Speaker 1: We got some water or nothing out here. I can't
Speaker 1: go now. Donor light came on and I did that
Speaker 1: when they went and they thing running across the yard.
Speaker 1: Not a good sight man or something I would fight
Speaker 1: to man. I don't know what if across the yard.
Speaker 2: It seems to be a big foot leaning against a
Speaker 2: tree in a wooden area.
Speaker 3: I have seen plenty of people with big feet, but
Speaker 3: not big.
Speaker 1: Foot tree mines and rush. He sees about seven and
Speaker 1: seven and a half foot tall sasquatch looking back at him.
Speaker 2: And that kind of looks like a wolf, but not
Speaker 2: like a neighborhood dog.
Speaker 1: Pick these stores for what they are and hopes that
Speaker 1: maybe if it's out there, then't show me. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: says he might have caught the mythical Cuba cabra creature
Speaker 1: terrorizing his chickens. It's like a grunt.
Speaker 4: And a knock. It's like a o.
Speaker 2: I think there's kind of a cultural tendency for people to.
Speaker 1: Want to make big Foot a quote unquote monster. Welcome
Speaker 1: to see v R O Bigfoot Radio. Hey everybody, welcome
Speaker 1: to the CVR big For Radio. I'm your host, Daniel
Speaker 1: bin Waugh. I'm glad that you could join us again.
Speaker 1: And tonight we have an awesome guest with us. Joining
Speaker 1: us tonight is mister Ryan Tremblay. We're going to get
Speaker 1: right into this very soon, ladies and gentlemen. Something new
Speaker 1: I want to start doing here. There's two offers I
Speaker 1: want to present to you right off the back. We'll
Speaker 1: be doing this, uh with a couple of you know,
Speaker 1: other different offers periodically on other episodes. Two offers I
Speaker 1: have right off the top of my head that I
Speaker 1: want to promote your latest books right now. Both of these, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: you will be able to find and meet them at
Speaker 1: the ecb r O Annual Virginia Bigfoot Conference in June.
Speaker 1: The first individual I want to talk about real briefly,
Speaker 1: it is author Mike Dupler. His latest book is called
Speaker 1: Bigfoot Origins Search for the Cryptid Homeland. Uh. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: he has authored several books along the way. This is
Speaker 1: his latest book right here. I've only touched a small
Speaker 1: part of it, so I'm not going to get into
Speaker 1: explaining really what it dives into. Uh. Basically, the title
Speaker 1: of Salverthan Speaks for Herself, which he actually presents a
Speaker 1: different sign and a different view based off of some
Speaker 1: of the theories that new flood the whole Bigfoot encryptied world. Uh.
Speaker 1: But this is one of his latest books. Again, uh,
Speaker 1: if you want to meet him and check out his book,
Speaker 1: and you'll be able to get to sign autograph copy
Speaker 1: come June, so feel free to check that out. Another
Speaker 1: book by one of our guest speakers this year, Maxim Curic,
Speaker 1: Mister Maxim Curic. His latest book is called The Lost
Speaker 1: Tribes of Bigfoot. So and the other thing is if
Speaker 1: you don't want to buy, you know, if you want,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're not patient enough to wait till
Speaker 1: the conference, you can buy these books online. Amazon has
Speaker 1: these books Bigfoot Origin, Search for the Cryptic Homelands by
Speaker 1: Mike Dupler and Lost Tribes of Bigfoot by Maxim Fure.
Speaker 1: You can find these vote on Amazon. Also. Again, if
Speaker 1: you want to meet these individuals, they will be at
Speaker 1: the Angle Virginia Bigfoot Conference in June, right here in Virginia.
Speaker 1: So more information about that, you can go to VA
Speaker 1: bigfootcon dot com. It's happening June twentieth and June twenty first,
Speaker 1: so be there, b square ladies and gentlemen. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: First of all, I want to welcome Ryan Tremblake to
Speaker 1: the show tonight. He's our guests, and also we have
Speaker 1: mister David Lester and Melissa Lester joining us, and we're
Speaker 1: glad to have them again. We're gonna have a great discussion.
Speaker 1: I think we're going to learn a lot about Ryan
Speaker 1: and his experiences, and then we'll kind of get into
Speaker 1: a few things here and there in between. Ryan, how
Speaker 1: are you doing? Man? Doing extremely well?
Speaker 2: Man, I'm winding down finally. I just finished off my
Speaker 2: Windy Go book that I've been writing for the past
Speaker 2: year and a half. So oh yeah, that was a
Speaker 2: nice load off my shoulders. But I'm getting ready to
Speaker 2: start my Yeaushi book, the book about the skin Walkers.
Speaker 2: So wow, big big shore. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So okay, so now forgive me. Maybe I should have
Speaker 1: known this. Have you written well? First of all, have
Speaker 1: you written other books before? No?
Speaker 2: These are actually my first books. So I wasn't going
Speaker 2: to write books. But everybody started telling me, oh, you
Speaker 2: know so much about the Wendy Go and the skin Walkers,
Speaker 2: why not put them in a book and spread that information.
Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, you know what, I think
Speaker 2: I will do that. So that's how it led to
Speaker 2: me write books.
Speaker 1: Awesome. So here we are here, I want just promoting
Speaker 1: a couple of the authors that I know. And here
Speaker 1: we got a new offer in the works right now
Speaker 1: working on his content. That's awesome. So you know, you
Speaker 1: got to be sure to make sure when they're completely
Speaker 1: done and published, you'll have to share the tent with
Speaker 1: me so I can promote it. I love promoting people absolutely.
Speaker 2: I have a short list of people that are getting
Speaker 2: autographed copies, so I'll add your name to that list.
Speaker 1: Very awesome. Uh yeah, mister, Oh my gosh, I haven't
Speaker 1: a brain fart. Remember his name. Uh, there's a gentleman.
Speaker 1: He believes that he lives up on the East coast,
Speaker 1: northern east coast. Kenneth. Uh, oh, man, I can't believe that. No,
Speaker 1: not that one, Kenny Kenny. Uh. He just put out
Speaker 1: a new book himself. Yeah. He featured so many the
Speaker 1: different Bigfoot researchers in this new book. And uh he
Speaker 1: is Uh he's actually sending me a copy because he
Speaker 1: did he did an article, or not an article, but
Speaker 1: a chapter on me. Uh coy. Yeah, I can't I
Speaker 1: can't believe. I should have wrote this down and I
Speaker 1: just it just popped up in my head. I hate
Speaker 1: when you can't remember names. But he's uh, he's been
Speaker 1: involved with us for quite some time. I was actually
Speaker 1: working on getting them to be a one of my
Speaker 1: speakers here in the near future.
Speaker 4: And uh is it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, no, no, it's kind of his Facebook name.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a long name.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's Kenny something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he really adds a long name to it. It's
Speaker 1: Kenny something.
Speaker 2: Oh cryptologists, Yes, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: Kenny the crypto. Yeah, Kenny the crypto punkologist. Yes he
Speaker 1: is awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he knows some stuff too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So his latest book and uh do you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry again forgive me for not remembering the name
Speaker 1: of it. But are you familiar with his new book?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: So, yeah, that new book familiar? Yes, I believe it
Speaker 1: had something to do with the Tales of the Chronicles
Speaker 1: or something to do with other researchers and those involved
Speaker 1: with all bickfoot and crypto research. And uh so yeah,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, who also did something very similar referring to
Speaker 1: other bigfooters and crypto researchers involved. Was I believe his
Speaker 1: name was Tim, Tim Halloman or Hallowan. Uh. He was
Speaker 1: actually a. Yeah, he did a book called the big Foot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Bigfoot Influencers or something something along those lines. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he did something very similar. So I think it's cool
Speaker 1: that these these authors are doing stuff that they want
Speaker 1: people to get more familiar with those that are involved
Speaker 1: with the research, you know.
Speaker 2: So I think that's a great idea because there's so
Speaker 2: many hard workers out there that just don't get enough credit.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm gonna tell you, like when Kenny
Speaker 1: got me involved and came at me about when he
Speaker 1: was still working on his book, I felt very honored, Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like I'm a small fish in
Speaker 1: a big pond. So it was kind of it was
Speaker 1: kind of exciting that he asked came to ask me
Speaker 1: about it. So I felt like, Okay, this is awesome,
Speaker 1: you know, uh, that he considered me as Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know how many others he got involved with.
Speaker 1: I don't know who all the others are, but just
Speaker 1: from the fact that he had asked me, dude, this
Speaker 1: is awesome. Yeah, of course I'll participate because I mean
Speaker 1: this is like my biggest thing is everybody I listen
Speaker 1: to David know, I repeat this all the time, but
Speaker 1: I believe it's spreading awareness and any little bit of
Speaker 1: information about me or my research. You know, if the
Speaker 1: work to get out there, that's great. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to convince anybody about my beliefs and my conclusions on
Speaker 1: subjects and topics, but you know, I want people to
Speaker 1: know where I stand, regardless if it's accurate or not.
Speaker 1: You know, but do you know if.
Speaker 4: Do you know if Dale's going to have any books? Yes,
Speaker 4: coming up, is going to have any there himself.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Dale Backer? Uh yeah, For those who are following,
Speaker 1: Dale Backer will be presenting Friday, June twentieth, his book
Speaker 1: Tails of a Bear Hunter. Now, he mentioned to me,
Speaker 1: and I don't know this for sure, well, he doesn't
Speaker 1: know for sure, but he sinks he may have a
Speaker 1: second book that will help that he will have out
Speaker 1: by then. But he does plan on having copies of
Speaker 1: his books because he originally when he came at me,
Speaker 1: he did mention that he will have his books. He
Speaker 1: wanted to booth to set up uh and to sell
Speaker 1: his books. So I said yes, absolutely, yeah, so he
Speaker 1: will have his books with him and again possibly a
Speaker 1: second book that he's working on. He hasn't put out
Speaker 1: publicly yet, but he's hoping to have it done and
Speaker 1: ready before that.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I always love having offered today. Oh no,
Speaker 1: he can't be. He won't be there Saturday. He said
Speaker 1: he's got to work, so, which I understand, you know,
Speaker 1: but and uh, because mean that's too bad, because that's
Speaker 1: a little closer to him. I mean he lives down
Speaker 1: in he's not too far from Brono, but he's he
Speaker 1: lives north of Rono. I have a generali here exactly
Speaker 1: where he lives. I forget the name of the area.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like I said, it would only be maybe
Speaker 1: maybe an hour ride for him. I'm guessing because I
Speaker 1: mean from where I live down to where we're going Saturday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's only going to take me an hour to get there.
Speaker 1: So I would leave here no later than ten o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it goes about an hour.
Speaker 1: Two. Oh okay, Well, yeah, you guys are probably close.
Speaker 1: I mean the highway is real close to you. I
Speaker 1: mean for me, I would have to ride either go
Speaker 1: out towards Wayer's Cave and jump on the highway that way,
Speaker 1: or go somewhere out towards Waynesboro. And jump on the
Speaker 1: highway that way. Yeah, because like I said, when I
Speaker 1: put in the max has showing about an hour drive
Speaker 1: for me. So yeah, so that's pretty cool. Yeah, talk
Speaker 1: about that. I know we're kind of switching gear if
Speaker 1: here real quick. But since you brought that up, I
Speaker 1: have no like I've had others ask me, you know,
Speaker 1: how many people you are expecting to show up here?
Speaker 1: Actually I had no idea, but I know I've been
Speaker 1: sharing it in all the local groups, the Facebook groups
Speaker 1: that that work, like like for example, there's a Lexington
Speaker 1: and one of visa Facebook group, uh you know Rockbridge
Speaker 1: County group, and so a lot of those groups are
Speaker 1: I mean, I've shared the flyer in there, and so
Speaker 1: a lot of the locals I've seen because I get
Speaker 1: people tagging other people in the post and everything, so
Speaker 1: we may have some extra show up. So I mean, I'm,
Speaker 1: you know, the more of a merrier because you know
Speaker 1: they I mean, I I just basically, well, you know,
Speaker 1: if we get enough people there, I mean I'll do
Speaker 1: with small talking, little presentation, kind of introduce myself and
Speaker 1: you know, I'm you know who and you guys, and
Speaker 1: just kind of let them know what we're doing there,
Speaker 1: and we hope that maybe we'll get some uh some stories.
Speaker 1: I mean I would love I mean I would hope
Speaker 1: or love to get some stories from some of the
Speaker 1: locals if they have any and are willing to share.
Speaker 1: So it would it would be something to make note
Speaker 1: and document, you know, and who knows, I'll make get
Speaker 1: some new radio podcasts, guess uh yeah, because I mean
Speaker 1: there's a couple of locals I got from up here.
Speaker 1: I'm still waiting. Like the one girl I spoke to
Speaker 1: at the bank, her fiance reached out to me, and
Speaker 1: you know, I finally got a second email from him
Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, I'll be more than glad to
Speaker 1: talk about it on a podcast because he mentioned to
Speaker 1: me that he has done that once before with somebody
Speaker 1: and I didn't know who the individual was. So and
Speaker 1: so now I'm waiting on to hear back from him
Speaker 1: again because I asked him, I said, okay, well, what
Speaker 1: would be a good day for you? Because I mean
Speaker 1: I told him, I said, I normally do him around
Speaker 1: eight pm, you know and whatever. So I'm waiting for
Speaker 1: him to get back. I don't know his schedule of
Speaker 1: what he does. Well, all I know is is fiance
Speaker 1: at the bank. I talked to her again not long ago.
Speaker 1: She said, yeah, he does classes. He takes classes, so
Speaker 1: the schedule might be kind of weird and funky. So
Speaker 1: I don't know. Apparently he doesn't come out, he doesn't
Speaker 1: look at his email too much.
Speaker 5: So, well, Ryan, where you locate to that.
Speaker 2: I'm in Sierra Visa, Arizona.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: If you have a podcast in the past, I can
Speaker 3: remember you've been a Jessica podcast.
Speaker 2: For yep, I sure have, and I've been on things
Speaker 2: like you know, Paranormal Portal, Paranormal Odyssey. I've done so
Speaker 2: many that I can't even remember all the themes of
Speaker 2: theody there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, so I can't keep a straight either. There's so
Speaker 3: many going on in the back and forth and whatnot. Yep,
Speaker 3: some of the stuff you've been involved with, which it's
Speaker 3: interested to hear more.
Speaker 6: So mm hmmm, absolutely, well, Ryan, Uh, I was wondering
Speaker 6: if you could give us a little bit of background
Speaker 6: about yourself, like how long have you been involved or
Speaker 6: and what got you involved into all this?
Speaker 2: Well, I've been involved in cryptozoology for twenty plus years now.
Speaker 2: I started when I was a really young kid. And
Speaker 2: what really pulled me into it is. I used to
Speaker 2: watch monster movies with my brothers and my dad. Universal Monsters,
Speaker 2: the Hammer films. Those were all a daily staple for
Speaker 2: our young Ryan's diet. Okay, so we were watching these on
Speaker 2: a daily basis, nightly basis, and then I started getting
Speaker 2: to things like god Sola. So you know, when you
Speaker 2: see monsters like Santa and Guyra the Gardange, was a
Speaker 2: young mind goes ooh, I wonder if these monsters are real. Well,
Speaker 2: my dad, said, Brian. When I was about seven years old,
Speaker 2: he showed me the Patterson Gimlay film. Okay, Now, I
Speaker 2: know there's a lot of debate about that film. People
Speaker 2: say it's real, some people say it's fake. But for me,
Speaker 2: that was like, oh my gosh, it's a Bigfoot and
Speaker 2: I was hooked. From that moment on. I was absolutely
Speaker 2: obsessed with Bigfoot. And since my dad he was a
Speaker 2: Cajun guy, so he started telling me tales about the
Speaker 2: Rugaroo and you know, vampires things like that. So right
Speaker 2: from a young age, I was just obsessed with monsters.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's interesting. Yeah, I think, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: I can speak for most of us. Yeah, you mentioned
Speaker 1: god Zilla among other things. It's like even the Wolfman
Speaker 1: movies and stuff like. I grew up with a lot
Speaker 1: of that stuff myself. I'm sure, David Wlisson, you guys,
Speaker 1: you guys are well familiar with a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's always been intriguing, uh, you know, of
Speaker 1: course what we grew up with from a young age
Speaker 1: versus of what they put out now. I don't know
Speaker 1: some of the stuff. I can question some of the
Speaker 1: stuff they put out now, oh I do do.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, when my dad used to tell
Speaker 2: me stories about the rue Guru, you know, I used
Speaker 2: to think at first that they were just camp fire tales,
Speaker 2: you know. So when I used to go out and
Speaker 2: play in the woods, my dad would tell me, hey,
Speaker 2: be careful that the wood boogers don't get you yet,
Speaker 2: you know. And at first I thought, oh, he's just
Speaker 2: being whimsical, you know, he's just trying to be a
Speaker 2: dad and scare me. But once I learned what wood
Speaker 2: boogers were, and I'm like, oh my god, my dad
Speaker 2: was really trying to scare me here theres So yeah,
Speaker 2: I was just I was obsessed, Daniel, you know what monsters,
Speaker 2: anything monsters. I was consuming on a daily basis.
Speaker 1: Right now, you mentioned wood boog I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Go ahead that where I am, you know, and I
Speaker 2: started looking into things like the indigenous folk because when
Speaker 2: we moved to Arizona, I was hearing from different indigenous
Speaker 2: people how they had their own tales of Bigfoot. So
Speaker 2: you know, that started pulling me in more and more
Speaker 2: and more.
Speaker 1: Nice quick question. Yeah, I'm just curious to get your
Speaker 1: your take on this. Now you mentioned wood burgers, Yes,
Speaker 1: what was your What would be your definition of wood
Speaker 1: boogers Because there's a reason why I'm asking all.
Speaker 2: Well, from how my dad described him. He used to
Speaker 2: tell me that they were kind of like chimp like
Speaker 2: and they had a really nasty attitude that if they
Speaker 2: caught you, they were going to chase you out. So
Speaker 2: I kind of pictured it looking like the Bigfoot in
Speaker 2: the Patterson Gimlain film, you know, really all really broad shoulders.
Speaker 2: So to me, a wood booger was a bigfoot essentially.
Speaker 1: Okay, No, that's fair, because I didn't know if you
Speaker 1: were had a different view on the definition of wood booger.
Speaker 1: The reason I'm bringing that up because here in the
Speaker 1: state of Virginia, more or less down and more down
Speaker 1: towards the southwestern parts of Virginia. Uh, the name of
Speaker 1: the area and anyway, I can't believe it. It's beginning
Speaker 1: with it, but not Virginia. Is her name Bigfoot the
Speaker 1: wood Booger. So I didn't know if it was if
Speaker 1: that was heard of or mentioned or or suggested elsewhere,
Speaker 1: but I know it from the big Foot history in Virginia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the wood Booger was actually the Virginia's Bigfoot, you know, yes,
Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, so that's very cool. I didn't know
Speaker 1: if that was Again, I didn't know if you were
Speaker 1: relating to a big Foot or something entirely different.
Speaker 2: So no, no, I had it was always Bigfoot. And
Speaker 2: you know, when I when we lived in Massachusett's originally
Speaker 2: I used to go out and play in the woods,
Speaker 2: you know, every day, I just go disappear in the
Speaker 2: woods for a couple of hours. And now I realized
Speaker 2: I heard things back there that might have been a
Speaker 2: wood booger. So I'm just kind of like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with this stuff now.
Speaker 1: Wow. Oh okay, another random question, how long did you
Speaker 1: live in Massachusetts for? Ten years?
Speaker 2: Ten years?
Speaker 1: Street? Okay, what part of my Stachusetts.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I lived in Southbridge, Massachusetts. I've been to Boston, Worcester,
Speaker 2: Webster Dudley. I lived in Connecticut for a short time,
Speaker 2: so there's always woods around me, you know, So I
Speaker 2: think that was Nature's where the universe is a way
Speaker 2: of saying, hey, Ryan, you belong the woods, dude.
Speaker 1: I live right outside of Wister in Douglas, Massachusetts, East Douglas. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where i'm That's where I'm from.
Speaker 2: We might have been neighbors at some point, Daniel, that's.
Speaker 1: Crazy, that's possible. I mean I lived out. The street
Speaker 1: I lived in Douglas was called Southeast Main Street. It
Speaker 1: was it was just a few houses surrounded by woods. Nowadays,
Speaker 1: you go up there, you won't even recognize the area.
Speaker 1: It's all grown up with so much change. Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's nuts.
Speaker 1: Wow, that one. You know. Mommy asked me how old
Speaker 1: are you, Ryan?
Speaker 2: I am forty five, and that's a reminder how old
Speaker 2: I'm getting. So thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I'll be forty five in March. So okay, I.
Speaker 4: I am.
Speaker 3: Yeah, aside from movies and stuff growing up and whatnot
Speaker 3: with your dad. And while he was telling you have
Speaker 3: you had any actual cryptid or paranoma type encounters or
Speaker 3: situations that cemented your thought process?
Speaker 4: Now why you took the direction you're taking the Ford.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 2: One thing that really pulled me into this heavily was
Speaker 2: a dog man encounter here in Arizona. You know, first
Speaker 2: I did not believe in the dog man. My friend
Speaker 2: Dakota would tell me about these dog man stories all
Speaker 2: the time, and I just kind of laugh at him,
Speaker 2: you know, go come on, dude, an upbright, get out
Speaker 2: of here. But it happened. You know, Fate played its
Speaker 2: role where one day I was house sitting for my
Speaker 2: friend and his wife while they were out of town.
Speaker 2: I went to go do a midnight checkup because I
Speaker 2: did a routine of morning after nude and then midnight
Speaker 2: would be the last one, so you know, I make
Speaker 2: sure everything was locked up. So I went here about
Speaker 2: midnight and as I walking up, I noticed the coyotes
Speaker 2: around here were going nuts. I mean they sounded nervous.
Speaker 2: They were chittering, they were barking, they were crying and whining,
Speaker 2: And at first I didn't really think anything about it.
Speaker 2: Was kind of like, yeah, you know, maybe they're hunting
Speaker 2: or whatever. But then I started smelling something that was
Speaker 2: just so obnoxious. I mean when I say it's something
Speaker 2: smelled obnoxious, I mean terrible. My eyes were watering. I
Speaker 2: felt like I could taste the smell. You guys, ever
Speaker 2: taste anything so bad that you feel like you tasted it?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So as I got there, I'm going, God, did something die,
Speaker 2: Whether they kill something could brief Anyway, I went along
Speaker 2: the side of the house because he had a side
Speaker 2: entrance that led to the gate of his backyard. As
Speaker 2: I was walking through, it was complete dark back there.
Speaker 2: He couldn't see anything.
Speaker 1: At first.
Speaker 2: I heard something moving, okay, and I'm going, oh, great,
Speaker 2: he's got an animal in his backyard, or there's a
Speaker 2: homeless dude back here that I'm up to beat up
Speaker 2: and get off his property.
Speaker 1: Here we go.
Speaker 2: So I walked into his backyard and I hears something
Speaker 2: like scratching at the ground. I hear the rocks going
Speaker 2: and I get back there and I'm standing there by myself,
Speaker 2: So I go, hey to try to scare anybody off. Okay,
Speaker 2: there's nothing at first, so it goes quiet for a minute.
Speaker 2: Even the coyotes stopped. I move forward a little bit more.
Speaker 2: I hear the sounds again, and I look and I
Speaker 2: can see something moving in the shadows. You know how
Speaker 2: when you there's somebody hiding in the dark, they seem
Speaker 2: darker than the shadows and you can kind of tell
Speaker 2: they're there. Oh sure, yeah, that's what I saw. So
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, human, I thought this was a
Speaker 2: person because it looked like it was on two legs.
Speaker 2: So me, I'm only five ten and a half and
Speaker 2: I think I was like one hundred and twenty three
Speaker 2: pounds at the time, So I puff up like that
Speaker 2: little puffer fish, and I'll oh, hey, this time, I
Speaker 2: hear this really really deep growl that comes back. And
Speaker 2: I mean this growl was like I could feel it
Speaker 2: going through my chest, rattling my boats, you know. So
Speaker 2: I'm going, oh crap. At first, I think it's a
Speaker 2: mountain lion, because we do have mountains in Arizona, right,
Speaker 2: And as I go forward to check it out, you know,
Speaker 2: the security lights pop on. And when those security lights
Speaker 2: went on, it wasn't a mountain lion, a bear, or
Speaker 2: a human that I was looking at. There was a
Speaker 2: hyena face looking right back at me, and it looked
Speaker 2: just like a hyena, except for one problem. This thing
Speaker 2: was actually sitting on its knuckles, so it had its
Speaker 2: hind legs folded behind it, and it's balancing on the
Speaker 2: knuckles of its fingers, and it sees me. I see it,
Speaker 2: and We're just staring at each other. Okay, I'm not
Speaker 2: moving because I know when there's a predator, the worst
Speaker 2: thing you can do is run because you become prey.
Speaker 2: So I'm just standing there, going, what the hell is
Speaker 2: this thing? You know, why am I looking at a hyena?
Speaker 2: My bat friend's backyard. This thing lunges forward and it
Speaker 2: runs and stops on a dime. So it did a
Speaker 2: bluff charge where it stopped just like that, and it
Speaker 2: continues to stare at me. I could see its head
Speaker 2: tilting side to side, its ears are going up and down,
Speaker 2: and then finally it starts to stand up. So I
Speaker 2: hear this loud pump as it reaches up to go
Speaker 2: grab a branch, and so we're just staring at each other.
Speaker 2: You know, we're not moving. It's not coming at me anymore,
Speaker 2: and I'm standing there going, what am I looking at?
Speaker 2: What is this thing?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: I have never seen anything like this? What could it be?
Speaker 2: So he spent maybe like two three minutes staring at
Speaker 2: one another till this thing finally turned around and walked away.
Speaker 2: And the minute it was gone down that hill, Daniel,
Speaker 2: I had rockets in my butt, bro, you just throw them.
Speaker 2: I took up off those stairs and I just slammed
Speaker 2: all his doors. I'm locking his doors, bolting his windows.
Speaker 2: I called my buddy up and I'm like, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: arned me there's a hyena in your backyard. And my
Speaker 2: friend thinks I'm crazy. You know, he said, there going
Speaker 2: to hyaena in Arizona.
Speaker 1: Ryan.
Speaker 2: Come on, dude, you worked at the zoo. You know
Speaker 2: there's no hyenas in Arizona. Now I'm telling him no,
Speaker 2: I just I saw a hyaena in your backyard. Just
Speaker 2: thing stood up and stared at me your door. Was
Speaker 2: a hyena in your backyard. So the next day he
Speaker 2: came home and his wife actually told me, you know,
Speaker 2: it wasn't a hyaena that you saw, Ryan, you need
Speaker 2: to look into Lend to Godfree's books because a lot
Speaker 2: of people described exactly what you saw. So that right there,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god. Once I started reading
Speaker 2: her books, I realized, holy crap, this dog man. Thing
Speaker 2: is real, and I saw one of these dog men,
Speaker 2: so I became obsessed with the whole subjects.
Speaker 4: What size would you say? It was about? Approximately? How tall?
Speaker 4: From what you could tell?
Speaker 2: And wait, maybe when it stood up on two legs,
Speaker 2: I'd say maybe six and a half feet maybe because
Speaker 2: I'm five ten and a half, so it was about
Speaker 2: a foot over me, so about six and a half
Speaker 2: feet tall. Yeah. Wow, Wow, it was a tall boy.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't muscular. Daniel were already familiar with this,
Speaker 2: but a lot of people that see dog men nowadays
Speaker 2: describe almost the bodybuilder kind of body frame where they
Speaker 2: got the huge muscles, the huge arms. Mine wasn't like that.
Speaker 2: The one that I saw I compare more to a
Speaker 2: basketball player.
Speaker 1: He was very lean.
Speaker 2: He had muscle, but it was that lean kind of muscle.
Speaker 1: Right, kind of tall, slanky but yet conditioned. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he wasn't building bricked out, but
Speaker 2: you know he had more muscle than I did. So
Speaker 2: I didn't want to try to challenge this thing.
Speaker 1: Right for me, to be completely honest with you, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm not denying what you what you're sharing, because when
Speaker 1: it came to when it comes to the whole dog
Speaker 1: man phenomenon. I mean, in my complete honestly, I've always
Speaker 1: been a non believer then, but I want to believe it.
Speaker 1: I really I want to believe that because you know, like,
Speaker 1: but you, I believe you're you know, you're seeing what
Speaker 1: you said you saw. It's just even though i'm you know,
Speaker 1: so therefore I'm not calling you a liar at all.
Speaker 1: It's just me. I'm one of those extreme skeptics when
Speaker 1: it comes to you, because it's.
Speaker 2: Like I shore, in fact, I look for other alternatives.
Speaker 2: Me and my friend Kenny Thibodeau, along with Robert Pravo,
Speaker 2: we actually into other possibilities like maybe it was a
Speaker 2: relative species from an ancient hyena type or something along
Speaker 2: those lines, because hyenas aren't even canines. Okay, whatever I
Speaker 2: saw was hyena like, so I can't say it was
Speaker 2: a dog man because it's not a dog. So that
Speaker 2: scientific part of my brain's going, well, if it's not
Speaker 2: a canine, you can't say it's a dog man. You know,
Speaker 2: it's something help but it's a inscription of other people
Speaker 2: are seeing too, So I'm kind of caught on the fence.
Speaker 1: Here, right, No, I get what you're saying, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean you saw something that clearly defiance like or
Speaker 1: appears to be canine light. So because I mean, the dog.
Speaker 3: Man has history too, just like Bigfoot does, right, I
Speaker 3: mean it goes back, you know, for for for many
Speaker 3: many many years, and different cultures also.
Speaker 4: And it's my thought process is.
Speaker 3: When people start talking about any part of the crypti aspect,
Speaker 3: I'm the one that's got to keep an open mind
Speaker 3: because you got Bigfoot competing against dog Man, you got
Speaker 3: dog Man competing against Lizardman, and vice versa.
Speaker 4: And that's why you get these different groups.
Speaker 3: Well, they'll lean more towards this way than the other way,
Speaker 3: but not everybody's crazy. People see something that they can't
Speaker 3: explain and they try to describe at the best they
Speaker 3: can or the encounter that they have. Sure, uh uh yeah,
Speaker 3: I got an open mind towards that too, because you
Speaker 3: know that's.
Speaker 2: I do as well. But you know, you do have
Speaker 2: to have that skepticism though. There has to be that
Speaker 2: healthy dose of skepticism so you don't fall for anything
Speaker 2: not so open that your brains leak out.
Speaker 1: Ye, right, So I mean I guess like on my part,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to believe on that. Like now,
Speaker 1: like when it comes to Bigfoot, I'm not just a believer.
Speaker 1: I'm a knower, you know. I I had my experiences,
Speaker 1: you know, and then i've you know, I found the evidence,
Speaker 1: you know to back it up. But like the dogma thing,
Speaker 1: like just the way people, here's my thing because you know,
Speaker 1: like you know, we're all all of us here on
Speaker 1: the panel, we're we're all on social media, and we're
Speaker 1: we all you know, we belong to a lot of
Speaker 1: these bigfoot and cryptic groups. You know. For the longest time,
Speaker 1: I was actually on one of the dog man groups
Speaker 1: because you know, like, hey, if there's evidence out there,
Speaker 1: people are finding stuff, I need to see it for
Speaker 1: myself because you know, again, I want to believe. But
Speaker 1: my biggest thing is, you know, and for those who
Speaker 1: don't know me, I'm a wildlife and bigfoot researcher. I
Speaker 1: look at big wildlife before I come to any conclusions
Speaker 1: towards bigfoot. Right. So with that is said, with a
Speaker 1: lot of the evidence that does that that I have
Speaker 1: seen on these dog man groups, people are posting pictures
Speaker 1: of feeline tracks again feed line that track and trying
Speaker 1: to claim them as dog man tracks, and so that's
Speaker 1: where that's you know. Yeah, so that's where my phrase
Speaker 1: that I share so on my Facebook, learn and know
Speaker 1: what is known before seeking the young known, learn your wildlife,
Speaker 1: Learn what does Yeah. So that's where I have a
Speaker 1: hard time, like, okay, you know, so I don't know
Speaker 1: the history. I haven't really died too much into the
Speaker 1: history of the Dogman phenomenon except for the holy little
Speaker 1: bit of history that I know from what I found.
Speaker 1: A lot of the stories originated out of Michigan. And
Speaker 1: the story that I found from Michigan, so Paul's they
Speaker 1: came from a campfire story that turned into a song,
Speaker 1: and then stories started being spread out and then the
Speaker 1: legend was born from there. I I'm sure there's something
Speaker 1: more that can dates back a lot more than that,
Speaker 1: you know, And this came from the early nineteen eighties
Speaker 1: or maybe seventy there is.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of what got me really into the
Speaker 2: dog Man phenomena, though Daniel is the Cherokee actually have
Speaker 2: a oral condition where they talk about the Ulanga Dogada okay,
Speaker 2: and they described this as a bipedal wolf like creature
Speaker 2: that its breath is brandchy, you can smell its breath
Speaker 2: from miles away. Its red eyes glow in the dark,
Speaker 2: and it hunts, you know, the hunters and the women
Speaker 2: and the children. So they fear this thing. And a
Speaker 2: lot of people will cite that as solid proof that
Speaker 2: the dog Man is real, but they don't believe the
Speaker 2: whole Cherokee legend though, because in Cherokee legend, the oolanga
Speaker 2: can actually change sheep, so it can go from a
Speaker 2: bunk into a zombie like human. Okay, so you can't
Speaker 2: site that as solid, concrete proof that dog Man is real,
Speaker 2: but it does give you something to examine closer.
Speaker 1: Okay. Now, in my own private, personal folklore, I hunt women,
Speaker 1: now let me stop. I mean I usually I usually
Speaker 1: take them to my camp. But that's about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got the cops knocking on my door and
Speaker 2: then I was like, yeah, I won't hunt women anymore.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I had to throw that out there. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a goof.
Speaker 2: He's a good thing, Daniel Webty's a good thing.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. So Yeah, So, I I personally have not really
Speaker 1: dived into the whole dog Man, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: would that be saying when I'm out in the woods.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm only watching the ground. I really am,
Speaker 1: because that's how I have I feel like I've been
Speaker 1: successful at finding a lot of the tracks in the
Speaker 1: past that I have come across and we're able to
Speaker 1: get cast of. But you know, as far as looking
Speaker 1: for anything that stands out otherwise, I have yet to
Speaker 1: really find anything that really suggests like just here in
Speaker 1: Virginia alone. I mean, oh, you know that I can
Speaker 1: even speak for the short times I've been up in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: but I really would love to find some evidence out
Speaker 1: here because there's many claims that people say that supposed
Speaker 1: the dog man's out here on the East Toast, but
Speaker 1: I would love to find evidence of such. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of.
Speaker 2: People online they'll tell you that dog men are everywhere,
Speaker 2: which I guess is possible.
Speaker 1: But if we're everywhere, though.
Speaker 2: We'd find some kind of solid evidence by now. That's
Speaker 2: my hang up right there, is you know any tracks
Speaker 2: that we see, like you said, they're usually feline or
Speaker 2: they're you know, rabbits that jumped in the snow, and yeah,
Speaker 2: really really odd. It looks strange. So to people it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's a dog man and you're looking at it going
Speaker 2: but no, it's got three toes and it's like the
Speaker 2: size of your head. How's that a dog?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: Look, for example, talkbost tracks in the snow. Have you
Speaker 1: ever look at enough deer tracks that walk in the snow,
Speaker 1: and you know, we know deer tracks have but you know,
Speaker 1: split hoof and they they're pointing, they're sharp and pointing
Speaker 1: at the tips. Look at the way they drag and
Speaker 1: step they I was looking at deer tracks a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago in my backyard and I was like walking
Speaker 1: along and said, wow, that's interesting. Look at the way
Speaker 1: they step in and dragging your claw. You know, they're hoofts.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, some of it looks kind
Speaker 1: of bizarre, you know.
Speaker 2: Like wow, absolutely, yes.
Speaker 1: So, I mean because we had a combination of you know,
Speaker 1: of course we have cats that stay outside, but we
Speaker 1: had cat tracks in the snow. We had little bunny
Speaker 1: tracks in this snow, and then the dear. We have
Speaker 1: a lot of dear in the yard here. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting.
Speaker 2: Little bold to say dog man doesn't exist. I think
Speaker 2: there is something out there, but I think we're kind
Speaker 2: of hyping it up a little bit, you know, because
Speaker 2: you hear those stories of how they shot the dog
Speaker 2: man and the bullet just didn't hurt it. Well, I mean,
Speaker 2: if it's flesh and blood, if you shoot anything like that,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be hurt, it's gonna bleed, it's gonna leave
Speaker 2: evidence of its existence. Yet we're all hearing otherwise, you know.
Speaker 2: So is it that people are making the stories up?
Speaker 2: Are they seeing something that's not really there physically?
Speaker 4: You know? Is there an.
Speaker 2: Interdimensional slip to these things. It's all a possibility. We
Speaker 2: just we don't know yet. We just don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, well, it's funny that you bring that up about
Speaker 1: shooting any kind of because I've heard stories about bears
Speaker 1: being shot. I mean, e'xcuse me, bigfoot being shy and
Speaker 1: it doesn't phase them. Well, right, I can tell you
Speaker 1: there's stories about very large black bears here in Virginia
Speaker 1: that have been shine. You might only shoot and wound them.
Speaker 1: You may not kill them with a single shoe, because
Speaker 1: if they're a large enough animal, yeah, you might have
Speaker 1: just pissed him off enough to where like, for example,
Speaker 1: the one a few miles up the road several years ago,
Speaker 1: a group of hunters were bear hunting right off the
Speaker 1: mountain the part of the parkway. They were on the
Speaker 1: base of the mountain and instead of staying together, the
Speaker 1: you know, one of the guy that shot the bear
Speaker 1: split off from the other rouit. Oh yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what's happened next, old boy? Yeah, that bear did
Speaker 1: not kill He was pissed off because he got wounded.
Speaker 1: What did that bear do is he made a circle.
Speaker 1: He circled around and he found one guy that was
Speaker 1: vulnerable all by himself, and that bear happened to go
Speaker 1: towards that guy and it starts to attack him. Luckily,
Speaker 1: the other hunters weren't entirely too far off. They were
Speaker 1: able to come in approach and shoot the bear deck
Speaker 1: But wow, so I mean, yeah, everybody, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: the guy suffered to us some minor injuries. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they were able to shoot the bear dead. And then
Speaker 1: later on in a local newspaper there was pictures of
Speaker 1: the bear. It was a big bear. They had laid
Speaker 1: out in front of a in the frontrunt of a
Speaker 1: back of bucket, laid out stretched. I mean, wow, it
Speaker 1: was huge.
Speaker 2: Getting chased by a bear is one of the most
Speaker 2: terrifying things to happen. I had it happened to me once.
Speaker 2: I don't ever want to repeat that again.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I got chased by a mama bear and uhuh
Speaker 2: not doing that again.
Speaker 1: Wow? Yeah, well compared to us humans, yeah, a bear
Speaker 1: could outrun him, because you know, bears could run up
Speaker 1: for thirty miles an hour. We can't run that fast.
Speaker 2: I don't think she wanted to hurt me really or
Speaker 2: you know, maim me at all. I think she's just
Speaker 2: trying to get me away from her babies. But she
Speaker 2: was to do so, and it definitely worked. It most
Speaker 2: definitely worked. And I was just like when I got
Speaker 2: free of that bear, I was kissing the ground, like, oh,
Speaker 2: thank you God.
Speaker 1: Wow, crazy man? Do you guys have a lot of beer?
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 2: I did have a big foot encounter or a possible
Speaker 2: bigfoot encounter here in Arizona as well.
Speaker 1: Really, yes, yes, I.
Speaker 2: Went a ghost hunting with a friend of mine. He
Speaker 2: came down from Georgia. He came all the way to
Speaker 2: Arizona and he wanted to go to this mountain range
Speaker 2: that was nearby and he wanted to go looking for bigfoot.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, all right, yeah, great, let's go. And
Speaker 2: it was maybe about midnight, maybe one o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2: I got this really crazy idea of taking my phone
Speaker 2: and playing the Ohio howell. I'm sure you guys are familiar.
Speaker 1: With that one. Oh yeah, yeah for your okay.
Speaker 2: So what I was doing is I would play it.
Speaker 2: I'd wait maybe about five minutes, play it again, wait
Speaker 2: five minutes, play it again. About the fourth time, we
Speaker 2: heard something way off in the background. We heard that
Speaker 2: whoop whoop, and that's when I turned off the phone.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, whoa did you hear that? We're just
Speaker 2: we're sitting there in the dark. We turned off our lights,
Speaker 2: and his poor pit bull started getting really nervous. And
Speaker 2: it was a big pit bull Daniel, so she didn't
Speaker 2: get afraid of that much, but she looked really nervous.
Speaker 2: She started shaking all sudden. We hear a rhythmic clapping
Speaker 2: moving closer to us. It was like a steady like that.
Speaker 2: And we turned our lights back on and as we
Speaker 2: scan the distance, maybe about thirty feet away, we saw
Speaker 2: eyes that were maybe about seven feet above the vegetation,
Speaker 2: and when our lights hit it, it duck down real quick.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: We started moving off. Something was throwing rocks at us,
Speaker 2: not hitting us, but throwing them at our feet. We
Speaker 2: heard the whooping sound again, so we started going away.
Speaker 2: We started moving down the hill into the valley, and
Speaker 2: whatever it was, it was paralleling us up on the ridge,
Speaker 2: walking alongside us until we actually got out of there.
Speaker 1: Wow, now that sounds like a big foot behavior based
Speaker 1: off all the other descriptions.
Speaker 2: And yeah, absolutely, yeah, So I think that was a
Speaker 2: possible big foot encounter.
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 2: I didn't see it, you know, up close. I didn't
Speaker 2: see what his base was like or what color it was,
Speaker 2: but I saw the eyes pining bright. So when the
Speaker 2: lights hit the eyes, they were thing off.
Speaker 1: What color was the reflection of the eyes.
Speaker 2: It was almost a mixture of like the yellow, but
Speaker 2: depending on the angle and turn red.
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting because my encounter I share when people ask
Speaker 1: me to, like, I mean, I shared it in the
Speaker 1: story I tell. But the encounter that me and five
Speaker 1: others had back in twenty fourteen here in Virginia, Now
Speaker 1: we all had headlamps. They all took place after midnight.
Speaker 1: But what we were seeing they all had bright, yellowish
Speaker 1: looking glowing eyes from a reflection from our headlamps. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: So That's why I love that. I only hear this
Speaker 1: on a few occasions from other people, but I want
Speaker 1: to know, like that's what I'm kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is awesome. I'm not the only one that saw
Speaker 1: yellow lives.
Speaker 2: We definitely did. Definitely did so. And the way that
Speaker 2: it ducked down real quick, it did not want to
Speaker 2: be seen, you know, because when that lak was coming
Speaker 2: into direction and the light hit it, it just said,
Speaker 2: I'm out of hearing it dropped down real quick.
Speaker 1: Right. The reason I'm glad you I asked that and
Speaker 1: you shared that is because I get to hear a
Speaker 1: lot of stories where people say, yeah, I saw red
Speaker 1: eye shine. You know, Okay, red eye shine could be
Speaker 1: a number of species, but when it comes to something,
Speaker 1: when it comes to height, based off my experience on
Speaker 1: like bears, just black bears alone, you shine a light
Speaker 1: up their eyes, you got to see red. Yes, every
Speaker 1: black bear here in Virginia that I've never seen, either
Speaker 1: at night, crossing the road on me or whatever, they
Speaker 1: have always had red eye shine. And they say even
Speaker 1: a grizzly will have red eye shine. I never seen
Speaker 1: a grizzly, but I've heard from others that yeah, or
Speaker 1: Grizzly will produce red eye shine. So it always makes
Speaker 1: me question, right, it always makes me question, are these
Speaker 1: people really? I mean, they claim to see you, Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: but you know, hey, the eye shine was red and
Speaker 1: it was like seven eight feet tall. Could have been
Speaker 1: a big tall bear standing up at night looking at them,
Speaker 1: and they you know, they're not seeing features of whatever
Speaker 1: they're witnessing. That's always big a question. You know. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying big but doesn't produce red eye shine. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have no idea, but I know
Speaker 1: what I saw in twenty fourteen. All three of them
Speaker 1: had yellow eyes.
Speaker 3: But with the type of right, with the type of
Speaker 3: light also determined the type of eye shine you might
Speaker 3: get back.
Speaker 1: See, that's another question. Yeah, I've always wondered that too.
Speaker 2: The intensity of the light determines what color the eye
Speaker 2: shine's going to be. So if you have a really
Speaker 2: dim light, you might get kind of like a faint white.
Speaker 2: If your light's bright off, you might get yellow like
Speaker 2: we got. And if it's right, you might get the red.
Speaker 2: You might even get the blue or the green. So
Speaker 2: it's possible that Bigfoot has a wide range of eye
Speaker 2: shine color depending on the you know, the in tensity
Speaker 2: of your.
Speaker 1: Light, right, which, yeah, see now that makes sense because
Speaker 1: I mean a couple of us, I will recall we
Speaker 1: had some bright headlamps on a couple of them. A
Speaker 1: couple of them might have damn, but a couple of
Speaker 1: us had some very extremely high LED you know.
Speaker 2: So there you go. And I think, you know, also
Speaker 2: it depends if it's natural light as opposed to LED
Speaker 2: lights or anything like that. I think depending on that
Speaker 2: that you could also change the eye color with that
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I was thinking, yeah, that's why I am
Speaker 4: hmmm interesting.
Speaker 2: Well, if you notice humans with the old school pliari
Speaker 2: cameras when we used to take pictures during the eighties, Daniel,
Speaker 2: you know, we used to come out with red eyes.
Speaker 2: It looked like a demonic uprising of the eighties because
Speaker 2: we all had the red.
Speaker 1: I got plenty pictures of meet with red eyes, that's
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: There you go, and humans don't give off eyeshine, So
Speaker 2: maybe you know it's the the bright light that's causing
Speaker 2: the red reflection from different bigfoot.
Speaker 1: M A very interesting way to look at that though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, mm hmm, yeah, absolutely hmm. Yeah, I wonder
Speaker 1: if there's a way, I mean, do you think I mean,
Speaker 1: even David and Listen feel free to jump in on this.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean as far as to determining a
Speaker 1: more accurate lens cover or or eye shine color. Is
Speaker 1: there something you guys think we should be able to
Speaker 1: be able to do do or produce or use that
Speaker 1: might give them more accurate eye shine color? Then, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe that's kind of a tough question. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but that's something I would like to know.
Speaker 8: I mean, I think we're kind of limited on the
Speaker 8: kind of lights we can use when we're out there
Speaker 8: because because just stand the bolt and stuff like that,
Speaker 8: then you got your i R you know, uh, from
Speaker 8: your cameras and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Plus you got your i R flag flight I said
Speaker 3: we used sometimes, right, I mean, that's not that we
Speaker 3: can look at as soon that we can come up with,
Speaker 3: you know, for a camp house and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think we'll be kind of limited on
Speaker 4: on the scope of what we might.
Speaker 3: Be able to get to be able to well you
Speaker 3: could do it, you know.
Speaker 2: So I'm not saying that Bigfoot is a type of ape. Okay,
Speaker 2: but your gorillas and chimpanzees, they are primates, okay, now,
Speaker 2: primate category. What we could do is test the brightness
Speaker 2: of lights on different primates to see what color eyeshine
Speaker 2: they give off.
Speaker 1: That's true, Yes, absolutely, that is true. Because yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: glad you brought that up, Ran, because now there's many
Speaker 1: people out there that look at Bigfoot a type of
Speaker 1: human and they'll they'll deny the primate side of things. However,
Speaker 1: you know, like I bring this up all the time
Speaker 1: in various discussions in my research, I believe there's a
Speaker 1: big contradiction in this because us as humans, we're considered primates, right, yes,
Speaker 1: thank you, primate, yes exactly, we're on the great rates,
Speaker 1: you know. So there's a card addiction. If you're going
Speaker 1: to deny one and except the other, you can't do that.
Speaker 1: You got to take them both together. So so that's
Speaker 1: my honestly, go ahead, please do go ahead.
Speaker 2: So okay. With the way that people view Bigfoot as
Speaker 2: a spiritual entity, I think they like the romanticism that
Speaker 2: comes with it, because when you talk to a lot
Speaker 2: of the indigenous tribes, Okay, Bigfoot is viewed as a
Speaker 2: spiritual being. You like the Ojibwe call him the Yeah
Speaker 2: all right, he was a greataker. That Tom taught us honesty.
Speaker 2: And there's a little irony in there because Bigfoot the
Speaker 2: Sabe brings us honesty and truth. Yet how many hoaxers
Speaker 2: do we have in the Bigfoot field? I mean, there's
Speaker 2: irony there. But I think people need to kind of
Speaker 2: deviate away from the spirituality just a little bit so
Speaker 2: we can actually find answers. Okay, you can't answer every
Speaker 2: question by going, oh, well, I don't have to answer
Speaker 2: that because it's spiritual. You're not doing you do that.
Speaker 2: You know, when you shut people down from asking questions,
Speaker 2: what are you even doing? You're you're not serving the
Speaker 2: field in any way, shape or form. You're just being
Speaker 2: stuck up. You're putting a cog, you know, screwing the cogs.
Speaker 2: So we can't be a well oiled machine. And that's
Speaker 2: a big problem in the cryptosiology field. We're not allowed
Speaker 2: to ask questions.
Speaker 1: Right, people get offended by questions we asked. We have
Speaker 1: questions because David, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: You know, it's seemed getting worse nowadays. Ay, and everything's
Speaker 4: going on.
Speaker 3: You got you know, you're like you all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: you've got your hope, you got all this AI stuff.
Speaker 4: And then people that really hadn't had any experiences were.
Speaker 3: Saying this, So how they're gonna believe those that truly
Speaker 3: say that they had an experience. It's basically gonna be
Speaker 3: boiling down to it's gonna be first hand experiences. What
Speaker 3: all of us is going to come down to. Yeah,
Speaker 3: sure you believe or not believe anymore photos and so
Speaker 3: on and so forth to where you can rationalize about
Speaker 3: what you're looking at. I mean anything I see on
Speaker 3: the internet, Moore, I just take it with the brain.
Speaker 3: St That's why we go camping to get our own experience,
Speaker 3: and and we may get some fantastic sometimes and then
Speaker 3: at some point and then who's gonna believe that one
Speaker 3: we tell them? You know, because of all this fake
Speaker 3: stuff going around, and people want to embellish things and
Speaker 3: they tell their story and and and every shadow they
Speaker 3: see is a bigfoot or a dog man or whatever
Speaker 3: the case may be.
Speaker 4: But you gotta be able to ratchal.
Speaker 3: I sit back, look at it, like you said, Daniel,
Speaker 3: know what you're doing out there, Understand the environment, people
Speaker 3: behavior and behavior, and work backwards. It's where you can
Speaker 3: exhaust any possibility. And once you get all the possibilities
Speaker 3: exhausted to what it could.
Speaker 2: Have been, then you may have something there you go.
Speaker 2: You have to bunk yourself first. You have to debunk yourself.
Speaker 2: Don't be too proud to do that. That's what I
Speaker 2: do with myself when I go out researching. If I
Speaker 2: have photos or videos, I'm scrubbing through it and I'll
Speaker 2: debunk myself before I say, oh, look I got a
Speaker 2: bigfoot in her baby and twelve dog men behind them.
Speaker 1: Right right? Well, yeah, well you know right with that me,
Speaker 1: you said, like I tell people when you know, like
Speaker 1: I've been questioned and asked this, you know, multiple times
Speaker 1: from people that are new and that want to get
Speaker 1: involved with this, you know, like, hey, what what could
Speaker 1: I do to get involved with big foot research? I said, Well,
Speaker 1: it's technically, I told them. I says, there's no right
Speaker 1: or wrong way to do this. I said, you've gotta
Speaker 1: have fun with it regardless. But you know, I give
Speaker 1: them some basics, Like my basics are well, first of all,
Speaker 1: choose an area, get familiar with it, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: learn about the wildlife that you know, you know, learn
Speaker 1: about what you know exists, and having these areas, get
Speaker 1: familiar with all them, get familiar with a tract. If
Speaker 1: you don't know wildlife, that's the first thing I would
Speaker 1: tell them. But you know, there's so much, uh, there's
Speaker 1: so many other things, Like when you go out in
Speaker 1: the woods. This is the biggest thing I tell people.
Speaker 1: And again this is easier said than done, because I
Speaker 1: know I get caught up with this, but I tell them,
Speaker 1: when you go out there, don't think about bigfoot. Get
Speaker 1: big Foot of your brain the first thing you do,
Speaker 1: regardless of the cryptic, exactly, regardless of the crypto, your
Speaker 1: research and get it off your brain, because think about
Speaker 1: every other while. Like, yeah, again, I'm gonna say that's
Speaker 1: easier said than done, because when I'm out in the
Speaker 1: woods now, I mean even till this day, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm right there at age with you. I've been doing
Speaker 1: this for over fifteen years, you know, And like, again,
Speaker 1: it's easier said than done. Because you're excited, you're pumped up.
Speaker 1: You want to find that evidence. You want to find
Speaker 1: something that might contribute that you might be able to
Speaker 1: contribute to a bigfoot or whatever your researcher. And again,
Speaker 1: bigfoot does creep up on you. It's like, you know, oh, man,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be bigfoot evidence right there. Damn it, Daniel,
Speaker 1: stop that's probably a bear or whether did that or
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I know it's easier
Speaker 1: said than done. We get pumped up in what we're
Speaker 1: involved in.
Speaker 2: So that's what we differ though, Daniel, because like when
Speaker 2: I go out doing my skin walker investigations, I don't
Speaker 2: want to see a skinwalker. I'm not going, oh, maybe
Speaker 2: today's the day that I'm gonna run into a you know,
Speaker 2: a Luci. I'm going, Please don't let this be the
Speaker 2: day that I run into one. I don't want to
Speaker 2: see one.
Speaker 1: Right, But uh, I mean all kinds of thoughts run
Speaker 1: for your mind when you hear unfamiliar sounds or strangeness
Speaker 1: out there. I mean, I'm sure David Molist can tell
Speaker 1: you can we've heard, you know, maybe not with me
Speaker 1: enough where they've heard enough on their own, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, where we question things, you know, Uh.
Speaker 2: Familiarize yourself with a known wildlife. That's what I always
Speaker 2: tell people, right, I jump on the line, look up
Speaker 2: different noises like elk foxes, bobcasts because you might hear
Speaker 2: that when you're out there. So if you know what sound,
Speaker 2: you can dismiss those noises right off the bat.
Speaker 1: So you're not going to.
Speaker 2: You're not going to sit there. And that was a
Speaker 2: big foot that you can actually sit there and go no,
Speaker 2: what that was?
Speaker 4: Was this?
Speaker 2: So moving on right?
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny, guys.
Speaker 3: The story on that too is there are some people
Speaker 3: that say that bigfoot mimic.
Speaker 4: You know, you got that aspect to look at too, but.
Speaker 3: At this point at bigfoot, because ols do the same thing.
Speaker 1: Sound right, Well, you know, it's just I was called
Speaker 1: an idiot not long ago in a bigfoot group. Well
Speaker 1: it's it's a local Virginia bigfoot group. And the guy
Speaker 1: who runs the group, he's a good friend of mine.
Speaker 1: He's a really nice guy, much older gentleman.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: Well, somebody in the group, well he well he shared
Speaker 1: a YouTube video from this other individual that lives out
Speaker 1: in Charlottesville, Virginia. And anyway, he played this audio that
Speaker 1: he captured and and I listened to the audio. I
Speaker 1: was curious to see what kind of audio. You know, hey,
Speaker 1: if it's in Virginia and I you know, it was
Speaker 1: something strange that somebody recorded. Of course, I want to
Speaker 1: be on topic. I want to hear this. Then maybe
Speaker 1: it's something i've heard before, you know, So of course,
Speaker 1: sure enough, I pushed I pushed play on his YouTube video.
Speaker 1: Listen to this sound. And now from the record. Before
Speaker 1: I even listen to this, they were trying. They were
Speaker 1: clearly saying this was not no knowing species, this was
Speaker 1: something else. This is something blah blah blah. So okay,
Speaker 1: I was like, this is good. I was already I
Speaker 1: was already intrigued. I had to listen to this. I
Speaker 1: pushed play on his YouTube video, and I'm listening to
Speaker 1: this audio, this gentleman recording, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm listening to all these owls and I'm waiting for
Speaker 1: something else that should pop up. Come to the end
Speaker 1: of the audio. I never heard nothing different. It was
Speaker 1: so I was like, wait a minute, I said, is
Speaker 1: this what is this serious? I was like, are you
Speaker 1: guys serious? I was like, I've had owls over the years,
Speaker 1: close to distance. I've heard them all and people don't
Speaker 1: realize he's bart Al makes some god awful crazy sounds
Speaker 1: and I've heard them all. I promise you, I promise
Speaker 1: you they do. Hey. I was like, I've been out
Speaker 1: in the woods enough by myself with others. I've heard
Speaker 1: them all. They make some weird ship, you know. So
Speaker 1: we got.
Speaker 4: Them around here and Barty Allison. Every now and then,
Speaker 4: maybe twenty five yards.
Speaker 3: From me, they let out a big, real long, creaching
Speaker 3: sound like scream, and if you're not prepared for, I
Speaker 3: don't know what it is.
Speaker 4: You're going to be running. People wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean Bobcats scream.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never heard one before.
Speaker 2: And it's a nighttime and you hear that, you're like,
Speaker 2: what what is that?
Speaker 1: I've heard them all. Yeah, some of them very close
Speaker 1: uh barm pass and ours. I've heard Bobcats like within
Speaker 1: feet from Like I can't that with me. And like
Speaker 1: actually my ex wife many years ago in the same
Speaker 1: National Fourth where I normally do my of my research
Speaker 1: and oh my gosh, it put like the raised my
Speaker 1: heart really high in my chest and flooded because it
Speaker 1: was at nighttime and if we were we were tent
Speaker 1: camping in an area where you're not allowed to camp
Speaker 1: at it no more. But you know, they don't want
Speaker 1: people camping in the everything. The college kids trash trashed
Speaker 1: the area. But anyway, long story short, I've uh talked
Speaker 1: going back to this whole recording I've listened to. I
Speaker 1: was like, I found this recording of bartiles recorded recorded
Speaker 1: in an enclosure, and when I when I listened to
Speaker 1: these sounds, I was like, dude, I said, these are
Speaker 1: somebody recorded the same sounds and tried to say it
Speaker 1: wasn't wasn't ants. So I shared it. I actually put
Speaker 1: it on my YouTube channel and then I shared it
Speaker 1: into this group. You know, it's like, listen to these bardiles,
Speaker 1: you know, blah blah blah, same identical sounds. I was like,
Speaker 1: I got records of I got recordings, so I'll on
Speaker 1: my SoundCloud account so you could hear the hoots and
Speaker 1: whatever various sounds. But yes, Bardas will make some really
Speaker 1: crazy sounds. Bartile is one of the very few species
Speaker 1: that will mimic well not it's just a mintic, but
Speaker 1: will sound like friddings.
Speaker 2: So yes, that's.
Speaker 1: Exactly what I produced. And you know what, everything they
Speaker 1: were all in the original post. I didn't get questions.
Speaker 1: I think I felt like I was the judge slamming
Speaker 1: his whatever you call the galbl gabble yes, thank you,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I rest my case. I didn't
Speaker 1: say none, I just put I just posted it and
Speaker 1: showed it, and then they've listened to it. I didn't
Speaker 1: have to say no more. I rest my case.
Speaker 2: So here's the question, maybe one of you three can
Speaker 2: answer it. But where did the whole thing of big
Speaker 2: Foot mimicking people come from? Originally? Because I've spoken to
Speaker 2: indigenous people of all tribes across the United See, none
Speaker 2: of them talk to them mimicking their people. So I'm
Speaker 2: wondering where did.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny that you bring it up, because that's
Speaker 1: a very common trait among primates, primate semitting. But but
Speaker 1: then again, people say, well, Bigfoot's note of primate, but
Speaker 1: yet he minted. It's a very common behavior and trait
Speaker 1: among known speeches of primates. They will mind it other
Speaker 1: animation there exactly. So it's funny. I'm glad you know.
Speaker 1: And I don't try to push I do, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I try to share strongly of my opinion and my
Speaker 1: conclusion on big Fill because everything I find, and you know,
Speaker 1: I don't try Ryan, I don't try to come across
Speaker 1: as I know at all. I swear I really do.
Speaker 1: But with my research and the things I keep coming
Speaker 1: up with from the time I got involved with this,
Speaker 1: even up to today, everything I experienced myself, or what
Speaker 1: people are producing and what people are sharing, I feel like,
Speaker 1: honestly everything supports more of what I'm looking at and
Speaker 1: more of what I'm believing Bigfoot just to be. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know we can't prove it right now, but there's
Speaker 1: more and more evidence people they I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't understand how people look at evidence that they're really
Speaker 1: paying attention, but more and more it's pointed towards them
Speaker 1: being a type of primate. Yes, I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying big for the groller. I'm not saying big for
Speaker 1: the chimpanzee or a ring tank. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: believe he's his own type of species, of his own
Speaker 1: kind that we don't know.
Speaker 2: There's an overlap there. I think that people when you
Speaker 2: say the word primate, they instantly think monkey, but exactly
Speaker 2: could include human. If we meant specifically monkey, we'd say simeon.
Speaker 2: You know, if we were saying rhyme, then you can
Speaker 2: get mad at us we're calling the monkey's But if
Speaker 2: we're saying primate, they could be a type of human
Speaker 2: for all you know, you know, so so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of my when I when I go speaking engagements,
Speaker 1: one of the things I like to share that's in
Speaker 1: my uh regardless, I switched my presentations on so often,
Speaker 1: but one of the main things I always add in there.
Speaker 1: It's a simple thing when I show up a non
Speaker 1: human and a human finger, because you know, I go
Speaker 1: to explain that, hey, look, there's only two species in
Speaker 1: this entire world that have what we have, and it
Speaker 1: shows dermal ridges.
Speaker 2: Human right, and we all think, uh, people lean heavily
Speaker 2: into is when they talk about the indigenous Bigfoot. How
Speaker 2: you know Bigfoot is seen as a spiritual being. I
Speaker 2: think what we have to keep in mind though, is
Speaker 2: a lot of people are taking oral traditions that seem
Speaker 2: like Bigfoot and saying that they absolutely are Bigfoot without
Speaker 2: looking into the details. And they also have to keep
Speaker 2: in mind that sure, in some stories Bigfoot is seen
Speaker 2: as spiritual, but in some stories, so we're owls and buffalo.
Speaker 1: And yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 2: You know, you can't just say, oh, well Bigfoot is
Speaker 2: one hundred spiritual because they said so. No, you got
Speaker 2: to look at their other stories and see what else
Speaker 2: they considered spiritual and kind of take it from there.
Speaker 1: Right and one. You know, it's funny. I'm glad you
Speaker 1: brought that up. I'm sure if we had. I don't
Speaker 1: know if Ryan, I don't know if you know him,
Speaker 1: but William Knighthawk's my brother.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love him. He's very knowledgeable. Hey, with
Speaker 1: what you just said, I honestly believe that he would
Speaker 1: agree with you. So, because that's the way a lot
Speaker 1: of us look at stuff like that. Yeah, you're Native American.
Speaker 1: I don't care what what tribe you come from. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Native Americans looking at almost every any rush of blood
Speaker 1: as a spiritual being. Yes, they talk about the spirit
Speaker 1: of the eagle, the spirit of the deal, the spirit
Speaker 1: of a wolf. You know, every species has a spirit.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: You have to look into the details, though, and actually
Speaker 2: pay attention to their traditions to see what they mean
Speaker 2: by spiritual, because they have different definitions of spiritual.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: So Bigfoot they sometimes say that he was a gift
Speaker 2: from the Creator, but they're not saying that he's, you know,
Speaker 2: from a different world. They're saying that their creator, their God,
Speaker 2: put him down here to live alongside us. You really
Speaker 2: have to look into the details. You can't just skip
Speaker 2: over the details and cherry pick what you want. That's
Speaker 2: not how it works.
Speaker 1: That's right exactly, And I think a lot and a
Speaker 1: lot of individuals do that without Yes, you know, you.
Speaker 2: Know, William Nighthawk's tribe, the Lakota, in his tribey called
Speaker 2: the Bigfoot that Chaya Tunka, that means big elder brother. Okay, right,
Speaker 2: But they specifically one percent spiritual, and William will tell
Speaker 2: you that they're here, they're in our glorus, you know,
Speaker 2: they live on our lands. But they're spiritual in the
Speaker 2: sense that they have a higher purpose. That they're not
Speaker 2: just here as animals. They're here to live alongside humans.
Speaker 2: We're supposed to coexist with them and respect them. Doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that they're run to God they have these supernatural abilities,
Speaker 2: or that they can cloak, or that they're one hundred
Speaker 2: times stronger than us, you know, And that's the stuff
Speaker 2: I've been dissecting for many years now.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I really hope that, I really
Speaker 1: hope William's health is uh, you know, up there, because
Speaker 1: I would love to have him come out to our
Speaker 1: camp out in May.
Speaker 3: So yeah, but I don't plan on him. The last
Speaker 3: time we talked to him. I don't know if you've heard, Daniel,
Speaker 3: but when you had the last check up, well, he
Speaker 3: was telling us that they found another spot.
Speaker 4: Is long I believe?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Oh no, I did not know about that.
Speaker 4: Another cancer?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He's my adopted brother. He adopted me as his little brother,
Speaker 2: so we're family.
Speaker 1: That's all he just say.
Speaker 4: Is right up the road from us. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: I co hosted show with them every Wednesday night.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: I didn't know midnight you do the midnight.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, I sure do ye every other.
Speaker 3: The other day having to know, well, yeah, well we
Speaker 3: got to work, I mean ten o'clock at night here
Speaker 3: and stuff and then two hours of podcast and getting
Speaker 3: up at three that don't work?
Speaker 1: Were one of you in the chatter?
Speaker 2: I remember somebody saying they had to go to bed.
Speaker 4: Well that was me one night. I mean there might
Speaker 4: be others two.
Speaker 2: But okay, so yeah that was you, all right?
Speaker 1: But yeah, see I wouldn't mind joining one though, is
Speaker 1: like the only way I can do it, Like it
Speaker 1: would have to be on a Saturday night now, or
Speaker 1: you know, because I start a new job on Monday,
Speaker 1: so I mean I started at seven am, I get
Speaker 1: off at three pm. But you know again, I have my.
Speaker 2: Own show that I do on Friday nights. So uh
Speaker 2: oh you hit all right?
Speaker 1: Okay, well what time does that start?
Speaker 2: I usually do it about five thirty maybe six thirty
Speaker 2: in the evening, and we go for about an hour
Speaker 2: hour and a half, depending on.
Speaker 1: How long the guests. Say, So that's five o'clock your time, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: so that'd be about to say, yeah, seven in our
Speaker 1: time over here.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, So if you ever belong as a guest, Daniel,
Speaker 2: you're more than welcome.
Speaker 1: Okay. I just to make sure my grandson usual goes
Speaker 1: to bed around eight, so I'll just convinced my parents
Speaker 1: to watch. You're like, hey, I'm going on a show.
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. I'll be in the garage by man.
Speaker 2: If you ever want to schedule it for after he
Speaker 2: goes to bed, I am more than willing and capable
Speaker 2: of doing that. So you just give me the word
Speaker 2: and we'll have it at that time.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean yeah, yeah, I'll figure something out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I said, yeah, as long as I don't have
Speaker 1: to get up early in the morning the next day.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get up early every day we got
Speaker 1: us if I'm working or not because of him, but
Speaker 1: school of the morning.
Speaker 2: So I've got a question for you guys, and I
Speaker 2: want to see how you guys honestly feel about this.
Speaker 2: So that it's a popular topic, the Indigenous Bigfoot, But
Speaker 2: do you believe that the Indigenous people actually had encounters
Speaker 2: with Bigfoot? Or do you think it's all false because
Speaker 2: there's somebody out there who made a video saying that no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: the tribes had nothing to do with Bigfoot. But then
Speaker 2: I spoke to people in Canada from the Turtle Island tribe.
Speaker 2: All right, they're Ojibwe, And when I asked them straight up,
Speaker 2: you know if your people really have encounters with Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: they literally left. They're like, yes, it's called the Kicha Sabe.
Speaker 2: When we talk about our seven grandfather laws, he's in there.
Speaker 2: So we have had encounters with Bigfoot. So whoever says
Speaker 2: that we didn't doesn't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 4: Verbal. It's not just a verbal encounters either.
Speaker 3: From my understanding, are there in the pictographs, stuff like
Speaker 3: gag Ball back in history of depictions of Bigfoot and tribes.
Speaker 4: And stuff like that.
Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, Ye, I've seen so much stuff
Speaker 3: on the TV.
Speaker 4: And the internet.
Speaker 3: Looking at the stuff sometimes they sometimes all gets intermixed.
Speaker 2: Yeah it does. What about you, Well, I believe they
Speaker 2: really do see them.
Speaker 7: I believe they see them in the woods. That's why
Speaker 7: the woods is so spiritual to them. Yes, William is
Speaker 7: very spiritual in regards to the woods. I mean, it's
Speaker 7: very sacred area for him, and he honestly believes that,
Speaker 7: you know, he has grown up seeing Bigfoot. I believe
Speaker 7: he's also said that he that his tribe thinks that
Speaker 7: Bigfoot is also has the skin walker capabilities and the
Speaker 7: interdimensional traveling.
Speaker 3: Well, he's bringing up different aspects of that, but he
Speaker 3: does tell a story about uh uh, his people will
Speaker 3: go to people you know a lot. A long time ago,
Speaker 3: I actually had physical encounters death in.
Speaker 4: The tribe of the Native American boy. What's that that cha?
Speaker 2: That's what call him?
Speaker 4: Yeah? And uh.
Speaker 3: And then after that accidental death of a uh, the
Speaker 3: Native American boy, Uh, the interaction ceased after that, And
Speaker 3: as William tells, it's because I guess the uh, the
Speaker 3: Bigfoot tribe or whatever you want to call him at
Speaker 3: that time, felt bad about it and way stuff like that,
Speaker 3: since there was that involved that they broke away from that,
Speaker 3: the physical type of contact. Yes, William would have to
Speaker 3: elaborate more on that for more detail, but I do
Speaker 3: remember telling that story several times when he had his
Speaker 3: podcasts and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, so you know, almost every North American, just
Speaker 1: just in North America alone, not not to mention other
Speaker 1: cultures and countries, but in almost every North American legend
Speaker 1: of Native American legend, there tends to be some type
Speaker 1: of legend of folklore relating or contributed to Bigfoot or sasquatched. Now,
Speaker 1: would that being said, once I learned of on my
Speaker 1: father's side of the family, from my father's father side
Speaker 1: of the family, uh, or you know the Canadian French
Speaker 1: the Benois family. Yeah, my dad's side of the family. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, we have what you call there's two different
Speaker 1: two different tribes that uh. One is known as the Knickknack,
Speaker 1: which they originally uh they originally were based out of
Speaker 1: Nova Scotia, came down later, I mean sometimes it came
Speaker 1: settled into other parts of Canada and then settled in
Speaker 1: Their last remanding settlement was in parts of Maine.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Once that was the first one I learned about, you know. Uh,
Speaker 1: And before I learned about that, we had Airqois in
Speaker 1: the bloodline. But the nick back alone from what I've
Speaker 1: researched again, because when I learned about this, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is cool. I want to know, do they have
Speaker 1: the big foot legends? So sure enough, I did some
Speaker 1: research and I did some reading the Mickmack legends they
Speaker 1: have what there was several names and I'm sure a
Speaker 1: lot of you guys are probably familiar with this because
Speaker 1: I've heard other people mention this. But these names were
Speaker 1: mentioned only in north on the northeastern Chores and up
Speaker 1: in Canada. But there was just the name. Eventually you
Speaker 1: got the Googway uh for, And there was other names
Speaker 1: and the legend talks about it was related to a large, giant,
Speaker 1: hairy female that was that used to kidnap children and
Speaker 1: some of the folklore related to cannibalistic harry beings. So,
Speaker 1: you know, so just to make a name of a
Speaker 1: man couple, uh Again, a lot of these, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of folklore tends to originate from something. You know.
Speaker 2: Some blody brought that up though, Daniel, because I kind
Speaker 2: of take issue with people pushing around the name gug
Speaker 2: Wey because the Micmac, the name for the gug we
Speaker 2: originally was kuk Wes. Okay, you said was a tall
Speaker 2: woman that had a basket on her back, similar.
Speaker 1: To the z.
Speaker 2: But my problem is, though, is in there the Micmac traditions,
Speaker 2: they describe her as being taller than the highest pine trees,
Speaker 2: and they say she's always female. So we took the
Speaker 2: name kouk Wes and we kind of americanized it a bit,
Speaker 2: I guess we it's Anglo Saxon now and it's gug Wey.
Speaker 2: But are we really following the actual depiction that the
Speaker 2: mcmac you use when we see these things, or.
Speaker 1: Do we just take the name?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: Because for the modern day people, the Guguy are the
Speaker 2: mandrel or baboon faced bigfoot that are really aggressive. They're
Speaker 2: known to kill people. But that doesn't line up with
Speaker 2: the nick mca believe right exactly?
Speaker 1: Uh, there were there were other names used. I can't
Speaker 1: think of him right off the top of my head.
Speaker 1: I have all this I've done studies on all this,
Speaker 1: but it's been a long time since I've really looked
Speaker 1: into it and brought it up. But there are other
Speaker 1: names besides the boog Googway is the one I can
Speaker 1: remember the most, but there are other right, well, air
Speaker 1: Quois with the other one that I learned about later,
Speaker 1: But the nick Mac is the one. When I looked
Speaker 1: into the folklore of their big boot legend of folklore,
Speaker 1: Googleway was one of the names I recall reading.
Speaker 2: So yes, well, the Iqois. The name for bigfoot from
Speaker 2: the Iroquois is Jenoskua.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, the genska the stone giant, right, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and yes, come on from that.
Speaker 2: That didn't come just from the Native Americans. There was
Speaker 2: a father and son duo that came from England. They
Speaker 2: wanted to go on a hunting trip in Canada, so
Speaker 2: they hired an Iroquois hunting guide who took them to
Speaker 2: a very good spot where they could kill deer, moose, bear.
Speaker 2: But there was an island outside of that area that
Speaker 2: he took him to, and he told him, whatever you do,
Speaker 2: don't go there. That's the genosquad's domain. Don't ever know.
Speaker 2: And so you know, they they pretended they were going
Speaker 2: to listen to him, and one early morning, the son
Speaker 2: got a wild hair crosses butt and started rowing the
Speaker 2: canoe over to that island. And they caught him too late,
Speaker 2: so they're telling him, come back, come back, don't go there.
Speaker 2: Genosqua's there, and he just kept going anyway. So he
Speaker 2: made landfall and he made his way up this hill.
Speaker 2: Within maybe like five minutes, they saw him running down
Speaker 2: a Genosqua was chasing after him. He caught the kid
Speaker 2: and he actually ripped him in half, right in front
Speaker 2: of the father and the hunting guy. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: that's why they say don't mess with genos squad.
Speaker 1: Wow. And that story there when you that was based
Speaker 1: off of a true event.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it happened in eighteen seventy nine. Whither actually wrote
Speaker 2: it down in his diary.
Speaker 1: M wow, mm hmm wow. Just out of curiosity, I've
Speaker 1: done some research on the oldest what's the oldest Bigfoot
Speaker 1: type legends of stories that you are familiar with? Well
Speaker 1: before before we get into that, I mean, well kind of, well,
Speaker 1: what's your take, Like, I don't know if Melissa and
Speaker 1: David bread it into this. I mean, there's limited information
Speaker 1: on this, But I've done some research. When I learned
Speaker 1: about leif ericson from nine hundred I believe it was
Speaker 1: eighty nine and eighty six AD. Yeah, only here on
Speaker 1: the shores of North America. They claim to have seen
Speaker 1: these large, savage and looking harry smelly creatures. I mean,
Speaker 1: what's your take on that. Are you familiar with that?
Speaker 1: Or yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean I've heard the story of Genghis Khan.
Speaker 2: Did you ever hear about him when he was trying
Speaker 2: to do his little conquering trip how when he hit
Speaker 2: theas he and his Oh I'm not familiar with that, okay.
Speaker 2: So what Genghis Khan said is that they were having
Speaker 2: a successful campaign, that they were conquering people before them.
Speaker 2: They got to the Himalayas and they had to turn
Speaker 2: back because there was giant ape men that were killing
Speaker 2: their horses and killing the men, and so Genghis Khan
Speaker 2: actually issued a retreat because they couldn't conquer these ape men.
Speaker 2: Now that sounds like the Yetti, which would be parallel
Speaker 2: with Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: I would say, so, yeah, I mean yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it was back in the early one. Ah man what's
Speaker 1: his name? Who? Who was the gentleman who who organized
Speaker 1: the expeditions for the Yeti that was back in the
Speaker 1: early nineteen forties and fifties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot his name, but yeah, I mean even
Speaker 2: today that I have, those footprints haven't been solved. You know,
Speaker 2: nobody knows where they came.
Speaker 1: From, right And there's been several documentaries based off the
Speaker 1: whole Yeti situation even till these days. But yeah, there's
Speaker 1: only right now. All they could really come up with
Speaker 1: right now is other stories when they meet with the
Speaker 1: locals up there that are willing to speak.
Speaker 2: I've never got the whole thing though, where they say
Speaker 2: that Yeti is nothing more than a bear. They're not
Speaker 2: even looking at the name Yetti to see what it
Speaker 2: translates to. When you actually look the translation of Yeti,
Speaker 2: it means that thing. Now, the natives, the locals there,
Speaker 2: they're going to know a bear from anything else. They're
Speaker 2: not going to call a bear that thing. They're gonna say, oh,
Speaker 2: take a bear. So if there's something out there that
Speaker 2: they're calling the yetti which means that thing, it's something
Speaker 2: outside of a bear. Okay, people, Oh the Yeti is
Speaker 2: nothing more than a bear.
Speaker 1: I have to scoff yeah. Yeah, Now, there was a
Speaker 1: rare species of bear that existed up in the mountains,
Speaker 1: which was a flat faced bear that was at one
Speaker 1: time used to be extinct. But yeah, they have they
Speaker 1: have shared that there was evidence of it. It's still
Speaker 1: existing off of DNA and whatnot. But you know, so
Speaker 1: that's a whole different story in itself. But yeah, those
Speaker 1: I don't see from basically what they came up with
Speaker 1: the yetty tracks in the snow. I don't see that
Speaker 1: being of a mayor. Yeah, I mean sometimes.
Speaker 2: There's some kind of misconcept with the yetti as well,
Speaker 2: because everybody thinks it's a white bigfoot, but the yetti
Speaker 2: was never described as having white hair. It was always
Speaker 2: described as dark brown, red or even black.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: The yetty, the white yetty thing didn't come about until
Speaker 2: Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer, that animation, the puppet animation,
Speaker 2: Yeavy show white popularize. It's not because he really is
Speaker 2: a white fur bigfoot, because that's how he was in
Speaker 2: that show, and people just that's how. But no, same
Speaker 2: colors that we see a bigfoot here is what they
Speaker 2: see with the Yeti over in the Himalayans.
Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, yeah, good, old bumble. What was the name Bumbles? Yeah? Yeah, Ron,
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Well, Ron, I got a question for you right quick.
Speaker 3: That's a skin of the walker research. Is there any
Speaker 3: one type investigation that you've done that really sticks to
Speaker 3: your mind, that just drives the home to why you're doing.
Speaker 4: What you're doing.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: So one time I took a friend of mine and
Speaker 2: he's a skeptic about everything. Okay, he doesn't believe in
Speaker 2: goes cufos anything like that. So when I told him
Speaker 2: I'm going to go look into a e auchi, he
Speaker 2: was kind of having a laugh, you know. But on
Speaker 2: the way to this place that we were going, I
Speaker 2: told him, whatever you do, be respectful, Okay, don't make
Speaker 2: fun of the belief in the aluchi, don't mock it,
Speaker 2: don't say anything that's to be offensive. So he agreed, right, But,
Speaker 2: being a typical smart ass that he is, we get
Speaker 2: to this place and he starts saying skinwaks are bs,
Speaker 2: their crap, they're not real. Well, that night we started
Speaker 2: hearing this old woman calling our names. So here I
Speaker 2: am out in the dark and I hear a woman
Speaker 2: going Ryan this way.
Speaker 1: Ryan.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm looking around. There's no one in sight,
Speaker 2: I can't see anybody. Then we hear someone calling his name,
Speaker 2: you know, so right there, I was like, see.
Speaker 1: What you did? You offended?
Speaker 4: What's happening?
Speaker 2: So that night I told him, don't you ever do
Speaker 2: that again. Don't you ever ever go on Navajo land
Speaker 2: and disrespect this kind of stuff, because who knows what
Speaker 2: that thing was going to do to us, you know.
Speaker 2: And so I told a Navajole friend of mine. I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, you know, we were out there looking
Speaker 2: into you know where he suggested we go. I heard
Speaker 2: an old woman calling my name and he looked at me,
Speaker 2: deading the eyes. Daniel, He goes, Ryan, there is no
Speaker 2: woman out there. It was just you and your friend.
Speaker 2: At first what you heard wasn't just a woman, that
Speaker 2: was a you know, to do she calling your name?
Speaker 4: Hm?
Speaker 1: Hm? You know by that name you're mentioned, is that
Speaker 1: what you would refer to as skinwalker?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You not a lucchi In the Navajo language, that's
Speaker 2: what they call the skinwalkers. And the name you not
Speaker 2: a lui translated into English means by means of it
Speaker 2: on all fours. He goes, Okay, they call him that
Speaker 2: because they'll don the pelt of like a coyote or
Speaker 2: a bear or a mountain lion, and they'll assume the
Speaker 2: shape of these animals. So when they say, you know,
Speaker 2: you're not a lushi, it does translate to by means
Speaker 2: of it, on all fours, he goes. Skinwalker kind of
Speaker 2: came from. I can't really pinpoint where that term began.
Speaker 2: I think it kind of started with the reptilians, the aliens,
Speaker 2: and maybe even shows like v kind of started the
Speaker 2: whole popular skinwalker terminology. But the Navajo referred to them
Speaker 2: as yan.
Speaker 1: A DOUCHI mmm, very interesting.
Speaker 2: It's a scary topic. I know a lot of people think, no,
Speaker 2: it's not possible, they can't exist, and believe me. At first,
Speaker 2: before I really got into it, I would share that
Speaker 2: sentiment and say, yeah, no, it's just it's made up.
Speaker 2: It's a horror story. But after seeing the things I've done,
Speaker 2: and you know, speaking to the people I've spoken to,
Speaker 2: my whole outlook was changed entirely. I do believe the
Speaker 2: e not a lushi are a real thing, and there's
Speaker 2: something you have to be very careful.
Speaker 3: Of, right, is the skinwalker. I thought about this a
Speaker 3: while back watching some of these programs. Is it primarily
Speaker 3: certain Native tribes are associated with it, or it's pretty
Speaker 3: much across the board with any Native American tribe.
Speaker 2: Mostly it's the Navajo the Dn'te that have that. So
Speaker 2: you do have branch offs of the Dnee tribe and
Speaker 2: they all have their own different beliefs in their own
Speaker 2: version of the Alushi. But it changes, you know, like
Speaker 2: for each tribe it's different. Like a Cherokee have what's
Speaker 2: known as the raven macker and that's their form of
Speaker 2: a skin walker.
Speaker 4: Gotcha. Okay, hmm.
Speaker 3: Interesting see the Similars out there with a big threat
Speaker 3: and the skins, and you've.
Speaker 4: Got history and different tribes and cultures and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yes, in my mind, something has to be there or
Speaker 3: have been there for any of this to take shape,
Speaker 3: because I can't see that all these boys just manifesting
Speaker 3: out of nowhere. And yet you've got tried to really
Speaker 3: go intermingle and white man or whatever this stuff as
Speaker 3: far as then you got the people over in India
Speaker 3: and places like that. I mean to me, something has
Speaker 3: to be there. I'm not gonna run full more and
Speaker 3: leave everything I see.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I agree with you.
Speaker 4: And it gets back into research.
Speaker 3: Eliminate all possibilities before evening to try to come up
Speaker 3: with any kind of truth, right, I think something from
Speaker 3: my experience, it's a little bit of paranormal growing up
Speaker 3: and everything over yours. It's filling to get into right now.
Speaker 3: But that's got me semented and wanting to do this more.
Speaker 3: And then of course we had to meet Daniel about
Speaker 3: five years ago, and.
Speaker 2: You know, I know it's it's a hard pill to
Speaker 2: swallow when you talk about shape shifting humans and everything
Speaker 2: like that. But when I learned the history of why
Speaker 2: they eating ow a doushet came about and how they
Speaker 2: were once you know, a good thing, but then they
Speaker 2: went bad. That's when it kind of solidified my belief that, okay,
Speaker 2: there were people that were sep shifting, you know, because
Speaker 2: the Denayed people, the Navajo, they believe that their creator
Speaker 2: gave them the ability of shape shift as a gift. Okay,
Speaker 2: it was a way for their medicine men to get
Speaker 2: to the sick and the dying quicker, you know, because
Speaker 2: when you're walking on two feet and you got to
Speaker 2: go a great distance, you may not make it in time.
Speaker 2: So their creator said, here, use this gift. You can
Speaker 2: turn into a bird. You can turn into this so
Speaker 2: you can get to where you need to be faster
Speaker 2: to help those in need, you know. So that's how
Speaker 2: it began with the skin walkers. But then the Spaniards
Speaker 2: invaded and they tried to take over the lands from
Speaker 2: the Navajo, and they were you know, they were killing
Speaker 2: them off. And of course, as with any gift, there's
Speaker 2: people that go bad with it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's I kind of compare it to the Jedi in
Speaker 2: the Sith. You know, you have all these abilities, but
Speaker 2: then there's always people that want to use them for
Speaker 2: Soelfish reasons. And so these medicine men started realizing, well,
Speaker 2: we can use this gift to battle people, we can
Speaker 2: use it to hurt people. And the other medicine men
Speaker 2: were saying, no, no, no, no, don't do that. It's
Speaker 2: a gift from our creator. They did it anyway, So
Speaker 2: being a shape shifter became a bad thing. It became
Speaker 2: very taboo, and they gave them the name he Alushi
Speaker 2: and they exiled them from their tribe. So if you're
Speaker 2: someone who's practicing the black medicine, the dark medicine, they
Speaker 2: didn't want anything to do with you. You're forbidden. Your
Speaker 2: taboo you know. So when he told me the history
Speaker 2: of this stuff, that's when I was like, well, if
Speaker 2: they have a history like this where it's that intense,
Speaker 2: where it was used against Spaniards and the settlers that
Speaker 2: came in, then there's something to it.
Speaker 3: I had no idea of that aspect. What you just
Speaker 3: brought up as started with the medicine man to do
Speaker 3: good and stuff like that. I had no knowledge to that.
Speaker 4: You just said it. Yeah, I thought I was away
Speaker 4: something bad.
Speaker 3: For my understand if what I've seen it picked up,
Speaker 3: I thought it was always just a bad uh skin
Speaker 3: walk or spirit out there just doing bad things.
Speaker 2: So that's what that's what they start out as. Is
Speaker 2: there actually a medicine man or a medicine woman that
Speaker 2: for some reason decides to go into the dark arts.
Speaker 2: Instead of practicing the blessing way, they go into the
Speaker 2: darker terrain where it's like, you know, oh, I can
Speaker 2: use it to gate miss, I can do that. So
Speaker 2: they practice the forbidden medicine is what would be considered,
Speaker 2: and that's how they become the naushi. They sacrifice a
Speaker 2: loved one. It has to be someone that they love
Speaker 2: very much, a wife, a husband, a child. They take
Speaker 2: them out into the dark up night, and they murder
Speaker 2: them violently. And once they murder them, that's a pact
Speaker 2: with whatever dark arts they're they're trying to practice. So
Speaker 2: that's their devotion, is a blood out pretty much.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Interesting, So I do believe in it.
Speaker 2: I know it's way out there and it sounds like
Speaker 2: an episode of the Twilight Zoner of the X Files.
Speaker 2: But hey, I'm like Foxmoulder. I'm going to look into it.
Speaker 2: You know, if you tell me something's out there, give
Speaker 2: me a shovel, I'll go dig for it. May not
Speaker 2: even I don't know, but.
Speaker 1: There you go, Brian, I got to quick question before.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of other things I want to jump
Speaker 1: into before we search gears, but quick question cut off
Speaker 1: a topic. Do you travel at all?
Speaker 2: I'm not right now. Right now, my current financial situation
Speaker 2: kind of leaves me just going to places in Arizona.
Speaker 2: But once I get on my feet again, I work
Speaker 2: to it spam.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, Well, well that being said, hopefully things work out.
Speaker 1: I'll be in touch with you and regards the further
Speaker 1: discussions on what I want to talk to you about.
Speaker 1: Start saving for next year.
Speaker 2: I can do that I can definitely do that.
Speaker 1: Okay, good deal. Good deal. So well, here's the question
Speaker 1: for both. Well, actually, I'm going to ask this question
Speaker 1: and we'll get into this afterwards. Before I ask this
Speaker 1: next question, are you familiar with the show Expedition Bigfoot? Yes? Okay,
Speaker 1: good deal. David Wlisten. Have you guys been following Expedition Bigfoot?
Speaker 4: Ye? I have just seen a little episode with here
Speaker 4: the other day dB recorded.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I've been following it. I'm actually the way
Speaker 1: my thing's been recording for some reason. I'm actually I
Speaker 1: think people are already on episode six I don't know,
Speaker 1: or four or five of the new series. I don't know.
Speaker 1: My I got a Discovery Channel, but I haven't recorded.
Speaker 1: I have yet to watch the first episode. So but
Speaker 1: with that being said, we're going to get into that
Speaker 1: very very shortly. But I wanted to ask Ryan, what
Speaker 1: would be the most extreme claim that you've heard of
Speaker 1: that you have a hard time believing or accepting.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this has nothing to do with Bigfoot. But
Speaker 2: I had a lady who for about four weeks s
Speaker 2: great and that's no exaggeration. Four weeks a total month.
Speaker 2: She would call me every day on Facebook to try
Speaker 2: to convince me that she had a friendly wind to
Speaker 2: Go that would come down from the mountains to share
Speaker 2: breakfast with her. Okay, some newbie to some new guy
Speaker 2: that never heard of the wind to Go before, he
Speaker 2: might think, oh great, this is awesome. I'm known as
Speaker 2: the windy Go guy. Okay, I've been studying the wind
Speaker 2: to Go for years. So I'm sitting there telling her, going, girl,
Speaker 2: the windy Go is not a positive thing. It's not friendly.
Speaker 2: If you're experiencing a wind to Go, you're in danger.
Speaker 2: You need to run away. They're not gonna come down
Speaker 2: be like, oh, can we have a spat tea and
Speaker 2: a crumpet for breakfast?
Speaker 1: They're not gonna, right Dan.
Speaker 2: It was driving me nuts because I asked her, well,
Speaker 2: do you have cannibalism in your nick of the woods,
Speaker 2: because if you do, you should probably move. That's not
Speaker 2: a good thing.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: No, this windy Go is a water spirit that you know,
Speaker 2: decided to summon itself to come visit me. And I'm going,
Speaker 2: oh God, you're giving me. Next says you're in Migraine.
Speaker 1: Wow, a water spirit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you know anything about the windy
Speaker 2: Go Daniel, you're gonna sit there and go really you
Speaker 2: have a friendly window that comes to share breakfast with you.
Speaker 1: An I know some yeah, I know some basics, and
Speaker 1: I watched movies based off of what the indigo is is.
Speaker 1: But it's like, yeah, there's water spirit about that whole topic.
Speaker 2: Right, So you want to explain the Wind to Go
Speaker 2: a little bit?
Speaker 1: Oh feel free?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Okay, So what the Wind to Go is isn't algonquin
Speaker 2: create oh hip way belief. It's a spiritual entity that,
Speaker 2: say a man or a woman commit cannibalism. It's the
Speaker 2: most taboo act one can commit. This spirit will possess
Speaker 2: them and it strips away their humanity and it turns
Speaker 2: them into this creature where they're constantly starving for human flesh.
Speaker 2: They're so hard they chew away their own lips, they
Speaker 2: chew away their fingertips, and no matter how much they eat,
Speaker 2: they're constantly hungry. They're starving for the human and the
Speaker 2: more they eat, the bigger the Wind to Go gets. So,
Speaker 2: you know, for this thing to be quote unquote friendly,
Speaker 2: I'm going here right.
Speaker 1: Wow, the one movie I recall watching regarding the Wind
Speaker 1: to Go, I know there's other movies out there, but
Speaker 1: the one, if I'm I'm not mistaken, I think it
Speaker 1: was called Antlers. Yes, yeah, okay, so you know what
Speaker 1: the movie I'm talking about, Wait, that's When to Go.
Speaker 1: I'm on it. Yeah, so that movie there, I recall
Speaker 1: washing the whole thing. It was pretty freakish.
Speaker 2: Now documentation though, you know, people say that there's never
Speaker 2: been any reported encounters of the wind to Go, and
Speaker 2: that's not true. In the winter of eighteen seventy nine,
Speaker 2: there was a prefur trader by the name of swift Runner. Okay.
Speaker 2: He took his wife, his mother in law, and his
Speaker 2: four kids along the hunting route that he's been through
Speaker 2: many times. This is what was his cabin. He's been
Speaker 2: along this route numerous times through the years. He took
Speaker 2: them there one year and then he came back to
Speaker 2: Fort Saskatchewan. He was talking about how they were starving
Speaker 2: and there was no food, no game, and so he
Speaker 2: had to kill his family. He had to eat his family,
Speaker 2: and when the magistrates forced him to take them back
Speaker 2: to his cabin, he showed him a grizzly sight. Daniel
Speaker 2: is disgusting. There was smears of fat all along the
Speaker 2: walls and on the doors, along the trees. There was
Speaker 2: intestines boiling in a pot. There was human flesh cooking
Speaker 2: on a fire. There was skeletons everywhere. The femurs were
Speaker 2: cracked open where he had to suck out the marrow.
Speaker 2: And he actually just nottly would bend down, pick a
Speaker 2: skeleton up by its eye sockets between two fingers. He'd
Speaker 2: waggle the skull and he'd be like, this was my wife,
Speaker 2: and they'd throw that one aside. He picked up another one,
Speaker 2: this was my son, and he just throw it away.
Speaker 2: When they asked him why did you do this, he
Speaker 2: told them I am Windigo. So yeah, there is historical
Speaker 2: reports of a wind to Go possessing something.
Speaker 1: Wow mm hm no. Well, with all being said, like
Speaker 1: I said, the movie was called Antlers. But I've recently
Speaker 1: seen a post where somebody was talking about the true
Speaker 1: legend of Windogo. Maybe I'm thinking about something. Maybe I'm
Speaker 1: getting this mixed up. The Windo Goo is claimed to
Speaker 1: have not does not have antlers. I mean, what's your description,
Speaker 1: what's your knowledge on that?
Speaker 2: So the thing comes from Algernon Blackwood's book The Wind
Speaker 2: to Go. There was an artist that was trying to
Speaker 2: kind of relay in a comic book form, and he
Speaker 2: saw the branches because in the book Algernon depicts it
Speaker 2: as a human being that was wearing forest debris as camouflage. Oh,
Speaker 2: this artist misinterpreted it and he gave it antlers. And
Speaker 2: then what happened too. People confuse the Wind to Go
Speaker 2: with the Wachowga and hern the hunter. So they gave
Speaker 2: it that deer head, they gave it the antlers, they
Speaker 2: gave it fur, they gave it tails, four legs. That's
Speaker 2: not how the Wind to Go look. Okay, A Wind
Speaker 2: to Go looks like an emaciated human being. That's pretty
Speaker 2: much bald. Okay, skinny is white, white, white, super pale.
Speaker 2: They usually have sunken yellow eyes. They have chewed away lips,
Speaker 2: chewed away fingertips. There's really no semblance of humanity in
Speaker 2: them anymore. They act very animal like. So that's the
Speaker 2: real depiction of the Wind to Go.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, yeah, because I mean, are you seeing anyone
Speaker 1: who seen the movie Antlers? That was a pretty freakish movie.
Speaker 1: But you know when the kid was protecting his father and.
Speaker 2: They were so close, when it was just the dad
Speaker 2: and he was looking so you know, demonic in a sense,
Speaker 2: how he had the veins going across his body and
Speaker 2: his face had changed. That was an accurate representation of
Speaker 2: the wind to Go. When they had him change into
Speaker 2: that antler form, That's when I was like, no, why
Speaker 2: did you do this? You were so accurate until that point.
Speaker 1: Why would you do that? Yeah? What that means said,
Speaker 1: I think that had a lot to do with the
Speaker 1: entertainment industry was you know, whoever produced that movie is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got to make this look like, hey, what we
Speaker 1: come up with? I get it.
Speaker 2: But the most accurate representation I've ever seen in any
Speaker 2: kind of media is that video game Until Dawn. If
Speaker 2: you look at screenshots of that video game, how they
Speaker 2: portrayed the wind to Go in that video game is
Speaker 2: spot on accurate. That's how the Algonquins, the Creed, the Ojibwey,
Speaker 2: all of them describe it just like that.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, I can't say I've ever you said
Speaker 1: that was a video game. Yeah, yep, oh okay, I
Speaker 1: haven't played video games and spend quite some time, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I hadn't. I'm not familiar with that. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: good story.
Speaker 2: And actually, you know it does have its foundations in
Speaker 2: the Original War. That's why I love that game so much,
Speaker 2: because it's about two sisters that have an accident. They
Speaker 2: fall off a cliff, and their friends think that they
Speaker 2: died falling off the cliff. Well what happened is they
Speaker 2: actually fell down into a mine. One of the sisters
Speaker 2: lived after falling off this cliff. The other sister died.
Speaker 2: So the sister that lived had to cannibalize her sister
Speaker 2: and that's how she came the win again.
Speaker 1: Right, So it was interacting. Yeah, okay, so all right,
Speaker 1: very good. So yeah, I want to I'm glad you
Speaker 1: shared that with us. That's very interesting information. So I
Speaker 1: want to switch hears. The reason before I ask that
Speaker 1: I was talking about I want to make sure you
Speaker 1: guys are familiar with Expedition Big Quick mm hm. So
Speaker 1: you know I've been following it, you know, because you know,
Speaker 1: just like you know, even when Finding Bigfoot was up
Speaker 1: and running that I was watching every episode and you.
Speaker 4: Know it was what it was.
Speaker 1: And uh, Expedition Big Quick, what's your what's your take
Speaker 1: on Expedition Big Quick? Because you know, really I'm asking
Speaker 1: because they they claim to show all what they showed
Speaker 1: and I I had my opinion, and I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I'll share my take on this, But what's your take
Speaker 1: on Expedition big Quick?
Speaker 2: Oh boy? So I like it because it's bringing awareness
Speaker 2: of the topic to the public, to the masses. But
Speaker 2: I think they're playing up on, you know, the stereotypes
Speaker 2: of what cryptozoology is. And I think people need to
Speaker 2: realize they're not going to find big on a TV show.
Speaker 2: It's about rating. It's not about anything truthful. It's not
Speaker 2: about presenting evidence that's real to the pubble like spoke
Speaker 2: you getting your view. That's all it's about, you know.
Speaker 2: So that's good way, but bad in a way too.
Speaker 2: It's doing a lot of disservice to what researchers like
Speaker 2: you and me and David and Melissa do.
Speaker 3: Right. Well, one thing, Well, I'll watch it basically for entertainment.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I do know sometimes hopefully some of the stuff they show,
Speaker 3: like some of the tracks of stuff, it's actual footage
Speaker 3: from when they're out in the field. But when you've
Speaker 3: got TV crews out there running around, they're running around
Speaker 3: with flash flights at nighttime. Uh yeah, that's ratings, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, of course, they're going to play it up
Speaker 3: a little bit. But they're also setting a bed light
Speaker 3: in some ways too, because for those that are thinking
Speaker 3: about getting into it, you don't need them out there
Speaker 3: running around in the woods at nighttime with flashlights and
Speaker 3: towards every sailing because if they would have an encounter,
Speaker 3: could you provoke it?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Are they gonna stand there wait on you to catch
Speaker 4: up with them? People?
Speaker 3: They need to ratualize doing this. A lot of it's
Speaker 3: just for entertainment. I mean I like watching the show.
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong. You good ideas too. You know,
Speaker 3: they might do something on the show that you can
Speaker 3: incorporate in your investigation if you have that capability.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it goes for me, It goes both ways.
Speaker 3: They don't approach it right because I've always to my
Speaker 3: two careers, I've always been trained and trained people. You
Speaker 3: never run into a situation, Never ever run into a situation, right,
Speaker 3: Bad things can happen from that exactly.
Speaker 2: So you're telling me if I hear big howl, I
Speaker 2: shouldn't run towards it like a typical horror movie idiot,
Speaker 2: and do that.
Speaker 4: What's it? What's another program? Mountain must Mountain, Mountain monsters.
Speaker 4: Mountain monsters out the right amount. Yeah, tell me those
Speaker 4: gun they're loaded and they're out there driving around and
Speaker 4: running around in the woods. Come on, it's entertainment.
Speaker 2: There's one thing I like about mountain monsters, though they
Speaker 2: do bring up the more obscure stuff. You know, if
Speaker 2: it weren't for them, people we didn't really know about,
Speaker 2: like the brabing Mocker because when I brought it up,
Speaker 2: people were like, hunh what rabon mocker?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: And then they're like, oh, we I heard about this
Speaker 2: on mountain Monsters. I'm like, yeah, you did.
Speaker 1: Now let me tell you.
Speaker 4: Also double ed sword on that.
Speaker 3: Because you got people that don't get out in the woods,
Speaker 3: or they barely even leave the cot what I call
Speaker 3: the concrete jungle, and they're watching programs like this, and
Speaker 3: when they encounter real people to go out and do research,
Speaker 3: they've already established this bias thinking that these people may
Speaker 3: be what they're watching on TV. You know, a correlation
Speaker 3: between the two, right, Yeah, that's no way I look
Speaker 3: at it too. I take anything with the brain of
Speaker 3: salt when encounter people and stuff. But when I have
Speaker 3: When we first got it started with Daniel four or
Speaker 3: five years ago we posted on Facebook.
Speaker 4: I mean, I believe we've always had this interest.
Speaker 3: It's nothing new as far as that bearing normal to
Speaker 3: Bigfoot and everything else from the practic experiences.
Speaker 4: But I know how the big Foot in counter as
Speaker 4: far as I've always grown up and interested in that
Speaker 4: kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: But when you post on social media just to say
Speaker 3: what to them me getting involved with and when you
Speaker 3: get two responses by private message they didn't want to
Speaker 3: post on the general chat part, to me, that leads
Speaker 3: leads into more credence about people actually saying something they
Speaker 3: could not understand or explain. Yes, right, and they wanted
Speaker 3: to keep it on the download if that's the right
Speaker 3: terminology for that, to where they want to still keep
Speaker 3: a private but they want to share their experience.
Speaker 4: And that opened my eyes a little bit too. Of course,
Speaker 4: we had got to.
Speaker 3: Run around Daniel and learned a lot from him and
Speaker 3: stuff out there and what he's doing. Every time you
Speaker 3: turn around and buy something, I got to buy it too,
Speaker 3: And I have to.
Speaker 4: Thank you Daniel. You started this.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why that's why I posted that funny meme
Speaker 1: the other earlier. Today it's like yeah, it's like yeah,
Speaker 1: people think I'm rich to see my big foot research.
Speaker 4: I've seen that I'm here.
Speaker 1: That's only because I'm not rich. I'm irresponsible.
Speaker 3: Going to camp and stuff like that. Camaraderie, so I mean,
Speaker 3: it's multi faster for us getting out with Daniel and
Speaker 3: meeting new people. The other is part of the team
Speaker 3: camp enjoy each other's company and stuff like that, have
Speaker 3: fun at the same time, and you go out and
Speaker 3: do some research, and it's just multi fasted for us
Speaker 3: to be able to get out and do stuff like that.
Speaker 3: That's another element to get out and enjoy life.
Speaker 4: A little bit.
Speaker 3: I mean, we've already come across things really couldn't explain
Speaker 3: sometimes sales and stuff like that, doing that time recordings.
Speaker 3: And then at one structure of the last camp out
Speaker 3: we did, Daniel took me on the back side of
Speaker 3: the campsite that we were at, and the one we
Speaker 3: can't explain. Who would build this little bit of structure.
Speaker 3: It's too low for a hunter. It did not look
Speaker 3: like a hunter's blind. But all these leaves and were
Speaker 3: laying branches are playing in one line facing in the
Speaker 3: same direction. Wow, right, and uh, but this one thing
Speaker 3: we did not look at at least I didn't think
Speaker 3: about that.
Speaker 4: After the fact, is.
Speaker 3: All of those it's like the top of a canopy,
Speaker 3: is what it was real low to the ground. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it was really big enough to even put
Speaker 3: a deer into. I was trying to have a deer
Speaker 3: if they shot it. I mean, somebody would be that
Speaker 3: glabor building something like that, elaborate to be able to
Speaker 3: do something like that. But I did not look at
Speaker 3: the end of those branches that was laid side by side,
Speaker 3: straight lines to see if they were cut or broken.
Speaker 4: Did you look at them down? Oh?
Speaker 1: No, you can look at the video because I mean
Speaker 1: I I, uh yeah. They were clearly laid there by
Speaker 1: someone or something for what reason we don't know, but
Speaker 1: they they were not cut.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, all right. I don't think to look at
Speaker 4: that aspect of until.
Speaker 3: Too late, cut with a knife or or actually broken,
Speaker 3: you know, like broken like a twig and then all
Speaker 3: going in the same direction.
Speaker 2: But interesting, I feel like structures are often misinterpreted too.
Speaker 2: You know, everybody thinks, oh, it's a structure, it's automatically
Speaker 2: big foot. But it's like make these things too though,
Speaker 2: you know, you have to look at the branches and
Speaker 2: the sticks it's made of. Were they cut clean or
Speaker 2: were they snapped off? If it's cut, it's probably not bigfoot.
Speaker 4: Well it was done by intelligence the way these were
Speaker 4: laid obviously.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, I'm just saying that. You know, everybody assumes
Speaker 2: every structure is a big foot, but I've seen similar things,
Speaker 2: so I think we can't just jump to the conclusion
Speaker 2: right away, Oh it's a big foot that made these.
Speaker 2: We have to examine that before we can determine whether
Speaker 2: or not.
Speaker 1: Right. Well, you know a lot of people find these
Speaker 1: these these structures regardless if they were cut or not.
Speaker 1: And most of these structures are not used with cut
Speaker 1: limbs and trees and branches a lot. I see a
Speaker 1: lot of people post this stuff, and I actually, you know,
Speaker 1: being the objective person that I am, I've actually posted
Speaker 1: It's actually on my YouTube channel where I actually did
Speaker 1: a video presentation showing an individual gathering nationally falling timber
Speaker 1: and branches and limbs from the ground to build his
Speaker 1: his lean to structure, and you know, showing that. You know,
Speaker 1: my point was that hey, this stuff was made, you know,
Speaker 1: by a human being, you know these things, because you know,
Speaker 1: we don't. We can't assume Bigfoot made these because you know,
Speaker 1: we're not witnessing Bigfoot making these, right, I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: there's some possibilities and this is maybe they are, but
Speaker 1: we're not there to witness it. Yeah, I would like
Speaker 1: to believe that Bigfoot's making some of these, but you know,
Speaker 1: we can't prove that. But it's always and they tell
Speaker 1: people it's always that possibility. Bigfoot should be our last conclusion,
Speaker 1: you know, yes, yes, I agree, so absolutely.
Speaker 4: Proved.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, so, but yeah, I wanted to back up
Speaker 1: a little bit. Uh you know the reason why I
Speaker 1: wanted to bring up exhibition Bigfoot, which you know, I've
Speaker 1: only brought it up a couple of times on all
Speaker 1: the previous podcasts for those who are watching that show.
Speaker 1: And you know, I myself, I'll admit I love watching it.
Speaker 1: It's very entertaining and and and with that being said,
Speaker 1: that's all it really is. Because people got to understand
Speaker 1: when shows like this come about that it's actually being
Speaker 1: produced by a major network. These are shows to entertain us,
Speaker 1: and and the network is going to do and produce
Speaker 1: and conduct everything to keep the viewers.
Speaker 4: Watching us watching the show, make the money.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah exactly. I mean if they're gonna make money.
Speaker 1: They got to do what's possible. Yeah, I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: they are producing stuff where we're seeing it like okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're examining stuff, and they're producing all this. You know,
Speaker 1: they're using high tech stuff. That's high high dollar stuff.
Speaker 1: The network's paying for this, not the people on their show.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: The other thing is, I don't know if you've guys
Speaker 1: seen any of this, but they if you watch and
Speaker 1: pay attention to another this, they show the thermal images
Speaker 1: of these some of them. Some of the formal details
Speaker 1: that they show is showing human upright figures walking through
Speaker 1: the woods. Uh. There was a daytime video clips that
Speaker 1: I've seen where it actually showed two bipedal creatures in
Speaker 1: the background walking through the woods on one of them.
Speaker 1: So my thing is anyone who's paying attention and captured,
Speaker 1: you know, seeing all this, Okay, this is just showing
Speaker 1: clips and scenes of what was captured. Why Why isn't
Speaker 1: any of this captured or not should to say captain,
Speaker 1: but why is discussed and brought up and made into
Speaker 1: a bigger deal like look at the back, look at
Speaker 1: the passion, even till this day. From nineteen sixty seven,
Speaker 1: passion footage is still a big deal up till this
Speaker 1: very date. That was captured stuff that's on this show.
Speaker 1: Why aren't we talking about it? You know, Why isn't
Speaker 1: it a big deal? Because you know? Yeah, so the
Speaker 1: entertainment is showing what's necessary.
Speaker 2: One of the cast members from one of the shows,
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's Fighting Bigfoot or Expedition Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: but their cast member was an actor. He was in
Speaker 2: Willow Creek Bob got Goldway's film. So it's like, hold on,
Speaker 2: he's an actor. He knows how to act surprise and
Speaker 2: act excited. You guys aren't taking this into consideration.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, look at Bryce. Bryce is a known actor
Speaker 1: on show. He's he's right, okay, okay, I got you, okay,
Speaker 1: ye right, if you're going to Willow Creek.
Speaker 2: He was the star of that movie.
Speaker 1: Wow. I didn't pay attention to that. Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah he was.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And now they got the new guy. Yeah, well Beka,
Speaker 1: this guy, Bico Biker, whatever his name is, he's a
Speaker 1: new addition to the show. Yeah. The only little bit
Speaker 1: of information I know about Bco is that he was
Speaker 1: on the show called Alone. Yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, the other character that was on next to just
Speaker 3: a bigfoot. Since he's on there now.
Speaker 1: Ronnie, oh you're talking about yeah Ronnie. Yeah, Ronnie actually
Speaker 1: left on his own accord. Yeah, he left. He wasn't
Speaker 1: kicked out or nothing. That was his own doing.
Speaker 7: Had something to do with some Daniel Lee Barnett over
Speaker 7: in the UK that when exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is exactly what it was. Fourteen
Speaker 1: year old Daniel Lieber and really nice kid. I've been
Speaker 1: in conversations and discussions with him on and off, and
Speaker 1: actually he reached out to me by a week ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he puts on He just started last year, he started
Speaker 1: his own his own conference out there in the UK,
Speaker 1: and uh, I guess this first one was Okay, it
Speaker 1: was you know, it wasn't going a big turnout, but
Speaker 1: it was. It was, you know, it was still a success. Regardless. However,
Speaker 1: he comes to the United States every so often his father,
Speaker 1: you know him, his father and them, they take vacations
Speaker 1: that they go to Florida every year. Daniel actually reached
Speaker 1: out to me last week or maybe it was a
Speaker 1: week before, but hey, I'm gonna be in the u
Speaker 1: US and blah blah blah, what would you think if
Speaker 1: I could come to your band. Hey, hey, I was like, hey, great,
Speaker 1: that'd be great. You're welcome. But then he started pushing
Speaker 1: himself like he wanted to be a speaker. I said,
Speaker 1: my speakers are already I'm already booked on speakers. Blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. Then he was he was still trying to
Speaker 1: push himself as a speaker. He said, yeah, my feet,
Speaker 1: he says yeah. He said, we can talk about my
Speaker 1: fee and this and that, and then I would have
Speaker 1: to have something for my father. I said, Daniel, he's autistic,
Speaker 1: so I you know, yeah, he's one of those kind
Speaker 1: of people. You need to be direct with him, you know,
Speaker 1: because I don't. I don't care if you're artistic or not.
Speaker 1: I got I got nieces and nephews are autistic. You know.
Speaker 1: I don't look down on them because they're autistic. I
Speaker 1: speak to them like they're normal people. And I don't
Speaker 1: I don't have no, I don't look at them.
Speaker 4: This is me.
Speaker 1: This is just me. Because you're autistic. You're very smart,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I'm going to tell
Speaker 1: you like it is, you know. But I was trying.
Speaker 1: I was trying to be nice, man he wanted to.
Speaker 1: He was trying to push them, push himself in there
Speaker 1: to be one of my speakers. And I said I
Speaker 1: don't have room for you. I said, you come to
Speaker 1: my vent all you want. I said, I can't put
Speaker 1: you on a speaker list, and only for the fact that,
Speaker 1: like I said, if anything, I can put you on
Speaker 1: my Friday I said, I got space on my Friday slot.
Speaker 1: My speakers are mainly scheduled for Saturday. I said, I
Speaker 1: got one or two spots open for Saturday for the
Speaker 1: Friday blah blah blah. But he said yeah. Then he
Speaker 1: kept trying to push himself and he said, yeah, my fee.
Speaker 1: He said, you know, we can talk about my fee later.
Speaker 1: But I said, Daniels, I said I don't have time
Speaker 1: for you. I said, I had a talent straight up.
Speaker 1: You know, a young kid. I get that. I said,
Speaker 1: I deal with a lot of young kids, you know.
Speaker 1: But I know all about autism. I said, I don't
Speaker 1: look at that as a disability of some some situation,
Speaker 1: I said. I told him, I said I don't have
Speaker 1: money for you.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I said, you're not in my budget, said I don't.
Speaker 1: I said, my budgets pushed to the limit already, you know.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I went on to tell him. He finally
Speaker 1: I finally got the point of grass. He's, Oh, I understand,
Speaker 1: I understand. I said, you're welcome to come up if
Speaker 1: you're going to be in the area, come up to
Speaker 1: my event, and it's end you. I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: denying that. It said, I can't pay for nothing. I said,
Speaker 1: I don't have money for lodging, and I don't have
Speaker 1: a fee to cover you or your father. Because that's
Speaker 1: why he was trying to push a fee for him
Speaker 1: and a separate fee for his father. Oh, I don't work.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way. I said, you don't push
Speaker 1: your way in and try to get me to pay something.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not agreeing to you, you know, So
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's basically what he was doing. I said,
Speaker 1: I know people feel bad for him because he's not
Speaker 1: just I don't feel bad for Chester. They're smart, they're
Speaker 1: not idiots, you know. I mean, because I have I
Speaker 1: have Like again, I have a niece and a nephew.
Speaker 1: I'm both autistic. There are different types of autism. One's
Speaker 1: more extreme than the other, but I'm very familiar with
Speaker 1: autism and not how it works. Daniel Leebernard is not stupid.
Speaker 1: He's very smart, you know so.
Speaker 2: But I think it's you know, I think it's very
Speaker 2: wholesome that he's so into cryptosoology.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely, But that that was a big
Speaker 1: deal with what was a gentleman's name we brought about
Speaker 1: from uh the former, Yeah, Ronan le Blanc. I've bet
Speaker 1: he discussions with Ronie LeBlanc. Yeah, he's from Massachusetts and
Speaker 1: he wanted to come down to my event. He was
Speaker 1: he emailed me presenting, Hey, if you know, he was
Speaker 1: thrown out his fees. If I was just a ten
Speaker 1: three thousand dollars, if I speak, it was over five
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. I was a man, that'd be great, But
Speaker 1: I don't have a budget for you, Like I don't.
Speaker 1: I was being honest with him, dude, I was like,
Speaker 1: it would be great to have you. I think you
Speaker 1: would be a great you know, asset that after my event.
Speaker 1: But I was being honest. I said, I don't have
Speaker 1: budgets like these other commercialized events. You know. I said,
Speaker 1: I'm a low budget you know, blah blah blah, I say,
Speaker 1: I would love to have you, but I said, I
Speaker 1: don't have a few. I don't have the money for you.
Speaker 1: You know, Hey, he was clear, he was understanding. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he presented himself. He knew about me. He used to
Speaker 1: be on my Facebook page. But you know what, he
Speaker 1: blocked me because he supposed a lot of ship on
Speaker 1: his page, promoting some bogus bullshit. I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid of He's promoting stuff and putting out
Speaker 1: these images that were clearly BS, and I would use
Speaker 1: to comment under it. He didn't like my comments because
Speaker 1: I would show stuff to prove otherwise, to prove that differently.
Speaker 1: Oh my, Yeah, he didn't like that, so it kind
Speaker 1: of shut me down against him, so he blocked me
Speaker 1: from my comments. I can't do that.
Speaker 2: A lot of the researchers are posting ds and going,
Speaker 2: oh it's real.
Speaker 1: They want the attention, they want the credibility. You're not
Speaker 1: going to get credibility from post bullshit, fake ship all less,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, because but then again, these people, they
Speaker 1: know that a majority of people on Facebook and social
Speaker 1: media are global. I'm gonna believe anything you vote because
Speaker 1: you were on a TV show, excuse me. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but fuck you.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 1: I don't care what show you were on. Doesn't give
Speaker 1: you credibility, you know, you know, I mean that's my opinion.
Speaker 1: You can be a Hollywood movie star, it's not gonna
Speaker 1: give you credibility. I don't. I don't like that.
Speaker 2: But Danny came at me with that one time too,
Speaker 2: telling me, well, I was on a TV show. So
Speaker 2: I told him, well, gaze upon the field which I
Speaker 2: harvest my fucks, and notice it is barren. You didn't
Speaker 2: like that too much? No, who is just now Todd standing?
Speaker 1: Oh? Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I called him a fraud in his comments.
Speaker 2: I was like, you're such a fraud dude.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean you remember it was I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe five a few years ago, five years ago, give
Speaker 1: or take. Wasn't he trying to go to the courts
Speaker 1: and trying to prove bigfo its existence, that he was
Speaker 1: some whatever He have only had some DNA to prove otherwise.
Speaker 1: But didn't want to hear him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so heed he laughed out of court. Though he
Speaker 2: won't tell you that much.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I would love for somebody to
Speaker 1: come out and show something like that. I don't care
Speaker 1: if a Bigfoot got proven to be an addiction species.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of it know that he does exist,
Speaker 1: but to take it to court, I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: I would love for someone. I would love for Bigfoot
Speaker 1: to become known as an existent species for the main reasons.
Speaker 1: But the main reason is to shut people up the
Speaker 1: skeptic you know, you know, just like any other crypti
Speaker 1: that people want to put out there. I mean, too
Speaker 1: many people Bigfoot, the subject to Bigfoot a loan is
Speaker 1: a laughing subject to so many people.
Speaker 2: It shouldn't be, though, Daniel, it really shouldn't be. And
Speaker 2: like I tell, so many people, you laugh at the
Speaker 2: possibility of cryptids like Bigfoot or chupacabra or something along
Speaker 2: those lines. But some known animals that we know these
Speaker 2: day were once considered cryptids. Case in points right, mountain
Speaker 2: girl is, mountain grills were once considered cryptids, the old copy,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, platypus, the panda bear, those were all considered
Speaker 2: cryptids many years ago. And look, Lon and behold, they're
Speaker 2: proven to be real. You can see them in your
Speaker 2: local zoo. So people should lafact at all. The concept
Speaker 2: of cryptids shouldn't be laughable by any means exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean they don't see that's the thing. They don't
Speaker 1: know the history of what we know today, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean back it was back in the forties, nineteen
Speaker 1: fifties people in the United States when they first started
Speaker 1: seeing these, you know, when gorillas or starting seeing Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were quite all these are like large human like
Speaker 1: you're looking creatures. Yep, but yeah, that was you know,
Speaker 1: the history of grill and just grill is alone, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, they were like human creatures.
Speaker 2: I think it's because there's so many stories attached, you know,
Speaker 2: like with the Bigfoot stories and the dog man stories.
Speaker 2: It takes on a very supernatural feel. And that's fine.
Speaker 2: They shouldn't laugh at it, because you know, once upon
Speaker 2: a time there is natives telling the scientists, Oh, there's
Speaker 2: this creature that has fur, has a duck bill, but
Speaker 2: it lays eggs, and they're going, oh, a fur burying
Speaker 2: memmal that lays eggs, and I well, and behold, duck
Speaker 2: built platypus is a real thing. So it's like, see,
Speaker 2: they brought with a supernatural thing too, and it didn't exist,
Speaker 2: and here it is a very very real.
Speaker 1: Thing exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: I mean, no problem you got nowadays is too everything
Speaker 3: is so dag on fast faces last to fifteen years
Speaker 3: that people don't have time to sit back, relax and
Speaker 3: take life for what it is.
Speaker 4: They're too tight etronics or phoned and everything else.
Speaker 3: And if you try to take them out of the norm,
Speaker 3: then they don't want to be taken out of their norm.
Speaker 4: If you take them out of their norm, their life's.
Speaker 3: Gonna be turned upside down and they don't want to
Speaker 3: have the possibility of facing that right right exactly, just
Speaker 3: like the government UFOs now, I mean when they was
Speaker 3: having those congressional hearings stuff pertaining the UFOs.
Speaker 4: Want to be taken out of the norm. I mean
Speaker 4: it was taboo.
Speaker 3: Fifty years ago and Roswell and all that other stuff,
Speaker 3: and now they're talking about it. It's like it's like
Speaker 3: to try to feed information now, is what it's trying.
Speaker 3: So when the day does come to where possibly that's
Speaker 3: going to come to life, where they are real and
Speaker 3: they're here aliens and so on and so forth, and
Speaker 3: maybe people may not panic like they did when Orson
Speaker 3: Wales played his radio show back in the world. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, but I mean people don't want to be
Speaker 3: taken out of the norm. They don't want to get
Speaker 3: off the couch, they don't want to put down that
Speaker 3: bag on phone. They don't go out and enjoy wildlife
Speaker 3: and experience, you know, life what it has to offer,
Speaker 3: and it's it's it's the same, I think, you know, I.
Speaker 2: Don't see they can live without it. I mean, if
Speaker 2: I don't go into the woods at least once a way,
Speaker 2: I'm just going crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wish I'd get up more than that. But now.
Speaker 2: There's no woods in Arizona. I guess there are, and
Speaker 2: there's plenty of them. There's plenty. We have the mogi
Speaker 2: On Rim and well them has the mogi On Monster,
Speaker 2: which is a big foot.
Speaker 1: So well, yeah, that's interesting you bring that up because
Speaker 1: there was an old Oh my gosh, I wish I
Speaker 1: remember the poor guy's names. He was a much older gentleman.
Speaker 1: He had passed away some years ago. He was big
Speaker 1: into the Mogion monster that he did a lot of
Speaker 1: research on. Yeah, I wish I remember the poor guy's name.
Speaker 1: I spoke to him once or twice in the past. Uh.
Speaker 1: He may even been on an old podcast some years
Speaker 1: ago of mine. But I know a good friend of
Speaker 1: mine that lives in Texas, uh Nikki Cologne. She's actually
Speaker 1: done some research with him or interviewed him herself. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I really believe that he was on something. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he was from Man. I wish I would remember
Speaker 1: his name. It's sad that I can't remember certain names.
Speaker 1: He was an old timer, been around for a long time.
Speaker 1: And uh, but yeah, again he had passed away some
Speaker 1: years ago, but uh, he was very well much involved
Speaker 1: with that, so yeah, I can't remember.
Speaker 4: Rather, did you really search independent? You belong?
Speaker 3: Do you have a group or groups or do you
Speaker 3: belong in the groups to go out with or you're
Speaker 3: just independent doing what independent?
Speaker 2: I prefer to go out independently because too many people
Speaker 2: mess around, and when I do my research, I'm very
Speaker 2: very serious about it. I don't want people ruining things.
Speaker 2: I don't want people creating, you know, hoaxes or whatever.
Speaker 2: I just want to do my thing and see if
Speaker 2: I can find some evidence. So I'll occasionally take a
Speaker 2: friend with me if I can trust that friend, but
Speaker 2: usually it's independent.
Speaker 4: Well that's what Dan does with the camp out.
Speaker 3: So we must keep it quiet that people know that
Speaker 3: the camp out coming up and nobody knows where, you know,
Speaker 3: where we're going to be stuff like that, and give
Speaker 3: with Daniel maybe be invited after that part.
Speaker 4: So I mean, that's the way I like to keep
Speaker 4: it too. That way you don't have the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been fortunate. You know, some of my friends
Speaker 2: are very open minded and they're very supportive. So because
Speaker 2: I'm into it, they're into it as well. And they
Speaker 2: know I'm very serious, so you know, the last questions
Speaker 2: on what to look for, and they'll show me stuff
Speaker 2: that they think might be evident. So I have looked
Speaker 2: out some really good friends and I'll think that's good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll take them with me, and you know, they're very
Speaker 2: excited to be there. So once in a while I'll
Speaker 2: be like, hey, you guys want to go. Most of
Speaker 2: the time I go buy myself though.
Speaker 1: Right, let's see that like what David was saying, like
Speaker 1: I was, I'm just kind of starting to like I've
Speaker 1: been doing the group camp outs for some years now,
Speaker 1: and uh, like I'll message people now like I I'm
Speaker 1: at the point where I don't want to advertise that, hey,
Speaker 1: I got a group camp out coming up in such
Speaker 1: and such. I'll I'll invite people privately, now, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I want to promote to bring other people
Speaker 1: in there, because at the same time, I want to
Speaker 1: be able to educate people. There's people that don't get
Speaker 1: out that much, you know, and that want to get
Speaker 1: involved with this, and I'm like, I'm all for them.
Speaker 1: I welcome. I'm pretty open much to welcome anybody that
Speaker 1: wants to get involved, you know. But so, yeah, somebody wants.
Speaker 1: That's why I was I was charging a fee for
Speaker 1: people to come out.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And the reason and the reason behind that because a
Speaker 1: lot of people are like, oh, you shouldn't charge people
Speaker 1: to come up. I do it because I feel like
Speaker 1: it helps eliminate the possible hopes. Yes, well, I hopes
Speaker 1: are paid this money to come out there, and and
Speaker 1: I hope you know. I mean, that's the way I
Speaker 1: look at it. That's the only reason I was charging
Speaker 1: a fee for certain people.
Speaker 2: You know, you kind of charge like that one guy,
Speaker 2: what's his name, doctor something, who thinks a big foot
Speaker 2: or the zanu.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure who that who's that I forgot what
Speaker 1: his name.
Speaker 2: Is, but uh, he thinks that bigfoot are a type
Speaker 2: of alien or whatever. And that the X structures we
Speaker 2: find are because they're known as Zanu. It's just it's
Speaker 2: it's weird stuff.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Once you get down that rabbit hole, you're gonna be like, oh,
Speaker 2: good lord, what have I done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not familiar with that. I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'll send you some stuff on Facebook, Daniel, But oh
Speaker 2: my goodness, his followers are so devoted. Yeah, there's supposed
Speaker 2: to be two different type of bigfoot. Ones is Zanu
Speaker 2: and I forgot the other ones in the called. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that's why they leave the X structures because they're leaving
Speaker 2: their name. They're calling card and I'm just going, oh,
Speaker 2: good lord, come on, stop with this already.
Speaker 1: No, it's funny to bring it up to one of
Speaker 1: my speakers that I have for June this year. And
Speaker 1: I know this guy. I met him, I've had him
Speaker 1: like when I was up in Pennsylvania, i met him
Speaker 1: in person. I'm sure I've heard his stories on a
Speaker 1: few occasions. I've actually when I hosted small events up there,
Speaker 1: I had him at you know, speaking of these small engagements,
Speaker 1: and then when I hosted my big event up there,
Speaker 1: he was also one of my Now he has claimed
Speaker 1: I feel he is legit. However, you know, he he
Speaker 1: has UFO experiences very up close. But at the same
Speaker 1: time he yeah, but he's also a bigfoot I witnessed,
Speaker 1: and he's actually brought me and my old girlfriend to
Speaker 1: the locations where he's actually witnessed the scene the bigfoot.
Speaker 1: But but that be said, I mean, he believes that
Speaker 1: bigfoot is not a deserve So, I mean, that's not
Speaker 1: the first time I've heard of such a thing. But
Speaker 1: you know, so anyway, I'm curious, you know, Like I said,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be one of my speakers in June. His
Speaker 1: name is John and again he's from Pennsylvania. Now I
Speaker 1: know I can tell you for a first st experience.
Speaker 1: I know Pennsylvania has some weird stuff up here. I've
Speaker 1: seen some weird things for myself, I can't claim yet,
Speaker 1: but so it is what it is. I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say I was seeing things because I saw what I saw,
Speaker 1: and I know what I saw. I just I've never
Speaker 1: seen what I've seen up there. I've never seen anywhere
Speaker 1: else like the weird flashing lights in the woods on
Speaker 1: more than one occasions up there, So I when I
Speaker 1: were seeing but it was crazy.
Speaker 2: UFO is being seen alongside bigfoot. That's something we can't ignore.
Speaker 2: We're doing another disservice if we just ignore that. But
Speaker 2: I don't think that bigfoot are extraterrestrials. I don't bind
Speaker 2: to that theory completely, right.
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, I think I think, right off
Speaker 1: the top of the head, I think it's just a
Speaker 1: coincidence that, you know, these these aircraft are seeing happened
Speaker 1: to be spotted in here, we're bigfoots being seen, you know.
Speaker 2: So coincidences, yeah, absolutely, but to proven otherwise?
Speaker 4: Who though?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, we might all be wrong, you know,
Speaker 2: with all the theories we have. Who knows, maybe one
Speaker 2: day we'll find a real Bigfoot and we'll be like,
Speaker 2: oh crap, we were all wrong, every single one of us.
Speaker 2: How about that.
Speaker 1: Well, hopefully that can speak Hopefully you can speak English
Speaker 1: of us, and we could talk from where are you from?
Speaker 1: I am from the planet Neptune.
Speaker 7: That you were talking about that doctor Zanu.
Speaker 4: It's doctor Matthew A. Johnson.
Speaker 1: That's the one Matthew Johnson. Oh my goodness, that's a
Speaker 1: whole different subject in herself.
Speaker 4: I know him.
Speaker 2: I went down that rabbit hole and thank god, I
Speaker 2: tied that rope around my waist. As I climbed right
Speaker 2: out of it, I was like, I'm done, I'm out
Speaker 2: of here.
Speaker 1: See you. Oh are you familiar Amazon? Oh talk about
Speaker 1: Matthew Johnson. Oh my gosh, he's a psychologist. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's that's where he gets his doctor's degree. He's a psychologist.
Speaker 1: But that same indivision. I don't know how much of
Speaker 1: a history you guys know on him, but Matthew Johnson
Speaker 1: is the same guy that claims to have the portals
Speaker 1: on his property and the watchers and the portal keepers
Speaker 1: in the guardians. And he even convinced one of his
Speaker 1: followers that, hey, stop taking your medication. Bigfoot will heal
Speaker 1: your prostate or whatever issue you have because he claims
Speaker 1: a bigfoot. Heel just frustrate. And there's one guy that
Speaker 1: was convinced so much stop taking his heart medication ends
Speaker 1: up dying and you're not long after taking his stopped
Speaker 1: taking into medication. Oh my god. Later on. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: basically that's basically when he That's the way I looked
Speaker 1: at it. He became a cult leader. Yep.
Speaker 2: I mean it's like we said the same thing at
Speaker 2: the same time.
Speaker 1: But Yeah, that's the that's the truth behind Matthew Johnson.
Speaker 1: Doctor Matthew Johnson. Yeah, he convinced people not stop taking
Speaker 1: the message.
Speaker 2: Guy, you could have warned me about this before I
Speaker 2: dive down that rabbit hole, because I climbed out going
Speaker 2: what the hell? I was so confused and dizzy by
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I just don't want to touch this
Speaker 2: with a twenty foot pole anymore.
Speaker 1: Man. See, well, it sounds like it sounds like you survived,
Speaker 1: though you're still alive ron et cetera. In Migraine.
Speaker 2: Man, I had the biggest headache ever, and I was going,
Speaker 2: oh my god. People are crazy.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: I mean, he just talking about it and writing books.
Speaker 1: He's just talking about it, and he had people convinced
Speaker 1: so much. They again, he had people convinced so much
Speaker 1: that he had one guy quit his medication for his heart, Like, hey,
Speaker 1: he convinced people that they will heal you, I mean,
Speaker 1: and Matthew Johnson claimed that. Yeah, Matthew Johnson claimed that
Speaker 1: they healed his prostate. Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: One book on Amazon?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 4: Anymore?
Speaker 7: But he's got at least one book on Amazon.
Speaker 1: Okay, either he's been quiet for quite some time or
Speaker 1: he blocked me. I don't know. I haven't even seen
Speaker 1: his post or anything for a long time.
Speaker 2: So he totally blocked me. I asked him, do the
Speaker 2: talk to the vulcans at all? He got so mad
Speaker 2: at me he blocked me.
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, yeah, so again I haven't even
Speaker 1: looked at I haven't. I forgot all about him because
Speaker 1: I just again, if he's still around, even he blocked me,
Speaker 1: because I don't see no post from him. The last
Speaker 1: thing I can recall is that he had this long,
Speaker 1: giant turd going across the tailgate of a truck.
Speaker 2: YEP.
Speaker 1: That's supposed he came from a big foot yep. Okay, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that that was the last thing I can recall
Speaker 1: or remember seeing from him. Are you serious?
Speaker 2: I mean, oh, ironic, Daniel, The last thing you saw
Speaker 2: from him was ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, a big long turd going across the tailgate
Speaker 1: of a pickup truck.
Speaker 2: That's all right there.
Speaker 4: People have trouble believing or getting involved with what we've tried, all.
Speaker 2: The skeptics and non believers. I mean, when you know,
Speaker 2: like Peter Kane being held up as researchers, that's when
Speaker 2: you get a stopping to wait a minute. Peter Kane
Speaker 2: a dog trainer.
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, that was That's another crea. If there's
Speaker 1: people believe in NaSTA from David Kane, Peter Kane, excuse me,
Speaker 1: that's unbelievable. Oh, they absolutely.
Speaker 2: I had a dude on Instagram he sent me like
Speaker 2: forty videos from Peter Kane and he's telling me you'll
Speaker 2: never be the researcher this guy is. He has evidence
Speaker 2: that you'll never have. And I'm just sitting there going, dude,
Speaker 2: he made that costume. Bro, He's an artist, that's what
Speaker 2: he does.
Speaker 1: Well. That look at the frozen I'm not familiar with
Speaker 1: the costume. Yeah, but I know Peter Kane also had
Speaker 1: a frozen big foot ahead.
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, body, he had the hands, the feet.
Speaker 1: He does what he does for YouTube views because he
Speaker 1: makes money off of his YouTube. Like many of us,
Speaker 1: I had to monorized YouTube channel, but I don't produce
Speaker 1: content all the time to get the views that I
Speaker 1: would love to have. But I have thirty nine hundred subscribers. Man,
Speaker 1: I would love to have some money made off of
Speaker 1: my YouTube channel. It would help me out tremendously. But
Speaker 1: I mean, these are people that got big time thousand views,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, people producing content just to
Speaker 1: get the views constantly. I don't have the ability right
Speaker 1: now to constantly put stuff out on my YouTube channel,
Speaker 1: but right, you know, I mean I used to do
Speaker 1: my old podcasts were on my YouTube channel where I
Speaker 1: did the live video podcast. But and then I did.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of my field videos, you know,
Speaker 1: me out there exploring find some and you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of people appreciated what I did. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, there's some people like, oh, you're not showing bigfoot.
Speaker 1: What you know? You know, how am I supposed to
Speaker 1: show big quick? I said, all the videos you watch
Speaker 1: bigfoot bullshit? You know right.
Speaker 2: It's like, if I was gonna show bigfoot, I'd be
Speaker 2: on YouTube. No, I'd be proving it to scientists, saying
Speaker 2: here he is. Look it's a big foot.
Speaker 1: Right exactly. I mean, I mean, I can only show
Speaker 1: so much on my YouTube videos. I mean, I show
Speaker 1: interesting things I come across and find. But I'm never
Speaker 1: going to claim that I have big foot on my
Speaker 1: videos unless I know definitively that I've actually witnessed me
Speaker 1: seeing them and like, hey, look there he is right there.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not want them to come across it
Speaker 1: claim that, right. So I would love to find Bigfoot
Speaker 1: and show him on my videos.
Speaker 2: I really would me too. I mean I'd be making,
Speaker 2: you know, multiple videos going yep, this is him looking,
Speaker 2: here's him from the front, here's him from the side,
Speaker 2: here's him from above, all different angles for you to
Speaker 2: check out. But it's not gonna happen that way.
Speaker 4: Well now, they they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, AI, Yeah, AI is awful. But I do
Speaker 1: have video. I do have people watching looking at some
Speaker 1: of my old content and sharing stuff with me, like
Speaker 1: look right here, right after you said you heard something
Speaker 1: moving nearby. Look, they'll give me a timestamp on my videos.
Speaker 1: I was like, I said, okay, maybe I need to
Speaker 1: pull this up on my laptop, but I'm not seeing nothing.
Speaker 1: I mean I.
Speaker 2: Certainly need though, we need that community where everybody's looking
Speaker 2: and watching our videos to point stuff out that we
Speaker 2: might have missed.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what right now. There was one one of
Speaker 1: my old field videos which after reviewing it, I almost
Speaker 1: fooled myself. It took me a lot of them down
Speaker 1: to get this downfack. But in one of my videos,
Speaker 1: you've watched in the background and it up behind me.
Speaker 1: It kind of goes uphill and it clearly shows. It
Speaker 1: clearly shows what looked like a small, probably four or
Speaker 1: five feet tall, humanoid figure going from behind a tree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks like the humanoid figure going from behind a tree,
Speaker 1: running across jumping behind another street. I've captured this myself,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you gotta be shipping, I said.
Speaker 1: I started looking at this and I slowed it down.
Speaker 1: I pulled it up on my laptop, and of course,
Speaker 1: when you're on your laptop and you're on YouTube, if
Speaker 1: you know how to use YouTube, you have the ability
Speaker 1: to slow things way down. Yeah, sure enough, I did that,
Speaker 1: and guess what I discovered It was. It was a
Speaker 1: leaf on a tree limb dangling really slow, and I
Speaker 1: captured it and I saw it very clear. I think, oh, well,
Speaker 1: that's a disappointment, but at least I know the truth
Speaker 1: about this now, you know, because it was right. It
Speaker 1: was an angle that I was moving in. I was
Speaker 1: barely moving, but it was enough where that's exactly what
Speaker 1: it looked like. It looked like something running going from
Speaker 1: one from behind one treet to another, and it looked
Speaker 1: like it went behind another street, it was a leaf
Speaker 1: dangling on the limb or a branch up behind me
Speaker 1: in a distance. Yeah, And I was like, man, I'm
Speaker 1: glad I just figured that out before somebody else says, hey,
Speaker 1: you had one running behind you in the field. No,
Speaker 1: but I love to bunking my own shit.
Speaker 2: You absolutely have to. That's what honest researchers do.
Speaker 1: But now a lot of people don't realize, Like, for example,
Speaker 1: there's some of my old video footage where people claim
Speaker 1: to have seen something I said. Okay, in some instance,
Speaker 1: maybe there's that possibility there really is something here. But
Speaker 1: with the old like a lot of my video footage
Speaker 1: comes from my camera phone, you know, using an old
Speaker 1: video camera or a camera phone. And when you upload
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't realize this unless you've got
Speaker 1: really good Wi Fi. When you upload stuff to YouTube,
Speaker 1: unless you're high uploading in a high depth setting, a
Speaker 1: lot of you video footage will become distorted. It's being
Speaker 1: uploaded to a lower quality image. So you're going to
Speaker 1: add some pixelation, you're gonna have distortion, so a lot
Speaker 1: of your stuff in the background is not going to
Speaker 1: be as clear as what you're recording. As a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't understand that. You know, again, you have
Speaker 1: to upload into I mean, I don't care you like
Speaker 1: right now, Yeah, my my gear has up has improved.
Speaker 1: I've got much better quality stuff nowadays. But you have
Speaker 1: to have good Wi Fi to upload into a high
Speaker 1: definition you know quality you know, are you talking four
Speaker 1: k oh either? One like YouTube doesn't give you the
Speaker 1: option to upload a four K. It gives you high
Speaker 1: depth ability. But so I mean if you upload, if
Speaker 1: you've got good hot Wi Fi, good internet service, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's going to give you a better quality image. But
Speaker 1: like with me, I'm thinking more of what for me personally.
Speaker 1: And I know I've seen this on other people's videos.
Speaker 1: I know they're uploading stuff at low quality. If I
Speaker 1: have good Wi Fi, yes, I could upload a better
Speaker 1: image and better quality quality scenery. But unfortunately, like like
Speaker 1: I could record off of four K. Now, my video
Speaker 1: footage does look a lot better. But even though once
Speaker 1: you get to YouTube, once it's on YouTube, it's not
Speaker 1: always going to show the clearest you know.
Speaker 4: So there on YouTube, you guys select the settings too, right.
Speaker 1: Right, change that's the thing. Yeah, I can change, I
Speaker 1: can sell up the settings, but it's kind of like
Speaker 1: with my Wi Fi. Like usually I tend to have
Speaker 1: a weak, slow Wi Fi, so it's gonna take a
Speaker 1: long time. It's going to eat up everything I got.
Speaker 1: So that's where I like, I personally I'm limited on
Speaker 1: how I could upload stuff. But now I could go
Speaker 1: I mean I technically, I guess I could go somewhere
Speaker 1: to arrest Ryan or a store that offers free Wi
Speaker 1: Fi and I can upload that way or it doesn't
Speaker 1: eat up my data. So because like right now, like
Speaker 1: we're doing this show right now, I'm using my phone's data,
Speaker 1: I'm using yeah, So, which it doesn't mean it works great.
Speaker 4: You don't have internet your else.
Speaker 1: No I'm not here, No, No, like I'm using I
Speaker 1: got Verizon, and I got good signal right now because
Speaker 1: everything's renewed since I you know, you guys know, I've
Speaker 1: been out of work for over a month so and
Speaker 1: I was able to just recently renew my everything. So
Speaker 1: my dad has been reset.
Speaker 4: So yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I mean right now, like this is
Speaker 1: gonna be all audio when people are listening to this
Speaker 1: on the radio platforms, and I'm not worried about the
Speaker 1: video footage. That's why I got my camera turned off
Speaker 1: right now because they're not gonna see what we're doing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so yeah, I'll get off my soapbox and
Speaker 2: not complain about certain people.
Speaker 1: Though, Like nobody's gonna see David in his is uh
Speaker 1: his apron right now.
Speaker 2: So we were all doing those bue gestures for absolutely nothing. Bummer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like you know, Ryan, David, David likes to
Speaker 1: wear his apron with not non just for the entertainment
Speaker 1: to his own wife. No, I'll give I'll give Ryan
Speaker 1: a little back fell on why I'm joking about the
Speaker 1: apron thing. Ryan has no idea why you why I
Speaker 1: talk about the apron David. David's retired and he works
Speaker 1: with you know, his wife Melissa at Krispy Krean. You
Speaker 1: guys got Christopher Crean out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do what we used to do. I'm not
Speaker 2: if it's still there or if it's relocated, but we
Speaker 2: got one.
Speaker 1: Oh. Ever, since I came into where they work and
Speaker 1: I ran into them while they were both working, I
Speaker 1: started joking with David because you know, hey, he was
Speaker 1: working making the donuts. He was wearing an apron, so
Speaker 1: you know, so I joke with him ever since, talking
Speaker 1: about him being you know, a maly man wearing an apron.
Speaker 2: So he did pretty much the Krispy Krean version of
Speaker 2: the dunkin Donuts guy time to make the don Yeah.
Speaker 5: Exactly, I do have a little bit of intellect here,
Speaker 5: come on, guys retired from the army after twenty one years.
Speaker 5: That retired from the local sheriff's office.
Speaker 4: That's behind me. So I can get out two days
Speaker 4: a week just working, make a little bit of this
Speaker 4: play money. I'm just not wanting to know a fly
Speaker 4: by night guys out there to go from dogs job.
Speaker 4: I reta, No.
Speaker 1: That's not you, David, that's me. Let me stop. Come hey,
Speaker 1: I want to see you wearing an apron when you're cooking, David.
Speaker 1: But I buy you, I buy you a customized apron
Speaker 1: with you with a big foot on it with a
Speaker 1: doing oh my god, oh lord. Oh yeah. So yeah,
Speaker 1: just to give you a backfill Ryan back round story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're we're crazy day Ryan, so I can tell you're
Speaker 1: my kind of Yeah. Yeah. We love the joke and
Speaker 1: cut up. So that's that's who we are.
Speaker 2: That's how we should. You can't have comedy and make
Speaker 2: fun of each other. There's something wrong.
Speaker 7: Exactly, exactly, like an extended family right now.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh for sure, my baby brother exactly.
Speaker 2: That's what I love about the community, though, is you
Speaker 2: do make some really good friends, you make some lifelong friends,
Speaker 2: and that's very important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so. Yeah. I mean, back when I was
Speaker 1: asking you if you if you travel, I mean, I
Speaker 1: know it would probably be impossible for you to do
Speaker 1: it this year, but maybe that's something you can consider
Speaker 1: it next year.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely next year. I can definitely save up
Speaker 2: for that and gets traveling again. It'd be nice.
Speaker 1: Because one of the things I've actually been thinking about
Speaker 1: it and I haven't told David and listen to this,
Speaker 1: but one of the things for next year's event, because
Speaker 1: you know, I host the annual e C b r
Speaker 1: O Virginia Big for Conference every year, right, and I
Speaker 1: kind of hate to do this in a jam, I
Speaker 1: mean in June, but with our event, I hold my
Speaker 1: event every June. But at the same time, I consider
Speaker 1: doing a camp out in June leading up to, you know,
Speaker 1: just prior to the event yourself only because I might
Speaker 1: advertise this as a like, I don't know, I just
Speaker 1: thought about trying this for the first time to see
Speaker 1: how it works out. Uh. The reason I hate to
Speaker 1: do this in June because it would just probably be
Speaker 1: too hot, you know. I usually do May and then
Speaker 1: September like a spring and fall event, you know, with campouts.
Speaker 1: But I know it's been presented to me in the past, like, hey,
Speaker 1: why don't you do a group camp out expedition for
Speaker 1: you know, and do a sign up thing and you
Speaker 1: charge people around, you know, around your event. I think, well,
Speaker 1: the only issue again, the only issue I have with
Speaker 1: that would be it would be very hot.
Speaker 2: But you know, no, I don't talk to me about hot.
Speaker 2: I'm in Arizona, so it'd be like a for me.
Speaker 1: Well, well that's probably a dry heat for you out there,
Speaker 1: ain't it? Or is that actually human?
Speaker 2: The weather has been kind of crazy here actually, because
Speaker 2: we had the really cold weather where the days were
Speaker 2: cold and nights were cold. Then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: the morning. I mean just the other day, I went
Speaker 2: out to go home, I have my first cup of coffee,
Speaker 2: and I stepped outside and I'm like, oh man, what
Speaker 2: the hell it's hot out here today? It was like
Speaker 2: twenty last now it's like eighty degrees right now. I'm
Speaker 2: going back inside.
Speaker 1: Wow. Well, Yeah, it's strange here a little bit on
Speaker 1: the east coast for us because like this morning, my
Speaker 1: grandson had a two hour delay to school, so I
Speaker 1: didn't have to get them there until like I leave
Speaker 1: here by nine point thirty in the morning today, and right,
Speaker 1: you know, it started off it was like it was
Speaker 1: just above freezing. It was thirty three degrees when I
Speaker 1: left go to bring him to school, but it reached
Speaker 1: about almost fifty degrees later in the day, so I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, this is weird. You know, we had
Speaker 1: freezing like when I brought them to school. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can see the ice on the trees on the way
Speaker 1: to school. So there was some we had the freezing rain,
Speaker 1: and then I don't know, it's supposed to It's weird.
Speaker 1: The temperate was this week of fluctuating up and down,
Speaker 1: up and down, up and down, and we're supposed to
Speaker 1: get some snow going into next week. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to follow what's going on here.
Speaker 2: They see global warming isn't a thing, huh.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's kind of crazy. But so as far
Speaker 1: as the camp out thing, I'm considering doing something maybe
Speaker 1: in June before the event, you know, just to see
Speaker 1: how I might try. I'm thinking about it, but see
Speaker 1: if it works out or not, you know, because there's
Speaker 1: people that want to get involved with my events, that
Speaker 1: want to go on in an expedition, you know. But
Speaker 1: that's why I promote them. Well, I have them promoting them.
Speaker 1: I keep in private now. But yeah, like I said,
Speaker 1: I do want in spring and I do want in fall.
Speaker 1: And the reason I do with them around those times
Speaker 1: of the years because based off of my research and
Speaker 1: my experiences in the field, by myself, I've getten I
Speaker 1: have gotten the most activity during these times of the
Speaker 1: year because spring, earlier to mid spring, you're going to
Speaker 1: get you know, you get more, you get a lot
Speaker 1: of activity because the tempers are not cold, but they're
Speaker 1: not so high either. They're more comfortable, right, the same
Speaker 1: thing with early to mid spring. I mean it's fall.
Speaker 1: I mean, same thing. I mean, you get you get
Speaker 1: some warm temperatures, but it doesn't get extremely cold. So
Speaker 1: so yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm I'm trying
Speaker 1: to figure something out. But I mean I might still
Speaker 1: do the May camp out, but I try to do
Speaker 1: something every May and every September. But I might try
Speaker 1: to do something for a few days and next June.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I got plenty of times play, oh
Speaker 1: for sure, Yeah for sure. So yeah, I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: to figure that out. Like I said, I I mean,
Speaker 1: I've had something someone not long ago bring that up
Speaker 1: to me. So I don't know. We'll see, we'll kind
Speaker 1: of play by year. But yeah, like I said, we
Speaker 1: got our group camp out coming up in May. It's
Speaker 1: May eighteenth, twenty fourth, and the location we're going to
Speaker 1: be in is where we were back in October. I
Speaker 1: don't know why. I don't know why I chose October
Speaker 1: when we normally try to do September, but October for
Speaker 1: some reason, I don't know. I thought it was different.
Speaker 4: Yeah it was little cold.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we had a very cold in October. It
Speaker 1: got down there like now during the day. It wasn't
Speaker 1: too bad. I mean we had.
Speaker 4: In the sun going down and getting in the shutles.
Speaker 4: It's cool quick, yeah, yeah, got down. It was fun.
Speaker 4: It wasn't miserable. Everybody's still in girls. It was fun.
Speaker 4: It was something different, you know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, take your glasses off at night to go to
Speaker 7: sleep on your caught in your tent and you wake
Speaker 7: up and there's a film of ice on your glasses.
Speaker 4: Go wow, man, that.
Speaker 2: Is cool thinking about that.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what I mean. Like, I wear glasses too,
Speaker 1: So I kicked my contacts out at night, you know
Speaker 1: where I have my run with glasses I slip on.
Speaker 1: But when I go to bed, I don't like I
Speaker 1: had my like my BEAUTI they had. If I were
Speaker 1: a beanie, I would put my glasses inside the beanie
Speaker 1: something to keep it. And I did the same thing
Speaker 1: with my phone because you know, even though I turned
Speaker 1: my phone off at night out there, can't. I don't
Speaker 1: want it being exposed directly to the cold there. So
Speaker 1: I'll put my glasses in my phone inside my beanie,
Speaker 1: you know, the kind of keep it from getting that
Speaker 1: direct really cold there.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I didn't get that, man. I was listening for Daniel
Speaker 4: to get his butt up, and he was there. They
Speaker 4: were making the fire and once to get the fire,
Speaker 4: and then I come out of the fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like that Native American.
Speaker 2: They called me the fire starter, pleased with matches.
Speaker 1: Yeah, light it up, baby burn, baby burn exactly. Oh man,
Speaker 1: So I I got to ask you Ryan. I know,
Speaker 1: I know you've been on social media almost as long
Speaker 1: as I have, if not longer. And you're in a
Speaker 1: lot of these different groups that you know, I'm sure
Speaker 1: I've been in so many over the years. I've left
Speaker 1: a lot of them. Either I left a lot of
Speaker 1: them on my own, or I've been kicked out of them.
Speaker 1: But because the ship I share, I'm an open book.
Speaker 1: I share things very bluntly sometimes and I used to
Speaker 1: be very bad about it, but I chilled out over
Speaker 1: the years. But but what that means said, you know,
Speaker 1: you're I know you're in as many group as I am.
Speaker 1: And so my question to you is with you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know it was the best way to say this.
Speaker 1: I kind of asked this question earlier. But what's the
Speaker 1: most craziest Uh, well, what would you consider something very
Speaker 1: extreme as far as a claim that you felt that
Speaker 1: was incredible.
Speaker 2: There's two that come to mind instantaneously, and they're both nuts,
Speaker 2: So buckle up when you hear this one. One guy right,
Speaker 2: he claimed that his dad worked for a certain section
Speaker 2: of the government. Wouldn't say which one, And he claims
Speaker 2: that one day his dad came home from work with
Speaker 2: a sack, right, and inside this sack was a dog
Speaker 2: man puppy.
Speaker 1: So oh, my.
Speaker 2: Baby dog man. And as it grew up, it was
Speaker 2: his protector, his bodyguard. It ended up killing like three
Speaker 2: or four gugwi It killed like six brakes, It killed
Speaker 2: a wind to Go, it killed a skin walker, it
Speaker 2: killed the Jersey Devil. And supposedly his dad made this
Speaker 2: like steel gauntlet of claws for this dog man. So
Speaker 2: basically it was a dog man wolverine where you know, snicked,
Speaker 2: you know, So I thought that was so absurd. But
Speaker 2: this guy, he goes on to tell the story of
Speaker 2: how the dog man got killed defending him from something,
Speaker 2: and people let nobody see the grave, and I keep
Speaker 2: trying to talk to him, like, dude, if you really
Speaker 2: had a dog man and you bury him on your property,
Speaker 2: why not just show us the body and shut us
Speaker 2: all up. Right there, you have the proof that it
Speaker 2: really happened that you had a dog man, puff that
Speaker 2: you raised, that he got killed the way that you
Speaker 2: said he did, and there's his body. You could shut
Speaker 2: us all down, and you'd be the guy that walks
Speaker 2: out triumphant because you were telling the truth. But he
Speaker 2: will not let anybody onto the property, not a single person.
Speaker 1: So then there's this other guy.
Speaker 2: He claimed he had a romantic relationship with a female dog.
Speaker 2: Man tell you what this romance included, but you can imagine.
Speaker 2: You can let your imaginations run wild with it, and
Speaker 2: anything your imagination comes up with. I'll just say, yes,
Speaker 2: that supposedly happened too. So there's some crazy stuff out there.
Speaker 1: Wow. So there romance was all dog you style?
Speaker 4: You sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You could say he gave that dog a bone, won't.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow.
Speaker 2: I don't know why people romanticize this stuff so much.
Speaker 2: I think it's sign of mental illness in some of them.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be no, I agree. I mean
Speaker 1: I've heard some crazy stuff along the ways here and there. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: where I'm usually let it go in one ear and
Speaker 1: out the other. But there was some channel that.
Speaker 2: Was telling some lady's story where allegedly she had bigfoots
Speaker 2: a love child. What that really?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Wow, that's something that's a taboy kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I would take it, you would think.
Speaker 2: But I mean, if you listen to the video, Daniel,
Speaker 2: it's so detailed, but you're just sitting there going, Okay,
Speaker 2: I know it's not true, But what kind of sick
Speaker 2: mind comes up with this kind of stuff. I mean,
Speaker 2: what frame of mind are you in to think of
Speaker 2: the story? I'll tell people I had big Foot to
Speaker 2: bebi right.
Speaker 1: I think I hear a dog man in the background.
Speaker 2: See, I've heard some crazy stuff though, Daniel and I
Speaker 2: get to the point where it's just like, if I
Speaker 2: hear or even with any craziness involved in the story,
Speaker 2: I just shut him down. Now you tell them, you
Speaker 2: know what, I'm not interested in hearing this. Sorry, go
Speaker 2: on to the next person.
Speaker 1: Right. Wow, Oh, I can't remember the woman's name. You
Speaker 1: might know who I'm talking about. I don't know. You've
Speaker 1: probably heard as much as I've heard over the years.
Speaker 1: But there was one where the woman supposedly allowed Bigfoot
Speaker 1: to come into her basement. She the bab the Bigfoot
Speaker 1: used to ship in the basement around the letter box
Speaker 1: or I do.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Oh, I can't remember her name, but a lot of
Speaker 1: people looked up to her as being legit. Yep, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was another.
Speaker 2: One to reach that. You know, people can care these
Speaker 2: fantastical stories, and people will just eat it up. They'll
Speaker 2: could devour it and gobble it up and follow this
Speaker 2: person and revere them. And it's like but why are
Speaker 2: you not starting to think that either lying to you,
Speaker 2: that they're feeding off of your attention.
Speaker 1: Exactly, or maybe they had these wiles of these people
Speaker 1: making these claims have these bizarre dreams and it's felt
Speaker 1: like a reality to them, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean I had one lady tell me she was
Speaker 2: from the UK, by the way, she lived in you know,
Speaker 2: in Liverpool, and she would send me these photos of
Speaker 2: this smoke trail from her incen and she would tell me, Oh,
Speaker 2: that's Bigfoot sneaking into my house.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Though, well, yeah, it's he materializes and it walffs up
Speaker 2: from the street and it creeps in through the cracks
Speaker 2: in my doorway and it sneaks into my house.
Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2: She even showed me a footprint in the pavement and
Speaker 2: she said that Bigfoot melted the pavement because Bigfoot is radioactive.
Speaker 1: Wow. And I'm like, oh boy, yeah, I have you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of crazy on myself. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot that I don't underestimate when
Speaker 1: it comes to Bigfoot himself. I mean, I believe that
Speaker 1: they are highly intelligent, and I agree. I mean, just
Speaker 1: like just like our known species of primates. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's been proven that they've used things for tools.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: One story that I have a hard time believing is
Speaker 2: the little kid that went missing and later the kid
Speaker 2: was brought back and said that a bear took care
Speaker 2: of him.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I know, I get. I actually added a
Speaker 1: post about this in my blog site.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh did you Okay, so then you were aware
Speaker 2: that the family had a friend named bear?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: So but people are saying, oh, no, it's not true.
Speaker 2: They didn't have a friend named bear. You know, it
Speaker 2: was Bigfoot that took the kid and took care of
Speaker 2: the kid and then brought it back. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: why would bring Bigfoot bring it back?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 2: If it's got a kid, I'm not going to be like,
Speaker 2: you know, hey, I'm going to go and bring this
Speaker 2: kid back. Even though I have no idea where you live,
Speaker 2: I'm still going to bring you back. I mean, would
Speaker 2: be like, oh, easy food joint, I'm.
Speaker 1: Out here now. I did take one thing I'll back
Speaker 1: up on now. The one thing I was not aware
Speaker 1: of is that the family had a friend and they
Speaker 1: referred to or called bear. Yeah, that I did not
Speaker 1: I was not aware of now when the story was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a mysterious story because it was weird that
Speaker 1: it got the gout taken in some man these directions.
Speaker 1: But the way I looked at it too, is like, okay,
Speaker 1: it was I wasn't. I don't know. I didn't know
Speaker 1: where to stand on this because you know, of course,
Speaker 1: the boys claim was yeah it was a bear. You know,
Speaker 1: he was gone for what three or four days? And
Speaker 1: I've reappeared and he looked like he was out in
Speaker 1: the out in the woods. He wasn't cleansed and nothing
Speaker 1: but right, But so you know, the thing is he
Speaker 1: was a young child and his understanding of a bear
Speaker 1: was a bear, you know, and not knowing it like, hey,
Speaker 1: could it had been a big whit because you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is, I don't recall, like now
Speaker 1: that you bring that up, I wasn't aware of that
Speaker 1: because but the question that jumps up to my mind
Speaker 1: right now is why does this guy keep him for
Speaker 1: three or four days or you know, not not return
Speaker 1: him right away?
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I got the friend it has
Speaker 2: a mental condition. He's mentally ill. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's down syndrome or what. So maybe he just, you know,
Speaker 2: didn't know the right thing to do. Oh okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of the stories get convoluted. I mean, remember
Speaker 2: when the little kid was killed by bolls a couple
Speaker 2: of years back. He was dragged up all.
Speaker 1: Wait, what was it about. I'm not familiar. I'm not
Speaker 1: familiar with this one.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: So there's a little boy that was killed not too
Speaker 2: far from his house and he was dragged up the
Speaker 2: hill and instantly everybody's jumping on it, saying that dog
Speaker 2: man killed this little boy. Now I have friends that
Speaker 2: looked into it, and they were saying, no, it.
Speaker 1: Wasn't a dog man.
Speaker 2: It was pit bulls that actually got out and they
Speaker 2: got a hold of this boy. And yeah, unfortunately they
Speaker 2: killed a small kid. And it got so bad, Daniel,
Speaker 2: it got so bad at the dog man stuff because
Speaker 2: people were making videos after videos after videos about it.
Speaker 2: People were making all these posts and a dog man
Speaker 2: killed this little boy. The little boy's mom actually went
Speaker 2: into some of these groups and she was begging everybody,
Speaker 2: please stop, for the love of God, my seven year
Speaker 2: old boy was killed not by a dog man, but
Speaker 2: by an actual pack of dogs. And you guys are
Speaker 2: using his death to make views for your YouTube. Stop
Speaker 2: doing this. And they kept doing with Daniel.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's that.
Speaker 2: I thought it was disgusting. I actually made a post
Speaker 2: a long time back, and I took a lot of
Speaker 2: heat for it because even some of my friends were
Speaker 2: making videos of it, and I told him, you all
Speaker 2: are disgusting. The mom had to come forward during her
Speaker 2: time aggrieving to stop you guys from spreading lives about
Speaker 2: her boy's death. There's something wrong with that. When you're
Speaker 2: more worried about views and morality, you need to step
Speaker 2: back and go, Okay, it's too soon, we don't know
Speaker 2: the facts. You know, let's not make a video about it.
Speaker 2: But when the mom came out and said it was
Speaker 2: a pack of pitbulls that did it, that's when you
Speaker 2: should have stopped completely right.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that kind of reminds me of I'm going to
Speaker 1: tell you I'll bring this up. I got some friends
Speaker 1: of mine, I don't know if they don't really associate
Speaker 1: with me. They don't reach out to me no more.
Speaker 1: They actually kind of shut me down. Even though the
Speaker 1: friends of mine, they would use every possible content for
Speaker 1: views and they would make it. They would bring up videos,
Speaker 1: and they started using certain content and supporting it just
Speaker 1: to get their views. Because their YouTube channel exploded. They
Speaker 1: probably have over well over twenty thousand subscribers on the
Speaker 1: YouTube panel. Well, I started questioning some of the stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's probably more than.
Speaker 4: That by now.
Speaker 1: I haven't looked into it in a couple of years,
Speaker 1: but they're probably much larger than that. They make their
Speaker 1: money off of YouTube. But what I when I started
Speaker 1: pointing stuff out and presenting things and share it, speaking
Speaker 1: up about it. Yeah, my buddy's wife spoke about it.
Speaker 1: Why he's She was like, why you why are you
Speaker 1: making you know, the boys look bad? Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm questioning it. I'm presenting it. It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't like that. Why you're trying to do that?
Speaker 1: And you know we all want to make money, but
Speaker 1: don't you're doing about it the wrong way? Is in
Speaker 1: my opinion, I say, offended me. It really did. It
Speaker 1: was offensive to me, and I'll speak, I'll say it.
Speaker 1: But you know, they the North Carolina squatch watchers. I
Speaker 1: love them, guy, but yet, why you got to present
Speaker 1: the ship just to make views?
Speaker 2: Well a lot of them of them will take anything
Speaker 2: and support it just to make the money, right.
Speaker 1: I mean again, we all want to make money, but
Speaker 1: stop getting popularity over fake ship, you know, and making
Speaker 1: something out more than what it really is.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: But I mean I presented a few things. I'm doing
Speaker 1: YouTube video short stuff. You know that's not you know,
Speaker 1: I've done the same thing they've done, you know, and
Speaker 1: you know I got I got criticized for it. You're
Speaker 1: using someone else's content to get views, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll think I'm guilty of it because it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I tried it for a short while to see what
Speaker 1: it did. It didn't get me nowhere. But they've been
Speaker 1: doing it enough where all these gumbible people were like, hey,
Speaker 1: they watched their ship and subscribe to them because you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's their source of content, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's what You're gonna be the honest guy.
Speaker 2: You know, you got to be the one that does
Speaker 2: the actual research. You don't use wias to get views.
Speaker 2: You just you know, you present the honest stuff to
Speaker 2: get the views. Either people are interested or they want
Speaker 2: as simple as that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, like my my Facebook group,
Speaker 1: my main ECBR group, I bet. I mean I can
Speaker 1: probably have over twenty fiousand subscribers. It's not more. But
Speaker 1: over the years, I kept cleaning my content my people
Speaker 1: involved in that because either they were inactive or they
Speaker 1: were just bogus people that I didn't want present the
Speaker 1: stupid shit. There you go, And it's the same thing
Speaker 1: with myself. My YouTube subscribers I got. I just hit
Speaker 1: just a little over thirty nine hundred subscribers for the
Speaker 1: first time. I mean, I've had my YouTube channel for
Speaker 1: since what twenty thirteen, fourteen somewhere around there, and uh,
Speaker 1: I mean I should have way more than I have.
Speaker 1: But because I don't produce the fake stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: it seems like these fake YouTube channels, I think, stuff
Speaker 1: that they want to promote hoaxers. Yeah, all the all
Speaker 1: the fake channels get the more subscribers. Over the years,
Speaker 1: I come to I come to the realizing, like I'd
Speaker 1: rather have quality over quantity. Same thing as my broupy exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not perfect, Ryan, I'm I'm far I'm
Speaker 1: by far perfect, aren't anything, but sure, you know, but
Speaker 1: you know that's the way it goes. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: gonna you have to take it with, you know, take
Speaker 1: it the way it.
Speaker 4: Is, but it is what it is.
Speaker 2: I'm very romantic about cryptosiology. I'm very attached to it
Speaker 2: and very fond of it. So when I see somebody
Speaker 2: making a mockery of it, I do take it very personal.
Speaker 2: I get very offensive.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, I have stepped back to a certain extent.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't comment as much, but sometimes when
Speaker 1: I see things that are very obvious that I know
Speaker 1: for a fact right off the top of my head
Speaker 1: that a fake, before I comment, I'll produce something. I'll
Speaker 1: add a comment or a picture or an image or
Speaker 1: or an article in there or whatever it might be,
Speaker 1: to show, hey, this is what the original, this is
Speaker 1: what you're sharing, but this is what the this is
Speaker 1: what it belongs to you, right, that's the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: look look at the uh look at the big foot
Speaker 1: thumb or or thumb or toe or whatever it can
Speaker 1: that was going around. Yeah, And I was like, okay, Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, when I realized somebody else, somebody else
Speaker 1: later on pointed out to me, read the name of
Speaker 1: the doctor's name in the article. If you read it backwards,
Speaker 1: it's doctor Phony Blooney. Wow. So yeah, yeah, it took
Speaker 1: me a while to pick up on that, but somebody
Speaker 1: pointed out to me, read the doctor's name backwards. I said, what,
Speaker 1: So I read the article and I I saw it
Speaker 1: mentioned a doctor's name that was putting it out there.
Speaker 1: Well it was doctor phony balooney if you spell me, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you fell out, it spelled the name backwards, that's
Speaker 1: what it pronounced, or I was pronounced yeah, doctor Phoney ballooney.
Speaker 1: But even apart from that, I was showing that, hey, okay,
Speaker 1: this bake big put thumb. Look here you could buy
Speaker 1: these on it si or whatever they were for sale.
Speaker 1: They were they were very calmon. You could buy them
Speaker 1: on online. Some of them were being sold as key chain.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so there's all this bogus stuff that's going around. Like,
Speaker 1: I'll dig and look into everything as much as possible
Speaker 1: if and if I can find something that discredits it. Dan, Right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna post it. That's what you should do, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what everybody should do. Everybody should be willing.
Speaker 1: That's the thing question everything. Don't accept everything that's presented
Speaker 1: on social media. Social media, because AI, as we were
Speaker 1: talking about earlier, AI is destroying what we're doing.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, AI is gonna be the bane of it.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: The way that people are coming up with videos and everything,
Speaker 2: it's going to make it very, very difficult for all
Speaker 2: of us.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's sad. It's very sad, but it's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sadly, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: So tell you what, Ryan, we're coming to a close.
Speaker 1: Before we're go any further, I wanted to give Melissa
Speaker 1: David a chance that you guys have any other questions
Speaker 1: for Ryan before we jump off here.
Speaker 2: I think he's muted.
Speaker 1: Uhh, yeah, I don't hear you, guys, David. Listen, you
Speaker 1: guys are quiet. I don't hear nothing.
Speaker 4: You guys might.
Speaker 1: You might have to unmute yourself. Hmm, oh they were muted.
Speaker 1: I can't I mute your guess. Mike isn't connected? Your
Speaker 1: mic is I'm trying to mean it gives me the
Speaker 1: option to unmute you guys, but it says, can't umute
Speaker 1: your guess. The mic isn't connected.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's weird.
Speaker 2: Oh your microphone is just connected, guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you might have to connect yourself. You guys are unconnected.
Speaker 2: There you go, yep, No, I hear some kind of feedback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm hearing the two Can you hear me? Now?
Speaker 1: There you go, there you go, We got you, we
Speaker 1: got you.
Speaker 3: I just.
Speaker 1: That's weird, Yeah, because I haven't been touching my device.
Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, it's probably Henry that yeah.
Speaker 1: To a band. So yeah, David, listen, you guys have
Speaker 1: anything else you want to share or ask Ryan before
Speaker 1: we come to a close.
Speaker 4: No, not at this time. Maybe we'll meet up against
Speaker 4: sometime hopefully.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, We'll definitely have to. We definitely have
Speaker 1: to have Ryan back here. This has been a great discussion.
Speaker 1: We've been on here for well over two hours almost.
Speaker 1: We're approaching three hours, so this is already time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh for sure. How about you, Ryan, Is there anything
Speaker 1: you want to prove out there or share before we
Speaker 1: come to a close. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just want to tell everybody to be on the
Speaker 2: lookout for my Wind to Go book that's gonna be
Speaker 2: published pretty soon. I'm hoping by the end of next
Speaker 2: month with fingers crussed, and then after that I'll have
Speaker 2: a Skinwalker book. Then following that is going to be
Speaker 2: the folklore of various indigenous tribes. So I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: three books coming out this year.
Speaker 1: So be on the lookout for that nice, very nice,
Speaker 1: and tell tell everybody where they can find you and
Speaker 1: where will this content be found? There?
Speaker 2: Okay, you can find me on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. Just
Speaker 2: look for Ryan Paul Trembley. You'll see my name. You'll
Speaker 2: say the wind to go guy. So if you want
Speaker 2: to just add me up and start up conversation. I'm
Speaker 2: always about the combo. I love talking to people, So yeah,
Speaker 2: hit me up and we can have some talks.
Speaker 1: Sweet sweet, sweet sweet, And ladies, gentlemen, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: Ryan back with us here at the near future. We're
Speaker 1: definitely gonna have a talk to He is full of knowledge.
Speaker 1: It has a lot of information. He knows his research
Speaker 1: very well. With that being said, ladies and gentlemen, we
Speaker 1: can't express enough how thankful we offer you tune in
Speaker 1: and listening. If you're not a follower of ECBR Bigfoot Radio,
Speaker 1: you to do so. Now. There's some events if we
Speaker 1: want to share with you before we go offline. Here,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, keep a squatchy until next time. I'm
Speaker 1: your host, Daniel Benoir, and listen to our upcoming events. Hopefully,
Speaker 1: if you can't be there, plan ahead, and here we go,
Speaker 1: DCBRO Bigfoot radio fans, it's time to grab your pens,
Speaker 1: your calendars and start writing down these dates for these
Speaker 1: upcoming events. In the twenty twenty five year, February, a
Speaker 1: v ECBRO is hosting a big Foot in lunch gathering
Speaker 1: in Lexington, Virginia, happening at the Legendary Eats Cafe. If
Speaker 1: you have a Bigfoot story, or if you're just a
Speaker 1: fan of Bigfoot and you want to learn what's going
Speaker 1: on with the ECBRO and I know who they are
Speaker 1: and what they do, this event's for you. It's a
Speaker 1: free event. The only thing is going to cost you
Speaker 1: if you want to buy off menu and enjoy a
Speaker 1: delicious meal while you sit among other researchers. All right,
Speaker 1: Moving ahead in the month of March. March twenty ninth
Speaker 1: is a pen Ohio pronomal Con happening at the Timoty
Speaker 1: Banquith Center and Creable, Ohio. Yes, that is also sponsored
Speaker 1: and hosted by mister Bill Rigby. All Right, jumping ahead
Speaker 1: into the month of June. Boy, do we have some
Speaker 1: awesome stuff going on in June. Again. I hope you're
Speaker 1: marking this down and I hope you prepare yourself to
Speaker 1: attend these events. June sixth, seventh, and eighth Happening in Marionville, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: the Forest County Bigfoot Festival. The event that's grown so
Speaker 1: huge it's unbelievable. You're going to want to attend this event.
Speaker 1: Over one hundred vendors, food trucks, and guest speakers. This
Speaker 1: event is something you want to attend, not to mention.
Speaker 1: And if you'd like to go squatching. There is the
Speaker 1: Allegaty National State Forest nearby. You're gonna want to check
Speaker 1: that forest out. It's very squatching. June twentieth and twenty first,
Speaker 1: happening in Where's Cave, Virginia at the Where's K Community
Speaker 1: Center is the annual ECBRO Virginia big Foot Conference. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's right there, being held at the Community Center and
Speaker 1: Where's Cave, Virginia. Both indoor and outdoor vendors, guest speakers,
Speaker 1: fun activity and contest for the kids. You're gonna want
Speaker 1: to check this out. If you've never been to this event,
Speaker 1: it's very fun. You get to meet up with other
Speaker 1: light minded people, get to go out and hang out
Speaker 1: with them in the evenings around the fire. If you're
Speaker 1: can get that special invite, you get to have a
Speaker 1: lot more. You're gonna want to check that out and
Speaker 1: start becoming a part of that event because that is
Speaker 1: not just in an event, it's like a family gathering.
Speaker 1: That's June twentieth and twenty first, So feel free to
Speaker 1: check that out. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you guys again
Speaker 1: for listening to the CBR Break for Radio. I'm your
Speaker 1: host Daniel Binoa, and I want to thank Ryan Trimbly
Speaker 1: for being our guest tonight and we had a great discussion.
Speaker 1: We're going to be back very soon. Uhy follow us
Speaker 1: for upcoming content over the next day or two, there
Speaker 1: will be more content being produced. So ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: thank you guys again. H David and Melissa, Ryan, thank
Speaker 1: you guys again for being here. And uh, we'll be
Speaker 1: absolutely we'll be together here in the near future. And uh,
Speaker 1: there's so much more we can talk about discuss I
Speaker 1: mean there's there's I don't think there's a little limit
Speaker 1: on what we can discuss on this stuff here.
Speaker 4: So we'll be well, we will see you Saturday morning.
Speaker 1: Sounds good. Sounds good. We're looking forward to it. So
Speaker 1: you guys keeping keep it squatchy. Until next time, guys,
Speaker 1: we're out.
Speaker 2: Have a good one, guys,