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We're gonna hammer right into this one. My homie Mark,

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who was the vocalist from Metal Church and Ross the

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Boss Huh and uh, let us pray and old friends

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from back in the day. We get into some wild

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stuff at the end, so listen all the way through

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the first half of music. In the second half gets wild,

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So without further ado, listen right now.

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Speaker 3: By four.

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Speaker 4: Tu wild, we.

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Speaker 2: Have a leftof gues. Once again we have lift off.

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I want to thank you for tuning into this first

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inaugural episode of twenty twenty six of the podcast. I'm

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stoked to be here with my man Mark, who is

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an old friend and an accomplished singer and vocalist in

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the metal world and also producer, graphic designer, video production

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guy like like a lot of us, a man of

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many hats because you because you gotta have different hustles

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and grinds to get by in this world. Nowadays you can, oh, yeah,

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it'd be great to survive on one hustle, but unfortunately

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for creatives that's not always an option. But but mack Man, uh,

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the last time you came on, we were we were

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in person. But now you're doing the smart thing and

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you're snow burden on the other side of the country

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and the world climate. It snowed here again. It snowed

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more this year already than I think all of all

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of last winter.

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and I mean I like snow. You know, I'm not

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you know, obviously it comes from there. And I've always

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liked snow, a little bit of snow, and you know,

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of course Christmas and stuff like that always makes it

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kind of cool. And I was laughing because it's snowed

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Christmas Eve just a little and then the day after Christmas.

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it's cool because you know, you know, especially on the

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holidays when the gym's closed, you're like, all right, I'll

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go shovel. That counts as a gym.

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Speaker 5: Day, you know, right right. Yeah, And and then my

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and then my car got totaled it was parked in

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the snow. Yeah that was fun.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it was It was a very interesting visit

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home for the holiday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my shovel in the snow, and and I was

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like it was funny. After the second time, I'm like, yeah,

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it's time to go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cool to have that option. That's the other

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just in general though, like about having different hustles, is

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that a lot of the stuff you can do you

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can do from wherever. Right, So that's.

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Speaker 5: Like the best you know, is being able to like

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do like recording bulk. You know, I've been involved in

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a ton of like recording you know, projects and stuff,

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and I do that all myself. So I can do

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that from pretty much anywhere, you know. Yeah, and then

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the graphics and the video stuff I mean, I do

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it from hotel rooms, airport, so whatever. And it's great,

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you know, I mean technology, you know, technology is great

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for stuff like that, you know what I mean. It's amazing,

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you know, and and I'm grateful for that because gosh,

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you know, you know, when I was doing just the building,

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doing the construction stuff for a long time, which I

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still do periodically, but you know, I couldn't leave the

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area because that's where everything was, and you know, so

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it was a different story, different story then, you know.

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But now now unfortunate enough that I pick selects projects

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that I like to come home to and do them

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and then I can leave again, you know. So so

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you know, but hey, you know what, it took a

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long time to get to this point.

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Speaker 4: You know, like yourself, We've done a lot of work.

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Speaker 5: We've earned where we are, you know just what it

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is we put the work and the time in and

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then then you know, get get some of the reward

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Sure, I'm still the idiot that's so anchored down with

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bricking mortar businesses that I'm just like, yeah, but I

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love it and hate it, you know what I mean.

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I'm not complaining. I'm just saying it. You know, everything's

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a every there's a lot of days where it'd be

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like it'd just be easier to have a regular ass

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nine to five job. I wouldn't like it, but it'd

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be easier. It's definitely easier, you know what I mean.

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But but yeah, you know, it is what it is.

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Speaker 5: But in the long run, it's you know, I always said,

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like I was just like explaining this to some other people,

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is that if you're going to be a slave.

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Speaker 4: To the system, so to say, at least be your own.

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Speaker 2: Boss, be your own slave master. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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I get you know, so in.

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Speaker 5: No way, in that way, it's a little bit. It's

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a it's one level left to bitch.

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Speaker 2: A ball, absolutely no, no, and and obviously it's tired

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of a bitch when you've chose this path, right, so

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it's like, yeah, you know, you get what you asked for.

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But yes, also you know, as much of a struggle

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these things are when you're when you were crawling your

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way or like scraping or fighting your way through this

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life and on your own terms, there's a gratification to

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that that that isn't that someone who just has a

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normal ninety five doesn't experience.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, like you know, I'll go into the

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the music realm of things because you know, that's a

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extremely difficult place to excel. Sure, and I've been very

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very very very fortunate to you know, be doing what

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I do at the level that I do it at.

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But the one thing that I always can look back

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at is that did it my way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know it took me a long time, but

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I did it my way.

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Speaker 5: And I didn't you know, didn't have to be a

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dick about it, or you know, be a diva or

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have all these any kind of outrageous demands like so

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many people do. It was just having a standard, you know,

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having integrity, having you know, a code. You know, you know,

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you're like me, we're old school in a lot of

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those ways. And I think that carries over more now

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than ever before, because that integrity, that stoic you know,

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that stoic stance at just standing by your your thing.

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There's not a lot of that. People just seem to

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bend the knee just to get to the next place.

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And I'd rather I'd just rather not, you know, And

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and and especially at this point, no, you know, no way, dude,

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I'm not going to start now, and if that means,

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you know, maybe doing something less or whatever, then so

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be it.

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Speaker 4: But I don't believe. I don't believe that if you push.

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Speaker 5: That kind of energy out that you're going to get

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it back, because it's non negative, you know, it's just

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that you're making a stand for yourself, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think one thing just as like a

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as an observation, and you can correct me if I'm wrong,

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in the game, like we were in high school, like

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t I you know, we talked about this on the

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last episode. Yeah, but we go back a long way,

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like the late eighties and stuff, and you have a

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long time in the game, and you uh, you know,

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you honed your craft, and you know, like not only

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you do vocals, like I know you play stuff, and

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I know you program stuff, and I know you engineer,

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and you you've you've like getting involved in all aspects

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of your craft, right, but when you found like when

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a good foundation behind you. So you're going into it

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with a way better mindset and more level headedness than

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if you found that level of success maybe when you're

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in your twenties and you're got do you know what

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like you're going to you you found you got, you

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kicked up, You leveled up when you already had a

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lot of experience and wisdom behind you. So that gives

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you probably more respect for it. But also you're smarter

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about things than you know, if we found out levels

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of success when we were twenty and we were just idiots,

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lot funner. It probably would have been a lot funner,

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Speaker 5: It would have been done a long time ago, we

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all being rehab or yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And and honestly, and and respect to you too,

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it's you found this level, you leveled up when you

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were already sober, like you know you, I mean, well, that.

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Speaker 5: Was the that was the that was the interesting thing.

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Like I had just started to be sober and then

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the opportunity came and I ran with it, you know,

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And it was scary because you imagine you're trying to

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you're just sober and you're on tour and Booze is

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free everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I.

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Speaker 5: Think I think the thing that saved me is because

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I was so green to touring and doing things at

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that level that I was so concerned about the show

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and the performance that that kind of automatically was taking

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a back seat. Thank the Gods, you know. Yeah, And

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so yeah, that was that definitely. I mean, yeah, if

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we would have got this in our in our twenties,

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oh gosh, you know, you know, we would have been Yeah,

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we probably wouldn't be doing it.

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Speaker 2: Now, you know, Yeah, we probably wouldn't be having both

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here and having these conversations in this conversation.

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Speaker 4: Nope, not at all, you know.

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Speaker 5: But I mean, but it's interesting because you you know,

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like I probably said this before, but like when like

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at this level, when I'm I'm when I'm playing, like

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you know, like for instance, I've just played hell Fest

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this past summer, right, like the biggest festival now.

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Speaker 4: Right, and I was like I was.

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Speaker 5: Still a fanboy, like some of my favorite bands that

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I'd never seen before or haven't seen a gazillion years

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or whatever, we're playing, and I was super excited about that,

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and you know it, it puts you in a different

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I always feel like the fans still even though I'm

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in it and I'm doing this stuff at the level

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that everybody else is mostly doing it except for.

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Speaker 4: The tear bier tear bands, but you know, and it's

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but I'm always there.

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Speaker 5: I'm just like I'm a fan and I talked to

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everybody and and so happy to be there and it's genuine,

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It's it's just the way i am happy to be

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there and excited and I'm on the side jamming now

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so many times I laugh, you will watch it, you know,

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while they're cool, which I'm I'm on the side of jamming,

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you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know, and I think that's another thing too,

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like that for finding kicking up, leveling up at this stage,

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you're not as jaded as if you've been doing it

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for this level of touring for thirty years, you know

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what I mean, Because you talked like I know, we

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both know a lot of guys that have been around

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and doing this stuff forever and they don't even come

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out of the back room, where like I'll still go out,

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you know, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's brutal, and you know, it's kind of it's

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it's interesting because like I've I've definitely had you know,

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issues with that with people that I play with because

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they have been doing it far longer obviously, And.

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Speaker 4: And I get it, you know, tired or whatever.

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Speaker 5: We're all tired. I mean, that's no matter what you know.

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But the one thing that I always keep I always

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say it is I'm like, you have to remember why

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you're here, no matter what you know. We're all tired,

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and you have no idea what you're even coming out

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to say hi, to take a pitch of whatever could

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mean to somebody. It really could. And I don't I

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think they sometimes that gets lost And I get it.

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I mean I do understand it. But at the same time,

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I still am like, well, you know, if you're here

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getting X amount of dollars to do with performance and play,

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then the least you could do is, you know, be

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cool with the fans, you know, for real. And I

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mean I've seen some I've seen some really shitty things,

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you know, and without naming.

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Speaker 4: Names, but I definitely have seen some shitty things.

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Speaker 5: But I'll also be the first person that goes in

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the back after and go, what the fuck, dude, that.

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Speaker 4: Was fucking lame.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll call everybody out.

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Speaker 2: Again. Having found level of success later in life, you

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don't you just give less of a shit about stuff

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like that.

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Speaker 5: I know, what are you going to do?

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Speaker 2: Whatever?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And sometimes you know, people need that, man, one they

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need they need your enthusiasm and your genuine, genuine excitement

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about things to reinvigorate them and to sometimes people need

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to be called out and knocked off little dumb pedestals

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that don't need to be there, like you know what

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I mean. Like sometimes people need to be humbled and

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reoriented to you know what this all is. Like. You'll

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be stoked that you can do this, like you know

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what I mean, because how because if you don't want

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to do it, there's forty thousand other bands that would

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love to take your spot, dude.

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Speaker 5: That's the thing, you know, no shortage exactly.

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Speaker 4: And you know in.

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Speaker 5: It's like, you know, there's people like what you just

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say though, they don't want to face any of that,

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and they'll just they'll avoid it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, they'll be like I don't want.

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Speaker 5: To deal with that, you know, and just just the

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way it is, and they think they can blow things

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under the blanket and you know, swipe it away like

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it's going to go away. It's like, nah, dude, you're

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still a dick, you know what I mean, You're still

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a dick. Doesn't matter who the fuck you get or

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whatever the thing is, You're still a dick.

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Speaker 4: And that's just the fucking way it is, you know

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what I mean.

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Speaker 5: And you don't want to hear it because you think

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it's holy than thou, whatever, great, whatever, And that's great

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if you want to live your life like that, that's

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that's cool. But I you know, I'm good. I don't

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want to be there, you know what I mean. I

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I you know, I know too many way better people

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and I don't want to be around that. You know,

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I don't need that negativity. I don't like it, especially

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honestly at this point after everything that I've seen over

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the last couple through two three years, you know what, dude,

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have at it, man, you know, it's like I've been

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so disappointed by so many people that that has having

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climbed even up further up the ladder. It was like,

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I'm gonna be honest, it really was kind of earth

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shattering at some points, be like Oh my god, I

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can't even believe that this is this is even a

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thing at this level.

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Speaker 4: Why are we what's going on here?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 5: Why is this even happening? It's very mind blowing, you

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know what I mean, because because so you and I

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it would it makes absolutely no common sense. There's no

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sense in it. What what Why are we even having

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this conversation? Why is this even an issue? Right famous?

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And but it's there, and it's there. And if people

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can make, you know, they say that, you know, they

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make the smallest thing huge and you're like, what, you know,

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that's that's nothing. You know, what are you doing? You

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know you should be happy to be to be doing this,

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and you know, and no, no, no, it's the end

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of the fucking world to some people. And it's like

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you're just sitting there going, oh my god, I don't

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I don't understand this, you know. And then it becomes

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a problem when it starts to affect your income, because

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this is job, that becomes a problem. And that's when

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that's when things in bands get ugly. And that's yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Anybody that knows knows exactly what I'm talking about. And

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it's that's when it gets ugly because now you're not

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just now it's not just having a disagreement about the

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color of the logo on the album cover or whatever.

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Now you're talking about like, well, shit, you know this

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month's rent, Where the fuck am I going to get it?

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Because I'm on the I'm supposed to be out on

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the road. Now you're not going to go on the

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road because you pull the hissy fit. And now I

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have like two weeks to try to figure out how

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to make a monch worth of money salary because now

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I'm not going.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you had counted on that as being income

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that was coming in and now it's pulled out from

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under you. And and you know, not everyone has a

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healthy you know, right, has a bank account to fall

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back on type.

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Speaker 4: Of thing, right, I mean, you know obvious.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I I'm smart enough to always plan for

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a disaster because they do happen. But at the same time,

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it's like, you know, you're planning. You know, people don't

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understand it, Like a lot of a lot of people

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don't understand it. When you're doing your touring and all

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these things, it's like you're planning six to a year out,

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six months to a year out ahead. You're in twenty

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five and you've already you've already planned it to the

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end of twenty six, right, yeah, and if you pull

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the plug on all that, you know, a year's worth

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of stuff or whatever, and then you're big. You know,

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as you say, he is left there with the dick

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in your hand. Really, you know what I mean, because

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you're like, well, what, well, what you know? Because you

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just you changed everything you you you've you've you've modified it,

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you know, and then you have to adapt, you gotta change,

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which is it's just the nature of the beast that happens.

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I get that, and you know, not sitting here whining

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about it. I'm just trying to explain that circumstances like

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that can happen, and it's a it's very unfortunate, you

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know that. You know, those tips of things happen and

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people let you down, and you know it, and hence

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why like people like us, we have our own businesses

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because then that can't.

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Speaker 2: Happen, or if it does happen, it's a contingency and

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you know what I mean, it's it's something and then

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we can.

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Speaker 5: Right exactly, you know, when you're when you're in an organization,

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so to say, and you know, you have a say,

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but you don't have every all to say, which is

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fine whatever, But when when a certain part of that

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mechanism polls and then the whole thing collapses, you know,

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then you really don't have any option to just you know,

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sit there and you know, hope that it can be resolved.

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But you know, but when when you're handling your own thing,

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then it's you know, you you you adapt, you pivot

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and you do you think.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, well that's why it's good. Like you know,

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with your video stuff or your or your production stuff,

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or your graphic design stuff like or even your construction stuff.

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It's like you don't have to rely on any anybody else,

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Like like, no one can pull the rug. The only

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person that can pull the rug from under you is you, exactly.

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You're probably not going to do that.

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Speaker 5: No, and the thing too, you know obviously sometimes jobs

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might fall through.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something happen, but you know.

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Speaker 4: You're one of those you just go and find something else.

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Speaker 5: You just have a you know, a way of doing it.

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And that's you know, that's when we would that comes

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back to a round. Sometimes I wish it worked at

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nine to five. You just have to wake up in

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the morning, you know. But then you do it and

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you're like, fuck, this sucks. I wish I had my

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own well, and most of.

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Speaker 2: The time when you're working a nine to five, you're

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making some rich guy richer, you know what I mean. Like,

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you know that depends what you're doing, you know, it depends. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I remember I worked for this big shed company there's

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a long time ago, and you know sheds, you know,

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it's big money, big.

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Speaker 5: Big money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And I was like, you know, we're knocking these you know,

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ten thousand dollars sheds out in.

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Speaker 2: Like a day or two. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I'm saying to myself and I'm getting how much

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an hour?

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Speaker 2: I'm like, what, no way, because any if you're smart

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enough to go all right, materials, is this much?

473
00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:18,839
Speaker 4: Right?

474
00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 2: This is how much I'm getting paid. And then it's like,

475
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,039
all right, so is this much profit? Where's that going?

476
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 3: Yeah?

477
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,839
Speaker 5: And I'm like I was like, nah, dude, I'm like no,

478
00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:28,680
I can't that.

479
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 4: That can't happen.

480
00:24:29,839 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I was the smartest thing I was the day,

481
00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:35,000
you know, I was like, wow, you know, already like

482
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,319
like six months down the road, you've already made like

483
00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:39,599
fucking three times what you would have made if you

484
00:24:39,599 --> 00:24:41,680
would have stayed. You know, you're like a lot, you know,

485
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,440
and uh, it's a skill, and you know every if

486
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,880
you have a skill, then go for it, man, because

487
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,599
you're really you know, you're only gonna if you really

488
00:24:51,599 --> 00:24:54,400
want to put one thousand percent into something, you'll definitely

489
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,960
benefit from it, you know. Yeah.

490
00:24:56,039 --> 00:24:59,279
Speaker 2: So this is the first show with twenty twenty six,

491
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,960
right two twenty five. In a lot of ways, it

492
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,559
was was one of it was probably one of the

493
00:25:05,599 --> 00:25:07,680
wilder years on record, right, you know what I mean,

494
00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:11,160
like in general, like in all different aspects of things

495
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,119
like recap, Man, what was your twenty twenty five? Like,

496
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,119
cause you when you when you came on, was it

497
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,119
twenty five? No, it was you came on with twenty Oh.

498
00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 5: Dude, I can't dude, I was on I had just

499
00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:24,119
got that gig, So it was twenty twenty three.

500
00:25:24,279 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 2: Okay, So yeah, it's been a couple of years. So

501
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,000
what's uh the twenty twenty five recap? What was going

502
00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:32,319
on with Mark? You know what I mean? What happened?

503
00:25:35,599 --> 00:25:40,799
Speaker 5: I uh, yeah, twenty twenty five that Let's see, how

504
00:25:40,839 --> 00:25:49,240
can I put it. I mean, business was fine, you know,

505
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,000
definitely did a lot of graphics. I did some We

506
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:55,519
did some really good touring with Ross the Boss, went

507
00:25:55,519 --> 00:26:00,039
to Australia, usually successful. We did our first full We

508
00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:04,880
did like three dates in Turkey, which was way better

509
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,519
than you could I could have thought, especially it was

510
00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:10,559
just when they had had those big riots in this

511
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,319
damn buol. And I remember we basically decided that morning

512
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,480
when we were taken the plane over whether we were

513
00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:21,000
going to going on because we didn't know what it

514
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:23,200
was going to be like over there. And I'm glad

515
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,640
we did, because you know, medium makes it a lot

516
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,240
worse than what it is. Sometimes it's all I can say.

517
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,920
And we went there and we were welcomed with open arms,

518
00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:39,640
treated amazingly. The people were awesome, Yeah, totally awesome.

519
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 2: They're probably even more appreciative that knowing that you're coming

520
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,799
when there's turmoil going on, like right, a lot of

521
00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:48,039
people were to cancel, but when you show up, people,

522
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:50,920
especially in countries that don't get a lot of shows

523
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,359
like that, they're super appreciative.

524
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, and especially in a country like that where there's

525
00:26:55,759 --> 00:27:01,000
definitely a lot of cultural differences. Yeah, you know, but

526
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,279
I think again, the media blows all that stuff up

527
00:27:05,319 --> 00:27:09,680
a lot more than we even realized. You know, you're

528
00:27:09,759 --> 00:27:12,359
there and yet and it's interesting because that was a

529
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,519
very eye opening trip because there was a lot of

530
00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:19,440
aspects of their culture that I never I didn't understand.

531
00:27:20,079 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 4: And luckily I have some really good friends.

532
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 5: There and we had had a conversation, you know, like

533
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,799
adults should, and I learned a lot and I was

534
00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:33,920
glad I did because it gave me a better understanding

535
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,920
I did that I didn't know before. So I mean,

536
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,400
that's probably one of the things. That's one thing about touring,

537
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,799
especially in my position, that I'm so grateful for, is

538
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:52,559
that I've experienced so much different kind of cultures. And

539
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,400
you know, when you go to like a like Turkey,

540
00:27:55,519 --> 00:28:00,160
or you go to Russia or you these these these

541
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,240
places are totally different than the West.

542
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,279
Speaker 4: You know, but at the same time than not you

543
00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:08,799
know what I mean.

544
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,279
Speaker 5: So it's a but you would never know that if

545
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:14,200
you just watched the news, you would never know these things,

546
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,400
you know. So that was very that was definitely cool.

547
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,440
So yeah, and you know, we did we did Europe

548
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,000
in Denmark and Hellfest, we did a ton of really

549
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:25,200
awesome festivals Spain.

550
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 4: We do really well in Spain.

551
00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:32,039
Speaker 5: But you know, the roster boss thing is it's it's

552
00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:34,279
all it's it's man of war stuff, you know.

553
00:28:35,559 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 4: So and don't get me wrong, it's so much fun.

554
00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:40,559
Speaker 5: I love it. I mean, nothing's it's it's such a

555
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:44,039
good time, you know. And the crowds are always enthusiastic,

556
00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:44,359
you know.

557
00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 4: But yeah, I.

558
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,279
Speaker 5: Mean, and and and yeah, the elephant in the room

559
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,319
is definitely at that. You know, for most of twenty

560
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,160
twenty five, there was no nobody knew what was going

561
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:09,680
on with Mental Church, and we basically, I mean when

562
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,920
Midal Church canceled the tour in twenty twenty four, there

563
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:17,480
was a lot of things going on behind the scenes

564
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:20,720
that we kind of just we didn't make public obviously,

565
00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:25,319
and we kind of with you know, people get mad,

566
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,000
people have disagreements, and we kind of just let things

567
00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:32,920
lay for where they were in hopes that maybe, you know,

568
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,799
we can have a conversation like adults should if there's

569
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:39,960
a disagreement, resolve in one way or the other right,

570
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,960
you know, whether it's yes or no, whatever the case

571
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:43,279
may be.

572
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:47,599
Speaker 4: But there was no communication.

573
00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 5: For that whole time, and and you know I had

574
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,440
I did a lot of interviews and a lot of

575
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,640
people were always asking when I that I didn't know

576
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,400
it was the truth. I did not know, you know,

577
00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:06,279
the last thing that I had heard, I kind of

578
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:09,079
got to be honest and be one hundred honest. I

579
00:30:09,119 --> 00:30:13,279
there was definitely some some half truth to what was

580
00:30:13,319 --> 00:30:16,640
going on, and I went along with it only because

581
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,119
I didn't feel you know, I still felt that if

582
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,039
we were if there was, they need to be conversations

583
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:28,160
before anything could be said, you know. So you know,

584
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:35,920
I had a lot of I definitely wasn't a happy person,

585
00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:40,799
so you know, personally, I had to deal with a

586
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:43,359
lot of in the demons when it comes to that

587
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,000
stuff because I worked so hard and to just not

588
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,640
get any kind of respect of an answer for anything,

589
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,359
no matter what it was, after the amount of work

590
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:56,359
that I put into that band. Yeah, that didn't go

591
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,079
over too well with me for a long time, so well,

592
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:02,480
you know, I had to Definitely that was always in

593
00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:05,200
the back of my mind. I wish it wouldn't have

594
00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:08,359
I wish it wouldn't have overtaken me as much as

595
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,440
it did. But my passion for what I do is

596
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,519
so intense that's the part to bother me, you know,

597
00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:19,079
you know, financially that sucked too.

598
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,839
Speaker 4: But again, like we talk and make it up in

599
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:22,759
other ways.

600
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,839
Speaker 5: So it really wasn't that. It was more in a nutshell.

601
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,480
Now we've come out to where we are now, it's

602
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:38,440
basically no integrity, the cowardest the cowardice of not confronting

603
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,000
any of the issues, whether good or bad, didn't matter.

604
00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:47,960
In my book, that doesn't work you know where you know,

605
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,000
because we come from the same place. That doesn't fly.

606
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:54,559
If there's an issue, no matter what, it is easy

607
00:31:54,599 --> 00:31:57,240
I freaking take it out in the schoolyard. So to say, well,

608
00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:00,200
you have that discussion and you know each person and

609
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,960
goes fuck you, and then that's the end of it.

610
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,319
But when that doesn't even happen, that's a that's a

611
00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:08,400
tough nail to bite, you know. And then you know,

612
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:11,920
obviously the conclusion of it is to find out everything

613
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,519
on the internet. That was the ultimate fuck you and

614
00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:21,799
that does not bide well with me personally, which will

615
00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:23,720
be addressed in another time.

616
00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 4: But yeah, so so that was a big you stinging

617
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:30,119
to me.

618
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,839
Speaker 5: Thankfully I was still able to play and do stuff

619
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,519
with Ross, which I'm eternally grateful for and it was awesome.

620
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,559
But yeah, I mean, it definitely was a rough year

621
00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:42,880
coming off the tail end of that, and then obviously

622
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,640
towards the end of the year when all that other

623
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,720
stuff came out. You know, I definitely wouldn't say I

624
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,359
would want to be in the same room as me,

625
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,720
But you know, we got through it, and it's how cool.

626
00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:56,400
But and but in a strange kind of way, out

627
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:03,440
of that, amazing stuff happened, right. I finally got new

628
00:33:03,559 --> 00:33:07,319
let us pray my band, finally new stuff coming out

629
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:14,519
in February, got a new deal for it, got offered

630
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:18,160
a sol solo deal, so to say.

631
00:33:18,279 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 4: I call it a project because I don't like the

632
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:20,720
whole solo thing.

633
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 5: It's weird, and that was offered to me and it's

634
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:29,240
it's a wild concept, and I'm really excited about that.

635
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,319
And then I've been fortunate enough to be I just

636
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,440
did this yacht metal thing that actually it was the

637
00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:38,640
craziest thing I never thought I would do in a

638
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,599
million years. I had a blast and it charted. How

639
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,240
crazy is it that it charted. I didn't even know

640
00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:46,480
what was coming out. And the label calls me to

641
00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:49,880
like oh yeah, it's coming out tomorrow, okay. And then

642
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,200
then they're sending me text message it's number seven. What

643
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,160
what are we talking about? They're like yeah, it's it's

644
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,640
like it's number seven in the chart.

645
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, od, yeah, yeah.

646
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 4: I was like, wow, okay, that's that's pretty fucking funny.

647
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,799
Speaker 2: Okay, So what's what for people that might not be familiar,

648
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:08,000
what's what's yacht metal?

649
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 5: Well? I mean basically it's all metal covers of yacht

650
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:17,239
rock song y Yeah and Mine Mine Wash Magic from

651
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,400
the band America. And it was cool because they kind

652
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,000
of like they let me do what I wanted pretty much.

653
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,079
And I remember, you know, there's a part in the

654
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,519
song if you know, the song where it goes dude,

655
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,000
and I was coming up to that going how am

656
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:37,800
I gonna do this? And I remember, you know, I

657
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,280
like had like eight eight to ten layers of vocals,

658
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,440
and you know, I was like, oh, well, you know

659
00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:45,719
kind of sounds like the record type of thing, you know,

660
00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:48,920
And I was like, I don't like that.

661
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,599
Speaker 4: So I go I told the label, I like, yeah, yeah,

662
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:56,000
I'm gonna try something here. Let me know you think.

663
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:58,079
Speaker 5: So, you know, I changed the whole thing up, and

664
00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:00,960
then they ended up changing it again and putting with

665
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:02,320
what I did, and.

666
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,119
Speaker 4: I was like, wow, this is really cool. So I

667
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:04,559
like that.

668
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:10,679
Speaker 5: You know, it's Cleopatra Records and they're awesome. I love

669
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,199
working with them. I've already done like four different projects

670
00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:16,800
with them. I did a Rainbow tribute that's not out yet,

671
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:21,639
and that was wild because I mean I would do

672
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,119
some of the deal stuff and I mean, it's the deal,

673
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,119
you know. I mean it's kind of sacred territory. And

674
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,400
I remember there, you know, there was certain things about it.

675
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,480
I was like, you know, I don't I don't feel

676
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,480
that I'm going to do this any justice there. And

677
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,079
they're like, no, no, no, do it. You know, do

678
00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:43,000
it how you would do it. And I'm like, okay,

679
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,760
you know, so so I did it. And I remember

680
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,239
sending it in going there hate this man, this is

681
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:54,239
you know, oh this is great, and I'm like, wow, okay.

682
00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:56,159
Speaker 4: All right, great man. I well, all right, well that's

683
00:35:56,159 --> 00:35:56,639
another one.

684
00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:58,039
Speaker 5: And then you know, I just got asked to do

685
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:01,239
a deep purple one, and you know, so it keeps

686
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:01,800
me working.

687
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 4: I'm in the studio.

688
00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:06,639
Speaker 2: Are you are you doing all the are you recording

689
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:10,039
all the music yourself on these two like all the vocals, Yeah,

690
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,920
just are they sending you the tracks? Are you recording

691
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:13,559
like yeah.

692
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, yep, yeah and whatever. Whereas like with the

693
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:20,039
would let Us Pray, it's two of us and we

694
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:21,840
do everything. Yes, that's a totally different thing.

695
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:22,119
Speaker 2: Yeah.

696
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 5: No.

697
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 2: No, With like those covers, are they like who's the

698
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,800
back in band or is it like well, that's the thing.

699
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 5: Well, that's the thing is that they got all these

700
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,159
these cats, you know, dudes from like Saxon and Ausy

701
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,360
and all these like well known established people, and you know,

702
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:41,599
you don't find out who's on the track till it's done.

703
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,199
Speaker 2: Okay, that's kind of cool, right.

704
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 5: I did this one track for I thought it was

705
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,960
it was weird because when I got the track, it

706
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,039
didn't sound metal and it was it was kind of

707
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,400
reminded me of like an offspring type of thing. Right,

708
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,719
So they were like, you know, I go, you know,

709
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,480
how do you want me to sing this? Still? Like,

710
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:06,360
because they sent me a vocal guide, just a simple

711
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,840
vocal guide from the person who wrote it, and I

712
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,960
was like, well, it sounds very you know, kind of

713
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,159
punk pop or something like that. And I'm like, you know, no, no,

714
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:18,079
no singing, singing the way you sing. And I'm like okay,

715
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,199
and I'm like, what is this for? And at first

716
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,440
it was they were like, oh, it's gonna it was

717
00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:25,079
like this soundtrack for like this kind of like b

718
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,280
horror movie type thing. And I'm like, oh, okay, I

719
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,679
kind of get the idea, you know, well when I

720
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,840
get the track. Finally, when it's done, I find out

721
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:39,320
it's for. It's been like totally redone like musically, and

722
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,239
it's Chris Poland from Megadeth back in the day and

723
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,000
Marty Freeman's on it.

724
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 4: I'm like what. I'm like, I would to sing it

725
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,119
different if I would have known that, but you know, but.

726
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:54,039
Speaker 5: It sounds cool. But you know, so it's cool to

727
00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:56,000
do stuff like that. And it's the same thing with

728
00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:59,639
this this solo thing. It's like, you know, they gave

729
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:01,559
me like they're like, we want to do like half

730
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:06,280
original and half covers and and like here's a list

731
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,280
of people that we have access to right now. And

732
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,119
I'm looking at it, going, you know, okay, and I'm like,

733
00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:14,960
so I can get this person. You're like, yeah, pick.

734
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 2: It's like a menu you're looking at like you're looking

735
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,920
at like a menu of like a taris and drummers

736
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,880
and bass players. You're like, yeah, I'll take I'll take

737
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,079
a little of this, a little of that.

738
00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 5: Little.

739
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,519
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm looking at it going.

740
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,639
Speaker 5: I wrote back, You're serious and like, yeah, you know,

741
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,239
put your dreamlets together and we'll see what we can

742
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,599
come up with. I'm like, wow, I'm like, okay, well this,

743
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,960
you know, that kind of puts a whole different spin

744
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:39,559
on her, right, And but of course I have to

745
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:42,679
have some of my guys in walls of course, you know,

746
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:47,119
especially for the original stuff. So but I still haven't,

747
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,360
like it's weird, like trying to pick the covers to do,

748
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,480
like that's been, that's been, and that's been a task.

749
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,639
I haven't really fully even decided on it.

750
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: The thing with covers, right, is that to make a

751
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,800
truly great cover, you have to take a song. I

752
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,800
almost feel like you have to you almost have to

753
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,360
take a song that no one would think you would

754
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,400
do and make it your own so that it's as

755
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,480
good or better, but in a different way than the original.

756
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 5: I agree, you know what I mean.

757
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't sound like like I would never

758
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:17,719
want to be a punk band doing a cover of

759
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,280
a punk song, like because you know what I mean,

760
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,119
unless you're gonna do something completely different with it. Otherwise

761
00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:24,599
it's just like let them let the original band sing

762
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:25,400
that song, unless it's like.

763
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, like, there's there's one cover on it that's metal.

764
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,079
That The only reason why I picked it is because

765
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:39,719
it's super obscure. It's a band that should have been huge,

766
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,320
and I was like, I could put my own cool,

767
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:47,400
different spin to it, but keep true to the tune.

768
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,360
That was the only reason why I picked out. But

769
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,679
the other ones are not metal, and I'm excited because

770
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,159
I when I hear them, I'm like, oh, imagine if

771
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:57,880
that was heavy would really cool, you know, because I

772
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,840
want to want to do something like that. And then

773
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:01,920
they start thinking, go, who.

774
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 4: Can I get to play on this?

775
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,199
Speaker 5: You know, and then that's when it gets really interesting,

776
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,199
you know, And then they aren't talking about with the originals,

777
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,400
like well, who do you want to play on this one?

778
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,039
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh my god, I even think of that,

779
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:12,360
you know.

780
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 5: So that's that's you know again, out of the dark

781
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,440
comes the Light, and that's been super super exciting, a

782
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,840
little stressful, but exciting because like now I have all

783
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,920
these things happening, I've got to let us pray things

784
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:26,119
starting to pop.

785
00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 4: That's they want that.

786
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 5: And then you know, I still doing this and again

787
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,239
totally grateful and it's awesome. But I'm like, oh man,

788
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,960
you know, actually I feel better than I did all

789
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:39,519
year stressing out about all this nonsense. And you know what, Hey,

790
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:41,719
you guys, go do whatever it is you want to do.

791
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 4: I don't care, you know, yeah, it is what it is.

792
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:44,199
Speaker 2: You know.

793
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,559
Speaker 5: The things that need to be dealt with will be

794
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:50,800
dealt with at another time, you know. But so yeah,

795
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,559
and you know, scaling up the graphics and video business.

796
00:40:54,559 --> 00:41:00,440
I just did Raven's video for their Metallica cover, and

797
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,400
I'm doing Nashville Pussy's new EP artwork.

798
00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:07,559
Speaker 2: Oh they're coming back, so.

799
00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:08,679
Speaker 5: Yeah they actually they just did a big tour with

800
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,719
Buck Cherry.

801
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they were they were like I used to

802
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:15,280
love their old old stuff, like when they were still

803
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,440
like go, motherfucker go, like when they were still like

804
00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:19,320
well and then they got more like rock and it

805
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,760
was still good. But then I haven't. I was just

806
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,960
talking about this with somebody the other who's talking about this,

807
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:28,480
like a couple of people with that, there's that whole

808
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:34,280
genre of like motor infuse speed rock punk stuff that

809
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,039
was beyond any genre, like them and Zeke and all

810
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:40,039
the stuff they used to come out on that Kozis label.

811
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:43,239
There are Man's Ruined Turboa Season stuff where it was

812
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:48,039
like really like I don't know, motor infuse like rock

813
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,840
like or speed punk and roll like weird stuff.

814
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like that motorhead attitude rock.

815
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,679
Speaker 2: Punk like weird. Yeah, it's like a mix. It was

816
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,280
like beyond every genre. And and like Nashal Pussy was

817
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,559
one of those bands and they were so good and

818
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:07,280
I just hadn't heard from him in a long time.

819
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,639
And he had the other band there, Nine Pounds Camera,

820
00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:13,480
that was kind of like that too, And uh yeah,

821
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:14,639
it's cool that they're coming back.

822
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's funny.

823
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,199
Speaker 2: How did you get hooked up with this?

824
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:25,039
Speaker 5: Ross actually was the one that recommended me to to them,

825
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,920
and uh, you know, it's a whole New York thing,

826
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,800
I guess, And uh, you know, Ross being with the

827
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,239
Dictators you can see where that you know, that that

828
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:41,519
fusion happens, and uh yeah, they they were they're awesome,

829
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,159
They're they're they're characters.

830
00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 4: In real life they're they're really cool. But it's funny.

831
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 5: You got that musician artist business crazy border a lot.

832
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:53,639
You know.

833
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:55,679
Speaker 4: You could like they'll be.

834
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:57,159
Speaker 5: Like, oh, well this and this, and then you're looking

835
00:42:57,159 --> 00:43:00,000
at from an artist perspective, like you know, a musician perspective,

836
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:00,519
and you get it.

837
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 4: But then from a business perspective, you're like, no, no, no.

838
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,119
Speaker 5: You need to you need to make that decision or

839
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:07,840
whatever because you know you're you're losing money because I

840
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:08,480
was a passing.

841
00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 4: But from a from a musician position, you're like, oh.

842
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I totally understand. Yeah, so you gotta have to

843
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,119
meld it all together.

844
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah. But that's why you're a good guy for

845
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,760
that type of job, because you get you you get

846
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,920
it from all the different aspects right right.

847
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,159
Speaker 5: And that's why it's it's I have an awesome time

848
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:23,119
worker with everybody's Like.

849
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 4: I was working with the Raven guys and I was like,

850
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:25,760
that was so cool.

851
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 5: I mean, growing up a Raven doing a metallic I

852
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:29,960
was like, oh, this is so cool, you know, and

853
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,079
then the drama from Raven's actually a really good friend

854
00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:35,920
of mine was in fair Factory, so you know, he

855
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,400
hooked me up with that, and that was really cool

856
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,079
because I love her Raven and but the Nashville pussy

857
00:43:42,119 --> 00:43:45,559
thing is so freaking This. A funny part about it was,

858
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,599
you know, I'm like, well, what do you want for

859
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:51,760
the album cover? So I want I don't want to

860
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,559
give it all the way, but one aspect it was like, yeah,

861
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:59,480
we want just like this big aorgy. I'm like what.

862
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:03,239
I'm like, like, I'm all, you know, okay, that's cool,

863
00:44:03,519 --> 00:44:06,079
and You're like, so like just these bodies are just

864
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,599
orgie and I'm thinking to myself, oh, you know, that's

865
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,360
not gonna be a big deal, dude. I had the

866
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,360
hardest time trying to freaking get reference for what they

867
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:18,519
were exactly looking for.

868
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 4: That was the part that took me the longest.

869
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,119
Speaker 5: But it was funny because the concept when I when

870
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:26,559
I think about it, it's fucking The album cover came

871
00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:30,239
out awesome, but it was it's just funny and when

872
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,440
you first heard it, like, oh yeah, big big olgie

873
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,400
what And I'm like, see, wait a second, you know

874
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:42,320
who you're dealing. Ah, yes, okay, so but yeah, I

875
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,639
mean we just finished it, so that's cool. And it

876
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,599
got delayed because they went on that tour. So it's

877
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,960
like an EP of ten inch It's pretty cool. So yeah,

878
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,079
so yeah, that was Yeah, you know, get to do

879
00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:55,719
stuff like that, it's really it's really really really cool.

880
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,159
Speaker 4: So yeah, you know, getting to separate that.

881
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 5: And I mean I got so many gigs obviously from

882
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,639
my musician friends and a lot of them, you know.

883
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,800
Now I got into doing. Another thing that I got

884
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:12,320
started getting into was because of video production stuff. All

885
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:18,559
the big festival screens and we did one for I

886
00:45:18,599 --> 00:45:21,840
did one for hell Fest and you know, obviously I

887
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,119
can't hardly see him playing, you know, so you see

888
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,719
videos online and it's like, you know, when you see

889
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,760
your work up on a ninety foot screen, it's like

890
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,360
that's all that's cool, you know. So I've been offering

891
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,079
that now because a lot of people like I go

892
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:36,840
to these shows and see some of these back and

893
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:37,800
I'm like, what is that.

894
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm like, I go, hey, hey, what's going on?

895
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 5: Man? By the way I do this, you know.

896
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the cool thing is that a lot

897
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,400
of places now, instead of like a curtain, they have

898
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,920
a digital thing, so you can get way more creative

899
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,239
with it. And I remember, I don't know how many

900
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,920
years ago it was now, probably seventy years ago, Like

901
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,920
when Black Sabbath did another tour with Ozzie and it

902
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,440
was all the original members except for the drummer. They

903
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,719
played at Great Woods, and the backdrop it was all

904
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:10,079
it was just all the stuff you would want for

905
00:46:10,159 --> 00:46:12,559
Black Sabba. It was just like you know, nuclear testing

906
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:15,719
and all right, all armageddon doom stuff, and it was

907
00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:18,679
it added so much to the show, to the ambiance

908
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,559
if it's done right, it like it made it way

909
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:24,280
more damn like this is like you know, doo me

910
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,079
Black Sabbath, and it was like, yeah, this is look,

911
00:46:26,119 --> 00:46:28,840
I'm looking at armageddon right now and this makes one

912
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,599
hundred sense.

913
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 5: A perfect example of that. And I'm so happy. My

914
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:41,400
favorite band in the universe is Iron Maiden. And I

915
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,800
remember going to the last tour, not this this one

916
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:49,000
that's happening, but the last one, the future past tour, right,

917
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:53,679
and I was like, these guys are still using god

918
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,320
damn back drops, but it's.

919
00:46:56,159 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 2: A different backdrop for every song. I was at that thing.

920
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,679
This is crazy. That's when they came out with high right,

921
00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:03,920
they had the inflatable, but it's been the.

922
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,119
Speaker 5: Same stage twenty five fucking years. Yeah, and I'm like

923
00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:10,280
one of these guys. And then finally this tour, it's

924
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:14,159
insane digital screens, but the way that they're doing it

925
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:18,880
all I was like, finally, this is exactly what you always.

926
00:47:18,559 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 4: Wanted from Iron Maiden.

927
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,119
Speaker 5: And you know what, maybe they waited because you know,

928
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,039
it took took the technology to catch up to where

929
00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:29,480
they really wanted, because that from what I've seen, because

930
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,599
it hasn't come to the stage yet, but the technology

931
00:47:32,679 --> 00:47:35,119
is just off the wall, looks like you know, this

932
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,840
stuff looks three D like it's coming out and it's

933
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,760
like off a screen, and that's pretty hard to do

934
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,920
on that scale. Yeah, so you know, maybe that's why

935
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,880
they waited, But I thank the gods they did it

936
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,639
because I was like, I can't take another told goddamn backdrops.

937
00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 2: Well, you know, they seem to have stuff pretty dialed in,

938
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,880
and they seem to be pretty smart about the band

939
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,119
and the business. So like it's probably what you said.

940
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,199
I mean, yes, I mean they got their own was.

941
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:02,599
Speaker 5: Always That's why I could never figure it out. I was,

942
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,079
I don't understand. I mean, these guys are like the

943
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,239
you know, the top of the game, you know what

944
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,920
I mean, why are we I mean, I have a

945
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:11,800
I have.

946
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,079
Speaker 4: You know, I can respect the whole nostalgic aspect of it, but.

947
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 5: We've been doing this for a long time, you know,

948
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:19,880
nostalgia just kind of passing us with that we need

949
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,920
to move on. So when I saw that they were

950
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,159
doing it, was it was just like yeah, and I mean,

951
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,239
I mean, I'm never gonna give away what I know

952
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:28,599
what I've seen, but.

953
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,639
Speaker 4: What the way that they're using it.

954
00:48:31,039 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 5: They're not doing it like anybody else, which hats off

955
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,079
to them for that. You know, if you're gonna do it,

956
00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:39,760
then they're gonna do it. And that's how I made mentality.

957
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,960
So it makes sense, you know. But I'm I'm super

958
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,119
psyched to see that this tour because even more so

959
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,119
because of that in the Setless rules.

960
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: But so you're working on a solo record and a

961
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,440
Lettus Pray record simultaneously bouncing between the two or like

962
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,480
how does that work? Like how do you manage?

963
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,519
Speaker 5: Well? Well, well, here's what's interesting. So me and John

964
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:09,880
I've been working with my music partner and let Us

965
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,679
Pray now for gosh fifteen years. Like wow, I'd look

966
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,960
back and I'm thinking how much we've only got one album.

967
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,960
But obviously I got sidetracked because of all the stuff

968
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:24,159
that I was doing. But I always figured that that

969
00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:28,440
would help with that, you know. Sure, but we ended

970
00:49:28,519 --> 00:49:34,280
up now we're sitting on god like forty to fifty.

971
00:49:34,039 --> 00:49:36,039
Speaker 4: Songs, you know.

972
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:43,559
Speaker 5: And but here's what the interesting part is that I like,

973
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:46,920
we had had had a second album written, right, but

974
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:51,079
that album's not relevant now to us, and we've grown

975
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:55,079
and so you end up like, oh, right, well this

976
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,239
we did this, and then we're like, oh, but these

977
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,960
songs are way cooler, and you kind of put thus

978
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:01,800
off to the back burner and you're like, these are cool.

979
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,639
And then you know, he's a machine. He's constantly constantly

980
00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:09,480
writing all the time. Now, just like anything else, not

981
00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:12,760
everything's going to be exactly the you know, the the

982
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,679
you know, the the top a saw. I mean, none

983
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:17,719
of it's not junk. It's just like maybe it's not

984
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,559
something that you would use. So what happens is now

985
00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:25,559
and because he's very versatile, I'm versatile, and we have

986
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:27,800
a lot of different influences, you start to hear that

987
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,159
there's different things that might fit, might not fit. And

988
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:34,800
even though I don't like having boundaries. I came to

989
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,119
with a point where would let us pray there was

990
00:50:37,199 --> 00:50:40,639
something that I wanted to do that I felt wasn't

991
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,000
being done within the genre of of that kind of metal,

992
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,920
and I was like, I really want to hone in

993
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,360
on that for this going forward. So you have a

994
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,719
ton of material back here that's not would not fit.

995
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:59,320
So what I'm doing is some of the stuff that's

996
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:02,679
gonna end up on this thing will be some of

997
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,800
these unused type of things. But I'm also working with

998
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,599
a couple of other writers because I don't want it

999
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:10,000
to sound like a letters Pray version two or.

1000
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,159
Speaker 4: Something, you know what I mean, And I don't want

1001
00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:13,119
to approach it like that.

1002
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,559
Speaker 5: So you know, it's it's kind of cool though, because

1003
00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:19,280
you're going back to these these older risks, but and

1004
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,199
now you're looking at them different. It's like, all right, well,

1005
00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:24,039
this isn't gonna this isn't going for this, This is

1006
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:27,599
going for this type of thing, you know. And so

1007
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:31,639
that that that's been a little tricky, And for me,

1008
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,719
it's melodies and stuff are not hard to come up with.

1009
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,320
And this is gonna sound probably crazy to some people,

1010
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,920
but lyrics are the part for me that holds me

1011
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:48,360
up all the time because I'm a I come from

1012
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:54,880
a school where lyrics means something sure, and I feel

1013
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,039
that whatever I put down, I got to mean it.

1014
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:01,920
And I mean for myself, because don't get me wrong,

1015
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,840
I've definitely written stuff for other people, you know, other

1016
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,320
songs that I've done with that you know, they fit that,

1017
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,639
you know, like like ross stuff, right and about swords

1018
00:52:12,679 --> 00:52:15,920
and shields or whatever. You know, that's that's cool.

1019
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 4: I would never put that in my stuff, but for.

1020
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 2: That, yeah, it works, you know.

1021
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 5: So it was and it was stuff we grew up with,

1022
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:23,800
and I'm going to say, I don't like it, you

1023
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,360
know what I mean. I love all that fantasy stuff too, obviously,

1024
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,599
but it wasn't something that I wanted to purvey because

1025
00:52:29,639 --> 00:52:32,119
I feel like with my own my I have a

1026
00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:37,400
personal mission, you know, and so making sure that I

1027
00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:40,480
say what I want to say within the art form

1028
00:52:40,519 --> 00:52:42,840
that I'm trying to create is very very important.

1029
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 4: I'm sure you can relate to that as well, and

1030
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:49,000
you know, and so that's probably why.

1031
00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 5: But then also I've come to the point in my

1032
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,079
life where I'm like, all right, you you have to

1033
00:52:55,159 --> 00:52:58,039
just start you get to that point where you you

1034
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:01,599
think everything has to be perfect as an artist, you know,

1035
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,400
you're like, oh my god, it's gonna be when you

1036
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,800
then you have to come to the realization that, like

1037
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,079
when you start doing stuff at this pace and things

1038
00:53:10,159 --> 00:53:13,639
need to happen, you have to put a kebash on

1039
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,119
it and go all right, I'm forcing myself. And that's

1040
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:19,239
not a bad thing, because that's actually a really good

1041
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:23,039
thing sometimes because it forces you to pull that creativity

1042
00:53:23,079 --> 00:53:26,400
because in my belief, which I think it already exists anyway,

1043
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,039
So it's like pulling it out of the universe and

1044
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:30,280
going here, it is getting.

1045
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,079
Speaker 2: The download, getting the download.

1046
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 4: Exactly what do they call the Arcaseian you know, the

1047
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:38,719
thing that Einstein said.

1048
00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:44,119
Speaker 5: Or whatever, the quantum the quantum, right, I'm right, yeah, exactly.

1049
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,519
And I was like, yeah, I mean it, that makes

1050
00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:50,039
sense because it is there. It's already there. You're if

1051
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:52,480
you're already thinking about it, it's already starting the thing,

1052
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,480
and you're overcoming.

1053
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,199
Speaker 4: That whole fear of putting it down on paper, so

1054
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:57,639
to say.

1055
00:53:57,679 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 5: You know, so with this letters pray thing, I was

1056
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,639
psyched because it kind of came quick, you know, and

1057
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,239
because we weren't really planning I was playing.

1058
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:10,039
Speaker 4: I kept talking and always always some.

1059
00:54:10,119 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 5: Kind of excuse, you know, of why, and it always

1060
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,719
came down to like, I don't know, it's gonna be

1061
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,159
you know, it's gonna be the greatest thing since you know,

1062
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,920
freaking the invention of you know, chocolate milk or whatever.

1063
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,519
And it's like, dude, that's not gonna happen, you know.

1064
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,199
So it was like force me. It's like, all right,

1065
00:54:26,199 --> 00:54:28,960
I'm doing this, and we're doing it and and here

1066
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,840
we are. You know, I'm psyched about that. It was.

1067
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,800
I always felt that you're going to open the gate

1068
00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:35,960
and then move on out, you know, so, which is

1069
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,039
good because then it couldn't have happened at a time

1070
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:40,159
with everything that's going on, you know.

1071
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,039
Speaker 2: And now that you have a deal, it's cool too.

1072
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:44,960
Now that you have a deal too, it's cool because

1073
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,519
it sounds like you guys will just keep making fucking songs.

1074
00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:49,840
So like if if you've got a label, that's like,

1075
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,239
all right, give us these songs and we're gonna put

1076
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:52,559
it out.

1077
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:58,599
Speaker 5: Like like, here's the thing that's great is that I've

1078
00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:02,559
you know, dude, the business model is so different now

1079
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,159
of way things are released. Yeah, and I mean, you know,

1080
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,559
obviously we come from the school of having the record

1081
00:55:08,679 --> 00:55:13,119
and the ten songs, eleven songs or whatever. But I mean, unfortunately, nowadays,

1082
00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:15,639
because of downloads and stuff, it's like, you know, you

1083
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,360
get a record and like in a week it's old,

1084
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,440
and then there's ten songs and probably only three are

1085
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,960
focused on and then the rest of just throwaway. And

1086
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,559
I'm you know, I'll be honest, I've seen that in

1087
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:36,000
a certain thing where I was told, don't worry about

1088
00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:39,559
this amount of songs in the record. Just do what

1089
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:41,440
you need to do so we can finish them to

1090
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,280
meet the date. But you know, focus on these because

1091
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,920
it will be the singles type of things. Okay, I

1092
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,159
don't feel very good about it, but at that time,

1093
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:56,239
I was just doing my job right, And that's that's

1094
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,840
cheap to the to the fan as far as I'm concerned.

1095
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 2: You know, so because you're still looking at record as

1096
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,440
like the whole package. You're still looking at it as

1097
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,840
the whole package, Like I want this art in my hand,

1098
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,679
I want to read this stuff as i'm as I

1099
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,360
want to read the lyrics as I'm looking at as

1100
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:11,760
I'm listening to the song. I'm going to listen to

1101
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,360
the whole record all the way through. The problem is

1102
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,599
is that we still we were dinosaurs, not right, But

1103
00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:19,239
I think a lot of the people that still listen

1104
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,239
to metal are like that though, you know what I mean.

1105
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:22,920
It's more than other genres, you know.

1106
00:56:23,559 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, And when the thing is is like even you know,

1107
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,000
I remember this told to me so long ago, and

1108
00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:29,239
then now we stuck with me?

1109
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,039
Speaker 4: Was that the order of the songs? Matter?

1110
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,159
Speaker 2: Of course, you gotta build up. That's part of the story,

1111
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:37,400
that's part of the record.

1112
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,199
Speaker 5: The way that Master of Puppets was track listed, do

1113
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:41,719
you think that was just random?

1114
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:42,039
Speaker 2: Now?

1115
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 4: Building all that shit was done the way.

1116
00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 5: I mean, could you have appreciated Operation Mind Crime? If

1117
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,800
they were randomly just put singles out, the story would

1118
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:53,920
have never mattered.

1119
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 4: That's the difference, right.

1120
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 5: But in today's thing, and also for my own purpose,

1121
00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:05,719
we came up with the idea of finishing a song,

1122
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,280
releasing it and not trying to do the whole thing

1123
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,840
at once. So so that's what we're doing. One song

1124
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,639
every couple of months. That's how it is, and then

1125
00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:16,280
at the end of.

1126
00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:19,239
Speaker 4: The year it's a package.

1127
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,199
Speaker 5: And then if you want it, you get it. If not,

1128
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,800
you can listen to any individual songs you want. Now,

1129
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:24,840
will we always do that?

1130
00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 4: Who knows? I don't think so.

1131
00:57:26,719 --> 00:57:28,599
Speaker 5: You know, like the solo thing, that's gonna be all done,

1132
00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:31,039
that's gonna be all one, you know. But for this,

1133
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:33,920
for the for the you know, for the sheer reason

1134
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,400
of getting it moving again and getting it out there

1135
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,079
instead of dumping you with ten songs and trying to

1136
00:57:40,119 --> 00:57:43,840
consume this. Here's one and then let us sit and

1137
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,199
then here's another. Now there's been gosh, what was it?

1138
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:50,559
Soil work? They had did that on a on A

1139
00:57:50,679 --> 00:57:53,159
like their an album they did a couple of years ago,

1140
00:57:53,679 --> 00:57:57,039
and they didn't even release it physical, and I think

1141
00:57:57,039 --> 00:57:59,679
they ended up doing like a special edition just on tour,

1142
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,480
but they only released the digital. When they were releasing

1143
00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:06,159
they released every song until the date. Then it was

1144
00:58:06,199 --> 00:58:08,599
all one. And I was like, well, you know, that's

1145
00:58:08,639 --> 00:58:10,920
kind of cool because it kind of it gives you

1146
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,760
something to look forward to and it keeps it new, right, So,

1147
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,000
and with the short attention spans of today, that's that's

1148
00:58:18,039 --> 00:58:18,960
kind of necessary.

1149
00:58:19,079 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Now, is there a method to the order

1150
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,519
that you're releasing this? Like, do you got are you

1151
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:28,199
building building up a story with these songs, like you

1152
00:58:28,239 --> 00:58:30,039
know what I mean. Like it, it sounds like you

1153
00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:31,840
kind of have a little plan there. You got a

1154
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,239
theme something you're building.

1155
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, it definitely has It definitely is building up a story.

1156
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 4: And you know, I have a I love it because

1157
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:42,559
I keep it like this.

1158
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 5: It's a basic layout, but as it goes along, because

1159
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,239
we do a lot of stuff spontaneously, you know, we'll

1160
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,199
lay things out and then what you get at the

1161
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:55,079
end never is what we started with, you know. I mean,

1162
00:58:55,079 --> 00:58:57,880
it's basic there, but it's a variation. Like for instance,

1163
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:02,280
with this new song coming out, there's this crazy keyboard

1164
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:06,760
like thing going on and I that wasn't in the

1165
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:11,480
song until I finished the vocals, and then I I

1166
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,679
by accident, came up with this whole thing, and I

1167
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:19,239
rearranged the song and I had to record some of

1168
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,320
the vocals over again to make the song make it

1169
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,960
all said, But I love stuff like that. That's exciting

1170
00:59:25,639 --> 00:59:28,639
when you get that excitement of that spontaneity you hear it,

1171
00:59:29,239 --> 00:59:31,239
you know, instead of everything's planned out and it's going

1172
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:32,679
to be like this, I don't know.

1173
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,639
Speaker 4: I kind of like I think that's part.

1174
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 5: Of the art.

1175
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 3: Of it.

1176
00:59:35,079 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 5: I always really like like leaving, leaving some of that

1177
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,880
that openness and that creative.

1178
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 4: Flow, you know.

1179
00:59:42,639 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I find that exciting.

1180
00:59:44,599 --> 00:59:47,199
Speaker 2: And I feel like with the way you're doing it,

1181
00:59:47,239 --> 00:59:50,400
when you're releasing the song a month, that gives you

1182
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:54,360
more time to do stuff like that because you deliver

1183
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,639
an album. Yeah, you get you're focusing on that song

1184
00:59:57,719 --> 01:00:01,199
for that month, not not work on trying to get

1185
01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:02,559
twelve songs out together.

1186
01:00:02,639 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 5: You don't exactly exactly, yeah, And that's the part I

1187
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:09,239
like about it is because you know, even though I

1188
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,079
still have to make sure that I kick myself and

1189
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:12,960
he asked to get it done because you're.

1190
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 4: Like, oh, well I have time. No, you don't, you know,

1191
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:15,960
because then when you.

1192
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 5: Say that, you're already at the end going fuck, I

1193
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,559
gotta get it done by tomorrow. But uh yeah, So

1194
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:24,519
that that that's why I wanted to do it like this,

1195
01:00:24,639 --> 01:00:29,280
because I I want to dig into each song as

1196
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:33,599
its own entity, you know, its own its own existence.

1197
01:00:33,719 --> 01:00:37,760
For me, that is, if it's mine, that's what I

1198
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,800
want to do, you know what I mean. If I'm

1199
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,840
working for somebody else, obviously that's another story. But if

1200
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:47,440
it's mine and it's that personal, it's an expression of myself.

1201
01:00:48,119 --> 01:00:49,719
Then that's how I want to do it, you know

1202
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,199
what I mean, And hopefully people you know will like it.

1203
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,239
Speaker 4: I'm not writing for anybody else. That's one thing I

1204
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,800
made sure is I write for myself.

1205
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,519
Speaker 5: And you know that philosophy comes from the people that

1206
01:01:02,599 --> 01:01:05,280
I look up to, you know, like George Lucas. I

1207
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,239
always I always loved it that he was like, yeah,

1208
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:10,280
you know, I did what I wanted to do and

1209
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,920
if it resonated then great, and if it didn't, so

1210
01:01:15,079 --> 01:01:18,400
be it, you know, And and I admire people like

1211
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:22,719
that because that's how innovation happens. You have to take chances. Now,

1212
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,559
am I saying is going to be innovative? No, I'm

1213
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:27,800
not saying that. But what I'm saying is that I

1214
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,400
know that I was true to myself to that and

1215
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,840
for me personally, that matters. And you know it's and

1216
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:35,840
you know, obviously you can only do that kind of

1217
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,880
thing to a certain degree on other projects, but it's

1218
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:43,119
other people involved, right, So you know, when you have

1219
01:01:43,239 --> 01:01:46,159
that chance, I feel, you know, this is what it is,

1220
01:01:46,239 --> 01:01:48,519
and and it's cool because you know, thank the Gods

1221
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:53,920
that you know, John is such a he's he's been patient,

1222
01:01:55,480 --> 01:02:00,440
you know, he's been very and you know, and uh

1223
01:02:00,639 --> 01:02:03,880
but he gets it and you know, he's like, it's

1224
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,639
done when it's done, man, And I'm like, you know

1225
01:02:06,679 --> 01:02:09,679
what I'm like, and I I'm always thankful that he was.

1226
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:11,800
It was like that, you know. Now finally I'm like,

1227
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,199
all right, baby, you know, I got us a new deal.

1228
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:15,599
We're doing this and let's go.

1229
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 2: You know. Is that on Cleopatra as well? Yeah's cool.

1230
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:23,760
They do Cleopatra, I know they do. They did some

1231
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:25,679
of the dancing stuff, right.

1232
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:27,079
Speaker 4: Dude, they did.

1233
01:02:27,199 --> 01:02:30,079
Speaker 5: I didn't. That's the funny part is when I I

1234
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:35,400
didn't really fully understand what Cleopatra was until I started

1235
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:39,119
to work doing stuff for them and realizing, like, you know,

1236
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,880
that's where ministry started. They did tons of stuff with Motorhead.

1237
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:45,280
You know, they had a number one album with freaking

1238
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:49,639
William Shatner his record number one that was them, you know,

1239
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,119
and like like, for instance, think was it. They just

1240
01:02:53,159 --> 01:02:59,079
released the Dangerous Toys. Their demos it's charted. It's like

1241
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,599
they are very you know, and they got wrap, they

1242
01:03:02,599 --> 01:03:05,119
got pumped, they got new wave, they got all kinds

1243
01:03:05,159 --> 01:03:07,039
of stuff. And I love it. The people are great,

1244
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:10,960
they're open minded and they're willing to take chances, and

1245
01:03:11,719 --> 01:03:15,679
who does that these days? You know, I'm like, I'm

1246
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,920
so grateful that it kind of it kind of like

1247
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:19,760
just it happened upon me.

1248
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:21,079
Speaker 4: I didn't go seek it.

1249
01:03:21,079 --> 01:03:24,719
Speaker 5: It just happened. And you know, so far, so good.

1250
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,199
Everywhere work every it works great. It was working really good,

1251
01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:31,679
and hopefully it continues because I just I love being

1252
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,559
able to just do what I do.

1253
01:03:34,239 --> 01:03:38,519
Speaker 2: You know, Oh no, sorry to me to come no.

1254
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,880
So so so as you're writing your record and the

1255
01:03:44,039 --> 01:03:47,000
let us pray that you're not really taking on working

1256
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:50,880
with other people as far as writing wise, and uh,

1257
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,639
do you got anything coming up touring wise? Is there

1258
01:03:54,679 --> 01:03:55,960
any more ross stuff coming up?

1259
01:03:56,079 --> 01:03:56,679
Speaker 5: Or yeah?

1260
01:03:56,719 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 4: We got right now?

1261
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 5: All we have is some festival stuff in the spring

1262
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:04,760
that haven't hasn't been announced yet, and we got a

1263
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:09,519
lot of you know, again, the whole thing with torn

1264
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,880
and if anybody is in it, they'll know it's all

1265
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:20,519
about budgets. Now that's the reality. And unfortunately the you know,

1266
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:25,920
especially overseas, it's the you spend all your money getting

1267
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:30,960
there and at the end of the day, you're you know,

1268
01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:33,840
if you're not careful, you mean, you're playing for nothing.

1269
01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:38,320
And you know, I mean, I guess it depends on

1270
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:39,559
the on who it is or whatever.

1271
01:04:41,199 --> 01:04:43,239
Speaker 4: But you know, at this point, why are you playing

1272
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:43,679
for nothing?

1273
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 5: You know what I mean? You know, and but you know,

1274
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:48,239
obviously it depends on.

1275
01:04:48,199 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 4: What it is or whatever.

1276
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:57,119
Speaker 5: I mean, but it's it's really fans don't understand fully,

1277
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,639
you know, they don't they don't realize that that you know,

1278
01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:04,400
to get four people from the States from all over

1279
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:08,239
the place over to Europe, it's you know, it's thousands

1280
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,519
of dollars. Yeah, you know, and if you're not like

1281
01:05:10,599 --> 01:05:12,480
you know, you have to remember these festivals got a

1282
01:05:12,599 --> 01:05:14,119
hundred bands on it, then you.

1283
01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:16,639
Speaker 2: Know they're not paying you as like a headliner if

1284
01:05:16,639 --> 01:05:19,000
it was your own tour, if it was your own tour, right.

1285
01:05:19,719 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, I mean, you know, you you're you only

1286
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,320
get what what what the market is going to value

1287
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,800
your worth? That's really what it comes down to. And

1288
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,760
that's just that's with anything. What the name of the

1289
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,079
game is what is your value?

1290
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 4: So like for instance, like you talk about like you know,

1291
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,599
what's my value? Like that's why I do so many

1292
01:05:40,599 --> 01:05:41,320
different things.

1293
01:05:41,639 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 5: I can you know, I could sing, I can write,

1294
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,079
I can design, I can do this. So I have

1295
01:05:46,159 --> 01:05:48,440
a little bit more value because of all these things

1296
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:49,360
that I can do.

1297
01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:53,239
Speaker 2: Where you bring a lot to a project, yeah.

1298
01:05:52,599 --> 01:05:55,199
Speaker 5: Exactly, where some people just they have to be hand

1299
01:05:55,239 --> 01:05:56,880
fed everything in age your show up.

1300
01:05:57,039 --> 01:05:59,159
Speaker 2: There's some people that are vocalists that don't even write.

1301
01:05:59,159 --> 01:06:01,119
That's like, all right, give me the vocal give me

1302
01:06:01,159 --> 01:06:02,679
the lyrics, and I will sing them, you know, and

1303
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:04,599
they might be the best singer. But you know what

1304
01:06:04,639 --> 01:06:06,440
I mean, well, you know.

1305
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,079
Speaker 5: That again, that was that was part of the part

1306
01:06:09,159 --> 01:06:10,880
of the thing with the Whole Metal Church that drove

1307
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,360
me insane was I wrote that whole record, the last record.

1308
01:06:14,639 --> 01:06:17,400
I was the first singer in the history of the

1309
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:21,639
band except for way back when with David Wayne that

1310
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,400
wrote you know, all the melodies and all the all

1311
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,880
the all the lyrics and all the vocals.

1312
01:06:27,079 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 4: I did everything myself, and.

1313
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 5: I got shoot for it, you know what I mean.

1314
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,440
And but at the time I was like, all right, well,

1315
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,639
you know, this is my opportunity, and you know, I

1316
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,239
went full board, you know to That's why I said,

1317
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,559
you know, to kind of get totally disregarded and disrespected

1318
01:06:44,639 --> 01:06:46,519
in that way after doing that amount of work that.

1319
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 4: Was you know, that was tough. But yeah, I don't.

1320
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,280
I I don't let any I really don't. I don't want.

1321
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 5: I don't let anybody do my stuff. I can't. I

1322
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,840
just don't. I mean, unless I'm hired to do it,

1323
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,000
that's a different story. But if I if I'm involved

1324
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:03,519
in something, I just I don't know.

1325
01:07:03,559 --> 01:07:04,639
Speaker 4: I just it's just what I do.

1326
01:07:04,679 --> 01:07:07,639
Speaker 5: And put it twitter this way. With the amount of

1327
01:07:07,679 --> 01:07:11,119
things that I've done, I feel that I've I've earned

1328
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,039
the credibility to be able to do it, you know

1329
01:07:14,039 --> 01:07:16,559
what I mean. And and that's it. I mean, you

1330
01:07:16,599 --> 01:07:18,199
know again, I'm at that point of the game. I

1331
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:19,840
just that's just it.

1332
01:07:20,159 --> 01:07:23,119
Speaker 4: I know, I know what I want to do, I

1333
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:24,719
want how I want to do it, you know.

1334
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,559
Speaker 5: And you know, and again you know, obviously, if I'm

1335
01:07:27,559 --> 01:07:30,960
working with different people and they don't like it, then

1336
01:07:31,159 --> 01:07:34,199
I have to rewrite it or I'm always open to say, hey,

1337
01:07:34,199 --> 01:07:38,199
well what's your idea. That's always a thing, right, nothing's better,

1338
01:07:38,239 --> 01:07:40,159
And I mean that goes around the whole spectrum of

1339
01:07:40,159 --> 01:07:42,760
the world, you know, But.

1340
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:46,039
Speaker 4: Then what's your suggestion? Well, I don't know, then what

1341
01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:47,039
the fuck you're talking about.

1342
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,719
Speaker 2: If you've got a criticism, have a have a solution.

1343
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 5: Yes, right, exactly exactly, So you know, I mean, I'm

1344
01:07:56,320 --> 01:08:00,480
not I'm not I am not opposed to anybody's ideas.

1345
01:08:00,719 --> 01:08:02,159
You know, I'm not that guy. I don't want to

1346
01:08:02,199 --> 01:08:04,320
hear what you have to say. That's not what I'm saying.

1347
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,760
I'm just saying that I like to do my own thing.

1348
01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:10,079
And you know, here's what I got. And if you're like,

1349
01:08:10,119 --> 01:08:13,119
oh my god, that's terrible, then all right, well then

1350
01:08:13,119 --> 01:08:15,440
I have to rewrite it, and I don't do that's happened,

1351
01:08:15,719 --> 01:08:16,199
you know what I mean.

1352
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:17,239
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

1353
01:08:18,039 --> 01:08:20,079
Speaker 2: And at some point right like it's like, you know,

1354
01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:22,720
it's if it's constructive and it's for the good of

1355
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,760
the project and it adds to the project, well fu

1356
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,760
yeah right cool, Like shit, I didn't see it like that.

1357
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:30,600
That is better cool, Like you know what I mean.

1358
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:31,720
It was like, no, yeah, and.

1359
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,119
Speaker 5: Dude, the thing is is that has happened, and that's fine.

1360
01:08:34,119 --> 01:08:36,239
I'm not opposed to that, dude. Yeah, you know what

1361
01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:36,479
I mean.

1362
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 4: I'm totally hey, and and I'll be honest, if.

1363
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:43,119
Speaker 5: Somebody presented me with something and it was like way

1364
01:08:43,119 --> 01:08:46,479
cooler than what I was. That's cool, or maybe some

1365
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,079
of it and some of this, yeah whatever, as long

1366
01:08:49,119 --> 01:08:51,319
as it works for the greater good of what we're

1367
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:53,359
trying to do, that's all I'm saying. But I always

1368
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,840
end up, you know, instead of freaking trying to pull teeth,

1369
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,520
it's just like, well, I'll just do it myself. Yeah,

1370
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:01,359
So you know that's how I end up doing so

1371
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,760
much of it, and just do it myself. So and

1372
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:06,079
I may we don't have to depend on anybody else.

1373
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 2: Ye that these days, no, exactly. So. So the I

1374
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,800
think the burning question from fans of Ross to Boss

1375
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,119
and man War, and this ties into probably why I

1376
01:09:16,119 --> 01:09:17,760
see you at the gym every day is when is

1377
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,760
uh when you're back home? When are the loincloths and

1378
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:24,560
swords and in fur and fucking when's all that coming back?

1379
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,800
Because I think that's gonna up the ticket, that's gonna

1380
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:30,039
up the value, that's gonna it's gonna boast you up

1381
01:09:30,079 --> 01:09:30,840
in the festivals.

1382
01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:34,159
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I might be the only one that

1383
01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:36,119
might meet Sean, might be able to be the only

1384
01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:41,640
ones to get away with that. You know, Sean already

1385
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:43,680
plays with no shirt, so he's already.

1386
01:09:43,399 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 2: Half he's halfway there.

1387
01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 5: You know. I got to know, sleeves, that's all you're

1388
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:48,039
getting out of there.

1389
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,399
Speaker 2: You're gonna do it at least once, just for for

1390
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:52,039
the for the well.

1391
01:09:52,039 --> 01:09:52,600
Speaker 4: It's funny.

1392
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 5: There was one of the tours that we did. I

1393
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,760
think it was like this was back in like twenty nineteen,

1394
01:10:00,359 --> 01:10:03,319
and I remember we were playing a Halloween show in

1395
01:10:03,359 --> 01:10:07,760
Germany and I was like, dude, this is it. I'm

1396
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,319
we gotta come out. We got to do it, and

1397
01:10:10,399 --> 01:10:12,039
I was all about it. I was like, I was

1398
01:10:12,039 --> 01:10:14,000
gonna get the way we were all trying to find, like,

1399
01:10:14,119 --> 01:10:14,359
you know.

1400
01:10:14,399 --> 01:10:17,560
Speaker 4: Fake fur. You's gonna do the loin cloth the whole ninety.

1401
01:10:17,359 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 5: Hours and literally at the last minute, they're like, you know,

1402
01:10:22,399 --> 01:10:25,600
man always kind of sacred here. People might not get

1403
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:28,760
the joke, and remember here's offul lot of people. And

1404
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:33,520
I went, you might be right, because the thing is

1405
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:37,319
is I'm making good We would make good fun of it,

1406
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:39,199
you know what I mean, because we're always busting It

1407
01:10:39,279 --> 01:10:43,439
was homage. I mean, dude, it's like we're not we're

1408
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,560
not like we're not distant. We're having fun with it,

1409
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,279
you know what I mean. So it wasn't disrespectful in

1410
01:10:49,359 --> 01:10:52,880
any manner, you know. But but you know, some people,

1411
01:10:53,359 --> 01:10:55,680
like in anything today, can take things in the wrong way.

1412
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:59,000
So you know how they can take things out of context,

1413
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:03,720
and so like maybe somebody will out of this whole interview.

1414
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,319
They love to do that. Take a bit a piece,

1415
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:09,199
you know, like the news. Yeah, take one piece and

1416
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:11,079
make a big thing out of it until they figure

1417
01:11:11,079 --> 01:11:13,199
out that that's not what you that's not actually what

1418
01:11:13,319 --> 01:11:13,720
was said.

1419
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:18,199
Speaker 2: Well, that is the problem with media nowadays is that

1420
01:11:18,239 --> 01:11:21,039
someone will take a sound bite with no removed from

1421
01:11:21,039 --> 01:11:24,279
the context. And that's whether it's in this little world

1422
01:11:24,359 --> 01:11:27,880
of music or like the big world of international politics

1423
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:32,359
and governance. They take a little sound bite that could

1424
01:11:32,359 --> 01:11:34,319
make it sound like and then put their own spin

1425
01:11:34,399 --> 01:11:37,800
on it, and not enough people really get into the well,

1426
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:39,720
listen to the two minutes before and after to get

1427
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,399
the whole context, and they'll just react, react to the

1428
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:46,279
SoundBite and however it's presented by whatever propagandist is putting

1429
01:11:46,319 --> 01:11:49,199
it forth right, and that's the world right now.

1430
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, that happened to me. I was we were doing

1431
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:59,000
I was doing Australian Press for a tour and you know,

1432
01:11:59,319 --> 01:12:04,760
they started talking about us politics. Yeah, not something that

1433
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:06,920
you know, you're like, something you want to get into

1434
01:12:07,159 --> 01:12:10,479
unless you want to talk about it intellectually, right, and uh,

1435
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:14,880
you know whatever, whatever it was at the time, we're

1436
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:19,880
talking about it. And the next day blabermouth basically I

1437
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:20,720
was a fascist.

1438
01:12:21,359 --> 01:12:22,680
Speaker 4: I was like, what the fuck?

1439
01:12:23,039 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 5: And I like, literally that was the first time I

1440
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,199
was ended up like in the media like that, and

1441
01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:33,960
I was I was literally fucking pissed, you know, until

1442
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:38,119
I realized I was like, well, guess what any press

1443
01:12:38,199 --> 01:12:39,319
is good press whatever.

1444
01:12:39,399 --> 01:12:39,600
Speaker 3: Man.

1445
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:41,319
Speaker 5: You know, I'm like whatever, you say, what you want,

1446
01:12:41,319 --> 01:12:41,840
I don't care.

1447
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 4: You know, you can't. You're not going to fight the internet.

1448
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 5: Just like all the shit that's been happening over the

1449
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:49,239
last like four months or whatever, all the ship talking

1450
01:12:49,239 --> 01:12:52,600
and stuff. It's like, you know, trust me, and you

1451
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,439
know how many times would I just want to be like,

1452
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,960
just want to unleash hell. But you're like, man, what's

1453
01:13:00,119 --> 01:13:01,880
the point? What's the point? You know what I mean,

1454
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,199
what is the point? And and that really is what

1455
01:13:04,319 --> 01:13:06,720
it comes down to it, So what's the point? I mean,

1456
01:13:08,199 --> 01:13:09,920
it doesn't look at the end of the.

1457
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 4: Day, no one fucking cares anyway.

1458
01:13:13,119 --> 01:13:16,199
Speaker 5: So it's just really what it comes down to, you know, Yeah,

1459
01:13:16,239 --> 01:13:17,760
I just take it now, I just take it with

1460
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:21,000
a you know, I don't look for I never re reviews,

1461
01:13:21,039 --> 01:13:21,960
I never read anything.

1462
01:13:22,039 --> 01:13:24,199
Speaker 4: Usually people and I don't know why they do this.

1463
01:13:24,399 --> 01:13:26,159
Why do you tag me on something like this?

1464
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 5: You know, why what would you do that? I don't

1465
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,560
want to fucking know. Yeah, I don't care about that

1466
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:34,680
stuff because if you do, then you're already lost the battle.

1467
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:38,600
Speaker 2: Well, half the thing is is you know, someone misquotes

1468
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:43,039
you or mistakes your thing, puts it out there. Now,

1469
01:13:43,079 --> 01:13:45,199
the quote of public opinion is already there. There's nothing

1470
01:13:45,239 --> 01:13:47,079
you're going to say that's going to convince them otherwise.

1471
01:13:47,079 --> 01:13:50,840
So why even why even spoke the flames of that fire?

1472
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,960
Just let it fizzle out, because in this the good

1473
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,359
thing in this world of short attention spans is that

1474
01:13:56,399 --> 01:13:58,840
they'll be onto something else in two days. Just let

1475
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:00,640
it run its course and go away.

1476
01:14:01,279 --> 01:14:04,199
Speaker 5: And that is the philosophy, honestly, And that's probably what's

1477
01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:07,000
kept me sane, is that philosophy, Because I was like,

1478
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,079
you know, it was like something gets announced and like

1479
01:14:10,119 --> 01:14:14,520
two days later something comes out boom. Attention totally changes

1480
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,840
directions and you're like, oh, well that took care of that. Yeah,

1481
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,600
you know, thank you, you know, and you know, because

1482
01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:25,399
unfortunately that's just the way it is, you know. And

1483
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:28,079
I kind of came to the conclusion, like there were

1484
01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:31,119
certain things that were going on with certain people, and

1485
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:36,199
I was just like, I go, it's amazing how everybody

1486
01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:39,319
forgot about this certain incident that this person did. And

1487
01:14:39,319 --> 01:14:41,840
then suddenly no one's even they.

1488
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 4: Forgot all about it already.

1489
01:14:43,239 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 5: For as shitty as it was, they forgot about it already,

1490
01:14:46,199 --> 01:14:50,119
and they're being praised now. It's like they God, we

1491
01:14:50,199 --> 01:14:54,600
see it every day, you know, we see it every day.

1492
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 2: Wow.

1493
01:14:55,039 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 5: You know this guy killed his mother, Well, oh my god,

1494
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:59,680
six months from later, he's the you know, they made

1495
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,520
him out to be like the greatest person in the world.

1496
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:03,399
They forgot that he kills his mother six months ago.

1497
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:05,359
I'm using this as an example.

1498
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 2: People, you know.

1499
01:15:08,279 --> 01:15:11,079
Speaker 4: So, I mean, it's just it is. It is pretty crazy.

1500
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:12,640
Speaker 3: You know.

1501
01:15:13,279 --> 01:15:15,199
Speaker 5: Gotta I think about these things and try to use

1502
01:15:15,239 --> 01:15:16,600
them to your advantage, I guess, you.

1503
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 2: Know, if you have to, or just use them to

1504
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:22,039
your sanity. Meaning when some when when things are blown

1505
01:15:22,119 --> 01:15:24,720
up like that, like don't get don't get wild, because

1506
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:26,000
you're gonna make it worse.

1507
01:15:26,039 --> 01:15:28,520
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean, because you know, obviously I could.

1508
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 5: I could tell you the amount of fucking posts that

1509
01:15:31,039 --> 01:15:32,680
I freaking have never.

1510
01:15:34,399 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 2: Someone's or the or the text where someone just keeps

1511
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,680
seeing the three dots and then it goes away and

1512
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:40,399
then the three dots and then it goes away.

1513
01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:43,399
Speaker 5: And it's like you're just going off and it's like

1514
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,960
you take that whole ten second role, you know, the

1515
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:51,640
whole try to before you react ten seconds, and then

1516
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:54,079
you go back and you're like, maybe I shouldn't I

1517
01:15:54,079 --> 01:15:59,800
probably we shouldn't send that. Let's save myself much grief.

1518
01:16:00,319 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 2: Let's reframe this. Yeah, yeah, no, And I think the

1519
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:06,359
world would better be a better place if everyone did that. Unfortunately,

1520
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:08,800
ninety eight percent of the people don't, you know, and

1521
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:09,760
they just fire right off.

1522
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,239
Speaker 5: But I think the world would be a much better

1523
01:16:12,279 --> 01:16:15,880
place if these things were You take these things face

1524
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:19,800
to face and you watch how different, how different that works.

1525
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:23,079
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, there's so much where people te off

1526
01:16:23,079 --> 01:16:24,760
and then you talk to a prison they're like, hey man,

1527
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,439
what's up, and it's like, you.

1528
01:16:27,399 --> 01:16:32,079
Speaker 5: Know, yeah, my favorite thing is like I'm the worst

1529
01:16:32,199 --> 01:16:37,279
because I never forget. No, I'm and I see everything.

1530
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:41,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I try not to be a grudge holder,

1531
01:16:41,159 --> 01:16:42,880
but it's it happens, you know what I mean. And

1532
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,279
it's like, even if I'm not actively holding a grudge,

1533
01:16:45,399 --> 01:16:48,199
I file I call it under duly noted, Like all right,

1534
01:16:48,279 --> 01:16:49,159
duly noted.

1535
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:49,239
Speaker 5: That's it.

1536
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 2: I'll see you. I'll see you, but I'll see you.

1537
01:16:52,039 --> 01:16:53,319
And then it's like like I laugh.

1538
01:16:53,399 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 5: I go, like, you know, getting ready to do some

1539
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:59,000
promotion stuff and some of the people on the promotion list,

1540
01:16:59,119 --> 01:17:04,720
I'm like, okay, and that normally probably I was like,

1541
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,039
I'm not gonna do that, but I'm gonna be like no,

1542
01:17:07,199 --> 01:17:07,960
you know, I'm gonna do it.

1543
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,199
Speaker 4: I'm gonna call my auntie interview see how that works out.

1544
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:18,359
Speaker 2: Warning, But you know what, guess what, man, that's what

1545
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,840
people need, you know what I mean. Like and accountability,

1546
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,079
true to yourself. If you're true to yourself and you're

1547
01:17:24,079 --> 01:17:27,600
you're representing yourself right and and you're holding people accountable

1548
01:17:28,399 --> 01:17:30,159
for what they say and don't let them slink and

1549
01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:32,920
more them out of it, and it'll keep people more honest, right,

1550
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:33,880
I mean.

1551
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 5: Dude, Honestly, my biggest problem with everything is accountability. I'm

1552
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:43,960
so sick of people doing ship and not being held

1553
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:48,960
accountable for and that is just becomes such a fucking

1554
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:54,239
sore spot for me because that's you know, where we

1555
01:17:54,359 --> 01:17:57,840
come from. That that that that never flew, you know

1556
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:02,600
what I mean. And I like, I'm sick, look in

1557
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,840
a simple terms of sick of the bad guys winning,

1558
01:18:05,119 --> 01:18:08,279
so to say. And I'm like, if there's any way

1559
01:18:08,279 --> 01:18:10,720
that I could hold somebody accountable for something, that I'm

1560
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,960
gonna do it, you know. And I just I'm sick

1561
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:17,279
of it, you know, especially especially in this business, because

1562
01:18:17,279 --> 01:18:20,720
there's a lot of scumbags, man, And there's a lot

1563
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:23,720
of scumbags and places that I was shocked to know

1564
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:28,680
and with people that I would never a million years thought,

1565
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:33,000
and I sit there, go, wow, I can't believe that.

1566
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:33,199
Speaker 4: You know.

1567
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 5: And it's like that, you know, and it's like now

1568
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:40,840
when you see these people, you definitely have looked at

1569
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:41,279
him in a.

1570
01:18:41,239 --> 01:18:43,359
Speaker 4: Whole different light, you know what I mean.

1571
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 5: Whereas used to be like, Hey, what's going on, Now

1572
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:46,720
it's gonna be like, yeah, what's up?

1573
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:50,199
Speaker 2: Man's gonna be yeah, yeah, what's up?

1574
01:18:50,199 --> 01:18:50,359
Speaker 5: Man?

1575
01:18:50,359 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 4: I'm out?

1576
01:18:51,159 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 2: You know it sucks, I think too. Like you're probably

1577
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:58,840
like me, and you know politics, you just expect everyone

1578
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,039
to be a scumbag. But in our little worlds of

1579
01:19:01,079 --> 01:19:03,920
our subcultures, whether it's metal or hardcore or punk or

1580
01:19:04,039 --> 01:19:06,840
choppers or whatever, you kind of think people are going

1581
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:08,640
to be a little bit cooler and a little bit

1582
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:10,319
more on the same page about things. And then it's

1583
01:19:10,319 --> 01:19:13,159
a bum out. You know, it's a letdown when it's not,

1584
01:19:13,239 --> 01:19:15,039
because it's like, man, we're in the same world, dude,

1585
01:19:15,039 --> 01:19:16,840
you should be operating the same way.

1586
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 5: You know what I mean exactly, you know, and I

1587
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,119
mean you know, and the thing is is that there's

1588
01:19:22,279 --> 01:19:27,079
nothing wrong. Look, look, reality is not everybody's gonna like everybody.

1589
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:29,399
Not everybody's gonna get along. They're not gonna see the

1590
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:33,119
same And I respect that. That's the key. You can

1591
01:19:33,159 --> 01:19:36,039
respect that. Like, you know, you gotta work with people,

1592
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:41,640
and you know what, you can still be respectful. Yeah, okay, cool,

1593
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:45,119
But when those people start to step out the line

1594
01:19:45,119 --> 01:19:48,479
and get disrespectful and they expect it back, dude, that

1595
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:50,600
doesn't work like that. Yeah, you know what I mean,

1596
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:53,560
it doesn't work like that. If you duly do not respect,

1597
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,239
you're not getting it back. No, you know what I mean,

1598
01:19:56,279 --> 01:19:58,199
And that's just how it is. And if you can't

1599
01:19:58,239 --> 01:20:01,720
handle it, then you're gonna get smashed. You know.

1600
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,439
Speaker 2: The problem is, right, is that in this world nowadays,

1601
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,439
is everyone wants to preach things about like diversity and

1602
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:12,159
acceptance and and whatever, which is cool because, like you said,

1603
01:20:12,319 --> 01:20:15,520
like if people have different opinions than me, cool, I'm

1604
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:17,479
fine with that. I respect it. If they have a

1605
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,319
logical framework for what they're thinking and they thought out

1606
01:20:20,319 --> 01:20:22,840
and we don't we don't agree. Cool, Like I don't.

1607
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:24,880
I don't care like cool, you do you, I'll do me.

1608
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:30,079
But most of the people that are kind of saying, hey,

1609
01:20:30,079 --> 01:20:34,119
we need more tolerance and diversity, I'm very intolerant. Well

1610
01:20:34,159 --> 01:20:37,600
the fuckers unless you are, you know, are in one

1611
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:39,600
hundred percent agreement with them, you know what I mean.

1612
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:43,000
It's like I don't understand, and it's like and it's

1613
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,359
like you know, and that's in every level of society,

1614
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:47,079
like you know what I mean, like every level of

1615
01:20:47,119 --> 01:20:50,159
the world. Now it's just like you know, like blah

1616
01:20:50,199 --> 01:20:52,920
blah blah. But and if you don't agree with them,

1617
01:20:53,079 --> 01:20:54,760
like all of a sudden, you're a fascist. When you're

1618
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:58,159
like the most unfascist person in the fucking world. Do

1619
01:20:58,159 --> 01:20:58,960
you know what I mean?

1620
01:21:00,079 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 5: Those roots will those words have no meaning anymore meaning

1621
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:06,159
because they freaking use it. You you take a piss

1622
01:21:06,239 --> 01:21:10,319
in the wrong direction. You're a fascist.

1623
01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:11,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.

1624
01:21:12,079 --> 01:21:13,640
Speaker 5: I always like this, Do you even know what the

1625
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:14,399
word means?

1626
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:15,039
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1627
01:21:15,079 --> 01:21:15,800
Speaker 5: You know what it means?

1628
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's look at the dictionary. You know what

1629
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:19,239
I mean?

1630
01:21:20,039 --> 01:21:22,920
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it's just for you know. And the

1631
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:25,520
thing is is, like, it's funny. Like I said, I've

1632
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:29,119
gone to so many different places, different religions, different cultures.

1633
01:21:29,159 --> 01:21:33,399
I got no problem with anybody. If you it's a

1634
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,880
it's a it's a give and take thing. I have

1635
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:39,920
no problem nothing, you know, I'm you can as long

1636
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:42,239
as we're respecting each other and everything's cool. I don't

1637
01:21:42,279 --> 01:21:44,319
care what you could believe in the East money being,

1638
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:45,239
you know, I don't care.

1639
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:46,279
Speaker 4: I don't give a ship.

1640
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:48,319
Speaker 5: I believe, you know, But.

1641
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 2: That's what dude, I believe.

1642
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 5: I live with one, you know.

1643
01:21:59,359 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 4: So it's it's yeah, it's absolutely ridiculous.

1644
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:06,560
Speaker 5: And and I you know, I I avoid all that

1645
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,439
stuff like the plague because I could, I could, you know,

1646
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,920
like you. I get so heated about any of that because,

1647
01:22:13,119 --> 01:22:15,960
like you know, because you sit there pounding your head

1648
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:19,359
going just doesn't even make any sense what you're saying whatsoever.

1649
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:21,159
Speaker 4: Like the common sense of things.

1650
01:22:21,319 --> 01:22:24,520
Speaker 5: That's what I'm a big fan of common sense. You know,

1651
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:28,000
I might not agree with you, but if it's you know, okay,

1652
01:22:28,039 --> 01:22:31,680
your your point of view makes sense in that aspect,

1653
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:34,479
I'm cool. But when you when you try to come

1654
01:22:34,520 --> 01:22:38,000
at me with something that absolutely have no sense whatsoever,

1655
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:39,159
I can't go there.

1656
01:22:39,239 --> 01:22:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'mna dismantle it really fast.

1657
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm like, yeah, or ignore it.

1658
01:22:44,039 --> 01:22:48,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been more interested. I'm not. You know, I

1659
01:22:48,119 --> 01:22:50,319
used to get like, man, everyone's gonna know about this

1660
01:22:50,359 --> 01:22:51,399
stuff and blah blah blah.

1661
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:53,560
Speaker 4: Yeahs.

1662
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:56,159
Speaker 2: I ain't trying to convert anybody like I'm not trying to.

1663
01:22:56,239 --> 01:22:59,000
I'm just especially now with that new redacted channel, I'm

1664
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:01,079
putting stuff out that I think it's important. And if

1665
01:23:01,079 --> 01:23:02,720
you agree with it, cool, If you don't, cool, I

1666
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,119
don't care. I'm not trying to get you to see

1667
01:23:05,119 --> 01:23:07,359
my way. I'm just trying to expose you too. Things

1668
01:23:07,399 --> 01:23:09,800
you know what I mean, and and.

1669
01:23:09,159 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 5: And it's you know, it's and the thing is so

1670
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:13,560
interesting about that. That's why I love that concept.

1671
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,319
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I want to be on that shows show.

1672
01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:19,520
Speaker 2: That's today, but I haven't. I know, we talked about

1673
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,840
I have an idea. I have an idea though, like

1674
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:24,439
like I was telling you before, I even have a

1675
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,119
I have a name for it. I'm gonna as soon

1676
01:23:26,119 --> 01:23:28,960
as we stop recording, I'm gonna I'm gonna run something

1677
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:30,399
by you. And I think we can get it together

1678
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:32,479
really fast, and I think it'll be I think it'll

1679
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:34,720
be interesting and I think it could turn into its

1680
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:36,960
own thing. But well, we'll talk about that.

1681
01:23:37,159 --> 01:23:38,319
Speaker 4: We'll discuss that for sure.

1682
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:42,560
Speaker 5: But yeah, good, you know, because there's so many there's

1683
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,239
so many, Like you know, it's.

1684
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:46,520
Speaker 4: Especially with A I.

1685
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 5: What I don't what is dude?

1686
01:23:51,039 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 4: The whole concept of reality.

1687
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:55,399
Speaker 5: Oh my god, we could go down the rabbit hole

1688
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:57,520
with this, but like the whole idea of what's real

1689
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:00,760
and what is it anymore? I do you know when

1690
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:02,680
when you start to kind of like, I've been really

1691
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:05,560
into philosophy for the last couple of years and I'm

1692
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:10,199
really into like quantum quantum uh theories and all these things.

1693
01:24:10,199 --> 01:24:11,800
And when you started even.

1694
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,399
Speaker 4: Learning about that you're like, oh my god, yeah, am

1695
01:24:14,399 --> 01:24:15,039
I waking up?

1696
01:24:15,079 --> 01:24:16,119
Speaker 5: Is this even real? I don't know.

1697
01:24:16,119 --> 01:24:18,840
Speaker 4: I'm like you really you.

1698
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:20,159
Speaker 5: Can really drive yourself crazy?

1699
01:24:20,239 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 2: Right? Oh no? And then and then you read that

1700
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:24,800
Sern has already tapped into another dimension, and that dimension

1701
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,159
was aware that we were tapped into that dimension, And

1702
01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:29,600
you're like, what are you saying here? This is this

1703
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:31,880
is what you're saying. So what is it? What's going

1704
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,399
on that you're not saying? Is the thing?

1705
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 3: Like?

1706
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 5: Oh well, in the two thousand, we basically went into

1707
01:24:38,039 --> 01:24:40,920
a black hole, and now the timeline's broken?

1708
01:24:41,039 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, and then you put the tinfoil out and

1709
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:47,840
that's why you remember Sinbad having a movie about about

1710
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:53,720
a genie and and but it doesn't exist. Yeah, but

1711
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:54,960
here's the exactly.

1712
01:24:56,079 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 5: That's a whole other thing.

1713
01:24:57,079 --> 01:24:59,239
Speaker 2: Well, you're talking about the timeline being messed up. That's

1714
01:24:59,239 --> 01:25:00,600
why I'm just I'm like.

1715
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 5: Dude, I fucking saw a movie. I'm like, dude, I

1716
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:08,960
don't give a ship. I saw that and it was real,

1717
01:25:09,279 --> 01:25:10,600
and tell me that was.

1718
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:11,359
Speaker 4: A mass illusion.

1719
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:16,720
Speaker 5: No way. I'm like, why is it just that but

1720
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:18,920
not this? Why is it just that one thing? What

1721
01:25:19,079 --> 01:25:23,199
made that thing? Here?

1722
01:25:23,199 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 2: We go, why is that so important? Why is that

1723
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:26,920
so important? Yeah?

1724
01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:29,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like what the hell made that so important?

1725
01:25:29,399 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 2: That?

1726
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:33,279
Speaker 5: That? And the Fruit of the Loom? Yeah, fucking symbol,

1727
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:35,199
that's that one.

1728
01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:38,560
Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent like, no, that existed. I remember

1729
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:40,880
it for a hundred and I think people have dug

1730
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:46,319
up the old tags. Yeah she's him when I can

1731
01:25:46,359 --> 01:25:48,159
go either way, But the Fruit of the Loom, I'm like, no,

1732
01:25:48,239 --> 01:25:49,640
I remember that for sure.

1733
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:52,520
Speaker 5: You know. It's funny though, when they start to do that,

1734
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,000
didn't they get you questioning yourself?

1735
01:25:55,039 --> 01:25:57,279
Speaker 2: I think that's probably the whole sigh behind it, right,

1736
01:25:57,399 --> 01:25:59,319
is to get you no idea.

1737
01:25:59,399 --> 01:26:02,039
Speaker 5: You're like, hey, well what do they say? All you

1738
01:26:02,119 --> 01:26:04,359
have to do is plant that seed of doubt in

1739
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:05,319
it just.

1740
01:26:05,239 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 2: Grows, right, And that taps into what you just said

1741
01:26:07,680 --> 01:26:12,119
about AI, because now the AI that I just play

1742
01:26:12,199 --> 01:26:16,079
with like looks fucking real. Like, so imagine what they

1743
01:26:16,159 --> 01:26:18,800
have and how long you had every day and how

1744
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:21,720
much it's how much it's actually been ingreened or like

1745
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:24,319
how much of what you see is actually that and

1746
01:26:24,359 --> 01:26:27,199
I'm talking you know, mainstream news propaganda and whatever, you

1747
01:26:27,239 --> 01:26:29,279
know what I mean, or just in general, but like

1748
01:26:30,239 --> 01:26:32,520
it's gonna get a lot crazier because the stuff that

1749
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:36,039
we're playing with as toys is like super powerful. Imagine

1750
01:26:36,039 --> 01:26:37,800
what well this is gonna look like in a year.

1751
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:42,119
Speaker 5: Well put it to you this way with graphics and video.

1752
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:48,720
I deal with AI every day. Yeah, And obviously that's

1753
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:52,880
a huge debate in the art world. And I'll say

1754
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:58,119
my piece in one sentence, it's AI is a tool

1755
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:00,720
when it comes to that, As far as I'm concerned,

1756
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:02,680
it ain't no different than when pro tools came out.

1757
01:27:03,159 --> 01:27:07,039
There's no different than when photoshop came out, paintbrush, photoshop.

1758
01:27:07,119 --> 01:27:10,039
The whole difference now people that are using it solely.

1759
01:27:10,159 --> 01:27:12,079
I mean, that's a whole other thing. That's a whole

1760
01:27:12,119 --> 01:27:16,520
other topic. But but back to what you're saying, Like

1761
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,439
I was just I mentioned this probably every other week,

1762
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:24,159
Like every time I go into my AI hub of

1763
01:27:24,199 --> 01:27:27,439
where all my tools are, there's new ship coming out,

1764
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:32,159
and it's like it's so fast that it's I'm like,

1765
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,119
I don't even know how to run this one, and

1766
01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:37,000
they've already got something that's ten times better that I get.

1767
01:27:37,079 --> 01:27:39,520
All I have to do is basically go, hey, make

1768
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,760
a balloon. Whereas before you had to do this whole thing,

1769
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:44,560
and that it's just like, hey, make a balloon that's red.

1770
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's flying across the mountain. Yeah, yes, yeah,

1771
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,119
And there's a seagull and there's a yeah, and there's

1772
01:27:51,119 --> 01:27:54,399
a viking, and there's all the shit like.

1773
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:58,720
Speaker 5: In every time, it's just it's getting crazier and crazier,

1774
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:02,760
and like, you know what before it was the whole

1775
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:06,000
deep fake that ain't fucking nothing. I could do more

1776
01:28:06,039 --> 01:28:10,079
than that right on my laptop. Yeah, it takes ten minutes,

1777
01:28:10,319 --> 01:28:13,920
and I'm like, what so so think about it, think

1778
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:17,439
about the technology that they have.

1779
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:20,560
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. It's ten years beyond that. But

1780
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:24,600
ten years is ten years is now quantum ten years

1781
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:28,560
like because things are, things are like you know what

1782
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:31,000
I mean, like things are escalating at such a fast

1783
01:28:31,079 --> 01:28:35,079
level that you know, you know, you don't what cre minutes.

1784
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:39,279
The funniest use of AI to me right now is

1785
01:28:39,319 --> 01:28:42,479
people that are making old soul songs out of like

1786
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:46,199
metal and hardcore songs and they're fucking great. You're like,

1787
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:49,239
why does it sound so good? It sounds like it

1788
01:28:49,279 --> 01:28:52,119
was recorded on a motown, you know, motown put it

1789
01:28:52,119 --> 01:28:54,760
out in nineteen sixty eight, you know what I mean, Like,

1790
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,159
why is it so good?

1791
01:28:56,439 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 5: Like erecaryous. Yeah. I remember about a year, like probably

1792
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:03,760
like eight nine months ago, you know, pretty well known

1793
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:09,279
producers sent me one and I literally this is before

1794
01:29:09,399 --> 01:29:10,359
we kind of caught on.

1795
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:11,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was.

1796
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 5: Like, dude, who did this?

1797
01:29:13,119 --> 01:29:16,159
Speaker 4: And he goes, Dude, it's AI And I'm like, you're fucked.

1798
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 5: Yea, where fucked?

1799
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, he goes, you're not kidding.

1800
01:29:22,079 --> 01:29:24,079
Speaker 2: Well, you saw the thing right that there's so many

1801
01:29:24,159 --> 01:29:28,760
ai ai bands on Spotify now that are like getting traction,

1802
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:34,039
like and then what's gonna happen is like those songs

1803
01:29:34,079 --> 01:29:37,600
are gonna get big enough where they're gonna make a band. Well, dude,

1804
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:39,079
to be a cover band of that?

1805
01:29:39,239 --> 01:29:41,319
Speaker 5: Right? You know, dude in Japan?

1806
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:45,520
Speaker 4: Is that a totally made up pop J pop artist?

1807
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:47,159
Speaker 2: I heard? I heard that?

1808
01:29:47,319 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, And and and they could you could sell out

1809
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:55,199
stadiums on a hologram or on a video board, and

1810
01:29:55,399 --> 01:29:58,800
they go, that's where we're at. That's where we're at,

1811
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:03,640
you know, and it's like you like a lot of

1812
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:06,279
people are going, well, you know, the live experience is

1813
01:30:06,279 --> 01:30:10,239
going to start coming back. Well, in theory, yeah, because

1814
01:30:10,239 --> 01:30:13,520
that would be the alternative. But here's the problem. All

1815
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:17,960
these live things are owned by big Court. Now the

1816
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:21,600
prices are too much. No, people aren't spending. You don't

1817
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,520
have the disposable income to go to these shows anymore,

1818
01:30:25,159 --> 01:30:27,039
or they have to pick one out of the ten.

1819
01:30:27,159 --> 01:30:30,119
Speaker 4: Now everybody's on tour. Hey, when you're going on tour

1820
01:30:30,159 --> 01:30:31,640
in March, like forty.

1821
01:30:31,359 --> 01:30:36,079
Speaker 5: Other bands, yeah, you know, and then you got there's

1822
01:30:36,119 --> 01:30:37,399
all bands you want to see.

1823
01:30:37,399 --> 01:30:40,039
Speaker 2: And then and then and then the the merch prices

1824
01:30:40,039 --> 01:30:42,000
are through the roof because now all the venues want

1825
01:30:42,039 --> 01:30:43,560
a piece of it or they want to control the

1826
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:46,960
pricing of it. And it's like bananas. Yeah, because because

1827
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:48,439
they caught on, because that's the only way to make

1828
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:49,520
money now is off the merch.

1829
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:51,680
Speaker 4: It's not you know it, And that's the only way

1830
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:53,840
the band's making any money. And they're just totally raping

1831
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:54,319
them on that.

1832
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:55,479
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.

1833
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:57,640
Speaker 5: And then then when the why bands can't tour, well

1834
01:30:57,680 --> 01:30:59,680
there you go, that's part of it too, you know.

1835
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:04,960
So yeah, but the whole thing with AI is like yeah,

1836
01:31:05,079 --> 01:31:09,840
it's yeah, I mean literally, and here's the thing, here's

1837
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:14,520
the thing that's even scarier that no one talks about

1838
01:31:15,399 --> 01:31:19,960
is that we know that one of the poise on

1839
01:31:20,359 --> 01:31:24,720
syopping is that if you're the first one to put

1840
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:29,479
it out, that's what people will believe automatically, whether it's

1841
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:32,479
real or not. And you could come back in like

1842
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:35,840
ten hours and say, no, that's not true, but guess what,

1843
01:31:36,079 --> 01:31:39,640
that's already trickled down and the majority of people that

1844
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:42,319
haven't gone back in ten hours believe that.

1845
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:48,319
Speaker 4: So think if something really fucking pivotal.

1846
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:52,359
Speaker 5: Is pushed out, that's not real, and but it's already

1847
01:31:52,399 --> 01:31:55,199
being reacted, Yeah, that's real danger.

1848
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:58,119
Speaker 4: You know, that doesn't make believes shit, that's real people.

1849
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,279
Speaker 5: You know, that's the scary part, you know, And when

1850
01:32:01,359 --> 01:32:04,680
you know you see what's going on with these freaking fanatics,

1851
01:32:04,920 --> 01:32:08,319
were going on about the nonsense that's going on, and

1852
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:10,279
all you're gonna do is like to match with them,

1853
01:32:10,279 --> 01:32:13,119
and it's it's gonna it's it's already happening. You know.

1854
01:32:13,399 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 4: They don't even they don't even they don't even want

1855
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:16,239
to know the truth.

1856
01:32:16,399 --> 01:32:18,680
Speaker 5: They just want to go up. I don't like this guy, bar,

1857
01:32:19,359 --> 01:32:22,600
you know what I mean? Like this bar automatically pounce, pounce,

1858
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:28,039
pounce on it without any information, draw just crazy automatic. Yeah,

1859
01:32:28,119 --> 01:32:28,600
that's it.

1860
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:33,520
Speaker 2: It's a sad world, man and up man, because you know,

1861
01:32:34,119 --> 01:32:39,800
people are getting exposed to propaganda all day. They're all reactionary,

1862
01:32:40,079 --> 01:32:42,720
and it's like no one's taking a step and taking

1863
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:46,039
a breath and thinking and then and they just getting

1864
01:32:46,039 --> 01:32:48,159
wrapped up in it. And then it's like when people

1865
01:32:48,159 --> 01:32:50,399
finally catch their breath, it's a little bit. It's always

1866
01:32:50,399 --> 01:32:52,239
like too late to announce onto the next thing, you

1867
01:32:52,279 --> 01:32:52,680
know what I mean?

1868
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:58,319
Speaker 5: Well, perfect look, perfect example. Five years ago, you, I

1869
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:02,319
and many people, you know, we we had things to

1870
01:33:02,359 --> 01:33:05,000
say about certain things that were going on, and you

1871
01:33:05,039 --> 01:33:08,640
were crazy. You couldn't talk about it. You're a conspiracy theorist,

1872
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:13,199
you're a blasphem, you're nuts, you're a Nazi, you're this,

1873
01:33:13,319 --> 01:33:16,079
and you're that. And all of a sudden, everything that

1874
01:33:16,119 --> 01:33:20,560
you tried to tell someone was actually true. But guess what,

1875
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:23,399
it came out five years later. They aren't even no one,

1876
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:25,760
no one's even hearing it. They're not even hearing it.

1877
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 2: And that's why, and that's why when people were saying

1878
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:31,960
people that don't get the SHU should be in camps

1879
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:35,560
and should be kept out of society. Yeah, I'm never

1880
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:38,119
forgetting that, you know what i mean, Like I'm like,

1881
01:33:38,279 --> 01:33:40,239
you're the fascist, like you know what I mean, Like

1882
01:33:40,279 --> 01:33:44,079
because someone's not someone's not getting jibby jab like they're

1883
01:33:44,119 --> 01:33:47,039
they're you you want to label them less than human

1884
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:49,399
and and then they should be in camps and they

1885
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:53,159
should be outside of society. Like the funny thing is

1886
01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:56,039
that nobody that was that hardcore on that side of

1887
01:33:56,079 --> 01:33:58,600
things has like recanted and apologized and been like I

1888
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:01,680
wasn't thinking, I'm sorry, They'll just they've either doubled down

1889
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:04,279
or they've like are they like shrunk into this shell

1890
01:34:04,359 --> 01:34:07,399
like a fucking shitty little turtle, you know what I mean?

1891
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:09,760
Like they oh.

1892
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:13,439
Speaker 5: Well, you're they're not gonna remember me saying that. Like

1893
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:14,319
what we're talking.

1894
01:34:14,039 --> 01:34:16,279
Speaker 2: About before, Janet is a record man, and it's like

1895
01:34:16,319 --> 01:34:18,439
you can go back and look at people's twitters or whatever,

1896
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:19,359
it's all there and listen.

1897
01:34:19,399 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 5: Well, the thing is is that you know again, like

1898
01:34:22,239 --> 01:34:25,199
I mean, Jesus, look what happened over the weekend. You know,

1899
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:27,560
you got all these people freaking out about this, and

1900
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:31,439
all of a sudden, twelve months ago they were so

1901
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:34,720
for what happened. But now they're not all of a

1902
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:37,119
sudden just because of the person that did it. It's

1903
01:34:37,159 --> 01:34:39,640
a perfect example. It's like, oh well wait a second,

1904
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,800
but the but no one's looking back at what they

1905
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:44,159
said and what they really thought.

1906
01:34:44,239 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 4: They just go on according to what they just told you,

1907
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:47,479
you know, two hours ago.

1908
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:50,199
Speaker 5: It's fucking ridiculous, man, you know. And that's what I

1909
01:34:50,199 --> 01:34:53,159
talk about accountability. You know, if there was more accountability

1910
01:34:53,159 --> 01:34:55,800
for shit, no one will you pulling that stuff? Well,

1911
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:57,760
you get away with it, You're gonna do it again.

1912
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:01,359
It's no different than you know, when what's the society.

1913
01:35:01,359 --> 01:35:03,680
If you steal something, they cut your hand off, Well

1914
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:05,520
you're not going to steal again. And the guy next

1915
01:35:05,520 --> 01:35:07,279
door to you's not gonna steal because you just saw

1916
01:35:07,319 --> 01:35:09,079
you lost a hand. But if you go and steal

1917
01:35:09,199 --> 01:35:11,399
and you get a stop on the wrist, don't worry

1918
01:35:11,399 --> 01:35:13,079
about it. Guess what the guy next door is gonna go,

1919
01:35:13,159 --> 01:35:13,399
fuck it.

1920
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:16,079
Speaker 2: I can do it too, yep. And that's why it's.

1921
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 5: Really broken down to that simple.

1922
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:20,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, it is, And it's the problem is

1923
01:35:20,159 --> 01:35:23,479
is that that accountability is gone at like multiple levels

1924
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:25,279
of our society. Because even if you look at like

1925
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:29,000
the top level of like government, right that who is

1926
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:31,680
supposed to be stellar, who's supposed to be examples for us?

1927
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:37,880
But Congress, Senate, uh, you know, uh, you know, executive branch.

1928
01:35:38,159 --> 01:35:41,039
There's no accountability on anyone. It's just like, yeah, but

1929
01:35:41,119 --> 01:35:43,479
there's not been one arrest in the in any of

1930
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:46,720
the Epstein ship or anything like where's When's It's funny.

1931
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:49,199
Speaker 4: I kind of was hoping you would say this because

1932
01:35:49,239 --> 01:35:49,479
I have.

1933
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:51,880
Speaker 5: I have a you know what, there's only one thing.

1934
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:54,199
Speaker 4: About that that I'll say that I.

1935
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:58,399
Speaker 5: I my the only thought that I could think of it. Well,

1936
01:35:58,399 --> 01:36:03,800
it's true. You know, obviously we know the corruption, which

1937
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:06,880
is sad because we do know the corruption, but yet

1938
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:07,800
they're all still there.

1939
01:36:08,319 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 4: That's a whole other story.

1940
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:13,600
Speaker 5: But when you think about it, if people of that

1941
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:18,399
level are doing the things that they're being supposedly accused of, right,

1942
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:23,640
which are like unforgivable things, as far as as far

1943
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:26,920
as I'm concerned, they should all be strung up by

1944
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:29,199
their nuts in a public court. You know. That's why

1945
01:36:29,199 --> 01:36:30,920
I don't care the fuck You can quote me on that.

1946
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:31,640
I don't give a shit.

1947
01:36:32,319 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 4: But the fact of the matter is that, you know,

1948
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:36,199
you have to look at The.

1949
01:36:36,119 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 5: Other side too, is that if you have that many

1950
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:42,239
bad eggs and you're trying to do the right thing,

1951
01:36:42,399 --> 01:36:45,000
so to say, I'm just using this as an example,

1952
01:36:46,119 --> 01:36:48,399
and you come in and you try to put this

1953
01:36:48,600 --> 01:36:53,439
high profile person away. You know, if you don't have

1954
01:36:54,359 --> 01:36:58,560
one thousand percent backing and the proof to be able

1955
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:02,039
to make it stick, then why would you even bother

1956
01:37:02,079 --> 01:37:04,800
because you're gonna look like a fucking idiot at the end, Right.

1957
01:37:06,039 --> 01:37:10,079
Speaker 2: Is the least three worries because you're gonna you're gonna

1958
01:37:10,079 --> 01:37:12,399
accidentally be unlived? Is more like it?

1959
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:15,880
Speaker 5: You know, Well that's what I'm talking about. So you

1960
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:18,199
think about it, you know, and you're gonna remember it's

1961
01:37:18,239 --> 01:37:21,520
different when there's a person that has nobody like why

1962
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:23,560
why is it that all the special ops and all

1963
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:25,640
these deep covered people they got no family, they got

1964
01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:29,840
no attachments. Why because the ship that they do, they

1965
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:32,199
have nothing to be held on to them to make

1966
01:37:32,279 --> 01:37:35,680
them talk about anything. Of course, you know, this ain't

1967
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:38,760
movie ship. This is real right now. If you are

1968
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:40,640
if you're in a position where you have a family

1969
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:42,920
and you got this and someone says, hey, I'm gonna

1970
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:46,039
do this, you're gonna be like, fuck you know, I'm

1971
01:37:46,199 --> 01:37:47,960
you know, I'm just gonna shut the fuck up and

1972
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:50,279
go just do what I gotta do to make sure

1973
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:53,640
how many people in those positions are there? Right?

1974
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 2: What I just said, come on, we know that, well

1975
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:58,239
then we probably you know.

1976
01:37:59,079 --> 01:38:01,319
Speaker 6: You know, and and and it and and I think

1977
01:38:01,359 --> 01:38:04,119
the I think the other thing that always, the other

1978
01:38:04,159 --> 01:38:07,439
thing that's fascinating to me is that you know, you

1979
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:11,399
got this many people that rule this many people.

1980
01:38:12,359 --> 01:38:17,119
Speaker 5: Imagine if this many people could get along and understand. Hence,

1981
01:38:17,359 --> 01:38:19,640
why if we deal with what we do with how

1982
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:21,479
fast can we get rid of this many people? Look

1983
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:23,560
what they did in the pall. They got mad because

1984
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:27,479
they took this socirom, their work away, both the place out.

1985
01:38:28,119 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 2: The problem here is that they keep us so distracted

1986
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:35,960
and divided on false wedge issues that no one seeing

1987
01:38:36,039 --> 01:38:38,000
the no one's looking at the bigger picture or using

1988
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:40,760
common sense. They're just like, if you're not with me,

1989
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:43,520
you're against me. And it's like, no, we're probably more

1990
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:46,159
on in lie in league with each other than you

1991
01:38:46,199 --> 01:38:49,279
will then, you know, because you don't give it a chance,

1992
01:38:49,319 --> 01:38:51,680
because you automatically dismiss someone because they didn't vote for

1993
01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:54,199
who you voted for. And it's like, at the end

1994
01:38:54,199 --> 01:38:55,720
of the day, you know, in a.

1995
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:58,319
Speaker 5: Thing that sucks, and this is the truth because we

1996
01:38:58,359 --> 01:38:59,319
would go for it and brought this.

1997
01:38:59,399 --> 01:39:02,760
Speaker 4: Actually it's like, remember we were like, dude, we.

1998
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:06,359
Speaker 5: Should just run for office and and and crazily, you

1999
01:39:06,359 --> 01:39:08,119
know what because what you know, a lot of people

2000
01:39:08,159 --> 01:39:13,720
don't understand that, you know, real decisions happen at a

2001
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:17,279
city council level. A lot of people don't know that.

2002
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:19,960
And it's fascinating. And these city councils get voted in

2003
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:23,640
with like, you know, five hundred people. Could you imagine, right,

2004
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:26,680
could you imagine like, you know, somebody would like with

2005
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:28,760
like a network of people, and we.

2006
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:32,279
Speaker 4: Run for city council of New Bedfords and we won.

2007
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:38,199
Speaker 5: Holy ship, imagine that we come in and dude, do

2008
01:39:38,239 --> 01:39:41,960
you realize you know for a fact that probably we

2009
01:39:42,039 --> 01:39:45,159
beget knocks on our door and going, oh, well, you know,

2010
01:39:45,239 --> 01:39:49,039
it's all fun and games and ship. But guess what, right,

2011
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:52,199
how many how many people had that probably happened to

2012
01:39:52,439 --> 01:39:55,359
And if you're a you know, low level fucking council member,

2013
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:57,239
you're not going to say ship because you got you know,

2014
01:39:57,279 --> 01:40:00,000
your family. You know, those are real family people. These

2015
01:40:00,239 --> 01:40:04,279
nobody of any any stature or anything like that, and

2016
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:08,960
so you could see it's easy to see where you know,

2017
01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:11,840
a lot of people will go in with good intention.

2018
01:40:12,159 --> 01:40:14,680
How many politicians went in with good intention and all

2019
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:17,039
of a sudden they've turned on everything and they're all

2020
01:40:17,039 --> 01:40:20,760
millionaires now yeah, whoa, they went in with no money

2021
01:40:21,199 --> 01:40:23,680
and now they're millionaires and they've turned their back on

2022
01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:26,640
everything that they said five years ago. It's like, wow, dude,

2023
01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:27,600
that's like not obvious.

2024
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:31,039
Speaker 2: And that's where accountability comes in and not once people

2025
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:33,199
will still keep voting for because it because it's like,

2026
01:40:33,199 --> 01:40:35,399
oh they got a D after R or R after

2027
01:40:35,399 --> 01:40:39,199
the whole Oh yeah that's yeah, yeah, that's the whole

2028
01:40:39,239 --> 01:40:39,800
other thing.

2029
01:40:42,199 --> 01:40:44,479
Speaker 5: You know. I mean it's a problem. It's like you

2030
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:47,039
could say one thing and then you're like, whoa, what if?

2031
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:49,680
And the thing is is a lot of these one

2032
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:52,359
if you know, ten years ago, would have been like

2033
01:40:52,399 --> 01:40:55,720
you're fucking insane, that's not even that you wouldn't even

2034
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:59,319
think of that. But now you question everything because you

2035
01:40:59,479 --> 01:41:01,920
have to. You have to, you know, because like nine

2036
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:05,680
times out of ten, the crazy ideas are the ones

2037
01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:06,239
that are real.

2038
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:11,079
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I know, I know That's why a lot

2039
01:41:11,079 --> 01:41:13,800
of times it's like I'll, uh, you know, that's why

2040
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:15,439
I like doing the show, right, because I can just

2041
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:18,399
I can regress and just do some like music stuff

2042
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:22,319
or some you know, motorcycle stuff, and then I'll get

2043
01:41:22,359 --> 01:41:24,199
into some real stuff, or then I'll just get into

2044
01:41:24,199 --> 01:41:27,560
some weird stuff because if I mean, I can't understand

2045
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:30,560
people that just do political or like conspiracy stuff, because

2046
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:33,760
like that would drive you crazy just dealing with that

2047
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:38,880
all day, every day, and it's so infuriate, infuriating. I

2048
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:40,880
can't imagine doing that. So I like, I like to

2049
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:43,039
come back and just do some weird stuff or some

2050
01:41:43,079 --> 01:41:46,359
fun stuff, like because you gotta stay grounded and because

2051
01:41:46,359 --> 01:41:48,560
you're still gonna get through life, man, and you gotta can't.

2052
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:51,279
You can't go to pissed off and miserable. And you know,

2053
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:55,039
a yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right. You like at

2054
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:58,560
we gotta we gotta unveil the we gotta unveil the

2055
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:02,239
mock pizza when you when you come work. Yeah, we're

2056
01:42:02,239 --> 01:42:02,680
gonna do it.

2057
01:42:03,079 --> 01:42:06,039
Speaker 5: I have it all designed so everyone loves those too.

2058
01:42:06,319 --> 01:42:08,720
Speaker 2: Whenever we do a new one. Whenever we do a

2059
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:10,760
new one, like the all centers one or whatever, like

2060
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:12,600
they do good. People love it, you know what I mean.

2061
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:15,279
They want to try new things. So we'll we'll work

2062
01:42:15,319 --> 01:42:16,840
on that and give you.

2063
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:18,640
Speaker 5: Your own tipopzza.

2064
01:42:20,199 --> 01:42:22,359
Speaker 2: Just make sure it's stuff I can get from my distributors,

2065
01:42:22,359 --> 01:42:27,880
you know, some weird some weird stuff like. But but yeah, man,

2066
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:34,199
so you know you got a lot going on, and

2067
01:42:34,239 --> 01:42:38,439
I appreciate taking the time to talk today. Yeah. Man,

2068
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:42,319
so i'd be remiss without asking. I know you kind

2069
01:42:42,319 --> 01:42:44,640
of touched on this, but you know, the state of

2070
01:42:45,039 --> 01:42:48,399
you know, people are gonna ask the state of metal

2071
01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:50,800
Church where it stands. Is there is there any movement

2072
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:52,600
or is it still like a stagnant thing or do

2073
01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:53,359
you see any.

2074
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:59,560
Speaker 5: Dude, that's that's all. They announced a whole new lineup album.

2075
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:03,560
Oh yeah, that's that's all done. They totally they totally

2076
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:09,279
bamboozled us. And yeah, it's pretty pretty disgusting what happened.

2077
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:13,880
You know, it's kind of funny. I read with somebody,

2078
01:43:15,199 --> 01:43:18,079
you know, obviously somebody always makes the tagging on something,

2079
01:43:18,119 --> 01:43:20,720
and I saw one one comment that made me fucking laugh.

2080
01:43:21,279 --> 01:43:25,279
They're like, oh, he knew, and he's just playing victim.

2081
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:29,079
I'm like listen, motherfucker. You weren't even you have no

2082
01:43:29,359 --> 01:43:32,319
fucking idea because you're not in it. You're not involved

2083
01:43:32,359 --> 01:43:36,640
in it. And can tell you right now, right right here,

2084
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:40,119
not playing victim, fucking victim of what you know, I

2085
01:43:40,199 --> 01:43:42,520
go that fucking that whole that whole thing was a

2086
01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:45,520
ship show from day one, if you want to know

2087
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:48,079
the truth, you know what I mean. But you know,

2088
01:43:48,199 --> 01:43:51,159
did not have conversations and get totally slighted like that,

2089
01:43:51,359 --> 01:43:54,760
especially in public, and then them and then singing that

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we quit.

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01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:58,680
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

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01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:00,920
Speaker 4: Nobody fucking quit. Nobody was fired.

2093
01:44:01,239 --> 01:44:03,560
Speaker 5: You just threw it under the table, like but we

2094
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:09,640
were talking about no one's gonna notice, and you know what,

2095
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:13,760
And honestly, that's the only thing that bothered me. You know,

2096
01:44:14,319 --> 01:44:16,680
you think that you're working with people that are supposed

2097
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:19,520
to be you know, comrades. You know, you're with them

2098
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:21,720
on tour day to day, and and all of a

2099
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:24,880
sudden and then they just totally blow you off in disregard, like,

2100
01:44:25,119 --> 01:44:28,199
you know, not even having a conversation to even say, hey, look,

2101
01:44:28,239 --> 01:44:31,079
you know what, you know, we're gonna go in another

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01:44:31,159 --> 01:44:33,119
direction or we don't agree with this or.

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01:44:33,119 --> 01:44:35,960
Speaker 4: What that was you know, but not to have that,

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01:44:36,319 --> 01:44:39,119
you know, and I mean, let's just put it this way.

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It was business.

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01:44:41,279 --> 01:44:43,960
Speaker 5: Business, that's all I'm gonna say. It was business that

2107
01:44:44,359 --> 01:44:49,199
the whole thing started to crumble. And you know it

2108
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:51,560
didn't have to end like that, but you know what, hey,

2109
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:55,399
whatever the thing is this, Like I said, the fans

2110
01:44:55,439 --> 01:44:58,079
are gonna go, They're gonna go, it's gonna be They're happy.

2111
01:44:58,199 --> 01:44:58,640
Speaker 4: That's cool.

2112
01:44:58,720 --> 01:44:58,960
Speaker 5: Great.

2113
01:44:59,039 --> 01:45:01,600
Speaker 4: I'm grateful for what I While I was there, everybody

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01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:02,119
was awesome.

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01:45:02,399 --> 01:45:06,000
Speaker 5: I thank them, and the support was awesome, and you know,

2116
01:45:06,199 --> 01:45:08,239
I did what I had to do, want and done.

2117
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:11,359
You know, the album did great, got great reviews, the

2118
01:45:11,479 --> 01:45:14,439
tours were awesome. I have no regret in any of that.

2119
01:45:14,800 --> 01:45:14,960
You know.

2120
01:45:15,199 --> 01:45:17,600
Speaker 4: How did I wish it would have went down different? Absolutely,

2121
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:18,319
you know what I mean.

2122
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:22,760
Speaker 5: But the moral of that story is communication is very

2123
01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:25,560
important and everything, you know what I mean a lot

2124
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:28,800
of those things could have been avoided just by having

2125
01:45:28,840 --> 01:45:29,760
a simple conversation.

2126
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:32,000
Speaker 4: But when certain parties don't want to even deal with

2127
01:45:32,079 --> 01:45:33,680
it and they just want to take their ball and

2128
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:34,119
go home.

2129
01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:35,600
Speaker 5: So there it is.

2130
01:45:35,680 --> 01:45:36,560
Speaker 2: You know, what, what can you do?

2131
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:39,079
Speaker 5: You know? And that's the honest truth. I mean, that's

2132
01:45:39,079 --> 01:45:40,640
as far as I'll get into it right now. But

2133
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:43,319
you know, that's that's where it's at, you know, so

2134
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:46,159
you know, going go enjoy the new record, Go go

2135
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:48,479
do what, do what you want, you know, but I'm

2136
01:45:48,479 --> 01:45:48,800
not there.

2137
01:45:49,079 --> 01:45:51,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well no, but it's good to be able to,

2138
01:45:51,399 --> 01:45:53,439
like at least, you know, kind of get your side out,

2139
01:45:53,479 --> 01:45:55,680
you know what I mean, because people are probably curious

2140
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:56,800
about everything.

2141
01:45:56,479 --> 01:45:58,279
Speaker 4: And you know, yeah, I'm being nice.

2142
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:03,279
Speaker 2: It's cool, that's good. It's always better to take the

2143
01:46:03,359 --> 01:46:04,800
high road, right, you know what I mean. You got,

2144
01:46:05,119 --> 01:46:06,960
you got enough going on, you know what I mean,

2145
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:10,239
You gotta onward enough, right, you got You're doing good

2146
01:46:10,279 --> 01:46:12,279
and you're still being creative.

2147
01:46:12,279 --> 01:46:14,119
Speaker 5: I just hope we're never on the same show with them.

2148
01:46:14,359 --> 01:46:22,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's new Bedford style. New Bedford style. Can

2149
01:46:22,439 --> 01:46:23,960
take the kid out of the out of the city,

2150
01:46:24,039 --> 01:46:25,399
can't take the city out of the kid.

2151
01:46:26,119 --> 01:46:26,560
Speaker 5: That's right.

2152
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:29,920
Speaker 2: But uh but yeah, man, where can people find you?

2153
01:46:30,079 --> 01:46:33,239
What's going on? Man? And where can people find out what?

2154
01:46:33,479 --> 01:46:33,520
Speaker 3: You?

2155
01:46:34,399 --> 01:46:34,920
Speaker 5: Instagram?

2156
01:46:35,479 --> 01:46:38,279
Speaker 4: That's my place. I like Instagram because I freaking love

2157
01:46:38,319 --> 01:46:39,159
my dog videos.

2158
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:42,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, my French dog videos all day, my friend's bulldog

2159
01:46:43,239 --> 01:46:44,199
and pizza and food.

2160
01:46:44,279 --> 01:46:45,960
Speaker 4: I'm good, dude, I'm cool. Man.

2161
01:46:46,039 --> 01:46:46,880
Speaker 5: That's that's what I like.

2162
01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:49,720
Speaker 2: I'll put it, I'll put I'll put the I'll put

2163
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:51,479
it in the link in the in the show notes

2164
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:52,479
so that people can find you.

2165
01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:55,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean it gets sped to everything else anyways.

2166
01:46:55,800 --> 01:46:59,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know it's always got Yeah, that's the

2167
01:46:59,359 --> 01:47:02,600
landing page. Then you can figure it out. But yeah, man,

2168
01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:04,319
if you need any if you if you're if you're

2169
01:47:04,760 --> 01:47:06,960
a good band and you need some artwork or a video,

2170
01:47:07,119 --> 01:47:08,680
hit him up. If you need a shit built, hit

2171
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:10,520
him up. If you need some vocals, hit him up.

2172
01:47:10,920 --> 01:47:14,159
He's a he's a man of many hats and a

2173
01:47:14,319 --> 01:47:16,359
and a and a master of them all. So it's good,

2174
01:47:17,439 --> 01:47:19,920
thank you. But yeah, man, it was good talking today.

2175
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:22,039
I'm gonna shut this off, but I'm not hanging up,

2176
01:47:22,079 --> 01:47:25,319
So just hold on one second, all right. That's another

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01:47:25,399 --> 01:47:28,239
one in the books, the first one of twenty twenty six.

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01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:30,680
We've got a lot more coming up in all the

2179
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worlds of that that the podcast handles, whether it's music, motorcycles,

2180
01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:37,840
or conspiracy and weird stuff. And again, once again I

2181
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:41,439
invite you, if you haven't already, go to Instagram at

2182
01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:45,239
Big Truth for dacted and give the conspiracy element a follow.

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01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:48,359
That's my new page that is gonna just be more

2184
01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:54,000
deeper dives specifically into conspiracy, uh, occult, weird stuff, paranormal

2185
01:47:54,119 --> 01:47:58,000
and high strangeness right. Also, make sure you follow the

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podcast specific Instagram at the Big Truth Podcast on Instagram.

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On Facebook, it's a Big Truth podcast Facebook dot com

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slash Big Truth Podcast. And if you haven't already subscribed

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to YouTube, go over to YouTube and subscribe over there

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2191
01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:17,199
to build those numbers up because I slept on YouTube

2192
01:48:17,239 --> 01:48:20,279
for so long. But yeah, follow all the new stuff

2193
01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:23,239
and keep a lock to We got a lot more

2194
01:48:23,279 --> 01:48:25,680
coming up, and I appreciate you listening all the way

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01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:27,359
to the end. You absolutely rule.

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Speaker 5: Marketing is hard.

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Speaker 2: But I'll tell you a little secret. It doesn't have

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to be.

2199
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Speaker 5: Let me point something out. You're listening to a podcast

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right now, and it's great.

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Speaker 2: You love the host, You seek it out and download it.

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Speaker 5: You listen to it while driving, working out, cooking, even

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going to the bathroom.

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