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<v Speaker 1>Well, whiskey, come and take my pain, the honeys, my ry.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh whiskey.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't why think alone when you can drink it all

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<v Speaker 3>in with Ricochet's Three Whiskey Happy Hour, Join your bartenders,

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<v Speaker 3>Steve Hayward, John You, and the international Woman of Mystery, Lucretia.

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<v Speaker 1>Where they lapped it up it David, Ain't you easy

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<v Speaker 1>on the should chaps gotta give me?

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome everyone to this really super special edition of the

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<v Speaker 4>Three Whiskey Happy Hour, because we are on at least

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<v Speaker 4>two different continents. Steve is in an undisclosed location in Palermo.

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<v Speaker 4>John is cursing United Airlines because his flight to Naples

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<v Speaker 4>yesterday was canceled and they won't get him out for

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<v Speaker 4>another month or so or something like that.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, John, this is the worst travel disruption I've ever

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<v Speaker 5>had where I was on a tarmac for eleven hours,

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<v Speaker 5>eleven hours and then they canceled the flight and I

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<v Speaker 5>couldn't get another flight out for two more days. The

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<v Speaker 5>writers people should write in have you ever had a

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<v Speaker 5>worse travel disruption? Eleven hours and then they canceled the

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<v Speaker 5>flight and you can't get out for two days later?

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<v Speaker 1>I thought the regulations now they couldn't hold you on

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<v Speaker 1>a plane longer than five hours or something.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what, They brought us back after five hours

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<v Speaker 5>and then send us back out again.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so the regulatory state wins again.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh man, that's just awful.

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<v Speaker 5>But anyway, that meant, that meant I got the pleasure

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<v Speaker 5>of being in Newark train station at five am. You

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<v Speaker 5>meet the most culture people in the New York New

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<v Speaker 5>York train station at five am, and made it to

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<v Speaker 5>my mom's house in Philadelphia. And I've got to spend

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<v Speaker 5>two more days with my mom.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's nice to tell your mother that we said.

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<v Speaker 5>Hello, she's your big fan, is you know? In the

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<v Speaker 5>amongst the eighty year old set, Lucretia has the biggest

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<v Speaker 5>fan base.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, they go over.

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<v Speaker 5>They discussed what Lucretia's wearing, how she comes up with

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<v Speaker 5>her beau malls. They love Lucretia here at my mom's

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<v Speaker 5>retirement home.

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<v Speaker 4>I do, I do think I have to bring back

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<v Speaker 4>this was a proud moment of my life when you

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<v Speaker 4>I believe it was your mom who said that she

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<v Speaker 4>expected to me me to be some haggardly looking old

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<v Speaker 4>woman or something like that, and was surprised to find

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<v Speaker 4>out that I wasn't exactly that. I remember something that

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<v Speaker 4>was very sweet of.

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<v Speaker 5>Her, because you hit the standards of beauty of the

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<v Speaker 5>nineteen fifties.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I'm not even going to take that as

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<v Speaker 4>an insult, John, because when I look around at the

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<v Speaker 4>way some young people, well, i'll just leave that one alone.

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<v Speaker 4>No Lukism today, Well we're probably gonna have Latonism. I

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<v Speaker 4>hate to say it, but we're going to get started.

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<v Speaker 4>Because because Steve's got jet lag and a scratchy voice,

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<v Speaker 4>I decided that what I wanted to talk about today

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<v Speaker 4>was a sort of big picture or what does Steve

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<v Speaker 4>called it, a field view or something like that, of

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<v Speaker 4>the current state of our political parties. And the current

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<v Speaker 4>state of our political parties is, oh, it's all messed up,

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<v Speaker 4>because for how long has it been now that the

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<v Speaker 4>Democrats have been in lockstep about everything? You know, and

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<v Speaker 4>even when something that doesn't make any sense, like moving

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<v Speaker 4>from you know, radical feminism to this idea that men

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<v Speaker 4>should be able to compete in women sports and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a woman. I'm not a biologist. I can't tell you

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<v Speaker 4>what a woman is, and all of that nonsense they'll

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<v Speaker 4>they'll embrace it because the leftist moves like one of

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<v Speaker 4>those bee swarms that you know, moves from place to

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<v Speaker 4>place altogether. Except now, the Democrats, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 4>get you guys' thoughts on this and the with the

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<v Speaker 4>d MC autopsy are are splitting apart. They're they're you know,

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<v Speaker 4>they're blaming each other. They're pointing fingers at each other.

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<v Speaker 4>There's the far left, it doesn't know what to do

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<v Speaker 4>with the middle, that doesn't know what to do with

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<v Speaker 4>the right, the far left, the center left, and they

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<v Speaker 4>will compare that to what's going on in the Republican Party.

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<v Speaker 4>But first, which one of you fellows would like to

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<v Speaker 4>talk about the d n C autopsy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll start first, as see if my voice holds

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<v Speaker 1>out here for an opening comment.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, it reads.

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<v Speaker 1>Like a rejected script for a money python sketch. The

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<v Speaker 1>voters have said, you have sold us a dead parrot,

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<v Speaker 1>and the DNC is saying, no, no, it's just resting.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no problem here.

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<v Speaker 1>The parent's alive, right, I mean, the substance of it

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<v Speaker 1>is so weak, and you can go down the list

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<v Speaker 1>of things, and we really can.

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<v Speaker 2>But my favorite aspect of it was. It's rejection.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember they release the report because they thought under pressure,

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<v Speaker 1>so will put it out. But the DNC chairman, what's

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<v Speaker 1>his name, Ken Martin, Rod Martin, whatever, his name is,

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<v Speaker 1>Ken Martin, he he rejected the findings because he said

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't be verified, like there's no data for it.

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<v Speaker 2>This reminds me, in other words, the problems.

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<v Speaker 1>Of academic political science, and you know, like the political

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<v Speaker 1>science John at Berkeley who say you can't study what

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<v Speaker 1>you can't measure. They don't even use survey numbers showing

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<v Speaker 1>if they did take what data you could bring the

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<v Speaker 1>bear on this, which would be surveys of American people

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<v Speaker 1>saying that, oh yeah, we don't want men and women's sports.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so called eighty twenty issues of Democrats are on

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong side of There would be some data, but

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<v Speaker 1>the author completely avoids it. But finally, I think these

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<v Speaker 1>autopsies by parties when they lose an election that they

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<v Speaker 1>thought they.

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<v Speaker 2>Were going to win are stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>You remember the RNC had their autopsy in twenty thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>after Romney lost and they called.

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<v Speaker 2>It the autopsy.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I think it's just the media calling this new

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<v Speaker 1>report in autopsy because that's now the way we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about these postal reports. But the autopsy in twenty thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>you remember, said, well, gosh, Republicans are just too mean

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<v Speaker 1>to Hispanics, and you know, we need to have comprehensive

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<v Speaker 1>immigration reform to make a country more welcoming.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was blown up two.

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<v Speaker 1>Years later by guess who, right, who discovered that it

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<v Speaker 1>was popular to enforce immigration law, and whose mean comments

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<v Speaker 1>about Hispanics seemed not to have a backlatch except with

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<v Speaker 1>wealthy white liberals. Turned out, a lot of Hispanics who

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<v Speaker 1>lived here for a long time thought it was just fine,

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<v Speaker 1>and they kind of agreed with it. So anyway, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just sitting back, popping popcorn and enjoying watching the Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>cut each other up with what's in this report which

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<v Speaker 1>avoids all the key? Oh, it's just one candidate. Harris

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<v Speaker 1>didn't attack Trump enough?

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<v Speaker 2>Really, I mean, what are they going to do? I

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<v Speaker 2>mean they're gonna call him super duper hitler.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean what they did everything somebody said except call

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<v Speaker 1>out the the legate to drop nuclear weapons on.

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<v Speaker 4>Him, And Harris wasn't Kamalamadingong wasn't supported enough except for

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<v Speaker 4>the two point two eight billion they spent getting or elected. John,

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<v Speaker 4>do you have thoughts on this?

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't. First of all, I want to make clear

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<v Speaker 5>that this is being taped with all three of us simultaneously,

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<v Speaker 5>and Steve's not going to record something later to respond

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<v Speaker 5>to all my insults him that he couldn't respond to

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<v Speaker 5>last week that was dirty pool. That was dirty pool,

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<v Speaker 5>on my dirty pool, that was dirty pool square. I

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<v Speaker 5>hope that I insulted you was because you couldn't respond.

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<v Speaker 5>So I had two thoughts. One is I haven't read

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<v Speaker 5>the report, but I take it it barely discussed Biden.

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<v Speaker 5>And you would have thought one major factor in the

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<v Speaker 5>loss was a terrible performance under Joe Biden, who promised

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<v Speaker 5>to a return to normalcy and conventional politics after Trump

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<v Speaker 5>and then weaponized the legal system against Trump. And you know,

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<v Speaker 5>you look at how did when did Trump start making

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<v Speaker 5>a recovery and winning, you know, your recovery towards winning

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<v Speaker 5>the primary. It's when the mar A Lago searched occurred,

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<v Speaker 5>and when the Biden Justice Department started persecuting Trump for

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<v Speaker 5>the first time in American history any form or president's

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<v Speaker 5>been prosecuted, not to mention searched. So that's one. But

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<v Speaker 5>the second one I want to ask you guys what

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<v Speaker 5>you think about this idea, which is it also seemed

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<v Speaker 5>to underscore to me why the Democrypocratic Party is failing,

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<v Speaker 5>because the whole report still sounds to me like an

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<v Speaker 5>affirmation and certainly not a rejection of identity politics and

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<v Speaker 5>right if it just sounds like, oh, I mean, they

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<v Speaker 5>they And the problem with identity politics is if you

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<v Speaker 5>base everything identity, then you don't really have a political theory.

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<v Speaker 5>You don't really have positions that make sense from issue

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<v Speaker 5>to issue. And so that the leads me to thinking

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<v Speaker 5>that's why the Democrat Party is still held in lower

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<v Speaker 5>regard now than the Republican Party, even though the Publican

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<v Speaker 5>parties have got all these problems. The polling shows people

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<v Speaker 5>to think little of the Democratic part because it doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>stand for any values. It just stands for appearance, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>racial appearance, gender appearance. But that's not a political theory,

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<v Speaker 5>that's right, that's that's actually just the lowest form of politics,

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<v Speaker 5>just like vote for me because I look like you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's a nice way to put it, I think, John,

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<v Speaker 4>Actually it's I think it's much more. I think it's

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's much more insidious than that that they

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<v Speaker 4>First of all, it is all anti Trump, and it

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't matter. You said it last week, whether it's Steve

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<v Speaker 4>cut it or not, I don't remember, but you.

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<v Speaker 5>Said, of course he got it, he sliced and diced

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<v Speaker 5>that last episode. I couldn't believe it. I was listening

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<v Speaker 5>to it. I was like, what was I on this episode?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't even remember that. I don't remember taping this.

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<v Speaker 4>You said that Trump. I think you said Trump could

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<v Speaker 4>cure cancer, Trump could do just about anything good, and

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<v Speaker 4>the Democrats would oppose. I mean that comes out absolutely

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<v Speaker 4>clearly in the autopsy. That's all we're going to be about.

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<v Speaker 4>We didn't do it enough last time. Whatever we do

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<v Speaker 4>this time, it's going to be anti Trump. And they're

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<v Speaker 4>counting on I think. I think they're absolutely counting on

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that that gas prices are going to remain high,

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<v Speaker 4>still lower, still lower than they were during the Biden administration.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's get that absolutely clear. But you know, the Democrats

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<v Speaker 4>are harping on it. You even have people on the

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<v Speaker 4>right harping on it. Oh, you know, we're we're the

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<v Speaker 4>economy's going to improve just as soon as we surrender

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<v Speaker 4>in the Iranian war. There are two or three articles

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<v Speaker 4>like that this morning that I saw. So so the

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<v Speaker 4>Democrats have nothing, as you put it, they have nothing

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<v Speaker 4>other than what is a woman? I don't know. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not a biologist. Women need to be accepting of men

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<v Speaker 4>and men's sports and men, by the way, you men

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<v Speaker 4>need to stop refusing to date transgenders.

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<v Speaker 5>By the way, did you I don't know if for

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<v Speaker 5>showing the video this podcast, but Steve's truly and Palermo

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<v Speaker 5>because he just has pretty women walking back and forth

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<v Speaker 5>and back.

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<v Speaker 4>Of this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see I did?

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<v Speaker 5>Did you see?

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<v Speaker 4>Did Steve?

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<v Speaker 2>Steve?

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<v Speaker 5>What happens in Italy when you're there? That's only happened

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<v Speaker 4>Look just tell her what John just said? Really you here? Okay?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I know that runs is safe for children,

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<v Speaker 5>but is it safe for Steve?

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<v Speaker 4>Were you all outnumbered when they discussed that or something?

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<v Speaker 2>John ed this episode again?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay? Back wait, so back to because Steve has dinner

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<v Speaker 4>reservations at a swanky restaurant, so we have to keep

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<v Speaker 4>this short. And I promised in my would, which means

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have to stop for ad right, Steve. But

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<v Speaker 4>likely to lose the House, maybe even the Senate, although

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<v Speaker 4>maybe not between the redistricting and so on. Anyway, Trump

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<v Speaker 4>had had a good week the last week maybe two.

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<v Speaker 4>He you know, we saw Kennedy go not John Kennedy,

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<v Speaker 4>thank god. What's the other Kennedy Cassidy. That's right, Bill Cassidy, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>the doctor Bill Cassidy. We saw Thomas Massey go down

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<v Speaker 4>and Massey just made it, for whatever reason, his his

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<v Speaker 4>And then of course the Indiana legislature legislators who wouldn't redistrict,

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<v Speaker 4>on the Republican Party drives It drives everyone crazy. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>they can't stand the fact that he's winning. But is

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<v Speaker 4>the Republican Party united under Trump?

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<v Speaker 5>Let me say something, Steve. I'm sure will not will

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<v Speaker 5>not agree with this, but I worry that Trump is

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<v Speaker 5>well in the general elections. And it's because of an

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<v Speaker 5>a political disaster. You know, we've all spent a lot

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<v Speaker 5>votes with Trump, I think over ninety five percent of

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<v Speaker 5>Department and was impeached by the Texas House and came

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<v Speaker 5>from office as Attorney General because of his various uh

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<v Speaker 5>a deeply flawed Kennedy. What is the point of right,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I get that it's like a more pro

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<v Speaker 5>The Republican is going to have to spend one hundred

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<v Speaker 5>could have used instead beat the Nazi in Maine or

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<v Speaker 5>young unqualified guy in Georgia. Ausof There's so many seats

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<v Speaker 5>that are in play where that amount of money could

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<v Speaker 5>make a big difference, and now we're going to have

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<v Speaker 5>get that Trump is trying to control the party more,

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<v Speaker 5>but it's I don't think it was necessary, and it

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<v Speaker 5>might be harming the long term prospects of the party

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<v Speaker 5>for the midterms and for the general elections and the midterms.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>So, first of all, Paxton's problems are not ideological, they're ethical.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's true, And yeah, I think it's possibly

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<v Speaker 1>But I do think that the thing to do here

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<v Speaker 1>is to take a long term view, right. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's a mistake just to judge the conditions of things,

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<v Speaker 1>by the prospects of this election, which which may well

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<v Speaker 1>be tough for Republicans. But I think something very significance

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<v Speaker 1>happened here in the last couple of weeks. Trump has

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<v Speaker 1>succeeded where Franklin Roosevelt failed. You remember, Roosevelt in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight tried to purge the Democratic Party very directly,

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<v Speaker 1>very openly, of all the conservative Democrats opposed a new deal,

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<v Speaker 1>and he got his head added to him. All the

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<v Speaker 1>candidates he opposed with one exception, and he never.

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<v Speaker 2>Did that again.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the other thing to keep in mind is

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<v Speaker 1>something that Michael Barrown pointed out years ago, which was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, everyone always likes to say, gosh, what comes

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<v Speaker 1>after Trump?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, people who have tried to run like Trump

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<v Speaker 1>have a mixed record at best. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong way of thinking about it, because the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing was said about Franklin Roosevelt was God, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Harry Truman is no great successor to him, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>no more Roosevelt than a round. But Michael Barron points

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<v Speaker 1>out that Roosevelt did, in the long run, succeed in

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<v Speaker 1>changing the Democratic Party into a fully liberal party. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why Barne says the high tide of the New

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<v Speaker 1>Deal coalition was in the late nineteen fifties, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>got all the usual Michael Barone type evidence for that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's what you're seeing here by ousting

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<v Speaker 1>all those stors the state senators in Indiana, by defeating Massey, who,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, I mean, he does seem to, among

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<v Speaker 1>vocally anti Israel and anti Semitic, and that's one reason

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad he lost. In any case, I actually think

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<v Speaker 1>that Trump is transforming to Republican Party in ways that

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then last point, this election may go badly, but

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<v Speaker 1>next census is done, you're going to have something like

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<v Speaker 1>ten or twelve House seats, an electoral vote shift from

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<v Speaker 1>that much harder for Democrats to win the presidency even

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<v Speaker 1>with these close elections we've been having, and almost impossible

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<v Speaker 1>to win the House of Representatives. So the long term

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<v Speaker 1>prospects for the party are actually really good, and so

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<v Speaker 1>this is just going to be a tough year. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think you take your lumps when.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to take them.

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<v Speaker 4>Can I offer quickly an alternative view back to Paxton

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<v Speaker 4>for a moment. I am not as convinced as you

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<v Speaker 4>guys that Paxton will lose. Remember I said it before

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<v Speaker 4>on this podcast that Cornyn Cornyn had to spend a

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<v Speaker 4>a percentage point? I forget it was very, very close

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<v Speaker 4>between Cornyn and Paxston number one. And I'm not as

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<v Speaker 4>convinced as you guys that it's going to be that

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<v Speaker 4>bad of a year. I do think a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>it's going to depend upon whether Trump can get some

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<v Speaker 4>kind of resolution to the Iran war, get the economy

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<v Speaker 4>back on track. We've got some time to go, and

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<v Speaker 4>if he has all of these better in his view

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<v Speaker 4>or probably my view as well, Republican candidates. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>you're the only John out of the famous Johns that

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<v Speaker 4>I actually like. I told you guys, John Thune, John Burrazzo,

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<v Speaker 4>John John Cornyan. Ugh, I hate them all, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>but I'm trying not to let my personal feelings obscure

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<v Speaker 4>the analysis. I'm coming Acro. I think I think Paxton

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<v Speaker 4>has a very good chance of winning. If you've got

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<v Speaker 4>a choice between voting for the guy who thinks that

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<v Speaker 4>there are six genders and that God is binary non binary,

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<v Speaker 4>and is a vegetarian in Texas or a vegan in texts.

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<v Speaker 4>Come on, there's no way in Austin. I promise to you.

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<v Speaker 4>Tallerico will win Austin. But there are other parts of Texas.

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<v Speaker 4>That being said, back to what you were saying about

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<v Speaker 4>his ethical problems, which brings me to what my next

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<v Speaker 4>discussion was going to be. We've got some some crazy

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<v Speaker 4>things going on in elections. Let's start with Mayine because

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<v Speaker 4>you mentioned Maine. So this guy, Graham Platner, Nazi excuse me, sorry,

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<v Speaker 4>family show, masturbates and porta potties because the smell it

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<v Speaker 2>I think has missed this news.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope.

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<v Speaker 5>So I'm sorry. I don't mean you want to know

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<v Speaker 5>what you're talking about. I know it's too I don't

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<v Speaker 5>want to hear it. I don't want to know.

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<v Speaker 4>The guy's just a pig, there's no way around it.

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<v Speaker 4>He's just I mean, all of his Instagram postings, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's all been erased, but the Internet's forever. He's just

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<v Speaker 4>a vile human being. And there was an article, a

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<v Speaker 4>puff piece about him in Time magazine this morning. I

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<v Speaker 4>have to talk about this because I've owned three labs

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<v Speaker 4>in my life. So she tries to make it sound

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<v Speaker 4>like he's such a tough guy because his black labrador

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<v Speaker 4>tries to take a wrapped breakfast sandwich off the table,

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<v Speaker 4>and supposedly Platner sticks his hand in the dog's mouth

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<v Speaker 4>to take it out, so you can't have that, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>lots of profanity. You can't have that. It's it's not

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<v Speaker 4>great for you. And then supposedly Platner keeps talking all

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<v Speaker 4>the time while his hand is bleeding. There is no

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<v Speaker 4>way on earth that there is any truth to that story.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, no either, that the guy is such a

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<v Speaker 4>like Biden's German shepherds, because I could stick my hand

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<v Speaker 4>in the mouth of my German shepherd if he had

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<v Speaker 4>something in his mouth he shouldn't have, and I would

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<v Speaker 4>not even get so much as a scratch. And you

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<v Speaker 4>a lab no way anyway, sir. Sorry, that just made

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<v Speaker 4>me so angry when I read it. It got me

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<v Speaker 4>off on the wrong foot to start this morning. Back

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<v Speaker 4>to Platner, though he's a terrible candidate, but he pushed

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<v Speaker 4>Janet Mills, who is, in fact, you know, the sort

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<v Speaker 4>of quintessential establishment democrat, out of the race. I know,

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<v Speaker 4>Vermont's a crazy place and they're all whatever, same difference,

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<v Speaker 4>same difference, But that's what I meant. So there's that.

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<v Speaker 4>So the ethical problems of Ken Paxton compared to the

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<v Speaker 4>genuine personality problems and character problems of Platiner don't even

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<v Speaker 4>come close if you ask me number one. Then we

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<v Speaker 4>move over to the other disruptor in uh in American

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<v Speaker 4>sort of out Trump's Trump being a complete disruptor, complete

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<v Speaker 4>refusal to play politics by the usual rules, that those

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<v Speaker 4>people are actually gaining some sort of small part of

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<v Speaker 2>What do you guys think, Well, Alens is going to

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<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, it's just I'm enjoining a hypocrisy

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<v Speaker 2>Must is a Nazi because he did. You know, he

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<v Speaker 1>Got the actual tattoo and Okay, enough of that nonsense.

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<v Speaker 2>The Spencer pract thing is fun. My favorite part of

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that a lot of these viral ads you've

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<v Speaker 1>out of their freaking mind right because they're gonna, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>We've got to regulate this. They gotta you know, what

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<v Speaker 1>are people spending? And uh and and I don't know

425
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<v Speaker 1>how they're gonna deal with all that. I'm gonna ask

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<v Speaker 1>my election lawyer.

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<v Speaker 4>I was gonna say, why don't you get Allison on

428
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<v Speaker 4>to tell us how you might actually stop those those

429
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<v Speaker 4>AI gurus that are making those amazing films, those AI films,

430
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<v Speaker 4>how they can be regulated if and they don't cost

431
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<v Speaker 4>very much money. You've seen, you guys have seen a

432
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<v Speaker 4>couple of AI generated historical films I've made for my students,

433
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<v Speaker 4>and they cost me nothing. You know, if you've got

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<v Speaker 4>the if you've got the software. So that's that, in

435
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<v Speaker 4>and of its elf, is going to have a huge

436
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<v Speaker 4>impact because people I was thinking about the whole what's

437
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<v Speaker 4>his name? The guy who just had his last show

438
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<v Speaker 4>of Staying There And I've never seen that show. Why

439
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<v Speaker 4>I don't have regular television, I haven't in twenty years,

440
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<v Speaker 4>and I do have the Internet, and I do see

441
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<v Speaker 4>things on the Internet, and I'm old. Imagine what it's

442
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<v Speaker 4>like for anybody younger than me. Uh there, you know,

443
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<v Speaker 4>So they're gonna see Prince Spencer Pratt and they're not

444
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<v Speaker 4>going to see five million of the same commercials that

445
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<v Speaker 4>come on every two minutes on a on a television

446
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<v Speaker 4>show anymore. So it's not going to work. And it's

447
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<v Speaker 4>much cheaper.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, sorry, Well see I thought that two or three

449
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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago. I thought Pratt was unlikely to win, and

450
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<v Speaker 1>I've changed my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he is going to win.

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<v Speaker 1>Partly it is because Mayor Bass is so dreadful and

453
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<v Speaker 1>the progressive alternative turns out to be pretty lame as well.

454
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<v Speaker 1>But also this has the vibe in my mind of

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<v Speaker 1>the night eighteen ninety eight Minnesota governor's race when Jesse

456
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<v Speaker 1>Ventura ran as.

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<v Speaker 2>An independent and everyone thought it was a joke.

458
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<v Speaker 1>And you had the two major party candidates sniping at

459
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<v Speaker 1>each other, and the voters of Minnesota just said the

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<v Speaker 1>heck with these guys.

461
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<v Speaker 2>I'm tired of them, or for.

462
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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Ventura, and he and Jesse Ventura didn't have social media.

463
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<v Speaker 1>That was before it all started, right, Well, yeah, sure,

464
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<v Speaker 1>and he was allowsy governor, but still this has that

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<v Speaker 1>vibe to me, I think, and you know, I'm kind

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<v Speaker 1>of I don't know Rick Caruso, but there was always

467
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<v Speaker 1>talk that he was either going to run for governor

468
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<v Speaker 1>or run for Merrigan, and they did neither one, and

469
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<v Speaker 1>he kind of froze the field for both both races,

470
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<v Speaker 1>I think, and I think that was unfortunate, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity for Pratt and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think he's going to win.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if Pratt's going to win, but it

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<v Speaker 5>made me think about the state of California politics, because

475
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<v Speaker 5>it's incredible that Bass is still in first.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>Part of the city burnt down, Yeah, in part due

478
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<v Speaker 5>to the lack of spending on uh the d right.

479
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<v Speaker 5>They're spending a lot more attension on DEI programs in

480
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<v Speaker 5>the LA fire Department than on fire prevention. We know

481
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<v Speaker 5>all the stories with the lack of water and the

482
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<v Speaker 5>reservoirs and the mayor being off at some wedding in Africa,

483
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<v Speaker 5>and on and on, and yet she's still in first.

484
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<v Speaker 5>That's an incredible thing and so to me, But what maybe,

485
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<v Speaker 5>And so I was wondering, what does it take for

486
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<v Speaker 5>a Republican candidate to break through? And maybe the secret

487
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<v Speaker 5>is to just lampoon them, right, lampoon the establishment, lampoon Democrats,

488
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<v Speaker 5>because when we do, when we make when we run

489
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<v Speaker 5>campaigns with serious candidates on serious platforms, it doesn't make

490
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<v Speaker 5>a dent. Right then we're probably going to one state

491
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<v Speaker 5>wide office in so long. Maybe the way to reach

492
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<v Speaker 5>younger voters is to ridicule the Democratic establishment and to

493
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<v Speaker 5>mock how they've destroyed the state. And maybe that's maybe

494
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<v Speaker 5>that's what practice shows, is that you can't win in

495
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<v Speaker 5>California in this one party state with What it reminds

496
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<v Speaker 5>me about is like the way the the dissidents in

497
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<v Speaker 5>Eastern Europe and communism right would had to conduct themselves

498
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<v Speaker 5>because of the oppressiveness of the political system. But I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not sure Pratt's going to win. But even if he

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<v Speaker 5>comes in a good second, that's going to make a difference,

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<v Speaker 5>I think in turning the state around, if it's possible

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<v Speaker 5>to turn it around.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, I don't think. I don't think Bass is

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<v Speaker 2>really in the lead.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know there's some polls showing that, but

506
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<v Speaker 1>mayor's races, especially in California, are very hard to pull,

507
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<v Speaker 1>and this race in particular because one problem with La

508
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<v Speaker 1>but also Philadelphia, your hometown, is that recent mayors races

509
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<v Speaker 1>have had really low turnout. I think Philadelphia the last

510
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<v Speaker 1>couple of races of an under twenty percent turnout of

511
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<v Speaker 1>eligible voters, and I think this is going to see

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<v Speaker 1>much higher turnout. I think the posters are now having

513
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<v Speaker 1>a hard time figuring out what's the electric going to be?

514
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<v Speaker 2>And I think the electric is going to be bigger.

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<v Speaker 2>And oh, there's your neighbor.

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<v Speaker 5>Showed up another Lucretia Fann interruption.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

518
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<v Speaker 5>Wait, you know he said he loved he loves the show.

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<v Speaker 4>That's nice. Uh So, I yeah, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 4>he's gonna win either. What Steve says makes a lot

521
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<v Speaker 4>of sense. But I read an article the other day, John,

522
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<v Speaker 4>I wish I could remember it was a good article.

523
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<v Speaker 4>I wish I remember who wrote it said very much

524
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<v Speaker 4>the same thing that that, you know, voters in California

525
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<v Speaker 4>know how corrupt and incompetent and ideologically driven the Democratic

526
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<v Speaker 4>Party is, from the governor on down. They know that

527
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<v Speaker 4>they're that. You know, think about when Gavin Newsoen won

528
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<v Speaker 4>re election after after the whole uh scandal with the

529
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<v Speaker 4>party at the famous restaurant, and you know when everybody else, yes,

530
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<v Speaker 4>the French laundry, everybody else was. I was in California

531
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<v Speaker 4>a couple of times then to visit my daughter, and

532
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:56.880
<v Speaker 4>it was so locked down and ridiculous. It was, I mean,

533
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<v Speaker 4>it was unbelievable the things that he was imposing on people,

534
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<v Speaker 4>and on and on and on. And he's still won.

535
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<v Speaker 4>Why because voters in California go and, oh, yeah, I

536
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<v Speaker 4>know this guy is incompetent. I know this guy's an

537
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<v Speaker 4>ideological hack. I know that it's gonna just get worse.

538
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<v Speaker 4>I know he's gonna richest friends, but they vote for

539
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<v Speaker 4>him anyway because there's no option. And what you said, John,

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<v Speaker 4>is that the brilliance of Spencer Pratt is that he's

541
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<v Speaker 4>not just going with the same old, tired this is

542
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<v Speaker 4>what's wrong with Karen Bass. This is what's wrong with

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<v Speaker 4>He's he's mocking them. He's mocking them in a way

544
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<v Speaker 4>that most of it's true, first of all, but it's

545
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<v Speaker 4>all hilarious and funny, and you know, like you say,

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<v Speaker 4>they look like East East European communists who are just

547
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<v Speaker 4>you know, the whole thing with Gavin Newsome and you know,

548
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:53.519
<v Speaker 4>eating cake and frosting all over his cake at face

549
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<v Speaker 4>and it was brilliant. And again, millions and millions and

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<v Speaker 4>millions of you it's not we don't know how many

551
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<v Speaker 4>of those are by Los Angeleans, but millions and millions

552
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<v Speaker 4>of views of those AI generated videos. Some of them

553
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<v Speaker 4>have to be making their way back to people who

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<v Speaker 4>live in la I would think who might go out

555
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<v Speaker 4>and vote and hadn't in the past for mayor, you know, Steve,

556
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<v Speaker 4>maybe you're right about that. I don't, you know, it's

557
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<v Speaker 4>hard to say so anyway, politics are crazy. If if

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<v Speaker 4>it turns out that Spencer Pratt's new way of doing

559
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<v Speaker 4>politics becomes the norm, all of Allison's former colleagues are

560
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<v Speaker 4>going to be out of business because it won't take

561
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<v Speaker 4>that much money, and all those political consultants that get

562
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<v Speaker 4>paid so much money to help Kamala ding Dong lose,

563
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<v Speaker 4>they'll be out of business too, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, I mean I think there's just a new

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<v Speaker 1>generation of what has worked in the past. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think the three I mentioned Jesse e Van Turna. But

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of having a funny attack on people, three

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<v Speaker 1>great models of this I think were Believe.

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<v Speaker 2>It or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Mitch McConnell in nineteen eighty four had a TV ad

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<v Speaker 1>series A Blank of the State with and it was

572
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<v Speaker 1>a bloodhound trying to find the Democratic incumbent d Huddleston

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<v Speaker 1>Where is he?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? They couldn't find him because he was kind of

575
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<v Speaker 2>old and doddering.

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<v Speaker 1>The other one was actually Paul Wellstone in Minnesota, a

577
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<v Speaker 1>college professor, very very liberal, right, and I forget.

578
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<v Speaker 2>His ad campaign, but it was him started running around.

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<v Speaker 1>People laughed at it and it gave him a big

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<v Speaker 1>name ID and the vibe caught on, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a third example, but now I'm blanking on it.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, but it's more than just funny. It's funny's good.

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<v Speaker 1>And mocking his lands, right it Yeah, it made but

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<v Speaker 1>it's also that A third one. It was Malcolm Wallap

585
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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy four whenever it was and in Wyoming, right,

586
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<v Speaker 1>which remember the Mountain West states still elected Democrats.

587
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<v Speaker 2>Often in those years into the seventies. And his was

588
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<v Speaker 2>just a shot of the.

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00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:57.680
<v Speaker 1>Open plane in Wyoming and eastern Wyoming, and the voice

590
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<v Speaker 1>over comes on and says new Osha regulations say all

591
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<v Speaker 1>workers have to have a toilet within you know, twenty

592
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<v Speaker 1>feet of their workplace or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>The next thing you see.

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<v Speaker 1>Is a cowboy going across the screen with a toilet

595
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<v Speaker 1>stapp of the side of his dog, of his horse.

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<v Speaker 2>And that brought roll about him nowhere any one.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course he was very solid guy, so that

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<v Speaker 1>was another legendary one.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Again, I think humor is always a good thing, but

601
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<v Speaker 4>this is a little bit different, and it's it's, you know,

602
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<v Speaker 4>it's sort of in your face. That the kind of

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<v Speaker 4>thing that reaches the younger generation who don't necessarily pay

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<v Speaker 4>attention to the things you're talking about in traditional ways.

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<v Speaker 4>That's my thought. Anyway, John has some breaking news for us,

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<v Speaker 4>and we apologize we don't know very much about it,

607
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<v Speaker 4>but he's never far away from his Wall Street Journal feed.

608
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<v Speaker 4>So breaking news, John tell us what it is.

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<v Speaker 5>Harvey Mansfield's retiring. Oh no, wrong breaking.

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<v Speaker 2>News, wrong breaking news. That was a while ago.

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<v Speaker 5>I know, I'm just kidding, because we were originally going

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<v Speaker 5>to talk about Harvey Mansfield and his book and his

613
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<v Speaker 5>article he posted a new Criterion. But the Wall Street

614
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<v Speaker 5>Journal during our podcast came across with an alert that

615
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<v Speaker 5>Tulsi Gabbard is going to be resigning, and it says

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<v Speaker 5>it's for personal reasons. It says her husband has cancer.

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<v Speaker 5>But I do think it also reflects a major shift

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<v Speaker 5>in the administration away from the isolationist wing. That not

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<v Speaker 5>that it came in with, but that some of the

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<v Speaker 5>personnel that Trump came with who held this view slowly departing,

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<v Speaker 5>and Tulsi might have been the most highly placed person

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<v Speaker 5>who held that view. She clearly was not, I think,

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<v Speaker 5>not in sync with the President about his foreign policy.

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<v Speaker 5>I think famously, she was on vacation posting pictures of

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<v Speaker 5>herself at the beach I think in Hawaii, while the

626
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<v Speaker 5>Venezuela right snatch and grab operation was a curing which

627
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<v Speaker 5>you would think heavily involved intelligence, and we've barely seen

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<v Speaker 5>a peep of her during the Iran War, again, another

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<v Speaker 5>area where intelligence would be extremely important, and instead we

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<v Speaker 5>see I think more of John Ratcliffe's CIA director rather

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<v Speaker 5>than his boss had their Director of National Intelligence, Tulcy Gabbert.

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<v Speaker 5>So maybe this means that again I don't mean to provoke,

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<v Speaker 5>but I do mean to I mean, but I do

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<v Speaker 5>mean to throw this out there that Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 5>the greatest new conservative president of the twenty first century.

636
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:46.320
<v Speaker 5>That's gone after the great enemy of new Conservativism, which

637
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:50.079
<v Speaker 5>was Iran. That's something even Bush and Cheney were unwilling

638
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:53.400
<v Speaker 5>to do. And look who's gone and done it, Donald Trump.

639
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<v Speaker 5>I actually thought you disagree with him or gone to

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<v Speaker 5>the wayside.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually thought what you were going to say is

642
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<v Speaker 4>that from the very beginning you have been a huge

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<v Speaker 4>fan of John Ratcliffe and not a very big fan

644
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:08.400
<v Speaker 4>of Tulsa Gabbert. So who do you think will take

645
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<v Speaker 4>over as D And I.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I actually wish that they would correct this over

647
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:17.960
<v Speaker 5>bureaucritization of intelligence and just combined the jobs again in

648
00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:21.280
<v Speaker 5>the CIA director. The short Bercrack history was the CIA

649
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.880
<v Speaker 5>director was considered the head of the whole intelligence community.

650
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:27.400
<v Speaker 5>After nine to eleven, I thought this was one of

651
00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:29.719
<v Speaker 5>the reforms that this actually didn't come back because of

652
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:32.639
<v Speaker 5>nine to eleven. This came about because of the failure

653
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:37.039
<v Speaker 5>defined WND in Iraq. And actually my old boss, Larry

654
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<v Speaker 5>Silberman was chaired this thing called the Soberman rob Commission,

655
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<v Speaker 5>and they proposed having someone do this function of coordinating

656
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:49.880
<v Speaker 5>all the intelligence agencies because the CIA director was basically

657
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:53.239
<v Speaker 5>they thought loyal to the CIA, and the CIA's intelligence

658
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:57.960
<v Speaker 5>failures had led to the failure in Iraq. I have

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<v Speaker 5>to say I disagree with my old mentor about this,

660
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:05.559
<v Speaker 5>especially now that he's died. I can disagree, yeah, but

661
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:07.519
<v Speaker 5>at the time I disagreed, like this is just a

662
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<v Speaker 5>classic example where the there's a failure and the answer

663
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<v Speaker 5>they establish it creates is to create another layer of

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<v Speaker 5>government and a new agency. I thought that was a

665
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:20.079
<v Speaker 5>mistake and rather so maybe Trump could well, Now, what

666
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<v Speaker 5>Trump's going to want to do is to give the

667
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<v Speaker 5>job to Mark Rubio because he does all the jobs.

668
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:26.440
<v Speaker 5>But I think the better thing to do would be

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<v Speaker 5>to recombine it with the SAI director and make John

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<v Speaker 5>Ratcliffe the National Intelligence Director two. I think that would

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<v Speaker 5>start to cure this over And let me also say

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<v Speaker 5>one last thing about this is maybe this has something

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<v Speaker 5>to do with the abuse of intelligence against President Trump

674
00:36:41.239 --> 00:36:44.000
<v Speaker 5>and the Russia hoax. Because you have so many layers

675
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:47.079
<v Speaker 5>of bureaucracy and the intelligence communee, so many players, this

676
00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:50.559
<v Speaker 5>just creates another one. It's possible, with all that chaos

677
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:53.079
<v Speaker 5>for people to get away with abusing the powers of

678
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:57.159
<v Speaker 5>intelligence and using it for political purposes, not controlling it better.

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<v Speaker 4>So I do have a question about that, and I'm

680
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<v Speaker 4>not this is a devil's advocate question more than anything.

681
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<v Speaker 4>Part of the reason for creating the DNI to be

682
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<v Speaker 4>overall eighteen civilian and military agencies, that's the issue and

683
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:19.000
<v Speaker 4>why they believed they needed to create yet a one

684
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:23.039
<v Speaker 4>hire who would not be either civilian or military, who

685
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:29.119
<v Speaker 4>could actually have the respect whatever it would be the

686
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:35.119
<v Speaker 4>august nature to be able to force military intelligence agencies

687
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:37.960
<v Speaker 4>to work with the civilian agencies. And then one last

688
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:40.000
<v Speaker 4>thing about that, again, I'm sort of just throwing this

689
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:42.480
<v Speaker 4>out there. It's not necessarily what I believe or don't

690
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:47.559
<v Speaker 4>believe that the CIA is technically by law forbidden from

691
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:54.840
<v Speaker 4>engaging in any kind of domestic spying domestic activities, and

692
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<v Speaker 4>so to put all of those other agencies, including you know,

693
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<v Speaker 4>launch enforcement, domestic law enforcement agencies like the FBI and

694
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<v Speaker 4>so forth under the CIA does not create a problem

695
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<v Speaker 4>in your opinion.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know Steve has thoughts on this, but this

697
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.440
<v Speaker 5>is a deep problem. I hate to bring this a

698
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<v Speaker 5>question of administrative law about whether to have single agencies

699
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:23.519
<v Speaker 5>in charge of the whole subject or to have multiple

700
00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:27.000
<v Speaker 5>small agencies. I like the latter because it reminds me

701
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:30.360
<v Speaker 5>of competition in the market. So I like having eighteen

702
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:34.639
<v Speaker 5>intelligence agencies, none better than the other, all competing with

703
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:38.039
<v Speaker 5>their own sources. And I'm not sure it was a

704
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<v Speaker 5>good idea to create the Defense Department and fold in,

705
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:43.400
<v Speaker 5>you know, the army and the neighbor Right, that's the

706
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:45.920
<v Speaker 5>original if you go back historically, there's a lot of

707
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:49.239
<v Speaker 5>work on this. Now. That was the original consolidation was

708
00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:52.880
<v Speaker 5>creating the Department of Defense and merging the Department of

709
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<v Speaker 5>Wars right in the Nationalnational Security Act.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

711
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:00.719
<v Speaker 5>And then it went even far. They were the creation

712
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:04.719
<v Speaker 5>of the Joint Chiefs, Lucretia's favorite institution right, which again

713
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:09.360
<v Speaker 5>also tried to right force centralization on the military services

714
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:12.840
<v Speaker 5>rather than letting them compete with each other. To persuade

715
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:15.719
<v Speaker 5>the president about the right policy. I've always favored the

716
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:21.000
<v Speaker 5>idea of having more competition, less powerful, but more more

717
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:23.000
<v Speaker 5>and then you know, think about that's actually what happens

718
00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:24.960
<v Speaker 5>with law enforcement, which I think runs pretty well. We

719
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:27.880
<v Speaker 5>have atf and we have the FBI, and we have

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00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:30.679
<v Speaker 5>the Secret Service. I'd rather have them all fighting each

721
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:34.159
<v Speaker 5>other because from that you get liberty, I think, rather

722
00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.960
<v Speaker 5>than one giant central law enforcement power. That kind of

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00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:40.639
<v Speaker 5>worries me. And I think it's true of intelligence too well.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't you also get the silo effect and all those

725
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:46.599
<v Speaker 4>other things where they don't share information. That was the

726
00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:50.199
<v Speaker 4>whole point of the DNI, right that we would now share.

727
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<v Speaker 4>We would not have these agencies sharing information, you wouldn't

728
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<v Speaker 4>have another nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 5>You uttered to share the information amongst the competitors rather

730
00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:03.199
<v Speaker 5>than to force it from the top down. So the

731
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<v Speaker 5>problem really was after nine to eleven was not the

732
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:10.119
<v Speaker 5>failure to collect the intelligence. It was a failure of analysis, right,

733
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<v Speaker 5>And that's always a problem with these surprises, is that

734
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<v Speaker 5>you actually turn out you find that you did have

735
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:17.920
<v Speaker 5>the intelligence in the system, but you didn't have enough

736
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<v Speaker 5>people thought outside the box really to pick up the patterns.

737
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<v Speaker 5>That's also a classic neo con analysis about the pearl

738
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<v Speaker 5>Harbor attack.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>This was the Missus Wolfstutter's famous book, not mister Wolster,

741
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<v Speaker 5>but Missus Wollstetter's famous book about why Pearl Harbor succeeded

742
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:41.440
<v Speaker 5>was that you didn't have enough, you know, outside the

743
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<v Speaker 5>back animal analysts looking at the intelligence we already had

744
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:46.559
<v Speaker 5>about what the Japanese were up to. So I'm not

745
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<v Speaker 5>sure imposing it from the top down is the way

746
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:54.079
<v Speaker 5>to defeat this problem of silos. You know, back of

747
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:57.480
<v Speaker 5>nine to eleven, we immediately discovered we had intelligence about

748
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<v Speaker 5>four of the hot jackers being in the country, but

749
00:41:00.880 --> 00:41:02.960
<v Speaker 5>the CIA and the FBI were not sharing intelligence at

750
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<v Speaker 5>the ground level. I think if you'd had a D

751
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:09.800
<v Speaker 5>and I think you weren't. Yeah, that's so if you

752
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<v Speaker 5>D and I, I don't know that would have made

753
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:13.599
<v Speaker 5>a difference back then. I don't know if having a

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<v Speaker 5>D and I at the time of the Iraq invasion

755
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:18.719
<v Speaker 5>would have caused us to make the right you know,

756
00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:21.039
<v Speaker 5>to make the right decisions about the intelligence about W

757
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:23.800
<v Speaker 5>and D. Then either it might have just slowed every

758
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:26.559
<v Speaker 5>it made anything, might have made things worse. It seems

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00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:28.440
<v Speaker 5>to me since then I.

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<v Speaker 1>Always thought that, uh, the CIA has got lots of

761
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:33.679
<v Speaker 1>problems and lots of rot in it. And so yeah,

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00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:37.599
<v Speaker 1>I like the competition too, and I I remain well

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00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:41.039
<v Speaker 1>of the view that uh, Trump's appointment of Gavard was

764
00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:43.639
<v Speaker 1>actually a shrewd move because it it would recreate some

765
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:47.760
<v Speaker 1>competition and disagreement on faction the administration in the same

766
00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:50.199
<v Speaker 1>way the Reagan deliberately did that, right, you know, he

767
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:52.679
<v Speaker 1>had Bill Casey and who Bobby.

768
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:55.719
<v Speaker 2>Ray Inman but wasn't Inman running the NSA.

769
00:41:56.239 --> 00:42:00.679
<v Speaker 1>Inman and Casey hated each other, right, and Reagan always

770
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:02.840
<v Speaker 1>liked those biberlies, you know, Chelton of Weinberg, are always

771
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:05.440
<v Speaker 1>at each other's throats. And Rage said, no, I don't

772
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:07.559
<v Speaker 1>want them to agree, I want them to disagree. And

773
00:42:08.519 --> 00:42:10.400
<v Speaker 1>so I thought that Trump, you know, it says Trump

774
00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:12.800
<v Speaker 1>values loyalty above all else, and that's probably true in

775
00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:15.000
<v Speaker 1>the ordinary sense, but I thought that was true to

776
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:18.519
<v Speaker 1>having uh, you know, Rubio, who's I you know, obviously

777
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:21.519
<v Speaker 1>got some Neocon sympathies at least in his past. Uh

778
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<v Speaker 1>And Ratcliffe, I don't, I don't have a I don't

779
00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:26.639
<v Speaker 1>really have a view of that guy. But Dulster's Gabbard's

780
00:42:26.679 --> 00:42:29.599
<v Speaker 1>a known person. I think the thing to watch is

781
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:31.960
<v Speaker 1>is some of the senior staff under her now going

782
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:34.480
<v Speaker 1>to be shown the door or they be leaving with her?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I do know that some of the most fervent

784
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:41.280
<v Speaker 1>isolationists are working for her in the White House approved

785
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:44.440
<v Speaker 1>their appointments right here. There's some of the Pentagon also,

786
00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:46.760
<v Speaker 1>but it seems less so to meet. I think people

787
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:49.519
<v Speaker 1>attack Elbridge Colby, and I don't think that that attack

788
00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:49.960
<v Speaker 1>is cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's right. I know people who say that, I

790
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:53.800
<v Speaker 2>just want to.

791
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<v Speaker 1>True, but but it is true if some of the

792
00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:01.000
<v Speaker 1>people gathered high high and I know.

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<v Speaker 5>Remember there's that guy Krabs who resigned at the start

794
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:07.599
<v Speaker 5>of the Iranian War saying that, I mean basically repeating

795
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:10.679
<v Speaker 5>the most far left attacks on Trump about the Iranian War.

796
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:12.039
<v Speaker 5>That was her deputy.

797
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:19.480
<v Speaker 4>So that while you're on that point, Steve, that does

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<v Speaker 4>Trump then need to be concerned about the fact that

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<v Speaker 4>if if Gabbard leaves and all of those people leave

800
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:29.440
<v Speaker 4>with him, that he will further alienate that part of

801
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:33.679
<v Speaker 4>his base that is somewhat isolationist. I mean, is that

802
00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:36.960
<v Speaker 4>a danger if he doesn't put somebody in who's who

803
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:42.079
<v Speaker 4>continues to speak the Joe Kent line. Shall we say.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I don't. I don't think so.

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00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:49.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the polls show that Trump's got overwhelming support

806
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:51.480
<v Speaker 1>from Republicans on the Iran war. I don't think this

807
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:53.360
<v Speaker 1>has hurting very much of his base at all. I

808
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:56.000
<v Speaker 1>think I think what hurts him is the economic fallout

809
00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:58.480
<v Speaker 1>from it. That I think we'll have to see how

810
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:00.800
<v Speaker 1>it all goes. But no, so I don't think it

811
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:03.239
<v Speaker 1>needs to find another person like that to be as

812
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:04.320
<v Speaker 1>a constituency at all.

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<v Speaker 4>So if let me one last question on this, and

814
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<v Speaker 4>then we've got to get start getting out of here.

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<v Speaker 4>You said that you don't necessarily trust the CIA. John

816
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:16.760
<v Speaker 4>hinted at that as well. Why would you then want

817
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<v Speaker 4>to put the CIA director John as the over the

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<v Speaker 4>sort of overarching person over these military excuse me, these

819
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<v Speaker 4>intelligence agencies, over the intelligence community as we intelligence community

820
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<v Speaker 4>will speak of it.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, you you know, you fancy people like Lucretian You

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<v Speaker 5>actually just call the IC. That's when you know you're

823
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<v Speaker 5>really in the tent, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the.

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<v Speaker 5>Listeners will want to discuss heavily in the comments how

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<v Speaker 5>long Lucretia has been in the CIA, and why would

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<v Speaker 5>you point an agent who is so high profile and

828
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<v Speaker 5>so obviously a CIA agent. But that's a double trick,

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<v Speaker 5>isn't it. Actually I have to say one thing about

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<v Speaker 5>CIA agents i've met, you know, people in the Directorate

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<v Speaker 5>of Operations, you know, the actual field people, is that

832
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:11.639
<v Speaker 5>they are supposed to be uh, you know, just so

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<v Speaker 5>bland and boring. You wouldn't be able to remember them

834
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<v Speaker 5>and describe them after right, And it's been true. The

835
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:20.000
<v Speaker 5>ones I've met are sort of bland and boring and

836
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<v Speaker 5>would just sort of fit so, Lucretie, you really couldn't

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<v Speaker 5>be a CIA agent unless you're trying to infiltrate the

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<v Speaker 5>very highest levels of the Straussian order, where your very

839
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<v Speaker 5>distinctiveness and brightness would make you one of the best

840
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<v Speaker 5>Trousian ideas of a leader. I still have to say

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of minute, John, you knew I was going

842
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<v Speaker 5>to throw in an attack on Straussian's by the end

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<v Speaker 5>of the show. Come on.

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<v Speaker 1>What I want to pick up on, John is when

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<v Speaker 1>when you say the field agents are supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>boring and you know, playing Vanilla.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't you ever be Little Mark correct? Yeah with that description?

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<v Speaker 4>Right, and so so that was true up until the

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<v Speaker 4>Biden administration. And one of the things that the Biden

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<v Speaker 4>administration did this is this is interesting? Is they just

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<v Speaker 4>the and this was under the d n I what's

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<v Speaker 4>her name, Avril Haynes. They very much wanted diversity, uh

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<v Speaker 4>in the in the intelligence community. But you're I've talked

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<v Speaker 4>about this before a long time ago. The c I

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<v Speaker 4>A ran a series of ads with this woman, Stephanie

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<v Speaker 4>something or other. Uh I met, Yeah, and she was uh,

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<v Speaker 4>Hispanic immigrant, uh, mentally unstable self admittedly mentally unstable, took

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<v Speaker 4>a single mom, took medications for anxiety and other kinds

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<v Speaker 4>of and she was in fact the perfect c I

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<v Speaker 4>A CIA agent for the Biden administration.

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<v Speaker 5>Pardon really, this was an actual CIA recruiting Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 5>CIA shouldn't be running pr ads campaigns and recruiting publicly

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<v Speaker 5>in the first place. But this was their model age

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<v Speaker 5>a model.

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<v Speaker 4>And she she would go out and do she would

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<v Speaker 4>go to these different things at universities and do recruiting

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<v Speaker 4>events and prove that because she was, you know, not smart,

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<v Speaker 4>not all these other things, but she was in fact,

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<v Speaker 4>mentally what did they call it, divergent, mentally divergent, You're divergent,

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<v Speaker 4>that's it. That she was the perfect CIA agent sorry,

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<v Speaker 4>go ahead, Steve.

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<v Speaker 5>I used to use for crazy, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to bait John again.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the CIA it's been all downhill since they

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<v Speaker 1>cash here James Jesus Angleton back in the seventies, I

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<v Speaker 1>knew that would horrify you.

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<v Speaker 2>John.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, come on, I knew, I knew.

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<v Speaker 2>I get that reaction.

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<v Speaker 5>Very good. That's had some great successes, but we have

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<v Speaker 5>to have a CIA. Really, Okay, you're not like that

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<v Speaker 5>guy who said gentlemen don't open each other's mail, are you, Stimpson?

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<v Speaker 5>Let me get back to unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me get back to the opening question, which is,

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<v Speaker 1>why would you trust uh Ratcliffe.

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<v Speaker 2>Only if he's trustworthy?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean again, my model here was Bill Casey under Reagan,

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<v Speaker 1>and Reagan.

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<v Speaker 2>Loved him, trusted him. But what about Casey? Now he

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<v Speaker 2>knew what was wrong with the CIA.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a very famous story I think Michael Ledeen

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<v Speaker 1>told me because by the way, you know Casey, he

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<v Speaker 1>moved the whole separate office down into Rossland to be

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<v Speaker 1>closer to the White House, but also out of Langley

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<v Speaker 1>so he could have you know, he brought trusted people there,

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<v Speaker 1>a whole separate CIA within a CIA, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Ledeen was in talking to him one day and

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<v Speaker 1>had some idea that somebody had for one of the

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<v Speaker 1>other foreign intelligence services, and Casey.

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<v Speaker 2>Said, that's a great idea.

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<v Speaker 6>Don't let the CIA hear about it. So if Blacklip

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<v Speaker 6>is that kind of guy, it doesn't actually matter how

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<v Speaker 6>the organizational chart works. If Trump has confidence in him,

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<v Speaker 6>that's what you want.

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<v Speaker 5>He's a good guy. I think you, Yeah, you want

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<v Speaker 5>someone who doesn't. I think that the way I think

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<v Speaker 5>of it as a difference between Powell and Rumsfeld. Powell

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<v Speaker 5>thought his job was to represent the bureaucracy, and if

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<v Speaker 5>you had someone like that as head directors, say, that

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<v Speaker 5>would be a disaster. Ramsfeld treated the bureaucracy as an adversary.

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<v Speaker 5>It's something to be beaten in the forum, right, which

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<v Speaker 5>then with someone if that's Ratcliffe, which I get the

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<v Speaker 5>sense of that's more his character, then that's the person

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<v Speaker 5>you do want in charge of the.

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<v Speaker 4>Quiet and behind the scenes. Yes, all of those I

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<v Speaker 4>agree with you about that, but that that does worry

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<v Speaker 4>me in the future. Okay, Steve's you know what can

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<v Speaker 4>I say? Steve is good has I don't want to

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<v Speaker 4>make him late for a swanky thing, but I do have.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not going to call it a new feature. But

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<v Speaker 4>before I move directly into the Babylon Bees, I'm going

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<v Speaker 4>to just mention something. First of all, Steve managed his

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<v Speaker 4>three historical analogies, so we're okay there. He has not

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<v Speaker 4>mentioned Sidney Sweeney and I won't. Oh, I just did.

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<v Speaker 4>But we also are supposed to be committed to some

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<v Speaker 4>discussion of the Declaration of Independence, which we were going

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<v Speaker 4>to do, but because we had to have a slightly

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<v Speaker 4>shorter format today, we didn't get to because our discussion

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<v Speaker 4>of Harvey Mansfield's peace on the Declaration was We're going

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<v Speaker 4>to do that. But I got a short one on

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<v Speaker 4>MSNBC the other day. Katie Tour asked, is that how

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<v Speaker 4>you say your name? Kat I have never seen it,

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<v Speaker 4>He's asked with sincerity. She says, what about this passage

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<v Speaker 4>from Mike Johnson declaring that our rights do not derive

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<v Speaker 4>from government, they come from our creator? Is this putting him?

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<v Speaker 4>Is this him putting God above the Declaration of Independence?

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<v Speaker 1>It's MS now whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, Okay, Sorry, bab

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you guys are ready.

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<v Speaker 4>Babylon Be's I'm gonna follow on Abigail Adams starting to

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<v Speaker 4>believe husband made up this whole Continental Congress thing as

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<v Speaker 4>an excuse just to hang out with the boys.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought that was Nathan. Nathan Nation looks forward to

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<v Speaker 4>not watching Stephen Colbert one last time. That's me. I've

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<v Speaker 4>never once seen that show. But goodbye. Don't let the

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<v Speaker 4>door hit your and way out. Hunter Biden's reputation in ruins.

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<v Speaker 4>After talking to Candice Owens, that's funny. Come on, okay

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<v Speaker 4>for your California guys couple, Zillow adds new feature for

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<v Speaker 4>California homes showing whether they are currently on fire.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's I.

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<v Speaker 4>Know, it's not funny. White smoke rises from Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 4>signaling Karen bass is still mayor. You had to put

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<v Speaker 4>those two together, and then finally it's a picture of

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<v Speaker 4>Karen Boughs and the Spencer. Pratt said. New polls show

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<v Speaker 4>dead heat between make Everything Worse candidate and Fix Everything candidate. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>Massy defeats a. Massy blames defeat on Jews of rural Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 4>I finally didn't talk about it, but you'll get you'll

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<v Speaker 4>get the reference. UK authorities issue stern warning to British

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<v Speaker 4>people to stop being stabbed by Muslims.

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<v Speaker 1>But by the way, there actually is a thriving Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>community in Louisville, Kentucky, so that you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure the Bee knows that, right. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>funny where you find but.

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<v Speaker 4>It probably is not a majority.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it's not in his district, so which is somewhere else?

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, okay, I'm finished.

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<v Speaker 5>John, Okay, always drink your whiskey, knee, buy more books,

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<v Speaker 5>and Steve are sign off tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to bed the previous sign off, which is

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<v Speaker 1>I will see you both next week in Italy and

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<v Speaker 1>listeners will see us then too.

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<v Speaker 2>Ricochet join the conversation.
