Speaker 1: Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bubo.
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Speaker 4: Greatest question today listening.
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Speaker 2: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 3: Greetings, bobes. How you doing? Man?
Speaker 2: Oh good? How's going not so bad?
Speaker 4: Not so bad.
Speaker 3: Finally got out to the woods again, looking at that.
Speaker 3: That's looking good. Weird tree breaks, super weird things are happening.
Speaker 3: Local stories are starting to trickle in. There's always something
Speaker 3: going on, man, always something going on. So kind of exciting.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty stoked.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: I needed to walk around in the woods. I needed
Speaker 3: to clear my head. I needed to get my eyes
Speaker 3: on the ground looking for footprints. Found a possible fourteen
Speaker 3: inch print one of our local spots last week, and
Speaker 3: then this week found some other possible thing. Nothing you
Speaker 3: can hang your hat on. Nothing you can hang your hat.
Speaker 3: But still, it's good to be out in the woods, man.
Speaker 3: And the weather's changing. We got spring. Now, we got
Speaker 3: the good weather looking at us for the next six
Speaker 3: or eight months. Some sunlight, yeah, sunlight has been beautiful
Speaker 3: and blue Skies lately and got a great friend on
Speaker 3: the podcast today. Everything's going good man, Everything's coming up,
Speaker 3: Cliff from Bobo, what about you, man.
Speaker 2: I'm working with this new Well, no, he's a kid
Speaker 2: I was working with before, but the kid that's in
Speaker 2: the big Foot at school. Yeah, and he's obsessed with
Speaker 2: mountain monsters. So I was going to give a called
Speaker 2: a wild Bill like the city talked to him for
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, Bill will sign some autographs or something for
Speaker 3: him too. You know. I'm going to see those guys
Speaker 3: in April. I'm doing that gig out in Colorado and
Speaker 3: ESS's Park in April.
Speaker 2: They're going to Yeah, yeah, awesome, that's great.
Speaker 3: I think Berea is there and the Mountain Monster folks
Speaker 3: and I'm going to be and if there's anybody else,
Speaker 3: I don't know, because I haven't seen the fly or anything.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know what's going on. I
Speaker 3: just you know, sign a contract and I show up
Speaker 3: and smile and stuff, you know, and shake babies and
Speaker 3: do that sort of thing. But I'll try to maybe
Speaker 3: grab a couple of autographs from those guys if I remember.
Speaker 2: Oh cool who spiked cliff coffee today?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, dude, I'm stoked. You know where I am
Speaker 3: right now? Where I'm First of all, I'm in Sandy, Oregon.
Speaker 3: That's one part, and that is my hometown, or at
Speaker 3: least that's the town I live in. I choose to
Speaker 3: live in. But I am sitting in the record and
Speaker 3: I'm not sitting in the record shop. I'm sitting in
Speaker 3: a record shop in Sandy, which is probably one of
Speaker 3: the best vinyl shops, like certainly locally. I mean, I'm
Speaker 3: sure there's things like a Miba record and all that
Speaker 3: sort of stuff, like the Giant warehouse sort of things,
Speaker 3: but as far as a local little shop, I'm sitting
Speaker 3: in there now with the lovely and talented Scott mint On,
Speaker 3: often referred to as Minty Fresh.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, that shop spright when you're going north, like if
Speaker 2: you're heading up towards the mountain, it's on the right
Speaker 2: hand side on that one way street. Right.
Speaker 3: That is absolutely correct. It's a skateboard shop, skateboard museum,
Speaker 3: and vinyl record shop all in one.
Speaker 2: That place is killer in there.
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting here right now, so how could I
Speaker 3: not be excited right, and by the way, here he is, Scott.
Speaker 3: Thanks for coming on, man, I really really, really really
Speaker 3: appreciate It's been a long time that we've been trying
Speaker 3: to get you on the shop, the show here.
Speaker 4: I'm super excited to be here. Thanks for being persistent.
Speaker 4: You've been asking me for four or five years now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a long time.
Speaker 4: I just haven't been able to make time or for
Speaker 4: three hundred episodes or so. I don't know how how
Speaker 4: long it's actually you guys have been doing this. Feels
Speaker 4: like forever.
Speaker 3: It does feel like forever.
Speaker 4: What's up, Boves. It's good to see you, buddy, good
Speaker 4: to hear you. I know what you look like. Your
Speaker 4: images burnt into my visage so well.
Speaker 3: You know, we didn't we didn't bring Scott on to
Speaker 3: talk about the record shop or the skateboarding shop and
Speaker 3: all the way up that really should be spoken about
Speaker 3: a little bit, I think, because there's a new skate
Speaker 3: park here in Sandy and there's a lot of cool
Speaker 3: things going on here. But we brought them on because
Speaker 3: Scott has been a Bigfooter for a very very long time.
Speaker 3: And besides that, he's like most of my friends, he's
Speaker 3: an unusual weirdo.
Speaker 2: Right, he's a usual weirdo.
Speaker 3: He's the usual weirdo, and he's had some pretty crazy encounters,
Speaker 3: some of which have been recorded that we're going to
Speaker 3: play for you guys here, but I guess we should
Speaker 3: start at the beginning, like how the hell do we
Speaker 3: know you man? Because Bobo, when I met you, I
Speaker 3: think at the same time, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I met you guys within like twenty four hours,
Speaker 4: and I was thinking about that today. I had to
Speaker 4: dig in my boxes of notes. Luckily I'm a hoarder,
Speaker 4: and I just heard the good stuff art and memories
Speaker 4: and things. And it was two thousand and eight and
Speaker 4: I went on the Mendocino BFRO expedition, which at the
Speaker 4: time was just a Northern California expedition, and uh, yeah,
Speaker 4: you guys ended up being there, and uh I found
Speaker 4: out after you know, driving eleven hours or so to
Speaker 4: go to this really secluded place. It was like a
Speaker 4: treasure hunt, and ended up meeting all you guys. And
Speaker 4: then at the end of the trip, we're kind of,
Speaker 4: you know, saying goodbye, like hey, yeah, you know, where
Speaker 4: are you going. I'm like, oh, I gotta drive. I
Speaker 4: got to drive, like eleven hours and you're like Cliff,
Speaker 4: you were like, yeah, I gotta drive eleven hours too.
Speaker 4: I'm like, cool, Yeah, I gotta drive all the way
Speaker 4: back to LA. You're like, I got to drive back
Speaker 4: to LA. I was like, cool, I got to drive
Speaker 4: back to Long Beach and You're like, I got to
Speaker 4: drive back to Long Beach. I was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 4: I got to drive back to I can't remember our neighborhood,
Speaker 4: but I was like Fourth Avenue or yeah, Fourth and Zmo. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like I got to drive to Fourth and zm Ando
Speaker 4: and we lived on the same street about a block
Speaker 4: from each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It was just I was like, I guess we're friends now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're friends still. Yeah.
Speaker 4: It was so easy. I was all I had to
Speaker 4: do is just follow the Treasure map to your friendship.
Speaker 4: And Bobo's too. You guys made a very cool entrance,
Speaker 4: and I remember I think you know whord got through
Speaker 4: the camp, like I Bobo came and I like, at
Speaker 4: that time, I was interested in Bigfoot before I knew
Speaker 4: about the BFRO, but I didn't like reach out to people,
Speaker 4: and you guys were kind of the first people I
Speaker 4: somehow discovered, like on that early I feel like early
Speaker 4: days of Internet's the wrong thing to say, but it
Speaker 4: really does feel like we were like using dial up
Speaker 4: and stuff, and it was just it felt like very
Speaker 4: ancient now. But you know, I didn't know that there
Speaker 4: were people who, like, you know, kind of spent as
Speaker 4: much time doing this stuffs as all of you guys do.
Speaker 4: And therefore I didn't know that there were people that
Speaker 4: were like popular or quasi celebrity and big footing and
Speaker 4: not the you know, that's probably the wrong term, but
Speaker 4: like Bobo has a story that precedes him, you know,
Speaker 4: So like I heard who is that guy? And uh,
Speaker 4: I just remember, like I'm gonna go meet him. And
Speaker 4: I got so excited, and I drove down from wherever
Speaker 4: I was down to this camp and we I think
Speaker 4: we had the whole campsite be cause we were, you know,
Speaker 4: we were the first people into this valley. Like I
Speaker 4: went flying down there and I like parked my car
Speaker 4: and jumped out and I'm like, oh, hey, what's up, man,
Speaker 4: And You're like I don't know what's up. And you're
Speaker 4: just standing there and I'm like, damn, you're tall, and
Speaker 4: you're like, let me give you a little advice. When
Speaker 4: you're driving through a campsite, but want to take it
Speaker 4: a little slower.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you dusted us out.
Speaker 4: Yeah I did. I totally did. But I needed to
Speaker 4: learn that lesson. It was great. I was like, okay, cool, yeah,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, it's not all about me. Let me, let
Speaker 4: me take a step back. But I think it was
Speaker 4: a great way to meet you because you're like, obviously
Speaker 4: you're you, you got a great heart, and uh, it's
Speaker 4: a good time police. Yeah, definitely. And after I talked
Speaker 4: to you for five minutes, I'm like, oh, I'll be
Speaker 4: friends with it did probably forever, and it was It
Speaker 4: was just great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bobo is in fact a good time police. As
Speaker 3: long as everybody, and I mean everybody is having a
Speaker 3: good time, nobody gets their ass kicked. But if somebody
Speaker 3: pulls things sideways, you know, or makes somebody else bum out,
Speaker 3: or you know whatever, Bobo's gonna have some words and
Speaker 3: it may come to blows. I've seen that happen before, man,
Speaker 3: So Bobo is in fact a good time police. So
Speaker 3: you got luckily, you're a lovely person, Scott.
Speaker 4: I got a citation, I got I got a warning warning.
Speaker 3: Well, let let's talk about that. Expedition, because when I
Speaker 3: look back at that expedition, I know that we're in California,
Speaker 3: and I know that we're on a reservation. It's something
Speaker 3: like right outside the reds I don't remember which I
Speaker 3: remember almost nothing else about it. What was Derek Randall's there?
Speaker 4: He might have been.
Speaker 3: I can remember a big, old white truck and I
Speaker 3: thought that was Derek's or something, so I met him.
Speaker 3: I believe that was the year that Bobo and I were.
Speaker 3: We spent what seven weeks or ten fourteen weeks together
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 2: Ten.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's got ten weeks there you go. Yeah, we
Speaker 3: were everywhere from the the California Sierra Is, all the
Speaker 3: way of the British Columbia and everywhere in between. That's
Speaker 3: when I met Mike Green. That's when I met Derek Randalls.
Speaker 3: That's where I met a bunch of people that I'm
Speaker 3: still in contact with today. Wonderful people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, wonderful and uh, Bart, of course you and Matt.
Speaker 4: You know, it was my first Matt interaction.
Speaker 2: Tell us, tell us about give us a good buddymaker story, man.
Speaker 4: I to this day, I'm still amazed at the amount
Speaker 4: of energy that Matt brings to everything that he does
Speaker 4: and like big footing, particularly in the BFRO O, and
Speaker 4: just like that level of sincerity and care that he
Speaker 4: has about all this stuff is like amazing, and that
Speaker 4: comes across all the time. Like when you see Matt
Speaker 4: at eight in the morning, where you see Matt in
Speaker 4: the middle of ves some action or whatever, he's he's
Speaker 4: one hundred percent there, and I feel like that's he
Speaker 4: says exactly what he thinks. He has like no filter,
Speaker 4: and I to appreciate that in people because it's pretty honest.
Speaker 4: And it's like, man, I'd rather know exactly what you
Speaker 4: think than I think you mean something else and find
Speaker 4: it out later. You know, it's just that sincerity. And
Speaker 4: I'm a high energy person. Matt's hg energy person. So
Speaker 4: I was like, this dude's cool. And uh, he'd like
Speaker 4: set up the treasure hunt, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like he he made the flats or whatever, you know,
Speaker 4: his his BFRO brainchild. It was pretty cool. But then
Speaker 4: like I didn't realize I could like be a part
Speaker 4: of that, and like I could go look for monsters.
Speaker 4: I don't just have to read about him in a book.
Speaker 4: Like that's kind of cool. And then like I said,
Speaker 4: I was thinking through papers and I found I applied
Speaker 4: to be in the BFRO with like a business letter.
Speaker 6: He has a letter here, he has like these binders
Speaker 6: of BFRO stuff, and like, here's his. He's gonna read
Speaker 6: the letter that he applied to the BFRO. Make sure
Speaker 6: you see the date that we wanted, the date on
Speaker 6: that one.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, So, dear Matt, it was a pleasure to
Speaker 4: attend the Menacino Expedition May one through four. As promised,
Speaker 4: I am returning the SD card that I used to
Speaker 4: record on one night of the night missions. Unfortunately, aside
Speaker 4: from a snap that may have been a twig breaking,
Speaker 4: there was nothing of any substance on any of the recordings.
Speaker 4: When we parted ways, you mentioned that if I was
Speaker 4: interested in helping out with investigations and interviews, it might
Speaker 4: be possible. Unfortunately, I've not heard back from Brandon. Sorry, Buddy,
Speaker 4: didn't mean to throw it under the bus there. Regarding this.
Speaker 4: He did get back to me. I realized that it's
Speaker 4: ultimately your decision, so I'm again making my interest known.
Speaker 4: I would love to try my hand at following up
Speaker 4: in reports that would be relevant to my present location
Speaker 4: in southern California. I am a New Jersey native and
Speaker 4: am fairly familiar with the New Jersey and eastern Pennsylvania area,
Speaker 4: and I lived in the Pine barrens for four years.
Speaker 4: I think I was saying I would help up with
Speaker 4: the New Jersey stuff too. I'd be willing to teep
Speaker 4: up with and learn the ropes from other investigators as well.
Speaker 4: I'm also willing to travel if necessary. Thanks for your time, Sincerely,
Speaker 4: Scott Manton Hired. I'll get you tie that down now.
Speaker 3: You couldn't, although I will say I absolutely guarantee you
Speaker 3: Matt doesn't give a crap about the SD card at all.
Speaker 3: Oh I know, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Know it now. That's why I made a point to
Speaker 4: read that. I'm like, hey, I returned this little drafty
Speaker 4: piece of plastic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I promised that you totally forgot about by now.
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Speaker 6: Since that time, like Scott and I have of course
Speaker 6: stayed in contact. Scott was kind of like my right
Speaker 6: hand in a lot of ways. When I was running
Speaker 6: expeditions after the TV show went off the air and
Speaker 6: I'm thinking, what am I going to do? Do I
Speaker 6: go back to being a teacher or whatever? So I
Speaker 6: started running some expeditions out here in mountain Hood National Forest.
Speaker 6: And Scott is very multi talented. He's a ski patrol
Speaker 6: guy up here or was. I don't know if you
Speaker 6: still Are you still doing that?
Speaker 4: I think once you're in, you're never out unless you
Speaker 4: get jumped out. But I did not pay my dues
Speaker 4: this year, and I'm not patrolling because I broke my
Speaker 4: knee and that's.
Speaker 1: A whole other story. Yeah, but I'll probably go back
Speaker 1: to it. Well, he has like medical cards and all
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. And you know, when I do expeditions,
Speaker 1: everything above board, so to speak. So I get my
Speaker 1: permits and I do all the I jump through all
Speaker 1: the hoops at Mount Hood National Forest expects you to do,
Speaker 1: and it looks very favorable if you have someone who's
Speaker 1: kind of like an EMT sort of status or right
Speaker 1: below there. I don't know where ski patrol fun but anyway,
Speaker 1: he was my right hand out there because he's very
Speaker 1: versed at bigfoot stuff, and on top of that, he's
Speaker 1: got medical skills and people's skills and all this other
Speaker 1: stuff too. So he hosted expeditions with me for at
Speaker 1: least a year or two or something like that. What
Speaker 1: are some of the highlights that you remember from there?
Speaker 1: Because you were actually part of the discovery of a
Speaker 1: place that we nicknamed Lindsay Lake for example, that is
Speaker 1: still producing a possible handprint cast came out of there
Speaker 1: not three weeks ago, so yet it's still going. Or
Speaker 1: maybe well, probably not five weeks ago, I think to
Speaker 1: be fair, is before the snow came, but still, what
Speaker 1: are some of the memories you have of those events?
Speaker 4: Oh Man, it was North American Bigfoot at that time, right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: I didn't put the center, no center yet, I mean
Speaker 4: because that was just a dream, yeah that had or
Speaker 4: it wasn't even a dream yet, not even yet. But
Speaker 4: the North American Bigfoot stuff is great. And then like
Speaker 4: having a smaller group, it was it was a little
Speaker 4: bit tighter and in a smaller space. It was nice.
Speaker 3: We limited the twelve just yeah.
Speaker 4: It was just the right amount of people.
Speaker 3: I learned that from fishing in southern California, because you
Speaker 3: can go pay money at like you know, forty bucks
Speaker 3: or something and go on a party boat, so to speak,
Speaker 3: and there could be eight people on board, there could
Speaker 3: be sixty people on board. You just don't know.
Speaker 4: Way different experience.
Speaker 3: But if you want to fish in a more reasonable situation,
Speaker 3: you can go on a limited load thing and pay
Speaker 3: like twice as much, like eighty bucks or a hundred
Speaker 3: I mean this is back in you know, the nineties
Speaker 3: or whatever, so I'm sure it's much more expensive now,
Speaker 3: but you could spend like one hundred bucks or eighty
Speaker 3: bucks or something and go on a limited load trip
Speaker 3: of twenty four people max. And then probably catch more
Speaker 3: fish because of it, so I kind of picked that
Speaker 3: up from there.
Speaker 4: So yeah, well I was gonna say, since you're talking
Speaker 4: about money and stuff like that, I do want to
Speaker 4: touch back on when I was talking about the BFRO.
Speaker 4: When I when I found out, you know, you can
Speaker 4: pay to go on expeditions. There's always these purists and
Speaker 4: people out there will complain about anything on the Internet,
Speaker 4: of course, so people are like, oh, it's very charge
Speaker 4: of money to take people out in the woods and
Speaker 4: this and that. And I just want to say, one
Speaker 4: hundred percent, every cent I spent, every dollar I spent
Speaker 4: on BFRO stuff was totally worth it. And you know,
Speaker 4: for anyone who's ever gone on any of those trips,
Speaker 4: they know, they know how amazing it is.
Speaker 2: And oh yeah, I mean you spend three hundred bucks
Speaker 2: and you get you get all the knowledge that those
Speaker 2: people that are putting on the expedition in that area.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, I spent tens of thousands of dollars
Speaker 2: in fuel and breaks and transmissions and you know gas,
Speaker 2: you know, just eating up getting to know the area
Speaker 2: and then something's gonna come out and just absorb all that,
Speaker 2: you know, Like I'd always told people like dude, lawyers
Speaker 2: charged four or five six hundred bucks an hour, and
Speaker 2: I'm charged with less than that for way way more return.
Speaker 4: Paying for it's all right, And I have no problem
Speaker 4: saying that. And anybody that's thinking about it, you know,
Speaker 4: look into it. Do it with any organization that you
Speaker 4: think is is someone you want to support, Just you know,
Speaker 4: look and be careful who you're supporting. But the North
Speaker 4: American Bigfoot stuff, same deal. Like I feel like every
Speaker 4: cent that people put into that they got, they doubled
Speaker 4: their money in. Just like the sure enjoyment of that
Speaker 4: we found like the best spot. I don't want to
Speaker 4: give it away just to say at the doorstep of
Speaker 4: what became the honeypot that is still producing years later.
Speaker 4: That's like one of our locations that we regularly hit,
Speaker 4: and that was that was like proximity of just being
Speaker 4: there was amazing. And then having the guests come like
Speaker 4: you had, you know, round robin of like amazing people.
Speaker 4: You had doctor Jeff melderm came, Bobo came, Chris Mineir
Speaker 4: came that, Derek Randall, Randall's came. Yeah, Like every one
Speaker 4: of those trips was cool because there's a little bit
Speaker 4: different flavor to everyone's style and what they brought to it.
Speaker 3: So what are the some of the Bigfoot activity things
Speaker 3: that you may have witnessed during some of those expeditions.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well, you know the first trip that we
Speaker 4: had where we went to what we'll call Lindsay Lake
Speaker 4: because nobody knows what that is. It's not on a map.
Speaker 4: You won't find it. You know, I observed some stuff
Speaker 4: in a thermal with someone else. I was almost certain
Speaker 4: that something was happening, that I was possibly seeing a sasquatch,
Speaker 4: and I just can't be sure, but based on everything
Speaker 4: else that has happened there since then, seems totally logical
Speaker 4: that I saw a sasquatch because there's been so much
Speaker 4: evidence has come out of there. In the next day
Speaker 4: as a visual daylight visual.
Speaker 3: Daylight signing, when like we're sitting in a hut, like
Speaker 3: the client and her son and Scott and I are
Speaker 3: sitting around, I think that's it.
Speaker 4: High a mile mile down into a swamp and we
Speaker 4: were like we went into the edge of the swamp.
Speaker 4: We were like literally like walking on logs across rivers
Speaker 4: and with the grass and ferns grown like over our
Speaker 4: heads into this swampy area and you know, I'll let
Speaker 4: you tell the story because I can't.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 4: The way I remember is exactly how it happened.
Speaker 3: The way I remembered is that we're sitting there kind
Speaker 3: of like by the creek that flows out of the
Speaker 3: swamp and and we're just hanging out and then the
Speaker 3: sun says what was that or something like that?
Speaker 6: Was it was that a bear? I remember he said
Speaker 6: it was a bear, and we got excited. I had
Speaker 6: a video camera, I think with me, like, honestly, footage.
Speaker 6: I haven't thought about that. Yeah, so let's go look. Okay,
Speaker 6: so you and I split up, like I took the
Speaker 6: right hand wall and you took the left hand wall,
Speaker 6: and we kind of tried to scissor pinch the bear.
Speaker 4: I just want to say, like everyone that you would
Speaker 4: ask about like encountering wild animals in the forest would
Speaker 4: say that we did everything one hundred percent wrong, wrong,
Speaker 4: But like I'm glad we did it. Yeah, like that
Speaker 4: was crazy and cool and like we definitely could have died. No,
Speaker 4: I just made we could have died. Chasing them through
Speaker 4: the terrain was so insane. We remember it was like
Speaker 4: literally the slippery logs and then we got out of
Speaker 4: the slippery logs and there was dead fall everywhere, and
Speaker 4: you'd be like, oh, just got to get up this
Speaker 4: hill and you get to the top and then crash
Speaker 4: through and fall down into some other dead fall and
Speaker 4: meanwhile you're like, it's over there, it's over there, like running,
Speaker 4: I'd never seen you so like, I've never seen you
Speaker 4: move so fast because this at that point, how many
Speaker 4: years have we been hanging out?
Speaker 3: I always concerned my energy for situations, just like like we're.
Speaker 4: Just sitting there chilling, and you're like, it's a bobo,
Speaker 4: go and like go that way and like point and
Speaker 4: you just ran off into the woods and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 4: I'm going that way.
Speaker 3: But well, we split up at some point and where
Speaker 3: the thing had walked and walked across a log and
Speaker 3: again at this point, we're thinking it's a bear because
Speaker 3: he saw the brush movie, saw some fur whatever that
Speaker 3: kind of thing. And Scott's over way on one side.
Speaker 3: I can't even see him. We have radio. I'm way
Speaker 3: I'm like on the on this bowl shaped sort of
Speaker 3: slope above where the thing was, and we're poking around
Speaker 3: and I don't know, I can't remember what came first.
Speaker 3: But at some point, Oh you know what it was.
Speaker 6: I remember what came first, because the guy who saw
Speaker 6: it originally said, which one of you guys just walked
Speaker 6: back there?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: What do you mean? It's like, well, one of you
Speaker 3: guys walked back in the same spot that I just
Speaker 3: saw it. Which one of you was it? And like
Speaker 3: you were way across, like in the meadowy swamp area,
Speaker 3: and like, I'm over this, and so neither one of us.
Speaker 3: So we hauled over there and I goes and then
Speaker 3: we hear a knock just like bam bam, like from close.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, holy smokes, this is it man, this And
Speaker 3: again one of those times I thought we're gonna get
Speaker 3: it on the film for sure. And I went there
Speaker 3: and we found the log. There was a footprint in
Speaker 3: the moss on that log. I have photographs of it.
Speaker 3: I'll share with our members. Of course, you want to
Speaker 3: be a member, go to the website and click the
Speaker 3: appropriate things. And so, yeah, there was a footprint on
Speaker 3: the log. I was two minutes behind it, and I
Speaker 3: did not see the darn thing. Just another one of
Speaker 3: those close calls at a spot that is still active
Speaker 3: to this day, to this day.
Speaker 4: That I literally. I mean, I don't just take people
Speaker 4: there willy nilly. I'd take front trusted friends there, and
Speaker 4: it's people that don't even go bigfooting and they're not
Speaker 4: going to blow the spot up. But every time I
Speaker 4: take someone there, they're like, Hey, let's go check out
Speaker 4: this cool spot.
Speaker 2: There's a lake.
Speaker 4: You know, I might see some birds. There's definitely bats.
Speaker 4: It's so cool. At you know, sunset, there's like hundreds
Speaker 4: of bats. It's amazing. And every time I've gone there's
Speaker 4: been noises. But one of the other things that was
Speaker 4: really cool about your expeditions that I remembered were going
Speaker 4: to the Thomas site for the first time. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm fifty now, was like forty six, forty five. I
Speaker 4: don't remember how it was when this happened, but like
Speaker 4: walking up there and seeing that it just like I
Speaker 4: had I had a shift. And so I mean it's
Speaker 4: like because I remember the pictures of like them standing
Speaker 4: in the hole and like John Green or whoever standing
Speaker 4: next to it. I mean, I you tell me, I
Speaker 4: can't remember if that's who it is. And maybe in
Speaker 4: the photo Bob Tipmos maybe.
Speaker 3: No, but there's pictures of Bendernogl there. There's pictures a
Speaker 3: few other folks or the Hindon. There's a couple of
Speaker 3: pictures of him in the hole. I've never seen one
Speaker 3: of John Green that I remember.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but my bad, But I just felt like I
Speaker 4: walked into a book that I pulled off the shelf
Speaker 4: when I was.
Speaker 2: Is that the coolest? I remember going there too, when
Speaker 2: Cliff took me there and I was like, Glenn Thomas,
Speaker 2: see those rocks stuck like I remember those exact piles
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my, this is the hole.
Speaker 2: He was like, and I was like, this is the whole.
Speaker 2: The the other guys took pictures of his shoulders up.
Speaker 3: This is surreal.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 3: It's cool. It was an amazing yeah, and like it's
Speaker 3: just there and there.
Speaker 4: And to to just like put a bow on your question.
Speaker 4: What else was cool about the expeditions? It was the
Speaker 4: people too. And it sounds corny, but like looking through
Speaker 4: those photos of every trip, I'm like, oh yeah, like
Speaker 4: I remember them. That was a cool conversation. Those people
Speaker 4: were nice. Those people seemed like they were just getting
Speaker 4: into it and now they're like they're doing it, you know,
Speaker 4: like it just worked. So that was cool. Good work.
Speaker 3: It was a lot of fun. It was a lot
Speaker 3: of fun and a really neat opportunity. I took some
Speaker 3: of that money, of course, and I put it into
Speaker 3: the museum. And I got to give Scott full credit man,
Speaker 3: that the museum would not be probably alive today if
Speaker 3: it was not for him. A lot of the design
Speaker 3: concepts are his. He really got me going in the
Speaker 3: right direction. It was absolutely fantastic, and I really, you know,
Speaker 3: the entirety of the rest of my life is in
Speaker 3: part due to my friend here. And I can't sing
Speaker 3: his praises high enough.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: All of the displays and stuff are basically his designed
Speaker 3: or copied there from you know. I'm doing the design now,
Speaker 3: I guess, you know, but I basically copied just what
Speaker 3: Scott laid out in front of me. Everything that ANYBC
Speaker 3: is is because of Scott, So I can't. He's been
Speaker 3: so important in my life, you know. So it's just
Speaker 3: really really great to see where we all are today
Speaker 3: based on that chance meeting in Covolo, California in two
Speaker 3: thousand and eight. It's insane and.
Speaker 4: I appreciate the hell out of that, Cliff, and that
Speaker 4: means more than you know, essentially with the North American
Speaker 4: big Foot Center. It's like you went from like your
Speaker 4: idea to something that like became like here Melissa's idea,
Speaker 4: to like sharing it with me, and then it became
Speaker 4: our idea and we like kind of conjured this thing.
Speaker 4: And now years later you have employees, you have people
Speaker 4: that are supporting, You have people that come to you
Speaker 4: that want to work there. You have people coming and
Speaker 4: visiting you every day like this fully functioning thing, and
Speaker 4: like you said, and now it's supports you and that
Speaker 4: it just it started as an idea. You trusted me,
Speaker 4: you asked me to help you, and I won in
Speaker 4: that you know, transaction. Even though you're like you're you're
Speaker 4: like doing this thing or like yay, and I'm like
Speaker 4: I even just doing it, like I'm happy, like this
Speaker 4: is I'm stoked.
Speaker 3: Now, back when you were in southern California, you were
Speaker 3: doing the local mountains, and very very few people actually
Speaker 3: go bigfooting in the local southern California mountains. Far too few,
Speaker 3: by the way, in my opinion. So if you're down
Speaker 3: there listening in Los Angeles, get your butts to the woods.
Speaker 3: It's there. They are also there, but you went one
Speaker 3: time with Josh and old timer legendary big ear in
Speaker 3: some ways Richard Hucklebridge. Uh yeah, remember, I mean, I
Speaker 3: think a lot of people probably have recognized the name.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think probably Richard is most famous for
Speaker 3: purchasing the very early infrared equipment that actually obtained sasquatch
Speaker 3: footage from the Chehalis project, which is detailed in Tom
Speaker 3: Powell's excellent book called The Locals. Richard Hucklebridge kicked down
Speaker 3: a bunch of money for this night vision equipment back
Speaker 3: in two thousand or two thousand and one, when it
Speaker 3: was very expensive and very primitive by today's standards. But
Speaker 3: you were Richard's buddy for a long time, and we
Speaker 3: go out to the woods with them, and one night
Speaker 3: you went looking for bigfoot, but something else found you.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, That's one of the most memorable nights of
Speaker 4: my life. And I remember after it happened, we were saying, like,
Speaker 4: if we ever tell this story, no one's ever gonna
Speaker 4: believe us, because we went bigfooting and we saw you,
Speaker 4: and like, this was like the coolest thing that ever
Speaker 4: happened to me up to that point. I got to say,
Speaker 4: on that first men Acino trip, I also met a
Speaker 4: guy named Josh Rolman. He's in La, super solid guy,
Speaker 4: one of my best friends ever. Met that guy on
Speaker 4: the trip and I kind of remember, I'm like, man,
Speaker 4: that guy's a little grumpy, but like that's Josh and
Speaker 4: he's great and he's like one of my best homies.
Speaker 4: And we realized we lived and you know again, oh
Speaker 4: you have to go back to lay at me too.
Speaker 4: And we lived in pretty close proximity out of all
Speaker 4: the other people who came on that trip. So we
Speaker 4: ended up hanging out, spending a lot of time out there,
Speaker 4: and we somehow linked up with Richard another one of
Speaker 4: my favorite people picture Wilford Brimley and big footing with him.
Speaker 4: So he's awesome, and we He had a tow truck
Speaker 4: driver that would drive people up and down Angel's Crest
Speaker 4: and he eventually started, you know, contacting Richard and getting
Speaker 4: reports and then Richard would go check him out, and
Speaker 4: he got some reports of someone this po truck driver
Speaker 4: watched some bigfoots on Iron Mountain near there's a mine
Speaker 4: near Iron Mountain, which is near what's the what's the
Speaker 4: little town bright Wood or right Wood or the right Wood. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so there's that Blue Ridge Parkway that goes through the
Speaker 4: ski area, and we went out there and you're just
Speaker 4: checking it out and uh doing calls and listening, and
Speaker 4: it was super windy, so we weren't really hearing anything
Speaker 4: and we ended up seeing this crazy light in the sky. Well.
Speaker 3: Now, one of the cool things about this particular UFO
Speaker 3: observation is that you had a recorder running the entire time.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, Josh had a voice recorder like in his pocket,
Speaker 4: so that was running, and I had a video camera
Speaker 4: and it was twelve thirty at night, so it was
Speaker 4: in the car and we were just standing out on
Speaker 4: this ridge in the wind watching this thing. And I
Speaker 4: remember being like, I don't I don't want to look
Speaker 4: away from it. I'm not going to get my camera,
Speaker 4: but whatever, I'm just going to watch it. And we
Speaker 4: watched this thing, and I just like the next day
Speaker 4: Josh called me. He's like, dude, I taped that last night.
Speaker 4: My recorder was going. I was like, not even thinking
Speaker 4: about it. You know, we didn't get any house, I
Speaker 4: didn't think about the Bigfoot stuff. Forgot about it. Dude.
Speaker 4: There's recordings of us, and he emailed them to me
Speaker 4: and I listened to him, and I just remember, like
Speaker 4: my jaw dropped to the floor because like I was there,
Speaker 4: I saw it, listening to myself see it with my
Speaker 4: friends seeing it and knowing what we all saw it, like,
Speaker 4: it shifted my perspective. I took me back to it
Speaker 4: and I'm like, dude, we were watching something that we
Speaker 4: are dumbfounded by.
Speaker 6: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 6: We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: Well what did you see?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: What did it look like? How did this whole thing?
Speaker 3: Just walk us through what actually happened before we listened
Speaker 3: to the recording.
Speaker 4: So to set it up, We're on a fire road
Speaker 4: at the top of a valley and on the other
Speaker 4: side of the valley there were a couple different peaks
Speaker 4: and it was dark, but you could see the sky.
Speaker 4: You could see like planes flying around and stuff down
Speaker 4: in la and l a like way in the distance,
Speaker 4: all the lights but really quiet up and Angel's stressed.
Speaker 4: So there's you know, you could see a tree line
Speaker 4: on our right hand side. We're kind of behind us
Speaker 4: where we're standing, and then we were looking down out
Speaker 4: across you know, we were looking up in the sky,
Speaker 4: just listening and then I remember Josh or myself or
Speaker 4: somebody was like, Hey, what's that down there? And what's
Speaker 4: that light? And we were we were talking about and
Speaker 4: watching this light and it was down in the valley
Speaker 4: and it was in the trees and it was moving
Speaker 4: through the trees, and we're like, what's that light moving
Speaker 4: through the trees? Like that's very obviously what it was.
Speaker 4: And Richard did a search and rescue and for La County,
Speaker 4: so he was very familiar with the area. And he's like,
Speaker 4: there's no roads down there, like that's a that's a
Speaker 4: light in the trees. It's like somebody going like somebody
Speaker 4: I don't know, but it was going kind of fast,
Speaker 4: and we were like, is a car? Like we were
Speaker 4: like like we were confused enough that were like, it's
Speaker 4: moving too fast to be a person. But it's in
Speaker 4: the trees. So that's all I know. Like we saw
Speaker 4: light in the trees and it was going faster than
Speaker 4: a person far away across this valley, and we kind
Speaker 4: of we watch that and nothing happened, and we moved
Speaker 4: on and Josh, we kind of have to be saw
Speaker 4: we saw next. We didn't even think about that, but
Speaker 4: when Josh sent me the recordings, he was like, here's
Speaker 4: the two recordings. And we recorded that watch on this light,
Speaker 4: and then we moved on, went to another overlook, did
Speaker 4: a hal and we're sitting there waiting, and about a
Speaker 4: minute into that, they're like, what's that light over there?
Speaker 4: And I was like, well, that's the light we saw earlier.
Speaker 4: It's a yeah, it's the same light. It's right there.
Speaker 4: So it was like whatever that light appeard was like
Speaker 4: whitish yellow, it's the same thing. And it was kind
Speaker 4: of behind us, above the tree line that had been
Speaker 4: behind us when we were watching it, but still a
Speaker 4: little off, but we could use the tree line to
Speaker 4: gauge how it was moving. And it was moving up
Speaker 4: and down and up like and but not in any pattern.
Speaker 4: It wasn't going up and down and up and down.
Speaker 4: It was like oo, like what And then it was
Speaker 4: going left and right doing the same thing where it
Speaker 4: was like moving. I'm like, depending on how far away
Speaker 4: it was, if it was close, it moved pretty fast,
Speaker 4: like way to the left, and then it went way
Speaker 4: to the right again, and then now it's back where
Speaker 4: it started. Like it was like it was on a
Speaker 4: string or it was dancing, and we're like, what is that.
Speaker 4: We're watching that talking about that, and then it like
Speaker 4: moved across the sky and we didn't really talk about that,
Speaker 4: but I remember watching it was like so if you
Speaker 4: like panned left to right one hundred and eighty Field Division,
Speaker 4: we watched it go out over the peaks, out kind
Speaker 4: of over the like where it would be the ocean
Speaker 4: on the other side of the mountains, and it was
Speaker 4: doing the same stuff, and it was changing colors, and
Speaker 4: it was moving up and down and back and forth,
Speaker 4: and then it would like stop, and then we were like,
Speaker 4: do a hell. And I was like, come over here,
Speaker 4: and they're like, no, don't come over here. And we
Speaker 4: were kind of joking with each other, laughing, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: just do a hell, and so I was like whoo,
Speaker 4: and I yelled, and it changed colors and it moved
Speaker 4: kind of abruptly, and then it changed into like a
Speaker 4: solid color and just started going and it went out
Speaker 4: to the left and just like and like went and
Speaker 4: it got smaller and smaller, and like, I think Josh
Speaker 4: stopped his recorder because I remember just like watching it
Speaker 4: until it disappeared, and he was like, it's gone, and
Speaker 4: then Richard was like, nah, no, I see, it's blinking
Speaker 4: like I see. And that was the thing. It stopped
Speaker 4: changing colors, it stopped blinking. It was just a white
Speaker 4: light and it went flying like I'm a clock at
Speaker 4: three o'clock. It flew around the clock to like eleven
Speaker 4: ten o'clock and then it started blinking and got small
Speaker 4: and it went and it looked like a plane going
Speaker 4: out the ocean. And now twenty twenty five people are
Speaker 4: saying this is happening in New Jersey all like since November.
Speaker 4: It's going on all the time, and my mom sent
Speaker 4: me videos like I saw the drones and like calling
Speaker 4: him drones. I'm like, that wasn't a drone. That was
Speaker 4: like twenty ten, and it was like it did spectacular things.
Speaker 4: It wasn't a d Like if you have a drone
Speaker 4: and a drone move, it'd be like, okay, the drone's
Speaker 4: buzzing over there. Now it stopped, and now it's going
Speaker 4: over there. It was like it was like on a
Speaker 4: string and it was like yank, yank, yank, what like bouncing,
Speaker 4: and then it would be smooth and then it would
Speaker 4: like seasaw and like swing around it was like it
Speaker 4: was the craziest thing I've ever seen and it just
Speaker 4: flew away and we're like, what the hell was that?
Speaker 4: And what do we do with that? Like we went
Speaker 4: I remember going back to the campsite and we were
Speaker 4: all sober. I have to say that we're all sober.
Speaker 4: Richard was in the like military, and then he was
Speaker 4: search and rescue. He was La County Sheriff's deputy. Josh
Speaker 4: is like pretty like corporate kind of guy. He's got
Speaker 4: a really like serious job. And like I was just
Speaker 4: there and I'm like, I'm I'm a skater, but like
Speaker 4: I saw it, like and we're sitting there like what
Speaker 4: did you see? And we're like, I'm drawn on it
Speaker 4: in the dirt with a stick. It was like it
Speaker 4: looked like a light, but then it looked like kind
Speaker 4: of half a light, like a like a walnut or something,
Speaker 4: but it was dark. I don't know. Then we'll get bright.
Speaker 4: I don't know. And he's like, yeah, like sometimes it
Speaker 4: looked like this and sometimes is either way. I was like,
Speaker 4: nobody's gonna believe this, Like we went big footing saw UFO.
Speaker 4: There's nuts, Like what do we do? So I like
Speaker 4: I emailed Moufon and Mike wrote this long letter, and
Speaker 4: you know, I told Matt and he was like, dude,
Speaker 4: we got to animate this. We're gonna put it. You know,
Speaker 4: we're going to do this, and that I don't know
Speaker 4: what it was. There was a whole bunch of Matt
Speaker 4: stuff that it sounded cool, but I mean, it's like
Speaker 4: anything else that happens anybody you see a sasquatch, Like,
Speaker 4: what are you going to do? You got to move
Speaker 4: on with your life, or you do what I did,
Speaker 4: and then you just go down the rabbit hole. You're like,
Speaker 4: what was that? No, I want to know, And you
Speaker 4: started asking questions and you ask other people and this
Speaker 4: is like I'm already doing that with sasquatch stuff, and
Speaker 4: I'm getting crazy answers like whoa, that's just making it
Speaker 4: more confusing. Let me try to straighten it out out
Speaker 4: over here. Oh here's something I saw. Maybe this will
Speaker 4: like make more sense. Well, sorry, that doesn't make any
Speaker 4: sense either.
Speaker 5: I went back in my email because Matt had sent
Speaker 5: that to me right after it happened, So it looks
Speaker 5: like it was mid September two thousand and nine. Well,
Speaker 5: let's play the sound file real quick, look at that light.
Speaker 4: Leave that light over there? Yeah, yeah, my buddy, what the.
Speaker 2: Hell coming off the air Force base there there?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Moving? Really weird.
Speaker 4: What I'm gonna started? What is that? What is that?
Speaker 4: It's weird? What is that?
Speaker 2: Dude? That's a flying saucer? Think so, I think we've
Speaker 2: got to sing one the mony.
Speaker 6: Guys.
Speaker 2: Holy I turned my light on.
Speaker 4: What the hell is it doing?
Speaker 3: Dancing? The sun base is dancing?
Speaker 2: I got my camera.
Speaker 6: Wouldn't even pick that up right now.
Speaker 4: I'm not even gonna go to turn. I'm not gonna blink.
Speaker 2: What the.
Speaker 4: That came from? Where we were just looking at the
Speaker 4: light that was in the freaking trees?
Speaker 2: I hollered, and I'm scared.
Speaker 4: What the hell is that?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's your dancing. Look at that stopping,
Speaker 2: stopping and dancing up and down. It's time of a bitch.
Speaker 3: What right here?
Speaker 4: Come see us? Don't come see us?
Speaker 3: Come over here.
Speaker 4: I feel pretty good about our.
Speaker 2: Distance right now, I do too. I feel good at.
Speaker 4: Looks like it's awesome. It looks like it's going a
Speaker 4: little further away.
Speaker 3: It's dancing.
Speaker 4: It is going up and down. Can change colors now
Speaker 4: it turned red and went out and went back on.
Speaker 6: Mm hmmm, it's gone.
Speaker 4: No, it's still there. I can't see it now. It's
Speaker 4: breaking Blake, Blake, Blake. And that's the end of the
Speaker 4: recording right there. Yeah, that's all I got from him.
Speaker 4: Might and might have gone on. I'm not sure. I
Speaker 4: do want to say. He was like, oh, it's very
Speaker 4: slowly moving off. But I remember like as it was
Speaker 4: moving in or watching it, it was doing one thing,
Speaker 4: and then as it started moving away, it was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: that's a different thing. And then at the very end
Speaker 4: I was like that looks way different too, and and
Speaker 4: I just kind of I don't know, like I still
Speaker 4: am not sure. Like sometimes I'm like maybe it was
Speaker 4: like an early drone, but like even now, like do
Speaker 4: drones do that, Like I don't know do they do
Speaker 4: like zero gravity maneuvers kind of like I don't want
Speaker 4: to say zero gravity. But it was just like it
Speaker 4: wasn't windy, and it like, oh got buffeted a little
Speaker 4: this way and that way. It was like bobbing and
Speaker 4: going over here and then going back there.
Speaker 3: Like either way, you saw some weird stuff. Is a
Speaker 3: bottom line.
Speaker 4: It's just like one of the things. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 4: a trip.
Speaker 3: I was told a very very long time ago, probably
Speaker 3: like nineteen ninety three or something like that, someone told
Speaker 3: me that if you put your weird antenna up, you'll
Speaker 3: attract some weird stuff, but it may not be quite
Speaker 3: what you expect. And I think this is one of
Speaker 3: those examples where you went out bigfooting and you saw
Speaker 3: something totally unexplainable. Yeah, it has nothing to do with bigfoot,
Speaker 3: but it's very weird and what a treasure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, whatever it was, it was like hooked man even more,
Speaker 4: like I need more of that. And I was just
Speaker 4: like I was at Henri Franzoni that said that, no, no, he.
Speaker 3: Should have he should He probably said that to somebody.
Speaker 6: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 6: Bogo will be right back after these messages. A lot
Speaker 6: of weird stuff happens in those hills, man, I mean
Speaker 6: when we hear about a fair amount of it, because
Speaker 6: there's a lot of people living in Los Angeles, but
Speaker 6: you've also spent a lot of time out there. Are
Speaker 6: there any other stories or weird occurrences or something that
Speaker 6: happened in the southern California Mountains?
Speaker 3: You want to share with us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there's all kinds of little things that
Speaker 4: are that are cool, like just following up on stuff
Speaker 4: and finding like a cool swimming hole or something like, wow,
Speaker 4: I didn't know that was here. It's all is kind
Speaker 4: of desolate and it's really really rugged terrain. I don't
Speaker 4: know if San Bernardino in the San Gabriel Mountains lots
Speaker 4: of like really treacherous rock and yuckin it's like very
Speaker 4: desert inhospitable environment. And then there's like little oasis and
Speaker 4: hidden waterfalls and things like that. So I went with
Speaker 4: Matt and Josh and we followed up on some footprints
Speaker 4: that a hunter found. Found those photos today they're they're
Speaker 4: they're still interesting. And we had a you know kind
Speaker 4: of we went up there at night instead of waiting
Speaker 4: for daytime and couldn't find the prince and trying all
Speaker 4: over him and left, and then Josh and I went
Speaker 4: back the next day. We're like, dude, I feel like
Speaker 4: we got to go back in the light. And we
Speaker 4: went and we found our prints, like walking all through
Speaker 4: the other prince, and then there was like one salvageable
Speaker 4: that we tried to cast. That's fun. I still have
Speaker 4: that cast. But yeah, you know, I kept driving by
Speaker 4: the sign that said Devil's Canyon, and I think I
Speaker 4: was reading like Henry Franzoni's stuff and he was talking
Speaker 4: about place names and double place names, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: Devil's Canyon, that's like sasquatch, dude. I got to get
Speaker 4: in there, you know, and just you know, never found
Speaker 4: the time for it. And I was like, you know,
Speaker 4: I proposed to this my girlfriend, and I decided I
Speaker 4: was going to ask my buddy to be my best man.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I could like double dip on this.
Speaker 4: I could go like do something cool with Casey and
Speaker 4: then asking him, you know, it was like a big
Speaker 4: I never got married before. I'm like, I don't know
Speaker 4: what I'm supposed to do. Maybe he can tell me.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna like ask him another single dude. Of course,
Speaker 4: he didn't know anything, but I was like, hey, you
Speaker 4: want to go hiking. I'm gonna check out this place,
Speaker 4: Devil's Canyon. It might be a bigfoot spot. You know,
Speaker 4: it's code, you know. So he's like sure, you know.
Speaker 4: It was kind of so we're in La. We like
Speaker 4: skate and surf and walk around and flip flops and
Speaker 4: like not really too serious, and you're like, you want
Speaker 4: to go Devil's Canyon in the mountains. You're like sure,
Speaker 4: and you know, like flip flops and shorts and you know,
Speaker 4: maybe a beer or water or something. And uh. We
Speaker 4: ended up hiking down there, but at the time I
Speaker 4: didn't My car was broken and I borrowed my girlfriend's car,
Speaker 4: and when I left, I was just joking. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: if i'm not back by five, called cops and she's like, hi, okay,
Speaker 4: and I left and forgot I said that. So we
Speaker 4: drove up an hour to Devil's Canyon, parked, hiked down,
Speaker 4: like midway down, ran into a bear and it was
Speaker 4: kind of a narrow canyon and kind of had to
Speaker 4: navigate around this bear. So that was pretty exciting. Got down,
Speaker 4: checked out the waterfall, didn't find anything big footy, but
Speaker 4: I had done my research and I went on the
Speaker 4: internet and I went on some ancient web page up
Speaker 4: for hiking, and I had found that there was this
Speaker 4: shortcut to get out of Devil's Canyon. You go up
Speaker 4: the side thing called Skull Canyon. I'm like, all right,
Speaker 4: this is this is going to be good. So the
Speaker 4: Casey's like, what are we gonna do? Man, Like there's
Speaker 4: a bear and I'm like, well, bear might be gone,
Speaker 4: but we could pop up this side canyon Skull Canyon,
Speaker 4: no problem. You know that's better than Devil's Canyon. You know,
Speaker 4: it'll go up that way. And in the instructions it
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, it was vague. It was like, go
Speaker 4: up two waterfalls and then you go to the right,
Speaker 4: and then you go up on the right side of
Speaker 4: the third waterfall, and then you pop to the right
Speaker 4: and the road's right there. You walk to your car
Speaker 4: and you're out instead of going to the bear, So
Speaker 4: my buddy Casey and I have climbing up. We went
Speaker 4: up and uh, I thought I heard some noise and
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, that was a car And he's like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, man. And we got to the spot
Speaker 4: and we're like, okay, is this third waterfall or the
Speaker 4: second waterfall? Like I don't know. They kind of went
Speaker 4: up some waterfall type stuff. It was very ambiguous. Apparently
Speaker 4: it was the second waterfall, and I'm like, okay, this
Speaker 4: is the one. This is the third waterfall. We got
Speaker 4: to go to the right, so we pop over on
Speaker 4: the right side, and he's like it's a it's like
Speaker 4: a cliff, dude, Like what do we do? I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: you just got to go up the side, you know
Speaker 4: near the waterfall part. It's less of a cliff. You
Speaker 4: just hug that and like diagonal up. And I'm just
Speaker 4: like pointing up this slope of Yukka and he's like,
Speaker 4: all right, climb up. So I started climbing up and
Speaker 4: you know, again we're skateboarders, like we can do anything
Speaker 4: and jump off ten foot buildings whatever, down handrails, climb
Speaker 4: up the Shelle cliff and we were climbing and I'm
Speaker 4: like pulling Yucca and it's like pulling out dislodging rocks
Speaker 4: and I made a mini avalanche and uh my buddy's like, dude,
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna do this. I'm going back down. I
Speaker 4: see you down there. I'm gonna go down to the
Speaker 4: other place and walk up the way we came in.
Speaker 4: And uh I'm like all right, kind of like give
Speaker 4: up and slide down, and totally the right decision on
Speaker 4: his part. We get down to the more manageable place
Speaker 4: the waterfalls, and we're hiking back down and we're like
Speaker 4: hike back down to where we had started and made
Speaker 4: that terrible decision, and there was a little like overlooked
Speaker 4: for this waterfall, and then the overlook it was kind of.
Speaker 2: Like a cave.
Speaker 4: And he's like, man, I can't believe you did this
Speaker 4: to me, like and I was like, yeah, I didn't
Speaker 4: even get to ask you to be my best man
Speaker 4: for like my wedding. And he's like, what are you
Speaker 4: talking about. I'm like, I brought you out here. I
Speaker 4: was going to ask you to be my best man.
Speaker 4: He's like, oh, of course I'll do that. But like
Speaker 4: we got to get out of here and it's getting dark,
Speaker 4: and I'm just like, it's kind of crazy. And we
Speaker 4: just looked and it was it was treacherous train and
Speaker 4: I'm like, just stay here, you know, we'll be fine.
Speaker 4: We'll just hike out in the morning. The cave will
Speaker 4: make a fire. So we did that and had like
Speaker 4: meager supplies, so we like high. For some reason. I
Speaker 4: had that little stupid space blanket in the plastic the
Speaker 4: aluminum thing, and I'm like, all right, hey, Casey, I
Speaker 4: got a space blanket, you know, so I shook that out,
Speaker 4: you know, the dusty ass space blanket I had for
Speaker 4: ten years. Finally get to use this thing. Dave it Tom.
Speaker 4: I had skittles. I'm like, this is probably why I
Speaker 4: got diabetes. Like I like had skittles and like a
Speaker 4: beer and weed. That's like it. It's we're like, let's
Speaker 4: see these skittles and like play word games. And it
Speaker 4: was like, I don't know, it was like we went
Speaker 4: through levels of like psychological like despair and like keeping
Speaker 4: It's okay, man, we're gonna make it. It's cool, don't
Speaker 4: worry about it. Like, yeah, we got this, Okay, put
Speaker 4: some more wood on the fire. And we're sitting there
Speaker 4: and I'm like, man, my girlfriend's gonna be really pissed
Speaker 4: with me because I, like I didn't bring her car back.
Speaker 4: She's gonna be worried, like and then I started thinking
Speaker 4: about like she's gonna be worried about me, like all right,
Speaker 4: and I started really thinking about that and like being
Speaker 4: sensitive and like, oh man, I'm a terrible person.
Speaker 5: And uh.
Speaker 4: I just remember him being like, dude, you know, it's fine,
Speaker 4: we'll get out of here. It's just like it's like
Speaker 4: what we got like six hours left or something. It's
Speaker 4: not that long. And uh, we hear this noise and
Speaker 4: I'm like, sounds like I don't know, it sounds like thunder,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, no, it's just going And then I
Speaker 4: remember being like it's like a tank. So we're you know,
Speaker 4: we're in this little overlook at the top of a
Speaker 4: waterfall that's in a canyon, and a canyon goes straight
Speaker 4: out and kind of curves to the left and you
Speaker 4: can see like trees and the sky and we're sitting there,
Speaker 4: like the noise is getting louder, and the canyon starts
Speaker 4: lighting up and We're like, whoa, what's that And I'm
Speaker 4: still just like I have no idea what it is.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't know, And like this helicopter comes
Speaker 4: around the corner with like search light down in the
Speaker 4: canyon and it's like like definitely loud. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's a helicopter. So we're sitting there and I'm like, what,
Speaker 4: I've never seen a helicopter like one hundred feet away
Speaker 4: at you know, a night in the mountains shigning a
Speaker 4: search light at me. This is insane. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: Casey just jumps up and it's like we're saved, and
Speaker 4: he like runs out and he's like standing on top
Speaker 4: of this waterfall in the space blanket and he's waving
Speaker 4: the space blanket and the helicopter flies over and it
Speaker 4: shines the search light down on us. I'm sitting there
Speaker 4: like like watching this, like is this really happening? And
Speaker 4: it was like wind was flying, there's rocks flying, and
Speaker 4: like there's a helicopter fifty feet above us. And they're
Speaker 4: like on the radio. I can't hear, like I'm half deaf,
Speaker 4: so I'm like, what are they saying? And Case is
Speaker 4: like yeah, like yelling. I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 4: if they could hear vegas. They were like, you know,
Speaker 4: we're gonna get you out of here. And I'm sitting
Speaker 4: there and like this guy comes down of like a
Speaker 4: rope and and like comes out of the helicopter. Helicopter
Speaker 4: is hovering. He're like, I don't know, like fifty feet
Speaker 4: seventy five feet over in the air and it's light.
Speaker 4: The dude comes down on the rope and he lands
Speaker 4: and unhooks and he comes running over and he's like
Speaker 4: all dressed in black and he's got night vision goggles.
Speaker 4: He's like, yes, okay, we're gonna get you out of here,
Speaker 4: and we're like. My friend's like, yes, get us out
Speaker 4: of here, and I'm just like yeah, They're like we're
Speaker 4: gonna get you out of here. I'm like, Casey, you
Speaker 4: go first. He's like all right, and I'm just like
Speaker 4: vaguely watching him. And the guy does something and go
Speaker 4: up the zip line in the air, and I'm watching
Speaker 4: my buddy just go up in the air and disappear
Speaker 4: into the helicopter and I'm sitting there and I'm like okay.
Speaker 4: I'm like all right, I guess I'm ready to go.
Speaker 4: And I go over and I'm standing there and the
Speaker 4: dude comes back down on the rope and I'm like
Speaker 4: what do I do? And he's like grab on And
Speaker 4: I was like thinking, like, is there like a thing
Speaker 4: you clip on me? And he's just like and he
Speaker 4: takes my arms and puts him around his waist and
Speaker 4: he grabs me and he's like says something in the
Speaker 4: radio and we go shrew up the rope. So I'm
Speaker 4: like in the air like I'm in like Arnold Schwarzenegger movie.
Speaker 4: And I go up and they like pushed me into
Speaker 4: the helicopter. So now I'm like on the floor of
Speaker 4: a helicopter on my hands and knees, looking around like
Speaker 4: I've never been a helicopter before. It's surreal. It's like
Speaker 4: kind of moving, but like still like a like an
Speaker 4: elevator when it stops, just continuously the moment when your
Speaker 4: stomach's up and down, I'm like, what the hell's going
Speaker 4: on on? The guy comes over with a notebook and
Speaker 4: he's like, are you so and So's fiance And I'm
Speaker 4: like yep, and he's like we got him. And they're like, okay, Roger,
Speaker 4: that dude. And they start driving away in the helicopter
Speaker 4: and I'm sitting there and Casey's sitting on the bench
Speaker 4: and he's got like a nice blanket on and he's
Speaker 4: just glaring at me and I'm like hey, and he's
Speaker 4: like just shaking his head. I'm like all right, and
Speaker 4: I'm like there's a helipad and they like land on
Speaker 4: the helipad and I'm like, this is not the car
Speaker 4: and they're like all right, you guys hop about and
Speaker 4: we're like what do we do? And they're like you
Speaker 4: get out of the helicopter and we're like I'm like no,
Speaker 4: do we have to pay? Like what's going on. They're like,
Speaker 4: do you live in La County And we're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you pay taxes and yeah. They're like all right, you
Speaker 4: already paid, thanks and just get out and I'm like
Speaker 4: all all right. And we got out and then the
Speaker 4: helicopter flew away and we're standing there and we're like,
Speaker 4: where the hell are we. We're on helipad in the
Speaker 4: middle of Angela's Cress, Like you're just like, okay, there's
Speaker 4: La down there. But we're in the mountains still and
Speaker 4: there's like a building down that where are we? And
Speaker 4: this little golf cart comes up and this security guard
Speaker 4: just like looks as he's like what are you doing?
Speaker 4: And we're like I don't know, Like what do we do?
Speaker 4: And he's like I don't know, and he just drove
Speaker 4: away and we were like, I guess follow him. We
Speaker 4: went down and it was an emergency room of a
Speaker 4: hospital in Azusa, and I'm like, all right, do you
Speaker 4: have a phone in the way The intake nurse was like,
Speaker 4: oh my lord, come in here and like are you okay?
Speaker 4: Is anybody bleeding? And like, you know, did the nurse stuff?
Speaker 4: And I'm just looking at Casey in the light and
Speaker 4: he's in his underwear and he's just got sticks in
Speaker 4: his hair and he's just like, dude, I'm never going
Speaker 4: hiking with you again.
Speaker 3: Let that be listened to everyone.
Speaker 6: By the way, well, I think on that note, be
Speaker 6: safe in the woods, tell people where you're going.
Speaker 3: And this is another excellent example of what can come
Speaker 3: from that. So there you go. That's crazy story, Scott.
Speaker 3: That's his nutty story. And well, thank you. Thank you
Speaker 3: for coming on the podcast and sharing some of the
Speaker 3: weird things that have happened to you over the time.
Speaker 3: If you want to come visit Scott, he works at
Speaker 3: his own shop, a record shop in Sandy, Oregon. You
Speaker 3: can always talk to him on Instagram. It's a record
Speaker 3: shop in Sandy on Instagram. And you can also check
Speaker 3: out his designs and all that sort of stuff on
Speaker 3: the internet machine scottmintondesign dot com. All these things will
Speaker 3: be in the show notes of course. Reach out if
Speaker 3: you're in Sandy, come buy a record man. He has
Speaker 3: some of the best selections I've seen, and he also
Speaker 3: gives you the personal touch anything you're looking for. Any
Speaker 3: last minute thoughts here, Scott before we get going.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love working with artists and creative people. So
Speaker 4: anybody that's got ideas of things that they want to make, like,
Speaker 4: let's talk. If I can't do it, I think I
Speaker 4: know someone who can. And there's a lot of really
Speaker 4: great people in this community. Mount Hood is a special place.
Speaker 4: We talk about it often. It's like there's a lot
Speaker 4: of places like this. There's a lot of creative people
Speaker 4: here who run their own businesses and there's a little
Speaker 4: community that does that. It's like a pleasure interacting with
Speaker 4: those people. And I know they're out there. I just
Speaker 4: as I see it happening in this record shop all
Speaker 4: the time. It's a vortex of cool stuff. It was
Speaker 4: here before I came here. It was a skate shop
Speaker 4: and this was happening. And before that it was like
Speaker 4: a gallery and that was happening. And this is building.
Speaker 4: This place, like in proximity to this magical mountain is
Speaker 4: like a really cool spot to be And people come
Speaker 4: in and they're like, oh this is this feels good.
Speaker 4: I'm like yeah, I know right. It's like it's a
Speaker 4: special place. And and if you come here and buy
Speaker 4: a record, you always get a free record with that record.
Speaker 3: You get a free record with that record.
Speaker 4: You do. I got so many records, so yeah, you
Speaker 4: get a free record with every record that you buy.
Speaker 6: All right, Bobo, final thoughts and get us out of here,
Speaker 6: so yeah.
Speaker 2: Thanks to Scott for coming on and we'll catch you
Speaker 2: all next week. Till then, y'all keep it squatchy.
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