Speaker 1: Counting them down. Ready to go twenty twenty five, Here
Speaker 1: we come carry Jeff Walker in for Bill Cunningham, in
Speaker 1: for Willie on the Bill Cunningham Show on this New
Speaker 1: Year's Eve. It is a pleasure to be with you
Speaker 1: and to spend the waning moments of twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: with you. And I've got to agree with ken Brew,
Speaker 1: who is just done talking about the ridiculousness of the
Speaker 1: list that ABC News put out about the most important
Speaker 1: impactful events of the year that was twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: If you do not mention the assassination attempts on Donald J. Trump,
Speaker 1: you're not covering the news and you're out of touch,
Speaker 1: just like Kamala Harris and the Democrat Party, of which
Speaker 1: most of mainstream media, as we all know, is an
Speaker 1: arm of that party. And it's about time we cut
Speaker 1: the arm off when it comes to objectively reporting the facts.
Speaker 1: The Menendez brothers a second chance at life, that was
Speaker 1: one of their big stories. And what else the Alec
Speaker 1: Baldwin trial. As if the year long persecution and prosecution
Speaker 1: of Donald Trump just to keep him off the ballot,
Speaker 1: I don't think that was on it. They might have
Speaker 1: mentioned he was a convicted felon. That would be ABC News.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I'm just an aside there from what ken
Speaker 1: Brew was just talking about before the News at noon
Speaker 1: in our first half hour. Another radio guy. I love
Speaker 1: radio guys. He is a national political analyst and host
Speaker 1: of a syndicated radio show called The Truth with John Gordon.
Speaker 1: He's a graduate at Mercer University Law School in Georgia,
Speaker 1: business owner, entrepreneur, and worked as a reporter and making
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. He ran as a Republican candidate to be
Speaker 1: George's Attorney General in twenty twenty two. Too endorsed by
Speaker 1: the president elect or the candidate then, I guess Donald Trump?
Speaker 1: Did Trump ever actually stop running? The last chapter of
Speaker 1: a Great American Story was written this past week with
Speaker 1: the passing of Jimmy Carter at the age of one hundred.
Speaker 1: John actually was acquainted with the former president, the peanut
Speaker 1: farmer from Plains and man him at the age of fourteen.
Speaker 1: We'll find out about that and a lot more as
Speaker 1: we welcome John Gordon to the show. John, how are you.
Speaker 2: I'm great, Thank you, Happy New Year, and thanks for
Speaker 2: having me on. Like the things that you said and
Speaker 2: the lead in up to this. You know, there's a
Speaker 2: simple solution for ABC, just stop watching turn it off.
Speaker 1: There's no question about that. And a lot of people
Speaker 1: have you saw the precipitous almost death nell drops for
Speaker 1: MSNBC and CNN when they find when their listeners found
Speaker 1: out they'd been lied to all this time that Joe
Speaker 1: Biden was competent, Which kind of makes me wonder if
Speaker 1: you're blaming the media for not knowing that Joe Biden
Speaker 1: was cognitively challenged and was not fit to be president
Speaker 1: of the United States, then you haven't been watching anything
Speaker 1: the last four years, much less mainstream media. Or to
Speaker 1: think that Kamala Harris was going to bring joy and
Speaker 1: unity at a new direction and generation to the Democrat
Speaker 1: Party when you're that inauthentic, I mean even a five
Speaker 1: year old can tell your phony. So it's been coming
Speaker 1: for a long time, John, the fall of these mainstream
Speaker 1: media legacy, basically their accomplices to Marxist globalist and the
Speaker 1: Democrat Party. And it's time that people are finally noticed
Speaker 1: and they are turning it off. Don't you think.
Speaker 2: They're still absolutely And Dan Bongina's got more listeners than CNN,
Speaker 2: and you know, you talk about MSNBC, I call it
Speaker 2: ms NBS. But Joe Scarborough and his lovely wife make
Speaker 2: the pilgrimage tomorrow Largo to kiss the Ring and talk
Speaker 2: about incompetence. So they had lost half their audience who
Speaker 2: are for Trump, and so then they come and kiss
Speaker 2: the Ring with Trump and they go back to New
Speaker 2: York and they lose another half of their audience who
Speaker 2: didn't feel betrayed that they've sold out Trump.
Speaker 3: So they just.
Speaker 4: Can't get it right, regardless of how well I mean,
Speaker 4: Joe and Mika prove that it's possible to be on
Speaker 4: a national TV morning show and have the have the
Speaker 4: nervous system of a jellyfish.
Speaker 1: I mean, they did talk about zero spine. Well, John,
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about about Jimmy, the
Speaker 1: peanut farmer who became president, who had some very very
Speaker 1: tumultuous things thrown at him, as all presidents wind up doing.
Speaker 1: Somewhere in their tour term. There is a softball that
Speaker 1: turns into a curveball and before you even know it,
Speaker 1: it is dropping at the plate of the oval office
Speaker 1: and you're swinging and missing. And Jimmy had a lot
Speaker 1: of that, but it wasn't all on Carter. I don't
Speaker 1: believe you say you met Jimmy Carter at the age
Speaker 1: of fourteen. I did.
Speaker 2: I was a page at the Georgia Senate the day
Speaker 2: that he was awarded the Outstanding Senator's Award, because he
Speaker 2: had the reputation or was known for being one of
Speaker 2: the only senators that actually read every single bill that
Speaker 2: he voted on, and so that was one of his strengths.
Speaker 2: But it was also one of his cursons when he
Speaker 2: went to the White House, because when the Iranians took
Speaker 2: our hostages at the US embassy in tront Jimmy Carter
Speaker 2: oversaw the mission to free the hostages, which resulted in
Speaker 2: two helicopters crashing in the desert and killing six or
Speaker 2: seven of our Special Force men on the helicopters. But
Speaker 2: you know, Trump would have delegated that to the generals
Speaker 2: and admirals to have overseen, and so it was a strength,
Speaker 2: but it was also a weakness of his. I had
Speaker 2: lunch one day with Donald Reagan, who was Reagan's Secretary
Speaker 2: of Treasury later chief of Staff. He was a smart, smart,
Speaker 2: tough bird, I'll tell you, and I asked him what
Speaker 2: it was like working for President Reagan, and he said
Speaker 2: it was the best job that he had ever had.
Speaker 2: And he said that not once did Reagan ever tell
Speaker 2: him what to do. And he related a story that
Speaker 2: he told Reagan one day, s you know, I've been
Speaker 2: Secretary of the Treasury for four years. You've never once
Speaker 2: called me and instructed me on anything. And Reagan responded, well, Don,
Speaker 2: I just figured you knew more about running the Treasury
Speaker 2: than I did. And there's the contrast.
Speaker 1: Reagan was the ultimate delegator for sure. He wasn't in
Speaker 1: the weeds on any thing unless he absolutely had to be.
Speaker 1: Uh have you seen the movie? Did you see the
Speaker 1: Reagan movie with Dennis Quaid?
Speaker 2: I have not got it, John, John, I.
Speaker 1: Highly recommend went uh, thank you a few months back.
Speaker 1: And Dennis, and since you knew some of the players
Speaker 1: like Don Reagan, you will notice many many people in
Speaker 1: that movie besides Ronald Reagan, which Dennis Quaid just plays
Speaker 1: to a t. It's great.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I look forward to watching it. So I
Speaker 2: had the pleasure of visiting the White House about six
Speaker 2: or eight weeks before Carter exited, and I visited the
Speaker 2: Oval Office, and it is an awe inspiring room, as
Speaker 2: you can imagine. A month after Carter returned from the
Speaker 2: White House, I visited him in Plains, Georgia, where I
Speaker 2: took him a near word processor for him and Roslin
Speaker 2: to write their memoirs on, and we got to spend
Speaker 2: the better part of the afternoon with him, And then
Speaker 2: we traveled to Miss Lilian's house, where President Carter set
Speaker 2: up his office and was going to write the memoirs.
Speaker 2: The contrast between seeing the Oval office eight weeks before,
Speaker 2: nine weeks before, and then visiting this dark, dingy must
Speaker 2: be room for the former president was just surreal. But
Speaker 2: Carter was upbeat, he was gracious. It seemed to be
Speaker 2: in nowhere to go anywhere, and it was a really
Speaker 2: delightful afternoon that I will always remember and cherish.
Speaker 1: In his passing, many people are, of course, focusing as
Speaker 1: they should, on the man himself, the entirety of his life,
Speaker 1: because it was so full and so much more than
Speaker 1: the presidency. You think that Jimmy Carter ever really wanted
Speaker 1: to be the president, especially after he got that prize.
Speaker 2: Oh, I very much think he wanted to be president.
Speaker 2: He certainly worked as hard as anybody in the modern
Speaker 2: era to become president. He lived in Iowa for two
Speaker 2: years before the primary and really ushered in a new
Speaker 2: way of running for president. And you may remember he
Speaker 2: always carried his suitcase and his hanging bag over his shoulder,
Speaker 2: and he really people related to him and it was intentionally.
Speaker 2: He was a smart and shrewd politician, but he inherited
Speaker 2: a handful. And I'm not giving him a buy. I mean,
Speaker 2: he could have made other choices, like we were talking
Speaker 2: about with the hostages. He could have let the generals
Speaker 2: and admirals oversee the mission instead of raising interest rates.
Speaker 2: For allowing the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates to
Speaker 2: twenty one percent. Oh, that's true percent whip inflation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean unemployment and the percentage that
Speaker 1: you're talking about the interest rates. We're in double digits
Speaker 1: for an unpressed part a great part of his presidency.
Speaker 2: And so we're kind of right back there right now,
Speaker 2: and we've got they've got options to policy makers. They
Speaker 2: can continue to use interest rates to regulate inflation, or
Speaker 2: they do what Musk and Ramsby, just cut out a
Speaker 2: third of the budget.
Speaker 1: Stop spending the money.
Speaker 2: Baby, do you immediately stop inflation and ensure this out
Speaker 2: of control federal government that we've got.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. What do you think about
Speaker 1: this fight that's brewing in the House of Representatives again
Speaker 1: with the speakership, especially at such a crucial time. If
Speaker 1: there is no speaker in the House of Representatives this weekend,
Speaker 1: how in the world do we get Donald J. Trump
Speaker 1: certified as the forty seventh president next Monday?
Speaker 2: That I don't know. I think there's probably a mechanism
Speaker 2: by which it can happen. I mean, Trump was elected
Speaker 2: by the largest margin of any Republican president and the
Speaker 2: popular vote of the modern era at least, and swept
Speaker 2: the Electoral College. They cannot deny him certification of the presidency.
Speaker 2: So I think the question we need to be focused
Speaker 2: on is whether mc johnson is the right person for
Speaker 2: the job.
Speaker 4: I like him.
Speaker 2: I don't know him, but I like his persona. I
Speaker 2: respect the fact that he's a very devout Christian. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of very good things you can say about him.
Speaker 2: But he passed another continuing resolution and they are continuing
Speaker 2: to expand the national debt. When are the adults going
Speaker 2: to show up in the room. It's not sustainable and
Speaker 2: it's going to come crashing down around us at some
Speaker 2: point without notice, and it will be self induced. And
Speaker 2: that's my complaint. We need someone strong enough and smart
Speaker 2: enough that they can galvanize the members of Congress to
Speaker 2: stop the lunacy and get this budget under control.
Speaker 1: Listen, Nancy Pelosi had no problem pulling the Democrats together
Speaker 1: to pursue their agenda. And whether you like their agenda
Speaker 1: or not, you've got to give them credit. Every time
Speaker 1: it seems recently that the Republicans are in charge and
Speaker 1: they have a majority, it doesn't matter how how large
Speaker 1: or slim it is, they get absolutely zero done that
Speaker 1: they've promised on the campaign trail. This was a very
Speaker 1: clear message that the voters sent November. The nonsense has
Speaker 1: got to stop. We've got to get inflation down, we've
Speaker 1: got to get prices down, we've got to get our
Speaker 1: energy stocks back up and running at full speed. And
Speaker 1: none of this happens if you don't have a Congress
Speaker 1: that's competent to not only not just kick the can
Speaker 1: and piss pass continuing resolutions foudy and slipped there or so.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Everybody knows absolutely.
Speaker 2: I mean, I fervently believe that there is a deep state,
Speaker 2: that there's a shadow government. Certainly, I've written an article
Speaker 2: and op ed piece called the New State versus the
Speaker 2: Deep State and the special interest of got a stranglehold
Speaker 2: on our politicians and our government. I suspect that it
Speaker 2: is deeper than that, and that there is bribery and
Speaker 2: corruption and blackmail that is taking place. I've had people
Speaker 2: within the government and people that are high up in
Speaker 2: the national media tell me that they know factually that
Speaker 2: those things are the case. And I just wonder who
Speaker 2: the puppet master is, who is controlling this and to
Speaker 2: what end, because it seems like if they want to
Speaker 2: destroy our country, that this is a perfect way to
Speaker 2: go about it.
Speaker 1: Well, certainly, and a lot a lot less messy than
Speaker 1: just a full on blood bath and the takeover by
Speaker 1: the communist Chinese or whomever. And you look at the
Speaker 1: debt that we owe to China, and you look at
Speaker 1: our financial situation with thirty six and a half trillion
Speaker 1: dollars in debt as a country. You look at the
Speaker 1: divisiveiness of Congress and the games that they play, and
Speaker 1: I have to almost believe that it's the person who
Speaker 1: pulled the strings behind getting Obama in the office in
Speaker 1: the first place. Whomever that is.
Speaker 2: I almost have to agree with you. But do you
Speaker 2: talk about China. I worry about China. Christopher Ray says
Speaker 2: that China is the biggest threat that this country is
Speaker 2: faced with.
Speaker 1: Well, Christopher Ray says and does a lot of things
Speaker 1: that have proved to be not so. Never convinced me
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 2: I am no fan, but you know, even a blondeig
Speaker 2: will find an acorn. I think that on this point
Speaker 2: he is being truthful with us. We know there're ten
Speaker 2: thousand military age fit Chinese men that have come across
Speaker 2: the southern border. That doesn't happen by accident. No one
Speaker 2: leaves China without permission from the government.
Speaker 1: It's never happened. It's never happened before in the history
Speaker 1: of our country and immigration, except maybe when we were
Speaker 1: building the railroad and we were importing Chinese to help,
Speaker 1: you know, across that western passage.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent.
Speaker 2: And then you look at the amount of fentanol that
Speaker 2: is flowing floated across the southern border, and the fact
Speaker 2: that we've got spy balloons traversing our country, and Biden,
Speaker 2: the courageous leader that he is shoots it down over
Speaker 2: the Atlantic after the mission is complete. Oh he's the
Speaker 2: same guy that took three million from a CCP related company.
Speaker 2: So I think we've got Trump's got his hands full,
Speaker 2: and he has assembled an army of fighters and warriors.
Speaker 2: I hope they have the resolve and the integrity to
Speaker 2: get it done.
Speaker 1: John Gordon, John Gordon, I believe they do too. We
Speaker 1: shall see, as Trump is famous for saying, well, we'll
Speaker 1: see John Gordon in the last and I've got less
Speaker 1: than sixty seconds here right at that point, give me
Speaker 1: a quick eulogy for Jimmy Carter as we close out.
Speaker 2: I think Jimmy Carter was probably the most ethical moral
Speaker 2: present of my lifetime. I think that he was a
Speaker 2: tremendous person post presidency, and I also had the pleasure
Speaker 2: of knowing and working with his wife in the mental
Speaker 2: health field, where I volunteered for thirty years in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: She was a wonderful, genuine human being. They will be missed,
Speaker 2: and they're an inspiration. They should be an inspiration for
Speaker 2: every listener here today on how to live your life.
Speaker 2: They gave to others and took very little for themselves.
Speaker 1: That's uh, I don't know if you can say anything
Speaker 1: better about Anyboddy John Gordon, thank you so much, and
Speaker 1: I hope we have the chance to chat again. It's fun.
Speaker 2: I would look forward to that. Thank you so much,
Speaker 2: and Happy New.
Speaker 1: Year, Happy New Year as we continue. Kennethan Bramlewitz. I
Speaker 1: don't even know who he is. We'll find out together
Speaker 1: after the news break. Gary jeff Infer Willie on the
Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham Show on seven hundred w l W chick
Speaker 1: Tik Tik tik tik tik tick counting down the hour
Speaker 1: and the minutes and the seconds to twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: and what will the new year look like? Nobody knows,
Speaker 1: God knows. But that's about it. Here's a guy who
Speaker 1: thinks he has some ideas just based on what is
Speaker 1: happening right now in twenty twenty four. Kenneth Abramowitz is
Speaker 1: a national security threat analyst, author of the Multi Front War,
Speaker 1: Defending America from Political Islam, China, Russia, pandemics, and racial Strife.
Speaker 1: He left out lions and tigers and bears while he
Speaker 1: was at it. And we're talking not just about Israel,
Speaker 1: but of course about Western society itself. He is a
Speaker 1: founder of a website to save Western civilization actually from itself,
Speaker 1: in his words, Savethethwest dot com. And he is our
Speaker 1: guest now, Kennethan Bramowitz, Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show.
Speaker 1: It's Gary Jeffin for Willie today.
Speaker 3: Great to be with you.
Speaker 1: Oh fantastic to him here now before we get into
Speaker 1: the chaos that may lie ahead. In twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: You're also a managing general partner and co founder of
Speaker 1: MNGN Capital, which is a worldwide healthcare venture capital fund.
Speaker 1: You were at the Carlisle Group in New York focusing
Speaker 1: on the us biout opportunities in the healthcare industry. Just
Speaker 1: your thoughts on how the public views healthcare after the
Speaker 1: assassination of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson in New York
Speaker 1: and the ensuing arrest of the young man who was
Speaker 1: allegedly responsible for it, and some of that reaction where
Speaker 1: Luigi Mangioni is now some kind of folk hero in
Speaker 1: some of the public's eyes. Are you worried for other
Speaker 1: healthcare people, people involved in the healthcare industry being blamed
Speaker 1: and just just how did you view all of the
Speaker 1: all of that curious.
Speaker 3: Yes, people have a love love hate relationship with insurance companies.
Speaker 3: And when when you have a claim and it gets
Speaker 3: paid you you so to speak, love the insurance company
Speaker 3: because they pay for your heart surgery whatever. On the
Speaker 3: other hand, if you have some procedure that they give
Speaker 3: you a hard time with, they they they want you
Speaker 3: to go from your primary care doctor to your specialists.
Speaker 3: They want specialists to provide some report and and and
Speaker 3: and whatever it is gets delayed from month and people
Speaker 3: hate the insurance company. So, uh, it goes back and
Speaker 3: forth depending upon how people are treated. Uh. But the
Speaker 3: the insurance companies are are you know, you only have
Speaker 3: two choices. Either the insurance companies cover you or the
Speaker 3: government covers you. In companies, they're private companies, so you
Speaker 3: can complain, you can switch companies. You the hotline to
Speaker 3: call when you have a government insurance and they don't
Speaker 3: pay who you're going to call. So people don't understand
Speaker 3: they're much better off getting insurance through an insurance company
Speaker 3: than through an uncaring, bureaucratically run government.
Speaker 1: On that, do you believe that the passage of what
Speaker 1: I call the Unaffordable Careless Act, where Obamacare has made
Speaker 1: this even worse because of the mandates. Well, the.
Speaker 3: Obamacare is to take care of the people will fall
Speaker 3: through the cracks, and about ten percent of the people
Speaker 3: were falling through the cracks. So I don't blame I
Speaker 3: don't blame the government or Obama or future subsequent presence
Speaker 3: fulfilling those gaps. The trouble they ran into is they
Speaker 3: wanted to maintain community rating, which means high prices for everybody,
Speaker 3: including people who aren't sick. So you have a situation
Speaker 3: where a twenty five year old is paying the same
Speaker 3: premium who's not very sick, paying the same premium as
Speaker 3: a sixty year old, and so therefore the twenty five
Speaker 3: year old says, this is too expensive. I'm paying the
Speaker 3: side price they're forcing me to pay it. There's huge
Speaker 3: deductibles and co payments. I'm not getting very good health
Speaker 3: insurance coverage. I hate Obamacare. On that hand, someone who's
Speaker 3: sixty who says, oh, I stopped working, I'm using Obamacare
Speaker 3: to cover me till i'm sixty five for Medicare. Obamacare
Speaker 3: is wonderful because I couldn't have got health insurance otherwise
Speaker 3: I had all these pre existing illnesses. So it's again
Speaker 3: that love hate relationship. It depends who you are, and
Speaker 3: that determines how happy you're unhappy you are. But in general,
Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of health insurance companies, and I'm
Speaker 3: the big fan of competition because that's how you keep
Speaker 3: insurance companies honest, because you can walk with your feet
Speaker 3: a year later if you're not happy.
Speaker 1: Certainly, talking with Kenneth Abramowitz, author of The Multi Front War,
Speaker 1: Defending America from Political Islam, China, Russia, pandemics, and racial strife,
Speaker 1: seems like an awful lot on the plate for incoming
Speaker 1: President Donald J. Trump. Do you think he's up for
Speaker 1: the job, Kenneth.
Speaker 3: Oh, he's up to the job, but he's the multiplicity
Speaker 3: of challenges are huge. Is like an avalanche. Can you
Speaker 3: imagine walking into your office on your first day and
Speaker 3: there's eight hundred and seventy four thousand emails you know
Speaker 3: right there? You know, you go, well, what do you
Speaker 3: am I supposed to open? And then you say, let
Speaker 3: me see the mail and there's twenty four thousand, three
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy four. This is a mail. So it's
Speaker 3: a daunting task to be president, particularly after four years
Speaker 3: of total mismanagement. Of the government. And so he's got
Speaker 3: to fix four years of a mess. And I think
Speaker 3: he'll fix most of it in the next six months,
Speaker 3: which is also a mess, because you fix up a mess,
Speaker 3: it is a mess. And so yes, but he's up
Speaker 3: to the challenge. There are some issues that he doesn't
Speaker 3: quite understand. That's what I gather when I watch various
Speaker 3: youtubes of him. He's like ninety five percent wonderful, and
Speaker 3: then there's five percent issues that he needs help with.
Speaker 3: Hopefully his staff as he puts it together, will help
Speaker 3: him with that remaining five percent.
Speaker 1: Well, so far with the people he's picked, I believe
Speaker 1: he has chosen some very very smart, competent people who
Speaker 1: will give him those five percent of the answers. And
Speaker 1: like you said, you walk into a mess like that,
Speaker 1: you're going to make a mess cleaning up the mess.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like Donald Trump has to remodel America's kitchen.
Speaker 1: Now we're still going to be able to get food,
Speaker 1: but you're going to have to step around some things
Speaker 1: before the remodeling job, before the cabinets are all in
Speaker 1: and the backsplash is put up over the sink. Is
Speaker 1: that a good analogy or not?
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, very fine. Analogy, another way of saying it,
Speaker 3: and more policy detail is President Trump's campaign to become
Speaker 3: president I would call ninety five percent domestic issue oriented
Speaker 3: and five percent foreign policy oriented. Issue his first three
Speaker 3: months are going to be fifty and fifty. In other words,
Speaker 3: fifty percent domestic issues and fifty percent foreign policy issues.
Speaker 3: There's an expression, the enemies get to vote. Yeah, So
Speaker 3: even though you don't want to spend time on this
Speaker 3: country or that country, or this war or that battle
Speaker 3: or whatever it is, and you want to focus on
Speaker 3: tax cuts and you want to focus on the border,
Speaker 3: and you have your issues, that doesn't mean the enemy
Speaker 3: cares about you. And so he's going to end up
Speaker 3: spending much more time on foreign policy than he wants to.
Speaker 3: And and but that's the welcome to the realities of
Speaker 3: being a president surrounded by as you said, you su
Speaker 3: one of my favorite terms, surrounded by lions, tigers, and bears,
Speaker 3: to quote Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz. And so
Speaker 3: the lions, tigers, and bears get to vote. Even though
Speaker 3: you don't want to talk to them or engage with them,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what you think when they start attacking
Speaker 3: you and your friends. You don't have a choice, Kenneth.
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting though, how a lot of these
Speaker 1: foreign powers have suddenly changed their tunes or kind of
Speaker 1: bolstered themselves for the incoming Trump presidency because they know
Speaker 1: things are going to be much much different you served.
Speaker 1: The past twenty years, dictatorships have been gaining strength at
Speaker 1: the expense of democracies around the world. And you know
Speaker 1: the usual suspects here China, Russia, North Korea, Syria, and
Speaker 1: the Islamis in Iran, you know, all of those combining.
Speaker 1: But we have seen a surge of right thinking people
Speaker 1: take power in places like Argentina where they were on
Speaker 1: the Precipice, and some in Europe as well have kind
Speaker 1: of become more conservative and more right leaning recently, and
Speaker 1: much more I don't know, looking towards freedom for the people.
Speaker 1: I mean, there is a battle going on right now.
Speaker 1: Who's winning.
Speaker 3: Well, the dictatorships are winning. About half the people live
Speaker 3: in a dictatorship, half in a democracy. But the battle
Speaker 3: started to turn I hate to say this on October seventh,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, when Israel was attacked by Iran and
Speaker 3: its proxies and they proxially Kamas committed genocide against Israel
Speaker 3: and killed twelve hundred people. That was the low point
Speaker 3: of Western civilization in recent times. And starting October eighth,
Speaker 3: Israel started acting like a normal country again and basically
Speaker 3: it doesn't want to take any of this nonsense from
Speaker 3: these criminals. And starting October eighth, Israel started in the
Speaker 3: uptrend to save itself and the Middle East and Western civilization.
Speaker 3: Israel was joined on November fifth, of a month ago
Speaker 3: when the American public it became as mad as hell
Speaker 3: and didn't want to take this nonsense anymore. And now
Speaker 3: America is on the upswing of saving Western civilization officially
Speaker 3: starting on January twenty. So you have the Jews Israel,
Speaker 3: you have the Christians America finally about to get their
Speaker 3: act together. Hopefully that brings in other Christian countries in Europe,
Speaker 3: South America, as you mentioned, Argentina, Hungary, and for men's
Speaker 3: regime change. In all the Western democracies, they're all run
Speaker 3: by corrupt communists and the people, one by one are
Speaker 3: going to throw them out. And so I think the
Speaker 3: Christian world is not just going to roll over and die.
Speaker 3: I think, as I said, Israel's actions and then America's
Speaker 3: actions will save civilizations, save Western civilizations, saved the Christian world,
Speaker 3: and Christian world is two billion out of eight billion people,
Speaker 3: and the Christian world is the center of Western civilization,
Speaker 3: the center of democracy. And so I think we're about
Speaker 3: to be saved, even though we had to go to
Speaker 3: very difficult down cycles to get to where we are today.
Speaker 1: The Soviets told us back in the height of the
Speaker 1: Cold War, I mean before before it really was known
Speaker 1: as a Cold War, when there was a chance of
Speaker 1: it being a hot ward any moment, the Soviets Khrushchev
Speaker 1: said that we will bury you from within. You know,
Speaker 1: we'll take over basically without firing a shot. And they've
Speaker 1: been trying to do that to the United States of
Speaker 1: America and to Western civilization ever since, with the real
Speaker 1: threat coming from within. Is the bigger threat to America
Speaker 1: and Western civilization inside our own societies, inside our own countries,
Speaker 1: or is it the Islamists in Iran and the UN
Speaker 1: and the World Economic Forum? What is the greater threat?
Speaker 3: Well, everything's related to everything. So our outside enemies are
Speaker 3: not as kate by that, I mean the China, the
Speaker 3: countries you mentioned China, Russia, for the communist countries around,
Speaker 3: in particular for the insulamist countries, have declared war on us.
Speaker 3: You know, they're not as strong as we are physically
Speaker 3: in terms of fighting our army, air force, and maybe
Speaker 3: so therefore they try to undermine our culture, which is
Speaker 3: an indirect way to fight. And so the bad guys
Speaker 3: have been for the last fifty years have been destroying
Speaker 3: the cultural foundations of America. And they had special agents
Speaker 3: in America helping them accomplish this, and that was called
Speaker 3: the Democrat Party. I hate to say that, but as
Speaker 3: the Democrats they took over our outside enemies took over
Speaker 3: the Democrat Party, they started injecting their foreign nonsense propaganda,
Speaker 3: false narratives, communists false narratives, isn't a's false narratives, Globalist
Speaker 3: false narratives into our schools, into our libraries, into the television,
Speaker 3: into the radio. And that's what I call cultural war.
Speaker 3: So we're fighting a cultural war with our outside enemies
Speaker 3: as well as a physical war war with our outside enemy.
Speaker 3: So the point is you have to do both at
Speaker 3: the same time. You have to recognize you're in a
Speaker 3: state of war, and then you have to recognize that
Speaker 3: it's foreign and domestic, and then you have to have strategies. Well,
Speaker 3: this is what Trump's going to have to do. This
Speaker 3: is the mess that I was alluding to, is first
Speaker 3: recognizing you're in a state of war and then secondly
Speaker 3: fixing your abilities for outside engagement answer internal engagement.
Speaker 1: I have thought, and you know the passing of Jimmy Carter,
Speaker 1: President Carter. I have thought ever since it happened. When
Speaker 1: they took over our embassy in nineteen seventy nine and
Speaker 1: took American hostages, that was obviously an act of war
Speaker 1: by the Islamist and Iran. Why didn't we realize we
Speaker 1: were at war?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 1: Why didn't we act like we were at war? Because
Speaker 1: we just come out of this long engagement in Southeast
Speaker 1: Asia and nobody had an appetite for war. But that's
Speaker 1: sovereign soil. When you take over someone's embassy, as far
Speaker 1: as I know, isn't that correct? Why weren't we officially
Speaker 1: declaring war on Iran when that happened.
Speaker 3: Kenneth, Well, you just come to one of the cracks
Speaker 3: of the problems of democracies. Democracies want to feel good.
Speaker 3: People want to feel good. They want to do what
Speaker 3: normal people do. They They want jobs, the kids' houses, vacations.
Speaker 3: They don't want a president to say, oh, we just
Speaker 3: finished that war. We're in the next war. It's wartime now.
Speaker 3: They go, what you know, I don't feel like this anyway. Well,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter what you feel. The questions what are
Speaker 3: the enemies feel? And basically, our politicians let us down.
Speaker 1: That's that's what you That's what you were mentioning earlier. Uh,
Speaker 1: just because you don't want to deal with this, you
Speaker 1: still have to deal with it, you know.
Speaker 3: That's it. Right. So iron had to vote, and we failed.
Speaker 3: They declared war on us, and we said, oh, they're
Speaker 3: really joking. They don't really mean it. We're really nice people.
Speaker 3: They couldn't possibly wanted to clear war on us. And
Speaker 3: so for the last forty five years, we've allowed a
Speaker 3: run to get away with day with murder, so to speak.
Speaker 3: And President Trump is gonna have no choice but to
Speaker 3: confront the run in the next three months. And I
Speaker 3: think the Iran it'll end up being a key element
Speaker 3: of his presidency, even though he doesn't want it to be,
Speaker 3: because again, the enemy has a vote. But I think
Speaker 3: the days are numbered for the Iranian death Celts, and
Speaker 3: I think between American and Israel, this whole mess will
Speaker 3: be over within three four months.
Speaker 1: So do you just in a quick summation, Kenneth the Bramowitz,
Speaker 1: do you see twenty twenty five us guiding ourselves out
Speaker 1: of the chaos.
Speaker 3: Yes. Think of it as let's divide the year into
Speaker 3: who has all right, the first half is pure on
Speaker 3: adults are the chaos because Trump has to fix the
Speaker 3: chaos created by the last four years. All right, after
Speaker 3: he fixes the chaos, I look for a very prosperous,
Speaker 3: happy second half of the year when we become a
Speaker 3: normal country again and we don't have to and he
Speaker 3: cleans up the mess that's been handed to him.
Speaker 1: The book is The Multi Front War Defending America from
Speaker 1: Political Islam, China, Russia, pandemics, and racial strife. The author
Speaker 1: is Kenneth Abramowitz. Thank you so much, and Happy New Year.
Speaker 3: Kenneth, thank you very much, Happy New Year. Happy to
Speaker 3: be with you.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm a little bit more encouraged now. I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Up next, Mark Gober, we'll find out all about him gober,
Speaker 1: I said Gober Right after the news at one o'clock,
Speaker 1: Gary Jeffin for Willie This is the Bill Cunningham Show
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW. Hello and Happy New Year as
Speaker 1: we count down to twenty twenty five, Gary jam Walker,
Speaker 1: And for Bill Cunningham on The Bill Cunningham Show on
Speaker 1: this Tuesday, the thirty first of December, last day of
Speaker 1: the year. If you felt like you were living in
Speaker 1: an upside down universe for the last little while, and
Speaker 1: for me it's been certainly five or six years, going
Speaker 1: back to the COVID lockdowns and mandates and all of
Speaker 1: that garbage that we live through unnecessarily, this guy has
Speaker 1: probably written a book about it, if you feel like
Speaker 1: you're living in an upside down In fact, he's written
Speaker 1: seven upside down books, the latest one An End to
Speaker 1: the upside Down Cosmos, Rethinking the Big Bang, Heliocentrism, the
Speaker 1: Lights in the Sky, and where we live. Let's get
Speaker 1: right to it because we don't have a lot of time.
Speaker 1: Mark Gober, Welcome to the show and Happy New Year.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me in. Happy New
Speaker 5: Year to you too.
Speaker 1: You have a podcast that we can mention. What's the
Speaker 1: podcast name again, Mark, It's.
Speaker 5: Called Where Is My Mind? It's an eight episode series
Speaker 5: on Apple podcast.
Speaker 1: I could have actually benefited from that since I had
Speaker 1: to ask you where is my mind? It started with
Speaker 1: you started talking about the Flat Earth Society, which for years,
Speaker 1: in spite of all of the evidence, claimed that the
Speaker 1: Earth wasn't round, and then after seeing the twenty four
Speaker 1: hour art Antarctica's sun, Well, sometimes you're wrong. And this
Speaker 1: is all about change, challenging scientific consensus and what we
Speaker 1: think we know, and sometimes it's completely opposite of what
Speaker 1: we think we know.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, And what I try to do in the
Speaker 5: book and to the upside on cosmos, is look at
Speaker 5: the mainstream cosmology that we're presented with, which is very specific.
Speaker 5: There's a big bang thirteen point eight billion years ago.
Speaker 5: It started everything, and it led to Earth revolving around
Speaker 5: the Sun in a spherical shape, and there's lots of
Speaker 5: physics behind that. What I try to do in the
Speaker 5: book is show where there are holes in that model.
Speaker 5: And it's possible to show that a model is incorrect
Speaker 5: without actually knowing what the correct version is. So that's
Speaker 5: where I land that there are a lot of things
Speaker 5: that don't line up in physics and cosmology, but I
Speaker 5: don't know what the right answer is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So there are things that it's easier to say
Speaker 1: something is not true than to tell us what is
Speaker 1: actually true. Ninety six percent of the universe, according to scientists,
Speaker 1: unexplained dark matter and dark energy, and they admit that, no,
Speaker 1: there's no unifying theory of everything in physics. So I mean,
Speaker 1: why are we sold this bill of goods that I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just a theory. It's not been proven. I mean,
Speaker 1: what are they saying exactly Yeah.
Speaker 5: That's exactly right, because I hear some people counter some
Speaker 5: of the arguments I make and they say, well, mark
Speaker 5: the cosmology we have right now in the mainstream it works, well,
Speaker 5: we can explain so much, except like you mentioned, the
Speaker 5: fundamentals are completely broken. In order for mainstream physics to work.
Speaker 5: Ninety six percent is unknown called dark matter and dark energy.
Speaker 5: And according to an astrophysicist at the University of Bond
Speaker 5: in Germany, dark matter, which is a theoretical entity, has
Speaker 5: actually been falsified, which is a big problem for the
Speaker 5: theory of gravity, basically because dark matter is needed in
Speaker 5: order to prop up the way we view gravity. And
Speaker 5: then you also mention we don't have a unified theory
Speaker 5: of physics, meaning the two leading theories, which is Einstein's
Speaker 5: relativity and the other is quantum mechanics. These are big,
Speaker 5: big theories that dominate physics right now, and there's a
Speaker 5: lot of predictive ability of each of these theories independently.
Speaker 5: But when you bring them together metaphorically speaking, the equations
Speaker 5: blow up. They do not work together. So Mischio Kaku,
Speaker 5: who's a mainstream physicist, he says, we're off by a
Speaker 5: factor of ten to the one hundred and twentieth power.
Speaker 5: This is ten with one hundred and twenty zeros after it.
Speaker 5: That's how far off we are.
Speaker 1: Well here, things like scientists have come to a consensus
Speaker 1: that man made activity fossil fuels is causing climate change
Speaker 1: and global warming. Isn't a consensus the antithesis of actual science? Mark?
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 5: I mean consensus means that many people believe something to
Speaker 5: be true. But what if those many people are wrong?
Speaker 5: And that's why we don't hear that side of it
Speaker 5: too all too often?
Speaker 1: Right, you say that many pseudoscience conspiracy theories have come
Speaker 1: and gone over the years, but none have quite the
Speaker 1: staying power as the flat earth theory. Why is that?
Speaker 1: Do you think?
Speaker 5: Well, there are a number of observations that do not
Speaker 5: seem to work on the globe model, and that would
Speaker 5: work if Earth is somehow a topographical plane. Now this
Speaker 5: wouldn't prove that Earth is flat, but it would it
Speaker 5: would disprove the globe model. So I'll just give a
Speaker 5: few examples that I go through in more detail in
Speaker 5: the book. But there are examples of long distance observations
Speaker 5: or people see things that should be blocked by the
Speaker 5: spherical curvature of Earth if Earth has a radius value
Speaker 5: of roughly four thousand miles, which is what the model says,
Speaker 5: and yet these things are visible repeatedly. The counter to
Speaker 5: that is that the reason we can see those things,
Speaker 5: it would be like trying to see something that's around
Speaker 5: a bend. It would be blocked by the mass of
Speaker 5: the Earth. The reason we can see them is because
Speaker 5: of afraction that the light somehow bends. That's the counter argument.
Speaker 5: Another example I'll give you. It's called a celenelion eclipse.
Speaker 5: It's a type of lunar eclipse where Earth is and
Speaker 5: a lunar eclipse, the Earth is supposed to be causing
Speaker 5: the shadow on the Moon because the Earth is between
Speaker 5: the Sun and the moon. But The Celenelion eclipse is
Speaker 5: a type of lunar eclipse where you can see both
Speaker 5: the Sun and the eclipsed moon in the sky, which
Speaker 5: doesn't really make sense if Earth is supposed to be
Speaker 5: between those two objects, And the mainstream counter to it is, well,
Speaker 5: you're actually seeing a mirage. You're not actually seeing the
Speaker 5: sun in the eclipse moon. It's just refraction. So there
Speaker 5: are a number of examples like that where things off.
Speaker 1: You also wrote a book, and you wrote seven books
Speaker 1: in this upside Down series. Mark Gober is our guest
Speaker 1: an end to the upside down reset, the leftist vision
Speaker 1: for society under the Great Reset we've all heard about,
Speaker 1: and how it can fool carrying people into supporting harmful causes.
Speaker 1: Do you think that we've seen that, particularly with the
Speaker 1: climate change cult or how has that manifested this upside
Speaker 1: down reset that we were all warned about. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've been warning about what they called the Great Reset
Speaker 1: for quite a while because, as it says in the title,
Speaker 1: how it can fool caring people into supporting harmful causes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a really important topic and it was
Speaker 5: an announcement called the Great Reset in twenty twenty by
Speaker 5: Klaus Schwab of the World Economic Forum alongside then Prince Charles,
Speaker 5: So some very powerful people were talking about this. But
Speaker 5: like you mentioned, their initiative is really a rebranding of
Speaker 5: a philosophy that's geared towards centralizing power and using emergencies
Speaker 5: basically to take away rights. And the book that was
Speaker 5: written in twenty twenty it's called COVID nineteen The Great
Speaker 5: Reset by Klaus Schwab in one of his World Economic
Speaker 5: Forum colleagues. So it was all about how COVID nineteen
Speaker 5: would be an opportunity to create a new society basically,
Speaker 5: And as you mentioned, one of the core elements is
Speaker 5: around climate change, and in particular CO two human cause
Speaker 5: climate change, and that is potentially a long term issue,
Speaker 5: whereas COVID might come and go, the idea that climate
Speaker 5: change is an existential threat is something that could be
Speaker 5: weaponized by governments.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've talked to so many people who I
Speaker 1: respect scientifically that they have degrees and I don't who
Speaker 1: say that this is all folly. If you look at
Speaker 1: the actual data over the last you know, not just
Speaker 1: twenty years, but hundreds of years, and it's simply the
Speaker 1: models are that they throw out there to support this
Speaker 1: supposed consensus are they're shown to be drastically flawed. I mean,
Speaker 1: every five years of prediction that they've made doesn't come true,
Speaker 1: and they say, well, we were just off by a
Speaker 1: little bit when it never seems to come to pass,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So they just delay this
Speaker 1: crisis when their dire predictions don't occur, they just delay
Speaker 1: it and kick it down the road. Well, we know
Speaker 1: it's going to happen at some point, so we must
Speaker 1: do something drastic now. And it's all about global control
Speaker 1: and centralization, as you were talking about. Any other thoughts
Speaker 1: on that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well we're told to trust models, and repeatedly the
Speaker 5: models have been wrong, and in the book and then
Speaker 5: too the upside on reset icronical examples where they said
Speaker 5: something was going to happen, it didn't happen. In the seventies,
Speaker 5: they were talking about an ice age coming, and then
Speaker 5: it was global warming, and now it's climate change. So
Speaker 5: do the narrative keeps shifting and it speaks to a
Speaker 5: bigger issue, which is when people jump to a conclusion
Speaker 5: about what's causing something, whether it's climate change or any
Speaker 5: other thing, they jump to one reason for the cause
Speaker 5: when there are many other possibilities. And I don't think
Speaker 5: there's anyone who would argue that there are changes in
Speaker 5: the climate. The question is there are many factors involved.
Speaker 5: What's actually causing that? Is it human activity or are
Speaker 5: there many other factors that are playing a bigger role.
Speaker 1: As author of this latest book and end to the
Speaker 1: Upside Down Cosmos, do you think is there evidence to
Speaker 1: support that in fact, a big bang happened thirteen point
Speaker 1: eight billion years ago and that's how we all got here.
Speaker 1: What evidence is.
Speaker 3: Good?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great question. I think for us to
Speaker 5: believe that we know what happened so long ago in
Speaker 5: such a far away land seems like a bit of hubris.
Speaker 5: But there are many predictions made by this big Bang
Speaker 5: model that are not lining up. For example, in order
Speaker 5: for what's known as inflation, which is the expansion at
Speaker 5: the early part of the universe, allegedly they the scientists
Speaker 5: have had to make up a particle called an inflaton
Speaker 5: that would be what have been needed to create the inflation.
Speaker 5: The problem is, no one knows that that particle even exists,
Speaker 5: So there are all these kinds of plugs that seem
Speaker 5: to people seem to be putting in to try to
Speaker 5: uphold the model.
Speaker 1: Well, at the end of the title of the book,
Speaker 1: the Lights in the Sky and Where We Live, any
Speaker 1: kind of conclusions there on what's not true and what
Speaker 1: doesn't line.
Speaker 5: Up, Well, I'll just mention something that really blew my
Speaker 5: mind when I was researching is that mainstream scientists like
Speaker 5: Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawking, and others have said that when
Speaker 5: you look at the lights in the sky, just by
Speaker 5: those observations, we cannot tell whether Earth is at the
Speaker 5: center or if Earth is revolving around the Sun. And
Speaker 5: what's happened is is that scientists have had this bias
Speaker 5: towards saying that Earth is not occupying a special place,
Speaker 5: so they fit the observations into the idea that we
Speaker 5: revolve around the Sun, when there's a lot of evidence
Speaker 5: suggesting that maybe Earth is at the center, that we
Speaker 5: live in a central some kind of central place in
Speaker 5: the cosmos.
Speaker 1: Huh, is there anything you uncovered in your research that
Speaker 1: explains unidentified aerial phenomenon or a great question?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 5: I wrote a book on this called an End to
Speaker 5: Upside Down Contact, where I looked at the evidence that
Speaker 5: we are not alone and looked at it historically, both
Speaker 5: in terms of UFO aerial phenomena, but also in terms
Speaker 5: of phenomena of consciousness, like in a near death experience,
Speaker 5: people will encounter beings they report, but there are many
Speaker 5: examples throughout history of aerial phenomena, whether it's in the
Speaker 5: modern era but also way back historically.
Speaker 1: Well, Mark, this is fascinating stuff. And you know, for
Speaker 1: people who aren't into science, you've got six other books
Speaker 1: based on the upside down principle that you go into
Speaker 1: and explain with the research you've done. And I really
Speaker 1: really appreciate you taking time out on New Year's Eve
Speaker 1: to talk to me today. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: I've changed my mind on anything, but I don't know
Speaker 1: that I had any deeply held beliefs that I was
Speaker 1: going to, you know, fight to die on that hill
Speaker 1: about So maybe I'm easier to convince that I don't
Speaker 1: know everything.
Speaker 2: Well, neither do I.
Speaker 5: I think it's a good place to be.
Speaker 1: All Right, fantastic. What's the name of the podcast again, Mark.
Speaker 5: It's called Where's My Mind? It's on Apple Podcasts, Spotify
Speaker 5: and other podcast players.
Speaker 1: All Right, we need to get you on iHeartRadio too.
Speaker 1: Mark Gober, thank you so much. Happy New Year, my friend.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Happy New Year to you and your audience as well.
Speaker 1: All Right, we got Xavier basketball coming up in just moments,
Speaker 1: the pregame at one point thirty and the game tipping
Speaker 1: at two at the Cintas Center. For my part, I
Speaker 1: want to thank Bill Cunningham for allowing me to sit
Speaker 1: in this seat and talk in this this golden microphone
Speaker 1: of his second day. Enjoyed it, and I hope I
Speaker 1: haven't tarnish the reputation of the great American by doing that.
Speaker 1: And I wish you and yours a very happy new Year,
Speaker 1: looking forward to the celebration of new possibilities and throwing
Speaker 1: the old away like we do every three hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty six days or whatever it is. And with that,
Speaker 1: I'll be back with you on Saturday morning, the Saturday
Speaker 1: Morning Edition, the entire cast and crew hopefully surviving the holiday,
Speaker 1: and another nightcap is going on this evening. It's a
Speaker 1: best of show from my American History on the radio series,
Speaker 1: and I've got three great voices that I'm profiling tonight
Speaker 1: between nine and midnight to count it down. Who I've
Speaker 1: had the chance to interview over the last year or so,
Speaker 1: and they're kind of radio heroes of mine because I
Speaker 1: love this medium. Love you too. Happy New Year, Gary
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