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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's the church is ultimately like the hand

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<v Speaker 1>that feeds that cult. And then underneath that is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we have the Process, we have Best Friends Animal Society,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we have the Satanic Temple. So it's all

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<v Speaker 1>three of those almost like a triangle under these science

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<v Speaker 1>because I think it was in the nineties the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>told ed that there are process files that they have

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<v Speaker 1>and they are in the JFK library and the red

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<v Speaker 1>Pace section and inaccessible whatever that.

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<v Speaker 2>Shop shop h H.

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<v Speaker 1>On the internet. These process folks, they always leave out

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<v Speaker 1>the very extensive history of the processes involvement in prison ministry,

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<v Speaker 1>hospital ministry, et cetera, and children's hospitals. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>that there's something else going on here that's a lot darker.

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<v Speaker 2>Shod Hey, what's up, guys. Welcome to another episode of

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<v Speaker 2>the Noway Jose Podcasts. I will be joined today by

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<v Speaker 2>Dana Dooda of the Rotting Jewels podcast or I guess

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<v Speaker 2>you could say the I'm one with Confused branding as

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<v Speaker 2>well as many show as I have. I guess that's

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<v Speaker 2>the what is the Process podcast? I'm not sure. I

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<v Speaker 2>highly recommend it, though we'll get to that. I'll let

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<v Speaker 2>her dole out her branding. She'll probably do a better

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<v Speaker 2>job of that, but I'm looking forward to having her on.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a while since I've had her on, and

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<v Speaker 2>somehow I don't think I've actually really ever done a

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<v Speaker 2>more process focused episode, although we have other things to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about. Two we did one on Already Dead, as

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<v Speaker 2>you can tell by that intro. That was a edit

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<v Speaker 2>made for us by the old jolly On Kleebold before

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<v Speaker 2>he left off to go to prison. And that'll probably

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<v Speaker 2>want the things we'll talk about today, which is obviously

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunate news. But without any more Ado, let's go ahead

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<v Speaker 2>and get into it. What's up? How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Dan? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Doo dah? Hello, how are you doing? All right? Pleasure

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<v Speaker 2>to have you here. It is weird, as I've had

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<v Speaker 2>three weird major events happen all at once recently. In

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<v Speaker 2>two out of three I think very much concern you, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not very much. You definitely were in the fray.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them was my silly offensive comedy podcast broke

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<v Speaker 2>Up that had nothing to do with you. No, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't care whatever that was like, dudes, Yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 2>the Dude Bros. Podcast. Yeah yeah, yeah, uh but no,

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<v Speaker 2>then they also have the Richard Booth meltdown, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we have the Jolly and Klee Bowl or Tim Tuttle

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever the various names that people call him by.

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<v Speaker 2>I think his name is like Jay West. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I still call him by his ault. I mean, anyone

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<v Speaker 2>could look that up. Now. It's not really dosing him.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean everyone knows. But uh yeah, I mean that

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<v Speaker 2>was bet sad news. I mean, we played that intro.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I know there were a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people who jumped to conclusions. I have no idea at

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<v Speaker 2>this point. Who knows. Maybe he's a fed and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>he's not. I kind of lean towards he's not, but

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I obviously biased and developed a friendship with

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<v Speaker 2>a guy to some degree, so a little bit bomber.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you have any thoughts on that.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it just seemed like it makes sense to

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<v Speaker 2>talk you Bet that while you're here. I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I do. You guys seem to have a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a kinship, so.

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<v Speaker 1>CLIPS like that was awesome that you played the because

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<v Speaker 1>when he made that, I was like, that's awesome because

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<v Speaker 1>I know that, like it's a form of like creativity

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<v Speaker 1>and like expression. So he's one of the first people

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<v Speaker 1>that taught me. I mean, I think it's I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think he was a fed I mean I didn't talk

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<v Speaker 1>to him that much, but I never got that vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>He was pretty straightforward with me. He was mostly interested

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<v Speaker 1>in like the Alex Jones scientology stuff. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I just think it's really crazy that you're he's so

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<v Speaker 1>young and facing life that like you're on X dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with this bullshit, like go and enjoy your life a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, you know, like and I just but I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you never know. I mean maybe he was

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<v Speaker 1>a you know, violent person. Maybe he wasn't. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just I don't know. There's a bit of cognitive

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<v Speaker 1>dissonance there.

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<v Speaker 2>I just said.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't blame you. I think you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>having a friendship with him, I think your normal. Your

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<v Speaker 1>reaction was totally fair.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it is a whatever. It's eye opening. He's

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<v Speaker 2>just a bummer losing people in this sphere. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea about the guilt or black thereof

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't. As I've said many times, he could be

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<v Speaker 2>guilty as hell, and I still see it as a

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<v Speaker 2>sad waste, you know either way. So I'm so, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it is what it is. I mean, I'm sure maybe

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<v Speaker 2>we'll find out more to come, but all right, let's talk.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess a little bit about the Richard Booth thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I saw you jumped in the middle of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I don't know if maybe you're friends with

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<v Speaker 2>Wendy or something. It seems like you did kind of

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<v Speaker 2>knee jerk jump in. I had stayed out at that

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<v Speaker 2>point because, for one, I had no idea I had

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<v Speaker 2>seen him freaking out, but I did the fuck really,

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<v Speaker 2>I just kind of like I got my own shit

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<v Speaker 2>going on. You're like, You're like, it's like I obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like I need to take a moment in process

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<v Speaker 2>whatever the hell is going over here. And I saw you,

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<v Speaker 2>and then then within like a day or so, the

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<v Speaker 2>flat came my way because I had the gall like

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<v Speaker 2>you did, to say something. So I know, this is

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<v Speaker 2>this show right now is Paywalt's is gonna go out

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<v Speaker 2>weeks later. But I do feel like it's worth mentioning

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<v Speaker 2>because I did do a whole episode because I got

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<v Speaker 2>accused of little I don't know if you followed along

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<v Speaker 2>with all this, and I don't expect you to or not.

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<v Speaker 2>I jumped into the middle of this, essentially with Richard

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<v Speaker 2>in his weird meltdown and said something like since she

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<v Speaker 2>was threatening to beat up Ken Silva, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>just like, hey man, what are we doing here? This

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<v Speaker 2>is silly, And then he started to beat me up

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<v Speaker 2>and the next thing you know, he's accusing me of

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<v Speaker 2>rape and soft doxing me. So I don't know, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I don't know if you felt fallow along

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<v Speaker 2>with all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I missed some of it. I missed some of it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I watched her live where you were talking about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was just like, oh, so, like Booth has

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<v Speaker 1>completely gone off the rails, because like I've I've talked

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<v Speaker 1>to doctor Painting. She's super nice, super smart lady, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I am not familiar with like most of

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<v Speaker 1>the lore of the stuff that's happened between them, and

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<v Speaker 1>quite frankly, I don't really care.

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<v Speaker 2>I That's kind of where I was. Yeah, I like,

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<v Speaker 2>I was aware of it cursory, but I stay out

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<v Speaker 2>of it, like whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>It was acting like a psycho though the stuff he

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<v Speaker 1>was saying, and I'm like Okay, I see like other

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<v Speaker 1>accounts that, presumably how they present themselves, would identify as male.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I'm like, where are the bitches standing up

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<v Speaker 1>for Doctor Painting?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's why I said something, because I'm like, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>you you just you sound unhinged and like you're making

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<v Speaker 1>these veiled threats. And this reminds me. It reminded me

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<v Speaker 1>so much of like the Son of Sam, sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like research Millu where people just like make threats and like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to withhold this or I'm going to share

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<v Speaker 1>all of this research, and it's like, what is that

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<v Speaker 1>doing for the topic that you guys have all worked

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<v Speaker 1>so hard on? Like you're taking away from that over

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<v Speaker 1>personal gripes and bringing up like people's you know, private

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<v Speaker 1>intimate things that whatever your feelings are about it or not,

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<v Speaker 1>it's nobody else's business, you know what I'm saying. And

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<v Speaker 1>he admitted what he did. I saw those DMS, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was when I determined my feelings about him as

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<v Speaker 1>far as him being inappropriate it with Doctor Painting's son.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was like, I'm good, but yeah, that was

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<v Speaker 1>really crazy. And what he accused you of was a

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<v Speaker 1>huge escalation I was like, Wow, this escalated really quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which I mean in retrospect. I mean, part of

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<v Speaker 2>the reason why I bring this up is because while

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<v Speaker 2>I know this, we're in a weird time. Vault is

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<v Speaker 2>going to go out later, so I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>the status of things will be later. But oh, currently,

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<v Speaker 2>right now, I don't assume you'd be paying attention to this,

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<v Speaker 2>the status of all this. But he's back on substack,

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<v Speaker 2>posting as if nothing ever happened, like research articles, which

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<v Speaker 2>is great, I guess whatever. I mean, there's no drama,

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<v Speaker 2>no nothing in him. I've read them some good research

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<v Speaker 2>from three h two, so I'm like, okay. But at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, it's like I kinda gotta be like

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<v Speaker 2>that's I know, just let it and be known, because

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<v Speaker 2>I've had people, for one they're like, hey, that's out there,

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's insane. This is a multi day spree of

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<v Speaker 2>this and then just back into reality like nothing happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think at the very least it's worthwhile to

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<v Speaker 2>mention that so people are aware. I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to even want I mean, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>of all received an apology or even if I get one.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess my point is just the kind of person

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<v Speaker 2>that behaves like this a little sketched out, so I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, just I feel like I'm almost obligated to

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<v Speaker 2>let the world know that kind of where things are.

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<v Speaker 2>There has no at least there hasn't been apologies, and

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<v Speaker 2>if there has been, at this time, it's still kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like this is a gigantic, glaring red flag. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hoping anyone who, if he's in any sort of

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<v Speaker 2>position to have any sort of monopoly on any research,

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully that gets quick fixed, real fucking quick.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, this would be the time to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>address that situation because it's again, it's like not even

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<v Speaker 1>a personal thing. It's like, look at how quickly flips

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<v Speaker 1>on a dime towards people and doesn't control his emotions.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just I personally, you know, I know that

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<v Speaker 1>there was some discussion about you know, possible substance use

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<v Speaker 1>legal you know, substance use, but I'm still pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>Clear he's drunk some sort of crash out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's not excuse. I mean, it's a.

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<v Speaker 1>Multi day thing. It makes you lie ability, especially with

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<v Speaker 1>some of the subjects that you're discussing it puts other

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<v Speaker 1>people at risk as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. Yeah, no, uh so, I just think it's worthwhile

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<v Speaker 2>being thrown out there that that is a thing, so

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<v Speaker 2>be aware. I don't know, it's honestly just bizarre that

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<v Speaker 2>that's a thing. And then I also just kind of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It's kind of a shame because I

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<v Speaker 2>have gotten to know Wendy lately more through this. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>already kind of touch base and developed her relationship a

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<v Speaker 2>little before then because I started covering some of her

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<v Speaker 2>recent threads she's been putting out for research. I've been

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<v Speaker 2>making episodes out of those, and so we've kind of

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<v Speaker 2>she's been giving me feedback when being kind of going

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<v Speaker 2>very much a research guy. But there were these whisper

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<v Speaker 2>the other things she's acclaimed about Wendy, which I feel

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<v Speaker 2>weird bringing up but she's claimed over and over again

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<v Speaker 2>this is not true to me, and like, which whateverson?

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<v Speaker 2>It was like whatever, I mean, that's a whole separate discussion,

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<v Speaker 2>but why the fuck is that even coming up? But

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<v Speaker 2>like she's claiming complete, one hundred percent not true, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's relevant to bring up now because I

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<v Speaker 2>can tell you mean obviously once again the joke of

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<v Speaker 2>that whole stream I put the step brothers, I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>not a raper. It's like, what do you say to

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<v Speaker 2>being accused of rape other than I'm so not a raper?

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<v Speaker 2>But we have two people here at least that are

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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you are these are things I recall him

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<v Speaker 2>mentioning in DMS. Before that, I just kind of just

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<v Speaker 2>care about some adult man's drama. Okay, all right, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of cool man, you know whatever. Didn't get it, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know you does. It does kind of color your

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<v Speaker 2>Why are the why am I jumping in? Where are

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<v Speaker 2>the dudes, why you're all being bitches And it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>none of us really had that sort of rapport, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>like I had no idea what's going on. So, if anything,

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<v Speaker 2>my bias was towards Richard, although I will be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>the more that I dug into some of the lore,

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<v Speaker 2>the more I'm like, I don't know if you want

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<v Speaker 2>me to keep digging, buddy, So maybe you shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>trying to claw this out to the surface. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>look so good. So like, I don't know, I'll give

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<v Speaker 2>you a great, big, huge benefit of the doubt because

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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty wildly strong accusations. But when you act like

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<v Speaker 2>this and when you get accused of something insane and

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<v Speaker 2>you go I'm gonna take my ball home and no

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<v Speaker 2>one else gonna have my ball ever again, or ever

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<v Speaker 2>have balls, I don't know, it kind of makes you

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<v Speaker 1>It was behavior was very telling. I was like, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not helping your case at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I don't know. I mean, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>the truth, but I just want that to be known

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<v Speaker 2>out there that it's multiple people have reached out I

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<v Speaker 2>just felt like maybe you had some sort of inside

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<v Speaker 2>information or something else, some other angle to this, because

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<v Speaker 2>you were one of the first people jump in. So

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, okay, but hey, we brought it up,

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<v Speaker 2>and I also I keep me in to bring it

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<v Speaker 2>up my morning show, and I keep forgetting too, so hey,

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<v Speaker 2>here was a good time to bring it up to Like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I know he's out there. I'm aware. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll probably even still cover his research if he has

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<v Speaker 2>good research, but I mean it's probably always gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>with a caveat of like, don't develop any relationships with

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<v Speaker 2>this man.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm definitely not a raper.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm definitely not a raper. But I guess with that,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get into some actual, real, substantive Although that is substantive,

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<v Speaker 2>it does affect real research, but it is silly drama

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time. But we have had a crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>frankly crazy past what like seventy two hours and especially

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<v Speaker 2>the past two weeks. I know you're not really You're

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<v Speaker 2>more in the parapolitical world. I kind of dabble in

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<v Speaker 2>both political analysis and parapolitical But part of the reason

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<v Speaker 2>why I dabble in both is because they kind of are.

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<v Speaker 2>Really there's really not much of a huge difference. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's obviously differences, but point being is like one's theory,

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<v Speaker 2>one's application. You're like, Okay, government's evil, there's theory, here's

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<v Speaker 2>all the evil shit they do. Here's application, there's parapolitics.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know you linger more in the pair of politics,

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<v Speaker 2>but we've had some wild shit going on, and you

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<v Speaker 2>cover what I especially actually the more you dig into it,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's one of these things when you start digging

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<v Speaker 2>into the process, you think it's just like inconsequential weird

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<v Speaker 2>maybe ooh, maybe you know, had some minor influences on

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, the music scene or this or that,

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<v Speaker 2>and but the more you dig into it, you're the

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<v Speaker 2>more like, holy fucking shit, and you're like, point being,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so kind of what I'm driving out here. We're

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<v Speaker 2>in this weird time right now, Like I've we're in

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<v Speaker 2>this weird time where I'm not gonna get in the

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<v Speaker 2>ins and outs the specific things going on, but there

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<v Speaker 2>is clearly hidden hands happening. There are things, there are

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<v Speaker 2>decisions being made, and clearly the the whys are being obscured,

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<v Speaker 2>the forces that drive them to make certain decisions, certain

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<v Speaker 2>ways are being obscured, and I think that is super

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<v Speaker 2>prescient when one talks about something like the process. So

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<v Speaker 2>I just kind of wanted to get your thoughts. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, I know when I mean, especially since I've

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<v Speaker 2>gotten so into like things like OGM, slade bombing, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>always driving parallels or ways to connect this to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just kind of wondering, have you had any thoughts?

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<v Speaker 2>Has anything really come to the mind with all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, hell, obviously kind of the biggest thing I

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<v Speaker 2>think I'd probably be driving as a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>RFK connections and stuff, but just generally speaking, just thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>about just kind of just in general the world, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean kind of open wherever you want to go with that.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's I think there's probably a lot of different threads.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know if you want to tie into

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<v Speaker 2>research or not. But I'm just kind of curious where

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<v Speaker 2>you're at with all this because it is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>there are clearly hidden forces at play here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, I mean I think with the process, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of why I try to reiterate the point

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<v Speaker 1>is that you know it's directly connected to Scientology. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Scientology is the big umbrella, and especially you know with

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<v Speaker 1>this administration, there are a lot of Scientology ties to

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<v Speaker 1>this administration, including Pam Bondi. You know, she's been getting

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<v Speaker 1>funding from Scientology and has been promoted by Scientology since

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<v Speaker 1>I think like two thousand and nine. That's a really

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<v Speaker 1>long time, and she's known that they were the ones

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<v Speaker 1>who were supporting her, who were platforming her, and people say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you have to be in a Scientology publication

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that to be a scientologist. What the

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<v Speaker 1>public doesn't really know is that there's the free zone scientologists.

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<v Speaker 1>There's the independent Scientology movement, like there's all these separate

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<v Speaker 1>movements along with the Process, the Satanic Temple and best Friends,

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<v Speaker 1>where all of these people, if I'm getting money from them,

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<v Speaker 1>you can guarantee that I'm being ordained by the church.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm speaking on behalf of their interests, right, And that's

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing with RFK teaming up with them back

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty one. But also he was working with

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<v Speaker 1>a law firm that was run by scientologists and staffed

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<v Speaker 1>with only scientologists. One can safely assume then that RFK

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<v Speaker 1>is also a scientologist. And this is when he's in California, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I got back. I could slow you down real

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<v Speaker 2>quick because when I said RFK, I meant senior. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I missed some notes. I was not aware of the

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<v Speaker 2>junior implications. So just just rehash that real quick, because

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<v Speaker 2>I was getting at the senior stuff, you know, all

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<v Speaker 2>the application because you know what I mean, Excuse the

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<v Speaker 2>fuck out of me?

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<v Speaker 3>What like do the DJ rewind said, no, I'm talking

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<v Speaker 3>about RFK junior, all right, like he's balls deep in scientology.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm not surprised, neither of my.

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<v Speaker 1>So he I cannot remember the name of the law firm,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was around the time I want to say

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<v Speaker 1>it was the big pr move. I want to say

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<v Speaker 1>twenty ten, maybe a little bit earlier, when Lewis Ferricahon

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<v Speaker 1>teamed up with David Muscavage and the Nation of Islam

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<v Speaker 1>was making their big merger with the Church of Scientology,

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<v Speaker 1>because they're completely merged now. But RFK was heavily involved

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<v Speaker 1>in that. In the law firm that he was working

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<v Speaker 1>at at that time was founded by scientologists and only

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<v Speaker 1>staffed with scientologists. Now obviously Rfk's thing, and there is

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<v Speaker 1>a discussion to be had. I agree about vaccines, but

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<v Speaker 1>there were former members of NI who said that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they were basically targeting, you know, the minority community, specifically

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<v Speaker 1>using vaccines as emotional leverage and forcing dianetics on these people,

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<v Speaker 1>because it came out in the wikileak stuff about ferri

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<v Speaker 1>Con saying, you know, you're not going to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to succeed in NI unless you go clear. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to achieve the level of clear. And they've been preaching

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Hubbard's beliefs and child auditors auditing adults, which

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<v Speaker 1>is just a whole other, really dark thing. But then

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty one, specifically, RFK launched his own initiative

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<v Speaker 1>where he was teaming up with the Church of Scientology

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<v Speaker 1>for like GMO activis, vaccine awareness activism, all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then like I said, you know, Pam Bondi her

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<v Speaker 1>ties to Scientology, I think that's really weird. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the wealthiest scientologists in the UK, his name is John Mappham.

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<v Speaker 1>He lives in a giant castle and he is one

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<v Speaker 1>of Trump's biggest supporters. And this dude literally waves a

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<v Speaker 1>Kia on it. This dude has a QAnon castle and

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<v Speaker 1>he freaking loves Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm. That's that's funny. While I was thinking today, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like spinning on Q and like kind of parallel

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<v Speaker 2>that was actually one of the ELM threads I was

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<v Speaker 2>thinking of, Like how to connect it to modern day

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<v Speaker 2>events is Q because it's like, you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the implications of the process is

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of like almost this I don't know undergirding

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<v Speaker 2>like system from which maybe other cults can sort of

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<v Speaker 2>spread off of or something like that, so like, and

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of and it's also like kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>the ultimate kind of driving ideas. This is some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like I don't know, like intel whatever the fuck,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't know, I'm losing being a retard right here.

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<v Speaker 2>Not think of the word I mean, but you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean, Like it's some sort of Navy intel

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<v Speaker 2>operation of sorts. It's some sort of religious methodology to

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<v Speaker 2>spread beliefs. And yeah, dude, these multifaceted there's so many

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<v Speaker 2>different things you can do with it. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>were looking for a modern equivalent or you know, or

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<v Speaker 2>a modern iteration of it, you know, on like a

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<v Speaker 2>grand stage, especially if you're looking at like it from

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<v Speaker 2>the perspective of you know, the hid in hand and

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<v Speaker 2>the powers that be. Not much better to look at

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<v Speaker 2>than something like qu I guess have you seen much

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<v Speaker 2>of there? I mean, obviously we just kind of is

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<v Speaker 2>there something to that or is that just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>their pair? Obviously just mentioned the guy in the castle,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean, I don't know, it seems yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>There is absolutely something to it. So I see Q

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<v Speaker 1>as like sort of almost like gamifying that concept with

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<v Speaker 1>you know, AC cult, because obviously you're not having all

416
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<v Speaker 1>these people come and get independently audited, right, They're not

417
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<v Speaker 1>all like sitting at a room chanting some of them

418
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<v Speaker 1>maybe who the hell knows, I don't want to know,

419
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<v Speaker 1>but I think that, you know, having it online kind

420
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<v Speaker 1>of gamifies it. And the reason somebody had tagged me

421
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<v Speaker 1>in a post that John Mappin had posted, And this

422
00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:52.359
<v Speaker 1>is a narrative that a lot of Q people push,

423
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<v Speaker 1>and I think that it's really bizarre, but it also

424
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<v Speaker 1>makes sense and speaks to what you're saying. Is you

425
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<v Speaker 1>know that l Ron Hubbard was like when the first

426
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<v Speaker 1>ones to expose the deep state, right because the church

427
00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:07.599
<v Speaker 1>pushes the narrative that Jack Parsons when he was doing

428
00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:10.559
<v Speaker 1>his Babylon working, that l Ron Hubbard was definitely not

429
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<v Speaker 1>getting freaky with Parsons out in the desert. He was

430
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<v Speaker 1>sent there as a covert operation to like shut it down.

431
00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:19.839
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't him and Marjorie Cameron, you know, Honey Potten

432
00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:23.480
<v Speaker 1>and Honey dick in him and getting him killed. And

433
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<v Speaker 1>then you know, the same thing with operations snow white,

434
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<v Speaker 1>like they try to paint that as scientology got into

435
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<v Speaker 1>the government and they exposed all of the holes and

436
00:22:31.400 --> 00:22:33.920
<v Speaker 1>the weaknesses and blah blah blah blah, and it's like, well,

437
00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:36.920
<v Speaker 1>there's a little bit of truth to that, but there's

438
00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:39.319
<v Speaker 1>also a lot of other elements there, and that's a

439
00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:42.519
<v Speaker 1>limited hangout within itself. So I think that there is

440
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<v Speaker 1>a lot of parallels, and people are really pushing the

441
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<v Speaker 1>Hubbard thing as of late. I mean people have also

442
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<v Speaker 1>been I've seen people sharing videos of Tom Cruise like, oh,

443
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<v Speaker 1>like what if Tom Cruise is right about you know, X,

444
00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Y and Z, And it's like, oh, how quickly we

445
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<v Speaker 1>forget that he was jumping on Oprah's couch acting like

446
00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:07.720
<v Speaker 1>a complete fucking psycho like and but that's scientology. It's

447
00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:11.599
<v Speaker 1>David Miscavige. He's basically his pony boy. So why is

448
00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:14.119
<v Speaker 1>David putting him out here in the public eye. That's

449
00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:17.279
<v Speaker 1>my question, you know, is why is David trotting him

450
00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:19.359
<v Speaker 1>out right now? Because that's really suspicious to me.

451
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<v Speaker 2>Uh One. One question I was thinking earlier because you

452
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<v Speaker 2>were you mentioned the Nation of Islam and kind of

453
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<v Speaker 2>linking up with different groups, and it reminded me, I mean,

454
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<v Speaker 2>especially in my research and the you know, the okay

455
00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:34.319
<v Speaker 2>see the racist right whatever, there were lots of talks

456
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<v Speaker 2>around the nineties of linking up with like say, Christian

457
00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:40.880
<v Speaker 2>identity movements, probably with probably the closest intagram I guess

458
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<v Speaker 2>they're but you know, I guess more like a Aryan nations,

459
00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:47.559
<v Speaker 2>different different racist groups. We're talking about pairing up with

460
00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:49.799
<v Speaker 2>Nation of Islam because obviously it makes sense like they're

461
00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:52.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's as silly as it is, like hey,

462
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:55.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm racist, you're racist. Let's be racist together. Like so,

463
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it makes sense. And so I'm kind of curious,

464
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<v Speaker 2>have you I've seen anything, because Christian identity is something

465
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<v Speaker 2>I still haven't completely wrapped my head around. It's just

466
00:24:05.319 --> 00:24:08.599
<v Speaker 2>such a wacky, kooky sort of thing. I'm just kind

467
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<v Speaker 2>of curious. Have you seen anything in the realm of

468
00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:15.440
<v Speaker 2>the process influencing Christian identity, because it does, I mean,

469
00:24:15.440 --> 00:24:17.079
<v Speaker 2>it still can't get a great It doesn't seem to

470
00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:19.759
<v Speaker 2>have too many parallels, to be honest, But I haven't

471
00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:23.319
<v Speaker 2>dug enough into it to really see any symbolism or

472
00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:26.680
<v Speaker 2>anything particular about Christian identity that stands out, But so

473
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<v Speaker 2>far as the realm of spooky glowy stuff and then religions,

474
00:24:31.640 --> 00:24:33.559
<v Speaker 2>it kind of has it there. But I just didn't

475
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<v Speaker 2>know if there's anything else you've ever seen, because I

476
00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:38.880
<v Speaker 2>don't know it would make sense, I guess, But if not,

477
00:24:39.200 --> 00:24:40.319
<v Speaker 2>whatever that makes sense too.

478
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<v Speaker 1>I can't think of anything off the top of my head.

479
00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:47.319
<v Speaker 1>But to be fair, I'm still drowning in the Manson timeline.

480
00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:51.759
<v Speaker 1>Now they do get into like the tent Revival movement,

481
00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:54.759
<v Speaker 1>which is going to have some Christian identity. It's also

482
00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:57.400
<v Speaker 1>going to have a lot of the sort of New

483
00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Thought movement, which is more like the Jones thing, the

484
00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:04.319
<v Speaker 1>Jim Jones thing that also has a lot of Christian

485
00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:07.200
<v Speaker 1>identity to it, because a lot of that is, you know,

486
00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:10.920
<v Speaker 1>a racist ideology mixed with you know, tent revival, faith

487
00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:13.160
<v Speaker 1>healing all of that, because the process was doing the

488
00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:15.680
<v Speaker 1>faith healing stuff too, like the laying of hands and

489
00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:18.839
<v Speaker 1>casting out you know, cancer or whatever. And I'm sure

490
00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:20.960
<v Speaker 1>that they were well, I don't know if they would

491
00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:24.400
<v Speaker 1>be using animal guts since they love animals. I'm not

492
00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:26.880
<v Speaker 1>quite sure how they would sess that out with the public,

493
00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:30.359
<v Speaker 1>but they were involved in the same thing. So and yes,

494
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean obviously the extremist movements, you know, like Nazi groups,

495
00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:38.319
<v Speaker 1>extreme white right wing sort of fascist groups. That is

496
00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:41.359
<v Speaker 1>part of their belief system, so that tracks. And then also,

497
00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:44.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's this weird thing with you know, a

498
00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:47.119
<v Speaker 1>lot of scientologists think that you know, because they believe

499
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:50.480
<v Speaker 1>in past lives, right, and they're audited about their past lives.

500
00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:53.480
<v Speaker 1>A lot of them think that they were SS officers

501
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:56.200
<v Speaker 1>in their past life. So there's a lot of weird

502
00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:57.160
<v Speaker 1>Nazi stuff there.

503
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<v Speaker 2>Now, I guess to get into I guess symbolism bridging

504
00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:05.599
<v Speaker 2>from one thing to the other. I've kind of, I

505
00:26:05.640 --> 00:26:07.599
<v Speaker 2>guess a side bar a little thing that I've been

506
00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:09.599
<v Speaker 2>interested in as a lately, as kind of temple of

507
00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:12.160
<v Speaker 2>set and a kino and things of that like and

508
00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:15.359
<v Speaker 2>there seems to be tie ins here and it seems

509
00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:18.119
<v Speaker 2>like I mean, when it comes to the Kino ideology,

510
00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:22.559
<v Speaker 2>uh it is you know set it's like kind of

511
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:25.000
<v Speaker 2>religion kind of not I got into it a little bit.

512
00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:27.359
<v Speaker 2>It's like sort of this worship of self. You could

513
00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:30.680
<v Speaker 2>say they kind of woo woo the concept of the self.

514
00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:33.759
<v Speaker 2>There is a I mean, they do get into the

515
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:36.039
<v Speaker 2>idea of I think there's some like youngyin shadow type

516
00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:38.240
<v Speaker 2>shit in there which kind of comes up a lot too.

517
00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:41.119
<v Speaker 2>You see that and look with a concepts like of

518
00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Braxis when it comes to like the good and the

519
00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:45.599
<v Speaker 2>evil that you see sometimes as well you get from

520
00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:48.079
<v Speaker 2>what I forget is I think they have three deities

521
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:50.759
<v Speaker 2>in a process. Right, technically it's like Lucifer, Jesus and

522
00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Satan or something.

523
00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:55.200
<v Speaker 1>So it's Christ, Lucifer, Jehovah and Satan.

524
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But either way, there's there's sort of different representations

525
00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:02.400
<v Speaker 2>of like kind of essentially yblism of like different sides

526
00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:04.880
<v Speaker 2>of oneself. It's kind of the young in shadow thing,

527
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:07.480
<v Speaker 2>the concept which which there is truth to it in

528
00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:09.720
<v Speaker 2>a philosophical sense, I think, and the idea of like

529
00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:11.480
<v Speaker 2>incorporating your shadow. We all kind of have a dark

530
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:13.119
<v Speaker 2>side to us. You should be aware of it to

531
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:16.920
<v Speaker 2>be able to mitigate it. But I think sometimes almost

532
00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:19.960
<v Speaker 2>the message that we get from some of these spooky

533
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:23.000
<v Speaker 2>things is like, oh, you incorporate your shadow as in

534
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:26.720
<v Speaker 2>like kind of embrace it or something which can have

535
00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:31.079
<v Speaker 2>some dark, dark implications. So I guess what I'm kind

536
00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:33.000
<v Speaker 2>of driving at here is if you make the jump

537
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:35.480
<v Speaker 2>from the ideology of the Temple of Set, is there,

538
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:38.960
<v Speaker 2>like do you see like is you see like them

539
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:41.720
<v Speaker 2>coming from obviously they came from scientology, but even then

540
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:43.640
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of like it's almost like when you get

541
00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:45.480
<v Speaker 2>down the base, like are we looking at like kabala shit,

542
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.400
<v Speaker 2>where like one thing goes to the other, Like, I know,

543
00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:51.119
<v Speaker 2>any any thoughts there because obviously the Temple of Set,

544
00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:53.279
<v Speaker 2>I know you have in your research set it kind

545
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:55.759
<v Speaker 2>of links in and let's be real, to some degree,

546
00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:58.359
<v Speaker 2>we're kind of pushing at that these are sort of

547
00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:02.079
<v Speaker 2>fake cults. Essentially, These are almost like a lattices is

548
00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:05.440
<v Speaker 2>a belief upon which they build off of, almost like

549
00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:07.559
<v Speaker 2>cargo cults kind of like, oh, move on to the

550
00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:11.200
<v Speaker 2>next thing. So yeah, I don't just just any thoughts

551
00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:13.319
<v Speaker 2>on that just like the connection where they bridge from

552
00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:15.160
<v Speaker 2>one belief system to the other. And then I guess

553
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:16.680
<v Speaker 2>also the kind of the Quino connection.

554
00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:21.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so the process. Reportedly, I have not been able

555
00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:23.960
<v Speaker 1>to find proof, but a former member stated and ads

556
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:27.559
<v Speaker 1>files that there was an inner circle called the Holy

557
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:33.839
<v Speaker 1>Egyptsy Holy Egyptian Family, which apparently worship Set also, And

558
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:39.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's there's narratives that go around about, you know,

559
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:43.519
<v Speaker 1>did a Quino really worship Set? You know, did he

560
00:28:43.640 --> 00:28:48.559
<v Speaker 1>worship this sort of you know, dark deity, this Satanic loo,

561
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:51.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, whatever you want to call it, Satanic evil deity,

562
00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:54.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, because it is supposed to represent darkness. And

563
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:57.640
<v Speaker 1>when you read his books about the Temple of Set,

564
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:01.720
<v Speaker 1>and when you're reading interviews from Lilith back in the

565
00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:04.519
<v Speaker 1>day and interviews from him, they took it very seriously.

566
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:06.880
<v Speaker 1>So why should we assume that they were lying? Right,

567
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:10.599
<v Speaker 1>Like now, Nicholas Shrek is out here saying basically what

568
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Aquino said about Anton Levey, that Aquino was a charlatan

569
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:16.519
<v Speaker 1>and you know, he was a con man. Now, look,

570
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:18.359
<v Speaker 1>I think that all of these guys are conment I

571
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:20.240
<v Speaker 1>think that you have to be in order to be

572
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:23.000
<v Speaker 1>in this position to an extent, but that doesn't mean

573
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:25.720
<v Speaker 1>that they didn't believe it. And I don't accept this

574
00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:30.279
<v Speaker 1>whole like historical revisionism. I think that it's complete trash.

575
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.640
<v Speaker 1>As far as you know, there's been some weird commentary

576
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:37.519
<v Speaker 1>from Aquino about the process, which I think is kind

577
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:40.519
<v Speaker 1>of shady, like him dissing the process and saying that,

578
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:43.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, they're making the Satanists look bad, and I'm like, well,

579
00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:46.200
<v Speaker 1>where would you get that from? And part of my

580
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:51.079
<v Speaker 1>suspicion is that him and David Berkowitz were both stationed

581
00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:54.079
<v Speaker 1>at I believe it was Fort Knox at the same time.

582
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:59.200
<v Speaker 1>They were there for quite a while, and Aquino was

583
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:03.920
<v Speaker 1>actually setting up that location's Church of Satan with his

584
00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:06.880
<v Speaker 1>first wife, who was a Mormon. Uh, he was setting

585
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:09.079
<v Speaker 1>it up there with her. So I'm like, did David

586
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:11.960
<v Speaker 1>and Aquino spend time together? Because I just don't really

587
00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:15.720
<v Speaker 1>see that as happenstance. That's kind of weird. And then

588
00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:19.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, with scientology, just thinking about you know, a

589
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:23.319
<v Speaker 1>Quino and psychological warfare and you know, advanced technology things

590
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:27.160
<v Speaker 1>like that. You know, scientology is heavily involved in remote viewing.

591
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:30.599
<v Speaker 1>They were heavily involved in the Stanford Research Institute. I

592
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:34.880
<v Speaker 1>mean that is, you know, getting into mind war literally,

593
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:36.839
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. I think that there is

594
00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:39.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of crossover there. I just don't think that

595
00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:41.400
<v Speaker 1>a Queeno's been dead long enough. I think that we

596
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:44.680
<v Speaker 1>have to wait for more information to come out. Quite frankly,

597
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:46.480
<v Speaker 1>what's that?

598
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:49.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, are you speaking on the genuine the degree

599
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:50.799
<v Speaker 2>to which he was genuine in his beliefs? Is that

600
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:52.440
<v Speaker 2>that you're no.

601
00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:54.920
<v Speaker 1>I would like to see like all of his records,

602
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.559
<v Speaker 1>like as far as his military records. I think that

603
00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:00.480
<v Speaker 1>that would be really helpful because obviously, you know, I

604
00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:04.319
<v Speaker 1>think he was pretty braggadocious about certain things, and it

605
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:06.480
<v Speaker 1>would just be nice to be able to see all

606
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:08.160
<v Speaker 1>of his records because I mean, most of what we

607
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:10.240
<v Speaker 1>have in his FBI file is the stuff about the

608
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:13.519
<v Speaker 1>Presidio investigation, and a lot of that stuff has redacted.

609
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, I recently covered they dropped some new

610
00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:19.440
<v Speaker 2>files and I'm not sure if there was like a

611
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:21.759
<v Speaker 2>little brochure in there because I'm not going to really

612
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:23.680
<v Speaker 2>read his whole whole fucking book in his philosophy, I

613
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:24.319
<v Speaker 2>don't care that much.

614
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:25.680
<v Speaker 1>It's a horrible.

615
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, but he wrote, like in the recent docs that

616
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:30.960
<v Speaker 2>came out, there was like a pamphlet that was probably

617
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:33.680
<v Speaker 2>ten to twenty pages. It goes over the belief and

618
00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:36.559
<v Speaker 2>at least I kind of did an episode breaking it down.

619
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:38.880
<v Speaker 2>And the way I interpret it is like you could

620
00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:42.039
<v Speaker 2>interpret this. It really very much was open to interpretation,

621
00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:46.240
<v Speaker 2>sort of whether you wanted to see set as like

622
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:48.839
<v Speaker 2>some sort of metaphor or something, because it very much

623
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<v Speaker 2>seemed to be some sort of like stand in for

624
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:54.680
<v Speaker 2>the concept of self. So you're worshiping self, but it's like,

625
00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:58.200
<v Speaker 2>but if I call self a god and you're like,

626
00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:02.319
<v Speaker 2>that's so, it's like it's almost like they're cloaking, cloaking

627
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:04.519
<v Speaker 2>what's not really woo woo and woo woo language is

628
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<v Speaker 2>how it appeared to me. But it also could just

629
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<v Speaker 2>be woo woo and I'm being I'm being a cynic.

630
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:11.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. So that's that's the why I interpreted it.

631
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<v Speaker 1>I think that that's a good point to bring up,

632
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.359
<v Speaker 1>because the process did the same thing. They would be like,

633
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:19.759
<v Speaker 1>we don't really worship these deities. We identify these as

634
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<v Speaker 1>personality types, and we think that everybody inherently has this

635
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:27.240
<v Speaker 1>personality type. But then when you read, like especially Timothy Wiley,

636
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:29.920
<v Speaker 1>all of his you know, twenty books that are completely

637
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.880
<v Speaker 1>miserable to read, and you read their inner stuff, they

638
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:36.319
<v Speaker 1>do absolutely worship these deities. So I think that they're

639
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:37.920
<v Speaker 1>just talking out of two sides of their mouth, and

640
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:39.720
<v Speaker 1>I think that that's what most of these cults do.

641
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Hundred percent. Yeah, and I do think like it is

642
00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:44.119
<v Speaker 2>like talking about both sides. But it's also like the

643
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:47.119
<v Speaker 2>concept of the occult. Sometimes it really is like if

644
00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:48.920
<v Speaker 2>you know what they're saying, they're kind of saying it all.

645
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:52.160
<v Speaker 2>So it's like, yeah, maybe even two followers and everything,

646
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:54.720
<v Speaker 2>they're like, oh, yeah, set this that. But it's like, Okay,

647
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:56.640
<v Speaker 2>I've been telling you the truth the whole time. You

648
00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:59.640
<v Speaker 2>just chose to interpret it this way, so, which is

649
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:02.359
<v Speaker 2>honestly kind of the ultimate trick. It's like the concept

650
00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:04.839
<v Speaker 2>we always hear about in conspiracy circles. Though you have

651
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:06.720
<v Speaker 2>to consent, like you have to agree to it. So

652
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:09.440
<v Speaker 2>it's like if you're some dude wearing gay little robes

653
00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:11.759
<v Speaker 2>in the desert and like you fell for this trick

654
00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:13.400
<v Speaker 2>and then come to find out it was all bs,

655
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:14.920
<v Speaker 2>it's like, yeah, that's what we were telling you the

656
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.799
<v Speaker 2>entire time. You just chose to believe this meant some

657
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:20.640
<v Speaker 2>other crazy shit because that's what you wanted to believe, apparently,

658
00:33:21.240 --> 00:33:23.039
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know that would honestly kind of be

659
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:25.880
<v Speaker 2>the most genius way to look at it, really, all right.

660
00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:27.559
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to take, for I guess the second half

661
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:29.039
<v Speaker 2>of this. I wanted to take a moment and kind

662
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:31.960
<v Speaker 2>of with the process back up and I guess kind

663
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:34.119
<v Speaker 2>of cover the stuff that, like, I know, people like

664
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:36.839
<v Speaker 2>me almost are like, well, it's almost too far gone

665
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:39.599
<v Speaker 2>to even ask. I feel too dumb to even ask now,

666
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:41.920
<v Speaker 2>But uh, we'll just pretend it's for the audience and

667
00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:43.880
<v Speaker 2>not me some of this basic stuff that I never

668
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:48.000
<v Speaker 2>really covered that maybe they would like to know, kind

669
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:49.640
<v Speaker 2>of like when you ask a new guy at worked,

670
00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:51.319
<v Speaker 2>like I told me how this works, and you try

671
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:52.839
<v Speaker 2>to act like you're training him, when really you're like,

672
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:59.799
<v Speaker 2>I fucking forgot. So yeah, I just kind of basics

673
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:02.160
<v Speaker 2>what I know. There are a few people that always

674
00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:05.920
<v Speaker 2>get reference when it comes to sources in regards to

675
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:09.800
<v Speaker 2>the process, and the process covers so many other things too,

676
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:11.440
<v Speaker 2>because I know this goes into like the hand of

677
00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:14.000
<v Speaker 2>a hand of death Call and other things. So I

678
00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:16.440
<v Speaker 2>just kind of real quick, I just for the purposes

679
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:19.039
<v Speaker 2>of so if anyone fledging people who want to dig

680
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:24.280
<v Speaker 2>into the process, like I guess you know, places, start books, sources,

681
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:27.760
<v Speaker 2>people who are the trusted things you would know who

682
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:29.719
<v Speaker 2>are the people that you should know. I know there's

683
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:32.639
<v Speaker 2>some that wrote books that were either in or associated

684
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:34.719
<v Speaker 2>with A call. I fucking forget. So I think it's

685
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.199
<v Speaker 2>good to kind of take a moment to rehash who

686
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:39.920
<v Speaker 2>these people are, the different sources. I mean, much like

687
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:42.239
<v Speaker 2>with Oklahoma City bombing, you really only have a handful

688
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:44.079
<v Speaker 2>of things. You have Wendy Painting, you have can thrying

689
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:46.519
<v Speaker 2>to do. I mean, you have Richard Booth, to which

690
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:48.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'll admit that you have a I mean,

691
00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:52.039
<v Speaker 2>there's only a handful of like real, like reasonable, like

692
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:54.400
<v Speaker 2>reliable sources of information out there.

693
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Sure. So I think first and foremost ed Sanders the Family,

694
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:03.920
<v Speaker 1>the original publication and then the last publication, which I

695
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:07.800
<v Speaker 1>think came out in the nineties, and also he discusses

696
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:10.480
<v Speaker 1>it in his book about Sharon Tate called Sharon Tate

697
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:13.480
<v Speaker 1>a Life. So in the last publication of the Family

698
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:15.840
<v Speaker 1>and in Sharon Tate a life. He references it as

699
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:19.800
<v Speaker 1>a British occult organization because of the libel suit that

700
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.519
<v Speaker 1>was settled out of court here in the States. But

701
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:26.719
<v Speaker 1>the original publication, especially considering that he beat Bugliosi to

702
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:29.599
<v Speaker 1>getting the book out, is pretty damn accurate for what

703
00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:33.880
<v Speaker 1>he was given. Mary Terry The Ultimate Evil, I think

704
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:37.719
<v Speaker 1>has a lot of excellent information as well. And then

705
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:41.639
<v Speaker 1>as far as comparing it to what they say, Timothy

706
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:44.519
<v Speaker 1>Wiley is going to be the main author that you

707
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:47.119
<v Speaker 1>will find out there that has books out about it.

708
00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:52.000
<v Speaker 1>There is I think it's called secret and Suppressed by

709
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Adam Parfrey. He used to run Feral House, which is

710
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:59.679
<v Speaker 1>the Process publication house. He has some sort of weird

711
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:05.480
<v Speaker 1>verified stuff about the Process in there. But as far

712
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:11.079
<v Speaker 1>as I don't know, I have mixed feelings about when

713
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:14.440
<v Speaker 1>it mixes in the Process with like the hand of

714
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Death cult. And I'm still trying to flesh out the

715
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Process's ties to, you know, the Atlanta child murders. It's

716
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:26.760
<v Speaker 1>there's so many little nuances to all of this and

717
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:29.840
<v Speaker 1>it's very difficult. I know that Henry Lee Lucas said

718
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:32.280
<v Speaker 1>that he visited the Process chapter in New Orleans, and

719
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:35.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that he wasn't lying. It's just trying

720
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:37.559
<v Speaker 1>to map out where the process was in Florida at

721
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:40.639
<v Speaker 1>that time, because they were established for yeah, and you

722
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:43.679
<v Speaker 1>know they were established. I need to figure out who

723
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:46.760
<v Speaker 1>was working at that chapter house when he went to visit,

724
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:48.960
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, because that's how I'm kind

725
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:52.360
<v Speaker 1>of able to peel all of these things back. And

726
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:55.519
<v Speaker 1>then you know, for people who have Netflix, obviously the

727
00:36:56.159 --> 00:37:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Sons of Sam documentary that was a character assassination Maury

728
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:03.639
<v Speaker 1>Terry at the end, there is some good information in

729
00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:07.639
<v Speaker 1>there about the process. Even though he's interviewing Gary Valentine,

730
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:11.679
<v Speaker 1>Gary Lachman, who's the expert on the occult, No, he's not,

731
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:15.119
<v Speaker 1>and he's also a process simp. So again I would

732
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:18.480
<v Speaker 1>just consider the source because you know, the more that

733
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:22.039
<v Speaker 1>you peel back, the more that you're gonna see what

734
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:26.480
<v Speaker 1>we've been told is not true. And you know, for

735
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:30.360
<v Speaker 1>the Nicholas Shrek aka Barry Dobin fan boys out there,

736
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:34.400
<v Speaker 1>the Mansonites, obviously, they don't like to talk about the

737
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:36.599
<v Speaker 1>process connection to the Manson case at all.

738
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:43.000
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's once again sticking with basics. The evergreen

739
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:46.199
<v Speaker 2>question that always comes up with the process is what

740
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:48.760
<v Speaker 2>is the process? Now? Obviously I can't just leave you

741
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:51.239
<v Speaker 2>with that, because what the hell is there's so many

742
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.440
<v Speaker 2>different ways to take that. But I guess just kind

743
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:55.760
<v Speaker 2>of I mean almost like there's almost i'd ask you

744
00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:58.760
<v Speaker 2>like four different ways to answer this, but I guess

745
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:01.039
<v Speaker 2>kind of to start, I mean, because I know that

746
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:04.880
<v Speaker 2>their ideology or claimed ideology has seemingly changed many times

747
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:06.960
<v Speaker 2>to the years, but I mean it just kind of

748
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:10.519
<v Speaker 2>quick like if you were to try to explain, I

749
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:13.559
<v Speaker 2>guess there's a difference between esoteric and it was an

750
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:15.519
<v Speaker 2>x tear Africa that there's a two the in and

751
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:18.519
<v Speaker 2>the out, and so there's like what they professed to

752
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:21.280
<v Speaker 2>the world. But I guess just kind of generally, what

753
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:25.800
<v Speaker 2>is their supposed belief system? Even really, I mean that's

754
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:27.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of a loaded question, so I guess you can

755
00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:29.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of kind of where do you even go from there?

756
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:32.840
<v Speaker 2>What what is this belief or purported belief system. It

757
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:35.599
<v Speaker 2>seems like it's transferred to some sort of self helpe

758
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.760
<v Speaker 2>thing and then became a religion and then didn't really

759
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:40.440
<v Speaker 2>seem to know what it was, and it somehow ended

760
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:43.480
<v Speaker 2>up to be a charity where they fucked dogs or something.

761
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:53.280
<v Speaker 1>I guess, perfect summation. Okay, So, uh man, this is

762
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:55.599
<v Speaker 1>a hard question and I got asked it so many

763
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:58.320
<v Speaker 1>times that I should have a good answer right now. Fuck. Okay,

764
00:38:58.519 --> 00:39:04.719
<v Speaker 1>excuse my language, all right. So the process shortcover story

765
00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:11.000
<v Speaker 1>scientology spinoff group went to Mexico, Bahamas stool found Satan.

766
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:14.039
<v Speaker 1>While they were beating themselves in huts, they were hanging

767
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:17.039
<v Speaker 1>out with the Beatles, you know, the Rolling Stones. They

768
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:20.599
<v Speaker 1>were super edgy. They ran around in purple and black cloaks,

769
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:23.320
<v Speaker 1>and they definitely didn't know Manson and they definitely weren't

770
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:25.199
<v Speaker 1>involved with the Son of Sam because they broke up

771
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:27.800
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy four. So like they were just a

772
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:31.639
<v Speaker 1>counterculture sort of movement against not against the Flower Children,

773
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:36.239
<v Speaker 1>but certainly like very jarring for the Flower Children time.

774
00:39:38.199 --> 00:39:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Their real core beliefs, regardless of what they say, really

775
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:46.159
<v Speaker 1>hasn't changed. Their two core beliefs is one humanity is

776
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:50.159
<v Speaker 1>the devil, and number two, animals are pure and harming

777
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:53.920
<v Speaker 1>an animal is the ultimate sin. So being what they

778
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:57.440
<v Speaker 1>are now, which is best friends, makes total sense, right

779
00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:03.440
<v Speaker 1>because it's just the natural conclusion of theology. Their sort

780
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:08.320
<v Speaker 1>of transference throughout time, those core beliefs haven't really changed.

781
00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:12.599
<v Speaker 1>Now it is a Scientology group, but I don't call

782
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:15.960
<v Speaker 1>it a spin off or you know, this breakaway group.

783
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:19.400
<v Speaker 1>And the reason why is for anybody who is familiar

784
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:22.280
<v Speaker 1>with scientology who watched that show on A and E

785
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:27.320
<v Speaker 1>Lea Ramini Scientology in the aftermath, I mean, I have

786
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:31.079
<v Speaker 1>my issues with her, but in that show they talk

787
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:34.519
<v Speaker 1>about people being fair gamed, right, So that's Hubbard's policy

788
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:37.480
<v Speaker 1>of destroyed by any means, no matter what, you can

789
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:39.880
<v Speaker 1>commit any crime and it will not be a crime

790
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:42.199
<v Speaker 1>in the church, and the Church will basically protect you

791
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:46.199
<v Speaker 1>for it. When the Grimstons, the founders of the process,

792
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:50.039
<v Speaker 1>were declared fair game by Hubbard, that was in December

793
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:53.440
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen sixty five. They had been operating on their

794
00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:57.519
<v Speaker 1>own independently with the E meter or P scope as

795
00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:00.679
<v Speaker 1>they called it, for two years. By that time, nothing

796
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:04.000
<v Speaker 1>ever happened to them. He never came after them. The

797
00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:08.719
<v Speaker 1>reason why they left London was because the British Medical

798
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Association was threatening to shut them down because they were

799
00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:14.760
<v Speaker 1>making people sign waivers that if your mental health was

800
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:17.559
<v Speaker 1>negatively affected by what they were doing, you couldn't come

801
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:23.280
<v Speaker 1>after them. Obviously Hubbard, because Scientology is very anti psychiatry,

802
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:26.360
<v Speaker 1>He's not going to send the Britical Medical Association after them,

803
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:28.960
<v Speaker 1>because you know, they're going to see that they're using

804
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:30.719
<v Speaker 1>this E meter and they're going to be like, well,

805
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:32.840
<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, those people over there in that bigger

806
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:35.400
<v Speaker 1>building where Hubbard is are using that right. So that's

807
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:37.679
<v Speaker 1>a problem because Ubbard was already getting in trouble by

808
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:41.519
<v Speaker 1>that time. So that's why they went to Mexico. They

809
00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:44.639
<v Speaker 1>were beating themselves in huts. Was Satan finding them? I

810
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:48.639
<v Speaker 1>have no idea, probably, but the Church of Scientology says

811
00:41:48.679 --> 00:41:51.559
<v Speaker 1>that they were doing paramilitary training. I think that there's

812
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:53.880
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of both. There's a little bit of

813
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:57.400
<v Speaker 1>truth to both narratives. Then they come to the States,

814
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:00.239
<v Speaker 1>and they come at the right time. You know, they're

815
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:03.920
<v Speaker 1>here right at the time of the counterculture movement, and

816
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:07.280
<v Speaker 1>they were involved with Manson. There's substantial evidence that they

817
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:11.440
<v Speaker 1>were involved with Manson. And there's also substantial evidence and

818
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:15.760
<v Speaker 1>nobody can tell me otherwise that Manson wasn't a scientologist.

819
00:42:15.800 --> 00:42:17.480
<v Speaker 1>People like to say that he took a couple of

820
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:20.679
<v Speaker 1>starter courses and that you know, he stopped after he

821
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:24.320
<v Speaker 1>got out of jail, this isn't true. In his parole updates,

822
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:27.400
<v Speaker 1>literally including one of the parole updates from Tom O'Neill's

823
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Chaos that he omitted out of that book. His parole

824
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:34.559
<v Speaker 1>officer says, Charlie is still using scientology and for the

825
00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:37.519
<v Speaker 1>first time in his life, Charlie is making progress because

826
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:42.159
<v Speaker 1>he's understanding himself. Why would Tom O'Neill omit that good

827
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:44.880
<v Speaker 1>question right? And he says that he omitted the process

828
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:50.400
<v Speaker 1>because there wasn't enough evidence to his satisfaction, which now

829
00:42:50.400 --> 00:42:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I understand why Ed Sanders said that he thinks Tom

830
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:57.840
<v Speaker 1>O'Neill is a fed as far as you know manson itself.

831
00:42:58.079 --> 00:42:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I could sit there and ramble on about that all day.

832
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:02.679
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I didn't mean to cut, but I just thought

833
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:04.440
<v Speaker 2>of something I meant to bring up earlier with the

834
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.599
<v Speaker 2>Q thing, the parallels. Let's be real, like I think,

835
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:10.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm obviously I would assume that you're

836
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:12.559
<v Speaker 2>like ultimate thought here is perhaps there's some sort of

837
00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:16.440
<v Speaker 2>enterprise type thing, some sort of conglomeration group behind this.

838
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:19.039
<v Speaker 2>You know, obviously Navy intel is heavily implicated. But I

839
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:21.840
<v Speaker 2>assume you'd say there's like other components because Navy intel

840
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:24.280
<v Speaker 2>comes into play with like Hubbard and such. But we

841
00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:27.400
<v Speaker 2>still have that in play. You just literally, because I

842
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:29.280
<v Speaker 2>was talking about earlier, I meant to bring up like

843
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:32.519
<v Speaker 2>today in you know, in regards to Q and such,

844
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:35.360
<v Speaker 2>I completely forget if you're playing the you know, trust

845
00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:38.360
<v Speaker 2>the Plan, Trump's the good guy narrative, especially if you

846
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:40.159
<v Speaker 2>look at the things going. I mean, this isn't you know,

847
00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:42.800
<v Speaker 2>perfectly c but it ties in sort of to the

848
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:45.480
<v Speaker 2>trust of the Plan concept, where that everything's been like, oh,

849
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:47.800
<v Speaker 2>trust Trump, He's gonna, you know, we're gonna have peace whatever.

850
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:50.679
<v Speaker 2>Trust Trump. Who are the people pushing that. You have

851
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Tucker whose dad was you know, the fucking voice of

852
00:43:53.920 --> 00:43:57.639
<v Speaker 2>America guy uh, you know, and us be real. Tucker's

853
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:00.480
<v Speaker 2>early days glow pretty bright, So I don't know who knows.

854
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he's a good guy. I'll be honest. I agree

855
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:04.079
<v Speaker 2>with most of his positions these days. That's where I stand.

856
00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:07.960
<v Speaker 2>So but I'm not retarded, and I I know about

857
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:10.320
<v Speaker 2>his past, so it's like I'm expecting a swerve at

858
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:12.920
<v Speaker 2>some point, so I don't know when. But But then

859
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:16.280
<v Speaker 2>you have Jack Pasobic, whose Navy was a believe I

860
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:18.760
<v Speaker 2>believe was navy intel or who was air force or something?

861
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:22.159
<v Speaker 2>Either way, he was a military intel. I used to

862
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:23.679
<v Speaker 2>kind of downplay that and didn't think it was that

863
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:25.440
<v Speaker 2>big of a deal until I found out. I think

864
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:28.000
<v Speaker 2>he was like Guantanobo, so that I was like, oh shit,

865
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:30.639
<v Speaker 2>all right, never mind. But then I might be wrong there,

866
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:33.840
<v Speaker 2>and then you have Bannon, which I believe Bannon has something.

867
00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:35.880
<v Speaker 2>I might be wrong, but I believe there's some sort of.

868
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:40.559
<v Speaker 1>I think yes, So it's like, yeah.

869
00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:43.199
<v Speaker 2>Right here, who's who's the cope for Trump? Super fucking

870
00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:45.519
<v Speaker 2>hard And and to be fair, it's like, if this

871
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:47.559
<v Speaker 2>is the CIA plan, it is kind of like that

872
00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:50.960
<v Speaker 2>is them trying to coax them into like, hey, like

873
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:53.159
<v Speaker 2>do the right thing sort of especially in light of

874
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:56.480
<v Speaker 2>the things going on recently. But it's also like, I

875
00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:59.800
<v Speaker 2>don't know, that's also the like keep people buying into

876
00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:03.519
<v Speaker 2>the bullshit type, you know, that's controlling both sides if

877
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.039
<v Speaker 2>we're going to jump too assumptions here. So I don't know,

878
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:08.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I guess there's no question there, but

879
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:09.599
<v Speaker 2>I was like, shit, I forgot about that. It's a

880
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:12.000
<v Speaker 2>really good fucking parallel there, and I guess it kind

881
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:14.159
<v Speaker 2>of drives with the Navy intel connections, so I guess

882
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:15.480
<v Speaker 2>you could jump off that if you want to.

883
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:17.679
<v Speaker 1>Well, there's also more than that too, and I'm kind

884
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:19.880
<v Speaker 1>of glad you brought that up, because you know, so

885
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Timothy Wiley finally, after I've read ten of his fucking

886
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:25.760
<v Speaker 1>books where he's talking in third person to some alien

887
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:29.639
<v Speaker 1>following him around, he finally admits, well, the alien admits that,

888
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:33.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, Marianne was recruited when she was I think

889
00:45:33.400 --> 00:45:37.119
<v Speaker 1>sixteen years old to she was already working the streets,

890
00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:40.360
<v Speaker 1>but they brought her on to British intelligence and she

891
00:45:40.400 --> 00:45:43.760
<v Speaker 1>had a handler and that she was working as basically

892
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:47.360
<v Speaker 1>a honey pock sort of call girl. And he says

893
00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:50.559
<v Speaker 1>she was working during the time of Perfumo. So I

894
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:53.000
<v Speaker 1>do think that she was involved in Perfumo, but I

895
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:55.920
<v Speaker 1>don't think that she was involved in the Perfumo child

896
00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:57.920
<v Speaker 1>that was presented to the public. I think that she

897
00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:02.400
<v Speaker 1>was involved in like the Sataness bdsm kink stuff with

898
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:06.239
<v Speaker 1>hod Dibbons and mary Ella Novotney. I think that that's

899
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:09.360
<v Speaker 1>what was going on, because Novotney came over to the

900
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:13.679
<v Speaker 1>States before JFK was assassinated. Marianne's cover story was that

901
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:16.639
<v Speaker 1>she was spending time with Sugar Ray Robinson, who she

902
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:19.679
<v Speaker 1>never was engaged to, But for some reason people still

903
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:22.039
<v Speaker 1>push that line. That was a lie that was pushed

904
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:24.599
<v Speaker 1>by Scientology. They're the first people to put that out.

905
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:27.199
<v Speaker 1>So I think it's weird that the church is creating

906
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:29.920
<v Speaker 1>a cover story for her when she's over here at

907
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:32.920
<v Speaker 1>the exact same time as mary Ella Novotny. And well,

908
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:35.599
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a lot of information out there supporting

909
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:39.119
<v Speaker 1>that JFK was banging Thevotny, So who really knows? Was

910
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Mary Anne also banging him? Possibly? Then you also have

911
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:47.519
<v Speaker 1>her husband in the church, Robert de Grimston. His family

912
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:51.960
<v Speaker 1>has serious intelligence ties as well as nobility ties. You know,

913
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:56.000
<v Speaker 1>dig Grimston. He's the only person in his entire family

914
00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:59.199
<v Speaker 1>that changed his name to dig Grimston. It's on his

915
00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:02.320
<v Speaker 1>birth certificate, but his last name is more. Dad didn't

916
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:04.679
<v Speaker 1>take it. Grandpa didn't take it. Mom didn't take it.

917
00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:08.239
<v Speaker 1>His sister was the god daughter of Lady Armatrude Walker

918
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:11.800
<v Speaker 1>to Grimston. So Robert was like knighted into this family.

919
00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:14.519
<v Speaker 1>And I have no idea why. There's no answers for that.

920
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:18.840
<v Speaker 1>He was working for the Royal Air Force. He also

921
00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:22.320
<v Speaker 1>worked under the King's Royal Hussars. That's you know, pretty

922
00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:25.039
<v Speaker 1>well known to be an intelligence outfit at this point.

923
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:26.639
<v Speaker 1>And then Timmy.

924
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:27.920
<v Speaker 2>British Military Intelligence.

925
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:32.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, And Timothy Wiley's mom worked for.

926
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Six British Military Intelligence in what the mid to early

927
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:40.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, like the around Middish nineties, as I'd say,

928
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:43.559
<v Speaker 2>probably so yeah, I don't know, if you think about

929
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:46.840
<v Speaker 2>the the areas of British influence in that period of

930
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:49.320
<v Speaker 2>time pretty high. So yeah, that glows, that glows pretty

931
00:47:49.840 --> 00:47:50.559
<v Speaker 2>pretty brightly.

932
00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:54.559
<v Speaker 1>It's like, I'm not going full the Rooshe plot to like,

933
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:58.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, destroy the Wes, but I'm just saying, like

934
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:01.719
<v Speaker 1>there is some smoke there, uh for sure, because there's

935
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:05.519
<v Speaker 1>a lot of strangeness going on, and it's and as

936
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:09.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm like working through other family members and other members

937
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:12.199
<v Speaker 1>in the process, it's like, yeah, a lot of these

938
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Like there's an astor, you know, Timothy Wiley, you know,

939
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:18.280
<v Speaker 1>so his mom worked for m I five. She was

940
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:22.440
<v Speaker 1>dating John Michelle, that UFO guy, the really famous UFO guy,

941
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.639
<v Speaker 1>so like that was her boyfriend. And he ends up

942
00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:29.039
<v Speaker 1>marrying the only astor that joins the cult, which is

943
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:33.400
<v Speaker 1>also very strange. She allegedly murdered her mother when she

944
00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:38.119
<v Speaker 1>was fifteen, killed her with a drug overdose. Very strange.

945
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:44.639
<v Speaker 1>And some of these people, uh, Timothy Wiley's cousin in law. Yeah,

946
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:46.719
<v Speaker 1>so cousin in law because it's his cousin's wife. She's

947
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:50.199
<v Speaker 1>the CEO of best Friends today. His cousin just died

948
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:53.280
<v Speaker 1>about a month ago. Her husband just passed away, like

949
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:55.440
<v Speaker 1>a month ago day.

950
00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:57.480
<v Speaker 2>I just sty had a fuck. I had a questions.

951
00:48:57.480 --> 00:48:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh I remember what it was? Okay, I had I

952
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:01.000
<v Speaker 2>was literally about to ask get them blinked. Now, I

953
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:03.639
<v Speaker 2>remember the question is I kind of we talked a

954
00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:05.440
<v Speaker 2>little bit of RFK earlier and I was kind of

955
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:08.960
<v Speaker 2>alluding to the RFK senior connection ironically went on a

956
00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:12.639
<v Speaker 2>junior connection. I was like, oh shit, Okay, not surprised,

957
00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:14.920
<v Speaker 2>but you know, good information to have. It was not

958
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:18.039
<v Speaker 2>the one I had before, but on that RFK connection,

959
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:22.440
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking. I just recently based mega based retard

960
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:28.199
<v Speaker 2>Queen Marjorie Taylor Green recently came out and saying that

961
00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:32.440
<v Speaker 2>she now believes that JFK was killed the dew to

962
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:36.199
<v Speaker 2>the Jews Israel, not the Jews. I'm being a little

963
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:37.679
<v Speaker 2>bit in a tongue in cheek. I'm not saying he's

964
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:41.360
<v Speaker 2>literally getting mad at Jews. She's saying Israel. She's saying

965
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:45.280
<v Speaker 2>Israel did it for the whole Demona scandal, the Demona nuclears,

966
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:47.920
<v Speaker 2>essentially that you know, JFK wanted to look into the

967
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:50.000
<v Speaker 2>nuclear program and shut it down. Now, I don't know

968
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:51.679
<v Speaker 2>if that's true or not. I've not really dug into

969
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:54.000
<v Speaker 2>that too much. Wouldn't be surprised. I don't don't really

970
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:56.519
<v Speaker 2>trust that country all that much, But I don't know.

971
00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:58.840
<v Speaker 2>There's I also am aware of things like north Woods

972
00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:02.360
<v Speaker 2>and him firing limits a number of other things. So

973
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:05.199
<v Speaker 2>there's all sorts of plenty of reasons people could point

974
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:08.880
<v Speaker 2>to of why JFKK would be dead. It doesn't necessarily

975
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:11.280
<v Speaker 2>have to be that. But kind of what I'm driving

976
00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:13.239
<v Speaker 2>at here is you said, with there's smoke, there's fire.

977
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:18.199
<v Speaker 2>When it comes to the process, is there any what

978
00:50:18.320 --> 00:50:20.760
<v Speaker 2>is there in the realm of smoke and then particularly

979
00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:24.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, I guess maybe even fire in that angle. Obviously,

980
00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:26.320
<v Speaker 2>I do not to expecting you to go they killed

981
00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:28.119
<v Speaker 2>JFK or even had anything to do with it, But

982
00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:30.760
<v Speaker 2>do you think there's anything there? I mean they are

983
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:33.360
<v Speaker 2>so balls deep in different angles. They're literally you know,

984
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:36.559
<v Speaker 2>you're mentioning the girls. Supposedly JFK is banging. I know

985
00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:39.119
<v Speaker 2>there's there's all sorts of other connections with RFK and such,

986
00:50:39.199 --> 00:50:41.320
<v Speaker 2>So I mean, hell, if there's nothing on the JFK side,

987
00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:42.920
<v Speaker 2>I guess it would be a good jumping off point

988
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:44.800
<v Speaker 2>to even just let the audience know what we're even

989
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:47.519
<v Speaker 2>getting at with the RFK stuff, because I know the

990
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:50.880
<v Speaker 2>RFK senior stuff with the process is pretty fucking nuts

991
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:51.719
<v Speaker 2>all and on of its own.

992
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:54.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, especially.

993
00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Since it ties into the Jewish stuff too, sort of

994
00:50:56.039 --> 00:50:58.480
<v Speaker 2>not trying to make everything a JQ thing. But if

995
00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:00.360
<v Speaker 2>you are going to the RFK angle, what they go

996
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:02.880
<v Speaker 2>with that was it was oh a Palestinian did it,

997
00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:05.119
<v Speaker 2>and it was you know, and he was mad about

998
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Israel stuff.

999
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:11.519
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, yeah, I think that with JFK, it's that

1000
00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:15.599
<v Speaker 1>timeline is really obscure, right, because that's Mary Anne. That's

1001
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:18.159
<v Speaker 1>very early. We don't really know, and honestly, I don't

1002
00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:20.559
<v Speaker 1>know that we're ever going to know, but you know,

1003
00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:23.679
<v Speaker 1>when they get incorporated here, they get incorporated by Tommy

1004
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Jude Bamler, wandering Bishop heavily involved in Jim Garrison's investigation

1005
00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:33.039
<v Speaker 1>into JFK's death. I have pretty strong feelings about like

1006
00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:37.679
<v Speaker 1>the whole sort of blue blood cowboy Bishop angle to

1007
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:41.360
<v Speaker 1>the JFK assassination. I think that LBJ had a heavy

1008
00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:43.639
<v Speaker 1>hand in it, and you know, like Bush, what was

1009
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:46.119
<v Speaker 1>Bush doing there that day? He can't answer anybody about

1010
00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:48.119
<v Speaker 1>where he was at. I think that there was a

1011
00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:52.559
<v Speaker 1>big Bishop cowboy thing going on in particular, but in

1012
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:57.239
<v Speaker 1>regards to RFK specifically, So, Sharon Tate was a huge

1013
00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:01.159
<v Speaker 1>fan of RFK, as was Abigail. Fully, I know that

1014
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:05.519
<v Speaker 1>Abigail Folger joined his political team to help, you know,

1015
00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:08.880
<v Speaker 1>sort of promote his campaign, and I know that Sharon

1016
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:13.480
<v Speaker 1>and Roman were also donating to his campaign. Obviously pretty

1017
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:16.079
<v Speaker 1>common lawyer out there is that Sharon and Roman dined,

1018
00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:21.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, with him the night before the assassination. As

1019
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:24.400
<v Speaker 1>far as the process angle goes, and all we have

1020
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:27.320
<v Speaker 1>to go on is what I INS and the FBI

1021
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:31.199
<v Speaker 1>told Ed Sanders, and I don't really know what else

1022
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:35.199
<v Speaker 1>people want at this point, right So in the investigation,

1023
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:41.519
<v Speaker 1>what they told Ed's private investigator Larry Larson that there

1024
00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:45.159
<v Speaker 1>was a hit that was ordered on Sharon Tate because

1025
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:49.599
<v Speaker 1>Sharon Tate heard something either in reference to or about

1026
00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:54.719
<v Speaker 1>Sir Han Sirhin the process paid the Manson family to

1027
00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:58.039
<v Speaker 1>do the hit. What did she overhear? When this question

1028
00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:00.840
<v Speaker 1>was asked, they said, we cannot tell you. That is

1029
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:04.559
<v Speaker 1>a matter of national security. What kind of fucking answer

1030
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:08.280
<v Speaker 1>that is on that topic is completely insane. I have

1031
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:13.960
<v Speaker 1>no idea. But something interesting for people to consider is

1032
00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:18.079
<v Speaker 1>why don't we know more about Sir Hans's social and

1033
00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:21.039
<v Speaker 1>religious life in the couple of years leading up to

1034
00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:24.679
<v Speaker 1>the crimes because we know that he was requesting like

1035
00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Theosophy books in jail. You know he he was into

1036
00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:30.440
<v Speaker 1>the occult, right, so that's not really a secret.

1037
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Uh, why don't Rosicrucianism I've heard around. I've never looked

1038
00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:35.360
<v Speaker 2>into the truth of it, but that's what I've heard.

1039
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, he was also into Rosicrucianism, absolutely, but I know

1040
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:42.159
<v Speaker 1>for sure he was like requesting Theosophy books. And so

1041
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:46.039
<v Speaker 1>it's like, why you know that there was an investigation

1042
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:49.360
<v Speaker 1>that was done, So why hasn't that information been made public?

1043
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:52.480
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying that you know he's in jail

1044
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:55.639
<v Speaker 1>or that RFK was assassinated because of the process. I

1045
00:53:55.639 --> 00:53:58.159
<v Speaker 1>think that there are multiple reasons why Sir Hannah is

1046
00:53:58.159 --> 00:53:59.880
<v Speaker 1>still in jail. I do think that he's a past

1047
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:03.079
<v Speaker 1>but I do think that the process angle is one

1048
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:05.599
<v Speaker 1>that people need to seriously consider, because this is coming

1049
00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:07.679
<v Speaker 1>from government officials saying that it was a matter of

1050
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:11.480
<v Speaker 1>national security. Now, there were people that said that Sir

1051
00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Hand was in attendance at some of these nasty parties

1052
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:17.239
<v Speaker 1>in Laurel Canyon that were being held by producers like

1053
00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:20.519
<v Speaker 1>Bob Evans and at the homes of people like John Phillips,

1054
00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:24.440
<v Speaker 1>j Seabring and the Polanski's where they're doing drugs, they're

1055
00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:28.440
<v Speaker 1>doing you know, these orgies with you know, sex magic rituals.

1056
00:54:28.639 --> 00:54:30.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean some of the stuff that they were doing,

1057
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:32.840
<v Speaker 1>like imitation hangings, things like that.

1058
00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:36.679
<v Speaker 2>Think about what they publicly tell you happened at Diddy's parties,

1059
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:38.880
<v Speaker 2>like they've come out and so think about what they're

1060
00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:41.440
<v Speaker 2>doing at process parties. Back then that was kind of.

1061
00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:45.599
<v Speaker 1>No, you're right, No, I mean, you're absolutely right. And

1062
00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:51.000
<v Speaker 1>you know the other implication there, especially if we're you know,

1063
00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:55.880
<v Speaker 1>just assuming that Sir Hand was there. Right, Let's just say,

1064
00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:58.519
<v Speaker 1>and they're doing these sex orgies and they're all high

1065
00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:01.280
<v Speaker 1>out of their minds. We know that they were filming

1066
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:03.840
<v Speaker 1>these things. So how damning is that going to be

1067
00:55:04.119 --> 00:55:07.000
<v Speaker 1>If Sir Hannah's even caught in the back frame of

1068
00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:09.719
<v Speaker 1>a tape. You know what I'm saying, That's really damning.

1069
00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:13.199
<v Speaker 1>And then Charles Manson, as crazy as he is or was,

1070
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:16.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, he broken clock is right twice a day, right,

1071
00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:19.159
<v Speaker 1>and you know he said flat out you know he

1072
00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:22.920
<v Speaker 1>knew that to Grimstons. Multiple people have reported this. Crenwinkle

1073
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:25.800
<v Speaker 1>testified in court not that long ago about this, like

1074
00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:28.360
<v Speaker 1>the Process and Manson were hanging out. It is what

1075
00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:30.159
<v Speaker 1>it is. I know people don't want to hear it,

1076
00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:33.400
<v Speaker 1>but Charlie told ed that, you know, he had met

1077
00:55:33.400 --> 00:55:36.880
<v Speaker 1>the Grimstons at one of Polanski's parties and that at

1078
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:40.079
<v Speaker 1>least at a bare minimum, that Robert was in these pornos,

1079
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:43.320
<v Speaker 1>and that that was what had started the problems in

1080
00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:45.960
<v Speaker 1>that scene was something that Robert did in one of

1081
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:50.000
<v Speaker 1>these movies, allegedly with Audrey Hefburn. Don't really know how

1082
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:54.079
<v Speaker 1>they got there, very weird, but she ended up spending

1083
00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:56.280
<v Speaker 1>time with the Process in the seventies. She was their

1084
00:55:56.320 --> 00:55:58.800
<v Speaker 1>neighbor in New York. They liked hanging out her and

1085
00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Timothy Wiley. So that's really weird. So you have multiple angles, right, Like,

1086
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:07.079
<v Speaker 1>if the process ordered a hit, is that really why

1087
00:56:07.119 --> 00:56:09.599
<v Speaker 1>they did it? Because Robert and mary Anne we're on

1088
00:56:09.639 --> 00:56:12.719
<v Speaker 1>those tapes, and Marianne's cover couldn't get blown. Because something

1089
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:14.960
<v Speaker 1>that most people know about the Process, even if they

1090
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:17.159
<v Speaker 1>just know like the cover story, is that there's no

1091
00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:19.800
<v Speaker 1>photos of mary Anne, right, Like we have one or

1092
00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:22.880
<v Speaker 1>two photos. We don't have photos of her because it

1093
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:25.400
<v Speaker 1>was going to blow her cover. That's why there's no

1094
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:27.280
<v Speaker 1>photos out there of her. You know. I think we

1095
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:31.719
<v Speaker 1>have maybe three if we're lucky, Like there's none that exists.

1096
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:33.840
<v Speaker 1>And one of them is an old passport photo from

1097
00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Maury Terry's files. I don't even know where the hell

1098
00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:39.559
<v Speaker 1>he got that from. So it's like there's multiple angles

1099
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:42.960
<v Speaker 1>there that would accomplish it. And it's fascinating because in

1100
00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:46.000
<v Speaker 1>that JFK fil release that came out, there was one

1101
00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:51.000
<v Speaker 1>obscure file in there. So in Ed Sanders's original publication

1102
00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:53.159
<v Speaker 1>of the family and I don't remember how much he

1103
00:56:53.199 --> 00:56:55.880
<v Speaker 1>followed up on it in the last edition talking about

1104
00:56:55.920 --> 00:56:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Sir Han. There was reportedly a process member who was

1105
00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:02.000
<v Speaker 1>working in the hotel that night. Who was a cook

1106
00:57:02.119 --> 00:57:02.719
<v Speaker 1>in the kitchen?

1107
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:03.079
<v Speaker 2>Right?

1108
00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:05.400
<v Speaker 1>We don't have any Well, we have a name, but

1109
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:07.599
<v Speaker 1>it's such a vague name that I can't find the guy.

1110
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:11.000
<v Speaker 1>But in that JFK. Fowl release, there's just a random

1111
00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:14.559
<v Speaker 1>file tucked in there that when Sirhan was arrested, he

1112
00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:19.239
<v Speaker 1>had the keys to somebody's vehicle in his pocket. It

1113
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:22.119
<v Speaker 1>was somebody who was cooking in the kitchen. They would

1114
00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:26.599
<v Speaker 1>not release the person's name, but Secret Security already had

1115
00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:28.840
<v Speaker 1>a file on this cook that was in the kitchen.

1116
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:31.079
<v Speaker 1>Who the fuck was this cook? I would like to

1117
00:57:31.119 --> 00:57:33.960
<v Speaker 1>know was this process member that ED was referring to.

1118
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:37.599
<v Speaker 1>Did ED get good information that far back? You know

1119
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:41.679
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying. It's like, there are so many reasons

1120
00:57:41.679 --> 00:57:42.960
<v Speaker 1>why they would want to take him out. I mean,

1121
00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:45.159
<v Speaker 1>look at what RFK was doing. I think that RFK

1122
00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:47.360
<v Speaker 1>was involved in the death of Marilyn Monroe. I think

1123
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:50.599
<v Speaker 1>that there's plenty of, you know, circumstantial evidence and witness

1124
00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:53.719
<v Speaker 1>testimony that he was absolutely involved. I think that he

1125
00:57:53.800 --> 00:57:57.679
<v Speaker 1>was doing a lot of shady shit too. And you

1126
00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:04.119
<v Speaker 1>know it's I also the whole you know, Israel Palestine thing.

1127
00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:08.519
<v Speaker 1>It's like are you know RFK was supporting Israel. You

1128
00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:13.079
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying. It's like they people can be hypnotized,

1129
00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:17.039
<v Speaker 1>and especially with drugs, they can be hypnotized and conditioned

1130
00:58:17.079 --> 00:58:21.800
<v Speaker 1>to lie. That's I've read so many reports of conversations

1131
00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:25.039
<v Speaker 1>with these old spooky hypnotists that were doing this stuff

1132
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:28.320
<v Speaker 1>with these people at that time, even specifically talking about

1133
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:31.239
<v Speaker 1>Sirhan Sirhan, and they're like, doctors will tell you that

1134
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:34.199
<v Speaker 1>you can't do this to someone, but you absolutely can,

1135
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:37.400
<v Speaker 1>especially if you're using these hypnotic drugs. You can condition

1136
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:40.719
<v Speaker 1>somebody to lie and they will have no memory of

1137
00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:44.119
<v Speaker 1>the event because subconsciously, even that sort of like default

1138
00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:48.400
<v Speaker 1>protective mechanism, their default is going to assume that they're

1139
00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:50.639
<v Speaker 1>doing this for the good of their country, or they're

1140
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:52.639
<v Speaker 1>doing it because it's the right thing, you know, the

1141
00:58:52.719 --> 00:58:55.519
<v Speaker 1>sort of like sense of you know, patriotism. And so

1142
00:58:56.440 --> 00:59:00.000
<v Speaker 1>I think that it is very plausible that Sir Hannes

1143
00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:02.800
<v Speaker 1>and just thinks that maybe that's why he did it,

1144
00:59:03.159 --> 00:59:05.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, But he still claims that he doesn't remember

1145
00:59:05.280 --> 00:59:08.519
<v Speaker 1>what happened that night, and I believe him. He doesn't remember.

1146
00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:11.159
<v Speaker 1>If somebody's gonna sit there and beat it into his

1147
00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:13.199
<v Speaker 1>head that he did it because he's angry about you know,

1148
00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:15.960
<v Speaker 1>RFK wanting to send what was it, you know, uh

1149
00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:18.880
<v Speaker 1>freakin' I can't remember what type of bombs it was,

1150
00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:22.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, over you know, to kill his people. It's like, well,

1151
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:25.000
<v Speaker 1>that would be a logical sort of conclusion that you

1152
00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:27.800
<v Speaker 1>might draw after being locked up in jail for decades,

1153
00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:31.800
<v Speaker 1>wondering how this could happen to you, right, And it's

1154
00:59:31.880 --> 00:59:37.280
<v Speaker 1>not that I would necessarily disagree, however, I just I

1155
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:39.639
<v Speaker 1>think that Sir hann is a total patsy, and I

1156
00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:41.679
<v Speaker 1>think that a lot of the stuff with the process

1157
00:59:41.719 --> 00:59:44.280
<v Speaker 1>were not going to get until he's until he's dead,

1158
00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:45.599
<v Speaker 1>because they're not going to let him out.

1159
00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:49.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, patsy doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't involved

1160
00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:52.880
<v Speaker 2>in some weird fucked shit possibly, but then he got

1161
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:54.679
<v Speaker 2>fucked over is what it looks like. But uh, I

1162
00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:57.239
<v Speaker 2>guess I think this is kind of the perfect jumping

1163
00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:00.360
<v Speaker 2>off point for my last question. Uh. And you can

1164
01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:02.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of take as long or as short as you

1165
01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:05.480
<v Speaker 2>wanted this because this question is kind of I guess essentially,

1166
01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:09.199
<v Speaker 2>while you did call your your your podcast, what is

1167
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:11.960
<v Speaker 2>the process? We just asked the question, you gave it

1168
01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:15.079
<v Speaker 2>the like kind of the what what? What is being

1169
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:17.960
<v Speaker 2>shown to people with what you know from them? Now

1170
01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:20.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of wanting to know, what do you think

1171
01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:23.000
<v Speaker 2>the process is? Like I said, as long or as

1172
01:00:23.000 --> 01:00:25.920
<v Speaker 2>short as you want to with this, or as obscure

1173
01:00:26.039 --> 01:00:28.360
<v Speaker 2>or even give a fuck off answer and check out

1174
01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:32.400
<v Speaker 2>my podcast. I don't care if you don't. So what

1175
01:00:32.679 --> 01:00:35.199
<v Speaker 2>do you consider that? Like when if I was trying

1176
01:00:35.239 --> 01:00:39.480
<v Speaker 2>to quickly explain it in conspiratorial terms to another para

1177
01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:42.920
<v Speaker 2>politics had without without freaking them the fuck out and

1178
01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:45.039
<v Speaker 2>trying to get them to awkwardly back away from me.

1179
01:00:46.519 --> 01:00:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Let's see, while I will plug the podcast for sure,

1180
01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:51.400
<v Speaker 1>go check it out? What is the process? Wherever you listen?

1181
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:58.639
<v Speaker 1>But I would say it is scientology, it is Best

1182
01:00:58.639 --> 01:01:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Friends Animal Society, and it is the Satanic Temple. I

1183
01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:07.119
<v Speaker 1>think that the fact that the process has, via the

1184
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:12.280
<v Speaker 1>Satanic Temple, gotten religious exemption status is completely insane, and

1185
01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:14.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand why the Temple does not get more

1186
01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:18.079
<v Speaker 1>scrutiny for this. You know, I kind of like based

1187
01:01:18.199 --> 01:01:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Putin when they like were trying to ban the Satanic

1188
01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:23.199
<v Speaker 1>Temple over there, I was like, that's kind of based.

1189
01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:27.079
<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm into that because I know what Doug

1190
01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:31.159
<v Speaker 1>Dougie Lucien says himself that it is all based off

1191
01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:34.559
<v Speaker 1>of process theology. You know their Baphomet statue, Yes, the

1192
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:38.199
<v Speaker 1>Elephas Levi sort of imagery. However, he says specifically it

1193
01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:41.519
<v Speaker 1>is based off of process theology, the you know, the

1194
01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:44.599
<v Speaker 1>reconciliation of opposites. That's why there's the little boy and

1195
01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:48.159
<v Speaker 1>the little girl. That's what they're talking about. You know,

1196
01:01:48.519 --> 01:01:51.880
<v Speaker 1>there's someone right now who works for the National Science Foundation.

1197
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:54.480
<v Speaker 1>He's a big wig in government. His name is William

1198
01:01:54.519 --> 01:01:56.599
<v Speaker 1>Sims Bainbridge. He wants all of us to live in

1199
01:01:56.639 --> 01:02:00.559
<v Speaker 1>a world of warcraft simulation. He's been doing next ormancy

1200
01:02:00.599 --> 01:02:03.519
<v Speaker 1>with his dead relatives in some of your favorite video

1201
01:02:03.559 --> 01:02:07.480
<v Speaker 1>games for the past couple of decades. He's a processing

1202
01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:11.199
<v Speaker 1>and you know, they're very active, but they're active online,

1203
01:02:11.559 --> 01:02:16.000
<v Speaker 1>they're also active in real life. And you know, where

1204
01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:17.320
<v Speaker 1>are you going to see him? You're going to see

1205
01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:20.440
<v Speaker 1>him in music. I mean, unfortunately, you know a lot

1206
01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:23.920
<v Speaker 1>of people know Psychic TV, the Temple of Psychic Youth.

1207
01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:26.920
<v Speaker 1>That's obviously process. You've got nine inch nails, that's process.

1208
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:30.440
<v Speaker 1>You've got Skinny Puppy. That's process. There's a lot of

1209
01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:32.880
<v Speaker 1>other bands that are very processing and in that way.

1210
01:02:33.079 --> 01:02:36.840
<v Speaker 1>And as I'm working my way backwards now, I'm going

1211
01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:39.800
<v Speaker 1>to uh probably lose a lot of fans and piss

1212
01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:41.440
<v Speaker 1>off a lot of people because I'm going to be

1213
01:02:41.519 --> 01:02:44.639
<v Speaker 1>getting into the stuff with like William Burrows, Hugh Hefner,

1214
01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:48.599
<v Speaker 1>and god, what is his name? I've been reading about

1215
01:02:48.679 --> 01:02:52.679
<v Speaker 1>him all day. Shit, Andy Warhol. There's just there's a

1216
01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:57.519
<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff there. Oh, there's it's it's horrific. I'm

1217
01:02:57.559 --> 01:03:00.159
<v Speaker 1>ready to gouch my eyes out from reading. But I

1218
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:05.119
<v Speaker 1>would also tell people there's a lot of well meaning

1219
01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:08.559
<v Speaker 1>individuals out here who are just repeating things that have

1220
01:03:08.679 --> 01:03:11.960
<v Speaker 1>either been disproven or have not been proven, and these

1221
01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:15.800
<v Speaker 1>are just rumors. I would ask to see sources. I

1222
01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:20.280
<v Speaker 1>would ask to see citations on things, because even some

1223
01:03:20.360 --> 01:03:23.119
<v Speaker 1>of the most basic tropes Timothy Wiley, guess what, that's

1224
01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:25.360
<v Speaker 1>not his real name. That's not his real name. Okay,

1225
01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:29.159
<v Speaker 1>we play the name game with these people. A lot

1226
01:03:29.199 --> 01:03:32.239
<v Speaker 1>of the information out there is not good or it

1227
01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:36.039
<v Speaker 1>is not verified yet, and it is speculation. And I

1228
01:03:36.159 --> 01:03:38.920
<v Speaker 1>do my best to not repeat those things as fact

1229
01:03:39.039 --> 01:03:41.400
<v Speaker 1>because I just don't think it's helpful because these people

1230
01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:44.519
<v Speaker 1>have flown under the radar since you know, nineteen sixty three,

1231
01:03:44.639 --> 01:03:48.280
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty four, and they will continue to quite frankly,

1232
01:03:48.519 --> 01:03:51.400
<v Speaker 1>until all of this stuff is ironed out. But I

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<v Speaker 1>would say the biggest thing is, you know, look for

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<v Speaker 1>it in music. It's a big problem as far as

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<v Speaker 1>I understand, in the horror core reps right now. I've

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<v Speaker 1>had a few of those hip hop artists reach out

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<v Speaker 1>to me apparently it's very problematic. And then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously the stuff with the Satanic Temple like fuck Lucy

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<v Speaker 1>and Greeves, Doug Dougie, you know, he says there and

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<v Speaker 1>goes on Tucker Carlson and acts like an edge lord,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and thinks that he's all tough, but he

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<v Speaker 1>can't handle a debate. I've tried to debate him and

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<v Speaker 1>he falls apart like a little girl. And that's because

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<v Speaker 1>when he's challenged on them being the process, he freaks

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<v Speaker 1>out because they don't want people to know.

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<v Speaker 2>I said that was gonna be the last question. I lied.

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<v Speaker 2>I just recalled as you were talking, and you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>what does I think even a better place to end

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<v Speaker 2>it at? You we had kind of talked about current events,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and tying into major world events. But I

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<v Speaker 2>know recently, I believe you'd made a post on it

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<v Speaker 2>and i'd seen he gets out, William Ramsey posts it

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<v Speaker 2>too or something. So I'll probably need you to explain

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more to me. But I remember seeing

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<v Speaker 2>a post going around of some recent I believe, some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of shooter of some sorts mom wearing a processed shirt.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was like a process church shirt, like the

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<v Speaker 2>very distinct like borderline swasika looking thing. I'm a jig,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, avoiding it was the Process symbol like

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<v Speaker 2>loud and proud RAI raid on her boobies. So uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know just what the fuck's up with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm actually glad that you brought that up. So

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<v Speaker 1>somebody actually anonymously sent that to me and they were like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody's talking about the Process thing. And when I started

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<v Speaker 1>looking through her Instagram, I was like, holy fuck. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is another good example. So this the Process has

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<v Speaker 1>stated from the outset, and this is something that Nicola

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<v Speaker 1>Shrek also states that you know, they use music as

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<v Speaker 1>a weapon. This is how they indoctrinate people. And this

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<v Speaker 1>has to do with like certain you know, tones of

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<v Speaker 1>the sound. I don't know. I'm not a fucking sound engineer,

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<v Speaker 1>don't ask me.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's all about frequencies and shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that kind of stuff exactly like putting you into

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<v Speaker 1>a more malleable state, so to speak. So she heavily

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01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:02.599
<v Speaker 1>promotes a band called Integrity. If you ask Integrity fans,

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<v Speaker 1>they're just lurping. They're not into it, even though this

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01:06:06.280 --> 01:06:09.320
<v Speaker 1>band has stated flat out that all of their music

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<v Speaker 1>is based off of process theology and that that's what

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<v Speaker 1>they are singing and preaching about. So her name was

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<v Speaker 1>Ashley Pardo. She's I think thirty two or thirty three.

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<v Speaker 1>This was in Texas and she was arrested because she

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<v Speaker 1>literally went out and bought Ammo protective gear and weapons

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01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:35.800
<v Speaker 1>because her son wanted to shoot up his middle school

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<v Speaker 1>and she fully supported it. CPS was involved, obviously, the

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01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:44.320
<v Speaker 1>school was involved. They were very worried, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the police had been called a few times as well,

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01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:49.400
<v Speaker 1>and she did not take action. She saw no problem

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<v Speaker 1>with it. It was a reward buying him that stuff

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<v Speaker 1>for babysitting his younger siblings, which is really crazy to me.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, it also tracks because I mean this

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01:06:58.719 --> 01:07:01.960
<v Speaker 1>is part of process belief, not only chaos, but also

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<v Speaker 1>you know, harming others. That's that's not a sin. Hurting

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01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:07.480
<v Speaker 1>other people is not a sin. That is something that

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<v Speaker 1>they believe. It is the reconciliation of opposites, right, so

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<v Speaker 1>good and bad. I just that was really insane to me.

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<v Speaker 1>They actually, I think this week, have to press charges

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<v Speaker 1>against that kid or they have to let them go.

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<v Speaker 1>They still have not formally charged the kid, and she

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<v Speaker 1>is out on bond. Her bond was seventy five thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>not seven hundred and fifty thousand. I thought that the

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five thousand was the ten percent that she had

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<v Speaker 1>to put down. It was seventy five thousand dollars. They

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<v Speaker 1>let her out, and also they changed the terms of

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<v Speaker 1>her bond so that she could go to work.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, what ten percent of your bond you had

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<v Speaker 2>to pay for? So she didn't pay like seven point

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<v Speaker 2>five k.

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<v Speaker 1>I thank you, yeah, which I mean is still a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money. Like I'm not batting, I'm batting an

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<v Speaker 1>eye at that. That would have change my life.

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<v Speaker 2>But but I could do it.

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<v Speaker 1>What for what she did? Yeah, helping to facilitate a

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<v Speaker 1>school shooting is fucking insane. And when they went into

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<v Speaker 1>the house, you know because I read the warrant and

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01:08:06.639 --> 01:08:10.280
<v Speaker 1>the police report and it didn't detail everything, but he

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01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:14.119
<v Speaker 1>had all these like modified homemade bombs. They said that

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<v Speaker 1>it was going to be The cops were like, this

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01:08:15.920 --> 01:08:17.680
<v Speaker 1>was going to be a mass casualty event. The way

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<v Speaker 1>that these bombs were modified. I'm like, holy shit. And

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<v Speaker 1>they found a lot of like Nazi regalia, Nazi literature.

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01:08:25.720 --> 01:08:29.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering what process stuff they probably found in that

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<v Speaker 1>house as well, you know, because she was sporting her

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01:08:32.640 --> 01:08:36.079
<v Speaker 1>Charles Manson tattoo that she had just gotten. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all of this tracks. But these people are going to

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<v Speaker 1>sit here and tell you that they're just being at

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<v Speaker 1>edge lords, and I would say, why why does this

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<v Speaker 1>continue to happen all throughout the decades unless these people

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<v Speaker 1>really believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, then it's been absolute pleasure for having you on

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01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:50.640
<v Speaker 2>the show. Let people know where they can find you

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<v Speaker 2>at and we'll go ahead and get the hell on

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<v Speaker 2>out of.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, all right. Thank you. Rotting Jewels on YouTube and Instagram,

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<v Speaker 1>Dana Doudah on Twitter And what is the podcast? What

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<v Speaker 1>does the Process podcast wherever you listen.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, well, I appreciate you going on here. We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have you have another outro from our our long

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<v Speaker 2>gone video editor, but I appreciate you joining us. For

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01:09:12.319 --> 01:09:14.039
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01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:15.840
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01:09:37.039 --> 01:09:39.159
<v Speaker 2>and Austin's weekly call in show, which we're doing tomorrow

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01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:41.920
<v Speaker 2>but usually on Tuesdays at nine thirty pm Eastern on

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01:09:42.039 --> 01:09:44.159
<v Speaker 2>both of our platforms. Also give a big shout out

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01:09:44.199 --> 01:09:46.880
<v Speaker 2>to my sponsors every week. I just say I love

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<v Speaker 2>you and thank you for giving me money and helping

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<v Speaker 2>me do what I do. I have my coast on

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<v Speaker 2>Tuttle at John Cleebl. Yeah, I doesn't give me money

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<v Speaker 2>any more, but I'm still shut them out. Just I

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<v Speaker 2>love him, Will Bell, the delicious blueberr Rabbit, Eye Wine,

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<v Speaker 2>big Foot in the show, Torn May, and Jordan Peterson,

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01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:08.479
<v Speaker 2>that Kermit motherfucker. But with that, let's gohe and get

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<v Speaker 2>out of here. And I'm sure I'll have Dana on

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<v Speaker 2>again at some point. See you all later