Speaker 1: Happy Monday, guys. Welcome to pun Time on a Wager
Talk TV. Andrew McGinnis, Carma and Bianco and we are
pumped me back here. You know, I missed doing park
time on the weekends, car, I miss doing shows, and
it's nice to relax. Obviously I did my every game
on the board, you do your six and sixty. But
I always feel ready to go and fired up for
a Monday. So good to be here. We got what
four games here on the Monday slate. Let's hope we
can make it a good one man, some decent games here.
How was your weekend.
Speaker 2: Up and down? Kind of like some of the players
in the NFL who definitely went down. Unfortunately, you never
want to see guys getting hurt. The six and sixty man,
it was, to use a Vegas mob term, it was
eighty six. I think you're wenting like one in five
or one four and one, depending on what you got
the total on in the Colorado game, which was at
six for a while before it went to six and
a half. We will bounce back from that, we always
do NHL. I wanted to quickly talk Andrew. I'm not
sure if you grabbed your coffee yet if you if
you did, if you haven't, you can go and grab
it because I'm gonna do my old man yelling at
it house man I had. I had the over in
in the Dallas game. Dallas and Florida over five and
a half in that game, and then got the best
number because it all the five and a half were
snapped up in the last half hour before the game.
The game started and went to six and it was man.
Florida gets four goals, Dallas shut out at home and
they looked absolutely flat. They I think they had like
fifteen shots on goal. They didn't look good in the
first period. Neither team looked good in the first period.
But I think because of the it was Tyler Sagan
day or night where they honored him, and whatever they
had on the ice obviously contributed to that first period
because that puck was bouncing all over the place. We
talked about bouncing bucks. But they get shut out on
home ice. I looked at the XG afterwards and it
was over six and a half of XG and like, okay,
well the crazy chances, they just couldn't score. So I
apologize if you followed on that Florida play last night.
But other than that, Andrew, it was sort of an
up and down weekend two in one here at one
and two there. It's one of those ones where you
don't get damaged, but you're upset because you didn't win.
And I'm upset twice because not only do my bets
don't My bets don't win for me, but they don't
win for clients either. Like I don't want a client
going five and four. Ye it might sound and because
I'm not laying a lot of big it might not
sound good. I want the guy to go Like if
there's like nine plays between Saturday and Sunday, I want
the guy to go seven and two at worst. I
know it's a lot to ask for, but it's what
you want. We can. We can ask for whatever we want.
But man, some interesting games. And today we're gonna talk
about to the battle of the Sunshine State Florida and
Tampa Bay. That we're going to talk a couple Canadian teams,
Winnipeg and Ottawa. The return of I didn't know he
was due back. I saw nothing of it on Wednesday
all week when I took Washington in the six and
sixty of Connor Hallibuck returning in goal for Winnipeg, and
he looked good. He almost shut them out if it
wasn't for a power play goal in the last three
minutes of the game. But they beat Washington five to one.
And then we're going to finish it off with an
all West battle the La Kings in Dallas to take
on that flat Stars team. See if Dallas rebounds from
being shut out at home ice Andrew, I know you
love the team that doesn't score in their previous game angle,
but we're going to talk about that later. And thanks
guys everyone in the chat. Lost kid, Dude, I feel
so bad for you. Listen. You know we joke around
about right, joke around about teams all season long, and
guys will get on my case or like, why do
you why do you hate my team so much? Why
are you an anti fan or whatever? But the Pittsburgh
Penguins Andrew against the San Jose Sharks allow like four
goals I think it was in the third period over
a twelve minute span, lose the game in ot and
then yesterday the exact same was it yesterday? The exact
same thing. They allow four goals and then lose it
in ot. Man that is unbelievable. Eight or nine third
period goals by the Pittsburgh Penguins allowed on home ice
in their last couple of games. That is rough. I
don't know who you blame. Maybe you blame the coach
for not calling a time out when clearly the team
is in a bit of a shambles. But did you
catch any of those scores, Carve?
Speaker 1: I mean, when it comes down to it, they can.
They couldn't hold a lead if their life depended on
it right now, they could not hold a lead whatsoever
this Pittsburgh team. Are we starting to see teams overall
in the NHL realize who they are. Like people talk
about the American Thanksgiving benchmark, but maybe mid December that
can be our new benchmark. We're starting to find out
some of these teams who they really are. And you know,
just like that, Pittsburgh looked so great and now all
of a sudden they're starting to fall off again. Because
there was a time where we were saying, oh man,
if the Penguins play well, they're not going to want
to trade anybody, and now they're starting to fall off
a little bit. So you know what, car I will
say this, that's san Jose one. I'll be we have
to look at it from a let's look at it
from a glass half full perspective. I'm more impressed with
what San Jose did than disgusted with what Pittsburgh did
because San Jose. Good for them. They continue to come back.
And one thing you got to give that team credit
for is that they can you to fight. They continue
to fight, and I do respect it like they play
a full sixty minutes. It was a frustrating hockey weekend
for me in the NHL caarm because I did my
every game on the board video on Saturday, and so
just like yourself, because you do your six and sixty prep,
I had so many picks that I liked, but I
didn't want to go crazy with the volume. And it
was one of those ones where like a couple of
the plays I left off the board were the ones
that went through. So I saw a lot of guys
were able to make cash and tickets because of my video.
But Tampa Bay was actually my my favorite play of
the day. And it's the shootout losses that are dr
I might be zero and four this year and shootouts
KRM and those can be a bit frustrating, but you
know it was.
Speaker 2: I'm usually on the Vegas Golden Nights when it goes
to overtime, and they have such a miserable OT record.
But listen, not a lot of guys across shows. And
I'm not talking about like Wayger talking about talking about
like anything. Any shows that you see on like or
whatever will admit. We'll admit things like this. Like you know,
on Saturday, I had one NHL play Andrew and and
that's the one to end up losing. But every other
lean that I had, if I had released the six plays,
and I'm not talking about the six and sixty, I'm
talking about the six other plays that I was looking at,
but I left them on the cutting room floor. I'm like,
they just don't seem strong enough. But I like them.
I've got I would have gone one in five with
those plays, So I am glad I didn't release them.
I just don't want to force someone to take a
game in which i'm not I'm not entirely sure. I
want to put my money on and that's that's always
going to be that way with me. But crazy, you know,
you look at the Edmonton Olers, they go into Toronto
Tristan Jarr. They get to win against the Leafs, beat
them like six to three. Andrew great story, my buddy Joe.
You know Joe, you've met Joe, the guy who's the
manager of that sports bar that he he posts an
image of his ticket halfway through the game. He's like,
told you boys, easy money he had. He he always
plays overs in the Leafs games. He he clicked on
under and did not notice he had under six and
a half when in the ticket and posted a picture
of the ticket, thought he had won. When I go, Joe,
I go, you took the under, He's like, oh yeah,
he was pissed right because it literally puts you on tilt.
You tell all your friends and you show him a
ticket and you think you've won, when in fact, we've
all misclicked in our lives. Boys, we all in our lives.
It is going to happen. But what that said? And
then uh and then they go into uh the owners.
Getting back to the story. They go into Montreal yesterday
and the Habs pretty much put on a clinic. The
Habs were the better team from start to finish and
killed off a full two minute power play in the
first period against the Oiler, So kudos to your boys there.
I won't even mention that savers are.
Speaker 1: You don't really see that very often though, Hey, guys,
like I want people to see it in the chat.
Let me know. I mean, how often do you see it?
Two penalties on one play, karm Like, I talked to
somebody and they said, maybe ten times a year, we'll
see that. Like, they had a delayed penalty and then
another player took a penalty, so it was a full
two minutes with the five on three like that was
really tough, especially against the Edmonton Oilers. That's tough. I
do want to mention that I hit my college hockey
free play I gave out on Friday, and college hockey
four percent best bet, so maybe Fridays turned into college
hockey Fridays. I'll give out one play every single Friday.
The cool thing about college hockey, which is why I'm
more comfortable giving those out than the AHL, which I
have been following. But Karen, the AHL, this is a
shit ton of teams, man. There's a lot of teams
in the AHL. But NC Double A it's like football.
They only play every weekend, like junior hockey leagues in Canada.
For us they play on Wednesdays, Thursdays, Tuesdays, but NC
double A Hockey they only play on the weekend. So
it's a bit easier for me to allocate my time
handicapping when they only play on the weekends. All right,
before we get to the show, we do have to
get to the show with the with the with the
games for today. We have this graphic here to pull up,
and I feel like it's important for us to mention this.
This is a massive, massive trade, carm. The last time
you and I talked about a trade together, that trade
was a little bit less groundbreaking with Stuart Skinner and
Tristan Jari. This time Quinn hughes, he gets his wish,
he gets out of Vancouver. Rumor has it that he
respectfully requested out. Obviously the team is not going in
the right direction. But look at the quantity that Van
Hoover gets back. They get a defenseman, they get a forward,
they get a lot for this this this one player,
twenty twenty six first round pick Liam ogrin Ze William
and Marco Rossi and Karl. The only thing is with
this deal here is that he is only under contract
for a short period of time. This was not a
sign and trade deal, so he did say, oh, well,
you know, I'm you know, could certainly be interested in
signing long term. We'll see what happens. This is a
lot to give up for a player that might not
stay for the next several years. If Minnesota is able
to sign him, this is a banger of a trade.
But especially if they don't sign him. I actually have
to tip my cap to the Minnesota Wild for what
they were able to do. I see uh yeah comments
in here talking about this. Vancouver hauled in a major catch.
Look at the end of the day, it's you never
want to lose a top player in the league. You know,
Quinny Hughes isn't just one of the best defensemen in
the league, He's one of the best players in the league.
But I thought they did a pretty good job. And
guess what, Zev william gets a goal and assist in
his first game as a Vancouver Canuck. Marco Rossi is
a great centerman, but he's injured. And Liam Olgrin good
prospect and twenty twenty six first round pick. So carm
your quick thoughts on this street.
Speaker 2: I hope I don't piss off any Minnesota Wild fans
like Terry Edelman, but they're going to have to They're
going to have to give him a huge sack of
money in order for him to stay. It could turn
out to be a rental player for the season, which
means that they gave up a lot and Vancouver wins
that trade because if he truly wants to play with
his bros, they're going to find a way of making
it happen. So we'll see what what what comes of it.
But yeah, you have to look sort of look at
some of these organizations and uh, you know, Vancouver played
well in their first game without uh, without Hughes. It's
it's kind of like always that bump after after a
move and when a player leaves or like when a
player gets injured. So we'll see, you know, we'll see
what happens with regards to this trade. But it's gonna
take a lot of money in order to keep them there,
and they dished out they do have the money there
they I think, I'm pretty sure I saw they can.
They can and do have the cap space where they
don't have to front front load a contract. But they
did give Caprizov a nice chunk of change as well,
too in Minnesota. So we're going to see, Uh, if
nothing else, I live in a city or just north
of it that puts all of their eggs in one
basket when it comes to their hockey teams and their players,
and it backfires on them. So obviously that's the core
four we're talking about in Toronto, and we're going to
talk about ask Austin Matthews and the Fall of Austin
Matthews on Wednesday show. Yeah, there's some very interesting numbers
on the X and when you look at them, they
are troubling. But we'll talk about that because we got
to talk about Florida in Tampa Bay. Andrew, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Can just one more thing. I get the thought, and
I'm with you that it's like a lot to trade for.
The only thing I'll say is that I respect a
team going for it, like if this is a lot
for a rental player. But Minnesota they're kind of like
the Carolina Hurricanes of the of the Western Conference, don't
you think, Like every year they make the playoffs, it
seems like, and every year they get bounced in the
first round or they're in around that wild card. Maybe
they're trying to get over the hump. Maybe they're trying
to be taken seriously for the first time in a while,
like it takes a lot. Like look at Carolina, they
tried to get Miko Ranton. He didn't want to be there.
You try to get certain people they don't want to
be there. One one thing I love about the NHL
is how you know teams can be different this year
than they were last year, or that you know the
black Hawks are doing better, the Sharks are doing better.
I do respect that the Stones that Billy Garren head
for Minnesota for going out and getting Quinny Hughes, because
you don't see that enough in the league anymore. But
you know, all he can do is try as general manager.
Because you know, one guy named Kevin Adams for the
Buffalo Sabers, he's about to lose his job because he
probably hasn't been trying enough for making these trades. So
I think you got to respect a guy for trying.
You gotta respect a guy.
Speaker 2: And I do, and and and the last word on
this one is obviously my take is that I would
rather see some teams in the East, which I think
the Eastern Conference is much more wide open and than
where one or two key players could put a team
over the top, and especially beating the team. I'm not
gonna have a team that could be having a down
year because of the injuries, which is Florida. Matthew t
Chuck should be back. They're talking about in I think
they said in December, sorry in January, but Barkof likely
likely he's gone for the whole season, could return for
the playoffs. When they say could return for the playoffs,
that's normally not a good sign there. I just think
the Western Conference is so tough for a team to
make it out of the Western Conference. You have Vegas,
You've got Colorado, You've got Dallas. For a team like Minnesota,
who's a very good team, they've got to beat likely
two of those in a seven game series, and I'm
not sure if they can do it, but we shall see.
With that said, let's get to it because the comments
later on are gonna be like, come on, guys, give
us some winners. Tampa Bay minus one thirty five, Florida
plus one eleven. End of the road trip for Florida,
they're back at home, not at home, but in the
Sunshine State. Five and a half is the total here
Andrew where you're going with this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of funny here, Karl, because both teams
doing some traveling, right, not just the pan Like you know,
we had the Panthers a couple of games on the road,
Mammoth Avalanche Stars, and then of course the Lightning with
that what was it, the the What Devils, Islanders, Canadians Leafs.
I mean, they had a little bit of a roadie
of their own. So this one's kind of interesting because
you know, they put up an eight spot against the Devils,
and of course I was on them against the Islanders
the next game against in New York because I thought
that rapid revenge angle was going to be there. You know,
they had already gone zero to two against the New
York Islanders, not playing very well. Figured to be a
game they would take seriously. They had lost to the
Islanders just two weeks ago and got shut out against them,
and they didn't really show up. Look at this Panthers team, though,
I think they caught the Dallas Stars in a tough situation.
That was one of the plays that I talked about
on my show, did lean towards the Panthers side, and
that one didn't get to the window unfortunately. But Karen,
when I look at this one, this to me is
gonna be penalty filled. It's gonna be action packed. And
I think with both teams so well traveled, I think
the overs in play here. I think we see these
two teams, they always get up for games against each other.
I know we've got two good goaltenders, but I kind
of lean towards the over. You know, both teams well traveled,
there should be some fatigue mixed in there. There's been
some good results there as well. I think that we
get some goals in this one. And looking at some
of the metrics here for this Florida team, you know
they have been playing some tough teams and even in
the games they haven't gone over a lot of the
numbers say they should be going over as they've certainly
been finding their offense a bit more. Bennett has been
picking it up, Ryan Hart has been picking it up,
and it's been very good to see Tampa Bay get
a lot healthier. So I don't know what it is.
Maybe the Islanders just have the Lightning's number, but they
couldn't score on that team. But I think tonight they'll
find some. So Monday night over. I think Tampa and
Florida the battle of the Sunshine State. I think we
do get an over here in carm obviously looking at
a game here in which you know, we've got one
team coming back home after a road trip. One team
is the last game of the road trip. But we
always talk about like the first game back home after
a road trip, is it a successful road trip? And
I think that Tampa's gonna have a bitter taste in
their mouth after that shootout loss. They sure they put
up eight against the Devils, and they won a couple
of games in a row, but I still think they're
gonna be real motivated in this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think whether you've been on the road
for five games, two games, whether it's the beginning of
the season or end of the season, that these teams
need any more motivation than facing each other on the ice.
They don't like each other. It is a rivalry like
the Toronto Montreal one. How the Ottawa the Ottawa and
Montreal one has become now Calgary and Edmonton where the
teams just do not like each other and uh, and
we see power plays and hopefully we see power play goals.
So it wouldn't bother me if you like the over
in this one, because it's a it's at five and
a half as opposed to six, so and this very
well could hit six at some point. You know, well,
when we talk about like the end of the road trip,
and it's been a very good road trip for for Florida,
and we'll see how they ended tonight in Tampa Bay.
But you know, they return home, Andrew and uh, it's
it's a little tougher at home. It's like when we
talk about wanting to fade them, and that's just talking
about like the rest of this week. They come home,
they play the La Kings, who have been a very
good team on the road. Then they get the Carolina
Panthers come into town. After that, they got the Blues
and they got Carolina and Tampa up next again. Uh,
we're gonna see if if this Florida Panthers team is
actually back in having won for their last five games.
You know, they didn't look good in Colorado, but the
Colorado Avalanche make a lot of teams look bad and
they have done so this season. So you know with that,
you know, with that said, this is one of those
ones where you know, that game. In that game for
Tampa Bay in New York on the weekend, they gave
it a go. They played well, but but you know,
we talked about this the the Islanders played just a
little bit better to get that game into Ot to
get a point out of it, and then winning in
a shootout, which is a skills competition. I'd never say
you're on the right side of the wrong side of
it bet whether wins or loses in a shootout, because
it's essentially it's a skills competition and could go either way.
I would probably lay the dollar thirty five here on
Tampa at home. They be Florida earlier this year three
to one in Florida. I think it was at the
beginning of November. I could see them doing it doing
it again here. I think they got a bad taste
in their mouth about how that road trip ended in
New York. They come home and it's been a long
trip for Florida, a successful trip for them as well too.
But it wouldn't surprise me if this game went to
Ot Andrew as well too. So there's no Tailanders in
this game, but this one could see a little extra
time in it. So give me the I'm gonna lay
the little bit of juice here. It's not very often
you see Tampa Bay at home at minus one thirty
five when they're having a good season. So with that said,
I think that's they're giving Florida a lot more respect
in this one. But I plus one eleven is not
enough for me on Florida.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it, I get it. And you know what,
Tampa Bay's numbers overall have been pretty solid. So I
like what you said there, karm Like, it doesn't really
need motivation for these two teams to get together. You
don't need any type of reason for these two teams
to get fired up to play each other. So I'm
with you, and I think that look at how Tampa
Bay was playing before they even got healthy, and now
you get Kucharov point Vassilevsky healthy, and the team's looking
pretty good. So and the thing is, you talk about
it being like a skills competition, So if they're one
loss they've had recently is in a shootout, they're collecting
points every game and to your point with yeah, that
draw price is actually pretty good. This could be a
good draw night for that. So if you can the
thing is I don't like to get any draw price
under plus three hundred, and this one is plus three twenty,
So I'm with you on that one. I think it
could be a good one. Could be a good player
prop game as well. I'm gonna be posting some player
props on Instagram and stuff later, but could be a
good player prop game.
Speaker 2: Yep, I think Panda post a little earlier. You need
to find a dance partner for a to go along
with the third period over in the in this game.
And I completely see where he comes from because it's
one of the reasons why I like John Cooper is
if he's down a couple of goals, he pulls his
goalie with like six minutes left. He could be down
three goals and he'll pull his goalie with about seven
minutes left to him. It does not matter whether they
lose five to one or three to one. He's just
gonna pull his goalie try and give his team a
chance to get back into the game. But you're paying
You're paying the viig on that over one and a
half in the third period, So yes, you need to
find a dance partner for that one. Andrew, this game
is really interesting to me. This next one, the bat
a Canadian battle here Winnipeg. Same price as the game
we just talked about Winnipeg one thirty five at home
Ottawa plus one to eleven. The total sits here at six.
I want your thoughts on this one because this is
going to be my pod play as well too, and
I'll explain why after I hear from you.
Speaker 1: Well, Carl, I think we got our answer to the
question of do the Winnipeg Jets heavily, heavily, heavily rely
upon their goaltender. I think we got our answer to that.
You know. That's one thing I will say is that
we got our answer when Hellabuck was out. And to
be honest, it's no offense to Eric Comriy here. It's
not as much of offense to Eric Comriy as it
really is to just how this team was playing in
front of him, and I'm sure he wasn't nearly as
good as Hella Buck is going to be. We got
our answer to how much they rely upon him. Now
he comes back, and to your point, you talked about
it that it wasn't really confirmed, it comes back and
gets the victory for them. Now this Senators team has
lost for the last five games. I believe they're struggling
a little bit. And we have seen the Jets, you know,
kind of start to look better in their last couple
of games, even when they didn't have Hellabuck. They've also
been playing some tough opponents. I know the Oilers haven't
been great overall this year, but they've been turning it around.
The Stars the Bruins have been better this year, and
then of course they beat the Capitals. This to me, Karen,
when I look at this one, I'm gonna not get
ahead of your your money line play. This to me
is an under to look at. You know, if you
can find a six, that's nice that we you can
you get the push worst case scenario hopefully. But I
think Winnipeg having Hellibuck mat back and playing at home
here this goes back to old fashioned, old school Winnipeg hockey.
And I think that when you look at a team
like Ottawa struggling the way they are, they have to
emphasize defense. And I know that overall this team's gotten healthier.
They've got stutslow, they've got Bathrooston, they've got get shucked,
They've got all their snipers out there. But when it
ultimately comes down to it, when you get out of
a funk, you have to get out of a funk
with defensive hockey, I believe, So I would not be
shocked to see Winnipeg drag Ottawa into that type of game.
So I'll go look to look towards the under here.
But you know, Karen, I know you've got a side
play in this one, but I'll just add that. Like
it seems like this team it's like a confidence thing.
It's like, remember what you said, what was it last
Thursday when you said, you know what, if we have
the mumpshade Canadians goalie making his debut, I'm interested in
backing him because sometimes it gives you a spark, right,
and they won. They played well defensively. Well, how good
defensively did Winnipeg look in front of Connor Hellibuck? So
maybe that made a little bit of their difference. So
I like the under in this one here? What about you?
What's the side you've got for us?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I expect Connor Hellibuck to be in goal tonight
because in looking at Winnipeg schedule, it is spaced out.
They play at home tonight and then they're on the
road I think for the next three games, and there's
no back to backs in there, so he's going to
get the majority of these at least these next four games.
But he should be starting tonight off of that effort
because they need to make up some they need to
make up some points in the standings. But you know,
with that said, if there was ever a live dog
and one that seems to hang out in every game,
it is the Autowa Senators. And I'm gonna explain this
from an XG point of view. You look at their
last eight games, andrew the Autowa Senators, and they've gone
something like two and six the last eight games, but
they've never been out of any single game, and their
numbers are better than every single team that they've played.
They've generated over eight games, thirty point thirty point three
to three expected goals, which is three point seventy eight
something like that, I believe, But they've only scored twenty
four in those games, so they're underperforming by about six
almost seven goals. They've allowed twenty four of XG, which
isn't good either, but it's not too bad. It's only
three per game or four per game. But they've allowed
twenty eight goals. You look at the high danger chances,
They've had a majority of the high danger chances. I
think they've only trailed in one game as far as
high danger chances shots on goal. They've let shots on goal.
Even though that's not a very strong metric, you still
have to look at it. They're getting the opportunities to score,
they can't seem to find the net at some point.
These are markers that can tell you a team is
on the cusp of getting a win. Now, it's how
fully invested you want to be on that team before
they actually get the wins. But this is a team
that I think is sitting on a win. And in
a game like this, we should see Linus all mark
and it's the two goals should be all mark and
and hellabuck and I'll check those ones. I've done this.
I actually believe the Autowa Centers have a very good
shot of winning this game. I'm gonna take the plus
one to ten.
Speaker 1: I will say karm with the fact that it's on
home ice for the winning peg Jets. It is kind
of a weird number. It's a bit of a weird number,
you know. It kind of intrigues me. Yeah, it kind
of treats me look towards that side as well. So
uh yeah, and looking at the opening number, and and
and you know one thing that I've been looking at
as well, And I want your thoughts on this. And
we all look at the market differently, and everybody that
watches our show knows that I've been trying to look
at things like this perspective more. Don't you find it
fishy as well? Sometimes when you just don't see movement
at all, Like the opening number is pretty much the
same as the current number. It's like nothing has moved,
nothing has changed. That seems a bit weird to me
as well, Like Winnipeg open one thirty three, consensus current
number at most shops you know, offshore, onshore, domestic, whatever
it is, it's Whynus one thirty Like it's the same
number that we pretty much saw as the opener, which
kind of tells us something a little bit here. I
wish yeah, gohe you.
Speaker 2: Know, And the one thing I wanted to add. So
you look at it, and I always think it's it's
a good marker. You have to, you know, you have
to look at Sometimes injuries come into it, but sometimes
you run into a goalie who is super hot. You
look at the Sins their last game, which was played
on Saturday. They lose three to two to the Minnesota Wild.
The x G and then number. The x G in
that game was five point five eight goals for the
Ottawa Senators two point nine to three for the Wild.
The Wild did what they were supposed to do. They
generated three three expected goals. They scored three expected goals.
Ottawa generate five and a half goals, only scored two.
Wallstead was the goalie in that one, stopping thirty six
story thirty four of thirty six shots on goal. So
it's you know, it's it's something you have to look at.
You know, the game prior to that, they they ran
into I think it was, but they did win that
game six to three. They ran into Jet Greeves. You
know the game before that, you know, a one goal
lost to the New Jersey Devils. You run into a
goalie like Mark Strum and then you run into Bennington,
and you run into Igor Schusterkin. So it's an over
and over again. You run into Jake Ottinger of the Stars.
It's an over and over thing. But the thing is
they're not getting an easy goalie tonight because it's Connor Hellibuck.
But let's see how his knee is, you know, forty
eight hours later, and you know, if they're as hyped
on his return, because at the end of the day,
all those things I rattled off were all still losses,
with the exception of Columbus for the Ottawa Senators. So
you have to you have to look at it. And
I get it. There's guys who are like, I don't
want to play any money on Ottawa, but I get it.
You can bet favorites till you're blue in the face.
You got to take some dogs, and normally, if I'm
going to take a dog, it's because the analytics are
pointing me in that direction. So that's that's my point
to this one. We'll well, you know, we'll see what happens.
This turns out for nothing Winnipeg at the end of
the game, then so be it. But this is how
it goes. We're going to try and keep the pod going.
We had a Friday Winter with the pod. Saturday, we
lose in UH the pod play posted one on on Twitter.
We lose it in UH the skills competition, the shootout,
but we're right back at it and we'll see if
we can get back on the board here with the
Autawa Senators.
Speaker 1: Well, Carl, I mean you've you've hit some underdogs, you've
hit some some totals like we've you know, you're mixing
it up and obviously you've built the bank roll pretty well.
I mean you've donated to charity and then restarted the
bank roll again and you're doing pretty well with it.
So hey, how does three two work for you? For
the Ottawa Senators? Can we catch that? Is that? Okay?
No empty net goal? I wouldn't mind that. I wouldn't
mind that.
Speaker 2: I'm good with it. Should be a good game. Listen,
No Winnipeg. I understand why people want to play Winnipeg,
you know, I mean Connor hollibook back. They need to
put some wins together. But you can't always blame the
goaltending because even with Comery and I think it was
Millick in goal, they were losing some games five to one.
Where was the scoring in those games? Yeah, you've got
a score to support your goalie as well too. If
you're supposed to be a very good defensive team, it
doesn't matter who your goalie is you should be able
to play defense. But we'll see at the end of
the end. I'm not trying to sell anyone on the
Ottawa Senators, but I'm letting you know who I'm playing.
That's the whole idea of the pod. With that said, Andrew,
your favorite angle? Are you putting it in play tonight?
The Dallas Stars minus what are they here? Minus one
thirty three? The line is dropped this morning on this one.
The Kings plus one oh nine total sits here five
and a half? Where are you going, mister mckinnis with
this one?
Speaker 1: See the best part about this? Kr. I realized this
a little while ago after some tough losses. I guess
with this, you only want to play this angle if
it's a good team, Like I am so done ever
playing this off of shutout angle, if it's not a
good team that you're playing it with. And I'm sure
you feel me with this, like I don't want to
be looking at a bad team off a loss or
a bad team off a shutout. But if it is
a team that you can trust and a team that's
offense you can trust, then you look towards the first
period over and you know this team. They scored two
goals against the Wild, and I was kind of shocked,
like I backed the Wild in that one and a
good plus price, and then I was like, this is
kind of a good spot for Florida here. I'll take Florida.
So back to back tough games. So even though the
Stars got two against the Wild, we can still kind
of say that it was a not so great game
for them either against the Minnesota Wild when it comes
to their offense. So, look, these teams play eighty two games.
These teams, they're not gonna have the same level of
motivation every single time. And when I look at the Kings,
they're gonna be looking for some offense as well, because
they put up just one goal over the weekend against
the Calby Flames. Now, one thing interesting about this team
is they haven't really been that battle tested lately. The
La Kings playing some tough teams. They played the Blackhawks, Car,
they played the Mammoth, the Kraken, and the Flames. Let's
be honest here, those four teams are nowhere close to
what the Dallas Stars bring to the table. So whether
you're looking towards the Stars, whether you're looking towards the
over or the first period over or some type of
play on the Dallas Stars early on in the game.
I feel like all of these things set up very
very well. And now you know, the funny thing is,
though you've got that what was it the mom's trip
right for the Stars or for the Kings, And like
the only game that they really looked good in was
the game against the Flames and they only scored one goal,
so not much, not much to really be happy about,
and that was the game back at home. So I
think the first period over one and a half sets
up very well. And I will just tell you guys this,
This is not an automatic angle for me anymore. This
is only circumstantial for each team and the spot that
they're in. And I think today, karm it is a
good day for it. So because I think that Dallas
isn't just coming off one bad game, and they're coming
off like two bad games, I'd say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Andrew, that was a bad one. It was a
bad one. Obviously I watched it because I wanted to
see six goals in that one, but as flat as
they were, and anyone who watched the game, whether you're
a Stars fan, whether you're a Panthers fan or you
just had action on the game. They were flat. Jamie
Benn got into a fight where he absolutely pummeled the
guy from Florida in that game, and normally you would
think the fans go crazy, the benches are smacking their
sticks and kind of what happened, and you think there's
going to be a five to seven minute thing where
the Dallas stars wake up, and you know what, none
of that. They looked just as flat after the Jamie
Ben fight as they did before the Jamie Ben fight.
And that's what tells you when a team is in
serious trouble in a game in which not even your
main man going out there getting into a fight to
stir up the team and winning it convincingly. He just
didn't do the you know when they do the belt
thing or whatever after winning the fight. It was I
don't get it. So you have to figure that they
bounce back in this spot here. The only kind of
troubling thing, Andrew is, you know, in looking at the
prices at odds Logic and on the wager Talk site,
and you look at these prices, it seems to there
seems to have been some La Kings money coming in
on this game. You know Kings have been involved in
back to back obviously OT games for them against the
Calgary Flames against the Seattle Kraken, So it is one
of those ones where and I think the only meeting
this year was the La Kings winning in Dallas back
on the twenty third of October three to two. If
there was one, Andrew, and I don't know if you
can see the price on this one. If there was
a game in which I would say, of all the games,
tonight has a chance the best chance of going into overtime,
it is this one here between these two teams. What
I think is going to be a low scoring game.
I could see a two to two game that goes
to overtime and ends three to three to two.
Speaker 1: Trying to find it here for your car, find it, man,
you can do it.
Speaker 2: And in the meantime, Oh Relic, I'm lucky. I'm loving
Habs Relic three two Dallas in ot, he says, God
bless you Habs Relic. Kyle, welcome to the Chat Titans,
You're always there and Titans Titans, thanks for tuning in
to End Zone Live yesterday. It was a phenomenal fun
show where we sweat the games live a bunch of
us from one o'clock to four o'clock. I actually give
out a couple winners on that. When I took the
Bills game in game, the over in that game fifty one.
That one one easy. And I took the Josh Allen
over one hundred and eighty two passing yards at halftime,
and that one hit quite easily. And I'm going to
piss off all of you new Englanders. Sorry, the Bills
are a better team. So that's just the way we
spotted you guys. We spotted them twenty one points. Yeah,
pizza Pizza boy, Dave Partnoy, God, bless the guy. He's
he's a he's a super nice guy. Does a ton
of charitable stuff, which I think is fantastic because I'm
big on that. But he was celebrating twenty one nothing.
He's throwing out videos and those are the worst things
anyone who celebrates early. Oh boy, here he goes golden mush.
It is the mush it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look I'm with you, titanst let carm roll on
about his Bill Carmen, do you think in a playoff
game you can go down twenty one nothing? I don't
think in a playoff game that's gonna win.
Speaker 2: I know that Kansas City Chiefs in the season in
which they won the Super Bowl, I'm not sure if
it was the first Super Bowl, second Super Bowl, they
were down by fourteen points I believe three times in
the playoffs and came back and won each one of
those games.
Speaker 1: So look at this.
Speaker 2: Fourteen is not twenty one appearance.
Speaker 1: Calls bad call ah.
Speaker 2: Here we go the old referee thing. Listen, first of all.
First of all, when it's a simultaneous catch, the ball
goes to the offense number one and number two. He
pushed the Bills receiver, which is past interference, and he
still caught it. But we talked about refereeing guys. When
you got people that are in their sixties refereeing games.
The NFL a billion dollar industry, you would think they
would just have referees who don't have other jobs. You
pay them a shitload of money to get the games right,
be accountable for what they're doing on the field. And
it's it's kind of like in soccer. If you're not good,
you get relegated, and if you are good, you continue
to do the marquee games. But With that said, Andrew
referees or only our thoughts on referees change with the
results of the game. When we win, the refereeing was fantastic.
When we lose, the refereeing was horrible. So it is
like that. It's like that with sports petters, Uh, I
give you the three plays on today's show. If they
win tomorrow, I log in and calm your fantastic last night,
I go, oh, in three on today's show, people log
in and like you suck man. So it goes you
know how it's life in general. Come on, man, you know,
we appreciate the.
Speaker 1: People that are kind, because there's a lot of people
that comment good things as well. But it's like when
you go and you're trying to like you're like a
way on vacation and you look at reviews for certain
restaurants or places, because think about it, more people are
going to do reviews when they're angry than when they're excited, Like, oh,
if I had enjoyed this meal, you're gonna just go
home and be happy about it. If you didn't like
your meal, then people go on complaining about the meal
on these apps and stuff. That's what I feel bad
for restaurants because people that liked what they had, they
don't go on and come and write a good review.
But if they didn't like what they had, then they
go on and write a bad review. So yeah, guys,
we're we're not. Like I'll tell you, like straight up.
I was on TikTok last night, doom scrolling as I
always do, and there was this guy, this guy selling picks.
He literally was talking about how he was on like
a twenty three and two run, like he's up this
many units in hockey, this many units and if he
had like, no joke, fifteen hundred live viewers on TikTok.
That's the shit that pisses me off because it's like,
are you seriously gonna say that you're like twenty four
and two, you're up like one hundred and fifty five
units in NFL, Like people are just saying whatever they
want to say and hoping people believe it. Like this
is why me and you are here every day. We're
just giving other picks, having a good time and hopefully
cash and tickets. I'll tell you what, I've got, just
two picks. I wanted to mention it for the same
game parlay. These are not two guys on the same team.
This is a one pick from one guy on each team.
We've got Jake Gensel to get a point, Brad Marsha
and to get a point. And these numbers keep moving around.
Literally during the showcarm the number has changed. I'm not
even joking, like three or four times. It keeps on
saying closed, closed, closed on DraftKings Fan duel wherever plus
one for Marsha on point and Genseil point Florida Panthers
against the Tampa Bay Lightning. So those are two guys
that I like here. Hopefully we can catch the tickets.
Speaker 2: Andrew Cash some tickets. So I'm passing on soccer today,
but I will let you guys know that I'm gonna
be watching a game today and I've got I'm gonna
play this game, but it's not strong enough to release
the clients. But I'm gonna mention it here because I
did mention the man City one when they were plus
one twenty five against Real Madrid in Real Made for
Champions League, and I just thought it was a good
setup for them in that game. Two plays up in
the NHL, which you can get, we still have that.
I think we still have that hat trick deal going on,
which is a great one as well too. Andrew. This
one makes absolutely no sense in what I'm about to
tell you, guys, but I'm going to play it. I
am taking Bournemouth today plus three oh seven. Rob Brailey
is probably watching this show. He is a huge Man
United fan. Listen. This team isn't in the greatest of
the form, but the last two Decembers they have gone
to Old Trafford and not been in great form and
come away with three nil victories in both games. At
the very least, I think this is one of those
games where you could bet both teams to score in
over two and a half. But I'm just gonna instead
of sweatying both team scoring, I'm gonna take the dog
here plus three oh seven. And I might just add
it to a couple NHL dogs tonight as well too
and see if we can hit a big ticket. But
it's a game in which man United should win. But
I'm telling you the last two seasons I've watched this
team lose in December to the same team at Old
Trafford by three nail score lines. Let's see it happen again.
Andrew how's that for a free soccer play only if
it wins.
Speaker 1: Mckinnis, Hey, you cashed Men City for us last week,
and I'll tell you what I was like, Come on,
carm are you serious? They went down one mill and
then they scored two quick goals, So gotta love that.
Gotta love that, all right, man, We gotta wrap up
the show here. So I've got just one side and
one total for tonight. No best bet for me in
NFL player props, although the player props continue to do
very well. Number one in NFL player props at the
website twenty units. But it's a great time. And I'll
tell you what, guys, these hockey packages. Now that I'm
doing college hockey, you got the World Juniors coming up
starting Boxing Day, all kinds of hockey content going to
be out. It's important to grab all access hockey passes
as well. At wager Talk. Let's try and set a
goal for today. If you guys can on YouTube, we're
gonna go for one hundred and forty five likes, one hundred,
not even any less, not anymore, hopefully more, one hundred
and forty five likes. Let's see if you guys can
do it for us on YouTube carim rapping. I'd like
one cloding thoughts.
Speaker 2: I would like one hundred and forty eight likes because
forty eight is one of my favorite numbers. Okay, I
don't know why it's one of my favorite numbers, but yeah,
let's do it. Guys. Listen. We appreciate you guys tuning
in as always. I know a bunch of you guys
are just just massively missing the press. He returns on
Thursday from his ski trip, but tomorrow don Buster and
Brian Leonard in the guest chairs for you guys, and
a huge slate of NHL action as well too. Don't
forget it's a customer appreciation day tomorrow and eight pm
tonight is when a lot of the packages go live
once the football game has started in the NFL, so
I will have some plays up for you guys if
you want to grab them early and beat the line
moves for myself and Andrew. Thank you guys for all
of the messages in our chat. We wish you the
best of luck tonight and we'll see you tomorrow morning
eleven am on wager Talk TV