WEBVTT 1 00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:19.879 It's a Lapsed Van wrestling podcast special report. The Lapsed 2 00:00:19.879 --> 00:00:24.719 Fan presents The Complete Hull Cogan, a real American story 3 00:00:25.280 --> 00:00:26.719 brought to you by Garage Beach. 4 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:30.839 Leaving Cocoa Beach, leaving Cape Canaveral Boss, leaving the rocket 5 00:00:30.920 --> 00:00:37.079 launching behind is Terry Bulay. Are you gonna miss Cocoa Beach? 6 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:41.520 Oh? Yes, I'm always gonna miss Cocoa Beach, especially this 7 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:43.399 time of year. I love a good hot cup of 8 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:43.960 Cocoa Beach. 9 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:46.560 Last time we were with you formally on the Complete 10 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:48.799 Hull Cogan. Here in The Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast, the 11 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:51.439 most exhaustive review of the life and times of Terry 12 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:54.479 Boley you'll find anywhere. He was in Coco Beach for 13 00:00:54.520 --> 00:00:56.679 a year hiatus from the wrestling business with his pal 14 00:00:56.799 --> 00:00:59.240 from back in Tampa in the high school days at Leslie, 15 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:02.600 and they were bouncing and bartending at the Anchor Club 16 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:06.599 in Cocoa Beach and living the bachelor life and working 17 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:10.200 out and hitting the weights hard and roiding and fucking. 18 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:12.280 I mean, that's pretty much what was what happened right 19 00:01:12.359 --> 00:01:13.239 in drinking. 20 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:18.079 Listen, all right, there's I mean, honestly, all those other 21 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:21.400 things mattered but what mattered most fucking and did we 22 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:22.079 or did we not. 23 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:25.519 Confirm that Don the Dragon Wilson was outpacing them times 24 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:26.480 three up in the attic. 25 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:31.799 Oh, listen, listen that that was his attic. Okay, that 26 00:01:31.959 --> 00:01:35.359 was his attic. He did business up there, and and 27 00:01:35.560 --> 00:01:38.519 there was no there was no question about that. If 28 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:41.079 you think we are there's nothing, there's nothing. There was 29 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:45.560 nothing that they could possibly do to compete with the Dragon. 30 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:49.599 I've told you this, but listeners of the Solar System 31 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:51.680 may not have heard this yet. Of course, we presented 32 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:54.480 a very proud to percent an interview with star of 33 00:01:55.159 --> 00:01:57.760 martial arts and action movies, Don the Dragon Wilson, who, 34 00:01:57.799 --> 00:01:59.959 of course, before becoming a Hollywood celebrity, worked with Hulko 35 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:02.000 and Ned Leslie at the Anchor Club in Cocoa Beach 36 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:04.400 and talk to us at Grant lengthen and very colorful 37 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:07.159 detail without that experience. But I've told you what I 38 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:10.120 had to when you said to him, well, as long 39 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:14.280 as everybody was satisfied, and he was like, I hope 40 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:17.919 the girls were satisfied. I was like, we don't have 41 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:19.840 to do any more of these, really, I mean, he's 42 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:21.199 not going to get much better than that. 43 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:29.319 He that was that was actually the most with the 44 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:33.240 most probably I was not expecting that reaction from him 45 00:02:33.240 --> 00:02:35.319 that at all, not at all. I don't think expect 46 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:37.919 most of the way he reacted. I know, I know what, 47 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:39.479 but you know, it was, like you tell, he was 48 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:41.400 taking it back because like I would imagine someone like 49 00:02:41.479 --> 00:02:43.680 him would have said, fuck yeah, they were satisfy. No no, no, no, 50 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:46.520 he was nervous. 51 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:48.520 He's a truth teller, and that's why we were so 52 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:50.319 proud to have him and what it would have blast 53 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:53.080 and what a pleasure it was to color in a 54 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:55.599 part of Terry Boulay's life that really has never talked 55 00:02:55.599 --> 00:02:57.520 about because he wasn't in the pro wrestling business. 56 00:02:58.240 --> 00:03:00.520 And that's which is kind of funny. You'd think at 57 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:03.840 this point, you know, given that that pretty much everybody 58 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:07.680 you know and their mom and my mom know about 59 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:12.159 Hull Coogan's wrestling, you know, the time that he was wrestling, 60 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:15.439 you'd think that that would be a more people more 61 00:03:15.479 --> 00:03:18.400 interested in in that part of it where he's not, 62 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:21.199 where he's not wrestling. Yeah, Like I would want to 63 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:23.719 know more at that point because that's because there comes 64 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:29.240 a point where oftentimes if I if I like I've read, 65 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:31.960 if I've watched a movie or something like that, and 66 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:35.840 I want more, I will eventually. This is movies that 67 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:38.120 are based on books. I eventually turned to the book 68 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:40.840 because I'm like, I'm just not satisfied anymore with what 69 00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:43.400 the movie gave me. I need more than that. I 70 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:47.400 need more, and and so I always turn to the book, 71 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:49.879 and then I get more, and then I'm left feeling 72 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:52.639 more satisfied than I was. And I'm able to I'm 73 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:54.719 able to kind of fit into pieces that are not 74 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:57.080 in the movie. But now that I know the book, 75 00:03:57.599 --> 00:03:59.240 you know, I can I can say, oh, okay, well 76 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:01.360 that would have gone in here. I see there at 77 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:03.039 this part in the movie, so they must be doing 78 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:06.439 this and that minute, you know. So, so I'm just 79 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:08.479 surprised that it's not more of a thing. Well, we 80 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:10.639 took care of that, and we did. There'll be a 81 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:12.719 little bit more to offer as it regards what was 82 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:15.199 going down in Cocoa Beach and how it gave a 83 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:17.519 direct tie back into the wrestling business for Hulk Hogan 84 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:20.759 and indeed entree into the wrestling business for ed Leslie. 85 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:24.720 As we go to Hulk Hogan's first Territory after emphasis 86 00:04:24.759 --> 00:04:26.480 emphasis on entree for sure. 87 00:04:26.319 --> 00:04:29.839 Andre the Giant coming to a ring near year because 88 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:33.279 it's Alabama and the Gulf Coast Southeastern Territory as the 89 00:04:33.319 --> 00:04:36.680 first stop for who would become Terry the Hulk Boulder. 90 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:38.959 We're still in the birth of Hulk Hogan phase of 91 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:42.040 tchh Boss because he has yet to be named Hulk Hogan. 92 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:43.480 That's so crazy. 93 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:46.399 But as we'll get to we'll explain what else was 94 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:49.199 happening in Coco Beach that we didn't talk about last time, 95 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:51.519 that very much laid the foundation for him to become, 96 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:54.639 to say the very least, a hulking figure to wrestling 97 00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:57.560 promoters down there, in particular promoter Ron Fuller and his 98 00:04:57.600 --> 00:05:01.000 booker Louie Tillette, who were really the first to run 99 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:04.279 with the Hulk Cogan ball, as it were. And if 100 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:08.000 you thought that we have turned over things you didn't 101 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:10.879 know about Hulk Hogan up to this point, you ain't 102 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:15.680 seen nothing yet because you I can't tell you how 103 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:19.560 fucking excited I've been. Oh no, since I first understood 104 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:25.079 all of this. To tell you, it's all in nineteen 105 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:28.920 seventy nine. Yeah, this idea that like Hull Coogan slowly 106 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:31.199 worked his way into the wrestling business, went to work 107 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:34.560 for Vince Senior, and over several years chase Stadium and 108 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:38.040 became this in Japan, became this top player. Every single 109 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:40.120 thing that Hulk Cogan never did that was of consequence 110 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:42.759 in his career. He did first in nineteen seventy nine 111 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:43.439 in Alabama. 112 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:43.680 Wow. 113 00:05:43.839 --> 00:05:45.680 And it was like the four month run. 114 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:49.079 And almost nobody knew anything about the details of this, 115 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:52.759 which again lap serendipity in full effect until Ron Fuller, 116 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:56.399 the promoter down there, brother of Robert Fuller aka Pearl 117 00:05:56.480 --> 00:05:59.560 Robert Parker, Yes, came out with the podcast It's called 118 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:01.959 The stud CA asked Jesus Christ, We've got to say, 119 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:04.839 right off the top highest recommendation for no other reason 120 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:06.959 than he is talking about a period of history that 121 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:09.879 is so underdocumented, that so much a period of history, 122 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:14.240 but a location, a territory, right, very small, very humble territory, 123 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:16.920 so small it almost it almost confuses you as to 124 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:20.399 like where it starts and ends. Think about Pensacola, Doti. 125 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:22.600 I mean, that's the thing I couldn't even tell you. 126 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:25.879 I couldn't even I couldn't even tell you one thing 127 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:28.439 that I've ever learned about Alabama. 128 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:31.720 Yep, in the state, not alone. I mean, well, right, 129 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:35.839 I mean, I mean the territory I got you. Well, 130 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:37.439 I know, I know, but it's funny you mentioned that 131 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:39.639 because you know, over the summer. I forget if I 132 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:41.800 even talked about this with you or not, but you know, 133 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:46.000 we did one of one of my my wife's clients, 134 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:49.120 wells a couple of clients were in shows one and 135 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:50.480 well it was when I went to Saint Louis, So 136 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:52.000 you know this, Yeah, when I went to Saint Louis 137 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:53.560 and then all of a sudden, I was in Alabama 138 00:06:53.639 --> 00:06:56.040 for like an hour because we want to go see 139 00:06:56.480 --> 00:06:59.439 a show in Alabama. And so it was really like 140 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:04.560 a very fucking funny like that. That's it. That's I've 141 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:06.319 been to Alabama. I don't even never need to go again. 142 00:07:06.399 --> 00:07:08.319 We have had a longer than I have. I'm good, 143 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:10.839 right exactly, That's just it. You know, I've been there. 144 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:12.480 I was there for like five hours top. 145 00:07:12.560 --> 00:07:16.360 Well, I'm confident and saying if you had heard what 146 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:18.199 we're about to talk about on this next leg of 147 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:18.879 the joy would. 148 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:20.639 Have gone for I would have gone for a jaunt. 149 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:24.279 You would have had many pilgrimages in mind, because the 150 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:26.959 things that Terry Bolea did for the first time in 151 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:31.720 pro wrestling, in this little nook and cranny of the 152 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:34.720 wrestling territorial system as it existed in nineteen seventy nine, 153 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:37.720 boggles the mind. Can I just ask you, boss, what 154 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:42.360 if I told you that in his first four or 155 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:45.240 five months in the business he started the nWo in 156 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:50.120 the Alabama Hulk Hogan challenged for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship. 157 00:07:50.160 --> 00:08:02.000 What the fuck? What? What like the Icen's plate belt? Correct? 158 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:06.040 What if I told you that the first ever Hulk 159 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:08.279 Cogan under the Giant match took place in his first 160 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:13.800 four months back in the business. I can't fucking handle that. 161 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:16.560 That one. I can't That's not that's not fair. That's 162 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:18.639 not fair. What if that's not fair? If I told 163 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:21.800 you it's not fair? To flare the nineteen ninety three 164 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:23.920 King of the Ring finish with the flash camera first 165 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:27.240 happened in nineteen seventy nine in Alabama with him in 166 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:29.519 the ring, Are you fucking kidding me? 167 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:32.840 Or the first time he carried someone in his arms 168 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:35.360 like he did Miss Elizabeth on Saturday Night's Made Event 169 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:36.759 in the end with macho man. 170 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:41.120 To the back. He fucking he's been ripping. He's just 171 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:44.840 been copying the same shit over and over again since 172 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:47.440 day one. What have I told you? That? 173 00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:51.919 He ran into the inspiration for Hulkamania, the inspiration for 174 00:08:52.120 --> 00:08:55.840 cupping the ear, the inspiration for so many elements of 175 00:08:55.879 --> 00:08:58.080 what would come the Hulk Cogan character. And a wrestler 176 00:08:58.120 --> 00:08:59.759 by the name of Austin Idol who happened to come 177 00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:03.639 through coast when he was there. Jesus, it's all here, 178 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:06.960 so we potentially did have a Hogan Austin match. 179 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:11.519 Huh. Can somebody you could say that although he wasn't 180 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:14.879 Hogan yet, that's true. Good point. It's all here and 181 00:09:14.919 --> 00:09:23.879 it's all beer. I I am. I don't know that. 182 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:25.639 That's just too much for me. 183 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:29.320 And thanks to your stellar work. The last time we 184 00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:30.919 were with you in the Complete Hulk Cogan, a very 185 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:33.879 special available to all episode of Under the Cinemat and 186 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:36.320 we looked at the television pilot, the hour and a 187 00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:39.720 half cinematic treatment of Louf for Riigno's Incredible Hulk. For 188 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:42.720 a reason, because of the year that drops, it is 189 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:46.960 absolutely correlated with a wrestling promoter getting a look at 190 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:49.240 this Terry Ballet coming off the run in Cocoa Beach, 191 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:52.720 hanging and banging at Whitey's, taking as much steroids as 192 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:55.519 he could and saying, you know what, goddamn it, everyone's 193 00:09:55.519 --> 00:09:57.639 talking about the incredible Hulk and this louf for Urigno guy. 194 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:00.320 We got a wrestling Hulk right here. And it's here 195 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:03.919 in Alabama, here in the Gulf Coast that Terry Boley 196 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:07.960 is first presented to the world as the Hulk. The 197 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:14.480 Hulk folks here I am when Terry passes, thinking, oh 198 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:17.879 my god, there's so many things that so gradually became 199 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:20.840 true about this guy. You know, everyone saw it in 200 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:24.000 the beginning. He did it all in the beginning. He 201 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:26.759 showed his cards in the beginning. In terms of what 202 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:28.200 working promoters off of each other. 203 00:10:29.240 --> 00:10:34.000 Wow, well, it's funny too, because everyone kind of it 204 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:38.159 seems like, you know, if you're if you're smarter than 205 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:45.679 most in terms of wrestling knowledge, you generally uh paid 206 00:10:45.720 --> 00:10:48.759 tribute to vern for doing the Hull Cogan thing, right, 207 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:52.240 And what you're telling me is that that's bullshit. 208 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:56.480 Well, he hul Comania wasn't running wild because remember he 209 00:10:56.559 --> 00:11:01.600 was not Hulk Hogan. Sure, but basically like all the 210 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:04.840 Basically he had all the elements and then Vern just 211 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:08.000 jacked it up. Basically, it's wrong to say that Vern 212 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:11.399 saw Hulk Hogan and Hulk Cogan. It's accurate to say 213 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:13.919 Ron Fuller and Louis to Lett saw Hulk Hogan and 214 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:17.679 Hulkong because I think we open and shut the brisco 215 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:20.000 Yes say that. I think we opened and shut the 216 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:21.919 case and Eddie Graham and the Briscos, as much as 217 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:25.000 the revisionist history plays into it, they did not see 218 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:27.320 the biggest star in the history of the business when 219 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:30.000 Terry Bully was getting shuffled around the territory with shit 220 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:32.399 dates where he was basically losing more money than he 221 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:34.600 was making because he was traveling so far as Super 222 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:37.799 Destroyer under the hood and being put out there for 223 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:40.039 the locker room's amusement because he didn't know how to 224 00:11:40.039 --> 00:11:41.879 go more than fifteen minutes without gassing. 225 00:11:42.399 --> 00:11:42.960 I think we. 226 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:49.679 Brian Blair himself, who's incredibly diplomatic about stuff like this, 227 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:52.720 did indeed do us the service when we talked to 228 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:55.120 him recently in the complete Hulk Cogan of affirming that 229 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:57.639 that was pretty much the case and pretty much how 230 00:11:57.879 --> 00:12:01.120 Terry Bulays upside in the professional business was viewed by 231 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:05.039 those who quote unquote broke him in spectacular and it's 232 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:07.720 all going to come back around. And all those motherfuckers 233 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:12.000 who didn't see it and snickered behind his back and 234 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:14.200 just saw him as some kind of whipping boy and 235 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:16.960 some kind of tool or someone like a dusty who 236 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:19.840 wanted to keep him away from the hesterly and pretend 237 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:22.960 he wasn't worthy. This motherfucker is going to find a 238 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:28.000 way to be undeniable as a drawing card in the 239 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:32.320 smallest little area possible. You couldn't contain what this guy's 240 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:35.279 charisma could do if you just leaned into letting him 241 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:38.600 be the centerpiece of your company. We're off to the races. 242 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:41.000 We are very much off to the races. So this 243 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:43.919 is so exciting. I mean, even five years ago, a 244 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:46.240 lot of the stuff we're about to convey to you 245 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:49.360 about Terry Bully's first year in the business after the 246 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:52.519 hiatus wouldn't be known and possible to anywhere near the 247 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:56.080 degree of specificity if it weren't for Ron Fuller's podcast. 248 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:00.600 Because before he did that, there's a com leete dearth 249 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:06.679 of video footage. There's a complete lack of any real good, 250 00:13:06.759 --> 00:13:10.080 solid like newspaper coverage because it's such a small area. 251 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:15.679 I mean, we're talking Dothan, Mobile, Montgomery, Pensacola, and that's 252 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:18.320 pretty much it. That's pretty much the hilaria. Now, Ron 253 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:22.320 Fuller also owned the Knoxville, Tennessee territory as well, but 254 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:24.159 that was kind of separate and distinct, though he owned 255 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:27.039 both of them. One was called Southeastern Gulf Coast, which 256 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:29.440 is those Alabama cities I mentioned, and the other was 257 00:13:29.480 --> 00:13:32.480 called Southeastern Knoxville, which eventually went on to be the 258 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:35.080 territory that Angela Pafo would buy into and take over 259 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:38.360 and where Machu Man would get his got No sheltlog group. 260 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:40.440 And what's a real thrill as as part of nineteen 261 00:13:40.440 --> 00:13:42.080 seventy nine and the Complete Hulk Coogan We're going to 262 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:45.120 be built, tell the story about the famous Plan B tape, 263 00:13:45.159 --> 00:13:47.440 the Knoxville War. I bet you've never heard anything about this. 264 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:49.559 I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. It's 265 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:52.639 incredibly germane to where Hulk Cogan found himself, for Terry 266 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:55.279 Bolea found himself in terms of like taking off in 267 00:13:55.320 --> 00:13:57.480 this territory, but at a time that the territory was 268 00:13:57.679 --> 00:14:01.200 just focused on other things, fighting for its battling an 269 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:03.279 outlaw group that was trying to basically put them out 270 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:06.159 of business and take the territory from Ron Fuller, and 271 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:08.120 doing all kinds of things that you do in a 272 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:10.039 territorial wrestling war of the seventies. 273 00:14:10.519 --> 00:14:14.919 So I I want to talk to somebody, Okay, I 274 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:18.840 want to talk to somebody as you do. Who who 275 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:24.159 was from you know, Alabama, watching wrestling in Alabama. Who 276 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:34.000 saw Hogan versus Andre okay in Alabama, and and I 277 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:38.000 want to ask them about what they thought when the 278 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:40.639 w was promoting promoting it as being, you know, the 279 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:45.679 first time ever. I want, I want to know. I 280 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:47.080 need to I need that. 281 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:50.840 I need it because it's so it's such a small 282 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:54.679 area of the country. The television didn't even reach more 283 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:57.799 than like four cities, right, maybe it was more than that, 284 00:14:57.799 --> 00:14:59.519 but as I've heard Ron Fuller describe it, I try 285 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:01.279 to pay a clip attention as I could. That seemed 286 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:04.159 to roughly be the coverage area. You're talking about a 287 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:07.200 sliver of a sliver of a territory. Right when we 288 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:09.960 think about you know, Crockett or Georgia or I mean, 289 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:14.879 I know one person, I know one person from Alabama, 290 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:17.120 one person, and there was no fucking way that they 291 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:19.960 were watching wrestling. And it was because of that. In 292 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:22.000 a lot of ways, it was because of that smallness 293 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:24.279 and because of that sort of upstart nature of this 294 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:27.720 of this part of the country. Under Ron Fuller, who 295 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:29.600 had just bought in at a very young age, he 296 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:31.440 became an owner of a territory pretty much younger than 297 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:34.200 anybody ever have in the history of the NWA. He's 298 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:38.200 forced to find and make new stars because there's just 299 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:42.159 not a dearth of marketable guys there for him to 300 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:45.440 really reliably draw crowds, and it's small enough territory that 301 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:47.759 they can't really get a ton of reliable dates on 302 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:50.200 the NBA Champion, which is always right, you know, a 303 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.399 way to really make your year from a box office 304 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:55.559 receipts perspective. So it's going to be so fascinating to 305 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:58.240 not only talk about how Terry bollayup hits his stride 306 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:00.600 in Alabama, but because of everything else that was going 307 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:03.320 on in Alabama. It wasn't really appreciated at the time, 308 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:06.519 and it wasn't really the sole focus of the decision 309 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:08.720 makers and the power players in that area at the time, 310 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:11.240 and how Hulk just sort of slipped. He just kind 311 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:13.759 of you just kind of yed it out the back door. 312 00:16:13.879 --> 00:16:17.720 You see you later, And thanks for the memories. So 313 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:20.000 it's all here, it's all beer, it's all garage beer. 314 00:16:20.559 --> 00:16:23.080 Leave the memories alone. We won't. In fact, we're gonna 315 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:24.840 cop the top. 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I I, 453 00:22:55.920 --> 00:22:58.400 like I said, like I said before, I was actually 454 00:22:58.519 --> 00:23:00.960 uh uh a little disupp it to myself for not 455 00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:05.279 really you know, for not not considering that to begin with, 456 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:06.920 Like to me that like, I didn't even have that 457 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:09.720 on the list, but of course it makes absolute sense, 458 00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:12.720 and I am I'm so thrilled that you, uh, that 459 00:23:12.759 --> 00:23:15.160 you sprung it on me to do that, because it 460 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:17.359 needed to be done. It absolutely needed to be done. 461 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:19.880 What surprised you coming away all the work you did 462 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:26.759 understanding Luigo and what the whole character was really it, 463 00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:30.440 It was what surprised me was actually. 464 00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:37.359 The the the the serendipity in terms of the people 465 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:41.720 involved and Hull Cogan and how we kind of as 466 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:45.920 we were going through it, we realized how similar some 467 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:49.119 of these lives were to Hull Cogan's and how you know, 468 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:52.000 there was a lot of stuff that that almost seemed 469 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:56.400 like Hogan maybe lifted it from Luf Forigno from resolutely 470 00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:00.440 from his past. You know, it made me question the 471 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:03.160 history that we know, even more so than for. 472 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:05.480 Those who haven't had the chance to listen. What jumps 473 00:24:05.720 --> 00:24:09.160 to your mind first in that regard the the childhood stuff, 474 00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:14.119 the childhood stuff and the story about uh being I mean, 475 00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:18.200 really about being this this this wimp. You know, they 476 00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:20.240 keep talking about Louf Forarno being a whim, but yet 477 00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:23.920 he's he's an athlete and he's playing baseball and he's 478 00:24:23.960 --> 00:24:25.640 a slugger and stuff like that, and it kind of 479 00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:28.039 it made me think of obviously the baseball with Hogan, 480 00:24:28.119 --> 00:24:30.839 but also made me think about how Hogan kept talking 481 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:34.680 about how he was this this shy, non athletic guy, 482 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:37.880 but yet he played sports. So it's just like, well, 483 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:40.599 wait a minute, what how do you like I don't 484 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:44.200 understand that mentality. But you know this and also too, 485 00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:51.200 they they both they they they both adapt these this, this, 486 00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:55.640 these histories, you know, or adopt these histories that they've 487 00:24:56.200 --> 00:25:00.039 kind of not necessarily that they're completely untrue, but that they've. 488 00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:04.200 They've kind of tweaked you know, here and there and 489 00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:06.279 kind of like, you know, well, if I say this, 490 00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:08.160 it actually makes the story sound a little bit better 491 00:25:08.519 --> 00:25:13.200 and not necessarily completely true, not completely false, but it 492 00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:16.400 it it helps, it helps their image and their story 493 00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:19.680 better if it's told a little different and you know 494 00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:21.599 a little bit more in this particular way. 495 00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:23.640 How much k Fee is involved in Pumping Iron the 496 00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:27.359 movie exactly. Lugno first came into the public consciousness next 497 00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:29.920 to Arnold Schwarzenegger and just the way his dad was 498 00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:32.720 like not knew nothing about bodybuilding, but had to pretend 499 00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:35.119 to know about bodybuilding because that's what the producers wanted. 500 00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:38.359 It was an overbearing dad. And then just hearing about 501 00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:41.599 the parallels of Lufrigno's life in Hulkogan's life and stan 502 00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:45.160 Lee as as Vince McMahon to the character or oh, 503 00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:49.640 just amazing, just amazing, and the fact that of course 504 00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:50.599 these streams would very much. 505 00:25:50.960 --> 00:25:53.440 And that's the same too. The history is the stan 506 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:56.279 Lee's history is also put in a question, you know, 507 00:25:56.839 --> 00:25:58.799 you know, in terms of what's real and what's not. 508 00:25:58.839 --> 00:26:02.440 I mean, it's all it all, it's it's the same, 509 00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:05.799 it's the same thing, same you know, shame, same shit, 510 00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:08.599 different toilet based on Bruce Banner aka David Banner as 511 00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:11.119 they call him for some reason, bullshit on the TV 512 00:26:11.200 --> 00:26:15.079 series as Terry Blea. And you've got exactly credible hull 513 00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:18.359 his hull Cogan right right, and he hulks up and 514 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:22.400 the shirt ripping, and it's oh, there was so much 515 00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:25.119 in there that I never even that I never even 516 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:31.319 thought about, honestly, the posing all that shit, Like I 517 00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:34.680 was like, my god, like that really so much of 518 00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:39.920 of of Hulk Hogan was taken I'll say inspired loosely 519 00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:42.920 but definitely taken from The Incredible Hulk. And you know, 520 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:46.400 wrestling fans, longtime Hulking maniacs, know, like at the end 521 00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:49.240 of the copyright screen of any WWF cassette tape or anything, 522 00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:53.960 it says copyright Marvel Comics. Oh, even even his Hasbro figure. God, 523 00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:57.920 all right, even his Hasbro figure had it. And we're 524 00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:00.640 not going to miss something on a Hasbro casing. No, 525 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:03.039 not at all. And I always wondered, like, why the 526 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:04.799 fuck does Marvel get credit on this thing. 527 00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:06.640 That's definitely a through line on the complete hul Cogan 528 00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:09.960 is how did this this intellectual property volley work between 529 00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:12.960 Terry Bullay and Marvel Comics and eventually the WWF, Because 530 00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:14.920 by the time we get to WrestleMania one and hul 531 00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:17.319 Cogan is on the tip of everybody's tongue and a 532 00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:19.880 mainstream American success story, they all of a sudden find 533 00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:23.519 themselves having to have some serious discussions with Marvel Comics 534 00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:25.599 around how this is going to work from a legal perspective. 535 00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:28.119 And it starts way before the hul Cogan and the 536 00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:30.519 WWF or even the hul Cogan and the WWWF that 537 00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:32.920 we talked about it starts here in Alabama, it starts 538 00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:35.480 in Memphis, his first territories where they're not they're not 539 00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:37.640 calling him Hulk Cogan that they are calling him straight 540 00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:40.200 up the Incredible Hulk. They are calling him. 541 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:43.440 And the Hulk and and right or or you know, 542 00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:46.319 like if some of the news articles that I read 543 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:51.519 on on the Cinemat episode would the you know, Wrestling's Hulk, Yes, 544 00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:54.960 they would call him, you know, the the the something, 545 00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:58.519 you know, both of his of his names around this 546 00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:01.119 time period, they they would call him the Hulk. It 547 00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:04.319 wasn't just Terry the Hulk Boulder, which surprised me. I 548 00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:08.960 think the Hulk Wrestling's Hulk, Sterling Golden was also equally 549 00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:11.799 surprising to me. Yeah, that's a collation he didn't think 550 00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:15.759 ever happened, never, never, not once. I think one of 551 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:17.720 the surprises of this episode is going to be the 552 00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:21.039 revelation I think that Ron Fuller was calling him Sterling 553 00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:23.640 Golden before he was calling him Terry the Hulk Boulder. 554 00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:26.599 I can't, I can't. At least he. 555 00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:29.119 Was being called Sterling Golden by a manager that he 556 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:32.160 had in the Gulf Coast territory, Terry Bully was and 557 00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:34.400 that actually served as part of the basis of why 558 00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:37.519 he turned babyface and became a babyface sensation there for 559 00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:39.720 the first time, was because he insisted on being called 560 00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:42.319 Terry the Hulk Boulder and not Sterling Golden, which of 561 00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:43.720 course is a name he would go on to use 562 00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:47.960 later in nineteen seventy nine after leaving the Alabama territory 563 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:50.720 and making his way for short lived and at Georgia 564 00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:53.720 Championship Wrestling at Sterling Golden all that to come first, I. 565 00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:58.599 Mean, and that's why fucking Jimmy Barnett would call him 566 00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:02.720 Sterling forever called fucking Sterling. The end of it, well well, 567 00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:06.400 well beyond, well beyond is that time to the end 568 00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:06.920 of his days? 569 00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:11.200 Sterling for sure. I love those blonde locks, no question 570 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:14.279 about that. And you know, I think seventy nine, Okay, 571 00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:17.799 that's one episode. No, No, it's all in seventy nine. 572 00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:20.880 It is all of the raw material, all of the 573 00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:23.279 launch points for everything that came to, all the smack 574 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:27.279 material material, it's all very much there, and we're just 575 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:28.920 going to get started and we're just going to plow 576 00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:30.759 through it like you know we can, and you know 577 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:32.880 we need to. We're put on Earth to do this. 578 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:34.599 We're put on Earth for the shelf life, not for 579 00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:38.000 the now, but for the future. Because you know, you 580 00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:40.400 got to think of it as people talk about what 581 00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:42.720 would alien life forms think when they landed on this 582 00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:45.839 planet and saw, you know, a vestige of humanity left behind. 583 00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:47.799 What would they turn to? That's a word that that's 584 00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:50.240 the exercise we're engaged in. We want to leave something 585 00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:53.039 behind that the aliens in the future can listen to 586 00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:55.440 and understand. Oh, so this is what pro wrestling was. 587 00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:58.039 This is why people were obsessed with this home Cogan. 588 00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:00.680 That's where our vision is. It's not on the here 589 00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:04.400 and now and the wants and needs of people addicted 590 00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:06.839 to junk food in the form of junk food podcasting 591 00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:10.960 co chairs are nourishing for the long term, and we're 592 00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:13.640 doing it hard, and we're doing it straightforward, and we're 593 00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:15.839 doing it in no small part because folks like you 594 00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:19.359 contribute on Patreon and say, here's fuel for the engine. 595 00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:21.960 I mean, we're getting a lot out of this that 596 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:24.960 you actually deserve something instead of us just just sucking 597 00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:27.799 on free content all day. Like somehow the model that 598 00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:29.960 took hold in the past fifteen years finally being turned 599 00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:32.640 over and we were at the vanguard of that, and yeah, 600 00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:36.000 it all makes it worth it, and we give you 601 00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:37.799 so much more for your Patreon dollar. Of course, we 602 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:39.720 mentioned that the live calls coming up under the cinema 603 00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:42.400 continues to pace Wrestle Mamia with the boss Man's Mom 604 00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:45.279 going back to the living room carpet Saturday morning vibes 605 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:47.640 of your wrestling childhood. It's all very much there and 606 00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:50.039 rolling out in no small part thanks to our patrons 607 00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:52.680 and so many other members of the Solar System who participated. 608 00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:55.240 Soon to hit a podcast feed near you. It's the 609 00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:56.720 holiday season. It's the unwrapping. 610 00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:58.039 Oh yes, yes it is. 611 00:30:58.079 --> 00:30:59.960 No chairmen have gathered, We have opened to the gate. 612 00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:02.720 If Solar Systems store up on us, they are amazing, 613 00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:06.119 they are touching, they are strange, they are exciting. They 614 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:07.960 are the Unwrappening twenty twenty five. 615 00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:11.759 They are they they really do. They fit into that 616 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:17.880 mold so much, so much. All those all those descriptions 617 00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:20.880 are completely accurate, and you co Cher is of course accurate. 618 00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:23.119 Part of gathering for the unwrapping hit the road for 619 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:25.400 the last time is now, the lapsed time is now. 620 00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:27.920 As we were live in attendance, for John Cena's final 621 00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:30.039 wrestling appearance at the Ted Garden in Boston. We did 622 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:32.200 a special podcast for you as part of that. Yes, 623 00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:34.880 also made possible by the fact that we had plans 624 00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:36.920 to get together the night before for the unwrappening and 625 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:37.319 it just. 626 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:40.119 Worked out beautifully. Yep, it did. It was perfect. 627 00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:43.160 We do know Solar System members still sending in gifts. 628 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:45.640 They can't help it. Yes, yeah, no, there are still 629 00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:48.519 gifts coming in, so we will. You know, there could 630 00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:51.759 be some some remote some remote recordings for sure leading 631 00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:54.880 up to the big Christmas Day, but it is going 632 00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:56.480 to be uh you know, it's it's a it's in 633 00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:59.920 a wrapping, it's an it's an unwrappening for the ages without. 634 00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:00.960 A Dame, Thank you very much. 635 00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:03.160 And yeah, it's definitely gonna be the twenty five Days 636 00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:05.720 of Christmas, even more so this year around the Solar System, 637 00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.039 as we're proud to once again present the most beloved 638 00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:12.039 holiday tradition and alive podcasting, not just wrestling podcasting. I 639 00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:14.000 put it up against any tradition you'll ever hear of 640 00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:16.480 the en rapping. I agree, I agree, continues a pace. 641 00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:19.160 Your co chairs are the big fat thumbs up. The 642 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:21.559 big fucking thumbs up and a lot of the material 643 00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:24.599 we're going to get through here a huge shout out 644 00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:26.720 to one of the most intrepid Solar System members I've 645 00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:29.680 ever encountered, Matt, who just has done so much gathering 646 00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:31.079 for us, and we're really going to be able to 647 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:34.000 reap the fruits of that because we've got we've got 648 00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:37.759 the material we need to march chronologically through Hulk and 649 00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:41.559 with Gulf Coast. It's tough because, like I said, and 650 00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:44.119 this is you're going to be so frustrated by this 651 00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:46.359 by the time we're done with this part of his life. 652 00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:50.759 The lack of video that has survived, I mean, if 653 00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:52.599 you've seen the Clay, then we're gonna watch it of 654 00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:55.319 Hulk arm wrestling Andre in Alabama. It came out on 655 00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:57.839 a home video release called Wrestling Gold by Kit Parker 656 00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:00.880 Films in the late nineties. Part of you know, though 657 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:03.599 the attitude era of videos that were flooding Fye and stuff. 658 00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:05.400 A lot of people saw this for the first time. 659 00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:08.799 It gave you this, this inkling, this this scintillating hint 660 00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:10.839 that there was a deep archive of all of this 661 00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:12.960 Gulf Coast television that no one knew how to find. 662 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:13.880 No, it's nowhere. 663 00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:16.480 Run Fuller doesn't have stuff from what Hulk was there 664 00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:19.599 in nineteen seventy nine because. 665 00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:22.240 Everyone because you know, I mean, this is the travesty. 666 00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:28.960 That is travesty. Yes, that is professional wrestling probably you 667 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:33.160 know pre uh, I don't know. I don't know when 668 00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:36.039 it really became a thing where people are like, you know, 669 00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:37.880 we get an archive of our shit. I mean, I 670 00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:40.839 know WWE was doing it forever, so I don't count them, 671 00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:43.400 but I mean in terms of general, like we need 672 00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:45.920 to archive our shit. I don't know when that started. 673 00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:49.599 But this is definitely not then. And we've heard it 674 00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:54.880 so many times that they just reused tapes. They wouldn't 675 00:33:54.920 --> 00:33:58.160 fucking record over their shit. They would not there, there 676 00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:01.400 was no there was no reason in their mind to 677 00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:05.880 archive this stuff. And it's it's a fucking travesty because 678 00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.000 you know, we need it. 679 00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:12.480 Yeah, And that's such a hand to mouth business back then, 680 00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:15.639 such a week to week Dog eat Dog, Survival of 681 00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:18.960 the Fittest, you know, yep, it's like it's a run. 682 00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:21.159 First thing we played you on the Complete Hull Code 683 00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:23.480 in the very first episode was him in confidence talking 684 00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:26.119 to those marketing guys about life is a series of runs. 685 00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:28.559 So if you think of your life as just a 686 00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:30.320 series of runs, and as soon as something hits, you're 687 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:32.440 starting to think about how to exit, right with you 688 00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:36.239 with your fortune intact, right, that's the way your mind 689 00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:38.199 has been programmed to work, and how you've been programmed 690 00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:40.360 to think about earning money. Last thing you're going to 691 00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:42.519 think about is preserving the things you're doing, because it's 692 00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:44.639 on to the next hustle, it's onto the next territory, 693 00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:46.480 it's onto the next gimmick or whatever it might take 694 00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:49.519 to keep the money flowing. And yeah, it is true. 695 00:34:49.519 --> 00:34:50.960 The last thing you think about it is like, oh man, 696 00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:54.760 we really need to savor this. Fortunately for us. Ron 697 00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:58.800 Fuller is part of his studcast has detailed notes that 698 00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:01.239 he's able to refer to how all of the television 699 00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:04.199 played out leading through all of Terry Boulay's run, and 700 00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:07.199 he has after going back even further and he reads it, 701 00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:08.599 he reads it off in kind of a week two 702 00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:11.400 week fashion. It's it's a really it's kind of like 703 00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:13.599 the highest and best example of what to do with 704 00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:16.159 an old veteran wrestler who who's interested in doing a 705 00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:19.039 podcast like this is what you owe wrestling history is 706 00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:21.920 to just march through systematically and to give no fucks 707 00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:24.280 about anything but making sure it's all said and done. 708 00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:27.119 And we're the beneficiaries of that here in the complete 709 00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:28.760 Hull Cogan Because like I said, if Hulk died five 710 00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:30.119 years ago, wouldn't be able to do this part of 711 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:31.440 his life like this, We wouldn't be able to do 712 00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:34.519 this incredibly seminal part of his wrestling career in wrestling 713 00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:35.400 development like this. 714 00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:38.159 But it's all there. I mean, we probably mightn't even 715 00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:40.239 is it safe to say that we mightn't even know 716 00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:45.280 that seventy nine is the is like the year we. 717 00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:47.079 Would know he had the matches he had because you 718 00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:49.239 know in his but we would we know all the 719 00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:51.920 stuff that you told, like in terms of rights discovering 720 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:54.679 the whole Cogan attribute to the stuff like that. No, 721 00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:57.559 I don't think we'd appreciate how he got over. Not 722 00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:00.360 we'd appreciate that he got over because of who he 723 00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:02.960 was wrestling. And there are prominence in the territory and 724 00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:05.840 in his match record and match listings for this territory 725 00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:07.320 have been out there, even though as we'll get to 726 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.719 they don't exactly match up with the very detailed notes 727 00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:13.079 that Ron Fuller has about dates and times and places, 728 00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:13.800 which you know. 729 00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:14.400 Is I never do. 730 00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:17.639 Now that's a huge it's a huge issue with any 731 00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:21.039 kind of database of wrestling results. Is you know, if 732 00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:23.440 you're lucky enough that a newspaper in the area used 733 00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:25.400 to make it their business to cover the matches and 734 00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:28.559 the results every Tuesday or whatever the day was after 735 00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:31.199 the matches and the sports pages, then you've struck gold. 736 00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:33.679 You have kind of contemporaneous accounts of what the match 737 00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:35.800 results were. But when you don't have that, which is 738 00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:38.000 pretty much the case here. If there was a paper 739 00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:40.480 regularly covering what was happening in Gulf Coast and publishing 740 00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:43.559 the day after the matches, those newspapers aren't archived in 741 00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:47.519 the way so many other newspapers have been archived these days. 742 00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:49.400 So you kind of have to piece it together by 743 00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:52.000 little snippets that make it in sort of like feature 744 00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:56.760 style advertising style things as opposed to match results reporting, 745 00:36:57.280 --> 00:37:00.840 and so the dates and times in the towns even 746 00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:03.760 get a little confused and backward. We saw this when 747 00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:06.199 we went through his short lived CWF run in Florida. 748 00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:08.119 I mean, Brian Blair is supposed to be on the 749 00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:10.280 card that Hull Cogan, a super Destroyer, had his first 750 00:37:10.280 --> 00:37:12.480 match against Aunt Serrano. He not only does he not 751 00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:15.400 remember Hulkogan wrestling before he wrestled him, which is supposed 752 00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:17.159 to be his third match, the second match was also 753 00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:19.400 supposed to be against Brian Blair, who, Brian Blair himself 754 00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:22.360 doesn't remember that fucking match exactly. Brian Blair was on 755 00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:25.159 the card where Hogan wrestled Serrano, and what the newspapers 756 00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:28.119 reported was as a late replacement as we talked about 757 00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.079 for Wolfman Smith, and Brian Blair doesn't remember that either, 758 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:35.920 and he was behind the curtain. So it's unbelievable. But 759 00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:38.599 there are published accounts out there that lead to these 760 00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:42.360 wrestling databases putting things in there, logging things in these results, 761 00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:44.440 and it's like you come around, it's like, no, it's 762 00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:46.400 actually it was a month later, it was two months later, 763 00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:49.519 the other guy won, or this wasn't there or wasn't 764 00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:52.559 happening in this way. And even here Ron Fuller go 765 00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:54.559 through it chronologically, there's a couple of things that he 766 00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:57.039 kind of either breezes over or doesn't realize, such as 767 00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:01.000 Hull Cogan going to work in Memphis during the time 768 00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:03.480 he was with Gulf Coast. Ron Fuller makes it sound 769 00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:05.800 like Holkovin doesn't go anywhere near Memphis until he gives 770 00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:08.320 us notice to Gulf Coast, but in fact, a closest 771 00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:11.760 examination and we do have contemporaneous newspaper accounts to support 772 00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:13.639 this out of Memphis, which was much more robust and 773 00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:15.599 covering what was happening, of course, and one of the 774 00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:20.079 most prominent wrestling territories rating for rating per capita in 775 00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:23.199 the country. Yes, indeed, Terry Boley I was absolutely in 776 00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:26.320 the Mid South Coliseum, absolutely wrestling in Memphis when he 777 00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:28.119 was still in the midst of his Gulf Coast run 778 00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:30.480 and going back and forth. For reasons that will make 779 00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:32.280 a lot of sense is Ron Fuller gets into how 780 00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:35.400 his brother Robert Fuller Occuronel Robert Parker, it's actually booking 781 00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:38.199 for Jerry Jarrett and Jerry Lawler in Memphis during what 782 00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:40.960 this time period in seventy nine. Oh yeah, it's the 783 00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:44.519 Welch family man their lineage, in their history. This business 784 00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:47.000 goes back further than any other tribe that really has 785 00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:48.679 ever existed. I mean, you go all the way back 786 00:38:48.679 --> 00:38:50.960 to like Herb Welch, and we we're talking like the twenties, 787 00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:53.719 the tens. This family has been involved not only as 788 00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:58.079 active wrestlers, but as territorial owners and bookers and executives 789 00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:01.159 in the wrestling business. It's just like you can't get 790 00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:04.039 to like until you get to like nineteen ninety. The 791 00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:08.320 Fullers are involved somewhere running things, orchestrating things, pulling strings 792 00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:11.119 at some wrestling office, and making moves in that regard. 793 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.199 So that's gonna be fun too as an orientation to 794 00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:17.760 what the Fullers contributed because they're an underappreciated family I 795 00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:19.639 think in the business in terms of when you talk 796 00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:22.800 about the giants of territorial promoting, because the areas they 797 00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:26.039 ended up lording over ended up being relatively small compared 798 00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:28.960 to some of the major territories that resonated and really 799 00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:31.400 went to battle and went to war with Vince McMahon. 800 00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:33.960 So I'm excited to talk about all that and much more. 801 00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:37.199 We got to go back to Cocoa Beach, though, because 802 00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:39.599 we've got to rev that engine and say by to 803 00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:41.079 White East for the last time, don't we? 804 00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:47.039 I mean I think we do. I mean, you can't 805 00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:48.400 not go back to Cocoa Beach. 806 00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:53.320 Back in Cocoa Beach, brutus, beefcake, bouncing, weightlifting, and he decides, 807 00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:54.840 you know what, I want to wrestle? 808 00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:57.760 Oh boy, you know here I. 809 00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:00.480 Am body slamming patrons and pumping iron. It why d's 810 00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:02.880 makes me want to try this thing that my book 811 00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:05.960 mind Buddy Terry once tried and here's how he outlined 812 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.880 it in his book. During our downtime, I asked Terry 813 00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:10.679 if he could show me how to do some wrestling moves. 814 00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:13.079 He had no problem doing so because he was grateful 815 00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:14.679 for the hard work I'd been putting in. He was 816 00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:16.000 talking about, of course, at Anchor Club. 817 00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:21.840 Wait, so because Hogan is grateful for his hard work, 818 00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:23.519 He's going to show him wrestling holds. 819 00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:25.800 He's grateful for the hard work that ed Leslie's put 820 00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:26.599 in at Anchor Club. 821 00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:31.280 Yeah, who cares he does? Apparently it's a weird that's 822 00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:35.599 a weird repayment. Honestly, it's because it's very terrible. It's 823 00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:40.000 not money. Yeah, because because because because right, because like 824 00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:42.519 what is he he doesn't own Anchor Club? 825 00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:44.800 I know it does. 826 00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:46.440 It was Whitey who was like, I want to get 827 00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.119 this thing going can you help me? Can you? 828 00:40:48.400 --> 00:40:50.679 And Hogan reached out to his network because he knew 829 00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:52.679 we couldn't do what White he needed him to do alone. 830 00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:55.320 So it's almost like he was hiring almost like assistant 831 00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:58.159 managers in a way. It's just weird because he kind 832 00:40:58.159 --> 00:40:59.840 of knew what it would take to run the whole. 833 00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:03.599 It's still weird. That's still fucking weird. I had already 834 00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:05.800 taken judo beefcake rights. I knew how to do some 835 00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:08.800 judo throws and basic moves, which is just hilarious to 836 00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:11.559 think about. We set up some mats in the back 837 00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:13.519 of the gym and we were ready to go. 838 00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:17.880 I just love this, Oh Jesus Christ. In between, in between, 839 00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:22.719 you know, bar hopping and brother brewed, why don't you 840 00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:26.880 get some? Definitely call them bruteye, even though why don't 841 00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:27.239 you get some? 842 00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:29.320 Only have the masks, brother kind of laying them out 843 00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:31.480 and do this kind of take this thing in brother, 844 00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:32.119 see what we're gonna do. 845 00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:33.519 Dude, what do you think it might have sounded like 846 00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:35.719 in the Cocoa Beach heat as Terry Buley showed U 847 00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:37.360 at Leslie how to wrestle. 848 00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:42.960 You mean, miss sounds, he would have made yeah right, 849 00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:45.960 all right, brother, the first going to do dude, We're 850 00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:49.280 do we do sod heeadlo okay, all right, so I 851 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:51.480 want to do Why don't you get give me your 852 00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:55.280 head like spread shoulder with the part all right, exactly, dude. 853 00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:57.400 And then I'm gonna take my arm, all right, take 854 00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:09.280 a quick on my arm, gonna put aundre. You got that, brother? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. 855 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:12.639 It sounds like cocoa beach to me. I can. 856 00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:16.199 I can smell the the cocoa butter tanning oil. 857 00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:16.599 I can. 858 00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:21.440 We set up some mats at the back of the 859 00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:23.280 gym and we were ready to go. First, I learned 860 00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:25.760 the basics locking up, hitting the ropes. How do you 861 00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:26.559 learn hitting the ropes? 862 00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:29.440 It wasn't a way. How do you hit the rope? 863 00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:32.239 From Matt taking a slam? Then I made him show 864 00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:34.079 me how to throw an arm dragon, grab a hold. 865 00:42:34.280 --> 00:42:35.719 I had him show me how to do a headlock. 866 00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:38.239 I would watch things on TV and then ask for lessons. 867 00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:42.599 How do you grab a hole? I'm not sure how 868 00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:44.519 to do that one either. Yeah, what's the difference in 869 00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:46.440 grabbing a hold and doing a hold or putting on 870 00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:50.960 a hold? That was all I needed. So a new 871 00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:53.119 plant emerged. I took about a full year to train 872 00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:55.679 hard and get bigger than ever. I was excited about 873 00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:57.920 networking and tapping some contacts to eventually try to make 874 00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:00.239 my debut in the squared circle. I also pushed Terry 875 00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:02.239 to do the same. Right at my side, my newfound 876 00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:04.159 career path got me excited, and I think in my 877 00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:06.599 excitement at the idea also started to restore Terry's faith 878 00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:08.840 in wrestling to pursue his dream once again. So they're 879 00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:13.599 there once again success as many offers, Yeah you know, 880 00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:15.679 ed Leslie basis saying it's because of me. The whole 881 00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:18.039 coven got back into wrestling. It was a good thing, 882 00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:21.440 of course. Oh yeah, it was a good thing. We 883 00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:23.719 had a wrestling as a backup plan. As the saying goes, 884 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:25.960 all good things come to an end. One day, Whitey 885 00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:28.800 Bridges got married. You see, Whitey was about twice our age. 886 00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:31.400 When he tied the knot, everything changed. His priorities went 887 00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:33.400 in a whole other different direction, even though he was 888 00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:35.400 a weightlifter too. The moment he said I do, his 889 00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:37.960 wife was saying you don't. We were no longer his 890 00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:40.760 main priority. Wow, that's right, And we played second fiddle 891 00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:43.039 to his bride. She started pressuring him not to hang 892 00:43:43.039 --> 00:43:44.599 out with us. The writing was on the wall. The 893 00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:46.400 gym wasn't making any money and it was the first 894 00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:49.039 to go. After that, The Anchor Club was next. Actually, 895 00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:51.400 the Acre Club stayed open, as we chronicled in great 896 00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:55.480 detail last time, exactly just saw different managers. As another 897 00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:57.760 saying goes, when one door closes, another opens in front 898 00:43:57.800 --> 00:43:59.480 of you. As we were packing our bags to head 899 00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:01.480 back over to timp I told Terry he should entertain 900 00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:04.760 the possibility of wrestling again. He admitted that he was 901 00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:07.119 getting the itch again and made some phone calls. Eventually 902 00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:10.920 we got a call back from Harley Race. Okay, what 903 00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:15.199 now begins the stories of like the twelve people that 904 00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.519 these guys reached out to, it was one of twelve 905 00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:19.079 people they reached out to to get back into the 906 00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:21.159 wrestling business after the Cocoa Beach stint. You take your 907 00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:23.639 choices to which one you believe. Here here's here's Harley 908 00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:27.159 Race being suggested first, who talked about having us go 909 00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:30.840 to Kansas City. Now, remember Holke Hats said that part 910 00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:33.199 of the reason he skipped out on Florida Wrestling altogether 911 00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:36.039 is because when he went to the office with complaints 912 00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:38.159 about his pay and stuff, they said, we'll send you 913 00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:40.400 to Kansas City get some work there. And he was like, 914 00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:42.519 that's that's that's like a fuck you because as far 915 00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:44.880 as Hull Cogan was concerned, Tampa boy, that was Hickstown. 916 00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:47.480 He doesn't he basically doesn't want to leave me. The 917 00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:53.400 Florida isn't but isn't. Isn't Kansas City like a top territory, No, oh, 918 00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:56.639 no more Saint Louis. Kansas City was sort of like 919 00:44:56.679 --> 00:45:00.440 the backwater to the Saint Louis wrestling reperation. It wasn't 920 00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:02.719 a bad place to learn. Marty Jeanetty got started there, 921 00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:05.760 Scott Hall learned there, Shawn Michaels had some of his 922 00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:10.639 earliest experiences. That's Harley Races owned it. Yeah, but it 923 00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:14.960 wasn't a place. It wasn't really well paying territory. It 924 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.280 wasn't a glamorous place to go and live and traveling. 925 00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:20.119 It just wasn't a territory that anybody would pick to 926 00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:22.599 work in the business at that time. It just wasn't 927 00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:25.719 Bulldog Bob Brown was always the top guy over there 928 00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:29.559 or somebody like that. And what's his name and to 929 00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:33.280 be a president. Bob Geigel was in and around that area. Eventually, 930 00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:34.719 we got a call back from Harley Race, who talked 931 00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:37.159 about having us go to Kansas City. Harley enjoyed smashing 932 00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:39.079 beer cans on Terry's head in a bar when he 933 00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:41.280 was working for Ready in Florida. Harley liked the idea 934 00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:43.960 of doing so again. So what what it was? So 935 00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:46.960 what do you think should we go? Terry asked, absolutely, brother, 936 00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:47.480 I said to. 937 00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:54.920 That, well, wongle, Harley Race, dude, publish it's fund to 938 00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:58.840 kosher brothers. Sounds like you want I don't someone wants 939 00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:02.559 to hurt dude. I'm wrong, brother, I don't know about this. 940 00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:05.320 This Harley Race guy. You talked Harley, Oh yeah, I 941 00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:05.719 talked to him. 942 00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:05.920 Yeah. 943 00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:07.119 I mean, but yeah, I was looking. I was calling 944 00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:08.400 around see if anyone wanted to book it. 945 00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:09.559 What do you say about her? What do you I 946 00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:11.039 just said, we want to get to the business. We're 947 00:46:11.039 --> 00:46:12.480 excited and we're looking for a place to learn. And 948 00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:12.880 he said, we. 949 00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:14.840 Want to say we He said, you told we want 950 00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:16.639 to get in the business. Brother. Yeah, man, we've been 951 00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:19.320 talking about it. We've been working out You're you're talking 952 00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:22.599 for me. Now, dude, well he could he called me back? 953 00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:24.400 I mean he had your number two? But why is 954 00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:25.960 he calling you? Because I been I was calling around. 955 00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:28.239 I told you that already. Why didn't call Why didn't 956 00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:29.800 you call it round? I mean, if you if you 957 00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:32.559 called around here? Actually, this problem, this is well, I'm 958 00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:34.239 kind of like getting that. Dude, how do you know 959 00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:39.159 I didn't? And how does he know I didn't call him? 960 00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:41.239 Best question I have, brother, How does Holly Race know 961 00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:43.280 if I did or did not call it? I'm remembering 962 00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:45.880 something now. He told me that actually he's been calling 963 00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:48.159 Ruth because that's the only number he had, and I 964 00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:58.440 guess you never get the message ring ring, Hello, this 965 00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:08.119 is Harley Raised. Damn nice Harley, use some ribs with 966 00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:19.559 that meat loaf. I'm looking for a hul Cogan. Who 967 00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:25.280 a what a hulk? What? Who the fuck is this? 968 00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:28.199 My dog? It is Harley Race, Damon. I wanted to 969 00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:30.599 get on the Diamn line with with that son of 970 00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:35.159 a bitch hulk Hogan. There's no Hogan in this house. 971 00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:40.519 We're proud Italians. Well, yeah, what's your maiden name? 972 00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:49.480 He knows he calls Ruth OLA's house looking for Hulk Hogan, 973 00:47:49.559 --> 00:47:51.320 yet he knows her maiden name is Moody. 974 00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:56.400 I know who you are. I know exactly who you are. 975 00:47:56.400 --> 00:47:57.480 Don't fuck around with me. 976 00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:02.239 Look, I'm gonna encourage you to explore Harley as much 977 00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:04.719 as possible, because if you don't think Harley Race is 978 00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:08.280 an absolutely central character to Hulk Hogan's origin story, that 979 00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:13.599 you've got another thing coming pal. So yes, what he 980 00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:15.920 said to Ruth Blea on the phone in nineteen seventy 981 00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:21.000 nine and seventy eight is relevant. It is exactly how 982 00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:25.400 we're portraying it. Oh God, keep Pete in the background. Honey, 983 00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:25.840 who is that. 984 00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:33.880 Some asshole Okay named Harlan's Okay, what do you call me? 985 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.119 You're saying that damn thing? What's wrong with you? Betch 986 00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:43.119 Harlan's david Why are you calling some guy named Harlan 987 00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:47.159 Davidson's on the follow me a bitch? He just called 988 00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:49.199 me a bitch. What are you gonna do now? Oh, 989 00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:51.519 I'm gonna keep it. I think I'm gonna keep eating 990 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:54.119 this ice cream, honey, even though it was a cockroach, 991 00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:58.679 and I'm gonna keep eating it. You fuck hit all right? 992 00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:00.960 I want to know where Hogan is now and you're 993 00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:02.320 gonna tell me or I'm gonna come down there and 994 00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:04.639 I'm gonna smack it out of you. I want to 995 00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:05.440 know where Hogan is. 996 00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:09.440 Now, that's a way to welcome someone to come work 997 00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:11.199 for your territory. 998 00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:19.239 I'm not his I don't keep his messages. Terry, you're 999 00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:22.119 calling the wrong house anyway. But if you want to 1000 00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:25.360 talk to this Hall Hogan, you call him. Don't call 1001 00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:28.840 my house, are you all right? Don't call my house? 1002 00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:32.000 Someone said in Patreon. They put it well, they said, 1003 00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:33.639 I'm hearing a little bit of lap. 1004 00:49:33.440 --> 00:49:45.320 Sit and rude. Well, I'm gonna fuck you up raw Orlands, 1005 00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:48.440 I'm gonna fuck you up. I'm gonna b up you 1006 00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:52.039 to hell? All right, damn it. I was looking for 1007 00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:55.440 the last time I was looking for Paul Hogan. This 1008 00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:59.039 is Australia, right, I'm looking for Paul Paul Hogan talking 1009 00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:01.119 about Crocodile Dundee. He heard of them, Erry ripped off 1010 00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:03.480 the wrong movie star. He should have on Paul Hogan. 1011 00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:12.400 Crocodiles could be out out back Hogan, out back Hogan 1012 00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:19.960 crocodile Bill Gundee if they wanted to invite another lawsuit. 1013 00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:23.159 Oh god, so surprised they didn't. 1014 00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:25.400 Eventually we had a call back from Harley Race, who 1015 00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:27.599 talked to us about us having to go to Kansas City. 1016 00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:30.480 Harley enjoyed smashing beer. Okay, yep, so what anything should 1017 00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:33.880 we go? Absolutely? I said, this is when we came 1018 00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:36.679 up with the best idea in the world. At Leslie Wright's, 1019 00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:43.519 we would tell everyone that we actually were brothers. 1020 00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:47.760 This is the best idea ever. Yeah, what the what 1021 00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:48.079 the fuck? 1022 00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:50.159 We've been calling each other brother every ten seconds for 1023 00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:50.960 three years straight. 1024 00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:55.039 Mo things we got to hope, He'd say. We would 1025 00:50:55.039 --> 00:51:04.320 call each other hull Cogan. We would call each other lovers. 1026 00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:06.039 You know. 1027 00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:09.239 It's good though, Like, who's the last person you call brother? 1028 00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:10.280 Your actual brother? 1029 00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:12.599 So true? 1030 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:19.480 Oh good. Apparently this idea for Ed and Terry Boulder 1031 00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:22.320 to be brothers was hatched before they ever hit the 1032 00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:24.760 road as wrestlers. It was hatched in Cocoa Beach figuring 1033 00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:27.360 out what their next step was. We would tell everyone 1034 00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:30.280 at Leslie Wright's that we actually were brothers. We figured 1035 00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:32.400 if we had each other's backs, maybe we would be 1036 00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:35.280 taken seriously. No getting pissed on, nobody breaking your leg. 1037 00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:36.960 If someone wanted to mess with one of us, they 1038 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.079 would know they would have to deal with the other brother. 1039 00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:42.039 It made perfect sense. Before we accepted Hartley's offer, we 1040 00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:44.280 made yet another called the Jerry Jarrett in Memphis to 1041 00:51:44.320 --> 00:51:46.079 see if we could play the two promotions for some 1042 00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:50.000 better money. Yeah, I mean, I mean this just sounds 1043 00:51:50.079 --> 00:51:55.039 like like I guess, if there's one thing that I've 1044 00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:59.079 ever learned about the wrestling business and our nearly twelve 1045 00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:03.480 years of doing this, it's that I don't know, you 1046 00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:08.159 can't outsmart the guy in charge. Rarely can you outsmart 1047 00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:08.800 the guy in charge. 1048 00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:11.159 Right, you think you did, and the guy actually in 1049 00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:13.000 the back of his mind was willing to go even 1050 00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:13.760 higher than what he. 1051 00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:16.880 Offered you, right. And it also like I just can't 1052 00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:20.719 I can't see these guys like who cares? These guys 1053 00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:24.440 are so are so like bottom of the barrel bullshit 1054 00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:27.840 that who's gonna have who's gonna have a bidding war 1055 00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:30.800 for you guys when you're nobody's you. 1056 00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:32.320 Know, And that at that time of the business, it 1057 00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:35.159 did work a lot off Polaroids were like, because it 1058 00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:39.760 was so difficult to transport film footage before VCRs, there 1059 00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:41.360 were a lot of people that would get hired just 1060 00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:43.719 based on eight x tens of how they looked. 1061 00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.719 Listen, I'm not denying that at all. I'm not denying 1062 00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:50.239 getting hired because that I'm talking about. How can you 1063 00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:52.719 play two promotions off against each other when you don't 1064 00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:55.960 master pictures look too tasty? I guess I just don't 1065 00:52:55.960 --> 00:52:56.320 buy it. 1066 00:52:56.760 --> 00:52:59.840 That's all me supposing that's the case. It's not stated 1067 00:52:59.880 --> 00:53:03.119 is such, But yeah, it's it's a good question. I mean, 1068 00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:06.639 do we lean a little bit into Gerald Briscoe's kind 1069 00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:09.920 of thing of how actually people down in Florida did 1070 00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:11.639 believe that there was a star in this guy and 1071 00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:15.320 the initiation rituals were misinterpreted as him not being welcome 1072 00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:18.159 in the business, and word got around there's this terry guy. 1073 00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:21.239 And I'm sure Jerry Jarrett calls around to Eddie Graham 1074 00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:23.920 and others and say, you know, this guy's bringing us up. 1075 00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:26.639 Do you know anything about this guy the Texas and 1076 00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:27.920 potential there you might want to use him. 1077 00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:30.079 I don't know. No, no, no, I don't buy it. 1078 00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:32.599 I don't think so. I think I think they're all 1079 00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:34.800 making bullshit. Well, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna put this that. 1080 00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:36.360 I mean, I wouldn't doubt. I wouldn't doubt at one 1081 00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:39.840 point they probably have this conversation like I wouldn't doubt. 1082 00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:42.639 I would believe that that Brutus is saying this maybe 1083 00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:45.960 actually happened, But I just don't think it happened here 1084 00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:47.519 where he's saying it happened. 1085 00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:50.440 I think there's a lot of that chronology screw ups 1086 00:53:50.440 --> 00:53:53.239 where it's like, no, you're actually I remember when Briscoe 1087 00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:57.800 was talking to our friend Brad Baluccian about getting Terry 1088 00:53:57.800 --> 00:54:01.239 and Eddie booked in New York because they didn't know 1089 00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:03.639 what to do, and he's talking as if it happened 1090 00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:06.840 when Terry quit CWF the first time in seventy seven. 1091 00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:09.000 It's like, no, he actually no. The first of all, 1092 00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:11.519 Eddie Boulder was not in the equation at all when 1093 00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:13.239 he when he first worked for you in Tampa and 1094 00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:17.039 left right. And second of all, he skipped down on you. 1095 00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:20.960 You didn't you didn't facilitate anything. He left the wrestling business, 1096 00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:23.880 he didn't go to New York. But he's like remembering 1097 00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:27.960 that as how hulks first run in Florida ended, and 1098 00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:32.320 it's you know, without appreciating the intermediate periods and we 1099 00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:34.159 will say, I'm gonna say, but we're gonna put Memphis 1100 00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:36.639 kinder to the side here because even though and we'll 1101 00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:39.079 we'll touch on it as we go, they definitely bleed 1102 00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:42.199 together the Alabama and Memphis runs for Terry and Eddie, 1103 00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:45.320 we do want to give them separate and distinct treatments 1104 00:54:45.320 --> 00:54:48.800 because there's a there's a whole rich Smorgus board of 1105 00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:51.599 materials to go through from those two, and to jump 1106 00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:54.159 back and forth might be needlessly confusing. Considering, well, there 1107 00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:57.679 is overlap, it is it is relatively little, so we'll 1108 00:54:57.679 --> 00:54:59.679 get more from you know how Jerry Jarrett saw the 1109 00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:02.039 situation in the Memphis side of things as we progress 1110 00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:04.239 here on the complete Hull Kogan but this being the 1111 00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:08.880 alabam episode, let's continue at pace. The only condition Jerry 1112 00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:13.159 was had Beefcake Rites was that he wanted us to 1113 00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:16.599 go polish the gimmick up some with some smaller promotions 1114 00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:18.039 before bringing us into Memphis. 1115 00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:18.679 We agreed. 1116 00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:22.079 So there's ed Leslie saying that Jerry agreed to take 1117 00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:24.800 them on but wanted them to work the brother gimmick 1118 00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:27.760 somewhere else before coming to Memphis. Now, Ron Fuller knew 1119 00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:30.039 nothing about this I'm sure, oh, because he wouldn't have 1120 00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:32.920 taken kindly to be used as a springboard. But his 1121 00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:36.719 brother was booking Memphis, so it was hardly an arm's 1122 00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:40.239 length relationship between the Memphis and Gulf Coast offices back then. 1123 00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:42.440 And there was a lot of exchanging of talent because, 1124 00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:44.000 as we'll get to, Memphis was in kind of a 1125 00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:46.880 bad way as a territory in early seventy nine and 1126 00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:49.239 late seventy eight, and Ron Fuller sent quite a bit 1127 00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:52.079 of bankable stars that were drying in his territory to 1128 00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:53.880 help his brother out in Memphis, or at least that's 1129 00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:56.320 how Ron tells it. And Ron's always the victim. He's 1130 00:55:56.360 --> 00:55:58.800 never you know what I mean, He's never wronged anybody. 1131 00:55:58.920 --> 00:56:01.519 Yet there's a lot of people belu say Ron wronged them, 1132 00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:02.119 you know how it goes. 1133 00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:05.039 It's that I totally believe. So Harley's one. 1134 00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:07.119 How about Billy Graham being the next port of call 1135 00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:09.639 for these guys, that's another version of the story. And 1136 00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:11.760 here we're going to revisit a little bit of what 1137 00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:14.840 we've conveyed earlier in the complete holl Kogan about superstar 1138 00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:17.039 Billy Graham coming into contact with Terry Boleya when he 1139 00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:20.119 was playing the clubs the Ruckus days, you know, definitely 1140 00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:23.159 standing out as a big dude, definitely bending the ear 1141 00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:25.599 of Bob Orton in the parking lot, or Bob Roup 1142 00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:29.239 there in the club, or Jerry Briscoe backstage, or Graham 1143 00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:31.039 or Dusty when they would come through and listen to 1144 00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:34.159 the music and to hear Terry Bullya tell it was 1145 00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:37.280 actually a superstar Graham that he rang up first. Superstar 1146 00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:39.519 Graham would come into the same gym that Terry Boleya 1147 00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:42.719 and later Ad Leslie would work out in in Tampa 1148 00:56:42.760 --> 00:56:45.360 before they were anywhere close to becoming pro wrestlers in 1149 00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:48.440 their own right. So he was already kind of allotted 1150 00:56:48.440 --> 00:56:51.039 figure in someone that they knew at least there were 1151 00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:54.239 one degree closer to than the average person, or at 1152 00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:57.000 least Terry Bullay was. So this is from Billy Graham's 1153 00:56:57.039 --> 00:56:59.320 WWE book. There was a fan at the for Homer 1154 00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:01.679 Es sirly On Murray that night who I'd noticed before 1155 00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:05.000 Terry Blea was a tall, skinny blonde guy who dressed 1156 00:57:05.039 --> 00:57:07.599 in black leather and boots like a rocker from the ring. 1157 00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:09.559 I'd see his big head hovering above the rest of 1158 00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:10.840 the crowd about ten rows back. 1159 00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:15.840 What are you picturing when he says that, you know, 1160 00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:19.400 I misspicturing that fucking you know, you know, you got 1161 00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:21.239 you got a sea of normal people, and then you 1162 00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:25.920 got like Hogan's head, all right, his big, oh my god, 1163 00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:29.679 big DUFs head light head. I mean, like, you know, 1164 00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:32.480 like imagine like his chin is at the top of 1165 00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:36.039 everybody else's head. So you got this literal head stick 1166 00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:42.960 sticking out of his sand. Basically, picture that fucking smile 1167 00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:43.639 on his face. 1168 00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:49.800 The high school yearbook smile. Exactly what a nerd. 1169 00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:53.800 He's such a fucking nerd. I think that's that's the 1170 00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:57.000 biggest thing is Hogan is a big, big ass fucking 1171 00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:04.039 rocks up his nose. Oh and and like not only listen, listen. 1172 00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:07.199 I'm all about being as transparent as you can in 1173 00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:11.199 your books, and I think that's important. But you know what, man, 1174 00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:14.559 there's a line. There's a line, and nobody needs to 1175 00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:17.880 hear Hulk Hogan fucking shoving Rochester. I think Gary told 1176 00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:19.519 us best. I think he told us best because he 1177 00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:23.079 knows Hulk from inception. He knows Hulk telling tall tales 1178 00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:25.760 before he was on a television camera and could benefit 1179 00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:29.199 professionally from telling tall tales. It's about attention. It doesn't 1180 00:58:29.239 --> 00:58:31.679 care if it's flattering or unflattering, as long as it's 1181 00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:33.880 a story that he can tell about himself that he 1182 00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:36.360 thinks is going to sear him into your memory. He's 1183 00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:38.320 going to tell the story. It doesn't matter for that's 1184 00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:41.119 not going to I mean, I guess that's true, But 1185 00:58:41.599 --> 00:58:46.360 still I still think that that's it's not no, no, no, 1186 00:58:46.480 --> 00:58:48.559 it's a bad one. That's that's where you that's where 1187 00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:51.000 you draw the line for the beneficiary. 1188 00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:52.960 Is just awful complete Hulk that he did go that route, 1189 00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:55.239 especially in a second book where he felt, I think 1190 00:58:55.280 --> 00:58:57.480 kind of an implicit pressure to up the ante from 1191 00:58:57.519 --> 00:59:01.920 his rather fictionalized WWE and how account where apparently, come 1192 00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:03.880 to find out, Vince McMahon was quite frustrated with that 1193 00:59:03.880 --> 00:59:06.039 book because he thought Hulk was going to tell a 1194 00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:08.360 lot more down and dirty stories, because I guess Hulk 1195 00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:11.440 has a lot of like stuff that's never come out about, 1196 00:59:11.719 --> 00:59:14.199 you know, wild sex parties and drugs. And eventually he 1197 00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:17.639 got a lot more sure about that. But I still 1198 00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:20.119 think there's sure things that that Vince really wanted I 1199 00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:22.719 mean you mean he wanted more stories in the book. 1200 00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:27.960 That's what Vince. I understand Vince's expectations for the book 1201 00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.199 to be, but it was just a very careful kind 1202 00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:32.559 of you know, there'd be like three page chapters in there, 1203 00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:35.119 just designed to scratch some itch that Hulk had about 1204 00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:37.320 some thing someone said about him twenty five years ago. 1205 00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:40.079 It's like, why was that in there? You know, it's 1206 00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:44.079 kind of a strange compendium. But eventually, damnit, Terry, I 1207 00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:46.440 want the sex. Where's the sex? 1208 00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:49.599 I want it? Tell the stories. I need my stories 1209 00:59:50.079 --> 00:59:51.119 told through your mouth. 1210 00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:53.519 Remember in that script that linked linked leaked of the 1211 00:59:53.559 --> 00:59:56.239 Pandemonium Inc. Biopic treatment for him that we read out 1212 00:59:56.239 --> 00:59:58.840 one time on the podcast, they had Linda saying that 1213 00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:01.400 Hulk's the kind of guy that makes women want to 1214 01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:02.119 do butt sex. 1215 01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:10.639 Come on, everyone knows you drive the ladies to anal 1216 01:00:11.840 --> 01:00:16.599 all right, we all want to get those ladies in 1217 01:00:16.719 --> 01:00:21.880 the ass boss. No, not you, damn, I mean the 1218 01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:24.800 other ladies. How funny is that? Like the whole time 1219 01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:27.199 when Hogan's running high in the eighties, he doesn't see 1220 01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:29.119 a cartoon character. He sees someone that the women want. 1221 01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:30.519 And look, I'm not saying there were no women that 1222 01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:34.159 didn't want Hulk Hogan. But really, like, I can't think 1223 01:00:34.159 --> 01:00:35.880 of a top baby face in wrestling history who had 1224 01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:38.440 less of an appeal to women than him. Oh I know, 1225 01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:40.400 I mean, you know, because again he just he looks 1226 01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:43.639 like a goof Hulk Cogan on his best day. 1227 01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:46.519 Okay, not carry von Harrison, not Brett Hart. He's not 1228 01:00:46.519 --> 01:00:49.280 Sehn Michaels. 1229 01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:47.960 No. 1230 01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:53.239 I mean, listen, the only thing the only thing about 1231 01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:56.320 him that he that that is that is I would 1232 01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:59.760 imagine on a physical level that is appealing is the 1233 01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:03.039 fact that he's that he's fucking bulky. You feel like 1234 01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:06.679 you're playing enough super human Yeah when you right, but 1235 01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:09.440 like you know, that's it. That's it. Like, you know, 1236 01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:12.440 why do you want the fucking bald guy with the 1237 01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:14.719 with the with the handlebar mustache. You're like, you don't 1238 01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:17.599 want to fucking you don't want him ride me like 1239 01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:21.920 a fucking you know, like that's like the last thing 1240 01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:23.840 you want. I mean, unless you maybe you think he's 1241 01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:27.079 got like a you know, when you're talking about twenty 1242 01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:29.000 four inch pith time you're talking about twenty four inch cock. 1243 01:01:29.079 --> 01:01:31.280 I don't know if that's what you're thinking about, but 1244 01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:36.039 like not, he's not. Again, remember when we when we 1245 01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:40.840 watched No Holds Bar like the idea of him being 1246 01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:45.639 as is are they thinking it's it's a it's atrocious, 1247 01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:50.320 it's atrocious. He's not somebody who you like. Sex doesn't 1248 01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:53.320 even cross my mind when I think about hol Coast 1249 01:01:53.440 --> 01:01:54.719 is not one. It was never. 1250 01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:57.159 And the thing the reason I say that is because 1251 01:01:57.159 --> 01:02:00.920 I've seen so many babyfaces go through that curtain and 1252 01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:03.719 like they're it's unmistakable that they've got huge female support. 1253 01:02:03.760 --> 01:02:06.159 You can hear him screaming, you can see them reaching 1254 01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:09.000 rapidly over the guardrails trying to get to them. You 1255 01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:11.039 see footage of them in public at autograph sessions or 1256 01:02:11.079 --> 01:02:12.960 whatever the case may be, being mobbed by women and 1257 01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:15.760 teenage girls. I never ever, ever saw that with Hull 1258 01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:19.360 Coogan ever. No, I've watched everything he's ever done. 1259 01:02:19.440 --> 01:02:22.800 Basically, Yeah, he's always got kids, you know, it's always 1260 01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:24.639 kids that are around him, like not women. 1261 01:02:24.920 --> 01:02:27.960 So that's always fascinating when that kind of enters the equation. 1262 01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:31.559 When everyone else was screaming Billy Graham rights, he sat there, transfixed, 1263 01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:34.800 never darting his eyes, dissecting my every move and facial gesture. 1264 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:37.039 His gaze was so I think, I think, I think 1265 01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:40.480 he's just I also think that maybe that Hogan's got 1266 01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:43.159 some ADHD and then he's just fucking off in his 1267 01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:47.519 own world. So yeah, like he's staring not because he's interested, actually, 1268 01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:49.639 but he's steering because he's just like he's got a 1269 01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:51.039 million things that are going through his head at the 1270 01:02:51.079 --> 01:02:54.360 same time, right, and so he's he's concentration. 1271 01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:56.519 Is actually a paralysis of all the things bouncing around 1272 01:02:56.519 --> 01:02:58.920 his head at anything. So many times, so many times 1273 01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:03.320 I have been caught staring at somebody, but I'm not 1274 01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:05.800 actually like I'm staring because you're thinking your mind to 1275 01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:08.519 somewhere else. You don't even realize. My mind is completely gone. 1276 01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:11.599 I'm thinking about a million different things, and it just 1277 01:03:11.639 --> 01:03:13.639 happens to me that my eyes are at this person, 1278 01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:17.320 and it's like, that's it. Like, honestly, if it you know, 1279 01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:20.960 either I turned that direction or you walked into my 1280 01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:24.880 vision my viewpoint there, and that was it. Like I 1281 01:03:25.119 --> 01:03:28.119 so many times it's happened where I'm like, oh no, sorry, 1282 01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:30.440 I wasn't even I didn't even know you were there. 1283 01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:34.960 You've been staring right at you, I was like miles away, well, 1284 01:03:35.079 --> 01:03:36.800 thinking of a different thing. Well, then we have established 1285 01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:39.440 talking childhood friends and stuff here on the complete is 1286 01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:41.719 said his mind was always all over the place, and 1287 01:03:41.719 --> 01:03:45.199 he was always thinking about, you know, getting taken advantage of. 1288 01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:49.639 He's always triple guessing things and always concocting stories, even 1289 01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:51.760 before he was in the wrestling business. So you might 1290 01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:55.480 be onto something there. His gaze Billy Graham Wrights was 1291 01:03:55.519 --> 01:03:58.199 so piercing that occasionally I found myself looking back at him. 1292 01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:01.519 One night at the Imperial Room, a nightclub where the 1293 01:04:01.519 --> 01:04:03.400 boys hung out in Tampa, Terry approached me. I was 1294 01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:06.199 seated and he was standing towering over me. Like Jesse 1295 01:04:06.679 --> 01:04:08.559 and Toro, and Terry wanted to become a wrestler, but 1296 01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:10.079 he felt like the local promoter in this case that 1297 01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:12.559 a Graham was shutting him out. Terry was frustrated, but 1298 01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:14.400 not discouraged. We've read this before, by the way, but 1299 01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:16.880 it'll be important. You're going to recognize this line coming 1300 01:04:16.920 --> 01:04:17.159 up here. 1301 01:04:17.159 --> 01:04:17.639 Boss. 1302 01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:19.480 I'm not thinking no for an answer, he vowed. It 1303 01:04:19.519 --> 01:04:21.960 was the first of many encounters. Another time, Terry confessed 1304 01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:23.599 that he felt too thin for the squirt circle and 1305 01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:26.599 asked Steve Strong in me about the types of steroids. 1306 01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:28.800 We yes, what did you remember? 1307 01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:29.320 What he said? 1308 01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:32.519 When Terry asked them, I don't remember, not on anything. 1309 01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:36.679 We're not on anything. Strong answer, Yes, that's right, that's right. 1310 01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:39.440 Booking the future icon dead in the eye. Terry acknowledged 1311 01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:42.320 the rib with a nod and a grin. You know, 1312 01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:46.039 where would Terry Bulan, a wrestling fan, have gotten the 1313 01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:50.199 idea the superstar Billy Graham was doing steroids back in 1314 01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:53.199 seventy seven or seventy six, whenever this initial encounter took place. 1315 01:04:53.239 --> 01:04:54.800 So I don't know, Maybe just watch some of his 1316 01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:55.800 promos in New York. 1317 01:04:57.400 --> 01:05:00.320 Right now, let's bring on coming GANI out a man 1318 01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:02.639 who has confidence in himself. He should a great outlet 1319 01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:06.079 in his own right. The pipeon like superstar of Billy Graham, 1320 01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:08.960 and we didn't see the strength. We saw a little 1321 01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:11.840 display of strength in the future in the previous contest. 1322 01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:13.559 But now the one coming up here in the future, 1323 01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:16.960 well we see that awesome power once again. What type 1324 01:05:16.960 --> 01:05:19.159 of style will Superstar Billy Graham resort to? 1325 01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:19.960 Number one? 1326 01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:23.559 I'm gonna take seven Diana balls a day, five. 1327 01:05:23.400 --> 01:05:25.400 Dollas, test throw shots, a week. 1328 01:05:26.199 --> 01:05:27.719 So strong and so powerful. 1329 01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:30.719 I'm gonna bring it back with a superstar. 1330 01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:33.159 Pharaoh Lock the pharo got him right. 1331 01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:34.880 With us till the man cries. 1332 01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:37.880 I give up, Superstar. I shouldn't be here to begin with. 1333 01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:40.760 It was a mistake. The first match was a mistake. 1334 01:05:40.920 --> 01:05:43.000 Your foots on the road. I shouldn't have to build. 1335 01:05:43.159 --> 01:05:44.760 The man will cry like a baby. 1336 01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:47.920 And you firstly we hold the microphones were fought back 1337 01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:48.760 to the crying. 1338 01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:49.440 Right wizard drink. 1339 01:05:49.880 --> 01:05:52.119 Now you may think there's an energy and a power 1340 01:05:52.199 --> 01:05:54.760 shortage in this country, but there's gonna be enough. 1341 01:05:54.760 --> 01:05:57.079 Energy, enough power from a superstar. 1342 01:05:57.440 --> 01:05:59.039 If we can only get that out. 1343 01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:00.760 That would get up to light up the world that 1344 01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:05.280 can't beat it back about an hour. Superstar is back. 1345 01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:07.280 Ladies and gentlemen on the. 1346 01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:42.960 Lab Fan Wrestling Podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the 1347 01:06:43.039 --> 01:07:00.800 boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan Sick of 1348 01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:03.719 the ads. Sign up for ad free shows and even 1349 01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:07.559 more content at patreon dot com Slash the Lapsed Fan. 1350 01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:30.360 He's a Lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and and 1351 01:07:30.519 --> 01:07:31.360 JP Sorrow. 1352 01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:34.519 Apologies for the audio quality. That's all that survives, but 1353 01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:37.480 needless to say, Boss it's too bad. He fucking says 1354 01:07:39.079 --> 01:07:41.480 he's going to take Diana ball and he's gonna stove 1355 01:07:41.599 --> 01:07:45.400 needles in his ass. Yes, And you should see Ernie Roth, 1356 01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:46.880 the Grand Wizard who you heard at the end there. 1357 01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:49.400 You should see him purse his lips together and hold 1358 01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:52.599 in the biggest belly laugh when he realizes, Wow, what 1359 01:07:52.679 --> 01:07:55.119 Billy Graham is saying on that microphone. Now, Vince, who 1360 01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:56.960 is holding the mic is out a frame at the time, 1361 01:07:57.000 --> 01:07:59.880 so you can't see his reaction, but I'm sure right 1362 01:08:00.079 --> 01:08:02.679 at him. You know, he's got those fucking horse teeth 1363 01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:05.360 going out all like crazy. I mean, he's on TV. 1364 01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:11.639 And also, I mean, honestly, I was, I was, I 1365 01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:13.920 you know, you sure that's Billy grahams is not only 1366 01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:16.840 Dusty real, No shit, that's the whole idea. Jesus Christ. 1367 01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:19.359 Well, the bear hug is important. You meant you heard 1368 01:08:19.399 --> 01:08:22.600 him mention the superstar bear hug. If there's any doubt 1369 01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:25.199 that Billy Graham influenced Tulkogan, You're going to find that 1370 01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:29.760 Terry Bullay's first real submission hold or finishing hold was 1371 01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:32.000 the bear hug, and that's what got him over as 1372 01:08:32.079 --> 01:08:35.199 this monstrous heel not only in Gulf Coast, but also 1373 01:08:35.560 --> 01:08:38.720 initially in the WWWF in nineteen seventy nine. 1374 01:08:38.920 --> 01:08:39.600 So wow. 1375 01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:42.279 Before to getting into that in time, Billy writes Terry 1376 01:08:42.279 --> 01:08:46.119 would convince Hiro Matsuda to take him on as a student. 1377 01:08:46.119 --> 01:08:48.680 A few years later he hit the WWF brag about 1378 01:08:48.720 --> 01:08:52.000 his pythons. He just heard Vince McMahon junr there reference 1379 01:08:52.079 --> 01:08:54.119 the python like Billy Graham's. You can tell where that 1380 01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:54.640 came from. 1381 01:08:56.840 --> 01:08:58.800 Guess well, well, we have a hero of the python 1382 01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:02.000 like Billy Grant defense to put any trains, all the 1383 01:09:02.079 --> 01:09:05.079 life out of it completely, like I mean, it makes 1384 01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:08.600 him seem like a snake. Not that he's got massive arms, 1385 01:09:08.680 --> 01:09:11.920 but he's got fucking We have a Python like individual 1386 01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:15.680 here in the form of Billy Graham, a gentleman of 1387 01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:20.920 a particular nature who think, who thinks he's got strength 1388 01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:27.399 that goes beyond the capabilities of most individualistic individuals. Can't 1389 01:09:27.399 --> 01:09:29.479 wait for taking it away, way, yea, yeah, take it away? Indeed, 1390 01:09:29.760 --> 01:09:35.399 please can't wait to hear from this guy. Now, Python 1391 01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:40.119 like Python like the python like Billy Graham's. 1392 01:09:41.319 --> 01:09:44.199 Right now, let's bring on coming Gandhia out a man 1393 01:09:44.199 --> 01:09:46.560 who asks confidence in himself. He should a great athlete 1394 01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:49.159 in his own right, a Python like superstar. 1395 01:09:49.359 --> 01:09:51.760 Billy Graham's such a fucking idiot. 1396 01:09:52.279 --> 01:09:55.239 He's such an always gives himself in so much trouble 1397 01:09:55.359 --> 01:09:58.479 when he tries to over annunciate and when he tries 1398 01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:00.399 to over complicate what he's trying to say, when he 1399 01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:03.439 tries to dress it up and tries to, oh, be aerodyite. 1400 01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:05.560 He always puts his foot in his mouth. When he 1401 01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:10.760 does that, it completely takes everything away from from Billy Graham, 1402 01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:16.560 like instantly, instant, everything is gone, like you write, honestly, 1403 01:10:17.319 --> 01:10:21.319 it's amazing because if I feel like if that had 1404 01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:24.439 been done, you know, it's fortunate that you've got guys 1405 01:10:25.079 --> 01:10:29.000 again who who who were trained in a certain way 1406 01:10:29.039 --> 01:10:31.920 and built up and you know, not necessarily within the 1407 01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:36.359 the WWE system like people are today, but like you'd 1408 01:10:36.399 --> 01:10:39.119 sit there and that could that could have buried somebody 1409 01:10:40.000 --> 01:10:43.359 in the last oh yeah, Python, like ten years, if 1410 01:10:43.399 --> 01:10:47.600 somebody if somebody took your your your you know again, 1411 01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:50.239 some kind of attribute and talk about your your your 1412 01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:53.079 fucking pythons that are your arms and they call you 1413 01:10:53.199 --> 01:10:56.520 python like today, it would be like, what, well, what 1414 01:10:56.720 --> 01:10:58.279 is he like people would go crazy over that. They 1415 01:10:58.319 --> 01:10:59.760 wouldn't know what the fuck is going on, and he'd 1416 01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:03.720 become complete goof complete joke. A few years later, Graham writs, 1417 01:11:03.760 --> 01:11:05.439 he hit the WWF his Hohle Cochin where he brag 1418 01:11:05.479 --> 01:11:07.680 about his pythons and ask what you're gonna do when 1419 01:11:07.680 --> 01:11:11.039 whole comania runs wild on you? Borrowing from my standard line, 1420 01:11:11.279 --> 01:11:13.760 what you're gonna do when the Superstar comes down on you? 1421 01:11:14.560 --> 01:11:16.880 So you can definitely start to see, uh. 1422 01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:18.840 The he had to change that one, and we didn't 1423 01:11:19.039 --> 01:11:21.439 you have that interview where he said, uh, the Superstar 1424 01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:24.840 is going to go down on you. No, that was 1425 01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:30.199 that was a different episode of Donahue, as far as 1426 01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:32.640 I know, is going to go down on you. But 1427 01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:34.880 we're gonna call now Superstar. 1428 01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:37.760 We're gonna phone him up, uh and figure out what 1429 01:11:37.880 --> 01:11:40.000 this next move is that me and my uh my 1430 01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:42.239 pal here already Boulder can make so boss. This is 1431 01:11:42.279 --> 01:11:45.159 from Hogan's second book, If you please regale the Solar 1432 01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:47.920 System with the story of how Terry gets to networking 1433 01:11:48.520 --> 01:11:50.119 to get a cocoa beach behind him. 1434 01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:59.399 Right here we go over of course that year, you know, 1435 01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:03.039 Bruce a real service about two things working that club, 1436 01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:12.039 working on working that club base I know, work in 1437 01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:15.800 that club and working out in that gym, work in 1438 01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:18.560 that club. That that was me this afternoon at lunch. 1439 01:12:22.039 --> 01:12:24.800 And wouldn't he he'd probably working that club in the 1440 01:12:24.880 --> 01:12:28.600 back at some point. I mean, I got crazy focus 1441 01:12:28.640 --> 01:12:30.960 on building my body. Whether it was some kind of 1442 01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:33.359 of a reaction to the whole wrestling fiasco or not, 1443 01:12:33.720 --> 01:12:35.720 I made up my mind that I was going to 1444 01:12:35.920 --> 01:12:38.439 get as big as I possibly could. I had a 1445 01:12:38.520 --> 01:12:41.239 pretty good starting porn. I was already in fantastic shape. 1446 01:12:41.560 --> 01:12:43.479 But even without with the muscle, the base that I 1447 01:12:43.600 --> 01:12:47.560 build and how fit I was from those Matsuda workouts 1448 01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:51.560 and the god given gift to my natural size, there 1449 01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:54.800 was no way I could achieve that over the top, thick, massive, 1450 01:12:54.960 --> 01:13:00.840 golden god look I was after without help, Brother, Yeah, 1451 01:13:02.359 --> 01:13:06.479 let's fucking go. The help I needed came in two forms. 1452 01:13:13.880 --> 01:13:15.319 Like I said, you got a little more honest as 1453 01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:19.000 time went on. Yeah, I'll say, I like the title 1454 01:13:19.039 --> 01:13:21.920 of the chat. When when Royds were the rage, well 1455 01:13:22.039 --> 01:13:26.439 late nineteen to seventies, steroids were everywhere, all over the place, 1456 01:13:27.239 --> 01:13:29.600 all over the place, just you know, doctor was giving 1457 01:13:29.640 --> 01:13:30.600 him to INFI I'm. 1458 01:13:30.439 --> 01:13:33.119 Pretty sure all over most people in the late seventies, 1459 01:13:33.439 --> 01:13:38.000 like people had nothing to do with steroids, and the 1460 01:13:38.079 --> 01:13:40.640 first thing about where to get them your whole world 1461 01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:42.159 was the fucking weightlifting gym. 1462 01:13:42.239 --> 01:13:46.239 Maybe yeah, but like I mean, as we know, you know, 1463 01:13:46.359 --> 01:13:48.840 I mean, I guess, I guess the late seventies it 1464 01:13:48.840 --> 01:13:52.840 would have been a bigger thing because after pumping iron 1465 01:13:52.920 --> 01:13:56.279 came out, you know, that was obviously created a whole thing. 1466 01:13:56.359 --> 01:14:00.159 But no doubt, But I don't know about everywhere. And 1467 01:14:00.199 --> 01:14:01.760 I'm just talking about here we go, and I'm much 1468 01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:04.279 talking about the wrestling world. You could walk into almost 1469 01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:06.920 any gym or locker room in this country, like any 1470 01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:09.800 locker room, so like at a high school gym or 1471 01:14:10.199 --> 01:14:13.920 elementary school locker room, elementary lock there we go in 1472 01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:16.239 fine steroids if you had, if you had her eyes open, 1473 01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:20.439 it was a different era. They were legal, they were legal. 1474 01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:24.600 Doctors were pretty much pretty much hand you prescription for 1475 01:14:24.680 --> 01:14:29.479 whatever you wanted, right, I mean, it sounds like you 1476 01:14:29.520 --> 01:14:32.119 can get them over the counter. Legal legal doctors wouldn't 1477 01:14:32.119 --> 01:14:33.680 have to give you a prescription to buy them, right, 1478 01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:35.840 you can get them over the counter. You can just 1479 01:14:36.079 --> 01:14:38.279 go to fucking CV as and you could buy steroids, 1480 01:14:38.359 --> 01:14:45.239 buy a fucking well, you got the juice of riggs ale, brother, 1481 01:14:46.119 --> 01:14:51.000 the orange juice is over there, and the rigs are 1482 01:14:51.039 --> 01:14:55.520 down at the fucking Sportratorium every Tuesday. The rigs are 1483 01:14:55.640 --> 01:14:58.760 down down in the dock, you know, the docks there, 1484 01:14:58.800 --> 01:15:01.000 So if you want to do that, and the American males. 1485 01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:06.239 But as we litigated endlessly on the trial of his 1486 01:15:06.319 --> 01:15:09.159 life and other times we've tackled the steroids subject. Even 1487 01:15:09.239 --> 01:15:15.359 though federally, you know, using steroids was not illegal, and 1488 01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:18.760 certainly possessing them was not illegal up until about eighty 1489 01:15:18.800 --> 01:15:21.800 eight and then through to ninety one. There are plenty 1490 01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:25.640 of states, plenty of state laws existed that criminalized the 1491 01:15:25.840 --> 01:15:28.159 usage of them without a prescription before the federal law 1492 01:15:28.279 --> 01:15:31.479 was so prescriptive about that. He said, part in the party. 1493 01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:34.920 So you know, this idea that like just because every 1494 01:15:34.960 --> 01:15:37.680 time you listen closely, they always say federal law, federal law. 1495 01:15:38.079 --> 01:15:41.359 This idea that like people were carrying this stuff without 1496 01:15:41.359 --> 01:15:43.159 a warry in the world and that there was nothing 1497 01:15:43.199 --> 01:15:45.920 illicit about them in the seventies is total bullshit because. 1498 01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:48.680 Like just fucking you know, just fucking walking down the street, 1499 01:15:49.399 --> 01:15:51.239 taking your ass out and just shoving a needle in 1500 01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:53.159 your ass while you're walking down the street. No problem. 1501 01:15:53.479 --> 01:15:56.319 Yeah, there's always state laws around prescribing these things that 1502 01:15:56.439 --> 01:15:59.920 were violatable way before the federal laws changed. 1503 01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:08.800 Yeah. Yeah, uh, doctor, there wouldn't be a federal ban 1504 01:16:08.880 --> 01:16:11.359 on steroid until the end of the following decade. On 1505 01:16:11.479 --> 01:16:14.000 Cuckoo Beach, nineteen seventy eight, I don't even have to 1506 01:16:14.039 --> 01:16:16.520 go looking for them. Instead, steroids found me. They're like 1507 01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:19.479 fucking hot, Like, brother, what do you whoa brother? Who's 1508 01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:22.000 the who's at the door, Dude, it's twelve thirty at night, dude, 1509 01:16:22.560 --> 01:16:28.000 water needle? Steroids in my door? Steroids down like the 1510 01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:32.039 Microsoft word clip guy in the corner like Hi, They're 1511 01:16:32.079 --> 01:16:36.640 like talking to steroids. Hi, I'm steroids. I want your ass. 1512 01:16:36.840 --> 01:16:37.039 Come on. 1513 01:16:37.279 --> 01:16:42.159 Steroids came looking for me, brother? What dude? What do 1514 01:16:42.199 --> 01:16:43.079 you guys? Which one are you? 1515 01:16:43.159 --> 01:16:43.359 Brother? 1516 01:16:43.479 --> 01:16:43.520 You? 1517 01:16:43.840 --> 01:16:47.119 You and or you die? Are you the aquaritine steroid force? 1518 01:16:47.199 --> 01:16:47.399 Brother? 1519 01:16:49.600 --> 01:16:55.760 I'm here, Just stick it in your ass. Brother. My 1520 01:16:55.880 --> 01:16:59.239 brother Madison said, you dude, Alan, dude? You allan? 1521 01:17:04.640 --> 01:17:09.319 That was another uh parallel with loof Rigno is the 1522 01:17:09.399 --> 01:17:10.680 brother that the parents loved more. 1523 01:17:10.760 --> 01:17:17.279 Oh yes, yes, were you Kenny dude? Do you know 1524 01:17:17.359 --> 01:17:23.479 Kenny brother? That was a that was an ambiguous response. 1525 01:17:24.399 --> 01:17:26.279 Sounds like they do know Kenny, but they didn't know 1526 01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:33.920 Terry knew they knew Kenny, so they just walked, Oh 1527 01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:37.560 my god, It's like we were saying Jesus Christ, Kenny. 1528 01:17:38.239 --> 01:17:42.079 I honestly had not gotten Sture's Laevantine Hunger Force, French 1529 01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:45.039 fries and the animated soda cup walking up to his apartment. 1530 01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:47.239 I'm gonna start off, I'm gonna go back a little 1531 01:17:47.239 --> 01:17:49.199 bit and say in cougoa beach nine whos seventy eight? 1532 01:17:49.239 --> 01:17:51.640 I don't even have to go looking for them. Instead, 1533 01:17:51.760 --> 01:17:55.239 steroids found me. They just walked him through, right in 1534 01:17:55.319 --> 01:17:59.880 through the front door of Whitey and Terry's Olympic fuck 1535 01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:03.279 and read that far ahead. A couple of local weightlifters 1536 01:18:03.319 --> 01:18:05.520 came through the check out the facility, and before I 1537 01:18:05.600 --> 01:18:08.159 knew it, they were taking like they were talking like 1538 01:18:08.239 --> 01:18:10.640 traveling salesm and go, hey man, why don't you take 1539 01:18:10.640 --> 01:18:13.239 the Hannah ball. You won't believe the results. Just try 1540 01:18:13.239 --> 01:18:15.199 it and see and if you really want to see 1541 01:18:15.239 --> 01:18:17.840 some bulk, he should take this and that well, there 1542 01:18:17.920 --> 01:18:20.479 was no occasion. This stuff could hurt you or kill you, 1543 01:18:21.800 --> 01:18:25.079 could kill you. I'm sure there was fear mongering around that. Sure, 1544 01:18:26.199 --> 01:18:28.760 I'm sure there were people that people said, oh yeah, 1545 01:18:28.760 --> 01:18:33.079 he died of steroids, no question. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And 1546 01:18:33.359 --> 01:18:36.439 when he uses stuff, was the best spokesperson possible because 1547 01:18:36.439 --> 01:18:38.960 they all looked great. You know, Brutus and I were sold. 1548 01:18:39.399 --> 01:18:41.840 He calls him Brutus right then and there, and we 1549 01:18:41.960 --> 01:18:43.560 got into it. We got into it heavy. 1550 01:18:43.680 --> 01:18:45.680 Let's not forget this is the guy who thought doctor 1551 01:18:45.760 --> 01:18:47.520 knew what to do for a spine because he was ten. 1552 01:18:48.399 --> 01:18:48.600 Yeah. 1553 01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:52.800 Oh so great, total NonStop Hogan days. 1554 01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:55.319 You know, we found pretty quickly that it was all 1555 01:18:55.359 --> 01:18:58.119 about finding the right cocktail that worked for you, and 1556 01:18:58.239 --> 01:19:01.079 once you hit the correct combo, the results were fast 1557 01:19:01.199 --> 01:19:04.479 and furious. There was always a base of testos roone. 1558 01:19:04.840 --> 01:19:07.560 It could be one cc, maybe more, he just went 1559 01:19:07.680 --> 01:19:11.840 by feel. Then there was deca deca durbolin and oil 1560 01:19:11.880 --> 01:19:14.239 based steroid, and you'd take that once or twice a week. 1561 01:19:14.840 --> 01:19:18.000 Then there were pills like anavar and the aforementioned donaball 1562 01:19:18.560 --> 01:19:21.880 you know, which I know now is actually very toxic. 1563 01:19:22.239 --> 01:19:25.560 It's it's like an androgen that makes you hold fluid. 1564 01:19:26.319 --> 01:19:28.960 All steroids are stressful on your internal organs. But I 1565 01:19:29.079 --> 01:19:32.279 was young and invincible, you know it. I took pills 1566 01:19:32.319 --> 01:19:34.840 every day, I shot up out every third day. The 1567 01:19:34.920 --> 01:19:39.840 results were incredible and kept every third day. A man, 1568 01:19:41.319 --> 01:19:44.159 I mean, that's that's right? When is it normal? Like 1569 01:19:44.359 --> 01:19:45.520 when I feel like. 1570 01:19:45.520 --> 01:19:47.199 I don't know anything about this stuff, Like as far 1571 01:19:47.239 --> 01:19:50.279 as to that level of routine, I was feeling cycles, 1572 01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:53.399 you do it like every other day, and then you 1573 01:19:53.600 --> 01:19:56.039 like stop for a week, right, I. 1574 01:19:56.079 --> 01:19:58.279 Mean, I was like, it seems like if you're if 1575 01:19:58.279 --> 01:20:01.720 you're going like a certain on a good on a 1576 01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:05.239 certain cycle, like it's you do it for a little while, 1577 01:20:05.279 --> 01:20:07.960 then your office for days takes away the whole idea 1578 01:20:07.960 --> 01:20:14.800 of a cycle. Doesn't cycle, not at all. You know, 1579 01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:17.399 there's ultis kept going in just a couple of months. 1580 01:20:17.439 --> 01:20:19.680 I was seeing that sort of Greek gods swell. I 1581 01:20:19.880 --> 01:20:22.880 envisioned there's no limit to the amount of steroids. We 1582 01:20:22.960 --> 01:20:25.960 could do as much as we wanted. The local weightlifter 1583 01:20:26.079 --> 01:20:29.359 dealers could provide if you want to pay a hundred pills, 1584 01:20:29.399 --> 01:20:31.239 If you wanted to buy a hundred pills, you could, 1585 01:20:31.600 --> 01:20:34.319 and if he wanted to buy ten thousand bills, you could. 1586 01:20:34.600 --> 01:20:36.279 If you wanted to buy a whole fuck. If you 1587 01:20:36.319 --> 01:20:39.319 wanted to buy the factory brother to make the pills, 1588 01:20:39.399 --> 01:20:42.640 you could, dude, to make your own factory brother, right 1589 01:20:44.399 --> 01:20:45.520 the way. I would not see it. 1590 01:20:46.039 --> 01:20:49.359 Nothing Terry at all had any designs on participating in 1591 01:20:49.399 --> 01:20:52.159 this kind of commerce in Cocoa Beach on the. 1592 01:20:53.680 --> 01:20:56.039 Brother. I'm not so, I don't know, but listen, I am. 1593 01:20:56.199 --> 01:20:58.560 I want to tell you right now, dude, I do not. 1594 01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:03.840 I've never used the Tampa Pipeline Brother, and I do not. 1595 01:21:04.439 --> 01:21:06.760 I do not do the Tampa Pipeline Brother. People who 1596 01:21:06.840 --> 01:21:09.640 know I'm not, did Terry sell drugs? And they'll say 1597 01:21:09.720 --> 01:21:11.680 Terry was not a drug dealer, But they won't say 1598 01:21:11.720 --> 01:21:19.560 he didn't sell. I definitely don't sell. Say that's that 1599 01:21:21.119 --> 01:21:29.960 whole there's no limit. Waituh, he never sold? Yeah, right, 1600 01:21:30.399 --> 01:21:32.760 Even if you get caught with a thousand bottles from 1601 01:21:32.800 --> 01:21:34.680 a drug dealer, as long as you have that that 1602 01:21:34.840 --> 01:21:38.239 prescription for that substance in your bag, you were Okay, 1603 01:21:38.319 --> 01:21:43.279 I love carrying around a prescription Brutus's bag depending yeah right, 1604 01:21:43.720 --> 01:21:46.199 But I love the idea like I mean, you know, oh, yeah, 1605 01:21:46.199 --> 01:21:47.600 they all had a note. They had a little thing, 1606 01:21:47.640 --> 01:21:51.079 a little gimmick. Absolutely they did. I just because, like, 1607 01:21:51.279 --> 01:21:55.159 how normal is that of guilt? 1608 01:21:55.279 --> 01:21:55.439 Is that? 1609 01:21:56.840 --> 01:21:58.680 Like you think? I think myself, like, listen, I take 1610 01:21:58.840 --> 01:22:00.920 you know whatever, and I'm like, I'm not carrying around 1611 01:22:00.920 --> 01:22:05.319 a fucking my doctor's prescription everywhere I fucking go. 1612 01:22:05.920 --> 01:22:07.520 You know what the question is is it something that 1613 01:22:08.760 --> 01:22:11.319 you could be arrested for possessing if you didn't have 1614 01:22:11.359 --> 01:22:12.239 a doctor's permission. 1615 01:22:12.279 --> 01:22:14.880 That's the difference. So like, yeah, I thought, Terry, I 1616 01:22:14.920 --> 01:22:16.960 thought it was legal. Yeah, it'd be like oxyconton, you know, 1617 01:22:17.039 --> 01:22:20.079 like they found who it's legal? Though, Terry, why do 1618 01:22:20.079 --> 01:22:23.800 you why do you need why are you nervous? Legal? Doctor? 1619 01:22:23.800 --> 01:22:27.000 But ask me about nervous? Dude? Want what wait? What 1620 01:22:27.840 --> 01:22:36.760 would nervous? Exactly? What slip that in there? I don't 1621 01:22:38.760 --> 01:22:42.039 I don't listen. I don't take steroids. I don't abuse steroids. 1622 01:22:42.560 --> 01:22:45.039 I don't use steroids. I don't abuse them. Right now, 1623 01:22:45.039 --> 01:22:47.520 I don't sell them. I don't deal them. I don't 1624 01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:49.359 sell them. I don't deal them. I'm no part of 1625 01:22:49.399 --> 01:22:50.239 the Tampa pipeline. 1626 01:22:50.279 --> 01:22:54.880 Every time I've given someone old steroids, it was in 1627 01:22:55.199 --> 01:22:57.000 advance of them giving me theirs later. 1628 01:22:57.920 --> 01:23:00.880 If trust me, anytime I've ever given anybody steroids, it 1629 01:23:01.079 --> 01:23:04.000 was not for a business arrangement. Dude. I have not 1630 01:23:04.199 --> 01:23:06.119 taken any kind of monetary thing, and I have not 1631 01:23:06.399 --> 01:23:11.800 ever given anybody else steroids ever, and I don't and 1632 01:23:11.880 --> 01:23:18.920 I won't and I'm not addicted to it. And great 1633 01:23:19.039 --> 01:23:22.760 thing to volunteer because no one was saying anything about addiction. 1634 01:23:24.279 --> 01:23:28.039 Love and he gives himself away the best and I 1635 01:23:28.159 --> 01:23:30.760 don't abuse given it to other people give it. I 1636 01:23:30.880 --> 01:23:34.760 never will, I never have, and I'm not addicted to it. 1637 01:23:41.000 --> 01:23:47.159 I don't abuse given steroids. I don't deal. 1638 01:23:48.720 --> 01:24:00.760 Steroids. I don't deal cards with steroids. Brother, a local 1639 01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:03.920 doctor who was friends with Whitey was kind enough to 1640 01:24:03.960 --> 01:24:06.960 write down whenever we wanted so we'd be street legal. 1641 01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:14.680 Found out that doesn't necessarily make it street legal if 1642 01:24:14.720 --> 01:24:20.279 the doctor knows full well. Yeah, I hear street legal too, 1643 01:24:20.319 --> 01:24:22.079 and I don't know. Whenever I hear street legal, I 1644 01:24:22.119 --> 01:24:24.680 think of I think of Old School in the movie 1645 01:24:25.520 --> 01:24:28.079 Old School, because you get Will Ferrell who's working on 1646 01:24:28.199 --> 01:24:31.239 his car one way and he's like, he's like, like 1647 01:24:31.359 --> 01:24:34.000 fucking he says, but don't say anything about it, because 1648 01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:36.560 it's not exactly street legal. It's fucking engine that he's 1649 01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:40.560 working on. It's like insanely loud. And then once we 1650 01:24:40.640 --> 01:24:43.039 had his prescription for let's say, one bottle to toss 1651 01:24:43.119 --> 01:24:46.239 roone would run right out and buy fifty bottles from 1652 01:24:46.279 --> 01:24:50.199 one of those dealers down the street box. So if 1653 01:24:50.239 --> 01:24:58.399 you have a minute and so you'd buy. So you 1654 01:24:58.479 --> 01:25:02.760 get a prescription for one bottle to a sauceron and 1655 01:25:02.840 --> 01:25:05.560 you buy fifty bottles that street legal from one of 1656 01:25:05.600 --> 01:25:07.840 those that's I guess that's street legal. Down the street legal, 1657 01:25:07.880 --> 01:25:09.319 he says, if you only carry one of them at 1658 01:25:09.319 --> 01:25:14.520 a time, right, I guess I can carry bro something 1659 01:25:14.880 --> 01:25:19.560 like a whole fucking gym bag of pills. Uh. I 1660 01:25:19.640 --> 01:25:21.840 got a script for that, dude, I don't know. It 1661 01:25:21.880 --> 01:25:26.119 says one. It says one one bag, brother, one bag 1662 01:25:26.239 --> 01:25:29.720 of bottle. Peoples understand, and he unders gets that's right, 1663 01:25:29.800 --> 01:25:32.800 du The thing is, I didn't have any second thoughts 1664 01:25:32.840 --> 01:25:35.079 on pumping my body full of the stuff because everybody 1665 01:25:35.199 --> 01:25:38.800 was steroids were safe. I guess it's kind of like 1666 01:25:38.880 --> 01:25:41.920 in the nineteen fifties when everyone said smoking cigarettes was safe. 1667 01:25:43.479 --> 01:25:48.880 They I didn't they didn't say it was safe. You 1668 01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:52.000 heard that if you wanted to hear coming, right, But 1669 01:25:52.079 --> 01:25:53.880 I think I mean, when do they when do they 1670 01:25:53.880 --> 01:25:56.359 start putting We feel like they started putting labels on 1671 01:25:56.479 --> 01:26:01.920 that back then. You know, see, like cigarette warnings. 1672 01:26:02.520 --> 01:26:04.920 Falling asleep next to a campfire was never a good idea, 1673 01:26:05.039 --> 01:26:09.279 and so in hailing smoke never a good idea either. 1674 01:26:10.359 --> 01:26:15.960 It's a question of like how you know how obnoxious 1675 01:26:15.960 --> 01:26:18.439 you want to get up? Yes, exactlyteen. I guess nineteen 1676 01:26:18.479 --> 01:26:21.439 sixty six was when it was when the first warning 1677 01:26:21.479 --> 01:26:27.000 labels came out. But still I feel like even back 1678 01:26:27.079 --> 01:26:29.800 then it was like not necessarily that. And obviously everyone 1679 01:26:29.880 --> 01:26:30.600 was smoking back. 1680 01:26:30.520 --> 01:26:34.760 Then, especially in the wrestling arenas. Oh of course, damn 1681 01:26:34.840 --> 01:26:41.600 straight hell some people were. Some people even said smoking 1682 01:26:41.720 --> 01:26:44.680 was good for you, right if yeah, probably my my 1683 01:26:45.119 --> 01:26:50.479 my addicted uncle probably said that it was good for you, Diane. 1684 01:26:50.760 --> 01:26:56.760 She attributes her slim figure to Marlboro lights. Oh yes, fuck, 1685 01:26:57.039 --> 01:26:59.800 oh my god, let me tell you I was looking 1686 01:26:59.840 --> 01:27:04.119 for that ideal. I'm gonna tell you, I get fucked 1687 01:27:04.239 --> 01:27:06.399 so fucking fast every night. 1688 01:27:08.199 --> 01:27:10.800 And now we travel to Springfield to meet her sister Marge, 1689 01:27:16.680 --> 01:27:20.119 and in the seventies, everyone just up the anne a little. 1690 01:27:20.359 --> 01:27:23.800 I'll say they went around saying it was perfectly safe 1691 01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:26.279 to smoke pot and it certainly wasn't gonna kill you 1692 01:27:26.359 --> 01:27:30.760 to snort some cocaine else in the locker room circles, 1693 01:27:30.800 --> 01:27:34.319 I know, right, And in locker room circles it was. 1694 01:27:34.479 --> 01:27:37.000 It was just like, given that shooting steroids was safe 1695 01:27:37.079 --> 01:27:43.239 to brother, who's shooting boiler? No one said it was 1696 01:27:43.239 --> 01:27:49.359 a shoot exactly exactly? Who shoot brother? Like he gets 1697 01:27:50.720 --> 01:27:53.680 he's like, he's like reading the audio book in the studio, 1698 01:27:53.760 --> 01:27:56.119 He's like, well, who's shooting brother? He looks at the producers, 1699 01:27:56.159 --> 01:28:01.279 like the should shoot me? Where's the shoot brother? Where's 1700 01:28:01.279 --> 01:28:05.880 the shoot dude? What's me? Terry Terry, I'm sorry what 1701 01:28:06.359 --> 01:28:09.960 they're talking through that mic into the studio? Yeah, Terry 1702 01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:12.840 where I'm sorry? You got to shoot? What are you 1703 01:28:12.920 --> 01:28:17.840 talking about? Well, it's written Reddit, it's a shooting run. 1704 01:28:18.319 --> 01:28:22.800 You're pretending not to listen. Uh, I didn't write the book, Darry. 1705 01:28:22.840 --> 01:28:25.640 You did, Terry Terry, You wrote the book. I mean, 1706 01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:29.439 what does it mean? Why? 1707 01:28:29.840 --> 01:28:29.880 What? 1708 01:28:33.239 --> 01:28:36.439 I don't know? Because you asked him what it means? Well, 1709 01:28:36.560 --> 01:28:38.680 tell you, because you're you're seeming to be concerned, and 1710 01:28:38.840 --> 01:28:42.000 I just, uh, I just you're just reading what You're 1711 01:28:42.039 --> 01:28:45.119 all I want asking the questions your brother. Dude. I'm 1712 01:28:45.279 --> 01:28:47.279 see I'm the one who's vulnerable right now, brother, because 1713 01:28:47.279 --> 01:28:49.560 I'm reading this thing out loud, and I gonta understand 1714 01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:51.840 where you're coming from right now, brother, having me read 1715 01:28:51.880 --> 01:28:56.920 this stuff, Dude, where you're coming from? This guy is 1716 01:28:57.000 --> 01:29:00.079 just some engineer that works at the studio. He and 1717 01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:03.800 give a fuck who this is. I don't, I don't. 1718 01:29:03.960 --> 01:29:07.239 I mean, listen, I'm just here to record that. Just 1719 01:29:07.359 --> 01:29:10.479 you're reading your book. Man, I don't, I don't. I 1720 01:29:10.760 --> 01:29:14.000 don't know what you want. Well, I think that's the problem. 1721 01:29:14.279 --> 01:29:14.640 You do. 1722 01:29:14.800 --> 01:29:17.439 You don't know what I want. And I want to 1723 01:29:17.439 --> 01:29:18.840 know why you don't know what I want to He's 1724 01:29:18.840 --> 01:29:20.680 not that complicated, brother, to figure out what it is 1725 01:29:20.760 --> 01:29:21.079 I want. 1726 01:29:21.920 --> 01:29:23.600 I want to know what's going on with his shooting. 1727 01:29:25.520 --> 01:29:27.920 Everyone's shooting in the locker room. You're putting this copy 1728 01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:31.159 in front of me, brother, like, I'm just just read this. 1729 01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:35.960 I don't, I don't. I don't know what to tell 1730 01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:38.800 you except that you know it's Henry Holmes on the phone. 1731 01:29:38.800 --> 01:29:41.199 I'm not going to again, Henry Holmes, it's in your book, 1732 01:29:41.279 --> 01:29:43.880 it's in his What do you want? It's in his book? 1733 01:29:43.960 --> 01:29:46.079 He wrote it, he wrote it. But who are you 1734 01:29:46.079 --> 01:29:50.000 talking to you over there? Exactly? I'm not. I'm talking 1735 01:29:50.039 --> 01:29:53.600 to your guy. This guy with this kind of weird 1736 01:29:54.640 --> 01:29:58.680 mullet pompadour thing in a mustache. He's got sunglasses inside. 1737 01:29:58.680 --> 01:30:00.920 I don't know what he's he said, this is your manager? 1738 01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:02.239 Was that Jimmy? 1739 01:30:02.279 --> 01:30:02.479 Brother? 1740 01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:06.560 I don't know what? Can we just listen? I want 1741 01:30:06.600 --> 01:30:13.199 to go home? Who's ever going home? Dude? What someone 1742 01:30:13.319 --> 01:30:14.800 gorilla calling? First of all? Home? 1743 01:30:14.840 --> 01:30:15.039 Brother? 1744 01:30:17.279 --> 01:30:21.000 We rolling me up? Someone in this brother? You get 1745 01:30:21.000 --> 01:30:26.000 someone in the recording booth with me? Dude, Terry, it's 1746 01:30:26.079 --> 01:30:29.720 too small for two people, brother? What we you say? 1747 01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:32.079 It's too small? Dude? I got twenty four inch pythons. Brother, 1748 01:30:34.239 --> 01:30:37.800 I don't, I don't, I don't. 1749 01:30:37.840 --> 01:30:38.319 I don't know. 1750 01:30:41.239 --> 01:30:44.319 There's nobody in there with you. Why would you offer that, brother? 1751 01:30:44.359 --> 01:30:45.720 Why would you offer that statement? 1752 01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:46.039 Dude? 1753 01:30:46.399 --> 01:30:48.840 That information? Nobody's in here with me? But I didn't 1754 01:30:48.880 --> 01:30:54.920 ask what you did just before? If I put somebody 1755 01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:57.159 else in there, brother? What? But then you're putting words 1756 01:30:57.199 --> 01:30:59.760 my mouth? Dude, you're putting my mouth all over these 1757 01:30:59.760 --> 01:31:02.920 fuck words, dude, and I will understand what's going on, brother, 1758 01:31:03.279 --> 01:31:05.399 because here we're talking about a shoot. You're telling me 1759 01:31:05.439 --> 01:31:07.359 I got a guy behind me who's gonna roll me 1760 01:31:07.439 --> 01:31:09.840 up in this fucking booth. Brother, you got Jimmy Hart 1761 01:31:09.920 --> 01:31:12.159 who's over there trying to screw me as well. What's 1762 01:31:12.239 --> 01:31:17.079 going on? Brother? With my book coming out, Well, that's 1763 01:31:17.119 --> 01:31:19.199 what you get for having Hulk read and in locker 1764 01:31:19.279 --> 01:31:21.640 room circles, it was just a given that shooting steroids 1765 01:31:21.720 --> 01:31:27.399 was safe too. Yeah. Yeah, I'd also like to like, 1766 01:31:27.880 --> 01:31:30.840 you know that, you know, smoking pots perfectly safe, and 1767 01:31:31.319 --> 01:31:32.680 you know it's not gonna kill you if you snort 1768 01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:35.199 some cocaine, and you know in locker rooms, you know 1769 01:31:35.279 --> 01:31:37.359 shooting steroids is safe too. And you know what else 1770 01:31:37.479 --> 01:31:40.039 is totally fine. Just walking down the street and fucking 1771 01:31:40.079 --> 01:31:43.920 popping somebody with a gun, No big deal, No one's 1772 01:31:43.960 --> 01:31:44.479 gonna stop you. 1773 01:31:44.479 --> 01:31:46.279 If you remember back then, people were like, yeah, man, 1774 01:31:46.359 --> 01:31:52.399 do all the heroin you want. You know, fucking sent 1775 01:31:52.520 --> 01:31:54.079 no lollipops, It's all good. 1776 01:31:56.600 --> 01:32:00.640 Fucking ridiculous. There's also sort of a social thing to brother. 1777 01:32:01.279 --> 01:32:03.760 When you took steroids, you were just like every other 1778 01:32:03.880 --> 01:32:06.920 musclehead in the gym. And if you didn't, it's almost like, well, 1779 01:32:07.479 --> 01:32:10.319 why you waste your time in here? So true? We 1780 01:32:10.520 --> 01:32:11.840 want to be healthy, dude, what's going home? 1781 01:32:13.079 --> 01:32:15.039 You know the only reason new power lift is to 1782 01:32:15.079 --> 01:32:17.560 see how much your body could do with every advantage 1783 01:32:17.760 --> 01:32:20.239 known to God. And if that's not your goal, they 1784 01:32:20.279 --> 01:32:20.720 don't get it. 1785 01:32:22.760 --> 01:32:27.000 It's so crazy. It is the convenicent availability. Just push 1786 01:32:27.039 --> 01:32:29.760 it over the top while make an appointment and waste 1787 01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:31.840 all that time at a doctor's office to get one bottle. 1788 01:32:32.279 --> 01:32:33.960 Not gonna lot ten bottles of that one I want 1789 01:32:34.079 --> 01:32:36.800 right now, and do it for three dollars a bottle. 1790 01:32:37.840 --> 01:32:40.079 I remember tis stosterone was like ten dollars a bottle, 1791 01:32:40.399 --> 01:32:42.680 and we have and had ten shots in it, and 1792 01:32:42.800 --> 01:32:44.960 there was just so much of it everywhere. It actually 1793 01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:47.039 made you feel in place as opposed to out of 1794 01:32:47.079 --> 01:32:49.960 place to take steroids. Before long, everyone in the gym 1795 01:32:50.079 --> 01:32:52.439 was doing it. Everybody who worked at the bar was 1796 01:32:52.479 --> 01:32:54.319 doing it, and you could you could look at the 1797 01:32:54.399 --> 01:32:56.720 way the top the top athlete looked and know that 1798 01:32:57.119 --> 01:32:59.640 they were all doing it too. Brother, So it wasn't 1799 01:32:59.680 --> 01:33:02.520 consider a reckless thing. In fact, you know that whole 1800 01:33:02.600 --> 01:33:05.439 year I spent in Cocoa Beach was anything but reckless. 1801 01:33:06.640 --> 01:33:09.239 And even though I was running the anchor, I didn't drink. 1802 01:33:09.720 --> 01:33:11.439 I went all of nineteen seventy eight without putting a 1803 01:33:11.479 --> 01:33:14.399 drop of alcohol my body. Alcohol just wouldn't cut it 1804 01:33:14.439 --> 01:33:18.479 with the schedule. That was not what yes, right, not 1805 01:33:18.600 --> 01:33:23.239 at all? Listen. I can't I cannot imagine that hul 1806 01:33:23.319 --> 01:33:27.000 Cogan could remember all of nineteen seventy eight when he 1807 01:33:27.039 --> 01:33:30.479 wrote this book. So I don't know. I don't buy 1808 01:33:30.560 --> 01:33:33.199 that for one moment. After working out and running the 1809 01:33:33.239 --> 01:33:34.439 gym all day, but just don't know. I had a 1810 01:33:34.479 --> 01:33:37.760 pretty standard routine. Would open up the bar and get 1811 01:33:37.800 --> 01:33:40.840 everyone settled, and then we'd come back and watch David 1812 01:33:40.880 --> 01:33:45.000 Letterman's Late night show I Love. That wasn't on in 1813 01:33:45.159 --> 01:33:48.439 nineteen seventy eight, hadn't come out yet, I don't think, 1814 01:33:48.560 --> 01:33:53.199 so only that came out until like the mid eighties. 1815 01:33:53.239 --> 01:33:58.000 And just mean Carson. I could be wrong, Yeah, I 1816 01:33:58.039 --> 01:34:00.399 mean well late because late night was after sure. 1817 01:34:01.560 --> 01:34:01.800 Uh. 1818 01:34:03.760 --> 01:34:08.920 Carson. But I don't think when did it start? Yeah, 1819 01:34:09.000 --> 01:34:13.680 nineteen eighty two is when that starts. Well, so yeah, 1820 01:34:13.880 --> 01:34:16.199 I don't know about this. Nineteen seventy eight shit, but whatever, 1821 01:34:17.920 --> 01:34:25.000 uh huh uh uh, and know they watched it, you know, 1822 01:34:25.640 --> 01:34:30.000 you know while we watch, we drink these power shakes. 1823 01:34:30.039 --> 01:34:33.479 I'll take the most fatmining protein there was, called metaball 1824 01:34:34.359 --> 01:34:36.199 and dump it in a blunder with half a cube 1825 01:34:36.199 --> 01:34:39.760 of vanilla Hoggin' Dots, ice cream banana, and two huge 1826 01:34:39.880 --> 01:34:44.119 wads of peanut butter. Probably the most fammy shit you 1827 01:34:44.239 --> 01:34:44.720 can eat. 1828 01:34:44.880 --> 01:34:51.760 Dude, Eddie and Terry with their treats, watching Letterman like 1829 01:34:51.840 --> 01:34:55.000 you're fucking these fucking uh and then we put whipped 1830 01:34:55.039 --> 01:34:57.920 cream and sprinkle after that? Am I the only one 1831 01:34:58.079 --> 01:35:00.560 basically picturing Beavis and buttheaded couch here? 1832 01:35:01.199 --> 01:35:04.560 Yeah, dude, seriously, Yeah, I'm picture of them, picturing them like, 1833 01:35:04.760 --> 01:35:08.840 you know, shirtless, you know, and like and like gym shorts, 1834 01:35:09.319 --> 01:35:13.359 you know, Beavis and juice Head, right exactly, they had, 1835 01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:17.359 like judge to render these two oh fucking t shirt 1836 01:35:17.399 --> 01:35:20.640 sitting on the pink couch, probably the most famming shit 1837 01:35:20.720 --> 01:35:23.600 you can eat. We'd drink two blenders with that crap, 1838 01:35:24.439 --> 01:35:26.880 watch a Letterman, then go back to the bar and 1839 01:35:26.960 --> 01:35:31.720 stay until closing at four am. So so they would 1840 01:35:32.600 --> 01:35:36.199 they don't they'd open the bar, I'm okay, So they'd 1841 01:35:36.279 --> 01:35:38.920 open the bar, get everything settled, then go back and 1842 01:35:39.000 --> 01:35:42.880 watch Letterman. I don't understand they would just leave the 1843 01:35:42.960 --> 01:35:45.960 flavor and watch TV. And then they'd leave the floor 1844 01:35:46.319 --> 01:35:50.800 and just go we'd come back, meaning that they would 1845 01:35:52.800 --> 01:35:56.439 be back at their apartment or back at the gym. 1846 01:35:57.239 --> 01:35:58.760 I don't know where they watched the show, but I 1847 01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:01.600 think yeah, they would leave the bar to in someone 1848 01:36:01.640 --> 01:36:03.760 else's hands while they watched that show and then come 1849 01:36:03.840 --> 01:36:07.399 back after it was over. Oh, I would have been 1850 01:36:07.479 --> 01:36:09.600 wrecked the next day if I had been boozing it up, 1851 01:36:10.079 --> 01:36:14.920 so alcohol was out and pot was in. Brother, I 1852 01:36:14.920 --> 01:36:17.720 still don't understand. This makes no that just makes any 1853 01:36:17.800 --> 01:36:21.760 sense at all. That schedule makes no fucking sense at all. 1854 01:36:22.119 --> 01:36:23.720 I don't understand. Why are you leaving the bar if 1855 01:36:23.760 --> 01:36:24.239 you're working. 1856 01:36:25.960 --> 01:36:29.359 I think his his job was less to serve patrons 1857 01:36:29.640 --> 01:36:31.960 all night and more to just supervise the people who 1858 01:36:32.000 --> 01:36:33.960 did that was that was my impression. He did work 1859 01:36:34.000 --> 01:36:36.520 the bar, no question, and Don Wilson laid it out 1860 01:36:36.520 --> 01:36:38.520 in as much detail as he could remember, as you 1861 01:36:38.640 --> 01:36:40.560 can't forget this is just one guy that worked there 1862 01:36:40.600 --> 01:36:43.399 for one year, right, He wasn't ut Cogan then, so 1863 01:36:44.199 --> 01:36:47.199 he was barely remembered. But I get the sense that 1864 01:36:47.279 --> 01:36:50.039 he was kind of more supervising things than the person 1865 01:36:50.159 --> 01:36:52.199 that you know that the place had to shut down 1866 01:36:52.199 --> 01:36:55.039 if he wasn't there to serve drinks? What about Brutus 1867 01:36:55.079 --> 01:36:56.880 though it wasn't he He was the door man, he 1868 01:36:57.039 --> 01:36:59.760 was the front zone man, many including don. 1869 01:37:00.119 --> 01:37:02.079 I guess that's true. It's one of many, So I'm like, 1870 01:37:02.119 --> 01:37:03.560 why why does he get to leave too? They were 1871 01:37:03.640 --> 01:37:05.119 kind of made men in a way. It sounds like 1872 01:37:05.199 --> 01:37:10.000 because Whitey basically recruited them to help ran open the place, 1873 01:37:10.199 --> 01:37:15.079 not just work there. Yeah, it's fucking crazy. I would 1874 01:37:15.079 --> 01:37:17.520 have been round and was in. I started smoking pot 1875 01:37:17.520 --> 01:37:19.399 a little bit in the last couple of bands I 1876 01:37:19.560 --> 01:37:22.680 was in, and the other guys would it disappear on me? 1877 01:37:22.800 --> 01:37:25.399 During breaks? I'd, you know, put there are you going? Brother? 1878 01:37:25.880 --> 01:37:25.920 On? 1879 01:37:26.079 --> 01:37:29.119 Of course you asked that question, why am I alone? 1880 01:37:29.119 --> 01:37:31.399 All of a sudden, dude, I'll put the bass guitar 1881 01:37:31.520 --> 01:37:33.000 down and ask, you know, where the fuck did everyone 1882 01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:38.359 want to go? Did they had a secret code to 1883 01:37:38.520 --> 01:37:39.439 lose me or something? 1884 01:37:39.600 --> 01:37:39.880 Brother? 1885 01:37:40.079 --> 01:37:43.720 Oh, here we go? Well and they come back smelling 1886 01:37:43.760 --> 01:37:46.680 like weed. I finally asked David the keyboard player about it, 1887 01:37:46.680 --> 01:37:51.920 and he said, we doing out there, brother, exactly what 1888 01:37:52.039 --> 01:37:53.159 was going on out there? Do you? Why are you 1889 01:37:53.359 --> 01:38:00.880 smoking like pot? Uh Ant was smoking pot? Brother, you're 1890 01:38:00.880 --> 01:38:01.479 smoking pot. 1891 01:38:01.800 --> 01:38:03.800 That's like the most surprising answer to that question he 1892 01:38:03.840 --> 01:38:06.560 could have gotten. Why do you spelling pot? Because I 1893 01:38:06.640 --> 01:38:12.840 was smoking it? What d a rock and roll band? 1894 01:38:13.920 --> 01:38:19.159 Rock and roll? Pot and roll ain't no pot and roll, brother, 1895 01:38:20.960 --> 01:38:28.119 hoot and roll pot and Roid the terry bullet of 1896 01:38:28.239 --> 01:38:29.159 Cocoa Beach years. 1897 01:38:31.960 --> 01:38:35.039 The pot and roll sounds like a sushi item. This 1898 01:38:35.119 --> 01:38:39.000 guy's roting so hard. Oh, it's like it's unbelievable. He's 1899 01:38:39.039 --> 01:38:41.680 got the muscle shirt every day. Like he's got the 1900 01:38:41.800 --> 01:38:44.520 lifestyle too, where he like shows off the muscles twenty 1901 01:38:44.520 --> 01:38:45.960 four hours a day. He doesn't have to go to 1902 01:38:46.039 --> 01:38:47.560 an office, you know what I mean, he doesn't have 1903 01:38:47.600 --> 01:38:48.800 to work at construction site. 1904 01:38:49.279 --> 01:38:54.000 It's like, you know, I I picture like people who 1905 01:38:54.039 --> 01:38:57.680 went to the bar one night they see they see Hogan. 1906 01:38:58.119 --> 01:38:59.520 The next time they come back and he's like all 1907 01:38:59.640 --> 01:39:07.600 fucking ballooned out exactly. It's fucking crazy ballooned. You should 1908 01:39:07.640 --> 01:39:10.319 try it. I never wanted to. I was pretty clean 1909 01:39:10.399 --> 01:39:13.439 cut kid. But on the whole band, you know, went 1910 01:39:13.479 --> 01:39:17.880 on this camping trip down the down the the the 1911 01:39:18.000 --> 01:39:22.399 with Lacuchi River. The what the with Lacuci River? That 1912 01:39:22.560 --> 01:39:31.600 sounds like that sounds exactly the fu Yeah, I used 1913 01:39:31.640 --> 01:39:33.199 to go. I used to go to fuck the pussy 1914 01:39:33.319 --> 01:39:38.359 river too, back in the day with Lakuchi River. And 1915 01:39:38.479 --> 01:39:43.800 I finally smoked joint, nothing happened, smoking another one. Before 1916 01:39:43.840 --> 01:39:47.159 he knew it. I was ordering thirty testosterone before he 1917 01:39:47.239 --> 01:39:51.119 knew it. I was ordering thirty joints for one fucking joint. 1918 01:39:52.439 --> 01:39:56.239 He finally smoked a joint, Nothing happened, so he smoked 1919 01:39:56.239 --> 01:40:04.479 another one. I understand. That's what it gets even more complicated. 1920 01:40:08.680 --> 01:40:14.720 Oh god, nothing happened. Also had four Oh my god, 1921 01:40:15.279 --> 01:40:17.439 most had four or five joints. That first time. I 1922 01:40:17.479 --> 01:40:20.000 didn't feel a thing. Then all of a sudden, we 1923 01:40:20.039 --> 01:40:23.600 stopped to pitch the tent. You pitch the tent down 1924 01:40:23.680 --> 01:40:27.840 with the Lacuchi River. Okay, this now makes sense. That's 1925 01:40:27.840 --> 01:40:30.439 all makes sense. With Lacuchi is what they called Don 1926 01:40:30.479 --> 01:40:46.520 Wilson's penthouse above the with less satisfaxion with Lacuchi popping tents, 1927 01:40:47.199 --> 01:40:53.119 pitching tents, I started started eating everything inside, potato chips, oreos, pussy, 1928 01:40:53.520 --> 01:40:56.359 everything to get my hands on. And they're all laughing. 1929 01:40:56.880 --> 01:41:02.960 He's eating pussy. Look at is eating pussy. They're calling 1930 01:41:03.000 --> 01:41:06.199 him Ahogan of course. Yeah, this is a running joke. 1931 01:41:09.079 --> 01:41:12.920 Oh you're Stone, You're Stone. You got the munchies, man, 1932 01:41:14.000 --> 01:41:16.279 Shure didn't feel like I was stoned? Well, I guess 1933 01:41:16.319 --> 01:41:20.079 I was. Man, That's why those fattening shakes were down 1934 01:41:20.159 --> 01:41:23.119 so easy and go go beach. I was stone, brother. 1935 01:41:26.319 --> 01:41:29.079 I picture him as making a shriek on Tuesday, tight 1936 01:41:29.159 --> 01:41:32.199 into the vents and be like pumping powder. Dude, Oh 1937 01:41:34.760 --> 01:41:39.680 yes I do. Oh my god. I never tell you 1938 01:41:39.760 --> 01:41:44.479 the time I had a a pot brownie. Yeah, and 1939 01:41:44.520 --> 01:41:47.119 you couldn't move, right, I couldn't move. Yeah, I told 1940 01:41:47.119 --> 01:41:53.079 you that one. Yeah, totally, dude, just fucking I could not. 1941 01:41:53.800 --> 01:41:56.479 I I just was so stupid because I ate it 1942 01:41:56.560 --> 01:42:00.159 all so fucking fast. It's good in all, exactly what 1943 01:42:00.199 --> 01:42:03.079 he's describing exactly. Yeah, you know, I mean I didn't 1944 01:42:03.079 --> 01:42:05.399 get the munchies. I was just fucking done. You'd get 1945 01:42:05.399 --> 01:42:09.439 the munchies because you right, I hate the whole brownie 1946 01:42:09.439 --> 01:42:15.439 and I'm like moving, Man, you don't know, do you 1947 01:42:15.560 --> 01:42:18.760 know how you react to that ship exactly? I'm like, 1948 01:42:18.960 --> 01:42:22.319 never again, I'm good. I don't need I don't need 1949 01:42:22.439 --> 01:42:25.920 my my pot cocoa beach brownie. And he stayed fucked up, like, 1950 01:42:26.199 --> 01:42:28.199 come on his whole life? Oh yes, come on, you 1951 01:42:28.359 --> 01:42:30.520 know he was kind of blowing pot his whole life, 1952 01:42:30.600 --> 01:42:33.960 blowing that cush. Give me break, folks, what do you 1953 01:42:34.000 --> 01:42:39.000 think was in Brutus's uh fanny pack? Come on, all right, seriously, 1954 01:42:39.119 --> 01:42:41.600 let's sign minutes words a little bit of the rattle 1955 01:42:41.720 --> 01:42:45.119 rattle in there. Yeah, take the edge off, fire up, 1956 01:42:47.680 --> 01:42:50.199 but donald things up, now things down. Take these things 1957 01:42:50.239 --> 01:42:54.600 back on track, brother, Take things in the next level. 1958 01:42:54.640 --> 01:42:58.079 Take a down level brother, and you know, negotiate things 1959 01:42:58.199 --> 01:43:01.560 they go along. Yep, regulation pop a couple of that 1960 01:43:01.720 --> 01:43:06.039 wide glide. That's pick the long road or a short bus. 1961 01:43:09.640 --> 01:43:12.880 Get a short road and a long metaphors. Run out 1962 01:43:12.920 --> 01:43:18.359 of things to say here, I have the appetizer after 1963 01:43:18.520 --> 01:43:19.800 the ontrosen. 1964 01:43:19.399 --> 01:43:23.920 Brother, starting with dessert first, dude. Right, I'm a living 1965 01:43:24.000 --> 01:43:26.359 dessert first brother. I mean I'm wide gliding on that 1966 01:43:26.800 --> 01:43:27.359 on those guns. 1967 01:43:28.399 --> 01:43:30.920 Starting with the dessert dude, and with the moss roll sticks, 1968 01:43:31.880 --> 01:43:35.159 brother fat and shaked dude, fattening shaked dude. You know 1969 01:43:35.199 --> 01:43:37.399 I have a fucking junk food brother, half a cube 1970 01:43:37.560 --> 01:43:41.479 half I'm gonna for half a cube and does at 1971 01:43:41.520 --> 01:43:44.600 my next shake it's gonna be for terry. I mean 1972 01:43:44.680 --> 01:43:46.840 that's it that. I mean that is not a protein shake. 1973 01:43:46.880 --> 01:43:51.880 That is a milkshake. I bother. Okay, it's gonna taste 1974 01:43:51.880 --> 01:43:54.239 it anyway, or if you're doing that fucking oh no, 1975 01:43:54.319 --> 01:43:56.119 he's talking about how much he said, He said, with 1976 01:43:56.279 --> 01:43:56.720 a half. 1977 01:43:56.600 --> 01:43:56.920 Thing of it. 1978 01:43:57.239 --> 01:44:00.479 Half a cube, which I took to be a little amount, 1979 01:44:00.600 --> 01:44:02.560 not like a thimble, not a big amount. But what's 1980 01:44:02.560 --> 01:44:03.279 a cube? 1981 01:44:04.760 --> 01:44:04.800 Like? 1982 01:44:04.960 --> 01:44:09.760 I ever think an ice cube thing? Yeah, that doesn't 1983 01:44:09.760 --> 01:44:12.479 make any sense. I'm gonna say, what's a cube of 1984 01:44:12.520 --> 01:44:18.239 ice cream? Are you okay? It's gonna say it sounds 1985 01:44:18.319 --> 01:44:23.760 like what are you talking about? A cube of ice 1986 01:44:23.800 --> 01:44:27.640 cream can be a prepackaged treat, often in flavors like 1987 01:44:27.680 --> 01:44:31.600 strawberry chocolate, or unique options like sessing even nolla, okay, 1988 01:44:31.640 --> 01:44:34.840 what what's happening the fuck? Or it can be made 1989 01:44:34.880 --> 01:44:36.279 homemade by no. I just want to know what this 1990 01:44:36.439 --> 01:44:40.119 all can be existing in any shape and ice cream, 1991 01:44:40.119 --> 01:44:43.199 there's nothing cube specific. I didn't know what he's talking 1992 01:44:43.239 --> 01:44:45.439 about regarding cube, because I honestly talked that. It's like 1993 01:44:46.000 --> 01:44:50.239 I usually thought of, like, you know, half a I 1994 01:44:50.800 --> 01:44:52.720 honestly this is what I pictured in my mind because 1995 01:44:52.720 --> 01:44:55.119 I'm looking at I think about it, like, right, you 1996 01:44:55.199 --> 01:44:58.000 get the ice cream, you get an ice cream thing, right, 1997 01:44:58.119 --> 01:45:00.439 and it's like it's like a it's like a tangle, 1998 01:45:00.640 --> 01:45:03.279 a rectangular carton, like the round edges. I don't think 1999 01:45:03.439 --> 01:45:08.039 I'm like half of that. It's ridiculous. I don't know. 2000 01:45:08.119 --> 01:45:10.880 I agree he's but you're talking about it, but you're 2001 01:45:10.880 --> 01:45:13.119 talking about having a whole fucking blender of this ship. 2002 01:45:13.800 --> 01:45:15.840 Come on, man, you can't fill a blender with it 2003 01:45:16.359 --> 01:45:18.319 with an ice cube, a half ice cube of fucking 2004 01:45:18.359 --> 01:45:23.239 ice cream. It's true. I don't know this metal. Yes, 2005 01:45:23.560 --> 01:45:26.920 that's right, brother. I met a ball, dude, I met 2006 01:45:27.000 --> 01:45:31.399 them all. I've done metal ball, done a ball uh 2007 01:45:32.439 --> 01:45:35.479 Barbica have stayed in Cocoa Beach, just living that laid 2008 01:45:35.520 --> 01:45:39.199 back live forever. But but but setting in on one 2009 01:45:39.560 --> 01:45:43.359 spot on the car, setting setting in on one spot 2010 01:45:43.399 --> 01:45:47.319 of the cars in the cards for me wasn't in 2011 01:45:47.359 --> 01:45:49.279 the cars for me. Life is a way of of 2012 01:45:49.399 --> 01:45:52.359 always keeping you in check. Brother, Doesn't it just when 2013 01:45:52.399 --> 01:45:55.239 you just when things seem to be settled and going great. 2014 01:45:55.680 --> 01:45:57.640 The rug is he hanged down from under? You probably like, 2015 01:45:57.640 --> 01:46:00.359 wool brother, what's going on, dude? Exactly? The rug yanked 2016 01:46:00.359 --> 01:46:02.359 out from underhe doesn't that tell you everything you need 2017 01:46:02.399 --> 01:46:05.359 to know, that choice of words being in that year, 2018 01:46:05.439 --> 01:46:08.039 Whiney decided to get married. He'd had it with the 2019 01:46:08.119 --> 01:46:12.000 whole beach scene like this. You know what, Terry, I've 2020 01:46:12.119 --> 01:46:14.399 had it with a beat saint. I'm getting married. I'm 2021 01:46:14.479 --> 01:46:18.680 done nothing to do with the feds. Well, I just 2022 01:46:18.840 --> 01:46:21.039 like the idea that that, you know what, I'm done 2023 01:46:21.079 --> 01:46:24.520 with this. I'm gonna get married now. Fuck the beach scene. 2024 01:46:24.600 --> 01:46:28.079 I'm done. Gotta get married. Oh my god. And he 2025 01:46:28.119 --> 01:46:30.439 decided to sell the bar, and I couldn't keep I 2026 01:46:30.479 --> 01:46:33.439 couldn't keep the gym open without why he's backing, so 2027 01:46:34.000 --> 01:46:37.159 I had to close down too. Poof our little bachelor 2028 01:46:37.239 --> 01:46:40.439 party lifestyle was shut down. The thing was enough time 2029 01:46:40.520 --> 01:46:43.520 had passed that I started to think about wrestling again. 2030 01:46:45.239 --> 01:46:47.800 With a crap I went through took a back seat 2031 01:46:47.840 --> 01:46:50.039 in my mind with that amazing feeling of being in 2032 01:46:50.119 --> 01:46:54.079 the ring with a crowd of people hollering and coo 2033 01:46:54.439 --> 01:46:58.560 and cooing, oh oohing and ooing and aweing to every 2034 01:46:59.000 --> 01:47:01.720 every move. Plus now I have this body on me. 2035 01:47:02.000 --> 01:47:04.239 I finally looked like one of those like those heroes 2036 01:47:04.279 --> 01:47:06.640 I worshiped as a kid. In fact, I look better 2037 01:47:06.720 --> 01:47:09.600 than them. I don't think I think nobody looked like Hulkogan. 2038 01:47:10.479 --> 01:47:13.960 It's a story of steroids, that's all it is. It's 2039 01:47:14.000 --> 01:47:18.079 a story of steroids. But like, nobody looked his size. Ever, 2040 01:47:18.359 --> 01:47:23.239 No nobody did. I started to wonder if I had 2041 01:47:23.239 --> 01:47:25.399 a out of Florida and, you know, away from the 2042 01:47:25.520 --> 01:47:27.279 stigma they had put on me, because of the way 2043 01:47:27.319 --> 01:47:29.520 I had got into this and got into this thing, 2044 01:47:29.800 --> 01:47:31.600 you know, maybe there was a chance that I could 2045 01:47:31.960 --> 01:47:34.760 make the big time. I had a newfound confidence that 2046 01:47:34.880 --> 01:47:37.960 didn't exist back in Tampa. So I called up Superstar 2047 01:47:38.039 --> 01:47:43.520 Billy graham Dude, I think my arms are bigger than yours. Now, Dude, 2048 01:47:43.720 --> 01:47:46.399 I just take my biceps and they're twenty four inches. 2049 01:47:46.960 --> 01:47:50.960 When Superstar Billy Grahams hit twenty two inches in the 2050 01:47:51.039 --> 01:47:53.840 mid seventies, they were considered the biggest guns in the world, 2051 01:47:54.119 --> 01:47:56.920 and all of a sudden, mine were twenty four inches around. 2052 01:47:57.199 --> 01:47:59.720 I couldn't touch my shoulders for like a year. I 2053 01:47:59.840 --> 01:48:03.239 was so blowed it out. Graham couldn't believe his ears. 2054 01:48:03.479 --> 01:48:05.680 If you're that big and you really want to wrestle, 2055 01:48:06.079 --> 01:48:09.159 I'm gonna send you to Louis Killette, And there it is. 2056 01:48:09.640 --> 01:48:14.800 I'm gonna send you to Louis te Leett, also known 2057 01:48:15.880 --> 01:48:20.600 as the guy who saw Hull Cogan and Terry bolea first. First, 2058 01:48:21.279 --> 01:48:23.840 Louis Tillette gets the credit Louis Tillette. 2059 01:48:24.399 --> 01:48:27.000 That's wild. Perhaps it should be Louis Tillay, as he 2060 01:48:27.079 --> 01:48:29.359 was a French Canaryo brother and. 2061 01:48:33.119 --> 01:48:35.720 And you can imagine as a result of his heritage, 2062 01:48:36.399 --> 01:48:40.039 close to Under the Giant and close to Pat Patterson 2063 01:48:40.039 --> 01:48:40.399 as well. 2064 01:48:40.600 --> 01:48:41.279 Sure sure. 2065 01:48:41.479 --> 01:48:44.720 Louis Tillette made his pro wrestling debut in the fifties 2066 01:48:44.760 --> 01:48:47.479 in Minnesota, and then he ended up in and around Alabama, 2067 01:48:47.840 --> 01:48:49.960 where he was Gulf Coast Tag team champion with the 2068 01:48:50.159 --> 01:48:55.720 likes of Jackie Fargo Sonny Fargo. He worked in Texas 2069 01:48:55.800 --> 01:48:59.680 through the sixties. He was Brass Knucks Champion and uh 2070 01:48:59.760 --> 01:49:03.039 TECH his Junior heavyweight champion sixty five. He went out 2071 01:49:03.079 --> 01:49:06.680 to Florida in sixty seven. He was Florida Heavyweight Champion, 2072 01:49:07.279 --> 01:49:11.239 defeating Lester Welch of Ron Fuller's Welch family. So there's 2073 01:49:11.239 --> 01:49:13.079 a connection there all the way back in the sixties. 2074 01:49:13.640 --> 01:49:16.399 He worked with Wahoo McDaniel. He had that up in 2075 01:49:16.520 --> 01:49:21.840 Los Angeles in the seventies and he worked for Continental 2076 01:49:22.239 --> 01:49:27.319 which is another word to use for the Southeastern Territory Yeah, 2077 01:49:27.399 --> 01:49:30.079 to be known as Continental Championship in eighty five, in particular, 2078 01:49:30.199 --> 01:49:33.319 when Fuller tried to put the band back together and 2079 01:49:33.439 --> 01:49:39.079 do a promotion from the ashes of his prior enterprise 2080 01:49:39.640 --> 01:49:42.840 in Knoxville. And after settling in seventy six in Knoxville, 2081 01:49:42.880 --> 01:49:45.479 he basically spent the rest of his career there and 2082 01:49:46.880 --> 01:49:51.920 that's where he comes into contact with Terry Bolea. To 2083 01:49:52.039 --> 01:49:55.079 Lay would wrestle on and off even while booking the territory. 2084 01:49:55.960 --> 01:49:57.800 To hear, Ron Fuller tellent to cut himself in on 2085 01:49:57.880 --> 01:50:00.439 talent pay as well as office pay for now. 2086 01:50:00.399 --> 01:50:01.359 And then you know that goes. 2087 01:50:02.520 --> 01:50:06.319 But retired in nineteen eighty two from the wrestling business. 2088 01:50:06.359 --> 01:50:12.800 He passed away just last year. Wow at well, I 2089 01:50:12.880 --> 01:50:16.159 forget how old he was actually was he was eighty 2090 01:50:16.239 --> 01:50:16.840 nine years old. 2091 01:50:17.079 --> 01:50:17.840 Was Louis Toi Lett. 2092 01:50:18.039 --> 01:50:21.119 So kind of a shame that he was gone by 2093 01:50:21.159 --> 01:50:24.720 the time inspiration struck to do a career retrospective on 2094 01:50:24.800 --> 01:50:26.279 Hulk like this, because man, what a brain. 2095 01:50:26.479 --> 01:50:28.000 That would have been. Oh God. 2096 01:50:28.199 --> 01:50:29.840 And the fact that I don't see a single interview 2097 01:50:29.880 --> 01:50:32.880 that exists of Louis to Lett explaining exactly what he 2098 01:50:33.000 --> 01:50:35.880 saw in Terry Buley and exactly how he executed on 2099 01:50:35.960 --> 01:50:40.159 it is that that's ridicular hyme and if it actually 2100 01:50:40.279 --> 01:50:45.479 please surface it for us, that's unacceptable. Actually, yep, absolutely. 2101 01:50:46.760 --> 01:50:46.800 So. 2102 01:50:47.000 --> 01:50:49.680 A lot of people remembered him fondly upon his passing, 2103 01:50:50.119 --> 01:50:52.520 but he had this, you know, very regional impact on 2104 01:50:52.600 --> 01:50:54.600 the business. It was seemed to me to be very 2105 01:50:54.640 --> 01:50:56.720 easy to be a big deal in pro wrestling in 2106 01:50:56.760 --> 01:50:58.520 the sixties and seventies and never have really heard of 2107 01:50:58.560 --> 01:51:00.359 this guy or dealt with him. The part of the 2108 01:51:00.439 --> 01:51:03.279 country and where Terry Bulay came from and where he 2109 01:51:03.359 --> 01:51:05.439 tried to really break through in the wrestling business. Louis 2110 01:51:05.439 --> 01:51:09.960 Tillette was a man maker. And here in his first book, 2111 01:51:10.000 --> 01:51:13.000 Hogan talks a bit about Louis ti Lett even remembers 2112 01:51:13.079 --> 01:51:16.720 him being an interesting character. Hogan remembers he had these 2113 01:51:16.840 --> 01:51:19.520 dentures to Louis Tillette that he would take out after 2114 01:51:19.600 --> 01:51:22.399 we ate at McDonald's so he could suck the cheese 2115 01:51:22.479 --> 01:51:23.239 out of his teeth. 2116 01:51:23.680 --> 01:51:25.319 I'm sorry, excuse me what now? 2117 01:51:27.239 --> 01:51:28.920 See, I'm surprised that you want me to read that 2118 01:51:29.000 --> 01:51:31.279 again because I thought that would be just something you'd 2119 01:51:31.319 --> 01:51:34.920 breeze right by, something that wouldn't be a detail that 2120 01:51:35.039 --> 01:51:36.119 was really worth anchoring on. 2121 01:51:37.600 --> 01:51:40.279 Definitely not. That's definitely the most important thing you said. 2122 01:51:43.079 --> 01:51:45.840 This is a man, Louis Tillett, according to Hulk Hogan himself, 2123 01:51:45.840 --> 01:51:48.640 who is sure to call out little peccadillos like this 2124 01:51:48.760 --> 01:51:54.439 about everybody he came across. He brings everyone down to earth. Yes, 2125 01:51:54.479 --> 01:51:58.000 apparently when they'd go to McDonald's, Louis Tillette would take 2126 01:51:58.039 --> 01:51:59.760 the dentures out of his mouth so he could suck 2127 01:51:59.760 --> 01:52:02.800 the he's out of his teeth. I mean, you know what, 2128 01:52:02.880 --> 01:52:08.239 My question is, what's the problem, right? And I think 2129 01:52:08.279 --> 01:52:11.600 I careful consideration, right, Listen, I'm not I'm listen you 2130 01:52:11.640 --> 01:52:13.000 know what, and I'll say this, I don't think there's 2131 01:52:13.000 --> 01:52:16.079 any problem at all. It's he's always curious, not at all. Listen. 2132 01:52:16.479 --> 01:52:20.199 It definitely does not make me feel uncomfortable nor is 2133 01:52:20.279 --> 01:52:23.760 it inappropriate. It's just it's just a new a new 2134 01:52:23.800 --> 01:52:25.880 way of looking at things, and I'm always curious as 2135 01:52:25.960 --> 01:52:28.439 to how people live their life. 2136 01:52:28.880 --> 01:52:31.359 A new way of looking at things. The boss declares 2137 01:52:32.439 --> 01:52:36.720 of one Louis Toillette and his acclivities, and the McDonald's, 2138 01:52:37.079 --> 01:52:40.520 Oh my god, that's so fucking news. Picture that you're 2139 01:52:40.520 --> 01:52:42.119 sitting there and the guy takes his teeth out of his. 2140 01:52:42.199 --> 01:52:44.479 Face and hearts ah. 2141 01:52:46.520 --> 01:52:46.680 Ah. 2142 01:52:47.119 --> 01:52:48.399 You know, you know what I picture. This is what 2143 01:52:48.479 --> 01:52:50.880 I picture. Okay, this is what I picture. Right, it's 2144 01:52:50.880 --> 01:52:53.680 gonna be I picture. You remember any of Jones the 2145 01:52:53.680 --> 01:52:57.199 template Doom? Yes, okay, you know the guy, the guy 2146 01:52:57.880 --> 01:52:59.920 they're at the dinner scene. The guy takes the fucking 2147 01:53:00.039 --> 01:53:03.039 and the beatle and takes the shell officers like picking it. 2148 01:53:03.239 --> 01:53:05.479 That's what a picture. He takes the teethousers picking it. 2149 01:53:08.760 --> 01:53:15.319 It's like like like taking his finger to m hm. 2150 01:53:16.760 --> 01:53:20.159 God that government cheese too on top of it. Yeah, 2151 01:53:20.399 --> 01:53:23.720 and you know, because it's like he gets sticky. You know, 2152 01:53:24.039 --> 01:53:30.920 it's not even like blocks of refuse. But he had 2153 01:53:30.960 --> 01:53:35.840 an eye for undiscovered talent, or talent that hadn't proven 2154 01:53:35.960 --> 01:53:38.920 to draw yet but had the potential if if positioned 2155 01:53:38.960 --> 01:53:42.119 correctly to draw. And here is for the first time 2156 01:53:42.199 --> 01:53:45.039 on this episode and this leg of the journey, Ron 2157 01:53:45.079 --> 01:53:48.640 stud himself on the studcast talking about what his booker, 2158 01:53:48.680 --> 01:53:51.000 Louis to Lette saw Terry Bullet. 2159 01:53:51.279 --> 01:53:53.319 But you know, Louis to Let, it wasn't his first 2160 01:53:53.439 --> 01:53:56.359 rodeo man as a booker, and he knew how to 2161 01:53:56.479 --> 01:54:00.079 put a TV together too, And so besides how of 2162 01:54:00.119 --> 01:54:03.319 an a rock and TV, he was also man out 2163 01:54:03.359 --> 01:54:07.279 there locating and looking for talent and he had found 2164 01:54:07.520 --> 01:54:12.000 himself for very green and totally unknown Ras waiting in 2165 01:54:12.079 --> 01:54:16.000 the wings for his first shot. Had started Man and 2166 01:54:17.840 --> 01:54:20.520 he's going to be a big name. And as soon 2167 01:54:20.600 --> 01:54:23.520 as he took the book from my brother Rob in 2168 01:54:23.640 --> 01:54:28.079 early nineteen seventy nine, he began a talent search across 2169 01:54:28.159 --> 01:54:32.840 the country. He knew all kinds of people, all lots 2170 01:54:32.880 --> 01:54:38.119 of promoters, and he had been all around the world wrestling, 2171 01:54:38.680 --> 01:54:42.199 and so he had connections and he just asked and 2172 01:54:42.439 --> 01:54:47.159 just kept looking for something different, somebody that could really 2173 01:54:47.279 --> 01:54:50.920 pop things. So, you know, in the last couple of stuchgas, 2174 01:54:51.600 --> 01:54:54.279 you kind of begin to see these new wrestlers are 2175 01:54:54.359 --> 01:54:57.920 arriving and some of the you know, as some of 2176 01:54:58.000 --> 01:55:02.279 these present wrestlers and started are going to Memphis. He's 2177 01:55:02.359 --> 01:55:05.359 pretty good at bringing in new people. So Louis had 2178 01:55:05.359 --> 01:55:08.199 a great relationship with Eddie Graham and my father, and 2179 01:55:08.600 --> 01:55:13.079 both of those guys were stockholders in the NWA Florida territory, 2180 01:55:14.159 --> 01:55:17.199 and Louis himself had been the booker in that territory 2181 01:55:17.520 --> 01:55:21.279 on several occasions over the ten year twelve year period 2182 01:55:21.319 --> 01:55:27.119 of time. So he contacted Florida office man, which was, 2183 01:55:27.640 --> 01:55:31.119 you know, been probably my first place to call and ask, 2184 01:55:31.600 --> 01:55:34.479 you know. And he asked about new guys that we're training, 2185 01:55:34.840 --> 01:55:37.479 because they trained them there all the time, you know, 2186 01:55:37.640 --> 01:55:40.800 and anybody that he asked about, anybody who had been 2187 01:55:40.840 --> 01:55:43.199 recently trained in the old snake Pit. That's what the 2188 01:55:43.279 --> 01:55:47.920 building was called where they did TV there then that's 2189 01:55:47.920 --> 01:55:50.840 where they trained at. And basically I kind of grew 2190 01:55:50.920 --> 01:55:53.399 up in that snake Pit, so I was very familiar 2191 01:55:53.439 --> 01:55:57.239 with that building. So and he was told about one 2192 01:55:57.319 --> 01:56:02.039 guy in particular, Charlie Lay was the guy that said 2193 01:56:02.079 --> 01:56:06.359 at the very Wrestling Office, which was in that same building, 2194 01:56:06.840 --> 01:56:09.640 been there for many years, and he told Louis that 2195 01:56:10.000 --> 01:56:13.239 there's this big, huge dude that came come in here. 2196 01:56:14.039 --> 01:56:15.600 Uh his name is. 2197 01:56:15.720 --> 01:56:19.520 Terry Bowlea and uh and you know he said, uh, 2198 01:56:20.359 --> 01:56:23.760 he's really big that he says, but you know they 2199 01:56:23.840 --> 01:56:28.880 intended he had They intentionally discouraged him on purpose because 2200 01:56:28.920 --> 01:56:31.640 of some of the trainers didn't believe he had the 2201 01:56:31.760 --> 01:56:36.560 proper attitude. So evidently, yeah, go ahead. 2202 01:56:36.640 --> 01:56:39.319 What what do you mean by discouraged him? What do 2203 01:56:39.399 --> 01:56:39.640 you mean? 2204 01:56:43.319 --> 01:56:46.760 So, well, let's tell you hero. Matt said he'd been 2205 01:56:46.880 --> 01:56:50.479 training guys that that had grown up in that area, 2206 01:56:50.600 --> 01:56:52.880 friends of Mike Graham, that went to school with Mike. 2207 01:56:53.319 --> 01:56:57.960 That turned it to be great. Rather, Matt Suit had 2208 01:56:58.039 --> 01:57:01.600 trained Dick Slater, it's my job, range Steve Kerr. He 2209 01:57:01.760 --> 01:57:05.199 trained Dennis McCord, who's going to be the future Austin Idol. 2210 01:57:05.560 --> 01:57:07.399 That's just the name a few other guys that he 2211 01:57:07.520 --> 01:57:10.560 trained in a snake pitch. Well, he's the one that 2212 01:57:10.800 --> 01:57:17.279 is discouraged. That's called it uh uh the future hop 2213 01:57:17.880 --> 01:57:21.279 uh from continuing to be trained. And he did it 2214 01:57:22.640 --> 01:57:24.560 by breaking his leg on purpose. 2215 01:57:24.760 --> 01:57:28.039 WHOA, WHOA are you serious about? 2216 01:57:28.119 --> 01:57:28.319 Why? 2217 01:57:28.439 --> 01:57:29.239 Why would he do that? 2218 01:57:31.119 --> 01:57:34.000 Because he didn't think Terry was as committed as he 2219 01:57:34.159 --> 01:57:37.760 should be to learning to be a wrestler, and you know, 2220 01:57:37.960 --> 01:57:41.159 he felt like that he wasn't going to be a 2221 01:57:41.239 --> 01:57:44.880 benefit of the business and and he didn't deserve to 2222 01:57:44.920 --> 01:57:46.079 be in the business. 2223 01:57:46.840 --> 01:58:20.399 He's a last fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that 2224 01:58:20.560 --> 01:58:24.000 knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. 2225 01:58:38.439 --> 01:58:41.239 Sick of the ads. Sign up for ad free shows 2226 01:58:41.279 --> 01:58:44.720 and even more content at patreon dot com Slash the 2227 01:58:44.880 --> 01:58:45.520 Lapsed Fan. 2228 01:59:03.920 --> 01:59:09.239 He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and JP Soorro. 2229 01:59:09.760 --> 01:59:11.680 So there you go a lot of different things confirmed there. 2230 01:59:12.800 --> 01:59:14.600 And when he started saying, you know that Louis to 2231 01:59:14.680 --> 01:59:16.000 let put the call in it was old pals in 2232 01:59:16.039 --> 01:59:18.119 Florida and Eddie Graham and stuffed figure out who might 2233 01:59:18.119 --> 01:59:19.720 be good. I was like, oh, wait a minute, here, 2234 01:59:19.880 --> 01:59:23.279 maybe is a chance to confirm that they did see 2235 01:59:23.279 --> 01:59:25.560 potential in the kid and put his name out there. 2236 01:59:25.600 --> 01:59:26.800 But no, it was Charlie Lay. 2237 01:59:26.960 --> 01:59:29.119 Charlie Lay was the guy that Hulk name drops over 2238 01:59:29.159 --> 01:59:31.359 and over again when telling the story of that part 2239 01:59:31.399 --> 01:59:33.600 of his career, going into the snake pit and Sportatorium 2240 01:59:33.600 --> 01:59:35.920 and training un Hero Matsuda. Charlie Lay was the guy 2241 01:59:35.960 --> 01:59:38.159 that basically you know, sold tickets at the front of 2242 01:59:38.479 --> 01:59:41.479 the Sportatorium, and he was basically like the building manager, 2243 01:59:41.520 --> 01:59:43.760 if you will, the office representative in there, and he 2244 01:59:43.960 --> 01:59:45.960 was the guy that would kind of let Hogan in 2245 01:59:46.039 --> 01:59:47.800 the side doors and give Hogan a little bit of 2246 01:59:47.800 --> 01:59:50.680 advice and kind of tell Hogan when he was overstaying 2247 01:59:50.720 --> 01:59:53.720 as welcome. In certain contexts and situations, you could tell 2248 01:59:53.760 --> 01:59:56.520 that Hogan really thought Charlie Lay was his eyes and 2249 01:59:56.560 --> 01:59:59.279 ears in terms of like being close to the power 2250 01:59:59.560 --> 02:00:02.920 nuclear of Championship Biston from Florida. And how lucky for 2251 02:00:03.000 --> 02:00:05.079 him that Louis to let phone down there trying to 2252 02:00:05.079 --> 02:00:07.039 make an impact as a booker that it was Charlie 2253 02:00:07.079 --> 02:00:09.039 Lay who picked up the phone, because he is the 2254 02:00:09.119 --> 02:00:13.079 one that named Hal Cloak, not Jerry Brisco, not Bob 2255 02:00:13.239 --> 02:00:16.600 Orton or Bob Roup, not Eddie or Mike Graham, Charlie Lay, 2256 02:00:17.159 --> 02:00:19.960 and we're on our way and Louis Wow to let 2257 02:00:20.039 --> 02:00:22.840 being familiar down there. It's also very fortuitous for Terry 2258 02:00:23.479 --> 02:00:26.079 that you're in a situation where there's a new booker 2259 02:00:26.199 --> 02:00:27.840 in a territory and he's trying to make a name 2260 02:00:27.880 --> 02:00:29.319 for himself, and how do you make a name for 2261 02:00:29.399 --> 02:00:33.119 yourself draw money with a guy that wasn't already a 2262 02:00:33.239 --> 02:00:35.800 money draw to begin with. That's what you want to do, 2263 02:00:36.199 --> 02:00:37.840 but you don't want to upset that apple cart. You know, 2264 02:00:37.840 --> 02:00:40.000 if Terry was looking to break in at a time 2265 02:00:40.079 --> 02:00:41.920 when you know the booker and Gulf Coast was the 2266 02:00:41.920 --> 02:00:44.279 guy that had been there for ten twelve years, something 2267 02:00:44.319 --> 02:00:46.119 tells me to be a lot harder for him to 2268 02:00:46.119 --> 02:00:48.880 get this kind of opportunity, because that booker isn't looking 2269 02:00:48.920 --> 02:00:51.520 to completely reinvent the wheel and create a new reputation 2270 02:00:51.600 --> 02:00:54.359 for himself. But Louis Tillett was in exactly that position, 2271 02:00:54.800 --> 02:00:57.239 and so the timing was perfect. As Hogan says in 2272 02:00:57.279 --> 02:00:59.560 his first book, to Let was this French Canadian guy 2273 02:00:59.560 --> 02:01:02.199 who were in the Alabama Wrestling Territory, which covered Pensacola 2274 02:01:02.199 --> 02:01:05.159 and Panama City, basically that whole northern Florida Panhandle. I 2275 02:01:05.279 --> 02:01:07.039 was pumped, I was ready. I asked Brutus if he 2276 02:01:07.079 --> 02:01:09.279 wanted to come along. He didn't know a thing about wrestling, 2277 02:01:09.319 --> 02:01:11.079 but I promised to teach him everything I knew, and 2278 02:01:11.119 --> 02:01:13.399 I wouldn't torture him like I'd been torkuh So now 2279 02:01:13.439 --> 02:01:16.439 he does about wrestling. Now, all that training didn't happen 2280 02:01:16.479 --> 02:01:20.960 in Coco Beach. Apparently all right, we already had the 2281 02:01:20.960 --> 02:01:22.880 body in the size, and I figured wrestling would be 2282 02:01:22.920 --> 02:01:24.600 a lot more fun with a partner in crime along 2283 02:01:24.640 --> 02:01:26.479 for the ride, Which is the inverse of him of 2284 02:01:26.760 --> 02:01:29.319 at Leslie saying that it was actually him inquiring about 2285 02:01:29.359 --> 02:01:32.560 becoming a wrestler himself and Coco Beats that got Terry 2286 02:01:32.680 --> 02:01:36.279 interested in trying wrestling again. Here Terry is taking the initiative, 2287 02:01:36.359 --> 02:01:39.720 making the contacts and asking Eddie, who has no interest 2288 02:01:39.760 --> 02:01:42.600 apparently in coming along. He was one hundred percent in 2289 02:01:43.159 --> 02:01:45.359 Terry writes, and so was I. So we packed up 2290 02:01:45.399 --> 02:01:48.119 my customized gold Dodge van that I'd bought from Whitey, 2291 02:01:48.319 --> 02:01:50.640 I said goodbye to Cocoa Beach and I drove off 2292 02:01:50.680 --> 02:01:54.439 to Alabama. It was the start of a whole new adventure. 2293 02:01:55.560 --> 02:02:01.000 I'm reminded of some lyrics that Solar System member pointed 2294 02:02:01.039 --> 02:02:04.119 out on Patreon. Songwrite by the name of Connor Oburst, 2295 02:02:04.119 --> 02:02:06.600 who wrote a song Cape Canaveral, which of course is 2296 02:02:07.279 --> 02:02:10.239 proximate to Cocoa Beach. Right there, as we talked about 2297 02:02:10.279 --> 02:02:12.039 a Whitey Bridges would even set up, like you know, 2298 02:02:12.399 --> 02:02:15.000 cocktails and promotional events for his bar when people stood 2299 02:02:15.039 --> 02:02:17.760 around to watch. Tourists would come to watch the launches 2300 02:02:17.800 --> 02:02:22.319 from Cape Canaveral. And A Kalico is the Solar System 2301 02:02:22.359 --> 02:02:25.560 member's name, And he pointed out as we were chronicling 2302 02:02:25.600 --> 02:02:27.520 the end of the Cocoa Beach run for Terry, the 2303 02:02:27.640 --> 02:02:31.159 lyrics go something like this, and watch the migrants smoke 2304 02:02:31.239 --> 02:02:33.920 in the old orange grove and the red rocket blaze 2305 02:02:33.920 --> 02:02:36.800 over Cape Canaveral. You've been a father to me. Your 2306 02:02:36.920 --> 02:02:40.800 nineteen sixties speak give me comatose joy like rerun TV 2307 02:02:41.279 --> 02:02:44.600 while the mountainside was shining wild colors of my destiny. 2308 02:02:44.920 --> 02:02:48.439 I watched your face age backwards, changing shape and my memory. 2309 02:02:48.840 --> 02:02:55.199 You taught me victory sweet, even deep in the cheap seats. Hey, hey, hey, mother, Interstate, 2310 02:02:55.960 --> 02:02:59.479 can you deliver me from evil, make me honest, make 2311 02:02:59.520 --> 02:03:03.760 me wedding cake a tone? I will atone. Wait wait, wait, 2312 02:03:03.920 --> 02:03:08.319 mighty outer space. All that flying saucer terror made me lazy, 2313 02:03:08.720 --> 02:03:12.359 drinking lemonade a waste. It just went to waste, like 2314 02:03:12.439 --> 02:03:14.800 the free on cold out the hotel door, or the 2315 02:03:14.840 --> 02:03:17.640 white rocket fade over Cape Canaveral. You've been a daughter 2316 02:03:17.720 --> 02:03:20.359 to me. You're a buried shoe box grief. I felt 2317 02:03:20.399 --> 02:03:23.920 your poultergeist love like Savannah heat while the waterfall was 2318 02:03:23.960 --> 02:03:27.520 pouring crazy symbols of my destiny. I watched your face 2319 02:03:27.640 --> 02:03:30.239 die backwards, little baby, in my memory you told me 2320 02:03:30.359 --> 02:03:34.319 victory sweet, even deep in the cheap seats. Time to 2321 02:03:34.439 --> 02:03:37.439 leave Cape Canaveral behind, Boss, time to leave Cocoa Beach behind, 2322 02:03:37.760 --> 02:03:39.960 and time to make a run for this thiszing. 2323 02:03:42.119 --> 02:03:44.640 Dallas ing up, brother, this thiszzing up brother. 2324 02:03:44.600 --> 02:03:47.760 And my god, does it happen at a good time 2325 02:03:47.960 --> 02:03:52.960 for cultural inspiration, Because, as we've already referenced, Louis Ferrigno 2326 02:03:53.439 --> 02:03:56.279 had already taken incredible Hulk to a totally different level 2327 02:03:56.680 --> 02:03:58.439 under the tutelage of the director. 2328 02:03:58.840 --> 02:03:59.720 What is it? Lee Johnson? 2329 02:04:01.319 --> 02:04:04.399 Know, Ken Ken, Ken Johnson? How could I forget the 2330 02:04:04.439 --> 02:04:06.119 former slick or the future slick? 2331 02:04:06.760 --> 02:04:07.640 Of course not, but. 2332 02:04:09.279 --> 02:04:12.920 Great chronicling of all of the kind of conceptual and 2333 02:04:13.039 --> 02:04:16.399 creative back and forth about what the Ferigno hope would 2334 02:04:16.399 --> 02:04:18.720 look like. We talked about how there was even an 2335 02:04:18.800 --> 02:04:22.079 argument to make Hulk red instead of green. Oh my god, 2336 02:04:22.199 --> 02:04:24.720 I couldn't help but perk up when Ron Fuller and 2337 02:04:24.760 --> 02:04:27.000 that clip we just played sat hulkless green. It's like, yeah, 2338 02:04:27.039 --> 02:04:28.319 you better believe he fucking was. 2339 02:04:29.039 --> 02:04:30.640 You better believe he was. 2340 02:04:31.720 --> 02:04:35.760 And it leads to the most apocryphal of Hogan tales. 2341 02:04:35.840 --> 02:04:38.560 And this is something that I defy you to find 2342 02:04:38.720 --> 02:04:42.319 anything close to empirical proof of. But it sets us 2343 02:04:42.359 --> 02:04:45.319 on the course to see this initial run as not 2344 02:04:45.439 --> 02:04:48.680 only a huge breakthrough for Terry Bolea, but in my opinion, 2345 02:04:48.960 --> 02:04:52.399 to my thesis, a constant running away from being sued 2346 02:04:52.439 --> 02:04:55.359 by Marvel for ripping off the Hulk like this to 2347 02:04:55.439 --> 02:04:58.039 make a note for himself. This is from Hogan's second book, 2348 02:04:58.279 --> 02:05:00.439 and to hear him tell it, this is how the 2349 02:05:00.520 --> 02:05:03.199 worlds of loof for Rigno's Hulk and his wrestling Hulk 2350 02:05:03.439 --> 02:05:06.520 collide in Alabama. You know, later on, while I was 2351 02:05:06.560 --> 02:05:09.560 wrestling for Louis to Lay, I showed up at a 2352 02:05:09.600 --> 02:05:13.279 morning talk show in Mobile, Alabama to promote a wrestling event. 2353 02:05:13.680 --> 02:05:15.560 The other guest was a guy named lou f Forrigno, 2354 02:05:15.800 --> 02:05:18.000 who was staring with Bill Bixby on a TV show 2355 02:05:18.039 --> 02:05:20.960 called The Incredible hulk If. Rigno was travel around the 2356 02:05:20.960 --> 02:05:23.720 country to plug his series, which wasn't doing so well 2357 02:05:23.760 --> 02:05:27.920 in the ratings, which if you know, if he listened, 2358 02:05:28.119 --> 02:05:31.439 wasn't well in the ratings. We know it was doing 2359 02:05:31.640 --> 02:05:35.359 exceptional phenomenal in the ratings. It was doing exceptionally well 2360 02:05:35.399 --> 02:05:37.000 in the ratings all in, and when it could talk 2361 02:05:37.000 --> 02:05:38.800 about it seemed like to be right. 2362 02:05:39.039 --> 02:05:39.239 It was. 2363 02:05:39.439 --> 02:05:44.840 It was, you know, within the top fifty shows pretty 2364 02:05:44.880 --> 02:05:47.199 much its entire run at a time when that rually 2365 02:05:47.279 --> 02:05:49.439 bent something, it did mean something for forty nine and 2366 02:05:49.520 --> 02:05:54.640 fifty were doing huge numbers compared to today. Right, So 2367 02:05:54.720 --> 02:05:57.680 in between shooting schedules, they kept him on the road 2368 02:05:58.119 --> 02:06:02.039 working all the local markets, which also they didn't. Okay, 2369 02:06:02.520 --> 02:06:05.640 like I'm going to tell you this, I don't know 2370 02:06:05.680 --> 02:06:09.000 if I even really brought this up as much, but 2371 02:06:09.239 --> 02:06:13.279 if you do, so, I did do lengthy, lengthy, lengthy 2372 02:06:13.399 --> 02:06:18.239 searches to you know, in different you know, like I 2373 02:06:18.359 --> 02:06:21.760 went down I went, I tried. I went down my own, 2374 02:06:22.359 --> 02:06:25.720 my own rabbit hole, okay, trying to find any evidence 2375 02:06:25.760 --> 02:06:28.399 of this. I wanted to find something. I wanted to 2376 02:06:28.399 --> 02:06:30.239 see if there was any inkling that they were ever 2377 02:06:30.359 --> 02:06:33.600 on a talk show together. So I would just sometimes 2378 02:06:33.640 --> 02:06:39.520 even do just do a search for Lou Farigno and 2379 02:06:39.840 --> 02:06:45.000 just isolate the area, like isolate Alabama for example, and 2380 02:06:45.119 --> 02:06:47.920 see what you know where lufrigo and you know, it 2381 02:06:48.000 --> 02:06:51.520 still brings out so many different But what I did 2382 02:06:51.640 --> 02:06:54.680 notice was that there he was on talk shows. These 2383 02:06:54.720 --> 02:06:58.720 were nationally televised talk shows. These are not local talk shows. 2384 02:06:59.239 --> 02:07:05.000 Not once did any local newspaper ever say, hey, he's 2385 02:07:05.039 --> 02:07:10.880 going to be on our little fucking rinkeddink talk show. Never. 2386 02:07:11.119 --> 02:07:14.239 It was always big Lu Forrigno was a big star 2387 02:07:14.399 --> 02:07:17.000 at that point, and not just because of the hope, 2388 02:07:17.000 --> 02:07:23.880 but because of pumping iron like it's to even insinuate 2389 02:07:24.199 --> 02:07:26.880 that he was doing something like that was just complete 2390 02:07:27.000 --> 02:07:32.600 it's just complete blowney. Yeah, especially for him to be 2391 02:07:32.720 --> 02:07:38.119 on the same TV show as this local rest right right. 2392 02:07:38.920 --> 02:07:42.600 I find that because here's the thing. He was Hulk 2393 02:07:43.239 --> 02:07:47.560 for the beginning, right right, There wasn't it. There wasn't 2394 02:07:47.560 --> 02:07:49.399 like a period where he was in Alabama for a 2395 02:07:49.479 --> 02:07:52.640 while and they weren't calling the Hulk. All the evidence 2396 02:07:52.720 --> 02:07:54.880 we have, and the testimony we have from A. Ron Fuller, 2397 02:07:55.119 --> 02:07:56.479 is that he was brought in and called the Hulk 2398 02:07:56.520 --> 02:07:57.960 from the beginning. There was a time when he was 2399 02:07:58.000 --> 02:08:00.000 called Stertling, the Hulk Golden, but the Hulk was always 2400 02:08:00.199 --> 02:08:02.680 in play, according to ron fully and according to the 2401 02:08:02.760 --> 02:08:06.960 results you see everywhere. So where is this time period 2402 02:08:07.600 --> 02:08:10.600 for him You're going to read the rest of the story, 2403 02:08:10.640 --> 02:08:12.680 But where is this time period for people to get 2404 02:08:12.680 --> 02:08:14.279 the bright idea to call him the Hulk? After he 2405 02:08:14.359 --> 02:08:16.439 had already been a big enough star in Alabama to 2406 02:08:16.520 --> 02:08:18.640 be invited on a local talk show in the first place, 2407 02:08:19.239 --> 02:08:23.680 right exactly, So, in between shooting schedules, they kept him 2408 02:08:23.680 --> 02:08:25.760 on the road working on all the local markets. And 2409 02:08:25.800 --> 02:08:27.840 when I got on the show, the host looked at 2410 02:08:27.840 --> 02:08:29.319 for Ignot and he looked at me and he said, my, 2411 02:08:29.479 --> 02:08:32.119 oh my god, you're bigger than Loof for Regno, you're 2412 02:08:32.119 --> 02:08:33.880 bigger than the Hulk. And I said, that's because I'm 2413 02:08:33.920 --> 02:08:35.920 the real Hulk. Just in case Lou. 2414 02:08:35.880 --> 02:08:38.439 Doesn't confirm that this ever happened, Hulk Scott an Ason 2415 02:08:38.479 --> 02:08:39.600 the hole on that one, doesn't he. 2416 02:08:39.640 --> 02:08:42.039 Yeah, Now, I have a gift to gab and Lou 2417 02:08:42.119 --> 02:08:43.920 had a bit of a speech impediment at that time, 2418 02:08:44.319 --> 02:08:45.960 and as a result of a hearing loss. 2419 02:08:46.119 --> 02:08:48.199 I didn't want to to run him down hearing loss. 2420 02:08:48.640 --> 02:08:51.640 If Lou doesn't remember someone saying that about him being 2421 02:08:51.760 --> 02:08:52.840 bigger than Lou. 2422 02:08:52.760 --> 02:08:58.119 For Rigno, right, which also the the last clip that 2423 02:08:58.199 --> 02:09:01.239 I that I played too. I was worrying that you 2424 02:09:01.319 --> 02:09:03.800 were going to come up with some thing where says 2425 02:09:03.840 --> 02:09:06.079 he remembers the talk show. But no, and and and 2426 02:09:06.199 --> 02:09:07.960 they and the best and the thing is like the 2427 02:09:08.159 --> 02:09:12.520 the the the local Tampa news, they say, And Lou 2428 02:09:12.640 --> 02:09:16.800 Forigno even met and remembers the show. They say that, 2429 02:09:17.439 --> 02:09:23.119 But not once does Lou Figno ever mention talk show 2430 02:09:23.800 --> 02:09:28.439 he talks about at the scene. He says, when Hogan 2431 02:09:28.560 --> 02:09:31.840 came on the scene, he does not talk about a 2432 02:09:31.920 --> 02:09:34.840 talk show. He does not talk about anything in that regard, 2433 02:09:34.880 --> 02:09:37.439 which also means like, why are you saying he remembers 2434 02:09:37.479 --> 02:09:40.039 something when he doesn't even mention it, right, Like what 2435 02:09:40.159 --> 02:09:42.479 do you? What is that? 2436 02:09:42.720 --> 02:09:42.760 That? 2437 02:09:42.880 --> 02:09:44.279 To me is weird journalism. 2438 02:09:44.920 --> 02:09:47.880 Yeah, well, they probably read like a Wikipedia about this 2439 02:09:47.920 --> 02:09:50.399 story that we're reading right now and asked him about it, 2440 02:09:50.760 --> 02:09:53.960 and Frigno probably just said, yeah, yeah, yeah, just. 2441 02:09:54.000 --> 02:09:55.399 You know, kind of blee past it. 2442 02:09:55.439 --> 02:09:57.279 Because if they had Lou Frigno on tape in that 2443 02:09:57.359 --> 02:09:59.800 interview confirming the day he was in the studio when 2444 02:09:59.840 --> 02:10:02.359 He'll Cogan got the name, they would play that clip 2445 02:10:03.119 --> 02:10:06.600 exactly it is somewhere lu Frigna would have said it one. 2446 02:10:06.680 --> 02:10:09.960 I mean, Metallico was asked about Hogan. Laila Ali was 2447 02:10:10.000 --> 02:10:12.119 asked about the whole Hogan, you know, getting the phone 2448 02:10:12.159 --> 02:10:15.239 call preventing his suicide. We played it on total NonStop Hogan. 2449 02:10:15.319 --> 02:10:18.079 She was like, I remember doing that. Eventually people are 2450 02:10:18.119 --> 02:10:21.840 going to ask the subjects of these stories about this, right, 2451 02:10:23.119 --> 02:10:25.279 And again, what's so weird is that they that they would, 2452 02:10:25.960 --> 02:10:29.680 you know, ask and he wouldn't even he didn't say it, 2453 02:10:29.920 --> 02:10:32.399 and they still say that he said it. And this 2454 02:10:32.520 --> 02:10:35.039 gets to part of my thesis of why Hulk himself 2455 02:10:35.279 --> 02:10:39.800 always severely underplayed this part of his career in life 2456 02:10:40.520 --> 02:10:43.680 is it's because it puts a date specific on how 2457 02:10:43.800 --> 02:10:47.399 long back prior from a prior use copyright perspective, he 2458 02:10:47.600 --> 02:10:50.680 was out there calling himself the Hulk. And we know 2459 02:10:51.000 --> 02:10:56.439 from from court filings that Marvel had a copyright on 2460 02:10:56.520 --> 02:11:00.760 The Incredible Hulk since May twelfth, nineteen seventy. Republications, Books, 2461 02:11:00.840 --> 02:11:05.119 magazine Stories, they had a copyright since nineteen sixty three 2462 02:11:05.239 --> 02:11:08.359 on just the word Hulk in publications, they had a 2463 02:11:08.479 --> 02:11:12.600 copyright since eighty three for Hulk for toys, games, and 2464 02:11:12.680 --> 02:11:14.479 play things, which is going to be a problem when 2465 02:11:14.479 --> 02:11:18.239 a certain company wants to start, yeah, marketing toys and things. 2466 02:11:18.279 --> 02:11:20.079 But going all the way back to even the sixties, 2467 02:11:20.880 --> 02:11:26.359 they have a claimer in this name, of course, like. 2468 02:11:26.479 --> 02:11:29.119 If you have a plus the host did my job 2469 02:11:29.239 --> 02:11:31.720 for me. Gosh, you said your arms are so much 2470 02:11:31.760 --> 02:11:33.600 bigger than his and looks as if you arm wrestled 2471 02:11:33.680 --> 02:11:36.319 him and you break his arm. Actually, lou Forrigno was 2472 02:11:36.359 --> 02:11:40.600 an unbelievable, unbelievable specimen, a real dedicated bodybuilder, and his 2473 02:11:40.760 --> 02:11:43.279 arms were in much better shape than mine. But I 2474 02:11:43.399 --> 02:11:46.520 had more bulk on me, and my clothes were probably tighter, 2475 02:11:46.600 --> 02:11:48.640 so I looked larger. And that night when I got 2476 02:11:48.640 --> 02:11:50.359 to the arena and went back to the locker room, 2477 02:11:50.439 --> 02:11:52.680 all the boys started to call me Hulk, and they 2478 02:11:52.720 --> 02:11:54.600 said they saw me on television. I was bigger than 2479 02:11:54.680 --> 02:11:57.680 Lou Forigno, and the name just stuck, just stuck. 2480 02:11:58.079 --> 02:12:01.880 Whenever someone says just stuck, it's always false. It's such 2481 02:12:01.880 --> 02:12:06.000 a bold just stick, give me a break. So I mean, 2482 02:12:06.239 --> 02:12:09.520 for what it's worth, Meltzer said in his obituary on Hogan, 2483 02:12:09.600 --> 02:12:11.359 this was totally made up, Like this is just not 2484 02:12:11.920 --> 02:12:15.159 not something that happened. And again, it's just you would 2485 02:12:15.199 --> 02:12:16.960 think if it did, we would have heard about it. 2486 02:12:17.159 --> 02:12:20.199 And even if it did, there's no way he wasn't 2487 02:12:20.239 --> 02:12:23.600 being called the Hulk before this. And if you want 2488 02:12:24.000 --> 02:12:26.039 proof to that degree, why don't we just turn to 2489 02:12:26.199 --> 02:12:28.319 the folder boss. I mean, let's start marching through some 2490 02:12:28.439 --> 02:12:30.239 of these materials that we have to present to the 2491 02:12:30.319 --> 02:12:35.600 solar system. This is March twenty second of seventy nine. Okay, 2492 02:12:36.680 --> 02:12:39.600 who's coming in? Why don't you read this article from 2493 02:12:39.640 --> 02:12:43.840 the Panama City, Florida News Herald, Sunday, March eighteenth, nineteen 2494 02:12:43.920 --> 02:12:48.479 seventy nine, Sunday, March very first one. You see right 2495 02:12:48.560 --> 02:12:51.680 there in the Alabama twenty second That's what I meant. 2496 02:12:51.680 --> 02:12:57.840 I'm sorry. Oh okay, okay, yep. Ken Lucas Hulk on 2497 02:12:58.000 --> 02:13:03.960 Wrestling Bill Hulk Es yep. Some new faces, including the 2498 02:13:04.119 --> 02:13:06.800 Hulk six foot six inch, two hundred and ninety nine 2499 02:13:06.920 --> 02:13:10.079 pound wrestler, will be on next Thursday Night's card at 2500 02:13:10.239 --> 02:13:14.000 Bowl Air Wrestling Arena. Ken Lucas an old favorite, we'll 2501 02:13:14.039 --> 02:13:16.479 be back in action here. He is remembered by many 2502 02:13:16.600 --> 02:13:18.960 fans as one of the best grapplers ever to hit 2503 02:13:19.079 --> 02:13:22.239 this section. The main event will be a Death Texas 2504 02:13:22.279 --> 02:13:27.319 Deaf Match notice qualification between two masked men, The Rough 2505 02:13:27.520 --> 02:13:30.439 Gladiator and the and the Wrestling Pro. These are all 2506 02:13:30.479 --> 02:13:35.399 fucking great names. Wrestling Pro Ken Lucas Gladiator, the Rough 2507 02:13:35.439 --> 02:13:38.840 Gladiator and the Wrestling Pro who prefers to wrestle clean 2508 02:13:39.479 --> 02:13:41.960 falls will not count in this match, which will end 2509 02:13:42.039 --> 02:13:44.760 only when one of the two men is unable to continue. 2510 02:13:45.439 --> 02:13:49.520 A tag match between will Pit the Rough team of David, 2511 02:13:49.600 --> 02:13:53.600 Doctor d Schultz and pretty Boy Wayne Ferris Oh against 2512 02:13:53.720 --> 02:13:59.800 Lucas and Norville Austin. Yes, there will be a special 2513 02:14:00.119 --> 02:14:05.359 challenge match between Terry Latham brother and the Rugged Eddie Sullivan. 2514 02:14:09.039 --> 02:14:13.960 So Wayne Ferrow, what's that way? But no talking about 2515 02:14:13.960 --> 02:14:16.239 who the Hulk is facing though I doubt it's just 2516 02:14:16.399 --> 02:14:18.119 the Hulk is going to be there and it doesn't 2517 02:14:18.159 --> 02:14:22.960 say Terry Boulder. So if you're going to tell me that, yeah, 2518 02:14:23.199 --> 02:14:25.079 he came up with the Hulk name after because he 2519 02:14:25.199 --> 02:14:26.840 was on this talk show and he came in as 2520 02:14:26.920 --> 02:14:29.520 Terry Boulder, then what this is the earliest you'll see 2521 02:14:29.560 --> 02:14:33.560 any reference in any database Terry Bully A wrestling in Alabama. 2522 02:14:33.880 --> 02:14:36.159 There's a contemporaries news clipping right here of the show, 2523 02:14:36.600 --> 02:14:40.359 and they call him the Hulk. Okay, it's extremely clear 2524 02:14:41.119 --> 02:14:44.520 what it is they're doing them. They're using this this 2525 02:14:45.119 --> 02:14:49.079 mark without any permission whatsoever and running away with it. 2526 02:14:49.439 --> 02:14:53.600 And that's going to catch up to them eventually. Not them, 2527 02:14:53.960 --> 02:14:56.560 that is to say, but Hulk as he tries to 2528 02:14:57.279 --> 02:15:03.720 continue building a multi million dollar enterprise and franchise around 2529 02:15:03.800 --> 02:15:08.199 this name without ever bothering to see if Marvel has. 2530 02:15:08.079 --> 02:15:10.640 A problem with it. Yep, better believe they will. 2531 02:15:10.960 --> 02:15:13.840 Of course, The Wrestling Pro was their masked version of 2532 02:15:13.960 --> 02:15:17.159 you know, mister Wrestling or whatever you want to say, 2533 02:15:17.279 --> 02:15:22.159 the highly technical masked babyface that most territories seem to 2534 02:15:22.239 --> 02:15:23.960 have a version of the grappler. 2535 02:15:23.760 --> 02:15:30.560 With another one. Fucking funny. This is hilarious, Like, you know, 2536 02:15:30.600 --> 02:15:33.159 I'm having this masked. I mean, honestly, it's no different 2537 02:15:33.199 --> 02:15:36.399 than doink, right, you know, it's the same fucking thing, 2538 02:15:36.479 --> 02:15:39.560 the clown who can fucking wrestle, let's take it. It 2539 02:15:39.640 --> 02:15:43.399 sounds like pretty much every wrestler to the next next week, 2540 02:15:43.479 --> 02:15:46.199 I believe. The next clipping we have here, this is 2541 02:15:46.239 --> 02:15:49.079 also from the News Herald in Panama City and it's 2542 02:15:49.119 --> 02:15:54.279 March twentieth, seventy nine. Let me read it please? Oh yeah, 2543 02:15:56.600 --> 02:16:00.680 wrestling title about tonight, Norville, Austin popular the wrestling fans 2544 02:16:00.720 --> 02:16:04.279 in these parts will try to dislodge David Doctor D 2545 02:16:04.359 --> 02:16:07.000 Schultz from his Gulf Coast Heavyweight Championship belt. In one 2546 02:16:07.000 --> 02:16:09.840 of the main events tonight at Bowl Air Wrestling Arena, 2547 02:16:10.279 --> 02:16:13.560 a six man tag team will be a co feature. 2548 02:16:14.039 --> 02:16:17.439 It will pit Rip Tyler, Eddie Sullivan and the Masked 2549 02:16:17.520 --> 02:16:21.560 Gladiator against the people's choice of Ricky Fields, Terry Latham 2550 02:16:21.640 --> 02:16:25.439 and Roy Welch. The wrestling pro will take on the 2551 02:16:25.560 --> 02:16:29.279 Hulk what six six and seventy five pound Mammoth in 2552 02:16:29.359 --> 02:16:30.720 a challenge match. 2553 02:16:30.880 --> 02:16:34.799 Two hundred and seventy five pound Mammoth is Advertisemoth the Hulk. 2554 02:16:35.079 --> 02:16:40.200 That's it. The Hulk Ben Alexander will wrestle Pretty Boy Ferris, 2555 02:16:40.319 --> 02:16:42.239 and there will be another match beginning at eight pm. 2556 02:16:43.040 --> 02:16:46.200 Be there, indeed, Pretty Boy Wayne Ferris of course the 2557 02:16:46.239 --> 02:16:48.600 future Hunky tonk Man. Yes, we'll also wrestle in this 2558 02:16:48.719 --> 02:16:52.040 territory as Punk Rock Wayne Ferris, which is a hilarious event. 2559 02:16:52.319 --> 02:16:56.639 That's a very fucking funny, funny thing to think about. 2560 02:16:56.680 --> 02:16:58.360 Punk Rock Wayne Ferris. That's wild. 2561 02:16:58.520 --> 02:17:01.520 As we'll talk about further, this is where hul Cogan 2562 02:17:01.600 --> 02:17:05.319 met David Schultz and formed a friendship that ended up 2563 02:17:05.360 --> 02:17:09.120 having so many different twists and turns and so many 2564 02:17:09.159 --> 02:17:15.239 different ramifications on hul Cogan's life and career, from working 2565 02:17:15.319 --> 02:17:17.719 with Schultz as a top opponent in the AWA to 2566 02:17:17.840 --> 02:17:19.840 Schultz being the one that was out there in front 2567 02:17:19.879 --> 02:17:22.760 of the media cameras when Hulk was denying steroid use 2568 02:17:22.760 --> 02:17:25.680 in ourcineo hall, going on shows like Inside Edition and 2569 02:17:25.760 --> 02:17:28.479 phone and radio shows, talking to pretty much seemed like 2570 02:17:28.479 --> 02:17:30.239 anyone who would listen as he was working on a book, 2571 02:17:30.280 --> 02:17:33.920 and things about how Hulk would shoot up steroids when 2572 02:17:33.920 --> 02:17:36.360 they were friends. Guess where in this territory the Gulf 2573 02:17:36.440 --> 02:17:39.719 Coast or in fact, for a time Hulk Cogan even 2574 02:17:39.799 --> 02:17:44.440 lived with David Schultz and in exchange for what you'd ask, well, 2575 02:17:45.280 --> 02:17:49.200 not exactly rent money. Yes, according to David Schultz. As 2576 02:17:49.239 --> 02:17:50.760 we'll get to, so you're trying to see this is 2577 02:17:50.799 --> 02:17:55.479 the first time ever that newspaper readers would start to 2578 02:17:55.520 --> 02:18:00.399 hear about the Hulk and think about Terry Bolea is massive. 2579 02:18:01.000 --> 02:18:04.360 This is South Eastern Championship wrestling. That's pretty much the 2580 02:18:05.360 --> 02:18:07.520 the go to market name of the territory. And so 2581 02:18:07.719 --> 02:18:09.680 while we've got to quin ourselves, we've got to do this. 2582 02:18:10.000 --> 02:18:13.159 It's got to be done. Even though very limited footage exists. 2583 02:18:13.680 --> 02:18:15.959 Here's what it would have sounded like when folks PLoP 2584 02:18:16.079 --> 02:18:19.399 down in front of their TV and mobile or Montgomery 2585 02:18:19.760 --> 02:18:22.200 or I don't know, how about a little uh dothan 2586 02:18:22.840 --> 02:18:23.799 oh yet to take it in. 2587 02:18:24.079 --> 02:18:30.200 South Eastern Championship rustlay handle waders and television wrestling with let's. 2588 02:18:30.079 --> 02:18:33.799 Grant Instant and other technical persons. 2589 02:18:34.159 --> 02:18:37.079 In the program, A number one by the Wrestling Whitiers 2590 02:18:37.120 --> 02:18:40.840 Federation Join us Now, or a fast faced competition the 2591 02:18:40.959 --> 02:18:45.319 Professional Wrestling Patraul topspuires from the world's largest governing body, 2592 02:18:45.639 --> 02:18:46.959 the National Wrestling Alliance. 2593 02:18:48.159 --> 02:18:51.760 So that's fucking amazing nowhere in the seventies, I mean. 2594 02:18:51.760 --> 02:18:55.280 A South Eastern Championship Rusty just. 2595 02:18:55.360 --> 02:18:58.520 That, you know, join us who is just some guy, 2596 02:18:58.719 --> 02:19:01.600 like some pro voiceover guy. He doesn't have to sound 2597 02:19:01.760 --> 02:19:05.120 like people in the market do. It's about polish, it's 2598 02:19:05.159 --> 02:19:07.799 about sounding like big time TV even in a small 2599 02:19:07.879 --> 02:19:10.440 time market. And yeah, it's brilliant, and yeah they had 2600 02:19:10.440 --> 02:19:12.479 a lot of from what I was gathering and listening, 2601 02:19:12.559 --> 02:19:14.079 it sounds like they had a lot of those world 2602 02:19:14.120 --> 02:19:16.760 class streaks of like you know, doing some innovative things 2603 02:19:16.799 --> 02:19:19.639 around producing like split screen. There are a couple of 2604 02:19:19.719 --> 02:19:21.879 things that they would do in the Southeastern TV shows that, 2605 02:19:21.920 --> 02:19:24.479 at least to hear Ron Fuller tell it, were innovations 2606 02:19:24.520 --> 02:19:27.520 and televised wrestling, and we'll get into more of those 2607 02:19:27.600 --> 02:19:30.840 as we go. So March twenty second, nineteen seventy nine, 2608 02:19:30.879 --> 02:19:33.239 Panama City, and you saw the clippings there that speak 2609 02:19:33.319 --> 02:19:36.280 to it. It's pretty much considered Hulk Cogan's first match 2610 02:19:36.399 --> 02:19:40.639 back in the wrestling business after the short lived Florida 2611 02:19:40.719 --> 02:19:43.440 run that we've talked about. It was against Ben Alexander 2612 02:19:43.600 --> 02:19:47.079 win or unknown. But Ron Fuller now is going to 2613 02:19:47.079 --> 02:19:51.200 be in control of this guy's career. And fortunately for Hulk, 2614 02:19:51.920 --> 02:19:53.799 Ron has a history with Andre the Giant as well. 2615 02:19:53.840 --> 02:19:56.879 They had teamed together in the past. Andre had gone 2616 02:19:56.920 --> 02:19:59.399 to work for offices operated by him and his brother 2617 02:19:59.479 --> 02:20:03.680 and his father in touring the country and Andre had 2618 02:20:03.719 --> 02:20:06.719 a respect from Ron Fuller and this would definitely help 2619 02:20:07.319 --> 02:20:09.959 when it comes to matching up this young kid Terry 2620 02:20:10.000 --> 02:20:13.920 Bolea with an opponent that would, by God define his 2621 02:20:14.040 --> 02:20:17.200 whole cash cow. I mean, yeah right, his whole fucking 2622 02:20:17.840 --> 02:20:21.159 rezon Deetra was to work against Andre the Giant and 2623 02:20:21.319 --> 02:20:24.000 the fact that Andre the Giant saw in this massive 2624 02:20:24.040 --> 02:20:28.040 hulk a guy that actually could present a physical, credible 2625 02:20:28.159 --> 02:20:29.959 threat to him in the eyes of the wrestling fan, 2626 02:20:30.600 --> 02:20:32.959 which is very important because Andrea almost always worked as 2627 02:20:33.000 --> 02:20:35.680 a baby face, and when you're a babyface, you are 2628 02:20:35.760 --> 02:20:37.520 always looking out for heels. They can get heat on 2629 02:20:37.639 --> 02:20:41.680 you even though you're that size. And so another great 2630 02:20:41.760 --> 02:20:43.719 serendipity in terms of when he decided to lean back 2631 02:20:43.719 --> 02:20:45.879 into pro wrestling is it was at the time not 2632 02:20:46.000 --> 02:20:47.719 only that Louis Tilllette was taking the book and things 2633 02:20:47.760 --> 02:20:51.719 were changing over there, but also that Andre was interested 2634 02:20:51.840 --> 02:20:54.719 in helping out a territory that was really small compared 2635 02:20:54.719 --> 02:20:56.360 to some of the other buildings he would work because 2636 02:20:56.399 --> 02:20:58.879 of his relationship with Ron Fuller and his interest in 2637 02:20:58.920 --> 02:21:01.159 working with someone of that size, and Louis to let 2638 02:21:01.239 --> 02:21:04.000 knowing Andre well enough to frame it that way in 2639 02:21:04.120 --> 02:21:06.120 terms of why eventually he might want to come down 2640 02:21:06.159 --> 02:21:09.200 here at Alabama and I give this Terry Buley a whirl, 2641 02:21:09.719 --> 02:21:12.319 but to get a little bit more on Ron Fuller 2642 02:21:12.360 --> 02:21:15.559 and how he came across in the territory. We're going 2643 02:21:15.639 --> 02:21:17.760 to convey a little bit of a tape here. This 2644 02:21:17.920 --> 02:21:21.000 is Ron Fuller in studio with the voice of Southeastern Wrestling. 2645 02:21:21.079 --> 02:21:22.879 His name was Charlie Platt. You can think of him 2646 02:21:22.920 --> 02:21:27.120 as as the Gordon Soley or the Caddle of the Territory, 2647 02:21:27.760 --> 02:21:32.239 the the trod Guard, or even the gene Oakerland. He's 2648 02:21:32.319 --> 02:21:37.600 the guy at the studio desk monitoring affairs, and here 2649 02:21:37.680 --> 02:21:41.479 he is talking to Ron Fuller in characters the Tennessee stud. 2650 02:21:41.399 --> 02:21:45.399 Oh, there's a mask in his hand, and quite frankly, 2651 02:21:45.479 --> 02:21:48.399 I'm sure that the audience in many fans would like 2652 02:21:48.520 --> 02:21:50.879 to know why you're appearing today as Ron Fuller. 2653 02:21:51.280 --> 02:21:53.719 Well, Charlie, i'd like to Let's let's start off with that. 2654 02:21:55.479 --> 02:21:57.639 I was in the came back into the Southeastern area 2655 02:21:57.920 --> 02:22:00.520 after losing the Loser League Town. I wore the mask 2656 02:22:00.680 --> 02:22:03.799 until my time had expired. I can legally wrestle in 2657 02:22:03.840 --> 02:22:07.120 the Southeastern areas Ron Fuller from this point on, however, 2658 02:22:07.360 --> 02:22:09.799 I'm not going to wrestle as Ron Fuller. I'm going 2659 02:22:09.840 --> 02:22:12.200 to continue to wrestle as a Tennessee stud I've got 2660 02:22:12.239 --> 02:22:14.920 my reasons for that, and I'm not going into that 2661 02:22:15.079 --> 02:22:15.440 right now. 2662 02:22:15.559 --> 02:22:16.399 I will say this. 2663 02:22:16.600 --> 02:22:20.799 Though, that I've worn the mask several times in my career. 2664 02:22:21.200 --> 02:22:24.040 I've never had anyone take this mask off my faith. 2665 02:22:24.319 --> 02:22:27.200 If anyone does take this mask off in any place 2666 02:22:27.280 --> 02:22:30.840 in the Southeastern area at any time whatsoever, for any reason, 2667 02:22:31.120 --> 02:22:33.319 if they're able to remove this mask from my face 2668 02:22:33.360 --> 02:22:36.239 and the match, I will leave the Southeastern area immediately. 2669 02:22:36.760 --> 02:22:40.680 And that's my word on that. Now. Secondly, let's go 2670 02:22:40.760 --> 02:22:43.319 into something that's more important to me than wearing the 2671 02:22:43.440 --> 02:22:46.280 mask right now. My brother's in the hospital. He's not 2672 02:22:46.440 --> 02:22:49.000 gonna be wrestling for a while. He's had a concussion. 2673 02:22:49.639 --> 02:22:52.319 Not only that, he has a neck injury. He's in 2674 02:22:52.440 --> 02:22:55.600 bad shape. And it's because of two gentlemen, and that's 2675 02:22:55.760 --> 02:22:58.399 Arnt Anderson and Jerry Stubbs, and you could say Sonny 2676 02:22:58.479 --> 02:23:01.799 King too, because the three men, and I've had calls 2677 02:23:01.879 --> 02:23:04.520 for everybody all over the country. I've chosen myself a 2678 02:23:04.600 --> 02:23:07.760 special partner for an upcoming match, and I'm very happy 2679 02:23:07.840 --> 02:23:08.639 with the partner I have. 2680 02:23:08.840 --> 02:23:11.000 Charlie, we're talking about the eighth Wonder of the World, 2681 02:23:11.079 --> 02:23:13.959 Andre the John A handicap matchup coming in the arena 2682 02:23:14.040 --> 02:23:14.639 this week today. 2683 02:23:14.840 --> 02:23:17.440 There you go, so Ron with Andre and yes that 2684 02:23:17.600 --> 02:23:20.319 is that Arn Anderson. He in fact broke in. His 2685 02:23:20.440 --> 02:23:23.360 first territory in the business was Gulf Coast down in Alabama, 2686 02:23:23.760 --> 02:23:25.520 trained under a wrestler they had there by the name of, 2687 02:23:25.559 --> 02:23:28.600 I believe Terry Allen, but not magnantier Terry Allen. Another 2688 02:23:28.639 --> 02:23:32.319 one interesting yep. So he came up through that circuit 2689 02:23:32.360 --> 02:23:34.079 as well, and it was a great place to learn 2690 02:23:34.440 --> 02:23:37.920 because it wasn't beamed out across its own borders. You know, 2691 02:23:38.120 --> 02:23:40.520 It's like Portland in that regard. You know, you could 2692 02:23:40.559 --> 02:23:42.559 find yourself, you could make some mistakes, you could just 2693 02:23:42.600 --> 02:23:45.639 get the reps in to be successful in the bigger territories. 2694 02:23:46.000 --> 02:23:48.680 They had the studio format, you can practice promos with 2695 02:23:48.760 --> 02:23:51.719 the studio audience. They had the turnaround from the studio 2696 02:23:51.799 --> 02:23:54.120 television show to draw people into the building that night. 2697 02:23:54.319 --> 02:23:56.639 Just like you know, whenever we go back and look 2698 02:23:56.639 --> 02:23:59.799 at territories, we're always so amazed. Like you know, you 2699 02:24:00.040 --> 02:24:02.399 watch TBS and then you go to the Omni that night, 2700 02:24:02.520 --> 02:24:05.079 you know, and what happened on TBS is a last 2701 02:24:05.159 --> 02:24:06.760 ditch effort to get you to buy a ticket to 2702 02:24:06.840 --> 02:24:08.239 just run out of the house and get there. 2703 02:24:08.280 --> 02:24:10.559 It's fucking great. That's how it was. 2704 02:24:11.680 --> 02:24:14.000 Guys like Bullet Barb Armstrong and his family of course 2705 02:24:14.079 --> 02:24:16.600 Road Dog's dad, they're all over this area as well 2706 02:24:16.680 --> 02:24:19.399 and are central to the wrestling identity of the region. 2707 02:24:19.600 --> 02:24:21.879 You heard him name drop arn Anderson and under the 2708 02:24:21.959 --> 02:24:25.319 Giant here's and you could tell too, he's very much 2709 02:24:25.520 --> 02:24:28.600 Ron Fuller in that gimmick there, in that voice. He's 2710 02:24:28.680 --> 02:24:32.680 very much like the straight laced Jack Brisco style seventies babyface, 2711 02:24:33.799 --> 02:24:37.559 ernest to light. He's not screaming and hollering and pointed 2712 02:24:37.559 --> 02:24:40.040 at the at the camera. You know, he's everything that 2713 02:24:40.159 --> 02:24:42.639 Dusty was able to stand out in such great contrast to, 2714 02:24:43.360 --> 02:24:45.120 you know, as a baby face. And then Billy graanmt's 2715 02:24:45.159 --> 02:24:47.280 case is a heel. And the reason those guys stood 2716 02:24:47.280 --> 02:24:50.360 out of such wild, colorful characters is most people sounded, 2717 02:24:50.479 --> 02:24:52.840 including the top guys, like Ron Fuller did in that 2718 02:24:52.920 --> 02:24:55.399 promo right there. That's kind of sit down, hyper serious 2719 02:24:55.440 --> 02:24:59.120 sportsmanlike sound. But he's out for revenge. And this is 2720 02:24:59.479 --> 02:25:03.079 what it would have sounded like hearing the plugging of 2721 02:25:03.120 --> 02:25:05.479 the live shows off the TV down in Gulf Coast. 2722 02:25:05.479 --> 02:25:08.040 As I mentioned at the time, this is of course 2723 02:25:08.120 --> 02:25:11.319 before hul Cogan's arrival there Terry Bullay's arrival, but it 2724 02:25:11.399 --> 02:25:13.680 features a series of names you might recognize as we 2725 02:25:13.760 --> 02:25:17.239 continue to acquaint ourselves with the sights and sounds of 2726 02:25:17.319 --> 02:25:19.319 the territory that Terry first broke out. 2727 02:25:19.360 --> 02:25:22.920 In the excitement of Southeastern Championship Workling comes to Boving MLM. 2728 02:25:23.040 --> 02:25:25.159 It's felt World Evaluatoriam Monday Night, April the twenty third, 2729 02:25:25.159 --> 02:25:27.680 and a PM Tommy Gilbert meet Tlip Johnson, just tigned 2730 02:25:27.680 --> 02:25:30.280 by Southeastern Riffling. Tony Cooks versus Rick McGrath then to 2731 02:25:30.399 --> 02:25:32.959 Tony Reck Battleship runners on non title mets because of 2732 02:25:33.040 --> 02:25:36.239 today's way in incident Canadian death Match in effect, Shah 2733 02:25:36.319 --> 02:25:39.120 Rujoe take Tom Vick Green for the Southeastern Heavyweight Championship. 2734 02:25:39.120 --> 02:25:41.799 Timmy Golden defends Agains Boris sirkof the just because of 2735 02:25:41.840 --> 02:25:44.479 the incident Justine on TV. That's the main event Southeastern 2736 02:25:44.559 --> 02:25:47.360 tig teen titles is the Tennessee Son and Bob Armstrong 2737 02:25:47.440 --> 02:25:51.040 meet Terry Subbs and Arn Anderson Monday Night at Daltwell Auditorium. 2738 02:25:51.840 --> 02:25:54.520 A lot of names you recognized in there. Jock Awkwrus show, 2739 02:25:54.840 --> 02:25:56.920 Jimmy Golden was in fact the future Bunk house Buck, 2740 02:25:56.959 --> 02:26:00.159 a cousin cousin of the Fullers slash well right, well, 2741 02:26:00.200 --> 02:26:02.479 he's in the mix as well. I do think that 2742 02:26:02.559 --> 02:26:05.959 the Sterling Golden name was kind of a almost like 2743 02:26:06.040 --> 02:26:10.479 how Billy Graham was like loosely affiliated with Luke Graham 2744 02:26:10.600 --> 02:26:14.040 and doctor Jerry Graham. He's kind of introduced as like 2745 02:26:14.120 --> 02:26:16.799 a distant relative of the Grahams or something, and it 2746 02:26:16.920 --> 02:26:19.120 kind of fell off as the time went. I think 2747 02:26:19.200 --> 02:26:21.959 Sterling Golden was supposed to be associated with Jimmy Golden 2748 02:26:22.120 --> 02:26:25.600 and family. I think wasn't just because he had yellow hair, 2749 02:26:26.120 --> 02:26:28.879 but that if those representations were made to the fans, 2750 02:26:28.920 --> 02:26:31.840 they melted away very very quickly. Interesting that wasn't part 2751 02:26:31.840 --> 02:26:35.360 of the presentation for very long. But here on his podcast, 2752 02:26:35.520 --> 02:26:38.200 Ron Fuller talks in a bit greater detail about what 2753 02:26:38.360 --> 02:26:41.639 it was that made this Terry Boley special in his eyes. 2754 02:26:42.239 --> 02:26:45.120 Well, Terry Bollia in the future Hulk Hogan. You know, 2755 02:26:45.360 --> 02:26:49.120 he had a unique body. Obviously, he had muscles on 2756 02:26:49.280 --> 02:26:53.879 top of muscles man, and he had an nate, very 2757 02:26:54.120 --> 02:26:57.239 rare charisma about him that you know, you just can't 2758 02:26:57.360 --> 02:26:59.719 teach that to somebody. You know, he either got it 2759 02:26:59.799 --> 02:27:03.639 a you don't. And he had this mooming voice and 2760 02:27:04.280 --> 02:27:07.000 had an attitude that was perfect for a heel or 2761 02:27:07.079 --> 02:27:10.399 a babyface. Once you got him over as an attorneyan babyface, Wow, 2762 02:27:10.840 --> 02:27:15.200 it works there too. So something about him was special 2763 02:27:15.239 --> 02:27:17.879 of the fans from the first time they saw him. Man, 2764 02:27:18.000 --> 02:27:20.799 and he is going to go on to become maybe 2765 02:27:20.879 --> 02:27:26.399 the most recognizable professional wrestler in the history of the sport. Undoubtedly. 2766 02:27:26.479 --> 02:27:29.040 I don't believe there's anybody that'd argue with that. 2767 02:27:29.840 --> 02:27:32.120 There you go, and we'll get to it. He'll eventually 2768 02:27:32.159 --> 02:27:36.239 acknowledge that lu Frigno ripping off Luffrigno was the motivation 2769 02:27:36.360 --> 02:27:38.840 for the name. But there's what he's seeing in the 2770 02:27:38.959 --> 02:27:39.639 Terry Boleya. 2771 02:27:39.719 --> 02:27:39.840 Now. 2772 02:27:40.159 --> 02:27:42.600 Rod Fuller had been the owner of the territory for 2773 02:27:42.719 --> 02:27:45.280 only four years when Terry Bullya came in, and he 2774 02:27:45.399 --> 02:27:47.719 bought it at only thirty one years of age, So 2775 02:27:48.520 --> 02:27:50.920 that was very young for a guy to be running 2776 02:27:51.159 --> 02:27:53.920 a territory at a time when that was a it 2777 02:27:53.959 --> 02:27:55.719 was kind of like a cushy thing with the NWA 2778 02:27:55.879 --> 02:27:59.440 overlay keeping competitors out. But my God, is being that 2779 02:27:59.600 --> 02:28:02.639 young and having all the money in the controllery make 2780 02:28:02.719 --> 02:28:04.760 other people want to challenge you and make other people 2781 02:28:04.840 --> 02:28:06.520 want to make it seem like you don't know what 2782 02:28:06.559 --> 02:28:08.000 they're doing so they can try to move in and 2783 02:28:08.079 --> 02:28:10.559 take over your territory. And Ron Fuller would not only 2784 02:28:10.600 --> 02:28:13.079 feel that pressure, he would feel it in nineteen seventy 2785 02:28:13.159 --> 02:28:15.639 nine at the precise time that Terry Boleya is starting 2786 02:28:15.680 --> 02:28:18.479 to show incredible returns at the box office, and Ron 2787 02:28:18.520 --> 02:28:21.159 Fuller's attention is anywhere, but he really can't even afford 2788 02:28:21.200 --> 02:28:23.360 to focus on it because people are coming for the throne. 2789 02:28:23.399 --> 02:28:26.360 They're coming for his territory. They're running oppositioned him in Knoxville, 2790 02:28:26.680 --> 02:28:29.520 and that's where all of his attention will go. And 2791 02:28:29.639 --> 02:28:31.000 a lot of those people that are doing that to 2792 02:28:31.120 --> 02:28:33.879 Ron Fuller are people that were in and around the 2793 02:28:33.959 --> 02:28:37.000 Florida territory when Terry Bulla first broke in down there. 2794 02:28:37.200 --> 02:28:38.760 A lot of them are wrestlers who would come into 2795 02:28:38.760 --> 02:28:40.479 the Imperial Room when Terry was up there with the 2796 02:28:40.479 --> 02:28:43.639 bass guitar. So it's a small world, indeed, and I 2797 02:28:43.719 --> 02:28:46.520 believe loyalties will be tested in that regard. But it's 2798 02:28:46.559 --> 02:28:48.719 important to know that about Ron Fuller. The TV show 2799 02:28:48.719 --> 02:28:52.399 would hit Doth in his mentioned Montgomery, it would hit Mobile, 2800 02:28:52.520 --> 02:28:54.120 eventually would hit Birmingham, Alabama. 2801 02:28:54.200 --> 02:28:56.040 That would be not for a while though. 2802 02:28:56.959 --> 02:28:59.319 It would emanate out of a small studio of a 2803 02:28:59.360 --> 02:29:02.399 television station called w tv Y and Doth in Alabama, 2804 02:29:03.079 --> 02:29:06.360 south eastern Gulf Coast. Unbelievable. So we're gonna go to 2805 02:29:06.360 --> 02:29:09.600 the book here Terry Bolea writing about this time and 2806 02:29:09.719 --> 02:29:11.399 hitting the road. This is going to be kind of 2807 02:29:11.399 --> 02:29:13.399 a compendium of things he said in both of his books. 2808 02:29:13.440 --> 02:29:18.000 To get us acquainted, brute Is and I looked a 2809 02:29:18.079 --> 02:29:21.040 lot alike after our year in Cocoa Beach. We both 2810 02:29:21.120 --> 02:29:24.120 had blonde hair, we both had mustaches, we both we 2811 02:29:24.200 --> 02:29:27.200 were both juiced up musclemen. So we started wrestling as 2812 02:29:27.239 --> 02:29:30.079 the Boulder Brothers, you know, Terry Boulder and Ed Boulder, 2813 02:29:30.360 --> 02:29:32.680 and a lot of people assumed we were really brothers, 2814 02:29:32.920 --> 02:29:35.760 and we were certainly as close as brothers. Traveling around 2815 02:29:35.959 --> 02:29:39.040 the Alabama territory was fun at first, you know, we 2816 02:29:39.200 --> 02:29:41.719 get to the arenas early and I'll take Brutus into 2817 02:29:41.719 --> 02:29:43.440 the ring to teach him the ropes. So we taught 2818 02:29:43.520 --> 02:29:44.319 him on the fucking road. 2819 02:29:44.639 --> 02:29:47.559 Yeah, here we go again. Right, did did he fucking 2820 02:29:47.639 --> 02:29:48.760 smarten him up before? 2821 02:29:49.200 --> 02:29:49.360 Or what? 2822 02:29:50.120 --> 02:29:51.079 When did he smart him up? 2823 02:29:51.479 --> 02:29:51.520 Is? 2824 02:29:51.639 --> 02:29:52.520 And I know where? 2825 02:29:52.600 --> 02:29:53.040 What? When? 2826 02:29:53.200 --> 02:29:55.879 How am I the only person that cares about when? Like, 2827 02:29:56.719 --> 02:29:59.840 isn't that a huge fucking question? Why can isn't it? 2828 02:30:00.239 --> 02:30:01.280 Isn't it the question? 2829 02:30:01.600 --> 02:30:06.280 I would think so honestly, Like it should be the 2830 02:30:06.360 --> 02:30:09.479 least one of using one When exactly when? Is the 2831 02:30:09.559 --> 02:30:12.760 most important anything, frustrating, any difficult question answers? It regards 2832 02:30:14.479 --> 02:30:18.159 the clowns, any anything when it comes to these fucking clowns. 2833 02:30:18.360 --> 02:30:20.920 When is always the problem unless it's on film and 2834 02:30:21.040 --> 02:30:23.479 like timestamped, like no one can agree on even men, 2835 02:30:23.559 --> 02:30:31.799 No one fucking knows. Even then they fucking lie, grab 2836 02:30:31.879 --> 02:30:33.559 three or four of the other wrestlers and would show 2837 02:30:33.639 --> 02:30:35.760 him how to work a match, how to fall without 2838 02:30:35.840 --> 02:30:38.559 killing yourself. I don't make it look like you were 2839 02:30:38.799 --> 02:30:41.319 wrenching a guy's arm without actually snapping his wrists or 2840 02:30:41.360 --> 02:30:46.399 breaking his elbow. That's actually not that hard, you know that, 2841 02:30:46.559 --> 02:30:49.639 that's actually one of the easier ones. You know, you 2842 02:30:49.799 --> 02:30:51.639 just you don't even hold onto his fucking wrist, like 2843 02:30:52.680 --> 02:30:56.360 there's nothing there, Uh Louis to lay locked us and 2844 02:30:56.440 --> 02:30:58.040 put us out there seven days a week. But we 2845 02:30:58.159 --> 02:31:01.200 were hardly making any money, only take home twenty five 2846 02:31:01.319 --> 02:31:03.799 or thirty dollars a night. So rather than waste our 2847 02:31:03.840 --> 02:31:05.639 dough on hotels, the two of us just slept in 2848 02:31:05.719 --> 02:31:09.959 my van. It was carpeted and had a loft bed 2849 02:31:10.399 --> 02:31:12.479 where I could where I would sleep, had a fucking 2850 02:31:12.639 --> 02:31:16.319 kitchen it brother you know, had a gas stove. Yeah right, 2851 02:31:16.479 --> 02:31:20.559 Brutus had full plumbing. Brother at two you know it 2852 02:31:21.000 --> 02:31:24.319 is a two bath. There's a three bedroom, two bath van. Brother, 2853 02:31:25.239 --> 02:31:28.799 that's a huge van. And then lived in a van. 2854 02:31:29.360 --> 02:31:33.639 I mean, think about Hogan and Eddie Boulder. How the 2855 02:31:33.680 --> 02:31:36.879 fuck they fit? I know, all juice, these gargantuan men, 2856 02:31:37.479 --> 02:31:41.959 A couple of Tampa boys, bacon in the fucking mobile, 2857 02:31:41.959 --> 02:31:44.719 Alabama son living in a van, work in the territory. 2858 02:31:45.559 --> 02:31:49.079 I picture them like, you know, can you imagine on 2859 02:31:49.159 --> 02:31:51.280 the side of the van. They've got like beach chairs, 2860 02:31:51.319 --> 02:31:54.319 and they got those you know, they get those uh 2861 02:31:55.399 --> 02:31:57.440 the way like a trig like a or a big 2862 02:31:57.479 --> 02:32:02.520 green egg. Yeah, and they got those those those uh 2863 02:32:04.280 --> 02:32:08.120 what do you call like like foil like things, you know, 2864 02:32:08.360 --> 02:32:11.399 they get the reflector them for their tamming. Yeah, they're 2865 02:32:11.399 --> 02:32:15.680 sitting out there leaning back. Oh my god, I would 2866 02:32:15.719 --> 02:32:20.239 have you know. That happened every fucking day. The two 2867 02:32:20.440 --> 02:32:21.520 was just sleep in the van that was carbon and 2868 02:32:21.639 --> 02:32:23.760 Moa Bruce was settled on the end on the floor. 2869 02:32:24.120 --> 02:32:26.559 Is how do you have a loft bed in a 2870 02:32:26.639 --> 02:32:28.319 fucking van? Can you can someone? 2871 02:32:29.319 --> 02:32:31.000 I don't know if I call it loft And I've 2872 02:32:31.040 --> 02:32:36.399 seen bunk bed style inside a like an r V trailer, 2873 02:32:36.479 --> 02:32:36.840 but not a. 2874 02:32:36.879 --> 02:32:39.520 Van, right right, Like if you're talking about a van, 2875 02:32:39.799 --> 02:32:42.399 like I'm trying to think carpeting, how do you fit 2876 02:32:42.639 --> 02:32:46.120 like to me? To have a bed even have to 2877 02:32:46.200 --> 02:32:50.319 have a a a single bed, you know, like a 2878 02:32:51.360 --> 02:32:54.280 dorm sized, normal sized person for a normal sized person, 2879 02:32:54.879 --> 02:32:57.879 that's gonna take up the whole fucking van, the big 2880 02:32:58.079 --> 02:32:59.920 the whole back of the van, A big van, like 2881 02:33:00.040 --> 02:33:03.479 a human trafficking van. I mean, I guess, but Jesus Christ, 2882 02:33:03.479 --> 02:33:04.760 I mean, what does he fucking got a U haul 2883 02:33:04.840 --> 02:33:09.840 or something? Maybe that's what it is. You know, it's 2884 02:33:09.840 --> 02:33:13.239 perfectly comfortable for a while. Now. Pensacola Beach was central 2885 02:33:13.239 --> 02:33:15.000 to just about all the venues we hit, so We 2886 02:33:15.479 --> 02:33:18.000 parked the van right there most knights and basically made 2887 02:33:18.040 --> 02:33:21.159 that parking lot our home. You know, there were public restrooms, 2888 02:33:21.200 --> 02:33:25.280 so we had to place to shower, ship ship the 2889 02:33:25.360 --> 02:33:33.040 place to ship right, oh, total place shower, ship and 2890 02:33:33.159 --> 02:33:36.239 shave in the mornings. There was a great little all 2891 02:33:36.280 --> 02:33:38.760 you can eat restaurant nearby too. Man, they were scared 2892 02:33:38.799 --> 02:33:41.159 when they saw me and walking out about food. By 2893 02:33:41.159 --> 02:33:44.000 the way, he was basically that guy in bigger, faster 2894 02:33:44.079 --> 02:33:48.360 strunger who lives in the fucking Venice Golds Gym parking lot. Yeah, right, exactly. 2895 02:33:49.000 --> 02:33:51.520 I mean listen, they were they these people were as 2896 02:33:51.559 --> 02:33:54.959 scared of Hulk Hogan and Brutus beef Cake as the 2897 02:33:56.159 --> 02:33:59.639 as the the Boulder Colorado Taco bell is scared of 2898 02:33:59.680 --> 02:34:03.680 fucking Vader. Yes, all right, you know, I don't know 2899 02:34:03.680 --> 02:34:06.600 if they probably don't throw people like Vader would do, 2900 02:34:07.000 --> 02:34:10.799 but still it would be necessary. It's like they know, 2901 02:34:11.159 --> 02:34:14.079 they know that they're gonna make that they're not gonna 2902 02:34:14.120 --> 02:34:16.840 they're gonna have a bad, a bad day. It's an 2903 02:34:16.840 --> 02:34:19.719 all you can eat restaurant, and these two guys coming 2904 02:34:19.719 --> 02:34:23.319 in the morning. They're shutting down at nine am, solutely 2905 02:34:23.600 --> 02:34:25.959 and they're not making a fucking dime that day, and 2906 02:34:26.159 --> 02:34:28.079 think of how big those guys were, Like, there's no 2907 02:34:28.399 --> 02:34:30.559 way you think you can feed these guys till they're falling. 2908 02:34:30.639 --> 02:34:33.719 You have to Yeah, here, he says, right here, we 2909 02:34:33.840 --> 02:34:36.479 eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner in one sitting. We'd clean 2910 02:34:36.600 --> 02:34:40.719 the place out right exactly so like these people would 2911 02:34:40.760 --> 02:34:44.360 make no money, they'd basically be serving two meals, you know, 2912 02:34:44.440 --> 02:34:47.680 they they you know, all you can eat. That's dangerous 2913 02:34:47.879 --> 02:34:51.319 with these fucking clowns, very dangerous, very dangerous. Don't even 2914 02:34:51.399 --> 02:34:54.360 exists anymore, like the old country buffet set up a No, 2915 02:34:54.600 --> 02:34:56.120 I haven't seen it all you can eat place in 2916 02:34:56.280 --> 02:34:59.680 a long time. No, definitely, definitely, I have not seen 2917 02:34:59.719 --> 02:35:03.959 one post COVID for sure. You know, I imagine a 2918 02:35:04.040 --> 02:35:06.040 lot of I imagine a lot of those places closed 2919 02:35:06.040 --> 02:35:09.639 down during COVID. Absolutely. There are a couple of the 2920 02:35:09.639 --> 02:35:11.600 wrestlers who were living out of their van on that 2921 02:35:11.680 --> 02:35:15.399 beach too. These Simoan guys name often Sika, who became 2922 02:35:15.479 --> 02:35:18.440 known as the Wild Simans years later when we were 2923 02:35:18.479 --> 02:35:20.840 all on TV. They pretended to be these wild brothers 2924 02:35:20.879 --> 02:35:23.559 who were pulled right out of a jungle somewhere to 2925 02:35:23.639 --> 02:35:26.280 wrestle and who couldn't speak English at all. Actually they 2926 02:35:26.319 --> 02:35:31.799 spoke English just fine. I mean, right, that's just fine. 2927 02:35:31.799 --> 02:35:37.239 I mean I don't know, they smoke it completely clearly 2928 02:35:37.280 --> 02:35:42.639 and fluently. Yeah, apparently, you know. And we all became friends, 2929 02:35:42.680 --> 02:35:45.399 you know, just parking our vans by the sand. It 2930 02:35:45.479 --> 02:35:47.159 was a perfect place for Brutus and me to work 2931 02:35:47.200 --> 02:35:49.799 on our tans. I remember that feeling of walking out 2932 02:35:49.840 --> 02:35:51.760 on that sand in the morning, looking on the ocean, 2933 02:35:52.159 --> 02:35:54.639 you know, feeling the wind. Not a bad way to live, 2934 02:35:55.200 --> 02:35:57.719 between wrestling seven days a week, tanning all the time, 2935 02:35:57.799 --> 02:36:00.959 and continuing the steroids off perfect to that bronze god 2936 02:36:01.079 --> 02:36:06.440 a look, oh my god, big super tan guy on 2937 02:36:06.520 --> 02:36:10.520 a beach in Alabama. The golden that golden fucking color. 2938 02:36:10.680 --> 02:36:13.479 All right, just that may just imagine, Like I I 2939 02:36:13.639 --> 02:36:17.959 want to know, I really want to understand the mentality 2940 02:36:18.799 --> 02:36:25.000 of like needing to tan, right, like needing to tan. 2941 02:36:25.520 --> 02:36:28.559 I don't get it. I mean, yes, you know, like 2942 02:36:28.639 --> 02:36:30.399 you go on vacation. It's like, yes, you know, I 2943 02:36:30.520 --> 02:36:32.520 want to get I want I want to I want 2944 02:36:32.559 --> 02:36:34.680 to come back looking like I went on vacation. I 2945 02:36:34.760 --> 02:36:39.479 get it, But like I don't understand this need to 2946 02:36:39.639 --> 02:36:42.639 always be golden tan. And where that comes from. 2947 02:36:42.680 --> 02:36:46.440 I think it comes from like the original Hollywood stars 2948 02:36:46.799 --> 02:36:49.600 being all bronzed because they were in the sun all 2949 02:36:49.639 --> 02:36:54.520 the time, and people associated Hollywood good looks with sun tans. 2950 02:36:55.239 --> 02:37:00.079 I guess, I guess it's so funny. It works, and 2951 02:37:00.120 --> 02:37:03.280 people guess people, I guess it's funny that that people 2952 02:37:03.479 --> 02:37:06.079 people were so obsessed with having a darker shade of skin. 2953 02:37:06.639 --> 02:37:08.239 Yet there's so much racism. 2954 02:37:08.440 --> 02:37:11.639 Well well, especially after so many centuries of that being 2955 02:37:11.719 --> 02:37:15.120 a mark of being a peasant essentially right enough money 2956 02:37:15.159 --> 02:37:16.479 to stay out of the sun, you know. 2957 02:37:16.920 --> 02:37:20.440 Right in the fields. You know, it's like it's just 2958 02:37:20.559 --> 02:37:23.319 so fucking funny, like it's so bizarre to me, Like, 2959 02:37:24.280 --> 02:37:25.920 but oh, it's all California. 2960 02:37:26.000 --> 02:37:29.680 It's all going to be tanned out there, and that's 2961 02:37:29.719 --> 02:37:32.360 where all the bodybuilders were and so they were tan 2962 02:37:32.440 --> 02:37:35.879 as well. And it works, it has, especially if you're working. 2963 02:37:36.040 --> 02:37:38.280 If you are working, you know, muscle Beach, I totally 2964 02:37:38.319 --> 02:37:40.760 get that, because I mean, you're that's an outdoor gym. 2965 02:37:40.959 --> 02:37:43.639 You know, that is an outdoor gym, and that's where 2966 02:37:43.639 --> 02:37:45.159 everyone is at. Sure, I get that. 2967 02:37:45.479 --> 02:37:48.040 I remember Arn Anderson once said it always stuck with me. 2968 02:37:48.120 --> 02:37:52.920 He's like, you know, fat looks better tann And it's true, 2969 02:37:52.959 --> 02:37:54.399 like he was always a guy that was never cut, 2970 02:37:54.559 --> 02:37:56.879 but when he was tan, he didn't look out of shape. 2971 02:37:57.079 --> 02:38:00.440 But if he was pale, he looked like a fat motherfucker. Yeah, 2972 02:38:00.559 --> 02:38:02.639 I look out of shape either way. That doesn't say 2973 02:38:02.639 --> 02:38:06.639 it works for everybody, but I mean it's absolutely true 2974 02:38:06.719 --> 02:38:11.920 that like you look more uh easier on the eye 2975 02:38:12.440 --> 02:38:15.040 when when you're tan. Yeah, we've seen John Dina go 2976 02:38:15.239 --> 02:38:17.760 like like pasty white, and it's it's alarming. It's a 2977 02:38:17.760 --> 02:38:19.799 difficult watch. Yeah, but I also don't consider him to 2978 02:38:19.840 --> 02:38:22.040 be like crazy tan either. You know that's the thing 2979 02:38:22.079 --> 02:38:23.799 about John Cena, Like, I don't think he was ever 2980 02:38:24.680 --> 02:38:27.719 crazy fucking tan. Yeah, he's very few went to the 2981 02:38:27.760 --> 02:38:30.079 degree Hulk did. I mean, very few could if they 2982 02:38:30.120 --> 02:38:31.520 wanted to. I love when he says in his book 2983 02:38:31.520 --> 02:38:34.399 it's because I'm half Pandamanian. It's like your mother was 2984 02:38:34.520 --> 02:38:38.319 not from Panama. She lived there, Panama Canal Project. She 2985 02:38:38.479 --> 02:38:41.959 fu you can't you can't clean, you can't clean Panamanian. 2986 02:38:42.760 --> 02:38:43.399 The fact that he. 2987 02:38:43.440 --> 02:38:48.200 Said that so fucking ridiculous. It's like it's so your 2988 02:38:48.280 --> 02:38:50.920 dad's Italian blood, Like, why is it right? Why are 2989 02:38:50.920 --> 02:38:52.239 you trying to run away from that? I don't get 2990 02:38:52.239 --> 02:38:54.959 it right. Well, what Vince told me to do, I 2991 02:38:55.040 --> 02:38:58.319 see to to be irish brother. Yeah right, it'srobably true. 2992 02:38:58.319 --> 02:39:00.280 He didn't want to be too much like Bruno. Didn't 2993 02:39:00.280 --> 02:39:02.040 surprise me. If that was part of the calculus, that's 2994 02:39:02.079 --> 02:39:06.680 probably true too. Yeah, that's a good point that they 2995 02:39:06.719 --> 02:39:08.600 looked gave me just a little something extra in the 2996 02:39:08.600 --> 02:39:11.399 wrestling ring. You know, technically I wasn't the best wrestler. 2997 02:39:11.440 --> 02:39:16.520 I wasn't quick, wasn't athletic. I understand, Yes, you are athletic, right, 2998 02:39:17.760 --> 02:39:20.680 I mean that's you have to be. Like even even 2999 02:39:20.719 --> 02:39:24.959 the most grotesque fat guys in the business are fucking athletic. 3000 02:39:25.360 --> 02:39:26.920 You know, you can't fuck hit the ropes up the 3001 02:39:26.959 --> 02:39:31.520 athletic sports like the sports you didn't play. I know, 3002 02:39:31.840 --> 02:39:36.040 I know, seems fucking weird, these weird lies. They fucking 3003 02:39:36.120 --> 02:39:39.639 tell when I couldn't jump off the top ropes, which 3004 02:39:40.600 --> 02:39:43.559 I've seen him do, I know? 3005 02:39:43.760 --> 02:39:45.959 Right. Yeah. On the other hand, I wasn't in an 3006 02:39:45.959 --> 02:39:49.040 old fashioned, thick headed fat wrestler either. I was right 3007 02:39:49.120 --> 02:39:51.239 in between. And the more I wrestled, the more I 3008 02:39:51.319 --> 02:39:54.280 developed my own style. In fact, it was right during 3009 02:39:54.360 --> 02:39:56.239 the time that this time I s heard of using 3010 02:39:56.239 --> 02:39:59.079 the leg drop to finish off my opponents. The crowds 3011 02:39:59.120 --> 02:40:01.559 went nuts for it. I don't understand this is a 3012 02:40:01.639 --> 02:40:03.520 late drop. I guess was it a big deal? I mean, 3013 02:40:03.639 --> 02:40:05.879 just can't. It's a funny move for. 3014 02:40:06.200 --> 02:40:11.040 Right, Well, that's bullshit too, because his first finisher was 3015 02:40:11.079 --> 02:40:16.760 the bear hug Well on the late drop we did. 3016 02:40:16.879 --> 02:40:19.760 We did surmise on one of our last episodes that 3017 02:40:19.879 --> 02:40:23.479 maybe because apparently Wolfman Smith, the guy he replaced in 3018 02:40:23.520 --> 02:40:26.600 his first match, used the leg drop, that Terry just 3019 02:40:26.959 --> 02:40:27.479 adopted it. 3020 02:40:28.239 --> 02:40:33.280 But I don't think so. And this is from Hogan 3021 02:40:33.360 --> 02:40:35.799 Book one. I got to be real good friends with 3022 02:40:35.879 --> 02:40:37.959 him because Edda, Lelie and I would sleep in my 3023 02:40:38.120 --> 02:40:40.760 van on the beach in pat penc to Cola owing 3024 02:40:40.840 --> 02:40:43.639 something in a van in a van there too. We're 3025 02:40:43.680 --> 02:40:45.559 all sleeping on the beach because we didn't have the 3026 02:40:45.639 --> 02:40:47.920 money to pay for a hotel room. We'd get up 3027 02:40:47.920 --> 02:40:49.680 in the morning and use a public shower as a 3028 02:40:49.719 --> 02:40:52.639 shower and shave not shit apparently, and hang out on 3029 02:40:52.680 --> 02:40:55.840 the beach until three or four o'clock. Then we would 3030 02:40:55.959 --> 02:40:59.120 drive the New Brunswick or Mobile or Montgomery or wherever 3031 02:40:59.239 --> 02:41:03.239 we were wrestling that Matt Night, small territory, just a 3032 02:41:03.280 --> 02:41:05.760 couple one hundred miles each way, so I didn't take 3033 02:41:05.879 --> 02:41:07.440 so it didn't take more than a few hours to 3034 02:41:07.479 --> 02:41:12.479 get to the venue. Did you imagine going to the 3035 02:41:12.520 --> 02:41:16.639 building seeing this guy under the lights, looking like a superstar, 3036 02:41:17.120 --> 02:41:20.399 looking like a fucking god among men, and he's living 3037 02:41:20.440 --> 02:41:22.719 in a van on the beach. He has no apartment, 3038 02:41:22.799 --> 02:41:26.200 he has no home. I mean, that's you know, to 3039 02:41:26.239 --> 02:41:28.639 imagine any of these guys who you're paying money to see. 3040 02:41:29.159 --> 02:41:31.959 Whenever you pay money to see somebody, it's really weird 3041 02:41:33.280 --> 02:41:35.879 to me. To me, it's always a weird, even even 3042 02:41:35.879 --> 02:41:44.079 when you consider, honestly, when you consider any job, any 3043 02:41:44.319 --> 02:41:50.680 job that requires you to pay to see somebody, it 3044 02:41:50.840 --> 02:41:56.319 is a wild thing to consider that they don't have 3045 02:41:56.479 --> 02:41:58.680 but they don't make enough money doing that to really 3046 02:41:58.760 --> 02:42:03.280 live a life. I mean, even going to regional theater shows, 3047 02:42:04.000 --> 02:42:06.000 it's like you're paying to see these actors perform for 3048 02:42:06.079 --> 02:42:09.000 the circus, but most of them are not living. Oh god, 3049 02:42:09.040 --> 02:42:10.639 they don't even fucking I mean, that's even a whole 3050 02:42:10.680 --> 02:42:14.319 other fucking shit show. I mean, Jesus Christ, the circus 3051 02:42:14.360 --> 02:42:17.920 is a scary fucking thing, folks. I you know, we 3052 02:42:18.000 --> 02:42:24.680 went I went to I went to a circus show. Recently, 3053 02:42:25.000 --> 02:42:27.559 like within the last couple of years. We took we 3054 02:42:27.639 --> 02:42:29.559 took my kid and some friends to go to the 3055 02:42:29.639 --> 02:42:33.040 circus in uh, like where was it? The Big Apple 3056 02:42:33.040 --> 02:42:35.520 Circus is a big Apple circus still going around. I 3057 02:42:35.559 --> 02:42:37.239 think it was a Big Apple Circus because they were 3058 02:42:37.239 --> 02:42:39.719 at Lincoln Center, all right, And I don't know if 3059 02:42:39.760 --> 02:42:43.079 you've been to the circus, Like, yeah, it's like it's 3060 02:42:43.079 --> 02:42:45.719 amazing and what they've done to the show. They've made 3061 02:42:45.760 --> 02:42:51.760 it this thing, but it's also like still sad and pathetic. 3062 02:42:51.840 --> 02:42:54.920 Yess correct, because like they're now they're now kind of 3063 02:42:55.079 --> 02:43:05.399 glamorizing this completely pathetic. I mean, wrestlers are not to 3064 02:43:05.600 --> 02:43:10.319 there's a reason that Wringling Brothers is the comp right right, No, listen, 3065 02:43:10.520 --> 02:43:14.239 it's like because like, but but you're you're and as 3066 02:43:14.239 --> 02:43:15.879 a part of me that totally understands. I mean, look, 3067 02:43:15.959 --> 02:43:18.319 these people have found a family and they found the 3068 02:43:18.360 --> 02:43:20.760 people that they can you know, they can they can succeed, 3069 02:43:20.840 --> 02:43:22.479 So God bless them for that good. Good for you. 3070 02:43:22.639 --> 02:43:26.040 I'm not, but like it's also still like this, this 3071 02:43:26.399 --> 02:43:29.879 this like this is your hope and dream is being 3072 02:43:29.879 --> 02:43:34.000 in the circus, and it's like, okay, like I don't know, 3073 02:43:34.200 --> 02:43:37.959 they're they're they're it's mean, it's mean to say this, 3074 02:43:38.079 --> 02:43:40.760 but it is. There's just a sadness to it. When 3075 02:43:40.760 --> 02:43:42.559 you kind of look at the people who are doing this, 3076 02:43:42.799 --> 02:43:45.239 it's like, Okay, I mean, this is the best you 3077 02:43:45.319 --> 02:43:47.159 can do. So as you consider some of the risks. 3078 02:43:49.440 --> 02:43:51.040 I know, and I think about it, I mean, I 3079 02:43:51.159 --> 02:43:52.559 want to know where they're living. I want to see 3080 02:43:52.559 --> 02:43:55.440 what they're foud away to see it, all right. I 3081 02:43:55.559 --> 02:43:59.479 want to see because I know circus is a is 3082 02:43:59.520 --> 02:44:04.200 a non union job. There is no protection whatsoever. See you, 3083 02:44:04.399 --> 02:44:07.040 I'm like, no way, man, As far as I know 3084 02:44:07.079 --> 02:44:08.639 it's an on union job. I can't imagine that this 3085 02:44:08.719 --> 02:44:11.000 fucking circus is a union job. I think setting it 3086 02:44:11.079 --> 02:44:13.959 up is probably an union job. But performing I imagine, yes, 3087 02:44:14.040 --> 02:44:16.520 I imagine the people who are who are building that. 3088 02:44:16.600 --> 02:44:18.440 You have to have union guys building up all your 3089 02:44:18.479 --> 02:44:21.239 fucking sets and your tents and whatever. But to actually 3090 02:44:21.319 --> 02:44:23.200 fucking do it, I don't. I can't imagine that being 3091 02:44:23.239 --> 02:44:25.440 a union job. I can't imagine a union wanted to 3092 02:44:25.440 --> 02:44:28.959 cover that ship A good look at health insurance too, exactly, 3093 02:44:29.040 --> 02:44:35.600 I walk on, yeah, exactly, you know, and I mean, 3094 02:44:36.000 --> 02:44:38.280 you know it's a you know you you look at 3095 02:44:38.639 --> 02:44:41.360 you look at an actor on in regional production of 3096 02:44:41.399 --> 02:44:43.879 a show. You know, there they come from out of town. 3097 02:44:44.079 --> 02:44:47.799 Oh we got New York actors going to go to Alabama. 3098 02:44:47.879 --> 02:44:49.760 It's like, oh my god, look at this like the 3099 02:44:49.879 --> 02:44:53.959 works it does. But then you look at the fact 3100 02:44:54.000 --> 02:44:56.639 that you're not making enough money to fucking live off 3101 02:44:56.680 --> 02:44:59.479 of that. Even if you were making if you were 3102 02:44:59.559 --> 02:45:04.520 making like they couldn't, you wouldn't. You wouldn't get it. 3103 02:45:04.760 --> 02:45:07.520 They wouldn't they wouldn't be hiring people. They couldn't afford 3104 02:45:07.559 --> 02:45:10.479 to pay people what they what it's it's awful, That's 3105 02:45:10.520 --> 02:45:14.040 how right. That's exactly what I'm talking about. That's what 3106 02:45:14.319 --> 02:45:16.879 That's what it is like. You know, these people going 3107 02:45:17.520 --> 02:45:21.079 to these matches and they're seeing it. And again I 3108 02:45:21.159 --> 02:45:24.399 think it has to do with I'm paying to see you, right, 3109 02:45:24.840 --> 02:45:28.760 I'm giving you my money, so you must be living 3110 02:45:28.799 --> 02:45:31.719 a great lifestyle. And granted Hogan saying he was it 3111 02:45:31.799 --> 02:45:36.000 was very it was very free. It was a choice 3112 02:45:36.120 --> 02:45:38.879 of van. Right, he didn't have a choice living out 3113 02:45:38.879 --> 02:45:41.399 of his van with a fucking roommate. Nonetheless in his 3114 02:45:41.559 --> 02:45:46.040 fucking vant to him right exactly, like like, come on, 3115 02:45:47.040 --> 02:45:51.200 it's it's just like, I don't know, it's a it's 3116 02:45:51.239 --> 02:46:00.879 a very it's such a such a fascinating it's more 3117 02:46:00.920 --> 02:46:03.520 of the facade, it is exactly. That's part of the 3118 02:46:03.639 --> 02:46:06.879 hustle is making it seem like these people are larger 3119 02:46:06.959 --> 02:46:10.600 than life, and in factually they're barely living their life 3120 02:46:10.760 --> 02:46:13.479 and they're actually making less than the people who think 3121 02:46:13.680 --> 02:46:18.200 they're making a millionaires. It the people buying the tickets 3122 02:46:18.200 --> 02:46:22.280 are more likely making more money. That's why they need you. 3123 02:46:22.600 --> 02:46:24.719 If they're making more than you, they wouldn't have to 3124 02:46:25.159 --> 02:46:27.040 beg you to come to the arena and cut promos 3125 02:46:27.079 --> 02:46:29.120 like act like their life is on the line every 3126 02:46:29.159 --> 02:46:32.520 single week. That's it's amazing. And you know one thing 3127 02:46:32.559 --> 02:46:35.159 I didn't appreciate either, is how far back he went 3128 02:46:35.239 --> 02:46:37.559 with the Samoans. That's actually huge when you think about 3129 02:46:38.200 --> 02:46:43.159 future you know, lineage in future generations of the family. 3130 02:46:43.239 --> 02:46:45.920 And look why he probably didn't hesitate to say, fine, 3131 02:46:46.040 --> 02:46:47.559 I'll put yoko over them out of here. I'm not 3132 02:46:47.600 --> 02:46:50.639 putting bread over I'll put yoko over the ties that 3133 02:46:50.719 --> 02:46:52.840 bind are all starting to set in right here. Honky 3134 02:46:52.879 --> 02:46:56.040 tonk Kayne Ferris follows him to WWF. Doctor d David 3135 02:46:56.079 --> 02:46:58.120 Schultz gets some a job in WWF from the beginning 3136 02:46:58.159 --> 02:47:01.840 awa as well, it gets Beefcake a job, follows him 3137 02:47:01.920 --> 02:47:04.239 right in the door. There's a couple of other guys 3138 02:47:04.239 --> 02:47:07.000 that are going to come through the territory that he 3139 02:47:07.079 --> 02:47:10.840 looks out for. Randy Coley is one of them, future Moondog, 3140 02:47:11.280 --> 02:47:13.280 who he worked with and who actually testified in the 3141 02:47:13.319 --> 02:47:16.600 steroid trial, and who even as according to Meltzer told 3142 02:47:16.600 --> 02:47:18.799 her of much Nick that Hulk was his fucking hook 3143 02:47:18.840 --> 02:47:20.760 up for whatever he needed when he was in the 3144 02:47:20.760 --> 02:47:23.639 Gulf Coast area. It's not just David Schling this and 3145 02:47:25.000 --> 02:47:27.879 many others. So Hulk's starting to build these relationships too. 3146 02:47:27.920 --> 02:47:30.440 In Pensacola, of course, being the heart of this territory, 3147 02:47:30.559 --> 02:47:33.280 or at the heart, but a key stop in this territory. 3148 02:47:34.120 --> 02:47:37.319 Roman Reigns is from Pensacola, and that's because the whole 3149 02:47:37.399 --> 02:47:40.440 family coalesced around this territory and the very very beginning 3150 02:47:40.479 --> 02:47:43.639 stages of their wrestling careers often SICCA and so there's 3151 02:47:43.639 --> 02:47:45.159 a lot to be said about that. And the fact 3152 02:47:45.159 --> 02:47:48.040 that they were not just working in the same territory 3153 02:47:48.120 --> 02:47:51.200 but kind of like I guess, roommates, just not they 3154 02:47:51.280 --> 02:47:53.079 didn't live in an actual building, they didn't live in 3155 02:47:53.079 --> 02:47:56.319 an actual enclosure says a lot too. And Beefcake's gonna 3156 02:47:56.319 --> 02:47:59.600 have some great color also about life in the van 3157 02:48:00.040 --> 02:48:02.440 with the Samoans. But are you done with your your 3158 02:48:02.440 --> 02:48:05.040 snippet I was trying to follow, Yeah, here, yes, all right, 3159 02:48:05.040 --> 02:48:08.600 here's Beefcake. Pensacola was perfect for us. We pretty much 3160 02:48:08.639 --> 02:48:10.840 were brand new working in the territory. With many shows 3161 02:48:10.920 --> 02:48:12.639 only a few hundred miles away from each other. It 3162 02:48:12.719 --> 02:48:14.600 was a great way to break in because you had 3163 02:48:14.600 --> 02:48:17.159 at least a little time before shows to breathe. Pensacola 3164 02:48:17.239 --> 02:48:19.559 was very unlike Bill Wats's Mid South territory, where you 3165 02:48:19.639 --> 02:48:21.639 were constantly on the run, having to drive all day 3166 02:48:21.680 --> 02:48:23.440 and night to get to the next town. The first 3167 02:48:23.440 --> 02:48:25.760 show we did with the promotion was Panama City. We 3168 02:48:25.879 --> 02:48:27.959 were there on a Thursday night, walking in all excited 3169 02:48:28.000 --> 02:48:30.120 to be finally showing off our new personas some of 3170 02:48:30.120 --> 02:48:31.719 the wrestlers you may have heard of in this territory 3171 02:48:31.719 --> 02:48:34.040 were the Monkey tonk Man, David Schultz, Don Fargo in 3172 02:48:34.079 --> 02:48:36.319 the Wild Samoans. In my very first match, I didn't 3173 02:48:36.319 --> 02:48:38.319 team with Terry just yet. They put Terry out in 3174 02:48:38.360 --> 02:48:40.040 a single spout and they had me tag with a 3175 02:48:40.040 --> 02:48:43.040 guy named Ron Slinker, an ex police officer turned wrestler, 3176 02:48:43.239 --> 02:48:45.600 real nice guy. We worked against the tagson combination of 3177 02:48:45.760 --> 02:48:50.840 Eric the Red an Ox Baker. Wow, another guy he's 3178 02:48:50.879 --> 02:48:53.639 going to very much come into contact with in this 3179 02:48:53.840 --> 02:48:58.000 territory indeed. And so it's important to note that while 3180 02:48:58.200 --> 02:49:01.479 Hogan and Ed arrived together, well, Terry and Ed arrived 3181 02:49:01.479 --> 02:49:04.440 together in Gulf Coast, they weren't aligned as Bolder brothers yet, 3182 02:49:04.639 --> 02:49:07.239 and they weren't even wrestling with each other. In fact, 3183 02:49:07.920 --> 02:49:11.079 if you look at any match listing of Ed Boulder's history, 3184 02:49:11.440 --> 02:49:13.360 he didn't even wrestle in nineteen seventy nine in a 3185 02:49:13.399 --> 02:49:15.360 Golf Coast. He didn't show him at all wrestling there 3186 02:49:15.680 --> 02:49:18.840 until nineteen eighty, after Terry had already moved to New York. 3187 02:49:19.200 --> 02:49:22.200 So it's very confusing to me why these matches seem 3188 02:49:22.280 --> 02:49:25.520 to happen at the same time Before Memphis in Gulf Coast, 3189 02:49:25.600 --> 02:49:28.000 yet there's no evidence of Hulk and had being on 3190 02:49:28.040 --> 02:49:28.520 the same car. 3191 02:49:29.040 --> 02:49:33.799 I know it's so. I mean, I again, only in 3192 02:49:33.879 --> 02:49:38.920 my limited looking through stuff, try to find that fucking Brigno. 3193 02:49:39.120 --> 02:49:41.280 You know that take show, that yeah, that talk show. 3194 02:49:41.680 --> 02:49:44.680 It's like, you know, all the there's nothing. There's not 3195 02:49:44.799 --> 02:49:49.479 a mention of Ed Boulder or any other name for 3196 02:49:49.559 --> 02:49:51.719 Brutus Beefcake. I haven't thought he was Eddie Sullivan for 3197 02:49:51.799 --> 02:49:53.840 a second, but he was. That was another guy. 3198 02:49:54.639 --> 02:49:56.959 But I think what it pretty much was was while 3199 02:49:57.319 --> 02:49:59.719 Ed Leslie was on the road with Terry in this territory, 3200 02:50:00.319 --> 02:50:02.479 he wasn't working hardly as much. He was basically learning 3201 02:50:02.520 --> 02:50:05.120 by hanging around. And while he did seem to be 3202 02:50:05.159 --> 02:50:07.879 getting some matches, for whatever reason, they weren't on cards 3203 02:50:08.000 --> 02:50:10.280 that went down in the history books that people actually 3204 02:50:10.319 --> 02:50:12.840 recorded the results of. Because I do believe all this 3205 02:50:12.840 --> 02:50:15.200 stuff about them living in the van together and stuff. 3206 02:50:15.360 --> 02:50:17.120 But if you look at his like wrestling data list 3207 02:50:17.159 --> 02:50:19.520 of matches, he doesn't start wrestling in this territory until 3208 02:50:19.559 --> 02:50:22.239 nineteen eighty. It's not like there's no mention of him 3209 02:50:22.239 --> 02:50:24.520 wrestling in the territory. There's plenty of stuff on him 3210 02:50:24.559 --> 02:50:26.920 working here, it just doesn't start till after Terry leaves. 3211 02:50:27.920 --> 02:50:31.159 You do see him working with Terry in Memphis coincident 3212 02:50:31.319 --> 02:50:33.959 with the Gulf Coast run. At the same time they're 3213 02:50:34.040 --> 02:50:37.399 going back and forth at certain junctures, but nothing really 3214 02:50:37.639 --> 02:50:39.840 like this match doesn't exist in any record. You'll see 3215 02:50:40.680 --> 02:50:43.000 ed Leslie against Eric the Redknox Baker. So it's kind 3216 02:50:43.000 --> 02:50:45.520 of frustrating, but I guess we're just going to have 3217 02:50:45.600 --> 02:50:47.879 to believe that ed Leslie's in the ring and nobody 3218 02:50:47.959 --> 02:50:51.600 recorded a single moment of him. The next night, he writes, 3219 02:50:51.680 --> 02:50:53.879 we finally debuted as our tag team. See that's huge 3220 02:50:53.920 --> 02:50:58.840 to me. How is Terry Boley's record missing the first 3221 02:50:58.879 --> 02:51:00.760 time he teamed with ed Leslie if it wasn't due 3222 02:51:00.840 --> 02:51:01.440 in Alabama? 3223 02:51:01.639 --> 02:51:04.639 Not mentally right. I think there's a chance that D's 3224 02:51:04.680 --> 02:51:09.840 even misremembering this. I would imagine so, or choosing to 3225 02:51:10.159 --> 02:51:11.079 choosing to misremember it. 3226 02:51:12.360 --> 02:51:14.639 At Alabama, we wrestled as Terry and Ed Boulder known 3227 02:51:14.680 --> 02:51:16.520 as the Boulder Brothers. I remember coming to the ring, 3228 02:51:16.719 --> 02:51:18.319 the people ate it up. We had a bunch of 3229 02:51:18.399 --> 02:51:20.639 choreographed double team moves in really good chemistry, very few 3230 02:51:20.639 --> 02:51:22.520 people actually knew our real names outside the promoters we 3231 02:51:22.639 --> 02:51:24.959 worked for. These early matches working as the Boulders were 3232 02:51:25.000 --> 02:51:27.319 so memorable to diehard fans that a rumor started later 3233 02:51:27.399 --> 02:51:29.559 on that hul Coch and British beak Kick were actually brothers. 3234 02:51:29.799 --> 02:51:31.879 Speaking of actual brothers, we got to be really good 3235 02:51:31.920 --> 02:51:34.319 friends with the Samoans Offa and Cicco. They were not 3236 02:51:34.399 --> 02:51:36.920 the crazy monsters like they were depicted on TV. They 3237 02:51:36.959 --> 02:51:38.920 were two big teddy bears. They were in the same 3238 02:51:38.959 --> 02:51:41.440 boat as we were new and broke. None of us 3239 02:51:41.520 --> 02:51:43.799 had any money, but titty bears. Titty bears. Yeah, well 3240 02:51:43.879 --> 02:51:46.920 titty Bear before the surgery. Rock was too That's true. 3241 02:51:48.120 --> 02:51:50.200 We couldn't afford motel rooms like the other guys. 3242 02:51:50.280 --> 02:51:51.040 We didn't need one. 3243 02:51:51.520 --> 02:51:53.920 We had the no tel motel on wheels with us 3244 02:51:53.959 --> 02:51:56.280 everywhere we went. Every night, Terry and I would sleep 3245 02:51:56.319 --> 02:51:59.399 in his finally airbrushed van on the beach in Pensacola, 3246 02:51:59.680 --> 02:52:01.799 and the Mowen slept in their vans too, right next 3247 02:52:01.840 --> 02:52:03.879 to us. In the beginning, it was just survival mode. 3248 02:52:04.000 --> 02:52:05.479 It kind of reminded me of going on those long 3249 02:52:05.600 --> 02:52:07.639 vacation trips with my family as a kid. Every morning 3250 02:52:07.680 --> 02:52:09.639 we would get up. One of us would maybe pound 3251 02:52:09.680 --> 02:52:11.040 in the side of the samo and mobile. 3252 02:52:12.000 --> 02:52:17.120 Imagine, Wow, we'll see if off is up. Brother? Who's up? 3253 02:52:17.159 --> 02:52:20.600 Off of secret? Brother? I don't know, he said, rubbing 3254 02:52:20.639 --> 02:52:22.680 his eyes looking at the van. I don't see him. Uh, 3255 02:52:23.920 --> 02:52:27.040 who's making? Who's making breakfast? Brother? Who something other? Cooking? Dude? 3256 02:52:27.719 --> 02:52:31.680 Who is off of making? Oblin? Smells like it? All right? 3257 02:52:31.719 --> 02:52:34.479 Give me so much open air cooking going on? Oh 3258 02:52:34.600 --> 02:52:37.719 you know, oh my god. You know he's got like 3259 02:52:37.760 --> 02:52:41.239 a fucking you know, portable uh, charcoal grill. He's laying 3260 02:52:41.239 --> 02:52:43.600 down steaks. Brother, you know, Oh, yes he is. You know, 3261 02:52:43.680 --> 02:52:46.840 he fucking is. Boy. You give me steak, dude, Wow, 3262 02:52:47.920 --> 02:52:53.280 go off, give me steak. Amazing, Go go ahead, go go, go, go, go, 3263 02:52:53.479 --> 02:52:53.719 go go. 3264 02:52:53.920 --> 02:52:56.399 Seeing these guys and it's the future. Hold Hogan out 3265 02:52:56.440 --> 02:52:59.520 there on the beach. Yeah, they were stinking, you know, 3266 02:52:59.719 --> 02:53:03.000 like they would shower, but come on, man, the sweat was, 3267 02:53:03.760 --> 02:53:05.280 oh just awful. 3268 02:53:05.360 --> 02:53:06.159 Could not avoid it. 3269 02:53:06.399 --> 02:53:08.280 They were sleeping in the van overnight on the beach 3270 02:53:08.319 --> 02:53:09.639 in Pensacola, for God's sakes. 3271 02:53:09.879 --> 02:53:10.559 Yep, yep. 3272 02:53:10.719 --> 02:53:12.159 They would roll out the van and we would all 3273 02:53:12.200 --> 02:53:14.600 go find something cheap to eat at a diner. After that, 3274 02:53:14.680 --> 02:53:16.200 we would grab our towels and head down to the 3275 02:53:16.200 --> 02:53:18.639 public beach showers to clean up. After the showers, we 3276 02:53:18.639 --> 02:53:20.040 would do whatever we wanted for a bit, and then 3277 02:53:20.040 --> 02:53:22.079 we would leave together to drive to the towns. Since 3278 02:53:22.120 --> 02:53:23.360 I was still pretty green, I like to go to 3279 02:53:23.399 --> 02:53:25.079 the shows a little early to get some practice in. 3280 02:53:25.319 --> 02:53:26.520 Some of the guys would take me in the ring 3281 02:53:26.559 --> 02:53:28.280 and give me some training. The show would go down, 3282 02:53:28.280 --> 02:53:29.799 and could practice some of what I had learned live 3283 02:53:29.840 --> 02:53:31.719 in front of a real audience to perfect my craft. 3284 02:53:31.959 --> 02:53:33.959 After the matches, we would drive back to Pensacola if 3285 02:53:33.959 --> 02:53:36.399 it wasn't too far and we wouldn't stay at Pensacola Beach, 3286 02:53:36.440 --> 02:53:38.520 we would try to park outside a nearby wrestler's house 3287 02:53:38.559 --> 02:53:41.959 after shows. Oh my god, imagine that one who lived 3288 02:53:42.000 --> 02:53:46.319 in the area. One parking spot was outside David Schultz's apartment. Yes, 3289 02:53:46.479 --> 02:53:48.360 he was cool. He let us come in whenever we 3290 02:53:48.479 --> 02:53:52.639 wanted in case we had to poop. Hmmm, even let 3291 02:53:52.719 --> 02:53:54.920 us use it. It comes back to food or poop 3292 02:53:55.399 --> 02:54:00.159 apparently every time. Even let us use his shower in 3293 02:54:00.200 --> 02:54:02.600 a while if we were in a hurry when there 3294 02:54:02.680 --> 02:54:04.559 was no local wrestler in the area. We would leave 3295 02:54:04.600 --> 02:54:06.360 the arena and then just sleep in our vans in 3296 02:54:06.399 --> 02:54:12.440 a random parking lot somewhere. Hulk Hogan, Okay, wowing the dream. Yeah, well, 3297 02:54:12.520 --> 02:54:16.200 David Schltz has a lot of memories of this particular pot. 3298 02:54:16.200 --> 02:54:16.280 Oh. 3299 02:54:16.319 --> 02:54:16.760 I'm sure. 3300 02:54:16.879 --> 02:54:19.520 As he was Southeastern efyweight champ, he was a pushed heel. 3301 02:54:19.559 --> 02:54:21.719 He was like the top heel really in the territory 3302 02:54:21.760 --> 02:54:24.920 when Terry Bullay at first showed up. And it wasn't 3303 02:54:25.840 --> 02:54:27.719 it wasn't just out of the kindness of his heart 3304 02:54:27.799 --> 02:54:30.399 that he was welcoming the boulders into his apartment here 3305 02:54:30.520 --> 02:54:33.319 in Pensacola. Here he is on the infamous Inside Edition 3306 02:54:33.399 --> 02:54:36.559 interview explaining exactly what the quid pro quote was. 3307 02:54:37.600 --> 02:54:39.079 Let him sleep in the house. 3308 02:54:39.360 --> 02:54:45.000 I gave him food, and in returns he gave me steroids. 3309 02:54:45.040 --> 02:54:49.520 He showed me how to use steroids. Yes he did, Yes, 3310 02:54:49.600 --> 02:54:54.200 he did. Hey show me how to do steroids. Now 3311 02:54:55.040 --> 02:54:56.239 let me tell me how to do need a lot 3312 02:54:56.239 --> 02:54:58.319 of my butt? Would you admit her form? Because he's 3313 02:54:58.360 --> 02:55:00.280 so big, he can't even know he's so swore. Oh well, 3314 02:55:00.399 --> 02:55:02.000 sometimes it's sometimes I got to help him out to 3315 02:55:02.040 --> 02:55:03.959 stick a meat on his ass. Sometimes have you nailed 3316 02:55:03.959 --> 02:55:06.120 the boss? Here he is talking to Hannibal when he's 3317 02:55:06.120 --> 02:55:08.639 a meeting Koge back when he was sterling Golden. 3318 02:55:09.680 --> 02:55:13.559 Well, he come into Panama City Beach and we've worked 3319 02:55:13.559 --> 02:55:17.200 from Ronford. He come in there, and uh, he was green. 3320 02:55:17.319 --> 02:55:20.000 He's a big guy, big, a huge guy. 3321 02:55:20.239 --> 02:55:21.440 But I knew nothing. 3322 02:55:22.559 --> 02:55:27.159 And we become friends. And you know, I started working 3323 02:55:27.159 --> 02:55:29.280 out with him because I never was a person to 3324 02:55:29.360 --> 02:55:31.239 work out, and uh. 3325 02:55:32.000 --> 02:55:34.559 I'd give him me a shot, just steroid shots because. 3326 02:55:34.399 --> 02:55:35.920 He couldn't reach around to take him, you know. 3327 02:55:36.000 --> 02:55:37.159 And all that's right. 3328 02:55:37.479 --> 02:55:39.360 I told him, I said, boys, these things are gonna 3329 02:55:39.440 --> 02:55:42.600 kill you. You're taking more in a race horse. And yeah, 3330 02:55:43.440 --> 02:55:46.520 you know, I'm hanging and banging. And when they carry 3331 02:55:46.559 --> 02:55:49.879 me out, brother, he's going hanging out of the camp. Well, 3332 02:55:49.920 --> 02:55:51.559 they will be hanging out of the camps. 3333 02:55:51.319 --> 02:55:52.239 Because you're with it, you know. 3334 02:55:52.879 --> 02:55:54.159 But you couldn't talk to you. 3335 02:55:54.600 --> 02:55:58.440 But we were good friends for probably fifteen years and 3336 02:55:58.959 --> 02:55:59.840 worked out all the time. 3337 02:56:00.639 --> 02:56:02.479 He stayed at my house when he come down. 3338 02:56:02.520 --> 02:56:05.399 He didn't have no money to get a room, sleeping 3339 02:56:05.440 --> 02:56:08.319 in his van, so uh, my wife and me said, 3340 02:56:08.360 --> 02:56:10.319 come on in and sleep in our extra room, and 3341 02:56:11.000 --> 02:56:14.959 you know, and we become good friends. And then Vans 3342 02:56:15.000 --> 02:56:18.879 told him either Shures or me, because he started whining 3343 02:56:18.920 --> 02:56:21.040 that I was too rough on him. And then I 3344 02:56:21.200 --> 02:56:25.120 was gonna beat him in ah a lot of TV shows, 3345 02:56:25.239 --> 02:56:29.600 brother and take the bell and uh uh you know, uh. 3346 02:56:29.879 --> 02:56:31.840 You had to treat him like a kid man. You say, 3347 02:56:31.920 --> 02:56:32.680 you big dummy. 3348 02:56:33.000 --> 02:56:33.760 Why you know? 3349 02:56:33.959 --> 02:56:37.440 I mean, I'm not gonna beat you in the middle 3350 02:56:37.440 --> 02:56:38.799 of ring. I I can beat you any time I 3351 02:56:38.840 --> 02:56:42.079 get ready. That might be harder to do anything. Oh really, 3352 02:56:42.079 --> 02:56:44.360 And I'd grabbed him in his own living room, throw 3353 02:56:44.440 --> 02:56:47.159 him on the floor and we'd start, you know, but 3354 02:56:47.840 --> 02:56:49.440 you know, he never was r uh. 3355 02:56:50.000 --> 02:56:52.840 He never was a wrestler. I mean never was a Uh. 3356 02:56:54.399 --> 02:56:56.040 If he got a hold of you, he. 3357 02:56:56.159 --> 02:56:59.799 Was powerful, he was strong, but he didn't know how 3358 02:56:59.840 --> 02:57:02.360 to hold of you. So if you knew any moves 3359 02:57:02.399 --> 02:57:02.799 I don't. 3360 02:57:02.799 --> 02:57:03.920 You can out rashly. 3361 02:57:04.319 --> 02:57:04.479 You know. 3362 02:57:06.040 --> 02:57:39.639 Fan Wrestling Podcast, The wrestling podcast that knows the boys 3363 02:57:39.760 --> 02:57:57.600 need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. Sick of the ads. 3364 02:57:58.000 --> 02:58:00.840 Sign up for ad free shows and even more content 3365 02:58:00.959 --> 02:58:22.559 at patreon dot com. Slash The Lapsed Fan he's a 3366 02:58:22.680 --> 02:58:26.639 lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack n Seo and. 3367 02:58:26.799 --> 02:58:30.959 JP Soro Wow Elections on living with the Holtzter then 3368 02:58:31.000 --> 02:58:33.479 of course losing the Holtster's trust because he's going to 3369 02:58:33.520 --> 02:58:35.760 shoot on me, brother. But you know, David Scheltz is 3370 02:58:35.760 --> 02:58:38.399 fucking whack enough, he probably would have done it, honestly, Yeah, right. 3371 02:58:38.520 --> 02:58:40.680 I believe that he always ends up in these situations 3372 02:58:40.719 --> 02:58:43.040 where people are like on edge about what he's going 3373 02:58:43.120 --> 02:58:44.920 to do, and he's always like, what I was going 3374 02:58:44.959 --> 02:58:46.239 to do anything? What are you out of your mind? 3375 02:58:46.319 --> 02:58:48.680 And it's like there you fucking slaps John Stoscil or 3376 02:58:49.079 --> 02:58:51.440 castlesmester t and it's like, well, actually he will do it, 3377 02:58:51.719 --> 02:58:54.680 so yeah, but pretty amazing that this is where it 3378 02:58:54.680 --> 02:58:58.399 all started between these two, and he remembers shooting him 3379 02:58:58.440 --> 02:59:00.280 up so hard that it became an issue, became a 3380 02:59:00.319 --> 02:59:02.559 real issue, and you could imagine Schult's not biting his 3381 02:59:02.639 --> 02:59:05.079 tongue when Hogan's on our Sineo in ninety one acting 3382 02:59:05.159 --> 02:59:07.840 like he never took steer. Yes, well they took him three. 3383 02:59:07.719 --> 02:59:10.879 Times, so yeah, three times in a week when there 3384 02:59:10.920 --> 02:59:13.239 was no local restauran in the area. Brutus continues, we 3385 02:59:13.280 --> 02:59:14.840 would leave the arena and then just sleep in our 3386 02:59:14.920 --> 02:59:16.799 vans in a random parking lot somewhere, Like you know, 3387 02:59:16.840 --> 02:59:19.399 they were homeless people, Buss. Basically, they were homeless people. 3388 02:59:19.520 --> 02:59:22.239 Basically what it is like there sore describing this lifestyle, 3389 02:59:22.280 --> 02:59:25.319 and all I think about is like, how miserable I'd be, like, 3390 02:59:25.520 --> 02:59:28.239 I can't, I don't. I don't like that kind of lifestyle. 3391 02:59:29.520 --> 02:59:31.360 And they were all like talking about as being great 3392 02:59:31.680 --> 02:59:33.879 having freedom. I don't even know if Arne, because arn 3393 02:59:33.959 --> 02:59:35.959 tells a similar story in his book because he broke 3394 02:59:36.000 --> 02:59:37.799 in the same spot. I don't even know if he 3395 02:59:37.840 --> 02:59:40.719 had an apartment. So I vividly remember him saying he 3396 02:59:40.799 --> 02:59:43.760 would just fall asleep on the beach with a case 3397 02:59:43.840 --> 02:59:46.559 with a cooler beer, just wake up and then shower 3398 02:59:46.760 --> 02:59:49.120 in the facilities at the beach, the public facilities, and 3399 02:59:49.200 --> 02:59:49.719 go to the town. 3400 02:59:50.760 --> 02:59:53.120 Just sleep on the beach. Yeah, I'm good. 3401 02:59:53.719 --> 02:59:58.079 Imagine that's your house because it's a beach. I feel 3402 02:59:58.120 --> 03:00:00.479 like you're luxuriating, right, dude. 3403 03:00:00.760 --> 03:00:03.920 That's such a fucking wrestling mentality. That's that seemed like 3404 03:00:03.959 --> 03:00:07.079 a whole Cogan wrestling mentality. Honestly, only a Tampa only 3405 03:00:07.120 --> 03:00:16.040 a Tampa boy could put himself through that right. No, 3406 03:00:16.840 --> 03:00:19.120 you know what, not not happy? There a problem, Actually 3407 03:00:19.200 --> 03:00:21.719 it's not really, yeah exactly. Sometimes we would get up 3408 03:00:21.719 --> 03:00:23.000 in the morning and drive over to one of the 3409 03:00:23.040 --> 03:00:25.239 local gas stations that had one little room you could lock. 3410 03:00:25.319 --> 03:00:27.559 We would take turns using the bathroom to poop and 3411 03:00:27.600 --> 03:00:29.680 brush our teeth or whatever, and then and then drive 3412 03:00:29.760 --> 03:00:33.760 back to Pensacola. Eventually we would always circle back to Pensacola, Uh, 3413 03:00:33.959 --> 03:00:36.840 Pensacola Beach and start everything all over again. Pensacola was 3414 03:00:36.879 --> 03:00:39.200 home base. We would be tanning or in the water 3415 03:00:39.319 --> 03:00:45.040 and then smell barbecue. Sens quite often would pull out 3416 03:00:45.040 --> 03:00:50.520 a little grill and cook out. Man oh man, they 3417 03:00:50.600 --> 03:00:52.879 fed Terry and me a whole bunch. They really were 3418 03:00:53.000 --> 03:00:55.360 generous and great to pay them back. Sometimes we would 3419 03:00:55.360 --> 03:00:57.559 go to this buffet place called Moms. It was a 3420 03:00:57.559 --> 03:01:00.079 little bit faced down Joy off the main strip, and 3421 03:01:00.120 --> 03:01:01.959 they had the best fried chicken in the world. The 3422 03:01:02.040 --> 03:01:06.440 moment we walked in, we would transform into savages. All 3423 03:01:06.600 --> 03:01:09.280 manners were out the window. We wouldn't even sit down 3424 03:01:09.280 --> 03:01:11.399 at the table. As the waitress showed us to our seats, 3425 03:01:11.440 --> 03:01:13.760 we would walk over and acknowledge it. Don't get me wrong. 3426 03:01:14.079 --> 03:01:16.879 We would nod to our signed eating headquarters, but then 3427 03:01:17.079 --> 03:01:20.239 rush right over to the plates and immediately go up 3428 03:01:20.239 --> 03:01:20.639 to the food. 3429 03:01:20.840 --> 03:01:24.319 Just fucking oh, just rip it to shreds. Guys are 3430 03:01:24.399 --> 03:01:28.040 so huge and so homeless, and so broke, so hungry, 3431 03:01:28.360 --> 03:01:31.559 so hungry. Let me tell you, he says, the Samoans 3432 03:01:31.600 --> 03:01:34.719 and the boulders could eat. We would grab each a 3433 03:01:34.840 --> 03:01:37.559 heaping blite of fried chicken and make quick work of it. 3434 03:01:37.639 --> 03:01:40.520 In little time, all four of us would pound the 3435 03:01:40.600 --> 03:01:43.319 poultry and toss all the bones on a few empty 3436 03:01:43.360 --> 03:01:45.319 plates in the center. Then we would get right back 3437 03:01:45.399 --> 03:01:48.680 up and do it again. The amount of chicken bones 3438 03:01:48.760 --> 03:01:52.040 left when they were finally done was ridiculous. It was 3439 03:01:52.200 --> 03:01:53.879 always like a huge mountain. 3440 03:01:54.120 --> 03:01:56.360 It was just wrong. Yeah. 3441 03:01:56.719 --> 03:02:00.520 The people at Momes just hated us, to the point 3442 03:02:00.559 --> 03:02:02.559 that when we showed up you could see the anger 3443 03:02:02.600 --> 03:02:04.959 in their eyes because they knew we were just going 3444 03:02:05.000 --> 03:02:07.159 to eat everything inside. If we were able to just 3445 03:02:07.280 --> 03:02:09.639 pull our seats up to the buffet tables themselves, we 3446 03:02:09.799 --> 03:02:12.520 probably would have done that. The nights were relatively peaceful, 3447 03:02:12.600 --> 03:02:14.760 sleeping on the beach. I do remember one night I 3448 03:02:14.799 --> 03:02:17.000 had checked in early. I was asleep already, when all 3449 03:02:17.040 --> 03:02:18.479 of a sudden, it felt like I was on a boat. 3450 03:02:18.879 --> 03:02:19.440 I was out of it. 3451 03:02:19.479 --> 03:02:21.239 I shook myself awake and looked out of the window 3452 03:02:21.319 --> 03:02:22.719 to see if we had been hit by the tide 3453 03:02:22.799 --> 03:02:26.040 or something. Then I realized that the motion was coming 3454 03:02:26.159 --> 03:02:29.159 from within the van. Someone had snobled in the back. 3455 03:02:30.239 --> 03:02:32.440 It was late and the bars had all closed. Terry 3456 03:02:32.520 --> 03:02:34.200 had just come back from drinking and had a I 3457 03:02:34.239 --> 03:02:36.559 thought I didn't drink a drop of alcohol back then, 3458 03:02:36.920 --> 03:02:39.840 all right, just come back from drinking and had a 3459 03:02:39.920 --> 03:02:42.760 girl with him and maybe a six pack. Now I 3460 03:02:42.760 --> 03:02:44.319 don't think he was necessarily trying to get it on 3461 03:02:44.440 --> 03:02:47.000 with her. The really wild days would come from our 3462 03:02:47.079 --> 03:02:50.200 next territory, Memphis, after we were more widely known. But 3463 03:02:50.360 --> 03:02:52.600 either way, I didn't want to clock cock block so 3464 03:02:53.120 --> 03:02:54.959 or be their first hand to see what was going 3465 03:02:55.040 --> 03:02:57.760 to happen. That would be breaking the bro code. So 3466 03:02:57.879 --> 03:03:00.280 I decided to take off. Before I shut the door, 3467 03:03:00.319 --> 03:03:01.959 I saw Terry out of the corner of my eye. 3468 03:03:02.000 --> 03:03:04.559 He just barely gave me the thumbs up. I rolled out, 3469 03:03:04.760 --> 03:03:07.520 knowing damn well that I shouldn't return anytime soon as 3470 03:03:07.600 --> 03:03:10.479 to let them have their space. Terry wasn't a big 3471 03:03:10.520 --> 03:03:13.079 player like me, but either way, as a bro, you 3472 03:03:13.159 --> 03:03:15.920 knew you had to follow the unwritten universal gentleman's rule 3473 03:03:15.959 --> 03:03:18.360 that states if the van is a rockin, don't come 3474 03:03:18.399 --> 03:03:21.399 and knocking. Tired as hell, I ventured out for what 3475 03:03:21.479 --> 03:03:23.840 I figured would be a long night. I walked down 3476 03:03:23.879 --> 03:03:25.479 a few spots over in the parking lot to the 3477 03:03:25.520 --> 03:03:27.600 side of the Samoan's ride to look for shelter. A 3478 03:03:27.680 --> 03:03:29.600 light drizzle was hitting my face as I was hitting 3479 03:03:29.600 --> 03:03:33.920 the van. Bump, bump, bump, nothing. I pounded a bit harder, bump, bump, bump. Finally, 3480 03:03:34.239 --> 03:03:36.639 a dazed off a slid the side door open. Can 3481 03:03:36.719 --> 03:03:40.559 you imagine bomb? My god, I imagine knocking on a 3482 03:03:40.719 --> 03:03:42.639 van in the middle of the night in Pensacle, looking 3483 03:03:43.120 --> 03:03:45.760 and the thing goes slides open off. 3484 03:03:46.159 --> 03:03:52.520 Fucking Oh dude, I'd be scared, horrified. I'd run. Yes, yep. 3485 03:03:52.719 --> 03:03:56.040 A stale cloud of dank, smow and tobacco smacked me 3486 03:03:56.079 --> 03:03:58.520 in the face. I grimaced and pulled my blanket up 3487 03:03:58.559 --> 03:04:01.159 over my shoulder and nose. What what is it morning yet, 3488 03:04:01.200 --> 03:04:03.719 he asked, looking to see that it was still dark. No, 3489 03:04:04.000 --> 03:04:05.879 just wondering if you mightd if I crash in the front, 3490 03:04:06.000 --> 03:04:08.200 I asked in a chuckle, Terry has some company in 3491 03:04:08.200 --> 03:04:10.559 the van and I can't get any sleep. Offa started 3492 03:04:10.600 --> 03:04:12.799 to laugh and he shook his head. Too much sound 3493 03:04:12.879 --> 03:04:15.600 from Terry. He asked, no, I don't think so, but 3494 03:04:15.639 --> 03:04:18.200 didn't want to stick around to find out. Okay, get 3495 03:04:18.239 --> 03:04:20.760 in off appointed to the front. He slid the door closed, 3496 03:04:20.760 --> 03:04:22.680 and then I saw his forearm unlock the front. I 3497 03:04:22.760 --> 03:04:25.239 crawled into the passenger side. The seat was back pretty 3498 03:04:25.280 --> 03:04:27.440 far already, but I leaned it back some. The head 3499 03:04:27.479 --> 03:04:30.000 of my chair pushed back this drapery thing that they 3500 03:04:30.079 --> 03:04:31.600 used to keep the light out of the back. I 3501 03:04:31.719 --> 03:04:33.559 heard off I say something to Seeker from the back, 3502 03:04:33.600 --> 03:04:36.559 and then I passed out. About twenty minutes later, I 3503 03:04:36.639 --> 03:04:39.680 awoke again. This time, however, my makeshift bed was not 3504 03:04:39.799 --> 03:04:42.520 moving around. The thing that woke me from the dead 3505 03:04:42.680 --> 03:04:45.719 this time was the curious sound of wood being sawed. 3506 03:04:46.200 --> 03:04:48.680 I laid there for some time and listen to the 3507 03:04:48.719 --> 03:04:51.520 wood sawing storm in full force. I tried covering my 3508 03:04:51.639 --> 03:04:53.760 years with my blanket, but it was no use. I 3509 03:04:53.840 --> 03:04:56.319 waited it out. After about ten minutes, I heard Cicca, 3510 03:04:56.440 --> 03:05:00.559 I think, tell his brother to roll over. Fine, sure 3511 03:05:00.559 --> 03:05:03.799 it was Terry over. Brother's a quick one, two, three 3512 03:05:04.479 --> 03:05:07.920 up brother? What Finally the snoring subsided. I closed my 3513 03:05:08.000 --> 03:05:10.440 eyes again. I thought about the day. You know, for 3514 03:05:10.559 --> 03:05:12.680 a moment, I thought he was talking about real wood 3515 03:05:12.799 --> 03:05:16.079 being fucking like something through. I know, like someone's building 3516 03:05:16.120 --> 03:05:16.760 a boat out there. 3517 03:05:16.840 --> 03:05:19.559 I really thought to myself, like, at two in the morning, 3518 03:05:19.639 --> 03:05:23.719 there's somebody, you know, and this fucking beach who's actually. 3519 03:05:23.559 --> 03:05:32.159 Like Terry's working harder than me. Thought some of what 3520 03:05:32.200 --> 03:05:34.079 I'd learned in the ring. A peacefulness came over me. 3521 03:05:34.440 --> 03:05:36.200 Just as I started a drift, I heard the gentle 3522 03:05:36.280 --> 03:05:39.959 blast of an earth rattling fried chicken fart, and then 3523 03:05:40.040 --> 03:05:43.159 the sawing started up again in its entire splendor. Oh 3524 03:05:43.520 --> 03:05:45.639 my God, make matters worse out of nowhere. It became 3525 03:05:45.680 --> 03:05:48.159 a duet. Yes, another saw chimed in, and I need 3526 03:05:48.200 --> 03:05:50.600 to keep in mind Kenny Castanova, his co author, loves 3527 03:05:50.840 --> 03:05:54.639 fart jokes and shit jokes, and he always forces them in. 3528 03:05:54.959 --> 03:05:57.399 So I'm not sure sure he said all this, but yes, 3529 03:05:57.479 --> 03:05:59.920 another saw chimed in in perfect harmony. It was magical, 3530 03:06:00.159 --> 03:06:02.959 a full on wood sewing samo and symphony in stereo. 3531 03:06:03.399 --> 03:06:04.479 Was being performed just for me. 3532 03:06:04.600 --> 03:06:07.280 I mean also picture picture these two fucking clowns. Okay, 3533 03:06:07.399 --> 03:06:11.239 picture off of Sika, all right, the two the two 3534 03:06:11.319 --> 03:06:14.840 of them asleep, you know. I also picture them, you know, 3535 03:06:15.040 --> 03:06:22.000 with like uh uh, you know, like flowery button down 3536 03:06:22.079 --> 03:06:24.920 shirts and listen to of course they're because they're sleeping, 3537 03:06:25.120 --> 03:06:26.719 you know, because they're living in a van. They don't 3538 03:06:26.760 --> 03:06:28.639 have like pajamas or anything like that, or even just 3539 03:06:28.719 --> 03:06:32.959 fucking nighttime clothes like boxers and T shirts or whatever. 3540 03:06:33.040 --> 03:06:35.079 But they're just fucking they're wearing whatever they wore them 3541 03:06:35.159 --> 03:06:37.600 during the day. They just have regular clothes, like oh, 3542 03:06:37.639 --> 03:06:38.920 so what do they do the laundry, by the way, 3543 03:06:39.000 --> 03:06:40.760 Like no one talks about the laundry. These are important 3544 03:06:40.760 --> 03:06:44.040 things that I'm curious about. But and they just sit 3545 03:06:44.159 --> 03:06:46.280 there like, you know, it's unbuttoned, like all the way down, 3546 03:06:46.440 --> 03:06:51.040 just like fucking offa's on his back, hair everywhere, all right, 3547 03:06:51.239 --> 03:06:58.479 hair just fucking all over the place. Is welcome to 3548 03:06:58.559 --> 03:07:09.079 the business. It's the complete hull co good bitch. I 3549 03:07:09.200 --> 03:07:12.600 imagine that there's just exactly you know, and there's no 3550 03:07:13.159 --> 03:07:16.719 and these guys have you know. I I it's awful. 3551 03:07:17.040 --> 03:07:25.639 But I also I cannot imagine a professional wrestler knowing 3552 03:07:26.879 --> 03:07:31.559 good hygiene, right, Like, they're just always disgusting, right, all 3553 03:07:31.639 --> 03:07:36.760 of them, all of them, and they're just nasty and 3554 03:07:36.959 --> 03:07:43.000 just sweaty and body odor everywhere exactly. It smells like 3555 03:07:43.639 --> 03:07:47.680 it smells like old lasso taco It's it's right, it's 3556 03:07:47.719 --> 03:07:51.399 a that and like peppers and onions. Ye, all right, 3557 03:07:51.600 --> 03:07:54.120 you know that's that's the smell. It's all over the place. 3558 03:07:54.840 --> 03:07:55.000 You know. 3559 03:07:55.120 --> 03:07:57.920 Let alone, what's going on in their facial hair? Okay, 3560 03:07:58.479 --> 03:08:00.959 just the dangerous concoc. 3561 03:08:01.079 --> 03:08:04.319 This girl from some bar Pensacola can't help it slide 3562 03:08:04.360 --> 03:08:06.239 into the van you go back to get back to 3563 03:08:06.280 --> 03:08:06.680 your place. 3564 03:08:06.719 --> 03:08:10.200 Well, I live in a van, bro you know a van? 3565 03:08:10.280 --> 03:08:13.200 It you know that, dude van cause they call me 3566 03:08:13.319 --> 03:08:17.879 Van of White brother. I'm a big fan of a 3567 03:08:17.959 --> 03:08:20.719 Viziann brother. You live in a vis And what is 3568 03:08:20.760 --> 03:08:23.239 that is that? It a modern apartment building? 3569 03:08:23.799 --> 03:08:23.920 Well? 3570 03:08:24.399 --> 03:08:26.239 Well, you know what in the way it is where 3571 03:08:26.239 --> 03:08:29.200 I'm living, that's I'm living. It's a it's a it's 3572 03:08:29.239 --> 03:08:32.079 a mobile apartment. Oh you live in mobile? I thought 3573 03:08:32.079 --> 03:08:37.079 you lived in Pensacola. It depends on the day of 3574 03:08:37.079 --> 03:08:41.440 the week. Past I got a place in Mobile. I 3575 03:08:41.479 --> 03:08:43.719 got a place in Montgomery. I got a place in Dothan. 3576 03:08:45.120 --> 03:08:46.920 Bro I got a place over in Portland, Oregon. He 3577 03:08:46.959 --> 03:08:49.840 got a place wherever I needed, bro wherever I needed 3578 03:08:49.840 --> 03:08:52.520 to go. My home follows me. Dude, love it. He's 3579 03:08:52.520 --> 03:08:56.840 got a mobile home, all right. So awesome, dude, so awesome. 3580 03:08:57.760 --> 03:09:03.360 Oh my god, right in the smoke filled dodge ram. 3581 03:09:03.639 --> 03:09:04.360 It wasn't worth it. 3582 03:09:04.559 --> 03:09:06.799 Some wet socks and a couple of sand flea bites 3583 03:09:06.840 --> 03:09:08.840 were far better than hearing that. So I rolled out 3584 03:09:08.879 --> 03:09:11.200 of van number two. I wrapped up in the blanket 3585 03:09:11.200 --> 03:09:13.479 and fell asleep on the beach. A younger shot of 3586 03:09:13.520 --> 03:09:16.959 the Wild Samoans OFFENSECA days were easy. Terry and I 3587 03:09:17.040 --> 03:09:19.239 would go to Pensacola Health Club and work out. Maybe 3588 03:09:19.239 --> 03:09:21.559 I would go swimming with the Samoans. We might hang 3589 03:09:21.639 --> 03:09:23.159 out on the beach until late in the afternoon and 3590 03:09:23.159 --> 03:09:25.479 then maybe drive to New Brunswick or Mobil or Montgomery, 3591 03:09:25.760 --> 03:09:29.959 wherever we were wrestling that night. There is ed Leslie reflecting. 3592 03:09:30.680 --> 03:09:33.360 Here's further to the point about what's happening in the ring. 3593 03:09:34.000 --> 03:09:36.360 Sometimes Ox Baker would show up to our vans to 3594 03:09:36.440 --> 03:09:40.079 hang out there's another nice vision to have slamming onund 3595 03:09:40.079 --> 03:09:45.520 your door in the middle of Psycho Maniac, this walking 3596 03:09:45.680 --> 03:09:46.399 horror movie. 3597 03:09:47.600 --> 03:09:50.360 I mean, he really is he is just he is. 3598 03:09:50.840 --> 03:09:51.559 He is a threat. 3599 03:09:51.639 --> 03:09:54.600 Suck escape from New York, escape from Pensacola, I know, 3600 03:09:55.200 --> 03:09:59.360 escape from this scan, escape from Ox Baker, please the eyebrows, 3601 03:09:59.399 --> 03:10:03.079 the mustache boss. Oh just not just not okay, escape 3602 03:10:03.079 --> 03:10:05.959 from New York. Indeed, yep, I mean. 3603 03:10:08.680 --> 03:10:09.239 Horrifying. 3604 03:10:11.479 --> 03:10:13.399 So we just wanted to hang out. Ox and I 3605 03:10:13.559 --> 03:10:15.200 work a lot of matches together. Ed says he was 3606 03:10:15.280 --> 03:10:17.040 very helpful with my training early on in my career, 3607 03:10:17.079 --> 03:10:18.799 and we hit it off pretty well. When he stopped by, 3608 03:10:18.799 --> 03:10:20.239 he would just sit down next to me in a stoop. 3609 03:10:20.280 --> 03:10:22.920 Maybe need some simoone barbecue. Other times stop buying, to 3610 03:10:23.040 --> 03:10:27.559 stare at you, not say a word, just look at you. 3611 03:10:27.920 --> 03:10:30.799 Didn't even wasn't even invited over his eyebrows to a 3612 03:10:30.920 --> 03:10:37.239 point he would other times, Ed SAIDs rights he would 3613 03:10:37.280 --> 03:10:38.440 bring sandwich just to share. 3614 03:10:39.159 --> 03:10:39.959 Of course he wouldn't. 3615 03:10:40.079 --> 03:10:42.079 I liked eating with Ox. He always had an interesting 3616 03:10:42.120 --> 03:10:44.360 story to tell. Ox didn't care about cafe at all. 3617 03:10:44.639 --> 03:10:46.239 In a time when we had separate everything for the 3618 03:10:46.280 --> 03:10:48.040 heels and the baby faces from our cars, to our 3619 03:10:48.079 --> 03:10:50.200 hotels to the locker rooms. Good guys wouldn't be seen 3620 03:10:50.280 --> 03:10:52.280 with the villains anywhere to protect the business. But Ox 3621 03:10:52.319 --> 03:10:53.840 didn't care about any of that. He would come out 3622 03:10:53.879 --> 03:10:56.680 swimming or even lay down right next to me tan 3623 03:10:56.760 --> 03:10:58.280 in the sun, even when we were set to work 3624 03:10:58.280 --> 03:11:01.079 against each other that very night. Terry absolutely hated this. 3625 03:11:01.440 --> 03:11:03.159 If he strolled up on the beach and saw me 3626 03:11:03.280 --> 03:11:07.280 drinking with Ox, his face would go sour. He would say, disgustedly, 3627 03:11:07.360 --> 03:11:10.360 if anyone's fucking strolling up, you know, that makes whole 3628 03:11:10.360 --> 03:11:13.840 Cogan nastly. That's the one security blanket he has is 3629 03:11:14.000 --> 03:11:16.000 none of the heels, none of the faces are going 3630 03:11:16.079 --> 03:11:17.840 to be around him because of cave fame. But if 3631 03:11:17.879 --> 03:11:20.000 all of a sudden like that isn't a hard and 3632 03:11:20.079 --> 03:11:22.040 fast rule anymore, he can't trust that he's not going 3633 03:11:22.120 --> 03:11:25.959 to get covered. You know, let's not forget okay, let's 3634 03:11:25.959 --> 03:11:28.760 not forget something here, Okay. This is Ox Maker is 3635 03:11:28.879 --> 03:11:32.200 a classic example of what I have always talked about, 3636 03:11:33.319 --> 03:11:34.000 and the fact that. 3637 03:11:36.319 --> 03:11:39.040 These gentlemen the grocery store has to go to the 3638 03:11:39.120 --> 03:11:42.879 grocery store looking like he looks like that he is 3639 03:11:43.040 --> 03:11:49.639 buying fucking HoneyNet cheerios looking like that, like the axe 3640 03:11:51.000 --> 03:11:58.040 fucking horrifying seriously does with a fucking low axe, Like 3641 03:11:59.280 --> 03:12:04.719 why live alife? You can't do it? I mean, like 3642 03:12:04.840 --> 03:12:07.680 going doing anything as a joke, doing anything, were going 3643 03:12:07.719 --> 03:12:09.879 to the library, trying to fucking get a book, like 3644 03:12:10.040 --> 03:12:13.600 forget it, No, we don't. We don't serve your kind here. 3645 03:12:13.719 --> 03:12:17.959 Looks like a fucking monster, mister, we don't serve psychos here. God, 3646 03:12:20.840 --> 03:12:25.280 just I mean, imagine any normal thing, but with Ox 3647 03:12:25.440 --> 03:12:26.319 Baker doing. 3648 03:12:26.159 --> 03:12:33.000 It, that's a surprise. Pull quote from Total Complete that 3649 03:12:33.079 --> 03:12:37.959 I didn't expect. Imagine anything normal, but Ox Baker doing it. 3650 03:12:39.079 --> 03:12:40.040 Good stuff. 3651 03:12:41.239 --> 03:12:45.799 Ox. You might say ordering ordering Starbucks or dunkin Donuts 3652 03:12:47.000 --> 03:12:57.079 order for Ox. Yeah right, oh right there, Oh got 3653 03:12:57.159 --> 03:13:01.600 me again? He said up a bitch right in two seconds? 3654 03:13:02.079 --> 03:13:02.319 Ah. 3655 03:13:06.479 --> 03:13:10.159 I mean, just like people would not return to that 3656 03:13:10.280 --> 03:13:15.000 Starbucks not at all, scaring people on purpose because you 3657 03:13:15.120 --> 03:13:18.120 never know if he's going to be there again. You 3658 03:13:18.159 --> 03:13:22.600 would never know. This guy's just this guy has to 3659 03:13:22.799 --> 03:13:28.000 change his has to adopt an image that he cannot 3660 03:13:28.120 --> 03:13:33.079 change because week to week he has to sell out 3661 03:13:33.239 --> 03:13:34.799 a rinky dink arena. 3662 03:13:34.520 --> 03:13:36.920 Pull up to your house and like you know, thirty 3663 03:13:36.959 --> 03:13:40.159 after a night out, and you have like a window 3664 03:13:40.200 --> 03:13:42.600 overlooking the garage, and as you pull in, you look 3665 03:13:42.680 --> 03:13:44.799 up and you see he's standing in your living room 3666 03:13:44.879 --> 03:13:45.520 looking down at you. 3667 03:13:48.760 --> 03:13:52.959 Imagine this, Okay, imagine like you know, because you can 3668 03:13:53.079 --> 03:13:55.959 imagine who knows what, who knows what kind of you know, 3669 03:13:57.239 --> 03:13:59.040 I imagine he had to have some other kind of 3670 03:13:59.120 --> 03:14:01.799 income as well. Point Like let's say at one point 3671 03:14:01.840 --> 03:14:04.680 he's a delivery guy of course, like food delivery. So 3672 03:14:04.760 --> 03:14:08.719 it's like you order pizza and the doorbell rings and 3673 03:14:08.799 --> 03:14:12.360 you open it. You got this fucking psychopath in a 3674 03:14:12.479 --> 03:14:18.760 domino and you a pie, right, yeah, exactly, ospgger delivery 3675 03:14:18.799 --> 03:14:26.959 dominoes your house. You would say something like that he 3676 03:14:27.040 --> 03:14:31.360 had the pizza you eat all that. I have some myself. 3677 03:14:32.000 --> 03:14:32.239 Okay. 3678 03:14:32.319 --> 03:14:35.159 He tries to be He tries to be friendly about it. 3679 03:14:35.479 --> 03:14:37.360 That is because when you hear him do shoot interviews 3680 03:14:37.399 --> 03:14:40.239 and stuff, he is kind of gregarious and like he's 3681 03:14:40.360 --> 03:14:42.040 easy to get along with. It sounds like, but he 3682 03:14:42.159 --> 03:14:46.559 looks like he would cut your fucking neck off in 3683 03:14:46.639 --> 03:14:48.760 a second. I mean, he looks like he has no 3684 03:14:48.959 --> 03:14:50.200 problem eating a human being. 3685 03:14:50.319 --> 03:14:53.799 Exactly. Okay, you know he talks like the most normal 3686 03:14:53.879 --> 03:14:58.399 person ever. I know, I fucking watching those interviews and 3687 03:14:58.399 --> 03:15:02.639 it's like, this guy does not his his his demeanor 3688 03:15:02.680 --> 03:15:05.639 does not match this said look that he pizza's hair 3689 03:15:06.159 --> 03:15:10.920 ox banker hair. Can I come in? No, you cannot 3690 03:15:10.959 --> 03:15:11.239 come in? 3691 03:15:11.399 --> 03:15:11.920 You look at you? 3692 03:15:13.760 --> 03:15:16.399 You cannot come in? Ready for dinner? 3693 03:15:16.719 --> 03:15:16.920 Yeah? 3694 03:15:17.079 --> 03:15:17.280 Whoa? 3695 03:15:19.600 --> 03:15:20.360 You hear the ring. 3696 03:15:20.280 --> 03:15:22.639 Doorbell go off? You go, you'll turn the camera and 3697 03:15:22.719 --> 03:15:25.280 he's standing on your porch eating your pizza, looking in 3698 03:15:25.360 --> 03:15:25.760 the camera. 3699 03:15:29.879 --> 03:15:32.440 You look at you your doorboll camera and he's like, 3700 03:15:33.920 --> 03:15:36.799 you know, it's always got a fish eye lens, and 3701 03:15:36.920 --> 03:15:40.559 you got him. He's looking right home. He's like, you 3702 03:15:40.799 --> 03:15:46.120 see his eye, but then you see it. He's eating 3703 03:15:46.200 --> 03:15:48.120 the pizza, right. 3704 03:15:48.280 --> 03:15:50.280 You see mostly his eye, but there's this little dot 3705 03:15:50.360 --> 03:15:52.280 of his mouth at the bottom and it's moving one 3706 03:15:52.360 --> 03:15:53.399 hundred miles an hour. 3707 03:15:54.360 --> 03:15:56.239 And then and then and then he then he shifts 3708 03:15:56.319 --> 03:15:57.719 up so that you see his mouth and he's like 3709 03:15:58.120 --> 03:16:00.079 he starts laughing, but you see all the pizza in 3710 03:16:00.159 --> 03:16:12.559 his mouth. That's awesome, cinnatic as that's baker tremendous. I 3711 03:16:12.680 --> 03:16:16.079 got your pie. He was Terry's walking up to him 3712 03:16:16.079 --> 03:16:17.840 on the beach for suntan and going, come on, okay, 3713 03:16:17.879 --> 03:16:20.520 fae brother, get out of here. What are you doing? 3714 03:16:21.600 --> 03:16:28.040 Were you rolled me up showing up my sleeping quarters, dude, 3715 03:16:28.079 --> 03:16:29.440 I mean my. 3716 03:16:32.040 --> 03:16:35.959 Private home. It's a fucking van. So it became a 3717 03:16:36.000 --> 03:16:39.239 weird k fabe struggle rivalry between Terry and Ox. Brutus writes, 3718 03:16:39.399 --> 03:16:40.879 I was wrestling Ox and so I was Terry. So 3719 03:16:40.920 --> 03:16:42.399 I get why he didn't want us to be seen together. 3720 03:16:42.479 --> 03:16:44.239 But we always set up camp in the middle of nowhere. 3721 03:16:44.440 --> 03:16:46.399 Ox knew it bothered Terry and thought it was funny. 3722 03:16:48.000 --> 03:16:48.559 Of course he did. 3723 03:16:49.159 --> 03:16:50.680 So he wait till Terry was asleep in the beach 3724 03:16:50.719 --> 03:16:52.040 working on his tand and he would come over and 3725 03:16:52.120 --> 03:16:54.280 sit right down next to us. Terry woul wake up, 3726 03:16:54.319 --> 03:16:55.760 look to his left and yell, goddamn it. 3727 03:16:55.840 --> 03:16:56.040 Ox. 3728 03:16:56.079 --> 03:16:59.479 Then he would run to the van, said, perfect, what 3729 03:16:59.600 --> 03:17:02.920 you're saying it Terry's called. He's yelling Terry. As Terry 3730 03:17:02.959 --> 03:17:12.760 goes to the van, Terry Terry Terry sometimes Ox sometimes 3731 03:17:13.040 --> 03:17:18.799 Brutish writes, Ox would actually chase after him. Ox cared 3732 03:17:18.799 --> 03:17:21.760 about k but he just like and Terry Moore, okay, 3733 03:17:22.040 --> 03:17:25.600 like so like this is all this is. This is 3734 03:17:26.200 --> 03:17:28.319 more establishing of Hulk Hogan's parents. 3735 03:17:28.399 --> 03:17:33.799 Absolutely, like this guy's following him around and fallow him around, 3736 03:17:33.840 --> 03:17:38.319 He's chasing him. What do you what do you do? Why? 3737 03:17:38.440 --> 03:17:38.479 What? 3738 03:17:38.719 --> 03:17:38.760 What? 3739 03:17:40.120 --> 03:17:41.879 Like a male man running from a dog? 3740 03:17:42.079 --> 03:17:42.239 You know? 3741 03:17:43.319 --> 03:17:44.280 Yep, exactly. 3742 03:17:46.120 --> 03:17:47.639 I was good friends with Ox right up until the 3743 03:17:47.639 --> 03:17:49.360 time he died a short time ago. One Friday night 3744 03:17:49.360 --> 03:17:51.760 after our TV tapings at the Farm Center in Dauphin, Alabama. 3745 03:17:52.120 --> 03:17:56.639 It's it's it's not dolphin like like a dolphin it dophin. 3746 03:17:56.959 --> 03:17:58.559 I snack out to drive Box over to a bar 3747 03:17:58.680 --> 03:18:00.399 with the van, but Terry would have none of that. 3748 03:18:00.520 --> 03:18:03.600 After the show, Terran instead hopped a ride to one 3749 03:18:03.639 --> 03:18:06.200 of the hotels where some of the wrestlers were staying 3750 03:18:06.239 --> 03:18:08.200 for swim. He says that he got changed in Don 3751 03:18:08.280 --> 03:18:10.719 Fargo's room and then headed down to the pool. When 3752 03:18:10.760 --> 03:18:13.479 he got there, guess what he saw. Bos He couldn't 3753 03:18:13.479 --> 03:18:17.239 believe his eyes. Some nudest beach exhibitionist. Oh my god, 3754 03:18:17.280 --> 03:18:19.680 hockey type conference was there and they were all out 3755 03:18:19.719 --> 03:18:23.600 in rare and rear form. Everyone was naked and swimming. 3756 03:18:24.120 --> 03:18:25.920 Just as he was about to turn around and leave, 3757 03:18:26.280 --> 03:18:29.079 he looked over there. It was Robert Fuller aka Colonel 3758 03:18:29.159 --> 03:18:32.239 Rob Parker wow on the territory with his brother Ron. 3759 03:18:32.559 --> 03:18:34.920 He was standing on the diving board and all his glory, 3760 03:18:35.319 --> 03:18:39.639 completely naked, grounded by tons of wasted, drunk people cheering 3761 03:18:39.719 --> 03:18:42.040 him on a dive. Someone reached over and handed him 3762 03:18:42.079 --> 03:18:43.799 the Southwestern heavyweight title belt. 3763 03:18:43.840 --> 03:18:44.600 He put it on like a. 3764 03:18:44.680 --> 03:18:47.440 Champ, and the crowd went wild. It was dangling off 3765 03:18:47.520 --> 03:18:49.639 his waist as well as something else he was very 3766 03:18:49.840 --> 03:18:50.520 well known for. 3767 03:18:51.120 --> 03:18:54.360 I'm my dollar cock. I'll wear him about about five 3768 03:18:54.479 --> 03:18:56.600 pounds of Fuller Man meat. Now. 3769 03:18:56.639 --> 03:18:58.200 I don't know if you ever heard the legend of 3770 03:18:58.239 --> 03:19:02.000 Colonel Rob Parker's massive peace before, but it far surpasses 3771 03:19:02.079 --> 03:19:04.120 anything he ever did in the ring. His penis really 3772 03:19:04.280 --> 03:19:07.120 was bigger than his career. He wasn't shy about it either, 3773 03:19:07.239 --> 03:19:08.959 let me tell you. He would just whip it out 3774 03:19:09.079 --> 03:19:11.360 with no notice anywhere and swing it around like a 3775 03:19:11.440 --> 03:19:13.559 pocket watch on a chain. He would take it out 3776 03:19:13.559 --> 03:19:16.120 in the locker room, in the grocery store, driving next 3777 03:19:16.200 --> 03:19:17.120 to a car of nuns. 3778 03:19:17.159 --> 03:19:18.319 It didn't matter, I guess. 3779 03:19:18.360 --> 03:19:20.079 In this particular night, he was in his element, in 3780 03:19:20.159 --> 03:19:22.760 full exhibition mode. He started a picture of the movie 3781 03:19:22.799 --> 03:19:25.520 almost famous. You know when he comes upon that. Oh yes, 3782 03:19:26.000 --> 03:19:28.040 he started bouncing up and down on the board, getting 3783 03:19:28.040 --> 03:19:30.799 the proper momentum going enough to spin his cock around 3784 03:19:30.879 --> 03:19:33.319 in a complete circle. Once it looked like the propeller 3785 03:19:33.399 --> 03:19:35.760 of an airplane. He was ready for lift off. He 3786 03:19:35.879 --> 03:19:38.360 took three steps and jumped low and behold, he didn't 3787 03:19:38.440 --> 03:19:41.280 drop like a bag of shit. His spinning penis actually 3788 03:19:41.399 --> 03:19:45.200 helped him finally take flight like a helicopter. Everyone's here, 3789 03:19:45.200 --> 03:19:47.639 all right, thanks a lot, Kenny. 3790 03:19:49.159 --> 03:19:51.200 Yeah, definitely not a beefcake story. 3791 03:19:51.479 --> 03:19:54.200 Is Hogan's book on the whole thing? The only place, ohya, 3792 03:19:54.200 --> 03:19:56.600 I'll give it to you actually, because he's he's in 3793 03:19:56.719 --> 03:20:00.440 rare form here, and he tells the throbbing members story, 3794 03:20:00.520 --> 03:20:04.840 but he kinda you know, he kind of doesn't tell 3795 03:20:04.879 --> 03:20:08.760 it the same exact way. Oh, it's a different person 3796 03:20:09.239 --> 03:20:10.399 whose cock is out, I think. 3797 03:20:10.920 --> 03:20:14.760 Oh from his first book, all right, the one place 3798 03:20:14.799 --> 03:20:17.840 on a penstacle Alabama circuit that weirded me out. Well, 3799 03:20:17.959 --> 03:20:21.520 that was doath in Alabama. Weirded me out. 3800 03:20:22.079 --> 03:20:23.760 That's why I don't talk about it, because I was 3801 03:20:24.360 --> 03:20:26.079 violating marvel ip the whole time. 3802 03:20:26.559 --> 03:20:29.000 We wrestled there on Friday nights at the farm Center, 3803 03:20:29.360 --> 03:20:31.479 and they say over at the hotel because Saturday, I 3804 03:20:31.479 --> 03:20:33.559 thought you'd be in your fucking van. Oh he was 3805 03:20:33.559 --> 03:20:36.399 in the hotel. Hotel. He went to swim for one 3806 03:20:36.479 --> 03:20:39.879 all Saturday morning would take some TV to promote the 3807 03:20:39.959 --> 03:20:43.399 next week's rounds of events. First time I wrestled there, 3808 03:20:43.879 --> 03:20:46.280 Russell's got some beer after we left the farm Center 3809 03:20:46.520 --> 03:20:48.760 and went back to the hotel to relax, or so 3810 03:20:48.920 --> 03:20:51.280 I thought, I want to go to the hotel. The 3811 03:20:51.360 --> 03:20:54.319 parking lot was packed. I didn't get it. You know, 3812 03:20:54.360 --> 03:20:55.840 when I was earlier in the day the lot was 3813 03:20:55.840 --> 03:20:57.520 almost empty, and all of a sudden, it was worth 3814 03:20:57.840 --> 03:21:03.239 your life to get a spiller. Brother Jesus twice. 3815 03:21:03.280 --> 03:21:05.120 You do not pull up on the thing he expects 3816 03:21:05.159 --> 03:21:08.159 to be empty model. Oh, no way, no way, Like 3817 03:21:08.479 --> 03:21:09.440 what's one who talked? 3818 03:21:09.479 --> 03:21:10.399 Actually? Who talked to who? 3819 03:21:10.440 --> 03:21:12.440 Because everyone seems to know about this except you, your 3820 03:21:12.479 --> 03:21:15.840 boy here exactly I want to saw the hotel, which 3821 03:21:15.879 --> 03:21:17.479 had a swimming pool right in the center of it, 3822 03:21:17.879 --> 03:21:20.239 and I finally saw why there were so many people there. 3823 03:21:20.719 --> 03:21:22.959 One of the Fuller brothers, the guys who owned the territory, 3824 03:21:23.040 --> 03:21:26.280 was on the diving board, wearing the Southern Heavyweight title 3825 03:21:26.360 --> 03:21:30.040 belt and nothing else outside of that belt wrapped around 3826 03:21:30.079 --> 03:21:34.680 his middle. He was he was stark naked. There's a 3827 03:21:34.760 --> 03:21:37.440 huge crowd on the swimming pool, you know, cheering and 3828 03:21:37.559 --> 03:21:40.280 raising hell. It looked to me like the whole town 3829 03:21:40.440 --> 03:21:43.360 was there as a final Later it wasn't the whole town, 3830 03:21:43.479 --> 03:21:46.719 just everybody who'd been at the farm Center watching us wrestle. 3831 03:21:47.319 --> 03:21:49.000 You know, when from the people in the front road, 3832 03:21:49.159 --> 03:21:52.000 the guy's the nosebleed section. I mean, how big is 3833 03:21:52.040 --> 03:21:55.440 the Farm Center? I think six thousand seats? Yeah, then 3834 03:21:55.639 --> 03:21:57.520 would you consider those me nosebleed sections? 3835 03:21:58.040 --> 03:22:02.520 Probably six. I wouldn't considered a six thousand seat. Before 3836 03:22:02.559 --> 03:22:04.040 I knew it, this crazy son of a bitch on 3837 03:22:04.079 --> 03:22:06.879 the diving board took a dive into the pool belt 3838 03:22:06.959 --> 03:22:09.600 and all. That's why I realized he wasn't the only 3839 03:22:09.680 --> 03:22:11.959 one without any clothes on. As soon as he hit 3840 03:22:12.000 --> 03:22:14.200 the water, everyone else in the pool got girls and 3841 03:22:14.440 --> 03:22:17.639 guys came climbing out, and they were naked too. I 3842 03:22:17.799 --> 03:22:19.639 just walked away, shaking my head and saying to myself, 3843 03:22:19.680 --> 03:22:23.680 this is insane. Even that back then, I knew it 3844 03:22:23.760 --> 03:22:26.559 wasn't right to run around naked like that with families 3845 03:22:26.600 --> 03:22:28.799 and kids around who'd followed us from the arena back 3846 03:22:28.840 --> 03:22:32.000 to the hotel. It was like a circus was in town. Yep, 3847 03:22:32.079 --> 03:22:35.879 it was mind boggling. Even if Terry Boulder wasn't comfortable 3848 03:22:36.200 --> 03:22:40.200 at times in Dothan, Dothan was real comfortable Terry Boulder. 3849 03:22:40.280 --> 03:22:44.040 We'll get a lot more into why he felt that 3850 03:22:44.120 --> 03:22:46.159 way about Dothan, or Doathan felt that way about him 3851 03:22:46.479 --> 03:22:49.799 as we continue here on the Alabama leg of the 3852 03:22:50.040 --> 03:22:53.319 Complete Hulkogin. But of all the crazy hijinks he would 3853 03:22:53.360 --> 03:22:55.920 witness in person and on the road and in the 3854 03:22:56.040 --> 03:22:59.040 vans and in the hotel pools, it was really what 3855 03:22:59.239 --> 03:23:01.200 the wind on his skin that he'd remember from this 3856 03:23:01.319 --> 03:23:03.760 point in time. She recalled from his second book. At 3857 03:23:03.760 --> 03:23:07.040 a particular point, he and a reality show crew visit 3858 03:23:07.159 --> 03:23:09.799 his childhood home in Tampa, after his marriage is beginning 3859 03:23:09.840 --> 03:23:12.479 to fall apart, and after really hell Kogan's entire world 3860 03:23:12.680 --> 03:23:15.600 is crumbling around him, and he spent some time in 3861 03:23:15.639 --> 03:23:18.600 the backyard looking at the old remembering the old grapefruit 3862 03:23:18.680 --> 03:23:21.840 trees that his dad used to tend to, and remembering 3863 03:23:22.200 --> 03:23:24.680 his mom. You'd be the one to stay indoors, and 3864 03:23:24.760 --> 03:23:26.600 how they found a way to make their marriage work 3865 03:23:26.639 --> 03:23:30.079 in that tiny house, no money at all, just tending 3866 03:23:30.120 --> 03:23:34.840 to trees and really just loving the water, and he 3867 03:23:35.040 --> 03:23:38.040 recalled I found myself wishing, Terry wrote that Linda and 3868 03:23:38.120 --> 03:23:40.680 I could be happy again, praying almost even though I 3869 03:23:40.719 --> 03:23:43.280 hadn't gone to church or spent any time praying for years. 3870 03:23:43.600 --> 03:23:45.920 I thought about how crazy my life had become. What 3871 03:23:46.040 --> 03:23:48.120 am I doing in a twenty thousand square foot house. 3872 03:23:48.399 --> 03:23:50.879 I think I was happier when I was living out 3873 03:23:50.879 --> 03:23:53.159 of a van by the beach in pens and Coola, 3874 03:23:53.639 --> 03:23:56.959 just waking up and feeling the wind on my skin. 3875 03:24:00.920 --> 03:24:01.239 Call it