Speaker 1: You know, it's the church is ultimately like the hand
Speaker 1: that feeds that cult. And then underneath that is, you know,
Speaker 1: we have the Process, we have Best Friends Animal Society,
Speaker 1: and then we have the Satanic Temple. So it's all
Speaker 1: three of those almost like a triangle under these science
Speaker 1: because I think it was in the nineties the FBI
Speaker 1: told ed that there are process files that they have
Speaker 1: and they are in the JFK library and the red
Speaker 1: Pace section and inaccessible whatever that.
Speaker 2: Shop shop h H.
Speaker 1: On the internet. These process folks, they always leave out
Speaker 1: the very extensive history of the processes involvement in prison ministry,
Speaker 1: hospital ministry, et cetera, and children's hospitals. So I think
Speaker 1: that there's something else going on here that's a lot darker.
Speaker 2: Shod Hey, what's up, guys. Welcome to another episode of
Speaker 2: the Noway Jose Podcasts. I will be joined today by
Speaker 2: Dana Dooda of the Rotting Jewels podcast or I guess
Speaker 2: you could say the I'm one with Confused branding as
Speaker 2: well as many show as I have. I guess that's
Speaker 2: the what is the Process podcast? I'm not sure. I
Speaker 2: highly recommend it, though we'll get to that. I'll let
Speaker 2: her dole out her branding. She'll probably do a better
Speaker 2: job of that, but I'm looking forward to having her on.
Speaker 2: It's been a while since I've had her on, and
Speaker 2: somehow I don't think I've actually really ever done a
Speaker 2: more process focused episode, although we have other things to
Speaker 2: talk about. Two we did one on Already Dead, as
Speaker 2: you can tell by that intro. That was a edit
Speaker 2: made for us by the old jolly On Kleebold before
Speaker 2: he left off to go to prison. And that'll probably
Speaker 2: want the things we'll talk about today, which is obviously
Speaker 2: unfortunate news. But without any more Ado, let's go ahead
Speaker 2: and get into it. What's up? How are you doing?
Speaker 1: Dan? Now?
Speaker 2: Doo dah? Hello, how are you doing? All right? Pleasure
Speaker 2: to have you here. It is weird, as I've had
Speaker 2: three weird major events happen all at once recently. In
Speaker 2: two out of three I think very much concern you, Like,
Speaker 2: it's not very much. You definitely were in the fray.
Speaker 2: One of them was my silly offensive comedy podcast broke
Speaker 2: Up that had nothing to do with you. No, you
Speaker 2: don't care whatever that was like, dudes, Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: the Dude Bros. Podcast. Yeah yeah, yeah, uh but no,
Speaker 2: then they also have the Richard Booth meltdown, and then
Speaker 2: we have the Jolly and Klee Bowl or Tim Tuttle
Speaker 2: or whatever the various names that people call him by.
Speaker 2: I think his name is like Jay West. I mean
Speaker 2: I still call him by his ault. I mean, anyone
Speaker 2: could look that up. Now. It's not really dosing him.
Speaker 2: I mean everyone knows. But uh yeah, I mean that
Speaker 2: was bet sad news. I mean, we played that intro.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I know there were a lot of
Speaker 2: people who jumped to conclusions. I have no idea at
Speaker 2: this point. Who knows. Maybe he's a fed and maybe
Speaker 2: he's not. I kind of lean towards he's not, but
Speaker 2: I mean I obviously biased and developed a friendship with
Speaker 2: a guy to some degree, so a little bit bomber.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you have any thoughts on that.
Speaker 2: I guess it just seemed like it makes sense to
Speaker 2: talk you Bet that while you're here. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I do. You guys seem to have a
Speaker 2: bit of a kinship, so.
Speaker 1: CLIPS like that was awesome that you played the because
Speaker 1: when he made that, I was like, that's awesome because
Speaker 1: I know that, like it's a form of like creativity
Speaker 1: and like expression. So he's one of the first people
Speaker 1: that taught me. I mean, I think it's I don't
Speaker 1: think he was a fed I mean I didn't talk
Speaker 1: to him that much, but I never got that vibe.
Speaker 1: He was pretty straightforward with me. He was mostly interested
Speaker 1: in like the Alex Jones scientology stuff. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I just think it's really crazy that you're he's so
Speaker 1: young and facing life that like you're on X dealing
Speaker 1: with this bullshit, like go and enjoy your life a
Speaker 1: little bit, you know, like and I just but I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you never know. I mean maybe he was
Speaker 1: a you know, violent person. Maybe he wasn't. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just I don't know. There's a bit of cognitive
Speaker 1: dissonance there.
Speaker 2: I just said.
Speaker 1: But I don't blame you. I think you know, you
Speaker 1: having a friendship with him, I think your normal. Your
Speaker 1: reaction was totally fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is a whatever. It's eye opening. He's
Speaker 2: just a bummer losing people in this sphere. I mean,
Speaker 2: I have no idea about the guilt or black thereof
Speaker 2: I haven't. As I've said many times, he could be
Speaker 2: guilty as hell, and I still see it as a
Speaker 2: sad waste, you know either way. So I'm so, I mean,
Speaker 2: it is what it is. I mean, I'm sure maybe
Speaker 2: we'll find out more to come, but all right, let's talk.
Speaker 2: I guess a little bit about the Richard Booth thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, I saw you jumped in the middle of it.
Speaker 2: I know, I don't know if maybe you're friends with
Speaker 2: Wendy or something. It seems like you did kind of
Speaker 2: knee jerk jump in. I had stayed out at that
Speaker 2: point because, for one, I had no idea I had
Speaker 2: seen him freaking out, but I did the fuck really,
Speaker 2: I just kind of like I got my own shit
Speaker 2: going on. You're like, You're like, it's like I obviously,
Speaker 2: I'm like I need to take a moment in process
Speaker 2: whatever the hell is going over here. And I saw you,
Speaker 2: and then then within like a day or so, the
Speaker 2: flat came my way because I had the gall like
Speaker 2: you did, to say something. So I know, this is
Speaker 2: this show right now is Paywalt's is gonna go out
Speaker 2: weeks later. But I do feel like it's worth mentioning
Speaker 2: because I did do a whole episode because I got
Speaker 2: accused of little I don't know if you followed along
Speaker 2: with all this, and I don't expect you to or not.
Speaker 2: I jumped into the middle of this, essentially with Richard
Speaker 2: in his weird meltdown and said something like since she
Speaker 2: was threatening to beat up Ken Silva, and I was
Speaker 2: just like, hey man, what are we doing here? This
Speaker 2: is silly, And then he started to beat me up
Speaker 2: and the next thing you know, he's accusing me of
Speaker 2: rape and soft doxing me. So I don't know, Like
Speaker 2: I said, I don't know if you felt fallow along
Speaker 2: with all of that.
Speaker 1: So I missed some of it. I missed some of it,
Speaker 1: but I watched her live where you were talking about it,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, oh, so, like Booth has
Speaker 1: completely gone off the rails, because like I've I've talked
Speaker 1: to doctor Painting. She's super nice, super smart lady, and
Speaker 1: you know, I am not familiar with like most of
Speaker 1: the lore of the stuff that's happened between them, and
Speaker 1: quite frankly, I don't really care.
Speaker 2: I That's kind of where I was. Yeah, I like,
Speaker 2: I was aware of it cursory, but I stay out
Speaker 2: of it, like whatever.
Speaker 1: It was acting like a psycho though the stuff he
Speaker 1: was saying, and I'm like Okay, I see like other
Speaker 1: accounts that, presumably how they present themselves, would identify as male.
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, where are the bitches standing up
Speaker 1: for Doctor Painting?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: And so that's why I said something, because I'm like, dude,
Speaker 1: you you just you sound unhinged and like you're making
Speaker 1: these veiled threats. And this reminds me. It reminded me
Speaker 1: so much of like the Son of Sam, sort of
Speaker 1: like research Millu where people just like make threats and like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm going to withhold this or I'm going to share
Speaker 1: all of this research, and it's like, what is that
Speaker 1: doing for the topic that you guys have all worked
Speaker 1: so hard on? Like you're taking away from that over
Speaker 1: personal gripes and bringing up like people's you know, private
Speaker 1: intimate things that whatever your feelings are about it or not,
Speaker 1: it's nobody else's business, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: he admitted what he did. I saw those DMS, and
Speaker 1: that was when I determined my feelings about him as
Speaker 1: far as him being inappropriate it with Doctor Painting's son.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm good, but yeah, that was
Speaker 1: really crazy. And what he accused you of was a
Speaker 1: huge escalation I was like, Wow, this escalated really quickly,
Speaker 1: didn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I mean in retrospect. I mean, part of
Speaker 2: the reason why I bring this up is because while
Speaker 2: I know this, we're in a weird time. Vault is
Speaker 2: going to go out later, so I don't know what
Speaker 2: the status of things will be later. But oh, currently,
Speaker 2: right now, I don't assume you'd be paying attention to this,
Speaker 2: the status of all this. But he's back on substack,
Speaker 2: posting as if nothing ever happened, like research articles, which
Speaker 2: is great, I guess whatever. I mean, there's no drama,
Speaker 2: no nothing in him. I've read them some good research
Speaker 2: from three h two, so I'm like, okay. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, it's like I kinda gotta be like
Speaker 2: that's I know, just let it and be known, because
Speaker 2: I've had people, for one they're like, hey, that's out there,
Speaker 2: It's it's insane. This is a multi day spree of
Speaker 2: this and then just back into reality like nothing happened.
Speaker 2: I just think at the very least it's worthwhile to
Speaker 2: mention that so people are aware. I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't want to even want I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: of all received an apology or even if I get one.
Speaker 2: I guess my point is just the kind of person
Speaker 2: that behaves like this a little sketched out, so I
Speaker 2: don't know, just I feel like I'm almost obligated to
Speaker 2: let the world know that kind of where things are.
Speaker 2: There has no at least there hasn't been apologies, and
Speaker 2: if there has been, at this time, it's still kind
Speaker 2: of like this is a gigantic, glaring red flag. And
Speaker 2: I'm hoping anyone who, if he's in any sort of
Speaker 2: position to have any sort of monopoly on any research,
Speaker 2: hopefully that gets quick fixed, real fucking quick.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: I agree, this would be the time to, you know,
Speaker 1: address that situation because it's again, it's like not even
Speaker 1: a personal thing. It's like, look at how quickly flips
Speaker 1: on a dime towards people and doesn't control his emotions.
Speaker 1: And I just I personally, you know, I know that
Speaker 1: there was some discussion about you know, possible substance use
Speaker 1: legal you know, substance use, but I'm still pretty.
Speaker 2: Clear he's drunk some sort of crash out of it.
Speaker 2: But it's not excuse. I mean, it's a.
Speaker 1: Multi day thing. It makes you lie ability, especially with
Speaker 1: some of the subjects that you're discussing it puts other
Speaker 1: people at risk as well.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, no, uh so, I just think it's worthwhile
Speaker 2: being thrown out there that that is a thing, so
Speaker 2: be aware. I don't know, it's honestly just bizarre that
Speaker 2: that's a thing. And then I also just kind of it.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's kind of a shame because I
Speaker 2: have gotten to know Wendy lately more through this. I'd
Speaker 2: already kind of touch base and developed her relationship a
Speaker 2: little before then because I started covering some of her
Speaker 2: recent threads she's been putting out for research. I've been
Speaker 2: making episodes out of those, and so we've kind of
Speaker 2: she's been giving me feedback when being kind of going
Speaker 2: back and forth before that, but then when this stuff
Speaker 2: kicked off and went even further. But I've always been
Speaker 2: very much a research guy. But there were these whisper
Speaker 2: campaigns and this crash out you saw from Richard for people,
Speaker 2: I do think people should be aware. This wasn't just
Speaker 2: this clearly came from somewhere, so it wasn't just a
Speaker 2: point being as like these things like the abortions and
Speaker 2: the other things she's acclaimed about Wendy, which I feel
Speaker 2: weird bringing up but she's claimed over and over again
Speaker 2: this is not true to me, and like, which whateverson?
Speaker 2: It was like whatever, I mean, that's a whole separate discussion,
Speaker 2: but why the fuck is that even coming up? But
Speaker 2: like she's claiming complete, one hundred percent not true, and
Speaker 2: I think it's relevant to bring up now because I
Speaker 2: can tell you mean obviously once again the joke of
Speaker 2: that whole stream I put the step brothers, I'm so
Speaker 2: not a raper. It's like, what do you say to
Speaker 2: being accused of rape other than I'm so not a raper?
Speaker 2: But we have two people here at least that are
Speaker 2: being accused of wildly insane things, and one of which
Speaker 2: I'm telling you are these are things I recall him
Speaker 2: mentioning in DMS. Before that, I just kind of just
Speaker 2: didn't really care because you're just like, I don't really
Speaker 2: care about some adult man's drama. Okay, all right, kind
Speaker 2: of cool man, you know whatever. Didn't get it, but
Speaker 2: you know you does. It does kind of color your
Speaker 2: impression of someone, And so because of that, I did
Speaker 2: kind of as you said, like why are the guy?
Speaker 2: Why are the why am I jumping in? Where are
Speaker 2: the dudes, why you're all being bitches And it's like, well,
Speaker 2: none of us really had that sort of rapport, and uh,
Speaker 2: like I had no idea what's going on. So, if anything,
Speaker 2: my bias was towards Richard, although I will be honest,
Speaker 2: I did get a little bit of the lore, and
Speaker 2: the more that I dug into some of the lore,
Speaker 2: the more I'm like, I don't know if you want
Speaker 2: me to keep digging, buddy, So maybe you shouldn't be
Speaker 2: trying to claw this out to the surface. It doesn't
Speaker 2: look so good. So like, I don't know, I'll give
Speaker 2: you a great, big, huge benefit of the doubt because
Speaker 2: it's pretty wildly strong accusations. But when you act like
Speaker 2: this and when you get accused of something insane and
Speaker 2: you go I'm gonna take my ball home and no
Speaker 2: one else gonna have my ball ever again, or ever
Speaker 2: have balls, I don't know, it kind of makes you
Speaker 2: look like the guilty party.
Speaker 1: It was behavior was very telling. I was like, bro,
Speaker 1: you're not helping your case at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't know. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: the truth, but I just want that to be known
Speaker 2: out there that it's multiple people have reached out I
Speaker 2: just felt like maybe you had some sort of inside
Speaker 2: information or something else, some other angle to this, because
Speaker 2: you were one of the first people jump in. So
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, but hey, we brought it up,
Speaker 2: and I also I keep me in to bring it
Speaker 2: up my morning show, and I keep forgetting too, so hey,
Speaker 2: here was a good time to bring it up to Like, Hey,
Speaker 2: I know he's out there. I'm aware. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'll probably even still cover his research if he has
Speaker 2: good research, but I mean it's probably always gonna be
Speaker 2: with a caveat of like, don't develop any relationships with
Speaker 2: this man.
Speaker 1: And I'm definitely not a raper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm definitely not a raper. But I guess with that,
Speaker 2: let's get into some actual, real, substantive Although that is substantive,
Speaker 2: it does affect real research, but it is silly drama
Speaker 2: at the same time. But we have had a crazy,
Speaker 2: frankly crazy past what like seventy two hours and especially
Speaker 2: the past two weeks. I know you're not really You're
Speaker 2: more in the parapolitical world. I kind of dabble in
Speaker 2: both political analysis and parapolitical But part of the reason
Speaker 2: why I dabble in both is because they kind of are.
Speaker 2: Really there's really not much of a huge difference. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's there's obviously differences, but point being is like one's theory,
Speaker 2: one's application. You're like, Okay, government's evil, there's theory, here's
Speaker 2: all the evil shit they do. Here's application, there's parapolitics.
Speaker 2: And I know you linger more in the pair of politics,
Speaker 2: but we've had some wild shit going on, and you
Speaker 2: cover what I especially actually the more you dig into it,
Speaker 2: it's it's one of these things when you start digging
Speaker 2: into the process, you think it's just like inconsequential weird
Speaker 2: maybe ooh, maybe you know, had some minor influences on
Speaker 2: the you know, the music scene or this or that,
Speaker 2: and but the more you dig into it, you're the
Speaker 2: more like, holy fucking shit, and you're like, point being,
Speaker 2: it's so kind of what I'm driving out here. We're
Speaker 2: in this weird time right now, Like I've we're in
Speaker 2: this weird time where I'm not gonna get in the
Speaker 2: ins and outs the specific things going on, but there
Speaker 2: is clearly hidden hands happening. There are things, there are
Speaker 2: decisions being made, and clearly the the whys are being obscured,
Speaker 2: the forces that drive them to make certain decisions, certain
Speaker 2: ways are being obscured, and I think that is super
Speaker 2: prescient when one talks about something like the process. So
Speaker 2: I just kind of wanted to get your thoughts. I
Speaker 2: don't know, I know when I mean, especially since I've
Speaker 2: gotten so into like things like OGM, slade bombing, I'm
Speaker 2: always driving parallels or ways to connect this to it.
Speaker 2: I'm just kind of wondering, have you had any thoughts?
Speaker 2: Has anything really come to the mind with all of this.
Speaker 2: I mean, hell, obviously kind of the biggest thing I
Speaker 2: think I'd probably be driving as a lot of the
Speaker 2: RFK connections and stuff, but just generally speaking, just thoughts
Speaker 2: about just kind of just in general the world, I
Speaker 2: mean kind of open wherever you want to go with that.
Speaker 2: But there's I think there's probably a lot of different threads.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if you want to tie into
Speaker 2: research or not. But I'm just kind of curious where
Speaker 2: you're at with all this because it is kind of
Speaker 2: there are clearly hidden forces at play here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I mean I think with the process, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of why I try to reiterate the point
Speaker 1: is that you know it's directly connected to Scientology. You know,
Speaker 1: Scientology is the big umbrella, and especially you know with
Speaker 1: this administration, there are a lot of Scientology ties to
Speaker 1: this administration, including Pam Bondi. You know, she's been getting
Speaker 1: funding from Scientology and has been promoted by Scientology since
Speaker 1: I think like two thousand and nine. That's a really
Speaker 1: long time, and she's known that they were the ones
Speaker 1: who were supporting her, who were platforming her, and people say,
Speaker 1: you know, you have to be in a Scientology publication
Speaker 1: or something like that to be a scientologist. What the
Speaker 1: public doesn't really know is that there's the free zone scientologists.
Speaker 1: There's the independent Scientology movement, like there's all these separate
Speaker 1: movements along with the Process, the Satanic Temple and best Friends,
Speaker 1: where all of these people, if I'm getting money from them,
Speaker 1: you can guarantee that I'm being ordained by the church.
Speaker 1: I'm speaking on behalf of their interests, right, And that's
Speaker 1: the same thing with RFK teaming up with them back
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. But also he was working with
Speaker 1: a law firm that was run by scientologists and staffed
Speaker 1: with only scientologists. One can safely assume then that RFK
Speaker 1: is also a scientologist. And this is when he's in California, and.
Speaker 2: Oh, I got back. I could slow you down real
Speaker 2: quick because when I said RFK, I meant senior. Maybe
Speaker 2: I missed some notes. I was not aware of the
Speaker 2: junior implications. So just just rehash that real quick, because
Speaker 2: I was getting at the senior stuff, you know, all
Speaker 2: the application because you know what I mean, Excuse the
Speaker 2: fuck out of me?
Speaker 3: What like do the DJ rewind said, no, I'm talking
Speaker 3: about RFK junior, all right, like he's balls deep in scientology.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not surprised, neither of my.
Speaker 1: So he I cannot remember the name of the law firm,
Speaker 1: but it was around the time I want to say
Speaker 1: it was the big pr move. I want to say
Speaker 1: twenty ten, maybe a little bit earlier, when Lewis Ferricahon
Speaker 1: teamed up with David Muscavage and the Nation of Islam
Speaker 1: was making their big merger with the Church of Scientology,
Speaker 1: because they're completely merged now. But RFK was heavily involved
Speaker 1: in that. In the law firm that he was working
Speaker 1: at at that time was founded by scientologists and only
Speaker 1: staffed with scientologists. Now obviously Rfk's thing, and there is
Speaker 1: a discussion to be had. I agree about vaccines, but
Speaker 1: there were former members of NI who said that, you know,
Speaker 1: they were basically targeting, you know, the minority community, specifically
Speaker 1: using vaccines as emotional leverage and forcing dianetics on these people,
Speaker 1: because it came out in the wikileak stuff about ferri
Speaker 1: Con saying, you know, you're not going to be able
Speaker 1: to succeed in NI unless you go clear. You have
Speaker 1: to achieve the level of clear. And they've been preaching
Speaker 1: you know, Hubbard's beliefs and child auditors auditing adults, which
Speaker 1: is just a whole other, really dark thing. But then
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, specifically, RFK launched his own initiative
Speaker 1: where he was teaming up with the Church of Scientology
Speaker 1: for like GMO activis, vaccine awareness activism, all of that.
Speaker 1: And then like I said, you know, Pam Bondi her
Speaker 1: ties to Scientology, I think that's really weird. One of
Speaker 1: the wealthiest scientologists in the UK, his name is John Mappham.
Speaker 1: He lives in a giant castle and he is one
Speaker 1: of Trump's biggest supporters. And this dude literally waves a
Speaker 1: flag on the top of his castle. It's got a
Speaker 1: Kia on it. This dude has a QAnon castle and
Speaker 1: he freaking loves Trump.
Speaker 2: Hmm. That's that's funny. While I was thinking today, I
Speaker 2: was like spinning on Q and like kind of parallel
Speaker 2: that was actually one of the ELM threads I was
Speaker 2: thinking of, Like how to connect it to modern day
Speaker 2: events is Q because it's like, you know, kind of
Speaker 2: I think one of the implications of the process is
Speaker 2: the idea of like almost this I don't know undergirding
Speaker 2: like system from which maybe other cults can sort of
Speaker 2: spread off of or something like that, so like, and
Speaker 2: the idea of and it's also like kind of like
Speaker 2: the ultimate kind of driving ideas. This is some sort
Speaker 2: of like I don't know, like intel whatever the fuck,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, I'm losing being a retard right here.
Speaker 2: Not think of the word I mean, but you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like it's some sort of Navy intel
Speaker 2: operation of sorts. It's some sort of religious methodology to
Speaker 2: spread beliefs. And yeah, dude, these multifaceted there's so many
Speaker 2: different things you can do with it. But if you
Speaker 2: were looking for a modern equivalent or you know, or
Speaker 2: a modern iteration of it, you know, on like a
Speaker 2: grand stage, especially if you're looking at like it from
Speaker 2: the perspective of you know, the hid in hand and
Speaker 2: the powers that be. Not much better to look at
Speaker 2: than something like qu I guess have you seen much
Speaker 2: of there? I mean, obviously we just kind of is
Speaker 2: there something to that or is that just kind of
Speaker 2: their pair? Obviously just mentioned the guy in the castle,
Speaker 2: but I mean, I don't know, it seems yeah.
Speaker 1: There is absolutely something to it. So I see Q
Speaker 1: as like sort of almost like gamifying that concept with
Speaker 1: you know, AC cult, because obviously you're not having all
Speaker 1: these people come and get independently audited, right, They're not
Speaker 1: all like sitting at a room chanting some of them
Speaker 1: maybe who the hell knows, I don't want to know,
Speaker 1: but I think that, you know, having it online kind
Speaker 1: of gamifies it. And the reason somebody had tagged me
Speaker 1: in a post that John Mappin had posted, And this
Speaker 1: is a narrative that a lot of Q people push,
Speaker 1: and I think that it's really bizarre, but it also
Speaker 1: makes sense and speaks to what you're saying. Is you
Speaker 1: know that l Ron Hubbard was like when the first
Speaker 1: ones to expose the deep state, right because the church
Speaker 1: pushes the narrative that Jack Parsons when he was doing
Speaker 1: his Babylon working, that l Ron Hubbard was definitely not
Speaker 1: getting freaky with Parsons out in the desert. He was
Speaker 1: sent there as a covert operation to like shut it down.
Speaker 1: It wasn't him and Marjorie Cameron, you know, Honey Potten
Speaker 1: and Honey dick in him and getting him killed. And
Speaker 1: then you know, the same thing with operations snow white,
Speaker 1: like they try to paint that as scientology got into
Speaker 1: the government and they exposed all of the holes and
Speaker 1: the weaknesses and blah blah blah blah, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of truth to that, but there's
Speaker 1: also a lot of other elements there, and that's a
Speaker 1: limited hangout within itself. So I think that there is
Speaker 1: a lot of parallels, and people are really pushing the
Speaker 1: Hubbard thing as of late. I mean people have also
Speaker 1: been I've seen people sharing videos of Tom Cruise like, oh,
Speaker 1: like what if Tom Cruise is right about you know, X,
Speaker 1: Y and Z, And it's like, oh, how quickly we
Speaker 1: forget that he was jumping on Oprah's couch acting like
Speaker 1: a complete fucking psycho like and but that's scientology. It's
Speaker 1: David Miscavige. He's basically his pony boy. So why is
Speaker 1: David putting him out here in the public eye. That's
Speaker 1: my question, you know, is why is David trotting him
Speaker 1: out right now? Because that's really suspicious to me.
Speaker 2: Uh One. One question I was thinking earlier because you
Speaker 2: were you mentioned the Nation of Islam and kind of
Speaker 2: linking up with different groups, and it reminded me, I mean,
Speaker 2: especially in my research and the you know, the okay
Speaker 2: see the racist right whatever, there were lots of talks
Speaker 2: around the nineties of linking up with like say, Christian
Speaker 2: identity movements, probably with probably the closest intagram I guess
Speaker 2: they're but you know, I guess more like a Aryan nations,
Speaker 2: different different racist groups. We're talking about pairing up with
Speaker 2: Nation of Islam because obviously it makes sense like they're
Speaker 2: you know, it's as silly as it is, like hey,
Speaker 2: I'm racist, you're racist. Let's be racist together. Like so,
Speaker 2: I mean, it makes sense. And so I'm kind of curious,
Speaker 2: have you I've seen anything, because Christian identity is something
Speaker 2: I still haven't completely wrapped my head around. It's just
Speaker 2: such a wacky, kooky sort of thing. I'm just kind
Speaker 2: of curious. Have you seen anything in the realm of
Speaker 2: the process influencing Christian identity, because it does, I mean,
Speaker 2: it still can't get a great It doesn't seem to
Speaker 2: have too many parallels, to be honest, But I haven't
Speaker 2: dug enough into it to really see any symbolism or
Speaker 2: anything particular about Christian identity that stands out, But so
Speaker 2: far as the realm of spooky glowy stuff and then religions,
Speaker 2: it kind of has it there. But I just didn't
Speaker 2: know if there's anything else you've ever seen, because I
Speaker 2: don't know it would make sense, I guess, But if not,
Speaker 2: whatever that makes sense too.
Speaker 1: I can't think of anything off the top of my head.
Speaker 1: But to be fair, I'm still drowning in the Manson timeline.
Speaker 1: Now they do get into like the tent Revival movement,
Speaker 1: which is going to have some Christian identity. It's also
Speaker 1: going to have a lot of the sort of New
Speaker 1: Thought movement, which is more like the Jones thing, the
Speaker 1: Jim Jones thing that also has a lot of Christian
Speaker 1: identity to it, because a lot of that is, you know,
Speaker 1: a racist ideology mixed with you know, tent revival, faith
Speaker 1: healing all of that, because the process was doing the
Speaker 1: faith healing stuff too, like the laying of hands and
Speaker 1: casting out you know, cancer or whatever. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: that they were well, I don't know if they would
Speaker 1: be using animal guts since they love animals. I'm not
Speaker 1: quite sure how they would sess that out with the public,
Speaker 1: but they were involved in the same thing. So and yes,
Speaker 1: I mean obviously the extremist movements, you know, like Nazi groups,
Speaker 1: extreme white right wing sort of fascist groups. That is
Speaker 1: part of their belief system, so that tracks. And then also,
Speaker 1: you know, there's this weird thing with you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of scientologists think that you know, because they believe
Speaker 1: in past lives, right, and they're audited about their past lives.
Speaker 1: A lot of them think that they were SS officers
Speaker 1: in their past life. So there's a lot of weird
Speaker 1: Nazi stuff there.
Speaker 2: Now, I guess to get into I guess symbolism bridging
Speaker 2: from one thing to the other. I've kind of, I
Speaker 2: guess a side bar a little thing that I've been
Speaker 2: interested in as a lately, as kind of temple of
Speaker 2: set and a kino and things of that like and
Speaker 2: there seems to be tie ins here and it seems
Speaker 2: like I mean, when it comes to the Kino ideology,
Speaker 2: uh it is you know set it's like kind of
Speaker 2: religion kind of not I got into it a little bit.
Speaker 2: It's like sort of this worship of self. You could
Speaker 2: say they kind of woo woo the concept of the self.
Speaker 2: There is a I mean, they do get into the
Speaker 2: idea of I think there's some like youngyin shadow type
Speaker 2: shit in there which kind of comes up a lot too.
Speaker 2: You see that and look with a concepts like of
Speaker 2: Braxis when it comes to like the good and the
Speaker 2: evil that you see sometimes as well you get from
Speaker 2: what I forget is I think they have three deities
Speaker 2: in a process. Right, technically it's like Lucifer, Jesus and
Speaker 2: Satan or something.
Speaker 1: So it's Christ, Lucifer, Jehovah and Satan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But either way, there's there's sort of different representations
Speaker 2: of like kind of essentially yblism of like different sides
Speaker 2: of oneself. It's kind of the young in shadow thing,
Speaker 2: the concept which which there is truth to it in
Speaker 2: a philosophical sense, I think, and the idea of like
Speaker 2: incorporating your shadow. We all kind of have a dark
Speaker 2: side to us. You should be aware of it to
Speaker 2: be able to mitigate it. But I think sometimes almost
Speaker 2: the message that we get from some of these spooky
Speaker 2: things is like, oh, you incorporate your shadow as in
Speaker 2: like kind of embrace it or something which can have
Speaker 2: some dark, dark implications. So I guess what I'm kind
Speaker 2: of driving at here is if you make the jump
Speaker 2: from the ideology of the Temple of Set, is there,
Speaker 2: like do you see like is you see like them
Speaker 2: coming from obviously they came from scientology, but even then
Speaker 2: it's kind of like it's almost like when you get
Speaker 2: down the base, like are we looking at like kabala shit,
Speaker 2: where like one thing goes to the other, Like, I know,
Speaker 2: any any thoughts there because obviously the Temple of Set,
Speaker 2: I know you have in your research set it kind
Speaker 2: of links in and let's be real, to some degree,
Speaker 2: we're kind of pushing at that these are sort of
Speaker 2: fake cults. Essentially, These are almost like a lattices is
Speaker 2: a belief upon which they build off of, almost like
Speaker 2: cargo cults kind of like, oh, move on to the
Speaker 2: next thing. So yeah, I don't just just any thoughts
Speaker 2: on that just like the connection where they bridge from
Speaker 2: one belief system to the other. And then I guess
Speaker 2: also the kind of the Quino connection.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the process. Reportedly, I have not been able
Speaker 1: to find proof, but a former member stated and ads
Speaker 1: files that there was an inner circle called the Holy
Speaker 1: Egyptsy Holy Egyptian Family, which apparently worship Set also, And
Speaker 1: you know, it's there's narratives that go around about, you know,
Speaker 1: did a Quino really worship Set? You know, did he
Speaker 1: worship this sort of you know, dark deity, this Satanic loo,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever you want to call it, Satanic evil deity,
Speaker 1: you know, because it is supposed to represent darkness. And
Speaker 1: when you read his books about the Temple of Set,
Speaker 1: and when you're reading interviews from Lilith back in the
Speaker 1: day and interviews from him, they took it very seriously.
Speaker 1: So why should we assume that they were lying? Right,
Speaker 1: Like now, Nicholas Shrek is out here saying basically what
Speaker 1: Aquino said about Anton Levey, that Aquino was a charlatan
Speaker 1: and you know, he was a con man. Now, look,
Speaker 1: I think that all of these guys are conment I
Speaker 1: think that you have to be in order to be
Speaker 1: in this position to an extent, but that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that they didn't believe it. And I don't accept this
Speaker 1: whole like historical revisionism. I think that it's complete trash.
Speaker 1: As far as you know, there's been some weird commentary
Speaker 1: from Aquino about the process, which I think is kind
Speaker 1: of shady, like him dissing the process and saying that,
Speaker 1: you know, they're making the Satanists look bad, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: where would you get that from? And part of my
Speaker 1: suspicion is that him and David Berkowitz were both stationed
Speaker 1: at I believe it was Fort Knox at the same time.
Speaker 1: They were there for quite a while, and Aquino was
Speaker 1: actually setting up that location's Church of Satan with his
Speaker 1: first wife, who was a Mormon. Uh, he was setting
Speaker 1: it up there with her. So I'm like, did David
Speaker 1: and Aquino spend time together? Because I just don't really
Speaker 1: see that as happenstance. That's kind of weird. And then
Speaker 1: you know, with scientology, just thinking about you know, a
Speaker 1: Quino and psychological warfare and you know, advanced technology things
Speaker 1: like that. You know, scientology is heavily involved in remote viewing.
Speaker 1: They were heavily involved in the Stanford Research Institute. I
Speaker 1: mean that is, you know, getting into mind war literally,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I think that there is
Speaker 1: a lot of crossover there. I just don't think that
Speaker 1: a Queeno's been dead long enough. I think that we
Speaker 1: have to wait for more information to come out. Quite frankly,
Speaker 1: what's that?
Speaker 2: I mean, are you speaking on the genuine the degree
Speaker 2: to which he was genuine in his beliefs? Is that
Speaker 2: that you're no.
Speaker 1: I would like to see like all of his records,
Speaker 1: like as far as his military records. I think that
Speaker 1: that would be really helpful because obviously, you know, I
Speaker 1: think he was pretty braggadocious about certain things, and it
Speaker 1: would just be nice to be able to see all
Speaker 1: of his records because I mean, most of what we
Speaker 1: have in his FBI file is the stuff about the
Speaker 1: Presidio investigation, and a lot of that stuff has redacted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I recently covered they dropped some new
Speaker 2: files and I'm not sure if there was like a
Speaker 2: little brochure in there because I'm not going to really
Speaker 2: read his whole whole fucking book in his philosophy, I
Speaker 2: don't care that much.
Speaker 1: It's a horrible.
Speaker 2: Exactly, but he wrote, like in the recent docs that
Speaker 2: came out, there was like a pamphlet that was probably
Speaker 2: ten to twenty pages. It goes over the belief and
Speaker 2: at least I kind of did an episode breaking it down.
Speaker 2: And the way I interpret it is like you could
Speaker 2: interpret this. It really very much was open to interpretation,
Speaker 2: sort of whether you wanted to see set as like
Speaker 2: some sort of metaphor or something, because it very much
Speaker 2: seemed to be some sort of like stand in for
Speaker 2: the concept of self. So you're worshiping self, but it's like,
Speaker 2: but if I call self a god and you're like,
Speaker 2: that's so, it's like it's almost like they're cloaking, cloaking
Speaker 2: what's not really woo woo and woo woo language is
Speaker 2: how it appeared to me. But it also could just
Speaker 2: be woo woo and I'm being I'm being a cynic.
Speaker 2: I don't know. So that's that's the why I interpreted it.
Speaker 1: I think that that's a good point to bring up,
Speaker 1: because the process did the same thing. They would be like,
Speaker 1: we don't really worship these deities. We identify these as
Speaker 1: personality types, and we think that everybody inherently has this
Speaker 1: personality type. But then when you read, like especially Timothy Wiley,
Speaker 1: all of his you know, twenty books that are completely
Speaker 1: miserable to read, and you read their inner stuff, they
Speaker 1: do absolutely worship these deities. So I think that they're
Speaker 1: just talking out of two sides of their mouth, and
Speaker 1: I think that that's what most of these cults do.
Speaker 2: Hundred percent. Yeah, and I do think like it is
Speaker 2: like talking about both sides. But it's also like the
Speaker 2: concept of the occult. Sometimes it really is like if
Speaker 2: you know what they're saying, they're kind of saying it all.
Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, maybe even two followers and everything,
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, yeah, set this that. But it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I've been telling you the truth the whole time. You
Speaker 2: just chose to interpret it this way, so, which is
Speaker 2: honestly kind of the ultimate trick. It's like the concept
Speaker 2: we always hear about in conspiracy circles. Though you have
Speaker 2: to consent, like you have to agree to it. So
Speaker 2: it's like if you're some dude wearing gay little robes
Speaker 2: in the desert and like you fell for this trick
Speaker 2: and then come to find out it was all bs,
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, that's what we were telling you the
Speaker 2: entire time. You just chose to believe this meant some
Speaker 2: other crazy shit because that's what you wanted to believe, apparently,
Speaker 2: So I don't know that would honestly kind of be
Speaker 2: the most genius way to look at it, really, all right.
Speaker 2: I wanted to take, for I guess the second half
Speaker 2: of this. I wanted to take a moment and kind
Speaker 2: of with the process back up and I guess kind
Speaker 2: of cover the stuff that, like, I know, people like
Speaker 2: me almost are like, well, it's almost too far gone
Speaker 2: to even ask. I feel too dumb to even ask now,
Speaker 2: But uh, we'll just pretend it's for the audience and
Speaker 2: not me some of this basic stuff that I never
Speaker 2: really covered that maybe they would like to know, kind
Speaker 2: of like when you ask a new guy at worked,
Speaker 2: like I told me how this works, and you try
Speaker 2: to act like you're training him, when really you're like,
Speaker 2: I fucking forgot. So yeah, I just kind of basics
Speaker 2: what I know. There are a few people that always
Speaker 2: get reference when it comes to sources in regards to
Speaker 2: the process, and the process covers so many other things too,
Speaker 2: because I know this goes into like the hand of
Speaker 2: a hand of death Call and other things. So I
Speaker 2: just kind of real quick, I just for the purposes
Speaker 2: of so if anyone fledging people who want to dig
Speaker 2: into the process, like I guess you know, places, start books, sources,
Speaker 2: people who are the trusted things you would know who
Speaker 2: are the people that you should know. I know there's
Speaker 2: some that wrote books that were either in or associated
Speaker 2: with A call. I fucking forget. So I think it's
Speaker 2: good to kind of take a moment to rehash who
Speaker 2: these people are, the different sources. I mean, much like
Speaker 2: with Oklahoma City bombing, you really only have a handful
Speaker 2: of things. You have Wendy Painting, you have can thrying
Speaker 2: to do. I mean, you have Richard Booth, to which
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll admit that you have a I mean,
Speaker 2: there's only a handful of like real, like reasonable, like
Speaker 2: reliable sources of information out there.
Speaker 1: Sure. So I think first and foremost ed Sanders the Family,
Speaker 1: the original publication and then the last publication, which I
Speaker 1: think came out in the nineties, and also he discusses
Speaker 1: it in his book about Sharon Tate called Sharon Tate
Speaker 1: a Life. So in the last publication of the Family
Speaker 1: and in Sharon Tate a life. He references it as
Speaker 1: a British occult organization because of the libel suit that
Speaker 1: was settled out of court here in the States. But
Speaker 1: the original publication, especially considering that he beat Bugliosi to
Speaker 1: getting the book out, is pretty damn accurate for what
Speaker 1: he was given. Mary Terry The Ultimate Evil, I think
Speaker 1: has a lot of excellent information as well. And then
Speaker 1: as far as comparing it to what they say, Timothy
Speaker 1: Wiley is going to be the main author that you
Speaker 1: will find out there that has books out about it.
Speaker 1: There is I think it's called secret and Suppressed by
Speaker 1: Adam Parfrey. He used to run Feral House, which is
Speaker 1: the Process publication house. He has some sort of weird
Speaker 1: verified stuff about the Process in there. But as far
Speaker 1: as I don't know, I have mixed feelings about when
Speaker 1: it mixes in the Process with like the hand of
Speaker 1: Death cult. And I'm still trying to flesh out the
Speaker 1: Process's ties to, you know, the Atlanta child murders. It's
Speaker 1: there's so many little nuances to all of this and
Speaker 1: it's very difficult. I know that Henry Lee Lucas said
Speaker 1: that he visited the Process chapter in New Orleans, and
Speaker 1: I don't think that he wasn't lying. It's just trying
Speaker 1: to map out where the process was in Florida at
Speaker 1: that time, because they were established for yeah, and you
Speaker 1: know they were established. I need to figure out who
Speaker 1: was working at that chapter house when he went to visit,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because that's how I'm kind
Speaker 1: of able to peel all of these things back. And
Speaker 1: then you know, for people who have Netflix, obviously the
Speaker 1: Sons of Sam documentary that was a character assassination Maury
Speaker 1: Terry at the end, there is some good information in
Speaker 1: there about the process. Even though he's interviewing Gary Valentine,
Speaker 1: Gary Lachman, who's the expert on the occult, No, he's not,
Speaker 1: and he's also a process simp. So again I would
Speaker 1: just consider the source because you know, the more that
Speaker 1: you peel back, the more that you're gonna see what
Speaker 1: we've been told is not true. And you know, for
Speaker 1: the Nicholas Shrek aka Barry Dobin fan boys out there,
Speaker 1: the Mansonites, obviously, they don't like to talk about the
Speaker 1: process connection to the Manson case at all.
Speaker 2: All right, let's once again sticking with basics. The evergreen
Speaker 2: question that always comes up with the process is what
Speaker 2: is the process? Now? Obviously I can't just leave you
Speaker 2: with that, because what the hell is there's so many
Speaker 2: different ways to take that. But I guess just kind
Speaker 2: of I mean almost like there's almost i'd ask you
Speaker 2: like four different ways to answer this, but I guess
Speaker 2: kind of to start, I mean, because I know that
Speaker 2: their ideology or claimed ideology has seemingly changed many times
Speaker 2: to the years, but I mean it just kind of
Speaker 2: quick like if you were to try to explain, I
Speaker 2: guess there's a difference between esoteric and it was an
Speaker 2: x tear Africa that there's a two the in and
Speaker 2: the out, and so there's like what they professed to
Speaker 2: the world. But I guess just kind of generally, what
Speaker 2: is their supposed belief system? Even really, I mean that's
Speaker 2: kind of a loaded question, so I guess you can
Speaker 2: kind of kind of where do you even go from there?
Speaker 2: What what is this belief or purported belief system. It
Speaker 2: seems like it's transferred to some sort of self helpe
Speaker 2: thing and then became a religion and then didn't really
Speaker 2: seem to know what it was, and it somehow ended
Speaker 2: up to be a charity where they fucked dogs or something.
Speaker 1: I guess, perfect summation. Okay, So, uh man, this is
Speaker 1: a hard question and I got asked it so many
Speaker 1: times that I should have a good answer right now. Fuck. Okay,
Speaker 1: excuse my language, all right. So the process shortcover story
Speaker 1: scientology spinoff group went to Mexico, Bahamas stool found Satan.
Speaker 1: While they were beating themselves in huts, they were hanging
Speaker 1: out with the Beatles, you know, the Rolling Stones. They
Speaker 1: were super edgy. They ran around in purple and black cloaks,
Speaker 1: and they definitely didn't know Manson and they definitely weren't
Speaker 1: involved with the Son of Sam because they broke up
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy four. So like they were just a
Speaker 1: counterculture sort of movement against not against the Flower Children,
Speaker 1: but certainly like very jarring for the Flower Children time.
Speaker 1: Their real core beliefs, regardless of what they say, really
Speaker 1: hasn't changed. Their two core beliefs is one humanity is
Speaker 1: the devil, and number two, animals are pure and harming
Speaker 1: an animal is the ultimate sin. So being what they
Speaker 1: are now, which is best friends, makes total sense, right
Speaker 1: because it's just the natural conclusion of theology. Their sort
Speaker 1: of transference throughout time, those core beliefs haven't really changed.
Speaker 1: Now it is a Scientology group, but I don't call
Speaker 1: it a spin off or you know, this breakaway group.
Speaker 1: And the reason why is for anybody who is familiar
Speaker 1: with scientology who watched that show on A and E
Speaker 1: Lea Ramini Scientology in the aftermath, I mean, I have
Speaker 1: my issues with her, but in that show they talk
Speaker 1: about people being fair gamed, right, So that's Hubbard's policy
Speaker 1: of destroyed by any means, no matter what, you can
Speaker 1: commit any crime and it will not be a crime
Speaker 1: in the church, and the Church will basically protect you
Speaker 1: for it. When the Grimstons, the founders of the process,
Speaker 1: were declared fair game by Hubbard, that was in December
Speaker 1: of nineteen sixty five. They had been operating on their
Speaker 1: own independently with the E meter or P scope as
Speaker 1: they called it, for two years. By that time, nothing
Speaker 1: ever happened to them. He never came after them. The
Speaker 1: reason why they left London was because the British Medical
Speaker 1: Association was threatening to shut them down because they were
Speaker 1: making people sign waivers that if your mental health was
Speaker 1: negatively affected by what they were doing, you couldn't come
Speaker 1: after them. Obviously Hubbard, because Scientology is very anti psychiatry,
Speaker 1: He's not going to send the Britical Medical Association after them,
Speaker 1: because you know, they're going to see that they're using
Speaker 1: this E meter and they're going to be like, well,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, those people over there in that bigger
Speaker 1: building where Hubbard is are using that right. So that's
Speaker 1: a problem because Ubbard was already getting in trouble by
Speaker 1: that time. So that's why they went to Mexico. They
Speaker 1: were beating themselves in huts. Was Satan finding them? I
Speaker 1: have no idea, probably, but the Church of Scientology says
Speaker 1: that they were doing paramilitary training. I think that there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of both. There's a little bit of
Speaker 1: truth to both narratives. Then they come to the States,
Speaker 1: and they come at the right time. You know, they're
Speaker 1: here right at the time of the counterculture movement, and
Speaker 1: they were involved with Manson. There's substantial evidence that they
Speaker 1: were involved with Manson. And there's also substantial evidence and
Speaker 1: nobody can tell me otherwise that Manson wasn't a scientologist.
Speaker 1: People like to say that he took a couple of
Speaker 1: starter courses and that you know, he stopped after he
Speaker 1: got out of jail, this isn't true. In his parole updates,
Speaker 1: literally including one of the parole updates from Tom O'Neill's
Speaker 1: Chaos that he omitted out of that book. His parole
Speaker 1: officer says, Charlie is still using scientology and for the
Speaker 1: first time in his life, Charlie is making progress because
Speaker 1: he's understanding himself. Why would Tom O'Neill omit that good
Speaker 1: question right? And he says that he omitted the process
Speaker 1: because there wasn't enough evidence to his satisfaction, which now
Speaker 1: I understand why Ed Sanders said that he thinks Tom
Speaker 1: O'Neill is a fed as far as you know manson itself.
Speaker 1: I could sit there and ramble on about that all day.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I didn't mean to cut, but I just thought
Speaker 2: of something I meant to bring up earlier with the
Speaker 2: Q thing, the parallels. Let's be real, like I think,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm obviously I would assume that you're
Speaker 2: like ultimate thought here is perhaps there's some sort of
Speaker 2: enterprise type thing, some sort of conglomeration group behind this.
Speaker 2: You know, obviously Navy intel is heavily implicated. But I
Speaker 2: assume you'd say there's like other components because Navy intel
Speaker 2: comes into play with like Hubbard and such. But we
Speaker 2: still have that in play. You just literally, because I
Speaker 2: was talking about earlier, I meant to bring up like
Speaker 2: today in you know, in regards to Q and such,
Speaker 2: I completely forget if you're playing the you know, trust
Speaker 2: the Plan, Trump's the good guy narrative, especially if you
Speaker 2: look at the things going. I mean, this isn't you know,
Speaker 2: perfectly c but it ties in sort of to the
Speaker 2: trust of the Plan concept, where that everything's been like, oh,
Speaker 2: trust Trump, He's gonna, you know, we're gonna have peace whatever.
Speaker 2: Trust Trump. Who are the people pushing that. You have
Speaker 2: Tucker whose dad was you know, the fucking voice of
Speaker 2: America guy uh, you know, and us be real. Tucker's
Speaker 2: early days glow pretty bright, So I don't know who knows.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's a good guy. I'll be honest. I agree
Speaker 2: with most of his positions these days. That's where I stand.
Speaker 2: So but I'm not retarded, and I I know about
Speaker 2: his past, so it's like I'm expecting a swerve at
Speaker 2: some point, so I don't know when. But But then
Speaker 2: you have Jack Pasobic, whose Navy was a believe I
Speaker 2: believe was navy intel or who was air force or something?
Speaker 2: Either way, he was a military intel. I used to
Speaker 2: kind of downplay that and didn't think it was that
Speaker 2: big of a deal until I found out. I think
Speaker 2: he was like Guantanobo, so that I was like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: all right, never mind. But then I might be wrong there,
Speaker 2: and then you have Bannon, which I believe Bannon has something.
Speaker 2: I might be wrong, but I believe there's some sort of.
Speaker 1: I think yes, So it's like, yeah.
Speaker 2: Right here, who's who's the cope for Trump? Super fucking
Speaker 2: hard And and to be fair, it's like, if this
Speaker 2: is the CIA plan, it is kind of like that
Speaker 2: is them trying to coax them into like, hey, like
Speaker 2: do the right thing sort of especially in light of
Speaker 2: the things going on recently. But it's also like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, that's also the like keep people buying into
Speaker 2: the bullshit type, you know, that's controlling both sides if
Speaker 2: we're going to jump too assumptions here. So I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess there's no question there, but
Speaker 2: I was like, shit, I forgot about that. It's a
Speaker 2: really good fucking parallel there, and I guess it kind
Speaker 2: of drives with the Navy intel connections, so I guess
Speaker 2: you could jump off that if you want to.
Speaker 1: Well, there's also more than that too, and I'm kind
Speaker 1: of glad you brought that up, because you know, so
Speaker 1: Timothy Wiley finally, after I've read ten of his fucking
Speaker 1: books where he's talking in third person to some alien
Speaker 1: following him around, he finally admits, well, the alien admits that,
Speaker 1: you know, Marianne was recruited when she was I think
Speaker 1: sixteen years old to she was already working the streets,
Speaker 1: but they brought her on to British intelligence and she
Speaker 1: had a handler and that she was working as basically
Speaker 1: a honey pock sort of call girl. And he says
Speaker 1: she was working during the time of Perfumo. So I
Speaker 1: do think that she was involved in Perfumo, but I
Speaker 1: don't think that she was involved in the Perfumo child
Speaker 1: that was presented to the public. I think that she
Speaker 1: was involved in like the Sataness bdsm kink stuff with
Speaker 1: hod Dibbons and mary Ella Novotney. I think that that's
Speaker 1: what was going on, because Novotney came over to the
Speaker 1: States before JFK was assassinated. Marianne's cover story was that
Speaker 1: she was spending time with Sugar Ray Robinson, who she
Speaker 1: never was engaged to, But for some reason people still
Speaker 1: push that line. That was a lie that was pushed
Speaker 1: by Scientology. They're the first people to put that out.
Speaker 1: So I think it's weird that the church is creating
Speaker 1: a cover story for her when she's over here at
Speaker 1: the exact same time as mary Ella Novotny. And well,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of information out there supporting
Speaker 1: that JFK was banging Thevotny, So who really knows? Was
Speaker 1: Mary Anne also banging him? Possibly? Then you also have
Speaker 1: her husband in the church, Robert de Grimston. His family
Speaker 1: has serious intelligence ties as well as nobility ties. You know,
Speaker 1: dig Grimston. He's the only person in his entire family
Speaker 1: that changed his name to dig Grimston. It's on his
Speaker 1: birth certificate, but his last name is more. Dad didn't
Speaker 1: take it. Grandpa didn't take it. Mom didn't take it.
Speaker 1: His sister was the god daughter of Lady Armatrude Walker
Speaker 1: to Grimston. So Robert was like knighted into this family.
Speaker 1: And I have no idea why. There's no answers for that.
Speaker 1: He was working for the Royal Air Force. He also
Speaker 1: worked under the King's Royal Hussars. That's you know, pretty
Speaker 1: well known to be an intelligence outfit at this point.
Speaker 1: And then Timmy.
Speaker 2: British Military Intelligence.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And Timothy Wiley's mom worked for.
Speaker 2: Six British Military Intelligence in what the mid to early
Speaker 2: you know, like the around Middish nineties, as I'd say,
Speaker 2: probably so yeah, I don't know, if you think about
Speaker 2: the the areas of British influence in that period of
Speaker 2: time pretty high. So yeah, that glows, that glows pretty
Speaker 2: pretty brightly.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm not going full the Rooshe plot to like,
Speaker 1: you know, destroy the Wes, but I'm just saying, like
Speaker 1: there is some smoke there, uh for sure, because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of strangeness going on, and it's and as
Speaker 1: I'm like working through other family members and other members
Speaker 1: in the process, it's like, yeah, a lot of these
Speaker 1: Like there's an astor, you know, Timothy Wiley, you know,
Speaker 1: so his mom worked for m I five. She was
Speaker 1: dating John Michelle, that UFO guy, the really famous UFO guy,
Speaker 1: so like that was her boyfriend. And he ends up
Speaker 1: marrying the only astor that joins the cult, which is
Speaker 1: also very strange. She allegedly murdered her mother when she
Speaker 1: was fifteen, killed her with a drug overdose. Very strange.
Speaker 1: And some of these people, uh, Timothy Wiley's cousin in law. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so cousin in law because it's his cousin's wife. She's
Speaker 1: the CEO of best Friends today. His cousin just died
Speaker 1: about a month ago. Her husband just passed away, like
Speaker 1: a month ago day.
Speaker 2: I just sty had a fuck. I had a questions.
Speaker 2: Oh I remember what it was? Okay, I had I
Speaker 2: was literally about to ask get them blinked. Now, I
Speaker 2: remember the question is I kind of we talked a
Speaker 2: little bit of RFK earlier and I was kind of
Speaker 2: alluding to the RFK senior connection ironically went on a
Speaker 2: junior connection. I was like, oh shit, Okay, not surprised,
Speaker 2: but you know, good information to have. It was not
Speaker 2: the one I had before, but on that RFK connection,
Speaker 2: I was thinking. I just recently based mega based retard
Speaker 2: Queen Marjorie Taylor Green recently came out and saying that
Speaker 2: she now believes that JFK was killed the dew to
Speaker 2: the Jews Israel, not the Jews. I'm being a little
Speaker 2: bit in a tongue in cheek. I'm not saying he's
Speaker 2: literally getting mad at Jews. She's saying Israel. She's saying
Speaker 2: Israel did it for the whole Demona scandal, the Demona nuclears,
Speaker 2: essentially that you know, JFK wanted to look into the
Speaker 2: nuclear program and shut it down. Now, I don't know
Speaker 2: if that's true or not. I've not really dug into
Speaker 2: that too much. Wouldn't be surprised. I don't don't really
Speaker 2: trust that country all that much, But I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's I also am aware of things like north Woods
Speaker 2: and him firing limits a number of other things. So
Speaker 2: there's all sorts of plenty of reasons people could point
Speaker 2: to of why JFKK would be dead. It doesn't necessarily
Speaker 2: have to be that. But kind of what I'm driving
Speaker 2: at here is you said, with there's smoke, there's fire.
Speaker 2: When it comes to the process, is there any what
Speaker 2: is there in the realm of smoke and then particularly
Speaker 2: you know, I guess maybe even fire in that angle. Obviously,
Speaker 2: I do not to expecting you to go they killed
Speaker 2: JFK or even had anything to do with it, But
Speaker 2: do you think there's anything there? I mean they are
Speaker 2: so balls deep in different angles. They're literally you know,
Speaker 2: you're mentioning the girls. Supposedly JFK is banging. I know
Speaker 2: there's there's all sorts of other connections with RFK and such,
Speaker 2: So I mean, hell, if there's nothing on the JFK side,
Speaker 2: I guess it would be a good jumping off point
Speaker 2: to even just let the audience know what we're even
Speaker 2: getting at with the RFK stuff, because I know the
Speaker 2: RFK senior stuff with the process is pretty fucking nuts
Speaker 2: all and on of its own.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, especially.
Speaker 2: Since it ties into the Jewish stuff too, sort of
Speaker 2: not trying to make everything a JQ thing. But if
Speaker 2: you are going to the RFK angle, what they go
Speaker 2: with that was it was oh a Palestinian did it,
Speaker 2: and it was you know, and he was mad about
Speaker 2: Israel stuff.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I think that with JFK, it's that
Speaker 1: timeline is really obscure, right, because that's Mary Anne. That's
Speaker 1: very early. We don't really know, and honestly, I don't
Speaker 1: know that we're ever going to know, but you know,
Speaker 1: when they get incorporated here, they get incorporated by Tommy
Speaker 1: Jude Bamler, wandering Bishop heavily involved in Jim Garrison's investigation
Speaker 1: into JFK's death. I have pretty strong feelings about like
Speaker 1: the whole sort of blue blood cowboy Bishop angle to
Speaker 1: the JFK assassination. I think that LBJ had a heavy
Speaker 1: hand in it, and you know, like Bush, what was
Speaker 1: Bush doing there that day? He can't answer anybody about
Speaker 1: where he was at. I think that there was a
Speaker 1: big Bishop cowboy thing going on in particular, but in
Speaker 1: regards to RFK specifically, So, Sharon Tate was a huge
Speaker 1: fan of RFK, as was Abigail. Fully, I know that
Speaker 1: Abigail Folger joined his political team to help, you know,
Speaker 1: sort of promote his campaign, and I know that Sharon
Speaker 1: and Roman were also donating to his campaign. Obviously pretty
Speaker 1: common lawyer out there is that Sharon and Roman dined,
Speaker 1: you know, with him the night before the assassination. As
Speaker 1: far as the process angle goes, and all we have
Speaker 1: to go on is what I INS and the FBI
Speaker 1: told Ed Sanders, and I don't really know what else
Speaker 1: people want at this point, right So in the investigation,
Speaker 1: what they told Ed's private investigator Larry Larson that there
Speaker 1: was a hit that was ordered on Sharon Tate because
Speaker 1: Sharon Tate heard something either in reference to or about
Speaker 1: Sir Han Sirhin the process paid the Manson family to
Speaker 1: do the hit. What did she overhear? When this question
Speaker 1: was asked, they said, we cannot tell you. That is
Speaker 1: a matter of national security. What kind of fucking answer
Speaker 1: that is on that topic is completely insane. I have
Speaker 1: no idea. But something interesting for people to consider is
Speaker 1: why don't we know more about Sir Hans's social and
Speaker 1: religious life in the couple of years leading up to
Speaker 1: the crimes because we know that he was requesting like
Speaker 1: Theosophy books in jail. You know he he was into
Speaker 1: the occult, right, so that's not really a secret.
Speaker 2: Uh, why don't Rosicrucianism I've heard around. I've never looked
Speaker 2: into the truth of it, but that's what I've heard.
Speaker 1: Yes, he was also into Rosicrucianism, absolutely, but I know
Speaker 1: for sure he was like requesting Theosophy books. And so
Speaker 1: it's like, why you know that there was an investigation
Speaker 1: that was done, So why hasn't that information been made public?
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that you know he's in jail
Speaker 1: or that RFK was assassinated because of the process. I
Speaker 1: think that there are multiple reasons why Sir Hannah is
Speaker 1: still in jail. I do think that he's a past
Speaker 1: but I do think that the process angle is one
Speaker 1: that people need to seriously consider, because this is coming
Speaker 1: from government officials saying that it was a matter of
Speaker 1: national security. Now, there were people that said that Sir
Speaker 1: Hand was in attendance at some of these nasty parties
Speaker 1: in Laurel Canyon that were being held by producers like
Speaker 1: Bob Evans and at the homes of people like John Phillips,
Speaker 1: j Seabring and the Polanski's where they're doing drugs, they're
Speaker 1: doing you know, these orgies with you know, sex magic rituals.
Speaker 1: I mean some of the stuff that they were doing,
Speaker 1: like imitation hangings, things like that.
Speaker 2: Think about what they publicly tell you happened at Diddy's parties,
Speaker 2: like they've come out and so think about what they're
Speaker 2: doing at process parties. Back then that was kind of.
Speaker 1: No, you're right, No, I mean, you're absolutely right. And
Speaker 1: you know the other implication there, especially if we're you know,
Speaker 1: just assuming that Sir Hand was there. Right, Let's just say,
Speaker 1: and they're doing these sex orgies and they're all high
Speaker 1: out of their minds. We know that they were filming
Speaker 1: these things. So how damning is that going to be
Speaker 1: If Sir Hannah's even caught in the back frame of
Speaker 1: a tape. You know what I'm saying, That's really damning.
Speaker 1: And then Charles Manson, as crazy as he is or was,
Speaker 1: you know, he broken clock is right twice a day, right,
Speaker 1: and you know he said flat out you know he
Speaker 1: knew that to Grimstons. Multiple people have reported this. Crenwinkle
Speaker 1: testified in court not that long ago about this, like
Speaker 1: the Process and Manson were hanging out. It is what
Speaker 1: it is. I know people don't want to hear it,
Speaker 1: but Charlie told ed that, you know, he had met
Speaker 1: the Grimstons at one of Polanski's parties and that at
Speaker 1: least at a bare minimum, that Robert was in these pornos,
Speaker 1: and that that was what had started the problems in
Speaker 1: that scene was something that Robert did in one of
Speaker 1: these movies, allegedly with Audrey Hefburn. Don't really know how
Speaker 1: they got there, very weird, but she ended up spending
Speaker 1: time with the Process in the seventies. She was their
Speaker 1: neighbor in New York. They liked hanging out her and
Speaker 1: Timothy Wiley. So that's really weird. So you have multiple angles, right, Like,
Speaker 1: if the process ordered a hit, is that really why
Speaker 1: they did it? Because Robert and mary Anne we're on
Speaker 1: those tapes, and Marianne's cover couldn't get blown. Because something
Speaker 1: that most people know about the Process, even if they
Speaker 1: just know like the cover story, is that there's no
Speaker 1: photos of mary Anne, right, Like we have one or
Speaker 1: two photos. We don't have photos of her because it
Speaker 1: was going to blow her cover. That's why there's no
Speaker 1: photos out there of her. You know. I think we
Speaker 1: have maybe three if we're lucky, Like there's none that exists.
Speaker 1: And one of them is an old passport photo from
Speaker 1: Maury Terry's files. I don't even know where the hell
Speaker 1: he got that from. So it's like there's multiple angles
Speaker 1: there that would accomplish it. And it's fascinating because in
Speaker 1: that JFK fil release that came out, there was one
Speaker 1: obscure file in there. So in Ed Sanders's original publication
Speaker 1: of the family and I don't remember how much he
Speaker 1: followed up on it in the last edition talking about
Speaker 1: Sir Han. There was reportedly a process member who was
Speaker 1: working in the hotel that night. Who was a cook
Speaker 1: in the kitchen?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: We don't have any Well, we have a name, but
Speaker 1: it's such a vague name that I can't find the guy.
Speaker 1: But in that JFK. Fowl release, there's just a random
Speaker 1: file tucked in there that when Sirhan was arrested, he
Speaker 1: had the keys to somebody's vehicle in his pocket. It
Speaker 1: was somebody who was cooking in the kitchen. They would
Speaker 1: not release the person's name, but Secret Security already had
Speaker 1: a file on this cook that was in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: Who the fuck was this cook? I would like to
Speaker 1: know was this process member that ED was referring to.
Speaker 1: Did ED get good information that far back? You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like, there are so many reasons
Speaker 1: why they would want to take him out. I mean,
Speaker 1: look at what RFK was doing. I think that RFK
Speaker 1: was involved in the death of Marilyn Monroe. I think
Speaker 1: that there's plenty of, you know, circumstantial evidence and witness
Speaker 1: testimony that he was absolutely involved. I think that he
Speaker 1: was doing a lot of shady shit too. And you
Speaker 1: know it's I also the whole you know, Israel Palestine thing.
Speaker 1: It's like are you know RFK was supporting Israel. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's like they people can be hypnotized,
Speaker 1: and especially with drugs, they can be hypnotized and conditioned
Speaker 1: to lie. That's I've read so many reports of conversations
Speaker 1: with these old spooky hypnotists that were doing this stuff
Speaker 1: with these people at that time, even specifically talking about
Speaker 1: Sirhan Sirhan, and they're like, doctors will tell you that
Speaker 1: you can't do this to someone, but you absolutely can,
Speaker 1: especially if you're using these hypnotic drugs. You can condition
Speaker 1: somebody to lie and they will have no memory of
Speaker 1: the event because subconsciously, even that sort of like default
Speaker 1: protective mechanism, their default is going to assume that they're
Speaker 1: doing this for the good of their country, or they're
Speaker 1: doing it because it's the right thing, you know, the
Speaker 1: sort of like sense of you know, patriotism. And so
Speaker 1: I think that it is very plausible that Sir Hannes
Speaker 1: and just thinks that maybe that's why he did it,
Speaker 1: you know, But he still claims that he doesn't remember
Speaker 1: what happened that night, and I believe him. He doesn't remember.
Speaker 1: If somebody's gonna sit there and beat it into his
Speaker 1: head that he did it because he's angry about you know,
Speaker 1: RFK wanting to send what was it, you know, uh
Speaker 1: freakin' I can't remember what type of bombs it was,
Speaker 1: you know, over you know, to kill his people. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: that would be a logical sort of conclusion that you
Speaker 1: might draw after being locked up in jail for decades,
Speaker 1: wondering how this could happen to you, right, And it's
Speaker 1: not that I would necessarily disagree, however, I just I
Speaker 1: think that Sir hann is a total patsy, and I
Speaker 1: think that a lot of the stuff with the process
Speaker 1: were not going to get until he's until he's dead,
Speaker 1: because they're not going to let him out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, patsy doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't involved
Speaker 2: in some weird fucked shit possibly, but then he got
Speaker 2: fucked over is what it looks like. But uh, I
Speaker 2: guess I think this is kind of the perfect jumping
Speaker 2: off point for my last question. Uh. And you can
Speaker 2: kind of take as long or as short as you
Speaker 2: wanted this because this question is kind of I guess essentially,
Speaker 2: while you did call your your your podcast, what is
Speaker 2: the process? We just asked the question, you gave it
Speaker 2: the like kind of the what what? What is being
Speaker 2: shown to people with what you know from them? Now
Speaker 2: I'm kind of wanting to know, what do you think
Speaker 2: the process is? Like I said, as long or as
Speaker 2: short as you want to with this, or as obscure
Speaker 2: or even give a fuck off answer and check out
Speaker 2: my podcast. I don't care if you don't. So what
Speaker 2: do you consider that? Like when if I was trying
Speaker 2: to quickly explain it in conspiratorial terms to another para
Speaker 2: politics had without without freaking them the fuck out and
Speaker 2: trying to get them to awkwardly back away from me.
Speaker 1: Let's see, while I will plug the podcast for sure,
Speaker 1: go check it out? What is the process? Wherever you listen?
Speaker 1: But I would say it is scientology, it is Best
Speaker 1: Friends Animal Society, and it is the Satanic Temple. I
Speaker 1: think that the fact that the process has, via the
Speaker 1: Satanic Temple, gotten religious exemption status is completely insane, and
Speaker 1: I don't understand why the Temple does not get more
Speaker 1: scrutiny for this. You know, I kind of like based
Speaker 1: Putin when they like were trying to ban the Satanic
Speaker 1: Temple over there, I was like, that's kind of based.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm into that because I know what Doug
Speaker 1: Dougie Lucien says himself that it is all based off
Speaker 1: of process theology. You know their Baphomet statue, Yes, the
Speaker 1: Elephas Levi sort of imagery. However, he says specifically it
Speaker 1: is based off of process theology, the you know, the
Speaker 1: reconciliation of opposites. That's why there's the little boy and
Speaker 1: the little girl. That's what they're talking about. You know,
Speaker 1: there's someone right now who works for the National Science Foundation.
Speaker 1: He's a big wig in government. His name is William
Speaker 1: Sims Bainbridge. He wants all of us to live in
Speaker 1: a world of warcraft simulation. He's been doing next ormancy
Speaker 1: with his dead relatives in some of your favorite video
Speaker 1: games for the past couple of decades. He's a processing
Speaker 1: and you know, they're very active, but they're active online,
Speaker 1: they're also active in real life. And you know, where
Speaker 1: are you going to see him? You're going to see
Speaker 1: him in music. I mean, unfortunately, you know a lot
Speaker 1: of people know Psychic TV, the Temple of Psychic Youth.
Speaker 1: That's obviously process. You've got nine inch nails, that's process.
Speaker 1: You've got Skinny Puppy. That's process. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: other bands that are very processing and in that way.
Speaker 1: And as I'm working my way backwards now, I'm going
Speaker 1: to uh probably lose a lot of fans and piss
Speaker 1: off a lot of people because I'm going to be
Speaker 1: getting into the stuff with like William Burrows, Hugh Hefner,
Speaker 1: and god, what is his name? I've been reading about
Speaker 1: him all day. Shit, Andy Warhol. There's just there's a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff there. Oh, there's it's it's horrific. I'm
Speaker 1: ready to gouch my eyes out from reading. But I
Speaker 1: would also tell people there's a lot of well meaning
Speaker 1: individuals out here who are just repeating things that have
Speaker 1: either been disproven or have not been proven, and these
Speaker 1: are just rumors. I would ask to see sources. I
Speaker 1: would ask to see citations on things, because even some
Speaker 1: of the most basic tropes Timothy Wiley, guess what, that's
Speaker 1: not his real name. That's not his real name. Okay,
Speaker 1: we play the name game with these people. A lot
Speaker 1: of the information out there is not good or it
Speaker 1: is not verified yet, and it is speculation. And I
Speaker 1: do my best to not repeat those things as fact
Speaker 1: because I just don't think it's helpful because these people
Speaker 1: have flown under the radar since you know, nineteen sixty three,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four, and they will continue to quite frankly,
Speaker 1: until all of this stuff is ironed out. But I
Speaker 1: would say the biggest thing is, you know, look for
Speaker 1: it in music. It's a big problem as far as
Speaker 1: I understand, in the horror core reps right now. I've
Speaker 1: had a few of those hip hop artists reach out
Speaker 1: to me apparently it's very problematic. And then you know,
Speaker 1: obviously the stuff with the Satanic Temple like fuck Lucy
Speaker 1: and Greeves, Doug Dougie, you know, he says there and
Speaker 1: goes on Tucker Carlson and acts like an edge lord,
Speaker 1: you know, and thinks that he's all tough, but he
Speaker 1: can't handle a debate. I've tried to debate him and
Speaker 1: he falls apart like a little girl. And that's because
Speaker 1: when he's challenged on them being the process, he freaks
Speaker 1: out because they don't want people to know.
Speaker 2: I said that was gonna be the last question. I lied.
Speaker 2: I just recalled as you were talking, and you know what,
Speaker 2: what does I think even a better place to end
Speaker 2: it at? You we had kind of talked about current events,
Speaker 2: you know, and tying into major world events. But I
Speaker 2: know recently, I believe you'd made a post on it
Speaker 2: and i'd seen he gets out, William Ramsey posts it
Speaker 2: too or something. So I'll probably need you to explain
Speaker 2: a little bit more to me. But I remember seeing
Speaker 2: a post going around of some recent I believe, some
Speaker 2: sort of shooter of some sorts mom wearing a processed shirt.
Speaker 2: So I was like a process church shirt, like the
Speaker 2: very distinct like borderline swasika looking thing. I'm a jig,
Speaker 2: so you know, avoiding it was the Process symbol like
Speaker 2: loud and proud RAI raid on her boobies. So uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know just what the fuck's up with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm actually glad that you brought that up. So
Speaker 1: somebody actually anonymously sent that to me and they were like, hey,
Speaker 1: nobody's talking about the Process thing. And when I started
Speaker 1: looking through her Instagram, I was like, holy fuck. And
Speaker 1: this is another good example. So this the Process has
Speaker 1: stated from the outset, and this is something that Nicola
Speaker 1: Shrek also states that you know, they use music as
Speaker 1: a weapon. This is how they indoctrinate people. And this
Speaker 1: has to do with like certain you know, tones of
Speaker 1: the sound. I don't know. I'm not a fucking sound engineer,
Speaker 1: don't ask me.
Speaker 2: But it's all about frequencies and shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that kind of stuff exactly like putting you into
Speaker 1: a more malleable state, so to speak. So she heavily
Speaker 1: promotes a band called Integrity. If you ask Integrity fans,
Speaker 1: they're just lurping. They're not into it, even though this
Speaker 1: band has stated flat out that all of their music
Speaker 1: is based off of process theology and that that's what
Speaker 1: they are singing and preaching about. So her name was
Speaker 1: Ashley Pardo. She's I think thirty two or thirty three.
Speaker 1: This was in Texas and she was arrested because she
Speaker 1: literally went out and bought Ammo protective gear and weapons
Speaker 1: because her son wanted to shoot up his middle school
Speaker 1: and she fully supported it. CPS was involved, obviously, the
Speaker 1: school was involved. They were very worried, and you know,
Speaker 1: the police had been called a few times as well,
Speaker 1: and she did not take action. She saw no problem
Speaker 1: with it. It was a reward buying him that stuff
Speaker 1: for babysitting his younger siblings, which is really crazy to me.
Speaker 1: But you know, it also tracks because I mean this
Speaker 1: is part of process belief, not only chaos, but also
Speaker 1: you know, harming others. That's that's not a sin. Hurting
Speaker 1: other people is not a sin. That is something that
Speaker 1: they believe. It is the reconciliation of opposites, right, so
Speaker 1: good and bad. I just that was really insane to me.
Speaker 1: They actually, I think this week, have to press charges
Speaker 1: against that kid or they have to let them go.
Speaker 1: They still have not formally charged the kid, and she
Speaker 1: is out on bond. Her bond was seventy five thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: not seven hundred and fifty thousand. I thought that the
Speaker 1: seventy five thousand was the ten percent that she had
Speaker 1: to put down. It was seventy five thousand dollars. They
Speaker 1: let her out, and also they changed the terms of
Speaker 1: her bond so that she could go to work.
Speaker 2: It's like, what ten percent of your bond you had
Speaker 2: to pay for? So she didn't pay like seven point
Speaker 2: five k.
Speaker 1: I thank you, yeah, which I mean is still a
Speaker 1: lot of money. Like I'm not batting, I'm batting an
Speaker 1: eye at that. That would have change my life.
Speaker 2: But but I could do it.
Speaker 1: What for what she did? Yeah, helping to facilitate a
Speaker 1: school shooting is fucking insane. And when they went into
Speaker 1: the house, you know because I read the warrant and
Speaker 1: the police report and it didn't detail everything, but he
Speaker 1: had all these like modified homemade bombs. They said that
Speaker 1: it was going to be The cops were like, this
Speaker 1: was going to be a mass casualty event. The way
Speaker 1: that these bombs were modified. I'm like, holy shit. And
Speaker 1: they found a lot of like Nazi regalia, Nazi literature.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering what process stuff they probably found in that
Speaker 1: house as well, you know, because she was sporting her
Speaker 1: Charles Manson tattoo that she had just gotten. So you know,
Speaker 1: all of this tracks. But these people are going to
Speaker 1: sit here and tell you that they're just being at
Speaker 1: edge lords, and I would say, why why does this
Speaker 1: continue to happen all throughout the decades unless these people
Speaker 1: really believe it.
Speaker 2: Well, then it's been absolute pleasure for having you on
Speaker 2: the show. Let people know where they can find you
Speaker 2: at and we'll go ahead and get the hell on
Speaker 2: out of.
Speaker 1: Here, all right. Thank you. Rotting Jewels on YouTube and Instagram,
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Speaker 1: does the Process podcast wherever you listen.
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