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Everything's there. 21 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,760 I want to welcome everyone back to the Peakin Yona's show. 22 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,640 Thomas is here and we're going to take a little 23 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:02,519 diversion away from the Continental Philosophy series. But as Thomas 24 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:06,400 is about to explain, it relates to it. So take 25 00:02:06,439 --> 00:02:08,560 it away. Thomas. Hey, what, First of all, how are 26 00:02:08,599 --> 00:02:09,159 you doing today? 27 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:10,599 Speaker 2: I know it pretty well, man. 28 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: Health is better. 29 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been feeling pretty well. I mean I I 30 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:18,159 still have like respiratory symptoms that can't seem to shake, 31 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,000 but yeah, overall I feel pretty well, man. 32 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: Cool. 33 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 2: I want to talk about the radical traditionalist school of philosophy, 34 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,240 which is a discrete intellectual tradition, and a lot of 35 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:34,080 people don't understand that, and those that understand that basic 36 00:02:34,159 --> 00:02:37,240 Pasha with they don't really understand what it is. The 37 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,039 part of that's because like pop academ they claim that 38 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:45,879 everybody from like Nietzsche to Alexander Dugan to Ellen de 39 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:51,680 ben Wah to you know, Edmund Burke is part of 40 00:02:51,719 --> 00:02:56,879 this thing called traditionalism. That's not correct. Yeah, we're talking 41 00:02:56,879 --> 00:03:02,439 about a very discrete you have thought I didn't clude 42 00:03:02,479 --> 00:03:06,000 I didn't include. I'd include Heidegger and Joseph de Maistra 43 00:03:06,199 --> 00:03:13,280 in there too, although some people probably wouldn't. But the 44 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:19,599 same imperatives that framed radical traditionalism. It's metaphysics and it's ethics, 45 00:03:20,439 --> 00:03:25,479 and uh, it's postial. It's about the human condition translated 46 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:32,520 to a political theoretical construct. You know that that's what 47 00:03:32,599 --> 00:03:38,039 demeestra and that's what Heideger is and Demeestra also people 48 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:42,439 like Carl Loeweth and people like Isaiah Berlin. They claimed 49 00:03:42,479 --> 00:03:46,319 he was the progenitor of what became fascist thought. I 50 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,000 actually accept that that's true. You know, obviously they were 51 00:03:50,039 --> 00:03:53,719 suggesting that in punitive terms. Although low With was not 52 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,080 a liberal, he you know, he's he's somebody who's all understood, 53 00:03:57,159 --> 00:04:00,000 kind of like Leo Strauss's and they were. They were 54 00:04:00,039 --> 00:04:03,000 avid correspondence. If I say ill understood, I mean the 55 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,439 fact that they were anti liberal doesn't make them right 56 00:04:05,479 --> 00:04:08,199 wing or like that didn't make them pro fascist or 57 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,199 something point the contrary. But you know, so, Joseph de Maestra, 58 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:16,879 he's essential to understand the position that I consider to 59 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:23,240 be the the the right wing perspective or aspect of 60 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:28,120 the resistance as it stands contra globalism. Okay, it's not 61 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,279 conservatism and it has nothing to do with that. Okay, 62 00:04:32,399 --> 00:04:36,399 Medical traditionalists aren't trying to conserve things. You know, we'll 63 00:04:36,439 --> 00:04:39,319 get into like why that's misguided when people suggest that 64 00:04:39,319 --> 00:04:45,480 that's their ambition, you know, in the in the traditionalist view, 65 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:51,800 the entire conservative enterprise, it's it's basically a bourgeoisie liberal 66 00:04:51,839 --> 00:05:00,360 tendency that you know, holds attachments to certain institutions in 67 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,399 their deteriorated modern variant at least, you know, things like 68 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:09,399 the nuclear family or things at least like nominal concepts 69 00:05:09,399 --> 00:05:13,120 of private property. You know. But they but this idea 70 00:05:13,199 --> 00:05:16,680 that you know, they're somehow the standard bearer of some 71 00:05:17,319 --> 00:05:21,120 perennial tradition. Like that's laughable. And it's the point is 72 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,920 guided too for people to act like thinkers like Demeester 73 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,240 were conservative, like he wasn't at all. And he was 74 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,639 a very very very heterodox Catholic. He was a Freemason. 75 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,600 He defended the Jesuits. Now admittedly in that era, the 76 00:05:35,639 --> 00:05:40,240 Jesuits were totally different than the are today, but they 77 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,759 were very much at odds with, you know, the Catholic 78 00:05:45,519 --> 00:05:50,639 leadership and the Holy See. You know, he Demeisra supported 79 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:55,439 the American Revolution wholeheartedly, you know, and it's not because 80 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,920 you'll you'll read like modern or contemporary scholars were like, 81 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:02,959 so he was a friend of democracy of publication. No no, no, no, 82 00:06:02,959 --> 00:06:06,000 no no, The American Revolution had nothing to do with democracy. 83 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,600 Like the way he looked at it was this was 84 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:12,720 an aristocratic yeomanry that was exhibiting, you know, this kind 85 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:17,160 of like energetic tendency towards the creation of a of 86 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:22,040 a of a new state based on higher forms and potentialities, 87 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,600 a human action that we're no nos, based on you know, 88 00:06:27,879 --> 00:06:33,480 transcendent the principles you know, all the historical and theological 89 00:06:33,519 --> 00:06:36,600 in nature. You know, there's there's nothing egalitarian about this. 90 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,000 There's nothing leveling about this. Quite the contrary, you know, 91 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:46,279 like when uh, when these That's that's one of the 92 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,160 really weird things about the current illiteracy of the left. 93 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,639 I mean they've always been pseudo intellectuals, like going back centuries, 94 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,600 but now it's like they can't make up their mind. 95 00:06:56,639 --> 00:06:59,399 You know, Like on the one hand they'll claim that, uh, 96 00:07:00,519 --> 00:07:06,160 you know, America is a monstrous enterprise because only this uh, 97 00:07:06,959 --> 00:07:12,279 white male warrior yeomanry had the franchise. But then on 98 00:07:12,319 --> 00:07:15,439 the other hand they'll claim that America is basically this 99 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,639 kind of like Jacob and socialist paradise that wasn't realized yet, 100 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:27,079 but that's you know, and such that people like the Maistram. 101 00:07:27,079 --> 00:07:29,199 When he talked about democracy, he was talking about in 102 00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:32,560 the actual meaning of the term, you know, the demos 103 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:37,480 being the subject of it. You know, when when regime 104 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,800 people invote democracy, they mean the literal opposite of what 105 00:07:40,839 --> 00:07:43,800 the term means. You know, they're talking about this social 106 00:07:43,879 --> 00:07:48,959 engineering regime, you know, based on these kinds of radical 107 00:07:49,319 --> 00:07:53,600 humanist postulates, you know, in these in these anti traditional 108 00:07:54,279 --> 00:08:02,600 conceits and this kind of tradition such that anymore it 109 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:09,160 even abides a discreet and intelligible philosophical tradition. And they're 110 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,600 telling people like Ben Thumb and stuff, okay, like they 111 00:08:11,639 --> 00:08:20,079 don't this, this is nothing in common with you know, uh, 112 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,199 the understanding they held by people like uh, you know, 113 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:30,319 like the Greeks, you know, during the Ran Empiricles or whatever, 114 00:08:30,319 --> 00:08:34,720 which I'd consider to be the zenith of classical democracy. 115 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:45,240 But because it may the core thinkers of radical traditionalism, 116 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:53,639 I said, oh, saying a sir, I think he's still alive. 117 00:08:54,240 --> 00:09:00,600 He's an Iranian academic. He uh was educated my Tea 118 00:09:00,639 --> 00:09:04,159 among other places, you know, and like Wolfgang Smith, he 119 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:09,120 came up through the hard sciences. But uh, nasire an 120 00:09:09,159 --> 00:09:11,720 interesting back as I'm jumping around a lot, but there's 121 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:18,279 no more cogent way to explain this and describe these 122 00:09:18,279 --> 00:09:24,080 personages and why they're significant within this school of thought. 123 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:31,879 Nasir Uh he found himself at odds with Komene's revolutionary government, 124 00:09:31,919 --> 00:09:34,360 which is interesting because there was no friend of the 125 00:09:34,399 --> 00:09:38,679 shop and the shot was actually a terrible individual. I 126 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,559 know that like internet guys think he was based, he based, 127 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,279 He was not at all. He was just he was 128 00:09:43,279 --> 00:09:48,320 a kleptocreate pimp. But one of the interesting things about 129 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,559 the Iranian revolution is that one of the ways Komine 130 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,960 he was able to when he came back from exile, 131 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,000 you know, he'd been exiled from Iraq for decades, okay, 132 00:09:59,039 --> 00:10:07,080 and the shah had uh approached the Iraqi regime, you know, 133 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,080 and this this was uh, this was basically like in 134 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:15,320 the wake of like the Bathist descendancy, you know, and 135 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,960 Uh they'd worked out something of a concord, I mean, 136 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,960 which makes sense because Iraq along with Iran, as you know, 137 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:27,759 like the Shia heart land, and Komane had been in 138 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:34,360 Iraq and he was unceremulously banished. But Komane was uh 139 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:39,399 Komane when he returned from exile. The revolution as it 140 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,879 was developing in the street, it was these pious Shia 141 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,440 elements who were the core. But they also there's a 142 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:51,000 bunch of left wing labor agitators, and Ahmadinajad for example, 143 00:10:51,159 --> 00:10:53,440 was like the legacy of that tendency. That's why you 144 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,639 still find these guys in the Iranian government. There were 145 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,679 there were there were kind of right wing social nationalists 146 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,000 among them. It was this kind of broad coalition, okay, 147 00:11:06,039 --> 00:11:11,480 and to Comeni and to a lot you know, many 148 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:14,879 elements within the revolutionary cadre. If you're a guy like 149 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,480 Nasir as like a kind of reactionary, you know, this 150 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,240 guy's an elitist. You know, even though he doesn't like 151 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,159 the Shah and he used it as a corrupt element, 152 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:28,080 he still has no problem with monarchy, you know. He 153 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,679 he's not the kind of person we should permit you 154 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:37,799 know within you know, uh, the intelligency. You know, because 155 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,759 people like Kim have a tendency to be able to 156 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:44,440 corrupt revolutionary imperatives and open the door to you know, 157 00:11:44,519 --> 00:11:51,240 kind of revolutionary activity. But Nasir was very much a 158 00:11:51,279 --> 00:11:54,960 disciple of Renee Gillon, and Renee Guillon was a Frenchman 159 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,600 who was a convert to Islam. I don't want to 160 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,720 get into discussion is how people feel about those kinds 161 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:05,559 of conversions. That's not important. But what is important is 162 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,759 that Islam, especially on the Shia side, in my opinion, 163 00:12:09,919 --> 00:12:13,159 plays a huge role in the traditionalist school of thought, 164 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:20,960 and in terms of praxis, the significance of their participation 165 00:12:21,279 --> 00:12:25,480 in the resistance contra globalism can't be overstated. That's one 166 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,159 of the reasons why it really really irritates me when 167 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:33,279 stupid people talk about the hate Islam. That's unbelievably ignorant, okay. 168 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,799 And the fact that you don't like some random Pakistani 169 00:12:36,879 --> 00:12:40,360 criminal who's deployed the euro up under the auspices of 170 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,679 refugee relief when in reality it's part of the Zionistic 171 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:49,279 cleansing efforts. Declaring that that guy is some instentation of 172 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,480 Islam makes you just a complete ignorantus. Okay, one thing 173 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,000 has nothing to do with the other, okay. And the 174 00:12:57,039 --> 00:13:03,480 traditionalist school, from Rene Guillon to Julius Evil to Mercia 175 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:09,559 Eliotti to Joseph de Maestra is highly ecumenical. They're not syncretic. 176 00:13:09,639 --> 00:13:12,559 They're not saying that all religions are equal. They're not 177 00:13:12,639 --> 00:13:18,360 saying that, you know, you should abandon your own tradition 178 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,960 and you know, worshiping a mosque or in an Orthodox 179 00:13:23,159 --> 00:13:26,200 seminary or in a Protestant church, because it's all some 180 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,879 sort of loose, you know, ill defined spiritual wisdom that 181 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,159 you know, and there's nothing holistic about it. That's not 182 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,320 what I'm talking about. That's not what they're talking about. 183 00:13:38,519 --> 00:13:46,320 What they're talking about is that various permutations of religiosity, 184 00:13:46,519 --> 00:13:54,000 like true deep religiosity, the kind that you know shapes 185 00:13:54,039 --> 00:13:58,360 the prime symbols of living cultures and a timeless capacity, 186 00:13:59,039 --> 00:14:04,600 and that you know, informs the configuration of institutions cultural 187 00:14:04,639 --> 00:14:10,039 and political and social, and that dictates where people devise 188 00:14:10,159 --> 00:14:15,279 their concept of authority and legitimacy therein and beauty and 189 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:22,320 aesthetics and everything else. They're saying that, like various religious 190 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:31,519 traditions and tendencies, there are all permutations of this. You know, 191 00:14:31,919 --> 00:14:35,919 that the mind of God is received by man. Okay, 192 00:14:37,639 --> 00:14:39,679 and somebody like the Ma Shaw would go a step 193 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,720 further and while he wasn't a racialist in this sense 194 00:14:43,799 --> 00:14:45,679 people think of it in the twenty and twenty first 195 00:14:45,679 --> 00:14:53,879 century capacity, he would say that there's an organic and 196 00:14:54,840 --> 00:15:03,679 historically contingent and culturally dictated basis for how religiosity expresses 197 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:09,080 itself with in discrete cultures. Okay, So being down on 198 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:14,600 a great civilization like Iran because they're not Presbyterians like 199 00:15:14,679 --> 00:15:20,039 me is is really really really stupid. Okay. And plus too, 200 00:15:20,279 --> 00:15:24,159 that itself is a liberal postulate because you're saying, like, basically, 201 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:30,759 everybody's the same and should receive a you know, divine 202 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,360 imperatives and perceive them the same way, regardless of race 203 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:43,240 or historical you know, historically contingent variables or you know, 204 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:51,840 linear memory of an epigenetic character, you know the if 205 00:15:51,879 --> 00:15:55,879 you're a real if you take race seriously, if you 206 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:02,799 take deep culture seriously, you would not only expect there 207 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:08,840 to be this kind of sectarian diversity, but you welcome 208 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:16,200 its existence because it's you yet another discrete signifier. You 209 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:20,200 know that that demonstrates the insolarty of races and cultures. Okay, 210 00:16:21,559 --> 00:16:25,440 And that kind of thing should be curated, okay, obviously, 211 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:30,360 because the eradication of it is one of the prime 212 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:35,200 imperatives of you know, the regime social engineering paradigm, because 213 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:42,080 it wants to reduce everybody to this kind of low humanist, deculturated, 214 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:49,720 deracinated sort of a you know, slave cast as it were. Okay, 215 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,080 so that's what we're talking about. And just to get 216 00:16:54,080 --> 00:17:02,919 into just get into renegion a bit, you know, because 217 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:11,680 again I think Demeestra and Renee Dillon our most important 218 00:17:12,039 --> 00:17:17,400 in terms of praxie. Arguably Julius Evela, particularly some of 219 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:24,119 his later stuff, probably holds more significance to a contemporary partisan. 220 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,720 But you know, theory is is paramount in my opinion 221 00:17:29,799 --> 00:17:32,799 because of that theory, there is no praxis, among other things. 222 00:17:32,839 --> 00:17:39,440 But the Gione essentially identified, he said, when we're talking 223 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:46,079 about traditional civilizations contra modern ones, you know, not modern 224 00:17:46,079 --> 00:17:49,000 in terms of technological developmental little it is a fact 225 00:17:49,079 --> 00:17:54,960 or modern in terms of their rejection of metaphysics and 226 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,920 their rejection of God. You know, like what we think 227 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:03,359 of as you know, uh, the conventions of the Enlightenment, 228 00:18:03,799 --> 00:18:07,400 the ideological conventions of it. You know, that's that's synonymous 229 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,519 with modernity for purposes of what Thean was talking about. 230 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,960 You know. One of the one of the things that 231 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:19,359 that's done is it's eliminated metaphysical points of reference. You know, 232 00:18:20,079 --> 00:18:28,319 when every civilization prior, you know, great and small or 233 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:35,400 u you know, dynamic and and and brilliant, or primitive 234 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:41,440 and savage. All civilizations were characterized by the recognition of 235 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:47,119 higher order than man, you know, even those that exhibited 236 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,039 some humanist tendencies, you know, when in their ethics or 237 00:18:51,519 --> 00:18:56,160 their aesthetical judgments, or their you know what have you 238 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:09,240 the understanding that you know, elites only derive legitimacy from 239 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:18,000 a transcendental mandate and the principles and values necessary and 240 00:19:19,079 --> 00:19:24,880 adequate to constitute you know, the not just the mandate, 241 00:19:25,519 --> 00:19:29,839 but the kind of guiding ethical disposition of authority. It 242 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,519 has to represent some sort of pathway to higher knowledge. Okay, 243 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:40,640 at least in terms of its intended structure. And when 244 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:45,599 leadership fails in that regard, traditionally, it's unders they're understand 245 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:50,079 to have lost their mandate. Okay, that gets a bit complex, 246 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:54,039 and we'll get into Demestra's take on that these would 247 00:19:54,079 --> 00:19:56,279 be the French Revolution, because that is the case and 248 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:06,839 point really modern civilization and contrast is it's the deliberate 249 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:11,240 opposite of that, you know, and this isn't accidental. There's 250 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:16,200 this mythology that of you know, moderns that well, you know, 251 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:20,960 the scientific method, you know, and the Enlightenment, you know, 252 00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:23,640 literally bring us out of darkness. It just revealed to 253 00:20:23,759 --> 00:20:25,720 us that these things aren't true by some sort of 254 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,960 splendid accident. That's nonsense. This was an ideology. This wasn't 255 00:20:30,079 --> 00:20:39,119 is an ideological program to deconstruct not just the tendency 256 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,559 of the body politic to believe in God, but to 257 00:20:43,599 --> 00:20:48,200 do everything to make this higher belief impossible, okay, by 258 00:20:48,319 --> 00:20:53,200 essentially breaking down the institutions that are suggestive of such things, 259 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,799 even if they're not, you know, and obviously the eradication 260 00:20:55,920 --> 00:21:02,279 of anything so dedicated. You know, that's something Wolfgang Smith 261 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,640 used to make the point a lot that. You know. 262 00:21:06,519 --> 00:21:10,359 One of the ways that particularly the anglosphere like handles 263 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,799 religiosity is they try and appropriate it in a way, 264 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,680 not unlike the Communists did, and just turn it into 265 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,759 this kind of goofy almost like going to a bowling 266 00:21:20,839 --> 00:21:23,319 league or something, you know, like, oh, I'm religious, I 267 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,559 go to this, I go to this building where there's 268 00:21:25,599 --> 00:21:27,400 you know, it's kind of like a movie theater. And 269 00:21:27,839 --> 00:21:30,960 this guy, you know, like Joel Austin, he talks about 270 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,480 self help sorts of things and how to manage my 271 00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:36,319 money better, you know. And then and then we go 272 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,440 into this big room and like drink lemonee together, you know, 273 00:21:39,519 --> 00:21:44,480 like it really it's deliberately shorn of anything suggestive of 274 00:21:44,559 --> 00:21:52,119 the divine or tuding towards worship. And I know that 275 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:58,359 there's a tread Catholic Like tread is not traditionalism, it's tread. 276 00:21:59,279 --> 00:22:02,799 And there's a lot of problems with those people. But 277 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,920 I know that one of their favorite, one of their 278 00:22:07,279 --> 00:22:09,519 one of their favorite straw man is you know, oh 279 00:22:09,559 --> 00:22:14,720 that's Protestantism, or that this imaginary Protestant church that you know, 280 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:20,200 due to its h due to its iconoclasm, it did 281 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,119 away with, you know, all the all the edifying aspects 282 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,559 of religion, and and uh, you know, shut the doors 283 00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:30,480 of the cathedral so people had no choice but to 284 00:22:30,599 --> 00:22:35,359 draw upon these debates and and kind of banal modalities. 285 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:44,680 That's not true, Okay, Radical Pietism basically, the force has 286 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:51,279 almost got a monastic degree of introspection visa the you know, 287 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,839 the inner witness on congregants. Okay, like I'm not I 288 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,799 don't want to start some sort of sitarian beef here, 289 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:06,640 but but you can't say that, you know, a secretarian 290 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,519 orientation that you know suggests that people should be guided 291 00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:14,480 at all times by scripture, which quite literally, you know, 292 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,480 is supposed to be timeless and resound in sacred time, 293 00:23:19,559 --> 00:23:23,400 as Merzia Eliati described it. You can't suggest that that's 294 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:31,559 some of like some secularizing tendency. But moving on. You 295 00:23:31,599 --> 00:23:35,039 know Keon obviously he was kind of the quintessential Orientalist. 296 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,799 You know, he he married an Egyptian woman, he converted 297 00:23:38,839 --> 00:23:46,240 to Islam, he became very insinuated into a Sufi uh 298 00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:51,319 school of thought and Uh Sufi. A lot of people 299 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:56,519 call it mysticism. There are Sufi mystics, and there's aspects 300 00:23:56,599 --> 00:24:01,200 of that and some of its permutations. The better way 301 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,119 to think of it as metaphysics, like higher metaphysics, and 302 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:13,519 Islam is derives in large measure from from Sufi philosophies 303 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:22,319 and interestingly, many Alowites who may or may not be 304 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,799 occulted Christians. That's an open ended question and I'm not 305 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:32,640 qualified to discuss it in uh deeper capacities. A lot 306 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,839 of Alowites find their way to kind of the study 307 00:24:36,839 --> 00:24:45,880 of higher metaphysics through various schools of Sufiism. Okay, the 308 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:52,039 reason why Yan gravitated to his lamb it Uh was 309 00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:55,839 because he believed that in the Orient. He said that 310 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:03,279 there's still are pockets of capital. He traditional modalities of life. 311 00:25:03,599 --> 00:25:10,519 You know, they're beleaguered in his mind, They're at risk 312 00:25:10,599 --> 00:25:15,039 of being wiped away, you know, by the triumph of 313 00:25:15,079 --> 00:25:23,240 this kind of anti god modernist ideology, and it's various permutations, 314 00:25:24,319 --> 00:25:28,720 but it's still extants. You know. He talk a lot 315 00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:30,480 about how you know, if you go into like the 316 00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:36,119 mountains in India, you'll find people who are different from 317 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:41,039 the majority racial populations in India, who in his estimation 318 00:25:43,079 --> 00:25:47,759 were vestiges of the higher racial caste, who still practice 319 00:25:47,799 --> 00:25:53,279 the kind of pure like proto in Indo European spiritual 320 00:25:55,319 --> 00:26:04,160 you know practice. He believe that, you know, places where 321 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:11,079 an Islamic way of life still thrived, you know, obviously 322 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,839 not like in the Ottoman court or something, which was 323 00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:16,359 you know, in a lot of ways as debased as 324 00:26:17,319 --> 00:26:23,720 as these secular occidental regimes. But you know, nevertheless, you know, 325 00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:30,160 within within the orient and within the parameters of Ah, 326 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:40,480 of the Islamic UH governmental structure, you know, you still 327 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:47,359 could find pure iterations of it. And Osama bin lad 328 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,279 And had something of the same sensibility. I'm not saying 329 00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:52,359 he was like Renee Dillon. They were very very different 330 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:57,519 kinds of men, but there's something to this, you know. 331 00:26:57,799 --> 00:27:02,720 So that was the owes that that was kind of 332 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,079 what informed his sensibilities in this regard. You know, it 333 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,799 wasn't just the kind of fetishism of the anthrop the 334 00:27:10,839 --> 00:27:18,240 cultural anthropologists, or you know, the kind of wandering European 335 00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:25,319 who uh you know is kind of uh able to 336 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,480 insinuate himself the due to a combination of cunning and 337 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:38,519 and and and genuinely curious vigor can like insinuate himself 338 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:40,960 in these alien cultures and and kind of master them. 339 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:48,200 My perspective of, you know, of deep reverence, that was that. 340 00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:51,079 I mean that obviously those are aspects kind of been 341 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,240 during aspects of the European mind and soul, but that 342 00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:02,000 wasn't his primary motivation, you know. And again, uh, if 343 00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:08,039 your entire life's work is you know, I need to understand, 344 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:15,720 you know, how can traditional ways of life and traditional data, 345 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,960 as Wolfgang Smith called it, How can that thrive even 346 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,839 be recognized for what it is? Like, what are the 347 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,920 conditions precedent? Or that sort of thing can still exist, 348 00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:32,400 you know, in a spontaneous way that is psychologically resonant 349 00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:37,480 and instinctive. You know, this is totally different than people 350 00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:42,079 deliberately trying to resurrect dead forms. Mind you, okay, because 351 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,000 any kind of deliberate effort to do that, I mean 352 00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:53,559 that itself is just a sort of modern psychological coping 353 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,480 mechanism or thought experiment. You know, that's the opposite of 354 00:28:58,519 --> 00:29:02,599 what we're talking about here. But you know, if you're 355 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,839 somebody like Gillonne who wanted to discover again, like what 356 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:19,119 the conditions were where such you know, spiritual practices can thrive, 357 00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:23,519 you know that you would find yourself. You would find 358 00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:26,440 your way to the kinds of environs that he did, 359 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,440 you know, and that and that would be your frame 360 00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:37,160 of reference. As uh as a as a scholar and 361 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:49,880 uh as a partisan, and Gione was absolutely both, you know. 362 00:29:50,000 --> 00:30:02,920 In the one of the things, excuse me, one of 363 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,079 the things. One of the ties that binds conceptually of 364 00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:11,240 capital E. Capital t traditionalist thoughts is the concept of 365 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:18,680 primordial tradition or sofia parentis. You'll find that phrase a 366 00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:30,559 lot and traditional was writings. You know, it's not traditional 367 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,200 societies didn't really draw a firm distinction between metaphysical aspects 368 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:44,920 and historical aspects of cultural mind and memory. There was 369 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:51,880 an understanding two that the origin of institutions is somewhat mysterious, 370 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,000 you know, and that that's something really like Enlightenment, modernity 371 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:01,559 never accounts for. It's just kind of purely horizontal understanding 372 00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:07,480 of data, you know, whether they're talking about you know, 373 00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:12,279 whether they're talking about biological phenomenon, you know, like that 374 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,319 darwin Is paradigm. It never gets into any sort of 375 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,119 horizontal causation, I mean, or any kind of vertical causation. 376 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,680 It's usually horizontal. You know, it doesn't make any sense anyway, 377 00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:28,119 but it's okay, so matter just created itself or matter 378 00:31:28,319 --> 00:31:32,000 just exists, but then like life got insinuated into matter somehow. 379 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,680 You know, you're just supposed to not address that because 380 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:44,240 according to Galilean science, which is totally outmoded by the way, 381 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,119 obviously you know that we just don't believe in God 382 00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:50,720 because that's just not something we believe in it's like 383 00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:58,680 this weird tautology. And interestingly, like Wolfgang Smith, who he died, 384 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,559 if he had his even in his late nineties, he's 385 00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:06,359 still very much had his mind about him, you know, 386 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,000 and he wrote his background was in quantum physics, so 387 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:14,279 he specifically write a lot about how these deep field 388 00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:19,119 telescopes and the emergence of ah, you know, theories of 389 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:24,720 things like black hole cosmology. You know, it's really repudiating 390 00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:30,839 everything that was propping up however, weekly the kind of 391 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:40,000 scientists perspective, you know, not scientific right about scientism. You know, 392 00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:52,519 this idea of you know, emergent uh cosmological theories reputiating 393 00:32:52,839 --> 00:33:00,519 any uh any possibility of a divine or agen of 394 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:09,559 you know, matter and time. And that's a totally outmoded 395 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,599 way of thinking about things like basically, if you stop 396 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,920 the clock, like the proverbial clock of a human knowledge 397 00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:21,920 pre Einstein and Heisenberg, you could arguably make that case, 398 00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:27,960 but you know, it's it's laughable these days to speak 399 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,000 in those terms, you know, I mean, don't get me wrong, 400 00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:33,400 that's only part of the equation, you know, like the 401 00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:41,880 godlessness of the modern condition. It has to do with, 402 00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:48,680 you know, ways of life and historical memory and the 403 00:33:48,799 --> 00:34:00,599 ability of people to receive primordial knowledge and to contextualize 404 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:06,680 those things within a conceptual paradigm that's both historical and metaphysical. 405 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,320 It's not just a matter of you know, the science 406 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:15,239 not being hostile to you know, the theological postulates or something, 407 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:20,320 but it is an important aspect of it, because I'm 408 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,400 constantly brushing up against people who mean well and aren't stupid, 409 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,880 but they're not particularly sophisticated intellectually, and they act as 410 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,679 if they left is somehow like intellectually sophisticated or something. 411 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,159 They're not at all. They're They're they're proudly ignorant, you know, 412 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,719 and such that they can muster any sort of like 413 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,519 the only thing they have or had was the bully pulpit, 414 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,039 you know. They that's one of the reason why they're 415 00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:48,599 so censorship praised, you know, because they they have they 416 00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:52,119 literally have nothing to stand on, you know, And that's important. 417 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,440 That's not just a flex I mean, it's important to 418 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:00,920 keep in mind, you know, in terms of of understanding 419 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:08,480 how the the kind of prevailing zeitgeist is the Overton window, 420 00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:17,840 if he prefers, is shifting. But the uh, you know, 421 00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:27,039 g own like Merciliati and like I will Uh. He 422 00:35:27,199 --> 00:35:32,599 believed in a Hyperborean tradition, you know, he believed in 423 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:40,199 essentially uh, a fall within the civilizational cycle, you know, 424 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:50,079 which is tantamount or it can be understood, is metaphorically 425 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:58,960 not unlike you know, the the the divine right of kings. 426 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:05,280 It's it's mischaracterized by pop history books. Like what it 427 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,199 derives from is is that, you know, the the king's 428 00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:15,519 sovereign lordship over his domain is not unlike God's dominion 429 00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:19,239 over the universe, you know, with all that that entails, 430 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:25,360 you know, because that's the transcendental model of you know, 431 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:33,039 authority and justice and sovereign legitimacy. So the fall of man, 432 00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:41,239 you know, quite literally is played out in temporal capacities, 433 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:48,760 you know, in cycles of civilization, you know, and Gale 434 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,599 comes back again and again. Obviously this would have been 435 00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:53,480 at the forefront of his mind because in Egypt, you know, 436 00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:55,559 he would have been and he was very much a 437 00:36:55,639 --> 00:36:58,880 man who was very respected there, you know, being this 438 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,440 this cultured Frenchman who was a great intellectual, who spoke 439 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,159 all these languages and had all this wisdom, and you know, 440 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:15,199 he uh he married a woman of a very high standing, 441 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:20,760 you know, so he he would have found himself, you know, 442 00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:30,719 in Cairo, and you know, in the in the midst 443 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:39,079 of these great monuments and uh, these towering necropolis structures 444 00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:41,880 and things. It had to be on his mind in 445 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,519 a very active sense, you know, like these people I'm 446 00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:50,360 among and these these men, these ways, and you know, 447 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,800 belief structures I've made mine own. They can't make things 448 00:37:54,880 --> 00:38:02,320 like this anymore, you know, And that's the profound you know, 449 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:10,639 But that's obviously the Enlightenment perspective is again it's like 450 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:15,000 a pure inversion that like man is someone being elevated 451 00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:20,119 from this state of brutishness and ignorance, and he's literally 452 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:24,679 mired in darkness, which again forces one to kind of 453 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:31,039 blind their eyes to you know, iterations of high culture 454 00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:37,480 from the past, you know. I you know, so how 455 00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:44,000 if man was mired in darkness? You know, essentially until 456 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,920 you know, the sixteenth century or whatever, like, how are 457 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,840 there you know, how are they these grand monuments that 458 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,599 this day nobody can givenate how they were built, that 459 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:06,360 were erected five thousand years before Christ. You know, it's 460 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,760 nobody can explain these things or I mean, how was 461 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,440 it that you know, people like told of me we 462 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,400 were mapping the stars or that, you know, essentially the 463 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,920 greatest intellectual traditions came out of Doric Athens and have 464 00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:25,440 never been duplicated. You know, so I'm supposed to believe 465 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,559 that these people were all basically, you know, a bunch 466 00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:34,119 of a bunch of unwashed barbarians, and that uh, you know, 467 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:40,239 Pride Month represents like the the zenith of of high culture. 468 00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:43,639 You know, Perracles was an idiot, but like Donald Trump 469 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,800 is like a great, a great leader of men, you know, 470 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,840 I mean like obviously being deliberately obtuse. But this idea 471 00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:56,320 of like man being uplifted from you know, ignorance that 472 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,639 that does that doesn't make logical sense, but it doesn't 473 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,599 make metaphorical sense either. You know, that's that's just not 474 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:11,000 the way and that's not that's not the way that's 475 00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:13,000 that's not the way human life is. And that's that's 476 00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:16,440 that's not the way organisms are. That's not that's not 477 00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:20,840 the way matter is. You know that something gets more 478 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,800 robust and stronger as it ages. I mean, there's good 479 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,800 things about aging, obviously, and like it confers wisdom and stuff. 480 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,719 But you have this idea that you know, this a 481 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:37,719 this this idea that you know, things that things begin 482 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:48,079 as uh as kind of like proto human and then 483 00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:51,079 the end as in some perfected state. I mean that 484 00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:55,079 doesn't you know, it's it's not just counterintuitive, it's it's 485 00:40:55,119 --> 00:41:00,280 at odds with you know, the the human experience, if 486 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:07,639 nothing else, to say, nothing of the metaphysical you know, 487 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:21,519 illogic of it. But you know, and that's something that's 488 00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:26,679 why you know, the traditional was at least the ones 489 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:34,199 who are you know, worthy of the moniker. They're not 490 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:39,320 anti science at all. Like again, you know, necess here 491 00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:47,320 Wolfgang Smith, uh Renegio and himself, like these these men 492 00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:58,760 came from the sciences. You know. Wolfgang Smith made the 493 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:06,880 point he said that, you know, moderns will tell you, 494 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:13,920 these secular humanist moderns, they'll hold out something like scripture 495 00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:17,480 and say, well, scripture informs us that the apostles they 496 00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:23,039 saw Christ raised, you know, from from the dead, and 497 00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:27,440 he you know, he was elevated from the earth and 498 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,960 you know, presumably he disappeared into the heavens, you know, 499 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,599 and the Galilean of you know, the objection of the 500 00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:42,559 Galilean science was well, you know, space being infinite, it 501 00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:46,079 has no high or low. So there you know, even 502 00:42:46,119 --> 00:42:49,480 if I accept that such an ascension was possible, you know, 503 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,079 which it's not. It's meaningless because there is no true 504 00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:54,360 ascension because there is no up, there is no down. 505 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,719 But I mean like that itself is meaningless if you 506 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:02,400 understand even as a layman, you know, general relativity. You know, 507 00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:06,000 there very much can be like a heaven or a hell. 508 00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:12,239 Very much can be up and down, distilled down the 509 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,679 kind of dummy terms, these things can be anywhere, okay, 510 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,039 because it's a matter of perspective and situatedness, you know. 511 00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:31,280 Rudolph Boltman, uh, the kind of nonsense that he promulgated 512 00:43:31,679 --> 00:43:34,239 that underlay a lot of kind of what became sort 513 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,320 of the the milk toast sort of Billy Graham kind 514 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:45,760 of Protestantism as well as Vatican two. His whole mandate, 515 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,159 as he saw it, was to de mythologize crypt script 516 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:58,000 Christian scriptures, like according to Boltman and his intellectual progeny. 517 00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:02,920 You know, well before before there was an understanding of 518 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:09,119 true cosmology, you know, there was people spoken in pure metaphors, 519 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,360 like nobody really believed in things like you know, the 520 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,840 descent of man or ascension or resurrection. You know, like 521 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,760 people actually accepted this garbage, you know, especially like mid 522 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:24,599 century probably this probably like was earnestly believed until like 523 00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:28,280 the eighties, like even in sad way, even in a 524 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:33,920 lot of you know, seminary schools and such environments. You know. 525 00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:37,880 But that's but I mean, to accept something like that, 526 00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:41,559 first of all, you're drawing up on science that is 527 00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:46,719 decades out of date at best, and arguably centuries. But 528 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,079 also you know, you don't really understand metaphysics or the 529 00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:54,800 human condition, you know, and you don't really understand what 530 00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:00,079 we're talking about in terms of cosmological presentation, and you 531 00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:06,239 don't understand the anthropic principle, which is key to you know, 532 00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:12,559 forwarding an argument for or against this subject matter from 533 00:45:12,599 --> 00:45:20,480 a scientific perspective, you know. But the point is, this 534 00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:24,320 is one of the ways that you know, the regime 535 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:30,000 and the kind of post war consensus is drawn upon 536 00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:35,119 these Enlightenment ideas that are natively ideological, you know, again, 537 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:40,719 like it's a one of the big eyes of history 538 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,000 by the proponents of these things that well, these were 539 00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:46,880 just accidental discoveries or something, you know, No, they weren't 540 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,800 revelatory at all. They weren't discovered, they weren't the subject 541 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:57,679 of a rigorous methodology. These are ideological postulates. And you know, 542 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:02,960 you don't this idea that you can just abolish herman 543 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:10,880 nutics by appeal to, you know, an outmoded science. I mean, 544 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,960 that's that's preposterous. But that's kind of where this cultural 545 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,039 schizophrenia comes from in a place like America because in 546 00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:23,119 addition to people not understanding what traditionalism is, like when 547 00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:26,159 I you know, when we use that word. The reason 548 00:46:26,159 --> 00:46:28,159 why I like, people have a bad i you know, 549 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,079 feeling about religion because to them, like religion is you know, 550 00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:37,119 some some guy like Joel Ostein or it's or it's 551 00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:42,400 Ted Cruz saying illiterate stuff about why he has a 552 00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:45,119 kink for pretending to be Jewish and saying things that 553 00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:49,400 make no sense. Or you know, when people think of religion, 554 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:50,960 they're like, oh, my parents may me go to this 555 00:46:51,079 --> 00:46:56,800 bullshit you know, uh kind of glorified VFW hall of 556 00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,840 this boring guy would talk about how, you know, you 557 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:06,159 shouldn't be racist, and you know, basically give us these 558 00:47:06,199 --> 00:47:09,400 kinds of school normal lectures that were devoid of anything 559 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,639 interesting or metaphysical or moral or you know, but that's 560 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,239 like people have to understand that that really has nothing 561 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,480 to do with tradition. That's some weird it's some weird 562 00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:25,280 social convention. That is how you know, this kind of 563 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,119 professional class of academics and commissars, you know, who had 564 00:47:32,159 --> 00:47:36,039 some sort of vestigial interest in in academic theology just 565 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,400 kind of like found their way to this role, you know. 566 00:47:39,559 --> 00:47:43,400 And that's because that's like what's the acceptable version of 567 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:50,599 these kind of state forms that you know, in their 568 00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:56,320 true manifestation are considered at best highly subversive and at 569 00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,760 worst basically criminal. You know. So that's when we talk 570 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,079 about cavallet traditionalism. We're not we're not talking about conservatism. 571 00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:06,840 We're not talking out for tending it's the twelve hundreds, 572 00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:11,039 we're not we're not talking about any of that. We 573 00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:16,559 talk about religion. We're not talking about Churchianity or this 574 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:21,239 kind of lame like bougie stuff or you know, this 575 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:26,280 kind of cornball stuff where you know, it's it's it's 576 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,280 people saying, you know, what religion is about, like you know, 577 00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:34,000 having manners and not using bad language, and you know, 578 00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:36,639 saying please and thank you like you're in kindergarten or 579 00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:39,400 something like a you know, and this is important because 580 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,800 like I said, it's I mean, don't get me wrong, 581 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:46,119 the last thing I want to do is try to 582 00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:48,599 convince masses of people the merit of our position. That 583 00:48:48,679 --> 00:48:50,840 would be a fool's errand. But that's also not what 584 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:58,280 Vanguard is due. But people otherwise are sophisticated and politically 585 00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:03,639 intelligent and stand by their their culture and their race 586 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,599 and their heritage. This is a hurdle sometimes it must 587 00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:10,400 be overcome with them because this, you know, this is 588 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,440 one of the reasons why like abuse of languages, it's 589 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,960 such a it's such a deliterious effect on conceptual life. 590 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,639 And that's right deliberate, because you know, then you have 591 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,960 to you kind of have to disabuse people of these 592 00:49:25,199 --> 00:49:29,320 meanings that they've developed negative associations with, along to the 593 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,920 kind of endless repetition of them by ideological commissars whose 594 00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:39,079 entire intention and mission is to you know, pervert the 595 00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:42,599 plain meaning of these things. But moving on with the 596 00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:53,119 time we got left, you know, and that's why I 597 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,840 encourage people too, you know, who say, like, what, what's 598 00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:02,440 the relevance of all this to the president. Well again 599 00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:08,079 I believe like this is our politics, okay, I mean 600 00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:11,800 this is my politics, Like this is the resistance and 601 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:17,440 there is only the resistance contra globalism, you know. And 602 00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:23,800 again it's not a reactionary sensibility and it's not a 603 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:29,239 return to superstition again, like that itself is you know, 604 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:37,480 an ideological postulate promulgated by you know, people who abide Enlightenment, 605 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,920 ideology and scientism. The superstition stuff that there is one 606 00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:46,679 is this kind of nineteenth century style materialism that like 607 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,719 nobody believes in anymore. Like that's the superstition, you know. 608 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,400 And if I behoove people again, I'm very much a 609 00:50:54,519 --> 00:51:01,280 layman and you know the hard sciences, you know, but 610 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:07,920 read up on what's being realized by way of things 611 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,199 like the James Webb telescope, like read up on black 612 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,320 hole cosmology and what's being postulated there, Like this is 613 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,599 shattering all of this nonsense, you know, like this idea 614 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,159 that you know, there there's no more mystery and you know, 615 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,480 metaphysics is dead and you know, we can explain quantum 616 00:51:27,559 --> 00:51:32,880 reality is just by like appeal to you know, naked 617 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,880 way material quantities and you know things like that like that. 618 00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,800 If that doesn't, you know, make you a man or 619 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,639 woman of faith, you're kind of asleep at the proverbial wheel, 620 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:56,960 you know, and that you know, look at uh in 621 00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:01,159 my own kind of wheelhouse. You know, I'm constantly talking 622 00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:06,079 about how you know, these political scientists who I distingers 623 00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:09,679 from political theorists, like even some of them occasionally come 624 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,639 to correct conclusions, you know, like Meerscheimer. The guys really 625 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,719 something of a simpleton, like this idea that, oh well, 626 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:23,079 structures like the literal structure of political institutions and states. 627 00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:27,800 Not only are these kinds of late modern structures perennial, 628 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:34,599 but the structures themselves dictate political events and either generate 629 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:39,119 or mitigate conflict. Like this is laughable, you know. The 630 00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:45,159 look at what's underway right now with the world situation, 631 00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:54,639 you know, warfare arrives like the seasons, you know, and 632 00:52:55,639 --> 00:53:04,360 owing to nakedly theological imperatives, you know, and uh, even 633 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:11,400 just like the paradigm shifts that you know, we've witnessed 634 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:17,440 in the last twenty years. Really, I positive that it 635 00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:20,559 began around September eleventh, two thousand and one, or at 636 00:53:20,599 --> 00:53:24,079 least in the aftermath. But you know that should give 637 00:53:24,119 --> 00:53:27,639 people pause, even people who consider themselves to be secularists. 638 00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,199 And I mean, if that doesn't, I mean, if you're 639 00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:34,239 your age or my age, like in real time witnessing, 640 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:41,159 you know, sort of the the merphsist Leninist dogma that 641 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:47,039 literally had shaped the twentieth century and been the catalyst, 642 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:54,039 you know, approximate and arguably ultimate for the most catastrophic 643 00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:59,679 conflict in human history. You know it It it fell 644 00:53:59,679 --> 00:54:03,360 to pea pieces as this zeitgeist could no longer abide it. 645 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,639 You know. If that's not the cutting of a reason 646 00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:13,559 writ large, I don't know what is. You know, So 647 00:54:13,679 --> 00:54:22,239 this idea that you know, this school of thought is 648 00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:30,119 somehow an artained curiosity or something of interest only the cloistered, 649 00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,880 aconomically inclined people, you know, who have kind of opted 650 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:41,360 to withdraw from the banality of the day to day 651 00:54:41,639 --> 00:54:44,800 and the political That could not be further from the truth, 652 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:53,199 you know. And if you need another example of this 653 00:54:53,360 --> 00:55:00,239 phenomenon in action, I mean, consider the degree to which 654 00:55:01,079 --> 00:55:05,960 you know, the resurgence Islamic political consciousness has shaped the 655 00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:10,119 last fifty years and continues to do so. Unfortunately, I 656 00:55:10,159 --> 00:55:17,519 think many iterations of that are perverted. But you know 657 00:55:17,639 --> 00:55:23,840 that is an aspect of the the cutting of reason too. 658 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:32,599 There's a German phrase mayor us liebn literally more than life. 659 00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:43,440 You know, that's what's required for life to have any 660 00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:48,400 meaning at all. You know, And this idea, if you want, 661 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:56,599 you know another example of how this relates to practice, Well, 662 00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,440 there you go, you know, strip strip away metaph physics, 663 00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:08,159 and strip away anything transcendental. You know, and and let 664 00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:13,599 me know, you know how that fears in terms of posterity. 665 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,760 You know, the mighty Soviet Union lasted less than a 666 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:25,800 century for that very reason. You know, I was gonna 667 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,920 get into renege or I was gonna get into Joseph 668 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,280 de Meister today, and it seems that time got away 669 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,280 from me. But I feel passionately about this subject matter. 670 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,199 I'll pick up the pace next time, and after part 671 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:44,440 two we can get back to the linear progression of 672 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:49,360 our conninal philosophy series, I promise. And when we return 673 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,440 to that, we'll get into We'll get into live Net's 674 00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:57,519 Spinozza and where this can where this study matter converges 675 00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:05,199 with that, we'll get into ficked up. Schopenhouer needs you, 676 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,320 heide group, and I know that people will be excited 677 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,119 about that because they've been asking me about all that stuff, 678 00:57:12,199 --> 00:57:14,719 and I'm looking forward to it too, And frankly, I 679 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,360 think I have more to contribute on that than on 680 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:21,000 some of these thinkers. Who I mean I minored in philosophy. 681 00:57:21,039 --> 00:57:25,440 I mean I I can speak intelligently on this stuff, 682 00:57:25,519 --> 00:57:28,199 but it's I can speak a hell of a lot 683 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,320 more intelligently on Schopenhauer and Higer than I can't like Livenut, 684 00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,280 spoons and forth that one. But I hope people found 685 00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:35,920 this worthwhile. 686 00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:41,760 Speaker 1: When you get a chance, please give me a reading 687 00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:45,559 list because for this specific subject, because people are going 688 00:57:45,639 --> 00:57:46,119 to ask for that. 689 00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:50,079 Speaker 2: So yeah, man, yeah, yeah, well I'll do so later 690 00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:51,480 it's late tonight or tomorrow. 691 00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:56,239 Speaker 1: Okay, sounds good. All right, Tell everybody where you're at 692 00:57:56,559 --> 00:57:57,800 and where they can find you. 693 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. The best place is that my website, which is 694 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:06,719 almost finished being retooled. You can find all my content. 695 00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,480 There is a feed where like my new podcast appearances 696 00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:13,320 and my own podcasts like pop Up and like other stuff, 697 00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:15,920 and some of my long form writing and some like 698 00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:21,000 video stuff. It's number seven h oomas seven seven seven 699 00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:26,199 dot com. Otherwise hit up my substack. It's real Thomas 700 00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:30,760 seven seven seven at substack dot com. And from there 701 00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,639 you can find like other places where I'm at, like 702 00:58:32,719 --> 00:58:36,400 Instagram and stuff, but those the main places to go. 703 00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:40,800 And like I said, I'm in the process of kind 704 00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:46,079 of retooling my content as generally, but I'm I'm always active. 705 00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:49,079 I'm active every day on substack, and I try and 706 00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:51,679 appear on a few people's pods every week, and I 707 00:58:51,719 --> 00:58:54,559 mean try and do something every day, so you know, yeah, 708 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:56,440 I'm trying to be a busy beaver. 709 00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:00,719 Speaker 1: Man, all right, Thomas, So part two, thank you very much. 710 00:59:01,039 --> 00:59:01,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.