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Speaker 3: By four.
Speaker 4: Tu wild, we.
Speaker 2: Have a leftof gues. Once again we have lift off.
I want to thank you for tuning into this first
inaugural episode of twenty twenty six of the podcast. I'm
stoked to be here with my man Mark, who is
an old friend and an accomplished singer and vocalist in
the metal world and also producer, graphic designer, video production
guy like like a lot of us, a man of
many hats because you because you gotta have different hustles
and grinds to get by in this world. Nowadays you can, oh, yeah,
it'd be great to survive on one hustle, but unfortunately
for creatives that's not always an option. But but mack Man, uh,
the last time you came on, we were we were
in person. But now you're doing the smart thing and
you're snow burden on the other side of the country
and the world climate. It snowed here again. It snowed
more this year already than I think all of all
of last winter.
Speaker 5: It's yeah, it's funny. I was home for the holiday,
and I mean I like snow. You know, I'm not
you know, obviously it comes from there. And I've always
liked snow, a little bit of snow, and you know,
of course Christmas and stuff like that always makes it
kind of cool. And I was laughing because it's snowed
Christmas Eve just a little and then the day after Christmas.
So but it was cool because happened. I shoveled snow twice. Yeah,
I have a shovel snow and probably about seven years.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, never home, right yeah. Well, and
it's cool because you know, you know, especially on the
holidays when the gym's closed, you're like, all right, I'll
go shovel. That counts as a gym.
Speaker 5: Day, you know, right right. Yeah, And and then my
and then my car got totaled it was parked in
the snow. Yeah that was fun.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it was It was a very interesting visit
home for the holiday.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my shovel in the snow, and and I was
like it was funny. After the second time, I'm like, yeah,
it's time to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cool to have that option. That's the other
That's the great thing you know we're talking you know,
just in general though, like about having different hustles, is
that a lot of the stuff you can do you
can do from wherever. Right, So that's.
Speaker 5: Like the best you know, is being able to like
do like recording bulk. You know, I've been involved in
a ton of like recording you know, projects and stuff,
and I do that all myself. So I can do
that from pretty much anywhere, you know. Yeah, and then
the graphics and the video stuff I mean, I do
it from hotel rooms, airport, so whatever. And it's great,
you know, I mean technology, you know, technology is great
for stuff like that, you know what I mean. It's amazing,
you know, and and I'm grateful for that because gosh,
you know, you know, when I was doing just the building,
doing the construction stuff for a long time, which I
still do periodically, but you know, I couldn't leave the
area because that's where everything was, and you know, so
it was a different story, different story then, you know.
But now now unfortunate enough that I pick selects projects
that I like to come home to and do them
and then I can leave again, you know. So so
you know, but hey, you know what, it took a
long time to get to this point.
Speaker 4: You know, like yourself, We've done a lot of work.
Speaker 5: We've earned where we are, you know just what it
is we put the work and the time in and
then then you know, get get some of the reward
from it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm still the idiot that's so anchored down with
bricking mortar businesses that I'm just like, yeah, but I
love it and hate it, you know what I mean.
I'm not complaining. I'm just saying it. You know, everything's
a every there's a lot of days where it'd be
like it'd just be easier to have a regular ass
nine to five job. I wouldn't like it, but it'd
be easier. It's definitely easier, you know what I mean.
But but yeah, you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 5: But in the long run, it's you know, I always said,
like I was just like explaining this to some other people,
is that if you're going to be a slave.
Speaker 4: To the system, so to say, at least be your own.
Speaker 2: Boss, be your own slave master. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I get you know, so in.
Speaker 5: No way, in that way, it's a little bit. It's
a it's one level left to bitch.
Speaker 2: A ball, absolutely no, no, and and obviously it's tired
of a bitch when you've chose this path, right, so
it's like, yeah, you know, you get what you asked for.
But yes, also you know, as much of a struggle
these things are when you're when you were crawling your
way or like scraping or fighting your way through this
life and on your own terms, there's a gratification to
that that that isn't that someone who just has a
normal ninety five doesn't experience.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, like you know, I'll go into the
the music realm of things because you know, that's a
extremely difficult place to excel. Sure, and I've been very
very very very fortunate to you know, be doing what
I do at the level that I do it at.
But the one thing that I always can look back
at is that did it my way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know it took me a long time, but
I did it my way.
Speaker 5: And I didn't you know, didn't have to be a
dick about it, or you know, be a diva or
have all these any kind of outrageous demands like so
many people do. It was just having a standard, you know,
having integrity, having you know, a code. You know, you know,
you're like me, we're old school in a lot of
those ways. And I think that carries over more now
than ever before, because that integrity, that stoic you know,
that stoic stance at just standing by your your thing.
There's not a lot of that. People just seem to
bend the knee just to get to the next place.
And I'd rather I'd just rather not, you know, And
and and especially at this point, no, you know, no way, dude,
I'm not going to start now, and if that means,
you know, maybe doing something less or whatever, then so
be it.
Speaker 4: But I don't believe. I don't believe that if you push.
Speaker 5: That kind of energy out that you're going to get
it back, because it's non negative, you know, it's just
that you're making a stand for yourself, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think one thing just as like a
as an observation, and you can correct me if I'm wrong,
But I think something like, you have a long time
in the game, like we were in high school, like
and you had you had Hammer Smith, I had I
t I you know, we talked about this on the
last episode. Yeah, but we go back a long way,
like the late eighties and stuff, and you have a
long time in the game, and you uh, you know,
you honed your craft, and you know, like not only
you do vocals, like I know you play stuff, and
I know you program stuff, and I know you engineer,
and you you've you've like getting involved in all aspects
of your craft, right, but when you found like when
you kicked up to the next level with like Ross
the Boss or Metal Church, you were already you had
a good foundation behind you. So you're going into it
with a way better mindset and more level headedness than
if you found that level of success maybe when you're
in your twenties and you're got do you know what
I mean? So so you have the benefit of that,
like you're going to you you found you got, you
kicked up, You leveled up when you already had a
lot of experience and wisdom behind you. So that gives
you probably more respect for it. But also you're smarter
about things than you know, if we found out levels
of success when we were twenty and we were just idiots,
like yeah, yeah, like sure, it would have been a
lot funner. It probably would have been a lot funner,
but it would have been a whole different game, right.
Speaker 5: It would have been done a long time ago, we
all being rehab or yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And and honestly, and and respect to you too,
it's you found this level, you leveled up when you
were already sober, like you know you, I mean, well, that.
Speaker 5: Was the that was the that was the interesting thing.
Like I had just started to be sober and then
the opportunity came and I ran with it, you know,
And it was scary because you imagine you're trying to
you're just sober and you're on tour and Booze is
free everywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I.
Speaker 5: Think I think the thing that saved me is because
I was so green to touring and doing things at
that level that I was so concerned about the show
and the performance that that kind of automatically was taking
a back seat. Thank the Gods, you know. Yeah, And
so yeah, that was that definitely. I mean, yeah, if
we would have got this in our in our twenties,
oh gosh, you know, you know, we would have been Yeah,
we probably wouldn't be doing it.
Speaker 2: Now, you know, Yeah, we probably wouldn't be having both
here and having these conversations in this conversation.
Speaker 4: Nope, not at all, you know.
Speaker 5: But I mean, but it's interesting because you you know,
like I probably said this before, but like when like
at this level, when I'm I'm when I'm playing, like
you know, like for instance, I've just played hell Fest
this past summer, right, like the biggest festival now.
Speaker 4: Right, and I was like I was.
Speaker 5: Still a fanboy, like some of my favorite bands that
I'd never seen before or haven't seen a gazillion years
or whatever, we're playing, and I was super excited about that,
and you know it, it puts you in a different
I always feel like the fans still even though I'm
in it and I'm doing this stuff at the level
that everybody else is mostly doing it except for.
Speaker 4: The tear bier tear bands, but you know, and it's
but I'm always there.
Speaker 5: I'm just like I'm a fan and I talked to
everybody and and so happy to be there and it's genuine,
It's it's just the way i am happy to be
there and excited and I'm on the side jamming now
so many times I laugh, you will watch it, you know,
while they're cool, which I'm I'm on the side of jamming,
you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know, and I think that's another thing too,
like that for finding kicking up, leveling up at this stage,
you're not as jaded as if you've been doing it
for this level of touring for thirty years, you know
what I mean, Because you talked like I know, we
both know a lot of guys that have been around
and doing this stuff forever and they don't even come
out of the back room, where like I'll still go out,
you know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's brutal, and you know, it's kind of it's
it's interesting because like I've I've definitely had you know,
issues with that with people that I play with because
they have been doing it far longer obviously, And.
Speaker 4: And I get it, you know, tired or whatever.
Speaker 5: We're all tired. I mean, that's no matter what you know.
But the one thing that I always keep I always
say it is I'm like, you have to remember why
you're here, no matter what you know. We're all tired,
and you have no idea what you're even coming out
to say hi, to take a pitch of whatever could
mean to somebody. It really could. And I don't I
think they sometimes that gets lost And I get it.
I mean I do understand it. But at the same time,
I still am like, well, you know, if you're here
getting X amount of dollars to do with performance and play,
then the least you could do is, you know, be
cool with the fans, you know, for real. And I
mean I've seen some I've seen some really shitty things,
you know, and without naming.
Speaker 4: Names, but I definitely have seen some shitty things.
Speaker 5: But I'll also be the first person that goes in
the back after and go, what the fuck, dude, that.
Speaker 4: Was fucking lame.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll call everybody out.
Speaker 2: Again. Having found level of success later in life, you
don't you just give less of a shit about stuff
like that.
Speaker 5: I know, what are you going to do?
Speaker 2: Whatever?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And sometimes you know, people need that, man, one they
need they need your enthusiasm and your genuine, genuine excitement
about things to reinvigorate them and to sometimes people need
to be called out and knocked off little dumb pedestals
that don't need to be there, like you know what
I mean. Like sometimes people need to be humbled and
reoriented to you know what this all is. Like. You'll
be stoked that you can do this, like you know
what I mean, because how because if you don't want
to do it, there's forty thousand other bands that would
love to take your spot, dude.
Speaker 5: That's the thing, you know, no shortage exactly.
Speaker 4: And you know in.
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, there's people like what you just
say though, they don't want to face any of that,
and they'll just they'll avoid it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, they'll be like I don't want.
Speaker 5: To deal with that, you know, and just just the
way it is, and they think they can blow things
under the blanket and you know, swipe it away like
it's going to go away. It's like, nah, dude, you're
still a dick, you know what I mean, You're still
a dick. Doesn't matter who the fuck you get or
whatever the thing is, You're still a dick.
Speaker 4: And that's just the fucking way it is, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 5: And you don't want to hear it because you think
it's holy than thou, whatever, great, whatever, And that's great
if you want to live your life like that, that's
that's cool. But I you know, I'm good. I don't
want to be there, you know what I mean. I
I you know, I know too many way better people
and I don't want to be around that. You know,
I don't need that negativity. I don't like it, especially
honestly at this point after everything that I've seen over
the last couple through two three years, you know what, dude,
have at it, man, you know, it's like I've been
so disappointed by so many people that that has having
climbed even up further up the ladder. It was like,
I'm gonna be honest, it really was kind of earth
shattering at some points, be like Oh my god, I
can't even believe that this is this is even a
thing at this level.
Speaker 4: Why are we what's going on here?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 5: Why is this even happening? It's very mind blowing, you
know what I mean, because because so you and I
it would it makes absolutely no common sense. There's no
sense in it. What what Why are we even having
this conversation? Why is this even an issue? Right famous?
And but it's there, and it's there. And if people
can make, you know, they say that, you know, they
make the smallest thing huge and you're like, what, you know,
that's that's nothing. You know, what are you doing? You
know you should be happy to be to be doing this,
and you know, and no, no, no, it's the end
of the fucking world to some people. And it's like
you're just sitting there going, oh my god, I don't
I don't understand this, you know. And then it becomes
a problem when it starts to affect your income, because
this is job, that becomes a problem. And that's when
that's when things in bands get ugly. And that's yeah, yeah, exactly.
Anybody that knows knows exactly what I'm talking about. And
it's that's when it gets ugly because now you're not
just now it's not just having a disagreement about the
color of the logo on the album cover or whatever.
Now you're talking about like, well, shit, you know this
month's rent, Where the fuck am I going to get it?
Because I'm on the I'm supposed to be out on
the road. Now you're not going to go on the
road because you pull the hissy fit. And now I
have like two weeks to try to figure out how
to make a monch worth of money salary because now
I'm not going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you had counted on that as being income
that was coming in and now it's pulled out from
under you. And and you know, not everyone has a
healthy you know, right, has a bank account to fall
back on type.
Speaker 4: Of thing, right, I mean, you know obvious.
Speaker 5: I mean, I I'm smart enough to always plan for
a disaster because they do happen. But at the same time,
it's like, you know, you're planning. You know, people don't
understand it, Like a lot of a lot of people
don't understand it. When you're doing your touring and all
these things, it's like you're planning six to a year out,
six months to a year out ahead. You're in twenty
five and you've already you've already planned it to the
end of twenty six, right, yeah, and if you pull
the plug on all that, you know, a year's worth
of stuff or whatever, and then you're big. You know,
as you say, he is left there with the dick
in your hand. Really, you know what I mean, because
you're like, well, what, well, what you know? Because you
just you changed everything you you you've you've you've modified it,
you know, and then you have to adapt, you gotta change,
which is it's just the nature of the beast that happens.
I get that, and you know, not sitting here whining
about it. I'm just trying to explain that circumstances like
that can happen, and it's a it's very unfortunate, you
know that. You know, those tips of things happen and
people let you down, and you know it, and hence
why like people like us, we have our own businesses
because then that can't.
Speaker 2: Happen, or if it does happen, it's a contingency and
you know what I mean, it's it's something and then
we can.
Speaker 5: Right exactly, you know, when you're when you're in an organization,
so to say, and you know, you have a say,
but you don't have every all to say, which is
fine whatever, But when when a certain part of that
mechanism polls and then the whole thing collapses, you know,
then you really don't have any option to just you know,
sit there and you know, hope that it can be resolved.
But you know, but when when you're handling your own thing,
then it's you know, you you you adapt, you pivot
and you do you think.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, well that's why it's good. Like you know,
with your video stuff or your or your production stuff,
or your graphic design stuff like or even your construction stuff.
It's like you don't have to rely on any anybody else,
Like like, no one can pull the rug. The only
person that can pull the rug from under you is you, exactly.
You're probably not going to do that.
Speaker 5: No, and the thing too, you know obviously sometimes jobs
might fall through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something happen, but you know.
Speaker 4: You're one of those you just go and find something else.
Speaker 5: You just have a you know, a way of doing it.
And that's you know, that's when we would that comes
back to a round. Sometimes I wish it worked at
nine to five. You just have to wake up in
the morning, you know. But then you do it and
you're like, fuck, this sucks. I wish I had my
own well, and most of.
Speaker 2: The time when you're working a nine to five, you're
making some rich guy richer, you know what I mean. Like,
you know that depends what you're doing, you know, it depends. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I remember I worked for this big shed company there's
a long time ago, and you know sheds, you know,
it's big money, big.
Speaker 5: Big money.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And I was like, you know, we're knocking these you know,
ten thousand dollars sheds out in.
Speaker 2: Like a day or two. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I'm saying to myself and I'm getting how much
an hour?
Speaker 2: I'm like, what, no way, because any if you're smart
enough to go all right, materials, is this much?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: This is how much I'm getting paid. And then it's like,
all right, so is this much profit? Where's that going?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: And I'm like I was like, nah, dude, I'm like no,
I can't that.
Speaker 4: That can't happen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I was the smartest thing I was the day,
you know, I was like, wow, you know, already like
like six months down the road, you've already made like
fucking three times what you would have made if you
would have stayed. You know, you're like a lot, you know,
and uh, it's a skill, and you know every if
you have a skill, then go for it, man, because
you're really you know, you're only gonna if you really
want to put one thousand percent into something, you'll definitely
benefit from it, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So this is the first show with twenty twenty six,
right two twenty five. In a lot of ways, it
was was one of it was probably one of the
wilder years on record, right, you know what I mean,
like in general, like in all different aspects of things
like recap, Man, what was your twenty twenty five? Like,
cause you when you when you came on, was it
twenty five? No, it was you came on with twenty Oh.
Speaker 5: Dude, I can't dude, I was on I had just
got that gig, So it was twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: Okay, So yeah, it's been a couple of years. So
what's uh the twenty twenty five recap? What was going
on with Mark? You know what I mean? What happened?
Speaker 5: I uh, yeah, twenty twenty five that Let's see, how
can I put it. I mean, business was fine, you know,
definitely did a lot of graphics. I did some We
did some really good touring with Ross the Boss, went
to Australia, usually successful. We did our first full We
did like three dates in Turkey, which was way better
than you could I could have thought, especially it was
just when they had had those big riots in this
damn buol. And I remember we basically decided that morning
when we were taken the plane over whether we were
going to going on because we didn't know what it
was going to be like over there. And I'm glad
we did, because you know, medium makes it a lot
worse than what it is. Sometimes it's all I can say.
And we went there and we were welcomed with open arms,
treated amazingly. The people were awesome, Yeah, totally awesome.
Speaker 2: They're probably even more appreciative that knowing that you're coming
when there's turmoil going on, like right, a lot of
people were to cancel, but when you show up, people,
especially in countries that don't get a lot of shows
like that, they're super appreciative.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and especially in a country like that where there's
definitely a lot of cultural differences. Yeah, you know, but
I think again, the media blows all that stuff up
a lot more than we even realized. You know, you're
there and yet and it's interesting because that was a
very eye opening trip because there was a lot of
aspects of their culture that I never I didn't understand.
Speaker 4: And luckily I have some really good friends.
Speaker 5: There and we had had a conversation, you know, like
adults should, and I learned a lot and I was
glad I did because it gave me a better understanding
I did that I didn't know before. So I mean,
that's probably one of the things. That's one thing about touring,
especially in my position, that I'm so grateful for, is
that I've experienced so much different kind of cultures. And
you know, when you go to like a like Turkey,
or you go to Russia or you these these these
places are totally different than the West.
Speaker 4: You know, but at the same time than not you
know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So it's a but you would never know that if
you just watched the news, you would never know these things,
you know. So that was very that was definitely cool.
So yeah, and you know, we did we did Europe
in Denmark and Hellfest, we did a ton of really
awesome festivals Spain.
Speaker 4: We do really well in Spain.
Speaker 5: But you know, the roster boss thing is it's it's
all it's it's man of war stuff, you know.
Speaker 4: So and don't get me wrong, it's so much fun.
Speaker 5: I love it. I mean, nothing's it's it's such a
good time, you know. And the crowds are always enthusiastic,
you know.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, and and and yeah, the elephant in the room
is definitely at that. You know, for most of twenty
twenty five, there was no nobody knew what was going
on with Mental Church, and we basically, I mean when
Midal Church canceled the tour in twenty twenty four, there
was a lot of things going on behind the scenes
that we kind of just we didn't make public obviously,
and we kind of with you know, people get mad,
people have disagreements, and we kind of just let things
lay for where they were in hopes that maybe, you know,
we can have a conversation like adults should if there's
a disagreement, resolve in one way or the other right,
you know, whether it's yes or no, whatever the case
may be.
Speaker 4: But there was no communication.
Speaker 5: For that whole time, and and you know I had
I did a lot of interviews and a lot of
people were always asking when I that I didn't know
it was the truth. I did not know, you know,
the last thing that I had heard, I kind of
got to be honest and be one hundred honest. I
there was definitely some some half truth to what was
going on, and I went along with it only because
I didn't feel you know, I still felt that if
we were if there was, they need to be conversations
before anything could be said, you know. So you know,
I had a lot of I definitely wasn't a happy person,
so you know, personally, I had to deal with a
lot of in the demons when it comes to that
stuff because I worked so hard and to just not
get any kind of respect of an answer for anything,
no matter what it was, after the amount of work
that I put into that band. Yeah, that didn't go
over too well with me for a long time, so well,
you know, I had to Definitely that was always in
the back of my mind. I wish it wouldn't have
I wish it wouldn't have overtaken me as much as
it did. But my passion for what I do is
so intense that's the part to bother me, you know,
you know, financially that sucked too.
Speaker 4: But again, like we talk and make it up in
other ways.
Speaker 5: So it really wasn't that. It was more in a nutshell.
Now we've come out to where we are now, it's
basically no integrity, the cowardest the cowardice of not confronting
any of the issues, whether good or bad, didn't matter.
In my book, that doesn't work you know where you know,
because we come from the same place. That doesn't fly.
If there's an issue, no matter what, it is easy
I freaking take it out in the schoolyard. So to say, well,
you have that discussion and you know each person and
goes fuck you, and then that's the end of it.
But when that doesn't even happen, that's a that's a
tough nail to bite, you know. And then you know,
obviously the conclusion of it is to find out everything
on the internet. That was the ultimate fuck you and
that does not bide well with me personally, which will
be addressed in another time.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so so that was a big you stinging
to me.
Speaker 5: Thankfully I was still able to play and do stuff
with Ross, which I'm eternally grateful for and it was awesome.
But yeah, I mean, it definitely was a rough year
coming off the tail end of that, and then obviously
towards the end of the year when all that other
stuff came out. You know, I definitely wouldn't say I
would want to be in the same room as me,
But you know, we got through it, and it's how cool.
But and but in a strange kind of way, out
of that, amazing stuff happened, right. I finally got new
let us pray my band, finally new stuff coming out
in February, got a new deal for it, got offered
a sol solo deal, so to say.
Speaker 4: I call it a project because I don't like the
whole solo thing.
Speaker 5: It's weird, and that was offered to me and it's
it's a wild concept, and I'm really excited about that.
And then I've been fortunate enough to be I just
did this yacht metal thing that actually it was the
craziest thing I never thought I would do in a
million years. I had a blast and it charted. How
crazy is it that it charted. I didn't even know
what was coming out. And the label calls me to
like oh yeah, it's coming out tomorrow, okay. And then
then they're sending me text message it's number seven. What
what are we talking about? They're like yeah, it's it's
like it's number seven in the chart.
Speaker 2: I'm like, od, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I was like, wow, okay, that's that's pretty fucking funny.
Speaker 2: Okay, So what's what for people that might not be familiar,
what's what's yacht metal?
Speaker 5: Well? I mean basically it's all metal covers of yacht
rock song y Yeah and Mine Mine Wash Magic from
the band America. And it was cool because they kind
of like they let me do what I wanted pretty much.
And I remember, you know, there's a part in the
song if you know, the song where it goes dude,
and I was coming up to that going how am
I gonna do this? And I remember, you know, I
like had like eight eight to ten layers of vocals,
and you know, I was like, oh, well, you know
kind of sounds like the record type of thing, you know,
And I was like, I don't like that.
Speaker 4: So I go I told the label, I like, yeah, yeah,
I'm gonna try something here. Let me know you think.
Speaker 5: So, you know, I changed the whole thing up, and
then they ended up changing it again and putting with
what I did, and.
Speaker 4: I was like, wow, this is really cool. So I
like that.
Speaker 5: You know, it's Cleopatra Records and they're awesome. I love
working with them. I've already done like four different projects
with them. I did a Rainbow tribute that's not out yet,
and that was wild because I mean I would do
some of the deal stuff and I mean, it's the deal,
you know. I mean it's kind of sacred territory. And
I remember there, you know, there was certain things about it.
I was like, you know, I don't I don't feel
that I'm going to do this any justice there. And
they're like, no, no, no, do it. You know, do
it how you would do it. And I'm like, okay,
you know, so so I did it. And I remember
sending it in going there hate this man, this is
you know, oh this is great, and I'm like, wow, okay.
Speaker 4: All right, great man. I well, all right, well that's
another one.
Speaker 5: And then you know, I just got asked to do
a deep purple one, and you know, so it keeps
me working.
Speaker 4: I'm in the studio.
Speaker 2: Are you are you doing all the are you recording
all the music yourself on these two like all the vocals, Yeah,
just are they sending you the tracks? Are you recording
like yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, yep, yeah and whatever. Whereas like with the
would let Us Pray, it's two of us and we
do everything. Yes, that's a totally different thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: No, With like those covers, are they like who's the
back in band or is it like well, that's the thing.
Speaker 5: Well, that's the thing is that they got all these
these cats, you know, dudes from like Saxon and Ausy
and all these like well known established people, and you know,
you don't find out who's on the track till it's done.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's kind of cool, right.
Speaker 5: I did this one track for I thought it was
it was weird because when I got the track, it
didn't sound metal and it was it was kind of
reminded me of like an offspring type of thing. Right,
So they were like, you know, I go, you know,
how do you want me to sing this? Still? Like,
because they sent me a vocal guide, just a simple
vocal guide from the person who wrote it, and I
was like, well, it sounds very you know, kind of
punk pop or something like that. And I'm like, you know, no, no,
no singing, singing the way you sing. And I'm like okay,
and I'm like, what is this for? And at first
it was they were like, oh, it's gonna it was
like this soundtrack for like this kind of like b
horror movie type thing. And I'm like, oh, okay, I
kind of get the idea, you know, well when I
get the track. Finally, when it's done, I find out
it's for. It's been like totally redone like musically, and
it's Chris Poland from Megadeth back in the day and
Marty Freeman's on it.
Speaker 4: I'm like what. I'm like, I would to sing it
different if I would have known that, but you know, but.
Speaker 5: It sounds cool. But you know, so it's cool to
do stuff like that. And it's the same thing with
this this solo thing. It's like, you know, they gave
me like they're like, we want to do like half
original and half covers and and like here's a list
of people that we have access to right now. And
I'm looking at it, going, you know, okay, and I'm like,
so I can get this person. You're like, yeah, pick.
Speaker 2: It's like a menu you're looking at like you're looking
at like a menu of like a taris and drummers
and bass players. You're like, yeah, I'll take I'll take
a little of this, a little of that.
Speaker 5: Little.
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm looking at it going.
Speaker 5: I wrote back, You're serious and like, yeah, you know,
put your dreamlets together and we'll see what we can
come up with. I'm like, wow, I'm like, okay, well this,
you know, that kind of puts a whole different spin
on her, right, And but of course I have to
have some of my guys in walls of course, you know,
especially for the original stuff. So but I still haven't,
like it's weird, like trying to pick the covers to do,
like that's been, that's been, and that's been a task.
I haven't really fully even decided on it.
Speaker 2: The thing with covers, right, is that to make a
truly great cover, you have to take a song. I
almost feel like you have to you almost have to
take a song that no one would think you would
do and make it your own so that it's as
good or better, but in a different way than the original.
Speaker 5: I agree, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't sound like like I would never
want to be a punk band doing a cover of
a punk song, like because you know what I mean,
unless you're gonna do something completely different with it. Otherwise
it's just like let them let the original band sing
that song, unless it's like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like, there's there's one cover on it that's metal.
That The only reason why I picked it is because
it's super obscure. It's a band that should have been huge,
and I was like, I could put my own cool,
different spin to it, but keep true to the tune.
That was the only reason why I picked out. But
the other ones are not metal, and I'm excited because
I when I hear them, I'm like, oh, imagine if
that was heavy would really cool, you know, because I
want to want to do something like that. And then
they start thinking, go, who.
Speaker 4: Can I get to play on this?
Speaker 5: You know, and then that's when it gets really interesting,
you know, And then they aren't talking about with the originals,
like well, who do you want to play on this one?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh my god, I even think of that,
you know.
Speaker 5: So that's that's you know again, out of the dark
comes the Light, and that's been super super exciting, a
little stressful, but exciting because like now I have all
these things happening, I've got to let us pray things
starting to pop.
Speaker 4: That's they want that.
Speaker 5: And then you know, I still doing this and again
totally grateful and it's awesome. But I'm like, oh man,
you know, actually I feel better than I did all
year stressing out about all this nonsense. And you know what, Hey,
you guys, go do whatever it is you want to do.
Speaker 4: I don't care, you know, yeah, it is what it is.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: The things that need to be dealt with will be
dealt with at another time, you know. But so yeah,
and you know, scaling up the graphics and video business.
I just did Raven's video for their Metallica cover, and
I'm doing Nashville Pussy's new EP artwork.
Speaker 2: Oh they're coming back, so.
Speaker 5: Yeah they actually they just did a big tour with
Buck Cherry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they were they were like I used to
love their old old stuff, like when they were still
like go, motherfucker go, like when they were still like
well and then they got more like rock and it
was still good. But then I haven't. I was just
talking about this with somebody the other who's talking about this,
like a couple of people with that, there's that whole
genre of like motor infuse speed rock punk stuff that
was beyond any genre, like them and Zeke and all
the stuff they used to come out on that Kozis label.
There are Man's Ruined Turboa Season stuff where it was
like really like I don't know, motor infuse like rock
like or speed punk and roll like weird stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like that motorhead attitude rock.
Speaker 2: Punk like weird. Yeah, it's like a mix. It was
like beyond every genre. And and like Nashal Pussy was
one of those bands and they were so good and
I just hadn't heard from him in a long time.
And he had the other band there, Nine Pounds Camera,
that was kind of like that too, And uh yeah,
it's cool that they're coming back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's funny.
Speaker 2: How did you get hooked up with this?
Speaker 5: Ross actually was the one that recommended me to to them,
and uh, you know, it's a whole New York thing,
I guess, And uh, you know, Ross being with the
Dictators you can see where that you know, that that
fusion happens, and uh yeah, they they were they're awesome,
They're they're they're characters.
Speaker 4: In real life they're they're really cool. But it's funny.
Speaker 5: You got that musician artist business crazy border a lot.
You know.
Speaker 4: You could like they'll be.
Speaker 5: Like, oh, well this and this, and then you're looking
at from an artist perspective, like you know, a musician perspective,
and you get it.
Speaker 4: But then from a business perspective, you're like, no, no, no.
Speaker 5: You need to you need to make that decision or
whatever because you know you're you're losing money because I
was a passing.
Speaker 4: But from a from a musician position, you're like, oh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I totally understand. Yeah, so you gotta have to
meld it all together.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah. But that's why you're a good guy for
that type of job, because you get you you get
it from all the different aspects right right.
Speaker 5: And that's why it's it's I have an awesome time
worker with everybody's Like.
Speaker 4: I was working with the Raven guys and I was like,
that was so cool.
Speaker 5: I mean, growing up a Raven doing a metallic I
was like, oh, this is so cool, you know, and
then the drama from Raven's actually a really good friend
of mine was in fair Factory, so you know, he
hooked me up with that, and that was really cool
because I love her Raven and but the Nashville pussy
thing is so freaking This. A funny part about it was,
you know, I'm like, well, what do you want for
the album cover? So I want I don't want to
give it all the way, but one aspect it was like, yeah,
we want just like this big aorgy. I'm like what.
I'm like, like, I'm all, you know, okay, that's cool,
and You're like, so like just these bodies are just
orgie and I'm thinking to myself, oh, you know, that's
not gonna be a big deal, dude. I had the
hardest time trying to freaking get reference for what they
were exactly looking for.
Speaker 4: That was the part that took me the longest.
Speaker 5: But it was funny because the concept when I when
I think about it, it's fucking The album cover came
out awesome, but it was it's just funny and when
you first heard it, like, oh yeah, big big olgie
what And I'm like, see, wait a second, you know
who you're dealing. Ah, yes, okay, so but yeah, I
mean we just finished it, so that's cool. And it
got delayed because they went on that tour. So it's
like an EP of ten inch It's pretty cool. So yeah,
so yeah, that was Yeah, you know, get to do
stuff like that, it's really it's really really really cool.
Speaker 4: So yeah, you know, getting to separate that.
Speaker 5: And I mean I got so many gigs obviously from
my musician friends and a lot of them, you know.
Now I got into doing. Another thing that I got
started getting into was because of video production stuff. All
the big festival screens and we did one for I
did one for hell Fest and you know, obviously I
can't hardly see him playing, you know, so you see
videos online and it's like, you know, when you see
your work up on a ninety foot screen, it's like
that's all that's cool, you know. So I've been offering
that now because a lot of people like I go
to these shows and see some of these back and
I'm like, what is that.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm like, I go, hey, hey, what's going on?
Speaker 5: Man? By the way I do this, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the cool thing is that a lot
of places now, instead of like a curtain, they have
a digital thing, so you can get way more creative
with it. And I remember, I don't know how many
years ago it was now, probably seventy years ago, Like
when Black Sabbath did another tour with Ozzie and it
was all the original members except for the drummer. They
played at Great Woods, and the backdrop it was all
it was just all the stuff you would want for
Black Sabba. It was just like you know, nuclear testing
and all right, all armageddon doom stuff, and it was
it added so much to the show, to the ambiance
if it's done right, it like it made it way
more damn like this is like you know, doo me
Black Sabbath, and it was like, yeah, this is look,
I'm looking at armageddon right now and this makes one
hundred sense.
Speaker 5: A perfect example of that. And I'm so happy. My
favorite band in the universe is Iron Maiden. And I
remember going to the last tour, not this this one
that's happening, but the last one, the future past tour, right,
and I was like, these guys are still using god
damn back drops, but it's.
Speaker 2: A different backdrop for every song. I was at that thing.
This is crazy. That's when they came out with high right,
they had the inflatable, but it's been the.
Speaker 5: Same stage twenty five fucking years. Yeah, and I'm like
one of these guys. And then finally this tour, it's
insane digital screens, but the way that they're doing it
all I was like, finally, this is exactly what you always.
Speaker 4: Wanted from Iron Maiden.
Speaker 5: And you know what, maybe they waited because you know,
it took took the technology to catch up to where
they really wanted, because that from what I've seen, because
it hasn't come to the stage yet, but the technology
is just off the wall, looks like you know, this
stuff looks three D like it's coming out and it's
like off a screen, and that's pretty hard to do
on that scale. Yeah, so you know, maybe that's why
they waited, But I thank the gods they did it
because I was like, I can't take another told goddamn backdrops.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, they seem to have stuff pretty dialed in,
and they seem to be pretty smart about the band
and the business. So like it's probably what you said.
I mean, yes, I mean they got their own was.
Speaker 5: Always That's why I could never figure it out. I was,
I don't understand. I mean, these guys are like the
you know, the top of the game, you know what
I mean, why are we I mean, I have a
I have.
Speaker 4: You know, I can respect the whole nostalgic aspect of it, but.
Speaker 5: We've been doing this for a long time, you know,
nostalgia just kind of passing us with that we need
to move on. So when I saw that they were
doing it, was it was just like yeah, and I mean,
I mean, I'm never gonna give away what I know
what I've seen, but.
Speaker 4: What the way that they're using it.
Speaker 5: They're not doing it like anybody else, which hats off
to them for that. You know, if you're gonna do it,
then they're gonna do it. And that's how I made mentality.
So it makes sense, you know. But I'm I'm super
psyched to see that this tour because even more so
because of that in the Setless rules.
Speaker 2: But so you're working on a solo record and a
Lettus Pray record simultaneously bouncing between the two or like
how does that work? Like how do you manage?
Speaker 5: Well? Well, well, here's what's interesting. So me and John
I've been working with my music partner and let Us
Pray now for gosh fifteen years. Like wow, I'd look
back and I'm thinking how much we've only got one album.
But obviously I got sidetracked because of all the stuff
that I was doing. But I always figured that that
would help with that, you know. Sure, but we ended
up now we're sitting on god like forty to fifty.
Speaker 4: Songs, you know.
Speaker 5: And but here's what the interesting part is that I like,
we had had had a second album written, right, but
that album's not relevant now to us, and we've grown
and so you end up like, oh, right, well this
we did this, and then we're like, oh, but these
songs are way cooler, and you kind of put thus
off to the back burner and you're like, these are cool.
And then you know, he's a machine. He's constantly constantly
writing all the time. Now, just like anything else, not
everything's going to be exactly the you know, the the
you know, the the top a saw. I mean, none
of it's not junk. It's just like maybe it's not
something that you would use. So what happens is now
and because he's very versatile, I'm versatile, and we have
a lot of different influences, you start to hear that
there's different things that might fit, might not fit. And
even though I don't like having boundaries. I came to
with a point where would let us pray there was
something that I wanted to do that I felt wasn't
being done within the genre of of that kind of metal,
and I was like, I really want to hone in
on that for this going forward. So you have a
ton of material back here that's not would not fit.
So what I'm doing is some of the stuff that's
gonna end up on this thing will be some of
these unused type of things. But I'm also working with
a couple of other writers because I don't want it
to sound like a letters Pray version two or.
Speaker 4: Something, you know what I mean, And I don't want
to approach it like that.
Speaker 5: So you know, it's it's kind of cool though, because
you're going back to these these older risks, but and
now you're looking at them different. It's like, all right, well,
this isn't gonna this isn't going for this, This is
going for this type of thing, you know. And so
that that that's been a little tricky, And for me,
it's melodies and stuff are not hard to come up with.
And this is gonna sound probably crazy to some people,
but lyrics are the part for me that holds me
up all the time because I'm a I come from
a school where lyrics means something sure, and I feel
that whatever I put down, I got to mean it.
And I mean for myself, because don't get me wrong,
I've definitely written stuff for other people, you know, other
songs that I've done with that you know, they fit that,
you know, like like ross stuff, right and about swords
and shields or whatever. You know, that's that's cool.
Speaker 4: I would never put that in my stuff, but for.
Speaker 2: That, yeah, it works, you know.
Speaker 5: So it was and it was stuff we grew up with,
and I'm going to say, I don't like it, you
know what I mean. I love all that fantasy stuff too, obviously,
but it wasn't something that I wanted to purvey because
I feel like with my own my I have a
personal mission, you know, and so making sure that I
say what I want to say within the art form
that I'm trying to create is very very important.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you can relate to that as well, and
you know, and so that's probably why.
Speaker 5: But then also I've come to the point in my
life where I'm like, all right, you you have to
just start you get to that point where you you
think everything has to be perfect as an artist, you know,
you're like, oh my god, it's gonna be when you
then you have to come to the realization that, like
when you start doing stuff at this pace and things
need to happen, you have to put a kebash on
it and go all right, I'm forcing myself. And that's
not a bad thing, because that's actually a really good
thing sometimes because it forces you to pull that creativity
because in my belief, which I think it already exists anyway,
So it's like pulling it out of the universe and
going here, it is getting.
Speaker 2: The download, getting the download.
Speaker 4: Exactly what do they call the Arcaseian you know, the
thing that Einstein said.
Speaker 5: Or whatever, the quantum the quantum, right, I'm right, yeah, exactly.
And I was like, yeah, I mean it, that makes
sense because it is there. It's already there. You're if
you're already thinking about it, it's already starting the thing,
and you're overcoming.
Speaker 4: That whole fear of putting it down on paper, so
to say.
Speaker 5: You know, so with this letters pray thing, I was
psyched because it kind of came quick, you know, and
because we weren't really planning I was playing.
Speaker 4: I kept talking and always always some.
Speaker 5: Kind of excuse, you know, of why, and it always
came down to like, I don't know, it's gonna be
you know, it's gonna be the greatest thing since you know,
freaking the invention of you know, chocolate milk or whatever.
And it's like, dude, that's not gonna happen, you know.
So it was like force me. It's like, all right,
I'm doing this, and we're doing it and and here
we are. You know, I'm psyched about that. It was.
I always felt that you're going to open the gate
and then move on out, you know, so, which is
good because then it couldn't have happened at a time
with everything that's going on, you know.
Speaker 2: And now that you have a deal, it's cool too.
Now that you have a deal too, it's cool because
it sounds like you guys will just keep making fucking songs.
So like if if you've got a label, that's like,
all right, give us these songs and we're gonna put
it out.
Speaker 5: Like like, here's the thing that's great is that I've
you know, dude, the business model is so different now
of way things are released. Yeah, and I mean, you know,
obviously we come from the school of having the record
and the ten songs, eleven songs or whatever. But I mean, unfortunately, nowadays,
because of downloads and stuff, it's like, you know, you
get a record and like in a week it's old,
and then there's ten songs and probably only three are
focused on and then the rest of just throwaway. And
I'm you know, I'll be honest, I've seen that in
a certain thing where I was told, don't worry about
this amount of songs in the record. Just do what
you need to do so we can finish them to
meet the date. But you know, focus on these because
it will be the singles type of things. Okay, I
don't feel very good about it, but at that time,
I was just doing my job right, And that's that's
cheap to the to the fan as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2: You know, so because you're still looking at record as
like the whole package. You're still looking at it as
the whole package, Like I want this art in my hand,
I want to read this stuff as i'm as I
want to read the lyrics as I'm looking at as
I'm listening to the song. I'm going to listen to
the whole record all the way through. The problem is
is that we still we were dinosaurs, not right, But
I think a lot of the people that still listen
to metal are like that though, you know what I mean.
It's more than other genres, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And when the thing is is like even you know,
I remember this told to me so long ago, and
then now we stuck with me?
Speaker 4: Was that the order of the songs? Matter?
Speaker 2: Of course, you gotta build up. That's part of the story,
that's part of the record.
Speaker 5: The way that Master of Puppets was track listed, do
you think that was just random?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: Building all that shit was done the way.
Speaker 5: I mean, could you have appreciated Operation Mind Crime? If
they were randomly just put singles out, the story would
have never mattered.
Speaker 4: That's the difference, right.
Speaker 5: But in today's thing, and also for my own purpose,
we came up with the idea of finishing a song,
releasing it and not trying to do the whole thing
at once. So so that's what we're doing. One song
every couple of months. That's how it is, and then
at the end of.
Speaker 4: The year it's a package.
Speaker 5: And then if you want it, you get it. If not,
you can listen to any individual songs you want. Now,
will we always do that?
Speaker 4: Who knows? I don't think so.
Speaker 5: You know, like the solo thing, that's gonna be all done,
that's gonna be all one, you know. But for this,
for the for the you know, for the sheer reason
of getting it moving again and getting it out there
instead of dumping you with ten songs and trying to
consume this. Here's one and then let us sit and
then here's another. Now there's been gosh, what was it?
Soil work? They had did that on a on A
like their an album they did a couple of years ago,
and they didn't even release it physical, and I think
they ended up doing like a special edition just on tour,
but they only released the digital. When they were releasing
they released every song until the date. Then it was
all one. And I was like, well, you know, that's
kind of cool because it kind of it gives you
something to look forward to and it keeps it new, right, So,
and with the short attention spans of today, that's that's
kind of necessary.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Now, is there a method to the order
that you're releasing this? Like, do you got are you
building building up a story with these songs, like you
know what I mean. Like it, it sounds like you
kind of have a little plan there. You got a
theme something you're building.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it definitely has It definitely is building up a story.
Speaker 4: And you know, I have a I love it because
I keep it like this.
Speaker 5: It's a basic layout, but as it goes along, because
we do a lot of stuff spontaneously, you know, we'll
lay things out and then what you get at the
end never is what we started with, you know. I mean,
it's basic there, but it's a variation. Like for instance,
with this new song coming out, there's this crazy keyboard
like thing going on and I that wasn't in the
song until I finished the vocals, and then I I
by accident, came up with this whole thing, and I
rearranged the song and I had to record some of
the vocals over again to make the song make it
all said, But I love stuff like that. That's exciting
when you get that excitement of that spontaneity you hear it,
you know, instead of everything's planned out and it's going
to be like this, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I kind of like I think that's part.
Speaker 5: Of the art.
Speaker 3: Of it.
Speaker 5: I always really like like leaving, leaving some of that
that openness and that creative.
Speaker 4: Flow, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I find that exciting.
Speaker 2: And I feel like with the way you're doing it,
when you're releasing the song a month, that gives you
more time to do stuff like that because you deliver
an album. Yeah, you get you're focusing on that song
for that month, not not work on trying to get
twelve songs out together.
Speaker 5: You don't exactly exactly, yeah, And that's the part I
like about it is because you know, even though I
still have to make sure that I kick myself and
he asked to get it done because you're.
Speaker 4: Like, oh, well I have time. No, you don't, you know,
because then when you.
Speaker 5: Say that, you're already at the end going fuck, I
gotta get it done by tomorrow. But uh yeah, So
that that that's why I wanted to do it like this,
because I I want to dig into each song as
its own entity, you know, its own its own existence.
For me, that is, if it's mine, that's what I
want to do, you know what I mean. If I'm
working for somebody else, obviously that's another story. But if
it's mine and it's that personal, it's an expression of myself.
Then that's how I want to do it, you know
what I mean, And hopefully people you know will like it.
Speaker 4: I'm not writing for anybody else. That's one thing I
made sure is I write for myself.
Speaker 5: And you know that philosophy comes from the people that
I look up to, you know, like George Lucas. I
always I always loved it that he was like, yeah,
you know, I did what I wanted to do and
if it resonated then great, and if it didn't, so
be it, you know, And and I admire people like
that because that's how innovation happens. You have to take chances. Now,
am I saying is going to be innovative? No, I'm
not saying that. But what I'm saying is that I
know that I was true to myself to that and
for me personally, that matters. And you know it's and
you know, obviously you can only do that kind of
thing to a certain degree on other projects, but it's
other people involved, right, So you know, when you have
that chance, I feel, you know, this is what it is,
and and it's cool because you know, thank the Gods
that you know, John is such a he's he's been patient,
you know, he's been very and you know, and uh
but he gets it and you know, he's like, it's
done when it's done, man, And I'm like, you know
what I'm like, and I I'm always thankful that he was.
It was like that, you know. Now finally I'm like,
all right, baby, you know, I got us a new deal.
We're doing this and let's go.
Speaker 2: You know. Is that on Cleopatra as well? Yeah's cool.
They do Cleopatra, I know they do. They did some
of the dancing stuff, right.
Speaker 4: Dude, they did.
Speaker 5: I didn't. That's the funny part is when I I
didn't really fully understand what Cleopatra was until I started
to work doing stuff for them and realizing, like, you know,
that's where ministry started. They did tons of stuff with Motorhead.
You know, they had a number one album with freaking
William Shatner his record number one that was them, you know,
and like like, for instance, think was it. They just
released the Dangerous Toys. Their demos it's charted. It's like
they are very you know, and they got wrap, they
got pumped, they got new wave, they got all kinds
of stuff. And I love it. The people are great,
they're open minded and they're willing to take chances, and
who does that these days? You know, I'm like, I'm
so grateful that it kind of it kind of like
just it happened upon me.
Speaker 4: I didn't go seek it.
Speaker 5: It just happened. And you know, so far, so good.
Everywhere work every it works great. It was working really good,
and hopefully it continues because I just I love being
able to just do what I do.
Speaker 2: You know, Oh no, sorry to me to come no.
So so so as you're writing your record and the
let us pray that you're not really taking on working
with other people as far as writing wise, and uh,
do you got anything coming up touring wise? Is there
any more ross stuff coming up?
Speaker 5: Or yeah?
Speaker 4: We got right now?
Speaker 5: All we have is some festival stuff in the spring
that haven't hasn't been announced yet, and we got a
lot of you know, again, the whole thing with torn
and if anybody is in it, they'll know it's all
about budgets. Now that's the reality. And unfortunately the you know,
especially overseas, it's the you spend all your money getting
there and at the end of the day, you're you know,
if you're not careful, you mean, you're playing for nothing.
And you know, I mean, I guess it depends on
the on who it is or whatever.
Speaker 4: But you know, at this point, why are you playing
for nothing?
Speaker 5: You know what I mean? You know, and but you know,
obviously it depends on.
Speaker 4: What it is or whatever.
Speaker 5: I mean, but it's it's really fans don't understand fully,
you know, they don't they don't realize that that you know,
to get four people from the States from all over
the place over to Europe, it's you know, it's thousands
of dollars. Yeah, you know, and if you're not like
you know, you have to remember these festivals got a
hundred bands on it, then you.
Speaker 2: Know they're not paying you as like a headliner if
it was your own tour, if it was your own tour, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, I mean, you know, you you're you only
get what what what the market is going to value
your worth? That's really what it comes down to. And
that's just that's with anything. What the name of the
game is what is your value?
Speaker 4: So like for instance, like you talk about like you know,
what's my value? Like that's why I do so many
different things.
Speaker 5: I can you know, I could sing, I can write,
I can design, I can do this. So I have
a little bit more value because of all these things
that I can do.
Speaker 2: Where you bring a lot to a project, yeah.
Speaker 5: Exactly, where some people just they have to be hand
fed everything in age your show up.
Speaker 2: There's some people that are vocalists that don't even write.
That's like, all right, give me the vocal give me
the lyrics, and I will sing them, you know, and
they might be the best singer. But you know what
I mean, well, you know.
Speaker 5: That again, that was that was part of the part
of the thing with the Whole Metal Church that drove
me insane was I wrote that whole record, the last record.
I was the first singer in the history of the
band except for way back when with David Wayne that
wrote you know, all the melodies and all the all
the all the lyrics and all the vocals.
Speaker 4: I did everything myself, and.
Speaker 5: I got shoot for it, you know what I mean.
And but at the time I was like, all right, well,
you know, this is my opportunity, and you know, I
went full board, you know to That's why I said,
you know, to kind of get totally disregarded and disrespected
in that way after doing that amount of work that.
Speaker 4: Was you know, that was tough. But yeah, I don't.
I I don't let any I really don't. I don't want.
Speaker 5: I don't let anybody do my stuff. I can't. I
just don't. I mean, unless I'm hired to do it,
that's a different story. But if I if I'm involved
in something, I just I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just it's just what I do.
Speaker 5: And put it twitter this way. With the amount of
things that I've done, I feel that I've I've earned
the credibility to be able to do it, you know
what I mean. And and that's it. I mean, you
know again, I'm at that point of the game. I
just that's just it.
Speaker 4: I know, I know what I want to do, I
want how I want to do it, you know.
Speaker 5: And you know, and again you know, obviously, if I'm
working with different people and they don't like it, then
I have to rewrite it or I'm always open to say, hey,
well what's your idea. That's always a thing, right, nothing's better,
And I mean that goes around the whole spectrum of
the world, you know, But.
Speaker 4: Then what's your suggestion? Well, I don't know, then what
the fuck you're talking about.
Speaker 2: If you've got a criticism, have a have a solution.
Speaker 5: Yes, right, exactly exactly, So you know, I mean, I'm
not I'm not I am not opposed to anybody's ideas.
You know, I'm not that guy. I don't want to
hear what you have to say. That's not what I'm saying.
I'm just saying that I like to do my own thing.
And you know, here's what I got. And if you're like,
oh my god, that's terrible, then all right, well then
I have to rewrite it, and I don't do that's happened,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And at some point right like it's like, you know,
it's if it's constructive and it's for the good of
the project and it adds to the project, well fu
yeah right cool, Like shit, I didn't see it like that.
That is better cool, Like you know what I mean.
It was like, no, yeah, and.
Speaker 5: Dude, the thing is is that has happened, and that's fine.
I'm not opposed to that, dude. Yeah, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 4: I'm totally hey, and and I'll be honest, if.
Speaker 5: Somebody presented me with something and it was like way
cooler than what I was. That's cool, or maybe some
of it and some of this, yeah whatever, as long
as it works for the greater good of what we're
trying to do, that's all I'm saying. But I always
end up, you know, instead of freaking trying to pull teeth,
it's just like, well, I'll just do it myself. Yeah,
So you know that's how I end up doing so
much of it, and just do it myself. So and
I may we don't have to depend on anybody else.
Speaker 2: Ye that these days, no, exactly. So. So the I
think the burning question from fans of Ross to Boss
and man War, and this ties into probably why I
see you at the gym every day is when is
uh when you're back home? When are the loincloths and
swords and in fur and fucking when's all that coming back?
Because I think that's gonna up the ticket, that's gonna
up the value, that's gonna it's gonna boast you up
in the festivals.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I might be the only one that
might meet Sean, might be able to be the only
ones to get away with that. You know, Sean already
plays with no shirt, so he's already.
Speaker 2: Half he's halfway there.
Speaker 5: You know. I got to know, sleeves, that's all you're
getting out of there.
Speaker 2: You're gonna do it at least once, just for for
the for the well.
Speaker 4: It's funny.
Speaker 5: There was one of the tours that we did. I
think it was like this was back in like twenty nineteen,
and I remember we were playing a Halloween show in
Germany and I was like, dude, this is it. I'm
we gotta come out. We got to do it, and
I was all about it. I was like, I was
gonna get the way we were all trying to find, like,
you know.
Speaker 4: Fake fur. You's gonna do the loin cloth the whole ninety.
Speaker 5: Hours and literally at the last minute, they're like, you know,
man always kind of sacred here. People might not get
the joke, and remember here's offul lot of people. And
I went, you might be right, because the thing is
is I'm making good We would make good fun of it,
you know what I mean, because we're always busting It
was homage. I mean, dude, it's like we're not we're
not like we're not distant. We're having fun with it,
you know what I mean. So it wasn't disrespectful in
any manner, you know. But but you know, some people,
like in anything today, can take things in the wrong way.
So you know how they can take things out of context,
and so like maybe somebody will out of this whole interview.
They love to do that. Take a bit a piece,
you know, like the news. Yeah, take one piece and
make a big thing out of it until they figure
out that that's not what you that's not actually what
was said.
Speaker 2: Well, that is the problem with media nowadays is that
someone will take a sound bite with no removed from
the context. And that's whether it's in this little world
of music or like the big world of international politics
and governance. They take a little sound bite that could
make it sound like and then put their own spin
on it, and not enough people really get into the well,
listen to the two minutes before and after to get
the whole context, and they'll just react, react to the
SoundBite and however it's presented by whatever propagandist is putting
it forth right, and that's the world right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that happened to me. I was we were doing
I was doing Australian Press for a tour and you know,
they started talking about us politics. Yeah, not something that
you know, you're like, something you want to get into
unless you want to talk about it intellectually, right, and uh,
you know whatever, whatever it was at the time, we're
talking about it. And the next day blabermouth basically I
was a fascist.
Speaker 4: I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 5: And I like, literally that was the first time I
was ended up like in the media like that, and
I was I was literally fucking pissed, you know, until
I realized I was like, well, guess what any press
is good press whatever.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm like whatever, you say, what you want,
I don't care.
Speaker 4: You know, you can't. You're not going to fight the internet.
Speaker 5: Just like all the shit that's been happening over the
last like four months or whatever, all the ship talking
and stuff. It's like, you know, trust me, and you
know how many times would I just want to be like,
just want to unleash hell. But you're like, man, what's
the point? What's the point? You know what I mean,
what is the point? And and that really is what
it comes down to it, So what's the point? I mean,
it doesn't look at the end of the.
Speaker 4: Day, no one fucking cares anyway.
Speaker 5: So it's just really what it comes down to, you know, Yeah,
I just take it now, I just take it with
a you know, I don't look for I never re reviews,
I never read anything.
Speaker 4: Usually people and I don't know why they do this.
Why do you tag me on something like this?
Speaker 5: You know, why what would you do that? I don't
want to fucking know. Yeah, I don't care about that
stuff because if you do, then you're already lost the battle.
Speaker 2: Well, half the thing is is you know, someone misquotes
you or mistakes your thing, puts it out there. Now,
the quote of public opinion is already there. There's nothing
you're going to say that's going to convince them otherwise.
So why even why even spoke the flames of that fire?
Just let it fizzle out, because in this the good
thing in this world of short attention spans is that
they'll be onto something else in two days. Just let
it run its course and go away.
Speaker 5: And that is the philosophy, honestly, And that's probably what's
kept me sane, is that philosophy, Because I was like,
you know, it was like something gets announced and like
two days later something comes out boom. Attention totally changes
directions and you're like, oh, well that took care of that. Yeah,
you know, thank you, you know, and you know, because
unfortunately that's just the way it is, you know. And
I kind of came to the conclusion, like there were
certain things that were going on with certain people, and
I was just like, I go, it's amazing how everybody
forgot about this certain incident that this person did. And
then suddenly no one's even they.
Speaker 4: Forgot all about it already.
Speaker 5: For as shitty as it was, they forgot about it already,
and they're being praised now. It's like they God, we
see it every day, you know, we see it every day.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: You know this guy killed his mother, Well, oh my god,
six months from later, he's the you know, they made
him out to be like the greatest person in the world.
They forgot that he kills his mother six months ago.
I'm using this as an example.
Speaker 2: People, you know.
Speaker 4: So, I mean, it's just it is. It is pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: Gotta I think about these things and try to use
them to your advantage, I guess, you.
Speaker 2: Know, if you have to, or just use them to
your sanity. Meaning when some when when things are blown
up like that, like don't get don't get wild, because
you're gonna make it worse.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean, because you know, obviously I could.
Speaker 5: I could tell you the amount of fucking posts that
I freaking have never.
Speaker 2: Someone's or the or the text where someone just keeps
seeing the three dots and then it goes away and
then the three dots and then it goes away.
Speaker 5: And it's like you're just going off and it's like
you take that whole ten second role, you know, the
whole try to before you react ten seconds, and then
you go back and you're like, maybe I shouldn't I
probably we shouldn't send that. Let's save myself much grief.
Speaker 2: Let's reframe this. Yeah, yeah, no, And I think the
world would better be a better place if everyone did that. Unfortunately,
ninety eight percent of the people don't, you know, and
they just fire right off.
Speaker 5: But I think the world would be a much better
place if these things were You take these things face
to face and you watch how different, how different that works.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, there's so much where people te off
and then you talk to a prison they're like, hey man,
what's up, and it's like, you.
Speaker 5: Know, yeah, my favorite thing is like I'm the worst
because I never forget. No, I'm and I see everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I try not to be a grudge holder,
but it's it happens, you know what I mean. And
it's like, even if I'm not actively holding a grudge,
I file I call it under duly noted, Like all right,
duly noted.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 2: I'll see you. I'll see you, but I'll see you.
And then it's like like I laugh.
Speaker 5: I go, like, you know, getting ready to do some
promotion stuff and some of the people on the promotion list,
I'm like, okay, and that normally probably I was like,
I'm not gonna do that, but I'm gonna be like no,
you know, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna call my auntie interview see how that works out.
Speaker 2: Warning, But you know what, guess what, man, that's what
people need, you know what I mean. Like and accountability,
true to yourself. If you're true to yourself and you're
you're representing yourself right and and you're holding people accountable
for what they say and don't let them slink and
more them out of it, and it'll keep people more honest, right,
I mean.
Speaker 5: Dude, Honestly, my biggest problem with everything is accountability. I'm
so sick of people doing ship and not being held
accountable for and that is just becomes such a fucking
sore spot for me because that's you know, where we
come from. That that that that never flew, you know
what I mean. And I like, I'm sick, look in
a simple terms of sick of the bad guys winning,
so to say. And I'm like, if there's any way
that I could hold somebody accountable for something, that I'm
gonna do it, you know. And I just I'm sick
of it, you know, especially especially in this business, because
there's a lot of scumbags, man, And there's a lot
of scumbags and places that I was shocked to know
and with people that I would never a million years thought,
and I sit there, go, wow, I can't believe that.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: And it's like that, you know, and it's like now
when you see these people, you definitely have looked at
him in a.
Speaker 4: Whole different light, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Whereas used to be like, Hey, what's going on, Now
it's gonna be like, yeah, what's up?
Speaker 2: Man's gonna be yeah, yeah, what's up?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 4: I'm out?
Speaker 2: You know it sucks, I think too. Like you're probably
like me, and you know politics, you just expect everyone
to be a scumbag. But in our little worlds of
our subcultures, whether it's metal or hardcore or punk or
choppers or whatever, you kind of think people are going
to be a little bit cooler and a little bit
more on the same page about things. And then it's
a bum out. You know, it's a letdown when it's not,
because it's like, man, we're in the same world, dude,
you should be operating the same way.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean exactly, you know, and I
mean you know, and the thing is is that there's
nothing wrong. Look, look, reality is not everybody's gonna like everybody.
Not everybody's gonna get along. They're not gonna see the
same And I respect that. That's the key. You can
respect that. Like, you know, you gotta work with people,
and you know what, you can still be respectful. Yeah, okay, cool,
But when those people start to step out the line
and get disrespectful and they expect it back, dude, that
doesn't work like that. Yeah, you know what I mean,
it doesn't work like that. If you duly do not respect,
you're not getting it back. No, you know what I mean,
And that's just how it is. And if you can't
handle it, then you're gonna get smashed. You know.
Speaker 2: The problem is, right, is that in this world nowadays,
is everyone wants to preach things about like diversity and
acceptance and and whatever, which is cool because, like you said,
like if people have different opinions than me, cool, I'm
fine with that. I respect it. If they have a
logical framework for what they're thinking and they thought out
and we don't we don't agree. Cool, Like I don't.
I don't care like cool, you do you, I'll do me.
But most of the people that are kind of saying, hey,
we need more tolerance and diversity, I'm very intolerant. Well
the fuckers unless you are, you know, are in one
hundred percent agreement with them, you know what I mean.
It's like I don't understand, and it's like and it's
like you know, and that's in every level of society,
like you know what I mean, like every level of
the world. Now it's just like you know, like blah
blah blah. But and if you don't agree with them,
like all of a sudden, you're a fascist. When you're
like the most unfascist person in the fucking world. Do
you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Those roots will those words have no meaning anymore meaning
because they freaking use it. You you take a piss
in the wrong direction. You're a fascist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I always like this, Do you even know what the
word means?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: You know what it means?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's look at the dictionary. You know what
I mean?
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it's just for you know. And the
thing is is, like, it's funny. Like I said, I've
gone to so many different places, different religions, different cultures.
I got no problem with anybody. If you it's a
it's a it's a give and take thing. I have
no problem nothing, you know, I'm you can as long
as we're respecting each other and everything's cool. I don't
care what you could believe in the East money being,
you know, I don't care.
Speaker 4: I don't give a ship.
Speaker 5: I believe, you know, But.
Speaker 2: That's what dude, I believe.
Speaker 5: I live with one, you know.
Speaker 4: So it's it's yeah, it's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 5: And and I you know, I I avoid all that
stuff like the plague because I could, I could, you know,
like you. I get so heated about any of that because,
like you know, because you sit there pounding your head
going just doesn't even make any sense what you're saying whatsoever.
Speaker 4: Like the common sense of things.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm a big fan of common sense. You know,
I might not agree with you, but if it's you know, okay,
your your point of view makes sense in that aspect,
I'm cool. But when you when you try to come
at me with something that absolutely have no sense whatsoever,
I can't go there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'mna dismantle it really fast.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm like, yeah, or ignore it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been more interested. I'm not. You know, I
used to get like, man, everyone's gonna know about this
stuff and blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: Yeahs.
Speaker 2: I ain't trying to convert anybody like I'm not trying to.
I'm just especially now with that new redacted channel, I'm
putting stuff out that I think it's important. And if
you agree with it, cool, If you don't, cool, I
don't care. I'm not trying to get you to see
my way. I'm just trying to expose you too. Things
you know what I mean, and and.
Speaker 5: And it's you know, it's and the thing is so
interesting about that. That's why I love that concept.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I want to be on that shows show.
Speaker 2: That's today, but I haven't. I know, we talked about
I have an idea. I have an idea though, like
like I was telling you before, I even have a
I have a name for it. I'm gonna as soon
as we stop recording, I'm gonna I'm gonna run something
by you. And I think we can get it together
really fast, and I think it'll be I think it'll
be interesting and I think it could turn into its
own thing. But well, we'll talk about that.
Speaker 4: We'll discuss that for sure.
Speaker 5: But yeah, good, you know, because there's so many there's
so many, Like you know, it's.
Speaker 4: Especially with A I.
Speaker 5: What I don't what is dude?
Speaker 4: The whole concept of reality.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, we could go down the rabbit hole
with this, but like the whole idea of what's real
and what is it anymore? I do you know when
when you start to kind of like, I've been really
into philosophy for the last couple of years and I'm
really into like quantum quantum uh theories and all these things.
And when you started even.
Speaker 4: Learning about that you're like, oh my god, yeah, am
I waking up?
Speaker 5: Is this even real? I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm like you really you.
Speaker 5: Can really drive yourself crazy?
Speaker 2: Right? Oh no? And then and then you read that
Sern has already tapped into another dimension, and that dimension
was aware that we were tapped into that dimension, And
you're like, what are you saying here? This is this
is what you're saying. So what is it? What's going
on that you're not saying? Is the thing?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 5: Oh well, in the two thousand, we basically went into
a black hole, and now the timeline's broken?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, and then you put the tinfoil out and
that's why you remember Sinbad having a movie about about
a genie and and but it doesn't exist. Yeah, but
here's the exactly.
Speaker 5: That's a whole other thing.
Speaker 2: Well, you're talking about the timeline being messed up. That's
why I'm just I'm like.
Speaker 5: Dude, I fucking saw a movie. I'm like, dude, I
don't give a ship. I saw that and it was real,
and tell me that was.
Speaker 4: A mass illusion.
Speaker 5: No way. I'm like, why is it just that but
not this? Why is it just that one thing? What
made that thing? Here?
Speaker 2: We go, why is that so important? Why is that
so important? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like what the hell made that so important?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 5: That? And the Fruit of the Loom? Yeah, fucking symbol,
that's that one.
Speaker 2: I'm one hundred percent like, no, that existed. I remember
it for a hundred and I think people have dug
up the old tags. Yeah she's him when I can
go either way, But the Fruit of the Loom, I'm like, no,
I remember that for sure.
Speaker 5: You know. It's funny though, when they start to do that,
didn't they get you questioning yourself?
Speaker 2: I think that's probably the whole sigh behind it, right,
is to get you no idea.
Speaker 5: You're like, hey, well what do they say? All you
have to do is plant that seed of doubt in
it just.
Speaker 2: Grows, right, And that taps into what you just said
about AI, because now the AI that I just play
with like looks fucking real. Like, so imagine what they
have and how long you had every day and how
much it's how much it's actually been ingreened or like
how much of what you see is actually that and
I'm talking you know, mainstream news propaganda and whatever, you
know what I mean, or just in general, but like
it's gonna get a lot crazier because the stuff that
we're playing with as toys is like super powerful. Imagine
what well this is gonna look like in a year.
Speaker 5: Well put it to you this way with graphics and video.
I deal with AI every day. Yeah, And obviously that's
a huge debate in the art world. And I'll say
my piece in one sentence, it's AI is a tool
when it comes to that, As far as I'm concerned,
it ain't no different than when pro tools came out.
There's no different than when photoshop came out, paintbrush, photoshop.
The whole difference now people that are using it solely.
I mean, that's a whole other thing. That's a whole
other topic. But but back to what you're saying, Like
I was just I mentioned this probably every other week,
Like every time I go into my AI hub of
where all my tools are, there's new ship coming out,
and it's like it's so fast that it's I'm like,
I don't even know how to run this one, and
they've already got something that's ten times better that I get.
All I have to do is basically go, hey, make
a balloon. Whereas before you had to do this whole thing,
and that it's just like, hey, make a balloon that's red.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's flying across the mountain. Yeah, yes, yeah,
And there's a seagull and there's a yeah, and there's
a viking, and there's all the shit like.
Speaker 5: In every time, it's just it's getting crazier and crazier,
and like, you know what before it was the whole
deep fake that ain't fucking nothing. I could do more
than that right on my laptop. Yeah, it takes ten minutes,
and I'm like, what so so think about it, think
about the technology that they have.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. It's ten years beyond that. But
ten years is ten years is now quantum ten years
like because things are, things are like you know what
I mean, like things are escalating at such a fast
level that you know, you know, you don't what cre minutes.
The funniest use of AI to me right now is
people that are making old soul songs out of like
metal and hardcore songs and they're fucking great. You're like,
why does it sound so good? It sounds like it
was recorded on a motown, you know, motown put it
out in nineteen sixty eight, you know what I mean, Like,
why is it so good?
Speaker 5: Like erecaryous. Yeah. I remember about a year, like probably
like eight nine months ago, you know, pretty well known
producers sent me one and I literally this is before
we kind of caught on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was.
Speaker 5: Like, dude, who did this?
Speaker 4: And he goes, Dude, it's AI And I'm like, you're fucked.
Speaker 5: Yea, where fucked?
Speaker 4: I'm like, dude, he goes, you're not kidding.
Speaker 2: Well, you saw the thing right that there's so many
ai ai bands on Spotify now that are like getting traction,
like and then what's gonna happen is like those songs
are gonna get big enough where they're gonna make a band. Well, dude,
to be a cover band of that?
Speaker 5: Right? You know, dude in Japan?
Speaker 4: Is that a totally made up pop J pop artist?
Speaker 2: I heard? I heard that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And and and they could you could sell out
stadiums on a hologram or on a video board, and
they go, that's where we're at. That's where we're at,
you know, and it's like you like a lot of
people are going, well, you know, the live experience is
going to start coming back. Well, in theory, yeah, because
that would be the alternative. But here's the problem. All
these live things are owned by big Court. Now the
prices are too much. No, people aren't spending. You don't
have the disposable income to go to these shows anymore,
or they have to pick one out of the ten.
Speaker 4: Now everybody's on tour. Hey, when you're going on tour
in March, like forty.
Speaker 5: Other bands, yeah, you know, and then you got there's
all bands you want to see.
Speaker 2: And then and then and then the the merch prices
are through the roof because now all the venues want
a piece of it or they want to control the
pricing of it. And it's like bananas. Yeah, because because
they caught on, because that's the only way to make
money now is off the merch.
Speaker 4: It's not you know it, And that's the only way
the band's making any money. And they're just totally raping
them on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: And then then when the why bands can't tour, well
there you go, that's part of it too, you know.
So yeah, but the whole thing with AI is like yeah,
it's yeah, I mean literally, and here's the thing, here's
the thing that's even scarier that no one talks about
is that we know that one of the poise on
syopping is that if you're the first one to put
it out, that's what people will believe automatically, whether it's
real or not. And you could come back in like
ten hours and say, no, that's not true, but guess what,
that's already trickled down and the majority of people that
haven't gone back in ten hours believe that.
Speaker 4: So think if something really fucking pivotal.
Speaker 5: Is pushed out, that's not real, and but it's already
being reacted, Yeah, that's real danger.
Speaker 4: You know, that doesn't make believes shit, that's real people.
Speaker 5: You know, that's the scary part, you know, And when
you know you see what's going on with these freaking fanatics,
were going on about the nonsense that's going on, and
all you're gonna do is like to match with them,
and it's it's gonna it's it's already happening. You know.
Speaker 4: They don't even they don't even they don't even want
to know the truth.
Speaker 5: They just want to go up. I don't like this guy, bar,
you know what I mean? Like this bar automatically pounce, pounce,
pounce on it without any information, draw just crazy automatic. Yeah,
that's it.
Speaker 2: It's a sad world, man and up man, because you know,
people are getting exposed to propaganda all day. They're all reactionary,
and it's like no one's taking a step and taking
a breath and thinking and then and they just getting
wrapped up in it. And then it's like when people
finally catch their breath, it's a little bit. It's always
like too late to announce onto the next thing, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Well, perfect look, perfect example. Five years ago, you, I
and many people, you know, we we had things to
say about certain things that were going on, and you
were crazy. You couldn't talk about it. You're a conspiracy theorist,
you're a blasphem, you're nuts, you're a Nazi, you're this,
and you're that. And all of a sudden, everything that
you tried to tell someone was actually true. But guess what,
it came out five years later. They aren't even no one,
no one's even hearing it. They're not even hearing it.
Speaker 2: And that's why, and that's why when people were saying
people that don't get the SHU should be in camps
and should be kept out of society. Yeah, I'm never
forgetting that, you know what i mean, Like I'm like,
you're the fascist, like you know what I mean, Like
because someone's not someone's not getting jibby jab like they're
they're you you want to label them less than human
and and then they should be in camps and they
should be outside of society. Like the funny thing is
that nobody that was that hardcore on that side of
things has like recanted and apologized and been like I
wasn't thinking, I'm sorry, They'll just they've either doubled down
or they've like are they like shrunk into this shell
like a fucking shitty little turtle, you know what I mean?
Like they oh.
Speaker 5: Well, you're they're not gonna remember me saying that. Like
what we're talking.
Speaker 2: About before, Janet is a record man, and it's like
you can go back and look at people's twitters or whatever,
it's all there and listen.
Speaker 5: Well, the thing is is that you know again, like
I mean, Jesus, look what happened over the weekend. You know,
you got all these people freaking out about this, and
all of a sudden, twelve months ago they were so
for what happened. But now they're not all of a
sudden just because of the person that did it. It's
a perfect example. It's like, oh well wait a second,
but the but no one's looking back at what they
said and what they really thought.
Speaker 4: They just go on according to what they just told you,
you know, two hours ago.
Speaker 5: It's fucking ridiculous, man, you know. And that's what I
talk about accountability. You know, if there was more accountability
for shit, no one will you pulling that stuff? Well,
you get away with it, You're gonna do it again.
It's no different than you know, when what's the society.
If you steal something, they cut your hand off, Well
you're not going to steal again. And the guy next
door to you's not gonna steal because you just saw
you lost a hand. But if you go and steal
and you get a stop on the wrist, don't worry
about it. Guess what the guy next door is gonna go,
fuck it.
Speaker 2: I can do it too, yep. And that's why it's.
Speaker 5: Really broken down to that simple.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, it is, And it's the problem is
is that that accountability is gone at like multiple levels
of our society. Because even if you look at like
the top level of like government, right that who is
supposed to be stellar, who's supposed to be examples for us?
But Congress, Senate, uh, you know, uh, you know, executive branch.
There's no accountability on anyone. It's just like, yeah, but
there's not been one arrest in the in any of
the Epstein ship or anything like where's When's It's funny.
Speaker 4: I kind of was hoping you would say this because
I have.
Speaker 5: I have a you know what, there's only one thing.
Speaker 4: About that that I'll say that I.
Speaker 5: I my the only thought that I could think of it. Well,
it's true. You know, obviously we know the corruption, which
is sad because we do know the corruption, but yet
they're all still there.
Speaker 4: That's a whole other story.
Speaker 5: But when you think about it, if people of that
level are doing the things that they're being supposedly accused of, right,
which are like unforgivable things, as far as as far
as I'm concerned, they should all be strung up by
their nuts in a public court. You know. That's why
I don't care the fuck You can quote me on that.
I don't give a shit.
Speaker 4: But the fact of the matter is that, you know,
you have to look at The.
Speaker 5: Other side too, is that if you have that many
bad eggs and you're trying to do the right thing,
so to say, I'm just using this as an example,
and you come in and you try to put this
high profile person away. You know, if you don't have
one thousand percent backing and the proof to be able
to make it stick, then why would you even bother
because you're gonna look like a fucking idiot at the end, Right.
Speaker 2: Is the least three worries because you're gonna you're gonna
accidentally be unlived? Is more like it?
Speaker 5: You know, Well that's what I'm talking about. So you
think about it, you know, and you're gonna remember it's
different when there's a person that has nobody like why
why is it that all the special ops and all
these deep covered people they got no family, they got
no attachments. Why because the ship that they do, they
have nothing to be held on to them to make
them talk about anything. Of course, you know, this ain't
movie ship. This is real right now. If you are
if you're in a position where you have a family
and you got this and someone says, hey, I'm gonna
do this, you're gonna be like, fuck you know, I'm
you know, I'm just gonna shut the fuck up and
go just do what I gotta do to make sure
how many people in those positions are there? Right?
Speaker 2: What I just said, come on, we know that, well
then we probably you know.
Speaker 6: You know, and and and it and and I think
the I think the other thing that always, the other
thing that's fascinating to me is that you know, you
got this many people that rule this many people.
Speaker 5: Imagine if this many people could get along and understand. Hence,
why if we deal with what we do with how
fast can we get rid of this many people? Look
what they did in the pall. They got mad because
they took this socirom, their work away, both the place out.
Speaker 2: The problem here is that they keep us so distracted
and divided on false wedge issues that no one seeing
the no one's looking at the bigger picture or using
common sense. They're just like, if you're not with me,
you're against me. And it's like, no, we're probably more
on in lie in league with each other than you
will then, you know, because you don't give it a chance,
because you automatically dismiss someone because they didn't vote for
who you voted for. And it's like, at the end
of the day, you know, in a.
Speaker 5: Thing that sucks, and this is the truth because we
would go for it and brought this.
Speaker 4: Actually it's like, remember we were like, dude, we.
Speaker 5: Should just run for office and and and crazily, you
know what because what you know, a lot of people
don't understand that, you know, real decisions happen at a
city council level. A lot of people don't know that.
And it's fascinating. And these city councils get voted in
with like, you know, five hundred people. Could you imagine, right,
could you imagine like, you know, somebody would like with
like a network of people, and we.
Speaker 4: Run for city council of New Bedfords and we won.
Speaker 5: Holy ship, imagine that we come in and dude, do
you realize you know for a fact that probably we
beget knocks on our door and going, oh, well, you know,
it's all fun and games and ship. But guess what, right,
how many how many people had that probably happened to
And if you're a you know, low level fucking council member,
you're not going to say ship because you got you know,
your family. You know, those are real family people. These
nobody of any any stature or anything like that, and
so you could see it's easy to see where you know,
a lot of people will go in with good intention.
How many politicians went in with good intention and all
of a sudden they've turned on everything and they're all
millionaires now yeah, whoa, they went in with no money
and now they're millionaires and they've turned their back on
everything that they said five years ago. It's like, wow, dude,
that's like not obvious.
Speaker 2: And that's where accountability comes in and not once people
will still keep voting for because it because it's like,
oh they got a D after R or R after
the whole Oh yeah that's yeah, yeah, that's the whole
other thing.
Speaker 5: You know. I mean it's a problem. It's like you
could say one thing and then you're like, whoa, what if?
And the thing is is a lot of these one
if you know, ten years ago, would have been like
you're fucking insane, that's not even that you wouldn't even
think of that. But now you question everything because you
have to. You have to, you know, because like nine
times out of ten, the crazy ideas are the ones
that are real.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I know, I know That's why a lot
of times it's like I'll, uh, you know, that's why
I like doing the show, right, because I can just
I can regress and just do some like music stuff
or some you know, motorcycle stuff, and then I'll get
into some real stuff, or then I'll just get into
some weird stuff because if I mean, I can't understand
people that just do political or like conspiracy stuff, because
like that would drive you crazy just dealing with that
all day, every day, and it's so infuriate, infuriating. I
can't imagine doing that. So I like, I like to
come back and just do some weird stuff or some
fun stuff, like because you gotta stay grounded and because
you're still gonna get through life, man, and you gotta can't.
You can't go to pissed off and miserable. And you know,
a yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right. You like at
we gotta we gotta unveil the we gotta unveil the
mock pizza when you when you come work. Yeah, we're
gonna do it.
Speaker 5: I have it all designed so everyone loves those too.
Speaker 2: Whenever we do a new one. Whenever we do a
new one, like the all centers one or whatever, like
they do good. People love it, you know what I mean.
They want to try new things. So we'll we'll work
on that and give you.
Speaker 5: Your own tipopzza.
Speaker 2: Just make sure it's stuff I can get from my distributors,
you know, some weird some weird stuff like. But but yeah, man,
so you know you got a lot going on, and
I appreciate taking the time to talk today. Yeah. Man,
so i'd be remiss without asking. I know you kind
of touched on this, but you know, the state of
you know, people are gonna ask the state of metal
Church where it stands. Is there is there any movement
or is it still like a stagnant thing or do
you see any.
Speaker 5: Dude, that's that's all. They announced a whole new lineup album.
Oh yeah, that's that's all done. They totally they totally
bamboozled us. And yeah, it's pretty pretty disgusting what happened.
You know, it's kind of funny. I read with somebody,
you know, obviously somebody always makes the tagging on something,
and I saw one one comment that made me fucking laugh.
They're like, oh, he knew, and he's just playing victim.
I'm like listen, motherfucker. You weren't even you have no
fucking idea because you're not in it. You're not involved
in it. And can tell you right now, right right here,
not playing victim, fucking victim of what you know, I
go that fucking that whole that whole thing was a
ship show from day one, if you want to know
the truth, you know what I mean. But you know,
did not have conversations and get totally slighted like that,
especially in public, and then them and then singing that
we quit.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Nobody fucking quit. Nobody was fired.
Speaker 5: You just threw it under the table, like but we
were talking about no one's gonna notice, and you know what,
And honestly, that's the only thing that bothered me. You know,
you think that you're working with people that are supposed
to be you know, comrades. You know, you're with them
on tour day to day, and and all of a
sudden and then they just totally blow you off in disregard, like,
you know, not even having a conversation to even say, hey, look,
you know what, you know, we're gonna go in another
direction or we don't agree with this or.
Speaker 4: What that was you know, but not to have that,
you know, and I mean, let's just put it this way.
It was business.
Speaker 5: Business, that's all I'm gonna say. It was business that
the whole thing started to crumble. And you know it
didn't have to end like that, but you know what, hey,
whatever the thing is this, Like I said, the fans
are gonna go, They're gonna go, it's gonna be They're happy.
Speaker 4: That's cool.
Speaker 5: Great.
Speaker 4: I'm grateful for what I While I was there, everybody
was awesome.
Speaker 5: I thank them, and the support was awesome, and you know,
I did what I had to do, want and done.
You know, the album did great, got great reviews, the
tours were awesome. I have no regret in any of that.
You know.
Speaker 4: How did I wish it would have went down different? Absolutely,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: But the moral of that story is communication is very
important and everything, you know what I mean a lot
of those things could have been avoided just by having
a simple conversation.
Speaker 4: But when certain parties don't want to even deal with
it and they just want to take their ball and
go home.
Speaker 5: So there it is.
Speaker 2: You know, what, what can you do?
Speaker 5: You know? And that's the honest truth. I mean, that's
as far as I'll get into it right now. But
you know, that's that's where it's at, you know, so
you know, going go enjoy the new record, Go go
do what, do what you want, you know, but I'm
not there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well no, but it's good to be able to,
like at least, you know, kind of get your side out,
you know what I mean, because people are probably curious
about everything.
Speaker 4: And you know, yeah, I'm being nice.
Speaker 2: It's cool, that's good. It's always better to take the
high road, right, you know what I mean. You got,
you got enough going on, you know what I mean,
You gotta onward enough, right, you got You're doing good
and you're still being creative.
Speaker 5: I just hope we're never on the same show with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's new Bedford style. New Bedford style. Can
take the kid out of the out of the city,
can't take the city out of the kid.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 2: But uh but yeah, man, where can people find you?
What's going on? Man? And where can people find out what?
Speaker 3: You?
Speaker 5: Instagram?
Speaker 4: That's my place. I like Instagram because I freaking love
my dog videos.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my French dog videos all day, my friend's bulldog
and pizza and food.
Speaker 4: I'm good, dude, I'm cool. Man.
Speaker 5: That's that's what I like.
Speaker 2: I'll put it, I'll put I'll put the I'll put
it in the link in the in the show notes
so that people can find you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean it gets sped to everything else anyways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know it's always got Yeah, that's the
landing page. Then you can figure it out. But yeah, man,
if you need any if you if you're if you're
a good band and you need some artwork or a video,
hit him up. If you need a shit built, hit
him up. If you need some vocals, hit him up.
He's a he's a man of many hats and a
and a and a master of them all. So it's good,
thank you. But yeah, man, it was good talking today.
I'm gonna shut this off, but I'm not hanging up,
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