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<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, welcome to the Buckeye Weekly Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Tony Gerderman, here as always with Tom or Tom.

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<v Speaker 2>How's it going?

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<v Speaker 3>Right before you hit record, you looked at me, you said,

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<v Speaker 3>you ready? And before I answered, you just started the recording.

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<v Speaker 3>So would you like to cut the rock.

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<v Speaker 2>Promo on me?

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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't matter if you're ready.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to shine this video up real nice. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to go any further than that. Those

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<v Speaker 2>of you who know what I'm saying, understand why. Welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>We are here again on campus at Buckeye Grove, right

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<v Speaker 2>behind us. All of Ohio State's All-Americans. recognized behind us.

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<v Speaker 2>Their names are on plaques, or soon-to-be plaques. Everybody that

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<v Speaker 2>they want to recognize back there. Fantastic place to be.

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<v Speaker 2>And so, some future, perhaps, members of Buckeye Grove. And

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that's the final question as we go through this.

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<v Speaker 2>Who is going to be of this group that we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about today? Going to be memorialized? Not memorialized. Commemorated. Commemorated.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. In Buckeye Grove as a first-team All-American. Today

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about basically looking at the first freshmen, the

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<v Speaker 2>true freshmen, that are currently, they have lost their black stripes.

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<v Speaker 2>There's eight of them so far as of the time

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<v Speaker 2>of this recording. And Tom, as I'm thinking right now,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't we think, you know what, we should record the

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<v Speaker 2>show later?

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<v Speaker 4>We did, but that's okay. You know, no time like

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<v Speaker 4>the present.

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<v Speaker 2>So if something happens... Two Wednesday nights, and there's another

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<v Speaker 2>player added. Forgive us, all right? We're in the zone

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<v Speaker 2>right now. We're cooking. But of these eight, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to compare them to the seven players that

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<v Speaker 2>lost their Black Stripes by this point last year and

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<v Speaker 2>see if there's any correlation, what to expect. So the

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<v Speaker 2>guys who have lost their Black Stripes this year, in order,

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<v Speaker 2>Brock Boyd, Chris Henry Jr., Jay Timmons, Luke Fahey, Kari Wilder,

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<v Speaker 2>Simeon Caldwell, Jordan Thomas, Legend Bay. Shout out to Jordan

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas for giving the best Blackstripe speech you've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 2>That was fantastic. And so that's eight. The seven last year,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give them to you, okay? You ready?

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<v Speaker 2>Quincy Porter, Riley Pettyjohn, Nate Roberts, Devin Sanchez, Bo Jackson,

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<v Speaker 2>Baheem Delane, Jake Cook. What you've got there is you've

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<v Speaker 2>got three guys that played a lot in Bo Jackson,

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<v Speaker 2>Bo and Nate Roberts and Devin Sanchez.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Riley Pettyjohn played a little. Fahim Delane played a little.

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<v Speaker 2>Mostly special teams. Quincy Porter didn't play much, got hurt.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you look at these, Jake Cook didn't play much,

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<v Speaker 2>but made a splash by the job that he did

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<v Speaker 2>in earning kind of a spot in the second team

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<v Speaker 2>group there. When you look at the guys that have

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<v Speaker 2>lost their black stripes this year. Like, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that there's a thousand yard rusher, but of these guys,

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<v Speaker 2>like I could say, I don't expect a lot from

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<v Speaker 2>Luke Fahey, but anybody else here, you could see having

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<v Speaker 2>a sizable contribution in my opinion. Although it's like, it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be tougher guy like Jordan Thomas.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Jordan Thomas is, there are enough corners on the depth chart,

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<v Speaker 3>outside corners on the depth chart right now that it's,

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<v Speaker 3>he's probably not going to be able to get regular playing.

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<v Speaker 4>Time this year.

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<v Speaker 3>Him losing his black stripe is a great marker for, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>spring 2027, who are we talking about? About guys who

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<v Speaker 3>have a chance to take a real big jump in

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<v Speaker 3>2027 in spring ball. Congratulations, you just made the list.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where you are there. There are certain spots where

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<v Speaker 3>it's just you're not going to be– either because of

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<v Speaker 3>the position where offensive line, it's almost impossible, like in

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<v Speaker 3>Jake Cook's case last year, or outside corners this year.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just they got some talent there, and it's going

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<v Speaker 4>to be hard to get in that rotation.

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<v Speaker 2>He could be number four and push battle with Cameron

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<v Speaker 2>Calhoun and then maybe compete with Dominic Kelly. Now, we've

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<v Speaker 2>not heard much about Dominic Kelly in a while. I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't really been asking, but he was with the ones

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<v Speaker 2>and twos at the start of camp. So it's like

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<v Speaker 2>you expect him to be the number three Jordan Thomas

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<v Speaker 2>at this point battling to be the four with the

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<v Speaker 2>guy who was established as kind of the four in

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<v Speaker 2>Camp Calhoun.

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<v Speaker 3>He seems like a great analog to what Riley Pettyjohn

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<v Speaker 3>was last year, where you come in, you're playing against

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<v Speaker 3>Kent State. You could tell me that Jordan Thomas has

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<v Speaker 3>an interception or a scoop and score or, you know, boy,

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<v Speaker 3>you won't believe the play he made.

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<v Speaker 4>And like, yep, absolutely. I could for sure see that happening.

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<v Speaker 3>But in terms of like actual, oh boy, you won't

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<v Speaker 3>believe the amount of snaps he played this year.

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<v Speaker 4>Probably not just for situations outside of his control.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is interesting. Like a Rod J. Burns, Riley Pettyjohn,

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<v Speaker 2>Jermaine Matthews, true freshman getting these random touchdowns in kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the blowout games.

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<v Speaker 4>Three people whose careers have gone in very different directions.

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<v Speaker 2>Very different directions. So like Jordan Thomas, it's just like

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<v Speaker 2>a depth thing. Brock Boyd and Chris Henry Jr., those guys,

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan Day has said they're going to play. And the

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<v Speaker 2>closer we get to the season, the more we hear

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<v Speaker 2>it's like the more they're going to play is how

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<v Speaker 2>this is feeling, especially as Kyle Parker is slowed and

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<v Speaker 2>not yet practicing as of the time of this recording.

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<v Speaker 2>So somebody's going to play. And those two guys, to me,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see them– Do you still see them as

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<v Speaker 2>typical freshmen in terms of your expectations?

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<v Speaker 3>No, because we did a bold prediction show where we

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<v Speaker 3>talked about some expectations for them. And I had Chris

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<v Speaker 3>Henry with the third highest receiving total in Ohio State

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<v Speaker 3>true freshman history.

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<v Speaker 4>And you say, you know, would that be surprising to

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<v Speaker 4>you if he did that?

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<v Speaker 2>And you did not answer.

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<v Speaker 4>No, not really. It would not be particularly surprising.

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<v Speaker 3>But he's not the typical freshman.

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<v Speaker 4>He's not.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think Brock Boyd, you're sort of hearing some

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<v Speaker 3>of the same things about him, where I think your

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<v Speaker 3>Quaden Guilford is much more on that typical true freshman path,

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<v Speaker 3>where it's like, yeah, very talented guy, probably going to

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<v Speaker 3>play little bits and pieces this year, and then we'll

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<v Speaker 3>sort of see you next spring and see where you

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<v Speaker 3>are at that point.

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<v Speaker 4>Boyd and Henry are not on that path. Boyd and Henry,

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<v Speaker 4>it seems.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, are well ahead of that, and you know, there

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<v Speaker 3>isn't a Carnell Tate to hold them back this year.

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<v Speaker 3>The fact that Kyle Parker has been banged up a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch this fall has really sort of opened the door

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<v Speaker 3>for a lot more reps for both of those guys,

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<v Speaker 3>just because of the way you can move the different guys.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, even if you don't play the same position

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<v Speaker 3>as Kyle Parker, the way they move guys around, it

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<v Speaker 3>might open up a position for someone else. So yeah, I,

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<v Speaker 3>those two, I think I'm expecting to play notable amount

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<v Speaker 3>of snaps this year in, and I, Play in the

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<v Speaker 3>Texas game.

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<v Speaker 4>Play in the USC game. Play in the Indiana game.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, I think you're going to see those guys playing

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<v Speaker 3>pretty much all season, even if it's not in a

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<v Speaker 3>starting role.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, that to me is, if you play in

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<v Speaker 2>the Texas game, you are in the rotation. You are established.

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<v Speaker 4>That was Devin Sanchez last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you are established. And he was out there in

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<v Speaker 2>the first drive. Yeah. As the dime. If you're doing that,

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<v Speaker 2>especially on the road, you are in. And those two guys,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, Chris Henry Jr. finally shows up on

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<v Speaker 2>the EA video game as an 84. So not bad.

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<v Speaker 2>The highest ranked true freshman is what I just saw

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<v Speaker 2>on Twitter. Sitting on the offensive side, Legend Bay, as

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<v Speaker 2>of this recording, the most recent guy to lose his

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<v Speaker 2>black stripe along with Jordan Thomas the same day, I recall. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And Legend, this is a nice little climb for him. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>he was in the spring, here in the spring, but

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<v Speaker 2>he was a little banged up. Starts off not being

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<v Speaker 2>able to practice the first two days of fall camp.

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<v Speaker 2>Does enough and has made plays. There's been this concern

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<v Speaker 2>about he just needs to continue getting better. All this

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<v Speaker 2>concern that everybody has with freshman running backs because they

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<v Speaker 2>have the ball and they can lose the ball. And

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<v Speaker 2>so for him to have lost it at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is a fantastic sign. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I could look to see exactly how close

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<v Speaker 2>it is. And I will look to see how close

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<v Speaker 2>it is to Bo Jackson or the other two freshman

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<v Speaker 2>running backs. But Legend Bay losing it now, we know

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to play. And this tells me that he

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<v Speaker 2>is progressing the way they want to see when they

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<v Speaker 2>always give these caveats of he's going to play if. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like the ifs are there.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>He was banged up in the spring. So I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like that pushed him a little back. And then missing

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<v Speaker 3>the first couple of days of practice, you got to

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<v Speaker 3>kind of earn your way back into the circle of

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<v Speaker 3>trust after they sit you for a couple of practices.

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<v Speaker 3>And This was one of those things where if this

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<v Speaker 3>was purely based on on-field stuff, I think he probably

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<v Speaker 3>loses his black stripe sometime in the spring, especially if

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<v Speaker 3>he was healthy. There's more that goes into it than that.

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<v Speaker 3>But this tells me, okay, he's back in the circle

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<v Speaker 3>of trust. We had sort of projected, you know, he's

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<v Speaker 3>going to get a handful of carries in the Texas game.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's probably, I'm still kind of on track

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<v Speaker 3>for that. I don't think, you know, I'm not expecting

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<v Speaker 3>him to have 12 carries. I'm not expecting him to

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<v Speaker 3>not play at all. I think you're going to see

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<v Speaker 3>him a little bit, this sort of just is a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of a mile post on the way.

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<v Speaker 4>To that point.

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<v Speaker 2>He was about a week behind Bo Jackson. Yeah. Isaiah West,

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<v Speaker 2>who was banged up, lost his October 15th last year.

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<v Speaker 4>But that was right before they went to Madison, right?

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<v Speaker 3>Wisconsin was kind of late October last year, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>where he sort of had his breakout game.

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<v Speaker 2>Defensively, we did not mention Simeon Caldwell. We mentioned Jordan Thomas.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start with Simeon Caldwell, who has maybe more than

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<v Speaker 2>anybody else been a surprise freshman, and certainly not a

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<v Speaker 2>surprise that he lost his black stripe. If you're a

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<v Speaker 2>member of the BuckeyeInsiders.com and saw us on the board,

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<v Speaker 2>we were talking about him. in the days leading up

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<v Speaker 2>to his losing of the Blackstripe. And if you want

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<v Speaker 2>more insight like that, you can find us over at BuckeyeInsiders.com.

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<v Speaker 2>Sign up. Get stuff like that before most others. We

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<v Speaker 2>welcome you there. But they've got a role for him. So, like,

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<v Speaker 2>his playing time is, at this point, dependent upon the

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<v Speaker 2>situations that they find the defense in. But when you're

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<v Speaker 2>a safety, true freshman safety, and they were already like,

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<v Speaker 2>we want you to do this, that's only going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the start of it. So once you're doing that,

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<v Speaker 2>as Ryan Day said, as long as they're playing special teams,

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<v Speaker 2>that's also going to factor into it. And anytime there's

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<v Speaker 2>doing stuff on special teams as well. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>with Simeon Caldwell, he's doing as much as he's being asked,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's keeping up with all of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. If they trust you to be out there early,

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<v Speaker 3>and it sounds like by all accounts they do, then

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<v Speaker 3>Because that is a hurdle that a lot of guys

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<v Speaker 3>don't get over as true freshmen.

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<v Speaker 4>And sometimes it's off-field stuff. Sometimes it's on-field stuff. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>But he's gotten over those hurdles, it sounds like, already.

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<v Speaker 4>So then you're setting yourself up for a bigger role.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is.

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<v Speaker 3>In the previous years, we've had that conversation where if

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<v Speaker 3>you're out on special teams, well, it means you're burning

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<v Speaker 3>your redshirt year. So then they're looking for reasons to

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<v Speaker 3>put you out on defense. Now there's no more redshirting.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's no longer a consideration.

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<v Speaker 3>But they still do link those two things, because if

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<v Speaker 3>then they're going to trust you to be out there

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<v Speaker 3>more on defense.

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<v Speaker 2>And the more you do on special teams, the more

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<v Speaker 2>you just get all of the football. Ryan Day says

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<v Speaker 2>special teams is just teaching you football. Yep. And the blocking, tackling,

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing. And the more you learn that,

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<v Speaker 2>the better you're going to have a chance of playing

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<v Speaker 2>later on in the season. Sticking with the secondary, we

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<v Speaker 2>probably don't need to spend too much time on Jay Timmons.

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<v Speaker 4>I expect him to play some this year, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's going to play quite a bit. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you're looking at last year, do you think he

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<v Speaker 2>300 snaps last year as the dime? Got a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of starts at corner. Yeah. I guess I should look

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<v Speaker 2>and see how many snaps like Lorenzo Stiles.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, my guess would be yes.

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<v Speaker 3>I think you're going to see him more than you

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<v Speaker 3>saw Sanchez just because you're going to be in a

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<v Speaker 3>nickel more often than you are in a dime. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to be in a nickel maybe less than

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<v Speaker 3>they were last year because you're going to be playing

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<v Speaker 4>And we've talked about, hey, maybe.

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<v Speaker 3>Simeon Caldwell is going to steal some of those snaps

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<v Speaker 3>if we're viewing him as that big nickel. So he

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<v Speaker 3>may take some snaps away from Jay Timmons. But at

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<v Speaker 3>the same time, I get the sense that you're probably

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<v Speaker 3>going to be, even without having a start at an outside.

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<v Speaker 4>Corner position like Devin Sanchez had last.

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<v Speaker 3>Year, I still think you're probably going to see more

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<v Speaker 3>snaps from Jay Timmons, assuming he's healthy all year, than

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<v Speaker 3>you did from Sanchez last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Devin Sanchez, 321 snaps. Lorenzo Stiles Jr., 404. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>right in line with what you're saying. Jumping to the

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<v Speaker 2>defensive line, which Kari Wilder is the only guy we

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<v Speaker 2>haven't talked about in terms of losing his black stripe.

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<v Speaker 2>Expectations for him, I think Zion Grady is the baseline,

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<v Speaker 2>who had a tackle and a half for loss and

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<v Speaker 2>eight or nine tackles last year.

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<v Speaker 4>And like 100 snaps.

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<v Speaker 2>Like 104 snaps.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I would expect... I feel like we should expect more

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<v Speaker 2>it was for Zion Grady last year, where he was

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<v Speaker 2>competing against Bo Atkinson by the end of the season

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<v Speaker 2>because C.J. Hicks had shut it down. Dominic Kirk, there

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<v Speaker 2>was no, like, Logan George, they realized he couldn't play.

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<v Speaker 2>So the depth chart just kind of kept falling by

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<v Speaker 2>the wayside. This year, I think the depth chart's only

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<v Speaker 2>going to, like, get stronger as the season goes, but

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<v Speaker 2>Kyrie Wilder's going to be part of that reason why.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's in an interesting spot right now where you

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<v Speaker 3>know Kenyatta Jackson, you know Bo Atkinson. You've got the

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<v Speaker 3>second-year guys, Epi Satonale and Zion Grady. And then beyond that,

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<v Speaker 3>it's kind of like, all right, you know, we've talked

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<v Speaker 3>about Drake Quinn at times. It seems like he has

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<v Speaker 3>not lost his black stripe yet. That tells me that

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<v Speaker 3>Kari Wilder is ahead of him. So he's probably fifth

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<v Speaker 2>Quay Rousaw.

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<v Speaker 4>Quay Rousaw. How does he figure in there?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think of him as a defensive end because

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<v Speaker 3>he's also probably taking.

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<v Speaker 4>Snaps in that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he's with Larry Johnson.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, right.

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<v Speaker 3>He's probably in that, but is that just a third

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<v Speaker 3>down pass rushing role?

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<v Speaker 4>We know what he's going to do, and we know... Situationally,

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of the times when he's going to do it,

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<v Speaker 4>but we don't know. If it's second and seven, are

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<v Speaker 4>you ever going to see him out there? I assume

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<v Speaker 3>So he's a little bit of a wild card in

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<v Speaker 3>all of this. But for Kari Wilder, someone's going to

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<v Speaker 3>get hurt at some point.

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<v Speaker 4>It happens.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone is going to miss a game. And if he's

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<v Speaker 3>in that conversation... I think the 100 snaps, give or take,

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<v Speaker 3>for Zion Grady last year is a good benchmark. I'd

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<v Speaker 3>probably expect him to go over that. But this is

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<v Speaker 3>also a year where you don't have Brambling on the schedule.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't have.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's 40 snaps right there.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not getting nearly as much Rutgers and Purdue in

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<v Speaker 3>the monitors as you did last year. So there are

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<v Speaker 3>going to be fewer games where a true freshman is

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<v Speaker 3>going to play 25 snaps.

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<v Speaker 4>So he might play more snaps in.

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<v Speaker 3>Six games, you know, pick a random six-game Big Ten

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<v Speaker 3>sample than Zion Grady did, but not have the game

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<v Speaker 3>where you get 20 snaps, the game where you get

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<v Speaker 3>25 snaps, and end up with fewer snaps.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and last year, Zion Grady was fourth with 104 snaps.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifth was C.J. Hicks with 50, but he didn't play

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<v Speaker 2>past the fourth for the season. Sixth was Josh Mickens,

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<v Speaker 2>and he had 44. Like, I don't know. The distribution

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be better this year because Caden Curry–

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<v Speaker 2>And Kenyatta Jackson had like 1200 of the 1400 snaps.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So that will be better spread out between everybody. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think, I think that's the baseline that I'm going with.

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<v Speaker 2>I would expect, I expect more production, but it was out.

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<v Speaker 2>Grady was getting close at times last year, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what we will see. What do you guys

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<v Speaker 2>think of the, the black stripe guys this year so far?

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<v Speaker 2>And again, If something happened Wednesday after practice and somebody

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<v Speaker 2>loses a black stripe, I apologize. That was not our intent.

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<v Speaker 2>We never wanted that to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Tony's like, I've never cared for that guy, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to leave him.

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<v Speaker 2>Off this show. Specifically, that's going to be the title.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy is not part of the show. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to find the show when we drop it,

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<v Speaker 2>hit the bell to be notified. Thumbs up. All of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, we're talking about everybody. If somebody has lost

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<v Speaker 2>a black stripe, we're talking about it over at BuckeyeInsiders.com.

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<v Speaker 2>We'd love to see you there. That will do it

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<v Speaker 2>from here. Thank you all for tuning in, and we

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<v Speaker 2>will talk to you all later. Love, this time, can

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<v Speaker 2>what I feel be real?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, she threw away the motel key. I wish it

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<v Speaker 3>never meant nothing to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Say you will, now say you will.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, yeah. Say you will, now say you will.

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<v Speaker 4>If you tell me that Des Moines's alright, we could

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<v Speaker 4>steal a car and leave tonight.