Speaker 1: All right, So here's pre show set up, trying to
Speaker 1: get this rolling with my bad voice and B Pete
Speaker 1: you got connection or no?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: B Pete was there, Let's see if he's still on Myay,
Speaker 1: he's still there, present on my connection, and now he
Speaker 1: went away. So I am setting up the live call
Speaker 1: in show. We have numbers ready to roll, just so
Speaker 1: you know, in case you're catching us on the live stream,
Speaker 1: and even if you're not quite honestly, I've got to
Speaker 1: I'll just preserve this. Take a little sip water too.
Speaker 1: I'll just preserve this as part of the recording because
Speaker 1: now I'm just running out the recording and B Pete's
Speaker 1: still broken up on his connection for some reason. Up
Speaker 1: there we go. I just heard a sentence half a sentence,
Speaker 1: can you hear me? Now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to leave and come back in. I
Speaker 2: was just getting little blips and verbs. I couldn't understand
Speaker 2: a single thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how you were coming through also, So okay,
Speaker 1: now we have that straight. Hopefully you good to go?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm good, all right?
Speaker 1: You here how thrashed my voices though, so I don't
Speaker 1: know if he caught any of the stuff I did.
Speaker 1: Earlier in the week, I did guest appearances and tried
Speaker 1: to not even do my own show, which I didn't,
Speaker 1: but you know, just hung back and tried to do
Speaker 1: the promotional stuff I committed to. And funny thing is
Speaker 1: last week I did a whole like three hours with
Speaker 1: the guy Gardner. You know, you see him online. He's
Speaker 1: got a podcast and a co host. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: don't know if he released it yet. Did you see
Speaker 1: if he released the podcast with me yet? Yeah?
Speaker 2: He released something because I liked his post. Let me
Speaker 2: go back and look.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the funny twitter funny thing is I did
Speaker 1: three hours with the guy right, and he's got one
Speaker 1: of these you know, like fancy video recorder platform deals,
Speaker 1: and like we ended up with with nothing, no usable audio, nothing.
Speaker 1: And I did three hours where we're going back and
Speaker 1: forth over the films, everything for three hours.
Speaker 2: And I remember he said something last week about him
Speaker 2: losing his copy of it, and he said that you
Speaker 2: were going to try to back it up next time.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I did. I made a backup copy. But
Speaker 1: I'm giving him a chance to release, you know, obviously
Speaker 1: his podcast first and then uh maybe I'll put out
Speaker 1: the backup for you know, for listeners, so they get
Speaker 1: a good audio from my side, one, you know, one
Speaker 1: solid audio piece. Because I don't know what he's doing
Speaker 1: editing wise either, but he said he was gonna edit
Speaker 1: and whatever, and I don't know how it came out,
Speaker 1: even I imagine he uh, let me go see that
Speaker 1: he did. He put it out. He said he was gonna.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he did. I'm going to I got to
Speaker 2: go to my uh likes. It was earlier this afternoon.
Speaker 2: Remember when it came up. I was gonna, I'll just
Speaker 2: repost it so you'd see it.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'll just pull up I'll just pull up Twitter.
Speaker 1: Let's see. Horn deserves better than this. JFK. Choke holds. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: he's talking about choke holds and stuff. New episode here.
Speaker 1: It is a new episode of Ciphered Past titled Through
Speaker 1: the Looking Glass with guests Chuck O'Kelly. Will be released tonight.
Speaker 1: It doesn't yet, so he said it will be released.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, because I reposted it. And I think when
Speaker 2: I reposted it, I put it on. When the links
Speaker 2: up all did I quoted or reposted? I think I
Speaker 2: just reposted it. Well either way, I just reposted it.
Speaker 1: We're trying to share. This guy he's got it. It's
Speaker 1: called the uh it's the Ciphered Past, right, that's the
Speaker 1: name of his his podcasting. He does it with with
Speaker 1: the co host, whose name on Twitter is like a lioness,
Speaker 1: you know. And I spent like five hours of these
Speaker 1: people all together. So I don't know what they what
Speaker 1: they got, but the first three hours was lost and
Speaker 1: I had a bad throat so bad that like I
Speaker 1: had no voice at the beginning of the week at all.
Speaker 1: And so now anyway, we're doing all this and we're
Speaker 1: gonna get live, Okay, so let's do that because it's
Speaker 1: what already quarter after eight.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, about twelve afters all.
Speaker 1: Right, so let's do that. Yeah, screw it, we'll just
Speaker 1: get live. You know. But technology is fun because it's
Speaker 1: allowed us to do a lot of cool things, but
Speaker 1: it also when it gets messy, it's a freaking mess,
Speaker 1: you know. And but hopefully those guys, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I started talking to them. They're they're kind of new
Speaker 1: to me, but they seem really enthusiastic about the case
Speaker 1: and they're going to be at at Lancer. So anyway,
Speaker 1: let's uh, let me just put you down here. I
Speaker 1: got the phone lines ready, I got the broadcast ready.
Speaker 1: So you got a coffee, dude? Yeah, I'm good, excellent,
Speaker 1: So I have a nice sip of cold drink. At
Speaker 1: least I got that working for me today. Let me see,
Speaker 1: just make sure I got yeah, okay, hey, I got
Speaker 1: a couple of cigarettes. I got a cool drink, so
Speaker 1: you know what sounds like? I got my provisions, all right,
Speaker 1: let's do this.
Speaker 2: Ready, get ready for again?
Speaker 1: Ready, get ready for seventeenth day of October. Damn, the
Speaker 1: month is half over, twenty twenty five, allegedly according to
Speaker 1: that thing we call a calendar. And despite the weird
Speaker 1: and wonky sound of my voice, this is the Ocelli Effect,
Speaker 1: hosted by me Chuck Ocelly. But also since it is
Speaker 1: Friarsday or Friday night, I've got my co host, be
Speaker 1: Pete with me, and you can be too if you
Speaker 1: want to join in on this party over yeah, which
Speaker 1: is all audio and freely available. So three one nine
Speaker 1: five two seven five zero one six that's the number
Speaker 1: to call. I'm struggling to look over my stuff. Let
Speaker 1: me move a few things around because I had to
Speaker 1: reboot the computer on my way to uh broadcasting tonight.
Speaker 1: I rebooted everything, the computer, the router, so we should
Speaker 1: be all good to fly, and I know the phones
Speaker 1: are working. Three one nine five two seven. Holy crap,
Speaker 1: somebody's got allowed vehicle outside. Three one nine five two
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Speaker 1: while I've got a voice for this. Three one nine
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Speaker 1: on Ohelly dot com Radio and uh so here we
Speaker 1: are Friday BPTE. We survived another one. How was your week, sir?
Speaker 2: Oh, it wasn't bad. Actually, the last two days are
Speaker 2: the first days that it's been sunny to the point
Speaker 2: that you could get outside in the past two weeks,
Speaker 2: so I was ready. A friend of mine's got one
Speaker 2: of those.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Is it a UV lamp that's supposed to help you
Speaker 2: in the wintertime when it's so dark and gloomy. I
Speaker 2: don't know what kind of light it puts off. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I called him up, told him I was going to
Speaker 2: come get that thing, and shoved up my butt for
Speaker 2: about a day. I mean, I've had such a lack
Speaker 2: of sunshine here. It's been unbearable and cool. It is
Speaker 2: very I had to cut the heat on this morning
Speaker 2: and down to like forty degrees.
Speaker 1: Wow. I'm sorry, but you know, I have a very
Speaker 1: like I hear audio and I visualize, and I work
Speaker 1: with audio in my mind quite extensively. And you just
Speaker 1: talked about shoving a lamp up your butt. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but that's what you just did, and that just gave
Speaker 1: me a horrible, horrible visual and I want to thank
Speaker 1: you for that because that was terrible, you know, And
Speaker 1: there's a lot of light therapies. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: light therapies out there. I don't think anal insertion is
Speaker 1: necessary though, in the medical practice or pseudo medical practice.
Speaker 2: And it's been bad. It's been bad. I mean I
Speaker 2: was literally getting ready to go nuts, you know, twelve
Speaker 2: straight days of cloud and I'm not just thin clouds.
Speaker 2: I'm over cast, heavy deck rain off and on. So
Speaker 2: I have been enjoying it the past two days. But
Speaker 2: other than that, I've hit one of those late in
Speaker 2: life crisises and I'm debating what to do. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm at that point where do I go waste fifteen
Speaker 2: bucks on a haircut or do I just let it
Speaker 2: grow back out?
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm doing that too, because I don't
Speaker 1: know if I told you this, but I actually chopped
Speaker 1: off the ponytail. Did I let you know that already? Nah?
Speaker 1: I took care. I got the ponytail off because it
Speaker 1: was driving me nuts and I'm sitting here trying to
Speaker 1: contemplate how to attack like, you know, the whole light
Speaker 1: therapy issue with you and photo therapy they call it,
Speaker 1: I think now. It used to be the province of
Speaker 1: let's just say, the woo woo, airy fairy type people
Speaker 1: out there. You know, it was like, oh, you have
Speaker 1: to get the proper light man, because you get your
Speaker 1: vibrations going. You knew, very like hippie dippy kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And nowadays even the Mayo Clinic has looked at it
Speaker 1: and actually they realize, holy crap, you know, there might
Speaker 1: be something too. Seasonal effective disorder, which was also thought
Speaker 1: to be a cry baby thing, there might be a
Speaker 1: little something to it that. You know, the natural light
Speaker 1: from the sun provides a great deal more than just
Speaker 1: your ability not to bump into walls, right, It actually
Speaker 1: provides a lot of things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. That my friend has is that
Speaker 2: you know, disorder where they're seasonal, I don't know, whatever
Speaker 2: you call it.
Speaker 1: Yes, seasonal effective disorder. Right. So but these lamps, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you they were sort of like you know, for
Speaker 1: a while, people had different weird things in their houses,
Speaker 1: like a specific kind of windsh because the sound, the
Speaker 1: tone was literally meant to, you know, change the vibrational
Speaker 1: experience in your home, you know, so you had to
Speaker 1: hie you know, you had to hang it at the entrance,
Speaker 1: and then you had to hang another one strategically elsewhere
Speaker 1: in order so that those who would you know, come
Speaker 1: into your uh you know, vibrational space wouldn't disturb you know,
Speaker 1: your good zen, your good juju if you will. And
Speaker 1: like I said, a lot of people thought that was
Speaker 1: hippie dippy nonsense a long time, of course, you know, sadly,
Speaker 1: although there's a lot of cry babies and people that
Speaker 1: are stupid and don't understand things, I will tell you
Speaker 1: that I never saw it as just nonsense, because you know,
Speaker 1: my own spiritual practices tell me that indeed, you know,
Speaker 1: things that are tonal, things that you know, they're just
Speaker 1: quite a bit more mysticism and science to be offered
Speaker 1: than a lot of people are willing to accept, you know.
Speaker 1: So indeed, the colors of the walls, even in institutional
Speaker 1: concepts about you know, you make colors of a prison
Speaker 1: a certain color because that will be less likely to encourage, say,
Speaker 1: violent modes of thinking, violent attitudes and moods. Even you know,
Speaker 1: they paint the walls of mental facilities specific colors, and
Speaker 1: they specifically decorate because people exposed to certain colors, which
Speaker 1: has to do you know something again with the reception
Speaker 1: of light. Indeed, there's more than just a you know,
Speaker 1: pseudo crazy psychological, psychoactive thing to it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And a lot of people fail to recognize this.
Speaker 1: There's two things there, but very.
Speaker 2: More institutional green, you know that you used to see
Speaker 2: in schools all the time when I was in grade school.
Speaker 2: I always thought they'd pick green because it just for
Speaker 2: some reason they like green and it went well with
Speaker 2: the stuff they sprinkle on the floor when some kid
Speaker 2: got sick before they'd sweep it up.
Speaker 1: Maybe.
Speaker 2: But in this art class, I think it was fifth grade,
Speaker 2: you know, the art teacher starts going into instituttioneal uses
Speaker 2: of color and why right, And I found that to
Speaker 2: be amazing. But you know, light therapy, speaking of that,
Speaker 2: years ago, they had the commercials where you could buy
Speaker 2: the cap that had the infrared lights in it if
Speaker 2: you were losing your hair, and you put this cap
Speaker 2: on five minutes, ten minutes, you know, a day for
Speaker 2: so many weeks. Well, it actually works. I've read some
Speaker 2: of the studies on this, and they've come out with
Speaker 2: a lot of infrared therapy like that for skin tone
Speaker 2: and facial muscle, texture and clarity of your skin and
Speaker 2: things like that. They have found that infrared will also
Speaker 2: benefit people you know that I guess wanting to look
Speaker 2: as youthful as they can as late in life. But
Speaker 2: I mean, it won't get rid of ninety five year
Speaker 2: old wrinkles, but it helps no.
Speaker 1: And look, there is no matter what you do, no
Speaker 1: cure for ugly you know, surgical or otherwise. But the
Speaker 1: thing is, long ago did you start listening to my show?
Speaker 1: I want to know, because I know there was a
Speaker 1: certain point that you kind of joined into what it
Speaker 1: is I've been doing now since you know, twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: When did you actually start listening?
Speaker 2: Thing? It was like September of twenty nineteen, so it's
Speaker 2: been six years.
Speaker 1: Okay, well you missed.
Speaker 2: That's when I joined That's when I joined you on
Speaker 2: the show. I've had been listening for like a year
Speaker 2: before that.
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's just say total. You know, you've been
Speaker 1: involved with, aware of and actually listening to the show
Speaker 1: for like seven years, right, something like that.
Speaker 2: Plus I'm honest.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we're getting close to thirteen years. We're closer
Speaker 1: to thirteen than we are to twelve, but let's just
Speaker 1: call it twelve. So I'm just telling you there was
Speaker 1: five years of stuff where I did explorations on here
Speaker 1: that weren't you know, all conspiracy and JFK. I did
Speaker 1: explorations about, you know, the science that's being ignored, you know,
Speaker 1: the truth of things regarding the symbols you see around you,
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I did years worth of you know,
Speaker 1: discussions with people that studied it, people that you know,
Speaker 1: showed me new things, you know, people that wrote books
Speaker 1: on it, did documentaries, et cetera. And it's funny because
Speaker 1: I sort of, you know, gotten away from all that
Speaker 1: because nobody wants to hear it anymore. But there is
Speaker 1: a whole world of as per usual, right, you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's snake oil salesmen, and then there's people that
Speaker 1: do sell you snakes and do sell you oil because
Speaker 1: it's real, you know what I mean. But I mean
Speaker 1: there are people out there that will swear up and
Speaker 1: down that they can cure cancer, and I think they're
Speaker 1: a little bit dangerous, you know. And it was hard
Speaker 1: sifting through all that because look, I don't know everything
Speaker 1: about everything, and I remember going through long things about
Speaker 1: you know, exposures to colors and like with Jeffrey Matt
Speaker 1: and is color coding. It was a little vague to me.
Speaker 1: But earlier on, I mean I talked about scientific stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, triggers in the brain where you can see
Speaker 1: chemical reactions you know that occur, but we actually get
Speaker 1: to study the chemical reactions because studying a live brain
Speaker 1: is a little bit too difficult for our current technology. Right.
Speaker 1: But the things that you can measure and even taking
Speaker 1: a look at say, what do you call those things?
Speaker 1: You know with the big giant magnets, you know they're
Speaker 1: they're electric. They're basically magnetic measurements, right, they create magnetic
Speaker 1: imaging MRIs exactly, magnetic radio. Okay, there you go. The
Speaker 1: imaging from MRIs right. If you do it on somebody
Speaker 1: in real time while they're being exposed to stimulus, you
Speaker 1: can see the brain doing things. Now as for whether
Speaker 1: they've decoded exactly what all of it does, not necessarily,
Speaker 1: but I mean it's strange to see people go, oh,
Speaker 1: come on, you know, that's like kooky science stuff. And
Speaker 1: you know, this is like what people talk about when
Speaker 1: they smoke too much weed, you know, And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but sometimes some people, not everybody. Most people just think
Speaker 1: they're brilliant when they smoke weed, but you know they're not,
Speaker 1: but they believe they are. You know, just like a
Speaker 1: lot of guitar players I've known, they were like, oh,
Speaker 1: I play so much better when I've smoked up. And
Speaker 1: really those guys are a lot more rare than most
Speaker 1: of those guys want to believe, but they believe that
Speaker 1: they're doing something great, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Who was it I read something just the other day.
Speaker 2: I can't remember who it was. One of these bands
Speaker 2: the guy was talking about who did so much, so
Speaker 2: much drugs for years while he was in the band
Speaker 2: that when he finally got sober, he had to reteach
Speaker 2: himself how to play his instrument.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, because and look, there's something useful there, you know,
Speaker 1: in literally creating a whole other skill set and ability
Speaker 1: to utilize an ability to operate in an altered state
Speaker 1: of mind. You know, there's something to be said about that.
Speaker 1: I mean, even I did the exploration. I don't know
Speaker 1: how you feel about the psilocybin exploration I did, but
Speaker 1: you know, I tried to be as responsible about it
Speaker 1: as possible but also revealed at people that there is
Speaker 1: indeed a useful you know, purpose that can be gotten
Speaker 1: from things that people have just treated as you know,
Speaker 1: an illicit drug for many, many years. It doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that I'm all about drug culture. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: use drugs that often, you know, I don't say that
Speaker 1: I don't at all. But when I do, generally it's
Speaker 1: for a practical purpose. And even when I talked about
Speaker 1: cannabis on this show and people got on me for
Speaker 1: being a cannabis advocate, which is almost like seems like
Speaker 1: it's from a different century now, right Most people are like, ah,
Speaker 1: so what, But there was a time when that was
Speaker 1: a big deal. And I go on here as an
Speaker 1: advocate for it, but I don't even utilize it that
Speaker 1: often cannabis. You know, it was something that I was utilizing, say,
Speaker 1: you know, for little bits of help to cope with
Speaker 1: like PTSD or to get some sleep. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: at a time when I had a running mind. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And to me, it was a
Speaker 1: lot healthier. Yeah, go ahead, I was.
Speaker 2: Going to say, you know, you you normally don't hear
Speaker 2: about the cannabis issue until a state is getting ready
Speaker 2: to vote on whether they're going to legalize it or not.
Speaker 2: You know, that's when you see the studies come out, Oh, well,
Speaker 2: you know, we found this. But I have read a
Speaker 2: couple of studies where they've used elucinogenics for uh PTSD
Speaker 2: in veterans treatments for that. And then there's the whole
Speaker 2: ketamine situation. What was it? Who was the guy on
Speaker 2: Friends played Chandler? He was Yeah. They in fact, they
Speaker 2: a couple of those they that went through prosecution for
Speaker 2: getting him his drugs. And I think a doctor played
Speaker 2: guilty or or as some kind of plea agreement for
Speaker 2: writing prescriptions in that. But I didn't realize that kennemy
Speaker 2: was used like it is for some treatments.
Speaker 1: Well, even the Pentagon now has actually put us side. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know with the current you know craziness and
Speaker 1: the budget and all the wrangling and you know what's
Speaker 1: being canceled and dozed and everything else. But you know,
Speaker 1: previous to DOGE and previous to the second Trump administration,
Speaker 1: including the first Trump administration, there were plenty of people
Speaker 1: that were you know, really expanding uh you know, uh,
Speaker 1: the the scientific research into guess what, using d MT
Speaker 1: using uh, you know, cannabis using uh, you know, psilocybin
Speaker 1: directly in controlled clinical circumstances, obviously, but they were experimenting
Speaker 1: and literally had a couple of like, you know, programs
Speaker 1: exploring this as a way of h yeah, indeed helping PTSD.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, problems with troops directly with people that
Speaker 1: you know. And I think that's highly important, you know why.
Speaker 1: That's a personal issue to me. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: I think it can be effective. But as per usual, okay,
Speaker 1: we always need to exercise the caution that there is
Speaker 1: no such thing as a one size fits all or
Speaker 1: a single use for a single thing for everyone. Everyone
Speaker 1: is indeed medically different. We have similarities, but there are differences.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I talk to you about it,
Speaker 1: but especially because of your sort of fascination with certain
Speaker 1: elements of Asian culture, there are literal physiological differences between
Speaker 1: people who are you know, ostensibly kind of Asian in
Speaker 1: origin and people in other parts of the world when
Speaker 1: it comes to things like, you know, actually medical circumstances
Speaker 1: like for you know, putting people to sleep during surgeries
Speaker 1: and things like that, anesthe and uh and and things
Speaker 1: related to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the redheaded thing, uh and anesthesia, I remember one night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's the thing is that. But these are
Speaker 1: you know, scientific realities that you know, there's a good
Speaker 1: reason why a lot of the drug like there are
Speaker 1: drugs that are banned outright, absolutely banned. We talked about
Speaker 1: it because of the somebody brought some of their uh
Speaker 1: uh you know psych meds to Korea, right, and there
Speaker 1: was a big, big problem because it's absolutely like a
Speaker 1: completely banned do not bring it, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was Adderall. Adderall, a member of
Speaker 2: uh to Anyone, was over here in the States, and
Speaker 2: she got into a K pop group and couldn't get
Speaker 2: back to her doctor in the States, so they redid
Speaker 2: her prescription and sent it over and Adderall is totally
Speaker 2: illegal in South Korea. Yeah, and they went so far
Speaker 2: as to let the package through and then they went
Speaker 2: it was like two days later they went to where
Speaker 2: the package was delivered and the grandmother had given it
Speaker 2: to her daughter, who gave it to her daughter. And
Speaker 2: you know, I mean there was a big stink all
Speaker 2: over it over just something as simple as adderall. Of
Speaker 2: what kids are taking adderall like Eminem's in this country.
Speaker 1: Well right, but here's the thing. There is a serious
Speaker 1: and real, very real danger to Asian people when it
Speaker 1: comes to stuff like adderall. And it's a you know,
Speaker 1: it's not like again, there's no such thing as an
Speaker 1: absolute or one size fits all.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they banned it because it contains myth assaults.
Speaker 2: Not sure myth, but that was the it's on their
Speaker 2: big list. Okay, that and there was another drug that
Speaker 2: surprised me that's not legal over there as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah. See, now that is the public facing story of it.
Speaker 1: But the reality is, and an anesthesiologist who work here
Speaker 1: in America will tell you this, if you know, if
Speaker 1: you can get them to reveal their secrets, but they
Speaker 1: have to make certain calculations when they do things based
Speaker 1: on race, because there are certain races of people that
Speaker 1: are just very susceptible to certain things. There there are
Speaker 1: certain groupings that where just the stuff doesn't work for
Speaker 1: certain people, you know, et cetera, et cetera. Like I
Speaker 1: personally am a weird case when it comes to anesthesiologists,
Speaker 1: but Asians in general and Koreans especially, it can be
Speaker 1: lethal some of the components that are in some of
Speaker 1: these you know, psychotropics like lethality. There's stuff that we're
Speaker 1: given out of, like just just like candy year, you
Speaker 1: can have a lethal situation in Korea. Sorry, Well, speaking
Speaker 1: of what.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I've just read something today that
Speaker 2: are f k JR. They put out some study that
Speaker 2: says that COVID nineteen was designed to be more addicted
Speaker 2: well more, I can't think of the word. It's more
Speaker 2: contagious for white people and what was the other ones, oh,
Speaker 2: black Americans or blacks and whites, and that Jews and
Speaker 2: Chinese are not affected in the same way. They don't
Speaker 2: have the lethality in people with those genes as white
Speaker 2: people and black people. Okay, so now how did they
Speaker 2: fall across that?
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing I already find what you're sourcing
Speaker 1: this from to be highly suspect, and I'll tell you why.
Speaker 1: And here's the reality again people don't want to face.
Speaker 1: But Jewish people in general is not an ethnicity. There
Speaker 1: are ethnic groups that you could scribe that have you know,
Speaker 1: serious populations that are Jews. But to literally, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of go with the there's something wrong already in
Speaker 1: the study, in the in the in the data set,
Speaker 1: I promise you, because again it's like saying Catholics, okay, uh, Catholics,
Speaker 1: you know, get I don't know the flu More often
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous unless you can find a causation that has
Speaker 1: to do with directly some sort of Catholic ritual. And
Speaker 1: even then you've got a problem because people that are
Speaker 1: categorized as Catholic aren't necessarily active in all the rituals.
Speaker 1: So you know, this idea, there's a confusion there. There
Speaker 1: is you know, baseline things that are in genetics, and
Speaker 1: then there's what we decide to do with ourselves. And
Speaker 1: Jewish is just simply you know, there are again clusters
Speaker 1: of similar you know, genetic makeups there among Jewish people.
Speaker 1: But to like kind of go, oh well, Jews, this
Speaker 1: or that mediately my my red flags go up behind
Speaker 1: my back.
Speaker 2: You know, uh, well, they're talking about ethnic Jews, not
Speaker 2: religious Jews. But I'm trying to find the story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but see on X. Okay, but right there, but
Speaker 1: right there, be pete, what is an ethnic Jew? There's
Speaker 1: a problem because there's groups here, right.
Speaker 2: You got your large DNA traces all the way back
Speaker 2: to the DNA that they've attributed to the Semitic tribes
Speaker 2: out of the Middle East.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but see that's all over the place. I mean,
Speaker 1: are you telling me that the Sephardic and the darker
Speaker 1: you know people what, they're not Jews? So we got
Speaker 1: to get specific here. You're talking about Middle Eastern people
Speaker 1: that happen to cluster among Jews. But there's no like
Speaker 1: Jewish set of genetics, is what I'm saying. If you
Speaker 1: go back and you want to trace it with the
Speaker 1: tribes and all that has been spread out, I mean,
Speaker 1: you got to admit there's plenty of people that probably
Speaker 1: stem off of the Jewish to like say family tree
Speaker 1: in that case, that don't land anywhere, you know, continuous
Speaker 1: in the cycle there, that have some of these genetics
Speaker 1: that are running around that don't even know that. You know,
Speaker 1: nineteen generations ago they were connected to the tribe, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, But now they're so far removed.
Speaker 1: When you've got a time period like that, I mean,
Speaker 1: here we go, right, there's genetics that are not going
Speaker 1: to cluster back up and you're not going to be
Speaker 1: able to collect there that are shared.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you agree with that?
Speaker 2: Or no, yeah, I'd agree with it.
Speaker 1: So you know, so at some point there's some arbitrary
Speaker 1: decisions being made here where it's not you know, simply
Speaker 1: based on this thing which you're very close to, say,
Speaker 1: a geographical shared culture, and you know, very very few families. See,
Speaker 1: I've had to go through this a bit. To go
Speaker 1: back to again, I'm I know this is going to
Speaker 1: sound crazy, you know, and I keep bringing it up
Speaker 1: because I'm working.
Speaker 2: On it all the time.
Speaker 1: But this idea about the secret societies in the Mediterranean,
Speaker 1: like literally I can tell you that some of what
Speaker 1: they call the mafia the mob are linked to secret
Speaker 1: societies that existed before the Roman Empire had to deal
Speaker 1: with with Christ you know, as an issue on the calendar,
Speaker 1: whether you believe it was here or not. If we
Speaker 1: go back to that time period, okay, and literally relate it.
Speaker 1: You got you know, the mafia secret society organization more
Speaker 1: than one by the way, that are you know, in existence,
Speaker 1: let's say, at that time, and already basically creating what
Speaker 1: would later become the framework for one of what I
Speaker 1: call the Italian or the Mediterranean octopus, which is literally
Speaker 1: eight mafias. Okay, And I gotta I gotta try and
Speaker 1: show people this, and they're they're not going to understand
Speaker 1: some of it and probably going to sit there and
Speaker 1: disbelieve even though it's backed by very you know, you
Speaker 1: can go do the study yourself and find what I found.
Speaker 1: And then there's stuff that they can't find, which I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to discuss too, but that'll be part of
Speaker 1: the hidden history, if you will. But anyway, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: but I don't know what you think of all that.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying that when we go back to
Speaker 1: study genealogy, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I don't really put any faith in it. I mean,
Speaker 2: that was a claim that was you know, was made
Speaker 2: back during right before the election, I think, and supposedly
Speaker 2: they've done some more research into it or something, but.
Speaker 1: Well, this is happening COVID.
Speaker 2: Is if that was the case, why didn COVID, you know,
Speaker 2: hit so hard in China.
Speaker 1: Okay, I want about this.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of deaths in China from COVID.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I've already given you part of the way
Speaker 1: to discount this nonsense, because I'm going to tell you
Speaker 1: what it really comes from is that there is a
Speaker 1: need and people will latch onto it to go into
Speaker 1: the eugenics arguments. It's always there, and it is a
Speaker 1: recurring theme. B Pete. I know that this like sucks
Speaker 1: on some level for some people because they wind up
Speaker 1: figuring out that they're sort of tied in some of
Speaker 1: their beliefs to the eugenics concepts. But eugenics is a
Speaker 1: very real, recurring, constantly moving thing, you know, intellectually in
Speaker 1: our society. And what it boils down to is they
Speaker 1: want to basically say, look, if you were born with
Speaker 1: certain characteristics, you're a certain color, you're a certain race,
Speaker 1: you're a certain you know, you came from a certain
Speaker 1: part of the world, you're part of this group or
Speaker 1: that group. They want to say that basically, your destiny
Speaker 1: is already predetermined. You know, you're already going to be this.
Speaker 1: You're already this. You're already that by virtue of just
Speaker 1: the fact that you happen to inherit, you know, a
Speaker 1: particular set of genetic codes.
Speaker 2: And oh no, look at women they go and have
Speaker 2: you know, breast removal surgery simply because they have a
Speaker 2: certain gene which they say raises your chances of having
Speaker 2: breast cancer later on in life. All right, but this
Speaker 2: is a war all kinds of thing.
Speaker 1: This is an unfair warping of things that causes people
Speaker 1: to basically, you know, volunteer to be part of a
Speaker 1: cast system. I mean, think about this. The people that
Speaker 1: have in their brains that you know, white people, okay,
Speaker 1: are evil. White people are evil because they're you know,
Speaker 1: the enslavers and all that. Okay, you and I both
Speaker 1: have arguments with those people. But here's the weird thing
Speaker 1: about it. They're embracing the very same thing where it's like, well,
Speaker 1: you came from white people, so therefore you are. They're
Speaker 1: embracing the very same root concepts that led like the
Speaker 1: you know, the Nation of Islam people right to you know,
Speaker 1: the NI people to turn around and say, well, white
Speaker 1: people are actually not human. They were manufactured by a
Speaker 1: man scientist named Yakoub, you know, in the side of
Speaker 1: a mountain, and he was a big headed human that
Speaker 1: was a mad scientist, and he created the devil, and
Speaker 1: the devil is the white people with the blue eyes. Okay,
Speaker 1: those same people end up dealing with the very same
Speaker 1: roots of well, you know, since they're black, that means
Speaker 1: that they were born to be criminals, you know, since
Speaker 1: they were whatever, picked something else, since they were Jewish,
Speaker 1: they're good with numbers and money, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's the same thinking that they latched themselves onto. And
Speaker 1: it's literally some of the same concepts. So the people,
Speaker 1: no matter which side you want to stand on that
Speaker 1: you say, okay, these people are racist no matter where.
Speaker 1: If you look at the racist concept and the so
Speaker 1: called science with it, it all winds up tying right
Speaker 1: back to the same damn thing, which is the eugenics argument.
Speaker 1: If you are this thing, then therefore this you know,
Speaker 1: the idea that the Mormons, the darker your skin, well
Speaker 1: the more the more hell is on your soul, or
Speaker 1: whatever however they worded it. But I mean, that's what
Speaker 1: it came down to. Why are people dark because their
Speaker 1: souls are darkened and therefore their flesh comes out that way.
Speaker 1: And you know what I mean, like if you pare
Speaker 1: it down enough, if you dig deep enough, you find
Speaker 1: these things. And it puts the very racist on the
Speaker 1: same side as people that claim not to be. And
Speaker 1: it's all racialism as opposed to racism. It's racialism where
Speaker 1: there's a predetermination.
Speaker 2: It's the whole eugenics program back in the thirties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well but you see again, back in the thirties,
Speaker 1: we take it back to there. The eugenic society existed
Speaker 1: here in America, first of all, and it was exported
Speaker 1: to the Germans in the first d and place. You know,
Speaker 1: all that pseudo intellectualism came from like these people who
Speaker 1: got together and said, you know, we have this belief
Speaker 1: about racial identity, and you know, and even the Aryan people, right,
Speaker 1: and quotes they're invented partially from Norse mythology. And then
Speaker 1: the claims, these claims on pseudoscience, you know, which includes
Speaker 1: some other weird things where it's like, you know, if
Speaker 1: your nose is just so big, then that means eight
Speaker 1: different things about you. You know, if you happen to
Speaker 1: be of a similar height, you know, a certain height
Speaker 1: grouping is. It means that if you never grow like past,
Speaker 1: you know, five foot five, then literally you you lack
Speaker 1: the character to have this or that you know, good
Speaker 1: trade in you because of your height. Weird stuff starts
Speaker 1: to happen when they really break it down and start
Speaker 1: trying to go into particulars and start telling you that
Speaker 1: the color of your eyes, you know, literally determines your
Speaker 1: actions in life. Whether you're going to be a criminal
Speaker 1: or not can be determined by the differential between you know,
Speaker 1: your fingertips, you know, despite the Fibonacci equation, you know,
Speaker 1: explaining how it is were laid out and all that. No, no, no, See,
Speaker 1: the people that have like the longer middle finger, you know,
Speaker 1: they're I mean almost this stupid, but not quite. But
Speaker 1: the people that have a longer middle finger are more
Speaker 1: likely to give the middle finger to society. You know.
Speaker 1: Weird stuff happens this way. And I'm just bringing this
Speaker 1: up as something to talk about. We have a couple
Speaker 1: of callers and I'd love to get to them. So
Speaker 1: what do you think should we take them in order?
Speaker 1: Should I figure out who's in order? Or you got
Speaker 1: some more things you want to throw on the fire
Speaker 1: before we get cooking. No, just a couple of updates.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here trying to stay on top of the
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball playoffs, and it looks like spent Kent's
Speaker 2: Mariners are down at the moment. So I can't remember
Speaker 2: if these playoffs at this point, is it best out
Speaker 2: of five? I think it is anyway, Blue Jays, they're
Speaker 2: tied two games each and right now the Mariners are
Speaker 2: down two to one, top to eighth with one out. Also,
Speaker 2: we're looking at the Nebraska game is still at zero zero.
Speaker 2: And I'll give you the update on Miami and Cardinals
Speaker 2: here in a second. Look that. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: this is the best time of year. You've got football,
Speaker 2: you've got hockey, you've got baseball in case, just it's amazing.
Speaker 1: Well, sir, let me let me give you a little
Speaker 1: little minor correction. We're in the league championship series phase
Speaker 1: of Major League Baseball, and I just double checked to
Speaker 1: make sure I was sure about this. But fact is,
Speaker 1: we're in the four out of seven game situation.
Speaker 2: Because that's right, championships are four out of sevens of
Speaker 2: the series.
Speaker 1: The first phase when they changed the playoffs, they turned
Speaker 1: it to the three out of five. Right, But you see,
Speaker 1: if you notice already the Dodgers lead the Brewers, you know,
Speaker 1: three games to none right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're playing Also.
Speaker 1: Right there, there's zero zero in the top of the first.
Speaker 1: I got it. There's zero zero, zero zero in the
Speaker 1: top of the first, right now.
Speaker 2: So I did pull Nebraska beating Minnesota three to nothing. Right.
Speaker 1: So I have no idea what's going on with WrestleMania
Speaker 1: this year, But there you go. I would watch baseball,
Speaker 1: but I got to be honest with you, I don't
Speaker 1: think I care about any of these teams that are
Speaker 1: in there now. So it's kind of like who's going
Speaker 1: to get the World Series. I'll find out in a week.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping. I hate to go against Fank Camp, but
Speaker 2: I'm a Toronto guy, so I'm hoping they clean the house. Well,
Speaker 2: you have them go back to the series.
Speaker 1: Yeah you had a personal connection, didn't you to to Toronto?
Speaker 1: Wasn't that one again? Yeah? Okay, I understand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were a farm team for Toronto.
Speaker 1: I mean vaguely, if I had to pick a team
Speaker 1: out of these four sitting here and like somebody said,
Speaker 1: pick one to win, I'd probably choose the Dodgers because
Speaker 1: always National League and the Dodgers at the very least
Speaker 1: they carry the you know, it's Dodger Blue. That's half
Speaker 1: of the Mets, you know, actual team colors. So I
Speaker 1: would probably go with the National League and Dodger Blue.
Speaker 1: I'd probably choose the Dodgers and hope that they win.
Speaker 1: If I had even a a I don't know, a
Speaker 1: shred of a desire to root for somebody, I would
Speaker 1: root for the Dodgers. But there you go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the only problem I had with Toronto is is
Speaker 3: there in the ale Al East you got the Yankees
Speaker 3: and Boston and Toronto, and every year it seems like
Speaker 3: it's either Boston or the Yankees.
Speaker 1: Well that's all right, the Yankees, by their way in
Speaker 1: That's the way it's always been the whole time I've
Speaker 1: been alive, So screw it. By the way, there is
Speaker 1: a note in the chat room about, you know, black
Speaker 1: people definitely can't handle the meth like white people do,
Speaker 1: according to a chatter an anonymous one, And I got
Speaker 1: to tell you, I disagree, because it seems to me
Speaker 1: like nobody can handle the meth to well once they
Speaker 1: get into it. So meth to me, is a weird drug.
Speaker 1: It's definitely something otherworldly because I have never seen and
Speaker 1: I've been around all kinds of drug addicts, and you know,
Speaker 1: I survived through the Krack era of drugs in the country,
Speaker 1: was involved in neighborhoods where drugs was drugs, and you know,
Speaker 1: even in order to prove myself useful as a child,
Speaker 1: I had to you know, participate a bit, not get high,
Speaker 1: but you know, make make a little business here or
Speaker 1: there if I wanted to eat, et cetera, and also
Speaker 1: prove myself useful, so you know, somebody didn't forget about
Speaker 1: me and leave me out in the cold during the
Speaker 1: winter or something. So you know, the fact is, yeah,
Speaker 1: meth to me is different. Even crack was not as insidious.
Speaker 1: There's something almost evil about meth, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: from what I can tell. And I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: it's just a vague, gut kind of reaction to the
Speaker 1: world I see around me when meth happens and the
Speaker 1: destructive force on it. Sure you can lose your teeth
Speaker 1: being a heroin attic, but I mean it almost looks
Speaker 1: like you lose your soul when you go over to
Speaker 1: meth man, it is brutal. So I don't think anybody
Speaker 1: handles meth too well, so you know, black, white, or otherwise,
Speaker 1: although I will say it seems like black people are
Speaker 1: not as drawn to the myth as white people are either.
Speaker 1: It's just not their thing. You know. Again, I'm making
Speaker 1: collective racial observations here, right, I shouldn't really do that,
Speaker 1: But the world shows me what the world shows me.
Speaker 1: I mean, I generally, the first thing I think if
Speaker 1: I see wrecked drug addict of a particular ethnicity is
Speaker 1: I don't jump to meth on a black guy. I
Speaker 1: just don't a lot of other possibilities there. They could
Speaker 1: just be drinking themselves to death. And I've seen people
Speaker 1: do that of all stripes my whole life. But yeah,
Speaker 1: meth No, I don't think anybody handles it well. But
Speaker 1: maybe that's just me. Maybe we should get to the
Speaker 1: callers instead of my ideas about you know, drug destruction
Speaker 1: and the soul is nature of the business or whatever
Speaker 1: you want to do, be pete. Should we get to
Speaker 1: the college now? All right, I'm trying to have fun
Speaker 1: because I got a bad feeling this show is not
Speaker 1: going to be fun tonight. I don't know why, but
Speaker 1: I want to go in with a good attitude, positive
Speaker 1: and everything neativity. I don't know, it's just sometimes I
Speaker 1: feel exhausted by the end of the Show's draining to
Speaker 1: me personally anyway, It's just me. I'm trying to roll
Speaker 1: with it though, And if you guys want to join,
Speaker 1: please do. Please bring on new ideas, tell a friend
Speaker 1: to call in, even I don't mind, you know, even
Speaker 1: jerky calls, call up and tell me you want to
Speaker 1: talk about you know, the local convenience store has, you know,
Speaker 1: shitty hot dogs. Do it, Let's do it anything, Bring
Speaker 1: it on. Let's have a wide open conversation and kind
Speaker 1: of just explore the world down here on Friday nights.
Speaker 1: That's what I'd love to do. And some people wrote
Speaker 1: to me a couple quick notes before I go to
Speaker 1: the Callers Live, just to acknowledge some emails and other
Speaker 1: other communications. I had requests for do a show on
Speaker 1: Kurt Cobain's death. I got three of them in one day,
Speaker 1: which I found.
Speaker 2: Strangth somebody's got a new book out, is that why?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw a thing on YouTube the other day.
Speaker 2: This private investigator is working with one of the guys
Speaker 2: who was with Kirk Cobain supposedly when he was given
Speaker 2: a hot shot and then they moved him up to
Speaker 2: the room over the garage O perpetrated after that with
Speaker 2: the shotguns. That apparently that's the new claim.
Speaker 1: Yeah, since you saw it and I didn't, is that
Speaker 1: the investigator that was like supposed to have been hired
Speaker 1: by Courtney Love at one point and then sort of
Speaker 1: saw crazy different one?
Speaker 2: Okay, this one that guy, Yeah, the one hired by
Speaker 2: Courtney Love. I watched all his stuff and you know,
Speaker 2: he kind of put it on her. This other guy
Speaker 2: says that it wasn't her, but he's not sure. You know,
Speaker 2: a lot of that, Well I can't tell you that
Speaker 2: because it's in the book. Yeah, I can't get into
Speaker 2: that because it's in the book. Well yeah, I hate that.
Speaker 1: I hate that. But also with this and a lot
Speaker 1: of these like rock star cases, you know, the fact
Speaker 1: is there are people that know a little something and
Speaker 1: they are out there kind of in a weird fish bowl,
Speaker 1: like you know, like I actually was not too far
Speaker 1: from Lane Staley shortly before he went into his final
Speaker 1: spiral and died. Uh. You know, that's around the time
Speaker 1: I met him, and it was a chance meeting thing.
Speaker 1: But I don't know anything about his death. I saw
Speaker 1: a couple of weird things. But his mother is out there,
Speaker 1: you know, like pretty much begging for answers, and she
Speaker 1: believes somebody knows something that would change things regarding you know,
Speaker 1: his death, which was you know, just seen in public
Speaker 1: as a you know, as a spiral into self destructive drugs.
Speaker 1: This guy, you know and Cobain is another case.
Speaker 2: Guy was there with two others and it was the
Speaker 2: two others that shot him up. It was some type
Speaker 2: of confrontation. He had just gotten back that night from rehab. Okay,
Speaker 2: you've gotten back late, you know, and supposedly these they
Speaker 2: there was a confrontation. These two guys supposedly hit with
Speaker 2: pre made syringes and that's why he had such a
Speaker 2: hot h drug level in his for his alltops right, Okay,
Speaker 2: well they said it even a big user like him
Speaker 2: couldn't have used that much and still did what he
Speaker 2: did with the shotgun.
Speaker 1: But well discuss that we look without all these particulars.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 1: The thing I was trying to get at and why
Speaker 1: I brought up Plane Staley is because of the you know,
Speaker 1: the the first of all, the Seattle connection, but sort
Speaker 1: of in general the West Coast kind of entertainers and
Speaker 1: especially entertainers of that time period. There is a whole
Speaker 1: huge cast of characters that are unknown or lesser known
Speaker 1: that have gone forward, some of them and some of
Speaker 1: them not. You know, when you're part of something like
Speaker 1: an artistic community for real, you know, and you're not
Speaker 1: like just a flat out insulated star. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of people around, and there's a lot of things going on,
Speaker 1: and I've heard from some of those people directly over
Speaker 1: the years. You know. There was the guy that that
Speaker 1: Jack Blood knew really well, who ran the record label
Speaker 1: that Nirvana was first released on before they were huge
Speaker 1: and successful, right that new Kurt you know, in other
Speaker 1: in his other works when he was just recording at
Speaker 1: his aunt's house, that kind of stuff. There are people
Speaker 1: that were in other bands. In fact, Jack Blood again
Speaker 1: another guy who I can publicly put forward because he
Speaker 1: was there at one time. He was a roommate of
Speaker 1: Courtney loves Jack Blood right, literally living in one of
Speaker 1: those houses, one of those situations where a bunch of
Speaker 1: people live there, and so did Courtney. And there's people
Speaker 1: swapping roommates and moving around. I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of there's a lot of odd stops of apartments and
Speaker 1: holes in the wall on your way to and through
Speaker 1: success in the music world, and especially back then, and
Speaker 1: you know, there you go. Jack Blood was in bands
Speaker 1: with some of the big guys you know today, you
Speaker 1: know that that were in like Soundgarden and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Well he was maybe jamming in their band, you know what,
Speaker 1: a year or two before their success happened. You know.
Speaker 1: So he's around some of those people. And he's not
Speaker 1: the only guy. I know. The guy who again that
Speaker 1: record label, guy who had that small sub Pop Records
Speaker 1: was the name of it, had a small label. You
Speaker 1: know that later on corporate record labels wound up sweeping
Speaker 1: it all up. But I mean, there is many a
Speaker 1: thousand untold stories, you know what I mean along the way,
Speaker 1: and some of them mean something, and some of them don't.
Speaker 1: You know, going into Il Duce and the weird White
Speaker 1: Supremacists and the weird punk scene, you know, where people
Speaker 1: did indeed deal heavy amounts of drugs and there were
Speaker 1: murders and so on and so forth. Again, that community
Speaker 1: is a wild sort of thing to try and unravel
Speaker 1: for outsiders, and you know, I don't know what to
Speaker 1: make of Kurt Cobaine's death at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: but addressing the fact that three people came at me
Speaker 1: at once, it much must just be that he was
Speaker 1: making the rounds right regarding the you know, the death
Speaker 1: and maybe new revelations by my book though, because I'm
Speaker 1: not going to tell you on the podcast, but probably
Speaker 1: they're doing media tours, so somebody wants one of those.
Speaker 1: In response on Twitter, I think I posted my interview
Speaker 1: with Hank Harrison, who was Courtney Love's father, not long
Speaker 1: before he died strangely, and I was one of the
Speaker 1: last people talking to a matter of fact, I was
Speaker 1: trying to return a phone call from him and ended
Speaker 1: up with his wife on the phone, who was like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to tell you. I know Hank wanted to
Speaker 1: talk to you, but he passed away. You know. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I will be open to suggestions or connections.
Speaker 1: If anybody's got you know, somebody who's a witness, who
Speaker 1: was around, who's written a book, and you got a
Speaker 1: good d with them, let me know. I'll bring them
Speaker 1: on the show and I'll be willing to explore whatever
Speaker 1: you want regarding that. But I don't know what else
Speaker 1: to do with the Kurt Cobain mess. I mean, I
Speaker 1: could try and you know, look up this author like Bpete.
Speaker 1: If you got a link, you know, send it to me.
Speaker 1: I'll look him up. See if he's got you know,
Speaker 1: management or an answering machine or you know, a cell
Speaker 1: phone number. Some of these guys, you know, like kind
Speaker 1: of covertly post a cell phone number on their own
Speaker 1: websites if they're independent. And since he was a private investigator,
Speaker 1: maybe I can call up his office and get him.
Speaker 1: I don't know, let's try, right.
Speaker 2: Let's see. Yeah, we'll look into that and see what
Speaker 2: we can do.
Speaker 1: Well, you don't got to do it now. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't got to do it now. You don't got to
Speaker 1: do it now. Just you know, like while somebody else
Speaker 1: is talking or whatever, do it. But let's get to
Speaker 1: these phone callers, so we don't keep waiting, because now
Speaker 1: I got three on the line. So I want to
Speaker 1: get to everybody. And we do have a little extra
Speaker 1: time tonight, so we're going to go over at the
Speaker 1: ten o'clock hour, just so everybody knows. But you can
Speaker 1: join us. Anybody hearing us live. Let's see what time
Speaker 1: is it? Almost nine pm Eastern? Okay, so join us.
Speaker 1: You got a minimum of an hour and fifteen at
Speaker 1: least to go tonight on the o'celli Effect Friday Night
Speaker 1: open Mic, and the number to call is three one
Speaker 1: nine five two seven five zero one six. That's three
Speaker 1: one nine five two seven five zero one six. And
Speaker 1: even outside of the Kurt Cobain thing, if you got suggestions, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm listening and I read them all. But if you've
Speaker 1: got you know, a hint as to like, don't just
Speaker 1: give me an open subject, okay, Kurt Cobain. Great? Is
Speaker 1: there something specific you want me to go after a
Speaker 1: specific guest or do you want me to do some
Speaker 1: research into something? Let me know, because it's a wide,
Speaker 1: wild world out there, and be specific with your requests.
Speaker 1: I will answer them, especially for people who actually support
Speaker 1: the network and chip something in and participate. Uh, you
Speaker 1: are higher up on the priority list than a random
Speaker 1: guy who comes at me. And here's an example of
Speaker 1: one of those guys. Jimmy James is first up on
Speaker 1: the call line three one nine five two seven five
Speaker 1: zero one six. Jimmy James, what's on your mind? Brother?
Speaker 1: Mm hm? Oh lord?
Speaker 4: What was a.
Speaker 1: Long pause before you said anything? What's what?
Speaker 4: Sounded like a hell of a commotion. I thought I
Speaker 4: had a like a rock music playing then waving me
Speaker 4: in the show or something. I didn't know what was
Speaker 4: going on.
Speaker 1: I don't know. BP. Did you hear anything? I didn't.
Speaker 2: No, nothing, not at ordinary.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're we're confused, Jimmy, we didn't hear it. So
Speaker 1: what's on your mind?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Hit by freight train.
Speaker 5: I was feeling even more tired than usual than a
Speaker 5: few days ago. My throat hurt, felt like I've been
Speaker 5: gargling with glass. Then I figure, I see I'm sick,
Speaker 5: sicker than usual.
Speaker 1: I've been like that like at least ten days now
Speaker 1: with the throat bad. And before that I didn't feel
Speaker 1: too good either. But nasty throat past week daily, yeah
Speaker 1: made me feel good. Yeah, I mean I literally had it.
Speaker 1: It felt like you know what, Jimmy, It started to
Speaker 1: feel like the whole inside of my throat was like
Speaker 1: covered in scabs. That's the way it felt there a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago.
Speaker 2: How about you exactly exactly?
Speaker 4: So you know what I've been doing every day for
Speaker 4: the last four days. I've been going down to the
Speaker 4: store and buying a jug of gatorade, and I had
Speaker 4: a feeling I was extremely dehi agreed, what's going well
Speaker 4: outside of here?
Speaker 1: D hydration? Uh?
Speaker 4: I was gonna asked if you ever got around to
Speaker 4: looking over that paper.
Speaker 1: But the paragraph you wrote, sir, that one paragraph, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a paragraph that you wrote. You said it was.
Speaker 4: The whole outline of the Did you open the attachment?
Speaker 1: I I, it's it appears as though I didn't. You know,
Speaker 1: I've been working with the Russian documents this week. I
Speaker 1: was working with other research papers, and as I recall,
Speaker 1: you wrote about a uh, you know, a short synopsis
Speaker 1: of what it is you want to do. So I
Speaker 1: would say, go ahead and do it, and let's see
Speaker 1: what we can do about publishing it, because everybody kind
Speaker 1: of stopped sending me the stuff to publish on the
Speaker 1: front page. So it's kind of just sitting there, and
Speaker 1: I kind of feel foolish about it now, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, because nobody's gone ahead and just sent
Speaker 1: me the material that I keep asking for. So I
Speaker 1: don't know what to do there. I mean, you got more.
Speaker 1: Send it my way. I've got definite desire to publish
Speaker 1: more on it. You know, the weekly Reader is not
Speaker 1: so weekly. I mean it's like, you know, how do
Speaker 1: you say every twenty weeks, I'm going to publish something. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know, because nobody's contributing, and I had a
Speaker 1: lot of promises to contribute and it's not happening. So
Speaker 1: that's still open. If people want to send that stuff
Speaker 1: to me infoodochelly dot com. I will gladly receive your
Speaker 1: work to publish and work with you on it. Anybody
Speaker 1: that has something interesting and unique to offer by all means,
Speaker 1: send it to me and let's see if we can
Speaker 1: publish you there, you know, we get a run. Going
Speaker 1: might be interesting. Go ahead, Jimmy, I mean, please continue your.
Speaker 4: Work and send it. You said you wanted to look
Speaker 4: over anyone's ideas. Probably what it is people are probably
Speaker 4: waiting to hear back from you.
Speaker 1: But okay, I'll finish it out. Yeah, I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: finish your idea. I've told other people go ahead, continue
Speaker 1: and I get silence after that. I don't know. Please continue, everybody,
Speaker 1: write it and send it. Let's go. You know, so
Speaker 1: what else on your mind.
Speaker 2: Man, good, we'll take too long.
Speaker 4: Cool, so well, on with the next dude directly.
Speaker 1: All right, let's do that. We'll go over to the
Speaker 1: next guy, hold on, Jimmy, and we we will bring
Speaker 1: you back on at some point. Okay, let's see who's next.
Speaker 1: It looks like my friend from Florida, and I got
Speaker 1: to ask you, know, what did you do with the
Speaker 1: list of songs? Because I thought i'd get a response.
Speaker 1: I racked my for a list of songs. You said,
Speaker 1: give me your soundtrack of five rock songs.
Speaker 6: Right, to be honest, I haven't even had a chance
Speaker 6: to get on next sit today.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 6: You see, late late night from work and I came
Speaker 6: home and been doing a.
Speaker 2: Little work in the grudge.
Speaker 1: Understandable, and I get some hey, but you did send
Speaker 1: me that message, okay, And you asked me for five
Speaker 1: rock songs, right, that would be like the soundtrack of
Speaker 1: my life, my top five things that would be. And I, honestly,
Speaker 1: I think I had to send you six or seven.
Speaker 1: I was trying to get it down to the five
Speaker 1: and I just couldn't do it. I racked my brain
Speaker 1: a bit trying to really, like, I need these tracks,
Speaker 1: you know, and I sent you some and I got
Speaker 1: to tell you got me thinking there. But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's as far as I could get it. Let me
Speaker 1: see if I settled on six or seven, because I
Speaker 1: kind of feel bad about removing one of them, but
Speaker 1: had to be done. I was trying to stick to
Speaker 1: your rules and I couldn't do it. Man, I tried,
Speaker 1: I really tried.
Speaker 2: I'll be checking them out here. Surely I appreciate.
Speaker 1: It, Okay. I mean, if you got something else on
Speaker 1: your mind, go for it. Otherwise maybe I'll go pull
Speaker 1: it up. We'll talk about it now, you know.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I initially was calling for a different topic,
Speaker 6: but you know, you got on the Kirk clubane subjects.
Speaker 2: Sure, whatever you want.
Speaker 6: You know, there are some interesting things behind his death
Speaker 6: and least interesting connections with Courtney Love.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever looked at any of that.
Speaker 6: I you know, like her dad's history, you know, being
Speaker 6: a former manager for the Grateful Dead.
Speaker 1: Okay, she was, I forget.
Speaker 2: There's a natural term for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you you missed, girls, I would go around and
Speaker 1: pass LSD. Yeah, I'm sorry, Sorry, dude, you missed the
Speaker 1: part of the show here. Where I said, I interviewed
Speaker 1: Hank Harrison on this show right before he died her dad.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I even put it out there because there
Speaker 1: were three requests in one day, so I put it
Speaker 1: out there. Hey, you know this, this is the last
Speaker 1: thing I did, like four years ago. I talked to
Speaker 1: him right before he died, Hank Harrison about Courtney Love
Speaker 1: and it was a one hour I did. The first
Speaker 1: hour a blind Joe and second hour I did with
Speaker 1: with Hank Harrison. I talked to him, you know, about
Speaker 1: Courtney about his book and I forget what it was
Speaker 1: called the book off the top of my head. It's embarrassing,
Speaker 1: but it was something like, you know, Loved to Death
Speaker 1: or something he called it. And it seems like her
Speaker 1: own father kind of implicates that she's probably responsible for
Speaker 1: Kurt's death. And we went over that on the show
Speaker 1: as best I could. But he was a wild interview
Speaker 1: subject being that you're right, he had been the tour
Speaker 1: manager for the Grateful Dead, involved in all kinds of
Speaker 1: you know, madness. Let's say, yeah, I mean, wild dude,
Speaker 1: Hank Harrison. And then, like I said, I was returning calls,
Speaker 1: we were having private calls. And then I went to
Speaker 1: return a call one day after I waited like a
Speaker 1: week to call him back, and yeah, I got his
Speaker 1: wife and she goes, I'm sorry. I know, Hank really
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to you some more. And the last
Speaker 1: message he left me was like, I really need to
Speaker 1: speak with you and I need to get this out
Speaker 1: to the world and blah blah blah blah. And apparently
Speaker 1: he made those kind of statements a lot, so I
Speaker 1: don't feel too special, but he really wanted to come
Speaker 1: back on the show. I'm calling him back and yeah,
Speaker 1: sorry to tell you, but Hank passed away. And you know,
Speaker 1: if you want, you can attend the you know, the
Speaker 1: a service that we're having for him, the celebration of life.
Speaker 1: We're going to have people attended virtually, so we'll put
Speaker 1: you on the list for people, you know, So I did.
Speaker 1: I actually went and sat and listened to Hank's celebration
Speaker 1: of life, Hank Harrison's. So I'm just saying in general,
Speaker 1: that was my last connection to the story. I've gone
Speaker 1: into it and I did other stuff on it too,
Speaker 1: but that one's still up on my I preserved it
Speaker 1: on the speaker R S. S. Speed, So it's there
Speaker 1: and I even tweeted it recently the link.
Speaker 2: So well, there's also some interest.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean it's all I'd have to refresh my
Speaker 6: memory on it a little bit, but there was some
Speaker 6: you know, before Coben's death, him and Dave Grohl, they were.
Speaker 2: Experiencing some some riffs.
Speaker 6: Uh, but you know they were on bad terms by
Speaker 6: the time that cro Cobain was I would call it murdered,
Speaker 6: but that's just me. You know, most people are killing
Speaker 6: themselves with a shotgun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got you. And I have a mutual acquaintance.
Speaker 1: But just just for the record here real quick, be
Speaker 1: people before you go. I'm into it. I have a
Speaker 1: mutual acquaintance with Dave Groll and I actually reached out,
Speaker 1: tried to go around his management and and his reps
Speaker 1: and everything else, and tried to go through that mutual friend,
Speaker 1: let's say. Uh, And I got back an answer which was,
Speaker 1: you know, no, thank you, not right now. Uh. That's
Speaker 1: what Dave Grohl said, you know, in a short text
Speaker 1: to this mutual acquaintance that we have. But I I saw,
Speaker 1: I don't know where else to go with it. I
Speaker 1: tried to get Dave Roll himself talk about it, and
Speaker 1: I don't expect him to because I don't think. I
Speaker 1: think he's been asked a lot and nobody has gotten
Speaker 1: good answers out of him. Like on the record. Let's say,
Speaker 1: but girl, what.
Speaker 6: His dad was?
Speaker 2: What I think it was? What's former Senator Jonathan right?
Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken?
Speaker 6: Uh oh no, the speech writer for our former center.
Speaker 2: Yeah sator right.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say he's involved in.
Speaker 2: Political advisor, speechwriter. I mean he's got some ties.
Speaker 6: All these all these people tend to have for whatever reason.
Speaker 6: You know, a lot of these musicians, a lot of
Speaker 6: them seem to have the govern ment ties.
Speaker 2: You know, their parents worked in government or military.
Speaker 1: And there you go, shout out to Dave, shout out
Speaker 1: to Dave McGowan, right, strange scenes inside the Canyon and such.
Speaker 1: You know, Dave an interesting guy who wrote about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jim Morrison's dad was what an admiral in
Speaker 1: the Navy, like a high up guy in Navy intelligence.
Speaker 1: I think Jim Morrison's dad, right. You know, you go
Speaker 1: throughout me throughout like modern rock history, and find that
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys who were like icons have
Speaker 1: connection to guess what, the military, The military industrial complex
Speaker 1: and the military industrial intelligence complex, which you know is
Speaker 1: something to be explored for sure. But outside of that, yeah, girl,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, like he has family that's connected
Speaker 1: to like, you know, different political people, like kind of
Speaker 1: close to some important people. But I don't think girl
Speaker 1: was directly related to an important person as far as
Speaker 1: I know. But maybe there's something I don't know. M Okay, uh,
Speaker 1: maybe you're not with us. Did we lose?
Speaker 2: You might have lost?
Speaker 4: I'm still here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'm still here.
Speaker 1: So you were trying to say something to Bpete, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 2: Just on the when they made a comment that grol
Speaker 2: And and Cobain were having issues, it's I think one
Speaker 2: of the things in this last video that I saw
Speaker 2: said that at the time that Cobaine was looking to
Speaker 2: just walk away from the band and do his own thing,
Speaker 2: and he had, you know, had been talking with some
Speaker 2: other people about some collaboration and stuff like that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I look, that was an issue, but that was something
Speaker 2: that was brought out, is that it was possibly due
Speaker 2: to uh, Cocaine wanted to pull away from it, spend
Speaker 2: more time at home instead of touring and all that.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and look that's a girl.
Speaker 2: Was us making some frivolous purchases too, yeah, and there's
Speaker 2: records of that. I mean who was pulling out?
Speaker 6: You know they besically had like aider, like a company
Speaker 6: credit card, and he was making for his purposes. Well, right,
Speaker 6: I think, if I'm not mistaken, he bought himself like
Speaker 6: a Porscha y yeah, Porsche, however you want to pronounce it.
Speaker 6: You know what, you know, shortly before Covin's death, I
Speaker 6: mean he was just running the.
Speaker 2: Running them into, running them way into death.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he might have been doing that because the
Speaker 1: party was going to be over soon, because you know,
Speaker 1: and here we go with the typical drama, uh again
Speaker 1: among these rock bands, right, you know this guy's getting
Speaker 1: ready to leave, he wants to go solo. I mean
Speaker 1: we've been hearing that, you know what since the fifties,
Speaker 1: when you know, the little Richard is letting go of
Speaker 1: a guitarist that's in the background of his band named
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hendrix, Right, I mean, there there's there's always been
Speaker 1: this kind of thing John and Yoko obviously, except you know,
Speaker 1: you got Psycho Yogo over there when it comes to
Speaker 1: Courtney Love and you know, instead of peace and love
Speaker 1: and pot you know, we're looking at dope violence and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, psychotic episodes and that stuff is you know,
Speaker 1: on the record.
Speaker 2: I gotta give I gotta give some credit to Courtney
Speaker 2: Loves saying a lot better than Yoko Odo.
Speaker 1: Oh well, hell yeah. But you know there's an upgrade
Speaker 1: there in in But then again, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: you look at Courtney Love on on MTV and I
Speaker 1: mean you can smell her. But anyways, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: smell a vision, rough, rough situation. And I swear to God,
Speaker 1: the first you know, couple of releases from the band
Speaker 1: hole of all things, you know, sound vague, I mean,
Speaker 1: eerily similar to stuff that maybe Kurt Cobain would have written.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Uh, if you can tell
Speaker 1: me that celebrity skin Yeah good.
Speaker 2: A quick note on what you just said. MTV just
Speaker 2: announced that they're shutting down after forty years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where I was gonna. I was coming about
Speaker 1: to transfer.
Speaker 2: TV and how influential they were on getting music out there.
Speaker 2: I mean basically Nirvana and what they did video buys,
Speaker 2: and the fact that MTV was just running them. They
Speaker 2: say killed glam rock. He just wiped it off the
Speaker 2: face of the earth.
Speaker 1: Of course it did. It killed the hard rock and
Speaker 1: heavy metal at the time, the glam stuff, of course
Speaker 1: it didn't. But the thing is, you know, MTV has
Speaker 1: been dead a long time. It's been a zombie because
Speaker 1: MTV has nothing to do with music anymore, and it
Speaker 1: hasn't for a long time. Grandma, what's the last time