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Speaker 4: The first college football playoff rankings came out yesterday. The
Speaker 4: top four teams were Oregon, Ohio State, Georgia, and Miami.
Speaker 4: But Ohio State would not be able to be in
Speaker 4: the top four because it needs to be from the
Speaker 4: four separate conferences.
Speaker 2: Okay, who give me the rest? Because I didn't even
Speaker 2: pay attention to.
Speaker 4: This, let me pull up the rest I saw. I
Speaker 4: know Indiana was pretty high up.
Speaker 3: Who else?
Speaker 5: B yu?
Speaker 3: Okay, it's but.
Speaker 6: Let's say p top twenty five.
Speaker 4: Oregon one, Ohio State two, Georgia three, Miami four, Texas five,
Speaker 4: Penn State six, Tennessee seven, Indiana eight, b y U nine,
Speaker 4: Notre Dame ten, Alabama eleven, and Boise State twelve.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, that sounds like a good list there. Alabama's
Speaker 3: in still, so we'll see.
Speaker 2: They're not the They're not the Alabama the years past,
Speaker 2: that's for sure.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I can't believe. Well, if BYU is playing Alabama,
Speaker 7: straight up, I don't know who'd be favorite back right,
Speaker 7: It would be b Yu.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, that's funny.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: B Yu is probably gonna end up number four because
Speaker 4: they're gonna probably win the Big twelve.
Speaker 9: So yeah.
Speaker 4: The new NFL mock draft came out today from NFL
Speaker 4: dot Com that has Teamac going number four overall to
Speaker 4: the Panthers.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I still said there before the season started that he
Speaker 2: would if he had a good year, that he'd probably
Speaker 2: be the best UA football to ever play here. I
Speaker 2: have to change my mind on that because it's been
Speaker 2: a tough year even though he's done really well.
Speaker 6: He'll be the highest draft to definitely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, very much. So, very very talented obviously.
Speaker 5: No, for sure.
Speaker 3: I mean it's you know what it is, It's all
Speaker 3: about talent.
Speaker 7: It's it's talent. But they've really never gotten into a
Speaker 7: flow this year.
Speaker 2: I mean, oh yeah, no, no, and I don't think
Speaker 2: that he will at any point. And once you've gone
Speaker 2: through seven games, and whatever games still hasn't happened.
Speaker 4: Speaking of the Panthers, they say that quarterback Bryce Young
Speaker 4: will start for the team once again over Andy Dalton.
Speaker 6: After winning last week versus the Saints cost me a
Speaker 6: lot of money.
Speaker 5: I had a parlay and all all that New Orleans
Speaker 5: had to do is win out right, and they lost.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't even close. I don't think it was
Speaker 3: one point? Was it at the end?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, I thought it was. That was really though.
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes came out and said that his ankle that
Speaker 4: he injured Monday night is limited. Uh it's not very
Speaker 4: sore or it's a sore ankle, but it's limited pain.
Speaker 3: Okay. Cool. Do you who they having next?
Speaker 6: They play the Broncos.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, they're going to falter something here along the way.
Speaker 2: Even when they're playing bad, they're winning.
Speaker 7: The thing that's so amazing to me is how well
Speaker 7: they've done and what a horrible fantasy year Mahomes is having, right.
Speaker 7: I mean, he is really not been impressive, but he
Speaker 7: just wins.
Speaker 2: The thing about is everybody has this high expectations of
Speaker 2: him and then you know, but he's a winner.
Speaker 3: He knows how to how to pull it off for Adible. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Juan Soto, the number one free agent this year for MLB,
Speaker 4: will take his time surveying the free agent market, according
Speaker 4: to his agent, Scott Boars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as you should. He'll play end up with the Dodgers.
Speaker 4: They already the Dodgers came out today and they said
Speaker 4: that Mookie Bets is going to play the infield next year.
Speaker 3: So trying to find a way to get him on
Speaker 3: the outfield.
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, probably trying to.
Speaker 3: Well what we had yesterday? Did we have yesterday that
Speaker 3: Tony's going to have shoulders? Shoulders?
Speaker 4: I think I know that happened Yesterda Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 4: I think they said he will be back for sure.
Speaker 4: Cole Linehart, the son of Matt Linehart, has committed to
Speaker 4: s m U.
Speaker 6: He is also a quarterback.
Speaker 2: M m hmm, the son of a former volleyball player.
Speaker 2: I think it's a volleyball.
Speaker 6: Player, usc quarterback.
Speaker 3: You know, he's a quarterback, but his his his girl
Speaker 3: Field was a volleyball player.
Speaker 2: God, it's already Lionard's already having kids to go into
Speaker 2: the I mean, the whole.
Speaker 5: Whole thing is crazy.
Speaker 6: My life now.
Speaker 7: Everybody who I I expect them to see their son
Speaker 7: and I think it's them and it turns out daughter.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I'm at the point too. I just wow,
Speaker 3: my time.
Speaker 2: My kids are twenty nine and twenty six, and I'm
Speaker 2: thinking they were just on the soccer field ye the
Speaker 2: other day.
Speaker 5: Mine are in their forties.
Speaker 3: Now, oh, well, can you adopt me? I need some boy.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you one thing. If I had some money,
Speaker 5: I would I have houses. Now. I bought that house
Speaker 5: in Aspen and now I don't have any money.
Speaker 3: Well, they do have houses, Richmond problems, Well it is rich.
Speaker 7: Problem is I can't, you know, cut off a room
Speaker 7: and buy a car with it.
Speaker 5: I can, but I'm worth more than I've ever been worth.
Speaker 5: But I don't have any money.
Speaker 2: I think you can find time to adopt me.
Speaker 3: You can do that.
Speaker 5: Well, my wife's only fifty eight, so well the good
Speaker 5: you're just going off. Wow, back in the day, I
Speaker 5: was showing off.
Speaker 4: Brown's general manager Andrew Berry came out today and said
Speaker 4: they the team is noncommittal to quarterback Deshaun Watson next year,
Speaker 4: who is currently recovering from the.
Speaker 3: Obligated for that price of him forever.
Speaker 4: I think I've he next year of the year after
Speaker 4: they can cut him for for and save this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that was a disaster, boy.
Speaker 7: You know, and.
Speaker 5: I guess you've got to be in the game. But
Speaker 5: you know, with with Tua and with with Watson and
Speaker 5: some of these others, I mean, it just seems.
Speaker 3: To it wasn't and then Dak got.
Speaker 5: It seems ridiculous with you know, it seems to happen
Speaker 5: right after that.
Speaker 2: Back in your day, Larry, uh, in the mid seventies,
Speaker 2: late seventies, and and and Pete was going, Pete Rose
Speaker 2: was going for his stuff.
Speaker 5: What was the prospective, Well, he set the new standard.
Speaker 7: He was the first player to ever get a million
Speaker 7: dollars a year, and that was in nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and how was the uproar or what was he up?
Speaker 7: Well, I you know, like they always do, people say,
Speaker 7: I can't believe they're paying them a million dollars to
Speaker 7: play baseball. But uh, you know, people tend to get
Speaker 7: over it. I mean, sure, sure, because standards kick. Now
Speaker 7: in recent years, obviously they've moved a lot faster and
Speaker 7: a lot further, but it's always been you know, back
Speaker 7: in the day. I sure, back in the day, back
Speaker 7: in the day. I mean, you know, baseball and athletes
Speaker 7: in general. I mean the players were owned by the owners,
Speaker 7: and yeah, they didn't make any money, right right, That's
Speaker 7: all I got.
Speaker 2: I guess they had the funeral for Pellans reel right either. Yeah,
Speaker 2: didn't Did they ever say what he passed away from?
Speaker 2: Because he was very thin and obviously didn't look like himself.
Speaker 3: Did you were eighties? Eighties? You were still in Milwaukee.
Speaker 5: I was in Milwaukee. He was with Dodgers, and I remember.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know what it's He didn't say
Speaker 2: what he passed from, but he had been obviously a
Speaker 2: grew to you.
Speaker 3: Okay, anything else?
Speaker 2: You know, thing else basketball basketball, anything college basketball. We
Speaker 2: have a game on from Saturday afternoon. What were your impressions.
Speaker 6: There from Monday Monday?
Speaker 4: It was clear Tommy he was just trying to get
Speaker 4: as many guys out there. Just got some rhythms. So
Speaker 4: that's anybody impression. I think vsar is the way he
Speaker 4: could stretch the floor though, something they can work.
Speaker 3: I really liked that you can do that. I really
Speaker 3: liked that he can do that.
Speaker 2: Uh, and if if it takes time for crews to
Speaker 2: come come in and do what he does because he's
Speaker 2: still he's still a.
Speaker 3: Project to me.
Speaker 2: He's you know, seven foot whatever, and he makes the
Speaker 2: other guys he Henry looks small, you know, so we'll
Speaker 2: see you know, he's he's good previous. He's still a
Speaker 2: little stiff, right, you know, and that you just don't
Speaker 2: wait magic wand and become not stiff. I mean, you
Speaker 2: takes fluidity, takes time, blah blah blah. You know, and
Speaker 2: you've seen the games Tarzuski and and those big dudes.
Speaker 3: You are who you.
Speaker 2: Are, Yeah, no, I mean it's it's and Henry's not.
Speaker 2: Henry's not that guy. He's flu He's fluid.
Speaker 3: He runs a court well, he can stretch it, he
Speaker 3: can shoot it, he can he's aggressive.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I haven't seen the team this year much. I've
Speaker 7: been doing a lot of traveling. I've been involved in
Speaker 7: the election. I've been involved in other stuff.
Speaker 2: But I will Yeah, nothing else, No, Okay, anybody want
Speaker 2: to call, You can feel free to call if I
Speaker 2: have two er four one forty. Let us know what's
Speaker 2: going on in your world. If you like the Baffort interview,
Speaker 2: give us a call. We have David Cosgrove here in
Speaker 2: about ten minutes. And if you're still concerned about the
Speaker 2: football program, you can air it out here. Gabe, if
Speaker 2: you're listening, give us a call, uh, Nico, anybody, anybody
Speaker 2: get a lot of callers who are kind of upset
Speaker 2: about the situation.
Speaker 7: Well, I think that's what people do, and venting can
Speaker 7: be a healthy thing.
Speaker 3: It can be a get therapeutic, therapeutic. Yeah. Well you
Speaker 3: see it every Tuesday with the McMahon's and guys.
Speaker 5: Wow, those guys. That's you know, it's a lesson inventing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, WA's this? Wats this? Listen to mom complain? Yeah,
Speaker 3: no question.
Speaker 2: Uh no, We'll see what happens, especially if you you know,
Speaker 2: spend money, uh to buy the tickets and you you know, expense,
Speaker 2: you know, give out a pretty big expense of your
Speaker 2: of your life to go watch football.
Speaker 7: I think it's part of it's the money, and I
Speaker 7: think part of it is the emotional commitment. I mean,
Speaker 7: you commit to a program, you commit to a team,
Speaker 7: You you root for them, you you sort of adopt
Speaker 7: them in a certain way, and if things don't go well,
Speaker 7: or if you think they're they're not performing in a
Speaker 7: way that they should, you're disappointed and uh, you know
Speaker 7: that's that comes with the turf. I mean you if
Speaker 7: if everyone who runs a program encourages fans to get
Speaker 7: emotionally involved and get passionate, and then the flip side
Speaker 7: of that is if you don't deliver or if you
Speaker 7: disappoint people, then they're going to be passionate about that.
Speaker 2: So let me ask you, as you're saying all this,
Speaker 2: I'm looking at you one laugh, because are you a sportsman?
Speaker 3: You still?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, of what?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 7: You know, I lived for thirty years in Milwaukee before
Speaker 7: I came here and I became professionally the professional teams.
Speaker 7: I'm a Bucks fan, I'm a Brewers fan. I'm a
Speaker 7: Packers fan here. I've become a u of a fan
Speaker 7: in the last twenty.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't have to be and you wake
Speaker 2: up on Monday, You're fine. We don't have to cry,
Speaker 2: you don't have to lament, you don't have to do anything.
Speaker 2: You watch the game, you put it away, turn off,
Speaker 2: you have your TV dinner or something like that. I'm
Speaker 2: no longer a fan. It's been a long time. I
Speaker 2: don't get mostly involved. I don't like doesn't mean anything
Speaker 2: to me. I don't have any dog in the game.
Speaker 7: Well, fantasy football to a great extent cured me of
Speaker 7: being a fan because I now root for my players.
Speaker 3: Sure, I'm in four leagues and I'm doing all this.
Speaker 2: I said, I couldn't do that because I'm too loyal
Speaker 2: to my team, right, And that kills you. It gets
Speaker 2: in the way it.
Speaker 7: I don't know, And I've been a longtime Packers fan,
Speaker 7: been to the Super Bowls and the whole thing, and.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I think which.
Speaker 7: Takes precedence if I have a player in the game
Speaker 7: or if the Packers are on the field.
Speaker 5: It goes, it flips back and forth. But the fact
Speaker 5: that I even have.
Speaker 7: To think about it is a sign of how much
Speaker 7: fantasy sports and sports gambling I think in general, I
Speaker 7: was taken over, has taken over the question in a
Speaker 7: way that we can argue about whether it's a good
Speaker 7: thing or a bad thing.
Speaker 5: But it is what it is, and it's not going
Speaker 5: to change.
Speaker 3: I mean no, no, it's going to increase.
Speaker 2: In fact, I think that's probably a lot of a
Speaker 2: lot of the ankst comes from.
Speaker 3: You know, you get the online people who are ripping, well,
Speaker 3: how could you drop that pass?
Speaker 2: And you know the over unders, you know whatever, and
Speaker 2: you missed the extra point and yea, yea.
Speaker 7: And another big development from that is a lot of
Speaker 7: this focus on getting the calls right. I mean, the
Speaker 7: other couple of weeks ago, I didn't have money on
Speaker 7: this game, and I don't bet money money. I'll bet
Speaker 7: ten dollars, you know. I mean, it's not like I'm
Speaker 7: out there, but it does keep me busy as a
Speaker 7: retired person.
Speaker 5: But when that.
Speaker 7: Safety against Darnold was not called at the end of
Speaker 7: the game and it created an eight point win from
Speaker 7: a six point win, it affected the over under and
Speaker 7: tens of millions of dollars changed hands as a result
Speaker 7: of that non call. Now, I think that a lot
Speaker 7: of this demand for accuracy and the demand to get
Speaker 7: the call right as opposed to having blown calls just
Speaker 7: be a part of the game and you have to
Speaker 7: deal with it, which is what it used to be.
Speaker 7: I think a lot of that is being driven by
Speaker 7: how much money is at stake, not just by who
Speaker 7: wins the game, but by how many points and everything else.
Speaker 7: I think there's is going to be an increasingly large
Speaker 7: factor and role played by the gambling interests and the
Speaker 7: demand for getting it right.
Speaker 2: Well, you asked, Bob, you know, how has the industry
Speaker 2: trained in horse racing from thirty forty fifty years ago?
Speaker 3: Whatever football? Look a look before.
Speaker 2: You imagine going back in the seventies and reviewing the
Speaker 2: film or tape, going back to review the tape to
Speaker 2: get a call right or wrong. How that would have changed,
Speaker 2: because now they do it every two minutes and a
Speaker 2: game prolongs or whatever. Back going back to seventies and say, oh,
Speaker 2: that was not a catch or that was you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Before it was just you know, okay,
Speaker 2: this on the next play, let's move on.
Speaker 3: Crazy.
Speaker 7: But now tens or hundreds of millions of dollars can
Speaker 7: be riding on it in a way that it never
Speaker 7: was before because of the online gambling and everything else.
Speaker 7: So I think that it's become a bigger economic fan.
Speaker 3: That's probably been the biggest change in your time.
Speaker 5: Can oh for sure. I mean, I think it's a combination.
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, I remember back in the days
Speaker 7: when I was growing up, you know, go to a
Speaker 7: bush stadium seats thirty thousand people. I'd watched Dan Musial,
Speaker 7: I'd watched you know, the Cardinals play and then i'd
Speaker 7: go to you know, wherever I was. I'd go to
Speaker 7: wherever it was. And now all of a sudden, the
Speaker 7: new stadiums are all going up. They're all like shopping
Speaker 7: malls and carnival parks and else, I mean family entertainment
Speaker 7: and high tech and and everything else. And the cost
Speaker 7: of course has gone through the roof. But more important
Speaker 7: than that, I think the games themselves are are played
Speaker 7: to cater to the TV audience and not in person audience.
Speaker 7: But sure, long commercial breaks and everything else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's totally different if you go to a
Speaker 2: game and watching on TV. Somethings are made for TV,
Speaker 2: and something's around. So let me ask you when you
Speaker 2: were going to the games as a ten to twelve
Speaker 2: year old and there was seventy cents, right, what's what was?
Speaker 9: It was?
Speaker 3: Seventy cents a big deal?
Speaker 5: Five cents Not for me? I mean I wasn't rich,
Speaker 5: but no, it wasn't.
Speaker 3: A big deal. But your dad, your dad gave you
Speaker 3: the money to go.
Speaker 7: In or well I got an allowance and it wasn't.
Speaker 7: Seventy five cents.
Speaker 3: Is what today is? Give me give me a well, I.
Speaker 7: Don't know, it'd probably be ten bucks today or a
Speaker 7: five bucks or eight bucks. That's what you spend on
Speaker 7: a on a drink pretty much at a cheap bar.
Speaker 5: So I'm just saying that. You know it was not
Speaker 5: a big deal.
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Speaker 1: This is I on the Ball on Fox Sports fourteen fisding.
Speaker 1: I want to take part in the show call up
Speaker 1: steam now went five to two oh four seventy.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to I the Ball here on Fox
Speaker 2: Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Ruberto with me, it is
Speaker 2: Larry Dillman now on the phone. We have Pema Ben's
Speaker 2: soccer coach, the Cosgrove Dave.
Speaker 9: How are you, hey, Steep?
Speaker 5: Doing good?
Speaker 9: Thanks?
Speaker 2: Yeah, doing really well? So another another title for you
Speaker 2: to move on. How was yesterday?
Speaker 9: It was good?
Speaker 8: You know, I'm fortunate I have a really you know,
Speaker 8: a really good squad this year.
Speaker 9: They're very motivated. So getting ourselves into a championship game
Speaker 9: against a really good team that's highly motivated and very disciplined,
Speaker 9: well coach and coming out with the result is always great.
Speaker 8: But you know that's kind of the expectations we have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have no question. So what's next?
Speaker 9: So we won litstee we want our or we shared
Speaker 9: our conference title, and.
Speaker 8: Then last night we won our region in district, So
Speaker 8: that means we're an automatic qualifier for the national tournament,
Speaker 8: which is in Alabama starts on the seventeen, So we'll
Speaker 8: fly out next week and I'll put us in the
Speaker 8: last twelve teams in the country.
Speaker 3: Yes, no question.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you because of the circumstances I
Speaker 2: think the last year or two you were playing them here,
Speaker 2: do you think this might help in a sense that
Speaker 2: there's not as much pressure playing at home, maybe relaxing
Speaker 2: on the road.
Speaker 9: You know, I think it gives us an opportunity kind
Speaker 9: of just to get out there be by ourselves, you know,
Speaker 9: in a new environment, totally just focusing on the task
Speaker 9: at hand. So I'm hoping that, you know, that will
Speaker 9: help us. You know, I feel badly that we haven't
Speaker 9: performed as well as we should have in two on
Speaker 9: the last couple of years. I know, a lot of
Speaker 9: people put hard work into that, and I thought we
Speaker 9: fell short of our expectations. So you know, fully we
Speaker 9: can you know, at least do something a little bit
Speaker 9: better on the road.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no question.
Speaker 2: How does this team distinguish itself from the other ones,
Speaker 2: the other great ones that you've had.
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, once again, I've had Well, I guess I've
Speaker 8: been there so long you would think sooner.
Speaker 9: Or later i'd have a good team. But you know,
Speaker 9: we've had some really good players and some really good teams.
Speaker 8: You know, I really like this group. You know, they're
Speaker 8: very connected to each other where we're definitely sophomore loaded,
Speaker 8: so we have a lot of experience and maturity.
Speaker 9: On the team.
Speaker 8: And you know, I think they they kind of made
Speaker 8: a you know, a commitment to each other after last
Speaker 8: year's tournament of coming back and trying to rewrite what
Speaker 8: the program is capable of doing.
Speaker 9: And so far they've done a really good job with it. Uh,
Speaker 9: they're really motivated.
Speaker 8: It doesn't require much from the coaches to get them
Speaker 8: to train hard and treat.
Speaker 9: Things the right way. So a lot of it really
Speaker 9: is the credit to the kids on the team.
Speaker 2: Has the has the past impacted the future? And I'm
Speaker 2: saying most recently, I'm even sure you have a couple
Speaker 2: of guys here there who have played in the past,
Speaker 2: like last year and the year before, has maybe motivated
Speaker 2: or at least got them more. Knowing on what to
Speaker 2: expect moving forward.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so you know, we had quite a few freshmen
Speaker 9: last year, and like I said, I think we felt
Speaker 9: like we underachieved, and that you know, starts with me
Speaker 9: at the top. I didn't think I.
Speaker 8: Did a great job at the national tournament.
Speaker 9: So we all came back with the idea that we.
Speaker 8: Needed to change the narrative on the team and the
Speaker 8: core group of kids.
Speaker 9: That we have coming back, and you know, we feel
Speaker 9: like we're on the right path to doing that. We've
Speaker 9: you know, won a lot of games, we've.
Speaker 8: Won a couple of tinles, but there's still a lot
Speaker 8: of work to do, and I think we're.
Speaker 9: Motivated to keep, you know, changing that narrative because I
Speaker 9: don't think any of us felt really good with the
Speaker 9: way things ended last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that that'll help motivate. Have you this may
Speaker 2: be a dumb question because I've known you for a
Speaker 2: long time, Dave, Obviously I have been coach my kids.
Speaker 2: Have you changed as a coach as you've gotten older
Speaker 2: or are you still the same guy?
Speaker 9: You know, I keep getting that question a lot, and
Speaker 9: I'll actually a lot of alumn I feel like I've
Speaker 9: gotten maybe a little bit easier and softer and a
Speaker 9: little bit more patient, I think, And in the reality
Speaker 9: is I probably have and I know with this particular group,
Speaker 9: I change a lot of things I've done in the
Speaker 9: past and try to change things up, you know, to
Speaker 9: elicit and maybe a different response and hopefully different results.
Speaker 9: You know, I still like to think that, you know,
Speaker 9: the standards we've set for the last twenty five years,
Speaker 9: are there. The expectations, the commitment, the discipline, you know,
Speaker 9: I think those are all still the you know, kind
Speaker 9: of the core elements of what we're doing. You know, though,
Speaker 9: I do think I'm a little bit more open minded too,
Speaker 9: you know, teaching and working with kids in different ways
Speaker 9: rather than just hammering away at it being my way
Speaker 9: and my way only. So you know, maybe it's the
Speaker 9: best way to put it is I think I've matured
Speaker 9: as a coach and I'm a little bit more willing
Speaker 9: to look at things differently. And again, I have great
Speaker 9: assistant coaches who present different ideas, so I'm constantly learning
Speaker 9: as well. So yeah, I guess you know, a long
Speaker 9: answer to a short question is I do think I changed.
Speaker 9: I'd like to think it's in a positive way, and
Speaker 9: you know, obviously it makes it a better.
Speaker 8: Experience for our coaches and our players.
Speaker 7: Coach, I'm Larry Gelman, I'm here helping Steve out today,
Speaker 7: and I wanted to ask you a question about the
Speaker 7: ways in which at a school like yours, the intensity
Speaker 7: and duration and demands made of the athletes have changed,
Speaker 7: if they have over the last ten or twenty years,
Speaker 7: in the sense of it seems to me I played
Speaker 7: at a Division III school and back then practice was
Speaker 7: almost optional. This was fifty years ago, you know, no scholarships,
Speaker 7: no pressure, It was all about the game. But it
Speaker 7: seems like now at your level there's a lot more intensity,
Speaker 7: a lot higher quality athletes, and a lot more being
Speaker 7: asked or required of the athletes and of the coaches.
Speaker 7: And I wanted to get your sense on that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, well, first, Larry, I appreciate you helping
Speaker 9: Steve out.
Speaker 8: I know a long time, so I can testify that he.
Speaker 2: Doesn't it does. But he set you up on.
Speaker 8: That.
Speaker 9: He just loved that one. We haven't waiting a couple
Speaker 9: of years.
Speaker 8: For that one, right, But uh, you know, I think
Speaker 8: it's a great.
Speaker 9: Question, and I honestly believe it is significant, different, different
Speaker 9: than it was before, you know, even just in my
Speaker 9: own experience, and again we're talking at you know, fairly
Speaker 9: high performing junior college, you know, PIMA. All their programs
Speaker 9: now compute at a very high level. And these kids.
Speaker 8: What we ask of these kids now compared to what
Speaker 8: we ask of them even twenty five years ago, I
Speaker 8: think is significantly different. Of course, as they grow up,
Speaker 8: their their experiences and all their sports is significantly different.
Speaker 9: I think the time, the money, the commitment of all
Speaker 9: these kids is you know, completely different. You know, I
Speaker 9: think it's much more demanding.
Speaker 8: I think there's you know, they're specializing in a sport,
Speaker 8: picking a path early on, getting additional training, getting you know,
Speaker 8: the year round training, you know. So I think all
Speaker 8: that is the bar has been raised, I think for
Speaker 8: the most part.
Speaker 9: In a good way. I think some people would argue
Speaker 9: in a negative way.
Speaker 8: But when they get to our level now, I mean,
Speaker 8: you know, I say back at the year sometimes that
Speaker 8: I worry about these kids and what we've asked them
Speaker 8: to do. You know, we have roughly thirty guys on
Speaker 8: our roster and we've been kind of going you know,
Speaker 8: optional practices in June and then you guys know what you.
Speaker 9: Know, it sounds like in June, and you know.
Speaker 8: We get started officially August first. These kids are training,
Speaker 8: you know, once or twice a day. We practiced at
Speaker 8: two thirty in the afternoon every day. So we're asking
Speaker 8: these kids to come out, and I honestly think the
Speaker 8: first day of practice was October twenty ninth, where it
Speaker 8: wasn't ninety five or above when we trained, you know,
Speaker 8: and we have you know, fifteen kids who honestly, they
Speaker 8: don't play very much. They sit on the roster, but
Speaker 8: they don't get a lot of opportunities actually.
Speaker 9: In the big games.
Speaker 8: And these kids sacrifice everything to be there, you know.
Speaker 8: And I'm getting a little bit out of my soapboxing
Speaker 8: a little bit.
Speaker 9: And hopefully I'm not taking too much of your time.
Speaker 9: You know, in this day and age where you know,
Speaker 9: everybody wants to be on ESPN Top ten and everybody's
Speaker 9: worried about their brand, right, and we got these kids
Speaker 9: who just come.
Speaker 8: Out every day and put the work in. They don't
Speaker 8: get the notoriety. But the reality is we're not where
Speaker 8: we're at it. We don't have those fifteen kids coming
Speaker 8: out to practice every day, and they get lost in
Speaker 8: the shuffle.
Speaker 9: I mean, they are so vital to our success and
Speaker 9: always have been to the program.
Speaker 8: And they're mostly local kids who just want to play
Speaker 8: and make.
Speaker 9: So many sacrifices physically, emotionally, socially, financially to be a
Speaker 9: part of the program. And we're just very fortunate we
Speaker 9: get those types of kids in the program all the time.
Speaker 2: We'll come back to the team in a second, but
Speaker 2: I want to ask you this question. I don't think
Speaker 2: NIL has affected a PEMA. I've talked to a few
Speaker 2: coaches there. You don't probably see it maybe down the road,
Speaker 2: but how do you think you'd be the coach for
Speaker 2: a kid who's making next amount of money and he's
Speaker 2: paying for you, and then have to either discipline him
Speaker 2: or not play him or something like that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that would be a learning experience for me. And
Speaker 8: you know, Steve, I've been doing this a long time,
Speaker 8: so I'm kind of old and said of my ways,
Speaker 8: you know, getting a little bit crumpier as a get
Speaker 8: older even, And I think that would be that would
Speaker 8: be a hard adjustment for me, you know. And I'm
Speaker 8: watching what's happened across the country and.
Speaker 9: As you guys probably saw it, that whole thing with
Speaker 9: Tony Bennett at Virginia really caught me.
Speaker 8: Off guard, and I think he talked about, you know,
Speaker 8: the game is just kind of bypassing what he thought
Speaker 8: it should be, and he stepped down, you know, because
Speaker 8: he thought that.
Speaker 9: It was the best thing for the school, which is
Speaker 9: you know, I think terrific that he recognizes it. But
Speaker 9: I do think those those type of situations are changing
Speaker 9: the coaching job, and sooner or later it will trickle
Speaker 9: down to the junior colleges. There's no doubt about it,
Speaker 9: you know. You know, in.
Speaker 8: Particular in our sport, at the Division IE level, their
Speaker 8: captain rosters next year, so they you know, a lot
Speaker 8: of schools would have carried thirty forty kids. They're only
Speaker 8: going to be allowed to carry twenty eight now at
Speaker 8: the Division one level.
Speaker 9: So you're going to see kids trickling down now who
Speaker 9: may not have been in junior college, they would have
Speaker 9: been at a four year institution. And I think all
Speaker 9: these little things are going to change how we have
Speaker 9: to do our job, and it's going to be challenging.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 9: The great thing though, at the end of.
Speaker 8: The day is if you have a good relationship with
Speaker 8: the kids and they're willing to work for you and
Speaker 8: they believe in you. I still think you can make
Speaker 8: it all work. It's just going to be a little
Speaker 8: different than it has been.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, these are crazy times, especially for coaches like
Speaker 2: you know, you're Bennett example, hits it on the head
Speaker 2: because he's a great coach, and you know, why why
Speaker 2: deal with that type of stuff? So now back to
Speaker 2: back to your team. What's what makes this team special?
Speaker 2: And maybe who's not the single anybody else, but you know,
Speaker 2: you have some players on there who's kind of been
Speaker 2: the the the the studs out there.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know again, we're you know, our starting lineup
Speaker 8: is you know, full of second year players, which makes
Speaker 8: them a little bit older. They were with the team
Speaker 8: last year at the national tournament. So I think that
Speaker 8: experience and you kind of mentioned that motivation that we didn't.
Speaker 9: And the season the way we thought we should have
Speaker 9: has really you know, bonded the team and put us,
Speaker 9: you know, very focused on some certain goals we set
Speaker 9: for ourselves. We're fortunate we have a lot of really
Speaker 9: good players, you know, local kids like DeAndre Picket, who
Speaker 9: you know, was named the Conference player of the Year
Speaker 9: this year. He was an All American last year. I
Speaker 9: think he'll be an All American again this year. Are
Speaker 9: our team captain and leader, Brandon Sanchez from CDO And
Speaker 9: I think you've even had these guys on your show before.
Speaker 9: But you know, these guys, these guys.
Speaker 8: Are great, and they set the tone for the team, and.
Speaker 9: They're very motivated, motivated. Brandon is one of the single
Speaker 9: best leaders I've ever had in my twenty seven years
Speaker 9: at beam Up. So you know, he he sets the
Speaker 9: tone for the entire team, and you know, he has
Speaker 9: a core group of guys who believe in what he's
Speaker 9: doing and that support him. And honestly, it's easy I
Speaker 9: just show up to practice.
Speaker 8: These guys, you know, they pretty much are self motivated,
Speaker 8: they self discipline. You know, they make my job really
Speaker 8: easy and it's it's.
Speaker 9: Actually been one of the most enjoyable years.
Speaker 2: I've ever had, right, No, and you've had some very
Speaker 2: very good ones. Does it seem I'm gonna get this wrong?
Speaker 3: What three? Four years?
Speaker 2: How many Who was the last time you won the title?
Speaker 9: Oh? Well, and nobody's counting, but it's three three?
Speaker 2: So does this well three? Does it seem a long
Speaker 2: time ago? Or just like yesterday because you know, you
Speaker 2: did it, you know, pretty quickly go back to back.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you know, we we won it every three years,
Speaker 8: so we're hopefully in that cycle again where it's three years. Honestly,
Speaker 8: you know, because we haven't had the best results in
Speaker 8: the last couple of years. It seems like it's been
Speaker 8: a long time since we, you know, competed for a
Speaker 8: national championship. So for me, it seems like a long time.
Speaker 8: Reality is, it's just been two seasons. This is the third,
Speaker 8: you know, and we're fortunate enough that we.
Speaker 9: Get to talk about, well, it's been just a couple
Speaker 9: of years in between national championships. I mean, I realized
Speaker 9: how that sounds. You know, not many programs get to say,
Speaker 9: right but you know, since we're we're at, we're we're at,
Speaker 9: you know, it does seem like a long time to me.
Speaker 2: Right then, I'm gonna ask it question two. You have
Speaker 2: a big roster blah blah blah. I'm sure a lot
Speaker 2: of the kids or some of the kids have never
Speaker 2: been on a plane before, or maybe they.
Speaker 8: Have, you know, I don't know, but I'm guessing there's
Speaker 8: gonna be a couple I mean, I can speak for myself.
Speaker 8: You know, even with all the soccer and all the
Speaker 8: travel and I've done, I've never even been in the
Speaker 8: state of Alabama. So I'm kind of excited about you know,
Speaker 8: you know, seeing a new part of the country, seeing.
Speaker 9: A new state, seeing you know, new facilities. And I
Speaker 9: would imagine most of my my roster would feel the
Speaker 9: same way.
Speaker 8: And I'm sure there are a couple of guys who
Speaker 8: haven't traveled, you know, especially within a large group poart,
Speaker 8: maybe even on a plane.
Speaker 9: So hopefully we can make it a really good experience.
Speaker 2: For them, right, no, no question. Well, Dave, good luck
Speaker 2: to you. Thanks those always were coming on the show.
Speaker 5: Goch great meeting you, and good luck to your team.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's always great talking to you guys the second
Speaker 9: time in the year.
Speaker 8: It means I haven't done anything that bad and.
Speaker 9: Screwed things up pretty much. It usually means.
Speaker 8: I've done something all right, So it's always great.
Speaker 9: Calling you guys back in November, right right, thank you, David.
Speaker 2: I want a shirt, you know, it's been three years
Speaker 2: since I got my last shirt.
Speaker 9: All right, Well, we'll wait a couple weeks and hopefully
Speaker 9: we can add something to the shirts that we have
Speaker 9: maybe add a little for soccer. At the star that
Speaker 9: we're always chasing. We can put a third star on
Speaker 9: that before we give them to you, guys.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, thanks man, good luck to.
Speaker 9: You all right, thanks guys.
Speaker 2: Dave Cosgrove, pemahead soccer coach, Very good coach, coach my kids.
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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to My on the Ball hero Fox
Speaker 2: Sports fourteen fifty. Oh, Steve Rivera, You're Larry Gilman. We
Speaker 2: got Henry finishing this up today. Thank you Heny for
Speaker 2: doing this. I was freaking out yesterday, Panicky Marl. Guess
Speaker 2: what I get to do pre co counting panic take
Speaker 2: over the system again tomorrow and I have a pretty
Speaker 2: good guest tomorrow, mister coach Slopez.
Speaker 3: And you don't really I.
Speaker 5: Talk with him when we talked about Pete Rose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, is that right right? Because he's coming back.
Speaker 2: Everybody loved him. He's a great storyteller. So he'll be
Speaker 2: in tomorrow. Hopefully he remembers this. So we're gonna be
Speaker 2: next week. We're gonna be at the casino the Soul
Speaker 2: where you can you know, play bingo, cosmic bingo, the
Speaker 2: movie special selections.
Speaker 3: So all have you played at? Swell you golf? Don't you?
Speaker 5: I do golf. I play golf.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're any good at it.
Speaker 7: I for as much as I play, it's it's almost shameful.
Speaker 3: How bad I well, that's golf.
Speaker 7: I play three times a week all year long, really
Speaker 7: all in Colorado when on the summer and then here
Speaker 7: and I'm.
Speaker 3: What do you mean by bad?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: What's the number eighty something?
Speaker 7: I should know when I break one hundred now, it's
Speaker 7: a good oh. So yeah, and I wasn't that bad
Speaker 7: not that long ago. So I've got yeah, I've got
Speaker 7: a good. Get a psychiatrist. I gotta get a coach.
Speaker 5: I got it. That's too much, the whole thing.
Speaker 2: That's too much work. That's why I don't do it.
Speaker 2: That's why I don't do it. I don't hit the
Speaker 2: ball hard.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I'll drive the car, but that's all I do. I
Speaker 2: would be frustrated if I.
Speaker 7: Were you guys, just happy to be out there that
Speaker 7: it limits my frustration. But if I had any pride
Speaker 7: at all, I would be very frustrated.
Speaker 3: Have you got that the casino down there?
Speaker 5: So I have not.
Speaker 7: I tend to stick around so Lotti, but I like.
Speaker 2: It, Laddy do the makes seasonal selections? Uh, Thursdays you
Speaker 2: can go in and play some games there. Uh the
Speaker 2: little big wheel, big money that's later this month or
Speaker 2: in this month, so sports obviously, go and and bet
Speaker 2: on the games there.
Speaker 3: You probably have the wireless. You probably do it on
Speaker 3: your pollering.
Speaker 5: Oh I do.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: You can wake way too much. Thank god, I never bet.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 7: People talk about gambling being an addictive, and I'm sure
Speaker 7: it is, but I have found the perfect antidote for
Speaker 7: too much gambling is losing money. Losing money has always
Speaker 7: just stopped me in my track.
Speaker 2: Well, you did it forever in your real world of stocks, right, yeah?
Speaker 2: And how was that feeling?
Speaker 7: Same kind of feeling, I'm sure, well it is, you
Speaker 7: know there, it's sort of buying a stock is sort
Speaker 7: of I mean, making a bet on the game is transactional.
Speaker 5: Buying a stock is like getting married.
Speaker 3: Something I don't like doing. But go ahead.
Speaker 7: Well I've only done it twice, but I think that
Speaker 7: on the day you do it, you think.
Speaker 5: It's going to be forever.
Speaker 7: Okay, but either something better comes along or you didn't
Speaker 7: get what you thought you got and you make a
Speaker 7: different decision if that happens.
Speaker 5: So it's it's really more like a relationship than it
Speaker 5: is a transaction.
Speaker 3: Oh, I've never heard his point said that way.
Speaker 5: A philosopher on unless you want me to get deep.
Speaker 3: No, I liked it. You didn't get what you want
Speaker 3: or you found something better. Pretty much accurate, accurate.
Speaker 2: Uh see, Henry, don't get married man, happy life, not today?
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't do it today or tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hey, okay, So you know, if you're head to
Speaker 2: to Casino, go see us next Thursday. We'll be out
Speaker 2: there Jay and I talking sports, of course, trying to
Speaker 2: get some good people out to go down and be
Speaker 2: with us.
Speaker 3: Uh. So here we are finals.
Speaker 2: You talked about being in Ohio, uh and with and
Speaker 2: Bo was a coaching right, I'm sorry, I said once,
Speaker 2: I said, I said, oh no, the Ohio state coach.
Speaker 2: So so how would he have survived today?
Speaker 7: He would have You know, you remember al campanis, yes,
Speaker 7: oh yeah, yes about that? Well, I mean what he
Speaker 7: Hayes was a guy who was used to having complete control.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 5: It was not a time.
Speaker 7: I mean that was the days when you didn't let
Speaker 7: your players drink water during practice because it made him soft.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 7: And there were certain beliefs that you know, he was
Speaker 7: very committed to the running game, said, I said, He
Speaker 7: he told me once that, and I'm sure he told
Speaker 7: a lot of other people that there are only three
Speaker 7: things that can happen if you passed the football, and
Speaker 7: two of them are bad. So he liked to keep
Speaker 7: it on the ground and he three yards in a
Speaker 7: cloud of dust was how he described his office.
Speaker 5: So but he was very authoritarian. Did not you know,
Speaker 5: political correctness or any kind of correctness was not part
Speaker 5: of his resume or his routine. And I don't know.
Speaker 7: I think he became a legend at the perfect time
Speaker 7: for him because back then, I mean and Ohio in particular,
Speaker 7: I went to school in Ohio.
Speaker 5: I lived there for fifteen years.
Speaker 7: I remember in Masalon, Ohio, which is where Paul Brown,
Speaker 7: who founded the Cleveland Browns and then the Bengals, got
Speaker 7: his start as a high school coach. A few years
Speaker 7: after he left, they hired a new coach and he
Speaker 7: lost his first game and there was a for sale
Speaker 7: sign on his house when he got home.
Speaker 2: So you know, I've heard all those cliches because they're
Speaker 2: probably true.
Speaker 3: True.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Now, we referee at college and I once had
Speaker 7: to have a police escort they get out of the
Speaker 7: of the property.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 2: Well, so you're talking about today's world of gambling, and
Speaker 2: I mean that was the internet.
Speaker 5: This was all emotion.
Speaker 7: They had a twenty thousand state seat stadium in Masslin
Speaker 7: for high school football, I mean, which back then, yeah,
Speaker 7: was unheard of.
Speaker 2: This is a dumb question because I'm sure you don't
Speaker 2: miss those days. But I'm sure you remember them fondly
Speaker 2: because back in the day they had the bullshit, They
Speaker 2: had the coaches of you know, these towering men of
Speaker 2: just right fame and I'm not sure about fortunate, but fame,
Speaker 2: and they win games and the Ludelsns of the time,
Speaker 2: you know, right, And now you don't see that anymore.
Speaker 3: I don't think you see that anymore.
Speaker 7: Well, I think that you know, we now live in
Speaker 7: a time when essentially everyone is a free agent. I
Speaker 7: mean people, Yeah, people, it's all transactional, it's all temporary,
Speaker 7: it's all about and I think that's a reflection of
Speaker 7: our whole society. I mean, you go back to those
Speaker 7: days people in Ohio, uh, would would graduate high school
Speaker 7: or whatever, and they'd get a job at the General
Speaker 7: Motors plant and they'd be there their whole lot. Sure, today,
Speaker 7: statistics show that the average high school graduate will work
Speaker 7: for at least eight different entities during his career. I mean,
Speaker 7: people just move around. And it's nowhere is that more
Speaker 7: common than in sports. Sure, Uh that people now play
Speaker 7: and they shop themselves, and they you know, and and
Speaker 7: uh that.
Speaker 5: Was never a part of the deal. That's why Portal
Speaker 5: there was none of this.
Speaker 2: There's another reason why I don't like sports, because you
Speaker 2: don't know I a group of Cincinnati ridgemen right, a
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboy fan, and a Sixers fan. I don't really
Speaker 2: follow the Sixers that much anymore, if at all. No,
Speaker 2: A Warriors guy because of Steve Kerr. But Cowboys I
Speaker 2: know maybe two people, uh persons and Deck maybe the receiver,
Speaker 2: but I gave that up a long time ago. They're
Speaker 2: just not winning under under Jones a long time ago.
Speaker 2: And then Cincinnati, I know Dylan Cruz and outside of that,
Speaker 2: I have no idea who's on that roster right, and
Speaker 2: now that Francona is the manager, I know him, but.
Speaker 3: There's no there's no loyalty to the teams.
Speaker 7: But why half the players who are on the roster
Speaker 7: of to day will be gone.
Speaker 3: There's no loyalcy on the team. Why should I be
Speaker 3: loyal to the team?
Speaker 5: Exactly? It's harder. Yeah, and now with fantasy.
Speaker 7: Sports exactly where you're loyal to the player and not
Speaker 7: the team I mean, and the gambling part. I mean
Speaker 7: everything in society and the trends are working to the
Speaker 7: disadvantage of traditional being a fan or fandoms. So you know,
Speaker 7: you can only prevail over so many outside influences, and
Speaker 7: you know you just have to go with the flow
Speaker 7: and do the best you can.
Speaker 2: Well, it's when you talk about fantasy. You see you're
Speaker 2: on four for fantasy leagues. So for like baseball, best
Speaker 2: all football, all football. Okay, So to me, I don't
Speaker 2: do that? Did I twenty five years ago?
Speaker 9: Did it?
Speaker 3: Did my draft?
Speaker 2: And then I and then I stuck with my draft
Speaker 2: because I drafted him for a reason, right, I'm loyal
Speaker 2: to a fault. So I end up at the bottom,
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, what am I doing here? I don't really,
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not emotionally involved. I don't want to
Speaker 2: care too much. So it's not for me because you know,
Speaker 2: they're playing against the team that I loyally fall right,
Speaker 2: I don't want them to have a good game, but
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 3: What's the point is I mixed emotions?
Speaker 7: It really becomes sort of a cult unto itself. I
Speaker 7: used to play duplicate bridge a lot when I was
Speaker 7: a lot younger, and it's the same kind of thing.
Speaker 7: I mean, there are all kinds of things going on today,
Speaker 7: certainly in the crypto world and in memes and mimes
Speaker 7: and NFTs, which my son did for a living for
Speaker 7: a while. I mean, there's a language, there's a culture,
Speaker 7: and I mean I could be sitting there as a
Speaker 7: reasonably intelligent person and having people speak English and not
Speaker 7: understand a word they're saying because it's just a different
Speaker 7: mindset and.
Speaker 5: A different language.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, no, it's crazy. That's why I don't
Speaker 2: do It's too much information for me. And I used
Speaker 2: to eat that stuff up all the time. You knew
Speaker 2: what everybody was hitting, where they were they hit, you
Speaker 2: know how they hit, their stats and now it's like.
Speaker 7: Every encyclopedic and you know who else knew that was
Speaker 7: Pete Rose. If you woke rose up in the middle
Speaker 7: of the night out of a dead sleep and asked
Speaker 7: him how many doubles he had in his career, he
Speaker 7: could tell you in a session. He knew his own
Speaker 7: stats inside out of everyone else's stats. I mean told
Speaker 7: me once that if there weren't a game of baseball,
Speaker 7: he'd be selling aluminum sighting like his dad did, right
Speaker 7: because he was. He said, thankfully there is, and I'm
Speaker 7: good at it.
Speaker 5: So but he was so obsessed.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, you talked about that when he when he passed.
Speaker 2: Uh did you see that? I think I may have
Speaker 2: asked you this when he was doing some Fox broadcasting,
Speaker 2: right and he was showing Rod Rodriguez, and uh, the
Speaker 2: he talks guy I forget his name, Mark Thomas, Rank Thomas,
Speaker 2: and then you know, stepping in the plate, stepping out
Speaker 2: of the plate, blubba. And they were like fascinated of
Speaker 2: his way of thinking. And you're thinking, now we know
Speaker 2: why this guy was good.
Speaker 5: He was the greatest hitter who ever lived. I mean,
Speaker 5: not a power hitter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just if you wanted somebody on base, you.
Speaker 7: Know, and most of it you know with self. I
Speaker 7: mean he he played baseball his whole life.
Speaker 2: He never went He probably overthought everything, like overthought, because
Speaker 2: you know, that's what he did. He thought all the
Speaker 2: time about numbers, where to stand, where to hit, how
Speaker 2: to do it, where to move, blah blah blah.
Speaker 7: But he had more than anyone else, and this earned
Speaker 7: him a lot of criticism because the level of intensity.
Speaker 7: You know, they called him Charlie Hustle because when he walked,
Speaker 7: he would run the first base at top speed.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And then of course the famous.
Speaker 7: Play in the All Star Game where he bowled over
Speaker 7: Ray Fosse and ended his career, sure in a game
Speaker 7: that was played for and gegles And.
Speaker 5: But that was Rose.
Speaker 2: That's the funny thing about it is he had this
Speaker 2: fantastic career and that moment you just brought up is
Speaker 2: in the top five when you mentioned stuff. Not the
Speaker 2: hits and not the the hits and stuff in the
Speaker 2: World Series, but that's one of them that he eliminated
Speaker 2: some guy's career because he was so intensive.
Speaker 5: To score on a play in the All Star Game.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, I mean that's just kind of game defines
Speaker 2: who he.
Speaker 5: Was and people loved him for that and they hated
Speaker 5: him for that, right.
Speaker 3: Right, depends who you were.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's why a lot of people loved him
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati probably still did or do did you was
Speaker 2: March March the owner Back.
Speaker 7: Then March was about to become the owner. There was
Speaker 7: there was sort of going through a thing. There was
Speaker 7: I can't even remember the name of the guy, but
Speaker 7: I know a guy named Dick Wagner was the general
Speaker 7: manager and he may have had a piece of the team,
Speaker 7: but then marg Shott.
Speaker 6: Took it over.
Speaker 2: So so you also mentioned that you were friends with
Speaker 2: Sparky Anderson who very good friends was. We're one of
Speaker 2: the greatest managers of that era.
Speaker 5: And a great human being.
Speaker 7: And the thing that really helped my relationship with with
Speaker 7: Sparky was, you know, we went to Japan together with
Speaker 7: the Reds. We got to be close. His daughter was
Speaker 7: on the trip. I got to know his family. But
Speaker 7: then after I left Cincinnati to go to Milwaukee, he
Speaker 7: became manager of the Detroit Tigers, and then the Brewers
Speaker 7: were in the American League, so he didn't know anybody
Speaker 7: in Milwaukee because he'd been with you know, National League
Speaker 7: all So when he come to we would hang out
Speaker 7: together for two or three days because he didn't know anyone.
Speaker 2: Who did a fantastic jump in Detroit.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, he was the kind of person that was,
Speaker 7: you know, he had no ego, so he really was
Speaker 7: able to sort of coral and get the best out
Speaker 7: of a whole team full of ego maniacs.
Speaker 3: I mean, no, no, no, let's go there.
Speaker 2: How much time we have We have two minutes, probably
Speaker 2: a minute half And then that's perfect segue because that's
Speaker 2: the problem that you have now people kids are getting
Speaker 2: paid not just a little money, a lot of money.
Speaker 2: Now you have to find a coach that can finagle
Speaker 2: those egos or work for those egos.
Speaker 5: A lot of times the coach has an egos out.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but now you have kids who are making
Speaker 2: half a million, four hundred whatever. It's the prices, and
Speaker 2: you got to get them to play for you, coach.
Speaker 2: I get a lot of money. I don't have to listen.
Speaker 5: To you, right, I can play for someone else if you.
Speaker 3: Don't like it. If you don't like it, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go somewhere exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So now you have to kiss a little booty and
Speaker 2: say I want you here. You got to kind of
Speaker 2: suck up to them, and here you are trying to
Speaker 2: give him to play too. It's a dynamic that I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: I know I couldn't do it well.
Speaker 7: I think that Sparky was he had that ability to
Speaker 7: convince players that if they had a bad game, he
Speaker 7: wouldn't bench them. You know, there was a mutual sense
Speaker 7: of commitment and trust that. I think these players, who
Speaker 7: a lot of people forget are just kids. They really
Speaker 7: appreciate that and respond to that. And he was and
Speaker 7: plus he had great hair when he was forty years old,
Speaker 7: so he looked like a grandfather, did.
Speaker 3: You well loot?
Speaker 2: And inverbly from my books, they played hard for him,
Speaker 2: and they said, if you're going to play for your grandfather,
Speaker 2: just figuredarly the last thing you want to do is
Speaker 2: disappoint your grandfather.
Speaker 3: Right, And that's kind of I'm sure I will.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. Yeah, I've been very lucky in my life. Can
Speaker 5: I say amazing people?
Speaker 3: But hey, thanks, thanks, we gotta do this again, come.
Speaker 5: Back another not for this money.
Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks, no one yet, Thanks Henry, I appreciate your time.
Speaker 3: Come in tomorrow please