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Thank 20 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:54.120 you so much for helping make this show possible transmissions. 21 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:58.359 Don Welcome to Where Did the Road Go? Join us 22 00:01:58.400 --> 00:02:02.799 as we wander off the path explore lost history, consciousness, 23 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:10.240 the paranormal, unexplained mysteries, alternative thought, and much more. We 24 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:13.120 are present on the web at Where to the Road 25 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:16.120 goo dot com. Now here is your host. 26 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:33.159 Sayah, welcome to this edition of Where Did the Road Go? 27 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:36.240 And I have with me for the first time ever, Saxon. 28 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:41.479 I'm really nervous to be on the show. I've never 29 00:02:41.560 --> 00:02:42.199 done this before. 30 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:44.759 Also for the first time ever, Brennan. 31 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:46.439 You gentle, it's my first time. 32 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:51.520 And originally Saxon, you and I were going to interview you. 33 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:57.000 It's a queen's of mine. Nathan Robert Brown. He's got 34 00:02:57.360 --> 00:03:00.759 a cryptid book coming out and let's say, let me 35 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:03.039 pull the ty love it. I just let it go down. 36 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:08.639 It's called The Unexplained Mysteries Scripted Ghosts in UFOs. But 37 00:03:08.919 --> 00:03:12.120 Nathan's a really interesting guy and I'm looking forward to 38 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:13.479 when we get to reschedule with him. 39 00:03:14.039 --> 00:03:14.360 He was a. 40 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:18.080 Demonologist for a while. Yeah, he's written some other interesting books. 41 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:21.800 He's got one about Lilith, has an anthropology background and 42 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:24.479 I don't know he he'll fit in well. I think 43 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:27.159 with the word of the road, go a greater crew 44 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:27.680 of folks. 45 00:03:28.039 --> 00:03:31.800 Nice. Nice, and also I want to point people to 46 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:35.080 h Yeah, I also close the thing I needed there. 47 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:38.319 It is Danielle Drake dot com and that's d A 48 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:41.560 n I E L L E d r a i 49 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:46.639 K dot com. And she is doing hopefully she'll be 50 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:49.520 on the show soon. But she's doing artwork based on 51 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:54.840 experiencers experiences, like she's translating them into artwork from what 52 00:03:54.879 --> 00:03:57.439 they're describing. And she has some really cool stuff on 53 00:03:57.479 --> 00:03:59.439 the website and she's going to be doing it. She's 54 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:02.800 particularly focusing on the Ithaca area right now. So if 55 00:04:02.840 --> 00:04:05.639 you're hearing this and you've had an experience and you 56 00:04:05.719 --> 00:04:07.680 want to share it with her, just go to that 57 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:11.159 website and her info's there. But she'll, like I said, hopefully, 58 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:13.919 she'll be doing something some kind of a I can't 59 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:15.719 remember the name of it for the life of me, 60 00:04:15.840 --> 00:04:17.800 but basically an art exhibit for a couple of weeks 61 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:21.199 in Ithaca in October of all this this stuff. So yeah, 62 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:21.879 check that out. 63 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:24.600 That's really cool. Her Instagram's awesome and. 64 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:27.279 She's very cool. She she also I think we'll fit 65 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:31.279 in here very nicely. And let's see. So tonight is 66 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:33.759 go wandering the road show because well we had to 67 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:37.079 change things up at the last minute. That's all right, Brennan. 68 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:39.480 You I'm gonna I'm gonna let you start, Brennan, because 69 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:43.000 you said you had a personal encounter thing. Was this 70 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:44.839 the Apple Ganger? 71 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:45.279 It was? 72 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:48.199 Yeah, I tell you, man, without a doubt, this was 73 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:50.399 the strangest thing that's happened to me since I first 74 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:53.879 saw Shadow people. Yeah, yeah, I know, I goofun here 75 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:56.680 a lot, but this is this is straight up one 76 00:04:56.720 --> 00:04:58.279 of the weirdest things that's happened to be in a 77 00:04:58.439 --> 00:05:01.199 very long time. So now I I'm now living in Toronto. 78 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:03.399 I've been here about a week, but prior to that, 79 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:05.639 I was living for a couple of years in London, Ontario. 80 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:08.879 And about ten days before I moved, it was a beautiful, 81 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:11.600 i want to say, Saturday evening and I decided to 82 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:13.519 go for a walk. I left out the building through 83 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:15.759 the rear door, tossed my trash in the dumpster, and 84 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:20.560 then walked around to Grand Street, which runs paralleled next 85 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:22.720 to where my building is. My building, my old building 86 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:25.639 is on what's called right Out Street, and so the 87 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:27.680 building is quite a long building. It runs most of 88 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:29.560 the like I would say, most of the block on 89 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:31.959 ride Out and Grand. So typically what I would do 90 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:33.519 is I would cross right out, which is quite a 91 00:05:33.560 --> 00:05:36.040 busy street, and then right in front of my building 92 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:38.439 there is a T junction and there's another street called 93 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:42.920 Elmwood that goes up to the sort of local neighborhood village. 94 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:44.720 So I thought, okay, I'm going to come around the 95 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:47.720 side of the building, crossover right out to and then 96 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:51.079 walk up Elmwood and walk to the village. Well, traffic 97 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:53.279 was pretty heavy that night, and so I was thinking, okay, 98 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:55.360 maybe I'm not gonna be able to cross against the light. 99 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:57.639 So instead of trying to cross right at the corner, 100 00:05:57.759 --> 00:05:59.639 I just kind of kept walking in front of my 101 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:02.600 building until I was directly across from Elmwood. And as 102 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:05.160 I was looking up Elmwood, I saw my friends who 103 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:06.720 happened to live in the same building as me. I 104 00:06:06.759 --> 00:06:09.519 saw them standing with their dog across the street underneath 105 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:11.560 the tree. And now I should say I saw them standing. 106 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:13.560 I actually thought I thought I saw them run across 107 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:16.279 the street because I saw movement, and then I saw 108 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:18.040 them standing there with their dog, so I thought they 109 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:20.480 had run across the street to beat traffic. Now it 110 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:23.399 was it's a running joke between us that they always 111 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:26.639 see me first. I am terrible at observation when I'm 112 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:28.519 out for a walk. So, folks, if you ever see me, 113 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:31.079 I can't imagine why you wouldn't if he ever did anything. 114 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:33.800 Oh Brendan, wave at me or wave back? What a jerk? 115 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:36.120 I mean, yes I am. But also I just didn't 116 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:38.439 see you because I am lost in my head. And 117 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:40.399 so I thought it was funny that I saw them 118 00:06:40.439 --> 00:06:42.959 first this time, so I went. But then I so 119 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:44.399 I was standing there looking at them with them and 120 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:46.040 the dog, and then I thought, oh, it's weird they 121 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.240 haven't said anything, or it's weird they haven't like seen me, 122 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:50.680 because usually they're right on top of it. So I thought, oh, maybe, 123 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:52.720 you know, it's a couple. Maybe they're having a moment too, 124 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:54.879 they're having a you know, they're keeping conversation. I'm not 125 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:56.839 going to interrupt them, you know. And then it occurred 126 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:58.759 to me, wait, hang on, if they were running across 127 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:00.199 the street, that means they would have had to have 128 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:03.439 started directly across the street from me. So they would 129 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:05.920 have seen me. So the only so if they're not 130 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:08.480 saying anything, because they never do this. So like I 131 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:10.480 was saying, maybe they're just pretending they didn't see, but 132 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:13.600 they've never done that before. But I thought, you know what, again, 133 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:15.639 there are a couple. Maybe they're having a moment. I'll 134 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:18.120 leave them to their devices. We'll talk about it later. 135 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:20.759 So instead of going up Elmwood where I ordinarily go, 136 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:23.360 I kept going down right out until I got to 137 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:26.680 the driveway or building, after which there's a construction zone 138 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:28.480 so you can't keep going yet you have to cross 139 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:30.480 the street. So went for a long walk. That was 140 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:32.319 kind of it. And then about eight thirty I was 141 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:35.040 back at home and my friend, one of my friends, 142 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:38.000 texted me and she's she was mentioning they were back 143 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:39.759 at home. They were watching some kind of movie and 144 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:41.079 she said, you know, if you haven't seen it, I 145 00:07:41.120 --> 00:07:42.519 think you would enjoy it. And she said, oh, by 146 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:44.199 the way, I saw you when you were walking. I said, 147 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:46.519 hi from the balcony. You had your headphones on. You 148 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:48.639 must not heard me. And I said, oh, yeah, that's funny. 149 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:51.439 I saw you guys out walking. Marda your dog there. 150 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:53.319 She knows it's their dog. You don't know, it's their 151 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:57.399 dog walking Marda calm their dog. And she came up 152 00:07:57.439 --> 00:07:59.240 to see me about half hour later. She says, hey, 153 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:01.800 what do you mean you saw us walking? Marda and 154 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:04.399 I said, yeah, when you guys were said about seven o'clock, 155 00:08:04.439 --> 00:08:06.319 when you guys were on Elmwood, I was at the 156 00:08:06.360 --> 00:08:07.879 foot of it. You guys didn't see me, So I 157 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:10.879 kept walking. I thought, it's like again, it seemed insane 158 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:12.399 not to go up there. But I thought, if they 159 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:14.040 haven't seen me, or if they did see me and 160 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:16.360 they're not saying anything, there's a reason. So I think 161 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:19.839 we'll laugh about this label. You know, I've known these 162 00:08:19.879 --> 00:08:22.399 guys for sixteen years. You know, they know what a 163 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:24.160 guber I am. I know what guber's they are like, 164 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:26.720 there's no secrets, so whatever, we'll just we'll joke about 165 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:29.319 this labor. So I told her that and she said, well, no, 166 00:08:29.480 --> 00:08:31.519 that's she said, that's that's when I saw you in 167 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:33.759 the balcony. I said, what do you mean? She says, well, 168 00:08:34.159 --> 00:08:36.799 you were You crossed the driveway, didn't you. I said, yeah. 169 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:39.159 And their balcony looks down over the driveway. It's literally 170 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:40.960 right above it, and she said, yeah, I saw you. 171 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:43.360 I told that's when I called you out or called 172 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:44.639 out to you, but you didn't hear me. And I 173 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:46.559 when I go for walks, I have my noise canceling 174 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:48.639 headphones on, so I can't hear anything. It was super 175 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:51.000 cool with your cross on the street sometimes. But yeah, 176 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:52.720 so I said, no, I didn't. I didn't hear you. 177 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:55.200 But I said that's not that's not possible because I didn't. 178 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:57.639 I only crossed the driveway once and that was after 179 00:08:57.720 --> 00:08:59.960 I saw you guys across the street. She said nope, nope, 180 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:02.919 because we were not outside at that time. And she 181 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:06.279 asked me to describe what were we wearing. And I said, okay, well, 182 00:09:06.279 --> 00:09:09.480 I said, you were wearing your kind of baggy denim 183 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:12.519 shorts and a blue shirt. And she says, those shorts 184 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:14.159 are at the bottom of the hamper. She said, we 185 00:09:14.279 --> 00:09:16.519 haven't done laundry yet this week, so I couldn't have 186 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:18.639 been wearing them. I can't wear that blue shirt anymore 187 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:20.480 because it doesn't fit. And I said, okay, well, she 188 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:22.360 said what was he wearing? Her husband, so he was 189 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:25.519 wearing his like kind of pale yellow shorts and his 190 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:27.960 white button up shirt. She's like, nope, he hasn't had 191 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:29.799 that button up shirt for about three years. It tore 192 00:09:29.879 --> 00:09:32.200 when we were living in Montreal. He doesn't have it anymore. 193 00:09:32.279 --> 00:09:34.559 So the only thing that made sense was that the 194 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:36.879 tree where I saw them, the tree is a tree 195 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:39.039 that their dog likes to hang, likes to go to 196 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:41.120 because she likes to chew the shoots they grow at 197 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:43.159 the bottom of it. But the time I saw them, 198 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:46.120 they were still inside, so it was them. I know 199 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:47.960 it was them again, I've known these people for a 200 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:50.120 very long time, but it could not have been them 201 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:51.600 because they were still in their apartment. 202 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:53.279 How does that make you feel? 203 00:09:53.360 --> 00:09:58.200 Brandon weird? Soriah weird, real weird. Because the other thing 204 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:00.039 is when I eventually had to cross right out, I 205 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:02.679 look back towards Elmwood because I thought, ah, maybe they're gone. 206 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:05.879 You know, I really I don't like going down right 207 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:07.679 out because there's really nothing. You're just kind of going 208 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:10.639 towards downtown, and downtown sucks. So I kind of wanted 209 00:10:10.639 --> 00:10:12.240 to go back and look through the village because it's 210 00:10:12.240 --> 00:10:14.960 a nicer walk. But as I look back, I saw 211 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:16.639 I thought I saw Marta the dog. I thought I 212 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:18.559 saw her legs sticking out from behind the bush, and 213 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:21.240 I remember thinking, ah, crowd, Okay, so they're still there, 214 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:22.840 you know, so I'm not going to go back yet. 215 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:25.240 But thinking about it now, it doesn't make sense because 216 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:27.399 I don't think Martin is not long enough for her 217 00:10:27.440 --> 00:10:30.000 legs to stick out like that. Oh so I don't, 218 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:32.320 I genuinely don't. I don't have an answer, but like it, 219 00:10:32.480 --> 00:10:35.879 it didn't look spooky, it didn't feel spooky. It was legitimately, Oh, 220 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:38.320 there's my friends. They're talking under that tree. I will 221 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:39.960 catch up with them later when I see them later, 222 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:42.600 because we'll probably hang out and do something. And then 223 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:44.679 finding out that Nope, I couldn't have been them because 224 00:10:44.679 --> 00:10:46.519 they were still inside. And not only that, but they 225 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:47.919 kind of they had kind of had a bit of 226 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:50.120 a bit of a back and forth, I guess, because 227 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:52.559 he had forgotten to do the laundry, and I think 228 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:55.120 he had like something had happened, and he carelessly kind 229 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:57.559 of knocked over the you know, the family bong and 230 00:10:57.759 --> 00:11:02.399 it had broken, you know, the house bong, and so 231 00:11:02.519 --> 00:11:04.639 she was kind of choked about that. So she said 232 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:06.399 actually when she saw me, it was good for her 233 00:11:06.519 --> 00:11:08.840 because she was really happy. She was really mad, and 234 00:11:10.120 --> 00:11:12.320 they both had just come home from work, so they 235 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:14.679 both have very stressful jobs, so tensions are already high. 236 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:16.200 So and then she said seeing me down at the 237 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:18.519 driveway was kind of like a bit of a oh 238 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:21.519 because I never walked that way anymore because of the construction, 239 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:23.840 so seeing me like, oh, hey, let's brand And she 240 00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:25.879 said it kind of distracted her from what she was. 241 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:28.600 She was like getting kind of working herself up, and 242 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:31.159 that had sort of distracted her. So it's almost like 243 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:33.799 there was a positive outcome of this, but I still 244 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:37.279 feel very strange about it because it doesn't make any sense. 245 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:41.600 Well, so you got directed that way because you saw them, 246 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:48.480 which means that they saw you and they wouldn't have otherwise. Yes, yeah, 247 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:51.000 she saw me correct and that changed her mood. So 248 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:55.799 maybe something created that situation to help her release that mood. 249 00:11:56.759 --> 00:11:59.320 I mean, that's the only thing that makes any kind 250 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:01.240 of sense. As much as it makes sense, that's the 251 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:03.360 one that makes me go okay, Like this helped her. 252 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:06.000 So maybe there's some validity to this, there's a reason, 253 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:08.960 but it's still it just raises a lot oh sure 254 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:09.840 of other questions. 255 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:13.919 Did she manage to create a hallucination for you. It's 256 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:17.639 something aside, Oh, you need to walk this way. I'm 257 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:19.639 going to create this image for you. 258 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:20.679 Too bad. 259 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:22.759 There wasn't someone else that could have been like, oh yeah, no, 260 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:24.879 I saw them too, so you knew whether or not 261 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:28.240 it was only something in your perception or a shared perception. 262 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:31.440 Yeah, that's and I genuinely have no idea. In another 263 00:12:31.519 --> 00:12:33.919 kind of bizarre coincidence, it turns out I was out 264 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:35.600 for a walk the other day in my new neighborhood 265 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:38.799 and I realized that I am living in exactly the 266 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:41.440 same neighborhood my friends and I had said, Man, I 267 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:43.240 think we'd like, we'd all like to live here in 268 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:45.679 this neighborhood when we moved to Toronto cool, and I 269 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:48.279 did not. I'd forgotten about that completely. And I only 270 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:50.159 ended up at this apartment because the other one. I 271 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:52.519 was looking at the woman who was going to be 272 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:54.759 the landlord. When I decided that I was going to 273 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:56.720 do it, she raised the rent of the line, right right, 274 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:59.039 I remember this? Yeah, yeah, So I ended up here, 275 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:00.799 and I was not intending to be here. This was 276 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:03.120 a It wasn't even really what I wanted. I didn't 277 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:04.519 really want to live in a basement because of how 278 00:13:04.639 --> 00:13:06.840 dark it can get. But I ended up here and 279 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:09.320 I was walking around. There's a cafe called like the 280 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:13.440 Nut Milk Cafe or something, and of course we laughed 281 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:17.320 about this until our stupid stomach's hurt. And me was saying, like, 282 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:19.080 oh we should you know, one day you'll live near 283 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:21.679 the nut Milk Cafe And now I'm like blocks away 284 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:22.720 from this place. 285 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:25.320 Wait, why is it being dark bad? 286 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:28.200 Because I don't know. At some point it's nice to 287 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:28.720 see the sun. 288 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:32.000 No, it's not. I disagree wholeheartedly with that. 289 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:36.320 I mean, my old place got too much sun this. 290 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:39.120 I didn't wake up till nine thirty this morning, which 291 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:40.799 is an hour and a half after I usually wake up, 292 00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:42.559 because I smoked the blunt before I went to bed 293 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:45.279 and we had a storm, so there is no sunlight whatsoever. 294 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:47.840 I woke up, it looked like ten pm and instead 295 00:13:47.840 --> 00:13:48.480 it was ten am. 296 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:51.960 Oh wow, Yeah, like that feeds my depression so much. 297 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:55.399 Winter is going to be a bit of a challenge. 298 00:13:55.399 --> 00:13:57.519 I'm going to have to have some sun in there. 299 00:13:58.320 --> 00:13:59.240 You guys are weird. 300 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:03.720 Too much time in New York City just because of 301 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:05.960 all the buildings around and not ever really like seeing 302 00:14:06.039 --> 00:14:08.240 the sun. It starts to get to me, even though 303 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:10.519 I pretty much prefer being a wicked night. Yeah. 304 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:14.240 Also I have to say, well, this bong was passed 305 00:14:14.320 --> 00:14:18.639 down from my great great great grandfather. This is the 306 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:20.399 family bomb. Yeah. 307 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:23.480 No, not an ancestral bond, more like a host bong. 308 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:27.120 But that's what comes to mind when you say the 309 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:30.000 family bog, like it's been passed down for AONs and 310 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:30.720 you broke it. 311 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:33.440 The sacred bong. 312 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:36.600 I mean, I'm sure they're out there. 313 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:39.519 Oh, I have no doubt. So that was my That 314 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:41.639 was my doppelganger experience. That was very strange. 315 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:43.279 Yeah, that's really weird. 316 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:45.919 Capped off an odd day because it Saturdays. I've been 317 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:49.000 ever since the summer, or sorry, ever since the winter. Rather, 318 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:52.080 I've been spending my Saturdays down in Saint Thomas. The 319 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:55.799 sound of Saint Thomas, Ontario and that and even how 320 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:58.279 I got started down there is kind of a weird 321 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:00.799 series of synchronicities, but I'll get those for now. But 322 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:04.039 that day I was down there, and what I usually 323 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:05.960 do on Saturday is I go down I shoot the 324 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:09.000 breeze with John from Union General Coffee, who has a 325 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:11.360 stand down there. And we were, so we were shooting 326 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:13.759 the breeze. They closed up and we were just standing 327 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:16.720 there next to his trailer as we were just again 328 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:19.000 catching up because he had quite a busy morning and 329 00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:21.559 everyone else had left the market, so it was just us. 330 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:23.759 And so when the police truck first passed us by, 331 00:15:23.919 --> 00:15:26.279 I thought, oh, okay, they're whatever just scoping us out. 332 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:28.240 I'm sure they must know who John is. He's sold 333 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:30.720 coffee down there every Saturday for four years. But then 334 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:33.759 a cruiser came by a couple minutes later, and I thought, well, 335 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:36.080 that's that's weird, okay. And then the truck came by 336 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:38.360 again and I said to John, I said, maybe maybe 337 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:39.960 we should pack it up. So I went to my 338 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:43.200 car started to leave, and there was another cruiser halfway 339 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:45.799 up on the curb, and that cop was watching out. 340 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:47.559 And then I when I pulled around to go to 341 00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:49.960 the record shop, which is usually by second stop those mornings, 342 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:52.679 there was yet another police car. This is a town 343 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:55.080 of forty thousand people, and I'd seen now five or 344 00:15:55.120 --> 00:15:57.440 six police cars in the span of about fifteen minutes 345 00:15:57.480 --> 00:16:00.559 in the same one block area. It was weird. Nothing happened, 346 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:03.320 it was just weird. And then to have that happen, 347 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:05.320 and then to have that happen and then this thing 348 00:16:05.399 --> 00:16:07.799 in the evening. It was just it was an odd Saturday. 349 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:09.600 I don't think it adds up to anything sinister. I 350 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:11.799 don't think there's like a grander scheme at work. I 351 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:13.639 just think it was. It was a weird day. 352 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:15.919 Well well the synchronicity s that led up to it. 353 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:19.399 So I decided that I wanted to be a little 354 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:22.240 more outward in Ontario, wanted to meet more people. So 355 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:25.639 I decided to volunteer as a bartender for the Forest 356 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:27.879 City Film Festival, and so I did that. Yeah, it 357 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:29.240 was it was a good time. I'm glad. I'm glad 358 00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:31.679 I did it. And I ended up meeting someone who 359 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:33.720 told me about this guy who has a food account 360 00:16:33.879 --> 00:16:36.039 on Instagram who reviews local food because I was saying 361 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:39.120 that I want to try more local food places. So 362 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:42.279 he put me onto this one sandwich shop that makes 363 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:45.279 these like weird called the Hungry Twists. They make like 364 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:50.039 sandwiches out of Hungarian chimney cakes and yeah, they're tasty. 365 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:52.000 So I went down there one day and I overheard 366 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:54.919 these guys talking about this place called Reed's records, so 367 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:56.840 I wrote it down and I did. At the time, 368 00:16:56.879 --> 00:16:59.480 I didn't have a record player here in Toronto here on, 369 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:02.519 but I like looking at records, and I just kept 370 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:05.559 not going there. Finally, in December, I was about to 371 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:07.240 go for a walk. It was a Saturday morning, and 372 00:17:07.440 --> 00:17:09.039 I got on the elevator at the same time as 373 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:11.440 one of the property managers for my building, and so 374 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:13.160 we I was talking to him and his wife all 375 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:15.960 the way down the stairs, and then we got to 376 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:17.480 the we got to the ground floor, and it turns 377 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:19.440 out there walk in the same direction. So you still 378 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:21.720 got to make more conversation. Okay, fine, and make a 379 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:24.039 more conversation. Well, then it turns out or walk in 380 00:17:24.079 --> 00:17:26.319 the same direction. And at this point I've run out 381 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:27.799 of things to say. I don't I don't want to 382 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:30.960 talk to these people. But again they like when things 383 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:33.279 break down. This is a person who's supposed to be 384 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:35.359 fixing it for me. So I can't just say, like, hey, 385 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:37.359 get out of my life, man. So I pretend that 386 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:39.359 I was intended to go to my car the entire time. 387 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:41.319 So I waved, I walked to the parking lot. Now 388 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:43.519 I'm standing at my car, thinking, OK, where am I going. 389 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:44.920 I was going to go for a walk, and now 390 00:17:44.960 --> 00:17:47.319 I'm just standing here staring at the car. Well, there 391 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:49.279 was that record shop. I'll go check that out. So 392 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:51.519 I drive half an hour south to this record shop 393 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:54.440 pull up, and it turns out it happened to be 394 00:17:54.559 --> 00:17:57.160 the very first day they were having a puff pop 395 00:17:57.240 --> 00:17:59.599 up coffee shop in store, and it was this Union 396 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:02.440 General Coffee. So I went there, bought a coffee, and 397 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:05.079 I ended up talking to the to both Jason who 398 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:07.799 runs Read's Records and John who runs Union General Coffee. 399 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:10.400 I was there for hours. We got along like a 400 00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:14.079 house on fire, and it turns out we just really clicked. 401 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:16.839