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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the nonprofits, and today we're going to do

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<v Speaker 1>something a little bit different. We're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>something fun. At the beginning, when satire clashes a reality,

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<v Speaker 1>hilarity ensues. The Onion, King of Sarcasms, spends a bold

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<v Speaker 1>narrative over now owning Alex Jones by literally owning info Wars. Meanwhile, Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>the unintentional performance artist of conspiracy Land, is reportedly scrambling

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<v Speaker 1>to keep the parody from becoming his personal reality. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a metajoke for the ages, the grand overlord of fake

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<v Speaker 1>news out faked by professional satirists. As Joan rants about

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<v Speaker 1>the deep State satire ops, one can't help but marvel

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<v Speaker 1>at the absurd symmetry of it all. Satire, it seems,

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<v Speaker 1>might just be the most effective truth serum. These articles

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<v Speaker 1>are from The Onion by Bryce P. Tettergard the CEO,

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<v Speaker 1>on November fourteen, twenty twenty four, and The New Republic

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<v Speaker 1>by Ellie Quinlan hultailing on November eighteenth, twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to admit I had quite a laugh when

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<v Speaker 1>I first saw this, in spite of the seriousness of

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<v Speaker 1>the story. But Stephen going to you, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>think this Downfall. Alex Jones's downfall reflects on the consequences

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<v Speaker 1>of building an empire field on outrage and divisiveness.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to love the irony of Jones who has

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<v Speaker 2>spent so very much time and energy into sowing vitriol

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<v Speaker 2>to support and empower a certain demographic of people, and

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<v Speaker 2>those people have reaped the benefit of this toxic miasm

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<v Speaker 2>that he's been creating and spreading, and now, in his

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<v Speaker 2>hour of need, when he really could use the backing

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<v Speaker 2>of some of these wealthy people, they leave him out

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<v Speaker 2>to dry. I think that that is just a beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>turn of the coat that the people who have benefited

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<v Speaker 2>the most from info Wars, outside of Jones himself, want

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with keeping him and his voice is active.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is this could have happened to a

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<v Speaker 2>worst individual, and I'm very happy to hear that things

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<v Speaker 2>are not going as he pleased.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I have to completely agree, because he just

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely was the turd in the punch bowl for I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how long. And it's good to see though

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<v Speaker 1>that the people around them they're no better than him,

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<v Speaker 1>because they're ready to dump him just as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>they get a chance. A j switching over to you,

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<v Speaker 1>I know that he had certain products that definitely reflected

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<v Speaker 1>onto his branding and audience of info Wars. What kind

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<v Speaker 1>of what did you have to say about that?

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<v Speaker 3>He actually knows, you know, Alex Joan was under the

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<v Speaker 3>impression that the good guys on the right were going

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<v Speaker 3>to be buying info Wars after he was forced to

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<v Speaker 3>put it up for auction, and apparently some of his

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<v Speaker 3>supporters showed interest in the purchase, but none of them

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<v Speaker 3>work out, and the only mirror was the company that

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<v Speaker 3>runs the onion. So what did he do? He decided

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<v Speaker 3>to take mothers into his own hands by having one

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<v Speaker 3>of his other companies make a bit unsuccessfully of course.

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<v Speaker 3>And this company, as you mentioned, has some products, and

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<v Speaker 3>the company is called First United American Companies, which is

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<v Speaker 3>ironically abbreiated fuck fan Prohounds and that correctly sounds like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So they what they do is they sell dietary supplements,

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<v Speaker 3>and some of these supplements that they sell are really interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>One of them is called info Wars Life Brainforce Plus.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know exactly what that does, like, does that

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<v Speaker 3>puts some kind of conspiracy theories into your brain? And

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<v Speaker 3>the other one is the best one. Okay, it's pretty epic,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's called Info Wars Life, Super Male Vitality. So

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<v Speaker 3>if any of you guys here in the panel need

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<v Speaker 3>to get your daily those of toxic masculinity, just go

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<v Speaker 3>ahead and find Alex Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I would definitely hope that that would be a

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<v Speaker 1>good example of anyone that's getting this product probably doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to worry about getting laid that. Just go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and takes that off your show. Because after all, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess since you mentioned the name of this company being

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<v Speaker 1>abbreviated to fuck, I guess that makes Alex Jones fuck.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh So, Scott, Okay, now go ahead. I was just

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<v Speaker 4>gonna say I need to recover from that pun there,

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<v Speaker 4>but you can go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. How do you think this story high likes the

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<v Speaker 1>parallels between Info Wars and the Onion as competitors.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, I mean that's the thing, that's the that's

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<v Speaker 4>the ironic thing here. First of all, I really love

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<v Speaker 4>this story. It made me smile. I mean, we're kind

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<v Speaker 4>of in dark times right now, and it feels really

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<v Speaker 4>good to smile. And I do have to admit a

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<v Speaker 4>not small amount of schadenfreud to hear and so I

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<v Speaker 4>indulged myself and let myself.

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<v Speaker 5>Have a little giggle about that.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's especially funny when you realize that they are,

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<v Speaker 4>in fact, they were at least competitors in some ways

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<v Speaker 4>intentional but in some ways unintentional all of the stuff

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<v Speaker 4>that was coming out of Info Wars. You know, he

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<v Speaker 4>did eventually admit that it was an entertainment site, right,

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<v Speaker 4>that he wasn't intending to present news items, and be

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<v Speaker 4>he didn't want to be held to any kind of

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<v Speaker 4>standard of truth, I would imagine, so he kind of

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<v Speaker 4>had to play this role of being competitors. And then

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<v Speaker 4>now they end up just say, okay, well we'll just

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<v Speaker 4>we'll take that, we'll buy that off of you, and

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<v Speaker 4>now you'll be gone and go on your merry way,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you know, then we'll we'll have a bigger

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<v Speaker 4>market share. I suppose I loved the irony. I love

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<v Speaker 4>the irony. And it's just like a layered threat that's

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<v Speaker 4>an onion joke. There a layered treat that just keeps

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<v Speaker 4>on giving, keeps on giving. It's a meta irony, and

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<v Speaker 4>that's my favorite kind of irony. It's irony about irony

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<v Speaker 4>and so well played kudos to the Onion nice job there.

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<v Speaker 1>I had initially read that when the CEO found out

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<v Speaker 1>that the company was going to be available, he was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much on the viewpoint of this is too good

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<v Speaker 1>to pass up. There's this is this is a story

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<v Speaker 1>in itself that just buying it creates all on its own,

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<v Speaker 1>And I agree, But there is a more serious side

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<v Speaker 1>to this. And Stephen going over to you, how does

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<v Speaker 1>the financial outcome impact of the Sandy Hook families as

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<v Speaker 1>a symbolic justice, even if it's incomplete. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that they see a certain level of justice and the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that not only did they bankrupt him, but that

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<v Speaker 1>some something that he would want to put as the

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<v Speaker 1>boogeyman under the bed is actually becoming his reality.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, like that's it's like, yeah, the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>the Sandy Hook victims were instrumental in making this deal happen.

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<v Speaker 2>For anyone who's not up on all the details. There

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<v Speaker 2>there were two bids for the company. One was by

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<v Speaker 2>the Onions Company and the other one was by Alex

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<v Speaker 2>Jones's other company. Alex Jones's other Company's bid was higher,

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<v Speaker 2>but the fact that the Sandy Hook families, a portion

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<v Speaker 2>of them, were supporting the Onion and said that if

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<v Speaker 2>the Onions deal goes through, then we will relinquish any

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<v Speaker 2>what's coming to us of Jones's lawsuit woes skyrocketed the

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<v Speaker 2>value of the bid, even if it wasn't necessarily in

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<v Speaker 2>the form of cold hard cash, that would have gone

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<v Speaker 2>to a bunch of other companies before Sandy Hook parents

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<v Speaker 2>would have gotten it. I think the fact that that, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's unfortunate that those Sandy Hook parents wouldn't get

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<v Speaker 2>what the court has deemed do them. But one like

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<v Speaker 2>what there is no price that you can pay in

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<v Speaker 2>order to compensate for the loss of your children, and

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<v Speaker 2>then to have wall wars like this like Alex Jones

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<v Speaker 2>benefiting from the death of their children and then the

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<v Speaker 2>harassment that they received on top of that because of

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<v Speaker 2>Alex Jones, Like, there's no dollar sign that's going to compense, say,

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<v Speaker 2>for all of that. So in one sense, it is

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<v Speaker 2>sad that they don't get any money now because of this,

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<v Speaker 2>But at the same time, it's almost as if they

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<v Speaker 2>because there wasn't going to be a dollar sign significant

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<v Speaker 2>enough or that could ever compensate them. It's meaningful. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope that because of what they've gone through, hopefully they've

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<v Speaker 2>been able to like pull the plug, pull the drain

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<v Speaker 2>on the cesspool that Alex Jones bathes in, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just drain him of any power hopefully down the road.

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<v Speaker 2>And that even though they won't get, you know, that

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<v Speaker 2>financial compensation, that at least they can make a difference

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<v Speaker 2>in preventing harm like this from happening to other people

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<v Speaker 2>down the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And one of those things being that sometimes we

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<v Speaker 1>see companies or people getting away with certain bad behaviors

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<v Speaker 1>over and over again. And he did this for a

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<v Speaker 1>very long time, and seeing that come around, it's fortunate

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<v Speaker 1>because it should serve as a reminder of the other people.

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<v Speaker 1>And that switches over to AJ. I know he started

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<v Speaker 1>out on radio and then he went on to his

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<v Speaker 1>on self run misinformation Empire. What do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>says about on check platforms like this? And do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that this downfall of them forwards could serve as

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<v Speaker 1>a warning to others who are spreading dangerous information because

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<v Speaker 1>we hear that every day.

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<v Speaker 3>I struggle with this because I believe that censorship is

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<v Speaker 3>not the solution to the spread of hate. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like information, more information, and more education, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>being able to analyze your biases and your beliefs is

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<v Speaker 3>a better solution than censorship. But this case, those show

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<v Speaker 3>the harm that this type of un check platforms, like

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<v Speaker 3>you said, has. So let's go back a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Alex Jones started in FORO Wards in the nineties after

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<v Speaker 3>he was fired from a radio show because his extreme

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<v Speaker 3>viewpoints made it hard for the radio station to get sponsors.

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<v Speaker 3>So this goes to show Okay, yeah, like his said,

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<v Speaker 3>yeas were always extreme, So we wanted to create his

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<v Speaker 3>own broadcast where he was free to spread any kind

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<v Speaker 3>of misinformation as far as he could manage. And unfortunately

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<v Speaker 3>this was fire and white and his false conspiracy theories

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<v Speaker 3>have accumulated him quite a fortune. So there are a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people that support that type of misinformation that

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<v Speaker 3>he's sharing. As far as warning to, you know, those

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<v Speaker 3>who spread that misinformation, I would hope that this does

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<v Speaker 3>give them some kind of idea on what could happen

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<v Speaker 3>to them, because I don't know if we can even

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<v Speaker 3>call what Alex Jones spread information, you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think we can. What he spread was frighteningly dangerous, is

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<v Speaker 3>you know, as you mentioned, one of the most disgusting

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<v Speaker 3>conspiracies that he has spread came at the expense of

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<v Speaker 3>the families of the Sandy Hook victims. He claimed that

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<v Speaker 3>the whole thing was fake. He called the shooting a hoax.

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<v Speaker 3>He say that it was an effort to increase gun control,

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<v Speaker 3>and he went as far as to say that the

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<v Speaker 3>parents were actors and that the children never existed. And

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<v Speaker 3>the problem here isn't just the claims alone, but the

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<v Speaker 3>response of his followers, like the people that listened to

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<v Speaker 3>and believe his livees act upon those lives, and in

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<v Speaker 3>this case, the harassment threatened the families of the Sandy

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<v Speaker 3>Hook victims. There were dead threeads. There was even somebody

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<v Speaker 3>shot at one of the family's cars, one of another

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<v Speaker 3>one of the victims parents say that this conspiracy theories

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<v Speaker 3>urinated on his seven year old son's quay and threatened

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<v Speaker 3>to dig up the coffin to confirm that there was

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<v Speaker 3>a child in it. How disgusting do you.

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<v Speaker 2>Have to be? So?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you have to hope that if people learn

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<v Speaker 3>anything from this, is that spreading misinformation and its avengers.

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely am not a fan of limiting information, and

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<v Speaker 1>I get where you're coming from. There that certain level

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<v Speaker 1>of ill at ease with something that feels like a restriction.

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<v Speaker 1>But really we're talking about platforming. Do we want to

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<v Speaker 1>give someone the ability to platform as a bully? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>because literally what he did is not only was he

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<v Speaker 1>a bully, but as your examples pointed out, is he

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<v Speaker 1>encouraged the worst in other people who already have those tendencies.

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<v Speaker 1>He encouraged him to do those behaviors because look, these

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<v Speaker 1>parents lost their kids and there's there's nothing that any

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<v Speaker 1>But that doesn't mean that that gives somebody like him

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<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to take a shit on him, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>what he did. That's why people did the behaviors you mentioned.

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<v Speaker 1>But switching over to you, Scott, I did find a

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<v Speaker 1>level of amusement about this situation, even from people who

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<v Speaker 1>a certain level of amusement at finding the onion and

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<v Speaker 1>taking info wars over. So what do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>this loss of his empire and everyone finding this funny?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think this says about his reputation? And

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<v Speaker 1>could his attempt to work around it and keep it,

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<v Speaker 4>Well, first of all, you were talking aj you were

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<v Speaker 4>talking about censorship, and I think it's worth pointing out

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<v Speaker 4>that stopping misinformation actually encourages the flow of good information,

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<v Speaker 4>and so this isn't necessarily a censorship situation stopping somebody

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<v Speaker 4>from passing on horrible and harmful and damaging and hurtful misinformation.

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<v Speaker 4>And now I've totally distracted myself away from your question, Infidel,

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<v Speaker 4>Can you give me a quick five word version of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think his attempt to work around this bid

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<v Speaker 1>and try to still fight to go the distance if

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<v Speaker 1>I can still alive from cake, do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>that just will even make him look even worse the

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<v Speaker 4>A yeah, yeah, well of course, I mean it's clear

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<v Speaker 4>what's happening here. And there's a little quote from the

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<v Speaker 4>article I read here. It says, and we've already talked

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit about it. A company affiliated with Jones

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<v Speaker 4>First United American Companies, which sells dietary supplements, lost its

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<v Speaker 4>bid for the fire Right Network last week, underbidding the Onion,

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<v Speaker 4>which went on to claim in for Wars as its own.

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<v Speaker 4>But the saga hasn't ended there, okay. In an attempt

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<v Speaker 4>to recoup the lost bid, Flock accused the bankruptcy trustee

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<v Speaker 4>as well as families of the victims of the Sandy

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<v Speaker 4>Hook massacre to pass over the group's three point five

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<v Speaker 4>million bid. So he's just adding fuel to the fire there,

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<v Speaker 4>he's just making it worse. Not only did he accuse

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<v Speaker 4>these families of being deceptive in the loss of their children,

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<v Speaker 4>which is like the most terrifying, most horrifying, most painful

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<v Speaker 4>moment of these families' lives, and he just had to

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<v Speaker 5>Now he's adding things. Now, he's adding fuel to that.

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<v Speaker 4>He's saying, now they're in addition to that, they're colluding

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<v Speaker 4>with the trustee, the bankruptcy trustee, to manipulate the sale.

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<v Speaker 4>And so with no evidence, by the way, I should

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<v Speaker 4>point out there there hasn't been any evidence that any

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<v Speaker 4>of that was true. In fact, the trustee of themselves

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<v Speaker 4>talked about that.

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<v Speaker 5>They released a.

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<v Speaker 4>Statement saying this is a ridiculous claim that there's been

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<v Speaker 4>no collusion at all. There's no evidence at all of

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<v Speaker 4>any of this happening, and I think it really is.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I would say it's making him.

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<v Speaker 4>Look worse, but he already looked pretty damn bad, and

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<v Speaker 4>so you know, at this point he might be thinking

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<v Speaker 4>that he has nothing to lose, and so adding this

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<v Speaker 4>isn't necessary. I don't think it's going to harm his

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<v Speaker 4>reputation anymore, because I think his reputation is all to.

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<v Speaker 5>The people who don't like him.

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<v Speaker 4>His reputation is already in the gutter, and the people

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<v Speaker 4>who do like him, they're not going to be listening to,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, to facts anyway, and so it does add

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<v Speaker 4>a nice, little delicious layer to all those to that

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<v Speaker 4>irony there. I'm happy that the you know, AJ was

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<v Speaker 4>saying that the families gave up some of their share

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we might think of that as being unfortunate,

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<v Speaker 4>but I hope that they got at least some satisfaction

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<v Speaker 4>knowing that they could take an active part in taking

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<v Speaker 4>this man's this man's business down and taking at least

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<v Speaker 4>this source of misinformation out of the system.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think whatever the onion turns info wars into

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<v Speaker 3>is going to be payment enough for the families?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm sure it's going to be glorious.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, when Scott said something about there was no evidence

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<v Speaker 1>for what he was claiming, I'm like, if I'd have

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<v Speaker 1>been eaten, how to spit out my dog at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's just one of those things that we know

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<v Speaker 1>that we can count on him to make things up. Now, Steven,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to start. I'm going to ask all of

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<v Speaker 1>you this, but I want to kind of get everyone's opinion. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead and throw anything else you thought might be important.

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<v Speaker 1>But do you think that this info world's model of

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<v Speaker 1>profit through outrage and pseudoscience? You know we've seen it

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<v Speaker 1>influence other people, But do you think we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>continue to see this type of behavior and other people

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<v Speaker 1>try to perpetrate the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yes yes, if it works, if it works,

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<v Speaker 2>if you make a buck, like, there's just that that mindset.

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<v Speaker 2>There is that kind of person who believes that if

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<v Speaker 2>you can do it, then it is ethical for you

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. If you can exploit a loophole, if

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<v Speaker 2>you can exploit a person, well it's therefore for being dumb.

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<v Speaker 2>So give me your money, you are too stupid to

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<v Speaker 2>have that money, and I am entitled to whatever I

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<v Speaker 2>can take, whatever I can get, So absolutely, the only

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<v Speaker 2>way that we'll ever be able to grow beyond this

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<v Speaker 2>is through education, and only by only by educating people

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<v Speaker 2>and teaching them how to use their brains will we

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<v Speaker 2>ever hope to get free of some of this myer.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're never going to be free of it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>always going to be here with us. There will always

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<v Speaker 2>be people who are exploitable, and there will always be

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<v Speaker 2>the people willing to exploit them. We just have to

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<v Speaker 2>develop systems to try to mitigate it that as much

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<v Speaker 2>as possible, and to try to protect the people that

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<v Speaker 3>We already have some of those big fish out there,

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<v Speaker 3>similar to InfoWars, you know, Joe Robe and undertakes can

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<v Speaker 3>help in all of these other platformed people that are

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<v Speaker 3>spreading all of this anti scientific information, information, misinformation, misinformation.

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<v Speaker 5>My bad.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think I think there's little to no chance

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<v Speaker 4>that we won't be seeing this again. I mean demand

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<v Speaker 4>made of multi what is a multimillion dollar business out

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<v Speaker 4>of essentially a microphone and some listeners, and so it

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<v Speaker 4>can be done, Like Stephen was saying, if it can

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<v Speaker 4>be done. It's going to be done. And so there

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<v Speaker 4>are people that have no problem making money off of

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<v Speaker 4>the pain and suffering of others that have no problem

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<v Speaker 4>that make money off of misinformation about fear mongering, about

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<v Speaker 4>conspiracy theory promotion. And so as long as there are

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<v Speaker 4>people that are going to be lapping that stuff up

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<v Speaker 4>and buying those supplements and buying those products and buying

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<v Speaker 4>those buckets of doomsday food, and you know, whatever it

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<v Speaker 4>is that's being sold, there's going to be a market

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<v Speaker 4>for it. And as long as there's a market for it,

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<v Speaker 4>there's going to be people that, as Steven said, are

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<v Speaker 4>willing to rake in that money. So it's nice to

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<v Speaker 4>see this particular Goliath go down to borrow a phrase,

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<v Speaker 4>but there's going to be more popping up, and so

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we should probably get used to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I think that you're all right. I have

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<v Speaker 1>to say, though, if nothing else came out of this story, though,

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<v Speaker 1>at least I know when I'm buying Scott and Stephen

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<v Speaker 1>for Christmas. AJ told me about a nice product here earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>So right, thank you, thanks, Thanks

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<v Speaker 4>Now,