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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasiko's I Am Dana Valley coming at

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you with my one, my only, my certified fantabulous co host,

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mister Grant Hughes. Welcome to the officially unofficial start of

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NBA trade season December fifteenth. So many players who signed

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contracts over the offseason can now be traded. That's when

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we're recording this. You'll be listening to this on December sixteenth,

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which is also the final day that players can be

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acquired unless you're using cap space, and also then be

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reaggregated by the trade deadline. So like the Warriors did

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last year with Dennis Shuter, if you acquire someone by

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December sixteenth, they can be reaggregated in any trade on

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trade deadline day. So big stuff. Naturally, we thought that

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this was a good time to have some sort of

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a draft, and so we are going to do our

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trade value draft, alternating picks. The first pick will be

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decided in real time for the first time ever on

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one of these drafts via I don't want to is

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it an outmoded mechanism that we should say, but it

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involves it involves patriotism for sure, Yes, I would argue, yeah, yeah,

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But first, before Grant explains to us how this whole

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process is gonna work, we do have to ask how

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are you feeling you look? I just want to say,

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you look at least ten to seventeen years younger than

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when I last saw you. Is there any secret behind that?

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Speaker 2: Uh? Just clean eating and you know, uh you know,

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uh sold my soul to the devil. Actually, thank you

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for asking. I can't bury the lead anymore because we

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were talking off Mike before this what we're gonna do.

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I'm doing well, I'm doing great because I have a

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breaking news for you. We're gonna draft players based on

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their I guess descending order of trade value price didn't

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I know, I'm just jumping in the explanation, but we

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have to get there before I explain what I'm holding

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and why I'm excited about it. Uh. So, we're just

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gonna pick back and forth players we think will yield

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the highest trade value. However, twist, if the player you

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picked does not get traded, the trade value you got

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from that player is zero, so you better factor in

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the likelihood that they're gonna be traded. So, because you

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stand to waste picks on guys that don't change teams

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and you won't get any value out of it, So

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there's a balancing act. This is a really important exercise,

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and the way we'll decide who gets to go first

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is with a coin flip. And Dan this I thought,

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first of all, you were impressed that I had loose

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change sitting around and I was. I still am Yeah,

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did not just have loose change. There was a Canadian

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dollar that was going to potentially be used, but this

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is America, so we're going with American currency.

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Speaker 1: Isn't Canada's and we just osmo.

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Speaker 2: Still working on it, still working on it. I told

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you this is a fifty cent piece. It's Dan, this

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is a silver dollar.

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Speaker 1: I just two x the.

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Speaker 2: Value of this podcast. Check that out. Do you know

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who that is a silver dollar?

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Speaker 1: I'm holding it up the inventor of crypto Yah.

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Speaker 2: I want to say Dwight Eisenhower, but I'm not super

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up on my presidential profiles. So anybody that knows who's

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on a silver dollar comment, I guess.

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Speaker 1: We could look it up, but we're not. We're not

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going to No.

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Speaker 2: We're engaging with the audience. Anything you want to add

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about the rules that I hastily got through so I

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could show the silver dollar on camera.

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Speaker 1: I did want to ask you what did you end up?

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And there's still the orders just jumbled in my mind.

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But did you find yourself well, I guess you don't

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want to reveal your draft strategy, But did you struggle

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as much as I did over the push and pull

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of do I want to be right that this player

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got traded? Do I want to actually talk about someone

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that I think has a ton of value with applausible

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path to actually being traded?

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Speaker 2: So I think yes, I did struggle with that. I

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think we're gonna this is gonna organically end up where

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it should because the payoff of taking players that we

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really want to talk about, how valuable they might be

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in a trade sense, is going to be so high

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that you will just have to pick them even if

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there's a twenty percent chance or less that they actually

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get moved, because that's going to win you the quote

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unquote win you the draft. So I think all those

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guys will be taken. We can definitely have like a

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lightning round at the end after our picks are made

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with like, why you know, it really burns me that

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this guy's still on the board, But here were the

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reasons it teams. Yeah, right, Patrick Williams know he was

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implied in my list of some guys have the value

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that's so high that they're going to get traded that

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we have to pick them. No, Yeah, it was hard.

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and those two tasks were impossible. There's so many names

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that you have to consider.

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Speaker 1: The two notes, I think. So we're going to do

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like a lottery. There will be fourteen picks, will alternate

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seven each and everyone's I'm sure they're waiting with just

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baited breath about this coin toss that's coming. And the

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other thing that I'd like to emphasize is plausibility. Fine,

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if you don't think a trade, Murphy is going to

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be traded, but he's been talked about enough. We're not

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just gonna sit here and pick Nikola Jokic or shake

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Gilgris Alexander, because, like Grant said at the top, I

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just want to make sure that we're melding those two ideas.

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Is it's not just about their actual trade value in

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a vacuum. It's there has to be a potential for

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them to be traded. Now, if I sat here and

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thought that the thunder really, you know, after that loss

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in the NBA Cup semi finals, is no longer the answer.

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It's time to rebuild. Maybe we pick Sue, but who knows?

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Speaker 2: No, I think, yeah, that's right. It's not just a

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free for all, like, okay, well it's it's we just

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we're not making an MVP list basically, which is what

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this would amount to if we were. If we were

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doing it just based on actual trade value, it's got

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to be someone whose name you've at least heard tangentially

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mentioned or like, which is almost you know, everyone in

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the league based on the economy that exists for trade speculation.

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But yeah, that's a good distinction to make. Should we

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flip this coin?

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Speaker 1: Let's flip this coin? And I think you need to

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show that it has two sides that you're not.

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Speaker 2: Not a This is not a two face situation. This

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is a then on the back, I think we have

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a liberty bell maybe uh and something behind it? Sweet?

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Should we do a coin podcast? What's the coin collector

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out there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? And the crossover with basketball? How do we do it?

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But if every NBA player were on a coin, who

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would be on the penny? Who would be on the nickel.

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Speaker 2: John, I can tell you this, John Stockton's on the dime, buddy.

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All right, that's enough of that. I'm gonna have you

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call it in the air. Are you ready? Yes, I

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feel like I'm gonna bang the mic trying to catch

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this thing. Tails. It is tails. I'm gonna lift my

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hand up and show it on the back of my

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palm with that liberty bell and whatever else that is.

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So I think that means you have the first pick.

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I should have let you have the option to defer,

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just so that way you have to make the decision.

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And this was all a big trick. But I think

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you probably have to get the first.

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Speaker 1: Pick, so I don't get the right to for her.

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I thought I would have that right.

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Speaker 2: Would you like the right to?

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Speaker 1: I would like the right, but I'm not going to

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exercise it because I am not a coward, and I

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am going to go with Giannis Attenta Kumpo as the

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number one pick. I think, look, he's the only top

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five player who might get traded, and I think that

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that has to count for something. What I think is

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tough here is you have to weigh two things of

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do you actually think there's a chance that he gets

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traded versus what are teams willing to give up for him?

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like for now has been what did The most reason

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Steinlein say is that the Rockets, the Thunder, and the

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Spurs are not willing to go all in on Giannis

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because they like what they have so far. I think

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with Okac, it's kind of well, yeah, no shit, like

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you like what you have, you might be the best

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team in NBA history. With the Spurs and the Rockets

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and even the Hawks, it's certainly more of a conversation.

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I think it's very easy for some people to sit

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here and say, you guys are stupid if you think

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the Spurs should give up Steph Castle for Giannis, I'm

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having I'm am I giving up both Dylan Harper and

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Steph Castle for you honest attend to compo? No, But

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am I having a conversation if it's one of them? Yeah?

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And I just I find it very tough that to

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believe that teams wouldn't go all in on a Yannis trade.

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And I think that's what I'm struggling with. And so

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I think if you look at the Buck situation, The

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risk here for me is they won't move him, that

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they're more likely to keep him. Let this leak into

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the off season. We saw follow up reporting from Sam A.

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Mak of The Athletic that they've been looking at Zach Lavine.

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a thirty year old guard making forty seven point five

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million dollars. Maybe are they more likely to do something

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in the short term to try and keep you, honest,

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to try and convince him to stay, to get to

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the off season when they could trade three first round

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picks make other moves. That's what I when I was

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thinking about what I take you, honest number one, which

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is why I almost wanted to defer. I'm going to

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take him because I just think even if he's not moved,

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I'll go down swinging because when he does get moved,

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and that's how this is going to end. I'm sorry,

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that's just how it's gonna end. I don't want him to.

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I like the idea of him finixed to his career

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in Milwaukee, just don't see it happening. I think that

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he is going to get a caps lock hall and

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maybe it's less than people think we did a whole

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podcast about is the star trade market changing? But this

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is like, this is the guy to where you're either

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if you're on the precipice of contention or even if

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you're far away from contention. He can put you over

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the hump, even if it's just for the next two

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three years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna say this, like I am confident in

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understanding probabilities. But like, if you think he's gonna go

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for five first round picks, but there's only a twenty

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percent chance of him going at all, then you're still

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expected value wise. That's one first rounder. And there really

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aren't that many guys that have a high likelihood of

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being traded in this crop that are like always definitely

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going to get a first right, like the vast majority

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of candidates. I think it's a weird market right now,

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and there's a lot of guys that might go for

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seconds or you're exchanging badmane or whatever. So he had

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to be the pick. I respect it. I probably would

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have taken him first also, but knowing that, like the

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smart decision is probably to wait. But like we got

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two months before the deadline, right, so, like you don't

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think the smart decision just the way.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm not saying it's I'm not saying it's the unwad.

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I don't think they should just trade him for whatever

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they could get right now, And these moves are always

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more complicated mid season. But do you see there being

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the potential for now? The calf strain, of course, is

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the variable in all this, But is there a chance

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that they're gonna get less or have a more finite

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field of suitors over the summer because he will be

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one year out from free agency, and that's all the

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time you have to convince him to stay. I'm not

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saying you still can't get a bunch for him, but

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doesn't it feel like if he sits there, and even

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if he's not forceful about it, and he has two

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teams on his list, it feels a lot less likely

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that one of the two teams that are not on

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his list are gonna come and bull you over with

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an offer that has I've seen Bucks fans think they're

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just gonna get five first, all the swaps and a

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young player. I don't think Milwaukee is. I think they're

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into it in the moment, but some of the packages

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that are being bandied about there. From Milwaukee's like fan perspective,

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I think it's gonna end up being a little light,

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and I wonder if you run the risk of it

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becoming even lighter, should you wait until the summer with

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I want to couch this by saying I'm probably just

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keeping him through the season anyway. From the Bucks, I'm

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just sort of devil's advocating this.

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Speaker 2: No, I think those are the Those are the dueling

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concerns you weigh. One is I was defaulting too. There'll

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just be more options in the summer, just because it's

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just I don't know, things are easier, you know where

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draft picks are actually gonna fall as opposed to like,

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you have more information theoretically there are more suitors, but

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you're weighing that against like well as a team. If

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you trade for him now you're getting like theoretically two

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cracks that like title runs right before the contract stuff

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becomes an issue, you wait till the summer, you get one,

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and it's you got to know that there's an extension

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in place. You've got to know, you've got his sign

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off all this other stuff. That's a real thing. So yeah,

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I don't know. Maybe I was too quick to say

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that it may it's smarter to wait. I still lean

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that way, but there's definitely an argument to be made that, like,

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you want two shots right if you're if you're Team X,

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as opposed to just the one that you might get

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over the summer. So he had to be the pick

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though it just the payoff has to justify it.

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Speaker 1: I think too that if the Spurs and the Hawks

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specifically because of the draft equity have they have, if

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they're just not about it, you might as well just wait,

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because if one of those teams flames out in the playoffs,

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like they might be able to talk themselves into we will,

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like because they're a team that you could see maybe

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Yanna is sticking with, or just Atlanta having that, sheer

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As said, I want to ask you before we go

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to your pick, what is more likely that the Bucks

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get more than three first round picks or I wanted

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the equivalent of four first round picks for you honest,

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or or that he gets moved before the season's over.

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Which which outcome would you be willing to bet they

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don't have to be disparate outcomes. But what do you

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think is more likely that Giannie gets moved mid season

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or that he gets the equivalent of four plus first

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round picks in value?

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Speaker 2: I mean, they don't feel like they're mutually exclusive to me, Okay,

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I I would say I'd say it is more likely

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the packages are tough because a lot of the suitors

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could use like actual players as opposed to picks as

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like the main assets in the deal. I'm gonna I

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still think it's more likely that he yields the equivalent

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of four firsts or more that that, just like I

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think it has to be the case.

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Speaker 1: Is it as simple as look at what Desmond bang

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got from the Magic I know they sent They sent

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out bad salary, which I think, yeah, we've talked.

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Speaker 2: About You've you turned me around on that a little bit,

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because you're sort of paying to offload other stuff in

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that deal. It might be for some for the right team,

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But the reason I hesitated was because, like, say it's

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the Spurs. Yeah, they could do the four first or

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whatever pick equivalents, but it's like if you're the if

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you're the Bucks, you're more interested. I assume in that

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team's young players than you are their picks, because how

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valuable are those picks one and two? Like they just

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have a lot like you Just you get Steph Castle,

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for example, that's that's worth like one point five. Just

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we don't know when they're coming or where they'll fall first,

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because you.

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Speaker 1: Know, if you get Dylan Harper, that might be the

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two and a half, right.

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Speaker 2: Like, that's that's the thing I think, So that that's

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that's what gives me pause. I just assume Milwaukee will

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be in a rebuild, so they're gonna prioritize picks. But

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but it's hard to say I would have taken you, honest,

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this is so for my pick, I think I have

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to kind of go with the same approach where you

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have to maximize the potential return while acknowledging the chance

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that like this guy just might not move. And so

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I think I have to take Anthony Davis. I don't

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think there's any real chance that the package for him

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will be more than like two thirds or half of

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what Yiannis gets. Uh, But I to me, it seems

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like the odds of him being traded are roughly similar.

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If you're Dallas I've fixated on this idea that with

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Nico Harrison gone, like you can just sort of approach

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the team building process with clear eyes again. And it's

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not like this is I have to I can't. This

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guy is the symbol of like my gambit for trading Luca,

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and if I trade him, then it's gonna look even

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worse because you'll get to do the like the trade

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Tree math of well, they traded Luca and they didn't

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even get anything Davis. They got this pick from the

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Lakers and some other stuff, and it looks even worse

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than getting Anthony Davis, I guess in some ways. So

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but with with sort of with I guess Patrick Dumont

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and the Committee of decision makers now, none of whom

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I think are gonna be nearly as married to justify

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the Luca trade by holding on to Davis longer than

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makes sense, It just seems easier to move him. I

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don't know if it's gonna happen, for several reasons, but

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not the least of which is Davis is now hurt again.

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But I don't know. He's to me, the biggest name

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that's semi available other than Yannis, and so I just

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kind of had to go there any if you had

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to guess just to talk about likelihood, because you won't

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get as much for Davis, age, years on the contract,

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all this other stuff relative to honest likelihood of being moved.

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Do you think Davis's is higher or lower than Yannis

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and we're talking before this year's deadline.

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Speaker 1: I think it's lower just because the injuries, lower value,

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lower likelihood of being traded. I just because doesn't it

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seem if you're Dallas that there's less of a like

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how much worse of the offer is gonna get if

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you're or rather, if you're looking at Anthony Davis right now,

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it kind of feels like his value is being talked

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about closer to its nay dear than it is for

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Yiannis to where if you wait on Ah, I don't

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know like Gianni's having the leverage if he just asked

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for out, Milwaukee might have to do it to where

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Dallas is sort of on a completely different timeline now

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and he's not a franchise icon for them. It feels

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like they might sit and hope that a team gets

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desperate over the UN talks themselves and oh, Anthony Davis

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closed the season strong, and this will be the move

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that puts us over the top. Maybe it's also just

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because we've talked about Giannis more than any other player though,

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that I look at it and say, oh, yeah, he's

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just certainly gonna be one of the more likely ones

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to be moved. But you're dealing with a top five player.

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The bar should be so high that if some of

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these teams are saying we're not going all in right now,

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the field might be wider for Anthony Davis because the

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MAVs are willing to accept less. But I think the

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problem with Davis for me is twofold one. I don't

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just look at a team and say, oh, this is

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the team that will go after Anthony Davis, and I

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can do that a lot with Gianni's. The other thing, too,

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is if you're going after Anthony Davis, why are you

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not going after Yannis? If you think you have the

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assets to get in the Anthony Davis discussion, or you're

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not trying to wait and maybe see how the like

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the honest situation plays out.

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Speaker 2: Here's why I think one is and and this is

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why this pick for me really does have to rest

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on higher likelihood of him moving one is, if you're

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a team that's interested in Davis, it might be because

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you don't have the assets for you. Honest, it's gonna

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cost you less to get Anthony Davis, I think. And

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so that in theory just opens up the market for

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there to be more teams interested. Maybe this is and secondly,

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maybe this is a galaxy brain kind of way to

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look at it. But if you trade for Yannis, isn't

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he someone like when we talked about Harden this way

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when we recently, But like Yannis kind of reorganizes your

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whole deal. Like you you have to build a certain

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type of team. I don't feel like it's that easy

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now with the Spurs because of women Yama. I think

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maybe this isn't gonna apply. But it's not that easy

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to build. You can't just throw Yanis into any mix

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and it's gonna make sense. You have to have the spacing,

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you have to have the just there's other stuff. With Davis.

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It's like he's just a really good center, assuming you

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can convince him that he is a center.

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Speaker 1: Well it's just.

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Speaker 2: Tricky, but you know, does that make sense? Like Davis

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doesn't really disrupt anything if he's replacing just center X,

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whereas putting Giannis on your team and paying more to

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get him just requires the kind of overhaul that is

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part of the reason it's not that easy to come

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up with. Like this is obviously where Yannis will go. Davis,

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you could throw him. You could throw him on any

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of twenty five teams. You know what's lower than that

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because rebuilders won't want him, but say fifteen teams that

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have realistic top six in their conference expectations, and like,

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he's not gonna wreck anything you're doing. In theory, he's

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purely additive as long as he's healthy. So maybe that's

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that's the case I'd make for taking him.

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Speaker 1: Second, the I think the most persuasive part of that

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for me was he will cost substantially less than Yannis.

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And so if you're looking for kind of a big name,

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I just what is are there any teams that you

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really like him for I've seen him linked. I will

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say the team I've seen a most frequently linked to

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in speculation and rumors is Detroit And I cannot emphasize

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enough how much I hate that.

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Speaker 2: That I don't understand, like, because you could make.

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Speaker 1: There's no way Detroit is thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so either, because you have Duran and

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Durren's like, he's not Anthony Davis, but man, he's been

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good and he's healthy.

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Speaker 1: Steward too, It's just like what we're great? Like, why

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why are you upgrading what is maybe your deepest position.

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Speaker 2: That's the bigger issue with Detroit specifically, is like you

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don't need another big guy. You need another secondary creator

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and a two way guy that can shoot and defend.

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Like that's center is low on the list of Detroit needs. Yeah, okay,

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I'm curious where you're gonna go because I thought those

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two I expected to be the first two picks.

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Speaker 1: I actually so, I will let you know pick number

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three would have had I had the second pick, this

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person would have gone second for me. It wouldn't have

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been Anthony Davis.

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Speaker 2: If that's that's hurtful, I don't know why you have

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to just I'm.

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Speaker 1: Trying to build up, build up suspense too. I'm taking

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a risk here and going with Trey Murphy at number three.

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The contract. When you look at he's in the first

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year of that extension of four years and one hundred

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and twelve point five million dollars. He's never gonna make

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even seventeen percent of the salary cap you're talking about

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with Anthony Davis. This player can come in and doesn't

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gum up anything. He's just augmenting everything that you do

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on the court. Between that, the age, the contract, I

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think while the Pelicans do not have to move him,

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and so that lack of urgency, and he is young

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enough to where they could say no, let's move forward.

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Jeremiah Fears, Trey Murphy, Derek Queen, maybe even Herb Jones,

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I think they can take that stance. I also think

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we're at the point where you and I have talked

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a lot about how in this new environment, not just

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financially looking at the Aprons, but the way that teams

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want to play, the way that they want to defend,

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the injuries that we are increasingly dealing with. Depth is

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so important, and that there might be teams that are

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willing to invest more, not more, but star type packages

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in non stars almost Trey Murphy is like he is,

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He's the quintessential example of that guy, is he not

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like if you wanted to bring him in for that

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like you maybe like Derek White would be another name

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that falls into a similar bucket. So I look at

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that and say, I could just see a team coming

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in here and being like, here is three first round

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picks for Trey Murphy and talking themselves into doing that.

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Maybe one of those two isn't really that good. There's

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only limited upside. And then the Pelicans are just at

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a point to where, no, they don't have to trade him,

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but you are veering in a direction to where by

476
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the time you are hoping to be a contender again,

477
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,920
Trey Murphy's not going to be on this bargain bin

478
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,480
of a deal. He'd be closer to thirty. So I

479
00:22:38,519 --> 00:22:40,759
think that it would make them think and they're just

480
00:22:41,319 --> 00:22:43,759
I think there'd be more teams if it's a Detroit,

481
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,680
if it's a I mean, like even if it's a Houston,

482
00:22:47,279 --> 00:22:49,680
maybe even the Warriors, Like they would come in and

483
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,200
put best young assets, best first round picks on the table.

484
00:22:53,599 --> 00:22:57,000
And I honestly my prediction would be I think Trey

485
00:22:57,079 --> 00:22:59,160
Murphy is more likely to get moved than either Giannis

486
00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:01,559
or Anthony David. I just made the upside bet with

487
00:23:01,599 --> 00:23:02,519
Giannis his return.

488
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,279
Speaker 2: I think so too, But I think so too. In

489
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,920
the what I hesitate with is like then they shouldn't

490
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,200
trade him, like they's just what I think. I think, like,

491
00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:15,720
unless you can get the type of package you're talking about,

492
00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:19,079
the Pelicans just shouldn't trade him. Uh. But yeah, that's

493
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,440
a good pick. So I'm gonna I'm gonna jump to

494
00:23:22,519 --> 00:23:25,640
mine because I feel like these guys should be viewed

495
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,279
somewhat similarly, except I think if this guy gets traded,

496
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,480
and it's probably a bigger if than Murphy, I'm committing

497
00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:35,319
now to guys that just might not get traded and

498
00:23:35,319 --> 00:23:38,319
shooting to hit one and just win the asset war

499
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,640
that way, I'm gonna take Lori Markinen. I think it's

500
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,079
I don't know what percentage chance I would put on

501
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,440
him being traded, because we've heard I mean, Sarah Todd

502
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,720
when you talk to her over the summer basically just

503
00:23:51,799 --> 00:23:54,000
kind of laid out that like, Marketon likes it there

504
00:23:54,079 --> 00:23:57,640
and he values like family stability and hasn't been pushing

505
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,079
for a move, and the Jazz have said they're not

506
00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:04,640
not really interested. I just still think there's so much

507
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,839
logic to moving him, much of which could be transferred

508
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,400
over from the Murphy case, where it's like, so let's

509
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,759
talk about Detroit here now, like, Okay, that's a guy

510
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,559
that makes a ton of sense there that he marketing

511
00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:18,200
would make a ton of sense in Golden State, and

512
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,279
make a ton of sense in just like name the

513
00:24:20,319 --> 00:24:25,480
team right, Miami, any any like, literally any place could

514
00:24:25,599 --> 00:24:28,799
use a four that you can treat like just a

515
00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:35,079
five alarm fire shooting guard offensively. So I think market

516
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,960
In is better than Murphy. He makes more money, so

517
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,359
that is prohibitive, I think in a vacuum, though contract

518
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,079
included in all, which is maybe not in a vacuum,

519
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,599
but let's just take so full picture. I think market

520
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,319
In is more valuable than Murphy, and that to me

521
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,880
offsets the slightly lower likelihood that he would be moved

522
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,799
that I think Murphy is more likely to go.

523
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: You find Larry Marketing more valuable than Murphy despite making

524
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,039
basically double.

525
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,799
Speaker 2: I think he's just I think he's a way better player.

526
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:07,759
I think like he's he's been an All Star, he's

527
00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:11,720
playing better than that now. I think he's just one

528
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,839
of the best offensive players in the sport. He's paid

529
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,960
like it, I think you could. I think if he's

530
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,640
gonna be this guy, I think he's properly paid. Market

531
00:25:19,759 --> 00:25:22,960
it is, and I think if you're looking for a

532
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,640
pretty big swing, like I just keep coming back to Detroit.

533
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,960
But any team that's in that position where hey, we're

534
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,559
really good, we have assets, Like what if he's San Antonio,

535
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,839
what's not to like about Marketing on San Antonio for example?

536
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,079
I just I have to go with the upside of

537
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,039
the value. I think, like he's someone I think the

538
00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:47,279
floor should be three firsts if it's him and we're

539
00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:48,599
talking about trying to get there.

540
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,279
Speaker 1: For Murphy, I think what's interesting and why I would

541
00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:55,240
have been hesitant to select him this high is I

542
00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:59,640
think because Utah should ask for that much. I think

543
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,279
there's to be more trepidation behind giving up that much

544
00:26:02,319 --> 00:26:04,799
for him, which could delay for sure the process. But

545
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,359
I do think you're I guess, when you're just looking

546
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,599
at where the Jazz are versus where the Pelicans are.

547
00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:12,759
And I mean Marketing's a little older than Murphy, I

548
00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:15,799
guess Marketing does feel more likely to put I just

549
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,519
I still think that teams might look at Marketing's deal.

550
00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:22,000
This season has been vindication for Marketing for sure. I

551
00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:24,599
just wonder if the contract ends up being just this

552
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:28,599
massive hurdle to whereas it's so hard to do this

553
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:31,240
mid season, and it is if again, if you're giving

554
00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:34,279
up three or four first round picks for Lowry marketing,

555
00:26:35,319 --> 00:26:39,359
why are you not aiming for Yannis in that instance

556
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,240
or waiting for the offseason to see if you're offered

557
00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:44,319
kid best. Yes, I mean that's what I and like

558
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,359
even some of the teams that have been linked with marketing,

559
00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:49,720
I don't Detroit that's everyone's favorite for Lowry. Are they

560
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,559
a team that you even envision giving up that many

561
00:26:51,559 --> 00:26:52,720
first round picks this season?

562
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,839
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know that that might be like that.

563
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,920
That's the thing to me. I think there if there's

564
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,359
a team and there are a lot one of them

565
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,519
that could at least start down the path of having

566
00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:07,039
this conversation where they're like, we think that adding market

567
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,240
In puts us on another level. And I think you

568
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,519
would be right to think that, assuming he stays healthy

569
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,839
and so it's kind of an it only takes one

570
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:18,440
and you know that Utah, because of the ages, will

571
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,400
drive a really hard bargain, which again cuts both ways,

572
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,359
because it's like a team might just get sticker shock

573
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,480
and say we can't do that. I think if he

574
00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:29,240
does get traded, the package is gonna be substantial, and

575
00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:31,640
I'm just going I'm going for like hitting on one

576
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,920
of these guys now because I just need I need

577
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,599
the maximum. Do we mention up front? Like the way

578
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,799
I'm viewing this at least is like you win the draft,

579
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,680
so to speak, by based on like the total number

580
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:48,359
of assets returned on all the guys that you've picked.

581
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:50,359
So that's why it's risky to take guys that might

582
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,200
not be picked, because that might be a zero. So

583
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,000
I'm just going for the all or nothing so far

584
00:27:54,039 --> 00:27:55,039
with my first two.

585
00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: The real all or nothing, which you'd be free to

586
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,160
approach it this way, but I don't. Let's you use

587
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,000
Jalen Johnson or Dylan Harper as an example, because you

588
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,039
could say, oh, they help you get Yannis. Those guys

589
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:07,960
aren't being moved unless it's four Yiannis. So it's like

590
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,720
those are not players on specifically whatever be no oh

591
00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:13,480
yeah about Steph Castle here, because they're only gonna be

592
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,759
available in a certain like like very specific set of

593
00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:19,000
circumstances if at all.

594
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a weird class of player, right, because it's like,

595
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,359
if so, can you say that the return for Steph

596
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,559
Castle is Yannis in that hypothetical and therefore.

597
00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:29,759
Speaker 1: Like when there's other movements hard to be Yeah.

598
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,519
Speaker 2: That's really yeah. Yeah, we're kind of thinking of it

599
00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:33,759
more as like this one guy gets you all this

600
00:28:33,839 --> 00:28:37,000
other stuff. But that's an interesting slant on it. Maybe

601
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,319
maybe that's a different podcast where it's like what do

602
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,039
you need? What asset do you have to have to

603
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,480
get Yannis? Like, I don't know that. That might be

604
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,240
two in the weeds.

605
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,759
Speaker 1: Pick number five is me. I'm gonna take another. Maybe

606
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,799
this will be journeying the beaten path. I'm gonna say

607
00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:56,640
Derek White. I think he had a rough start to

608
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,559
the season, is even out a little bit of late.

609
00:28:58,599 --> 00:29:01,160
The Celtics are so good that you don't envision them

610
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,519
being sellers at the deadline. I do still kind of

611
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:07,799
think that they're going to play a very long haul

612
00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:09,880
approach here. I think that they're going to be a

613
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,200
team that, by the eve the draft is gonna want

614
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,920
to duck attacks. Maybe they don't do it exactly at

615
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,160
the deadline, but Derek White's probably someone where you can

616
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,279
offload him, get a bunch of not a bunch, but

617
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:21,599
some first oud equity, maybe a prospect, save some money

618
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,680
in the process make it easier for yourself to duckt

619
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,119
the tax as part of another move, if not right

620
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,240
at the deadline. And I also just wonder if because

621
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:32,279
of the way he started the season, looking at his age,

622
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,920
looking at the additional years left on his contract basically

623
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,359
three years and one hundred right after this season for him,

624
00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:39,880
I wonder if they kind of look at it and say,

625
00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:42,400
we need to get out in front of this and

626
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,359
we're going to reorient the roster around. We found some

627
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,279
of these guys Jordan Walls, who apparently just defend five positions,

628
00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:51,119
like just this guy right there, but we're going to

629
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,440
reorient around Jason Tatum and Jayalen Brown. That's the future

630
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,799
of these assets we get back. I don't feel great

631
00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:57,839
about this pick either, because I think that he's another

632
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,200
guy who fits everywhere, and it's someone Houston could be

633
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,839
in on this. Even though they're rolling. You look at

634
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:07,440
the Warriors, would they give up Pods and Kaminga and

635
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,039
all the first round picks that they could like they

636
00:30:09,079 --> 00:30:11,519
would be a team that'd be interested. I just wonder

637
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:14,640
if Boston, being so much better than any of us expected,

638
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,160
throws a wrench in those plans. I think Brad Stevens

639
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,119
as angry as some Celtics fans are. And I've kind

640
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,759
of enjoyed watching this out. I like being surprised. I

641
00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:26,480
smashed their under I said they were gonna be bad

642
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,759
on purpose. And I also don't know what else they

643
00:30:28,759 --> 00:30:32,079
were supposed to do, by the way it was what honestly,

644
00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:33,640
what else were they supposed to do to get worse?

645
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,119
Maybe trade Derek White over the offseason. But look at

646
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,599
the guys that are winning them games aside from Jalen Brown,

647
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,599
like Kita is helping Josh might not is helping Jordan Wallash.

648
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,559
You can't sit here and tell me you were predicting

649
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:46,680
or not you specifically that you were predicting these guys

650
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,200
would help you drive. Look, the real surprise is that

651
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:52,319
Chris Bouchet is not helping. I'm as shocked as anybody

652
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,440
about that. So I still think that they're gonna end

653
00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:58,000
up taking a longer term view at the deadline. And

654
00:30:58,039 --> 00:31:02,079
also if Jannist doesn't get moved. And these are different positions,

655
00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:04,680
but let's use Larry market In and Trey Murphy some

656
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,559
of these fringe wing types. Is there a chance going

657
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:10,359
through all these picks that we just went through. Couldn't

658
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,680
There isn't there a non zero chance that Derek White

659
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,920
could be the single most talented player traded at the

660
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:16,880
at the deadline.

661
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: I would say yes, except we're so far out that

662
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,839
there's still time for I mean, we haven't even got

663
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,079
into like some of the more speculative picks. There is

664
00:31:29,119 --> 00:31:33,279
a chance. But like I feel like, based on past deadlines,

665
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:37,000
if Derek White is the best player that moves, like,

666
00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:40,160
wouldn't that raid as one of the least inspiring trade

667
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,519
deadlines in a long time? I love I love Derek

668
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:44,599
Who who is.

669
00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: The best player moved it last year's trade deadline? Uh?

670
00:31:48,039 --> 00:31:51,839
Speaker 2: Jimmy Butler? Who else moved? Yeah?

671
00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: I guess all right, So if you're about would it

672
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,839
be I guess Jimmy Butler would be objectively a bigger

673
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,440
name get traded. That's galaxy.

674
00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 2: But I don't know who else. So maybe I'm like

675
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,000
refuting my own point by having nobody after him. I'm

676
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,960
sure I'm forgetting somebody. I Okay, I like that pick

677
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,119
a lot that's like right in the middle of safe enough,

678
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,880
like decent chance he gets moved and like guaranteed first

679
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,839
at least for him he's getting.

680
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've I have seen a lot of comments wondering, like, well,

681
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:22,079
if we gave up one pick, could be if he

682
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:25,200
doesn't get If you're only getting one first for Derek White,

683
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,119
you're not moving Derek White. I would say at least

684
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:29,720
two feels like a bare minimum Boston.

685
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: From Boston's perspective, right, Like you gotta get cause he's

686
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,640
he makes perfect just like you're talking about he makes

687
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,720
sense everywhere. He makes perfect sense on a I mean,

688
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:39,319
he's already we've seen prove of concept one like he's

689
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:42,400
a hugely valuable player on a title winner, like once

690
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,440
Tatum's healthy, Like why wouldn't you just trust that to work? Again,

691
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,720
if you're Boston, it would just be you'd have to

692
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,119
be bowled over, which maybe maybe they will. All Right,

693
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,359
I got a couple different directions I could go here

694
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,759
do I I feel like my first two picks are

695
00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:59,599
so risky. I'm tempted to just take someone I'm certain

696
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,759
will be traded and just have to eat the fact

697
00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:04,359
that it's like a second rounder and bad money coming. Oh.

698
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,519
Speaker 1: I know I know where this is at, but.

699
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: I feel like I'll leave him on the board and

700
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:14,680
uh man, I wonder do you You don't have to

701
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,160
tell me, but do you have someone in mind that

702
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,680
you're like, I'm definitely taking this person next or you

703
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,240
where I'm at where I can't decide between like five people.

704
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: Uh no, I'm closer to where you were at. I

705
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,079
can tell you that I was not considering taking who

706
00:33:26,079 --> 00:33:27,599
you alluded to. Just now.

707
00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: Just lock it in. Though he's definitely gonna it's a heat.

708
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,920
I spoiled it. It's gonna he's gonna give you something

709
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,240
because he's definitely getting traded. So to avoid a shutout,

710
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:42,480
maybe I just take him now. Okay, you know what

711
00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:44,079
I am gonna do it. I think this is the

712
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:46,880
single most likely to be traded player in the entire league,

713
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,720
and it is Jonathan Minga and.

714
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: He was not eligible to be traded as December fifth.

715
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: No, but well that's fine.

716
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: We're not just confined to I was just clarifying that

717
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,319
the Warriors they have to gut this out for.

718
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: Until January fifteenth, and then he can move. That's the

719
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,119
can I double down and say, like, if he's on

720
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,759
the team past January seventeenth, I'll just be stunned, Like

721
00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:09,559
there's no there's no chance you.

722
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 1: Think it's gonna be that quick.

723
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:14,159
Speaker 2: I I they've got it lined up right now, I

724
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:18,480
would I would suspect and are just just counting the

725
00:34:18,519 --> 00:34:22,639
minutes basically, both both sides. I don't know what they're

726
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,320
gonna get for him that that we We've like had

727
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,559
conversations about, like how big of a question this is

728
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:30,920
for Golden State at this point because he's not playing now,

729
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:35,440
he's out of the rotation. He had very suspicious biladdal

730
00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:37,559
knee tendonitis that kept him out for a while, and

731
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,960
then he came back, didn't really play, definitely didn't play well,

732
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,639
and now he's just not playing. He's dnp's healthy DNPS lately.

733
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,719
I I guess the question is how convinced is another

734
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,880
team that somewhere in there is a guy that will

735
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,960
play really hard and better and consistently once he's on

736
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:04,199
on a not on the Warriors. Hard to say, uh,

737
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,840
but that contract is valuable in itself as a trade

738
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,920
asset because you can use it to get off money

739
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,119
you maybe don't want because that team option next year

740
00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:13,760
can just go away as the acquiring team. So there

741
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,199
is some value there. Is he going to return a

742
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,440
first rounder? I doubt it. I think he's going to

743
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,480
return like a good player that might not have the

744
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:26,519
best contract, like a low end starter or like a

745
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:30,400
clear rotation guy. But my other two picks are so risky.

746
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,239
I just have to take him because I know that

747
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,039
he's getting traded. I'll be stunned if he's not traded.

748
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: His have we entered the realm where he is most

749
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,679
valuable because he can be an expiring contract if the

750
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,440
next team wants it to be set up that way

751
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:44,440
with the team option.

752
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: I think. I think if you're trading for him, that's

753
00:35:48,519 --> 00:35:52,960
definitely a factor. I still think the most likely the

754
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,719
biggest selling point is like there's something in this guy,

755
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,559
like athletically, if he's actually happy. Maybe, Like I think

756
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:03,400
that's an un realistic expectation frankly based on his career

757
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,079
to this point in Golden State, but I can imagine

758
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:09,639
teams looking at him and saying, like, let's just zoom

759
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:13,440
all the way out. He's still in early twenties, super

760
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,840
athlete at a position that in theory is like very

761
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,960
difficult to fill and might just be a change of

762
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,320
scenery away from being a really good starter with upside.

763
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,920
I think somewhere out there there are teams that still

764
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:32,079
think that. But if you're wrong, zero risk because he

765
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:33,840
can just go you can make him go away, and

766
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,599
you've got an open salary slot now. So I don't know.

767
00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:39,079
I'm not answering your question, but it's a factor. I

768
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:40,920
don't know if that's the main selling point.

769
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,280
Speaker 1: I guess, well, it's what would be the other I get.

770
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,159
I mean, you've laid it out with it being a

771
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:50,119
different situation, but I think the value for him comes

772
00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:52,920
back to we know what he can do at his

773
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,880
peak with the ball in his hands, and even that's inconsistent.

774
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,679
What do you trust about Jonathan Kaminga's game under the floor?

775
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,559
It could be anything positively by the way, I don't

776
00:37:03,559 --> 00:37:05,480
want to hear about, but yo, his his mirror. What

777
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,320
do you trust that he does well away from the ball?

778
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,719
What is that part of his Because I don't we've

779
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,639
nothing at the beginning of the season, and I will.

780
00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:16,719
I I got JK. Pilt, I've been around me. Talk

781
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,119
like he's rebounding, He's like he's in his threes away

782
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:21,239
from like this is. I bought the idea of him

783
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,679
being on the Warriors past the trade deadline, and look,

784
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,800
he might still be if the market for him is

785
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,920
that bad, but I bought it for a different reason.

786
00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 2: That that's that's the thing that other teams will see

787
00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:36,679
and point to and say, like, he can do that

788
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,440
for us, he can be that. Now, that's that's the

789
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:42,880
rub though, right Like he'll show you flashes of oh

790
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,239
he can't do the the the run, the floor, rebound,

791
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,679
move the ball, defend that point of attack, all that stuff, like,

792
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:51,920
and he looks really good when he does that in

793
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,679
short stretches. I think if you're trading for him, though

794
00:37:55,199 --> 00:37:58,679
you're still concerned deeply, I would say, or you should

795
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:02,440
be that like he's to get there to new destination

796
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:06,440
and say, fellas I am an on ball scorer, I'm

797
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,599
gonna need that basketball and watch me cook. And then

798
00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:12,679
you'll just get the same inconsistent like bad decision all

799
00:38:12,679 --> 00:38:15,000
that other stuff, and you're just right where the Warriors

800
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,800
were where you're like, we can't play this guy if

801
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,079
he's gonna do this. So yeah, I I you're right

802
00:38:21,159 --> 00:38:24,599
to say, tell me the thing you know you're getting

803
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:27,960
from him. And the answer, if you're at all, like

804
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:30,480
if you've paid any attention at all, is I there

805
00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:33,400
isn't anything you can't be sure you're gonna get something

806
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:33,800
from him.

807
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: Now, the way you could map this out in your

808
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,239
favor would be if he is one of the vehicles

809
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,639
through which the Warriors go out and get a bigger name,

810
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,639
because he's part of that main squeeze of salary that's

811
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:50,280
going out. Yeah, I'm just curious as to does that

812
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,079
also work against the odds of him being traded in it? Like,

813
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:56,079
are the Warriors at the point where we just want

814
00:38:56,119 --> 00:38:57,559
to get rid of him to where well, remember the

815
00:38:57,599 --> 00:38:59,760
Sons offer people laughed at, like if it was just

816
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,159
let's use Royce O'Neill in a second round pick, there's

817
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:04,960
other parts involved. Probably, are they at the point where

818
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,719
they're just doing that or are they still going to

819
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,039
hold out for the bigger swing, in which case that

820
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,599
winnows down their field of possibilities quite a bit.

821
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:17,159
Speaker 2: Well, I think the fact that you could imagine him. However,

822
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:21,280
I don't know what the percentage's likelihood percentage likelihoods are

823
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:26,280
in either of those either of those configurations, but like

824
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,480
you could have That's what part of the reason I'm

825
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,280
picking him. The main reason I'm picking him is I

826
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,599
think everybody agrees this relationship has to end, and it

827
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:34,280
has to end as soon as possible, and that's going

828
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:35,920
to come in the form of a trade. And if

829
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,960
that's for Royce O'Neil in a second, great he's still

830
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,199
getting traded. I get those assets. If it's as part

831
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,320
of a salary match and a larger deal, great, I

832
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,840
guess I get more. If it's for like a real player,

833
00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:49,239
then maybe that makes the return package look better. I

834
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,639
don't know. I just I'm so confident that he's getting

835
00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:53,480
moved that I had to take him to offset Davis

836
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,000
and Markinen.

837
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: We're onto my pick, which is pick number seven. I

838
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,840
do you like I might surprise you with this one

839
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,679
because it's putting some trust in a team that is

840
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,960
just I just feel for their fan base because this

841
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,599
team is just so incompetent and you can't trust This

842
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:12,760
is a decision they should make, but you can't trust

843
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,559
them to make it. I'm gonna go with Kobe White

844
00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:18,599
and not shooting the three ball as well as normal.

845
00:40:18,679 --> 00:40:21,239
Under twenty seven percent is two point percentages increase. He's

846
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,199
at over fifty seven percent inside the arc, still over

847
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,159
twenty points a game, assists at five. Going to head

848
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:30,199
into free agency, you just paid Josh Giddy. You have

849
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,800
Trey Jones on the books. You have no future I

850
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,880
would assume was going into free agency. I don't know

851
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,480
if there's anything that screams we have no idea what

852
00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:43,599
we're doing, where we're headed, and the future is bleak

853
00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:46,960
as hell, more so than holding on to Kobe White

854
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,480
and then having to pay him what it costs to

855
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:51,320
keep him in free agency, because you could sit here

856
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,519
and say, well, there's actually gonna be fewer than to

857
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:56,480
ten teams with cap space and other teams with cap space,

858
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,719
how many of them are gonna go after Kobe White?

859
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,440
I agree with you. We were singing that same song

860
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,239
with Josh Giddy, and he's still got twenty five million

861
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,840
dollars a year. I think Kobe White, the idea of him,

862
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,360
is at least more valuable. Josh Gitty is better size,

863
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:13,320
better passer. He's going to get just as much. And

864
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,880
at that point it's, oh, you're fifty plus million dollars

865
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,159
a year in Kobe White and Josh Giddy, where are

866
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:20,760
you headed? And the odds of Kobe White's deal aging

867
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,599
poorly in Chicago versus somewhere else are pretty damn high.

868
00:41:23,639 --> 00:41:26,719
Because the Bulls suck. They suck from just top to bottom.

869
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:30,639
They suck, and I think they'll move him. That's why

870
00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:32,000
this is a risk. But I think there's a good

871
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:33,639
chance that they will actually move him. And this is

872
00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:37,679
someone I view as okay, expiring contract. This is where

873
00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:40,239
we get iffy, but he's cheap. The Bulls might be

874
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,280
able to take back some bad money. I think he

875
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,559
gets more than the equivalent of a first round pick.

876
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:45,960
And so if it's where a young player in a

877
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,880
first round pick, or maybe it's two first round picks,

878
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,599
one heavily protected, That's why I feel confident and take

879
00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:53,599
him here. The bigger risk for me is not the value.

880
00:41:53,639 --> 00:41:56,119
It's Chicago being Chicago. Basically.

881
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew you were gonna say Kobe White this

882
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,679
and and this. The thing I was thinking is like,

883
00:42:03,679 --> 00:42:06,280
what if it's just kaminga for Kobe White, Like, isn't

884
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,639
that a construction that might Like, that's that's plausible.

885
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,079
Speaker 1: And then for Kobe White and Javon Carter whatever.

886
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: Who's sweetening it? Yeah? Who who technically wins that trade?

887
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,760
From our draft value perspective?

888
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: Oh? From this, Oh that's interesting. I was looking at

889
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,320
it from the Warriors win the trade.

890
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: Well, which, of course.

891
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,599
Speaker 1: I just think though that would be worse for my pick.

892
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,039
I think if the Bulls get Jonathan Kaminga is their

893
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:35,480
compensation for Kobe White, that's terrible for my for my

894
00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:37,000
pick of Kobe White at seven.

895
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 2: Right, it makes my yeah, if the warrior side of

896
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,360
it looks better unless somebody's thrown in picks. But who knows, Okay,

897
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,920
that's a totally logical pick. You don't keep drafting me

898
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:47,519
right now.

899
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I was gonna like, I

900
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,440
think I'm picking some guys where it's oh, Trey Murphy,

901
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,840
Derek Whit, Kobe Who. So all the players I named,

902
00:42:56,039 --> 00:42:59,719
where does Kobe White rank on the least to be traded?

903
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,719
Because he might be just I've had Derek White, Trey Murphy,

904
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,199
and Yannis and I feel like, ostensibly you should be

905
00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:08,880
able to say, well, Kobe White's the most likely to

906
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,639
be traded of those four guys, and I don't, yeah,

907
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:13,199
because the Bulls are the Bulls. I don't know if

908
00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:13,880
we'll say.

909
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,559
Speaker 2: That right in a if everyone were a rational actor,

910
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:19,440
Kobe White would be the most likely guy of those

911
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,880
four to be traded. But who knows, Okay, uh do

912
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,280
I go safe again. There's another guy that's like, I

913
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,199
know he's getting traded, but the return is not going

914
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,960
to be any good. I think I'm gonna swing big

915
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:39,000
again and just start the start the run on point

916
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:44,199
guards and I'm gonna take LaMelo ball. Oh I don't.

917
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:47,400
I don't think. Oh good, great, that makes me feel better.

918
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,880
I don't think he's gonna get traded. I think if

919
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,880
he does. We had this conversation earlier in the year

920
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,840
about like, well, if you got if you got him,

921
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,320
you got Trey Young and John Morant, who's the most

922
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,280
valuable and we were both like, well, it's LaMelo. Just

923
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:04,400
it just has to be right. Link the contract, youth

924
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,800
level of performance when healthy, like he's not. That's interesting

925
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,119
like Jaw or maybe Trey both, maybe Joe, both Jaw

926
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:17,760
and Trey have had higher peaks, but LaMelo's youth and

927
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:21,280
I don't know, like just seems like maybe he can

928
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,000
get back there. He's under he's on the rookie max still,

929
00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:28,840
so Charlotte should be If Charlotte moves him, it should

930
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,519
get a lot. I think this should be back in

931
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:35,159
the two to three first rounders pretty comfortably and not

932
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,599
bad salary. I don't think so. I think I had

933
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:42,079
to pick him. I didn't really, I don't know. I'd

934
00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:45,039
be curious where you're going next. I'm glad to hear

935
00:44:45,159 --> 00:44:47,519
that you're upset that I picked him, though, because that

936
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:50,239
means that at least I wasn't on my own taking

937
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:50,719
that risk.

938
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: I it's for him, It's just would the team actually

939
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,559
trade him when now there's more ankle stuff going on?

940
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,280
What are you actually gonna get for him? But I

941
00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:58,599
think that.

942
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,519
Speaker 2: Destinations are kind of tricky, you know, just for all

943
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:02,440
the reasons you mentioned.

944
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: But he was heavily I if you have told me

945
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:08,639
he would be traded, he's sling shots up like I

946
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,320
might have. I would have picked the honest and then

947
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,519
I don't. I might have put him ahead of Trey Murphy.

948
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,679
So I like that pick. It's super risky, and it's

949
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,039
kind of making me rethink what my own pick here

950
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,079
should be. What do you you predicted that you don't

951
00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:23,519
think LaMelo Ball would be traded? Right? I think I

952
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:25,960
kind of agree with you because I'm trying to think

953
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,559
of the team and you mentioned this at the end

954
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:30,599
of your justification. What is the team that could really

955
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:33,840
talk itself into let's go in and get LaMelo ball

956
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,360
right now. It's maybe something after the Fred van Fleet injury.

957
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,199
Some people might have said Houston, but it's not Houston anymore.

958
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,760
They have a top three offense and defense. Reed Shepherd's

959
00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:45,519
Ballin' is it? Who is it?

960
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:45,639
Speaker 2: Like?

961
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 1: I don't I think about Portland, but they have Dame

962
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,519
coming back next year. Scoot you had to play this season.

963
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,119
Speaker 2: I mean that we've talked about some version of that

964
00:45:53,159 --> 00:45:56,440
where it's like Charlotte just says, well, we'll try Scoot.

965
00:45:56,559 --> 00:45:58,719
We'll go for the Scoot experience. You can build a

966
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,360
deal around that. You guys are a little farther along

967
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,320
than we are. I'm allergic to talking about LaMelo trades

968
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:08,360
that you got to throw in quite a bit of

969
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,719
money on Portland side. But I don't know it. Again,

970
00:46:12,159 --> 00:46:15,000
what are the percentage chance LaMelo is traded by this

971
00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:21,360
year's deadline? Is it over under thirty?

972
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,559
Speaker 1: I think it's under okay.

973
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 2: I think I'm think that I like, well, I'll say

974
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,159
one in three just to up it. I think it

975
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,519
just highly unlikely. I guess two thirds unlikely but possible.

976
00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:35,320
And if he does move, then it's it won't be

977
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,639
for a for like a single first and bad money.

978
00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:39,920
We're gonna we're talking a real return if he moves.

979
00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 1: I think I'd be fast. I'll be fascinated to talk

980
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,679
about the aftermath of that trade, what he went for.

981
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,199
If he does get moved, I will say that. So

982
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,760
we're od to me at pick number nine. I think

983
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,079
I'm gonna play it safe here. Since LaMelo balls off

984
00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:58,119
the board, I'm going to go with Herb Jones. This

985
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,559
feels like I'm not just pillow the Pelicans. Although it's

986
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:03,280
funny that we have two players coming off the board,

987
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,280
neither of humors ion. This just feels as if it's

988
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,800
going to be, oh, some team just contender. They're not

989
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,719
super high up, but they traded two first round picks

990
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:14,400
for Herb Jones, and that that's my justification. You have

991
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,559
questions about him on offense, I think he does more

992
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,760
than people give him credit for, even if the shooting

993
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,039
is going to be a tad iffy, But just the

994
00:47:21,079 --> 00:47:24,280
defense positionally where you could play him, how he basically

995
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,280
fits anywhere, and the number of teams right now that

996
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:33,920
could use really versatile and suffocating perimeter defenders. And you

997
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,599
look at his contract post extension. That's something that should

998
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,760
age fairly well as long as he stays healthy. So

999
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,920
this is I think my safest pick, even though I

1000
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,719
might say he has less than a fifty percent chance

1001
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,719
of being movers. I just oh, the Pelicans got two

1002
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,800
first round picks for herb Jones. Here we are.

1003
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 2: I would be surprised if they got two. I think

1004
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,639
he's more likely to be traded than you do, but

1005
00:47:54,679 --> 00:47:57,360
I think the return might be lower. I could see

1006
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:58,679
one pretty comfortable.

1007
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,079
Speaker 1: Oh really, so why would.

1008
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:00,679
Speaker 2: You move him? Then? Like?

1009
00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:02,039
Speaker 1: What is the what else are you getting?

1010
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 2: I don't know that. It's the Pelicans man who knows

1011
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,639
what they who knows how they value picks?

1012
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:09,599
Speaker 1: Like the Lakers have to be wanting to give up

1013
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:13,480
a pick and Ruie or I guess rue? Is he

1014
00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:15,360
really like a first? He's all right, that's fair. But

1015
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,000
it's just even that, It's like, if I'm the Pelicans,

1016
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:17,760
why would I do that?

1017
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:24,079
Speaker 2: Why do the Pelicans do anything? I don't know? Uh, okay,

1018
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:27,440
I think that's a good pick. I I have Zion

1019
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,599
on my list. I don't I'm not going to pick him.

1020
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,679
I have no idea how to value him, like, I

1021
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,159
just can't. So maybe I'll leave him for you. If

1022
00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:37,039
you really want to sweep the Pelicans, if you want

1023
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:40,519
to take sixty percent of the Pelicans healthy starting five,

1024
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,559
go ahead. Uh. I think I need to be safe

1025
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:48,760
because again I need to continue to balance here. So

1026
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,480
I think, what is this guy going to go for?

1027
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,480
It won't be a first am I just happy with

1028
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:55,199
seconds now?

1029
00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:58,079
Speaker 1: Marshall ittt I respect.

1030
00:48:58,199 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna know if I get less for this guy

1031
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,599
than Naugie Marshall, even though maybe you shouldn't, I'm gonna

1032
00:49:03,639 --> 00:49:07,320
take Keon Ellis. I think there is as good a

1033
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,960
chance as anyone not named Jonathan Cominga that he's gonna

1034
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,239
be traded like he's just playing less and less. It's

1035
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,599
like a vanishingly small degree I love. How are you

1036
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:16,840
looking for ke On Ellis's name to try to put

1037
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,119
on the screen? Oh no, I have to you can say,

1038
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,960
didn't have him on my board, grant.

1039
00:49:21,639 --> 00:49:24,519
Speaker 1: No typing them in real time anyway. So I'm just

1040
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,199
I'm shocked because he's so cheap that he just feels

1041
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:30,440
like a throw into another bad move that the Kings

1042
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:31,480
are gonna make yourself.

1043
00:49:31,519 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: He's well, that's the thing is, there's a lot of

1044
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,599
other Kings. We could mention here he's gonna get traded.

1045
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:41,679
It's like it's viewed as basically a crime that he's

1046
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,360
not playing by Kings fans, which I agree with. I

1047
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,280
just don't understand. It's almost one of those situations where

1048
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,719
you're like, what else is happening like in the locker room?

1049
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,440
Is there something that just isn't out there? Because it's

1050
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,480
I don't know how you justify not playing him, but

1051
00:49:57,559 --> 00:49:59,960
he isn't playing, and they'll just lose him for enough

1052
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,800
if they don't move him. So and he fits anywhere.

1053
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,000
Uh can make threes is a good point of attack,

1054
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:08,800
defender can guard up a little bit, but he's gonna

1055
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,719
be great against ones and twos makes nothing. Uh, He's

1056
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,920
just like he's got to get traded. So I'm just

1057
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,199
locking in minimal value because I might get zero out

1058
00:50:18,199 --> 00:50:19,199
of my first three picks.

1059
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: What what does he go for? You said he's not

1060
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,519
getting it first, This is a second.

1061
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I have any idea what he's gonna

1062
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,079
go for. It might be next to nothing, but he's

1063
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:31,199
gonna go so I'm gonna get something out of this pick.

1064
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: Man. You have me rethinking my strategy here. So I

1065
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,440
feel like I was gonna take a little bit, a

1066
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,400
little bit of a swing, and now I might need to.

1067
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,000
I feel like I kind of want to play it

1068
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:42,280
safe now I'm trying to.

1069
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,639
Speaker 2: You could game it and take one of the one

1070
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:47,159
of the bigger name kings that's probably gonna get traded,

1071
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,440
and then you sort of cancel out my my.

1072
00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: Lis pick who is the bigger name king that's gonna

1073
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,360
get traded? Even because I'm trying to think of do

1074
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,039
you think ke On Ellis is more likely to get

1075
00:50:56,079 --> 00:51:00,480
moved by himself or in tandem with one of sacrament

1076
00:51:00,519 --> 00:51:01,079
That's what I mean.

1077
00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:04,199
Speaker 2: You could if you think the answer is he's gonna

1078
00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:06,199
get moved as part of a deal, like he's gonna

1079
00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:11,639
sweeten a Sabonis, Levine or Derozen deal, then you could

1080
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:13,559
just take one of those guys and then you cancel

1081
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:14,760
them out.

1082
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:19,679
Speaker 1: Oh man, this is tough. I don't I'm rethinking everything.

1083
00:51:19,679 --> 00:51:23,159
So I'm on the clock at number eleven. Who do

1084
00:51:23,199 --> 00:51:27,320
I want to take? This is tough. I feel like

1085
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,079
I'm announcing my free agency decision.

1086
00:51:29,199 --> 00:51:32,559
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna further complicate your decision making by

1087
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:36,280
saying you think, like the Lakers are gonna do something right,

1088
00:51:36,639 --> 00:51:38,199
So it's all like do you want to just should

1089
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,920
you just pick a Laker? And then who is the problem.

1090
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,159
Speaker 1: So I'm notoriously lower on the Lakers this season than

1091
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:50,039
their records suggests. And it's I mean, I can't explain

1092
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:51,760
it because I don't trust their defense. I don't think

1093
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,480
they have enough two way talent. But it's also I'm

1094
00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:57,360
not trying to say that the Lakers have become underrated

1095
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,360
or being victimized, but Ruy Hachimore can just be a

1096
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,280
killer on offense or how many years with them, and

1097
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,039
it's no, he has no value, Like he doesn't mean anything.

1098
00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:07,679
So I was tempted to think of him, but like,

1099
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,159
who is the player they would move unless you want

1100
00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:12,320
if I want to take a swing and say Austin Reeves,

1101
00:52:12,639 --> 00:52:13,800
which I just don't believe in.

1102
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like, if the Lakers do anything, you're gonna

1103
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,079
have to use one of their mid sout like Vanderbilt,

1104
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:24,800
Vincent connect Kliba. So pick one and assume and assume

1105
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,840
he's gonna be attached to a pick and going out

1106
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,440
and get you out.

1107
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:31,639
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that I think I'm gonna venture.

1108
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,800
It's not probably as spicy as maybe some people. I'm

1109
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,639
gonna venture off what I think is the beaten path. Okay,

1110
00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:38,559
I'm gonna select Dante Devincenzo.

1111
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:42,079
Speaker 2: WHOA that was, He's on my list, but I, okay,

1112
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:42,920
just explain.

1113
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: I think we've reached the point where Minnesota against good

1114
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,079
teams has not looked all that great this year. As

1115
00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:51,320
valuable as Rudy Gobert has been on the defensive end,

1116
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,400
they have one of the worst defenses against top ten

1117
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,800
offenses in the league. Their offense, though, when you get

1118
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,159
into crunch time, when you look at some of the

1119
00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:02,039
turnovers they committed, it's too relying on Anthony Edwards. All

1120
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:05,679
your secondary ball handlers are just that secondary guys. Or

1121
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,920
it's Mike Conley's getting too old. Rob Dillingham is not it,

1122
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,199
and he would be if you thought there'd be a

1123
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,920
team that might invest in him as a second draft guy.

1124
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,480
But I can't. I don't know who they could get

1125
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,599
for Rob Dillingham right now. I think he's part of.

1126
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:22,519
Speaker 2: A bigger deal, right if he might be going in

1127
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:24,480
the Devincenzo deal, And.

1128
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: So I look at it as Dante DiVincenzo is incredibly

1129
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:30,719
useful for what they do, but doesn't give you enough.

1130
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,000
Ball handling isn't critical enough to the defense that if

1131
00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:37,760
you're looking to either a get another kind of non

1132
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,679
big defender in there, which I don't between Jade McDaniels

1133
00:53:40,679 --> 00:53:43,039
and Aunt and then Rudy and just knowing that Julius

1134
00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:45,679
Rannold's gonna play aton, I don't think that's a priority.

1135
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,679
So if you're going to materially upgrade the ball handling

1136
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,719
the offense that feels like the guy who needs to

1137
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,840
get moved, it's not going to be Jaden. I don't

1138
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,440
think like Randa would be if you wanted to take

1139
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,480
a massive swing. But I don't know what Randalls market is.

1140
00:54:01,559 --> 00:54:03,440
I think Deven Chenda with someone who fits in more

1141
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,360
places because he doesn't need the ball and because of

1142
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,039
the high volume of three point shooting that he brings you,

1143
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:11,280
and also because of the way that he can just

1144
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,519
move and put pressure on defenses even when the rock

1145
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:15,719
is not in his hands. And yes, he can still

1146
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,760
do some things with the ball in his hands, and

1147
00:54:18,119 --> 00:54:21,480
I just don't want him running anything in the half court.

1148
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:24,239
I think the Wolves need another player like that, And

1149
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,159
if you're putting someone on the table, he's probably just

1150
00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:30,239
giving out things have gone for Rob Dillingham. His values

1151
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,280
head and shoulders above that. I just if you put

1152
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,280
Rob Dillingham on the are you getting more than a

1153
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,679
second round like one? So, so second round pick for

1154
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,280
Rob Dillingham at this point.

1155
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that's why you don't trade him, because it's

1156
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,079
like you're never coming close to the eighth pick in

1157
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:47,079
the draft value now, so it's just you just hold

1158
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:48,239
on in hope. I think with him.

1159
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,159
Speaker 1: Friend of the podcast Kyle Tige, him and Day Moore

1160
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:53,800
do fantastic work over the Day More NBA show. He

1161
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,719
had proposed on a semi recent podcast, and I'm not

1162
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,079
shitting on him. I was actually floored to have someone

1163
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,000
so pluged to the Wolves suggest this. He had proposed

1164
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:05,400
Rob Dillingham for Chris Dunn and it was just like.

1165
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's where it is.

1166
00:55:08,639 --> 00:55:12,159
Speaker 1: That's a catastrophe on Minnesota's part. So shout out Kyle

1167
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,599
for even if that's too doomsday, like, shout out for

1168
00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:18,400
going there. But I went this route because I think

1169
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,079
that I don't I don't think they'll target a first

1170
00:55:21,159 --> 00:55:23,199
round pick in return. For Dante DiVincenzo. But I could

1171
00:55:23,199 --> 00:55:25,159
see a contender if they have one giving up. I

1172
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,679
more so just view it as if they want to

1173
00:55:27,679 --> 00:55:29,719
get or maybe it's splitting him up into two guys

1174
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:32,599
to where it's, oh, we get kind of a secondary

1175
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:35,599
ball handling guy or maybe a wing defender, and like

1176
00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:38,519
though they're super cheap, or it's like you said, it

1177
00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:40,280
could just be part of a bigger deal. And then

1178
00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:43,159
does that if he's paired We talked about this a

1179
00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:45,800
little bit with Jonathan Kaminga. But if someone who we

1180
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,920
think has real standalone trade value gets paired with like

1181
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,519
you can very clearly see de Vincenzo's doing the heavy

1182
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:56,840
lifting in a trade where he's partnered with Rob Dillingham.

1183
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,280
Does that help my case or is it too hard

1184
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:01,280
to We'll have to.

1185
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,039
Speaker 2: Put it to a case. It'll be a case by

1186
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:06,639
case situation where we form a committee and vote on

1187
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,440
what percentage of the trade return he's actually responsible for.

1188
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:10,840
I thought you were gonna say, like, what if he's

1189
00:56:11,639 --> 00:56:14,039
he adds to a Julius Randall trade for like a

1190
00:56:14,039 --> 00:56:16,480
big name or something, how much how much credit do

1191
00:56:16,519 --> 00:56:18,920
you get for Devincenzo being in that deal? Like it

1192
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,760
could go either way, so we'll we'll form the committee.

1193
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,679
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard, though, but the Wolves

1194
00:56:24,679 --> 00:56:27,920
have interest in Giannis, and so if if Devincenzo's in

1195
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,679
the trade for Giannis, I feel I probably just win.

1196
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 2: Well if if so, then you get credit. I lose.

1197
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,599
Speaker 1: I lose because Giannis was my first pick.

1198
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 2: And right, so then your return for Giannis was Dante DiVincenzo.

1199
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:46,119
Then you look pretty good, and you look pretty good,

1200
00:56:46,599 --> 00:56:48,880
all right, So it's it's up to me. I've got

1201
00:56:49,199 --> 00:56:53,719
two more picks here. I'm tempted to just lean into

1202
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,000
the riskiness because that's more fun to talk about.

1203
00:56:57,199 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: I will let you know that I'm taking at least

1204
00:56:59,559 --> 00:57:02,840
one drunken Swing's like, there's so.

1205
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:08,079
Speaker 2: Many appealing drunken swings on the board. Still, Uh, I'm

1206
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:10,639
gonna I think I'm gonna split the difference a little bit.

1207
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,760
Speaker 1: Here, and I'm with the baby.

1208
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,119
Speaker 2: I'm gonna split the baby. I'm gonna cut it right

1209
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:22,199
in half. I'm gonna go with Tobias Harris. And the

1210
00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:26,920
theory is, if the Pistons do anything of consequence, I

1211
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:31,039
think he's in the deal. And there haven't been indications

1212
00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:34,159
to this point yet that they're interested in that. I

1213
00:57:34,199 --> 00:57:37,039
think two months is a long time. I think some

1214
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:39,840
other names might emerge on the market, and I think

1215
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,960
if you're the Pistons, the other the safer route would

1216
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,960
have been to go Jade and Ivy probably, but I

1217
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,519
think he's added into any bigger deal. This is just

1218
00:57:49,639 --> 00:57:52,960
if the Pistons do something to add a starting caliber player,

1219
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,519
Harris's salary sort of has to be in it. And

1220
00:57:55,559 --> 00:57:58,719
in theory, this is a player who would probably replace

1221
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:04,239
Harris positionally in your closing lineup. Again, not super likely.

1222
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,119
It's just like if you're trying to figure out how

1223
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:10,239
the Pistons go from where they are, which is very

1224
00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:13,199
good to like, maybe great. I think Harris just has

1225
00:58:13,239 --> 00:58:14,960
to be in any deal, doesn't he, because how else

1226
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,920
are you getting there if not using his salary.

1227
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:23,559
Speaker 1: It's interesting to see how there is a stark difference

1228
00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:26,440
like how we've interpreted this exercise, because I was looking

1229
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,239
at players who I thought would have standalone value and

1230
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,519
it's just not like if if they could be stacked

1231
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:36,199
into a larger trade like Tobias Harris. To me, no

1232
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:38,760
one's calling the Pistons with the intention to go Okay,

1233
00:58:39,679 --> 00:58:40,440
that's a fair point.

1234
00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:42,639
Speaker 2: Is this unfair? Is am I going against because I

1235
00:58:42,639 --> 00:58:45,159
can repick if you feel like this is going against.

1236
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,239
Speaker 1: The exercise, I don't. I'm okay with I'm okay with you, oh,

1237
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:49,960
because then you could come back and say, well, look,

1238
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,639
Tobias Harris was moved for Larry Marketing, right, And.

1239
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:54,519
Speaker 2: It's kind of what we alluded to earlier, where it's like,

1240
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:57,239
do you get credit in a honest trade if if

1241
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,639
you use Devincenzo as your trade candidate.

1242
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,679
Speaker 1: I've I think I speak for our three hundred person

1243
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,280
board group that will be evaluating this afterwards when I

1244
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:07,679
say you will not, but you are free to keep

1245
00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:09,559
Tobias Harris. We will not be receiving a ton of

1246
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:12,400
credit for his trade value if they attach picks and

1247
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:14,000
J and IVY to him.

1248
00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 2: For so, I don't. If the market and trade everybody

1249
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,960
wants happens and Tobias Harris is outgoing, I guess that

1250
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:23,760
hurts me too, because because I lose out on the

1251
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,280
marketing side of it. But it looks pretty good if

1252
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,239
Tobias Harris is the reason you get No. Okay, No,

1253
00:59:29,559 --> 00:59:31,760
you're convincing me. I think I'm going against the spirit

1254
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,599
of the exercise a little bit, because he wouldn't be

1255
00:59:35,639 --> 00:59:38,039
the thing that like, hey, we want this, whereas I

1256
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:41,039
think everyone else we've chosen is a player that a

1257
00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:43,599
team would call and say, we want this guy. So

1258
00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:46,760
I'm gonna I'm gonna make you delete Tobias Harris. I

1259
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,800
think it's only fair to keep in the spirit of this.

1260
00:59:49,239 --> 00:59:52,719
Speaker 1: I'm leaving this discussion and I just time. The real

1261
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,239
twelfth overall pick is now is being made. This we'll

1262
00:59:55,239 --> 00:59:58,440
know who listened to the twelve and twelve twelve.

1263
00:59:58,239 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 2: B All right, I'm gonna change it and go who's calling?

1264
01:00:05,039 --> 01:00:07,159
I like this. I like this framing, like who's calling

1265
01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:09,679
and saying we want that this player? What do you

1266
01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:10,159
give us?

1267
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,679
Speaker 1: I feel I'm gonna have to take this guy if

1268
01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:14,480
you don't want that's my last pick. Though I didn't

1269
01:00:14,519 --> 01:00:16,599
realize that I have to take with my last pick.

1270
01:00:16,599 --> 01:00:19,079
You should, so I think you should take Zion because

1271
01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:20,599
I don't want to have to take I don't want

1272
01:00:20,639 --> 01:00:21,320
to take him either.

1273
01:00:21,559 --> 01:00:23,639
Speaker 2: It feels only right that you take Zion I have.

1274
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,320
I have two picks. Maybe I'll take him with the

1275
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:29,519
last pick. All right. Someone might call and ask for oh,

1276
01:00:29,639 --> 01:00:34,199
this name just jumped out at me. H, is it

1277
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,280
jumping out though? This is this is not good pop.

1278
01:00:37,079 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: This is this is excellent podcasting. This is why the exercise.

1279
01:00:40,599 --> 01:00:43,159
We talked about this and have been thinking about it

1280
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:46,559
for days, basically a week at this point, and it's

1281
01:00:46,599 --> 01:00:48,559
still so tough to kind of figure out which way

1282
01:00:48,599 --> 01:00:49,280
you want to go.

1283
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 2: Right Uh, Okay. The way Dan that I am going

1284
01:00:53,559 --> 01:00:58,679
to go is towards a guy named John Morant, because

1285
01:00:58,840 --> 01:00:59,480
I would just.

1286
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: Like to say, I respect you delaying the cadence of

1287
01:01:03,039 --> 01:01:05,239
your delivery so that you could figure out it.

1288
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 2: Really yeah, so I could scan my list a few

1289
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:12,559
more times and just let the moment seize me. Similar

1290
01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:16,880
logic to LaMelo, where you're kind of like judging the

1291
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,920
situation and some of the rumblings, although I would say

1292
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:24,039
that there have been even fewer, like actual like there

1293
01:01:24,039 --> 01:01:26,559
hasn't been a report even if it was refuted in

1294
01:01:26,559 --> 01:01:29,119
the case of LaMelo, where Morant like maybe wants to

1295
01:01:29,159 --> 01:01:31,719
explore his options or get out, and I think his

1296
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,119
value is very difficult to determine because of everything we've

1297
01:01:35,159 --> 01:01:38,760
talked about all season, the distraction stuff, the off court stuff,

1298
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,280
the suspensions, the injuries, the declining production, all that stuff.

1299
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,719
I can just still imagine someone It's easier to imagine,

1300
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,159
just to draw some contrast someone calling the Memphis Grizzlies

1301
01:01:49,159 --> 01:01:50,840
and saying, what's it going to take for John Morant

1302
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,920
than it is to imagine someone calling the Pistons and saying, buddy,

1303
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,840
we got to have Tobias Harris, what will you take

1304
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:01,079
for him? Yeah, so that's a risky pick. But if

1305
01:02:01,159 --> 01:02:05,079
Ja Morant is traded, even though like it's a fraction

1306
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,440
of what it would have been three years ago, I

1307
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,559
think he's still got value where it's like there's a

1308
01:02:10,599 --> 01:02:13,679
first going to Memphis and it's a real first at least,

1309
01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:16,599
and then maybe some decent young players too.

1310
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was about to say, if you're Memphis, you're

1311
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:25,199
running Memphis, what is the bare minimum that you would be?

1312
01:02:25,239 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 2: Well?

1313
01:02:25,639 --> 01:02:28,119
Speaker 1: Is it? I know it matters the quality of the

1314
01:02:28,159 --> 01:02:30,599
picks and prospects, but if you're just trying to assign

1315
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:33,559
a baseline number to it, it has to be a

1316
01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:34,360
minimum of two.

1317
01:02:34,599 --> 01:02:39,239
Speaker 2: No, and you can't. To me, it's more I think, sure,

1318
01:02:40,119 --> 01:02:42,440
I just stopped at one because like I'm positive it's one,

1319
01:02:43,559 --> 01:02:46,039
but the money coming back, I think if I'm Memphis.

1320
01:02:46,039 --> 01:02:49,639
I'm of the I'm of the stance that like I'm

1321
01:02:49,679 --> 01:02:54,559
not taking longer term worse money, like this isn't a

1322
01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:58,760
this isn't a dump like from memphisis perspective. This can't

1323
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,719
just be like we want off this contract. I think

1324
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:04,039
you're still trading him if you're trading him for like

1325
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:09,239
some version of positive value, I think, and that's like

1326
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:11,199
positive value might be the wrong term, but you know

1327
01:03:11,239 --> 01:03:13,199
what I mean, You're not just you're not just taking

1328
01:03:13,199 --> 01:03:15,320
anything to get rid of him, because you're not trading him.

1329
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:16,639
If that's what it looks like.

1330
01:03:17,239 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: Can I ask you, since you picked him over a

1331
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,280
tray Young, what separates? Is it just you don't believe

1332
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:25,920
in Latto and move Trey Young? Or is it you

1333
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,159
think John Moran's inherently more valuable? Is it the contract situation?

1334
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:30,360
What factors into that?

1335
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 2: I think One, John Morant's more interesting to talk about.

1336
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:40,039
Two I think I think he probably gets a little.

1337
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:46,400
I can imagine like a single team offering more for

1338
01:03:46,519 --> 01:03:50,000
John Morant because they've talked themselves into like he's still

1339
01:03:50,119 --> 01:03:53,280
at an age where there's prime years left, let's ignore

1340
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:57,360
the health and stuff. Whereas with Young, you're dealing with

1341
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,159
the same thing we talked about with if you wait

1342
01:03:59,159 --> 01:04:01,480
too long on Yannis, like you've got the free agency coming,

1343
01:04:01,519 --> 01:04:03,079
you've got all this other stuff you've got to worry

1344
01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:05,039
about with Young Based on the length of the contract,

1345
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:08,360
you can make the counter that like, well, the length

1346
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,840
of Jaws contract is a problem the other way, but

1347
01:04:11,559 --> 01:04:13,440
the amount of it. But I don't know that it

1348
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,039
could go either way. Are you gonna take Trey at thirteen?

1349
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: No? At thirteen. I think I'd like to give you

1350
01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:23,039
three guesses to see who you might think. Do you

1351
01:04:23,079 --> 01:04:24,639
want to take a shot, and you could use Trey,

1352
01:04:24,719 --> 01:04:26,239
but I've already told you no, So you.

1353
01:04:26,239 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 2: Have to give me a hint, like what kind of

1354
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:32,400
pick is this? Define what kind of pack maximum return,

1355
01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:34,840
low odds of being traded, or like, you really do

1356
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,239
think this guy is getting traded and the return is

1357
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:38,719
not like superstar level.

1358
01:04:39,159 --> 01:04:41,679
Speaker 1: I will yes, it's the latter, but I will say

1359
01:04:41,679 --> 01:04:43,800
he's not someone who's been in the rumor mail. And

1360
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:49,360
I'll also say he's in the Western conference Kawhi Leonard, No,

1361
01:04:49,519 --> 01:04:51,119
that's a good one. I did think about him, though

1362
01:04:51,559 --> 01:04:52,320
he's on my list.

1363
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,239
Speaker 2: I'll take two more. Malik monk.

1364
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,039
Speaker 1: No, hasn't he been in the rumor mail?

1365
01:04:59,639 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 2: I don't know. Oh that's the thing.

1366
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: I mean, kings I got.

1367
01:05:03,679 --> 01:05:07,639
Speaker 2: I got at least three more UH Western Conference not

1368
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,679
in the rumor mill. So let's see.

1369
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: No, that's a that's that would have been that you

1370
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,639
pick of like along the lines of the bio.

1371
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:21,239
Speaker 2: Right. So I was ready to put him on my

1372
01:05:21,239 --> 01:05:22,880
short list, and then I remembered that.

1373
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:25,519
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't know, So I'm going

1374
01:05:25,559 --> 01:05:32,960
to go with Kant George. Okay, he's averaging like twenty

1375
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,440
three points career high and assists. What does he add?

1376
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,679
He's at six point eight assists per game. The passing

1377
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,000
has improved, he looks more patient than he is in

1378
01:05:40,039 --> 01:05:42,719
the offensive end. Still a wildly inefficient pull up shooter,

1379
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:44,719
still gets it done, can still get it done in

1380
01:05:44,719 --> 01:05:47,440
spot of situations, getting to the foul line more shooting

1381
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,480
over ninety percent when you get there. He has another

1382
01:05:49,559 --> 01:05:52,360
year left on his rookie scale. And if I'm the Jazz,

1383
01:05:52,719 --> 01:05:55,280
based off what I've seen this season, I'm confident in

1384
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,599
saying that Keante George is a much better player than

1385
01:05:58,639 --> 01:06:01,519
I thought, and he has no business running my offense

1386
01:06:01,559 --> 01:06:03,960
long term if I'm trying to make the playoffs, and

1387
01:06:04,039 --> 01:06:07,039
I think what's fascinating to me about him and why

1388
01:06:07,079 --> 01:06:09,559
could argue picking him higher, is if there's a team

1389
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:13,559
that's expensive and needs help as a ball handler, maybe

1390
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:15,840
off the bench, they might look at a cost controlled

1391
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,639
year this season and next of Kiante George. Just give

1392
01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:22,239
you first round equity outright, Or he's kind of he's

1393
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,480
twenty two years old, he's kind of a carot if

1394
01:06:24,519 --> 01:06:27,719
they want to make So if they just decided they

1395
01:06:27,719 --> 01:06:29,280
want to go after this in the best fit because

1396
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,880
they've Jeremiah Field's fears there. But if Utah decides it

1397
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,360
wants to be the design on Williamson team and they

1398
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,239
were willing to put Kiante George on the table, he

1399
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,119
has appeal in that direction. And so I think he

1400
01:06:38,119 --> 01:06:40,840
could be used in so many different ways as either

1401
01:06:41,159 --> 01:06:43,440
the Jazz are a seller or the Jazz are a

1402
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,000
buyer that I could look back at the package and

1403
01:06:46,039 --> 01:06:47,599
math it out and say, like he was a pretty

1404
01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:49,800
if he if they if they trade him for first

1405
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:51,559
round picks, it's easy to gauge his value. But if

1406
01:06:51,559 --> 01:06:53,280
they move him as part of their own, you know

1407
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,199
what we want LaMelo Ball, or we're the Ja Morant team,

1408
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:58,880
or just even if they just if they offered him

1409
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,159
to Houston Fertari, he said in a first round pick,

1410
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,559
like I think I can look back at that and say, okay,

1411
01:07:03,679 --> 01:07:05,559
that was that was like make like he did some

1412
01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:07,800
interesting trade value there, and I wanted to take I

1413
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:09,679
don't think he's going to be traded. I believe he

1414
01:07:09,719 --> 01:07:12,039
should be just base. He's going to be extension as

1415
01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:14,360
well after this season. But I wanted to step out

1416
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:15,840
on some sort of a lamb, and I think the

1417
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:19,400
closest I came to doing that was maybe Trey Murphy.

1418
01:07:19,719 --> 01:07:22,199
So that that is the justification behind this. But I

1419
01:07:22,239 --> 01:07:24,239
also wanted to see if I could surprise you, and

1420
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:24,880
I think you did.

1421
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,119
Speaker 2: You did surprise me. But and I hadn't really thought

1422
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:29,360
of him as the trade candidate, which is weird because

1423
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,320
that is the type of player. If I'm Utah, I'd

1424
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:36,360
be looking to move like may like pretty good bump

1425
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,599
to his value certainly relative to last year.

1426
01:07:38,639 --> 01:07:40,679
Speaker 1: And you have all this guard depth to like Brice

1427
01:07:40,679 --> 01:07:43,599
sense of bas Rolls whatever right now. So I'm not

1428
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:46,679
saying any of he's not as good he's been the

1429
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:50,119
passing improvement like him leading the offense. The numbers still

1430
01:07:50,119 --> 01:07:52,679
aren't great, but it's oh you kind of trust it

1431
01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:55,719
more and I would absolutely move him in most year time.

1432
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the tricky thing is to for this to

1433
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:02,559
make sense, Utah has to view his growth this year

1434
01:08:02,679 --> 01:08:07,679
as like value recovery as opposed to, oh, he's if

1435
01:08:07,679 --> 01:08:09,679
he can get this much better in one off season

1436
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:14,119
like that, now the trend arrow's going up like this

1437
01:08:14,199 --> 01:08:16,880
is so we do want to keep him, which I

1438
01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:19,159
I think I share some of your skepticism, just because

1439
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:21,800
like some of the decision making and the like still

1440
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,239
got got a little bit of chucker in him. That

1441
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:28,279
concerns me. So I could see Utah deciding we've seen

1442
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,560
enough and we don't necessarily buy that yet. Right, you've

1443
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,399
said it great for like what did you say, Like

1444
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,600
you're you're you love the growth and you don't want

1445
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,000
anything to do with him running your offense, Like I think.

1446
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: That No, No, I mostly not against what it's probably

1447
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,560
gonna cost to keep.

1448
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 2: Him, uh huh uh huh yeah, because he might be

1449
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,199
a thirty million a year guy.

1450
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: Right, and also, just are you good enough to justify

1451
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,039
paying you already have lowry market and if you want

1452
01:08:53,079 --> 01:08:55,600
him to be your temp pole next to as Bailey, Okay, fine,

1453
01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:58,840
but you have to align certain things and there's only

1454
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,399
so much room for or like, you just can't have

1455
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,039
two standout salaries two years from now if you're not

1456
01:09:04,119 --> 01:09:07,319
ready to contend. Okay, I think, is that a sufficient

1457
01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:08,760
use of my my last pick?

1458
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 2: It is? It is? And now you've left Zion on

1459
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:14,159
the board, and I do I'm not happy with you

1460
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:18,640
about it. I think I'm gonna go. I gotta lean.

1461
01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:22,920
I'm still gonna go, like max return if this guy

1462
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:23,760
actually gets.

1463
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: Good, I think, honestly, and I think the final pick,

1464
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,479
because no one's gonna look back. I mean maybe they will.

1465
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,760
They're gonna look back and say, oh, the last two picks,

1466
01:09:31,119 --> 01:09:33,479
you didn't get them right. This is this is the

1467
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,520
actual draft where it's the end of the lottery. Why

1468
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,520
wouldn't you just take this massive swing.

1469
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:40,079
Speaker 2: We're taking shots on upside. We just care about upside.

1470
01:09:40,079 --> 01:09:44,199
We're not drafting number four position, not going for position.

1471
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:49,640
I am tempted to take Kawhi since like he could

1472
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,199
reasonably be traded.

1473
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 1: If I trusted the Clippers to make the right decision.

1474
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:55,880
Of you to Zoobots would have absolutely have been one

1475
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:56,159
of them.

1476
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,239
Speaker 2: He's on my board under first round pick for sure,

1477
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,560
with with some other guys like that. But I just

1478
01:10:03,399 --> 01:10:04,840
I just don't know if they're gonna do it. Even

1479
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,119
though all the talk we we had about him was

1480
01:10:07,119 --> 01:10:10,479
so tantalizing with the hypothetical thunder trades, that just probably

1481
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:15,439
won't happen. All right, I'm gonna go upside. I'm going

1482
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:19,800
to take who's gonna get more between?

1483
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,199
Speaker 1: I love this, I love the I love the real

1484
01:10:23,279 --> 01:10:24,800
time trying to figure it out.

1485
01:10:25,079 --> 01:10:28,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just like, is this guy worth two firsts?

1486
01:10:29,079 --> 01:10:31,760
Is he worth three? And he's got to be somewhat

1487
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:38,239
in the rumor mill. I think I'm gonna take Tyler

1488
01:10:38,279 --> 01:10:45,920
Hero Tyler Hero uh, and I hate it. I already

1489
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:46,439
hate it.

1490
01:10:49,159 --> 01:10:51,119
Speaker 1: I was wondering if I was supposed to comments when

1491
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:52,520
there was no.

1492
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 2: It's just it's there's a couple other players here. We

1493
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:56,880
will go, We'll go through a bunch more names once

1494
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,399
we get it's officially on the board. If the pick

1495
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,359
is in, it's Tyler Hero. I think the Heat are

1496
01:11:02,399 --> 01:11:05,159
gonna do something. I think Hero is gonna be key

1497
01:11:05,319 --> 01:11:07,720
the key asset out going because you can't like take

1498
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,720
like you could say khalil Ware, you could say Andrew Wiggins.

1499
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,239
But I think any big deal Miami makes, Hero's gonna

1500
01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:16,720
be the main asset headed out, unless you like, we're

1501
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:18,520
not trading first round picks or whatever.

1502
01:11:19,039 --> 01:11:21,520
Speaker 1: And I think what's tough is too just for the

1503
01:11:22,199 --> 01:11:24,279
kohlil Ware aspect. And we went through this a little

1504
01:11:24,319 --> 01:11:26,399
bit with others and it's it's a good analog for

1505
01:11:27,159 --> 01:11:30,000
the Keyante George Pick. I could see the Jazz moving

1506
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:33,840
Keyante George is just the standalone move. I can't see

1507
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:37,079
the Heat unless they're making a blockbuster trade saying yeah,

1508
01:11:37,119 --> 01:11:39,880
we'll trade khalil Ware for maybe I guess if they're

1509
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:42,199
getting their own pick back from Charlotte. But even that, yeah,

1510
01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:42,920
a little fuzzy.

1511
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:47,199
Speaker 2: No, I think it's uh, it's it's the opposite of

1512
01:11:47,279 --> 01:11:50,560
the Tobias Harris pick that never was because, yeah, Harris

1513
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,880
is probably going out in a big deal, but he's

1514
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:56,000
not the reason it's happening. I think from the acquiring

1515
01:11:56,039 --> 01:11:59,000
team's perspective, Tyler Hero would be the reason that a

1516
01:11:59,039 --> 01:12:01,720
Heat trade is happening, Like he'll be the principal asset

1517
01:12:02,119 --> 01:12:07,000
going out if the heat trade for whoever. So how

1518
01:12:07,119 --> 01:12:08,960
likely is it that Hero gets traded? I don't know,

1519
01:12:09,039 --> 01:12:11,640
man Like it's it's hard to I think it's there's

1520
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:15,239
a decent chance, but he's got to be down below.

1521
01:12:15,279 --> 01:12:16,960
Just to look at the names that have gone like,

1522
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,800
I think like Derek White's probably more likely to be traded,

1523
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:23,079
Herb Jones, all your various Pelicans, for example, more likely

1524
01:12:23,119 --> 01:12:25,800
to move to say nothing of like Kobe White and

1525
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,720
Kaminga and Ellis and those types. But close it out

1526
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:29,319
with Tyler Hero.

1527
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: Do you could you see them moving Tyler Hero in

1528
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,239
a standalone deal that's more of like we reloaded our

1529
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:39,720
pick deck for a future trade. Or do you think

1530
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:41,600
it's only if they make a big move for a

1531
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:42,079
big name.

1532
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:47,600
Speaker 2: I'd say it's much much, much more likely in a

1533
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:51,199
trade for a big name, because I guess unless you're

1534
01:12:51,319 --> 01:12:53,960
worried about the next contract and you just want to

1535
01:12:54,319 --> 01:12:56,079
get out ahead of it, I don't know if you're

1536
01:12:56,119 --> 01:13:00,279
moving him like just for stuff, but maybe like could

1537
01:13:00,279 --> 01:13:02,800
get something. He could run your offense, like if if

1538
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,239
you're the Jazz and you want to you want to

1539
01:13:05,319 --> 01:13:07,399
just upgrade the guard spot. I think Hero makes more

1540
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:09,680
sense than Keante George for example, So maybe they get

1541
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:10,520
swapped for each other.

1542
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,119
Speaker 1: That's an interesting pick, I guess because if the terms

1543
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:17,359
feel so finite, that's what would like I would have.

1544
01:13:18,079 --> 01:13:20,640
I like it. I just don't know what have we

1545
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:22,680
gone through When the Miami Heat had been linked to

1546
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:25,560
these marketing names, it's always what value does Tyler Hero

1547
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,119
have to other teams? And so they get in on

1548
01:13:28,159 --> 01:13:30,880
the Yannis sweepstakes? Does he appeal to a Bucks team

1549
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:32,079
that doesn't have their own picks?

1550
01:13:32,199 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 2: I think he is any from Milwaukee. This this is

1551
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:37,199
what I've been building towards I ruining your number one

1552
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:40,039
overall pick by getting to say I got you honest

1553
01:13:40,079 --> 01:13:42,319
for Tyler Hero. Uh, let's you want to go through

1554
01:13:42,319 --> 01:13:44,720
some names, like maybe we put them in categories here,

1555
01:13:45,119 --> 01:13:48,880
did you have any other players that so for example,

1556
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,760
I had the first round picks for sure category, but

1557
01:13:52,039 --> 01:13:54,479
you know who knows how likely they are to be traded?

1558
01:13:56,119 --> 01:13:58,079
And this is where like we're relying you know, if

1559
01:13:58,079 --> 01:13:59,920
they have to have been in the rumor mill. We're

1560
01:14:00,079 --> 01:14:02,800
lying on like pretty hazy stuff generally speaking. But is

1561
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:05,920
there a name that you just couldn't pick because it

1562
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,920
didn't seem likely enough? But the return would be massive.

1563
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:15,239
Speaker 1: Uh, so zion and trade don't really fall into that bucket.

1564
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,800
Try to think just Austin Reeves was one if the

1565
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,279
Lakers didn't want to worry about maximum out. But if

1566
01:14:21,279 --> 01:14:23,239
it doesn't seem like Lebron is going to stay there

1567
01:14:23,319 --> 01:14:24,920
or they're not he's not going to stay there for

1568
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,199
real money, then it's I don't know why they would

1569
01:14:28,199 --> 01:14:32,439
move him. Zion felt like the toughest cut, but it

1570
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:35,680
wasn't a value thing. It felt almost I wonder if

1571
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,199
we should have played up the likelihood of him more.

1572
01:14:38,319 --> 01:14:41,199
Just at this point, wouldn't you expect the Pelicans to just, oh, yeah,

1573
01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:43,399
expiring money and a second, sure, we'll take it.

1574
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that's his contract with the non guarantee. Because

1575
01:14:47,399 --> 01:14:50,680
as far as I understand, it's still they because he's

1576
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:52,359
not going to hit the games played or he already

1577
01:14:52,359 --> 01:14:54,479
hasn't hit the games played threshold, they can just void

1578
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:56,399
the rest this summer, right, and it's just like he

1579
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:59,760
can just be off the books. Essentially. I think that's

1580
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:03,279
the So if you're a team that's looking to trade

1581
01:15:03,319 --> 01:15:05,039
something for him, it's like it's kind of like the

1582
01:15:05,039 --> 01:15:07,359
old like, well, we could just sign him or or

1583
01:15:07,399 --> 01:15:09,520
why are we giving up stuff to get him? Let

1584
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:13,239
alone like a godfather offer that's not gonna happen. What

1585
01:15:13,279 --> 01:15:16,680
do you I'll give you three names here, Jared Jackson, Junior,

1586
01:15:17,319 --> 01:15:20,520
Darius Garland and Demonas Sabonis are all guys as like

1587
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,680
I could see it, and you've seen whispers about all

1588
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:27,600
of them, but I just couldn't. The likelihood felt too

1589
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:28,920
low for various reasons.

1590
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:32,520
Speaker 1: All of those feel like well, the Jackson and Garland

1591
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:37,000
situations would feel very off season to me, and Sibonis,

1592
01:15:37,199 --> 01:15:39,399
I'd be worried about the value. I'd probably give up

1593
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,039
more for Sabonis than the average front office would.

1594
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:46,399
Speaker 2: I think he's getting you first, a first or two, probably, right, Sabonis,

1595
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,039
I don't think you're getting into the three or four range.

1596
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:52,239
Speaker 1: I mean I was listening to the Timeline podcast the

1597
01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:54,199
other day and they were positing whether they would do

1598
01:15:54,279 --> 01:15:56,680
Mark Williams and Jalalen Green for Sabonis, and I think

1599
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,680
they both agreed they would not, And so that made

1600
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,319
me think, if this is how other fan bases feel

1601
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,800
about the bonus, I would think he would get you

1602
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,279
at least one first round pick. Yeah, for sure, I

1603
01:16:09,279 --> 01:16:10,239
would think but.

1604
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 2: So also just Leonard and Harden. I don't know, like

1605
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:16,960
you know, they'd get you something, but that's hard to

1606
01:16:17,039 --> 01:16:20,399
judge a name. I'm surprised neither of us got to

1607
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:23,199
And maybe it's just the value. Is Anthony Simons like

1608
01:16:23,239 --> 01:16:26,000
the guy that the moment he became a Celtic everyone

1609
01:16:26,039 --> 01:16:28,920
assumed he would be traded. I think it's just what's

1610
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:30,560
he gonna get you on an expiring deal.

1611
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,079
Speaker 1: I honestly, I don't know what they could trade him

1612
01:16:34,119 --> 01:16:37,800
for to be I don't know that it's positive money. Yeah,

1613
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:39,560
and at that they're trying to shave money so I

1614
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,439
can get bad money that's actually less than what he makes.

1615
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 2: That's interesting. Do you think do you think they'll just

1616
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,039
let his deal expire? Do you think that's the most

1617
01:16:47,119 --> 01:16:47,920
likely outcome.

1618
01:16:49,359 --> 01:16:51,399
Speaker 1: I have no idea what Boston's going to do at

1619
01:16:51,399 --> 01:16:53,760
this point. They are way better than I expected. But

1620
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,840
I'm looking at it from the perspective of this season's

1621
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,479
been kind of cool. You're not going to win a title.

1622
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,319
Why are you paying the tax and subjecting yourselves to

1623
01:17:02,359 --> 01:17:05,800
potential restrictions down the line. Unless the plan is we're

1624
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,319
in the tax this year, we're gonna be out for

1625
01:17:07,359 --> 01:17:09,199
the next two years, or in which case Derek White

1626
01:17:09,239 --> 01:17:11,439
has just gone. I'm assuming anyway, which makes my pick

1627
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:17,800
look great, it'd be I I think he I think

1628
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:20,239
he gets moved. Even if it doesn't save the money,

1629
01:17:20,239 --> 01:17:22,000
maybe it gets them a contract that's on the books

1630
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:23,680
for next year, so it's easier to kind of move

1631
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:26,399
around money because you look at the problem with their

1632
01:17:26,399 --> 01:17:30,079
books is once you get past Jalen Brown and Derek

1633
01:17:30,119 --> 01:17:32,760
White and Jason Tatum, it's it's not you've a for

1634
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,760
me Simon's and then who's the salary anchor to move

1635
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,600
Sam Houser. Maybe that could have been someone we consider,

1636
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:39,479
but he hasn't had the.

1637
01:17:39,399 --> 01:17:43,279
Speaker 2: Best year, So they trade Simons for like a two

1638
01:17:43,399 --> 01:17:45,199
guy on a two or three year it has two

1639
01:17:45,279 --> 01:17:46,600
or three years left that less.

1640
01:17:46,399 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 1: Money right, like a Terrence Man would be Oh, do

1641
01:17:50,079 --> 01:17:52,119
they duck the tax before they come awfully close? If

1642
01:17:52,119 --> 01:17:54,439
they don't, or is it maybe it's could it be

1643
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:57,199
something like would Charlotte because they have so much room

1644
01:17:57,279 --> 01:18:00,319
under the tax consider Colin Sexton for Simon and maybe

1645
01:18:00,359 --> 01:18:02,760
they get a second round pick, and then Boston's almost

1646
01:18:03,119 --> 01:18:04,479
ducked the tacks at that point.

1647
01:18:05,119 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 2: Another Bill is on my list, but more so like

1648
01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:09,800
I think he's going to be traded, I don't think.

1649
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:11,079
I don't think he's getting the value.

1650
01:18:11,079 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: Stuff is that there are guys that I assume are

1651
01:18:13,039 --> 01:18:15,000
going to be traded, and I just didn't know what

1652
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,640
to do the value. I thought about Tari Eastan, but

1653
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:19,960
I don't know what just because he's coming up on

1654
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,640
his next deal. But if you're I don't know, like

1655
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:24,560
they could decide over the summer to go in for

1656
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:26,720
Grannis and then your Barr Smith Junior is coming out,

1657
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,800
so keeping Tarry Easton maybe isn't as prohibitive. I just

1658
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:31,800
don't know what you get for someone who is just

1659
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:36,560
so defensively chaotic, like in a good way, fits a

1660
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:38,760
lot of what other teams are doing offensively, but the

1661
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,119
availability and minutes are always all over the place, and

1662
01:18:41,159 --> 01:18:44,039
you have to pay him another name. I almost picked

1663
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:49,600
as with my last pick. Yeah, go ahead, MP, No,

1664
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:51,439
I don't is he gonna get positive? Has he been

1665
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:52,640
good enough to get value?

1666
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:54,520
Speaker 2: He's been really good. And I was just thinking, like

1667
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:58,000
if you're in the market in and Trey Murphy market

1668
01:18:58,039 --> 01:18:59,520
and you're like, well, I can't give up what's going

1669
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,239
to cost for them. If I'm willing to pay him,

1670
01:19:02,319 --> 01:19:04,119
I'm gonna have to give up way less for MPJ.

1671
01:19:04,279 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 1: Tobias Harris could have gotten new MPJA if you stuck

1672
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:07,279
with that pig.

1673
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 2: Okay, who was your guy?

1674
01:19:09,199 --> 01:19:11,680
Speaker 1: Emmanuel quickly into I.

1675
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,039
Speaker 2: Had Barrett on my list, interestingly.

1676
01:19:14,279 --> 01:19:16,279
Speaker 1: Which I get that, I just don't know what I

1677
01:19:16,319 --> 01:19:19,359
think Quickly still has more standalone value, and I also

1678
01:19:19,399 --> 01:19:21,479
think he's probably more important to the best version of

1679
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:23,640
the Raptors. But the Raptors have been the past two

1680
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,520
or three weeks have not been the best version of

1681
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:28,640
the Raptors either, So I thought I thought about him.

1682
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:31,760
I don't know if there were any other compell tray,

1683
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,680
obviously I thought about he feels of the If you

1684
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:38,000
were to rank the Jaw LaMelo tray, which one of

1685
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,399
those three do you think is least likely to get moved?

1686
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,079
I kind of thought it was Trey.

1687
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 2: At the moment. At the moment, it's I actually kind

1688
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:51,479
of think it's Jaw, even though I picked him, just like, uh,

1689
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,159
but it's not LaMelo, So it's got to be either

1690
01:19:54,239 --> 01:19:56,840
Trey or Jaw. Do you think I kind of think

1691
01:19:56,840 --> 01:20:01,439
that Atlanta isn't wrong in wanting to see if it

1692
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:04,640
can like make the new stuff that works work with

1693
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,399
the old stuff that works. So like, once Trey is back,

1694
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,079
can you still get all this out of Jalen Johnson

1695
01:20:10,079 --> 01:20:12,720
and Alexander Walker? Like, I think it's kind of like

1696
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:15,119
the responsible move to kind of check in on that

1697
01:20:15,199 --> 01:20:17,560
for a few months and see if it's like is

1698
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:20,399
there a can we have it both ways kind of thing?

1699
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:20,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1700
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 2: Right, what about?

1701
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 1: What was it? And the name just escaped me?

1702
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 2: Oh.

1703
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,199
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure what his value would be or even

1704
01:20:28,199 --> 01:20:29,960
if they would want to move him given their situation.

1705
01:20:30,039 --> 01:20:32,279
But Dylan Brooks in Phoenix, I.

1706
01:20:32,319 --> 01:20:34,159
Speaker 2: Mean, his value is probably about as high as it's

1707
01:20:34,159 --> 01:20:35,640
ever been the way he's played.

1708
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:37,600
Speaker 1: The shot making this year for the most part. Yeah.

1709
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,199
Speaker 2: So I wrote something the other day about how uncomfortable

1710
01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:42,840
it should make Phoenix fans that like he's taking like

1711
01:20:43,159 --> 01:20:45,880
three tenths of a shot per game, fewer than Devin Booker.

1712
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:50,039
Just like he's really exploring the space and it's gone great.

1713
01:20:50,119 --> 01:20:52,720
But like, I just don't know how confident i'd be

1714
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,680
in that. Yeah, I mean in terms of if you're

1715
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:58,239
a really good team and you kind of want the

1716
01:20:58,279 --> 01:20:59,880
guy that you know you're gonna be able to rely

1717
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:03,239
on for something at a high level. He's he's interesting.

1718
01:21:03,319 --> 01:21:06,319
I there's a class of players, so they just three.

1719
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,119
We talked about Dillingham a lot, but there's two other

1720
01:21:09,159 --> 01:21:10,880
guys that I kind of lumped in there, even though

1721
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:14,720
they're further along career wise, Benedict Matherin, Jade and Ivy.

1722
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,760
We talked about Ivy a little bit, but like Matherin

1723
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,880
and Ivy, both are guys that, like I think their

1724
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,560
teams would move them. I just don't know what their

1725
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:26,840
values are. The theory would be that restricted free agency

1726
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,520
is so team friendly now that you might be willing

1727
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:31,039
to give up more than you would have in the

1728
01:21:31,079 --> 01:21:33,680
past for guys that are gonna hit restricted free agency

1729
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:37,439
because there's so much value to be had in signing

1730
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:40,880
them and keeping them around through RFA. It's just way

1731
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:42,880
easier to do that cheaply now than it seems like

1732
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:44,920
it has been in a long time. So maybe there's

1733
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:45,560
value there.

1734
01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:48,560
Speaker 1: That's a good point I looking at it for Mathern's

1735
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,079
perspective specifically, I have thought about a team would want

1736
01:21:51,079 --> 01:21:53,039
to stay away for that reason, because you're giving up

1737
01:21:53,079 --> 01:21:55,079
value for someone who's going to be coming off, even

1738
01:21:55,079 --> 01:21:57,680
if they're in RFA. I just averaged over twenty points

1739
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:00,399
a game or whatever and shot forty percent from the three,

1740
01:22:01,199 --> 01:22:03,479
you're gonna be expected, and then you're kind of beholden.

1741
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:05,600
You could play the whole but like, once you give

1742
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:08,760
up something for them, they do have leverage, it's like, oh,

1743
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:10,840
you're just gonna let me walk. I just think.

1744
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 2: It's it's teams are in such powerful spots now, or

1745
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,079
if maybe I'm overrating this past offseason where every team

1746
01:22:17,239 --> 01:22:20,520
just like put the screws to its restricted free agents acceptables,

1747
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:23,960
uh where, Whereas maybe that's going to be the new normal.

1748
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:25,560
But you're right, like that might have just been a

1749
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:28,520
one off thing. I still think. I don't know, would

1750
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:30,600
I would still be interested in Ivy if I'm the Pistons,

1751
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:32,479
But if I'm the Piston, I mean, if I'm another team,

1752
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:34,319
but if I'm the Pistons. Kind of like the Trey

1753
01:22:34,399 --> 01:22:36,479
Young thing, I kind of want to give this a

1754
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,159
few more weeks and months to see if like the

1755
01:22:39,199 --> 01:22:42,000
guy we think we're looking for might just be Ivy

1756
01:22:42,199 --> 01:22:44,199
if you can get his minutes back up, Like, I

1757
01:22:44,199 --> 01:22:44,680
don't know.

1758
01:22:45,359 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, the guy, the guys who are approaching restricted free

1759
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:52,039
agency or so even the Kobe White going into understreeted

1760
01:22:52,039 --> 01:22:54,640
free agency. It's so tough because of them going into

1761
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:56,680
the more open market or semi open market, and you

1762
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:58,159
have to pay them, So how much are they willing

1763
01:22:58,159 --> 01:23:01,239
to get? And then also we're talking about maybe not

1764
01:23:01,279 --> 01:23:03,279
with all three of them, but they could all be

1765
01:23:03,319 --> 01:23:05,840
considered problematic archetypes where there.

1766
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:06,359
Speaker 2: Are these days.

1767
01:23:06,399 --> 01:23:08,159
Speaker 1: None of them are league guards and none of them

1768
01:23:08,199 --> 01:23:10,399
are true wings, and so what's the value on them.

1769
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:15,680
Did you give any thought to any of Minnesota's bigs, Randall,

1770
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:16,920
Knas or Rudy Gobert?

1771
01:23:18,079 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 2: Not really, Maybe I should have. I mean I mentioned

1772
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:24,720
Randall in it when you had Devincenzo on the board.

1773
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:29,359
I keep circling back to like you paid reed As

1774
01:23:29,399 --> 01:23:32,439
if you kind of anticipated a bigger role for him.

1775
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:34,479
I think, I mean, I don't know, Like with the

1776
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:37,399
new cap, maybe that's not as that five for one

1777
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:40,239
twenty five isn't quite what it seems like. But at

1778
01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:42,840
the very least you're comfortable with Reid taking on a

1779
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,039
larger role if you trade one or your other bigs,

1780
01:23:45,159 --> 01:23:48,359
So like, for that reason, I think it probably should

1781
01:23:48,359 --> 01:23:52,039
consider at least Randall and Gobert. But like we talked

1782
01:23:52,079 --> 01:23:55,039
last time about how Gobert is just like it's terrifying

1783
01:23:55,079 --> 01:23:58,119
how important he seems to be to the team right now. Yeah,

1784
01:23:58,159 --> 01:24:00,239
so I don't know if you can you do.

1785
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:03,560
Speaker 1: I don't know that I had anyone else that stands

1786
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:07,239
out or if there's even just mega duper swings. Jaron

1787
01:24:07,319 --> 01:24:09,840
Brown doesn't seem like a good one to talk about.

1788
01:24:10,079 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 2: No smaller scale like Nick Claxon Jared Allen are guys

1789
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:16,560
I could see moving. I don't know what you're getting.

1790
01:24:18,119 --> 01:24:21,119
Speaker 1: I give up some nasty stuff for Jared Allen.

1791
01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:24,600
Speaker 2: Still a team that just needs a center like I

1792
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:26,600
and maybe that I don't know if the calves feel

1793
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:31,520
like what real quick? Are you panicking on the calves?

1794
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,039
Are you like more inclined to do something or you Oh,

1795
01:24:34,119 --> 01:24:36,199
I forgot we talked when we talked last time, You're like,

1796
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:38,600
they're coming out of the East, they got no problems.

1797
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:42,239
Speaker 1: Well I wouldn't say no problems. The Knicks exist, and

1798
01:24:42,319 --> 01:24:44,560
if the Magic ever get healthy, they also exist. In

1799
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:48,079
the Pistons exist. But I just they've been so injured

1800
01:24:48,079 --> 01:24:50,960
this year. I know what I know. Darius Garland hasn't

1801
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:53,119
looked great and I know people wanted more from Evan Mobley,

1802
01:24:53,119 --> 01:24:54,600
and I know it feels like a lots on Donnovan

1803
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:58,359
Mitchell shoulders. But I don't know. I'm just not come

1804
01:24:58,399 --> 01:25:02,560
talk to me after January fifteenth or something. I suppose.

1805
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:03,199
I don't know.

1806
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:06,079
Speaker 2: It's one of those where I feel like Minnesota had

1807
01:25:06,079 --> 01:25:09,239
this at some point last year where we started to

1808
01:25:09,279 --> 01:25:12,359
panic a little bit, and it's like, how silly that

1809
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:16,359
looked in February or March. You know. The Cows kind

1810
01:25:16,359 --> 01:25:18,760
of feel like that team where it's like we'll look

1811
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:20,640
back and be like, hey, remember when we thought the

1812
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:22,239
Cavs had like a real issue.

1813
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:26,079
Speaker 1: I was funny, but we're not. You know, this isn't

1814
01:25:26,239 --> 01:25:28,800
This might be us overthinking it too, because they're eighth

1815
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:30,960
in the East and the only team in the second

1816
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:34,880
aprin and so there's a level of just there's urgency area.

1817
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 2: I mean, the Wolves weren't exactly cheap last year when

1818
01:25:37,039 --> 01:25:38,840
they were going through it, and we were concerned.

1819
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:43,159
Speaker 1: But also the West is brutal, yeah, and the East

1820
01:25:43,319 --> 01:25:46,520
is you know, no, I think the.

1821
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:50,680
Speaker 2: Real issue is like if Darius Garland just is gonna

1822
01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:53,800
the toe is just never going away, and this is

1823
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:55,159
just who he is for the rest of the year.

1824
01:25:55,199 --> 01:25:56,800
Then it's like, I don't know what you do to

1825
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,399
solve that problem because that's the guy you would trade

1826
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:02,560
and you can't him because he's hurt. But unless that's

1827
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:05,840
the that's gonna be the way things are. It's hard

1828
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:07,960
to get too worked up still about Cleveland.

1829
01:26:09,159 --> 01:26:11,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't what would be the Where would you

1830
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:13,600
be at? Is it the thirty five? Like is it

1831
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:16,119
just give it half the season and then like we'll panic,

1832
01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:19,119
or because they are as we're recording, there's they're twenty

1833
01:26:19,159 --> 01:26:19,920
seven games in.

1834
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not it. That's not insignificant. I'd say, like

1835
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:26,840
I'd give it another Well, I what I want to

1836
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:28,439
say is like, let me see all four of those

1837
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:31,199
guys healthy for a while, and what it looks like.

1838
01:26:31,239 --> 01:26:34,279
Speaker 1: They've played like fifty seven minutes or something insane.

1839
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,760
Speaker 2: That's the thing. And but then the counter is like, well,

1840
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:38,880
that's not going to happen before the trade deadline, Like

1841
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:41,800
you're not going to get three uninterrupted weeks of all

1842
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:44,720
four of those guys healthy before the deadline. So it's

1843
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:46,920
kind of unfair to say I'd like to give it till, say,

1844
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,560
February fourth, or so, but.

1845
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, because when is when is Mobi? How long is

1846
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:52,880
he supposed to be out for?

1847
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:56,399
Speaker 2: I think it's two to two to four weeks we have.

1848
01:26:57,920 --> 01:26:58,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, that might be.

1849
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 2: You're in, you're an You're less than a month from

1850
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:02,319
the deadline by the time he's back.

1851
01:27:02,399 --> 01:27:05,079
Speaker 1: And it's also a calve strain, So that's the that's

1852
01:27:05,079 --> 01:27:07,239
the you know Tom Haberstrozer just wrote about this, or

1853
01:27:07,279 --> 01:27:09,359
you though, no, like this is right?

1854
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,239
Speaker 2: What's going on with calves? This is I mean it

1855
01:27:12,359 --> 01:27:12,760
feels like.

1856
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:14,199
Speaker 1: Going on with calves and calves.

1857
01:27:14,279 --> 01:27:17,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, look at us. We should stop right there.

1858
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:19,800
Uh and maybe we will. You got anything else to add?

1859
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:21,399
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think there's any Well, now that you

1860
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:24,039
have me panicked on the calves, should they be? Would

1861
01:27:24,079 --> 01:27:26,880
you could you have done? If you really wanted to

1862
01:27:27,239 --> 01:27:29,760
be ultra specific, you could have just picked Evan Mobley

1863
01:27:30,279 --> 01:27:32,239
and thought they might have gone for your honest.

1864
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 2: Hmm, sure, I mean that'd be a risky move. I

1865
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:38,319
don't know how much that.

1866
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 1: That's a one player swing, because it's not they're not

1867
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:43,520
moving mobile for anything other than don't they might even

1868
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:45,479
have moved yet mobile for your honest, but they.

1869
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Speaker 2: Might not and he's not really been in the rumor

1870
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mill at all, but that hasn't didn't really stop us

1871
01:27:51,039 --> 01:27:54,119
on some of our other picks either. Yeah, that that

1872
01:27:54,199 --> 01:27:57,520
what would be the ultimate the like, this guy has

1873
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,840
a one percent chance of getting traded, but if he

1874
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:03,399
does get traded, you're getting everything you can't take Wimby

1875
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:06,479
or Jokic or Sga. Devin Boole is a pretty good

1876
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:09,560
one because like, it's not zero it's not it's not

1877
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,880
a zero percent chance that the Cavs would trade Mobile

1878
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:13,600
if you honest were available.

1879
01:28:13,279 --> 01:28:16,319
Speaker 1: If it was for Jannest But what's the other player is?

1880
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:17,319
It's just him?

1881
01:28:17,399 --> 01:28:19,359
Speaker 2: Right, That's why you just pick you Honis in the

1882
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:21,840
draft exercise, because he's way more likely to be traded

1883
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:24,439
and you'll get someone like Mobiley probably if he does.

1884
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Speaker 1: I had thought the other some other names, so I

1885
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:28,960
did mention Naji Marshall throughout the draft. That felt like

1886
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,720
a safe he could get X, but it's would the

1887
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:34,520
MAVs actually move him. I thought about Max Christy too

1888
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:36,479
a little bit, where he's not a really good good

1889
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:39,000
for that matter. Goffer, Yeah, that's a good one as well.

1890
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:41,279
So Derek Livey would have been fun if he never

1891
01:28:41,359 --> 01:28:43,039
got injured again and out for the season, he might

1892
01:28:43,039 --> 01:28:43,319
have made it.

1893
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Speaker 2: That's such a bummer. I just I just like, I don't.

1894
01:28:46,279 --> 01:28:48,119
I don't love the foot injuries for the big guys.

1895
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:49,279
That doesn't You can't.

1896
01:28:50,119 --> 01:28:52,600
Speaker 1: Could you have talked to yourself like or is there

1897
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:54,720
just no value here? What about a Jimmy Butler?

1898
01:28:56,560 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 2: I mean, he's so if the Warriors do anything beyond

1899
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:04,479
the cominga stuff like Draymond Green is is someone that

1900
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:07,600
I would probably move before I moved Butler at this point,

1901
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:09,039
just because he's looked so bad.

1902
01:29:10,079 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 1: I just could they they're never gonna trade him, I

1903
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:14,600
don't think trading And what do they get for him?

1904
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:16,279
If they do, I think you probably still get more

1905
01:29:16,319 --> 01:29:16,840
for Butler.

1906
01:29:17,279 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 2: I think you do too. The thing is like, if

1907
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:22,640
you're trading Butler, you're probably trying to we run into

1908
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:24,079
this all the time. You like, want a guy that

1909
01:29:24,159 --> 01:29:26,520
does the things Butler does, but who's better than Butler?

1910
01:29:27,119 --> 01:29:29,479
And who's giving that guy up for Butler at his

1911
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:32,199
age with his contract? Like it's yeah, it's a weird,

1912
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:37,560
weird thing. He could I mean, if he is someone

1913
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:40,159
I could imagine if they're getting in the Anthony Davis

1914
01:29:41,119 --> 01:29:44,880
bidding situation or Giannis or whatever like it. Almost Butler

1915
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,520
almost has to be in that deal, just otherwise you're

1916
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:49,159
giving up half your team for that kind of Wait.

1917
01:29:49,199 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 1: Can you even get to Davis's money without including Butler

1918
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:52,159
or Draymond?

1919
01:29:53,159 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 2: Uh? Well, you start with kaminga, but that's only what

1920
01:29:56,079 --> 01:30:01,199
twenty two something this year? Yeah, yeah, you probably have to.

1921
01:30:01,279 --> 01:30:02,760
Just Butler just has to be in it.

1922
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 1: I guess it would be funny if they ended up

1923
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:10,159
somehow trading Jonathan Camo for Andrew Wiggins back. That'd be funny.

1924
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 2: Can I tell you something, I'd love it. I'd be

1925
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:16,920
doing backflips every time I watch the heat. I'm like,

1926
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:20,199
there's my guy. I'm always gonna love Andrew Wiggins.

1927
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 1: That might be the perfect spot to end it, unless

1928
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:25,439
you have anything else to add.

1929
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:27,319
Speaker 2: Nope, I just want to say hi to my buddy

1930
01:30:27,359 --> 01:30:29,000
Andrew and wish him well.

1931
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Speaker 1: A preemptive welcome back.

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Speaker 2: We're always, We're all anytime you're ready, buddy, bring it,

1933
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:38,319
come on back. That's gonna do it for us. Thanks

1934
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everybody for listening, for watching. Please weigh in, because this

1935
01:30:41,199 --> 01:30:43,640
was a convoluted sort of exercise where you could have

1936
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:47,319
gone a lot of different convoluted pejorative. It was a

1937
01:30:47,359 --> 01:30:49,520
tricky You could have gone a lot of different ways

1938
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:51,600
with these picks, So let us know who you would

1939
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:54,439
have gone with if you're balancing likelihood of being traded

1940
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:58,520
and return package. Also, just let us know who won

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01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:00,199
the draft, because we're gonna have to wait like two

1942
01:31:00,239 --> 01:31:02,159
months to figure that out.

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Speaker 1: I think it was Dann, but no pressure everybody.

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Speaker 2: I kind of think so too, but that's okay. Let

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us know what you think about silver dollars. Are you

1946
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:12,239
jealous that I found one in my house? I know?

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