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Speaker 1: Hi everybody, and welcome to the Kylie Cast. I'm Kylie Griswold,

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I would love to hear from you. I am so

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excited today to be joined by Tony Kinnitt. You know

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him as the national correspondent for The Daily Signal and

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host of the Tony Kinnitt Cast. I know him as

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that theater and choir guy from college. Tony and I

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talk faith, marriage, politics, everything in between. You're not gonna

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want to miss it. Please welcome, Tony Kinnitt, Tony Kinnit.

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It is so good to see your face.

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Speaker 2: It was a shock when I came into the Trump

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Hotel lobby in twenty twenty seapack and I had no beard,

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My hair was very unkempt. And I strolled in and

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I see you and like five six dudes fawning over you,

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like it's a great Gatsby scene.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my gosh, someone who also

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came from my little, tiny, middle of nowhere woods is

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like in this big scene of all of these coastal

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people want to be elite people.

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Speaker 3: It was really cool. It's always good to see your

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face itself.

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Speaker 1: Always good to see your face. I will say, we

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like to blast the left about revisionist history, and I'm

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gonna need to call you a little bit on your

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revisionist history of that. I think part of it was true.

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But I don't know about the sea of men fawning.

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I think that's a people overstated.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not going to back down on this. And

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here's why.

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Speaker 2: When Kylie and I were in college together at our

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tiny middle of nowhere university, we looked like kids, you know, dorks,

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kind of a thing, and we went to this Baptist college.

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So dressing in a way that fit you was with flattering, encouraged, yes,

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flat around cloud it's kind of yeah, yeah yeah. And

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so to walk in and to see Kylie just as

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like as an adult. And once you get in that

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adult when like you really just hit your stride of

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how you're supposed to look in your mid twenties and.

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Speaker 1: I'm a real person and not a shell of a child. Yes.

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Speaker 2: The word that I later used to describe this when

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telling this story is like just walked in into She's

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just a bombshell. And all of these people and seriously,

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all of them, all of these guys were I could

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name names, I won't out of respect.

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Speaker 3: We're absolutely fawning over her.

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Speaker 2: And when I went over say hi, this dorky friend

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from your Baptist college you went to, I got looks

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of very sharp daggers from these beta men lusting.

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Speaker 1: That is hilarious. Well, that is not how I would

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have told the story. But thank you Tony for just

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starting us off, starting us off in that way. Thank you.

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If it wasn't clear, I know Tony from college. We

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go way back, Like you said, very small Baptist school

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in the middle of nowhere. You pretty much knew everybody there,

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So Tony and I had no choice but to be friends,

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I guess, but it worked out. Yeah, Tony, So I

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know you from that era obviously, but I don't really

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know much about your life before that. Can you just

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kind of fill me in on your background, your faith,

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like what brought you to the moment of going to

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a Christian college?

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Speaker 3: So, oh, that's a and I've never been to ask

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that per se.

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Speaker 2: So I grew up in this eastern central Indiana like

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rural area outside of a factory town, and my parents

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my my life, my grandmother actually led me to the

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Lord in the back of her Toyota Camry while on

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Speaker 3: I was four and a half years old. And that's

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Speaker 3: My sister went to live with my mom.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and then my dad's job, which is a factory job,

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millennials were affected by that kind of recession era of

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politics and the failed trade policies of the George W.

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Bushian era and the Obama era of politics. And I

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also always loved politics as well. I went to a

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sixth and before he ran for governor. I was his

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last congressional appointment to West Point and ended up doing

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some stuff with West Point. Did SLS, got through a

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lot of the training, a lot of good stuff there,

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but didn't feel that's really what I was made for,

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engineering degrees and just really focused on that side of

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the ledger, and I felt like I wanted to do

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something more people oriented, and so ended up leaving there

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and went to this tiny Baptist college where my friends

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were going, honestly and in the middle of nowhere, Wisconsin

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at Maranatha and honestly took an education to re kind

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of on a lark and found I loved it and

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was so I was a science ed guy and that's

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kind of what led me there. A lot of it

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was more accidental. I wish I could say I had

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these driving moments in theory, but I am one of

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those who did kind of bump into things.

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Speaker 1: So Okay, yeah, I'm misremembering. I thought it was history ed,

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was science d interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was that dorky bill Nish because victually it

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was music education and then I thought, well, I actually

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want a job. And also, I don't know if you remember,

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there was this very severe, almost like slavic Russian lady

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't remember.

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Speaker 2: She would smack my wrists with a ruler because I

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don't classical music.

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Speaker 2: I'm a pianist and I don't play classical stuff, and

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I'm not as good at it. I'm more of a

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chords in jazz and gospel and that kind of a thing, sure,

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which she wasn't and so I was like, well, I

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don't want to do four years of having my wrists smacked.

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Speaker 1: It's not into you. She was not into you and

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your kind.

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Speaker 2: No, I need to play real music. And it's like,

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please don't send me to the gulag. So, yeah, I

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picked science education. I always kind of like science, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: Huh okay, so you are so you major in science

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ed you very publicly are no longer a teacher. Can

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you kind of walk me through what exactly happened with

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the Indiana education system?

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Speaker 2: Tony So, I had done a little bit of teaching

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in Wisconsin, had worked in Governor Walker's office, and liked politics.

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who was a granddaughter of a representative in the state,

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and we were friends. She wrote for this little outlet,

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actually she's the second was the second article for it

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called Loan Conservative that was run by Cassiedylan now kasi

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Akiva and had got me writing. So I was like

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messing around with some political commentary and writing. When I

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was in college. There were no professors that were ever

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fawning over my ability to write, but got into it,

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enjoyed it, and I was also teaching in public schools,

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getting through student teaching into regular teaching.

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Speaker 3: You've seen the movie Hoosiers basketball movie.

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Speaker 1: Actually no, I haven't wa Wow.

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Speaker 2: To be from the Midwest and not have seen tachers

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is a cardinal sin our standard snowpun intended.

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Speaker 3: No, it's so the school that that is a shot

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Speaker 2: I got a Teacher of the Year in my first

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two years, and that was a problem because I wasn't

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special at all. I'm not trying to be modest either.

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I mean there were ways that I cut corners, in

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ways that I you know, there were tons of days

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that I wasn't my best, and I always thought the

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teacher of the year was this over obsessed, over excited

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Walmart Greeter of a person who was like you know

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what I mean, like miss Rachel personified maybe without the

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radical Islam please.

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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 2: I wasself, well, then something's really wrong in this education system.

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of like these teachers that wanted to be Mommy and

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that wouldn't do any discipline and administrators that wouldn't hold

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standards for discipline, and as education teacher, I had a

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SPED license because as doctor Holly was obsessed that I

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get one. I was just just like, very, you have

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to have one, and I thought, oh, I don't want

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to teach SPED. He said, that's exactly why you need

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a SPED license. You just don't put it on your resume,

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and he was very correct.

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Speaker 3: And I had like these.

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Speaker 2: Arguments with special ed because there were all these far

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left leaning, weird New Age ideas in education that sucked.

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Speaker 3: That weren't based in fact, but just well, don't you

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love kids. You don't want to hurt them, do you?

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Speaker 2: And then they would suddenly stop paying attention when the

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kids would get hurt because of their policies or their plans,

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they would just blame it on something else, usually some

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right wing parent or whatever. I also learned to desperately

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hate teachers unions during that time, because they did, what's.

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Speaker 3: The proper Christian way to say.

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Speaker 2: This bleepall to protect me or any of my colleagues.

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised that that was when it was cultivated in

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you and not when you were working for Governor Walker,

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who was like notoriously an anti teacher union governor, Like

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that was his that was his main thing.

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Speaker 2: So what he so while a lot of staff in

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Governor Walker's office were kind of and this would come

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to plague me later, would kind of attend the dinners

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because we're publicans.

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Speaker 3: We have lots of dinners with people.

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Speaker 2: I was driving around to god forsaken places like Appleton, Euclaire,

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Dunbar to like meet with teachers. Because he eventually moved

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me from this policy and ledge and turned to junior

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education advisor, which is about as useful as feet on

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a fish. I didn't really get into a lot of

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the teacher politic drama there I did. I mean, I

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talked with unions, but I met too many local union

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reps who honest to God people, and many hate Walker

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and did want freedom and like choice to be the

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union or not. But when I was in Indiana and

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I saw how it affected my classroom, and I saw

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how it affected like I wasn't allowed.

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Speaker 3: To negotiate my own contract.

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Speaker 2: The union just decided even if not everyone had to

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be in the union, they were just going to acide

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the rules. I was like, why why do you get

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your hands in my pocket? Whether I wanted or not,

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ended up getting married and was writing in, you know,

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politically at this time for a couple of outlets. My

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very first big time op ed as in like getting

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in a major publication was actually The Federalist. I use

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it as a time to warn everyone about all of

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these like someone telling you stem education was cool with

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all of kids learning with robots and these toys, and

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I said, these are just shiny toys that are being

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sold and like chromebooks, and distance learning is a lie.

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both huge wastes of money, and.

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Speaker 1: Well, you were ahead of the curve on that one too.

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On the distance learning.

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Speaker 2: It's worse because my thesis for one of my master's

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degrees is the Coming Crisis. Well it is called replacing

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the Educator, Like the coming crisis. That's going to mean

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we're going to have to rely on distance learning.

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Speaker 3: And I didn't.

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Speaker 2: And that was in nineteen when I published it, and

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I said, I don't know. I didn't actually think of

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as a pandemic. I thought it maybe like a nineteen

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seventy one style blizzard that keeps everyone inside.

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Speaker 3: For six weeks or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But anyhow, then I ended up getting into politics, moved

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into administration after I got my master's degrees and taught

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in an inner city school and Indianapolis Public Schools was just

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ridiculously woke, obviously is the most inner city kind of

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the biggest school district in the state at the time.

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managing two hundred something teachers, which by the way, I

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was far too young to do. Good Heavens. When I

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got to do my job, it was awesome. I loved it.

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Speaker 3: Teachers like the work I did.

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Speaker 2: But I was stuck in all of these racial equity

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meetings and arguing like two white women arguing whether gay

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men or black men were more oppressed in this country.

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I saw Gloria Ladson Billings again, who was at University

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Wisconsin Madison. I audited some of her classes while we

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us this telemarketer script. If our parents or teachers asked us, hey,

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are you teaching critical race theory? This is around twenty

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not using critical race theory.

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Speaker 3: Actually we are using.

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Speaker 2: But then behind closed doors we would laugh like at

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our parents and teachers because we knew we were right.

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more calculated. I had been kind of collecting evidence for

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about a year on the district because there was a

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guy that tried to get me fired for tweeting rest

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in Peace Rush Limbaugh about a year prior. Okay, yeah,

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then I just finally one morning something snapped.

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Speaker 3: I'd been running an education.

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basically released a video that said, yeah, if we tell

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you we're not teaching critical race theory, relying to you,

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keep looking. And then it took them two months to

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fire me. I went on Tucker that evening, which then

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a bunch of staff tried to claim was emotional harassment

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and abuse and caused them psychological trauma. Incredible, and then

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they took him two months to fiery because I was

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a good employee, okay. And so while my wife was

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in the labor room dealing with preclamsya with our first

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born a month early, I was being fired officially finally

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from Indianapolis, and oh, it was just go into politics

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and education, writing and stuff full time. Sorry answer, I've

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tried like eight times to condense that down before. It's

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a hard one because there's a lot of stuff in there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, Well, yeah, I have so many follow up questions,

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so many things I want to ask you.

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Speaker 3: I am about sorry.

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Speaker 1: First of all, is just the way you described your classroom.

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I assume you read that piece in Compact mag within

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the past couple weeks. I don't know. Time has no

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meaning right now from Helen Andrews about the great feminization

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And did you read that article? It was like very

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chatted about like in DC Circles, which neither of us

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is in. But fantastic article. Joy Pullman at The Federalist

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wrote a follow up piece, quibbling with a few points

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of it, but overall fantastic piece. And she basically talks

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about basically anything that you think of as wokeness is

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just the feminization of America. And just the way that

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you describe the administration and the culture at that school

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is exactly what she talks about. Where you can be fired,

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She talks about how you can be fired for, you know,

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using locker room talk kind of a thing, but you

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can't be fired for running a corporation like a Montessori kindergarten.

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And because we've just become like completely feminized and the

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way that education has contributed to that as well, and

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so what you're describing seems to really fit into that problem.

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Speaker 2: It.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know the article you're talking about. I'm

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not surprised.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, I'm not surprised that Joy had the takes

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that she had on it, because Joy's an excellent writer,

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and not only because she's a Hoosier, Joy's just an

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excellent writer in general.

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Speaker 3: But in this instance, yes, this is something that I

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did grow to learn. I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I never really put a finger on it while I

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was in education, because I also had bosses who were women,

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who were very competent administrators and weren't just QTc female

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but also catfight any qt C kind of femininesque leadership

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is also that kind of caty, vindictive, aggressive kind of

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thing where they're always threatened. And the moment for me

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that I think that I recognized that was an issue

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in education, believe it or not, was my first year

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teaching when I heard the real story about how my

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fourth grade teacher, who I ended up a totally different school,

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ended up teaching alongside in an intermediate school fourth grade

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to eighth grade, I found out the real reason he

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was canned from the school that I grew up in,

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because a couple of years after I was out.

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Speaker 3: Of that school, he got canned.

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Speaker 2: And the argument was always, well, he had sexually harassed

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a student teacher and that kind of brokeer.

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Speaker 3: Oh he did.

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Speaker 2: And it turned out that the actual story behind it,

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and I'd seen the documents, I actually went and foyed

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some things for that old school. He had made a

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flirtatious line at a student teacher that she took like

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took the wrong way. Essentially, there's really no weapon whether

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or not it was that that was really what occurred.

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She had previously been making like sexually predatory remarks about

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the male teachers at the school, and so the double.

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Speaker 3: Standard, yeap is like wild, and he was casking by.

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Speaker 2: Like looking back now, I'm it's wild that that wasn't

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taken to court, because there's no way that I think

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in a court of law you could have actually made

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the case that there was any kind of sexual harassment.

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But this type of men are bad in education because

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men are naturally predatory and women are wonderful and understanding

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and their mommy and affirmation and love and wonder It

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has ruined education the minute that we have abdicated male

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leadership and education like the master model of the trades,

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it's completely fallen out from under it. It's why most young

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men who fought the real reason most young men find

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such joy and fulfillment in working in a trades position

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is because they're under the tutelage of a grizzled old

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man who just doesn't care about silly stuff right and

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actually gets things done and teaches real life skills right.

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Men and women do, in fact need that. Strong men

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and women are necessary.

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Speaker 3: This muling well, you can't say anything mean because that

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sex siste and mean.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean you wonder my boss when I was

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fired form MYPS, her first name is literally Barbie.

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Speaker 3: I'm not joking.

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Speaker 1: Oh my word, it's too fitting. It's too fitting Bobby.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it is Bobby, but Barbie it was. It was

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like it was a dead match Bobby. But yes, it

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was like hmm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, don't even get me started on these me

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two things. Either, because I'm I've been really on an

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audiobook kick lately, and I'm just wrapping up listening to

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Molly Hemingway and Carrie Sabrinino's book Justice on Trial about

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the Kavanaugh rape hookes and that whole situation. And so

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I'm real hot and bothered right now about the me

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Too era, even though it's a little bit past.

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Speaker 2: But alivest toxic Empathy is also really solid on this matter.

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And that's I think partly how Ali and I actually

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became friends in this movement is my because I'm you'd say, well,

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whether are you light on sexual assault? It's no, I'm

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I believe that those who are convicted of any crime

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regarding like sexual nature, like actual sexual assault, rape, should

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be hanged in the public square, right, I mean, erect

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a gallows, hang him in the public square. A firing

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squad is a type of bravery and mercy. No, I

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mean what I mean. So, I just don't believe in

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feminizing leadership at the same time, right, right, And it's

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also insulting to women because it makes the ideal woman

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to be this career lusting, passive, aggressive lady at the

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beginning of a Hallmark movie. Hm, you know, like the

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CEO from New York who's balancing a lot of things.

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Speaker 3: Is she wonderful? And like the best female bosses that

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I've had have not been like that at all?

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Speaker 1: Correct? Correct? Yep, on PC Sorr.

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Speaker 2: I know we're bouncing around in and of this question,

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but yeah, you hit the nail on the head.

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Speaker 1: No, I love that. I actually wrote a piece a

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while back about how I very much fit into the

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Hallmark stereotype of somebody who aspired to be some level

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of that cringe type of boss babe, which is like

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the dumbest and cringiest thing I got to ever say

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or admit, and then kind of fell backwards into small

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town Midwest, met my husband and decided, actually, that sounds

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awful and I would rather live a nice trad life here.

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Speaker 2: I have been fine. So there was a study that

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I read recently. I don't have it in front of

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me that has shaken my perspective on a ton. I

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found it about six months ago. Okay, the longer, on average,

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the longer a lady waits to have her first child,

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less likely she is to go back to work once.

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Speaker 3: She has that child.

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Speaker 2: So a woman who has a child at between like

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eighteen nineteen to twenty two eighty percent likely to go

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to work to put the kid and take care. Someone

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who has what would be considered a geriatric pregnancy term

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considering like thirty is not old, but still like someone

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who has their first baby between ages twenty eight and

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thirty five are eighty percent likely not to go.

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Speaker 3: Back to work.

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Speaker 1: Interesting does miss.

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Speaker 2: Financial stability Maybe it's it's you know, but really it's

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it's a question of fulfillment, and once you get out

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there sample the corporate growing, corporate y ladder, whatever that

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has been advertised to young women, you're.

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Speaker 3: Like, wow, this sucks.

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Speaker 2: Yep, that's what I'm sorry, it's really shaped a lot

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of that. A study was like, oh my gosh, yeah,

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it's kind of it's a red pill moment.

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Speaker 1: I think, no, please send that to me, because that's

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it's really not surprising. But I wasn't sure how much

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the stability component played in where it's like, and that's

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how I hate me and you're poor when you're nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't there's I think it's it's two. There

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are too many factors and this is the part of

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education that always makes me insufferable talking about data points

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that there are too many factors. You know, I hate

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the word nuance. This is one of those that there

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really could be some genuine nuance too though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I will say anecdotally, the more women I

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talk to who get to that thirty ish mark who

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were previously on the whoops, I forgot to turn off

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my reactions, so now everyone can.

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Speaker 3: I'm always worried.

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Speaker 2: That's me, even though I'm on a PC, So just

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ignore my response to that.

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Speaker 3: No, please continue.

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Speaker 1: I actually did before, and now they must be back on,

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so I'm turning that off. Okay. Any who, the more

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women I talk to who get to that thirty ish

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mark who used to be very very focused on career,

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It's it's wild how much there's just a biological and

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mental and even spiritual shift that happens. So that study

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you're referencing is really not that surprising to me. Even

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if there is a component that's a little bit of stability,

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I'm sure there's a lot of it that is a fulfillment.

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So I wish there were a better way to measure that.

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But yeah, very interesting.

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Speaker 3: You have to send it, and that's I will say.

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Speaker 2: That's one of the reasons that I bring up the

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study anyway, It's like, well, if you don't think that

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the study is full and there's other factors, then why bring.

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Speaker 3: It up, Because every anecdote confirms it.

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Speaker 2: Every single anecdote that I've heard regarding this study confirms it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, because we also know a lot about how little

477
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financial incentives actually play into when people do or do

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not have kids.

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Speaker 3: Also, it goes the.

480
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Speaker 2: Opposite way too, of family, humans innately are given.

481
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, as Christians I might say, is

482
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like the.

483
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Speaker 2: Law of God written on individuals' hearts in this discussed

484
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in Psalms that everyone really kind of innately understands the

485
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purpose of family and structure and when individuals are likely happiest.

486
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But this weird, I don't know, like higher civilization washing

487
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that we've done where we say.

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Speaker 3: Well, actually people who are very happy is.

489
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Speaker 2: A really weird mainstay that we've now brought into every conversation.

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Speaker 3: When you've seen this with like the LGBTQ issue, is.

491
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Speaker 1: This, well, and there can be people who are men

492
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are parents than snake parents in me yep, my risks yep. Well,

493
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and the same thing happens my husband and I talk

494
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about this a lot, which maybe this is going to

495
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get me into trouble. This is such a tangent, it's

496
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not even close to what I was going to talk

497
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to you about. But here we are.

498
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Speaker 2: This is what happens conversation. For the record, good rabbit

499
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:35,880
more fun. Good rabbit trails are more fun than like

500
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an established hiking trail.

501
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Speaker 1: That everyone's way more fun, way more fun. No, but

502
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I've seen this a lot in my own personal life

503
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of like how much it affects men psychologically and spiritually

504
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when they are not the providers in their home. I've

505
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seen a lot of men turn into mister mom and

506
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turn into shells of people with young children. And I'm

507
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,759
not this isn't People will say, oh, you don't think

508
00:25:03,759 --> 00:25:05,480
men should help with the kids, blah blah blah. No,

509
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that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying there

510
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is a nurturing and child rearing role that is so

511
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biologically hardwired into women. That's just different with men, and

512
00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:18,079
men are biologically hardwired to be the providers. Well, I

513
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mean it's biological gets turned on its head. It is

514
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bad for men, like real bad.

515
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Speaker 3: Oh it is.

516
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Speaker 2: I mean, of course it is but there's some innate

517
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biological factors that people don't ever pay attention to. And

518
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so this is, by the way, you want to know

519
00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:33,359
why I think that the science education thing ended up

520
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,000
really helping. It allows me to be a know it

521
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all at times in ways that like my political opponents

522
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can't possibly touch. I've had the privilege of watching so

523
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many Democrats strategists. I've been put on the other side

524
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of and TV hits. Because now in the National Correspondent,

525
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that's like my day job, so to speak. I'll whip

526
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out some stupid scientific fact that's obscure but true. They

527
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don't know how to address it. Here's one of them. Women,

528
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when children get hurt, naturally secrete a pheromone that draws

529
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their children to them and comforts them. Men do not

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men physically biologically, it is impossible for men to comfort

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their children as well as women. And by the way,

532
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just while we're sitting here, you know, talking about these things,

533
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even adoptive mothers will still secrete such a pheromone after

534
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kind of like a recognized training. But this is one

535
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of the reasons why surrogacy is kind of an issue biologically,

536
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is that it is much more difficult to establish.

537
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Speaker 3: That kind of pheromonal link.

538
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Speaker 2: One of the reasons we talk about, like the you know,

539
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rates of estrogen, how hormones change during pregnancy preps women

540
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to do this. There's a secretion of that, like as

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you get to the ninth month of pregnancy. So anyway,

542
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it's also why women are also considered like these supporters

543
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in the home to support the provider. That kind of

544
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comfort also comes out for husband too, a distinctly different

545
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pheromonal marker. But you know, that's the like our hormone system,

546
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and we've already seen that broader society with how they're

547
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just chucking hormones that people has no idea what the

548
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heck they're doing with those are.

549
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Speaker 1: My word, seriously, and it's not just trans it's also

550
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just like making women more like men with the pill.

551
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Speaker 2: There.

552
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Speaker 1: This goes so deep. It's not just maybe the most

553
00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:12,759
obvious things people think of.

554
00:27:13,839 --> 00:27:16,319
Speaker 2: If you know how people say that the way the

555
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,559
body is organized with like the oh, the nervous system

556
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,079
is so incredible, like how all of these nerve endings

557
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,759
like it, it speaks to the truth that there's a

558
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:27,920
god because those like how complex the eye is for

559
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,160
me just as a science teacher and as an anatomy

560
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,240
and physiology teacher.

561
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Speaker 3: It also.

562
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Speaker 2: The system of the body that most echoes the clear

563
00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:38,599
command that it is not just God but a Christian

564
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God is the endocrine system. The endocrine system is so

565
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:45,559
coded to basic human morality. Yes, it's not even funny.

566
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,920
I mean, how are It's not even something that you

567
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,039
can pavlov away and change realistically.

568
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Speaker 3: I mean it comes through like Jack Nicholson with the Acts.

569
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It's like, this is how it's going to be.

570
00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:56,799
Speaker 1: Man, mm hmm.

571
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh you leave education.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, come up with a follow up question for that, Kylie,

574
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,559
You get into politics all right?

575
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: You said that you were always kind of interested in

576
00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:13,640
politics as a kid or whatever because of your dad's

577
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,839
work and whatnot. But was it always something that you

578
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,640
actually gravitated toward, Like was there a tipping point moment

579
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,119
or a particular political issue that kind of catalyzed you

580
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,920
into being interested in writing or getting in the movement

581
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or was it really just the education stuff, like what

582
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:27,400
actually pulled you in?

583
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I've been interested in politics since I watched

584
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,200
as a four year old George Bush, you know, kick

585
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,319
the crap out of the election in oh four. Politics

586
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,519
is always, I think initially innately fascinated me because of

587
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:40,920
the drama.

588
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,359
Speaker 3: The drama is interesting. I enjoy watching politics in a way.

589
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Speaker 1: That anyone who knows Tony that's not surprising.

590
00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:49,599
Speaker 3: That's not no. I enjoy watching politics the way that

591
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,359
a lot of people enjoy watching the Office. I do.

592
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:53,680
It is the ta It's fun.

593
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:57,079
Speaker 2: There's also a pattern psychology element that is deeply fascinating

594
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to me. And you find a lot of my writing

595
00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:01,720
and exploit nations have to do with how people think

596
00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:05,039
and feel and connecting the common sense that everyone has

597
00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:08,519
to the broader philosophies and political ethos that I've added

598
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:11,599
through reading and writing, whether they be Thomas Sole or

599
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,880
whether it be Robert Heinlein who wrote the book Starship Troopers.

600
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So those particular aspects of what was the driving moment

601
00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:23,240
that made me dive into politics was in twenty fifteen,

602
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,559
and it was with our friend Ethan Hoffman. So I

603
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,000
was in a dorm room and I was working with

604
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like I think one of our guys was trying to

605
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:32,440
convince me to work with Governor Walker. I said yes,

606
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:35,039
but there was a clinical aspect of it. I was

607
00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:36,759
just doing it because I was told I'd be good

608
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:39,319
at it. I was taking kind of a break that

609
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,720
every kid who may have been involved in politics or

610
00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:45,279
avery young man goes to college and they'll either take

611
00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:47,440
a break from politics or they'll get into a really

612
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,240
stupid ideology. Mine was I kind of went more both

613
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:54,519
sides are bad libertarian, like just a year or two.

614
00:29:54,319 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: Because I was worst pat you could possibly.

615
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: Take everyone's really stupid and that saying everyone is stupid

616
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:02,640
makes me smart. And there was this video and I

617
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can't remember the guy, but there was this video of

618
00:30:05,079 --> 00:30:07,319
this guy that was shared on Twitter and everywhere at

619
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the time where America is not a great country.

620
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Speaker 3: Today, but we sure used to be. We used to

621
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disagree with each other.

622
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Speaker 2: And we used to talk and if I said the

623
00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:18,319
name of the actor, you would know it. But it

624
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:20,960
was paraded around as this, both sides are bad. America

625
00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:24,440
used to be a good place. And our friend Ethan

626
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,480
walked into the dorm room where I was watching that,

627
00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:28,039
and he said that video is retarded.

628
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Speaker 3: He said that video is awful, and I.

629
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Speaker 2: Was like, oh, no, it's not, and he said, no,

630
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:35,839
it's kind of the worst. And he pulls out a

631
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,319
Stephen Crowder clip okay and plays his breakdown of that,

632
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:42,960
and I was like, oh my gosh, you're right. How

633
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,720
could I ignored the history of that? And that flipped

634
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a switch in my mind and what suddenly became a

635
00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:53,799
fascination with me were people gaslighting and just changing the

636
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history of real.

637
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Speaker 3: Things that happened. And that's because I.

638
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Speaker 2: Now, even today our show over at the Daily Signal

639
00:31:01,599 --> 00:31:04,480
is a huge portion of what we do is accountability.

640
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And I keep receipts better than CVS does because I

641
00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:11,279
can't stand people who think they're just going to get

642
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:16,279
away with totally rewriting history right after something occur. Now,

643
00:31:16,279 --> 00:31:18,920
the nation became obsessed with it through COVID, and that's

644
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,960
one of the things that catapulted me to being not

645
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,519
just maybe another voice out there, is because I was

646
00:31:23,559 --> 00:31:26,759
already obsessed with it, people then said oh, okay, you're

647
00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:30,200
doing it good, here you go, and then threw me forward.

648
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Speaker 1: I would say, okay, yeah, yeah. And it's especially needful

649
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because the left wing corporate media industrial complex exists to

650
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do the opposite, like they exist to rewrite the history,

651
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and of course that sets the narrative, and so it's

652
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,000
super important to have people who with the receipts, which

653
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:56,119
is one thing that I'm loving from this book that

654
00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:58,000
I'm reading now, that Justice on Trial of just the

655
00:31:58,039 --> 00:32:02,880
receipts that Molly and Carrie produce, where Democrats just just

656
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,640
completely ignored witness statements and evidence and I mean everything

657
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,759
and just totally spun a narrative that was so contrary

658
00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:12,279
to the truth. But they do that with everything. I mean,

659
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this is every single news cycle you can possibly think of.

660
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And so yeah, I mean that's the importance of conservative

661
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,720
media and people who are willing to keep the receipts

662
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:21,559
and say what's true.

663
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Speaker 2: I would say this is the other half of why

664
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:28,079
my education training really became useful, because would they would

665
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take what you just talked about and as the receipts

666
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:34,480
as the curriculum, like the physical media and the evidences

667
00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:37,920
of objective actions which occurred. But in education, when you're teaching,

668
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:40,960
it's not just what you teach. There is also how

669
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you teach it. It's called pedagogy, and if you're really stupid,

670
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,480
you pronounce it pedagogy or pedagogy. Sorry, this is a

671
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,680
little little fun quirk that no one asked for. The

672
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,519
pedagogy of media Bothers the living hell out of me,

673
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the way to transform hormonal experimentation on children into gender

674
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affirming care.

675
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Speaker 3: YEP, they don't.

676
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Speaker 2: Say it's not pro life and pro choice, it's pro

677
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choice and anti abortion, right those kinds of languages.

678
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Speaker 3: For example.

679
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Speaker 2: I know that obviously, when you record a show like this,

680
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talking about news events is not always the wisest. The

681
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dearborn terrorist attack, which was stopped by the FBI, you'll

682
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notice that many of the media outlets in USA today,

683
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the Associated Press, initially they didn't include the word dearborn

684
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the name of the town in the title. They just

685
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said Michigan. Why say Michigan? In people's minds, what are

686
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the last couple of attacks that occurred in Michigan. You

687
00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:41,599
can think of the guy who assaulted the Mormon church,

688
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and then also you think of the plot to kidnap

689
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,799
Governor Gretchen.

690
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Speaker 3: Whitmer, which is she's a Democrat.

691
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Speaker 2: Automatically think, oh, conservatives did this so by in Michigan

692
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instead of dearborn, everyone knows in America that falls politics

693
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at all.

694
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 3: Dearborn Muslims.

695
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's that kind of insidious pedagogy that also

696
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infuriates me, and it's why right wing media is important.

697
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Speaker 3: When I was in Israel, I called the Israel government

698
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about this over I actually.

699
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Speaker 2: Argued with the Speaker of the House and also two

700
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of their lead anchors, you know, like they're their version

701
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,239
of like Brett Baher for instance, that like everyone would

702
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,760
recognize their Walter Cronkite kind of person. I said, Okay,

703
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,440
when you guys call a press conference, so you guys

704
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will get on stage and you will whine that the

705
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:25,800
majority of the world lies about what you're doing, and

706
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the major media.

707
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Speaker 3: Outlets per se, BBS, Sky News, whatever.

708
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Speaker 2: But then when you call a press conference, who do

709
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:33,360
you invite to the press conference? Are you inviting the

710
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,800
Daily Signal? You inviting the Federalists? Are you inviting BB News?

711
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:38,800
Who are you inviting?

712
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Speaker 4: Oh?

713
00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 3: Oh, you're inviting the same.

714
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Speaker 1: People right right.

715
00:34:43,079 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 3: I know they've that's been this year to grow it

716
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,199
if you want it to change.

717
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: The new media seat in the White House Press briefing

718
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,239
room has been truly a huge change. And it's so

719
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,199
sad that a single seat given to alternative media is

720
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,719
such a win, but it is. It truly is. So

721
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:03,000
we have this administration to thank for that.

722
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:05,559
Speaker 2: And also I would say that the work from some

723
00:35:05,639 --> 00:35:08,599
of our colleagues on two different sides of the right,

724
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,960
so to speak, would be Mary Margaret Olihan at the

725
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,480
Daily Wire formerly the Daily Signal, good friend, and then

726
00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:17,719
also the I cannot remember her name and I'm gonna

727
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,960
have to learn it here pretty soon, the young blonde

728
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:25,599
reporter for Mike Linde l TV. Her don't know the

729
00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:27,760
name yep, by the way, I mean you would. Those

730
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,639
who are watching this would know if they follow politics.

731
00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:31,559
She's the lady that's gotten all of the really good

732
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:35,199
clips lately. That's gotten Maxine Waters to admit that they

733
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,519
shut the government down over legal immigrants. That got had

734
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:40,000
Keen Jeffries to lose his mind, that got Nancy Pelosi

735
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,239
to yell about the National Guard.

736
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:42,519
Speaker 3: All of those hurt.

737
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: That kind of the right wing just deciding now that

738
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,039
our media is just as good and just as important.

739
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:48,639
Speaker 1: Yep.

740
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:53,079
Speaker 2: Taking the free press as seriously as we take CBS

741
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,199
is what got Barry Wise that position by just saying, Okay,

742
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,559
you know what, Actually, the Daily Wire is just as

743
00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:03,559
serious as CNN. Know, Federalist is just as serious as MSNBC.

744
00:36:04,119 --> 00:36:07,519
Taking that side of approach, I mean, it's it's a

745
00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:09,440
fake it till you make it on a national scale

746
00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:11,239
in a way. Yeah, but it's not faking it, you

747
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,119
know what I mean though, they're just the consonants of

748
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:13,599
assuming it.

749
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:14,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep.

750
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: But it's not even just the confidence. It's also it

751
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,159
has to start with not looking for pats on the

752
00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:24,599
back or for good contracts and gigs. You know, like

753
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:28,960
you can't be you know, David French comes to mind,

754
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:30,840
but there are many, many more David Frenches in the world.

755
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:34,599
You cannot be aspiring to be a columnist for WAPO

756
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,960
or the New York Times in order to do your

757
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:39,639
to make your assent in conservative politics, because if you are,

758
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,159
you will not be a conservative commentator for very long,

759
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,760
you know. You it's not just about the confidence, and

760
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,320
it's also but it also can't be about, you know,

761
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,000
climbing the ladder. It's like you just have to go

762
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:53,199
in and not care who likes you. You know, if

763
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,199
you if you are getting glossy coverage in the Wall

764
00:36:56,199 --> 00:37:00,920
Street Journal or anywhere else, you're probably not doing it right.

765
00:37:01,679 --> 00:37:04,519
Speaker 2: So I talked about this when I was getting started,

766
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:06,760
So when I was still at Lawrence North, which is

767
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,159
where I taught between Nightstown and ips. The COVID thing

768
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,199
was just getting started, and I had these masters reies

769
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:16,320
in that thesis that I talked about earlier, and WFYI,

770
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,840
the PBS nprsh station here in Indiana, had invited me

771
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,000
on to talk as because I was this young and

772
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:26,880
up and coming education guy who had called something in

773
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,000
advance it would become a trend, but they didn't know

774
00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:33,599
it yet. They invited me on, and then my school

775
00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:35,840
system flipped out and said, no, he can't go on

776
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,000
and talk because my school knew that I was writing

777
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:42,599
right wing commentary articles at the time. But since then,

778
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,599
WFYI and other stations of that nature have internal policies

779
00:37:48,119 --> 00:37:50,280
where they say, do not mention Tony Kinnett, do not

780
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,519
talk about him, because that elevates the work. And so

781
00:37:52,599 --> 00:37:55,599
I just focused on, Okay, we're just going to write

782
00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:57,639
the best stuff at the time over at Chalkboard Review,

783
00:37:57,639 --> 00:38:00,679
which we'd founded for this reason, to focus on the

784
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:03,320
good content and not focus on, Oh, I'm going to

785
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,519
keep on going until I'm hired by X or whatever.

786
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:09,880
I'm going to keep on going until I'm at the

787
00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:13,000
New York Post or at the New York Times or

788
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,639
what have you. And there is a danger not just

789
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:21,920
the David French that wing over on social media, the

790
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,960
people who desperately want to be the breaking news influencer.

791
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:26,679
Speaker 1: Mm hm.

792
00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: So this is actually my quibble with Bennie Johnson. I

793
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,679
don't mind saying publicly that Benny often is so obsessed

794
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:35,480
with being out in front and being the guy that

795
00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:37,199
people cite. And by the way, I've cited him a lot,

796
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,719
and as someone who has kind of a long standing

797
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,000
rivalry with him, like stealing my memes and not crediting me,

798
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:45,800
like ten years of that, that's always been kind of

799
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,079
a joke that to cite Benny, I'm really admitting he

800
00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:50,239
did some great reporting here, and he has back saying

801
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:51,960
whether Laura.

802
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 3: Trump was gonna run for the Senate or something. That's

803
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:54,880
an example.

804
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,639
Speaker 2: But at times he'll get so excited to be the

805
00:38:57,679 --> 00:38:59,920
guy that people give praise to, he.

806
00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:02,599
Speaker 3: Won't fact check his stuff. He'll see a rumor.

807
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,559
Speaker 2: And he'll just go tweet it, and then it's embarrassing

808
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:08,480
because now that has to be taken down. So there's

809
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:10,639
the aspiration to be the wrong thing, and there's also

810
00:39:10,679 --> 00:39:13,639
the aspiration to be the big influencer that everyone thinks

811
00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:15,119
is really impressive, right right.

812
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: Both of those are damaging.

813
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,199
Speaker 1: Right right. It's it turns into this weird third way

814
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,480
sort of you know, it's whether it's uh, whether they're

815
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,320
doing it spiritually or politically. It's kind of like what

816
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,440
you described as your brand of politics in college, where

817
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,239
you just kind of you you brand yourself as this

818
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,039
like moderate who's kind of above it all, and like

819
00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:37,800
that's just not a good way to actually tell the truth, correct.

820
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's my big issue with David French is

821
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,920
it's like he just came out, so, you know, David

822
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,440
French praising the Hamasniks and the zorn Mandani's and like

823
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:50,559
the Antifa crew and then turning around and saying, you

824
00:39:50,559 --> 00:39:52,719
know what, Christians need to shape up because I'm a

825
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,199
Christian and I'm a conservative.

826
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 3: It's like, no, you're not.

827
00:39:55,800 --> 00:40:00,599
Speaker 1: To say his safe conservatism from itself. We have to

828
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:01,760
elect Kamala Harris.

829
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: No.

830
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,639
Speaker 1: There was an interview with David French I think it

831
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:06,519
was earlier this year that I talked about on a

832
00:40:06,559 --> 00:40:12,679
previous podcast, and he gets asked about his job offer

833
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,400
to join the New York Times as a columnist, and

834
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,519
he talks about how like, oh, I wasn't expecting it

835
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:19,119
at all, but it was such an honor. I was

836
00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:21,440
just so thrilled to be called. I'm like, no self

837
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,360
respecting conservative would be honored or flattered by a job

838
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,559
a job offer at the New York Times. That would

839
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:28,880
be a sign that it's time for you to get

840
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,599
the heck out of conservative journalism because you don't belong there.

841
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: Like, that's such a cultured and measured response. Because when

842
00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:38,960
you described his response to me, the first thing that

843
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,880
came out as wow, that's just really gay.

844
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 3: Like imagine going, oh, the New York Times is Oh boy.

845
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,119
Speaker 2: I know, dude, testosterone gets some They make it in

846
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,360
pills now, I mean, come on, man.

847
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he loves when people take those pills. It's

848
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,719
the blessing of liberty. Yeah, I'm ready to say it.

849
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 2: Just go to the doctor's office, you tell him you

850
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,280
want to become a man, and you know, I don't know,

851
00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:03,960
just just go for it, bud.

852
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:11,119
Speaker 5: Yikesh Yeah, Tony, how so, of course we know your

853
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:14,760
horrible political takes from your college era, you self righteous

854
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:15,519
libertarian you.

855
00:41:16,639 --> 00:41:20,119
Speaker 2: I dumped immediately after that Stephen Crowder video. I immediately

856
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:21,679
dumped it and never never looked back once.

857
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,519
Speaker 1: God bless Ethan Hoffman for radically changing the trajectory of

858
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:24,880
your life.

859
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,159
Speaker 3: I don't even think that he knows.

860
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,559
Speaker 2: I don't even think that he knows, because after that

861
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:31,280
I actually got into all of the podcastersphere, like the

862
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,719
Benchpiro Show and other stuff. And I mean I was

863
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:39,280
still for manufacturing firearms questionably legally and have but that's

864
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,199
you know, I still, yeah, I've become way more socially

865
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,199
conservative and like, yeah, there are some decisions that you know,

866
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,679
you don't get to abuse your children. Sorry, that's not libertarian.

867
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,039
You know, that's not a free speech issue. You're just

868
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:52,199
that person.

869
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:59,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

870
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 4: Talking heads are preaching that you're entitled to your social security,

871
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:05,519
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872
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874
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875
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876
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877
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881
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Speaker 2: Get your podcasts.

882
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just going to ask, since you, since

883
00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:40,159
you've made your way into the political fray, and especially

884
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,239
since the Trump era of politics, like what the main

885
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,400
ways your political philosophy has shifted.

886
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 3: Oh, this is a good one.

887
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: This is a great question because my answer is very,

888
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,159
very unique, and I've talked about it before, so it won't.

889
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:52,639
Speaker 3: Be two verbose.

890
00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 2: There is a book that I've already referenced in this

891
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,639
chat called Starship Troopers by Robert Heinlein. It is not

892
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:04,599
the nineteen ninety's satire version that has some great acting

893
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,880
and also some interesting topless scenes. That's not why you

894
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,239
should just like making it clear what it's not. The

895
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,719
nineteen fifty nine book by Robert Heinlein is the only

896
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,159
piece of fiction that the US Army recommends to its

897
00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:23,039
officers as a novel. It is a really it is

898
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:26,559
a political philosophy novel masquerading as a sci fi novel.

899
00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:29,280
Like the Harry Potter series, Harry Potter books are not

900
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,760
actually books about magic and wizard y things. They're mystery

901
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:39,599
books masquerading as a fantasy, and the philipolitical philosophy of

902
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:42,719
Robert Heinlein all goes and boils down to what it

903
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,719
means to be a citizen, who should get.

904
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: To vote and why?

905
00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:49,599
Speaker 2: And this is a thing that humanity has really wrestled with,

906
00:43:50,199 --> 00:43:54,039
and the unlimited democracy of everyone gets all of the privileges,

907
00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:57,400
but none of the consequences and the responsibility at the time,

908
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,519
he said in fifty nine, would go on to tear

909
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:02,079
down the way, and he said, so, the answer to

910
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:06,519
this is that everyone needs in their society. Everyone has

911
00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:10,679
to demonstrate their willingness to sacrifice themselves for the whole

912
00:44:10,679 --> 00:44:15,039
of the nation by demonstrating federal service. And that doesn't

913
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:16,920
mean serving in the military as they portrayed in the

914
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,079
nineties movie. But you have to demonstrate even giving your

915
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:23,679
life if necessary through a dangerous or a difficult job,

916
00:44:24,199 --> 00:44:26,440
that you are willing to give your life to the whole.

917
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,280
That's how you win the franchise to vote. And it

918
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,440
is your constitutional right to serve, so whether or not.

919
00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:35,280
And they make a point of this in the book

920
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,519
because they say the character Johnny Rico, the main guy,

921
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:41,960
he's applying to serve because he he's a pretty girl

922
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,239
and he wants to impress her in the uniform, and

923
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,440
he's really getting nervous because there's all of these tests

924
00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:50,679
he wasn't expecting. And he asked the doctor, you know,

925
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,440
am I doing well? Do you think I'm going to fail?

926
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:54,239
And he says, oh, we're not allowed to fail people.

927
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,079
He said, if you came into this office and you

928
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:59,719
were blind and deaf and crippled, he said, we would

929
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,239
still except you. We would just find something difficult and

930
00:45:02,559 --> 00:45:04,679
arduous for you to do, maybe counting the hair on

931
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,920
a caterpillar by touch. And the reason is is access

932
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,920
to performing said service unlimited, but you have to demonstrate it.

933
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,280
Right now, we have a lot of people who have

934
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,519
conscript syndrome. We have people who resent America because they're

935
00:45:18,519 --> 00:45:19,440
told to vote.

936
00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 3: You need to vote, you need care. And it's because

937
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:23,280
everyone's a citizen.

938
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 2: Why does the idiot who doesn't want anything to do

939
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:31,079
with civic virtue have as much political power as I do,

940
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,400
who cares and invests the time?

941
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 3: And it's like, oh, you want a polling tax?

942
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 4: No no, no, no no.

943
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:39,519
Speaker 2: Everyone should have equal access to do so It's why

944
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:42,119
I don't believe a conscript military is a terrible thing

945
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,880
because if you're in a foxhole next to someone and

946
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,719
he was drafted there and doesn't want to be there,

947
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,920
how likely is that he actually has his back. If

948
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,440
you have to get up and run and you need

949
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:53,480
him to give you covering fire, he's more likely to

950
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:56,119
sit in the foxhole, let you die and save his

951
00:45:56,159 --> 00:45:59,800
own skin. That's what American politics has become a festering

952
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,320
wamp of in the Trump era in the last couple

953
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:03,760
of years.

954
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,159
Speaker 3: I have read that book eight times.

955
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: Wow, what is it called again? Say the name of.

956
00:46:08,159 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 2: It Ourship Troopers Troopers nineteen fifty nine, And it's a.

957
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 3: Very good novel, and he does.

958
00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: It's also helped by the fact that a lot of

959
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,079
sci fi novels that are older sucked because they don't

960
00:46:18,119 --> 00:46:21,480
understand how to predict things. He kind of accurately predicts

961
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:24,920
the way the tech realistically develops, but that's not hinging

962
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,039
on the story, and the author actually makes a point

963
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:30,000
to say that it's a political philosophy book that wrestles

964
00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:33,800
the entire time, essentially having flashbacks to his high school

965
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:39,199
history and moral philosophy course and wrestling with like why

966
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,559
does everything boil down to, like, why is everything the

967
00:46:42,559 --> 00:46:46,280
government boiling down to a gun? Particulated this before so

968
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,360
of every other political philosophy. At some point every law

969
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,559
is backed up by the government having to put you

970
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:55,960
down to enforce it if necessary, even a parking ticket,

971
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,760
it's enforced by the gun. So if all of government

972
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,920
adds action is naked brutal violent force in opposition to

973
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,239
the female the feminine violence never solves anything, Well, then

974
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:09,880
how do we responsibly use the force?

975
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 3: Right?

976
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,199
Speaker 2: And I'm not talking George Lucas, like, how do we

977
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:17,119
actually responsibly use that governmental naked brutal force?

978
00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: Right?

979
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: And it's sorry, That's just how my political philosophy has changed.

980
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,679
That's made me more, as you can tell, like actually conservative,

981
00:47:23,679 --> 00:47:26,800
as opposed to if we just let everyone go, then

982
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,280
social contract everyone will act wonderfully. No, Lord of the

983
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,159
Flies made it clear that that's bs right. Right.

984
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:36,519
Speaker 1: Well, since you brought up George Lucas, I will just

985
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:38,280
let the listeners in on a little bit of lore.

986
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,719
I don't know if you remember this, Tony, but well

987
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,000
I know you remember part of this. Back in the day,

988
00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:45,119
in the college days, Tony and I were in the

989
00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:48,760
same traveling choir and so we would go on tour

990
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,840
in the spring and in the fall or whenever it was,

991
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,199
and we we fifty of us or whatever would be

992
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:54,719
stuck on a tour bus and we would go around

993
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,119
to wherever we were going for a week and sing

994
00:47:57,159 --> 00:47:59,719
in all these churches and schools and whatnot, and on

995
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,559
this seat in the on the bus. You would be

996
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:04,159
assigned to seats for like each leg of the trip.

997
00:48:04,639 --> 00:48:06,440
And the one day I was assigned to sit next

998
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,199
to Tony. And I am not a sci fi girl

999
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,480
at all, like, actually largely hate the genre unless there's, like,

1000
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,559
you know, a standout thing very rare that I like

1001
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:19,679
a sci fi think. And Tony was like, you've never

1002
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,199
seen Star Wars. We need to watch Star Wars. And

1003
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,599
he turned on episode three year episode one or whatever

1004
00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:26,039
the heck the first one is. That's not really the

1005
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:30,159
first one. It's actually kind of for okay whatever. And

1006
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,639
I was borrowing his doctor who blanket and watching Star Wars.

1007
00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:36,159
Speaker 3: That wasn't my doctor who blanket, No.

1008
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 1: Who was doctor who Blanket. I was borrowing a doctor

1009
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,880
who blanket and I was watching Star Wars.

1010
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 3: And it was worst.

1011
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,519
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was the worst couple of hours of

1012
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:46,280
my life.

1013
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 2: That was never was not mine, that was not my doctor.

1014
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,039
I don't care for doctor who. That's because of a

1015
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:53,679
high school X that that was obsessed with it and

1016
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,320
I was. But that Star Wars, Yeah, sorry for making

1017
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:57,519
you watch a new hope you're well.

1018
00:48:57,679 --> 00:48:59,679
Speaker 1: It was horrible. It was horrible, and I have never

1019
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,679
watched another episode of Star Wars or whatever you want

1020
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:06,280
to call them again. And so anyway, so all of

1021
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,719
that to say, I'm I'm very gun shy about Tony's

1022
00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:13,039
sci fi recommendations, but this book actually sounds good and

1023
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:14,840
I don't have to add it to my list it is.

1024
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 3: It's good.

1025
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: And again it's I'm not saying that it's perfect or

1026
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,440
finished worker that I endorse absolutely everything, but the fundamental

1027
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:27,119
question of how we save ourselves from an an infantile

1028
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,480
view of justice like because he wrestles with the idea

1029
00:49:31,519 --> 00:49:34,920
of cruel and unusual punishment, which is essential to why

1030
00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:38,119
is the biggest punishment you can get for a crime

1031
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,840
in most states, a taxpayer funded timeout with more reading, exercise,

1032
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,199
and entertainment.

1033
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 3: Then many people can work to afford and.

1034
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 2: Achieve why Why Why is it? And also sorry, the

1035
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,320
long ideas of also as levels is going to sound

1036
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,760
to people. Why is it that there is such a

1037
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,360
moral abhorrence towards uh, like the idea of like Guantanamo

1038
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,920
after nine ele it's like, oh, they were waterboarding, and

1039
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:10,079
don't you think that's really cruel and unusual? No, and

1040
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,320
there's an aspect of a brutal realism that I think

1041
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,920
that can become nihilistic and despondent. And just pretending that

1042
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,840
we're not going to play with those toys and so

1043
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,320
no one else is ever going to play with those

1044
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,880
toys is a dangerous thing. And the rights realizing this

1045
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,639
right now, like oh, we don't want Trump to prosecute

1046
00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:34,159
his political enemy. We just you know, actually the person

1047
00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:36,800
who got me off of that is the other political

1048
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,960
change that I've dealt with, and it deals with podcasting

1049
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,920
but also politics. Remember Julian Smith on YouTube, famous YouTuber

1050
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,440
that a lot of millennials enjoyed. I had a meeting

1051
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,000
with him about a year ago and I was asking

1052
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:52,920
him for some advice because the show was starting to

1053
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,920
really grow and maybe it was earlier this year either way,

1054
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,559
show was really starting to pick up steam. But I

1055
00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:02,199
had some questions and concerns and something i'd always hated,

1056
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,760
was Benny, if you're your staff here this is not

1057
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,559
a personal slight, but like the Benny Johnson esque thumbnail

1058
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:12,480
style you have, like the and the red circle and

1059
00:51:12,519 --> 00:51:15,119
the arrows and the lines. And I had an issue

1060
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:16,760
with that because we're talking about how you do things

1061
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,480
on the back end, the pedagogy.

1062
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 3: Of how you produce a show.

1063
00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 2: And I said, I don't want to I'm not trying

1064
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,320
to lure my audience into something. I don't want to

1065
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,400
bait them in like a cheap commercial. I'm not trying

1066
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,800
to do that. And he said, I understand that, and

1067
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,559
you shouldn't lie to your audience, he said, but he said,

1068
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:33,119
you need to play by the rules of the game.

1069
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,639
I don't understand what is after he said, Tony, he

1070
00:51:35,639 --> 00:51:37,840
said when you because I started to ask and he

1071
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,239
cut me off and was like, shut up, listen. When

1072
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,119
you play Monopoly, are there rules that you do not like?

1073
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,280
And say, yeah, I mean there's some bs and monopoly.

1074
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,880
Everyone knows this, he says, But when you are playing Monopoly,

1075
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,360
are there any rules that you ignore because you don't

1076
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,679
like them? No, you play by the rules why.

1077
00:51:55,559 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 3: Because you want to win?

1078
00:51:57,079 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 2: And right now there are rules on the table. There

1079
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,440
are certain thresholds that have been crossed, certain rubicons that

1080
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,800
have been forded, certain norms that have been shattered, and

1081
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,519
so either you play to win the game. Like redistricting

1082
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:12,400
is how I feel. There are a lot of conservatives Indianame.

1083
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:15,840
We can't redistrict. Oh no, I'm like, I'm sorry. Why

1084
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,480
does the racist piece of human trash Andre Carson deservacy

1085
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:23,079
because you endorse the idea of drawing a little circle

1086
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:25,840
around Indianapolis because that's where you think the black people live,

1087
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:26,559
and so they get to.

1088
00:52:26,639 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 3: Elect Like, that's disgusting.

1089
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: Why are we playing by that antiquated, deeply racist and

1090
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:32,960
divisionist rule.

1091
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:36,039
Speaker 3: No, right, right, that's also changed.

1092
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: But Tony, what if a future Democrat president were to

1093
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,639
weaponize the full power of the federal government to go

1094
00:52:42,679 --> 00:52:45,039
against his political opponents. Whatever would we do?

1095
00:52:46,159 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 2: I enjoy that. I enjoy the comment from conservatives that

1096
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,480
will point out things that Biden did. But my favorite

1097
00:52:53,519 --> 00:52:56,119
take on this is to play the interviews from right

1098
00:52:56,159 --> 00:52:59,639
before the election where Kamala Harris promised to pack the

1099
00:52:59,639 --> 00:53:03,320
Supreme Court to univerually add states to the union. Yep

1100
00:53:03,639 --> 00:53:07,159
is where Biden tried to just wash slap in a

1101
00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:12,079
constitutional amendment by tweet ignoring the Supreme Court, obviously, but

1102
00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:14,599
the things that Kamala Harris promised to do, things that

1103
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:16,039
Gavin Newsom has promised to do.

1104
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 3: Ye. And the argument that.

1105
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,559
Speaker 2: I get from moderates these days is, well, you don't

1106
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:21,559
know if they're really going to do that. And if

1107
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:23,840
I ever hear a moderate conservative try to tell me

1108
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,320
that in person, I am actually going to slap them.

1109
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,079
I'm going to reach back like a like a butler

1110
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,960
in an old movie and go, you per I'm a

1111
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:34,480
slap them, because that is the most brain debt.

1112
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:35,280
Speaker 3: They've already doing it.

1113
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 2: They are at the level of never giving power up

1114
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,039
again and committing maximum violence.

1115
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 3: When they do it.

1116
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, And you're on my hand that I want

1117
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,239
to be holding up during this conversation.

1118
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,679
Speaker 1: By the way, they actually do honor their campaign promises,

1119
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,000
like look at Letitia James, perfect example, you know, and

1120
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,719
like replicate that across all elected Democrats.

1121
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: The way I love the argument that Zorn Mandani is, oh,

1122
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:01,840
you don't know that he would do any of that.

1123
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,679
He doesn't have the power to do so, Oh yes,

1124
00:54:05,159 --> 00:54:12,679
notable respector of the law. Mandanies Okay, yeah, yeah.

1125
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:13,559
Speaker 3: Oh I'm convinced.

1126
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe not the physical power we've all seen the

1127
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,159
man try to do a one bench press, but the

1128
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,400
political power. They will seize the crap out of that.

1129
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 3: Yep. Yeah, of course they'll fight dirty. Yep.

1130
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 2: And when Nick Soleim Nick Solheim over at Boston University said,

1131
00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:31,280
you know what, you might have to be willing to die,

1132
00:54:31,639 --> 00:54:33,920
and we have willing to sacrifice your life. Again, there's

1133
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,159
that idea of the responsibility of the citizen in order

1134
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,880
to maintain the American ways of life. And then the

1135
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,199
chapter president or the university intimidation. There's some questions as

1136
00:54:46,199 --> 00:54:48,840
to who really threw the switch to disavow him and

1137
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,400
say that's really bad. How dare you young Republicans don't

1138
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,559
stand for that? Then what are you standing for? This

1139
00:54:56,079 --> 00:55:00,760
fetishization of the status quo Ropean conservatives that's what that

1140
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,480
is that European it's lost every time. Europeans have never

1141
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:07,719
had that style of clinging to the past conservatism that's

1142
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,880
done anything for them.

1143
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:14,639
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. And there is a wing of the Republican

1144
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:17,960
Party that I think it thinks it's bigger than it is,

1145
00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:22,480
but it's very, very loud that is very self righteously

1146
00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:24,960
advocating for this style of politics right now, and it's

1147
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:30,880
really frustrating because it's like amnesia about what we've experienced

1148
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,119
as Conservatives, as Christians, as Republicans, and just as citizens

1149
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:37,199
of this country over the past decade, like since the

1150
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,000
Obama era. I would say, yeah, I think.

1151
00:55:40,039 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 2: And the problem that I see in this is that, realistically,

1152
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,199
there are two I've said openly, there are two groups

1153
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:47,880
right now, and I've said this on the air before,

1154
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,519
So here we go. There are two people right now

1155
00:55:50,519 --> 00:55:53,519
who are equally annoying me. There are those who say

1156
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:56,840
we need to walk in lockstep with everyone and accept

1157
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,360
all behavior, and actually we need to lean into the

1158
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,880
worst behavior because it's good, because it's good that they're

1159
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:02,400
saying it.

1160
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,320
Speaker 3: It's good because if the left hates.

1161
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:06,119
Speaker 2: It, and if anyone hates it, that must mean it's

1162
00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:09,000
really really good. And then the people I equally hate

1163
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:14,559
are those who are the really picky, finicky let's not

1164
00:56:14,679 --> 00:56:19,159
get hasty, hang on norms. Both of those crews are

1165
00:56:19,159 --> 00:56:23,039
wrong and are very, very, very annoying at the present time.

1166
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 3: I really abhor.

1167
00:56:26,039 --> 00:56:31,199
Speaker 2: The junior high limp wristed slapping, contest. But I think

1168
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:32,679
the real reason that I, you know, what do you

1169
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,119
want to call them the so far to the right

1170
00:56:34,119 --> 00:56:37,800
that they're getting into the really weird conspiracy land and

1171
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,519
the really stupid crap and the obsession with the Jews

1172
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:42,480
and all of that. The reason I think they've gained

1173
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,719
so much popularity is because that is one of the

1174
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:48,280
only crews that is providing pictures of where they want

1175
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:52,639
America to go. Maybe, and as it's often the case,

1176
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,079
ninety nine percent of that the things that they say

1177
00:56:55,119 --> 00:57:00,000
need to be overcome to get there are wrong, fact wrong,

1178
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:02,599
are built on wrong answers, and are also morally gross.

1179
00:57:02,639 --> 00:57:05,480
But they're the only ones painting a picture most of

1180
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,280
the right. The reason the right's not actually doing a

1181
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,360
good job fighting them right now is because there's no picture.

1182
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,639
You're not saying here's where we could go, which is

1183
00:57:11,639 --> 00:57:15,159
American conservatism. They're doing European conservatism. No, no, no, we

1184
00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:19,119
need to just stay here. The reason Donald Trump's twenty

1185
00:57:19,159 --> 00:57:21,800
twenty four announcement speech that he was going to run

1186
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,679
for reelection was good was because of all of the

1187
00:57:24,719 --> 00:57:27,840
things that he said that everyone's completely forgotten since.

1188
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 3: He said we're going to go Demas, first country to

1189
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,199
go Demas, and that's painting a picture.

1190
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 2: I was the only guy to this day, I think

1191
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,039
the only guy said That was the moment that sold

1192
00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:41,239
me on his campaign. Before that, I had made a

1193
00:57:41,239 --> 00:57:44,079
fifty dollars donation to DeSantis, But once he said we're

1194
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:45,440
going to be the first country to go to Mars,

1195
00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:45,960
I was sold.

1196
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,599
Speaker 1: I was sold, yep, because of the vision.

1197
00:57:49,199 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 3: Where are we going?

1198
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,559
Speaker 2: What are we doing? And the right used to do that,

1199
00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:55,840
We're not doing that anymore. And if it doesn't even

1200
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,599
matter if there is only one if there's only one

1201
00:57:58,639 --> 00:58:02,559
party painting a pick, sure of where we go, what

1202
00:58:02,639 --> 00:58:04,760
are we solving, what are we doing? It doesn't matter.

1203
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,480
If all of the stuff around the painting, what's holding

1204
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,480
the painting up, is disgusting and it's vile and it's wrong,

1205
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,559
people are going to gravitate towards it. Right, provide the

1206
00:58:14,599 --> 00:58:15,679
picture right?

1207
00:58:16,599 --> 00:58:21,599
Speaker 1: So true. I would love to hear changing gears away

1208
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:23,599
from politics just a little bit. But I would love

1209
00:58:23,639 --> 00:58:27,440
to learn since you've gotten married, since you've had kids,

1210
00:58:27,559 --> 00:58:30,719
like how has your faith and your relationship with God

1211
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:35,480
evolved as you've kind of grown up from the young

1212
00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:46,760
buck teacher in Indiana public schools to married father of two. Yeah.

1213
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 2: One of the biggest things that I have struggled with

1214
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:56,639
since in kind of in my faith in getting older

1215
00:58:56,639 --> 00:59:01,000
and getting married, is there is a lot of stuff

1216
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:05,840
that young parents struggle with and deal with that is

1217
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,639
not really talked about or supported really in a lot

1218
00:59:09,639 --> 00:59:14,199
of today's churches, and it's it's frustrating. I remember thinking,

1219
00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:19,119
you know, like the proper division of like the groups

1220
00:59:19,159 --> 00:59:22,000
of like Christians, Like for Sunday school class. If you're

1221
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,679
gonna have like Sunday school teachers to you know, teach

1222
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,519
lessons or have Bible studies on particular topics, you would

1223
00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:30,280
have like the preschool age kids, and then you'd have

1224
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:33,239
like the elementary kids, and then your teen class, and

1225
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,280
then you would have college and career which is for

1226
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,679
young adults who aren't married, the singles, and then you

1227
00:59:37,719 --> 00:59:41,719
would have married but not elderly, and like then you

1228
00:59:41,719 --> 00:59:42,239
would have your.

1229
00:59:42,119 --> 00:59:43,199
Speaker 3: Senior saying you're elderly.

1230
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 2: I have completely changed on that because there are a

1231
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,360
lot of questions that I have, like dealing with parents

1232
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:48,920
when your parents.

1233
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 3: People don't realize a lot that generation X.

1234
00:59:53,039 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: The biggest like generational issue with X is that they

1235
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,199
just a lot of them never grew up, they didn't

1236
00:59:57,199 --> 00:59:59,400
want to grow up. And when those people try to

1237
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,599
start becoming grandparents, there are questions that I have, Like

1238
01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:04,320
it's apparent, like how do you work with things, how

1239
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,719
do you deal with things? How do you move through

1240
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:07,559
certain things?

1241
01:00:08,039 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 3: And there's kind of a gap there that I that

1242
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,639
like we haven't really done a good job in the

1243
01:00:13,639 --> 01:00:18,639
faith really incorporating young families, and like the actual why

1244
01:00:18,679 --> 01:00:22,079
you should have lots of kids that Catholics.

1245
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:26,119
Speaker 2: Do very well and everyone doesn't. And I mean you

1246
01:00:26,159 --> 01:00:26,559
can get.

1247
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 3: Into the theological issue of like, well that's because.

1248
01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:32,719
Speaker 2: Of the the praising of like birth control and family

1249
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,079
planning in Protestant circles.

1250
01:00:35,559 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 3: That's not biblical, it's.

1251
01:00:36,679 --> 01:00:41,039
Speaker 2: Just and no at all, and and and this this

1252
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:46,440
leaving there was an American dream that became really really

1253
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:51,599
materialistic for the Protestant community that we could all have

1254
01:00:51,639 --> 01:00:53,239
our little picket fence and he only have as many

1255
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:54,519
kids as we want. And again it comes from that

1256
01:00:54,599 --> 01:00:57,400
never wanting to grow up and experiencing, you know, the

1257
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,639
good old boy kind of frat atmosphere of the country

1258
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:02,239
as long as you could getting as much out of

1259
01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:05,039
it you can and that's not proper. So my faith

1260
01:01:05,079 --> 01:01:09,280
has become very way more focused on the actual American

1261
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:13,840
family rather than just being an individual actor in America itself.

1262
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,800
Like the family unit has become a huge focus of

1263
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:21,119
my faith. And the reason I often joke that I'm

1264
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:23,440
kind of like the most Catholic, the most pro Catholic

1265
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:28,039
of the Baptists out here, is that they do understand

1266
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:32,039
a lot about raising strong families that has not only

1267
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:33,719
been very very good for culture, it's been good for

1268
01:01:33,719 --> 01:01:38,079
community and also fulfilling. People just don't understand how fulfilling

1269
01:01:38,119 --> 01:01:41,079
some of this stuff is, how deeply spiritual it is

1270
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:44,800
to become one with your spouse, to actually become you

1271
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,840
are one flesh. Yep, you are the same person. How

1272
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:52,480
you become like your spouse. That is discouraged in a

1273
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:56,159
lot of American culture that you're supposed to treat your

1274
01:01:56,199 --> 01:01:59,679
spouse as, you know, the nagging wife who wants you

1275
01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:03,400
to say, and then the women who treat their husband

1276
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,400
as just the dumb idiot that the ape that I'm

1277
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:10,119
forced to live with I have really grown. I always

1278
01:02:10,119 --> 01:02:14,880
hated that the finding nemoness of culture because Marlon is

1279
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,199
painted as this stupid dad who doesn't understand its.

1280
01:02:17,039 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 3: Support and he's a big dumb idiot.

1281
01:02:19,639 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: Oh and it's everywhere in culture. I mean, the cultural

1282
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,840
messaging is completely pervasive. Like try to find a sitcom

1283
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,320
where that isn't the troupe where the dad.

1284
01:02:27,199 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 2: Isn't like him and you can even see this. There

1285
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,519
were moments in for example, family matters, in which Carl,

1286
01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:35,119
the police officer, would be the right one and his wife,

1287
01:02:35,159 --> 01:02:37,639
the strong, powerful black woman who was also a lawyer,

1288
01:02:37,679 --> 01:02:40,639
and she's out here corporating and mothering and stuff where

1289
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,559
he would be right and she would be wrong, and

1290
01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:47,320
then the really sweet, sexy, soulful saxophone music would swing

1291
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,079
in and it would be in a very endearing moment

1292
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:52,639
where she's saying, you know what, Carl, sometimes I need

1293
01:02:52,679 --> 01:02:54,400
you to and then it would you know, swell and

1294
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,039
it be wonderful and then it will run end and

1295
01:02:56,159 --> 01:02:58,159
I knew that and it'd be good. Then you got

1296
01:02:58,199 --> 01:03:01,039
into this era of American sit where everyone was Ray

1297
01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:04,920
Romano right, and Ray was yeah, Rah, and he was

1298
01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:08,800
always wrong right and he's by the way, He and

1299
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,679
Patricia Heaton have actually talked about that a little bit

1300
01:03:10,719 --> 01:03:13,599
since then. In America is coming out of that is

1301
01:03:13,679 --> 01:03:15,840
it's a very essential for the men are all and

1302
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,760
by the way, I used to tell my students this, biologically,

1303
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,280
men are always at least a little bit stupid. Women

1304
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,280
are always at least a little bit crazy. Stereotypes or

1305
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:28,119
stereotypes for a reason. Kids, But that doesn't mean that

1306
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:32,320
leaning into it and treating your one flesh, your partner,

1307
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:37,119
your best friend as the ball and chain, so to speak,

1308
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:40,280
is worth it. And if there's why millennials have been

1309
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:44,960
enamored with So what did millennials get out of UP

1310
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:50,760
Disney Pixar, Because that came out of it UP. Remember

1311
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,599
when we were in college, UP had kind of come

1312
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:56,719
out when people talked about UP in our generation as

1313
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,440
like the last of the millennials, what is it like?

1314
01:03:59,519 --> 01:04:01,679
Would most pop up from that movie? And it's not

1315
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:05,039
Doug or the little kid that bothered Carl?

1316
01:04:05,519 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, the old couple like their relationship. Is that

1317
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,360
what it was? Or Okay, yeah, that's.

1318
01:04:12,239 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 3: What everyone wanted.

1319
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 2: Yep, that's what that's what Seriously we would talk about,

1320
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,559
like I said, that's the end the dating profiles. What

1321
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:19,239
you wanted, you wanted, you wanted Carl and Ellie, you

1322
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:24,320
wanted the the Yeah you wanted the lovely life together

1323
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:29,239
that was codependent and sweet and traditional. And people like

1324
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,119
to give gen Z a lot of credit as the

1325
01:04:31,159 --> 01:04:32,239
first generation.

1326
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:32,559
Speaker 3: That's going back.

1327
01:04:32,599 --> 01:04:34,599
Speaker 2: It was the last of the millennials that watched this

1328
01:04:34,679 --> 01:04:40,880
weird dynamic of marriage that Generation X portrayed as a

1329
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,920
pendulum swing away from the Boome esque kind of that

1330
01:04:44,039 --> 01:04:45,440
seventies show.

1331
01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 3: Very harsh, you know, you know, or the Archie bunk.

1332
01:04:48,119 --> 01:04:50,599
Speaker 2: Greg come, I need it, you know, like kind of

1333
01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:55,400
man and wife, very stern, argumentative. Then we swung, we

1334
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,440
started to swing back, and I think that's that my

1335
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,840
faith has cemented that in place that our our marriage

1336
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:01,400
is much more kind of traditional in that is. But

1337
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,159
my wife used to be a teacher. Now she stays

1338
01:05:03,199 --> 01:05:05,519
at home. We were just talking about this last night.

1339
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:12,599
Actually also building a double shower so that we can

1340
01:05:12,639 --> 01:05:14,280
stand next to each other in the shower and not

1341
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,280
be cold and talk to each other. And time together

1342
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:22,079
has been wonderful. I've become obsessed with building house projects

1343
01:05:22,119 --> 01:05:26,239
for Bethany, like Hawkeye does for his family, and like

1344
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,800
the Marvel series, how like there's always a project he's

1345
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:29,400
working on.

1346
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 3: At home for his wife. Yep, yeah, I've become obsessed

1347
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:33,360
with that. I love that.

1348
01:05:33,679 --> 01:05:36,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's so much just these like a

1349
01:05:36,679 --> 01:05:41,159
little pervasive lies or like just bad, really bad teaching

1350
01:05:41,199 --> 01:05:45,480
about relationships that just seeps into even like churchy culture,

1351
01:05:45,559 --> 01:05:47,280
even if you're not hearing it from the pulpit. Like

1352
01:05:47,519 --> 01:05:49,400
I don't even remember where I heard this, but when

1353
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,760
I heard this, I remember thinking like, oh, yeah, that's

1354
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,119
so true, like before I became a wife, about how

1355
01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:57,760
somebody was complaining about how Oh I hate it when

1356
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,800
couples call their spouse my better half or whatever, because

1357
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,400
you don't cease being a whole person when you're married,

1358
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,280
Like you're not half a person. Your spouse isn't your

1359
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:06,480
better half, Like you're also just.

1360
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 2: Whole rebellion and it's like why why in classes and

1361
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,559
having those weird arguments of like why someone should or

1362
01:06:13,559 --> 01:06:16,360
shouldn't take the last name and well I'm still.

1363
01:06:17,639 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 3: And it's like, oh my gosh. Now now on the

1364
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:20,480
other side.

1365
01:06:20,239 --> 01:06:26,119
Speaker 2: Of marriage and the immaturity of that is it's distasteful.

1366
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,719
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, it's weird. I don't know it was.

1367
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:34,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm definitely think a normalization of gossiping about spouses,

1368
01:06:34,639 --> 01:06:38,239
like of you know, women talking poorly about their spouses

1369
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,519
when they get together, or men talking poorly about their wives.

1370
01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:42,199
It's just like, why are we doing this? Like we're

1371
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,599
we're a team. That's the whole point of marriage is

1372
01:06:44,639 --> 01:06:46,039
that we are one flesh. And it's just like, why

1373
01:06:46,039 --> 01:06:49,280
would you why would you undercut your own interests by

1374
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,400
talking bad about someone who's literally your own flesh. It's

1375
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:53,239
just it's just crazy.

1376
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,239
Speaker 2: Oh you how much that upsets me? And guys that

1377
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,679
I've been around, not now I unfortunately not that anybody

1378
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,559
does it perfectly like you know, yeah, yeah.

1379
01:07:04,119 --> 01:07:04,599
Speaker 3: There I mean.

1380
01:07:04,639 --> 01:07:06,239
Speaker 2: And by the way, like you know, there are things

1381
01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:08,320
that my wife and I agree not to talk about

1382
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:11,159
to our friends because there's not like some things, because

1383
01:07:11,159 --> 01:07:13,320
you do share some things about, not like in a

1384
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,559
mocking way, but even like some like more intimate and

1385
01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:18,400
embarrassing things. You know that you may have a best

1386
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,559
friend that you don't want really said to that best friend,

1387
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,880
you know, something along those lines. But I would say

1388
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:27,760
that when I moved into the DC sphere and I

1389
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,840
met a lot of the coastal elite youths who are

1390
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:31,760
around us, I've seen some of them also doing like

1391
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,400
the gospeling about spouse stuff. And I'm not trying to

1392
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:35,880
impress anyone to say this, but there have been times

1393
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:36,960
where I would be like, I don't want.

1394
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:37,119
Speaker 3: To hear that.

1395
01:07:37,639 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 2: I don't I don'tant to hear you talk about your

1396
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,480
wife like that, you've got problems, you go talk to

1397
01:07:41,519 --> 01:07:43,079
her and your pastor no.

1398
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,599
Speaker 1: Do you watch I think you should leave? Please tell

1399
01:07:46,639 --> 01:07:47,119
me you've seen it?

1400
01:07:47,239 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh I mean, oh of course, Oh yeah.

1401
01:07:49,519 --> 01:07:51,719
Speaker 1: I love my wife. I shouldn't have said that.

1402
01:07:54,199 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just thinking about wearing a hot dog suit

1403
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:58,679
and crashing into a suit store.

1404
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,239
Speaker 1: So my husband and I are currently watching The Chair Company,

1405
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:03,920
So I don't know if you've seen that yet, but

1406
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,639
you'll have to. Yeah, we're on. We watched the first

1407
01:08:06,639 --> 01:08:09,000
two episodes, I think, and so far I'm in it.

1408
01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:11,719
Speaker 2: So I'm jealous that right now you have time to

1409
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,480
watch things with your husband on it right now. I

1410
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,640
don't think that I can always tell when my wife

1411
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,640
has gotten kind of sad that we're no longer watching

1412
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,720
something together because she desists into watching like older shows

1413
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,039
that I despise, like All Come In and like Gilmore

1414
01:08:26,039 --> 01:08:29,520
Girls Will Beyond, and I want to chuck my glasses

1415
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:31,720
like that one guy on Instagram who tastes something good

1416
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,239
and he just like throws his glasses in anger. That's

1417
01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:36,960
how I feel when like Gilmore Girls is on. But no,

1418
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:39,600
I love the I miss watching still I'm jealous. You

1419
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:41,039
get to actually have time to do that. I wish

1420
01:08:41,079 --> 01:08:42,199
I had time to do that right now.

1421
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: It's kind of a nightly ritual or as often as

1422
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:46,720
we can fit it in, but it's always like half

1423
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,239
an episode of something because without fail, I fall asleep.

1424
01:08:49,319 --> 01:08:52,000
So we watch shows at ten to fifteen minute chunks.

1425
01:08:52,119 --> 01:08:53,680
So it's you know, it's not like we're getting all

1426
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,159
of this uninterrupted time to watch something because I always

1427
01:08:56,199 --> 01:08:58,720
blow it. But but we do our best. Were the

1428
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,159
elderly watching the chair I ten minutes at a time.

1429
01:09:01,079 --> 01:09:05,079
Speaker 2: Other now yeah, yeah, we're the elderly couple reading into

1430
01:09:05,119 --> 01:09:08,640
our kindle paper whites in bed next to each other.

1431
01:09:09,039 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 3: She's in the.

1432
01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 2: How I Met Your Dragon or how to Train Your Dragon,

1433
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:15,199
Oh my gosh, not How I Met your Mother, not

1434
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:18,760
how to Train Your Dragon, How to Train Your Dragon series,

1435
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:22,640
and I'm like rereading an alternate World War two history

1436
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:24,720
book because of course I am.

1437
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:30,359
Speaker 1: Yes, I've been really into audiobooks because I love to read,

1438
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:32,800
but I have this problem where I don't actually spend

1439
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:34,560
most of my days on camera. I spend most of

1440
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:38,000
my days editing, and so I read all day every day,

1441
01:09:38,039 --> 01:09:39,560
and the last thing I want to do when I'm

1442
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:41,920
done with work is close my laptop and pick up

1443
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,359
a book. And so I've been listening to lots of

1444
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:46,640
audiobooks and I've been loving it. And I've been reading

1445
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:48,760
so many more books lately because I've been listening to them.

1446
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,319
And I think some people have a hard time digesting

1447
01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:53,239
them or like getting into them, but as somebody who

1448
01:09:53,239 --> 01:09:55,399
listens to a lot of podcasts, it's super natural and

1449
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:57,279
easy for me. Like I think I get just as

1450
01:09:57,359 --> 01:10:00,159
much information listening as I do reading. And wow, I've

1451
01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:01,880
been loving that. So I'm not really a sit in

1452
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:03,640
bed and read person or I will fall asleep on

1453
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,199
page two. But audiobooks are my jam right now.

1454
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,159
Speaker 2: So I do have some audio books that I that

1455
01:10:09,239 --> 01:10:12,000
I listen to while I'm working. Here's a fun secret

1456
01:10:12,039 --> 01:10:14,079
of me, which is really, well, it's not really a

1457
01:10:14,079 --> 01:10:14,640
super secret.

1458
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:16,039
Speaker 3: I hate podcasts. I hate it.

1459
01:10:16,079 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 2: I hate I hate discasting, I hate I hate podcasts.

1460
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:23,359
I do I've never listened to a podcast outside of

1461
01:10:23,359 --> 01:10:26,039
a couple of news things that like are on my list,

1462
01:10:26,079 --> 01:10:27,800
and I would prefer to watch them or at least

1463
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,239
have them on on video. So I have a couple

1464
01:10:31,279 --> 01:10:33,199
of podcasts that I do try to watch or shows

1465
01:10:33,239 --> 01:10:35,000
that I watch every day just to make sure. Is

1466
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:39,359
I don't think I know everything I know shocker, But

1467
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:43,199
I do keep up with some other podcasts to see, Okay,

1468
01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:47,119
what are what's the more establishment to me guys talking

1469
01:10:47,159 --> 01:10:48,760
about on their show you Know What's to the ride?

1470
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 3: To me?

1471
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:52,319
Speaker 2: What's this person talking about? Those have become less accessible

1472
01:10:52,319 --> 01:10:57,520
to me in the last couple of weeks because they

1473
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,359
often write their shows the day before and we start

1474
01:11:00,359 --> 01:11:02,840
writing our show three hours before it goes live at seven,

1475
01:11:04,399 --> 01:11:06,399
and so we're ahead of them in the news cycle.

1476
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,039
So most often what we're finding now is that I'm

1477
01:11:09,039 --> 01:11:11,319
hearing news I've already heard, right, And I guess we're

1478
01:11:11,319 --> 01:11:13,960
getting better because we're covering the same stories. So that's

1479
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:14,720
a stress point.

1480
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 3: But I don't like.

1481
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 2: Podcasts in general, so I'm in a rough, weird, kind

1482
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:26,720
of a lapse spot here and I do not like them.

1483
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:28,560
Speaker 1: Or is it like a certain genre of them that

1484
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,119
you like, or I mean, do you not ever sit

1485
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:32,119
down and listen to a Rogan podcast or anything.

1486
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,279
Speaker 2: The last Rogan podcast that I listened to was when

1487
01:11:35,319 --> 01:11:36,760
he was talking with that.

1488
01:11:37,159 --> 01:11:39,279
Speaker 3: Wesley Huff guy.

1489
01:11:39,039 --> 01:11:42,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that did the debate on the.

1490
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,760
Speaker 3: Bibles or I don't know if it's actually right right.

1491
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 2: And before that, I think it was. I didn't even

1492
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:48,880
listen to all of his one with Vance. I listened

1493
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:50,399
to the one with him and Trump because I was

1494
01:11:50,399 --> 01:11:55,079
actually about two feet over there painting the ceiling or no,

1495
01:11:55,159 --> 01:11:56,800
I think I was like trying to shove insulation in

1496
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:01,319
the ceiling listening to Trump talk about real estate like

1497
01:12:01,399 --> 01:12:04,439
in a way that was very detailed and like impressive

1498
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,439
and knowledgeable, and that stuck with me.

1499
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 3: But I don't, really, I don't. I just don't, Like.

1500
01:12:11,039 --> 01:12:14,079
Speaker 2: I never wanted to do a podcast because now I'm

1501
01:12:14,079 --> 01:12:16,720
of course running two of them, and I don't.

1502
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:17,359
Speaker 3: I just don't.

1503
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,520
Speaker 2: I think they're often desisting into what this is for

1504
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:22,520
people who don't know us.

1505
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:25,159
Speaker 3: Is this us just talking? And I like that because

1506
01:12:25,239 --> 01:12:27,039
you get like, you know, you get interested enough.

1507
01:12:27,079 --> 01:12:29,520
Speaker 2: But I have a problem, And my problem is if

1508
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,640
I listen to something like this long enough, it will

1509
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:35,720
no longer be enough for me to listen to it.

1510
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:38,680
Now I want to talk to them.

1511
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:39,239
Speaker 3: I'm serious.

1512
01:12:39,279 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 2: Like, after I listened to like a year or so

1513
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,039
of the Ben Shapiro shaw I was like, all right,

1514
01:12:43,039 --> 01:12:47,039
I want to like be on a speaking basis with him.

1515
01:12:47,159 --> 01:12:49,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you feel like you know the people.

1516
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,119
Speaker 2: The Ruthless guys like the Ruthless podcast guys who listen

1517
01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:53,640
to I see are kind of more like slightly more

1518
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:54,720
establishment tee I.

1519
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,079
Speaker 3: They're not really establishment, but they're.

1520
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 2: More DC oriented maybe than I am, and more politically

1521
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:05,560
pragmatic in some ways than I am. And I also

1522
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:06,680
listened to them for a while and I was like,

1523
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:08,079
all right, I'm gonna have to meet these guys, and

1524
01:13:08,079 --> 01:13:11,720
now I have like I've done, so I just get kind.

1525
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:12,279
Speaker 3: Of bored with that.

1526
01:13:13,039 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's I don't know, I don't know

1527
01:13:17,039 --> 01:13:18,800
how to explain it. I just am not interested in

1528
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:20,840
some random guy out there that I've never heard of,

1529
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,600
leaning into the mic and doing NPR stuff, of something

1530
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:26,520
that I'm either going to be outraged over.

1531
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,520
Speaker 3: I would rather listen to an audiobook, to be honest

1532
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:28,720
with you.

1533
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I think maybe it's because I don't religiously

1534
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,560
listen to any particular podcast except for Your Wrong with

1535
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:40,920
Molly having Away and David Harsani every Wednesday, excellent podcast.

1536
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:42,399
I can never get tired of that. But also I

1537
01:13:42,399 --> 01:13:44,319
do know that personally and how that helps, you know.

1538
01:13:44,359 --> 01:13:46,319
Speaker 2: I have listened to Molly and David a little bit,

1539
01:13:46,399 --> 01:13:49,520
and I did. The last time I really leaned into

1540
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:51,239
was I was going to have David on the show,

1541
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:53,199
and I was like, I'm going to need to know

1542
01:13:53,239 --> 01:13:55,439
what you've just talked about. But also more so because

1543
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:58,239
again I'm obsessed with pattern psychology. I want to know

1544
01:13:58,279 --> 01:14:00,680
how you think about things so that I'm not awkward.

1545
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:05,279
I tried interviewing Jeb Bush once and on a podcast

1546
01:14:05,279 --> 01:14:08,479
that no longer exists, for Chalkboard Review, and I didn't

1547
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:09,720
know at all how he was going to be in

1548
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:13,039
real life, like talking to him, and so he answers

1549
01:14:13,039 --> 01:14:14,399
to the call and he's in a tank top on

1550
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,159
his balcony like next to the beach, and I'm like,

1551
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,880
I didn't prepare for this. So I still do that occasionally.

1552
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:22,359
Speaker 4: I don't.

1553
01:14:23,119 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, my show is more broadcast oriented. I prefer

1554
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:27,680
radio and TV more.

1555
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yeah, I think I bounce around enough that

1556
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,960
I don't ever feel too connected to anybody, or I don't.

1557
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:38,000
I don't really know. Like I'll listen to one day,

1558
01:14:38,039 --> 01:14:40,199
I'll listen to Molly and David are like a different

1559
01:14:40,199 --> 01:14:42,239
political podcast. The next day, I'll listen to somebody that

1560
01:14:42,279 --> 01:14:43,960
I like agree with on some politics but not on

1561
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,239
the rest because I really want to know how they're

1562
01:14:45,239 --> 01:14:47,079
framing an issue. The next day, I'm listening to a

1563
01:14:47,079 --> 01:14:49,279
true crime series, and then I'm listening to like Elisa

1564
01:14:49,359 --> 01:14:51,840
Schilders apologetics. You know, it's just like I bounce around

1565
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:54,439
because I just like the diversity of like brain food,

1566
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,520
but it's passive, you know, like I can be and

1567
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,920
like passively like exercise.

1568
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:00,399
Speaker 3: You know.

1569
01:15:00,399 --> 01:15:02,920
Speaker 2: My brain shows that I listen to that are like

1570
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:04,920
that are podcasts, And during the day, I have, you know,

1571
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,239
eleven AM hits, and I listened to two or three

1572
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,640
while I'm doing other stuff. And that's also probably the

1573
01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:15,359
biggest issue is that I have aggressive ADHD, which any

1574
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:17,800
who do can tell because I have now moved my

1575
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:19,720
glasses on and off my face, which of course, by

1576
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:22,560
the way, has become a staple just as a friend

1577
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,319
me taking my glasses off has become a staple of

1578
01:15:25,359 --> 01:15:28,319
things that people notice for the show. And so if

1579
01:15:28,359 --> 01:15:30,760
I'm ever really frustrated about something and I'm like sorring

1580
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:32,640
and I take my glasses off, everyone in the chat

1581
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:36,000
will start going glasses off as though, like I'm getting

1582
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,079
really serious and I'm going to talk, you know whatever.

1583
01:15:39,079 --> 01:15:44,319
Speaker 1: Sorry, hilarious, Which that's a that's a great reminder, Tony.

1584
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,560
If you didn't know that Tony was taking his glasses off,

1585
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,119
that's just because you are only listening to the podcast

1586
01:15:49,279 --> 01:15:52,680
when you could be watching this on the Federalist, Rumble

1587
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,079
or the Kylie Cast on YouTube. So if you're just

1588
01:15:55,119 --> 01:15:57,880
listening next time, definitely go check out the full video

1589
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,399
version on Rumble or YouTube or.

1590
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:03,640
Speaker 2: The Daily Signals YouTube because we're going to use that

1591
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,520
collaborationy airing it to my So, I guess I'm here

1592
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:07,479
explaining my audience.

1593
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 3: My audience is probably listening to this if they've.

1594
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,600
Speaker 2: Made it this far into listening to me ramble like

1595
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:13,600
a goofy child.

1596
01:16:15,079 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've gone on a while, Sorry about that. I

1597
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:18,199
told you an hour. Here we are on an hour

1598
01:16:18,239 --> 01:16:18,720
and fifteen.

1599
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 2: Just still it doesn't I'm serious. My kids are asleep.

1600
01:16:22,399 --> 01:16:24,319
My wife just texted me a picture of them. They

1601
01:16:24,319 --> 01:16:29,159
look adorable, and my producer in studio producer is gone

1602
01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:32,920
doing something and so I mean, it's just a chill Saturday.

1603
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 3: I've had like the longest week.

1604
01:16:35,399 --> 01:16:38,359
Speaker 2: Whatever you need, love it as you're thought, Okay, listen

1605
01:16:38,399 --> 01:16:42,159
to things because I enjoyed doing the thing. Yeah, since

1606
01:16:42,199 --> 01:16:45,199
becoming a national correspondent, hopping in front of media. Now

1607
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:49,079
that I'm doing the that, I'm forced to listen to

1608
01:16:49,119 --> 01:16:51,239
the a segment of so many shows. I don't really

1609
01:16:51,279 --> 01:16:52,479
watch any TV shows.

1610
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, so sorry.

1611
01:16:54,039 --> 01:16:56,520
Speaker 3: I didn't mean to double dip and go forward.

1612
01:16:56,199 --> 01:16:58,640
Speaker 1: On that, but no, no, I love it and that's yeah,

1613
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,640
that's so true. And I just have fun, like as

1614
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,760
much as I do love podcasts and sometimes watching segments,

1615
01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:05,720
I've just found I'm like, Okay, if I'm going to

1616
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,720
invest this much time in listening to things, I should

1617
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:09,600
just listen to more books because then I could actually

1618
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:11,920
get through more things. So I'm trying to focus some

1619
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:16,880
of my podcast time into books because like I listened

1620
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:21,600
to Mere Christianity and by C. S. Lewis, and I

1621
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,399
did that in two chunks of a drive, like it's

1622
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:27,239
a six hour book. I listened to everything on about

1623
01:17:27,279 --> 01:17:29,560
two time speed, and I got it done, you know,

1624
01:17:30,039 --> 01:17:31,520
like that it would have taken me a while to

1625
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:33,880
actually sit down in multiple chunks to like pick that

1626
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:34,479
up and read it.

1627
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,039
Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna be really pretentious here. It's like

1628
01:17:37,079 --> 01:17:40,000
the music aspect of it that bothers me for listening

1629
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:42,720
at things at two time speed, because the way the

1630
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:45,399
audio works when it's compressed, it doesn't sound as though

1631
01:17:45,399 --> 01:17:47,800
you actually had benship here reading at this time speed

1632
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:49,279
all right here back with brush calder.

1633
01:17:49,079 --> 01:17:51,319
Speaker 3: And like you don't actually get that out of them.

1634
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:55,159
Speaker 2: What you get instead is a really quick the audio

1635
01:17:55,159 --> 01:17:57,439
doesn't sound right, and to my brain it like freaks

1636
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:00,760
it out as much as it did as you know,

1637
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,319
when a song was played in the wrong key, and

1638
01:18:03,359 --> 01:18:06,439
that used to really really bother me. That that kind

1639
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:08,479
of thing always prevents me from listening to things faster.

1640
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:10,720
That's how my producer edits clips, by the way, and

1641
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:12,760
edits the top news and ten that we do in

1642
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,039
the mornings. He'll sit there and if I'm in the

1643
01:18:15,039 --> 01:18:16,159
same room, it drives me nuts.

1644
01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:18,279
Speaker 3: He's listening to me. Hey, that's a problem. I hate

1645
01:18:18,319 --> 01:18:24,039
listening to me. Number two, not you to me so fast? Yep,

1646
01:18:24,119 --> 01:18:24,800
it's so fast.

1647
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:26,680
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so glad I'm not the biggest blessing And

1648
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,279
I can't wait until you eventually do have someone editing

1649
01:18:29,319 --> 01:18:32,960
your stuff. You will be a happier person because I'm

1650
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,119
a perfectionist. When I used to record things myself, it

1651
01:18:35,119 --> 01:18:36,319
would take three times as long.

1652
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:38,239
Speaker 3: Oh myus, I'm sitting there going I didn't say that,

1653
01:18:38,319 --> 01:18:40,319
right back up. I didn't say that, right back up.

1654
01:18:41,039 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 1: Ugh, you really have to let go of so much

1655
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:44,600
of it because it's such a time suck and it's

1656
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,479
so bad for you. But yeah, I hate relistening to

1657
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:51,319
myself anyway. Yeah, the listening to things fast doesn't bother me.

1658
01:18:51,359 --> 01:18:53,800
Maybe it's just because I've completely screwed up and rewired

1659
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,000
my brain where that's how I listen to everything. So

1660
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:58,159
that's probably also why I'm a bit of a fast

1661
01:18:58,159 --> 01:19:00,359
talker at times, because that's how it intakestf So then

1662
01:19:00,399 --> 01:19:02,439
I just also spit it out in that rapid fire,

1663
01:19:03,239 --> 01:19:05,319
not normal, not human way of talking.

1664
01:19:05,399 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 2: But someone actually made the Gilmore Girls comparison to my

1665
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:13,000
show actually last night's episode, and I've and my wife

1666
01:19:13,119 --> 01:19:17,560
cackled like like the Wicked of the West cackled because

1667
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:19,359
she knows how much I hate Gilmore Girls, which is

1668
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,319
by the way, for having audit or having dialogue that

1669
01:19:22,399 --> 01:19:25,640
is so dense that people would watch the same episode

1670
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:26,239
over again.

1671
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 3: Gilmore Girl, fun fact, is the.

1672
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:33,079
Speaker 2: Most t t vode sitcom in history. Really yeah, like people,

1673
01:19:33,079 --> 01:19:34,960
because people go back and watch it and get something

1674
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,680
somebody else out of the dialogue because that's how packed

1675
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:41,520
they made it. And my show apparently now I'm trying

1676
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:44,319
to stuff so much into the hour that the broadcast

1677
01:19:44,319 --> 01:19:47,000
show is fit in that. First of all, it's now

1678
01:19:47,039 --> 01:19:49,279
stretching the bonus portion of the show, which used to

1679
01:19:49,279 --> 01:19:53,199
be five minutes and they called it bonus Tonus. Again,

1680
01:19:53,199 --> 01:19:54,720
you're one of the only people who knows kind of

1681
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:59,359
that nickname's evolution. And then it's now that's now half

1682
01:19:59,399 --> 01:20:01,840
an hour or more because there's just so much and

1683
01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:06,960
I'm also compressing so much snarky banter and like the

1684
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:10,079
receipts into one thing that they're Gilmore Girls in mes

1685
01:20:10,119 --> 01:20:11,479
that's awful.

1686
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:15,279
Speaker 1: So it's not hilarious, you that is hilarious. I am

1687
01:20:15,399 --> 01:20:17,399
not one of those girls who's obsessed with Gilmore Girls.

1688
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:18,960
I've never been able to really get into it.

1689
01:20:19,119 --> 01:20:21,760
Speaker 3: So that's garbage. Yeah, you're you're not wrong.

1690
01:20:23,079 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 1: Okay, you brought up the music things being in the

1691
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:29,000
wrong key before I wrap this up? Do you still

1692
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,920
do theater and music? Those are two of the collegiate

1693
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:34,600
activities We were involved in together a traveling choir, and

1694
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,439
we were in a production of Sherlock Holmes together. Do

1695
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:39,359
you still do either of those things in your free time?

1696
01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:43,039
Speaker 3: Or so? Were you in the Christmas Carol with us

1697
01:20:43,039 --> 01:20:43,439
as well?

1698
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:44,039
Speaker 1: I was not.

1699
01:20:44,359 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 3: No.

1700
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:46,680
Speaker 1: I did much of a much ado about nothing after

1701
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:47,439
you left.

1702
01:20:47,239 --> 01:20:49,520
Speaker 2: But oh no, by the way, I've thought about that

1703
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:53,279
much ado about nothing is a wild play for a

1704
01:20:53,359 --> 01:20:57,319
Christian university to do, because the word nothing in Shakespeare's

1705
01:20:57,319 --> 01:21:00,760
time was an offhand like a A nothing was a

1706
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:02,600
euphemism for like a sexual affair.

1707
01:21:03,359 --> 01:21:04,520
Speaker 3: So essentially much to do.

1708
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:08,119
Speaker 2: About nothing is a Shakespearean way to say a lot

1709
01:21:08,119 --> 01:21:15,399
of gossip about a like a an affair. Wild, incredible wild, Yeah, yeah, blow.

1710
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,720
We broke a lot of rules, so just and that's

1711
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:20,119
just a little tid, but no one was asking for

1712
01:21:20,279 --> 01:21:25,439
there you go. Anyway, to answer your question, I don't

1713
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:26,600
really do a lot of acting.

1714
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:28,680
Speaker 3: I got into voice acting more when I got out

1715
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:30,319
of college. Because it was an easy way to make

1716
01:21:30,359 --> 01:21:31,279
a couple of bucks.

1717
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:35,279
Speaker 2: And that's still I've done some voiceovers for some people

1718
01:21:35,399 --> 01:21:39,319
on like show intros and things. I don't really do

1719
01:21:39,399 --> 01:21:41,960
as much actual voice acting anymore because I have enough

1720
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,359
of it with this. I do a lot of impressions

1721
01:21:44,399 --> 01:21:47,159
on the show that some people think are very good.

1722
01:21:47,239 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 3: They're like my my.

1723
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:50,039
Speaker 2: Buddy son, those out there talking about all of the

1724
01:21:50,079 --> 01:21:51,119
things that the building.

1725
01:21:51,199 --> 01:21:51,640
Speaker 3: That they like.

1726
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:56,199
Speaker 2: That one my trump is getting better. So that's how

1727
01:21:56,199 --> 01:21:58,239
that the theater kind of still comes in if at all.

1728
01:21:58,840 --> 01:21:59,399
Speaker 3: Uh.

1729
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 2: And then on a different note, the music. So I

1730
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,560
have done some church music still occasionally like sing a

1731
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:11,199
special or play I have there's one episode of the

1732
01:22:11,199 --> 01:22:13,359
Tony Kinnetcast that was essentially a musical, So I have

1733
01:22:13,399 --> 01:22:17,000
a keyboard over off set that I've plugged in before

1734
01:22:17,159 --> 01:22:21,640
and just for a gimmick. And then I've occasionally duetted

1735
01:22:23,319 --> 01:22:25,600
a couple of people online, like friends of ours like

1736
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:30,359
Michael Knowles did a ukulele video of wagon Wheel and

1737
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:32,800
so I just pulled out the piano and then did

1738
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:33,800
that and made it real.

1739
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 3: It got a lot of hits.

1740
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 2: I wish I did more. I don't know these days.

1741
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,039
I just don't get too as much anymore. I miss it,

1742
01:22:40,119 --> 01:22:40,399
do you.

1743
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:41,079
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1744
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:45,560
Speaker 1: I wish I could do more theater, but I don't anymore.

1745
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:47,359
And part of that is that I live in a

1746
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:51,079
very blue area where theater is like about as well

1747
01:22:51,199 --> 01:22:52,800
as you can get, and so even doing like a

1748
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:55,640
community theater thing, I just am not ready to dive

1749
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:56,920
into that culture.

1750
01:22:59,359 --> 01:22:59,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1751
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:03,319
Speaker 1: I don't want people to know much about me, so

1752
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:05,800
you know, I don't want to get into the local

1753
01:23:06,159 --> 01:23:10,840
theater scene. I would love to direct plays. I did

1754
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,119
a bit of that in college, directing twelve Angry Men

1755
01:23:13,119 --> 01:23:15,720
and twelve Angry women or assistant directing was so fun

1756
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:17,800
and I actually loved that side of it, and so

1757
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:19,600
I would love to do that. You know, maybe once

1758
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:21,800
I have kids and they're grown in plays, I'll be

1759
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,079
able to do more directing. I think that's much more

1760
01:23:24,119 --> 01:23:26,479
where my skill. I shouldn't say where my skills and

1761
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:29,319
interests lie because I love acting, But yeah, I haven't

1762
01:23:29,319 --> 01:23:31,159
done much of it.

1763
01:23:31,399 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 2: What No, I just I'm agreeing with you. I really

1764
01:23:34,119 --> 01:23:37,439
really do miss the acting side of things. It comes

1765
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:40,399
through a lot in show design and writing and writing reels.

1766
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:43,159
If I did some kind of some like sketches during

1767
01:23:43,199 --> 01:23:45,359
the twenty four campaign that were a lot of fun,

1768
01:23:45,399 --> 01:23:47,039
and once you get into it, you're like, ooh, that

1769
01:23:47,239 --> 01:23:48,760
was really really fun.

1770
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 3: We'd actually joked.

1771
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:55,039
Speaker 2: About introducing the show differently every night for like a

1772
01:23:55,119 --> 01:23:57,640
month where we mimicked and I mean like went all

1773
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:03,079
out mimicking another major conservative or center like podcaster or

1774
01:24:03,119 --> 01:24:06,079
show host, and I mean like going all in, all

1775
01:24:06,119 --> 01:24:10,640
in and like exacerbating everything. And I think idea faded out.

1776
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:12,840
I really, I don't know, I miss it. I think

1777
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:16,640
I did write a play, okay, and then it promptly

1778
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:18,159
started gathering.

1779
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,640
Speaker 3: Dust on the shelf as it does.

1780
01:24:21,279 --> 01:24:23,680
Speaker 2: So they are you said, directing, And that's what starts

1781
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,760
my internal rabbit trail cyclic.

1782
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, music, I mean nothing really more than congregational music.

1783
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,479
I don't I don't. I mean I sing in the shower,

1784
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:35,279
I sing around my house. I don't do any organized

1785
01:24:35,319 --> 01:24:38,680
other music. Maybe in the future, but because I really

1786
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,159
do love it. But yeah, just not a way that

1787
01:24:41,159 --> 01:24:42,239
I'm really using that right now.

1788
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember this.

1789
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 2: When I was in college, I made a mashup of

1790
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:48,800
a couple of songs that I think I showed you

1791
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,439
when you're like my seat partner on tour as a

1792
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:56,800
mashup of Uptown Funk and Stevie Wonders. Very superstitious. I

1793
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:58,239
had like I was doing like a lot of mash

1794
01:24:58,319 --> 01:25:00,880
up stuff mixing there on the tour bus.

1795
01:25:01,039 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 3: I've made a couple of those since.

1796
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,439
Speaker 2: Okay, while I was teaching, Like, I did get into

1797
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:08,600
that for a little bit, And now that turns into

1798
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:11,720
editing bumper tracks like the intro because RADI, you're supposed

1799
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:13,520
to come in and announce the show and what station

1800
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:18,199
it's on. That's like the guideline. Oh man, I actually

1801
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:20,600
just realized I'm supposed to sing a special in church

1802
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:23,279
tomorrow morning. I haven't been on the I have't been

1803
01:25:23,319 --> 01:25:25,359
on the schedule in months. This is how I'm reminded.

1804
01:25:25,399 --> 01:25:26,680
I need to figure out what I'm going to sing

1805
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:27,520
and play.

1806
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 1: Oh that's hilarious, hilarious. Yeah, I do have a mind

1807
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,319
for the mixing. That's how my brain works. I'll often

1808
01:25:33,359 --> 01:25:36,000
be listening to a song with my husband or something,

1809
01:25:36,039 --> 01:25:38,079
and he laughs at me because I'll be like, oh,

1810
01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:40,079
this sounds exactly like the bassline and such and such,

1811
01:25:40,079 --> 01:25:42,000
and I'll just like start singing the other song while

1812
01:25:42,039 --> 01:25:44,560
the other song is playing, So I do a lot

1813
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:46,119
of that in my mind, but no, I don't.

1814
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:50,119
Speaker 3: Actually like to work it outshing. Oh anyway, I do have.

1815
01:25:50,079 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 2: A lot of mashups and remixes that I prefer one

1816
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,039
that I love. Right now, there's the Will Smiths get

1817
01:25:56,079 --> 01:25:58,840
jiggy with its okay as the vocal stems. And then

1818
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:03,600
the audio is this Italian disco song from like the eighties.

1819
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:07,880
It's a fantastic oh cool, one of the tw Taylor

1820
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:11,039
Swift songs and backstreets back all right, as the background

1821
01:26:11,119 --> 01:26:12,359
music track of it is.

1822
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:15,279
Speaker 3: Apparently it's so good that Taylor Swift and A referenced it.

1823
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:19,359
Really Yeah, yeah, I love mash ups and mixes. Yeah,

1824
01:26:19,359 --> 01:26:22,359
and no one asked, no one cares about. But it's here.

1825
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 1: It's great. Okay, we've been talking so long that my

1826
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:30,079
laptop is actually it's fading. The battery is fading, so

1827
01:26:30,119 --> 01:26:37,359
before we grab, it's fading fast. This is a real problem.

1828
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:39,319
Let's see. Before I let you go, I want to

1829
01:26:39,319 --> 01:26:41,760
just ask you a couple of rapid fire questions are

1830
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:45,279
quick answers. Okay, what is this is so broad? I

1831
01:26:45,279 --> 01:26:46,800
really should have narrowed it down. What is one thing

1832
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:48,960
you can't live without a MacBook charger.

1833
01:26:51,039 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 3: That was no, no, no, no, yeah, that was mean.

1834
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:58,560
Speaker 2: One thing that I can't live without I I.

1835
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:03,319
Speaker 1: Oh, I have a gadget or something like mycro computer.

1836
01:27:03,039 --> 01:27:05,680
Speaker 3: Over here that I have had since college that I

1837
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:08,760
built in We called it Charles, and I have now

1838
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:10,880
replaced every part of it four or five times. A

1839
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:12,600
real ship of theseus kind of situation.

1840
01:27:13,319 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if I could live without it because

1841
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:17,039
all of the stuff that I edit with is part

1842
01:27:17,039 --> 01:27:17,279
of it.

1843
01:27:17,359 --> 01:27:19,640
Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe my piano. We got a baby

1844
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:20,319
grand I love it.

1845
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 1: Oh awesome, love that I would love to do that. Well,

1846
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:27,000
maybe the answer to this is nothing based on our conversation.

1847
01:27:27,039 --> 01:27:28,199
But what are you watching right now?

1848
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:32,399
Speaker 2: Trying very We're having movie nights right now, and I'm

1849
01:27:32,399 --> 01:27:35,680
introducing my wife and my brother in law to my

1850
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:41,640
favorite modern trilogy of things, which is The Ocean's eleven,

1851
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:43,199
twelve and thirteen trilogy.

1852
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:46,239
Speaker 3: Okay, so up tonight. Actually they watched.

1853
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 2: Oceans eleven and liked it a lot more than when

1854
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,880
my wife complained about it last time and wasn't watching it.

1855
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,319
Probably fall asleep like you do when you watch things.

1856
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:55,640
But Ocean's twelve is tonight, so that's.

1857
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:58,600
Speaker 1: Okay, not that very fun. Yeah, those are good. I

1858
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:00,920
like those. I also just watched them Impossibles for the

1859
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:04,079
first time. And I also loved the Daniel Craig James Bonds.

1860
01:28:04,119 --> 01:28:06,640
My my husband has been like, watch those movies.

1861
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:09,600
Speaker 3: I loved them. Pierce Brosnan is by far the best

1862
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:10,600
Bond other than Connery.

1863
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:11,520
Speaker 1: Okay, here's the thing.

1864
01:28:12,119 --> 01:28:13,199
Speaker 3: Ones are so good.

1865
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:15,079
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll have to go back and watch the Pierce

1866
01:28:15,119 --> 01:28:18,039
Broson ones. I watched the Pierce Brosnan as Remington Steele

1867
01:28:18,359 --> 01:28:20,960
like that TV show, and enjoyed it. I mean it's

1868
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:22,359
like an eighties is such.

1869
01:28:22,199 --> 01:28:26,279
Speaker 3: A phenomenal actor. Yeah, underrated, underrated, He's great.

1870
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:28,319
Speaker 1: I'll have to go back and watch those James Bonds

1871
01:28:28,319 --> 01:28:31,439
because I'm not comparing Daniel Craig to a different James Bond.

1872
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:32,880
I'm just saying I love those movies.

1873
01:28:33,159 --> 01:28:34,079
Speaker 3: And here's at take.

1874
01:28:34,199 --> 01:28:37,560
Speaker 2: Ghost Protocol is the best mission impossible movie of the

1875
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:38,399
of all of them.

1876
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:40,279
Speaker 1: Okay, which one is that? Because I don't one.

1877
01:28:40,119 --> 01:28:42,199
Speaker 2: Where he's in Dubai and where they dress up as

1878
01:28:42,239 --> 01:28:45,560
the Russian general and like they have to do everything

1879
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on their own and get the nuclear codes.

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Speaker 3: I like that one. I thought that the effects peaked

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in that one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I thoroughly enjoyed them all. I

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just thought they were great. Okay, what are you reading

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right now?

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Speaker 2: So I'm reading two things right now because of course,

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so the first thing I'm reading in my little kindle

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over there is also on my bookshelf, because of course

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it is. I'm gonna slide over. It's the dust cover

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for the book. Please don't ask why. It's Harry Turtle

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Dove's The Grapple. So there's an alternate history series that

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he wrote called the Southern Victory Series, in which if

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Lee would not have lost this packet that contained all

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of his plants, that's actually how he got stopped running

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up into the North. Would it have been enough to

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force France and England to force a settlement temporary like

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just enough? And then there's like a bunch of other

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stuff because of course the South actually wouldn't have won.

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But that's what I'm reading right now because his historical

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stuff is really interesting.

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Speaker 3: I find that need as a novel.

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Speaker 2: And then in the book side of things, I am

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currently reading Blowback, which is a book diving into the

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Oklahoma City bombing and some of the weird cover up,

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because that should have been a very clear that in

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the USS coal should have essentially prepared us for nine

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to eleven, and Bill Clinton screwed the Pooch's administration. Bill

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Clinton not bearing the responsibility for nine to eleven will

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not fascinate, will never not fascinate me.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, cool, Okay, this is an either or question.

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Guilty pleasure something you watch or food.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh, my guilty pleasure for food when it's not

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steak and having a local farm sponsor our show is

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one of the best things ever. Exchanging ad time for

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a freezer full of meat has changed my life.

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Speaker 3: I understand corruption and bribery now, I get it. I do.

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Speaker 2: I'm mostly joking no on the guilty pleasure thing. Every

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once in a while, I get a guilty pleasure to

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either eat biscuits and gravy with bacon and a doctor pepper,

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as I did in college, which was.

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Speaker 3: A thing back when we had bacon.

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Speaker 2: And then I like reading occasionally the teenage Apocalypse novels. Okay,

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like the Hunger Games Divergence series that I haven't really

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indulged in this one for a very long time.

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Speaker 3: You know that that.

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Speaker 2: Uh, there's an older series that's now a movie called

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by Scott Westerfield called The Uglies.

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Speaker 1: Okay, oh yeah, I've heard of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that's like a guilty pleasure from way way back.

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Speaker 3: But I haven't indulged in that one a while. That

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used to be my answer to that question.

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Speaker 1: Okay, last question. One thing you wish people knew about Indiana.

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Speaker 3: Let's see one. Normally, what I would say is that

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it's the most underrated state in the Union. When I

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when you start a radio show.

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Speaker 2: You're supposed to spend the first episode talking about why

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you were doing this. Maybe you did that the first

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time you launched this this this show.

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Speaker 3: I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I I went on about how Indiana is underrated for

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a number of reasons. I will choose one of those

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for you. That's just nerdy. Indiana limestone that comes from

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the southern part of the state is in more US

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government buildings than any other kind of material as like

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a base building, like so like not metal and nails.

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But I mean we're talking about brick. If we're talking

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like a certain kind of brick or a certain kind

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of stonework, Indiana limestone is in everything in DC, all

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kinds of places, and I think that's really cool.

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Speaker 1: It's fascinated.

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Speaker 3: It's like it's in the Wisconsin capital for instance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah cool, which we have a beautiful capital here. It's gorgeous. Yeah,

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we love it. Awesome, Tony. It has been truly a

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pleasure to reconnect with you and to have you on

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the Kylie Cast. What a fun time. Thanks so much

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for coming on today.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: And we'll have you on the Tony Kinnett Cast so

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we'll get everyone confused in the acronyms.

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Speaker 1: That would be so fun. I didn't realize until after

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I named my show that your show is basically named

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the same thing with your name. So we'll just keep

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going back and forth on each other's shows. That sounds great.

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Speaker 3: I work for the Daily Signal and there's like thirty dailies.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, Tony, great to see you. Thanks again.

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I hope you have you back again very soon.

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Speaker 3: Take care.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for tuning into this week's episode

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of The Kylie Cast. Once again, please like and subscribe

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wherever you get your podcasts. Go check out the brand

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new channel for the Kylie Cast on Spotify and Apple podcasts.

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I will be right back here next week with more

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so until then, just remember the truth hurts, but it

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won't kill you.