Speaker 1: It's a Lapsed Van wrestling podcast special report. The Lapsed
Speaker 1: Fan presents The Complete Hull Cogan, a real American story
Speaker 1: brought to you by Garage Beach.
Speaker 2: Leaving Cocoa Beach, leaving Cape Canaveral Boss, leaving the rocket
Speaker 2: launching behind is Terry Bulay. Are you gonna miss Cocoa Beach?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yes, I'm always gonna miss Cocoa Beach, especially this
Speaker 3: time of year. I love a good hot cup of
Speaker 3: Cocoa Beach.
Speaker 2: Last time we were with you formally on the Complete
Speaker 2: Hull Cogan. Here in The Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast, the
Speaker 2: most exhaustive review of the life and times of Terry
Speaker 2: Boley you'll find anywhere. He was in Coco Beach for
Speaker 2: a year hiatus from the wrestling business with his pal
Speaker 2: from back in Tampa in the high school days at Leslie,
Speaker 2: and they were bouncing and bartending at the Anchor Club
Speaker 2: in Cocoa Beach and living the bachelor life and working
Speaker 2: out and hitting the weights hard and roiding and fucking.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's pretty much what was what happened right
Speaker 2: in drinking.
Speaker 3: Listen, all right, there's I mean, honestly, all those other
Speaker 3: things mattered but what mattered most fucking and did we
Speaker 3: or did we not.
Speaker 2: Confirm that Don the Dragon Wilson was outpacing them times
Speaker 2: three up in the attic.
Speaker 3: Oh, listen, listen that that was his attic. Okay, that
Speaker 3: was his attic. He did business up there, and and
Speaker 3: there was no there was no question about that. If
Speaker 3: you think we are there's nothing, there's nothing. There was
Speaker 3: nothing that they could possibly do to compete with the Dragon.
Speaker 2: I've told you this, but listeners of the Solar System
Speaker 2: may not have heard this yet. Of course, we presented
Speaker 2: a very proud to percent an interview with star of
Speaker 2: martial arts and action movies, Don the Dragon Wilson, who,
Speaker 2: of course, before becoming a Hollywood celebrity, worked with Hulko
Speaker 2: and Ned Leslie at the Anchor Club in Cocoa Beach
Speaker 2: and talk to us at Grant lengthen and very colorful
Speaker 2: detail without that experience. But I've told you what I
Speaker 2: had to when you said to him, well, as long
Speaker 2: as everybody was satisfied, and he was like, I hope
Speaker 2: the girls were satisfied. I was like, we don't have
Speaker 2: to do any more of these, really, I mean, he's
Speaker 2: not going to get much better than that.
Speaker 3: He that was that was actually the most with the
Speaker 3: most probably I was not expecting that reaction from him
Speaker 3: that at all, not at all. I don't think expect
Speaker 3: most of the way he reacted. I know, I know what,
Speaker 3: but you know, it was, like you tell, he was
Speaker 3: taking it back because like I would imagine someone like
Speaker 3: him would have said, fuck yeah, they were satisfy. No no, no, no,
Speaker 3: he was nervous.
Speaker 2: He's a truth teller, and that's why we were so
Speaker 2: proud to have him and what it would have blast
Speaker 2: and what a pleasure it was to color in a
Speaker 2: part of Terry Boulay's life that really has never talked
Speaker 2: about because he wasn't in the pro wrestling business.
Speaker 3: And that's which is kind of funny. You'd think at
Speaker 3: this point, you know, given that that pretty much everybody
Speaker 3: you know and their mom and my mom know about
Speaker 3: Hull Coogan's wrestling, you know, the time that he was wrestling,
Speaker 3: you'd think that that would be a more people more
Speaker 3: interested in in that part of it where he's not,
Speaker 3: where he's not wrestling. Yeah, Like I would want to
Speaker 3: know more at that point because that's because there comes
Speaker 3: a point where oftentimes if I if I like I've read,
Speaker 3: if I've watched a movie or something like that, and
Speaker 3: I want more, I will eventually. This is movies that
Speaker 3: are based on books. I eventually turned to the book
Speaker 3: because I'm like, I'm just not satisfied anymore with what
Speaker 3: the movie gave me. I need more than that. I
Speaker 3: need more, and and so I always turn to the book,
Speaker 3: and then I get more, and then I'm left feeling
Speaker 3: more satisfied than I was. And I'm able to I'm
Speaker 3: able to kind of fit into pieces that are not
Speaker 3: in the movie. But now that I know the book,
Speaker 3: you know, I can I can say, oh, okay, well
Speaker 3: that would have gone in here. I see there at
Speaker 3: this part in the movie, so they must be doing
Speaker 3: this and that minute, you know. So, so I'm just
Speaker 3: surprised that it's not more of a thing. Well, we
Speaker 3: took care of that, and we did. There'll be a
Speaker 3: little bit more to offer as it regards what was
Speaker 3: going down in Cocoa Beach and how it gave a
Speaker 3: direct tie back into the wrestling business for Hulk Hogan
Speaker 3: and indeed entree into the wrestling business for ed Leslie.
Speaker 3: As we go to Hulk Hogan's first Territory after emphasis
Speaker 3: emphasis on entree for sure.
Speaker 2: Andre the Giant coming to a ring near year because
Speaker 2: it's Alabama and the Gulf Coast Southeastern Territory as the
Speaker 2: first stop for who would become Terry the Hulk Boulder.
Speaker 2: We're still in the birth of Hulk Hogan phase of
Speaker 2: tchh Boss because he has yet to be named Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 3: That's so crazy.
Speaker 2: But as we'll get to we'll explain what else was
Speaker 2: happening in Coco Beach that we didn't talk about last time,
Speaker 2: that very much laid the foundation for him to become,
Speaker 2: to say the very least, a hulking figure to wrestling
Speaker 2: promoters down there, in particular promoter Ron Fuller and his
Speaker 2: booker Louie Tillette, who were really the first to run
Speaker 2: with the Hulk Cogan ball, as it were. And if
Speaker 2: you thought that we have turned over things you didn't
Speaker 2: know about Hulk Hogan up to this point, you ain't
Speaker 2: seen nothing yet because you I can't tell you how
Speaker 2: fucking excited I've been. Oh no, since I first understood
Speaker 2: all of this. To tell you, it's all in nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy nine. Yeah, this idea that like Hull Coogan slowly
Speaker 2: worked his way into the wrestling business, went to work
Speaker 2: for Vince Senior, and over several years chase Stadium and
Speaker 2: became this in Japan, became this top player. Every single
Speaker 2: thing that Hulk Cogan never did that was of consequence
Speaker 2: in his career. He did first in nineteen seventy nine
Speaker 2: in Alabama.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: And it was like the four month run.
Speaker 2: And almost nobody knew anything about the details of this,
Speaker 2: which again lap serendipity in full effect until Ron Fuller,
Speaker 2: the promoter down there, brother of Robert Fuller aka Pearl
Speaker 2: Robert Parker, Yes, came out with the podcast It's called
Speaker 2: The stud CA asked Jesus Christ, We've got to say,
Speaker 2: right off the top highest recommendation for no other reason
Speaker 2: than he is talking about a period of history that
Speaker 2: is so underdocumented, that so much a period of history,
Speaker 2: but a location, a territory, right, very small, very humble territory,
Speaker 2: so small it almost it almost confuses you as to
Speaker 2: like where it starts and ends. Think about Pensacola, Doti.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing I couldn't even tell you.
Speaker 2: I couldn't even I couldn't even tell you one thing
Speaker 2: that I've ever learned about Alabama.
Speaker 3: Yep, in the state, not alone. I mean, well, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean the territory I got you. Well,
Speaker 3: I know, I know, but it's funny you mentioned that
Speaker 3: because you know, over the summer. I forget if I
Speaker 3: even talked about this with you or not, but you know,
Speaker 3: we did one of one of my my wife's clients,
Speaker 3: wells a couple of clients were in shows one and
Speaker 3: well it was when I went to Saint Louis, So
Speaker 3: you know this, Yeah, when I went to Saint Louis
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, I was in Alabama
Speaker 3: for like an hour because we want to go see
Speaker 3: a show in Alabama. And so it was really like
Speaker 3: a very fucking funny like that. That's it. That's I've
Speaker 3: been to Alabama. I don't even never need to go again.
Speaker 3: We have had a longer than I have. I'm good,
Speaker 3: right exactly, That's just it. You know, I've been there.
Speaker 3: I was there for like five hours top.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm confident and saying if you had heard what
Speaker 2: we're about to talk about on this next leg of
Speaker 2: the joy would.
Speaker 3: Have gone for I would have gone for a jaunt.
Speaker 2: You would have had many pilgrimages in mind, because the
Speaker 2: things that Terry Bolea did for the first time in
Speaker 2: pro wrestling, in this little nook and cranny of the
Speaker 2: wrestling territorial system as it existed in nineteen seventy nine,
Speaker 2: boggles the mind. Can I just ask you, boss, what
Speaker 2: if I told you that in his first four or
Speaker 2: five months in the business he started the nWo in
Speaker 2: the Alabama Hulk Hogan challenged for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.
Speaker 3: What the fuck? What? What like the Icen's plate belt? Correct?
Speaker 2: What if I told you that the first ever Hulk
Speaker 2: Cogan under the Giant match took place in his first
Speaker 2: four months back in the business. I can't fucking handle that.
Speaker 3: That one. I can't That's not that's not fair. That's
Speaker 3: not fair. What if that's not fair? If I told
Speaker 3: you it's not fair? To flare the nineteen ninety three
Speaker 3: King of the Ring finish with the flash camera first
Speaker 3: happened in nineteen seventy nine in Alabama with him in
Speaker 3: the ring, Are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 2: Or the first time he carried someone in his arms
Speaker 2: like he did Miss Elizabeth on Saturday Night's Made Event
Speaker 2: in the end with macho man.
Speaker 3: To the back. He fucking he's been ripping. He's just
Speaker 3: been copying the same shit over and over again since
Speaker 3: day one. What have I told you? That?
Speaker 2: He ran into the inspiration for Hulkamania, the inspiration for
Speaker 2: cupping the ear, the inspiration for so many elements of
Speaker 2: what would come the Hulk Cogan character. And a wrestler
Speaker 2: by the name of Austin Idol who happened to come
Speaker 2: through coast when he was there. Jesus, it's all here,
Speaker 2: so we potentially did have a Hogan Austin match.
Speaker 3: Huh. Can somebody you could say that although he wasn't
Speaker 3: Hogan yet, that's true. Good point. It's all here and
Speaker 3: it's all beer. I I am. I don't know that.
Speaker 3: That's just too much for me.
Speaker 2: And thanks to your stellar work. The last time we
Speaker 2: were with you in the Complete Hulk Cogan, a very
Speaker 2: special available to all episode of Under the Cinemat and
Speaker 2: we looked at the television pilot, the hour and a
Speaker 2: half cinematic treatment of Louf for Riigno's Incredible Hulk. For
Speaker 2: a reason, because of the year that drops, it is
Speaker 2: absolutely correlated with a wrestling promoter getting a look at
Speaker 2: this Terry Ballet coming off the run in Cocoa Beach,
Speaker 2: hanging and banging at Whitey's, taking as much steroids as
Speaker 2: he could and saying, you know what, goddamn it, everyone's
Speaker 2: talking about the incredible Hulk and this louf for Urigno guy.
Speaker 2: We got a wrestling Hulk right here. And it's here
Speaker 2: in Alabama, here in the Gulf Coast that Terry Boley
Speaker 2: is first presented to the world as the Hulk. The
Speaker 2: Hulk folks here I am when Terry passes, thinking, oh
Speaker 2: my god, there's so many things that so gradually became
Speaker 2: true about this guy. You know, everyone saw it in
Speaker 2: the beginning. He did it all in the beginning. He
Speaker 2: showed his cards in the beginning. In terms of what
Speaker 2: working promoters off of each other.
Speaker 3: Wow, well, it's funny too, because everyone kind of it
Speaker 3: seems like, you know, if you're if you're smarter than
Speaker 3: most in terms of wrestling knowledge, you generally uh paid
Speaker 3: tribute to vern for doing the Hull Cogan thing, right,
Speaker 3: And what you're telling me is that that's bullshit.
Speaker 2: Well, he hul Comania wasn't running wild because remember he
Speaker 2: was not Hulk Hogan. Sure, but basically like all the
Speaker 2: Basically he had all the elements and then Vern just
Speaker 2: jacked it up. Basically, it's wrong to say that Vern
Speaker 2: saw Hulk Hogan and Hulk Cogan. It's accurate to say
Speaker 2: Ron Fuller and Louis to Lett saw Hulk Hogan and
Speaker 2: Hulkong because I think we open and shut the brisco
Speaker 2: Yes say that. I think we opened and shut the
Speaker 2: case and Eddie Graham and the Briscos, as much as
Speaker 2: the revisionist history plays into it, they did not see
Speaker 2: the biggest star in the history of the business when
Speaker 2: Terry Bully was getting shuffled around the territory with shit
Speaker 2: dates where he was basically losing more money than he
Speaker 2: was making because he was traveling so far as Super
Speaker 2: Destroyer under the hood and being put out there for
Speaker 2: the locker room's amusement because he didn't know how to
Speaker 2: go more than fifteen minutes without gassing.
Speaker 3: I think we.
Speaker 2: Brian Blair himself, who's incredibly diplomatic about stuff like this,
Speaker 2: did indeed do us the service when we talked to
Speaker 2: him recently in the complete Hulk Cogan of affirming that
Speaker 2: that was pretty much the case and pretty much how
Speaker 2: Terry Bulays upside in the professional business was viewed by
Speaker 2: those who quote unquote broke him in spectacular and it's
Speaker 2: all going to come back around. And all those motherfuckers
Speaker 2: who didn't see it and snickered behind his back and
Speaker 2: just saw him as some kind of whipping boy and
Speaker 2: some kind of tool or someone like a dusty who
Speaker 2: wanted to keep him away from the hesterly and pretend
Speaker 2: he wasn't worthy. This motherfucker is going to find a
Speaker 2: way to be undeniable as a drawing card in the
Speaker 2: smallest little area possible. You couldn't contain what this guy's
Speaker 2: charisma could do if you just leaned into letting him
Speaker 2: be the centerpiece of your company. We're off to the races.
Speaker 2: We are very much off to the races. So this
Speaker 2: is so exciting. I mean, even five years ago, a
Speaker 2: lot of the stuff we're about to convey to you
Speaker 2: about Terry Bully's first year in the business after the
Speaker 2: hiatus wouldn't be known and possible to anywhere near the
Speaker 2: degree of specificity if it weren't for Ron Fuller's podcast.
Speaker 2: Because before he did that, there's a com leete dearth
Speaker 2: of video footage. There's a complete lack of any real good,
Speaker 2: solid like newspaper coverage because it's such a small area.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking Dothan, Mobile, Montgomery, Pensacola, and that's
Speaker 2: pretty much it. That's pretty much the hilaria. Now, Ron
Speaker 2: Fuller also owned the Knoxville, Tennessee territory as well, but
Speaker 2: that was kind of separate and distinct, though he owned
Speaker 2: both of them. One was called Southeastern Gulf Coast, which
Speaker 2: is those Alabama cities I mentioned, and the other was
Speaker 2: called Southeastern Knoxville, which eventually went on to be the
Speaker 2: territory that Angela Pafo would buy into and take over
Speaker 2: and where Machu Man would get his got No sheltlog group.
Speaker 2: And what's a real thrill as as part of nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy nine and the Complete Hulk Coogan We're going to
Speaker 2: be built, tell the story about the famous Plan B tape,
Speaker 2: the Knoxville War. I bet you've never heard anything about this.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. It's
Speaker 2: incredibly germane to where Hulk Cogan found himself, for Terry
Speaker 2: Bolea found himself in terms of like taking off in
Speaker 2: this territory, but at a time that the territory was
Speaker 2: just focused on other things, fighting for its battling an
Speaker 2: outlaw group that was trying to basically put them out
Speaker 2: of business and take the territory from Ron Fuller, and
Speaker 2: doing all kinds of things that you do in a
Speaker 2: territorial wrestling war of the seventies.
Speaker 3: So I I want to talk to somebody, Okay, I
Speaker 3: want to talk to somebody as you do. Who who
Speaker 3: was from you know, Alabama, watching wrestling in Alabama. Who
Speaker 3: saw Hogan versus Andre okay in Alabama, and and I
Speaker 3: want to ask them about what they thought when the
Speaker 3: w was promoting promoting it as being, you know, the
Speaker 3: first time ever. I want, I want to know. I
Speaker 3: need to I need that.
Speaker 2: I need it because it's so it's such a small
Speaker 2: area of the country. The television didn't even reach more
Speaker 2: than like four cities, right, maybe it was more than that,
Speaker 2: but as I've heard Ron Fuller describe it, I try
Speaker 2: to pay a clip attention as I could. That seemed
Speaker 2: to roughly be the coverage area. You're talking about a
Speaker 2: sliver of a sliver of a territory. Right when we
Speaker 2: think about you know, Crockett or Georgia or I mean,
Speaker 2: I know one person, I know one person from Alabama,
Speaker 2: one person, and there was no fucking way that they
Speaker 2: were watching wrestling. And it was because of that. In
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, it was because of that smallness
Speaker 2: and because of that sort of upstart nature of this
Speaker 2: of this part of the country. Under Ron Fuller, who
Speaker 2: had just bought in at a very young age, he
Speaker 2: became an owner of a territory pretty much younger than
Speaker 2: anybody ever have in the history of the NWA. He's
Speaker 2: forced to find and make new stars because there's just
Speaker 2: not a dearth of marketable guys there for him to
Speaker 2: really reliably draw crowds, and it's small enough territory that
Speaker 2: they can't really get a ton of reliable dates on
Speaker 2: the NBA Champion, which is always right, you know, a
Speaker 2: way to really make your year from a box office
Speaker 2: receipts perspective. So it's going to be so fascinating to
Speaker 2: not only talk about how Terry bollayup hits his stride
Speaker 2: in Alabama, but because of everything else that was going
Speaker 2: on in Alabama. It wasn't really appreciated at the time,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't really the sole focus of the decision
Speaker 2: makers and the power players in that area at the time,
Speaker 2: and how Hulk just sort of slipped. He just kind
Speaker 2: of you just kind of yed it out the back door.
Speaker 2: You see you later, And thanks for the memories. So
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Speaker 3: really you know, for not not considering that to begin with,
Speaker 3: Like to me that like, I didn't even have that
Speaker 3: on the list, but of course it makes absolute sense,
Speaker 3: and I am I'm so thrilled that you, uh, that
Speaker 3: you sprung it on me to do that, because it
Speaker 3: needed to be done. It absolutely needed to be done.
Speaker 2: What surprised you coming away all the work you did
Speaker 2: understanding Luigo and what the whole character was really it,
Speaker 2: It was what surprised me was actually.
Speaker 3: The the the the serendipity in terms of the people
Speaker 3: involved and Hull Cogan and how we kind of as
Speaker 3: we were going through it, we realized how similar some
Speaker 3: of these lives were to Hull Cogan's and how you know,
Speaker 3: there was a lot of stuff that that almost seemed
Speaker 3: like Hogan maybe lifted it from Luf Forigno from resolutely
Speaker 3: from his past. You know, it made me question the
Speaker 3: history that we know, even more so than for.
Speaker 2: Those who haven't had the chance to listen. What jumps
Speaker 2: to your mind first in that regard the the childhood stuff,
Speaker 2: the childhood stuff and the story about uh being I mean,
Speaker 2: really about being this this this wimp. You know, they
Speaker 2: keep talking about Louf Forarno being a whim, but yet
Speaker 2: he's he's an athlete and he's playing baseball and he's
Speaker 2: a slugger and stuff like that, and it kind of
Speaker 2: it made me think of obviously the baseball with Hogan,
Speaker 2: but also made me think about how Hogan kept talking
Speaker 2: about how he was this this shy, non athletic guy,
Speaker 2: but yet he played sports. So it's just like, well,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, what how do you like I don't
Speaker 2: understand that mentality. But you know this and also too,
Speaker 2: they they both they they they both adapt these this, this,
Speaker 2: these histories, you know, or adopt these histories that they've
Speaker 2: kind of not necessarily that they're completely untrue, but that they've.
Speaker 3: They've kind of tweaked you know, here and there and
Speaker 3: kind of like, you know, well, if I say this,
Speaker 3: it actually makes the story sound a little bit better
Speaker 3: and not necessarily completely true, not completely false, but it
Speaker 3: it it helps, it helps their image and their story
Speaker 3: better if it's told a little different and you know
Speaker 3: a little bit more in this particular way.
Speaker 2: How much k Fee is involved in Pumping Iron the
Speaker 2: movie exactly. Lugno first came into the public consciousness next
Speaker 2: to Arnold Schwarzenegger and just the way his dad was
Speaker 2: like not knew nothing about bodybuilding, but had to pretend
Speaker 2: to know about bodybuilding because that's what the producers wanted.
Speaker 2: It was an overbearing dad. And then just hearing about
Speaker 2: the parallels of Lufrigno's life in Hulkogan's life and stan
Speaker 2: Lee as as Vince McMahon to the character or oh,
Speaker 2: just amazing, just amazing, and the fact that of course
Speaker 2: these streams would very much.
Speaker 3: And that's the same too. The history is the stan
Speaker 3: Lee's history is also put in a question, you know,
Speaker 3: you know, in terms of what's real and what's not.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's all it all, it's it's the same,
Speaker 3: it's the same thing, same you know, shame, same shit,
Speaker 3: different toilet based on Bruce Banner aka David Banner as
Speaker 3: they call him for some reason, bullshit on the TV
Speaker 3: series as Terry Blea. And you've got exactly credible hull
Speaker 3: his hull Cogan right right, and he hulks up and
Speaker 3: the shirt ripping, and it's oh, there was so much
Speaker 3: in there that I never even that I never even
Speaker 3: thought about, honestly, the posing all that shit, Like I
Speaker 3: was like, my god, like that really so much of
Speaker 3: of of Hulk Hogan was taken I'll say inspired loosely
Speaker 3: but definitely taken from The Incredible Hulk. And you know,
Speaker 3: wrestling fans, longtime Hulking maniacs, know, like at the end
Speaker 3: of the copyright screen of any WWF cassette tape or anything,
Speaker 3: it says copyright Marvel Comics. Oh, even even his Hasbro figure. God,
Speaker 3: all right, even his Hasbro figure had it. And we're
Speaker 3: not going to miss something on a Hasbro casing. No,
Speaker 3: not at all. And I always wondered, like, why the
Speaker 3: fuck does Marvel get credit on this thing.
Speaker 2: That's definitely a through line on the complete hul Cogan
Speaker 2: is how did this this intellectual property volley work between
Speaker 2: Terry Bullay and Marvel Comics and eventually the WWF, Because
Speaker 2: by the time we get to WrestleMania one and hul
Speaker 2: Cogan is on the tip of everybody's tongue and a
Speaker 2: mainstream American success story, they all of a sudden find
Speaker 2: themselves having to have some serious discussions with Marvel Comics
Speaker 2: around how this is going to work from a legal perspective.
Speaker 2: And it starts way before the hul Cogan and the
Speaker 2: WWF or even the hul Cogan and the WWWF that
Speaker 2: we talked about it starts here in Alabama, it starts
Speaker 2: in Memphis, his first territories where they're not they're not
Speaker 2: calling him Hulk Cogan that they are calling him straight
Speaker 2: up the Incredible Hulk. They are calling him.
Speaker 3: And the Hulk and and right or or you know,
Speaker 3: like if some of the news articles that I read
Speaker 3: on on the Cinemat episode would the you know, Wrestling's Hulk, Yes,
Speaker 3: they would call him, you know, the the the something,
Speaker 3: you know, both of his of his names around this
Speaker 3: time period, they they would call him the Hulk. It
Speaker 3: wasn't just Terry the Hulk Boulder, which surprised me. I
Speaker 3: think the Hulk Wrestling's Hulk, Sterling Golden was also equally
Speaker 3: surprising to me. Yeah, that's a collation he didn't think
Speaker 3: ever happened, never, never, not once. I think one of
Speaker 3: the surprises of this episode is going to be the
Speaker 3: revelation I think that Ron Fuller was calling him Sterling
Speaker 3: Golden before he was calling him Terry the Hulk Boulder.
Speaker 3: I can't, I can't. At least he.
Speaker 2: Was being called Sterling Golden by a manager that he
Speaker 2: had in the Gulf Coast territory, Terry Bully was and
Speaker 2: that actually served as part of the basis of why
Speaker 2: he turned babyface and became a babyface sensation there for
Speaker 2: the first time, was because he insisted on being called
Speaker 2: Terry the Hulk Boulder and not Sterling Golden, which of
Speaker 2: course is a name he would go on to use
Speaker 2: later in nineteen seventy nine after leaving the Alabama territory
Speaker 2: and making his way for short lived and at Georgia
Speaker 2: Championship Wrestling at Sterling Golden all that to come first, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, and that's why fucking Jimmy Barnett would call him
Speaker 3: Sterling forever called fucking Sterling. The end of it, well well,
Speaker 3: well beyond, well beyond is that time to the end
Speaker 3: of his days?
Speaker 2: Sterling for sure. I love those blonde locks, no question
Speaker 2: about that. And you know, I think seventy nine, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's one episode. No, No, it's all in seventy nine.
Speaker 2: It is all of the raw material, all of the
Speaker 2: launch points for everything that came to, all the smack
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Speaker 2: Your co chairs are the big fat thumbs up. The
Speaker 2: big fucking thumbs up and a lot of the material
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Speaker 2: reap the fruits of that because we've got we've got
Speaker 2: the material we need to march chronologically through Hulk and
Speaker 2: with Gulf Coast. It's tough because, like I said, and
Speaker 2: this is you're going to be so frustrated by this
Speaker 2: by the time we're done with this part of his life.
Speaker 2: The lack of video that has survived, I mean, if
Speaker 2: you've seen the Clay, then we're gonna watch it of
Speaker 2: Hulk arm wrestling Andre in Alabama. It came out on
Speaker 2: a home video release called Wrestling Gold by Kit Parker
Speaker 2: Films in the late nineties. Part of you know, though
Speaker 2: the attitude era of videos that were flooding Fye and stuff.
Speaker 2: A lot of people saw this for the first time.
Speaker 2: It gave you this, this inkling, this this scintillating hint
Speaker 2: that there was a deep archive of all of this
Speaker 2: Gulf Coast television that no one knew how to find.
Speaker 3: No, it's nowhere.
Speaker 2: Run Fuller doesn't have stuff from what Hulk was there
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy nine because.
Speaker 3: Everyone because you know, I mean, this is the travesty.
Speaker 3: That is travesty. Yes, that is professional wrestling probably you
Speaker 3: know pre uh, I don't know. I don't know when
Speaker 3: it really became a thing where people are like, you know,
Speaker 3: we get an archive of our shit. I mean, I
Speaker 3: know WWE was doing it forever, so I don't count them,
Speaker 3: but I mean in terms of general, like we need
Speaker 3: to archive our shit. I don't know when that started.
Speaker 3: But this is definitely not then. And we've heard it
Speaker 3: so many times that they just reused tapes. They wouldn't
Speaker 3: fucking record over their shit. They would not there, there
Speaker 3: was no there was no reason in their mind to
Speaker 3: archive this stuff. And it's it's a fucking travesty because
Speaker 3: you know, we need it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's such a hand to mouth business back then,
Speaker 2: such a week to week Dog eat Dog, Survival of
Speaker 2: the Fittest, you know, yep, it's like it's a run.
Speaker 2: First thing we played you on the Complete Hull Code
Speaker 2: in the very first episode was him in confidence talking
Speaker 2: to those marketing guys about life is a series of runs.
Speaker 2: So if you think of your life as just a
Speaker 2: series of runs, and as soon as something hits, you're
Speaker 2: starting to think about how to exit, right with you
Speaker 2: with your fortune intact, right, that's the way your mind
Speaker 2: has been programmed to work, and how you've been programmed
Speaker 2: to think about earning money. Last thing you're going to
Speaker 2: think about is preserving the things you're doing, because it's
Speaker 2: on to the next hustle, it's onto the next territory,
Speaker 2: it's onto the next gimmick or whatever it might take
Speaker 2: to keep the money flowing. And yeah, it is true.
Speaker 2: The last thing you think about it is like, oh man,
Speaker 2: we really need to savor this. Fortunately for us. Ron
Speaker 2: Fuller is part of his studcast has detailed notes that
Speaker 2: he's able to refer to how all of the television
Speaker 2: played out leading through all of Terry Boulay's run, and
Speaker 2: he has after going back even further and he reads it,
Speaker 2: he reads it off in kind of a week two
Speaker 2: week fashion. It's it's a really it's kind of like
Speaker 2: the highest and best example of what to do with
Speaker 2: an old veteran wrestler who who's interested in doing a
Speaker 2: podcast like this is what you owe wrestling history is
Speaker 2: to just march through systematically and to give no fucks
Speaker 2: about anything but making sure it's all said and done.
Speaker 2: And we're the beneficiaries of that here in the complete
Speaker 2: Hull Cogan Because like I said, if Hulk died five
Speaker 2: years ago, wouldn't be able to do this part of
Speaker 2: his life like this, We wouldn't be able to do
Speaker 2: this incredibly seminal part of his wrestling career in wrestling
Speaker 2: development like this.
Speaker 3: But it's all there. I mean, we probably mightn't even
Speaker 3: is it safe to say that we mightn't even know
Speaker 3: that seventy nine is the is like the year we.
Speaker 2: Would know he had the matches he had because you
Speaker 2: know in his but we would we know all the
Speaker 2: stuff that you told, like in terms of rights discovering
Speaker 2: the whole Cogan attribute to the stuff like that. No,
Speaker 2: I don't think we'd appreciate how he got over. Not
Speaker 2: we'd appreciate that he got over because of who he
Speaker 2: was wrestling. And there are prominence in the territory and
Speaker 2: in his match record and match listings for this territory
Speaker 2: have been out there, even though as we'll get to
Speaker 2: they don't exactly match up with the very detailed notes
Speaker 2: that Ron Fuller has about dates and times and places,
Speaker 2: which you know.
Speaker 3: Is I never do.
Speaker 2: Now that's a huge it's a huge issue with any
Speaker 2: kind of database of wrestling results. Is you know, if
Speaker 2: you're lucky enough that a newspaper in the area used
Speaker 2: to make it their business to cover the matches and
Speaker 2: the results every Tuesday or whatever the day was after
Speaker 2: the matches and the sports pages, then you've struck gold.
Speaker 2: You have kind of contemporaneous accounts of what the match
Speaker 2: results were. But when you don't have that, which is
Speaker 2: pretty much the case here. If there was a paper
Speaker 2: regularly covering what was happening in Gulf Coast and publishing
Speaker 2: the day after the matches, those newspapers aren't archived in
Speaker 2: the way so many other newspapers have been archived these days.
Speaker 2: So you kind of have to piece it together by
Speaker 2: little snippets that make it in sort of like feature
Speaker 2: style advertising style things as opposed to match results reporting,
Speaker 2: and so the dates and times in the towns even
Speaker 2: get a little confused and backward. We saw this when
Speaker 2: we went through his short lived CWF run in Florida.
Speaker 2: I mean, Brian Blair is supposed to be on the
Speaker 2: card that Hull Cogan, a super Destroyer, had his first
Speaker 2: match against Aunt Serrano. He not only does he not
Speaker 2: remember Hulkogan wrestling before he wrestled him, which is supposed
Speaker 2: to be his third match, the second match was also
Speaker 2: supposed to be against Brian Blair, who, Brian Blair himself
Speaker 2: doesn't remember that fucking match exactly. Brian Blair was on
Speaker 2: the card where Hogan wrestled Serrano, and what the newspapers
Speaker 2: reported was as a late replacement as we talked about
Speaker 2: for Wolfman Smith, and Brian Blair doesn't remember that either,
Speaker 2: and he was behind the curtain. So it's unbelievable. But
Speaker 2: there are published accounts out there that lead to these
Speaker 2: wrestling databases putting things in there, logging things in these results,
Speaker 2: and it's like you come around, it's like, no, it's
Speaker 2: actually it was a month later, it was two months later,
Speaker 2: the other guy won, or this wasn't there or wasn't
Speaker 2: happening in this way. And even here Ron Fuller go
Speaker 2: through it chronologically, there's a couple of things that he
Speaker 2: kind of either breezes over or doesn't realize, such as
Speaker 2: Hull Cogan going to work in Memphis during the time
Speaker 2: he was with Gulf Coast. Ron Fuller makes it sound
Speaker 2: like Holkovin doesn't go anywhere near Memphis until he gives
Speaker 2: us notice to Gulf Coast, but in fact, a closest
Speaker 2: examination and we do have contemporaneous newspaper accounts to support
Speaker 2: this out of Memphis, which was much more robust and
Speaker 2: covering what was happening, of course, and one of the
Speaker 2: most prominent wrestling territories rating for rating per capita in
Speaker 2: the country. Yes, indeed, Terry Boley I was absolutely in
Speaker 2: the Mid South Coliseum, absolutely wrestling in Memphis when he
Speaker 2: was still in the midst of his Gulf Coast run
Speaker 2: and going back and forth. For reasons that will make
Speaker 2: a lot of sense is Ron Fuller gets into how
Speaker 2: his brother Robert Fuller Occuronel Robert Parker, it's actually booking
Speaker 2: for Jerry Jarrett and Jerry Lawler in Memphis during what
Speaker 2: this time period in seventy nine. Oh yeah, it's the
Speaker 2: Welch family man their lineage, in their history. This business
Speaker 2: goes back further than any other tribe that really has
Speaker 2: ever existed. I mean, you go all the way back
Speaker 2: to like Herb Welch, and we we're talking like the twenties,
Speaker 2: the tens. This family has been involved not only as
Speaker 2: active wrestlers, but as territorial owners and bookers and executives
Speaker 2: in the wrestling business. It's just like you can't get
Speaker 2: to like until you get to like nineteen ninety. The
Speaker 2: Fullers are involved somewhere running things, orchestrating things, pulling strings
Speaker 2: at some wrestling office, and making moves in that regard.
Speaker 2: So that's gonna be fun too as an orientation to
Speaker 2: what the Fullers contributed because they're an underappreciated family I
Speaker 2: think in the business in terms of when you talk
Speaker 2: about the giants of territorial promoting, because the areas they
Speaker 2: ended up lording over ended up being relatively small compared
Speaker 2: to some of the major territories that resonated and really
Speaker 2: went to battle and went to war with Vince McMahon.
Speaker 2: So I'm excited to talk about all that and much more.
Speaker 2: We got to go back to Cocoa Beach, though, because
Speaker 2: we've got to rev that engine and say by to
Speaker 2: White East for the last time, don't we?
Speaker 3: I mean I think we do. I mean, you can't
Speaker 3: not go back to Cocoa Beach.
Speaker 2: Back in Cocoa Beach, brutus, beefcake, bouncing, weightlifting, and he decides,
Speaker 2: you know what, I want to wrestle?
Speaker 3: Oh boy, you know here I.
Speaker 2: Am body slamming patrons and pumping iron. It why d's
Speaker 2: makes me want to try this thing that my book
Speaker 2: mind Buddy Terry once tried and here's how he outlined
Speaker 2: it in his book. During our downtime, I asked Terry
Speaker 2: if he could show me how to do some wrestling moves.
Speaker 2: He had no problem doing so because he was grateful
Speaker 2: for the hard work I'd been putting in. He was
Speaker 2: talking about, of course, at Anchor Club.
Speaker 3: Wait, so because Hogan is grateful for his hard work,
Speaker 3: He's going to show him wrestling holds.
Speaker 2: He's grateful for the hard work that ed Leslie's put
Speaker 2: in at Anchor Club.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who cares he does? Apparently it's a weird that's
Speaker 3: a weird repayment. Honestly, it's because it's very terrible. It's
Speaker 3: not money. Yeah, because because because because right, because like
Speaker 3: what is he he doesn't own Anchor Club?
Speaker 1: I know it does.
Speaker 3: It was Whitey who was like, I want to get
Speaker 3: this thing going can you help me? Can you?
Speaker 2: And Hogan reached out to his network because he knew
Speaker 2: we couldn't do what White he needed him to do alone.
Speaker 2: So it's almost like he was hiring almost like assistant
Speaker 2: managers in a way. It's just weird because he kind
Speaker 2: of knew what it would take to run the whole.
Speaker 3: It's still weird. That's still fucking weird. I had already
Speaker 3: taken judo beefcake rights. I knew how to do some
Speaker 3: judo throws and basic moves, which is just hilarious to
Speaker 3: think about. We set up some mats in the back
Speaker 3: of the gym and we were ready to go.
Speaker 2: I just love this, Oh Jesus Christ. In between, in between,
Speaker 2: you know, bar hopping and brother brewed, why don't you
Speaker 2: get some? Definitely call them bruteye, even though why don't
Speaker 2: you get some?
Speaker 3: Only have the masks, brother kind of laying them out
Speaker 3: and do this kind of take this thing in brother,
Speaker 3: see what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2: Dude, what do you think it might have sounded like
Speaker 2: in the Cocoa Beach heat as Terry Buley showed U
Speaker 2: at Leslie how to wrestle.
Speaker 3: You mean, miss sounds, he would have made yeah right,
Speaker 3: all right, brother, the first going to do dude, We're
Speaker 3: do we do sod heeadlo okay, all right, so I
Speaker 3: want to do Why don't you get give me your
Speaker 3: head like spread shoulder with the part all right, exactly, dude.
Speaker 3: And then I'm gonna take my arm, all right, take
Speaker 3: a quick on my arm, gonna put aundre. You got that, brother? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: It sounds like cocoa beach to me. I can.
Speaker 2: I can smell the the cocoa butter tanning oil.
Speaker 3: I can.
Speaker 2: We set up some mats at the back of the
Speaker 2: gym and we were ready to go. First, I learned
Speaker 2: the basics locking up, hitting the ropes. How do you
Speaker 2: learn hitting the ropes?
Speaker 3: It wasn't a way. How do you hit the rope?
Speaker 2: From Matt taking a slam? Then I made him show
Speaker 2: me how to throw an arm dragon, grab a hold.
Speaker 2: I had him show me how to do a headlock.
Speaker 2: I would watch things on TV and then ask for lessons.
Speaker 2: How do you grab a hole? I'm not sure how
Speaker 2: to do that one either. Yeah, what's the difference in
Speaker 2: grabbing a hold and doing a hold or putting on
Speaker 2: a hold? That was all I needed. So a new
Speaker 2: plant emerged. I took about a full year to train
Speaker 2: hard and get bigger than ever. I was excited about
Speaker 2: networking and tapping some contacts to eventually try to make
Speaker 2: my debut in the squared circle. I also pushed Terry
Speaker 2: to do the same. Right at my side, my newfound
Speaker 2: career path got me excited, and I think in my
Speaker 2: excitement at the idea also started to restore Terry's faith
Speaker 2: in wrestling to pursue his dream once again. So they're
Speaker 2: there once again success as many offers, Yeah you know,
Speaker 2: ed Leslie basis saying it's because of me. The whole
Speaker 2: coven got back into wrestling. It was a good thing,
Speaker 2: of course. Oh yeah, it was a good thing. We
Speaker 2: had a wrestling as a backup plan. As the saying goes,
Speaker 2: all good things come to an end. One day, Whitey
Speaker 2: Bridges got married. You see, Whitey was about twice our age.
Speaker 2: When he tied the knot, everything changed. His priorities went
Speaker 2: in a whole other different direction, even though he was
Speaker 2: a weightlifter too. The moment he said I do, his
Speaker 2: wife was saying you don't. We were no longer his
Speaker 2: main priority. Wow, that's right, And we played second fiddle
Speaker 2: to his bride. She started pressuring him not to hang
Speaker 2: out with us. The writing was on the wall. The
Speaker 2: gym wasn't making any money and it was the first
Speaker 2: to go. After that, The Anchor Club was next. Actually,
Speaker 2: the Acre Club stayed open, as we chronicled in great
Speaker 2: detail last time, exactly just saw different managers. As another
Speaker 2: saying goes, when one door closes, another opens in front
Speaker 2: of you. As we were packing our bags to head
Speaker 2: back over to timp I told Terry he should entertain
Speaker 2: the possibility of wrestling again. He admitted that he was
Speaker 2: getting the itch again and made some phone calls. Eventually
Speaker 2: we got a call back from Harley Race. Okay, what
Speaker 2: now begins the stories of like the twelve people that
Speaker 2: these guys reached out to, it was one of twelve
Speaker 2: people they reached out to to get back into the
Speaker 2: wrestling business after the Cocoa Beach stint. You take your
Speaker 2: choices to which one you believe. Here here's here's Harley
Speaker 2: Race being suggested first, who talked about having us go
Speaker 2: to Kansas City. Now, remember Holke Hats said that part
Speaker 2: of the reason he skipped out on Florida Wrestling altogether
Speaker 2: is because when he went to the office with complaints
Speaker 2: about his pay and stuff, they said, we'll send you
Speaker 2: to Kansas City get some work there. And he was like,
Speaker 2: that's that's that's like a fuck you because as far
Speaker 2: as Hull Cogan was concerned, Tampa boy, that was Hickstown.
Speaker 2: He doesn't he basically doesn't want to leave me. The
Speaker 2: Florida isn't but isn't. Isn't Kansas City like a top territory, No, oh,
Speaker 2: no more Saint Louis. Kansas City was sort of like
Speaker 2: the backwater to the Saint Louis wrestling reperation. It wasn't
Speaker 2: a bad place to learn. Marty Jeanetty got started there,
Speaker 2: Scott Hall learned there, Shawn Michaels had some of his
Speaker 2: earliest experiences. That's Harley Races owned it. Yeah, but it
Speaker 2: wasn't a place. It wasn't really well paying territory. It
Speaker 2: wasn't a glamorous place to go and live and traveling.
Speaker 2: It just wasn't a territory that anybody would pick to
Speaker 2: work in the business at that time. It just wasn't
Speaker 2: Bulldog Bob Brown was always the top guy over there
Speaker 2: or somebody like that. And what's his name and to
Speaker 2: be a president. Bob Geigel was in and around that area. Eventually,
Speaker 2: we got a call back from Harley Race, who talked
Speaker 2: about having us go to Kansas City. Harley enjoyed smashing
Speaker 2: beer cans on Terry's head in a bar when he
Speaker 2: was working for Ready in Florida. Harley liked the idea
Speaker 2: of doing so again. So what what it was? So
Speaker 2: what do you think should we go? Terry asked, absolutely, brother,
Speaker 2: I said to.
Speaker 3: That, well, wongle, Harley Race, dude, publish it's fund to
Speaker 3: kosher brothers. Sounds like you want I don't someone wants
Speaker 3: to hurt dude. I'm wrong, brother, I don't know about this.
Speaker 3: This Harley Race guy. You talked Harley, Oh yeah, I
Speaker 3: talked to him.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, but yeah, I was looking. I was calling
Speaker 3: around see if anyone wanted to book it.
Speaker 2: What do you say about her? What do you I
Speaker 2: just said, we want to get to the business. We're
Speaker 2: excited and we're looking for a place to learn. And
Speaker 2: he said, we.
Speaker 3: Want to say we He said, you told we want
Speaker 3: to get in the business. Brother. Yeah, man, we've been
Speaker 3: talking about it. We've been working out You're you're talking
Speaker 3: for me. Now, dude, well he could he called me back?
Speaker 3: I mean he had your number two? But why is
Speaker 3: he calling you? Because I been I was calling around.
Speaker 3: I told you that already. Why didn't call Why didn't
Speaker 3: you call it round? I mean, if you if you
Speaker 3: called around here? Actually, this problem, this is well, I'm
Speaker 3: kind of like getting that. Dude, how do you know
Speaker 3: I didn't? And how does he know I didn't call him?
Speaker 3: Best question I have, brother, How does Holly Race know
Speaker 3: if I did or did not call it? I'm remembering
Speaker 3: something now. He told me that actually he's been calling
Speaker 3: Ruth because that's the only number he had, and I
Speaker 3: guess you never get the message ring ring, Hello, this
Speaker 3: is Harley Raised. Damn nice Harley, use some ribs with
Speaker 3: that meat loaf. I'm looking for a hul Cogan. Who
Speaker 3: a what a hulk? What? Who the fuck is this?
Speaker 3: My dog? It is Harley Race, Damon. I wanted to
Speaker 3: get on the Diamn line with with that son of
Speaker 3: a bitch hulk Hogan. There's no Hogan in this house.
Speaker 3: We're proud Italians. Well, yeah, what's your maiden name?
Speaker 2: He knows he calls Ruth OLA's house looking for Hulk Hogan,
Speaker 2: yet he knows her maiden name is Moody.
Speaker 3: I know who you are. I know exactly who you are.
Speaker 3: Don't fuck around with me.
Speaker 2: Look, I'm gonna encourage you to explore Harley as much
Speaker 2: as possible, because if you don't think Harley Race is
Speaker 2: an absolutely central character to Hulk Hogan's origin story, that
Speaker 2: you've got another thing coming pal. So yes, what he
Speaker 2: said to Ruth Blea on the phone in nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: nine and seventy eight is relevant. It is exactly how
Speaker 2: we're portraying it. Oh God, keep Pete in the background. Honey,
Speaker 2: who is that.
Speaker 3: Some asshole Okay named Harlan's Okay, what do you call me?
Speaker 3: You're saying that damn thing? What's wrong with you? Betch
Speaker 3: Harlan's david Why are you calling some guy named Harlan
Speaker 3: Davidson's on the follow me a bitch? He just called
Speaker 3: me a bitch. What are you gonna do now? Oh,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep it. I think I'm gonna keep eating
Speaker 3: this ice cream, honey, even though it was a cockroach,
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna keep eating it. You fuck hit all right?
Speaker 3: I want to know where Hogan is now and you're
Speaker 3: gonna tell me or I'm gonna come down there and
Speaker 3: I'm gonna smack it out of you. I want to
Speaker 3: know where Hogan is.
Speaker 2: Now, that's a way to welcome someone to come work
Speaker 2: for your territory.
Speaker 3: I'm not his I don't keep his messages. Terry, you're
Speaker 3: calling the wrong house anyway. But if you want to
Speaker 3: talk to this Hall Hogan, you call him. Don't call
Speaker 3: my house, are you all right? Don't call my house?
Speaker 2: Someone said in Patreon. They put it well, they said,
Speaker 2: I'm hearing a little bit of lap.
Speaker 3: Sit and rude. Well, I'm gonna fuck you up raw Orlands,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna fuck you up. I'm gonna b up you
Speaker 3: to hell? All right, damn it. I was looking for
Speaker 3: the last time I was looking for Paul Hogan. This
Speaker 3: is Australia, right, I'm looking for Paul Paul Hogan talking
Speaker 3: about Crocodile Dundee. He heard of them, Erry ripped off
Speaker 3: the wrong movie star. He should have on Paul Hogan.
Speaker 3: Crocodiles could be out out back Hogan, out back Hogan
Speaker 3: crocodile Bill Gundee if they wanted to invite another lawsuit.
Speaker 3: Oh god, so surprised they didn't.
Speaker 2: Eventually we had a call back from Harley Race, who
Speaker 2: talked to us about us having to go to Kansas City.
Speaker 2: Harley enjoyed smashing beer. Okay, yep, so what anything should
Speaker 2: we go? Absolutely? I said, this is when we came
Speaker 2: up with the best idea in the world. At Leslie Wright's,
Speaker 2: we would tell everyone that we actually were brothers.
Speaker 3: This is the best idea ever. Yeah, what the what
Speaker 3: the fuck?
Speaker 2: We've been calling each other brother every ten seconds for
Speaker 2: three years straight.
Speaker 3: Mo things we got to hope, He'd say. We would
Speaker 3: call each other hull Cogan. We would call each other lovers.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It's good though, Like, who's the last person you call brother?
Speaker 2: Your actual brother?
Speaker 6: So true?
Speaker 3: Oh good. Apparently this idea for Ed and Terry Boulder
Speaker 3: to be brothers was hatched before they ever hit the
Speaker 3: road as wrestlers. It was hatched in Cocoa Beach figuring
Speaker 3: out what their next step was. We would tell everyone
Speaker 3: at Leslie Wright's that we actually were brothers. We figured
Speaker 3: if we had each other's backs, maybe we would be
Speaker 3: taken seriously. No getting pissed on, nobody breaking your leg.
Speaker 3: If someone wanted to mess with one of us, they
Speaker 3: would know they would have to deal with the other brother.
Speaker 3: It made perfect sense. Before we accepted Hartley's offer, we
Speaker 3: made yet another called the Jerry Jarrett in Memphis to
Speaker 3: see if we could play the two promotions for some
Speaker 3: better money. Yeah, I mean, I mean this just sounds
Speaker 3: like like I guess, if there's one thing that I've
Speaker 3: ever learned about the wrestling business and our nearly twelve
Speaker 3: years of doing this, it's that I don't know, you
Speaker 3: can't outsmart the guy in charge. Rarely can you outsmart
Speaker 3: the guy in charge.
Speaker 2: Right, you think you did, and the guy actually in
Speaker 2: the back of his mind was willing to go even
Speaker 2: higher than what he.
Speaker 3: Offered you, right. And it also like I just can't
Speaker 3: I can't see these guys like who cares? These guys
Speaker 3: are so are so like bottom of the barrel bullshit
Speaker 3: that who's gonna have who's gonna have a bidding war
Speaker 3: for you guys when you're nobody's you.
Speaker 2: Know, And that at that time of the business, it
Speaker 2: did work a lot off Polaroids were like, because it
Speaker 2: was so difficult to transport film footage before VCRs, there
Speaker 2: were a lot of people that would get hired just
Speaker 2: based on eight x tens of how they looked.
Speaker 3: Listen, I'm not denying that at all. I'm not denying
Speaker 3: getting hired because that I'm talking about. How can you
Speaker 3: play two promotions off against each other when you don't
Speaker 3: master pictures look too tasty? I guess I just don't
Speaker 3: buy it.
Speaker 2: That's all me supposing that's the case. It's not stated
Speaker 2: is such, But yeah, it's it's a good question. I mean,
Speaker 2: do we lean a little bit into Gerald Briscoe's kind
Speaker 2: of thing of how actually people down in Florida did
Speaker 2: believe that there was a star in this guy and
Speaker 2: the initiation rituals were misinterpreted as him not being welcome
Speaker 2: in the business, and word got around there's this terry guy.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure Jerry Jarrett calls around to Eddie Graham
Speaker 2: and others and say, you know, this guy's bringing us up.
Speaker 2: Do you know anything about this guy the Texas and
Speaker 2: potential there you might want to use him.
Speaker 3: I don't know. No, no, no, I don't buy it.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think I think they're all
Speaker 3: making bullshit. Well, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna put this that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I wouldn't doubt. I wouldn't doubt at one
Speaker 3: point they probably have this conversation like I wouldn't doubt.
Speaker 3: I would believe that that Brutus is saying this maybe
Speaker 3: actually happened, But I just don't think it happened here
Speaker 3: where he's saying it happened.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of that chronology screw ups
Speaker 2: where it's like, no, you're actually I remember when Briscoe
Speaker 2: was talking to our friend Brad Baluccian about getting Terry
Speaker 2: and Eddie booked in New York because they didn't know
Speaker 2: what to do, and he's talking as if it happened
Speaker 2: when Terry quit CWF the first time in seventy seven.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, he actually no. The first of all,
Speaker 2: Eddie Boulder was not in the equation at all when
Speaker 2: he when he first worked for you in Tampa and
Speaker 2: left right. And second of all, he skipped down on you.
Speaker 2: You didn't you didn't facilitate anything. He left the wrestling business,
Speaker 2: he didn't go to New York. But he's like remembering
Speaker 2: that as how hulks first run in Florida ended, and
Speaker 2: it's you know, without appreciating the intermediate periods and we
Speaker 2: will say, I'm gonna say, but we're gonna put Memphis
Speaker 2: kinder to the side here because even though and we'll
Speaker 2: we'll touch on it as we go, they definitely bleed
Speaker 2: together the Alabama and Memphis runs for Terry and Eddie,
Speaker 2: we do want to give them separate and distinct treatments
Speaker 2: because there's a there's a whole rich Smorgus board of
Speaker 2: materials to go through from those two, and to jump
Speaker 2: back and forth might be needlessly confusing. Considering, well, there
Speaker 2: is overlap, it is it is relatively little, so we'll
Speaker 2: get more from you know how Jerry Jarrett saw the
Speaker 2: situation in the Memphis side of things as we progress
Speaker 2: here on the complete Hull Kogan but this being the
Speaker 2: alabam episode, let's continue at pace. The only condition Jerry
Speaker 2: was had Beefcake Rites was that he wanted us to
Speaker 2: go polish the gimmick up some with some smaller promotions
Speaker 2: before bringing us into Memphis.
Speaker 3: We agreed.
Speaker 2: So there's ed Leslie saying that Jerry agreed to take
Speaker 2: them on but wanted them to work the brother gimmick
Speaker 2: somewhere else before coming to Memphis. Now, Ron Fuller knew
Speaker 2: nothing about this I'm sure, oh, because he wouldn't have
Speaker 2: taken kindly to be used as a springboard. But his
Speaker 2: brother was booking Memphis, so it was hardly an arm's
Speaker 2: length relationship between the Memphis and Gulf Coast offices back then.
Speaker 2: And there was a lot of exchanging of talent because,
Speaker 2: as we'll get to, Memphis was in kind of a
Speaker 2: bad way as a territory in early seventy nine and
Speaker 2: late seventy eight, and Ron Fuller sent quite a bit
Speaker 2: of bankable stars that were drying in his territory to
Speaker 2: help his brother out in Memphis, or at least that's
Speaker 2: how Ron tells it. And Ron's always the victim. He's
Speaker 2: never you know what I mean, He's never wronged anybody.
Speaker 2: Yet there's a lot of people belu say Ron wronged them,
Speaker 2: you know how it goes.
Speaker 3: It's that I totally believe. So Harley's one.
Speaker 2: How about Billy Graham being the next port of call
Speaker 2: for these guys, that's another version of the story. And
Speaker 2: here we're going to revisit a little bit of what
Speaker 2: we've conveyed earlier in the complete holl Kogan about superstar
Speaker 2: Billy Graham coming into contact with Terry Boleya when he
Speaker 2: was playing the clubs the Ruckus days, you know, definitely
Speaker 2: standing out as a big dude, definitely bending the ear
Speaker 2: of Bob Orton in the parking lot, or Bob Roup
Speaker 2: there in the club, or Jerry Briscoe backstage, or Graham
Speaker 2: or Dusty when they would come through and listen to
Speaker 2: the music and to hear Terry Bullya tell it was
Speaker 2: actually a superstar Graham that he rang up first. Superstar
Speaker 2: Graham would come into the same gym that Terry Boleya
Speaker 2: and later Ad Leslie would work out in in Tampa
Speaker 2: before they were anywhere close to becoming pro wrestlers in
Speaker 2: their own right. So he was already kind of allotted
Speaker 2: figure in someone that they knew at least there were
Speaker 2: one degree closer to than the average person, or at
Speaker 2: least Terry Bullay was. So this is from Billy Graham's
Speaker 2: WWE book. There was a fan at the for Homer
Speaker 2: Es sirly On Murray that night who I'd noticed before
Speaker 2: Terry Blea was a tall, skinny blonde guy who dressed
Speaker 2: in black leather and boots like a rocker from the ring.
Speaker 2: I'd see his big head hovering above the rest of
Speaker 2: the crowd about ten rows back.
Speaker 3: What are you picturing when he says that, you know,
Speaker 3: I misspicturing that fucking you know, you know, you got
Speaker 3: you got a sea of normal people, and then you
Speaker 3: got like Hogan's head, all right, his big, oh my god,
Speaker 3: big DUFs head light head. I mean, like, you know,
Speaker 3: like imagine like his chin is at the top of
Speaker 3: everybody else's head. So you got this literal head stick
Speaker 3: sticking out of his sand. Basically, picture that fucking smile
Speaker 3: on his face.
Speaker 2: The high school yearbook smile. Exactly what a nerd.
Speaker 3: He's such a fucking nerd. I think that's that's the
Speaker 3: biggest thing is Hogan is a big, big ass fucking
Speaker 3: rocks up his nose. Oh and and like not only listen, listen.
Speaker 3: I'm all about being as transparent as you can in
Speaker 3: your books, and I think that's important. But you know what, man,
Speaker 3: there's a line. There's a line, and nobody needs to
Speaker 3: hear Hulk Hogan fucking shoving Rochester. I think Gary told
Speaker 3: us best. I think he told us best because he
Speaker 3: knows Hulk from inception. He knows Hulk telling tall tales
Speaker 3: before he was on a television camera and could benefit
Speaker 3: professionally from telling tall tales. It's about attention. It doesn't
Speaker 3: care if it's flattering or unflattering, as long as it's
Speaker 3: a story that he can tell about himself that he
Speaker 3: thinks is going to sear him into your memory. He's
Speaker 3: going to tell the story. It doesn't matter for that's
Speaker 3: not going to I mean, I guess that's true, But
Speaker 3: still I still think that that's it's not no, no, no,
Speaker 3: it's a bad one. That's that's where you that's where
Speaker 3: you draw the line for the beneficiary.
Speaker 2: Is just awful complete Hulk that he did go that route,
Speaker 2: especially in a second book where he felt, I think
Speaker 2: kind of an implicit pressure to up the ante from
Speaker 2: his rather fictionalized WWE and how account where apparently, come
Speaker 2: to find out, Vince McMahon was quite frustrated with that
Speaker 2: book because he thought Hulk was going to tell a
Speaker 2: lot more down and dirty stories, because I guess Hulk
Speaker 2: has a lot of like stuff that's never come out about,
Speaker 2: you know, wild sex parties and drugs. And eventually he
Speaker 2: got a lot more sure about that. But I still
Speaker 2: think there's sure things that that Vince really wanted I
Speaker 2: mean you mean he wanted more stories in the book.
Speaker 2: That's what Vince. I understand Vince's expectations for the book
Speaker 2: to be, but it was just a very careful kind
Speaker 2: of you know, there'd be like three page chapters in there,
Speaker 2: just designed to scratch some itch that Hulk had about
Speaker 2: some thing someone said about him twenty five years ago.
Speaker 2: It's like, why was that in there? You know, it's
Speaker 2: kind of a strange compendium. But eventually, damnit, Terry, I
Speaker 2: want the sex. Where's the sex?
Speaker 3: I want it? Tell the stories. I need my stories
Speaker 3: told through your mouth.
Speaker 2: Remember in that script that linked linked leaked of the
Speaker 2: Pandemonium Inc. Biopic treatment for him that we read out
Speaker 2: one time on the podcast, they had Linda saying that
Speaker 2: Hulk's the kind of guy that makes women want to
Speaker 2: do butt sex.
Speaker 3: Come on, everyone knows you drive the ladies to anal
Speaker 3: all right, we all want to get those ladies in
Speaker 3: the ass boss. No, not you, damn, I mean the
Speaker 3: other ladies. How funny is that? Like the whole time
Speaker 3: when Hogan's running high in the eighties, he doesn't see
Speaker 3: a cartoon character. He sees someone that the women want.
Speaker 3: And look, I'm not saying there were no women that
Speaker 3: didn't want Hulk Hogan. But really, like, I can't think
Speaker 3: of a top baby face in wrestling history who had
Speaker 3: less of an appeal to women than him. Oh I know,
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, because again he just he looks
Speaker 3: like a goof Hulk Cogan on his best day.
Speaker 2: Okay, not carry von Harrison, not Brett Hart. He's not
Speaker 2: Sehn Michaels.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, the only thing the only thing about
Speaker 3: him that he that that is that is I would
Speaker 3: imagine on a physical level that is appealing is the
Speaker 3: fact that he's that he's fucking bulky. You feel like
Speaker 3: you're playing enough super human Yeah when you right, but
Speaker 3: like you know, that's it. That's it. Like, you know,
Speaker 3: why do you want the fucking bald guy with the
Speaker 3: with the with the handlebar mustache. You're like, you don't
Speaker 3: want to fucking you don't want him ride me like
Speaker 3: a fucking you know, like that's like the last thing
Speaker 3: you want. I mean, unless you maybe you think he's
Speaker 3: got like a you know, when you're talking about twenty
Speaker 3: four inch pith time you're talking about twenty four inch cock.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's what you're thinking about, but
Speaker 3: like not, he's not. Again, remember when we when we
Speaker 3: watched No Holds Bar like the idea of him being
Speaker 3: as is are they thinking it's it's a it's atrocious,
Speaker 3: it's atrocious. He's not somebody who you like. Sex doesn't
Speaker 3: even cross my mind when I think about hol Coast
Speaker 3: is not one. It was never.
Speaker 2: And the thing the reason I say that is because
Speaker 2: I've seen so many babyfaces go through that curtain and
Speaker 2: like they're it's unmistakable that they've got huge female support.
Speaker 2: You can hear him screaming, you can see them reaching
Speaker 2: rapidly over the guardrails trying to get to them. You
Speaker 2: see footage of them in public at autograph sessions or
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be, being mobbed by women and
Speaker 2: teenage girls. I never ever, ever saw that with Hull
Speaker 2: Coogan ever. No, I've watched everything he's ever done.
Speaker 3: Basically, Yeah, he's always got kids, you know, it's always
Speaker 3: kids that are around him, like not women.
Speaker 2: So that's always fascinating when that kind of enters the equation.
Speaker 2: When everyone else was screaming Billy Graham rights, he sat there, transfixed,
Speaker 2: never darting his eyes, dissecting my every move and facial gesture.
Speaker 3: His gaze was so I think, I think, I think
Speaker 3: he's just I also think that maybe that Hogan's got
Speaker 3: some ADHD and then he's just fucking off in his
Speaker 3: own world. So yeah, like he's staring not because he's interested, actually,
Speaker 3: but he's steering because he's just like he's got a
Speaker 3: million things that are going through his head at the
Speaker 3: same time, right, and so he's he's concentration.
Speaker 2: Is actually a paralysis of all the things bouncing around
Speaker 2: his head at anything. So many times, so many times
Speaker 2: I have been caught staring at somebody, but I'm not
Speaker 2: actually like I'm staring because you're thinking your mind to
Speaker 2: somewhere else. You don't even realize. My mind is completely gone.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about a million different things, and it just
Speaker 2: happens to me that my eyes are at this person,
Speaker 2: and it's like, that's it. Like, honestly, if it you know,
Speaker 2: either I turned that direction or you walked into my
Speaker 2: vision my viewpoint there, and that was it. Like I
Speaker 2: so many times it's happened where I'm like, oh no, sorry,
Speaker 2: I wasn't even I didn't even know you were there.
Speaker 2: You've been staring right at you, I was like miles away, well,
Speaker 2: thinking of a different thing. Well, then we have established
Speaker 2: talking childhood friends and stuff here on the complete is
Speaker 2: said his mind was always all over the place, and
Speaker 2: he was always thinking about, you know, getting taken advantage of.
Speaker 2: He's always triple guessing things and always concocting stories, even
Speaker 2: before he was in the wrestling business. So you might
Speaker 2: be onto something there. His gaze Billy Graham Wrights was
Speaker 2: so piercing that occasionally I found myself looking back at him.
Speaker 2: One night at the Imperial Room, a nightclub where the
Speaker 2: boys hung out in Tampa, Terry approached me. I was
Speaker 2: seated and he was standing towering over me. Like Jesse
Speaker 2: and Toro, and Terry wanted to become a wrestler, but
Speaker 2: he felt like the local promoter in this case that
Speaker 2: a Graham was shutting him out. Terry was frustrated, but
Speaker 2: not discouraged. We've read this before, by the way, but
Speaker 2: it'll be important. You're going to recognize this line coming
Speaker 2: up here.
Speaker 3: Boss.
Speaker 2: I'm not thinking no for an answer, he vowed. It
Speaker 2: was the first of many encounters. Another time, Terry confessed
Speaker 2: that he felt too thin for the squirt circle and
Speaker 2: asked Steve Strong in me about the types of steroids.
Speaker 2: We yes, what did you remember?
Speaker 3: What he said?
Speaker 2: When Terry asked them, I don't remember, not on anything.
Speaker 2: We're not on anything. Strong answer, Yes, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: Booking the future icon dead in the eye. Terry acknowledged
Speaker 2: the rib with a nod and a grin. You know,
Speaker 2: where would Terry Bulan, a wrestling fan, have gotten the
Speaker 2: idea the superstar Billy Graham was doing steroids back in
Speaker 2: seventy seven or seventy six, whenever this initial encounter took place.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, Maybe just watch some of his
Speaker 2: promos in New York.
Speaker 8: Right now, let's bring on coming GANI out a man
Speaker 8: who has confidence in himself. He should a great outlet
Speaker 8: in his own right. The pipeon like superstar of Billy Graham,
Speaker 8: and we didn't see the strength. We saw a little
Speaker 8: display of strength in the future in the previous contest.
Speaker 8: But now the one coming up here in the future,
Speaker 8: well we see that awesome power once again. What type
Speaker 8: of style will Superstar Billy Graham resort to?
Speaker 3: Number one?
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take seven Diana balls a day, five.
Speaker 3: Dollas, test throw shots, a week.
Speaker 6: So strong and so powerful.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna bring it back with a superstar.
Speaker 6: Pharaoh Lock the pharo got him right.
Speaker 4: With us till the man cries.
Speaker 3: I give up, Superstar. I shouldn't be here to begin with.
Speaker 3: It was a mistake. The first match was a mistake.
Speaker 3: Your foots on the road. I shouldn't have to build.
Speaker 3: The man will cry like a baby.
Speaker 8: And you firstly we hold the microphones were fought back
Speaker 8: to the crying.
Speaker 3: Right wizard drink.
Speaker 8: Now you may think there's an energy and a power
Speaker 8: shortage in this country, but there's gonna be enough.
Speaker 5: Energy, enough power from a superstar.
Speaker 3: If we can only get that out.
Speaker 8: That would get up to light up the world that
Speaker 8: can't beat it back about an hour. Superstar is back.
Speaker 8: Ladies and gentlemen on the.
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Speaker 3: Apologies for the audio quality. That's all that survives, but
Speaker 3: needless to say, Boss it's too bad. He fucking says
Speaker 3: he's going to take Diana ball and he's gonna stove
Speaker 3: needles in his ass. Yes, And you should see Ernie Roth,
Speaker 3: the Grand Wizard who you heard at the end there.
Speaker 3: You should see him purse his lips together and hold
Speaker 3: in the biggest belly laugh when he realizes, Wow, what
Speaker 3: Billy Graham is saying on that microphone. Now, Vince, who
Speaker 3: is holding the mic is out a frame at the time,
Speaker 3: so you can't see his reaction, but I'm sure right
Speaker 3: at him. You know, he's got those fucking horse teeth
Speaker 3: going out all like crazy. I mean, he's on TV.
Speaker 3: And also, I mean, honestly, I was, I was, I
Speaker 3: you know, you sure that's Billy grahams is not only
Speaker 3: Dusty real, No shit, that's the whole idea. Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: Well, the bear hug is important. You meant you heard
Speaker 2: him mention the superstar bear hug. If there's any doubt
Speaker 2: that Billy Graham influenced Tulkogan, You're going to find that
Speaker 2: Terry Bullay's first real submission hold or finishing hold was
Speaker 2: the bear hug, and that's what got him over as
Speaker 2: this monstrous heel not only in Gulf Coast, but also
Speaker 2: initially in the WWWF in nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 3: So wow.
Speaker 2: Before to getting into that in time, Billy writes Terry
Speaker 2: would convince Hiro Matsuda to take him on as a student.
Speaker 2: A few years later he hit the WWF brag about
Speaker 2: his pythons. He just heard Vince McMahon junr there reference
Speaker 2: the python like Billy Graham's. You can tell where that
Speaker 2: came from.
Speaker 3: Guess well, well, we have a hero of the python
Speaker 3: like Billy Grant defense to put any trains, all the
Speaker 3: life out of it completely, like I mean, it makes
Speaker 3: him seem like a snake. Not that he's got massive arms,
Speaker 3: but he's got fucking We have a Python like individual
Speaker 3: here in the form of Billy Graham, a gentleman of
Speaker 3: a particular nature who think, who thinks he's got strength
Speaker 3: that goes beyond the capabilities of most individualistic individuals. Can't
Speaker 3: wait for taking it away, way, yea, yeah, take it away? Indeed,
Speaker 3: please can't wait to hear from this guy. Now, Python
Speaker 3: like Python like the python like Billy Graham's.
Speaker 8: Right now, let's bring on coming Gandhia out a man
Speaker 8: who asks confidence in himself. He should a great athlete
Speaker 8: in his own right, a Python like superstar.
Speaker 3: Billy Graham's such a fucking idiot.
Speaker 2: He's such an always gives himself in so much trouble
Speaker 2: when he tries to over annunciate and when he tries
Speaker 2: to over complicate what he's trying to say, when he
Speaker 2: tries to dress it up and tries to, oh, be aerodyite.
Speaker 2: He always puts his foot in his mouth. When he
Speaker 2: does that, it completely takes everything away from from Billy Graham,
Speaker 2: like instantly, instant, everything is gone, like you write, honestly,
Speaker 2: it's amazing because if I feel like if that had
Speaker 2: been done, you know, it's fortunate that you've got guys
Speaker 2: again who who who were trained in a certain way
Speaker 2: and built up and you know, not necessarily within the
Speaker 2: the WWE system like people are today, but like you'd
Speaker 2: sit there and that could that could have buried somebody
Speaker 2: in the last oh yeah, Python, like ten years, if
Speaker 2: somebody if somebody took your your your you know again,
Speaker 2: some kind of attribute and talk about your your your
Speaker 2: fucking pythons that are your arms and they call you
Speaker 2: python like today, it would be like, what, well, what
Speaker 2: is he like people would go crazy over that. They
Speaker 2: wouldn't know what the fuck is going on, and he'd
Speaker 2: become complete goof complete joke. A few years later, Graham writs,
Speaker 2: he hit the WWF his Hohle Cochin where he brag
Speaker 2: about his pythons and ask what you're gonna do when
Speaker 2: whole comania runs wild on you? Borrowing from my standard line,
Speaker 2: what you're gonna do when the Superstar comes down on you?
Speaker 2: So you can definitely start to see, uh.
Speaker 3: The he had to change that one, and we didn't
Speaker 3: you have that interview where he said, uh, the Superstar
Speaker 3: is going to go down on you. No, that was
Speaker 3: that was a different episode of Donahue, as far as
Speaker 3: I know, is going to go down on you. But
Speaker 3: we're gonna call now Superstar.
Speaker 2: We're gonna phone him up, uh and figure out what
Speaker 2: this next move is that me and my uh my
Speaker 2: pal here already Boulder can make so boss. This is
Speaker 2: from Hogan's second book, If you please regale the Solar
Speaker 2: System with the story of how Terry gets to networking
Speaker 2: to get a cocoa beach behind him.
Speaker 3: Right here we go over of course that year, you know,
Speaker 3: Bruce a real service about two things working that club,
Speaker 3: working on working that club base I know, work in
Speaker 3: that club and working out in that gym, work in
Speaker 3: that club. That that was me this afternoon at lunch.
Speaker 3: And wouldn't he he'd probably working that club in the
Speaker 3: back at some point. I mean, I got crazy focus
Speaker 3: on building my body. Whether it was some kind of
Speaker 3: of a reaction to the whole wrestling fiasco or not,
Speaker 3: I made up my mind that I was going to
Speaker 3: get as big as I possibly could. I had a
Speaker 3: pretty good starting porn. I was already in fantastic shape.
Speaker 3: But even without with the muscle, the base that I
Speaker 3: build and how fit I was from those Matsuda workouts
Speaker 3: and the god given gift to my natural size, there
Speaker 3: was no way I could achieve that over the top, thick, massive,
Speaker 3: golden god look I was after without help, Brother, Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's fucking go. The help I needed came in two forms.
Speaker 3: Like I said, you got a little more honest as
Speaker 3: time went on. Yeah, I'll say, I like the title
Speaker 3: of the chat. When when Royds were the rage, well
Speaker 3: late nineteen to seventies, steroids were everywhere, all over the place,
Speaker 3: all over the place, just you know, doctor was giving
Speaker 3: him to INFI I'm.
Speaker 2: Pretty sure all over most people in the late seventies,
Speaker 2: like people had nothing to do with steroids, and the
Speaker 2: first thing about where to get them your whole world
Speaker 2: was the fucking weightlifting gym.
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, but like I mean, as we know, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess, I guess the late seventies it
Speaker 3: would have been a bigger thing because after pumping iron
Speaker 3: came out, you know, that was obviously created a whole thing.
Speaker 3: But no doubt, But I don't know about everywhere. And
Speaker 3: I'm just talking about here we go, and I'm much
Speaker 3: talking about the wrestling world. You could walk into almost
Speaker 3: any gym or locker room in this country, like any
Speaker 3: locker room, so like at a high school gym or
Speaker 3: elementary school locker room, elementary lock there we go in
Speaker 3: fine steroids if you had, if you had her eyes open,
Speaker 3: it was a different era. They were legal, they were legal.
Speaker 3: Doctors were pretty much pretty much hand you prescription for
Speaker 3: whatever you wanted, right, I mean, it sounds like you
Speaker 3: can get them over the counter. Legal legal doctors wouldn't
Speaker 3: have to give you a prescription to buy them, right,
Speaker 3: you can get them over the counter. You can just
Speaker 3: go to fucking CV as and you could buy steroids,
Speaker 3: buy a fucking well, you got the juice of riggs ale, brother,
Speaker 3: the orange juice is over there, and the rigs are
Speaker 3: down at the fucking Sportratorium every Tuesday. The rigs are
Speaker 3: down down in the dock, you know, the docks there,
Speaker 3: So if you want to do that, and the American males.
Speaker 3: But as we litigated endlessly on the trial of his
Speaker 3: life and other times we've tackled the steroids subject. Even
Speaker 3: though federally, you know, using steroids was not illegal, and
Speaker 3: certainly possessing them was not illegal up until about eighty
Speaker 3: eight and then through to ninety one. There are plenty
Speaker 3: of states, plenty of state laws existed that criminalized the
Speaker 3: usage of them without a prescription before the federal law
Speaker 3: was so prescriptive about that. He said, part in the party.
Speaker 2: So you know, this idea that like just because every
Speaker 2: time you listen closely, they always say federal law, federal law.
Speaker 2: This idea that like people were carrying this stuff without
Speaker 2: a warry in the world and that there was nothing
Speaker 2: illicit about them in the seventies is total bullshit because.
Speaker 3: Like just fucking you know, just fucking walking down the street,
Speaker 3: taking your ass out and just shoving a needle in
Speaker 3: your ass while you're walking down the street. No problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's always state laws around prescribing these things that
Speaker 2: were violatable way before the federal laws changed.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, uh, doctor, there wouldn't be a federal ban
Speaker 3: on steroid until the end of the following decade. On
Speaker 3: Cuckoo Beach, nineteen seventy eight, I don't even have to
Speaker 3: go looking for them. Instead, steroids found me. They're like
Speaker 3: fucking hot, Like, brother, what do you whoa brother? Who's
Speaker 3: the who's at the door, Dude, it's twelve thirty at night, dude,
Speaker 3: water needle? Steroids in my door? Steroids down like the
Speaker 3: Microsoft word clip guy in the corner like Hi, They're
Speaker 3: like talking to steroids. Hi, I'm steroids. I want your ass.
Speaker 8: Come on.
Speaker 3: Steroids came looking for me, brother? What dude? What do
Speaker 3: you guys? Which one are you?
Speaker 1: Brother?
Speaker 5: You?
Speaker 3: You and or you die? Are you the aquaritine steroid force?
Speaker 1: Brother?
Speaker 3: I'm here, Just stick it in your ass. Brother. My
Speaker 3: brother Madison said, you dude, Alan, dude? You allan?
Speaker 2: That was another uh parallel with loof Rigno is the
Speaker 2: brother that the parents loved more.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, yes, were you Kenny dude? Do you know
Speaker 3: Kenny brother? That was a that was an ambiguous response.
Speaker 3: Sounds like they do know Kenny, but they didn't know
Speaker 3: Terry knew they knew Kenny, so they just walked, Oh
Speaker 3: my god, It's like we were saying Jesus Christ, Kenny.
Speaker 3: I honestly had not gotten Sture's Laevantine Hunger Force, French
Speaker 3: fries and the animated soda cup walking up to his apartment.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna start off, I'm gonna go back a little
Speaker 3: bit and say in cougoa beach nine whos seventy eight?
Speaker 3: I don't even have to go looking for them. Instead,
Speaker 3: steroids found me. They just walked him through, right in
Speaker 3: through the front door of Whitey and Terry's Olympic fuck
Speaker 3: and read that far ahead. A couple of local weightlifters
Speaker 3: came through the check out the facility, and before I
Speaker 3: knew it, they were taking like they were talking like
Speaker 3: traveling salesm and go, hey man, why don't you take
Speaker 3: the Hannah ball. You won't believe the results. Just try
Speaker 3: it and see and if you really want to see
Speaker 3: some bulk, he should take this and that well, there
Speaker 3: was no occasion. This stuff could hurt you or kill you,
Speaker 3: could kill you. I'm sure there was fear mongering around that. Sure,
Speaker 3: I'm sure there were people that people said, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: he died of steroids, no question. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And
Speaker 3: when he uses stuff, was the best spokesperson possible because
Speaker 3: they all looked great. You know, Brutus and I were sold.
Speaker 3: He calls him Brutus right then and there, and we
Speaker 3: got into it. We got into it heavy.
Speaker 2: Let's not forget this is the guy who thought doctor
Speaker 2: knew what to do for a spine because he was ten.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh so great, total NonStop Hogan days.
Speaker 3: You know, we found pretty quickly that it was all
Speaker 3: about finding the right cocktail that worked for you, and
Speaker 3: once you hit the correct combo, the results were fast
Speaker 3: and furious. There was always a base of testos roone.
Speaker 3: It could be one cc, maybe more, he just went
Speaker 3: by feel. Then there was deca deca durbolin and oil
Speaker 3: based steroid, and you'd take that once or twice a week.
Speaker 3: Then there were pills like anavar and the aforementioned donaball
Speaker 3: you know, which I know now is actually very toxic.
Speaker 3: It's it's like an androgen that makes you hold fluid.
Speaker 3: All steroids are stressful on your internal organs. But I
Speaker 3: was young and invincible, you know it. I took pills
Speaker 3: every day, I shot up out every third day. The
Speaker 3: results were incredible and kept every third day. A man,
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's right? When is it normal? Like
Speaker 3: when I feel like.
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about this stuff, Like as far
Speaker 2: as to that level of routine, I was feeling cycles,
Speaker 2: you do it like every other day, and then you
Speaker 2: like stop for a week, right, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, I was like, it seems like if you're if
Speaker 3: you're going like a certain on a good on a
Speaker 3: certain cycle, like it's you do it for a little while,
Speaker 3: then your office for days takes away the whole idea
Speaker 3: of a cycle. Doesn't cycle, not at all. You know,
Speaker 3: there's ultis kept going in just a couple of months.
Speaker 3: I was seeing that sort of Greek gods swell. I
Speaker 3: envisioned there's no limit to the amount of steroids. We
Speaker 3: could do as much as we wanted. The local weightlifter
Speaker 3: dealers could provide if you want to pay a hundred pills,
Speaker 3: If you wanted to buy a hundred pills, you could,
Speaker 3: and if he wanted to buy ten thousand bills, you could.
Speaker 3: If you wanted to buy a whole fuck. If you
Speaker 3: wanted to buy the factory brother to make the pills,
Speaker 3: you could, dude, to make your own factory brother, right
Speaker 3: the way. I would not see it.
Speaker 2: Nothing Terry at all had any designs on participating in
Speaker 2: this kind of commerce in Cocoa Beach on the.
Speaker 3: Brother. I'm not so, I don't know, but listen, I am.
Speaker 3: I want to tell you right now, dude, I do not.
Speaker 3: I've never used the Tampa Pipeline Brother, and I do not.
Speaker 3: I do not do the Tampa Pipeline Brother. People who
Speaker 3: know I'm not, did Terry sell drugs? And they'll say
Speaker 3: Terry was not a drug dealer, But they won't say
Speaker 3: he didn't sell. I definitely don't sell. Say that's that
Speaker 3: whole there's no limit. Waituh, he never sold? Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: Even if you get caught with a thousand bottles from
Speaker 3: a drug dealer, as long as you have that that
Speaker 3: prescription for that substance in your bag, you were Okay,
Speaker 3: I love carrying around a prescription Brutus's bag depending yeah right,
Speaker 3: But I love the idea like I mean, you know, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: they all had a note. They had a little thing,
Speaker 3: a little gimmick. Absolutely they did. I just because, like,
Speaker 3: how normal is that of guilt?
Speaker 9: Is that?
Speaker 3: Like you think? I think myself, like, listen, I take
Speaker 3: you know whatever, and I'm like, I'm not carrying around
Speaker 3: a fucking my doctor's prescription everywhere I fucking go.
Speaker 2: You know what the question is is it something that
Speaker 2: you could be arrested for possessing if you didn't have
Speaker 2: a doctor's permission.
Speaker 3: That's the difference. So like, yeah, I thought, Terry, I
Speaker 3: thought it was legal. Yeah, it'd be like oxyconton, you know,
Speaker 3: like they found who it's legal? Though, Terry, why do
Speaker 3: you why do you need why are you nervous? Legal? Doctor?
Speaker 3: But ask me about nervous? Dude? Want what wait? What
Speaker 3: would nervous? Exactly? What slip that in there? I don't
Speaker 3: I don't listen. I don't take steroids. I don't abuse steroids.
Speaker 3: I don't use steroids. I don't abuse them. Right now,
Speaker 3: I don't sell them. I don't deal them. I don't
Speaker 3: sell them. I don't deal them. I'm no part of
Speaker 3: the Tampa pipeline.
Speaker 2: Every time I've given someone old steroids, it was in
Speaker 2: advance of them giving me theirs later.
Speaker 3: If trust me, anytime I've ever given anybody steroids, it
Speaker 3: was not for a business arrangement. Dude. I have not
Speaker 3: taken any kind of monetary thing, and I have not
Speaker 3: ever given anybody else steroids ever, and I don't and
Speaker 3: I won't and I'm not addicted to it. And great
Speaker 3: thing to volunteer because no one was saying anything about addiction.
Speaker 2: Love and he gives himself away the best and I
Speaker 2: don't abuse given it to other people give it. I
Speaker 2: never will, I never have, and I'm not addicted to it.
Speaker 2: I don't abuse given steroids. I don't deal.
Speaker 3: Steroids. I don't deal cards with steroids. Brother, a local
Speaker 3: doctor who was friends with Whitey was kind enough to
Speaker 3: write down whenever we wanted so we'd be street legal.
Speaker 3: Found out that doesn't necessarily make it street legal if
Speaker 3: the doctor knows full well. Yeah, I hear street legal too,
Speaker 3: and I don't know. Whenever I hear street legal, I
Speaker 3: think of I think of Old School in the movie
Speaker 3: Old School, because you get Will Ferrell who's working on
Speaker 3: his car one way and he's like, he's like, like
Speaker 3: fucking he says, but don't say anything about it, because
Speaker 3: it's not exactly street legal. It's fucking engine that he's
Speaker 3: working on. It's like insanely loud. And then once we
Speaker 3: had his prescription for let's say, one bottle to toss
Speaker 3: roone would run right out and buy fifty bottles from
Speaker 3: one of those dealers down the street box. So if
Speaker 3: you have a minute and so you'd buy. So you
Speaker 3: get a prescription for one bottle to a sauceron and
Speaker 3: you buy fifty bottles that street legal from one of
Speaker 3: those that's I guess that's street legal. Down the street legal,
Speaker 3: he says, if you only carry one of them at
Speaker 3: a time, right, I guess I can carry bro something
Speaker 3: like a whole fucking gym bag of pills. Uh. I
Speaker 3: got a script for that, dude, I don't know. It
Speaker 3: says one. It says one one bag, brother, one bag
Speaker 3: of bottle. Peoples understand, and he unders gets that's right,
Speaker 3: du The thing is, I didn't have any second thoughts
Speaker 3: on pumping my body full of the stuff because everybody
Speaker 3: was steroids were safe. I guess it's kind of like
Speaker 3: in the nineteen fifties when everyone said smoking cigarettes was safe.
Speaker 3: They I didn't they didn't say it was safe. You
Speaker 3: heard that if you wanted to hear coming, right, But
Speaker 3: I think I mean, when do they when do they
Speaker 3: start putting We feel like they started putting labels on
Speaker 3: that back then. You know, see, like cigarette warnings.
Speaker 2: Falling asleep next to a campfire was never a good idea,
Speaker 2: and so in hailing smoke never a good idea either.
Speaker 2: It's a question of like how you know how obnoxious
Speaker 2: you want to get up? Yes, exactlyteen. I guess nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty six was when it was when the first warning
Speaker 2: labels came out. But still I feel like even back
Speaker 2: then it was like not necessarily that. And obviously everyone
Speaker 2: was smoking back.
Speaker 3: Then, especially in the wrestling arenas. Oh of course, damn
Speaker 3: straight hell some people were. Some people even said smoking
Speaker 3: was good for you, right if yeah, probably my my
Speaker 3: my addicted uncle probably said that it was good for you, Diane.
Speaker 2: She attributes her slim figure to Marlboro lights. Oh yes, fuck,
Speaker 2: oh my god, let me tell you I was looking
Speaker 2: for that ideal. I'm gonna tell you, I get fucked
Speaker 2: so fucking fast every night.
Speaker 3: And now we travel to Springfield to meet her sister Marge,
Speaker 3: and in the seventies, everyone just up the anne a little.
Speaker 3: I'll say they went around saying it was perfectly safe
Speaker 3: to smoke pot and it certainly wasn't gonna kill you
Speaker 3: to snort some cocaine else in the locker room circles,
Speaker 3: I know, right, And in locker room circles it was.
Speaker 3: It was just like, given that shooting steroids was safe
Speaker 3: to brother, who's shooting boiler? No one said it was
Speaker 3: a shoot exactly exactly? Who shoot brother? Like he gets
Speaker 3: he's like, he's like reading the audio book in the studio,
Speaker 3: He's like, well, who's shooting brother? He looks at the producers,
Speaker 3: like the should shoot me? Where's the shoot brother? Where's
Speaker 3: the shoot dude? What's me? Terry Terry, I'm sorry what
Speaker 3: they're talking through that mic into the studio? Yeah, Terry
Speaker 3: where I'm sorry? You got to shoot? What are you
Speaker 3: talking about? Well, it's written Reddit, it's a shooting run.
Speaker 3: You're pretending not to listen. Uh, I didn't write the book, Darry.
Speaker 3: You did, Terry Terry, You wrote the book. I mean,
Speaker 3: what does it mean? Why?
Speaker 9: What?
Speaker 3: I don't know? Because you asked him what it means? Well,
Speaker 3: tell you, because you're you're seeming to be concerned, and
Speaker 3: I just, uh, I just you're just reading what You're
Speaker 3: all I want asking the questions your brother. Dude. I'm
Speaker 3: see I'm the one who's vulnerable right now, brother, because
Speaker 3: I'm reading this thing out loud, and I gonta understand
Speaker 3: where you're coming from right now, brother, having me read
Speaker 3: this stuff, Dude, where you're coming from? This guy is
Speaker 3: just some engineer that works at the studio. He and
Speaker 3: give a fuck who this is. I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I'm just here to record that. Just
Speaker 3: you're reading your book. Man, I don't, I don't. I
Speaker 3: don't know what you want. Well, I think that's the problem.
Speaker 7: You do.
Speaker 3: You don't know what I want. And I want to
Speaker 3: know why you don't know what I want to He's
Speaker 3: not that complicated, brother, to figure out what it is
Speaker 3: I want.
Speaker 2: I want to know what's going on with his shooting.
Speaker 2: Everyone's shooting in the locker room. You're putting this copy
Speaker 2: in front of me, brother, like, I'm just just read this.
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't. I don't know what to tell
Speaker 3: you except that you know it's Henry Holmes on the phone.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to again, Henry Holmes, it's in your book,
Speaker 3: it's in his What do you want? It's in his book?
Speaker 3: He wrote it, he wrote it. But who are you
Speaker 3: talking to you over there? Exactly? I'm not. I'm talking
Speaker 3: to your guy. This guy with this kind of weird
Speaker 3: mullet pompadour thing in a mustache. He's got sunglasses inside.
Speaker 3: I don't know what he's he said, this is your manager?
Speaker 3: Was that Jimmy?
Speaker 9: Brother?
Speaker 3: I don't know what? Can we just listen? I want
Speaker 3: to go home? Who's ever going home? Dude? What someone
Speaker 3: gorilla calling? First of all? Home?
Speaker 4: Brother?
Speaker 3: We rolling me up? Someone in this brother? You get
Speaker 3: someone in the recording booth with me? Dude, Terry, it's
Speaker 3: too small for two people, brother? What we you say?
Speaker 3: It's too small? Dude? I got twenty four inch pythons. Brother,
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: There's nobody in there with you. Why would you offer that, brother?
Speaker 3: Why would you offer that statement?
Speaker 4: Dude?
Speaker 3: That information? Nobody's in here with me? But I didn't
Speaker 3: ask what you did just before? If I put somebody
Speaker 3: else in there, brother? What? But then you're putting words
Speaker 3: my mouth? Dude, you're putting my mouth all over these
Speaker 3: fuck words, dude, and I will understand what's going on, brother,
Speaker 3: because here we're talking about a shoot. You're telling me
Speaker 3: I got a guy behind me who's gonna roll me
Speaker 3: up in this fucking booth. Brother, you got Jimmy Hart
Speaker 3: who's over there trying to screw me as well. What's
Speaker 3: going on? Brother? With my book coming out, Well, that's
Speaker 3: what you get for having Hulk read and in locker
Speaker 3: room circles, it was just a given that shooting steroids
Speaker 3: was safe too. Yeah. Yeah, I'd also like to like,
Speaker 3: you know that, you know, smoking pots perfectly safe, and
Speaker 3: you know it's not gonna kill you if you snort
Speaker 3: some cocaine, and you know in locker rooms, you know
Speaker 3: shooting steroids is safe too. And you know what else
Speaker 3: is totally fine. Just walking down the street and fucking
Speaker 3: popping somebody with a gun, No big deal, No one's
Speaker 3: gonna stop you.
Speaker 2: If you remember back then, people were like, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: do all the heroin you want. You know, fucking sent
Speaker 2: no lollipops, It's all good.
Speaker 3: Fucking ridiculous. There's also sort of a social thing to brother.
Speaker 3: When you took steroids, you were just like every other
Speaker 3: musclehead in the gym. And if you didn't, it's almost like, well,
Speaker 3: why you waste your time in here? So true? We
Speaker 3: want to be healthy, dude, what's going home?
Speaker 2: You know the only reason new power lift is to
Speaker 2: see how much your body could do with every advantage
Speaker 2: known to God. And if that's not your goal, they
Speaker 2: don't get it.
Speaker 3: It's so crazy. It is the convenicent availability. Just push
Speaker 3: it over the top while make an appointment and waste
Speaker 3: all that time at a doctor's office to get one bottle.
Speaker 3: Not gonna lot ten bottles of that one I want
Speaker 3: right now, and do it for three dollars a bottle.
Speaker 3: I remember tis stosterone was like ten dollars a bottle,
Speaker 3: and we have and had ten shots in it, and
Speaker 3: there was just so much of it everywhere. It actually
Speaker 3: made you feel in place as opposed to out of
Speaker 3: place to take steroids. Before long, everyone in the gym
Speaker 3: was doing it. Everybody who worked at the bar was
Speaker 3: doing it, and you could you could look at the
Speaker 3: way the top the top athlete looked and know that
Speaker 3: they were all doing it too. Brother, So it wasn't
Speaker 3: consider a reckless thing. In fact, you know that whole
Speaker 3: year I spent in Cocoa Beach was anything but reckless.
Speaker 3: And even though I was running the anchor, I didn't drink.
Speaker 3: I went all of nineteen seventy eight without putting a
Speaker 3: drop of alcohol my body. Alcohol just wouldn't cut it
Speaker 3: with the schedule. That was not what yes, right, not
Speaker 3: at all? Listen. I can't I cannot imagine that hul
Speaker 3: Cogan could remember all of nineteen seventy eight when he
Speaker 3: wrote this book. So I don't know. I don't buy
Speaker 3: that for one moment. After working out and running the
Speaker 3: gym all day, but just don't know. I had a
Speaker 3: pretty standard routine. Would open up the bar and get
Speaker 3: everyone settled, and then we'd come back and watch David
Speaker 3: Letterman's Late night show I Love. That wasn't on in
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy eight, hadn't come out yet, I don't think,
Speaker 3: so only that came out until like the mid eighties.
Speaker 3: And just mean Carson. I could be wrong, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean well late because late night was after sure.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 3: Carson. But I don't think when did it start? Yeah,
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty two is when that starts. Well, so yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know about this. Nineteen seventy eight shit, but whatever,
Speaker 3: uh huh uh uh, and know they watched it, you know,
Speaker 3: you know while we watch, we drink these power shakes.
Speaker 3: I'll take the most fatmining protein there was, called metaball
Speaker 3: and dump it in a blunder with half a cube
Speaker 3: of vanilla Hoggin' Dots, ice cream banana, and two huge
Speaker 3: wads of peanut butter. Probably the most fammy shit you
Speaker 3: can eat.
Speaker 2: Dude, Eddie and Terry with their treats, watching Letterman like
Speaker 2: you're fucking these fucking uh and then we put whipped
Speaker 2: cream and sprinkle after that? Am I the only one
Speaker 2: basically picturing Beavis and buttheaded couch here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, seriously, Yeah, I'm picture of them, picturing them like,
Speaker 3: you know, shirtless, you know, and like and like gym shorts,
Speaker 3: you know, Beavis and juice Head, right exactly, they had,
Speaker 3: like judge to render these two oh fucking t shirt
Speaker 3: sitting on the pink couch, probably the most famming shit
Speaker 3: you can eat. We'd drink two blenders with that crap,
Speaker 3: watch a Letterman, then go back to the bar and
Speaker 3: stay until closing at four am. So so they would
Speaker 3: they don't they'd open the bar, I'm okay, So they'd
Speaker 3: open the bar, get everything settled, then go back and
Speaker 3: watch Letterman. I don't understand they would just leave the
Speaker 3: flavor and watch TV. And then they'd leave the floor
Speaker 3: and just go we'd come back, meaning that they would
Speaker 3: be back at their apartment or back at the gym.
Speaker 3: I don't know where they watched the show, but I
Speaker 3: think yeah, they would leave the bar to in someone
Speaker 3: else's hands while they watched that show and then come
Speaker 3: back after it was over. Oh, I would have been
Speaker 3: wrecked the next day if I had been boozing it up,
Speaker 3: so alcohol was out and pot was in. Brother, I
Speaker 3: still don't understand. This makes no that just makes any
Speaker 3: sense at all. That schedule makes no fucking sense at all.
Speaker 3: I don't understand. Why are you leaving the bar if
Speaker 3: you're working.
Speaker 2: I think his his job was less to serve patrons
Speaker 2: all night and more to just supervise the people who
Speaker 2: did that was that was my impression. He did work
Speaker 2: the bar, no question, and Don Wilson laid it out
Speaker 2: in as much detail as he could remember, as you
Speaker 2: can't forget this is just one guy that worked there
Speaker 2: for one year, right, He wasn't ut Cogan then, so
Speaker 2: he was barely remembered. But I get the sense that
Speaker 2: he was kind of more supervising things than the person
Speaker 2: that you know that the place had to shut down
Speaker 2: if he wasn't there to serve drinks? What about Brutus
Speaker 2: though it wasn't he He was the door man, he
Speaker 2: was the front zone man, many including don.
Speaker 3: I guess that's true. It's one of many, So I'm like,
Speaker 3: why why does he get to leave too? They were
Speaker 3: kind of made men in a way. It sounds like
Speaker 3: because Whitey basically recruited them to help ran open the place,
Speaker 3: not just work there. Yeah, it's fucking crazy. I would
Speaker 3: have been round and was in. I started smoking pot
Speaker 3: a little bit in the last couple of bands I
Speaker 3: was in, and the other guys would it disappear on me?
Speaker 3: During breaks? I'd, you know, put there are you going? Brother?
Speaker 7: On?
Speaker 3: Of course you asked that question, why am I alone?
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, dude, I'll put the bass guitar
Speaker 3: down and ask, you know, where the fuck did everyone
Speaker 3: want to go? Did they had a secret code to
Speaker 3: lose me or something?
Speaker 4: Brother?
Speaker 3: Oh, here we go? Well and they come back smelling
Speaker 3: like weed. I finally asked David the keyboard player about it,
Speaker 3: and he said, we doing out there, brother, exactly what
Speaker 3: was going on out there? Do you? Why are you
Speaker 3: smoking like pot? Uh Ant was smoking pot? Brother, you're
Speaker 3: smoking pot.
Speaker 2: That's like the most surprising answer to that question he
Speaker 2: could have gotten. Why do you spelling pot? Because I
Speaker 2: was smoking it? What d a rock and roll band?
Speaker 3: Rock and roll? Pot and roll ain't no pot and roll, brother,
Speaker 3: hoot and roll pot and Roid the terry bullet of
Speaker 3: Cocoa Beach years.
Speaker 2: The pot and roll sounds like a sushi item. This
Speaker 2: guy's roting so hard. Oh, it's like it's unbelievable. He's
Speaker 2: got the muscle shirt every day. Like he's got the
Speaker 2: lifestyle too, where he like shows off the muscles twenty
Speaker 2: four hours a day. He doesn't have to go to
Speaker 2: an office, you know what I mean, he doesn't have
Speaker 2: to work at construction site.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, I I picture like people who
Speaker 3: went to the bar one night they see they see Hogan.
Speaker 3: The next time they come back and he's like all
Speaker 3: fucking ballooned out exactly. It's fucking crazy ballooned. You should
Speaker 3: try it. I never wanted to. I was pretty clean
Speaker 3: cut kid. But on the whole band, you know, went
Speaker 3: on this camping trip down the down the the the
Speaker 3: with Lacuchi River. The what the with Lacuci River? That
Speaker 3: sounds like that sounds exactly the fu Yeah, I used
Speaker 3: to go. I used to go to fuck the pussy
Speaker 3: river too, back in the day with Lakuchi River. And
Speaker 3: I finally smoked joint, nothing happened, smoking another one. Before
Speaker 3: he knew it. I was ordering thirty testosterone before he
Speaker 3: knew it. I was ordering thirty joints for one fucking joint.
Speaker 3: He finally smoked a joint, Nothing happened, so he smoked
Speaker 3: another one. I understand. That's what it gets even more complicated.
Speaker 3: Oh god, nothing happened. Also had four Oh my god,
Speaker 3: most had four or five joints. That first time. I
Speaker 3: didn't feel a thing. Then all of a sudden, we
Speaker 3: stopped to pitch the tent. You pitch the tent down
Speaker 3: with the Lacuchi River. Okay, this now makes sense. That's
Speaker 3: all makes sense. With Lacuchi is what they called Don
Speaker 3: Wilson's penthouse above the with less satisfaxion with Lacuchi popping tents,
Speaker 3: pitching tents, I started started eating everything inside, potato chips, oreos, pussy,
Speaker 3: everything to get my hands on. And they're all laughing.
Speaker 3: He's eating pussy. Look at is eating pussy. They're calling
Speaker 3: him Ahogan of course. Yeah, this is a running joke.
Speaker 3: Oh you're Stone, You're Stone. You got the munchies, man,
Speaker 3: Shure didn't feel like I was stoned? Well, I guess
Speaker 3: I was. Man, That's why those fattening shakes were down
Speaker 3: so easy and go go beach. I was stone, brother.
Speaker 3: I picture him as making a shriek on Tuesday, tight
Speaker 3: into the vents and be like pumping powder. Dude, Oh
Speaker 3: yes I do. Oh my god. I never tell you
Speaker 3: the time I had a a pot brownie. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: you couldn't move, right, I couldn't move. Yeah, I told
Speaker 3: you that one. Yeah, totally, dude, just fucking I could not.
Speaker 3: I I just was so stupid because I ate it
Speaker 3: all so fucking fast. It's good in all, exactly what
Speaker 3: he's describing exactly. Yeah, you know, I mean I didn't
Speaker 3: get the munchies. I was just fucking done. You'd get
Speaker 3: the munchies because you right, I hate the whole brownie
Speaker 3: and I'm like moving, Man, you don't know, do you
Speaker 3: know how you react to that ship exactly? I'm like,
Speaker 3: never again, I'm good. I don't need I don't need
Speaker 3: my my pot cocoa beach brownie. And he stayed fucked up, like,
Speaker 3: come on his whole life? Oh yes, come on, you
Speaker 3: know he was kind of blowing pot his whole life,
Speaker 3: blowing that cush. Give me break, folks, what do you
Speaker 3: think was in Brutus's uh fanny pack? Come on, all right, seriously,
Speaker 3: let's sign minutes words a little bit of the rattle
Speaker 3: rattle in there. Yeah, take the edge off, fire up,
Speaker 3: but donald things up, now things down. Take these things
Speaker 3: back on track, brother, Take things in the next level.
Speaker 3: Take a down level brother, and you know, negotiate things
Speaker 3: they go along. Yep, regulation pop a couple of that
Speaker 3: wide glide. That's pick the long road or a short bus.
Speaker 3: Get a short road and a long metaphors. Run out
Speaker 3: of things to say here, I have the appetizer after
Speaker 3: the ontrosen.
Speaker 2: Brother, starting with dessert first, dude. Right, I'm a living
Speaker 2: dessert first brother. I mean I'm wide gliding on that
Speaker 2: on those guns.
Speaker 3: Starting with the dessert dude, and with the moss roll sticks,
Speaker 3: brother fat and shaked dude, fattening shaked dude. You know
Speaker 3: I have a fucking junk food brother, half a cube
Speaker 3: half I'm gonna for half a cube and does at
Speaker 3: my next shake it's gonna be for terry. I mean
Speaker 3: that's it that. I mean that is not a protein shake.
Speaker 3: That is a milkshake. I bother. Okay, it's gonna taste
Speaker 3: it anyway, or if you're doing that fucking oh no,
Speaker 3: he's talking about how much he said, He said, with
Speaker 3: a half.
Speaker 10: Thing of it.
Speaker 3: Half a cube, which I took to be a little amount,
Speaker 3: not like a thimble, not a big amount. But what's
Speaker 3: a cube?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 3: I ever think an ice cube thing? Yeah, that doesn't
Speaker 3: make any sense. I'm gonna say, what's a cube of
Speaker 3: ice cream? Are you okay? It's gonna say it sounds
Speaker 3: like what are you talking about? A cube of ice
Speaker 3: cream can be a prepackaged treat, often in flavors like
Speaker 3: strawberry chocolate, or unique options like sessing even nolla, okay,
Speaker 3: what what's happening the fuck? Or it can be made
Speaker 3: homemade by no. I just want to know what this
Speaker 3: all can be existing in any shape and ice cream,
Speaker 3: there's nothing cube specific. I didn't know what he's talking
Speaker 3: about regarding cube, because I honestly talked that. It's like
Speaker 3: I usually thought of, like, you know, half a I
Speaker 3: honestly this is what I pictured in my mind because
Speaker 3: I'm looking at I think about it, like, right, you
Speaker 3: get the ice cream, you get an ice cream thing, right,
Speaker 3: and it's like it's like a it's like a tangle,
Speaker 3: a rectangular carton, like the round edges. I don't think
Speaker 3: I'm like half of that. It's ridiculous. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I agree he's but you're talking about it, but you're
Speaker 3: talking about having a whole fucking blender of this ship.
Speaker 3: Come on, man, you can't fill a blender with it
Speaker 3: with an ice cube, a half ice cube of fucking
Speaker 3: ice cream. It's true. I don't know this metal. Yes,
Speaker 3: that's right, brother. I met a ball, dude, I met
Speaker 3: them all. I've done metal ball, done a ball uh
Speaker 3: Barbica have stayed in Cocoa Beach, just living that laid
Speaker 3: back live forever. But but but setting in on one
Speaker 3: spot on the car, setting setting in on one spot
Speaker 3: of the cars in the cards for me wasn't in
Speaker 3: the cars for me. Life is a way of of
Speaker 3: always keeping you in check. Brother, Doesn't it just when
Speaker 3: you just when things seem to be settled and going great.
Speaker 3: The rug is he hanged down from under? You probably like,
Speaker 3: wool brother, what's going on, dude? Exactly? The rug yanked
Speaker 3: out from underhe doesn't that tell you everything you need
Speaker 3: to know, that choice of words being in that year,
Speaker 3: Whiney decided to get married. He'd had it with the
Speaker 3: whole beach scene like this. You know what, Terry, I've
Speaker 3: had it with a beat saint. I'm getting married. I'm
Speaker 3: done nothing to do with the feds. Well, I just
Speaker 3: like the idea that that, you know what, I'm done
Speaker 3: with this. I'm gonna get married now. Fuck the beach scene.
Speaker 3: I'm done. Gotta get married. Oh my god. And he
Speaker 3: decided to sell the bar, and I couldn't keep I
Speaker 3: couldn't keep the gym open without why he's backing, so
Speaker 3: I had to close down too. Poof our little bachelor
Speaker 3: party lifestyle was shut down. The thing was enough time
Speaker 3: had passed that I started to think about wrestling again.
Speaker 3: With a crap I went through took a back seat
Speaker 3: in my mind with that amazing feeling of being in
Speaker 3: the ring with a crowd of people hollering and coo
Speaker 3: and cooing, oh oohing and ooing and aweing to every
Speaker 3: every move. Plus now I have this body on me.
Speaker 3: I finally looked like one of those like those heroes
Speaker 3: I worshiped as a kid. In fact, I look better
Speaker 3: than them. I don't think I think nobody looked like Hulkogan.
Speaker 3: It's a story of steroids, that's all it is. It's
Speaker 3: a story of steroids. But like, nobody looked his size. Ever,
Speaker 3: No nobody did. I started to wonder if I had
Speaker 3: a out of Florida and, you know, away from the
Speaker 3: stigma they had put on me, because of the way
Speaker 3: I had got into this and got into this thing,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe there was a chance that I could
Speaker 3: make the big time. I had a newfound confidence that
Speaker 3: didn't exist back in Tampa. So I called up Superstar
Speaker 3: Billy graham Dude, I think my arms are bigger than yours. Now, Dude,
Speaker 3: I just take my biceps and they're twenty four inches.
Speaker 3: When Superstar Billy Grahams hit twenty two inches in the
Speaker 3: mid seventies, they were considered the biggest guns in the world,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, mine were twenty four inches around.
Speaker 3: I couldn't touch my shoulders for like a year. I
Speaker 3: was so blowed it out. Graham couldn't believe his ears.
Speaker 3: If you're that big and you really want to wrestle,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna send you to Louis Killette, And there it is.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna send you to Louis te Leett, also known
Speaker 2: as the guy who saw Hull Cogan and Terry bolea first. First,
Speaker 2: Louis Tillette gets the credit Louis Tillette.
Speaker 3: That's wild. Perhaps it should be Louis Tillay, as he
Speaker 3: was a French Canaryo brother and.
Speaker 2: And you can imagine as a result of his heritage,
Speaker 2: close to Under the Giant and close to Pat Patterson
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: Sure sure.
Speaker 2: Louis Tillette made his pro wrestling debut in the fifties
Speaker 2: in Minnesota, and then he ended up in and around Alabama,
Speaker 2: where he was Gulf Coast Tag team champion with the
Speaker 2: likes of Jackie Fargo Sonny Fargo. He worked in Texas
Speaker 2: through the sixties. He was Brass Knucks Champion and uh
Speaker 2: TECH his Junior heavyweight champion sixty five. He went out
Speaker 2: to Florida in sixty seven. He was Florida Heavyweight Champion,
Speaker 2: defeating Lester Welch of Ron Fuller's Welch family. So there's
Speaker 2: a connection there all the way back in the sixties.
Speaker 2: He worked with Wahoo McDaniel. He had that up in
Speaker 2: Los Angeles in the seventies and he worked for Continental
Speaker 2: which is another word to use for the Southeastern Territory Yeah,
Speaker 2: to be known as Continental Championship in eighty five, in particular,
Speaker 2: when Fuller tried to put the band back together and
Speaker 2: do a promotion from the ashes of his prior enterprise
Speaker 2: in Knoxville. And after settling in seventy six in Knoxville,
Speaker 2: he basically spent the rest of his career there and
Speaker 2: that's where he comes into contact with Terry Bolea. To
Speaker 2: Lay would wrestle on and off even while booking the territory.
Speaker 2: To hear, Ron Fuller tellent to cut himself in on
Speaker 2: talent pay as well as office pay for now.
Speaker 3: And then you know that goes.
Speaker 2: But retired in nineteen eighty two from the wrestling business.
Speaker 2: He passed away just last year. Wow at well, I
Speaker 2: forget how old he was actually was he was eighty
Speaker 2: nine years old.
Speaker 3: Was Louis Toi Lett.
Speaker 2: So kind of a shame that he was gone by
Speaker 2: the time inspiration struck to do a career retrospective on
Speaker 2: Hulk like this, because man, what a brain.
Speaker 3: That would have been. Oh God.
Speaker 2: And the fact that I don't see a single interview
Speaker 2: that exists of Louis to Lett explaining exactly what he
Speaker 2: saw in Terry Buley and exactly how he executed on
Speaker 2: it is that that's ridicular hyme and if it actually
Speaker 2: please surface it for us, that's unacceptable. Actually, yep, absolutely.
Speaker 9: So.
Speaker 2: A lot of people remembered him fondly upon his passing,
Speaker 2: but he had this, you know, very regional impact on
Speaker 2: the business. It was seemed to me to be very
Speaker 2: easy to be a big deal in pro wrestling in
Speaker 2: the sixties and seventies and never have really heard of
Speaker 2: this guy or dealt with him. The part of the
Speaker 2: country and where Terry Bulay came from and where he
Speaker 2: tried to really break through in the wrestling business. Louis
Speaker 2: Tillette was a man maker. And here in his first book,
Speaker 2: Hogan talks a bit about Louis ti Lett even remembers
Speaker 2: him being an interesting character. Hogan remembers he had these
Speaker 2: dentures to Louis Tillette that he would take out after
Speaker 2: we ate at McDonald's so he could suck the cheese
Speaker 2: out of his teeth.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, excuse me what now?
Speaker 2: See, I'm surprised that you want me to read that
Speaker 2: again because I thought that would be just something you'd
Speaker 2: breeze right by, something that wouldn't be a detail that
Speaker 2: was really worth anchoring on.
Speaker 3: Definitely not. That's definitely the most important thing you said.
Speaker 3: This is a man, Louis Tillett, according to Hulk Hogan himself,
Speaker 3: who is sure to call out little peccadillos like this
Speaker 3: about everybody he came across. He brings everyone down to earth. Yes,
Speaker 3: apparently when they'd go to McDonald's, Louis Tillette would take
Speaker 3: the dentures out of his mouth so he could suck
Speaker 3: the he's out of his teeth. I mean, you know what,
Speaker 3: My question is, what's the problem, right? And I think
Speaker 3: I careful consideration, right, Listen, I'm not I'm listen you
Speaker 3: know what, and I'll say this, I don't think there's
Speaker 3: any problem at all. It's he's always curious, not at all. Listen.
Speaker 3: It definitely does not make me feel uncomfortable nor is
Speaker 3: it inappropriate. It's just it's just a new a new
Speaker 3: way of looking at things, and I'm always curious as
Speaker 3: to how people live their life.
Speaker 2: A new way of looking at things. The boss declares
Speaker 2: of one Louis Toillette and his acclivities, and the McDonald's,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so fucking news. Picture that you're
Speaker 2: sitting there and the guy takes his teeth out of his.
Speaker 3: Face and hearts ah.
Speaker 9: Ah.
Speaker 3: You know, you know what I picture. This is what
Speaker 3: I picture. Okay, this is what I picture. Right, it's
Speaker 3: gonna be I picture. You remember any of Jones the
Speaker 3: template Doom? Yes, okay, you know the guy, the guy
Speaker 3: they're at the dinner scene. The guy takes the fucking
Speaker 3: and the beatle and takes the shell officers like picking it.
Speaker 3: That's what a picture. He takes the teethousers picking it.
Speaker 3: It's like like like taking his finger to m hm.
Speaker 2: God that government cheese too on top of it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know, because it's like he gets sticky. You know,
Speaker 2: it's not even like blocks of refuse. But he had
Speaker 2: an eye for undiscovered talent, or talent that hadn't proven
Speaker 2: to draw yet but had the potential if if positioned
Speaker 2: correctly to draw. And here is for the first time
Speaker 2: on this episode and this leg of the journey, Ron
Speaker 2: stud himself on the studcast talking about what his booker,
Speaker 2: Louis to Lette saw Terry Bullet.
Speaker 4: But you know, Louis to Let, it wasn't his first
Speaker 4: rodeo man as a booker, and he knew how to
Speaker 4: put a TV together too, And so besides how of
Speaker 4: an a rock and TV, he was also man out
Speaker 4: there locating and looking for talent and he had found
Speaker 4: himself for very green and totally unknown Ras waiting in
Speaker 4: the wings for his first shot. Had started Man and
Speaker 4: he's going to be a big name. And as soon
Speaker 4: as he took the book from my brother Rob in
Speaker 4: early nineteen seventy nine, he began a talent search across
Speaker 4: the country. He knew all kinds of people, all lots
Speaker 4: of promoters, and he had been all around the world wrestling,
Speaker 4: and so he had connections and he just asked and
Speaker 4: just kept looking for something different, somebody that could really
Speaker 4: pop things. So, you know, in the last couple of stuchgas,
Speaker 4: you kind of begin to see these new wrestlers are
Speaker 4: arriving and some of the you know, as some of
Speaker 4: these present wrestlers and started are going to Memphis. He's
Speaker 4: pretty good at bringing in new people. So Louis had
Speaker 4: a great relationship with Eddie Graham and my father, and
Speaker 4: both of those guys were stockholders in the NWA Florida territory,
Speaker 4: and Louis himself had been the booker in that territory
Speaker 4: on several occasions over the ten year twelve year period
Speaker 4: of time. So he contacted Florida office man, which was,
Speaker 4: you know, been probably my first place to call and ask,
Speaker 4: you know. And he asked about new guys that we're training,
Speaker 4: because they trained them there all the time, you know,
Speaker 4: and anybody that he asked about, anybody who had been
Speaker 4: recently trained in the old snake Pit. That's what the
Speaker 4: building was called where they did TV there then that's
Speaker 4: where they trained at. And basically I kind of grew
Speaker 4: up in that snake Pit, so I was very familiar
Speaker 4: with that building. So and he was told about one
Speaker 4: guy in particular, Charlie Lay was the guy that said
Speaker 4: at the very Wrestling Office, which was in that same building,
Speaker 4: been there for many years, and he told Louis that
Speaker 4: there's this big, huge dude that came come in here.
Speaker 3: Uh his name is.
Speaker 4: Terry Bowlea and uh and you know he said, uh,
Speaker 4: he's really big that he says, but you know they
Speaker 4: intended he had They intentionally discouraged him on purpose because
Speaker 4: of some of the trainers didn't believe he had the
Speaker 4: proper attitude. So evidently, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3: What what do you mean by discouraged him? What do
Speaker 3: you mean?
Speaker 4: So, well, let's tell you hero. Matt said he'd been
Speaker 4: training guys that that had grown up in that area,
Speaker 4: friends of Mike Graham, that went to school with Mike.
Speaker 4: That turned it to be great. Rather, Matt Suit had
Speaker 4: trained Dick Slater, it's my job, range Steve Kerr. He
Speaker 4: trained Dennis McCord, who's going to be the future Austin Idol.
Speaker 4: That's just the name a few other guys that he
Speaker 4: trained in a snake pitch. Well, he's the one that
Speaker 4: is discouraged. That's called it uh uh the future hop
Speaker 4: uh from continuing to be trained. And he did it
Speaker 4: by breaking his leg on purpose.
Speaker 3: WHOA, WHOA are you serious about?
Speaker 5: Why?
Speaker 3: Why would he do that?
Speaker 4: Because he didn't think Terry was as committed as he
Speaker 4: should be to learning to be a wrestler, and you know,
Speaker 4: he felt like that he wasn't going to be a
Speaker 4: benefit of the business and and he didn't deserve to
Speaker 4: be in the business.
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Speaker 2: So there you go a lot of different things confirmed there.
Speaker 2: And when he started saying, you know that Louis to
Speaker 2: let put the call in it was old pals in
Speaker 2: Florida and Eddie Graham and stuffed figure out who might
Speaker 2: be good. I was like, oh, wait a minute, here,
Speaker 2: maybe is a chance to confirm that they did see
Speaker 2: potential in the kid and put his name out there.
Speaker 3: But no, it was Charlie Lay.
Speaker 2: Charlie Lay was the guy that Hulk name drops over
Speaker 2: and over again when telling the story of that part
Speaker 2: of his career, going into the snake pit and Sportatorium
Speaker 2: and training un Hero Matsuda. Charlie Lay was the guy
Speaker 2: that basically you know, sold tickets at the front of
Speaker 2: the Sportatorium, and he was basically like the building manager,
Speaker 2: if you will, the office representative in there, and he
Speaker 2: was the guy that would kind of let Hogan in
Speaker 2: the side doors and give Hogan a little bit of
Speaker 2: advice and kind of tell Hogan when he was overstaying
Speaker 2: as welcome. In certain contexts and situations, you could tell
Speaker 2: that Hogan really thought Charlie Lay was his eyes and
Speaker 2: ears in terms of like being close to the power
Speaker 2: nuclear of Championship Biston from Florida. And how lucky for
Speaker 2: him that Louis to let phone down there trying to
Speaker 2: make an impact as a booker that it was Charlie
Speaker 2: Lay who picked up the phone, because he is the
Speaker 2: one that named Hal Cloak, not Jerry Brisco, not Bob
Speaker 2: Orton or Bob Roup, not Eddie or Mike Graham, Charlie Lay,
Speaker 2: and we're on our way and Louis Wow to let
Speaker 2: being familiar down there. It's also very fortuitous for Terry
Speaker 2: that you're in a situation where there's a new booker
Speaker 2: in a territory and he's trying to make a name
Speaker 2: for himself, and how do you make a name for
Speaker 2: yourself draw money with a guy that wasn't already a
Speaker 2: money draw to begin with. That's what you want to do,
Speaker 2: but you don't want to upset that apple cart. You know,
Speaker 2: if Terry was looking to break in at a time
Speaker 2: when you know the booker and Gulf Coast was the
Speaker 2: guy that had been there for ten twelve years, something
Speaker 2: tells me to be a lot harder for him to
Speaker 2: get this kind of opportunity, because that booker isn't looking
Speaker 2: to completely reinvent the wheel and create a new reputation
Speaker 2: for himself. But Louis Tillett was in exactly that position,
Speaker 2: and so the timing was perfect. As Hogan says in
Speaker 2: his first book, to Let was this French Canadian guy
Speaker 2: who were in the Alabama Wrestling Territory, which covered Pensacola
Speaker 2: and Panama City, basically that whole northern Florida Panhandle. I
Speaker 2: was pumped, I was ready. I asked Brutus if he
Speaker 2: wanted to come along. He didn't know a thing about wrestling,
Speaker 2: but I promised to teach him everything I knew, and
Speaker 2: I wouldn't torture him like I'd been torkuh So now
Speaker 2: he does about wrestling. Now, all that training didn't happen
Speaker 2: in Coco Beach. Apparently all right, we already had the
Speaker 2: body in the size, and I figured wrestling would be
Speaker 2: a lot more fun with a partner in crime along
Speaker 2: for the ride, Which is the inverse of him of
Speaker 2: at Leslie saying that it was actually him inquiring about
Speaker 2: becoming a wrestler himself and Coco Beats that got Terry
Speaker 2: interested in trying wrestling again. Here Terry is taking the initiative,
Speaker 2: making the contacts and asking Eddie, who has no interest
Speaker 2: apparently in coming along. He was one hundred percent in
Speaker 2: Terry writes, and so was I. So we packed up
Speaker 2: my customized gold Dodge van that I'd bought from Whitey,
Speaker 2: I said goodbye to Cocoa Beach and I drove off
Speaker 2: to Alabama. It was the start of a whole new adventure.
Speaker 2: I'm reminded of some lyrics that Solar System member pointed
Speaker 2: out on Patreon. Songwrite by the name of Connor Oburst,
Speaker 2: who wrote a song Cape Canaveral, which of course is
Speaker 2: proximate to Cocoa Beach. Right there, as we talked about
Speaker 2: a Whitey Bridges would even set up, like you know,
Speaker 2: cocktails and promotional events for his bar when people stood
Speaker 2: around to watch. Tourists would come to watch the launches
Speaker 2: from Cape Canaveral. And A Kalico is the Solar System
Speaker 2: member's name, And he pointed out as we were chronicling
Speaker 2: the end of the Cocoa Beach run for Terry, the
Speaker 2: lyrics go something like this, and watch the migrants smoke
Speaker 2: in the old orange grove and the red rocket blaze
Speaker 2: over Cape Canaveral. You've been a father to me. Your
Speaker 2: nineteen sixties speak give me comatose joy like rerun TV
Speaker 2: while the mountainside was shining wild colors of my destiny.
Speaker 2: I watched your face age backwards, changing shape and my memory.
Speaker 2: You taught me victory sweet, even deep in the cheap seats. Hey, hey, hey, mother, Interstate,
Speaker 2: can you deliver me from evil, make me honest, make
Speaker 2: me wedding cake a tone? I will atone. Wait wait, wait,
Speaker 2: mighty outer space. All that flying saucer terror made me lazy,
Speaker 2: drinking lemonade a waste. It just went to waste, like
Speaker 2: the free on cold out the hotel door, or the
Speaker 2: white rocket fade over Cape Canaveral. You've been a daughter
Speaker 2: to me. You're a buried shoe box grief. I felt
Speaker 2: your poultergeist love like Savannah heat while the waterfall was
Speaker 2: pouring crazy symbols of my destiny. I watched your face
Speaker 2: die backwards, little baby, in my memory you told me
Speaker 2: victory sweet, even deep in the cheap seats. Time to
Speaker 2: leave Cape Canaveral behind, Boss, time to leave Cocoa Beach behind,
Speaker 2: and time to make a run for this thiszing.
Speaker 3: Dallas ing up, brother, this thiszzing up brother.
Speaker 2: And my god, does it happen at a good time
Speaker 2: for cultural inspiration, Because, as we've already referenced, Louis Ferrigno
Speaker 2: had already taken incredible Hulk to a totally different level
Speaker 2: under the tutelage of the director.
Speaker 3: What is it? Lee Johnson?
Speaker 2: Know, Ken Ken, Ken Johnson? How could I forget the
Speaker 2: former slick or the future slick?
Speaker 3: Of course not, but.
Speaker 2: Great chronicling of all of the kind of conceptual and
Speaker 2: creative back and forth about what the Ferigno hope would
Speaker 2: look like. We talked about how there was even an
Speaker 2: argument to make Hulk red instead of green. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: I couldn't help but perk up when Ron Fuller and
Speaker 2: that clip we just played sat hulkless green. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you better believe he fucking was.
Speaker 3: You better believe he was.
Speaker 2: And it leads to the most apocryphal of Hogan tales.
Speaker 2: And this is something that I defy you to find
Speaker 2: anything close to empirical proof of. But it sets us
Speaker 2: on the course to see this initial run as not
Speaker 2: only a huge breakthrough for Terry Bolea, but in my opinion,
Speaker 2: to my thesis, a constant running away from being sued
Speaker 2: by Marvel for ripping off the Hulk like this to
Speaker 2: make a note for himself. This is from Hogan's second book,
Speaker 2: and to hear him tell it, this is how the
Speaker 2: worlds of loof for Rigno's Hulk and his wrestling Hulk
Speaker 2: collide in Alabama. You know, later on, while I was
Speaker 2: wrestling for Louis to Lay, I showed up at a
Speaker 2: morning talk show in Mobile, Alabama to promote a wrestling event.
Speaker 2: The other guest was a guy named lou f Forrigno,
Speaker 2: who was staring with Bill Bixby on a TV show
Speaker 2: called The Incredible hulk If. Rigno was travel around the
Speaker 2: country to plug his series, which wasn't doing so well
Speaker 2: in the ratings, which if you know, if he listened,
Speaker 2: wasn't well in the ratings. We know it was doing
Speaker 2: exceptional phenomenal in the ratings. It was doing exceptionally well
Speaker 2: in the ratings all in, and when it could talk
Speaker 2: about it seemed like to be right.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 3: It was, you know, within the top fifty shows pretty
Speaker 3: much its entire run at a time when that rually
Speaker 3: bent something, it did mean something for forty nine and
Speaker 3: fifty were doing huge numbers compared to today. Right, So
Speaker 3: in between shooting schedules, they kept him on the road
Speaker 3: working all the local markets, which also they didn't. Okay,
Speaker 3: like I'm going to tell you this, I don't know
Speaker 3: if I even really brought this up as much, but
Speaker 3: if you do, so, I did do lengthy, lengthy, lengthy
Speaker 3: searches to you know, in different you know, like I
Speaker 3: went down I went, I tried. I went down my own,
Speaker 3: my own rabbit hole, okay, trying to find any evidence
Speaker 3: of this. I wanted to find something. I wanted to
Speaker 3: see if there was any inkling that they were ever
Speaker 3: on a talk show together. So I would just sometimes
Speaker 3: even do just do a search for Lou Farigno and
Speaker 3: just isolate the area, like isolate Alabama for example, and
Speaker 3: see what you know where lufrigo and you know, it
Speaker 3: still brings out so many different But what I did
Speaker 3: notice was that there he was on talk shows. These
Speaker 3: were nationally televised talk shows. These are not local talk shows.
Speaker 3: Not once did any local newspaper ever say, hey, he's
Speaker 3: going to be on our little fucking rinkeddink talk show. Never.
Speaker 3: It was always big Lu Forrigno was a big star
Speaker 3: at that point, and not just because of the hope,
Speaker 3: but because of pumping iron like it's to even insinuate
Speaker 3: that he was doing something like that was just complete
Speaker 3: it's just complete blowney. Yeah, especially for him to be
Speaker 3: on the same TV show as this local rest right right.
Speaker 3: I find that because here's the thing. He was Hulk
Speaker 3: for the beginning, right right, There wasn't it. There wasn't
Speaker 3: like a period where he was in Alabama for a
Speaker 3: while and they weren't calling the Hulk. All the evidence
Speaker 3: we have, and the testimony we have from A. Ron Fuller,
Speaker 3: is that he was brought in and called the Hulk
Speaker 3: from the beginning. There was a time when he was
Speaker 3: called Stertling, the Hulk Golden, but the Hulk was always
Speaker 3: in play, according to ron fully and according to the
Speaker 3: results you see everywhere. So where is this time period
Speaker 3: for him You're going to read the rest of the story,
Speaker 3: But where is this time period for people to get
Speaker 3: the bright idea to call him the Hulk? After he
Speaker 3: had already been a big enough star in Alabama to
Speaker 3: be invited on a local talk show in the first place,
Speaker 3: right exactly, So, in between shooting schedules, they kept him
Speaker 3: on the road working on all the local markets. And
Speaker 3: when I got on the show, the host looked at
Speaker 3: for Ignot and he looked at me and he said, my,
Speaker 3: oh my god, you're bigger than Loof for Regno, you're
Speaker 3: bigger than the Hulk. And I said, that's because I'm
Speaker 3: the real Hulk. Just in case Lou.
Speaker 2: Doesn't confirm that this ever happened, Hulk Scott an Ason
Speaker 2: the hole on that one, doesn't he.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now, I have a gift to gab and Lou
Speaker 3: had a bit of a speech impediment at that time,
Speaker 3: and as a result of a hearing loss.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to to run him down hearing loss.
Speaker 2: If Lou doesn't remember someone saying that about him being
Speaker 2: bigger than Lou.
Speaker 3: For Rigno, right, which also the the last clip that
Speaker 3: I that I played too. I was worrying that you
Speaker 3: were going to come up with some thing where says
Speaker 3: he remembers the talk show. But no, and and and
Speaker 3: they and the best and the thing is like the
Speaker 3: the the the local Tampa news, they say, And Lou
Speaker 3: Forigno even met and remembers the show. They say that,
Speaker 3: But not once does Lou Figno ever mention talk show
Speaker 3: he talks about at the scene. He says, when Hogan
Speaker 3: came on the scene, he does not talk about a
Speaker 3: talk show. He does not talk about anything in that regard,
Speaker 3: which also means like, why are you saying he remembers
Speaker 3: something when he doesn't even mention it, right, Like what
Speaker 3: do you? What is that?
Speaker 4: That?
Speaker 3: To me is weird journalism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they probably read like a Wikipedia about this
Speaker 2: story that we're reading right now and asked him about it,
Speaker 2: and Frigno probably just said, yeah, yeah, yeah, just.
Speaker 3: You know, kind of blee past it.
Speaker 2: Because if they had Lou Frigno on tape in that
Speaker 2: interview confirming the day he was in the studio when
Speaker 2: He'll Cogan got the name, they would play that clip
Speaker 2: exactly it is somewhere lu Frigna would have said it one.
Speaker 2: I mean, Metallico was asked about Hogan. Laila Ali was
Speaker 2: asked about the whole Hogan, you know, getting the phone
Speaker 2: call preventing his suicide. We played it on total NonStop Hogan.
Speaker 2: She was like, I remember doing that. Eventually people are
Speaker 2: going to ask the subjects of these stories about this, right,
Speaker 2: And again, what's so weird is that they that they would,
Speaker 2: you know, ask and he wouldn't even he didn't say it,
Speaker 2: and they still say that he said it. And this
Speaker 2: gets to part of my thesis of why Hulk himself
Speaker 2: always severely underplayed this part of his career in life
Speaker 2: is it's because it puts a date specific on how
Speaker 2: long back prior from a prior use copyright perspective, he
Speaker 2: was out there calling himself the Hulk. And we know
Speaker 2: from from court filings that Marvel had a copyright on
Speaker 2: The Incredible Hulk since May twelfth, nineteen seventy. Republications, Books,
Speaker 2: magazine Stories, they had a copyright since nineteen sixty three
Speaker 2: on just the word Hulk in publications, they had a
Speaker 2: copyright since eighty three for Hulk for toys, games, and
Speaker 2: play things, which is going to be a problem when
Speaker 2: a certain company wants to start, yeah, marketing toys and things.
Speaker 2: But going all the way back to even the sixties,
Speaker 2: they have a claimer in this name, of course, like.
Speaker 3: If you have a plus the host did my job
Speaker 3: for me. Gosh, you said your arms are so much
Speaker 3: bigger than his and looks as if you arm wrestled
Speaker 3: him and you break his arm. Actually, lou Forrigno was
Speaker 3: an unbelievable, unbelievable specimen, a real dedicated bodybuilder, and his
Speaker 3: arms were in much better shape than mine. But I
Speaker 3: had more bulk on me, and my clothes were probably tighter,
Speaker 3: so I looked larger. And that night when I got
Speaker 3: to the arena and went back to the locker room,
Speaker 3: all the boys started to call me Hulk, and they
Speaker 3: said they saw me on television. I was bigger than
Speaker 3: Lou Forigno, and the name just stuck, just stuck.
Speaker 2: Whenever someone says just stuck, it's always false. It's such
Speaker 2: a bold just stick, give me a break. So I mean,
Speaker 2: for what it's worth, Meltzer said in his obituary on Hogan,
Speaker 2: this was totally made up, Like this is just not
Speaker 2: not something that happened. And again, it's just you would
Speaker 2: think if it did, we would have heard about it.
Speaker 2: And even if it did, there's no way he wasn't
Speaker 2: being called the Hulk before this. And if you want
Speaker 2: proof to that degree, why don't we just turn to
Speaker 2: the folder boss. I mean, let's start marching through some
Speaker 2: of these materials that we have to present to the
Speaker 2: solar system. This is March twenty second of seventy nine. Okay,
Speaker 2: who's coming in? Why don't you read this article from
Speaker 2: the Panama City, Florida News Herald, Sunday, March eighteenth, nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy nine, Sunday, March very first one. You see right
Speaker 2: there in the Alabama twenty second That's what I meant.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Oh okay, okay, yep. Ken Lucas Hulk on
Speaker 3: Wrestling Bill Hulk Es yep. Some new faces, including the
Speaker 3: Hulk six foot six inch, two hundred and ninety nine
Speaker 3: pound wrestler, will be on next Thursday Night's card at
Speaker 3: Bowl Air Wrestling Arena. Ken Lucas an old favorite, we'll
Speaker 3: be back in action here. He is remembered by many
Speaker 3: fans as one of the best grapplers ever to hit
Speaker 3: this section. The main event will be a Death Texas
Speaker 3: Deaf Match notice qualification between two masked men, The Rough
Speaker 3: Gladiator and the and the Wrestling Pro. These are all
Speaker 3: fucking great names. Wrestling Pro Ken Lucas Gladiator, the Rough
Speaker 3: Gladiator and the Wrestling Pro who prefers to wrestle clean
Speaker 3: falls will not count in this match, which will end
Speaker 3: only when one of the two men is unable to continue.
Speaker 3: A tag match between will Pit the Rough team of David,
Speaker 3: Doctor d Schultz and pretty Boy Wayne Ferris Oh against
Speaker 3: Lucas and Norville Austin. Yes, there will be a special
Speaker 3: challenge match between Terry Latham brother and the Rugged Eddie Sullivan.
Speaker 2: So Wayne Ferrow, what's that way? But no talking about
Speaker 2: who the Hulk is facing though I doubt it's just
Speaker 2: the Hulk is going to be there and it doesn't
Speaker 2: say Terry Boulder. So if you're going to tell me that, yeah,
Speaker 2: he came up with the Hulk name after because he
Speaker 2: was on this talk show and he came in as
Speaker 2: Terry Boulder, then what this is the earliest you'll see
Speaker 2: any reference in any database Terry Bully A wrestling in Alabama.
Speaker 2: There's a contemporaries news clipping right here of the show,
Speaker 2: and they call him the Hulk. Okay, it's extremely clear
Speaker 2: what it is they're doing them. They're using this this
Speaker 2: mark without any permission whatsoever and running away with it.
Speaker 2: And that's going to catch up to them eventually. Not them,
Speaker 2: that is to say, but Hulk as he tries to
Speaker 2: continue building a multi million dollar enterprise and franchise around
Speaker 2: this name without ever bothering to see if Marvel has.
Speaker 3: A problem with it. Yep, better believe they will.
Speaker 2: Of course, The Wrestling Pro was their masked version of
Speaker 2: you know, mister Wrestling or whatever you want to say,
Speaker 2: the highly technical masked babyface that most territories seem to
Speaker 2: have a version of the grappler.
Speaker 3: With another one. Fucking funny. This is hilarious, Like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm having this masked. I mean, honestly, it's no different
Speaker 3: than doink, right, you know, it's the same fucking thing,
Speaker 3: the clown who can fucking wrestle, let's take it. It
Speaker 3: sounds like pretty much every wrestler to the next next week,
Speaker 3: I believe. The next clipping we have here, this is
Speaker 3: also from the News Herald in Panama City and it's
Speaker 3: March twentieth, seventy nine. Let me read it please? Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: wrestling title about tonight, Norville, Austin popular the wrestling fans
Speaker 3: in these parts will try to dislodge David Doctor D
Speaker 3: Schultz from his Gulf Coast Heavyweight Championship belt. In one
Speaker 3: of the main events tonight at Bowl Air Wrestling Arena,
Speaker 3: a six man tag team will be a co feature.
Speaker 3: It will pit Rip Tyler, Eddie Sullivan and the Masked
Speaker 3: Gladiator against the people's choice of Ricky Fields, Terry Latham
Speaker 3: and Roy Welch. The wrestling pro will take on the
Speaker 3: Hulk what six six and seventy five pound Mammoth in
Speaker 3: a challenge match.
Speaker 2: Two hundred and seventy five pound Mammoth is Advertisemoth the Hulk.
Speaker 3: That's it. The Hulk Ben Alexander will wrestle Pretty Boy Ferris,
Speaker 3: and there will be another match beginning at eight pm.
Speaker 2: Be there, indeed, Pretty Boy Wayne Ferris of course the
Speaker 2: future Hunky tonk Man. Yes, we'll also wrestle in this
Speaker 2: territory as Punk Rock Wayne Ferris, which is a hilarious event.
Speaker 3: That's a very fucking funny, funny thing to think about.
Speaker 3: Punk Rock Wayne Ferris. That's wild.
Speaker 2: As we'll talk about further, this is where hul Cogan
Speaker 2: met David Schultz and formed a friendship that ended up
Speaker 2: having so many different twists and turns and so many
Speaker 2: different ramifications on hul Cogan's life and career, from working
Speaker 2: with Schultz as a top opponent in the AWA to
Speaker 2: Schultz being the one that was out there in front
Speaker 2: of the media cameras when Hulk was denying steroid use
Speaker 2: in ourcineo hall, going on shows like Inside Edition and
Speaker 2: phone and radio shows, talking to pretty much seemed like
Speaker 2: anyone who would listen as he was working on a book,
Speaker 2: and things about how Hulk would shoot up steroids when
Speaker 2: they were friends. Guess where in this territory the Gulf
Speaker 2: Coast or in fact, for a time Hulk Cogan even
Speaker 2: lived with David Schultz and in exchange for what you'd ask, well,
Speaker 2: not exactly rent money. Yes, according to David Schultz. As
Speaker 2: we'll get to, so you're trying to see this is
Speaker 2: the first time ever that newspaper readers would start to
Speaker 2: hear about the Hulk and think about Terry Bolea is massive.
Speaker 2: This is South Eastern Championship wrestling. That's pretty much the
Speaker 2: the go to market name of the territory. And so
Speaker 2: while we've got to quin ourselves, we've got to do this.
Speaker 2: It's got to be done. Even though very limited footage exists.
Speaker 2: Here's what it would have sounded like when folks PLoP
Speaker 2: down in front of their TV and mobile or Montgomery
Speaker 2: or I don't know, how about a little uh dothan
Speaker 2: oh yet to take it in.
Speaker 6: South Eastern Championship rustlay handle waders and television wrestling with let's.
Speaker 4: Grant Instant and other technical persons.
Speaker 6: In the program, A number one by the Wrestling Whitiers
Speaker 6: Federation Join us Now, or a fast faced competition the
Speaker 6: Professional Wrestling Patraul topspuires from the world's largest governing body,
Speaker 6: the National Wrestling Alliance.
Speaker 2: So that's fucking amazing nowhere in the seventies, I mean.
Speaker 3: A South Eastern Championship Rusty just.
Speaker 2: That, you know, join us who is just some guy,
Speaker 2: like some pro voiceover guy. He doesn't have to sound
Speaker 2: like people in the market do. It's about polish, it's
Speaker 2: about sounding like big time TV even in a small
Speaker 2: time market. And yeah, it's brilliant, and yeah they had
Speaker 2: a lot of from what I was gathering and listening,
Speaker 2: it sounds like they had a lot of those world
Speaker 2: class streaks of like you know, doing some innovative things
Speaker 2: around producing like split screen. There are a couple of
Speaker 2: things that they would do in the Southeastern TV shows that,
Speaker 2: at least to hear Ron Fuller tell it, were innovations
Speaker 2: and televised wrestling, and we'll get into more of those
Speaker 2: as we go. So March twenty second, nineteen seventy nine,
Speaker 2: Panama City, and you saw the clippings there that speak
Speaker 2: to it. It's pretty much considered Hulk Cogan's first match
Speaker 2: back in the wrestling business after the short lived Florida
Speaker 2: run that we've talked about. It was against Ben Alexander
Speaker 2: win or unknown. But Ron Fuller now is going to
Speaker 2: be in control of this guy's career. And fortunately for Hulk,
Speaker 2: Ron has a history with Andre the Giant as well.
Speaker 2: They had teamed together in the past. Andre had gone
Speaker 2: to work for offices operated by him and his brother
Speaker 2: and his father in touring the country and Andre had
Speaker 2: a respect from Ron Fuller and this would definitely help
Speaker 2: when it comes to matching up this young kid Terry
Speaker 2: Bolea with an opponent that would, by God define his
Speaker 2: whole cash cow. I mean, yeah right, his whole fucking
Speaker 2: rezon Deetra was to work against Andre the Giant and
Speaker 2: the fact that Andre the Giant saw in this massive
Speaker 2: hulk a guy that actually could present a physical, credible
Speaker 2: threat to him in the eyes of the wrestling fan,
Speaker 2: which is very important because Andrea almost always worked as
Speaker 2: a baby face, and when you're a babyface, you are
Speaker 2: always looking out for heels. They can get heat on
Speaker 2: you even though you're that size. And so another great
Speaker 2: serendipity in terms of when he decided to lean back
Speaker 2: into pro wrestling is it was at the time not
Speaker 2: only that Louis Tilllette was taking the book and things
Speaker 2: were changing over there, but also that Andre was interested
Speaker 2: in helping out a territory that was really small compared
Speaker 2: to some of the other buildings he would work because
Speaker 2: of his relationship with Ron Fuller and his interest in
Speaker 2: working with someone of that size, and Louis to let
Speaker 2: knowing Andre well enough to frame it that way in
Speaker 2: terms of why eventually he might want to come down
Speaker 2: here at Alabama and I give this Terry Buley a whirl,
Speaker 2: but to get a little bit more on Ron Fuller
Speaker 2: and how he came across in the territory. We're going
Speaker 2: to convey a little bit of a tape here. This
Speaker 2: is Ron Fuller in studio with the voice of Southeastern Wrestling.
Speaker 2: His name was Charlie Platt. You can think of him
Speaker 2: as as the Gordon Soley or the Caddle of the Territory,
Speaker 2: the the trod Guard, or even the gene Oakerland. He's
Speaker 2: the guy at the studio desk monitoring affairs, and here
Speaker 2: he is talking to Ron Fuller in characters the Tennessee stud.
Speaker 9: Oh, there's a mask in his hand, and quite frankly,
Speaker 9: I'm sure that the audience in many fans would like
Speaker 9: to know why you're appearing today as Ron Fuller.
Speaker 10: Well, Charlie, i'd like to Let's let's start off with that.
Speaker 10: I was in the came back into the Southeastern area
Speaker 10: after losing the Loser League Town. I wore the mask
Speaker 10: until my time had expired. I can legally wrestle in
Speaker 10: the Southeastern areas Ron Fuller from this point on, however,
Speaker 10: I'm not going to wrestle as Ron Fuller. I'm going
Speaker 10: to continue to wrestle as a Tennessee stud I've got
Speaker 10: my reasons for that, and I'm not going into that
Speaker 10: right now.
Speaker 3: I will say this.
Speaker 10: Though, that I've worn the mask several times in my career.
Speaker 10: I've never had anyone take this mask off my faith.
Speaker 10: If anyone does take this mask off in any place
Speaker 10: in the Southeastern area at any time whatsoever, for any reason,
Speaker 10: if they're able to remove this mask from my face
Speaker 10: and the match, I will leave the Southeastern area immediately.
Speaker 10: And that's my word on that. Now. Secondly, let's go
Speaker 10: into something that's more important to me than wearing the
Speaker 10: mask right now. My brother's in the hospital. He's not
Speaker 10: gonna be wrestling for a while. He's had a concussion.
Speaker 10: Not only that, he has a neck injury. He's in
Speaker 10: bad shape. And it's because of two gentlemen, and that's
Speaker 10: Arnt Anderson and Jerry Stubbs, and you could say Sonny
Speaker 10: King too, because the three men, and I've had calls
Speaker 10: for everybody all over the country. I've chosen myself a
Speaker 10: special partner for an upcoming match, and I'm very happy
Speaker 10: with the partner I have.
Speaker 9: Charlie, we're talking about the eighth Wonder of the World,
Speaker 9: Andre the John A handicap matchup coming in the arena
Speaker 9: this week today.
Speaker 2: There you go, so Ron with Andre and yes that
Speaker 2: is that Arn Anderson. He in fact broke in. His
Speaker 2: first territory in the business was Gulf Coast down in Alabama,
Speaker 2: trained under a wrestler they had there by the name of,
Speaker 2: I believe Terry Allen, but not magnantier Terry Allen. Another
Speaker 2: one interesting yep. So he came up through that circuit
Speaker 2: as well, and it was a great place to learn
Speaker 2: because it wasn't beamed out across its own borders. You know,
Speaker 2: It's like Portland in that regard. You know, you could
Speaker 2: find yourself, you could make some mistakes, you could just
Speaker 2: get the reps in to be successful in the bigger territories.
Speaker 2: They had the studio format, you can practice promos with
Speaker 2: the studio audience. They had the turnaround from the studio
Speaker 2: television show to draw people into the building that night.
Speaker 2: Just like you know, whenever we go back and look
Speaker 2: at territories, we're always so amazed. Like you know, you
Speaker 2: watch TBS and then you go to the Omni that night,
Speaker 2: you know, and what happened on TBS is a last
Speaker 2: ditch effort to get you to buy a ticket to
Speaker 2: just run out of the house and get there.
Speaker 3: It's fucking great. That's how it was.
Speaker 2: Guys like Bullet Barb Armstrong and his family of course
Speaker 2: Road Dog's dad, they're all over this area as well
Speaker 2: and are central to the wrestling identity of the region.
Speaker 2: You heard him name drop arn Anderson and under the
Speaker 2: Giant here's and you could tell too, he's very much
Speaker 2: Ron Fuller in that gimmick there, in that voice. He's
Speaker 2: very much like the straight laced Jack Brisco style seventies babyface,
Speaker 2: ernest to light. He's not screaming and hollering and pointed
Speaker 2: at the at the camera. You know, he's everything that
Speaker 2: Dusty was able to stand out in such great contrast to,
Speaker 2: you know, as a baby face. And then Billy graanmt's
Speaker 2: case is a heel. And the reason those guys stood
Speaker 2: out of such wild, colorful characters is most people sounded,
Speaker 2: including the top guys, like Ron Fuller did in that
Speaker 2: promo right there. That's kind of sit down, hyper serious
Speaker 2: sportsmanlike sound. But he's out for revenge. And this is
Speaker 2: what it would have sounded like hearing the plugging of
Speaker 2: the live shows off the TV down in Gulf Coast.
Speaker 2: As I mentioned at the time, this is of course
Speaker 2: before hul Cogan's arrival there Terry Bullay's arrival, but it
Speaker 2: features a series of names you might recognize as we
Speaker 2: continue to acquaint ourselves with the sights and sounds of
Speaker 2: the territory that Terry first broke out.
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Speaker 2: A lot of names you recognized in there. Jock Awkwrus show,
Speaker 2: Jimmy Golden was in fact the future Bunk house Buck,
Speaker 2: a cousin cousin of the Fullers slash well right, well,
Speaker 2: he's in the mix as well. I do think that
Speaker 2: the Sterling Golden name was kind of a almost like
Speaker 2: how Billy Graham was like loosely affiliated with Luke Graham
Speaker 2: and doctor Jerry Graham. He's kind of introduced as like
Speaker 2: a distant relative of the Grahams or something, and it
Speaker 2: kind of fell off as the time went. I think
Speaker 2: Sterling Golden was supposed to be associated with Jimmy Golden
Speaker 2: and family. I think wasn't just because he had yellow hair,
Speaker 2: but that if those representations were made to the fans,
Speaker 2: they melted away very very quickly. Interesting that wasn't part
Speaker 2: of the presentation for very long. But here on his podcast,
Speaker 2: Ron Fuller talks in a bit greater detail about what
Speaker 2: it was that made this Terry Boley special in his eyes.
Speaker 4: Well, Terry Bollia in the future Hulk Hogan. You know,
Speaker 4: he had a unique body. Obviously, he had muscles on
Speaker 4: top of muscles man, and he had an nate, very
Speaker 4: rare charisma about him that you know, you just can't
Speaker 4: teach that to somebody. You know, he either got it
Speaker 4: a you don't. And he had this mooming voice and
Speaker 4: had an attitude that was perfect for a heel or
Speaker 4: a babyface. Once you got him over as an attorneyan babyface, Wow,
Speaker 4: it works there too. So something about him was special
Speaker 4: of the fans from the first time they saw him. Man,
Speaker 4: and he is going to go on to become maybe
Speaker 4: the most recognizable professional wrestler in the history of the sport. Undoubtedly.
Speaker 4: I don't believe there's anybody that'd argue with that.
Speaker 2: There you go, and we'll get to it. He'll eventually
Speaker 2: acknowledge that lu Frigno ripping off Luffrigno was the motivation
Speaker 2: for the name. But there's what he's seeing in the
Speaker 2: Terry Boleya.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 2: Rod Fuller had been the owner of the territory for
Speaker 2: only four years when Terry Bullya came in, and he
Speaker 2: bought it at only thirty one years of age, So
Speaker 2: that was very young for a guy to be running
Speaker 2: a territory at a time when that was a it
Speaker 2: was kind of like a cushy thing with the NWA
Speaker 2: overlay keeping competitors out. But my God, is being that
Speaker 2: young and having all the money in the controllery make
Speaker 2: other people want to challenge you and make other people
Speaker 2: want to make it seem like you don't know what
Speaker 2: they're doing so they can try to move in and
Speaker 2: take over your territory. And Ron Fuller would not only
Speaker 2: feel that pressure, he would feel it in nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: nine at the precise time that Terry Boleya is starting
Speaker 2: to show incredible returns at the box office, and Ron
Speaker 2: Fuller's attention is anywhere, but he really can't even afford
Speaker 2: to focus on it because people are coming for the throne.
Speaker 2: They're coming for his territory. They're running oppositioned him in Knoxville,
Speaker 2: and that's where all of his attention will go. And
Speaker 2: a lot of those people that are doing that to
Speaker 2: Ron Fuller are people that were in and around the
Speaker 2: Florida territory when Terry Bulla first broke in down there.
Speaker 2: A lot of them are wrestlers who would come into
Speaker 2: the Imperial Room when Terry was up there with the
Speaker 2: bass guitar. So it's a small world, indeed, and I
Speaker 2: believe loyalties will be tested in that regard. But it's
Speaker 2: important to know that about Ron Fuller. The TV show
Speaker 2: would hit Doth in his mentioned Montgomery, it would hit Mobile,
Speaker 2: eventually would hit Birmingham, Alabama.
Speaker 3: That would be not for a while though.
Speaker 2: It would emanate out of a small studio of a
Speaker 2: television station called w tv Y and Doth in Alabama,
Speaker 2: south eastern Gulf Coast. Unbelievable. So we're gonna go to
Speaker 2: the book here Terry Bolea writing about this time and
Speaker 2: hitting the road. This is going to be kind of
Speaker 2: a compendium of things he said in both of his books.
Speaker 2: To get us acquainted, brute Is and I looked a
Speaker 2: lot alike after our year in Cocoa Beach. We both
Speaker 2: had blonde hair, we both had mustaches, we both we
Speaker 2: were both juiced up musclemen. So we started wrestling as
Speaker 2: the Boulder Brothers, you know, Terry Boulder and Ed Boulder,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people assumed we were really brothers,
Speaker 2: and we were certainly as close as brothers. Traveling around
Speaker 2: the Alabama territory was fun at first, you know, we
Speaker 2: get to the arenas early and I'll take Brutus into
Speaker 2: the ring to teach him the ropes. So we taught
Speaker 2: him on the fucking road.
Speaker 3: Yeah, here we go again. Right, did did he fucking
Speaker 3: smarten him up before?
Speaker 8: Or what?
Speaker 3: When did he smart him up?
Speaker 4: Is?
Speaker 3: And I know where?
Speaker 7: What? When?
Speaker 2: How am I the only person that cares about when? Like,
Speaker 2: isn't that a huge fucking question? Why can isn't it?
Speaker 2: Isn't it the question?
Speaker 3: I would think so honestly, Like it should be the
Speaker 3: least one of using one When exactly when? Is the
Speaker 3: most important anything, frustrating, any difficult question answers? It regards
Speaker 3: the clowns, any anything when it comes to these fucking clowns.
Speaker 3: When is always the problem unless it's on film and
Speaker 3: like timestamped, like no one can agree on even men,
Speaker 3: No one fucking knows. Even then they fucking lie, grab
Speaker 3: three or four of the other wrestlers and would show
Speaker 3: him how to work a match, how to fall without
Speaker 3: killing yourself. I don't make it look like you were
Speaker 3: wrenching a guy's arm without actually snapping his wrists or
Speaker 3: breaking his elbow. That's actually not that hard, you know that,
Speaker 3: that's actually one of the easier ones. You know, you
Speaker 3: just you don't even hold onto his fucking wrist, like
Speaker 3: there's nothing there, Uh Louis to lay locked us and
Speaker 3: put us out there seven days a week. But we
Speaker 3: were hardly making any money, only take home twenty five
Speaker 3: or thirty dollars a night. So rather than waste our
Speaker 3: dough on hotels, the two of us just slept in
Speaker 3: my van. It was carpeted and had a loft bed
Speaker 3: where I could where I would sleep, had a fucking
Speaker 3: kitchen it brother you know, had a gas stove. Yeah right,
Speaker 3: Brutus had full plumbing. Brother at two you know it
Speaker 3: is a two bath. There's a three bedroom, two bath van. Brother,
Speaker 3: that's a huge van. And then lived in a van.
Speaker 3: I mean, think about Hogan and Eddie Boulder. How the
Speaker 3: fuck they fit? I know, all juice, these gargantuan men,
Speaker 3: A couple of Tampa boys, bacon in the fucking mobile,
Speaker 3: Alabama son living in a van, work in the territory.
Speaker 3: I picture them like, you know, can you imagine on
Speaker 3: the side of the van. They've got like beach chairs,
Speaker 3: and they got those you know, they get those uh
Speaker 3: the way like a trig like a or a big
Speaker 3: green egg. Yeah, and they got those those those uh
Speaker 3: what do you call like like foil like things, you know,
Speaker 3: they get the reflector them for their tamming. Yeah, they're
Speaker 3: sitting out there leaning back. Oh my god, I would
Speaker 3: have you know. That happened every fucking day. The two
Speaker 3: was just sleep in the van that was carbon and
Speaker 3: Moa Bruce was settled on the end on the floor.
Speaker 3: Is how do you have a loft bed in a
Speaker 3: fucking van? Can you can someone?
Speaker 2: I don't know if I call it loft And I've
Speaker 2: seen bunk bed style inside a like an r V trailer,
Speaker 2: but not a.
Speaker 3: Van, right right, Like if you're talking about a van,
Speaker 3: like I'm trying to think carpeting, how do you fit
Speaker 3: like to me? To have a bed even have to
Speaker 3: have a a a single bed, you know, like a
Speaker 3: dorm sized, normal sized person for a normal sized person,
Speaker 3: that's gonna take up the whole fucking van, the big
Speaker 3: the whole back of the van, A big van, like
Speaker 3: a human trafficking van. I mean, I guess, but Jesus Christ,
Speaker 3: I mean, what does he fucking got a U haul
Speaker 3: or something? Maybe that's what it is. You know, it's
Speaker 3: perfectly comfortable for a while. Now. Pensacola Beach was central
Speaker 3: to just about all the venues we hit, so We
Speaker 3: parked the van right there most knights and basically made
Speaker 3: that parking lot our home. You know, there were public restrooms,
Speaker 3: so we had to place to shower, ship ship the
Speaker 3: place to ship right, oh, total place shower, ship and
Speaker 3: shave in the mornings. There was a great little all
Speaker 3: you can eat restaurant nearby too. Man, they were scared
Speaker 3: when they saw me and walking out about food. By
Speaker 3: the way, he was basically that guy in bigger, faster
Speaker 3: strunger who lives in the fucking Venice Golds Gym parking lot. Yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 3: I mean listen, they were they these people were as
Speaker 3: scared of Hulk Hogan and Brutus beef Cake as the
Speaker 3: as the the Boulder Colorado Taco bell is scared of
Speaker 3: fucking Vader. Yes, all right, you know, I don't know
Speaker 3: if they probably don't throw people like Vader would do,
Speaker 3: but still it would be necessary. It's like they know,
Speaker 3: they know that they're gonna make that they're not gonna
Speaker 3: they're gonna have a bad, a bad day. It's an
Speaker 3: all you can eat restaurant, and these two guys coming
Speaker 3: in the morning. They're shutting down at nine am, solutely
Speaker 3: and they're not making a fucking dime that day, and
Speaker 3: think of how big those guys were, Like, there's no
Speaker 3: way you think you can feed these guys till they're falling.
Speaker 3: You have to Yeah, here, he says, right here, we
Speaker 3: eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner in one sitting. We'd clean
Speaker 3: the place out right exactly so like these people would
Speaker 3: make no money, they'd basically be serving two meals, you know,
Speaker 3: they they you know, all you can eat. That's dangerous
Speaker 3: with these fucking clowns, very dangerous, very dangerous. Don't even
Speaker 3: exists anymore, like the old country buffet set up a No,
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it all you can eat place in
Speaker 3: a long time. No, definitely, definitely, I have not seen
Speaker 3: one post COVID for sure. You know, I imagine a
Speaker 3: lot of I imagine a lot of those places closed
Speaker 3: down during COVID. Absolutely. There are a couple of the
Speaker 3: wrestlers who were living out of their van on that
Speaker 3: beach too. These Simoan guys name often Sika, who became
Speaker 3: known as the Wild Simans years later when we were
Speaker 3: all on TV. They pretended to be these wild brothers
Speaker 3: who were pulled right out of a jungle somewhere to
Speaker 3: wrestle and who couldn't speak English at all. Actually they
Speaker 3: spoke English just fine. I mean, right, that's just fine.
Speaker 3: I mean I don't know, they smoke it completely clearly
Speaker 3: and fluently. Yeah, apparently, you know. And we all became friends,
Speaker 3: you know, just parking our vans by the sand. It
Speaker 3: was a perfect place for Brutus and me to work
Speaker 3: on our tans. I remember that feeling of walking out
Speaker 3: on that sand in the morning, looking on the ocean,
Speaker 3: you know, feeling the wind. Not a bad way to live,
Speaker 3: between wrestling seven days a week, tanning all the time,
Speaker 3: and continuing the steroids off perfect to that bronze god
Speaker 3: a look, oh my god, big super tan guy on
Speaker 3: a beach in Alabama. The golden that golden fucking color.
Speaker 3: All right, just that may just imagine, Like I I
Speaker 3: want to know, I really want to understand the mentality
Speaker 3: of like needing to tan, right, like needing to tan.
Speaker 3: I don't get it. I mean, yes, you know, like
Speaker 3: you go on vacation. It's like, yes, you know, I
Speaker 3: want to get I want I want to I want
Speaker 3: to come back looking like I went on vacation. I
Speaker 3: get it, But like I don't understand this need to
Speaker 3: always be golden tan. And where that comes from.
Speaker 2: I think it comes from like the original Hollywood stars
Speaker 2: being all bronzed because they were in the sun all
Speaker 2: the time, and people associated Hollywood good looks with sun tans.
Speaker 3: I guess, I guess it's so funny. It works, and
Speaker 3: people guess people, I guess it's funny that that people
Speaker 3: people were so obsessed with having a darker shade of skin.
Speaker 3: Yet there's so much racism.
Speaker 2: Well well, especially after so many centuries of that being
Speaker 2: a mark of being a peasant essentially right enough money
Speaker 2: to stay out of the sun, you know.
Speaker 3: Right in the fields. You know, it's like it's just
Speaker 3: so fucking funny, like it's so bizarre to me, Like,
Speaker 3: but oh, it's all California.
Speaker 2: It's all going to be tanned out there, and that's
Speaker 2: where all the bodybuilders were and so they were tan
Speaker 2: as well. And it works, it has, especially if you're working.
Speaker 3: If you are working, you know, muscle Beach, I totally
Speaker 3: get that, because I mean, you're that's an outdoor gym.
Speaker 3: You know, that is an outdoor gym, and that's where
Speaker 3: everyone is at. Sure, I get that.
Speaker 2: I remember Arn Anderson once said it always stuck with me.
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, fat looks better tann And it's true,
Speaker 2: like he was always a guy that was never cut,
Speaker 2: but when he was tan, he didn't look out of shape.
Speaker 2: But if he was pale, he looked like a fat motherfucker. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I look out of shape either way. That doesn't say
Speaker 2: it works for everybody, but I mean it's absolutely true
Speaker 2: that like you look more uh easier on the eye
Speaker 2: when when you're tan. Yeah, we've seen John Dina go
Speaker 2: like like pasty white, and it's it's alarming. It's a
Speaker 2: difficult watch. Yeah, but I also don't consider him to
Speaker 2: be like crazy tan either. You know that's the thing
Speaker 2: about John Cena, Like, I don't think he was ever
Speaker 2: crazy fucking tan. Yeah, he's very few went to the
Speaker 2: degree Hulk did. I mean, very few could if they
Speaker 2: wanted to. I love when he says in his book
Speaker 2: it's because I'm half Pandamanian. It's like your mother was
Speaker 2: not from Panama. She lived there, Panama Canal Project. She
Speaker 2: fu you can't you can't clean, you can't clean Panamanian.
Speaker 3: The fact that he.
Speaker 2: Said that so fucking ridiculous. It's like it's so your
Speaker 2: dad's Italian blood, Like, why is it right? Why are
Speaker 2: you trying to run away from that? I don't get
Speaker 2: it right. Well, what Vince told me to do, I
Speaker 2: see to to be irish brother. Yeah right, it'srobably true.
Speaker 2: He didn't want to be too much like Bruno. Didn't
Speaker 2: surprise me. If that was part of the calculus, that's
Speaker 2: probably true too. Yeah, that's a good point that they
Speaker 2: looked gave me just a little something extra in the
Speaker 2: wrestling ring. You know, technically I wasn't the best wrestler.
Speaker 2: I wasn't quick, wasn't athletic. I understand, Yes, you are athletic, right,
Speaker 2: I mean that's you have to be. Like even even
Speaker 2: the most grotesque fat guys in the business are fucking athletic.
Speaker 2: You know, you can't fuck hit the ropes up the
Speaker 2: athletic sports like the sports you didn't play. I know,
Speaker 2: I know, seems fucking weird, these weird lies. They fucking
Speaker 2: tell when I couldn't jump off the top ropes, which
Speaker 2: I've seen him do, I know?
Speaker 3: Right. Yeah. On the other hand, I wasn't in an
Speaker 3: old fashioned, thick headed fat wrestler either. I was right
Speaker 3: in between. And the more I wrestled, the more I
Speaker 3: developed my own style. In fact, it was right during
Speaker 3: the time that this time I s heard of using
Speaker 3: the leg drop to finish off my opponents. The crowds
Speaker 3: went nuts for it. I don't understand this is a
Speaker 3: late drop. I guess was it a big deal? I mean,
Speaker 3: just can't. It's a funny move for.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, that's bullshit too, because his first finisher was
Speaker 2: the bear hug Well on the late drop we did.
Speaker 2: We did surmise on one of our last episodes that
Speaker 2: maybe because apparently Wolfman Smith, the guy he replaced in
Speaker 2: his first match, used the leg drop, that Terry just
Speaker 2: adopted it.
Speaker 3: But I don't think so. And this is from Hogan
Speaker 3: Book one. I got to be real good friends with
Speaker 3: him because Edda, Lelie and I would sleep in my
Speaker 3: van on the beach in pat penc to Cola owing
Speaker 3: something in a van in a van there too. We're
Speaker 3: all sleeping on the beach because we didn't have the
Speaker 3: money to pay for a hotel room. We'd get up
Speaker 3: in the morning and use a public shower as a
Speaker 3: shower and shave not shit apparently, and hang out on
Speaker 3: the beach until three or four o'clock. Then we would
Speaker 3: drive the New Brunswick or Mobile or Montgomery or wherever
Speaker 3: we were wrestling that Matt Night, small territory, just a
Speaker 3: couple one hundred miles each way, so I didn't take
Speaker 3: so it didn't take more than a few hours to
Speaker 3: get to the venue. Did you imagine going to the
Speaker 3: building seeing this guy under the lights, looking like a superstar,
Speaker 3: looking like a fucking god among men, and he's living
Speaker 3: in a van on the beach. He has no apartment,
Speaker 3: he has no home. I mean, that's you know, to
Speaker 3: imagine any of these guys who you're paying money to see.
Speaker 3: Whenever you pay money to see somebody, it's really weird
Speaker 3: to me. To me, it's always a weird, even even
Speaker 3: when you consider, honestly, when you consider any job, any
Speaker 3: job that requires you to pay to see somebody, it
Speaker 3: is a wild thing to consider that they don't have
Speaker 3: but they don't make enough money doing that to really
Speaker 3: live a life. I mean, even going to regional theater shows,
Speaker 3: it's like you're paying to see these actors perform for
Speaker 3: the circus, but most of them are not living. Oh god,
Speaker 3: they don't even fucking I mean, that's even a whole
Speaker 3: other fucking shit show. I mean, Jesus Christ, the circus
Speaker 3: is a scary fucking thing, folks. I you know, we
Speaker 3: went I went to I went to a circus show. Recently,
Speaker 3: like within the last couple of years. We took we
Speaker 3: took my kid and some friends to go to the
Speaker 3: circus in uh, like where was it? The Big Apple
Speaker 3: Circus is a big Apple circus still going around. I
Speaker 3: think it was a Big Apple Circus because they were
Speaker 3: at Lincoln Center, all right, And I don't know if
Speaker 3: you've been to the circus, Like, yeah, it's like it's
Speaker 3: amazing and what they've done to the show. They've made
Speaker 3: it this thing, but it's also like still sad and pathetic.
Speaker 3: Yess correct, because like they're now they're now kind of
Speaker 3: glamorizing this completely pathetic. I mean, wrestlers are not to
Speaker 3: there's a reason that Wringling Brothers is the comp right right, No, listen,
Speaker 3: it's like because like, but but you're you're and as
Speaker 3: a part of me that totally understands. I mean, look,
Speaker 3: these people have found a family and they found the
Speaker 3: people that they can you know, they can they can succeed,
Speaker 3: So God bless them for that good. Good for you.
Speaker 3: I'm not, but like it's also still like this, this
Speaker 3: this like this is your hope and dream is being
Speaker 3: in the circus, and it's like, okay, like I don't know,
Speaker 3: they're they're they're it's mean, it's mean to say this,
Speaker 3: but it is. There's just a sadness to it. When
Speaker 3: you kind of look at the people who are doing this,
Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, I mean, this is the best you
Speaker 3: can do. So as you consider some of the risks.
Speaker 3: I know, and I think about it, I mean, I
Speaker 3: want to know where they're living. I want to see
Speaker 3: what they're foud away to see it, all right. I
Speaker 3: want to see because I know circus is a is
Speaker 3: a non union job. There is no protection whatsoever. See you,
Speaker 3: I'm like, no way, man, As far as I know
Speaker 3: it's an on union job. I can't imagine that this
Speaker 3: fucking circus is a union job. I think setting it
Speaker 3: up is probably an union job. But performing I imagine, yes,
Speaker 3: I imagine the people who are who are building that.
Speaker 3: You have to have union guys building up all your
Speaker 3: fucking sets and your tents and whatever. But to actually
Speaker 3: fucking do it, I don't. I can't imagine that being
Speaker 3: a union job. I can't imagine a union wanted to
Speaker 3: cover that ship A good look at health insurance too, exactly,
Speaker 3: I walk on, yeah, exactly, you know, and I mean,
Speaker 3: you know it's a you know you you look at
Speaker 3: you look at an actor on in regional production of
Speaker 3: a show. You know, there they come from out of town.
Speaker 3: Oh we got New York actors going to go to Alabama.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh my god, look at this like the
Speaker 3: works it does. But then you look at the fact
Speaker 3: that you're not making enough money to fucking live off
Speaker 3: of that. Even if you were making if you were
Speaker 3: making like they couldn't, you wouldn't. You wouldn't get it.
Speaker 3: They wouldn't they wouldn't be hiring people. They couldn't afford
Speaker 3: to pay people what they what it's it's awful, That's
Speaker 3: how right. That's exactly what I'm talking about. That's what
Speaker 3: That's what it is like. You know, these people going
Speaker 3: to these matches and they're seeing it. And again I
Speaker 3: think it has to do with I'm paying to see you, right,
Speaker 3: I'm giving you my money, so you must be living
Speaker 3: a great lifestyle. And granted Hogan saying he was it
Speaker 3: was very it was very free. It was a choice
Speaker 3: of van. Right, he didn't have a choice living out
Speaker 3: of his van with a fucking roommate. Nonetheless in his
Speaker 3: fucking vant to him right exactly, like like, come on,
Speaker 3: it's it's just like, I don't know, it's a it's
Speaker 3: a very it's such a such a fascinating it's more
Speaker 3: of the facade, it is exactly. That's part of the
Speaker 3: hustle is making it seem like these people are larger
Speaker 3: than life, and in factually they're barely living their life
Speaker 3: and they're actually making less than the people who think
Speaker 3: they're making a millionaires. It the people buying the tickets
Speaker 3: are more likely making more money. That's why they need you.
Speaker 2: If they're making more than you, they wouldn't have to
Speaker 2: beg you to come to the arena and cut promos
Speaker 2: like act like their life is on the line every
Speaker 2: single week. That's it's amazing. And you know one thing
Speaker 2: I didn't appreciate either, is how far back he went
Speaker 2: with the Samoans. That's actually huge when you think about
Speaker 2: future you know, lineage in future generations of the family.
Speaker 2: And look why he probably didn't hesitate to say, fine,
Speaker 2: I'll put yoko over them out of here. I'm not
Speaker 2: putting bread over I'll put yoko over the ties that
Speaker 2: bind are all starting to set in right here. Honky
Speaker 2: tonk Kayne Ferris follows him to WWF. Doctor d David
Speaker 2: Schultz gets some a job in WWF from the beginning
Speaker 2: awa as well, it gets Beefcake a job, follows him
Speaker 2: right in the door. There's a couple of other guys
Speaker 2: that are going to come through the territory that he
Speaker 2: looks out for. Randy Coley is one of them, future Moondog,
Speaker 2: who he worked with and who actually testified in the
Speaker 2: steroid trial, and who even as according to Meltzer told
Speaker 2: her of much Nick that Hulk was his fucking hook
Speaker 2: up for whatever he needed when he was in the
Speaker 2: Gulf Coast area. It's not just David Schling this and
Speaker 2: many others. So Hulk's starting to build these relationships too.
Speaker 2: In Pensacola, of course, being the heart of this territory,
Speaker 2: or at the heart, but a key stop in this territory.
Speaker 2: Roman Reigns is from Pensacola, and that's because the whole
Speaker 2: family coalesced around this territory and the very very beginning
Speaker 2: stages of their wrestling careers often SICCA and so there's
Speaker 2: a lot to be said about that. And the fact
Speaker 2: that they were not just working in the same territory
Speaker 2: but kind of like I guess, roommates, just not they
Speaker 2: didn't live in an actual building, they didn't live in
Speaker 2: an actual enclosure says a lot too. And Beefcake's gonna
Speaker 2: have some great color also about life in the van
Speaker 2: with the Samoans. But are you done with your your
Speaker 2: snippet I was trying to follow, Yeah, here, yes, all right,
Speaker 2: here's Beefcake. Pensacola was perfect for us. We pretty much
Speaker 2: were brand new working in the territory. With many shows
Speaker 2: only a few hundred miles away from each other. It
Speaker 2: was a great way to break in because you had
Speaker 2: at least a little time before shows to breathe. Pensacola
Speaker 2: was very unlike Bill Wats's Mid South territory, where you
Speaker 2: were constantly on the run, having to drive all day
Speaker 2: and night to get to the next town. The first
Speaker 2: show we did with the promotion was Panama City. We
Speaker 2: were there on a Thursday night, walking in all excited
Speaker 2: to be finally showing off our new personas some of
Speaker 2: the wrestlers you may have heard of in this territory
Speaker 2: were the Monkey tonk Man, David Schultz, Don Fargo in
Speaker 2: the Wild Samoans. In my very first match, I didn't
Speaker 2: team with Terry just yet. They put Terry out in
Speaker 2: a single spout and they had me tag with a
Speaker 2: guy named Ron Slinker, an ex police officer turned wrestler,
Speaker 2: real nice guy. We worked against the tagson combination of
Speaker 2: Eric the Red an Ox Baker. Wow, another guy he's
Speaker 2: going to very much come into contact with in this
Speaker 2: territory indeed. And so it's important to note that while
Speaker 2: Hogan and Ed arrived together, well, Terry and Ed arrived
Speaker 2: together in Gulf Coast, they weren't aligned as Bolder brothers yet,
Speaker 2: and they weren't even wrestling with each other. In fact,
Speaker 2: if you look at any match listing of Ed Boulder's history,
Speaker 2: he didn't even wrestle in nineteen seventy nine in a
Speaker 2: Golf Coast. He didn't show him at all wrestling there
Speaker 2: until nineteen eighty, after Terry had already moved to New York.
Speaker 2: So it's very confusing to me why these matches seem
Speaker 2: to happen at the same time Before Memphis in Gulf Coast,
Speaker 2: yet there's no evidence of Hulk and had being on
Speaker 2: the same car.
Speaker 3: I know it's so. I mean, I again, only in
Speaker 3: my limited looking through stuff, try to find that fucking Brigno.
Speaker 3: You know that take show, that yeah, that talk show.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, all the there's nothing. There's not
Speaker 3: a mention of Ed Boulder or any other name for
Speaker 3: Brutus Beefcake. I haven't thought he was Eddie Sullivan for
Speaker 3: a second, but he was. That was another guy.
Speaker 2: But I think what it pretty much was was while
Speaker 2: Ed Leslie was on the road with Terry in this territory,
Speaker 2: he wasn't working hardly as much. He was basically learning
Speaker 2: by hanging around. And while he did seem to be
Speaker 2: getting some matches, for whatever reason, they weren't on cards
Speaker 2: that went down in the history books that people actually
Speaker 2: recorded the results of. Because I do believe all this
Speaker 2: stuff about them living in the van together and stuff.
Speaker 2: But if you look at his like wrestling data list
Speaker 2: of matches, he doesn't start wrestling in this territory until
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty. It's not like there's no mention of him
Speaker 2: wrestling in the territory. There's plenty of stuff on him
Speaker 2: working here, it just doesn't start till after Terry leaves.
Speaker 2: You do see him working with Terry in Memphis coincident
Speaker 2: with the Gulf Coast run. At the same time they're
Speaker 2: going back and forth at certain junctures, but nothing really
Speaker 2: like this match doesn't exist in any record. You'll see
Speaker 2: ed Leslie against Eric the Redknox Baker. So it's kind
Speaker 2: of frustrating, but I guess we're just going to have
Speaker 2: to believe that ed Leslie's in the ring and nobody
Speaker 2: recorded a single moment of him. The next night, he writes,
Speaker 2: we finally debuted as our tag team. See that's huge
Speaker 2: to me. How is Terry Boley's record missing the first
Speaker 2: time he teamed with ed Leslie if it wasn't due
Speaker 2: in Alabama?
Speaker 3: Not mentally right. I think there's a chance that D's
Speaker 3: even misremembering this. I would imagine so, or choosing to
Speaker 3: choosing to misremember it.
Speaker 2: At Alabama, we wrestled as Terry and Ed Boulder known
Speaker 2: as the Boulder Brothers. I remember coming to the ring,
Speaker 2: the people ate it up. We had a bunch of
Speaker 2: choreographed double team moves in really good chemistry, very few
Speaker 2: people actually knew our real names outside the promoters we
Speaker 2: worked for. These early matches working as the Boulders were
Speaker 2: so memorable to diehard fans that a rumor started later
Speaker 2: on that hul Coch and British beak Kick were actually brothers.
Speaker 2: Speaking of actual brothers, we got to be really good
Speaker 2: friends with the Samoans Offa and Cicco. They were not
Speaker 2: the crazy monsters like they were depicted on TV. They
Speaker 2: were two big teddy bears. They were in the same
Speaker 2: boat as we were new and broke. None of us
Speaker 2: had any money, but titty bears. Titty bears. Yeah, well
Speaker 2: titty Bear before the surgery. Rock was too That's true.
Speaker 2: We couldn't afford motel rooms like the other guys.
Speaker 3: We didn't need one.
Speaker 2: We had the no tel motel on wheels with us
Speaker 2: everywhere we went. Every night, Terry and I would sleep
Speaker 2: in his finally airbrushed van on the beach in Pensacola,
Speaker 2: and the Mowen slept in their vans too, right next
Speaker 2: to us. In the beginning, it was just survival mode.
Speaker 2: It kind of reminded me of going on those long
Speaker 2: vacation trips with my family as a kid. Every morning
Speaker 2: we would get up. One of us would maybe pound
Speaker 2: in the side of the samo and mobile.
Speaker 3: Imagine, Wow, we'll see if off is up. Brother? Who's up?
Speaker 3: Off of secret? Brother? I don't know, he said, rubbing
Speaker 3: his eyes looking at the van. I don't see him. Uh,
Speaker 3: who's making? Who's making breakfast? Brother? Who something other? Cooking? Dude?
Speaker 3: Who is off of making? Oblin? Smells like it? All right?
Speaker 3: Give me so much open air cooking going on? Oh
Speaker 3: you know, oh my god. You know he's got like
Speaker 3: a fucking you know, portable uh, charcoal grill. He's laying
Speaker 3: down steaks. Brother, you know, Oh, yes he is. You know,
Speaker 3: he fucking is. Boy. You give me steak, dude, Wow,
Speaker 3: go off, give me steak. Amazing, Go go ahead, go go, go, go, go,
Speaker 3: go go.
Speaker 2: Seeing these guys and it's the future. Hold Hogan out
Speaker 2: there on the beach. Yeah, they were stinking, you know,
Speaker 2: like they would shower, but come on, man, the sweat was,
Speaker 2: oh just awful.
Speaker 3: Could not avoid it.
Speaker 2: They were sleeping in the van overnight on the beach
Speaker 2: in Pensacola, for God's sakes.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep.
Speaker 2: They would roll out the van and we would all
Speaker 2: go find something cheap to eat at a diner. After that,
Speaker 2: we would grab our towels and head down to the
Speaker 2: public beach showers to clean up. After the showers, we
Speaker 2: would do whatever we wanted for a bit, and then
Speaker 2: we would leave together to drive to the towns. Since
Speaker 2: I was still pretty green, I like to go to
Speaker 2: the shows a little early to get some practice in.
Speaker 2: Some of the guys would take me in the ring
Speaker 2: and give me some training. The show would go down,
Speaker 2: and could practice some of what I had learned live
Speaker 2: in front of a real audience to perfect my craft.
Speaker 2: After the matches, we would drive back to Pensacola if
Speaker 2: it wasn't too far and we wouldn't stay at Pensacola Beach,
Speaker 2: we would try to park outside a nearby wrestler's house
Speaker 2: after shows. Oh my god, imagine that one who lived
Speaker 2: in the area. One parking spot was outside David Schultz's apartment. Yes,
Speaker 2: he was cool. He let us come in whenever we
Speaker 2: wanted in case we had to poop. Hmmm, even let
Speaker 2: us use it. It comes back to food or poop
Speaker 2: apparently every time. Even let us use his shower in
Speaker 2: a while if we were in a hurry when there
Speaker 2: was no local wrestler in the area. We would leave
Speaker 2: the arena and then just sleep in our vans in
Speaker 2: a random parking lot somewhere. Hulk Hogan, Okay, wowing the dream. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: David Schltz has a lot of memories of this particular pot.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: I'm sure.
Speaker 2: As he was Southeastern efyweight champ, he was a pushed heel.
Speaker 2: He was like the top heel really in the territory
Speaker 2: when Terry Bullay at first showed up. And it wasn't
Speaker 2: it wasn't just out of the kindness of his heart
Speaker 2: that he was welcoming the boulders into his apartment here
Speaker 2: in Pensacola. Here he is on the infamous Inside Edition
Speaker 2: interview explaining exactly what the quid pro quote was.
Speaker 4: Let him sleep in the house.
Speaker 3: I gave him food, and in returns he gave me steroids.
Speaker 3: He showed me how to use steroids. Yes he did, Yes,
Speaker 3: he did. Hey show me how to do steroids. Now
Speaker 3: let me tell me how to do need a lot
Speaker 3: of my butt? Would you admit her form? Because he's
Speaker 3: so big, he can't even know he's so swore. Oh well,
Speaker 3: sometimes it's sometimes I got to help him out to
Speaker 3: stick a meat on his ass. Sometimes have you nailed
Speaker 3: the boss? Here he is talking to Hannibal when he's
Speaker 3: a meeting Koge back when he was sterling Golden.
Speaker 5: Well, he come into Panama City Beach and we've worked
Speaker 5: from Ronford. He come in there, and uh, he was green.
Speaker 5: He's a big guy, big, a huge guy.
Speaker 4: But I knew nothing.
Speaker 5: And we become friends. And you know, I started working
Speaker 5: out with him because I never was a person to
Speaker 5: work out, and uh.
Speaker 4: I'd give him me a shot, just steroid shots because.
Speaker 5: He couldn't reach around to take him, you know.
Speaker 3: And all that's right.
Speaker 5: I told him, I said, boys, these things are gonna
Speaker 5: kill you. You're taking more in a race horse. And yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm hanging and banging. And when they carry
Speaker 5: me out, brother, he's going hanging out of the camp. Well,
Speaker 5: they will be hanging out of the camps.
Speaker 4: Because you're with it, you know.
Speaker 3: But you couldn't talk to you.
Speaker 5: But we were good friends for probably fifteen years and
Speaker 5: worked out all the time.
Speaker 3: He stayed at my house when he come down.
Speaker 5: He didn't have no money to get a room, sleeping
Speaker 5: in his van, so uh, my wife and me said,
Speaker 5: come on in and sleep in our extra room, and
Speaker 5: you know, and we become good friends. And then Vans
Speaker 5: told him either Shures or me, because he started whining
Speaker 5: that I was too rough on him. And then I
Speaker 5: was gonna beat him in ah a lot of TV shows,
Speaker 5: brother and take the bell and uh uh you know, uh.
Speaker 4: You had to treat him like a kid man. You say,
Speaker 4: you big dummy.
Speaker 3: Why you know?
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not gonna beat you in the middle
Speaker 5: of ring. I I can beat you any time I
Speaker 5: get ready. That might be harder to do anything. Oh really,
Speaker 5: And I'd grabbed him in his own living room, throw
Speaker 5: him on the floor and we'd start, you know, but
Speaker 5: you know, he never was r uh.
Speaker 3: He never was a wrestler. I mean never was a Uh.
Speaker 3: If he got a hold of you, he.
Speaker 5: Was powerful, he was strong, but he didn't know how
Speaker 5: to hold of you. So if you knew any moves
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 4: You can out rashly.
Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 2: JP Soro Wow Elections on living with the Holtzter then
Speaker 2: of course losing the Holtster's trust because he's going to
Speaker 2: shoot on me, brother. But you know, David Scheltz is
Speaker 2: fucking whack enough, he probably would have done it, honestly, Yeah, right.
Speaker 3: I believe that he always ends up in these situations
Speaker 3: where people are like on edge about what he's going
Speaker 3: to do, and he's always like, what I was going
Speaker 3: to do anything? What are you out of your mind?
Speaker 3: And it's like there you fucking slaps John Stoscil or
Speaker 3: castlesmester t and it's like, well, actually he will do it,
Speaker 3: so yeah, but pretty amazing that this is where it
Speaker 3: all started between these two, and he remembers shooting him
Speaker 3: up so hard that it became an issue, became a
Speaker 3: real issue, and you could imagine Schult's not biting his
Speaker 3: tongue when Hogan's on our Sineo in ninety one acting
Speaker 3: like he never took steer. Yes, well they took him three.
Speaker 2: Times, so yeah, three times in a week when there
Speaker 2: was no local restauran in the area. Brutus continues, we
Speaker 2: would leave the arena and then just sleep in our
Speaker 2: vans in a random parking lot somewhere, Like you know,
Speaker 2: they were homeless people, Buss. Basically, they were homeless people.
Speaker 2: Basically what it is like there sore describing this lifestyle,
Speaker 2: and all I think about is like, how miserable I'd be, like,
Speaker 2: I can't, I don't. I don't like that kind of lifestyle.
Speaker 2: And they were all like talking about as being great
Speaker 2: having freedom. I don't even know if Arne, because arn
Speaker 2: tells a similar story in his book because he broke
Speaker 2: in the same spot. I don't even know if he
Speaker 2: had an apartment. So I vividly remember him saying he
Speaker 2: would just fall asleep on the beach with a case
Speaker 2: with a cooler beer, just wake up and then shower
Speaker 2: in the facilities at the beach, the public facilities, and
Speaker 2: go to the town.
Speaker 3: Just sleep on the beach. Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 2: Imagine that's your house because it's a beach. I feel
Speaker 2: like you're luxuriating, right, dude.
Speaker 3: That's such a fucking wrestling mentality. That's that seemed like
Speaker 3: a whole Cogan wrestling mentality. Honestly, only a Tampa only
Speaker 3: a Tampa boy could put himself through that right. No,
Speaker 3: you know what, not not happy? There a problem, Actually
Speaker 3: it's not really, yeah exactly. Sometimes we would get up
Speaker 3: in the morning and drive over to one of the
Speaker 3: local gas stations that had one little room you could lock.
Speaker 3: We would take turns using the bathroom to poop and
Speaker 3: brush our teeth or whatever, and then and then drive
Speaker 3: back to Pensacola. Eventually we would always circle back to Pensacola, Uh,
Speaker 3: Pensacola Beach and start everything all over again. Pensacola was
Speaker 3: home base. We would be tanning or in the water
Speaker 3: and then smell barbecue. Sens quite often would pull out
Speaker 3: a little grill and cook out. Man oh man, they
Speaker 3: fed Terry and me a whole bunch. They really were
Speaker 3: generous and great to pay them back. Sometimes we would
Speaker 3: go to this buffet place called Moms. It was a
Speaker 3: little bit faced down Joy off the main strip, and
Speaker 3: they had the best fried chicken in the world. The
Speaker 3: moment we walked in, we would transform into savages. All
Speaker 3: manners were out the window. We wouldn't even sit down
Speaker 3: at the table. As the waitress showed us to our seats,
Speaker 3: we would walk over and acknowledge it. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3: We would nod to our signed eating headquarters, but then
Speaker 3: rush right over to the plates and immediately go up
Speaker 3: to the food.
Speaker 2: Just fucking oh, just rip it to shreds. Guys are
Speaker 2: so huge and so homeless, and so broke, so hungry,
Speaker 2: so hungry. Let me tell you, he says, the Samoans
Speaker 2: and the boulders could eat. We would grab each a
Speaker 2: heaping blite of fried chicken and make quick work of it.
Speaker 2: In little time, all four of us would pound the
Speaker 2: poultry and toss all the bones on a few empty
Speaker 2: plates in the center. Then we would get right back
Speaker 2: up and do it again. The amount of chicken bones
Speaker 2: left when they were finally done was ridiculous. It was
Speaker 2: always like a huge mountain.
Speaker 3: It was just wrong. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The people at Momes just hated us, to the point
Speaker 2: that when we showed up you could see the anger
Speaker 2: in their eyes because they knew we were just going
Speaker 2: to eat everything inside. If we were able to just
Speaker 2: pull our seats up to the buffet tables themselves, we
Speaker 2: probably would have done that. The nights were relatively peaceful,
Speaker 2: sleeping on the beach. I do remember one night I
Speaker 2: had checked in early. I was asleep already, when all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it felt like I was on a boat.
Speaker 3: I was out of it.
Speaker 2: I shook myself awake and looked out of the window
Speaker 2: to see if we had been hit by the tide
Speaker 2: or something. Then I realized that the motion was coming
Speaker 2: from within the van. Someone had snobled in the back.
Speaker 2: It was late and the bars had all closed. Terry
Speaker 2: had just come back from drinking and had a I
Speaker 2: thought I didn't drink a drop of alcohol back then,
Speaker 2: all right, just come back from drinking and had a
Speaker 2: girl with him and maybe a six pack. Now I
Speaker 2: don't think he was necessarily trying to get it on
Speaker 2: with her. The really wild days would come from our
Speaker 2: next territory, Memphis, after we were more widely known. But
Speaker 2: either way, I didn't want to clock cock block so
Speaker 2: or be their first hand to see what was going
Speaker 2: to happen. That would be breaking the bro code. So
Speaker 2: I decided to take off. Before I shut the door,
Speaker 2: I saw Terry out of the corner of my eye.
Speaker 2: He just barely gave me the thumbs up. I rolled out,
Speaker 2: knowing damn well that I shouldn't return anytime soon as
Speaker 2: to let them have their space. Terry wasn't a big
Speaker 2: player like me, but either way, as a bro, you
Speaker 2: knew you had to follow the unwritten universal gentleman's rule
Speaker 2: that states if the van is a rockin, don't come
Speaker 2: and knocking. Tired as hell, I ventured out for what
Speaker 2: I figured would be a long night. I walked down
Speaker 2: a few spots over in the parking lot to the
Speaker 2: side of the Samoan's ride to look for shelter. A
Speaker 2: light drizzle was hitting my face as I was hitting
Speaker 2: the van. Bump, bump, bump, nothing. I pounded a bit harder, bump, bump, bump. Finally,
Speaker 2: a dazed off a slid the side door open. Can
Speaker 2: you imagine bomb? My god, I imagine knocking on a
Speaker 2: van in the middle of the night in Pensacle, looking
Speaker 2: and the thing goes slides open off.
Speaker 3: Fucking Oh dude, I'd be scared, horrified. I'd run. Yes, yep.
Speaker 2: A stale cloud of dank, smow and tobacco smacked me
Speaker 2: in the face. I grimaced and pulled my blanket up
Speaker 2: over my shoulder and nose. What what is it morning yet,
Speaker 2: he asked, looking to see that it was still dark. No,
Speaker 2: just wondering if you mightd if I crash in the front,
Speaker 2: I asked in a chuckle, Terry has some company in
Speaker 2: the van and I can't get any sleep. Offa started
Speaker 2: to laugh and he shook his head. Too much sound
Speaker 2: from Terry. He asked, no, I don't think so, but
Speaker 2: didn't want to stick around to find out. Okay, get
Speaker 2: in off appointed to the front. He slid the door closed,
Speaker 2: and then I saw his forearm unlock the front. I
Speaker 2: crawled into the passenger side. The seat was back pretty
Speaker 2: far already, but I leaned it back some. The head
Speaker 2: of my chair pushed back this drapery thing that they
Speaker 2: used to keep the light out of the back. I
Speaker 2: heard off I say something to Seeker from the back,
Speaker 2: and then I passed out. About twenty minutes later, I
Speaker 2: awoke again. This time, however, my makeshift bed was not
Speaker 2: moving around. The thing that woke me from the dead
Speaker 2: this time was the curious sound of wood being sawed.
Speaker 2: I laid there for some time and listen to the
Speaker 2: wood sawing storm in full force. I tried covering my
Speaker 2: years with my blanket, but it was no use. I
Speaker 2: waited it out. After about ten minutes, I heard Cicca,
Speaker 2: I think, tell his brother to roll over. Fine, sure
Speaker 2: it was Terry over. Brother's a quick one, two, three
Speaker 2: up brother? What Finally the snoring subsided. I closed my
Speaker 2: eyes again. I thought about the day. You know, for
Speaker 2: a moment, I thought he was talking about real wood
Speaker 2: being fucking like something through. I know, like someone's building
Speaker 2: a boat out there.
Speaker 3: I really thought to myself, like, at two in the morning,
Speaker 3: there's somebody, you know, and this fucking beach who's actually.
Speaker 2: Like Terry's working harder than me. Thought some of what
Speaker 2: I'd learned in the ring. A peacefulness came over me.
Speaker 2: Just as I started a drift, I heard the gentle
Speaker 2: blast of an earth rattling fried chicken fart, and then
Speaker 2: the sawing started up again in its entire splendor. Oh
Speaker 2: my God, make matters worse out of nowhere. It became
Speaker 2: a duet. Yes, another saw chimed in, and I need
Speaker 2: to keep in mind Kenny Castanova, his co author, loves
Speaker 2: fart jokes and shit jokes, and he always forces them in.
Speaker 2: So I'm not sure sure he said all this, but yes,
Speaker 2: another saw chimed in in perfect harmony. It was magical,
Speaker 2: a full on wood sewing samo and symphony in stereo.
Speaker 2: Was being performed just for me.
Speaker 3: I mean also picture picture these two fucking clowns. Okay,
Speaker 3: picture off of Sika, all right, the two the two
Speaker 3: of them asleep, you know. I also picture them, you know,
Speaker 3: with like uh uh, you know, like flowery button down
Speaker 3: shirts and listen to of course they're because they're sleeping,
Speaker 3: you know, because they're living in a van. They don't
Speaker 3: have like pajamas or anything like that, or even just
Speaker 3: fucking nighttime clothes like boxers and T shirts or whatever.
Speaker 3: But they're just fucking they're wearing whatever they wore them
Speaker 3: during the day. They just have regular clothes, like oh,
Speaker 3: so what do they do the laundry, by the way,
Speaker 3: Like no one talks about the laundry. These are important
Speaker 3: things that I'm curious about. But and they just sit
Speaker 3: there like, you know, it's unbuttoned, like all the way down,
Speaker 3: just like fucking offa's on his back, hair everywhere, all right,
Speaker 3: hair just fucking all over the place. Is welcome to
Speaker 3: the business. It's the complete hull co good bitch. I
Speaker 3: imagine that there's just exactly you know, and there's no
Speaker 3: and these guys have you know. I I it's awful.
Speaker 3: But I also I cannot imagine a professional wrestler knowing
Speaker 3: good hygiene, right, Like, they're just always disgusting, right, all
Speaker 3: of them, all of them, and they're just nasty and
Speaker 3: just sweaty and body odor everywhere exactly. It smells like
Speaker 3: it smells like old lasso taco It's it's right, it's
Speaker 3: a that and like peppers and onions. Ye, all right,
Speaker 3: you know that's that's the smell. It's all over the place.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 3: Let alone, what's going on in their facial hair? Okay,
Speaker 3: just the dangerous concoc.
Speaker 2: This girl from some bar Pensacola can't help it slide
Speaker 2: into the van you go back to get back to
Speaker 2: your place.
Speaker 3: Well, I live in a van, bro you know a van?
Speaker 3: It you know that, dude van cause they call me
Speaker 3: Van of White brother. I'm a big fan of a
Speaker 3: Viziann brother. You live in a vis And what is
Speaker 3: that is that? It a modern apartment building?
Speaker 9: Well?
Speaker 3: Well, you know what in the way it is where
Speaker 3: I'm living, that's I'm living. It's a it's a it's
Speaker 3: a mobile apartment. Oh you live in mobile? I thought
Speaker 3: you lived in Pensacola. It depends on the day of
Speaker 3: the week. Past I got a place in Mobile. I
Speaker 3: got a place in Montgomery. I got a place in Dothan.
Speaker 3: Bro I got a place over in Portland, Oregon. He
Speaker 3: got a place wherever I needed, bro wherever I needed
Speaker 3: to go. My home follows me. Dude, love it. He's
Speaker 3: got a mobile home, all right. So awesome, dude, so awesome.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, right in the smoke filled dodge ram.
Speaker 3: It wasn't worth it.
Speaker 2: Some wet socks and a couple of sand flea bites
Speaker 2: were far better than hearing that. So I rolled out
Speaker 2: of van number two. I wrapped up in the blanket
Speaker 2: and fell asleep on the beach. A younger shot of
Speaker 2: the Wild Samoans OFFENSECA days were easy. Terry and I
Speaker 2: would go to Pensacola Health Club and work out. Maybe
Speaker 2: I would go swimming with the Samoans. We might hang
Speaker 2: out on the beach until late in the afternoon and
Speaker 2: then maybe drive to New Brunswick or Mobil or Montgomery,
Speaker 2: wherever we were wrestling that night. There is ed Leslie reflecting.
Speaker 2: Here's further to the point about what's happening in the ring.
Speaker 2: Sometimes Ox Baker would show up to our vans to
Speaker 2: hang out there's another nice vision to have slamming onund
Speaker 2: your door in the middle of Psycho Maniac, this walking
Speaker 2: horror movie.
Speaker 3: I mean, he really is he is just he is.
Speaker 3: He is a threat.
Speaker 2: Suck escape from New York, escape from Pensacola, I know,
Speaker 2: escape from this scan, escape from Ox Baker, please the eyebrows,
Speaker 2: the mustache boss. Oh just not just not okay, escape
Speaker 2: from New York. Indeed, yep, I mean.
Speaker 3: Horrifying.
Speaker 2: So we just wanted to hang out. Ox and I
Speaker 2: work a lot of matches together. Ed says he was
Speaker 2: very helpful with my training early on in my career,
Speaker 2: and we hit it off pretty well. When he stopped by,
Speaker 2: he would just sit down next to me in a stoop.
Speaker 2: Maybe need some simoone barbecue. Other times stop buying, to
Speaker 2: stare at you, not say a word, just look at you.
Speaker 2: Didn't even wasn't even invited over his eyebrows to a
Speaker 2: point he would other times, Ed SAIDs rights he would
Speaker 2: bring sandwich just to share.
Speaker 3: Of course he wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I liked eating with Ox. He always had an interesting
Speaker 2: story to tell. Ox didn't care about cafe at all.
Speaker 2: In a time when we had separate everything for the
Speaker 2: heels and the baby faces from our cars, to our
Speaker 2: hotels to the locker rooms. Good guys wouldn't be seen
Speaker 2: with the villains anywhere to protect the business. But Ox
Speaker 2: didn't care about any of that. He would come out
Speaker 2: swimming or even lay down right next to me tan
Speaker 2: in the sun, even when we were set to work
Speaker 2: against each other that very night. Terry absolutely hated this.
Speaker 2: If he strolled up on the beach and saw me
Speaker 2: drinking with Ox, his face would go sour. He would say, disgustedly,
Speaker 2: if anyone's fucking strolling up, you know, that makes whole
Speaker 2: Cogan nastly. That's the one security blanket he has is
Speaker 2: none of the heels, none of the faces are going
Speaker 2: to be around him because of cave fame. But if
Speaker 2: all of a sudden like that isn't a hard and
Speaker 2: fast rule anymore, he can't trust that he's not going
Speaker 2: to get covered. You know, let's not forget okay, let's
Speaker 2: not forget something here, Okay. This is Ox Maker is
Speaker 2: a classic example of what I have always talked about,
Speaker 2: and the fact that.
Speaker 3: These gentlemen the grocery store has to go to the
Speaker 3: grocery store looking like he looks like that he is
Speaker 3: buying fucking HoneyNet cheerios looking like that, like the axe
Speaker 3: fucking horrifying seriously does with a fucking low axe, Like
Speaker 3: why live alife? You can't do it? I mean, like
Speaker 3: going doing anything as a joke, doing anything, were going
Speaker 3: to the library, trying to fucking get a book, like
Speaker 3: forget it, No, we don't. We don't serve your kind here.
Speaker 3: Looks like a fucking monster, mister, we don't serve psychos here. God,
Speaker 3: just I mean, imagine any normal thing, but with Ox
Speaker 3: Baker doing.
Speaker 2: It, that's a surprise. Pull quote from Total Complete that
Speaker 2: I didn't expect. Imagine anything normal, but Ox Baker doing it.
Speaker 2: Good stuff.
Speaker 3: Ox. You might say ordering ordering Starbucks or dunkin Donuts
Speaker 3: order for Ox. Yeah right, oh right there, Oh got
Speaker 3: me again? He said up a bitch right in two seconds?
Speaker 5: Ah.
Speaker 3: I mean, just like people would not return to that
Speaker 3: Starbucks not at all, scaring people on purpose because you
Speaker 3: never know if he's going to be there again. You
Speaker 3: would never know. This guy's just this guy has to
Speaker 3: change his has to adopt an image that he cannot
Speaker 3: change because week to week he has to sell out
Speaker 3: a rinky dink arena.
Speaker 2: Pull up to your house and like you know, thirty
Speaker 2: after a night out, and you have like a window
Speaker 2: overlooking the garage, and as you pull in, you look
Speaker 2: up and you see he's standing in your living room
Speaker 2: looking down at you.
Speaker 3: Imagine this, Okay, imagine like you know, because you can
Speaker 3: imagine who knows what, who knows what kind of you know,
Speaker 3: I imagine he had to have some other kind of
Speaker 3: income as well. Point Like let's say at one point
Speaker 3: he's a delivery guy of course, like food delivery. So
Speaker 3: it's like you order pizza and the doorbell rings and
Speaker 3: you open it. You got this fucking psychopath in a
Speaker 3: domino and you a pie, right, yeah, exactly, ospgger delivery
Speaker 3: dominoes your house. You would say something like that he
Speaker 3: had the pizza you eat all that. I have some myself.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 3: He tries to be He tries to be friendly about it.
Speaker 2: That is because when you hear him do shoot interviews
Speaker 2: and stuff, he is kind of gregarious and like he's
Speaker 2: easy to get along with. It sounds like, but he
Speaker 2: looks like he would cut your fucking neck off in
Speaker 2: a second. I mean, he looks like he has no
Speaker 2: problem eating a human being.
Speaker 3: Exactly. Okay, you know he talks like the most normal
Speaker 3: person ever. I know, I fucking watching those interviews and
Speaker 3: it's like, this guy does not his his his demeanor
Speaker 3: does not match this said look that he pizza's hair
Speaker 3: ox banker hair. Can I come in? No, you cannot
Speaker 3: come in?
Speaker 4: You look at you?
Speaker 3: You cannot come in? Ready for dinner?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Whoa?
Speaker 3: You hear the ring.
Speaker 2: Doorbell go off? You go, you'll turn the camera and
Speaker 2: he's standing on your porch eating your pizza, looking in
Speaker 2: the camera.
Speaker 3: You look at you your doorboll camera and he's like,
Speaker 3: you know, it's always got a fish eye lens, and
Speaker 3: you got him. He's looking right home. He's like, you
Speaker 3: see his eye, but then you see it. He's eating
Speaker 3: the pizza, right.
Speaker 2: You see mostly his eye, but there's this little dot
Speaker 2: of his mouth at the bottom and it's moving one
Speaker 2: hundred miles an hour.
Speaker 3: And then and then and then he then he shifts
Speaker 3: up so that you see his mouth and he's like
Speaker 3: he starts laughing, but you see all the pizza in
Speaker 3: his mouth. That's awesome, cinnatic as that's baker tremendous. I
Speaker 3: got your pie. He was Terry's walking up to him
Speaker 3: on the beach for suntan and going, come on, okay,
Speaker 3: fae brother, get out of here. What are you doing?
Speaker 3: Were you rolled me up showing up my sleeping quarters, dude,
Speaker 3: I mean my.
Speaker 2: Private home. It's a fucking van. So it became a
Speaker 2: weird k fabe struggle rivalry between Terry and Ox. Brutus writes,
Speaker 2: I was wrestling Ox and so I was Terry. So
Speaker 2: I get why he didn't want us to be seen together.
Speaker 2: But we always set up camp in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 2: Ox knew it bothered Terry and thought it was funny.
Speaker 3: Of course he did.
Speaker 2: So he wait till Terry was asleep in the beach
Speaker 2: working on his tand and he would come over and
Speaker 2: sit right down next to us. Terry woul wake up,
Speaker 2: look to his left and yell, goddamn it.
Speaker 3: Ox.
Speaker 2: Then he would run to the van, said, perfect, what
Speaker 2: you're saying it Terry's called. He's yelling Terry. As Terry
Speaker 2: goes to the van, Terry Terry Terry sometimes Ox sometimes
Speaker 2: Brutish writes, Ox would actually chase after him. Ox cared
Speaker 2: about k but he just like and Terry Moore, okay,
Speaker 2: like so like this is all this is. This is
Speaker 2: more establishing of Hulk Hogan's parents.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, like this guy's following him around and fallow him around,
Speaker 3: He's chasing him. What do you what do you do? Why?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 3: Like a male man running from a dog?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 3: Yep, exactly.
Speaker 2: I was good friends with Ox right up until the
Speaker 2: time he died a short time ago. One Friday night
Speaker 2: after our TV tapings at the Farm Center in Dauphin, Alabama.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's not dolphin like like a dolphin it dophin.
Speaker 2: I snack out to drive Box over to a bar
Speaker 2: with the van, but Terry would have none of that.
Speaker 2: After the show, Terran instead hopped a ride to one
Speaker 2: of the hotels where some of the wrestlers were staying
Speaker 2: for swim. He says that he got changed in Don
Speaker 2: Fargo's room and then headed down to the pool. When
Speaker 2: he got there, guess what he saw. Bos He couldn't
Speaker 2: believe his eyes. Some nudest beach exhibitionist. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: hockey type conference was there and they were all out
Speaker 2: in rare and rear form. Everyone was naked and swimming.
Speaker 2: Just as he was about to turn around and leave,
Speaker 2: he looked over there. It was Robert Fuller aka Colonel
Speaker 2: Rob Parker wow on the territory with his brother Ron.
Speaker 2: He was standing on the diving board and all his glory,
Speaker 2: completely naked, grounded by tons of wasted, drunk people cheering
Speaker 2: him on a dive. Someone reached over and handed him
Speaker 2: the Southwestern heavyweight title belt.
Speaker 3: He put it on like a.
Speaker 2: Champ, and the crowd went wild. It was dangling off
Speaker 2: his waist as well as something else he was very
Speaker 2: well known for.
Speaker 3: I'm my dollar cock. I'll wear him about about five
Speaker 3: pounds of Fuller Man meat. Now.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever heard the legend of
Speaker 2: Colonel Rob Parker's massive peace before, but it far surpasses
Speaker 2: anything he ever did in the ring. His penis really
Speaker 2: was bigger than his career. He wasn't shy about it either,
Speaker 2: let me tell you. He would just whip it out
Speaker 2: with no notice anywhere and swing it around like a
Speaker 2: pocket watch on a chain. He would take it out
Speaker 2: in the locker room, in the grocery store, driving next
Speaker 2: to a car of nuns.
Speaker 3: It didn't matter, I guess.
Speaker 2: In this particular night, he was in his element, in
Speaker 2: full exhibition mode. He started a picture of the movie
Speaker 2: almost famous. You know when he comes upon that. Oh yes,
Speaker 2: he started bouncing up and down on the board, getting
Speaker 2: the proper momentum going enough to spin his cock around
Speaker 2: in a complete circle. Once it looked like the propeller
Speaker 2: of an airplane. He was ready for lift off. He
Speaker 2: took three steps and jumped low and behold, he didn't
Speaker 2: drop like a bag of shit. His spinning penis actually
Speaker 2: helped him finally take flight like a helicopter. Everyone's here,
Speaker 2: all right, thanks a lot, Kenny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely not a beefcake story.
Speaker 2: Is Hogan's book on the whole thing? The only place, ohya,
Speaker 2: I'll give it to you actually, because he's he's in
Speaker 2: rare form here, and he tells the throbbing members story,
Speaker 2: but he kinda you know, he kind of doesn't tell
Speaker 2: it the same exact way. Oh, it's a different person
Speaker 2: whose cock is out, I think.
Speaker 3: Oh from his first book, all right, the one place
Speaker 3: on a penstacle Alabama circuit that weirded me out. Well,
Speaker 3: that was doath in Alabama. Weirded me out.
Speaker 2: That's why I don't talk about it, because I was
Speaker 2: violating marvel ip the whole time.
Speaker 3: We wrestled there on Friday nights at the farm Center,
Speaker 3: and they say over at the hotel because Saturday, I
Speaker 3: thought you'd be in your fucking van. Oh he was
Speaker 3: in the hotel. Hotel. He went to swim for one
Speaker 3: all Saturday morning would take some TV to promote the
Speaker 3: next week's rounds of events. First time I wrestled there,
Speaker 3: Russell's got some beer after we left the farm Center
Speaker 3: and went back to the hotel to relax, or so
Speaker 3: I thought, I want to go to the hotel. The
Speaker 3: parking lot was packed. I didn't get it. You know,
Speaker 3: when I was earlier in the day the lot was
Speaker 3: almost empty, and all of a sudden, it was worth
Speaker 3: your life to get a spiller. Brother Jesus twice.
Speaker 2: You do not pull up on the thing he expects
Speaker 2: to be empty model. Oh, no way, no way, Like
Speaker 2: what's one who talked?
Speaker 3: Actually? Who talked to who?
Speaker 2: Because everyone seems to know about this except you, your
Speaker 2: boy here exactly I want to saw the hotel, which
Speaker 2: had a swimming pool right in the center of it,
Speaker 2: and I finally saw why there were so many people there.
Speaker 2: One of the Fuller brothers, the guys who owned the territory,
Speaker 2: was on the diving board, wearing the Southern Heavyweight title
Speaker 2: belt and nothing else outside of that belt wrapped around
Speaker 2: his middle. He was he was stark naked. There's a
Speaker 2: huge crowd on the swimming pool, you know, cheering and
Speaker 2: raising hell. It looked to me like the whole town
Speaker 2: was there as a final Later it wasn't the whole town,
Speaker 2: just everybody who'd been at the farm Center watching us wrestle.
Speaker 2: You know, when from the people in the front road,
Speaker 2: the guy's the nosebleed section. I mean, how big is
Speaker 2: the Farm Center? I think six thousand seats? Yeah, then
Speaker 2: would you consider those me nosebleed sections?
Speaker 3: Probably six. I wouldn't considered a six thousand seat. Before
Speaker 3: I knew it, this crazy son of a bitch on
Speaker 3: the diving board took a dive into the pool belt
Speaker 3: and all. That's why I realized he wasn't the only
Speaker 3: one without any clothes on. As soon as he hit
Speaker 3: the water, everyone else in the pool got girls and
Speaker 3: guys came climbing out, and they were naked too. I
Speaker 3: just walked away, shaking my head and saying to myself,
Speaker 3: this is insane. Even that back then, I knew it
Speaker 3: wasn't right to run around naked like that with families
Speaker 3: and kids around who'd followed us from the arena back
Speaker 3: to the hotel. It was like a circus was in town. Yep,
Speaker 3: it was mind boggling. Even if Terry Boulder wasn't comfortable
Speaker 3: at times in Dothan, Dothan was real comfortable Terry Boulder.
Speaker 2: We'll get a lot more into why he felt that
Speaker 2: way about Dothan, or Doathan felt that way about him
Speaker 2: as we continue here on the Alabama leg of the
Speaker 2: Complete Hulkogin. But of all the crazy hijinks he would
Speaker 2: witness in person and on the road and in the
Speaker 2: vans and in the hotel pools, it was really what
Speaker 2: the wind on his skin that he'd remember from this
Speaker 2: point in time. She recalled from his second book. At
Speaker 2: a particular point, he and a reality show crew visit
Speaker 2: his childhood home in Tampa, after his marriage is beginning
Speaker 2: to fall apart, and after really hell Kogan's entire world
Speaker 2: is crumbling around him, and he spent some time in
Speaker 2: the backyard looking at the old remembering the old grapefruit
Speaker 2: trees that his dad used to tend to, and remembering
Speaker 2: his mom. You'd be the one to stay indoors, and
Speaker 2: how they found a way to make their marriage work
Speaker 2: in that tiny house, no money at all, just tending
Speaker 2: to trees and really just loving the water, and he
Speaker 2: recalled I found myself wishing, Terry wrote that Linda and
Speaker 2: I could be happy again, praying almost even though I
Speaker 2: hadn't gone to church or spent any time praying for years.
Speaker 2: I thought about how crazy my life had become. What
Speaker 2: am I doing in a twenty thousand square foot house.
Speaker 2: I think I was happier when I was living out
Speaker 2: of a van by the beach in pens and Coola,
Speaker 2: just waking up and feeling the wind on my skin.
Speaker 3: Call it