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Speaker 3: Sayah, welcome to this edition of Where Did the Road Go?
Speaker 3: And I have with me for the first time ever, Saxon.
Speaker 5: I'm really nervous to be on the show. I've never
Speaker 5: done this before.
Speaker 3: Also for the first time ever, Brennan.
Speaker 6: You gentle, it's my first time.
Speaker 3: And originally Saxon, you and I were going to interview you.
Speaker 5: It's a queen's of mine. Nathan Robert Brown. He's got
Speaker 5: a cryptid book coming out and let's say, let me
Speaker 5: pull the ty love it. I just let it go down.
Speaker 5: It's called The Unexplained Mysteries Scripted Ghosts in UFOs. But
Speaker 5: Nathan's a really interesting guy and I'm looking forward to
Speaker 5: when we get to reschedule with him.
Speaker 3: He was a.
Speaker 5: Demonologist for a while. Yeah, he's written some other interesting books.
Speaker 5: He's got one about Lilith, has an anthropology background and
Speaker 5: I don't know he he'll fit in well. I think
Speaker 5: with the word of the road, go a greater crew
Speaker 5: of folks.
Speaker 3: Nice. Nice, and also I want to point people to
Speaker 3: h Yeah, I also close the thing I needed there.
Speaker 3: It is Danielle Drake dot com and that's d A
Speaker 3: n I E L L E d r a i
Speaker 3: K dot com. And she is doing hopefully she'll be
Speaker 3: on the show soon. But she's doing artwork based on
Speaker 3: experiencers experiences, like she's translating them into artwork from what
Speaker 3: they're describing. And she has some really cool stuff on
Speaker 3: the website and she's going to be doing it. She's
Speaker 3: particularly focusing on the Ithaca area right now. So if
Speaker 3: you're hearing this and you've had an experience and you
Speaker 3: want to share it with her, just go to that
Speaker 3: website and her info's there. But she'll, like I said, hopefully,
Speaker 3: she'll be doing something some kind of a I can't
Speaker 3: remember the name of it for the life of me,
Speaker 3: but basically an art exhibit for a couple of weeks
Speaker 3: in Ithaca in October of all this this stuff. So yeah,
Speaker 3: check that out.
Speaker 5: That's really cool. Her Instagram's awesome and.
Speaker 3: She's very cool. She she also I think we'll fit
Speaker 3: in here very nicely. And let's see. So tonight is
Speaker 3: go wandering the road show because well we had to
Speaker 3: change things up at the last minute. That's all right, Brennan.
Speaker 3: You I'm gonna I'm gonna let you start, Brennan, because
Speaker 3: you said you had a personal encounter thing. Was this
Speaker 3: the Apple Ganger?
Speaker 4: It was?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I tell you, man, without a doubt, this was
Speaker 6: the strangest thing that's happened to me since I first
Speaker 6: saw Shadow people. Yeah, yeah, I know, I goofun here
Speaker 6: a lot, but this is this is straight up one
Speaker 6: of the weirdest things that's happened to be in a
Speaker 6: very long time. So now I I'm now living in Toronto.
Speaker 6: I've been here about a week, but prior to that,
Speaker 6: I was living for a couple of years in London, Ontario.
Speaker 6: And about ten days before I moved, it was a beautiful,
Speaker 6: i want to say, Saturday evening and I decided to
Speaker 6: go for a walk. I left out the building through
Speaker 6: the rear door, tossed my trash in the dumpster, and
Speaker 6: then walked around to Grand Street, which runs paralleled next
Speaker 6: to where my building is. My building, my old building
Speaker 6: is on what's called right Out Street, and so the
Speaker 6: building is quite a long building. It runs most of
Speaker 6: the like I would say, most of the block on
Speaker 6: ride Out and Grand. So typically what I would do
Speaker 6: is I would cross right out, which is quite a
Speaker 6: busy street, and then right in front of my building
Speaker 6: there is a T junction and there's another street called
Speaker 6: Elmwood that goes up to the sort of local neighborhood village.
Speaker 6: So I thought, okay, I'm going to come around the
Speaker 6: side of the building, crossover right out to and then
Speaker 6: walk up Elmwood and walk to the village. Well, traffic
Speaker 6: was pretty heavy that night, and so I was thinking, okay,
Speaker 6: maybe I'm not gonna be able to cross against the light.
Speaker 6: So instead of trying to cross right at the corner,
Speaker 6: I just kind of kept walking in front of my
Speaker 6: building until I was directly across from Elmwood. And as
Speaker 6: I was looking up Elmwood, I saw my friends who
Speaker 6: happened to live in the same building as me. I
Speaker 6: saw them standing with their dog across the street underneath
Speaker 6: the tree. And now I should say I saw them standing.
Speaker 6: I actually thought I thought I saw them run across
Speaker 6: the street because I saw movement, and then I saw
Speaker 6: them standing there with their dog, so I thought they
Speaker 6: had run across the street to beat traffic. Now it
Speaker 6: was it's a running joke between us that they always
Speaker 6: see me first. I am terrible at observation when I'm
Speaker 6: out for a walk. So, folks, if you ever see me,
Speaker 6: I can't imagine why you wouldn't if he ever did anything.
Speaker 6: Oh Brendan, wave at me or wave back? What a jerk?
Speaker 6: I mean, yes I am. But also I just didn't
Speaker 6: see you because I am lost in my head. And
Speaker 6: so I thought it was funny that I saw them
Speaker 6: first this time, so I went. But then I so
Speaker 6: I was standing there looking at them with them and
Speaker 6: the dog, and then I thought, oh, it's weird they
Speaker 6: haven't said anything, or it's weird they haven't like seen me,
Speaker 6: because usually they're right on top of it. So I thought, oh, maybe,
Speaker 6: you know, it's a couple. Maybe they're having a moment too,
Speaker 6: they're having a you know, they're keeping conversation. I'm not
Speaker 6: going to interrupt them, you know. And then it occurred
Speaker 6: to me, wait, hang on, if they were running across
Speaker 6: the street, that means they would have had to have
Speaker 6: started directly across the street from me. So they would
Speaker 6: have seen me. So the only so if they're not
Speaker 6: saying anything, because they never do this. So like I
Speaker 6: was saying, maybe they're just pretending they didn't see, but
Speaker 6: they've never done that before. But I thought, you know what, again,
Speaker 6: there are a couple. Maybe they're having a moment. I'll
Speaker 6: leave them to their devices. We'll talk about it later.
Speaker 6: So instead of going up Elmwood where I ordinarily go,
Speaker 6: I kept going down right out until I got to
Speaker 6: the driveway or building, after which there's a construction zone
Speaker 6: so you can't keep going yet you have to cross
Speaker 6: the street. So went for a long walk. That was
Speaker 6: kind of it. And then about eight thirty I was
Speaker 6: back at home and my friend, one of my friends,
Speaker 6: texted me and she's she was mentioning they were back
Speaker 6: at home. They were watching some kind of movie and
Speaker 6: she said, you know, if you haven't seen it, I
Speaker 6: think you would enjoy it. And she said, oh, by
Speaker 6: the way, I saw you when you were walking. I said,
Speaker 6: hi from the balcony. You had your headphones on. You
Speaker 6: must not heard me. And I said, oh, yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 6: I saw you guys out walking. Marda your dog there.
Speaker 6: She knows it's their dog. You don't know, it's their
Speaker 6: dog walking Marda calm their dog. And she came up
Speaker 6: to see me about half hour later. She says, hey,
Speaker 6: what do you mean you saw us walking? Marda and
Speaker 6: I said, yeah, when you guys were said about seven o'clock,
Speaker 6: when you guys were on Elmwood, I was at the
Speaker 6: foot of it. You guys didn't see me, So I
Speaker 6: kept walking. I thought, it's like again, it seemed insane
Speaker 6: not to go up there. But I thought, if they
Speaker 6: haven't seen me, or if they did see me and
Speaker 6: they're not saying anything, there's a reason. So I think
Speaker 6: we'll laugh about this label. You know, I've known these
Speaker 6: guys for sixteen years. You know, they know what a
Speaker 6: guber I am. I know what guber's they are like,
Speaker 6: there's no secrets, so whatever, we'll just we'll joke about
Speaker 6: this labor. So I told her that and she said, well, no,
Speaker 6: that's she said, that's that's when I saw you in
Speaker 6: the balcony. I said, what do you mean? She says, well,
Speaker 6: you were You crossed the driveway, didn't you. I said, yeah.
Speaker 6: And their balcony looks down over the driveway. It's literally
Speaker 6: right above it, and she said, yeah, I saw you.
Speaker 6: I told that's when I called you out or called
Speaker 6: out to you, but you didn't hear me. And I
Speaker 6: when I go for walks, I have my noise canceling
Speaker 6: headphones on, so I can't hear anything. It was super
Speaker 6: cool with your cross on the street sometimes. But yeah,
Speaker 6: so I said, no, I didn't. I didn't hear you.
Speaker 6: But I said that's not that's not possible because I didn't.
Speaker 6: I only crossed the driveway once and that was after
Speaker 6: I saw you guys across the street. She said nope, nope,
Speaker 6: because we were not outside at that time. And she
Speaker 6: asked me to describe what were we wearing. And I said, okay, well,
Speaker 6: I said, you were wearing your kind of baggy denim
Speaker 6: shorts and a blue shirt. And she says, those shorts
Speaker 6: are at the bottom of the hamper. She said, we
Speaker 6: haven't done laundry yet this week, so I couldn't have
Speaker 6: been wearing them. I can't wear that blue shirt anymore
Speaker 6: because it doesn't fit. And I said, okay, well, she
Speaker 6: said what was he wearing? Her husband, so he was
Speaker 6: wearing his like kind of pale yellow shorts and his
Speaker 6: white button up shirt. She's like, nope, he hasn't had
Speaker 6: that button up shirt for about three years. It tore
Speaker 6: when we were living in Montreal. He doesn't have it anymore.
Speaker 6: So the only thing that made sense was that the
Speaker 6: tree where I saw them, the tree is a tree
Speaker 6: that their dog likes to hang, likes to go to
Speaker 6: because she likes to chew the shoots they grow at
Speaker 6: the bottom of it. But the time I saw them,
Speaker 6: they were still inside, so it was them. I know
Speaker 6: it was them again, I've known these people for a
Speaker 6: very long time, but it could not have been them
Speaker 6: because they were still in their apartment.
Speaker 3: How does that make you feel?
Speaker 6: Brandon weird? Soriah weird, real weird. Because the other thing
Speaker 6: is when I eventually had to cross right out, I
Speaker 6: look back towards Elmwood because I thought, ah, maybe they're gone.
Speaker 6: You know, I really I don't like going down right
Speaker 6: out because there's really nothing. You're just kind of going
Speaker 6: towards downtown, and downtown sucks. So I kind of wanted
Speaker 6: to go back and look through the village because it's
Speaker 6: a nicer walk. But as I look back, I saw
Speaker 6: I thought I saw Marta the dog. I thought I
Speaker 6: saw her legs sticking out from behind the bush, and
Speaker 6: I remember thinking, ah, crowd, Okay, so they're still there,
Speaker 6: you know, so I'm not going to go back yet.
Speaker 6: But thinking about it now, it doesn't make sense because
Speaker 6: I don't think Martin is not long enough for her
Speaker 6: legs to stick out like that. Oh so I don't,
Speaker 6: I genuinely don't. I don't have an answer, but like it,
Speaker 6: it didn't look spooky, it didn't feel spooky. It was legitimately, Oh,
Speaker 6: there's my friends. They're talking under that tree. I will
Speaker 6: catch up with them later when I see them later,
Speaker 6: because we'll probably hang out and do something. And then
Speaker 6: finding out that Nope, I couldn't have been them because
Speaker 6: they were still inside. And not only that, but they
Speaker 6: kind of they had kind of had a bit of
Speaker 6: a bit of a back and forth, I guess, because
Speaker 6: he had forgotten to do the laundry, and I think
Speaker 6: he had like something had happened, and he carelessly kind
Speaker 6: of knocked over the you know, the family bong and
Speaker 6: it had broken, you know, the house bong, and so
Speaker 6: she was kind of choked about that. So she said
Speaker 6: actually when she saw me, it was good for her
Speaker 6: because she was really happy. She was really mad, and
Speaker 6: they both had just come home from work, so they
Speaker 6: both have very stressful jobs, so tensions are already high.
Speaker 6: So and then she said seeing me down at the
Speaker 6: driveway was kind of like a bit of a oh
Speaker 6: because I never walked that way anymore because of the construction,
Speaker 6: so seeing me like, oh, hey, let's brand And she
Speaker 6: said it kind of distracted her from what she was.
Speaker 6: She was like getting kind of working herself up, and
Speaker 6: that had sort of distracted her. So it's almost like
Speaker 6: there was a positive outcome of this, but I still
Speaker 6: feel very strange about it because it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: Well, so you got directed that way because you saw them,
Speaker 3: which means that they saw you and they wouldn't have otherwise. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: she saw me correct and that changed her mood. So
Speaker 3: maybe something created that situation to help her release that mood.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's the only thing that makes any kind
Speaker 6: of sense. As much as it makes sense, that's the
Speaker 6: one that makes me go okay, Like this helped her.
Speaker 6: So maybe there's some validity to this, there's a reason,
Speaker 6: but it's still it just raises a lot oh sure
Speaker 6: of other questions.
Speaker 3: Did she manage to create a hallucination for you. It's
Speaker 3: something aside, Oh, you need to walk this way. I'm
Speaker 3: going to create this image for you.
Speaker 6: Too bad.
Speaker 3: There wasn't someone else that could have been like, oh yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I saw them too, so you knew whether or not
Speaker 3: it was only something in your perception or a shared perception.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's and I genuinely have no idea. In another
Speaker 6: kind of bizarre coincidence, it turns out I was out
Speaker 6: for a walk the other day in my new neighborhood
Speaker 6: and I realized that I am living in exactly the
Speaker 6: same neighborhood my friends and I had said, Man, I
Speaker 6: think we'd like, we'd all like to live here in
Speaker 6: this neighborhood when we moved to Toronto cool, and I
Speaker 6: did not. I'd forgotten about that completely. And I only
Speaker 6: ended up at this apartment because the other one. I
Speaker 6: was looking at the woman who was going to be
Speaker 6: the landlord. When I decided that I was going to
Speaker 6: do it, she raised the rent of the line, right right,
Speaker 6: I remember this? Yeah, yeah, So I ended up here,
Speaker 6: and I was not intending to be here. This was
Speaker 6: a It wasn't even really what I wanted. I didn't
Speaker 6: really want to live in a basement because of how
Speaker 6: dark it can get. But I ended up here and
Speaker 6: I was walking around. There's a cafe called like the
Speaker 6: Nut Milk Cafe or something, and of course we laughed
Speaker 6: about this until our stupid stomach's hurt. And me was saying, like,
Speaker 6: oh we should you know, one day you'll live near
Speaker 6: the nut Milk Cafe And now I'm like blocks away
Speaker 6: from this place.
Speaker 3: Wait, why is it being dark bad?
Speaker 6: Because I don't know. At some point it's nice to
Speaker 6: see the sun.
Speaker 3: No, it's not. I disagree wholeheartedly with that.
Speaker 6: I mean, my old place got too much sun this.
Speaker 6: I didn't wake up till nine thirty this morning, which
Speaker 6: is an hour and a half after I usually wake up,
Speaker 6: because I smoked the blunt before I went to bed
Speaker 6: and we had a storm, so there is no sunlight whatsoever.
Speaker 6: I woke up, it looked like ten pm and instead
Speaker 6: it was ten am.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, Yeah, like that feeds my depression so much.
Speaker 6: Winter is going to be a bit of a challenge.
Speaker 6: I'm going to have to have some sun in there.
Speaker 3: You guys are weird.
Speaker 5: Too much time in New York City just because of
Speaker 5: all the buildings around and not ever really like seeing
Speaker 5: the sun. It starts to get to me, even though
Speaker 5: I pretty much prefer being a wicked night. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also I have to say, well, this bong was passed
Speaker 3: down from my great great great grandfather. This is the
Speaker 3: family bomb. Yeah.
Speaker 6: No, not an ancestral bond, more like a host bong.
Speaker 3: But that's what comes to mind when you say the
Speaker 3: family bog, like it's been passed down for AONs and
Speaker 3: you broke it.
Speaker 6: The sacred bong.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure they're out there.
Speaker 6: Oh, I have no doubt. So that was my That
Speaker 6: was my doppelganger experience. That was very strange.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really weird.
Speaker 6: Capped off an odd day because it Saturdays. I've been
Speaker 6: ever since the summer, or sorry, ever since the winter. Rather,
Speaker 6: I've been spending my Saturdays down in Saint Thomas. The
Speaker 6: sound of Saint Thomas, Ontario and that and even how
Speaker 6: I got started down there is kind of a weird
Speaker 6: series of synchronicities, but I'll get those for now. But
Speaker 6: that day I was down there, and what I usually
Speaker 6: do on Saturday is I go down I shoot the
Speaker 6: breeze with John from Union General Coffee, who has a
Speaker 6: stand down there. And we were, so we were shooting
Speaker 6: the breeze. They closed up and we were just standing
Speaker 6: there next to his trailer as we were just again
Speaker 6: catching up because he had quite a busy morning and
Speaker 6: everyone else had left the market, so it was just us.
Speaker 6: And so when the police truck first passed us by,
Speaker 6: I thought, oh, okay, they're whatever just scoping us out.
Speaker 6: I'm sure they must know who John is. He's sold
Speaker 6: coffee down there every Saturday for four years. But then
Speaker 6: a cruiser came by a couple minutes later, and I thought, well,
Speaker 6: that's that's weird, okay. And then the truck came by
Speaker 6: again and I said to John, I said, maybe maybe
Speaker 6: we should pack it up. So I went to my
Speaker 6: car started to leave, and there was another cruiser halfway
Speaker 6: up on the curb, and that cop was watching out.
Speaker 6: And then I when I pulled around to go to
Speaker 6: the record shop, which is usually by second stop those mornings,
Speaker 6: there was yet another police car. This is a town
Speaker 6: of forty thousand people, and I'd seen now five or
Speaker 6: six police cars in the span of about fifteen minutes
Speaker 6: in the same one block area. It was weird. Nothing happened,
Speaker 6: it was just weird. And then to have that happen,
Speaker 6: and then to have that happen and then this thing
Speaker 6: in the evening. It was just it was an odd Saturday.
Speaker 6: I don't think it adds up to anything sinister. I
Speaker 6: don't think there's like a grander scheme at work. I
Speaker 6: just think it was. It was a weird day.
Speaker 3: Well well the synchronicity s that led up to it.
Speaker 6: So I decided that I wanted to be a little
Speaker 6: more outward in Ontario, wanted to meet more people. So
Speaker 6: I decided to volunteer as a bartender for the Forest
Speaker 6: City Film Festival, and so I did that. Yeah, it
Speaker 6: was it was a good time. I'm glad. I'm glad
Speaker 6: I did it. And I ended up meeting someone who
Speaker 6: told me about this guy who has a food account
Speaker 6: on Instagram who reviews local food because I was saying
Speaker 6: that I want to try more local food places. So
Speaker 6: he put me onto this one sandwich shop that makes
Speaker 6: these like weird called the Hungry Twists. They make like
Speaker 6: sandwiches out of Hungarian chimney cakes and yeah, they're tasty.
Speaker 6: So I went down there one day and I overheard
Speaker 6: these guys talking about this place called Reed's records, so
Speaker 6: I wrote it down and I did. At the time,
Speaker 6: I didn't have a record player here in Toronto here on,
Speaker 6: but I like looking at records, and I just kept
Speaker 6: not going there. Finally, in December, I was about to
Speaker 6: go for a walk. It was a Saturday morning, and
Speaker 6: I got on the elevator at the same time as
Speaker 6: one of the property managers for my building, and so
Speaker 6: we I was talking to him and his wife all
Speaker 6: the way down the stairs, and then we got to
Speaker 6: the we got to the ground floor, and it turns
Speaker 6: out there walk in the same direction. So you still
Speaker 6: got to make more conversation. Okay, fine, and make a
Speaker 6: more conversation. Well, then it turns out or walk in
Speaker 6: the same direction. And at this point I've run out
Speaker 6: of things to say. I don't I don't want to
Speaker 6: talk to these people. But again they like when things
Speaker 6: break down. This is a person who's supposed to be
Speaker 6: fixing it for me. So I can't just say, like, hey,
Speaker 6: get out of my life, man. So I pretend that
Speaker 6: I was intended to go to my car the entire time.
Speaker 6: So I waved, I walked to the parking lot. Now
Speaker 6: I'm standing at my car, thinking, OK, where am I going.
Speaker 6: I was going to go for a walk, and now
Speaker 6: I'm just standing here staring at the car. Well, there
Speaker 6: was that record shop. I'll go check that out. So
Speaker 6: I drive half an hour south to this record shop
Speaker 6: pull up, and it turns out it happened to be
Speaker 6: the very first day they were having a puff pop
Speaker 6: up coffee shop in store, and it was this Union
Speaker 6: General Coffee. So I went there, bought a coffee, and
Speaker 6: I ended up talking to the to both Jason who
Speaker 6: runs Read's Records and John who runs Union General Coffee.
Speaker 6: I was there for hours. We got along like a
Speaker 6: house on fire, and it turns out we just really clicked.
Speaker 6: So every Saturday all through the winter they had this
Speaker 6: coffee pop up and it was you know, business kind
Speaker 6: of was good, bad, sort of dependent it. It wasn't amazing,
Speaker 6: but it gave us opportunities to get to know each other,
Speaker 6: shoot the breeze and yeah. And so it turns out
Speaker 6: that because I volunteered at this at this film festival
Speaker 6: and I bought a sandwich in this shop and heard
Speaker 6: about this place, and then because I was socially awkward
Speaker 6: and didn't want to talk to my property manager, I
Speaker 6: met these two cool guys and ended up like I
Speaker 6: now have a nice little record collection. As I was
Speaker 6: describing off Air and John, like, I'm quite friendly with
Speaker 6: both of them. You know, we hang out every Saturday
Speaker 6: and shoot the breeze and we're gonna be doing a
Speaker 6: barbecue here when I head back to Onterret, when I
Speaker 6: head back to finish cleaning out my apartment. So just
Speaker 6: a series of coincidences, but it all kind of lined
Speaker 6: up perfectly. Reduce these new people to my life, and
Speaker 6: then meet to theirs.
Speaker 3: So now everyone knows your schedule, everyone knows my Well
Speaker 3: that was before.
Speaker 6: I don't I don't do that now, but I mean, hey,
Speaker 6: you want to come find me it reads Records Saturday mornings.
Speaker 6: You might find me there. And I don't know why
Speaker 6: you'd want to find me there, but you're welcome to.
Speaker 3: And Brennan is a very small, dimutative man. He has
Speaker 3: very very long hair, very long hair. Yes, can't miss him.
Speaker 5: But also if you go in, you should you should
Speaker 5: definitely buy records.
Speaker 6: That's true, five foot four long. I kind of looked
Speaker 6: like a homunculus.
Speaker 3: Right a little bit. Yeah, I didn't want to say that,
Speaker 3: but yeah, very kind let's see my weird stuff. I
Speaker 3: got again had an incident where I'd laid down to
Speaker 3: go to sleep and heard a worrying noise in the
Speaker 3: ear in my right ear that was against the pillow.
Speaker 3: Didn't make anything of it, like, didn't even really notice
Speaker 3: it until it changed pitch and slowed down, like like
Speaker 3: whatever was fueling it was turning off. And then I
Speaker 3: was like, wait, where is that coming from? Like there's
Speaker 3: nothing that makes that noise. And this has now happened
Speaker 3: numerous times, Like I know all the sounds that everything makes,
Speaker 3: this is not one of them. So I don't know
Speaker 3: what to ascribe that too, because I've heard it Like
Speaker 3: this time, I think I was like I had kind
Speaker 3: of woken up and heard it, and then it like
Speaker 3: it was just like we were like like almost like
Speaker 3: a fan running kind of thing, like an engine spinning,
Speaker 3: and then it would just like it's just like it
Speaker 3: lost power and it slowed down and stopped, and then
Speaker 3: I was like, wait a minute, that's not a thing,
Speaker 3: Like what what just happen? Other times it's happened as
Speaker 3: soon as I'd laid down, and I've been like, wait,
Speaker 3: why am I hearing? What is that? And I and
Speaker 3: then it just stops, So I don't know if I remember. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, I don't know if it's like
Speaker 3: a Kundalini thing, because I mean that can give you
Speaker 3: audio hallucinations, and my Cundellini does tend to spike up
Speaker 3: when I go to sleep, which is always fun when
Speaker 3: you're trying to get to sleep, by the way, So
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's that or if it's some
Speaker 3: other kind of like hypnogogic thing, but it's happening a
Speaker 3: decent amount, and it's just it's one of those I
Speaker 3: noticed more when it stops and then I'm like, wait,
Speaker 3: where was that sound coming from?
Speaker 6: Well? I remember reading in Dark Intrusions, Lewis Proud's book
Speaker 6: about sleep paralysis. He mentions that there's there are some
Speaker 6: sounds that a company that people were hearing. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: one of the it wasn't what you're describing, but it
Speaker 6: was like a dentist's drill, like call wine.
Speaker 5: Oh interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, it's been a long time since I've
Speaker 6: read it. And what's weird is I remember one night
Speaker 6: or sorry, one day, I was at work in the
Speaker 6: back of my old office, the haunted office that I
Speaker 6: always talk about and they had or sorry. I hopped
Speaker 6: on a Skype call with one of our engineers and
Speaker 6: as we're chatting, we heard this. I heard, I heard
Speaker 6: this like wine, this sort of like yeah, sound like
Speaker 6: a dental drill and or a drill rather. And so
Speaker 6: after it was done, I said, oh, you haven't some
Speaker 6: work done at the house and he said, I was
Speaker 6: about to ask you the same thing. He said, that
Speaker 6: wasn't me, but we both heard this intense drilling noise.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sorry, you had like the British accident woman's voice
Speaker 5: you heard before too.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yeah, saying hello.
Speaker 5: I don't know, that's interesting, you know. I would please
Speaker 5: something the other day that was talking about some of
Speaker 5: the lights that people would see coming into their rooms.
Speaker 5: They thought they were probes that were monitoring them or
Speaker 5: something like that. I don't know why that brought that
Speaker 5: to mine. Interesting and I've never had a go ahead, Brintan,
Speaker 5: what's that?
Speaker 6: I was just curious to know what the British lady
Speaker 6: says to straya Hello.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's literally I'll be laying a bed awake and I'll
Speaker 3: hear from the other room hello, Hello, and then obviously
Speaker 3: there's no one there.
Speaker 6: That's wild because that happened to Nick and I once.
Speaker 6: Really yeah, back when we when we were waiting for
Speaker 6: her immigrant paperwork to process. We were still living in
Speaker 6: the UK. We're living with her mom, and we were
Speaker 6: in I woke up in the middle of the night
Speaker 6: and I heard a woman's voice on the other side
Speaker 6: of her bedroom door saying, hello, Peter, are you in there? Peter?
Speaker 6: And I didn't know what to do because it wasn't
Speaker 6: it wasn't her mom's voice. And then Nick got up.
Speaker 6: I thought to answer the door, and I remember saying
Speaker 6: what are you doing? And she looked at me all
Speaker 6: sleepy and said, I'm gonna go pee. So it was
Speaker 6: she hadn't heard it, but I had absolutely heard this,
Speaker 6: this British woman's voice on the other side of the door.
Speaker 3: In this case, I will say the voice almost it
Speaker 3: was like Steph Young. Interesting, So yeah, I don't it
Speaker 3: hasn't happened in a long time, but it's just one
Speaker 3: of those things that, like what happened on occasion, I'd
Speaker 3: be like, the hell, it's the voice again, And Steph
Speaker 3: Young is just living in your walls like a frogger.
Speaker 3: She's projecting here.
Speaker 5: I hope that that she's got some kind of like
Speaker 5: familiar that's like Jeff the mongoose. That's what you hear,
Speaker 5: like hitting the roof now and then and then stuff too.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, that hasn't happened in a while. Luckily.
Speaker 3: I always worry it's something that's going to cause damage
Speaker 3: more than anything else.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that would be no good. I had a robotic
Speaker 5: voice one time. It was like a robotic female voice.
Speaker 5: But that's that's the only time I've ever had that.
Speaker 5: And I really couldn't tell you what was said other
Speaker 5: than I just heard somebody talking.
Speaker 3: I had that, and I wish I could remember what
Speaker 3: it was, but it was from It was after the
Speaker 3: ghost Hunters Live thing, the last one they did, because
Speaker 3: Grant was very obviously faking stuff. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 3: it was the first one that he was obviously faking
Speaker 3: stuff on, and it seemed like Jason was really upset
Speaker 3: about it was kind of trying to thwart him off
Speaker 3: from doing it, and I mean, not knowing exactly what
Speaker 3: was going on, I speculate that Grant was like, look,
Speaker 3: all these other shows are finding stuff. We can't do
Speaker 3: this like six hour live show and not find things.
Speaker 3: You know, and Jason was probably like, no, we don't
Speaker 3: do that, and I'm guessing that's where that's where that
Speaker 3: came from. But there's there's a hallway that they walked
Speaker 3: past or a room they walked past, and this electronic
Speaker 3: voice says something and I mean it sounds like a recording,
Speaker 3: and he triggers it both times he walks past the door,
Speaker 3: and Jason's literally ignoring it, going that's nothing, We're not
Speaker 3: going to look at that, and which again is a
Speaker 3: weird response if he thinks it's something real because he
Speaker 3: obviously heard it. And so that that night, I'm like
Speaker 3: really annoyed after watching this thing, very disappointed in them,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, it didn't even sound like a real voice.
Speaker 3: And then I wake up at some point during the
Speaker 3: night and from my closet a voice that sounds exactly
Speaker 3: like that says something completely absurd, and I did not
Speaker 3: write down what it was at the time, but like
Speaker 3: I just kind of laughed and went, okay, all right,
Speaker 3: So just because it sounds fake doesn't mean it is fake, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5: You know, mine sounded very like, oh, like you would
Speaker 5: hear a woman's voice, like a robotic voice on a
Speaker 5: subway or something announcing a stop. Oh okay, a movie
Speaker 5: or something like that. So it's like, you know, airy
Speaker 5: and hollow and a little bit of that like sound
Speaker 5: wave reburb effect from the Transformers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: I wish I also knew what it said, because I
Speaker 5: don't remember anything. It's just something going to happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of this stuff is just something that happened,
Speaker 3: you know. I've had the beeps and stuff or sounds
Speaker 3: that like, for the life of me, it sounds like
Speaker 3: my phone is making and I'm like, what the hell,
Speaker 3: why is my phone making that noise? And I'll pick
Speaker 3: up my phone and my phone will not be doing anything,
Speaker 3: but it will be on like it was doing something,
Speaker 3: and it's like, my phone doesn't make these noises.
Speaker 7: What was that?
Speaker 6: I always just assume THAT'SU Like, was it Saudi spyware
Speaker 6: the Pegasus stuff?
Speaker 3: Maybe right? And I'm like, okay, was that just in
Speaker 3: my head? Was that sort of a hypnagogic thing? Because
Speaker 3: that was really clear and I was fairly alert and
Speaker 3: annoyed because it woke me up. So I had one
Speaker 3: other weird thing happen, and this I got on camera
Speaker 3: for what it's worth anyway. So this was something that
Speaker 3: has happened before, and the most extreme version of it was.
Speaker 3: And I filled this story many times. I had on
Speaker 3: like satellite radio whatever on the TV because it was
Speaker 3: like I got done watching setting through that on was
Speaker 3: listening to it until ACDC came out, and I don't
Speaker 3: like ACDC all that much, so I muted it and
Speaker 3: I walked into the next room, and as I got
Speaker 3: into that room, the stereo cranked too full volume, and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god. And I went back
Speaker 3: in there and muted it again, and I was like,
Speaker 3: what the hell? And then I heard a loud funk
Speaker 3: for the next room that I was just in, and
Speaker 3: I went in there and found my mom's old tomato grinder,
Speaker 3: cast iron tomato grinder that was on the top shelf
Speaker 3: near the back in the middle of the floor, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, and then the stereo cranked up again, and
Speaker 3: I went, are you what the hell is going on?
Speaker 3: And so I walked in and I muted it and
Speaker 3: I said, I don't like ACDC, don't don't do that again.
Speaker 3: And so then nothing happened until I went to record
Speaker 3: ware at the road Go that night and I know
Speaker 3: josh was on the call. Might have been josh and Tim.
Speaker 3: I don't remember exactly, but you both have new books out,
Speaker 3: by the way, Joshua, Joshua Renner and Tim Kutchen have
Speaker 3: new books out. Yep, that's that's what my brain was
Speaker 3: gonna say. Anyway, they both have new books out, Josh
Speaker 3: and Tim. But the switch on my microphone turned off
Speaker 3: while I was talking. I didn't hear it. I didn't know,
Speaker 3: you know, like I didn't know anything was wrong. And
Speaker 3: they're like, I think we lost Sarayah, And I'm like,
Speaker 3: what what do you mean? And then it's like I
Speaker 3: go to like turn the mic off and on, and
Speaker 3: the MIC's already off and I'm like, well, I didn't
Speaker 3: do that how And I turn it back on and
Speaker 3: then like within like five minutes, it does it again.
Speaker 3: And I was like, what this is weird because I'm
Speaker 3: like right here, you know, like it's it's an inch
Speaker 3: or two from my face. And then the other thing
Speaker 3: that happen is apparently whatever whatever poltergeist this was unzipped
Speaker 3: the CD case I used to stick to the radio
Speaker 3: station pre COVID, and it's not something that I could
Speaker 3: have not zipped, because if I tried to put it
Speaker 3: down on zipped, everything would have fallen out of it.
Speaker 3: It had to have been unzipped on the floor where
Speaker 3: it was. And so the next day when I picked
Speaker 3: it up, CDs went everywhere and I was like, I'll
Speaker 3: take it. This happened last night. So the other night
Speaker 3: I was this is nowhere near as dramatic, unfortunately, But
Speaker 3: I was cleaning off the table in the library so
Speaker 3: I could build someone a computer, and the table was
Speaker 3: just covered with stuff. So I was cleaning it and
Speaker 3: I had my phone streaming through the stereo and instantly
Speaker 3: it was at full volume. Now here's the thing. If
Speaker 3: you grab the remote and turn up the volume, it
Speaker 3: goes up at an arc. It doesn't go from whatever
Speaker 3: volume you're at to full volume. Say, this was like
Speaker 3: a snap like and it was loud, and my first
Speaker 3: thought is like, did I hit my phone because it
Speaker 3: was streaming from the phone, Like did I hit it
Speaker 3: and turned the volume up or something. But the phone
Speaker 3: was sitting at the other side of the room. You know,
Speaker 3: I'll take and I was like, nope, nope, didn't touch
Speaker 3: the phone. So I went in and the stereo was
Speaker 3: cranked as loud as it would go, and then I
Speaker 3: turned it down and it stayed down, and I was like,
Speaker 3: what else is gonna happen? But then nothing obvious followed
Speaker 3: it unfortunately what the camera was in the room, you know,
Speaker 3: I had the cameras in the room, so I got that.
Speaker 3: And everyone I've played it for is like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: you know, like because it jumps so loud so suddenly.
Speaker 3: So I'll put that up somewhere at some point. There's
Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff I need to put up. I
Speaker 3: just got to. I just want to clean it up
Speaker 3: a little bit, like the videotape jumping off the speaker.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's it's just it's not proof of anything.
Speaker 3: It's just weird. Like taking it up. Take it for
Speaker 3: what it is. You know, the stereo cranking up is weird.
Speaker 3: I don't know what did it. I mean stray electromag
Speaker 3: I mean, but that's if I say, like, okay, the
Speaker 3: stereo picked up a stray signal that thought was the
Speaker 3: remote Still it went from the volume I was listening
Speaker 3: at two full volume in a second.
Speaker 6: I just love the idea that you've got. There are
Speaker 6: spirits who desperately want to make you listen to a
Speaker 6: cy DC.
Speaker 5: That's exactly what I was thinking too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, these are the evil ultraterrestrials. Make him listen to
Speaker 6: Big Balls again.
Speaker 3: I mean listened after I said I don't like ac DC,
Speaker 3: so I mean, you know, and it went and did
Speaker 3: other stuff instead.
Speaker 6: You'll know it's an evil spirit when it's playing one
Speaker 6: of their new albums.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: Yeah, here's Satellite Blues or whatever it's called.
Speaker 3: I couldn't even name it. I mean I don't. It's
Speaker 3: not even that like I hate a CDC. I do
Speaker 3: hate some ac DC. I just they have one song. Really,
Speaker 3: it's the same basic idea in different variations, and it
Speaker 3: just bores me.
Speaker 6: I mean that's fair. I haven't liked the new ACDC
Speaker 6: album in a very long time. I listened to singles
Speaker 6: more than anything. I also Satellite Blues. I think it's
Speaker 6: a single. It's not a I thought it was an album.
Speaker 6: I thought it was being very clever there, but I
Speaker 6: know my brain betrayed me.
Speaker 5: You know, I like some of the Brian Johnson stuff,
Speaker 5: but the Bond Scott a CDC is is really where
Speaker 5: it's at for me, and some of the stuff that
Speaker 5: they did together was, Oh no, it's cheeky and fun
Speaker 5: and a little bit more diverse. Then they got, you know,
Speaker 5: once they got into the eighties and things like that, And.
Speaker 3: That's the thing, Like the earlier stuff is hit and
Speaker 3: miss with me, but at least it doesn't sound generic. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: back in Black, I enjoy that. That's probably the only
Speaker 3: ACDC album I own. I never listened to it because
Speaker 3: I've heard it a million times, and you know, there's
Speaker 3: just so much great new music I don't need to
Speaker 3: listen to as which is kind of my criteria. A
Speaker 3: lot of times it's like, yeah, this is good, but
Speaker 3: it's not as good as these other bands that are new.
Speaker 3: That makes sense, so especially when you know a band
Speaker 3: comes back and they do an album. There was someone recently,
Speaker 3: Crimson Glory. I love Crimson Glory, and they did two
Speaker 3: great albums in the eighties. Then they kind of or
Speaker 3: maybe like late eighties, early nineties, they did one after
Speaker 3: that called Strange and Beautiful that has a couple songs
Speaker 3: on it that I like, but overall I did not
Speaker 3: really care for it. Then they broke up and got
Speaker 3: back together in the late nineties with a different vocalist
Speaker 3: and I love that record, and then he know, they
Speaker 3: broke up again. Then they were going to do stuff,
Speaker 3: but then the original vocalist died, and then they were
Speaker 3: going to get Todd Latour, who then also was is
Speaker 3: now singing for Queen Strike and he wanted to do
Speaker 3: both and they were like no, So now they have
Speaker 3: a new vocalist. And like this album came out and
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, cool, new Crimson Glory and I listened
Speaker 3: to it and I'm like, I mean, if it wasn't
Speaker 3: Crimson Glory, this would be just okay. But also being
Speaker 3: Crimson Glory, it has a lot to live up to
Speaker 3: and it's just not there. But I know people who
Speaker 3: are like, oh, it's great, it's I can't believe Crimson
Speaker 3: Glory are back. I'm like, but it doesn't. It doesn't
Speaker 3: sound like them. I mean some bands get back together
Speaker 3: even with like one original member and it still sounds
Speaker 3: like them. There's still that vibe, that feel that they had,
Speaker 3: and so many of them it's just like, just call
Speaker 3: yourself something else.
Speaker 5: Yeah, is it what war that there's like two bands
Speaker 5: touring is war or something like that.
Speaker 3: There's a bunch of cases like that, actually, you know who,
Speaker 3: there's two bands of Saxon.
Speaker 5: I wasn ask I walked into that.
Speaker 3: One one is now biff Biffert's Saxon, I think. But
Speaker 3: technically there are two Saxons. Yeah, and you're in both
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean because that's what happens to get like
Speaker 3: most of the band goes one way and then like
Speaker 3: one of the members will go the other way. They'll
Speaker 3: both use the name.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But I think with like War, you know.
Speaker 5: The all original band members retired, and like there was
Speaker 5: a keyboardist or something that had joined the band at
Speaker 5: some point later in their career, and then he kind
Speaker 5: of reformed the band somehow, and so like you know,
Speaker 5: his connection to the original bands like fairly tenuous. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and then some of the original members decided to get
Speaker 5: back together, and so yeah, it's it's it's strange.
Speaker 3: There are It's always weird when you have a band
Speaker 3: that's been going forever and it's like, okay, there's no
Speaker 3: original members left, Like is it is it even the
Speaker 3: same band?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 3: It's that what's the name of the ship? Analogy there?
Speaker 5: If you're a place, I remember the name of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, there we go. Thank you. You know, have
Speaker 3: you replaced all the pieces of the ship? Is at
Speaker 3: the same ship, Like if you replace all the band members,
Speaker 3: is it the same now? In saying that a band
Speaker 3: like Napalm Death has had original members since very early on,
Speaker 3: like everyone who formed it left, So everyone that's been
Speaker 3: in Napalm Death since early on was not in the
Speaker 3: original lineup of Napalm Death. But that's kind of a
Speaker 3: different thing because they made their career after that point,
Speaker 3: so you know, like they didn't do much prior with
Speaker 3: the original lineup, but once they got a solid lineup,
Speaker 3: even though it was no original members, that's when they
Speaker 3: started really making their mark. So yeah, it's always weird
Speaker 3: with stuff like that. So many times it's just like, oh,
Speaker 3: one original member, all right.
Speaker 6: This topic always makes me think of that old Simpsons
Speaker 6: gag of you know that someone refers to a band like,
Speaker 6: oh and you know, thanks for music thanks to the
Speaker 6: Queen's Reich, and the guys in the band were like,
Speaker 6: I thought we were quiet riot and the other guy
Speaker 6: says the drum kit says, we're rat.
Speaker 3: And I mean that is a question where does the
Speaker 3: soul of something lie?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that's a great question. I know I
Speaker 6: was just as we were talking about it, I was
Speaker 6: looking up at the Gates because obviously, you know they've
Speaker 6: lost Thomas Limberg, their vocalists. Yeah, yeah, and I know
Speaker 6: they had one more album coming out, and I was
Speaker 6: trying to see what they were going to do after
Speaker 6: and they don't know. Yeah, And like that's an example
Speaker 6: where I think, you know, it's full of talented musicians,
Speaker 6: but without Thomas Limberg, can ye be at the Gates?
Speaker 3: Well? Thomas he was. Yeah, he was at the Gates
Speaker 3: and to his credit, I mean, because he died from
Speaker 3: complications from surgery. I can't remember he had answer.
Speaker 6: He had throat and palette cancer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so he was going in to have it
Speaker 3: operated on. He said, even if I survived this, I
Speaker 3: don't know if I'm ever going to be able to
Speaker 3: sing again. So before he went for surgery, he went
Speaker 3: in and recorded all the vocals for the new record
Speaker 3: which is coming out. Now we have either the whole
Speaker 3: thing or a few songs for it already for the
Speaker 3: last Exit. Oh wow, So that was a very.
Speaker 6: April twenty fourth Wikipedia.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, so we probably have the whole thing
Speaker 3: and it's good, you know, like, I've listened to one
Speaker 3: song so far, but I liked it. I was like,
Speaker 3: this is really cool. I'm like, oh, it's at the
Speaker 3: Gates of course cool. I did love.
Speaker 6: I didn't love the last one, Nightmare of Being, so
Speaker 6: I'm excited to hear the new one. I like to
Speaker 6: drink from the night itself. I didn't love Nightmare of Being.
Speaker 3: I mean the first handful of the best.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, yeah, no, that's fair. I mean I
Speaker 6: think I'm slaughter of the Soul. I'm not saying anything
Speaker 6: controversial to say that's one of the greatest melodic death
Speaker 6: metal albums of all time.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. But I also loved The Red and the
Speaker 3: Sky is Ours.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember I downloaded those sort of
Speaker 6: in the early days of sort of what you call
Speaker 6: it file sharing, so like Napster and things like that.
Speaker 6: So I it was the first I think it was
Speaker 6: one of my first torrents. It was the first four albums,
Speaker 6: so it was The Red, The Red and the Sky
Speaker 6: is Ours. With Grief, I Kissed the burning darkness, the
Speaker 6: Guards of Grief, or no, with Something, I Kissed the
Speaker 6: Burning darkness Gardens of Grief, ep with Fear and then
Speaker 6: Slaughter of This That's it? Is it? Gardens of Fear?
Speaker 6: No or with Fear?
Speaker 3: I kissed the Burning Darkness?
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, And so I downloaded those and I listened
Speaker 6: to an Order and I remember thinking even the first
Speaker 6: Coup albums of oh oh there's something here, yes, And
Speaker 6: then I heard Slaughter of the Soul and I just
Speaker 6: it just blew the top of my head open. And
Speaker 6: when they announced at War with Reality, I actually bought
Speaker 6: new headphones to listen to it because I was so excited.
Speaker 6: And then when I bought it, I was then afraid
Speaker 6: to listen to it because I was worried I wouldn't
Speaker 6: like it. Yeah, so I didn't actually listen to at
Speaker 6: War with Reality until To Drink from the Night Itself
Speaker 6: came out.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I still have those headphones. I ended up
Speaker 6: using them for my podcast. But yeah, I was. And
Speaker 6: I saw him once in Vancouver, which was a thrill.
Speaker 3: Yeah I never saw that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was it was. It was good. It was
Speaker 6: a good show. But yeah, way way back. That's how
Speaker 6: it got into like opath and oh who's the other
Speaker 6: one from oh you got the album? Maybe it's just
Speaker 6: got the album? I want to say Wild Honey, oh
Speaker 6: tmtt Tam Matte, that's it. Yeah, yeah, I got into
Speaker 6: a bunch of those bands thanks to the magic of
Speaker 6: old school torrenting.
Speaker 3: I will I will say if anyone is interested in
Speaker 3: knowing more about Tomas, we did a well. I did
Speaker 3: a tribute show for him on the Last Exit last year.
Speaker 3: It's in the archive and I played stuff from like
Speaker 3: a ton of different projects he was in or evolved in,
Speaker 3: and basically talked about his life and career.
Speaker 6: Oh cool, I'd love to listen to that because I
Speaker 6: love that dude. Like I've got that album he did
Speaker 6: with The Crown. Crown Depth and Terror is I think
Speaker 6: again one of the greatest records of all time, Like
Speaker 6: the Speed of Darkness from that record is, yes, a masterpiece.
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Speaker 6: Actually, just before we get going, I had a funny
Speaker 6: wrestling related synchronicity. So a couple of nights ago, like
Speaker 6: I said, I just moved to Toronto and one night
Speaker 6: it was Sunday, I was about ten o'clock and I thought, hey,
Speaker 6: you know, I kind of want to smoke a joint,
Speaker 6: so and I didn't have any, so I thought, I'm
Speaker 6: going to take a walk. I walked up the sort
Speaker 6: of main street not far from where I live, and
Speaker 6: there's a twenty four hour dispensary about a fifteen minute
Speaker 6: walk down there. And all the way there, I passed
Speaker 6: this one cocktail bar on the corner and I thought, oh,
Speaker 6: I hadn't really intended to go for a drink after
Speaker 6: I got out here, but I kind of want to
Speaker 6: get check out that place. So went and bought my joint,
Speaker 6: smoked it on the way back, and as I passed
Speaker 6: that bar again, I thought, no, you know, I'm going
Speaker 6: to go in there. And I sat down at the bar.
Speaker 6: Dude next to me was talking to his buddies about
Speaker 6: movies and he mentioned Universal Soldier and I heard him
Speaker 6: say something to the effect of, oh, you know, Jean
Speaker 6: Claud van damendulph Lunder and they're not in any of
Speaker 6: them other than the first one, which of course is incorrect.
Speaker 6: And being the wild autist that I am, after his
Speaker 6: buddies left, I kind of leaned over and said him, Man,
Speaker 6: Dolf and JCVD are actually in Regeneration and Day of Reckoning,
Speaker 6: and he looked at me, and we talked movies until
Speaker 6: the bar closed, and then we went to it. We
Speaker 6: ran into a friend of his who invited us out
Speaker 6: to a different bar, which we also closed talking about movies.
Speaker 6: But it turned out that we had both been in
Speaker 6: the same seventy millimeters screening of Disclosure Day earlier that afternoon. No,
Speaker 6: fin Yeah, it's just random coincidence. This is the one
Speaker 6: bar that I was called into happened to be the
Speaker 6: same place as dude who was sitting like ten seats
Speaker 6: away from me earlier in the day was.
Speaker 3: Well, that seems like a good pivot. Actually, I have
Speaker 3: not seen Disclosure Day, have you, Saxon?
Speaker 5: I have not but you know, I'm certainly open to
Speaker 5: hearing what Brennan thinks of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, without without giving any spoilers, what did you how
Speaker 3: did you feel about it?
Speaker 6: So I should preface this by saying, I am not
Speaker 6: very knowledgeable on the UFO subculture. So I know a
Speaker 6: little bit, but I'm not you know, compared to you guys,
Speaker 6: to the folks I hear on the show regularly, I'm
Speaker 6: not an expert. So grain assault.
Speaker 3: I liked it.
Speaker 6: I didn't love it, but I liked it. I think
Speaker 6: to me, I enjoyed. I was a little bit like
Speaker 6: the Leo for Once upon a Time meme, like pointing
Speaker 6: at the at the at the TV. You know, there
Speaker 6: are some things in there, like screen memories that they incorporate,
Speaker 6: and sleep paralysis and sort of dream logic and stuff
Speaker 6: like this, things that pop up in the culture, you know,
Speaker 6: the idea of there's shadowy government agencies working to conceal
Speaker 6: the truth and things like that. I liked it. To me,
Speaker 6: it's it's still it's mid tier Spielberg, but I think
Speaker 6: even mid tier Spielberg is better than other people's a games,
Speaker 6: so that, you know, yeah, like in terms of look
Speaker 6: it looked more like Minority Report. It had that sort
Speaker 6: of dark, kind of gritty vibe. I thought Emily Blunt
Speaker 6: was miscast. I didn't care for her performance. I didn't
Speaker 6: think she had the range she needed. I also feel
Speaker 6: like she's had a lot of botox done, so it
Speaker 6: has affected her ability to emote.
Speaker 7: Oh.
Speaker 6: I could be wrong about that, but that's that's how
Speaker 6: I felt like. I like Emily Blunt. I enjoyed her
Speaker 6: in The Fall Guy, I enjoyed her in you know,
Speaker 6: Edge of Tomorrow, but I felt she was the wrong
Speaker 6: fit for this role. Okay, Yeah, overall, like Doug, it like,
Speaker 6: I think, if you're going in you want to again
Speaker 6: a perfectly agreeable sci fi thriller, then that's what you're
Speaker 6: gonna get. If you're going in and you're expecting Spielberg
Speaker 6: to blow the lid off of decades of government conspiracy,
Speaker 6: I think you're gonna come away disappointed.
Speaker 3: I honestly just don't care that much.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 3: It's just you know, like I will watch it when
Speaker 3: it comes to you know, digital, but I had no
Speaker 3: interest in coming to I don't I don't have any
Speaker 3: interest in going to the theaters period. But like it's
Speaker 3: kind of like everyone's excited about it, and I'm like, eh,
Speaker 3: it's not going to be anything special, you know, Like again,
Speaker 3: like you said, it's not like Spielbeler is gonna blow
Speaker 3: the lid off something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, go ahead after that.
Speaker 6: Oh, I was just gonna say that, Like, that's a
Speaker 6: conversation that Paul and I have had, is that I'm
Speaker 6: actually on the ghostry guys have just dropped for patrons,
Speaker 6: you know. I was saying that I think some people
Speaker 6: were expecting like a statement, yeah, you know, and instead
Speaker 6: it's it's just a movie that uses this thing because
Speaker 6: it's a particularly zeitgeisty topic.
Speaker 3: Right now, right just like Close Encounters was, Yeah.
Speaker 6: Exactly, it's you know, I mean, Spielberg has said for him,
Speaker 6: it kind of closes out what he considers to be
Speaker 6: a thematic trilogy with Close Encounters and et And I
Speaker 6: can see that one hundred percent. But again, I think
Speaker 6: there's a lot of folks who want it to be
Speaker 6: more something more than it is, and it's it's just
Speaker 6: not that.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I've seen a lot of you know, kind of just
Speaker 5: UFO conspiracy culture, you know, accounts on Instagram and other
Speaker 5: places like really hyping it up like it's you know,
Speaker 5: telling us everything, and this is their way of just
Speaker 5: you know, participating in disclosure. And you know, there's an
Speaker 5: interview with Spilberg where he said everything is real, you know,
Speaker 5: all that stuff, and it's like, and I do know
Speaker 5: the general applot of the movie and how it ends.
Speaker 5: Have a good friend that reviews movies and he told
Speaker 5: me about it and I was like, yeah, that's kind
Speaker 5: of what I expected, you know. So it's it is
Speaker 5: interesting to me though, that people that have seen the movie,
Speaker 5: do you think that it's revealing something? You know, because
Speaker 5: it gets into the sort of a cult side of
Speaker 5: I don't know, you know, how the secret powers in
Speaker 5: control of the world have to tell you what they're
Speaker 5: doing somehow before they can do it.
Speaker 6: Of course, I don't know.
Speaker 5: It's pretty wild stuff to me, and silly too, because
Speaker 5: I just assumed that, like we talked about in the show,
Speaker 5: I don't think the government knows anything more than we do.
Speaker 3: They probably have better they have probably have better data,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 6: No, did I lose you? Guys?
Speaker 3: Know you're there?
Speaker 5: Can you hear me?
Speaker 3: Yes? I can hear you. Saxon, Are you Are you okay?
Speaker 6: I think so?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 6: Okay, they're trying to silence you sexon They are they?
Speaker 5: They are?
Speaker 8: Yes.
Speaker 3: I love the arbitrary rules that people make up, like oh,
Speaker 3: they must tell you in some secret way if they're
Speaker 3: going to do something, even if they're not telling you out.
Speaker 3: It's like what, why would that even be a thing?
Speaker 3: You know? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, like like, oh, they need your permission for the
Speaker 5: magic and the mind control to work. Like, are you sure.
Speaker 6: Like they're doing pretty well right right?
Speaker 5: I think they pull over stuff, but it's just fine
Speaker 5: without any kind of magic or anything else.
Speaker 3: So I mean there, I'm sure that there are people
Speaker 3: involved in these circles that are using magic. Oh for sure,
Speaker 3: there are, yes, you know, I mean even stuff like astrology.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was obviously famous that that Reagan you know,
Speaker 3: did stuff with astrology, or at least his wife did.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I actually qualify that I'm making fun of
Speaker 5: the arbitrary rule magic, not the yeah, oh I know,
Speaker 5: I know, yeah, oh gosh, I mean the thing about
Speaker 5: Jake Parson, Jack Parsons.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Jack Jack Parson, thank you.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean it's you know, tied into you know,
Speaker 5: an higher you know, space program.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's still there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, that's pretty wild.
Speaker 3: To me, to be honest, Like you got like, like,
Speaker 3: is that is that tradition or is that they think
Speaker 3: this is just good luck? Is or are they do
Speaker 3: they also believe in this stuff?
Speaker 5: That's a good question.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: You know, it seems like because they use a lot
Speaker 5: of astrology to pick days or when they would do
Speaker 5: launches and things. Yeah, and you know, from what I
Speaker 5: understand people looking at dates for other launches more recently,
Speaker 5: it's still going on. But I've not hurt anybody announce that.
Speaker 5: It's just like, oh, this is a significant date. So
Speaker 5: I can't validate whether or not that is something or
Speaker 5: I'm just being told as something by you a random
Speaker 5: person on YouTube. But it does feel like it's steeped
Speaker 5: into NASA and things like that enough that it's just
Speaker 5: going to keep going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like I said, it's just a matter of
Speaker 3: why is it? Yeah, because I could see it just
Speaker 3: becoming a tradition and they just keep doing it that way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Which is if I were wanting to have a
Speaker 5: long term influence on something among people that didn't necessarily,
Speaker 5: you know, believe in magic the same way I would,
Speaker 5: that would be what I would hopeould happened, you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: so that may have been planned, I don't know, or intentional,
Speaker 5: I should say, not planned.
Speaker 6: I had read a book late last year called They
Speaker 6: Used Dark Forces, and it's a novel by Dennis Wheatley.
Speaker 6: It was a British horror writer, and I thought it
Speaker 6: was boring. I thought it was quite boring for the
Speaker 6: most part. It's just unnecessary. I'm not really into World
Speaker 6: War two stuff. It's kind of like a World War
Speaker 6: two spy story crossed over kind of with astrology and
Speaker 6: black magic and this if it just reminded me. This
Speaker 6: comes up because they encounter a mystic who helps them
Speaker 6: figure out what their effective days are using detailed astrological charts.
Speaker 6: And then that's sort of how the second half of
Speaker 6: the book is plotted. Is they try and only do
Speaker 6: things on days which work for them, quote unquote, and
Speaker 6: then when they do things on days that don't, things
Speaker 6: go sideways. And it was funny because I was talking
Speaker 6: to a friend of mine who does charts and I
Speaker 6: mentioned this book and I mentioned this whole thing, and
Speaker 6: she goes, well, yeah, that's I mean, that is a thing.
Speaker 6: So she did my chart because I was mentioning that
Speaker 6: I wanted to move recording our show from Thursday to
Speaker 6: Tuesday because I was just I'd never liked doing it Thursday.
Speaker 6: It just kind of had worked out that that's the
Speaker 6: day we recorded on. I always wanted to go to Tuesday,
Speaker 6: but just scheduling was kind of an issue. But I
Speaker 6: was planning on really pushing to make that happen for
Speaker 6: this year after twenty twenty six. And so my friend
Speaker 6: does the chart and she goes, well, yeah, no, that
Speaker 6: makes sense because Tuesday is one of your good days
Speaker 6: and Thursday is one of your worst.
Speaker 3: Wait, so we have you on one of your worst days.
Speaker 6: Oh well yeah, yeah you do. So there you go,
Speaker 6: and how great I am. Now imagine how much greater
Speaker 6: I would be on a Tuesday.
Speaker 3: I feel like we're being cheated now. When you were
Speaker 3: mentioning Spielberg, I was thinking, he did AI. Didn't he
Speaker 3: he did?
Speaker 6: Yeah? He did? He did.
Speaker 5: Yeah that was a minority report.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I like minority. I hated AI. I had
Speaker 3: a hard time getting through that one. What about it
Speaker 3: didn't care for I don't remember. It's a long time ago. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's fair.
Speaker 6: That was most Most of that was Stanley Kubrick's stuff.
Speaker 6: He actually he picked that up after Kubrick passed, or
Speaker 6: Kubrick kind of passed it to him. Oh, okay, okay,
Speaker 6: after he died. But it reminded me I had this article.
Speaker 6: Fake academic journals are publishing AI generated paper under real
Speaker 6: professors names.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: A network of fake academic journals masquerading is legitimate publications
Speaker 3: has published more than one hundred AI generated papers in
Speaker 3: recent months, in some cases using the names of real
Speaker 3: professors at top universities without their knowledge.
Speaker 6: I'm not surprised. I actually think you guys talked about
Speaker 6: this with Chris and Matt.
Speaker 3: Did I okay, I wasn't sure if we dealt with
Speaker 3: that one or not because I didn't mark anything go me.
Speaker 6: I know, I was gonna say. I know. AI stuff
Speaker 6: is just just flooding a lot of different industries. Traditional
Speaker 6: public publishing is being drowned under AI garbage.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: YouTube, social Yeah, it's all just being flooded with this crap.
Speaker 5: As soon as I hear the one of the AI
Speaker 5: narrators that you know are common, I'm just like, I
Speaker 5: just I'm already done. You know, I don't care what
Speaker 5: it's about. I'm like I'm just over this already.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's it's also scraping stuff from itself because
Speaker 3: there's so much AI stuff on the internet now. When
Speaker 3: it looks up stuff, it looks up stuff that it
Speaker 3: generated essentially, Yeah, of course, and so it's like the
Speaker 3: accuracy rate just keeps dropping and it's just everything's just
Speaker 3: going to be AI slop eventually. Yeah, it is. And
Speaker 3: it's because they can create content, you know, because of
Speaker 3: the way algorithms work, they can generate AI AI content constantly,
Speaker 3: and then it's like it overwhelms real creators because they
Speaker 3: can't generate quality stuff on that level. I mean, AI
Speaker 3: is not quality stuff, but it doesn't matter. It's just
Speaker 3: generated to you know, to be put there to you know,
Speaker 3: get ad revenue and stuff like that, and then it
Speaker 3: pops to the top of the algorithm.
Speaker 5: Well it's you know, it makes the people that are
Speaker 5: creating original content like a needle instead of a haystack.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how are you ever going to find them?
Speaker 6: You know, we've definitely seen that with ghostory guys. Like
Speaker 6: we've seen I've seen our discoverability and our like download
Speaker 6: numbers just creater in the last year just crater into
Speaker 6: the ground. And I mean, I don't think it's that
Speaker 6: we're producing I don't think that we're producing a you know,
Speaker 6: like a worst show, right right, right. I just think
Speaker 6: that it is harder and harder for people to find stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's just I.
Speaker 5: Mean, I saw this like a hilarious reel today and
Speaker 5: it was like googling something in two thousand and six
Speaker 5: and a guy is standing there and he's like, hey,
Speaker 5: what's the capital of Italy? And the guy goes wrong,
Speaker 5: also the largest Italy city in Italy? And then it says,
Speaker 5: you know, googling something in twenty twenty six, and the
Speaker 5: guy standing there grabs a bottle of water and just
Speaker 5: starts pouring it out on the floor and then he goes, hey,
Speaker 5: that's a great question. It starts like getting all of
Speaker 5: these facts wrong and mixing things up. It was pretty genius.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, that's clever man. I like you, guys,
Speaker 5: would you like to be radicalized?
Speaker 6: No? I like that to help you.
Speaker 3: There was I saw a beam somewhere where they said
Speaker 3: one of their coworkers started talking like chat GPT and
Speaker 3: beatings and it was just pissing everyone off. And I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I like that. I like that point you're making. I
Speaker 3: hope you're trying to make a point with it, but
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 5: I do think that, you know, it would be kind
Speaker 5: of fun just to be like, hey, that's a great question,
Speaker 5: you know, or that's a solid point and just reframe
Speaker 5: everything and yeah, then yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: That's that's really clever. I admire the point you've made.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Really, it takes real heart and real intelligence to ask
Speaker 6: a question so pertinent. Oh my god, if I keep
Speaker 6: guessing you up, will you forget you asked a question?
Speaker 3: Right? Yes? I mean, like, I'm not sure what it's
Speaker 3: going to take for this stuff to just stop, like
Speaker 3: it gonna Is it gonna take the entire destruction of
Speaker 3: the Internet.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean I do sometimes think about that. I
Speaker 6: think about Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven and how they had
Speaker 6: sort of I mean, it's very William Gibson, but they
Speaker 6: kind of like predicted the idea that basically we're going
Speaker 6: to screw the Internet up so much that it's going
Speaker 6: to be unusable and we're just going to have like
Speaker 6: local area networks, And I mean, you know, it doesn't
Speaker 6: seem impossible at this point.
Speaker 5: I mean, unfortunately. I think that's probably a pretty good assessment.
Speaker 5: You know, I local network, some kind of mesh thing,
Speaker 5: something like that makes more sense to me. You know,
Speaker 5: even if it's like something that you can actually navigate
Speaker 5: to contained within the Internet, that's just much more basic
Speaker 5: and direct. I mean, yeah, I don't know. I wait
Speaker 5: for the you know, anti algorithm revolution to occur at
Speaker 5: some point. Right it's still is way, but I do
Speaker 5: think that's gonna end up happening in some shape or form.
Speaker 5: It may be after lots of violence, right, you know,
Speaker 5: I mean that was that was half the premise of
Speaker 5: like Dune, was like we had robots for a while.
Speaker 3: And that was a mistake, right right, that's true, all right.
Speaker 6: I was listening to what it could happen here or
Speaker 6: to go to the go ahead, go ahead the same
Speaker 6: I was listening to today's episode of It Could Happen Here,
Speaker 6: and it was Robert Evans who was talking about how
Speaker 6: he thinks that one of the one of the most
Speaker 6: hopeful things he has seen recently is this grassroots opposition
Speaker 6: to data centers. Yeah, you know, he was saying that
Speaker 6: there's a lot of people who are sort of becoming
Speaker 6: activists who previously would never have even considered such a thing.
Speaker 6: You know, they're just they're mad. Yeah, they're just mad.
Speaker 6: And and I think that's he said, that's one of
Speaker 6: the few things that gives him hope is because he said,
Speaker 6: like Silicon Valley, the only place you can hurt them
Speaker 6: is their money. And you know, if we set up
Speaker 6: the situation where they have like they're suffering because we
Speaker 6: keep pushing back against these data centers, maybe that's that's
Speaker 6: the only way to get at them.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, most places do not want data centers. And
Speaker 3: there are a lot of communities that are very upset
Speaker 3: because they're not being asked, like it's not something that
Speaker 3: the community is voting on or anything. They're just like
Speaker 3: the people in power are like, yeah, we're just gonna
Speaker 3: let them build a data center and it's gonna screw
Speaker 3: up our water and stuff, but it'll be fair. Your
Speaker 3: taxes are gonna go up. This is gonna happen. This
Speaker 3: is gonna happen. But they're not being asked. People are like,
Speaker 3: we don't want this.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing that's crazy to me is
Speaker 6: is it's kind of being forced on people. Yes, yes,
Speaker 6: Like that's and the fact that they're not. They're kind
Speaker 6: of folding the cost in to everyone else's bills.
Speaker 3: Yes, yep, that's nuts because AI is not profitable.
Speaker 6: No, it's not not even close.
Speaker 5: Oh over leverages in getting so much capital that they're
Speaker 5: just burning through. I saw this really interesting thing about
Speaker 5: Anthropic today where they were talking about these models they
Speaker 5: weren't releasing because they were too powerful and what have you.
Speaker 5: And then it kind of turned out that like they
Speaker 5: really weren't, but the hype of they were too powerful
Speaker 5: was kind of done to you know, essentially as a
Speaker 5: PR campaign.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, dude, oh yeah, and yeah.
Speaker 5: And so it's it's such a strange thing where you're like,
Speaker 5: this stuff is dangerous, but it's also like just utter crap.
Speaker 3: Yep, it had you know, it has uses. They said, uh,
Speaker 3: it's very successful in detecting early breast cancer, but it
Speaker 3: basically just scans X rays and stuff and then if
Speaker 3: it sees something subtle, it then directs it to a
Speaker 3: human to say, hey, you might want to check this. Like, okay,
Speaker 3: that's fine, I'm alright with that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but even that they is ever called they juked
Speaker 6: the stats on that, So essentially it doesn't perform any
Speaker 6: better than a radiologist and the amount of costs. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's not better. It's that's a very that one gets
Speaker 6: circulated a lot, and I'd have to find the study
Speaker 6: again to verify this. So you know, this is a
Speaker 6: little bit of a question on a question thing. But yeah,
Speaker 6: it was like, yeah, it performs better than you know,
Speaker 6: equal to or close to another, but it was like
Speaker 6: viewed with another radiologist at the same time. Okay, so
Speaker 6: why not just have two radiologists?
Speaker 3: Right right? Yeah, all right, I do.
Speaker 6: Think you know, there are uses for generative AI, Like
Speaker 6: I think you know the platform I used to record
Speaker 6: Ghost Story, guys, it has a handful of AI tools.
Speaker 6: Most of them are garbage, but some of them, you know,
Speaker 6: some of them are have a couple uses. So I'm like, yeah, okay, fine,
Speaker 6: this makes my workflow better. This might like marginally better.
Speaker 6: This does not take work away from someone, because these
Speaker 6: are not things I would pay someone to do otherwise.
Speaker 6: So sure, fine, that's andy. But what I don't need
Speaker 6: it to do is I don't need it to edit
Speaker 6: my entire show. I don't need it to like script
Speaker 6: or record a show for me, right right, you know,
Speaker 6: Like I'm willing to I'm willing to admit. Yeah, there's
Speaker 6: a handful of uses for this stuff and it's important
Speaker 6: I think. And this is a distinction that Evan's made
Speaker 6: on it could happen here, is that data centers are
Speaker 6: used for a lot of things, you know, like mapping
Speaker 6: data or you know, like all these wearables we have,
Speaker 6: Like all that data has to get processed somewhere. So
Speaker 6: not all data centers are these massive AI you know,
Speaker 6: sort of money sinks. Like there are data centers that
Speaker 6: presumably we would actually still want to have, but most
Speaker 6: of them, and the spending is bonkers, are not those
Speaker 6: useful things. It's it's chipsets that can only be used
Speaker 6: for generative AI being put in places that can only
Speaker 6: be used for generative AI. And who knows if we'll
Speaker 6: ever have the capacity to actually power all of them.
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Speaker 3: Movie that came out in two thousand and seven. I'm
Speaker 3: not sure I ever recommended it, but it's up there
Speaker 3: in one of my all time favorite movies. It's just
Speaker 3: called The Man from Earth. It is a very quiet movie.
Speaker 3: It's basically just a conversation. And I know that doesn't
Speaker 3: sound very interesting, but it kind of is. And yeah,
Speaker 3: it has a number of big name stars in it
Speaker 3: and it's really really good, So I would if you
Speaker 3: haven't checked that out before, I'll read you the I'll
Speaker 3: read you the thing. It says an impromptu goodbye party
Speaker 3: before Professor John Oldman becomes a mysterious interrogation after the
Speaker 3: retiring scholar reveals to his colleagues that he's a longer
Speaker 3: and stranger past than they can imagine. Yeah. Again, I
Speaker 3: love this movie, and the follow up to it was
Speaker 3: not good if I remember right. Unfortunately, but it's really
Speaker 3: going to be hard to to be as good as
Speaker 3: this movie is and bother to do a follow up.
Speaker 3: I don't even know why they did, but that's my
Speaker 3: recommendation if you haven't seen it before. From two thousand
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Speaker 3: So I'm here with Saxon and Brennan as if they
Speaker 3: laughed and uh, Brennan, you had a was it a
Speaker 3: Poltergeist story? Not a story?
Speaker 6: But I had a listener from an email, which is
Speaker 6: what they call their They're very weird theory on Poultergeist.
Speaker 6: Doctor Oh okay, And I had never heard it phrase
Speaker 6: like this before and I think that's it's an interesting possibility.
Speaker 6: And again this is this is sort of advanced ball,
Speaker 6: so I'm curious to hear what you guys think of it.
Speaker 6: So this this comes from Dana again. They sent this
Speaker 6: to our show on June ninth. They've titled it the
Speaker 6: resonance induced plasma condensation theory one. The natural state of
Speaker 6: the entity. Contrary to a traditional army, contrary to a
Speaker 6: traditional ghost or spirit theory, the entity is a sentient
Speaker 6: form of matter, existing naturally in a hyper energetic, non
Speaker 6: thermal plasma state, the fourth state of matter the atomic view.
Speaker 6: Because it exists as a fluid like soup of unbound
Speaker 6: ions and electrons vibrating at an extreme, non standard frequency,
Speaker 6: it does not possess the rigid molecular bonds of our
Speaker 6: everyday world. The entity experience is our world, for what
Speaker 6: it truly is mostly empty space. In its natural plasma state,
Speaker 6: its fields drift seamlessly through the atomic lattices of walls, doors,
Speaker 6: and furniture without physical friction, making it naturally non reactive
Speaker 6: to our solid reality too. The opportunistic window resonance, the
Speaker 6: entity moves casually through its environment, completely unable to interact
Speaker 6: with solid matter until it encounters a localized drop in
Speaker 6: environmental resistance. This opportunistic window is triggered by a precise
Speaker 6: frequency match acting as a battery. Any human being, regardless
Speaker 6: of age, whose unique nervous system, rain, chemistry, or bioelectromagnetic
Speaker 6: field naturally generates a frequency that harmonizes with the entity's
Speaker 6: plasma state. A location sitting on a natural, tectonic or
Speaker 6: acoustic amplifier, for example, piezoelectric quartz, deposits moving underground water,
Speaker 6: or conductive ancient piping that echoes that same exact frequency.
Speaker 6: When these frequency meat or overlap, they create a zone
Speaker 6: of constructive interference, lowering the energetic barrier between a plasma
Speaker 6: entity and our rigid reality. It is a matter of
Speaker 6: opportunistic curiosity rather than malice. Part three. The mechanism of
Speaker 6: interaction thermodynamic condensation. To manipulate a solid object in our reality,
Speaker 6: example flipping a chair or moving an object, a plasma
Speaker 6: entity must first execute a rapid, violent phase change. It
Speaker 6: must flash condense into a solid to Ford To force
Speaker 6: highly energized plasma to instantly drop past gas and liquid
Speaker 6: states straight into a temporary solid structure. The entity must
Speaker 6: absorb an immense amount of kinetic and thermal energy. It
Speaker 6: vacuum sucks this heat directly from the surrounding environment, causing
Speaker 6: the ambient room temperature to plummet instantly to a bone
Speaker 6: chilling cold spot. Because plasma is fundamentally composed of charged particles,
Speaker 6: the entity's presence naturally warps the local leve electromagnetic fields,
Speaker 6: causing the classic electronic failures, battery drains, and appliance malfunctions
Speaker 6: reported by investigators. Maintaining a condensed solid state is thermodynamically exhausting.
Speaker 6: When the entity releases its hold and snow back to
Speaker 6: its natural plasma form, or if it loses focus mid
Speaker 6: transition inside of structure, a sudden violent release of pressure
Speaker 6: and shifting of matter creates an acoustic shockwave. This manifests
Speaker 6: in our world as the heavy structural thuds heard in
Speaker 6: walls and ceilings.
Speaker 3: Four.
Speaker 6: The core motivation curiosity, not malice, Because the entity is
Speaker 6: locked out of interacting with the physical universe for most
Speaker 6: of its existence, Finding a resonant human or place is
Speaker 6: an incredible breakthrough. The flying objects and disembodied noises are
Speaker 6: not hostile attacks, but enthusiastic physics experiments conducted by a
Speaker 6: curious observer who has finally found a temporary thermodynamic loophole
Speaker 6: to touch, test, and explore our rigid world. By redefining
Speaker 6: the phenomenon as a rare accidental intersection of a plasma
Speaker 6: based ecosystem and a solid based ecosystem, a fear is
Speaker 6: entirely stripped away. Once modern science can fully quantify and
Speaker 6: measure these specific vibrational frequencies, the quote haunting ceases to
Speaker 6: be a paranormal event and simply becomes a natural, peaceful
Speaker 6: branch of physical science. So that's it.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's really interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I'd never heard a phrase like that.
Speaker 3: For But are they talking about these things. It's talking
Speaker 3: about these things about as being intelligent? Yes, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: because the Empire kind of kind of got me feeling like, oh,
Speaker 3: this will just be explained by science as a natural event.
Speaker 3: But I guess the natural event with interaction with another consciousness.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, natural inasmuch as it operates according to some
Speaker 6: kind of rule. But you're still talking about, yeah, about
Speaker 6: disembodied consciousness. Very I just like disembodied, but embodied in
Speaker 6: a way that we don't typically understand.
Speaker 3: Right, right, and I mean also lights and plasma. I mean,
Speaker 3: these are things that go together, and lights are one
Speaker 3: of the most common things in any of this stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: I would say the only the only thing I would
Speaker 3: might have an issue with is the knocking usually happens first,
Speaker 3: you know, it doesn't. It doesn't happen at the end
Speaker 3: of it experience. That's one of the usually one of
Speaker 3: the first things you get.
Speaker 5: Oh that's a not to sound like chat GPT, but
Speaker 5: that's a good observation.
Speaker 6: That's an interesting question you've asked.
Speaker 5: But it is a good point. I didn't even cross
Speaker 5: my mind until you said that, and I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: it is interesting.
Speaker 3: It is a case. It doesn't throw out their interpretation.
Speaker 3: It's a very very very good interpretation of it. Even
Speaker 3: if it's not wholly correct. There might be something to it.
Speaker 6: Well, I think. I mean, it doesn't necessarily say that
Speaker 6: this comes third in the process. It just it was
Speaker 6: a third and sort of their their theory. Oh okay, okay, yeah,
Speaker 6: there's no point it says that our part of me.
Speaker 6: There's nowhere it says at which point this could happen,
Speaker 6: just that this would be the explanation is said, which
Speaker 6: which could make sense, right, if it finds something that is,
Speaker 6: you know, vibrationally accepting or vibrationally sort of comforting or
Speaker 6: not the word, but my brain is much lately, but
Speaker 6: that is sort of a compatible then maybe it starts
Speaker 6: trying to physically move things. Maybe that's its first Yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, that's its first attempt, and that's why we
Speaker 6: hear these bangs and thuds until it can kind of
Speaker 6: get its feet under it, so to speak.
Speaker 3: I wonder how we test this. Yeah, Also, of course
Speaker 3: your brain as much as Thursday you're giving us your
Speaker 3: worst day.
Speaker 6: You asked me a buster.
Speaker 5: It does remind me of, you know, some of Keel's
Speaker 5: ideas of you know, these things are sort of decomposing
Speaker 5: as they enter our reality. It can only maintain their
Speaker 5: their form for a little while.
Speaker 3: Did Keel say that maybe it was kill?
Speaker 5: Did allude to that though?
Speaker 6: He definitely did, because he also used that was he
Speaker 6: had this I don't remember which book it was, but
Speaker 6: he sort of alluded to the idea that there may
Speaker 6: be something to blood sacrifice because of the because of
Speaker 6: the power of blood.
Speaker 3: Right, right, I think because I was thinking, like, didn't
Speaker 3: I suggest that? But I may have gotten it partially
Speaker 3: from Keel. I know I got it partially from Joshua
Speaker 3: Cutcheon's book on smells, which was what is the one
Speaker 3: on smells called Brimstone Disease. That's it because sulfur being
Speaker 3: the most common thing is sulfur is the smell of decay.
Speaker 3: And it's like, well, yeah, these things are decaying as
Speaker 3: soon as they didn't to exist, then you would smell sulfur.
Speaker 3: Well maybe I'm just like mixing the kinds of Oh no,
Speaker 3: it's entirely possible. Keel said it, and I just didn't remember.
Speaker 6: Well, he'll definitely has said it. Because I've read a
Speaker 6: couple of Josh's books. I haven't read that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he says, no one's read that one. It's a
Speaker 3: great book. People should read it.
Speaker 6: It's a good book.
Speaker 5: It's really good.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's not exactly the same explanation,
Speaker 5: but it definitely would kind of presents the same hallmarks,
Speaker 5: I guess as a way of like, you know, something
Speaker 5: becoming corporal and then dissipating, you know, I like the
Speaker 5: idea of your own you know, bile electric field, whatever
Speaker 5: you want to call it, being something that attunes to,
Speaker 5: you know, whatever kind of entity you're dealing with. It
Speaker 5: makes it a little bit more able for them to
Speaker 5: interact with you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, curiosity. Did Josh all his books from Amazon?
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 6: I just I wanted to see if I could grab
Speaker 6: a kindle coffee of Brimstone de seat. I punched his
Speaker 6: name into Amazon, and it just says nope, returned to sender.
Speaker 6: No no such, no such address.
Speaker 5: Wow, that was interesting.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: I was on the Wi files the other day too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're here.
Speaker 6: I just I just punched it into Amazon dot CA
Speaker 6: and there is. And I bought Ecology of Souls off here,
Speaker 6: but there is now nothing under his name.
Speaker 5: This is like an issue of an international publishing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be my guest, because they are showing
Speaker 3: up on my Amazon.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're online too.
Speaker 3: Including new book The Inverted Path, Supernatural Disorientation and and
Speaker 3: uh Interruptions and Travel. So it will.
Speaker 6: I went to dot com as well. It will not.
Speaker 6: It will not show me anything with his name.
Speaker 3: That is so weird. I'll have to ask him about it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure there's other places you can you
Speaker 3: can look for his books.
Speaker 6: Oh no, I have no doubt I just I thought
Speaker 6: it was. While we were talking about it, I thought, oh,
Speaker 6: I'll just see a fight. What it costs for me
Speaker 6: to get a get a kindle copy of The Brimstone
Speaker 6: Decease so I can read it. And like I said,
Speaker 6: I bought Ecology of Souls from Amazon Canada. Now that
Speaker 6: is not here whatsoever. I cannot search his name. It's
Speaker 6: giving me candles. I search for josh Cutchen, it gives
Speaker 6: me candles, you know.
Speaker 1: Let me.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna turn my VPN on my phone and I'll
Speaker 5: search it up.
Speaker 3: I as soon as I put in Joshua, it said, Joshua,
Speaker 3: got you you books. But while you do that, one
Speaker 3: of the other things I wanted to bring up that
Speaker 3: had occurred to me because when we were talking about
Speaker 3: that Poltigeist thing is I always find it fascinating that
Speaker 3: people can spread sleep paralysis, Like it is not uncommon
Speaker 3: for someone to start dating someone and then that person
Speaker 3: had sleep brousses. Now their partner also has sleep prousis,
Speaker 3: which will keep going even after they break up. And
Speaker 3: so in thinking about this, I'm like, what would be
Speaker 3: the mechanism here? And I think like, okay, so when
Speaker 3: you're involved with someone, You're not just sharing things like
Speaker 3: bodily fluid. You're sharing energy.
Speaker 6: Sure, and I don't know.
Speaker 3: That a lot of people really think about that. But
Speaker 3: if you're having sex with someone, there is an energy
Speaker 3: exchange going on. It might not be noticeable with a
Speaker 3: lot of people, but it's happening. So if you're if
Speaker 3: this stuff is electra electric in form in some way,
Speaker 3: because it does seem to have a lot of electrical
Speaker 3: effects to it when you have sleep paralysis, I'm wondering
Speaker 3: if it's just something where it's it's charging a certain
Speaker 3: part or changing a certain part of how your brain works,
Speaker 3: how you access certain things that allows that sleep paralysis
Speaker 3: to spread.
Speaker 6: Maybe like it alters seems it alters your electric What
Speaker 6: was that I was saying. I think we did a
Speaker 6: show of ghost you guys recently where we had a
Speaker 6: listener story where someone picked up their boyfriend sleep paralysis.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I've heard about it numerous times. I have two.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: It would be interesting too, though, Like you know, you're
Speaker 5: talking about energy exchange and things like that, but I
Speaker 5: could also see like if you're in a certain frequency
Speaker 5: and my gosh, whatever that is right kind of lulling
Speaker 5: the other person's energy into that. Yeah, so then their
Speaker 5: brains also operating in the sleep paralysis state.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, we we are electrical beings, there's no
Speaker 3: you know, we we we are made of energy. So
Speaker 3: it's funny as new age and stuff as energy sounds
Speaker 3: at this point because it's been hijacked. The fact is
Speaker 3: we have energy and magnetic fields that move out around us.
Speaker 3: And when I say you exchange energy with someone, that's
Speaker 3: that's what's happening. You're you're you're melding those those energy
Speaker 3: fields together for better or worse. You know, So everyone
Speaker 3: you're you're sleeping with is potentially shifting your energy. And
Speaker 3: when your energy shifts, things change. I mean you may
Speaker 3: not realize it at first, but they do.
Speaker 6: And I think some people really have a problem with
Speaker 6: that concept. And you know, and I because it sounds
Speaker 6: like the sour grapes of a guy who's not getting
Speaker 6: laid right, Well, it's, oh, well, it's just because you know,
Speaker 6: because your energy makes us with the other person, so
Speaker 6: maybe it's better.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 3: That is definitely not what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: No, of course, of course, but in my head that's
Speaker 6: exactly where I went because I'm a monster. But I
Speaker 6: do think it's I think it's uh. I think that's
Speaker 6: something we don't really want to entertain, right, this idea
Speaker 6: that there is a cross, there is like an exchange
Speaker 6: of energy if you're intimate with someone you know. I
Speaker 6: think I think it matters. I think it matters who
Speaker 6: you share. And I'm not a conservative person whatsoever, right,
Speaker 6: but I still I do. I do think it matters
Speaker 6: who you share your your intimacy with. I think you
Speaker 6: can have an impact on you.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't think this idea that you can kind of
Speaker 6: hold your hand over the candle and then just kind
Speaker 6: of pull it away and go ah haha, it's fine.
Speaker 3: I think it.
Speaker 6: I think it affects you. I think it you know,
Speaker 6: if if any behavior persisted in will eventually change you.
Speaker 6: And that's just how we are, and I don't. I
Speaker 6: don't think sex is any different.
Speaker 3: Yes, sex is one of the more powerful things we
Speaker 3: can do energy wise. Hell yeah, I mean not that
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that every time you're having sex, you're
Speaker 3: you're channeling amazing amounts of energy for yourself. You're going
Speaker 3: to have to get into more tantric type stuff, but
Speaker 3: you know. Again, energy is even if you're just like
Speaker 3: physically close with a person, not even having sex, but
Speaker 3: you're still going to alter each other's electrical feels Your
Speaker 3: energy is going to change because it's going to adapt
Speaker 3: to that person.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it's going to adapt and like I mean,
Speaker 5: my gosh, you know, even if you're not doing like
Speaker 5: cancer or anything like that, just by virtue of it
Speaker 5: being generative because it can create life. Like yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: it's a very specific kind of energy that is happening there.
Speaker 5: I don't know, it's a very generative force.
Speaker 6: So I'm told, you know, when I finally have sex,
Speaker 6: i'll know for sure. But this is that's what I've
Speaker 6: been told. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, one day I was watching, you know, because I
Speaker 5: keep up with different like Tigong guys and Nagong and
Speaker 5: all that stuff, you know, And most of the stuff
Speaker 5: on the internet, a lot of it you see, is tricks,
Speaker 5: you know, and it's not legitimate stuff. But I've come
Speaker 5: across some legitimate stuff in there now and then. But
Speaker 5: I did see a digitized DHS of a Shallott lag.
Speaker 5: I guess it's shellon monk. It is an Asian monk
Speaker 5: pulling energy out of a cow to use to go
Speaker 5: heal somebody. And it's kind of interesting to watch because
Speaker 5: the cow eventually just kind of like balls over a
Speaker 5: sleep and he's standing about ten feet away from the cow,
Speaker 5: and you know, there could be trickery going on. I
Speaker 5: don't ever rule those things out, but it doesn't look
Speaker 5: like anybody's messing with the cow or they drugged it
Speaker 5: in a way where they timed it out so perfectly
Speaker 5: that the monks standing there and pretending to you know,
Speaker 5: pull energy out of it. But even the description on
Speaker 5: it was like, you know, this doesn't hurt the cow
Speaker 5: long term, it just makes him very tired of cow's
Speaker 5: going to fall asleep and he's going to use this
Speaker 5: to go you know, who's somebody that's ill that he
Speaker 5: has coming in or something like that. But yeah, but
Speaker 5: you know, those kinds of things if if that stuff
Speaker 5: is real, and I do think you know, Chigong and
Speaker 5: nagong and all this is real. It's just different names
Speaker 5: for the same. Yeah, you know, it certainly stands that
Speaker 5: you know, you have to be careful yea who you're
Speaker 5: sharing your energy with.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean we've all been around people who make
Speaker 6: us feel like crap, you know, not necessarily through words
Speaker 6: or deeds, but just after we leave them, we think,
Speaker 6: oh god, I'm tired, you know. Yeah, And then there's
Speaker 6: people who restore us and who kind of feel like
Speaker 6: you know, and sometimes some times even good people can
Speaker 6: be kind of taky if they're in a bad place.
Speaker 6: Like there are people in my life generally speaking, I
Speaker 6: really quite like, but sometimes I get into space and
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, they're just they're taky, and talking
Speaker 6: to them is exhausting.
Speaker 3: Well, I've got a.
Speaker 5: Couple of friends that I you know, I wouldn't say
Speaker 5: they're ex friends, but I just stop calling them because
Speaker 5: it was always something where I felt like I was
Speaker 5: I had to prepare for and then would lose energy
Speaker 5: when I was around them. And not even people that
Speaker 5: were depressive or anything like that where you kind of
Speaker 5: have to like, you know, you're going into a situation
Speaker 5: where you're trying to uplift somebody, but I just like
Speaker 5: put off calling them for a while. Then you put
Speaker 5: off calling them a bit more, and next thing you know,
Speaker 5: it's been a few months, and then it's been a
Speaker 5: year and you're like, huh, I don't know if I'm
Speaker 5: actually friends with this person anymore.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, but the thought of talking.
Speaker 5: To them also just doesn't sound very fun, even though
Speaker 5: I have a good time with them, because I know
Speaker 5: it's going to drain from M.
Speaker 3: And obviously that person may not drain someone else at all.
Speaker 5: That's true too. I hadn't thought about that, but that's
Speaker 5: a that's a good point.
Speaker 6: So I mean, I mean, I had an old friend,
Speaker 6: old old friend guy. We were yeah, twenty we were
Speaker 6: friends twenty years ago, when we were friends for like
Speaker 6: fifteen years, and he just over time he got more
Speaker 6: and more taking and it eventually became like a situation
Speaker 6: where I just I couldn't be around him anymore. And
Speaker 6: I used to They used to text me. They'd get
Speaker 6: off work at eleven every night, and at ten thirty
Speaker 6: I would always get a text and I came to
Speaker 6: dread it. The text was what are you up to? Yeah,
Speaker 6: and I just I came to dread it because all
Speaker 6: this person wanted to do was was eat.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 6: It was it was like food was kind of their addiction.
Speaker 6: And we used to share that. You know, we used
Speaker 6: to go driving for hours and eating donuts and whatever,
Speaker 6: drive to Tim Horton's, but then I kind of started.
Speaker 6: I started doing the show, which kind of revitalized me
Speaker 6: and kind of gave me a purpose in life I
Speaker 6: hadn't had before. And this guy still wanted to watch
Speaker 6: TV until like watch bad TV until three in the morning,
Speaker 6: and eat donuts at like three in the morning. And
Speaker 6: he reached a point too where he couldn't He didn't
Speaker 6: have anything to say anymore. He just wanted to consume
Speaker 6: in silence, and I had to I had to slowly
Speaker 6: just kind of fade because I tried helping him. I tried,
Speaker 6: you know, fitting it, like getting him into the gym,
Speaker 6: and you know, he was a strong guy. He was
Speaker 6: a tough guy. You know, we could like he could
Speaker 6: do stuff if he tried, but it was just easier
Speaker 6: for him not to try. And eventually, like I said,
Speaker 6: you got to be careful where you put your energy,
Speaker 6: because it's a thing that you know, the people you
Speaker 6: spend time around are kind of who you become. And
Speaker 6: I don't think that's just like a sort of a
Speaker 6: thing people say. I think it's very true, and I
Speaker 6: think there it's because of the energyetic cost.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you're around someone where your energy doesn't
Speaker 3: resonate well it's it's gonna feel draining, right for both people. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but these are things that our culture just dismisses because
Speaker 3: energy is not really a thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The why people talk about that are like new age
Speaker 3: people and it's like, but it's measurable, like this is
Speaker 3: not you know fiction.
Speaker 6: Here, yeah, or it becomes a gag, right, it becomes
Speaker 6: a gag like with uh. I mean as much as
Speaker 6: I love what we do in the Shadows, that's that's
Speaker 6: what it became. It was like it was it was
Speaker 6: a joke. We have an energy vampire.
Speaker 3: Mmm.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that was pretty funny on the show though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh it was brilliant.
Speaker 6: Colin Robinson is that character is a masterpiece. But but
Speaker 6: I just think like as a whole when you say
Speaker 6: energy vampire, that's oh yeah, well that's what like Colin
Speaker 6: Robins said, Oh, there's not a lot of people aren't
Speaker 6: actively engaging with the concept. Yeah.
Speaker 5: But to your point, though, that's generally like what I
Speaker 5: start putting those people down to in my head, it's
Speaker 5: like they're just you know, energy vampires, and just being
Speaker 5: around them, you know, invites that drain on.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, and I mean you know, I before
Speaker 6: I kind of became aware of all this stuff like this,
Speaker 6: this is something I would bump into. I would have
Speaker 6: these people I get have these intense friendships with people
Speaker 6: who would suddenly kind of blow into my life and
Speaker 6: seem like super intense. They really wanted to be around
Speaker 6: me all the time. And after a while you kind
Speaker 6: of realize, oh, they're they're kind of like beating on
Speaker 6: you because they're not giving you anything. Yeah, They're just
Speaker 6: they're constantly like you're doing it because I like to
Speaker 6: do stuff for the people I care about, sure, and
Speaker 6: I like to do stuff for people, and so it
Speaker 6: kind of becomes this thing where you realize, oh, I'm
Speaker 6: I'm kind of doing all the stuff they're just asking it.
Speaker 6: I'm actually not getting anything back from it, right, you know,
Speaker 6: and it but it's it's definitely there's this again energetic exchange.
Speaker 6: And since I've kind of learned to close that off
Speaker 6: and not sort of not respond so quickly, I've sort
Speaker 6: of speed run a few of those connections where I'll
Speaker 6: kind of see people and I'll vibe with them. Then
Speaker 6: I'll recognize the signs and immediately we get to the
Speaker 6: point where they're they're now like not so sure about yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, because I'm not giving them, I'm not giving
Speaker 6: them the sort of focused attention I otherwise would.
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Speaker 3: late nineties into late nineties, and they had a clown
Speaker 3: as a vocalist named Crappy the Clown and it was
Speaker 3: a spectacle. If you want to check their stuff out,
Speaker 3: there's a tonne. I have a ton of live stuff
Speaker 3: on the last exit YouTube you can find as well
Speaker 3: stuff with just Crappy the Clown. But it's uh yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just kind of comedy metal. And here is Donuts
Speaker 3: from Punch Drunk Monkeys. I'll see you next time.
Speaker 8: Nuts.
Speaker 5: I want some moments.
Speaker 8: I off dons or a tin style donuts. Kill go
Speaker 8: expressly if he waits.
Speaker 7: Him sixty from eating dog or tar stime, he is
Speaker 7: an give me a call the devil kill come hard
Speaker 7: hair fat hair.
Speaker 8: Boys boy, go nuts as the tuk on a real bar.
Speaker 8: Or kill No, my boy, you got some doughnuts. I'm like,
Speaker 8: I don't.
Speaker 7: Jonathan goats the Devil's play thing.
Speaker 8: The road to Hell is paved with good and cashes.
Speaker 8: We have hair it's failure.
Speaker 7: The Ice Communica.
Speaker 3: Say different things. I sold my soul.
Speaker 8: To Ball So.
Speaker 3: It's a bakery.
Speaker 7: Macon Donuts, Vacant Stage and Donuts, E Donuts, Broomstone Doughnuts.
Speaker 8: Do sne.
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