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<v Speaker 1>All right, So here's pre show set up, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get this rolling with my bad voice and B Pete

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<v Speaker 1>you got connection or no?

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<v Speaker 2>All right?

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<v Speaker 1>B Pete was there, Let's see if he's still on Myay,

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<v Speaker 1>he's still there, present on my connection, and now he

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<v Speaker 1>went away. So I am setting up the live call

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<v Speaker 1>in show. We have numbers ready to roll, just so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in case you're catching us on the live stream,

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<v Speaker 1>and even if you're not quite honestly, I've got to

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just preserve this. Take a little sip water too.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just preserve this as part of the recording because

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<v Speaker 1>now I'm just running out the recording and B Pete's

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<v Speaker 1>still broken up on his connection for some reason. Up

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<v Speaker 1>there we go. I just heard a sentence half a sentence,

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<v Speaker 1>can you hear me? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I had to leave and come back in. I

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<v Speaker 2>was just getting little blips and verbs. I couldn't understand

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's how you were coming through also, So okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now we have that straight. Hopefully you good to go?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm good, all right?

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<v Speaker 1>You here how thrashed my voices though, so I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if he caught any of the stuff I did.

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<v Speaker 1>Earlier in the week, I did guest appearances and tried

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<v Speaker 1>to not even do my own show, which I didn't,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, just hung back and tried to do

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<v Speaker 1>the promotional stuff I committed to. And funny thing is

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<v Speaker 1>last week I did a whole like three hours with

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<v Speaker 1>the guy Gardner. You know, you see him online. He's

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<v Speaker 1>got a podcast and a co host. Yeah, so I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if he released it yet. Did you see

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<v Speaker 1>if he released the podcast with me yet? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>He released something because I liked his post. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>go back and look.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because the funny twitter funny thing is I did

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<v Speaker 1>three hours with the guy right, and he's got one

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<v Speaker 1>of these you know, like fancy video recorder platform deals,

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<v Speaker 1>and like we ended up with with nothing, no usable audio, nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I did three hours where we're going back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth over the films, everything for three hours.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember he said something last week about him

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<v Speaker 2>losing his copy of it, and he said that you

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<v Speaker 2>were going to try to back it up next time.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I did. I made a backup copy. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm giving him a chance to release, you know, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>his podcast first and then uh maybe I'll put out

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<v Speaker 1>the backup for you know, for listeners, so they get

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<v Speaker 1>a good audio from my side, one, you know, one

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<v Speaker 1>solid audio piece. Because I don't know what he's doing

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<v Speaker 1>editing wise either, but he said he was gonna edit

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever, and I don't know how it came out,

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<v Speaker 1>even I imagine he uh, let me go see that

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<v Speaker 1>he did. He put it out. He said he was gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, he did. I'm going to I got to

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<v Speaker 2>go to my uh likes. It was earlier this afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember when it came up. I was gonna, I'll just

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<v Speaker 2>repost it so you'd see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. I'll just pull up I'll just pull up Twitter.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see. Horn deserves better than this. JFK. Choke holds. Well, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>he's talking about choke holds and stuff. New episode here.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a new episode of Ciphered Past titled Through

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<v Speaker 1>the Looking Glass with guests Chuck O'Kelly. Will be released tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't yet, so he said it will be released.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, because I reposted it. And I think when

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<v Speaker 2>I reposted it, I put it on. When the links

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<v Speaker 2>up all did I quoted or reposted? I think I

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<v Speaker 2>just reposted it. Well either way, I just reposted it.

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<v Speaker 1>We're trying to share. This guy he's got it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>called the uh it's the Ciphered Past, right, that's the

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<v Speaker 1>name of his his podcasting. He does it with with

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<v Speaker 1>the co host, whose name on Twitter is like a lioness,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And I spent like five hours of these

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<v Speaker 1>people all together. So I don't know what they what

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<v Speaker 1>they got, but the first three hours was lost and

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<v Speaker 1>I had a bad throat so bad that like I

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<v Speaker 1>had no voice at the beginning of the week at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And so now anyway, we're doing all this and we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get live, Okay, so let's do that because it's

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<v Speaker 1>what already quarter after eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, about twelve afters all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, so let's do that. Yeah, screw it, we'll just

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<v Speaker 1>get live. You know. But technology is fun because it's

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<v Speaker 1>allowed us to do a lot of cool things, but

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<v Speaker 1>it also when it gets messy, it's a freaking mess,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And but hopefully those guys, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I started talking to them. They're they're kind of new

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<v Speaker 1>to me, but they seem really enthusiastic about the case

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<v Speaker 1>and they're going to be at at Lancer. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>let's uh, let me just put you down here. I

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<v Speaker 1>got the phone lines ready, I got the broadcast ready.

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<v Speaker 1>So you got a coffee, dude? Yeah, I'm good, excellent,

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<v Speaker 1>So I have a nice sip of cold drink. At

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<v Speaker 1>least I got that working for me today. Let me see,

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<v Speaker 1>just make sure I got yeah, okay, hey, I got

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of cigarettes. I got a cool drink, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know what sounds like? I got my provisions, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Ready, get ready for again?

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<v Speaker 1>Ready, get ready for seventeenth day of October. Damn, the

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<v Speaker 1>month is half over, twenty twenty five, allegedly according to

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<v Speaker 1>that thing we call a calendar. And despite the weird

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<v Speaker 1>and wonky sound of my voice, this is the Ocelli Effect,

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<v Speaker 1>hosted by me Chuck Ocelly. But also since it is

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<v Speaker 1>Friarsday or Friday night, I've got my co host, be

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<v Speaker 1>Pete with me, and you can be too if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to join in on this party over yeah, which

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<v Speaker 1>is all audio and freely available. So three one nine

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<v Speaker 1>five two seven five zero one six that's the number

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<v Speaker 1>to call. I'm struggling to look over my stuff. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me move a few things around because I had to

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<v Speaker 1>reboot the computer on my way to uh broadcasting tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>I rebooted everything, the computer, the router, so we should

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<v Speaker 1>be all good to fly, and I know the phones

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<v Speaker 1>are working. Three one nine five two seven. Holy crap,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's got allowed vehicle outside. Three one nine five two

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<v Speaker 1>seven five zero one six. That's the number to call

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<v Speaker 1>while I've got a voice for this. Three one nine

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<v Speaker 1>five two seven five zero one six. That's how you

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<v Speaker 1>can join into this. The live open mic night Fridays

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<v Speaker 1>on Ohelly dot com Radio and uh so here we

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<v Speaker 1>are Friday BPTE. We survived another one. How was your week, sir?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it wasn't bad. Actually, the last two days are

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<v Speaker 2>the first days that it's been sunny to the point

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<v Speaker 2>that you could get outside in the past two weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>so I was ready. A friend of mine's got one

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<v Speaker 2>of those.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it a UV lamp that's supposed to help you

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<v Speaker 2>in the wintertime when it's so dark and gloomy. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what kind of light it puts off. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>I called him up, told him I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>come get that thing, and shoved up my butt for

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<v Speaker 2>about a day. I mean, I've had such a lack

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<v Speaker 2>of sunshine here. It's been unbearable and cool. It is

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<v Speaker 2>very I had to cut the heat on this morning

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<v Speaker 2>and down to like forty degrees.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. I'm sorry, but you know, I have a very

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<v Speaker 1>like I hear audio and I visualize, and I work

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<v Speaker 1>with audio in my mind quite extensively. And you just

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<v Speaker 1>talked about shoving a lamp up your butt. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's what you just did, and that just gave

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<v Speaker 1>me a horrible, horrible visual and I want to thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for that because that was terrible, you know, And

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of light therapies. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>light therapies out there. I don't think anal insertion is

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<v Speaker 1>necessary though, in the medical practice or pseudo medical practice.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's been bad. It's been bad. I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>was literally getting ready to go nuts, you know, twelve

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<v Speaker 2>straight days of cloud and I'm not just thin clouds.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm over cast, heavy deck rain off and on. So

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<v Speaker 2>I have been enjoying it the past two days. But

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<v Speaker 2>other than that, I've hit one of those late in

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<v Speaker 2>life crisises and I'm debating what to do. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm at that point where do I go waste fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>bucks on a haircut or do I just let it

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<v Speaker 2>grow back out?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, I'm doing that too, because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I told you this, but I actually chopped

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<v Speaker 1>off the ponytail. Did I let you know that already? Nah?

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<v Speaker 1>I took care. I got the ponytail off because it

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<v Speaker 1>was driving me nuts and I'm sitting here trying to

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<v Speaker 1>contemplate how to attack like, you know, the whole light

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<v Speaker 1>therapy issue with you and photo therapy they call it,

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<v Speaker 1>I think now. It used to be the province of

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<v Speaker 1>let's just say, the woo woo, airy fairy type people

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<v Speaker 1>out there. You know, it was like, oh, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to get the proper light man, because you get your

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<v Speaker 1>vibrations going. You knew, very like hippie dippy kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And nowadays even the Mayo Clinic has looked at it

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<v Speaker 1>and actually they realize, holy crap, you know, there might

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<v Speaker 1>be something too. Seasonal effective disorder, which was also thought

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<v Speaker 1>to be a cry baby thing, there might be a

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<v Speaker 1>little something to it that. You know, the natural light

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<v Speaker 1>from the sun provides a great deal more than just

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<v Speaker 1>your ability not to bump into walls, right, It actually

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<v Speaker 1>provides a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the thing. That my friend has is that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, disorder where they're seasonal, I don't know, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>you call it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, seasonal effective disorder. Right. So but these lamps, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>telling you they were sort of like you know, for

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<v Speaker 1>a while, people had different weird things in their houses,

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<v Speaker 1>like a specific kind of windsh because the sound, the

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<v Speaker 1>tone was literally meant to, you know, change the vibrational

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<v Speaker 1>experience in your home, you know, so you had to

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<v Speaker 1>hie you know, you had to hang it at the entrance,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you had to hang another one strategically elsewhere

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<v Speaker 1>in order so that those who would you know, come

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<v Speaker 1>into your uh you know, vibrational space wouldn't disturb you know,

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<v Speaker 1>your good zen, your good juju if you will. And

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, a lot of people thought that was

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<v Speaker 1>hippie dippy nonsense a long time, of course, you know, sadly,

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<v Speaker 1>although there's a lot of cry babies and people that

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<v Speaker 1>are stupid and don't understand things, I will tell you

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<v Speaker 1>that I never saw it as just nonsense, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my own spiritual practices tell me that indeed, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>things that are tonal, things that you know, they're just

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit more mysticism and science to be offered

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<v Speaker 1>than a lot of people are willing to accept, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So indeed, the colors of the walls, even in institutional

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<v Speaker 1>concepts about you know, you make colors of a prison

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<v Speaker 1>a certain color because that will be less likely to encourage, say,

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<v Speaker 1>violent modes of thinking, violent attitudes and moods. Even you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they paint the walls of mental facilities specific colors, and

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<v Speaker 1>they specifically decorate because people exposed to certain colors, which

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<v Speaker 1>has to do you know something again with the reception

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<v Speaker 1>of light. Indeed, there's more than just a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And look, there is no matter what you do, no

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<v Speaker 1>thing is, long ago did you start listening to my show?

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<v Speaker 1>certain point that you kind of joined into what it

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<v Speaker 1>is I've been doing now since you know, twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>When did you actually start listening?

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<v Speaker 2>Thing? It was like September of twenty nineteen, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well you missed.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when I joined That's when I joined you on

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<v Speaker 2>the show. I've had been listening for like a year

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So let's just say total. You know, you've been

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<v Speaker 1>for like seven years, right, something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus I'm honest.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we're getting close to thirteen years. We're closer

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<v Speaker 1>to thirteen than we are to twelve, but let's just

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<v Speaker 1>call it twelve. So I'm just telling you there was

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<v Speaker 1>five years of stuff where I did explorations on here

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<v Speaker 1>that weren't you know, all conspiracy and JFK. I did

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<v Speaker 1>explorations about, you know, the science that's being ignored, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the truth of things regarding the symbols you see around you,

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. I did years worth of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>showed me new things, you know, people that wrote books

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<v Speaker 1>because nobody wants to hear it anymore. But there is

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<v Speaker 1>a whole world of as per usual, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit dangerous, you know. And it was hard

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<v Speaker 1>sifting through all that because look, I don't know everything

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<v Speaker 1>about everything, and I remember going through long things about

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<v Speaker 1>and is color coding. It was a little vague to me.

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<v Speaker 1>But earlier on, I mean I talked about scientific stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>is a little bit too difficult for our current technology. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But the things that you can measure and even taking

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<v Speaker 1>they're electric. They're basically magnetic measurements, right, they create magnetic

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<v Speaker 1>imaging MRIs exactly, magnetic radio. Okay, there you go. The

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<v Speaker 1>imaging from MRIs right. If you do it on somebody

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<v Speaker 1>in real time while they're being exposed to stimulus, you

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<v Speaker 1>can see the brain doing things. Now as for whether

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<v Speaker 1>they've decoded exactly what all of it does, not necessarily,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean it's strange to see people go, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, you know, that's like kooky science stuff. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this is like what people talk about when

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<v Speaker 1>they smoke too much weed, you know, And I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but sometimes some people, not everybody. Most people just think

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<v Speaker 1>they're brilliant when they smoke weed, but you know they're not,

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<v Speaker 1>but they believe they are. You know, just like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of guitar players I've known, they were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>of those guys want to believe, but they believe that

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<v Speaker 2>Who was it I read something just the other day.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember who it was. One of these bands

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<v Speaker 2>much drugs for years while he was in the band

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<v Speaker 2>that when he finally got sober, he had to reteach

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, because and look, there's something useful there, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in literally creating a whole other skill set and ability

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<v Speaker 1>to utilize an ability to operate in an altered state

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<v Speaker 1>of mind. You know, there's something to be said about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, even I did the exploration. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how you feel about the psilocybin exploration I did, but

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<v Speaker 1>indeed a useful you know, purpose that can be gotten

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<v Speaker 1>from things that people have just treated as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>an illicit drug for many, many years. It doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>I don't at all. But when I do, generally it's

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<v Speaker 1>for a practical purpose. And even when I talked about

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<v Speaker 1>being a cannabis advocate, which is almost like seems like

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<v Speaker 1>it's from a different century now, right Most people are like, ah,

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<v Speaker 1>so what, But there was a time when that was

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<v Speaker 1>advocate for it, but I don't even utilize it that

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<v Speaker 1>often cannabis. You know, it was something that I was utilizing, say,

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<v Speaker 1>at a time when I had a running mind. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, And to me, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>Going to say, you know, you you normally don't hear

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<v Speaker 2>about the cannabis issue until a state is getting ready

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<v Speaker 2>to vote on whether they're going to legalize it or not.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's when you see the studies come out, Oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>couple of studies where they've used elucinogenics for uh PTSD

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<v Speaker 2>in veterans treatments for that. And then there's the whole

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<v Speaker 2>ketamine situation. What was it? Who was the guy on

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<v Speaker 2>Friends played Chandler? He was Yeah. They in fact, they

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of those they that went through prosecution for

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<v Speaker 2>getting him his drugs. And I think a doctor played

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<v Speaker 2>guilty or or as some kind of plea agreement for

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<v Speaker 2>writing prescriptions in that. But I didn't realize that kennemy

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<v Speaker 1>Well, even the Pentagon now has actually put us side. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know with the current you know craziness and

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<v Speaker 1>the budget and all the wrangling and you know what's

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<v Speaker 1>being canceled and dozed and everything else. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>previous to DOGE and previous to the second Trump administration,

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<v Speaker 1>including the first Trump administration, there were plenty of people

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<v Speaker 1>the the scientific research into guess what, using d MT

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<v Speaker 1>using uh, you know, cannabis using uh, you know, psilocybin

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<v Speaker 1>directly in controlled clinical circumstances, obviously, but they were experimenting

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<v Speaker 1>and literally had a couple of like, you know, programs

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<v Speaker 1>exploring this as a way of h yeah, indeed helping PTSD.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh you know, problems with troops directly with people that

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And I think that's highly important, you know why.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a personal issue to me. But the thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it can be effective. But as per usual, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we always need to exercise the caution that there is

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<v Speaker 1>a single use for a single thing for everyone. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>is indeed medically different. We have similarities, but there are differences.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I talk to you about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but especially because of your sort of fascination with certain

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to things like, you know, actually medical circumstances

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that, anesthe and uh and and things

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<v Speaker 1>related to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the redheaded thing, uh and anesthesia, I remember one night.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that's the thing is that. But these are

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<v Speaker 1>drugs that are banned outright, absolutely banned. We talked about

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<v Speaker 1>it because of the somebody brought some of their uh

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<v Speaker 1>uh you know psych meds to Korea, right, and there

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<v Speaker 1>was a big, big problem because it's absolutely like a

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was that was Adderall. Adderall, a member of

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<v Speaker 2>uh to Anyone, was over here in the States, and

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<v Speaker 2>back to her doctor in the States, so they redid

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<v Speaker 2>her prescription and sent it over and Adderall is totally

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<v Speaker 2>illegal in South Korea. Yeah, and they went so far

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<v Speaker 2>as to let the package through and then they went

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<v Speaker 2>it was like two days later they went to where

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<v Speaker 2>the package was delivered and the grandmother had given it

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<v Speaker 2>over it over just something as simple as adderall. Of

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<v Speaker 1>and real, very real danger to Asian people when it

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, they banned it because it contains myth assaults.

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<v Speaker 2>Not sure myth, but that was the it's on their

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. See, now that is the public facing story of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But the reality is, and an anesthesiologist who work here

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<v Speaker 1>you can get them to reveal their secrets, but they

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<v Speaker 1>certain groupings that where just the stuff doesn't work for

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<v Speaker 1>certain people, you know, et cetera, et cetera. Like I

419
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<v Speaker 1>personally am a weird case when it comes to anesthesiologists,

420
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<v Speaker 1>but Asians in general and Koreans especially, it can be

421
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<v Speaker 1>lethal some of the components that are in some of

422
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<v Speaker 1>these you know, psychotropics like lethality. There's stuff that we're

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<v Speaker 1>given out of, like just just like candy year, you

424
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<v Speaker 1>can have a lethal situation in Korea. Sorry, Well, speaking

425
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<v Speaker 1>of what.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, I've just read something today that

427
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<v Speaker 2>are f k JR. They put out some study that

428
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<v Speaker 2>says that COVID nineteen was designed to be more addicted

429
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<v Speaker 2>well more, I can't think of the word. It's more

430
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<v Speaker 2>contagious for white people and what was the other ones, oh,

431
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<v Speaker 2>black Americans or blacks and whites, and that Jews and

432
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<v Speaker 2>Chinese are not affected in the same way. They don't

433
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<v Speaker 2>have the lethality in people with those genes as white

434
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<v Speaker 2>people and black people. Okay, so now how did they

435
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<v Speaker 2>fall across that?

436
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<v Speaker 1>Well, here's the thing I already find what you're sourcing

437
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<v Speaker 1>this from to be highly suspect, and I'll tell you why.

438
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<v Speaker 1>And here's the reality again people don't want to face.

439
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<v Speaker 1>But Jewish people in general is not an ethnicity. There

440
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<v Speaker 1>are ethnic groups that you could scribe that have you know,

441
00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:06.920
<v Speaker 1>serious populations that are Jews. But to literally, you know,

442
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<v Speaker 1>kind of go with the there's something wrong already in

443
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<v Speaker 1>the study, in the in the in the data set,

444
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<v Speaker 1>I promise you, because again it's like saying Catholics, okay, uh, Catholics,

445
00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:22.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, get I don't know the flu More often

446
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<v Speaker 1>it's ridiculous unless you can find a causation that has

447
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<v Speaker 1>to do with directly some sort of Catholic ritual. And

448
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<v Speaker 1>even then you've got a problem because people that are

449
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<v Speaker 1>categorized as Catholic aren't necessarily active in all the rituals.

450
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<v Speaker 1>So you know, this idea, there's a confusion there. There

451
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<v Speaker 1>is you know, baseline things that are in genetics, and

452
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<v Speaker 1>then there's what we decide to do with ourselves. And

453
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<v Speaker 1>Jewish is just simply you know, there are again clusters

454
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<v Speaker 1>of similar you know, genetic makeups there among Jewish people.

455
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<v Speaker 1>But to like kind of go, oh well, Jews, this

456
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<v Speaker 1>or that mediately my my red flags go up behind

457
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<v Speaker 1>my back.

458
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<v Speaker 2>You know, uh, well, they're talking about ethnic Jews, not

459
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<v Speaker 2>religious Jews. But I'm trying to find the story.

460
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but see on X. Okay, but right there, but

461
00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:15.920
<v Speaker 1>right there, be pete, what is an ethnic Jew? There's

462
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<v Speaker 1>a problem because there's groups here, right.

463
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<v Speaker 2>You got your large DNA traces all the way back

464
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<v Speaker 2>to the DNA that they've attributed to the Semitic tribes

465
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<v Speaker 2>out of the Middle East.

466
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but see that's all over the place. I mean,

467
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<v Speaker 1>are you telling me that the Sephardic and the darker

468
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<v Speaker 1>you know people what, they're not Jews? So we got

469
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<v Speaker 1>to get specific here. You're talking about Middle Eastern people

470
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<v Speaker 1>that happen to cluster among Jews. But there's no like

471
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<v Speaker 1>Jewish set of genetics, is what I'm saying. If you

472
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<v Speaker 1>go back and you want to trace it with the

473
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<v Speaker 1>tribes and all that has been spread out, I mean,

474
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<v Speaker 1>you got to admit there's plenty of people that probably

475
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<v Speaker 1>stem off of the Jewish to like say family tree

476
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<v Speaker 1>in that case, that don't land anywhere, you know, continuous

477
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<v Speaker 1>in the cycle there, that have some of these genetics

478
00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:05.240
<v Speaker 1>that are running around that don't even know that. You know,

479
00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:08.880
<v Speaker 1>nineteen generations ago they were connected to the tribe, you

480
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:11.920
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, But now they're so far removed.

481
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<v Speaker 1>When you've got a time period like that, I mean,

482
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<v Speaker 1>here we go, right, there's genetics that are not going

483
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<v Speaker 1>to cluster back up and you're not going to be

484
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<v Speaker 1>able to collect there that are shared.

485
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<v Speaker 2>Now.

486
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<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't you agree with that?

487
00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:29.319
<v Speaker 2>Or no, yeah, I'd agree with it.

488
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<v Speaker 1>So you know, so at some point there's some arbitrary

489
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<v Speaker 1>decisions being made here where it's not you know, simply

490
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<v Speaker 1>based on this thing which you're very close to, say,

491
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<v Speaker 1>a geographical shared culture, and you know, very very few families. See,

492
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<v Speaker 1>I've had to go through this a bit. To go

493
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<v Speaker 1>back to again, I'm I know this is going to

494
00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:53.599
<v Speaker 1>sound crazy, you know, and I keep bringing it up

495
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:55.160
<v Speaker 1>because I'm working.

496
00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:55.680
<v Speaker 2>On it all the time.

497
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<v Speaker 1>But this idea about the secret societies in the Mediterranean,

498
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<v Speaker 1>like literally I can tell you that some of what

499
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:08.160
<v Speaker 1>they call the mafia the mob are linked to secret

500
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:12.759
<v Speaker 1>societies that existed before the Roman Empire had to deal

501
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:16.519
<v Speaker 1>with with Christ you know, as an issue on the calendar,

502
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:18.119
<v Speaker 1>whether you believe it was here or not. If we

503
00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:21.319
<v Speaker 1>go back to that time period, okay, and literally relate it.

504
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<v Speaker 1>You got you know, the mafia secret society organization more

505
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<v Speaker 1>than one by the way, that are you know, in existence,

506
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:35.920
<v Speaker 1>let's say, at that time, and already basically creating what

507
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<v Speaker 1>would later become the framework for one of what I

508
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:44.119
<v Speaker 1>call the Italian or the Mediterranean octopus, which is literally

509
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:48.839
<v Speaker 1>eight mafias. Okay, And I gotta I gotta try and

510
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:51.440
<v Speaker 1>show people this, and they're they're not going to understand

511
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:53.559
<v Speaker 1>some of it and probably going to sit there and

512
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:57.200
<v Speaker 1>disbelieve even though it's backed by very you know, you

513
00:28:57.200 --> 00:28:59.599
<v Speaker 1>can go do the study yourself and find what I found.

514
00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:03.319
<v Speaker 1>And then there's stuff that they can't find, which I'm

515
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:05.839
<v Speaker 1>gonna have to discuss too, but that'll be part of

516
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:09.519
<v Speaker 1>the hidden history, if you will. But anyway, yeah, you know,

517
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<v Speaker 1>but I don't know what you think of all that.

518
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<v Speaker 1>But I'm just saying that when we go back to

519
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<v Speaker 1>study genealogy, yeah, go ahead.

520
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:17.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't really put any faith in it. I mean,

521
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:19.200
<v Speaker 2>that was a claim that was you know, was made

522
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:24.759
<v Speaker 2>back during right before the election, I think, and supposedly

523
00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:27.599
<v Speaker 2>they've done some more research into it or something, but.

524
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<v Speaker 1>Well, this is happening COVID.

525
00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:34.759
<v Speaker 2>Is if that was the case, why didn COVID, you know,

526
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:36.160
<v Speaker 2>hit so hard in China.

527
00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:38.319
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I want about this.

528
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:40.640
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of deaths in China from COVID.

529
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:42.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I've already given you part of the way

530
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:45.440
<v Speaker 1>to discount this nonsense, because I'm going to tell you

531
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:48.440
<v Speaker 1>what it really comes from is that there is a

532
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:51.240
<v Speaker 1>need and people will latch onto it to go into

533
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:55.519
<v Speaker 1>the eugenics arguments. It's always there, and it is a

534
00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:59.480
<v Speaker 1>recurring theme. B Pete. I know that this like sucks

535
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:02.359
<v Speaker 1>on some level for some people because they wind up

536
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:04.480
<v Speaker 1>figuring out that they're sort of tied in some of

537
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:09.079
<v Speaker 1>their beliefs to the eugenics concepts. But eugenics is a

538
00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:14.519
<v Speaker 1>very real, recurring, constantly moving thing, you know, intellectually in

539
00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:17.599
<v Speaker 1>our society. And what it boils down to is they

540
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:20.720
<v Speaker 1>want to basically say, look, if you were born with

541
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:23.799
<v Speaker 1>certain characteristics, you're a certain color, you're a certain race,

542
00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:26.319
<v Speaker 1>you're a certain you know, you came from a certain

543
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:28.240
<v Speaker 1>part of the world, you're part of this group or

544
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:31.920
<v Speaker 1>that group. They want to say that basically, your destiny

545
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:35.720
<v Speaker 1>is already predetermined. You know, you're already going to be this.

546
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:39.000
<v Speaker 1>You're already this. You're already that by virtue of just

547
00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:42.319
<v Speaker 1>the fact that you happen to inherit, you know, a

548
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:44.720
<v Speaker 1>particular set of genetic codes.

549
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:47.880
<v Speaker 2>And oh no, look at women they go and have

550
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:50.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, breast removal surgery simply because they have a

551
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:54.200
<v Speaker 2>certain gene which they say raises your chances of having

552
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:56.799
<v Speaker 2>breast cancer later on in life. All right, but this

553
00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:58.960
<v Speaker 2>is a war all kinds of thing.

554
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:02.839
<v Speaker 1>This is an unfair warping of things that causes people

555
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:05.960
<v Speaker 1>to basically, you know, volunteer to be part of a

556
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:08.680
<v Speaker 1>cast system. I mean, think about this. The people that

557
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:11.759
<v Speaker 1>have in their brains that you know, white people, okay,

558
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:14.880
<v Speaker 1>are evil. White people are evil because they're you know,

559
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:17.799
<v Speaker 1>the enslavers and all that. Okay, you and I both

560
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:20.359
<v Speaker 1>have arguments with those people. But here's the weird thing

561
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:24.839
<v Speaker 1>about it. They're embracing the very same thing where it's like, well,

562
00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:28.400
<v Speaker 1>you came from white people, so therefore you are. They're

563
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:33.559
<v Speaker 1>embracing the very same root concepts that led like the

564
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:37.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, the Nation of Islam people right to you know,

565
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:40.319
<v Speaker 1>the NI people to turn around and say, well, white

566
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:43.240
<v Speaker 1>people are actually not human. They were manufactured by a

567
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:46.799
<v Speaker 1>man scientist named Yakoub, you know, in the side of

568
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:49.640
<v Speaker 1>a mountain, and he was a big headed human that

569
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:52.759
<v Speaker 1>was a mad scientist, and he created the devil, and

570
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.319
<v Speaker 1>the devil is the white people with the blue eyes. Okay,

571
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:58.720
<v Speaker 1>those same people end up dealing with the very same

572
00:31:58.880 --> 00:32:03.559
<v Speaker 1>roots of well, you know, since they're black, that means

573
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:06.559
<v Speaker 1>that they were born to be criminals, you know, since

574
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:11.720
<v Speaker 1>they were whatever, picked something else, since they were Jewish,

575
00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:14.400
<v Speaker 1>they're good with numbers and money, you know what I mean.

576
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:19.279
<v Speaker 1>It's the same thinking that they latched themselves onto. And

577
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.400
<v Speaker 1>it's literally some of the same concepts. So the people,

578
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:24.599
<v Speaker 1>no matter which side you want to stand on that

579
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:28.160
<v Speaker 1>you say, okay, these people are racist no matter where.

580
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:31.079
<v Speaker 1>If you look at the racist concept and the so

581
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:34.599
<v Speaker 1>called science with it, it all winds up tying right

582
00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:39.079
<v Speaker 1>back to the same damn thing, which is the eugenics argument.

583
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:42.759
<v Speaker 1>If you are this thing, then therefore this you know,

584
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:46.400
<v Speaker 1>the idea that the Mormons, the darker your skin, well

585
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:49.160
<v Speaker 1>the more the more hell is on your soul, or

586
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:51.559
<v Speaker 1>whatever however they worded it. But I mean, that's what

587
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:53.799
<v Speaker 1>it came down to. Why are people dark because their

588
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:57.000
<v Speaker 1>souls are darkened and therefore their flesh comes out that way.

589
00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:00.839
<v Speaker 1>And you know what I mean, like if you pare

590
00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:03.400
<v Speaker 1>it down enough, if you dig deep enough, you find

591
00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:06.720
<v Speaker 1>these things. And it puts the very racist on the

592
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:10.079
<v Speaker 1>same side as people that claim not to be. And

593
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:14.960
<v Speaker 1>it's all racialism as opposed to racism. It's racialism where

594
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:16.279
<v Speaker 1>there's a predetermination.

595
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:19.559
<v Speaker 2>It's the whole eugenics program back in the thirties.

596
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:23.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well but you see again, back in the thirties,

597
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:26.720
<v Speaker 1>we take it back to there. The eugenic society existed

598
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:30.839
<v Speaker 1>here in America, first of all, and it was exported

599
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:34.279
<v Speaker 1>to the Germans in the first d and place. You know,

600
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:38.519
<v Speaker 1>all that pseudo intellectualism came from like these people who

601
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:40.759
<v Speaker 1>got together and said, you know, we have this belief

602
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:44.839
<v Speaker 1>about racial identity, and you know, and even the Aryan people, right,

603
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:50.599
<v Speaker 1>and quotes they're invented partially from Norse mythology. And then

604
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:55.839
<v Speaker 1>the claims, these claims on pseudoscience, you know, which includes

605
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:57.839
<v Speaker 1>some other weird things where it's like, you know, if

606
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:00.519
<v Speaker 1>your nose is just so big, then that means eight

607
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:03.039
<v Speaker 1>different things about you. You know, if you happen to

608
00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:06.960
<v Speaker 1>be of a similar height, you know, a certain height

609
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:10.239
<v Speaker 1>grouping is. It means that if you never grow like past,

610
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:14.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, five foot five, then literally you you lack

611
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:16.639
<v Speaker 1>the character to have this or that you know, good

612
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:20.199
<v Speaker 1>trade in you because of your height. Weird stuff starts

613
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:22.480
<v Speaker 1>to happen when they really break it down and start

614
00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.559
<v Speaker 1>trying to go into particulars and start telling you that

615
00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:29.199
<v Speaker 1>the color of your eyes, you know, literally determines your

616
00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:31.880
<v Speaker 1>actions in life. Whether you're going to be a criminal

617
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:35.480
<v Speaker 1>or not can be determined by the differential between you know,

618
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:39.920
<v Speaker 1>your fingertips, you know, despite the Fibonacci equation, you know,

619
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:42.960
<v Speaker 1>explaining how it is were laid out and all that. No, no, no, See,

620
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:46.079
<v Speaker 1>the people that have like the longer middle finger, you know,

621
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:48.880
<v Speaker 1>they're I mean almost this stupid, but not quite. But

622
00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:51.199
<v Speaker 1>the people that have a longer middle finger are more

623
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:53.360
<v Speaker 1>likely to give the middle finger to society. You know.

624
00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Weird stuff happens this way. And I'm just bringing this

625
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<v Speaker 1>up as something to talk about. We have a couple

626
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:02.760
<v Speaker 1>of callers and I'd love to get to them. So

627
00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:05.280
<v Speaker 1>what do you think should we take them in order?

628
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:07.079
<v Speaker 1>Should I figure out who's in order? Or you got

629
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:08.639
<v Speaker 1>some more things you want to throw on the fire

630
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:12.039
<v Speaker 1>before we get cooking. No, just a couple of updates.

631
00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:15.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm sitting here trying to stay on top of the

632
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Major League Baseball playoffs, and it looks like spent Kent's

633
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:23.039
<v Speaker 2>Mariners are down at the moment. So I can't remember

634
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:26.719
<v Speaker 2>if these playoffs at this point, is it best out

635
00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:31.760
<v Speaker 2>of five? I think it is anyway, Blue Jays, they're

636
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:34.360
<v Speaker 2>tied two games each and right now the Mariners are

637
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:38.480
<v Speaker 2>down two to one, top to eighth with one out. Also,

638
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:43.239
<v Speaker 2>we're looking at the Nebraska game is still at zero zero.

639
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:48.880
<v Speaker 2>And I'll give you the update on Miami and Cardinals

640
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:52.440
<v Speaker 2>here in a second. Look that. I mean, you know,

641
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:55.199
<v Speaker 2>this is the best time of year. You've got football,

642
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:59.199
<v Speaker 2>you've got hockey, you've got baseball in case, just it's amazing.

643
00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:01.639
<v Speaker 1>Well, sir, let me let me give you a little

644
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:06.039
<v Speaker 1>little minor correction. We're in the league championship series phase

645
00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:09.280
<v Speaker 1>of Major League Baseball, and I just double checked to

646
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:11.960
<v Speaker 1>make sure I was sure about this. But fact is,

647
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:15.599
<v Speaker 1>we're in the four out of seven game situation.

648
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:20.159
<v Speaker 2>Because that's right, championships are four out of sevens of

649
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:20.679
<v Speaker 2>the series.

650
00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:23.679
<v Speaker 1>The first phase when they changed the playoffs, they turned

651
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:28.599
<v Speaker 1>it to the three out of five. Right, But you see,

652
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:32.679
<v Speaker 1>if you notice already the Dodgers lead the Brewers, you know,

653
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:34.440
<v Speaker 1>three games to none right now.

654
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're they're playing Also.

655
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:41.079
<v Speaker 1>Right there, there's zero zero in the top of the first.

656
00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:44.639
<v Speaker 1>I got it. There's zero zero, zero zero in the

657
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:45.760
<v Speaker 1>top of the first, right now.

658
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:49.880
<v Speaker 2>So I did pull Nebraska beating Minnesota three to nothing. Right.

659
00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:53.000
<v Speaker 1>So I have no idea what's going on with WrestleMania

660
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:55.719
<v Speaker 1>this year, But there you go. I would watch baseball,

661
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:58.000
<v Speaker 1>but I got to be honest with you, I don't

662
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.480
<v Speaker 1>think I care about any of these teams that are

663
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:02.559
<v Speaker 1>in there now. So it's kind of like who's going

664
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:04.559
<v Speaker 1>to get the World Series. I'll find out in a week.

665
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:07.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm hoping. I hate to go against Fank Camp, but

666
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm a Toronto guy, so I'm hoping they clean the house. Well,

667
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:12.360
<v Speaker 2>you have them go back to the series.

668
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah you had a personal connection, didn't you to to Toronto?

669
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:18.320
<v Speaker 1>Wasn't that one again? Yeah? Okay, I understand.

670
00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we were a farm team for Toronto.

671
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:25.159
<v Speaker 1>I mean vaguely, if I had to pick a team

672
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:27.559
<v Speaker 1>out of these four sitting here and like somebody said,

673
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:30.400
<v Speaker 1>pick one to win, I'd probably choose the Dodgers because

674
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:34.079
<v Speaker 1>always National League and the Dodgers at the very least

675
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:36.960
<v Speaker 1>they carry the you know, it's Dodger Blue. That's half

676
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.880
<v Speaker 1>of the Mets, you know, actual team colors. So I

677
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:42.519
<v Speaker 1>would probably go with the National League and Dodger Blue.

678
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:45.159
<v Speaker 1>I'd probably choose the Dodgers and hope that they win.

679
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:48.480
<v Speaker 1>If I had even a a I don't know, a

680
00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:51.360
<v Speaker 1>shred of a desire to root for somebody, I would

681
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:53.920
<v Speaker 1>root for the Dodgers. But there you go.

682
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:56.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the only problem I had with Toronto is is

683
00:37:56.519 --> 00:38:01.599
<v Speaker 3>there in the ale Al East you got the Yankees

684
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:06.320
<v Speaker 3>and Boston and Toronto, and every year it seems like

685
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:08.519
<v Speaker 3>it's either Boston or the Yankees.

686
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:12.039
<v Speaker 1>Well that's all right, the Yankees, by their way in

687
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:13.840
<v Speaker 1>That's the way it's always been the whole time I've

688
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:17.159
<v Speaker 1>been alive, So screw it. By the way, there is

689
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:20.159
<v Speaker 1>a note in the chat room about, you know, black

690
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:23.079
<v Speaker 1>people definitely can't handle the meth like white people do,

691
00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:26.960
<v Speaker 1>according to a chatter an anonymous one, And I got

692
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:30.239
<v Speaker 1>to tell you, I disagree, because it seems to me

693
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:32.960
<v Speaker 1>like nobody can handle the meth to well once they

694
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:37.039
<v Speaker 1>get into it. So meth to me, is a weird drug.

695
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:42.519
<v Speaker 1>It's definitely something otherworldly because I have never seen and

696
00:38:42.559 --> 00:38:46.119
<v Speaker 1>I've been around all kinds of drug addicts, and you know,

697
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:49.639
<v Speaker 1>I survived through the Krack era of drugs in the country,

698
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:55.000
<v Speaker 1>was involved in neighborhoods where drugs was drugs, and you know,

699
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:57.480
<v Speaker 1>even in order to prove myself useful as a child,

700
00:38:57.559 --> 00:39:00.960
<v Speaker 1>I had to you know, participate a bit, not get high,

701
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:03.159
<v Speaker 1>but you know, make make a little business here or

702
00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:05.719
<v Speaker 1>there if I wanted to eat, et cetera, and also

703
00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:08.639
<v Speaker 1>prove myself useful, so you know, somebody didn't forget about

704
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:10.039
<v Speaker 1>me and leave me out in the cold during the

705
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:14.039
<v Speaker 1>winter or something. So you know, the fact is, yeah,

706
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:18.400
<v Speaker 1>meth to me is different. Even crack was not as insidious.

707
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:22.079
<v Speaker 1>There's something almost evil about meth, to be honest with you,

708
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.039
<v Speaker 1>from what I can tell. And I mean, it's just

709
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:28.199
<v Speaker 1>it's just a vague, gut kind of reaction to the

710
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:31.320
<v Speaker 1>world I see around me when meth happens and the

711
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:34.559
<v Speaker 1>destructive force on it. Sure you can lose your teeth

712
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.480
<v Speaker 1>being a heroin attic, but I mean it almost looks

713
00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:39.519
<v Speaker 1>like you lose your soul when you go over to

714
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:43.800
<v Speaker 1>meth man, it is brutal. So I don't think anybody

715
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:48.119
<v Speaker 1>handles meth too well, so you know, black, white, or otherwise,

716
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:52.159
<v Speaker 1>although I will say it seems like black people are

717
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:55.719
<v Speaker 1>not as drawn to the myth as white people are either.

718
00:39:57.440 --> 00:39:59.960
<v Speaker 1>It's just not their thing. You know. Again, I'm making

719
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.239
<v Speaker 1>collective racial observations here, right, I shouldn't really do that,

720
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:06.760
<v Speaker 1>But the world shows me what the world shows me.

721
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:09.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I generally, the first thing I think if

722
00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:13.880
<v Speaker 1>I see wrecked drug addict of a particular ethnicity is

723
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:15.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't jump to meth on a black guy. I

724
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:19.400
<v Speaker 1>just don't a lot of other possibilities there. They could

725
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:21.559
<v Speaker 1>just be drinking themselves to death. And I've seen people

726
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:25.920
<v Speaker 1>do that of all stripes my whole life. But yeah,

727
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:28.360
<v Speaker 1>meth No, I don't think anybody handles it well. But

728
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.719
<v Speaker 1>maybe that's just me. Maybe we should get to the

729
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:34.239
<v Speaker 1>callers instead of my ideas about you know, drug destruction

730
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:38.280
<v Speaker 1>and the soul is nature of the business or whatever

731
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:39.719
<v Speaker 1>you want to do, be pete. Should we get to

732
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:44.880
<v Speaker 1>the college now? All right, I'm trying to have fun

733
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:46.880
<v Speaker 1>because I got a bad feeling this show is not

734
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:48.679
<v Speaker 1>going to be fun tonight. I don't know why, but

735
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:50.719
<v Speaker 1>I want to go in with a good attitude, positive

736
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:57.199
<v Speaker 1>and everything neativity. I don't know, it's just sometimes I

737
00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:01.159
<v Speaker 1>feel exhausted by the end of the Show's draining to

738
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:05.639
<v Speaker 1>me personally anyway, It's just me. I'm trying to roll

739
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:07.400
<v Speaker 1>with it though, And if you guys want to join,

740
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.800
<v Speaker 1>please do. Please bring on new ideas, tell a friend

741
00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:14.159
<v Speaker 1>to call in, even I don't mind, you know, even

742
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:16.480
<v Speaker 1>jerky calls, call up and tell me you want to

743
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:20.199
<v Speaker 1>talk about you know, the local convenience store has, you know,

744
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:24.159
<v Speaker 1>shitty hot dogs. Do it, Let's do it anything, Bring

745
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:27.400
<v Speaker 1>it on. Let's have a wide open conversation and kind

746
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.239
<v Speaker 1>of just explore the world down here on Friday nights.

747
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:33.599
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'd love to do. And some people wrote

748
00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:36.280
<v Speaker 1>to me a couple quick notes before I go to

749
00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:41.480
<v Speaker 1>the Callers Live, just to acknowledge some emails and other

750
00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:46.280
<v Speaker 1>other communications. I had requests for do a show on

751
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Kurt Cobain's death. I got three of them in one day,

752
00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:51.639
<v Speaker 1>which I found.

753
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:54.039
<v Speaker 2>Strangth somebody's got a new book out, is that why?

754
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay?

755
00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I saw a thing on YouTube the other day.

756
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:04.159
<v Speaker 2>This private investigator is working with one of the guys

757
00:42:04.280 --> 00:42:09.559
<v Speaker 2>who was with Kirk Cobain supposedly when he was given

758
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:12.639
<v Speaker 2>a hot shot and then they moved him up to

759
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:19.920
<v Speaker 2>the room over the garage O perpetrated after that with

760
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:22.559
<v Speaker 2>the shotguns. That apparently that's the new claim.

761
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:25.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, since you saw it and I didn't, is that

762
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:27.960
<v Speaker 1>the investigator that was like supposed to have been hired

763
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:31.119
<v Speaker 1>by Courtney Love at one point and then sort of

764
00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:32.599
<v Speaker 1>saw crazy different one?

765
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this one that guy, Yeah, the one hired by

766
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Courtney Love. I watched all his stuff and you know,

767
00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:43.400
<v Speaker 2>he kind of put it on her. This other guy

768
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:49.320
<v Speaker 2>says that it wasn't her, but he's not sure. You know,

769
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:52.039
<v Speaker 2>a lot of that, Well I can't tell you that

770
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.679
<v Speaker 2>because it's in the book. Yeah, I can't get into

771
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:57.000
<v Speaker 2>that because it's in the book. Well yeah, I hate that.

772
00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:01.559
<v Speaker 1>I hate that. But also with this and a lot

773
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:05.239
<v Speaker 1>of these like rock star cases, you know, the fact

774
00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:08.159
<v Speaker 1>is there are people that know a little something and

775
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:11.480
<v Speaker 1>they are out there kind of in a weird fish bowl,

776
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:15.320
<v Speaker 1>like you know, like I actually was not too far

777
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:19.119
<v Speaker 1>from Lane Staley shortly before he went into his final

778
00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:22.719
<v Speaker 1>spiral and died. Uh. You know, that's around the time

779
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:27.679
<v Speaker 1>I met him, and it was a chance meeting thing.

780
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:30.119
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know anything about his death. I saw

781
00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:34.400
<v Speaker 1>a couple of weird things. But his mother is out there,

782
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:36.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, like pretty much begging for answers, and she

783
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:40.960
<v Speaker 1>believes somebody knows something that would change things regarding you know,

784
00:43:41.079 --> 00:43:43.239
<v Speaker 1>his death, which was you know, just seen in public

785
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:46.760
<v Speaker 1>as a you know, as a spiral into self destructive drugs.

786
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:49.960
<v Speaker 1>This guy, you know and Cobain is another case.

787
00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Guy was there with two others and it was the

788
00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:56.159
<v Speaker 2>two others that shot him up. It was some type

789
00:43:56.199 --> 00:44:00.800
<v Speaker 2>of confrontation. He had just gotten back that night from rehab. Okay,

790
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:05.000
<v Speaker 2>you've gotten back late, you know, and supposedly these they

791
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:08.039
<v Speaker 2>there was a confrontation. These two guys supposedly hit with

792
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:10.800
<v Speaker 2>pre made syringes and that's why he had such a

793
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:15.760
<v Speaker 2>hot h drug level in his for his alltops right, Okay,

794
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:18.199
<v Speaker 2>well they said it even a big user like him

795
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:20.280
<v Speaker 2>couldn't have used that much and still did what he

796
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:21.239
<v Speaker 2>did with the shotgun.

797
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:25.360
<v Speaker 1>But well discuss that we look without all these particulars.

798
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Though.

799
00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:27.159
<v Speaker 1>The thing I was trying to get at and why

800
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:30.519
<v Speaker 1>I brought up Plane Staley is because of the you know,

801
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:33.280
<v Speaker 1>the the first of all, the Seattle connection, but sort

802
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:37.000
<v Speaker 1>of in general the West Coast kind of entertainers and

803
00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:41.119
<v Speaker 1>especially entertainers of that time period. There is a whole

804
00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:45.960
<v Speaker 1>huge cast of characters that are unknown or lesser known

805
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:49.559
<v Speaker 1>that have gone forward, some of them and some of

806
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:52.880
<v Speaker 1>them not. You know, when you're part of something like

807
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:55.599
<v Speaker 1>an artistic community for real, you know, and you're not

808
00:44:55.719 --> 00:45:00.639
<v Speaker 1>like just a flat out insulated star. There's a lot

809
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:02.880
<v Speaker 1>of people around, and there's a lot of things going on,

810
00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:06.639
<v Speaker 1>and I've heard from some of those people directly over

811
00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:09.199
<v Speaker 1>the years. You know. There was the guy that that

812
00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Jack Blood knew really well, who ran the record label

813
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:14.639
<v Speaker 1>that Nirvana was first released on before they were huge

814
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:18.159
<v Speaker 1>and successful, right that new Kurt you know, in other

815
00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:20.719
<v Speaker 1>in his other works when he was just recording at

816
00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:23.960
<v Speaker 1>his aunt's house, that kind of stuff. There are people

817
00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:26.159
<v Speaker 1>that were in other bands. In fact, Jack Blood again

818
00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:29.920
<v Speaker 1>another guy who I can publicly put forward because he

819
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.159
<v Speaker 1>was there at one time. He was a roommate of

820
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Courtney loves Jack Blood right, literally living in one of

821
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.280
<v Speaker 1>those houses, one of those situations where a bunch of

822
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:42.599
<v Speaker 1>people live there, and so did Courtney. And there's people

823
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:45.440
<v Speaker 1>swapping roommates and moving around. I mean, there's a lot

824
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:49.519
<v Speaker 1>of there's a lot of odd stops of apartments and

825
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:52.159
<v Speaker 1>holes in the wall on your way to and through

826
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:56.840
<v Speaker 1>success in the music world, and especially back then, and

827
00:45:57.039 --> 00:45:59.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, there you go. Jack Blood was in bands

828
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:01.320
<v Speaker 1>with some of the big guys you know today, you

829
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:03.840
<v Speaker 1>know that that were in like Soundgarden and stuff like that.

830
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Well he was maybe jamming in their band, you know what,

831
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:10.480
<v Speaker 1>a year or two before their success happened. You know.

832
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:13.320
<v Speaker 1>So he's around some of those people. And he's not

833
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:16.880
<v Speaker 1>the only guy. I know. The guy who again that

834
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:19.920
<v Speaker 1>record label, guy who had that small sub Pop Records

835
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:22.800
<v Speaker 1>was the name of it, had a small label. You

836
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:26.360
<v Speaker 1>know that later on corporate record labels wound up sweeping

837
00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:29.159
<v Speaker 1>it all up. But I mean, there is many a

838
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:32.400
<v Speaker 1>thousand untold stories, you know what I mean along the way,

839
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:35.679
<v Speaker 1>and some of them mean something, and some of them don't.

840
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:38.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, going into Il Duce and the weird White

841
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:42.719
<v Speaker 1>Supremacists and the weird punk scene, you know, where people

842
00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:45.880
<v Speaker 1>did indeed deal heavy amounts of drugs and there were

843
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:50.440
<v Speaker 1>murders and so on and so forth. Again, that community

844
00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:53.760
<v Speaker 1>is a wild sort of thing to try and unravel

845
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:57.159
<v Speaker 1>for outsiders, and you know, I don't know what to

846
00:46:57.199 --> 00:46:59.119
<v Speaker 1>make of Kurt Cobaine's death at the end of the day,

847
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:01.480
<v Speaker 1>but addressing the fact that three people came at me

848
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:04.360
<v Speaker 1>at once, it much must just be that he was

849
00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:09.800
<v Speaker 1>making the rounds right regarding the you know, the death

850
00:47:09.880 --> 00:47:13.320
<v Speaker 1>and maybe new revelations by my book though, because I'm

851
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:15.559
<v Speaker 1>not going to tell you on the podcast, but probably

852
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:17.840
<v Speaker 1>they're doing media tours, so somebody wants one of those.

853
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:22.039
<v Speaker 1>In response on Twitter, I think I posted my interview

854
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:25.840
<v Speaker 1>with Hank Harrison, who was Courtney Love's father, not long

855
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:30.880
<v Speaker 1>before he died strangely, and I was one of the

856
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:32.599
<v Speaker 1>last people talking to a matter of fact, I was

857
00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:35.960
<v Speaker 1>trying to return a phone call from him and ended

858
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:37.800
<v Speaker 1>up with his wife on the phone, who was like,

859
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:39.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry to tell you. I know Hank wanted to

860
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:45.360
<v Speaker 1>talk to you, but he passed away. You know. Anyway,

861
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:49.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying I will be open to suggestions or connections.

862
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:52.320
<v Speaker 1>If anybody's got you know, somebody who's a witness, who

863
00:47:52.360 --> 00:47:54.679
<v Speaker 1>was around, who's written a book, and you got a

864
00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:56.960
<v Speaker 1>good d with them, let me know. I'll bring them

865
00:47:57.000 --> 00:47:59.840
<v Speaker 1>on the show and I'll be willing to explore whatever

866
00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:02.000
<v Speaker 1>you want regarding that. But I don't know what else

867
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:04.320
<v Speaker 1>to do with the Kurt Cobain mess. I mean, I

868
00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:08.840
<v Speaker 1>could try and you know, look up this author like Bpete.

869
00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:10.760
<v Speaker 1>If you got a link, you know, send it to me.

870
00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:12.519
<v Speaker 1>I'll look him up. See if he's got you know,

871
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:15.639
<v Speaker 1>management or an answering machine or you know, a cell

872
00:48:15.679 --> 00:48:17.920
<v Speaker 1>phone number. Some of these guys, you know, like kind

873
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:21.159
<v Speaker 1>of covertly post a cell phone number on their own

874
00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:24.719
<v Speaker 1>websites if they're independent. And since he was a private investigator,

875
00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:27.159
<v Speaker 1>maybe I can call up his office and get him.

876
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:29.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, let's try, right.

877
00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:32.280
<v Speaker 2>Let's see. Yeah, we'll look into that and see what

878
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:32.840
<v Speaker 2>we can do.

879
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, you don't got to do it now. Yeah, you

880
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:37.480
<v Speaker 1>don't got to do it now. You don't got to

881
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:39.360
<v Speaker 1>do it now. Just you know, like while somebody else

882
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:41.360
<v Speaker 1>is talking or whatever, do it. But let's get to

883
00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:43.199
<v Speaker 1>these phone callers, so we don't keep waiting, because now

884
00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:45.360
<v Speaker 1>I got three on the line. So I want to

885
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:47.880
<v Speaker 1>get to everybody. And we do have a little extra

886
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:49.559
<v Speaker 1>time tonight, so we're going to go over at the

887
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:52.159
<v Speaker 1>ten o'clock hour, just so everybody knows. But you can

888
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.280
<v Speaker 1>join us. Anybody hearing us live. Let's see what time

889
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:59.559
<v Speaker 1>is it? Almost nine pm Eastern? Okay, so join us.

890
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:02.960
<v Speaker 1>You got a minimum of an hour and fifteen at

891
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:07.159
<v Speaker 1>least to go tonight on the o'celli Effect Friday Night

892
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:09.960
<v Speaker 1>open Mic, and the number to call is three one

893
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:13.840
<v Speaker 1>nine five two seven five zero one six. That's three

894
00:49:13.880 --> 00:49:18.519
<v Speaker 1>one nine five two seven five zero one six. And

895
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:22.039
<v Speaker 1>even outside of the Kurt Cobain thing, if you got suggestions, yeah,

896
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:25.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm listening and I read them all. But if you've

897
00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:27.199
<v Speaker 1>got you know, a hint as to like, don't just

898
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:31.039
<v Speaker 1>give me an open subject, okay, Kurt Cobain. Great? Is

899
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:33.239
<v Speaker 1>there something specific you want me to go after a

900
00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:35.960
<v Speaker 1>specific guest or do you want me to do some

901
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:39.400
<v Speaker 1>research into something? Let me know, because it's a wide,

902
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:43.599
<v Speaker 1>wild world out there, and be specific with your requests.

903
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:47.440
<v Speaker 1>I will answer them, especially for people who actually support

904
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:51.079
<v Speaker 1>the network and chip something in and participate. Uh, you

905
00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:53.960
<v Speaker 1>are higher up on the priority list than a random

906
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:56.280
<v Speaker 1>guy who comes at me. And here's an example of

907
00:49:56.320 --> 00:50:00.119
<v Speaker 1>one of those guys. Jimmy James is first up on

908
00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:02.880
<v Speaker 1>the call line three one nine five two seven five

909
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:06.440
<v Speaker 1>zero one six. Jimmy James, what's on your mind? Brother?

910
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:14.159
<v Speaker 1>Mm hm? Oh lord?

911
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:14.760
<v Speaker 4>What was a.

912
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:19.719
<v Speaker 1>Long pause before you said anything? What's what?

913
00:50:26.199 --> 00:50:28.800
<v Speaker 4>Sounded like a hell of a commotion. I thought I

914
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:33.000
<v Speaker 4>had a like a rock music playing then waving me

915
00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:35.679
<v Speaker 4>in the show or something. I didn't know what was

916
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:36.199
<v Speaker 4>going on.

917
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:38.639
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. BP. Did you hear anything? I didn't.

918
00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:43.760
<v Speaker 2>No, nothing, not at ordinary.

919
00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:47.320
<v Speaker 1>Okay, we're we're confused, Jimmy, we didn't hear it. So

920
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:48.159
<v Speaker 1>what's on your mind?

921
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

922
00:50:57.039 --> 00:50:58.280
<v Speaker 4>Hit by freight train.

923
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:03.559
<v Speaker 5>I was feeling even more tired than usual than a

924
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:07.480
<v Speaker 5>few days ago. My throat hurt, felt like I've been

925
00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:12.880
<v Speaker 5>gargling with glass. Then I figure, I see I'm sick,

926
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:14.760
<v Speaker 5>sicker than usual.

927
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:18.639
<v Speaker 1>I've been like that like at least ten days now

928
00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:21.199
<v Speaker 1>with the throat bad. And before that I didn't feel

929
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:24.880
<v Speaker 1>too good either. But nasty throat past week daily, yeah

930
00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:30.119
<v Speaker 1>made me feel good. Yeah, I mean I literally had it.

931
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:32.079
<v Speaker 1>It felt like you know what, Jimmy, It started to

932
00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:34.360
<v Speaker 1>feel like the whole inside of my throat was like

933
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.000
<v Speaker 1>covered in scabs. That's the way it felt there a

934
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:37.880
<v Speaker 1>couple of days ago.

935
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:43.400
<v Speaker 2>How about you exactly exactly?

936
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:46.199
<v Speaker 4>So you know what I've been doing every day for

937
00:51:46.239 --> 00:51:48.480
<v Speaker 4>the last four days. I've been going down to the

938
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:52.599
<v Speaker 4>store and buying a jug of gatorade, and I had

939
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:59.119
<v Speaker 4>a feeling I was extremely dehi agreed, what's going well

940
00:51:59.159 --> 00:51:59.760
<v Speaker 4>outside of here?

941
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:07.760
<v Speaker 1>D hydration? Uh?

942
00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:13.000
<v Speaker 4>I was gonna asked if you ever got around to

943
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:14.880
<v Speaker 4>looking over that paper.

944
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:26.320
<v Speaker 1>But the paragraph you wrote, sir, that one paragraph, Yeah,

945
00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:28.519
<v Speaker 1>I got a paragraph that you wrote. You said it was.

946
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:40.199
<v Speaker 4>The whole outline of the Did you open the attachment?

947
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:43.679
<v Speaker 1>I I, it's it appears as though I didn't. You know,

948
00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:46.599
<v Speaker 1>I've been working with the Russian documents this week. I

949
00:52:46.719 --> 00:52:49.840
<v Speaker 1>was working with other research papers, and as I recall,

950
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:53.000
<v Speaker 1>you wrote about a uh, you know, a short synopsis

951
00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:55.480
<v Speaker 1>of what it is you want to do. So I

952
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:57.480
<v Speaker 1>would say, go ahead and do it, and let's see

953
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:00.360
<v Speaker 1>what we can do about publishing it, because everybody kind

954
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:02.519
<v Speaker 1>of stopped sending me the stuff to publish on the

955
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:05.360
<v Speaker 1>front page. So it's kind of just sitting there, and

956
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:07.800
<v Speaker 1>I kind of feel foolish about it now, to be

957
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:10.199
<v Speaker 1>honest with you, because nobody's gone ahead and just sent

958
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:12.320
<v Speaker 1>me the material that I keep asking for. So I

959
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:14.559
<v Speaker 1>don't know what to do there. I mean, you got more.

960
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Send it my way. I've got definite desire to publish

961
00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:20.960
<v Speaker 1>more on it. You know, the weekly Reader is not

962
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:24.119
<v Speaker 1>so weekly. I mean it's like, you know, how do

963
00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:27.199
<v Speaker 1>you say every twenty weeks, I'm going to publish something. Now,

964
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:31.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, because nobody's contributing, and I had a

965
00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:34.800
<v Speaker 1>lot of promises to contribute and it's not happening. So

966
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:37.599
<v Speaker 1>that's still open. If people want to send that stuff

967
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:41.840
<v Speaker 1>to me infoodochelly dot com. I will gladly receive your

968
00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:45.320
<v Speaker 1>work to publish and work with you on it. Anybody

969
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:49.159
<v Speaker 1>that has something interesting and unique to offer by all means,

970
00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:50.599
<v Speaker 1>send it to me and let's see if we can

971
00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:53.000
<v Speaker 1>publish you there, you know, we get a run. Going

972
00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:58.000
<v Speaker 1>might be interesting. Go ahead, Jimmy, I mean, please continue your.

973
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:03.039
<v Speaker 4>Work and send it. You said you wanted to look

974
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:07.239
<v Speaker 4>over anyone's ideas. Probably what it is people are probably

975
00:54:07.280 --> 00:54:09.440
<v Speaker 4>waiting to hear back from you.

976
00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:12.679
<v Speaker 1>But okay, I'll finish it out. Yeah, I'm telling you,

977
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:15.880
<v Speaker 1>finish your idea. I've told other people go ahead, continue

978
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:20.400
<v Speaker 1>and I get silence after that. I don't know. Please continue, everybody,

979
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:30.559
<v Speaker 1>write it and send it. Let's go. You know, so

980
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:31.599
<v Speaker 1>what else on your mind.

981
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:33.119
<v Speaker 2>Man, good, we'll take too long.

982
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:39.400
<v Speaker 4>Cool, so well, on with the next dude directly.

983
00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:42.320
<v Speaker 1>All right, let's do that. We'll go over to the

984
00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:44.880
<v Speaker 1>next guy, hold on, Jimmy, and we we will bring

985
00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:48.599
<v Speaker 1>you back on at some point. Okay, let's see who's next.

986
00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:53.239
<v Speaker 1>It looks like my friend from Florida, and I got

987
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:56.559
<v Speaker 1>to ask you, know, what did you do with the

988
00:54:56.639 --> 00:54:59.239
<v Speaker 1>list of songs? Because I thought i'd get a response.

989
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:02.559
<v Speaker 1>I racked my for a list of songs. You said,

990
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:05.039
<v Speaker 1>give me your soundtrack of five rock songs.

991
00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:11.360
<v Speaker 6>Right, to be honest, I haven't even had a chance

992
00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:12.400
<v Speaker 6>to get on next sit today.

993
00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, fair enough.

994
00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:18.960
<v Speaker 6>You see, late late night from work and I came

995
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:20.000
<v Speaker 6>home and been doing a.

996
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Little work in the grudge.

997
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Understandable, and I get some hey, but you did send

998
00:55:26.039 --> 00:55:29.079
<v Speaker 1>me that message, okay, And you asked me for five

999
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:33.320
<v Speaker 1>rock songs, right, that would be like the soundtrack of

1000
00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:36.880
<v Speaker 1>my life, my top five things that would be. And I, honestly,

1001
00:55:36.920 --> 00:55:38.639
<v Speaker 1>I think I had to send you six or seven.

1002
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:40.840
<v Speaker 1>I was trying to get it down to the five

1003
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:42.880
<v Speaker 1>and I just couldn't do it. I racked my brain

1004
00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:46.960
<v Speaker 1>a bit trying to really, like, I need these tracks,

1005
00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:51.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I sent you some and I got

1006
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:54.400
<v Speaker 1>to tell you got me thinking there. But yeah, that's

1007
00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:56.440
<v Speaker 1>that's as far as I could get it. Let me

1008
00:55:56.440 --> 00:55:58.440
<v Speaker 1>see if I settled on six or seven, because I

1009
00:55:58.480 --> 00:56:01.119
<v Speaker 1>kind of feel bad about removing one of them, but

1010
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:03.360
<v Speaker 1>had to be done. I was trying to stick to

1011
00:56:03.360 --> 00:56:06.039
<v Speaker 1>your rules and I couldn't do it. Man, I tried,

1012
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:07.800
<v Speaker 1>I really tried.

1013
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:12.159
<v Speaker 2>I'll be checking them out here. Surely I appreciate.

1014
00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:13.880
<v Speaker 1>It, Okay. I mean, if you got something else on

1015
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:16.239
<v Speaker 1>your mind, go for it. Otherwise maybe I'll go pull

1016
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:18.719
<v Speaker 1>it up. We'll talk about it now, you know.

1017
00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:25.239
<v Speaker 6>Well, yeah, I initially was calling for a different topic,

1018
00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:27.559
<v Speaker 6>but you know, you got on the Kirk clubane subjects.

1019
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:28.719
<v Speaker 2>Sure, whatever you want.

1020
00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:30.960
<v Speaker 6>You know, there are some interesting things behind his death

1021
00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:34.199
<v Speaker 6>and least interesting connections with Courtney Love.

1022
00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:35.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you ever looked at any of that.

1023
00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:40.440
<v Speaker 6>I you know, like her dad's history, you know, being

1024
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:42.239
<v Speaker 6>a former manager for the Grateful Dead.

1025
00:56:42.400 --> 00:56:43.719
<v Speaker 1>Okay, she was, I forget.

1026
00:56:43.719 --> 00:56:44.960
<v Speaker 2>There's a natural term for it.

1027
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:47.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you you missed, girls, I would go around and

1028
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:50.639
<v Speaker 1>pass LSD. Yeah, I'm sorry, Sorry, dude, you missed the

1029
00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:53.000
<v Speaker 1>part of the show here. Where I said, I interviewed

1030
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Hank Harrison on this show right before he died her dad.

1031
00:56:57.119 --> 00:57:00.960
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I even put it out there because there

1032
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:03.960
<v Speaker 1>were three requests in one day, so I put it

1033
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:08.280
<v Speaker 1>out there. Hey, you know this, this is the last

1034
00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:10.679
<v Speaker 1>thing I did, like four years ago. I talked to

1035
00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:14.920
<v Speaker 1>him right before he died, Hank Harrison about Courtney Love

1036
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:17.400
<v Speaker 1>and it was a one hour I did. The first

1037
00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:21.599
<v Speaker 1>hour a blind Joe and second hour I did with

1038
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:24.239
<v Speaker 1>with Hank Harrison. I talked to him, you know, about

1039
00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:28.559
<v Speaker 1>Courtney about his book and I forget what it was

1040
00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:31.119
<v Speaker 1>called the book off the top of my head. It's embarrassing,

1041
00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:33.400
<v Speaker 1>but it was something like, you know, Loved to Death

1042
00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:36.719
<v Speaker 1>or something he called it. And it seems like her

1043
00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:40.119
<v Speaker 1>own father kind of implicates that she's probably responsible for

1044
00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:43.280
<v Speaker 1>Kurt's death. And we went over that on the show

1045
00:57:43.320 --> 00:57:45.679
<v Speaker 1>as best I could. But he was a wild interview

1046
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:49.119
<v Speaker 1>subject being that you're right, he had been the tour

1047
00:57:49.159 --> 00:57:51.719
<v Speaker 1>manager for the Grateful Dead, involved in all kinds of

1048
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:57.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, madness. Let's say, yeah, I mean, wild dude,

1049
00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:01.039
<v Speaker 1>Hank Harrison. And then, like I said, I was returning calls,

1050
00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:03.719
<v Speaker 1>we were having private calls. And then I went to

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00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:06.239
<v Speaker 1>return a call one day after I waited like a

1052
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:09.719
<v Speaker 1>week to call him back, and yeah, I got his

1053
00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:12.039
<v Speaker 1>wife and she goes, I'm sorry. I know, Hank really

1054
00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:14.559
<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk to you some more. And the last

1055
00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:16.599
<v Speaker 1>message he left me was like, I really need to

1056
00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:18.320
<v Speaker 1>speak with you and I need to get this out

1057
00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:20.760
<v Speaker 1>to the world and blah blah blah blah. And apparently

1058
00:58:20.800 --> 00:58:22.440
<v Speaker 1>he made those kind of statements a lot, so I

1059
00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:25.599
<v Speaker 1>don't feel too special, but he really wanted to come

1060
00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:28.239
<v Speaker 1>back on the show. I'm calling him back and yeah,

1061
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:32.440
<v Speaker 1>sorry to tell you, but Hank passed away. And you know,

1062
00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:35.079
<v Speaker 1>if you want, you can attend the you know, the

1063
00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:38.480
<v Speaker 1>a service that we're having for him, the celebration of life.

1064
00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:42.000
<v Speaker 1>We're going to have people attended virtually, so we'll put

1065
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:45.519
<v Speaker 1>you on the list for people, you know, So I did.

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00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:49.079
<v Speaker 1>I actually went and sat and listened to Hank's celebration

1067
00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:52.280
<v Speaker 1>of life, Hank Harrison's. So I'm just saying in general,

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00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:55.400
<v Speaker 1>that was my last connection to the story. I've gone

1069
00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:57.519
<v Speaker 1>into it and I did other stuff on it too,

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00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:01.679
<v Speaker 1>but that one's still up on my I preserved it

1071
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:05.639
<v Speaker 1>on the speaker R S. S. Speed, So it's there

1072
00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:07.840
<v Speaker 1>and I even tweeted it recently the link.

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00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:12.079
<v Speaker 2>So well, there's also some interest.

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00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:15.079
<v Speaker 6>Well, I mean it's all I'd have to refresh my

1075
00:59:15.159 --> 00:59:16.840
<v Speaker 6>memory on it a little bit, but there was some

1076
00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:22.039
<v Speaker 6>you know, before Coben's death, him and Dave Grohl, they were.

1077
00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:25.280
<v Speaker 2>Experiencing some some riffs.

1078
00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:30.079
<v Speaker 6>Uh, but you know they were on bad terms by

1079
00:59:30.119 --> 00:59:33.920
<v Speaker 6>the time that cro Cobain was I would call it murdered,

1080
00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:37.239
<v Speaker 6>but that's just me. You know, most people are killing

1081
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:38.360
<v Speaker 6>themselves with a shotgun.

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00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:42.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I got you. And I have a mutual acquaintance.

1083
00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:44.760
<v Speaker 1>But just just for the record here real quick, be

1084
00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:47.119
<v Speaker 1>people before you go. I'm into it. I have a

1085
00:59:47.199 --> 00:59:51.280
<v Speaker 1>mutual acquaintance with Dave Groll and I actually reached out,

1086
00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:54.800
<v Speaker 1>tried to go around his management and and his reps

1087
00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:57.519
<v Speaker 1>and everything else, and tried to go through that mutual friend,

1088
00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:01.599
<v Speaker 1>let's say. Uh, And I got back an answer which was,

1089
01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:05.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, no, thank you, not right now. Uh. That's

1090
01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:09.320
<v Speaker 1>what Dave Grohl said, you know, in a short text

1091
01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:13.679
<v Speaker 1>to this mutual acquaintance that we have. But I I saw,

1092
01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:15.199
<v Speaker 1>I don't know where else to go with it. I

1093
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:18.199
<v Speaker 1>tried to get Dave Roll himself talk about it, and

1094
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:20.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't expect him to because I don't think. I

1095
01:00:20.239 --> 01:00:23.400
<v Speaker 1>think he's been asked a lot and nobody has gotten

1096
01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:26.039
<v Speaker 1>good answers out of him. Like on the record. Let's say,

1097
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:29.039
<v Speaker 1>but girl, what.

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01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:30.079
<v Speaker 6>His dad was?

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01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:33.679
<v Speaker 2>What I think it was? What's former Senator Jonathan right?

1100
01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:35.360
<v Speaker 2>If I'm not mistaken?

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01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:40.239
<v Speaker 6>Uh oh no, the speech writer for our former center.

1102
01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah sator right.

1103
01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:43.440
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say he's involved in.

1104
01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:48.679
<v Speaker 2>Political advisor, speechwriter. I mean he's got some ties.

1105
01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:54.360
<v Speaker 6>All these all these people tend to have for whatever reason.

1106
01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:58.000
<v Speaker 6>You know, a lot of these musicians, a lot of

1107
01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:00.719
<v Speaker 6>them seem to have the govern ment ties.

1108
01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:04.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, their parents worked in government or military.

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01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:06.679
<v Speaker 1>And there you go, shout out to Dave, shout out

1110
01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:11.159
<v Speaker 1>to Dave McGowan, right, strange scenes inside the Canyon and such.

1111
01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:14.079
<v Speaker 1>You know, Dave an interesting guy who wrote about it.

1112
01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:16.679
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Jim Morrison's dad was what an admiral in

1113
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:19.719
<v Speaker 1>the Navy, like a high up guy in Navy intelligence.

1114
01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:24.239
<v Speaker 1>I think Jim Morrison's dad, right. You know, you go

1115
01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:27.719
<v Speaker 1>throughout me throughout like modern rock history, and find that

1116
01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:30.519
<v Speaker 1>a lot of these guys who were like icons have

1117
01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:34.920
<v Speaker 1>connection to guess what, the military, The military industrial complex

1118
01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:39.199
<v Speaker 1>and the military industrial intelligence complex, which you know is

1119
01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:44.679
<v Speaker 1>something to be explored for sure. But outside of that, yeah, girl,

1120
01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:47.519
<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, like he has family that's connected

1121
01:01:47.559 --> 01:01:51.000
<v Speaker 1>to like, you know, different political people, like kind of

1122
01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:53.960
<v Speaker 1>close to some important people. But I don't think girl

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01:01:54.079 --> 01:01:56.800
<v Speaker 1>was directly related to an important person as far as

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01:01:56.840 --> 01:02:05.920
<v Speaker 1>I know. But maybe there's something I don't know. M Okay, uh,

1125
01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:07.840
<v Speaker 1>maybe you're not with us. Did we lose?

1126
01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:09.360
<v Speaker 2>You might have lost?

1127
01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:09.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm still here.

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01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:11.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, I'm still here.

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01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:14.239
<v Speaker 1>So you were trying to say something to Bpete, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead.

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01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:21.519
<v Speaker 2>Just on the when they made a comment that grol

1132
01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:25.760
<v Speaker 2>And and Cobain were having issues, it's I think one

1133
01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:28.000
<v Speaker 2>of the things in this last video that I saw

1134
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:31.679
<v Speaker 2>said that at the time that Cobaine was looking to

1135
01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:34.119
<v Speaker 2>just walk away from the band and do his own thing,

1136
01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:37.000
<v Speaker 2>and he had, you know, had been talking with some

1137
01:02:37.039 --> 01:02:40.039
<v Speaker 2>other people about some collaboration and stuff like that. Yeah,

1138
01:02:40.719 --> 01:02:42.719
<v Speaker 2>I look, that was an issue, but that was something

1139
01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:45.039
<v Speaker 2>that was brought out, is that it was possibly due

1140
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:48.760
<v Speaker 2>to uh, Cocaine wanted to pull away from it, spend

1141
01:02:48.800 --> 01:02:51.079
<v Speaker 2>more time at home instead of touring and all that.

1142
01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, and look that's a girl.

1143
01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:56.519
<v Speaker 2>Was us making some frivolous purchases too, yeah, and there's

1144
01:02:56.559 --> 01:02:58.440
<v Speaker 2>records of that. I mean who was pulling out?

1145
01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:00.840
<v Speaker 6>You know they besically had like aider, like a company

1146
01:03:00.840 --> 01:03:03.800
<v Speaker 6>credit card, and he was making for his purposes. Well, right,

1147
01:03:04.119 --> 01:03:06.039
<v Speaker 6>I think, if I'm not mistaken, he bought himself like

1148
01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:09.320
<v Speaker 6>a Porscha y yeah, Porsche, however you want to pronounce it.

1149
01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:13.000
<v Speaker 6>You know what, you know, shortly before Covin's death, I

1150
01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:14.079
<v Speaker 6>mean he was just running the.

1151
01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:18.039
<v Speaker 2>Running them into, running them way into death.

1152
01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he might have been doing that because the

1153
01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:22.800
<v Speaker 1>party was going to be over soon, because you know,

1154
01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:26.159
<v Speaker 1>and here we go with the typical drama, uh again

1155
01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:29.639
<v Speaker 1>among these rock bands, right, you know this guy's getting

1156
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:31.880
<v Speaker 1>ready to leave, he wants to go solo. I mean

1157
01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:35.119
<v Speaker 1>we've been hearing that, you know what since the fifties,

1158
01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:39.320
<v Speaker 1>when you know, the little Richard is letting go of

1159
01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:41.840
<v Speaker 1>a guitarist that's in the background of his band named

1160
01:03:41.880 --> 01:03:46.639
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Hendrix, Right, I mean, there there's there's always been

1161
01:03:46.679 --> 01:03:49.960
<v Speaker 1>this kind of thing John and Yoko obviously, except you know,

1162
01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:52.480
<v Speaker 1>you got Psycho Yogo over there when it comes to

1163
01:03:52.519 --> 01:03:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Courtney Love and you know, instead of peace and love

1164
01:03:55.519 --> 01:03:59.599
<v Speaker 1>and pot you know, we're looking at dope violence and uh,

1165
01:04:00.039 --> 01:04:03.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, psychotic episodes and that stuff is you know,

1166
01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:04.000
<v Speaker 1>on the record.

1167
01:04:04.639 --> 01:04:07.079
<v Speaker 2>I gotta give I gotta give some credit to Courtney

1168
01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:10.119
<v Speaker 2>Loves saying a lot better than Yoko Odo.

1169
01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:13.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh well, hell yeah. But you know there's an upgrade

1170
01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:16.960
<v Speaker 1>there in in But then again, I mean, you know,

1171
01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:20.039
<v Speaker 1>you look at Courtney Love on on MTV and I

1172
01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:23.159
<v Speaker 1>mean you can smell her. But anyways, uh, you know,

1173
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:28.519
<v Speaker 1>smell a vision, rough, rough situation. And I swear to God,

1174
01:04:28.599 --> 01:04:31.880
<v Speaker 1>the first you know, couple of releases from the band

1175
01:04:32.000 --> 01:04:36.719
<v Speaker 1>hole of all things, you know, sound vague, I mean,

1176
01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:40.360
<v Speaker 1>eerily similar to stuff that maybe Kurt Cobain would have written.

1177
01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:43.079
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. Uh, if you can tell

1178
01:04:43.119 --> 01:04:45.440
<v Speaker 1>me that celebrity skin Yeah good.

1179
01:04:46.159 --> 01:04:49.719
<v Speaker 2>A quick note on what you just said. MTV just

1180
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:52.599
<v Speaker 2>announced that they're shutting down after forty years.

1181
01:04:52.679 --> 01:04:55.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's where I was gonna. I was coming about

1182
01:04:55.039 --> 01:04:56.159
<v Speaker 1>to transfer.

1183
01:04:55.920 --> 01:05:02.079
<v Speaker 2>TV and how influential they were on getting music out there.

1184
01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:06.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean basically Nirvana and what they did video buys,

1185
01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:10.000
<v Speaker 2>and the fact that MTV was just running them. They

1186
01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:12.719
<v Speaker 2>say killed glam rock. He just wiped it off the

1187
01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:13.360
<v Speaker 2>face of the earth.

1188
01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:16.159
<v Speaker 1>Of course it did. It killed the hard rock and

1189
01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:18.280
<v Speaker 1>heavy metal at the time, the glam stuff, of course

1190
01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:20.480
<v Speaker 1>it didn't. But the thing is, you know, MTV has

1191
01:05:20.519 --> 01:05:22.719
<v Speaker 1>been dead a long time. It's been a zombie because

1192
01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:24.960
<v Speaker 1>MTV has nothing to do with music anymore, and it

1193
01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:27.360
<v Speaker 1>hasn't for a long time. Grandma, what's the last time