1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on. Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,480 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,679 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 my daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,600 go to dpeakclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free, write to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet, and again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:32,600 your support. They're talking about power generation. I'm not an 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:37,799 expert in power generation. However, I feel like I know 11 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:43,399 enough to know that we need power that like our 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:49,399 entire civilization operates because we have power. If you don't, 13 00:00:49,679 --> 00:00:52,719 we're here. If you wanted to get an idea of 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,479 what life would be like if all of the power 15 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,159 got shut off without a moment's notice, read a book 16 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,920 called One Second After by our friend doctor Bill Forston. 17 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,959 Like that is a it's sort of a gaming out 18 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:14,319 of one town, Black Mountain, North Carolina, of what that 19 00:01:14,359 --> 00:01:18,519 town goes through when an AMP goes off over the 20 00:01:18,519 --> 00:01:25,400 Eastern Seaboard and all communications, all anything that operates with 21 00:01:25,599 --> 00:01:33,400 the chip is fried. Everything that you know is gone. 22 00:01:34,239 --> 00:01:39,280 Everything like you're back into like you're finding. You have 23 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,040 to like go back and find things of any kind 24 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,760 of mechanical purpose, you know, pre nineteen eighties, before chip 25 00:01:46,799 --> 00:01:49,959 started getting put in everything. If a chip is required 26 00:01:49,959 --> 00:01:54,799 to run it, it's dead. And so power is the 27 00:01:54,840 --> 00:02:00,799 life source of the civilization. And when we are you know, 28 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:10,280 self imposing this depowering approach, we are hamstringing ourselves. We're 29 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:17,599 killing ourselves. And for this was the biggest mistake that 30 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:23,000 the lefties made, the Greenies made on the environmentalist movement 31 00:02:23,039 --> 00:02:28,840 side of things, where they rejected nuclear while at the 32 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:34,000 same time demanding that CO two levels be sort of 33 00:02:34,039 --> 00:02:40,520 our guiding north star for all types of industrial and 34 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:46,639 energy policy, because you cannot say that you want all 35 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,759 of this power to be generated with no CO two 36 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:56,319 additional gases released, and then exclude nuclear because all of 37 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:02,280 the processes required to make the quote renewables burn CO 38 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:08,400 two create CO two. You cannot make the solar panels 39 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,719 without mining for the materials. And just because you know, 40 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,599 you get the rare earth minerals from some impoverished country 41 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,840 halfway around the world using slave labor, do you think 42 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:24,800 that they're using, you know, electric vehicles to mine that 43 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:30,120 material of course not. You're using fossil fuels to extract 44 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:35,319 this stuff, and so the net is more CO two 45 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,599 because you are requiring more and more solar panels and 46 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,680 more and more turbines and stuff like. Do you know 47 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:48,719 how much hydraulic oil is used in the in the windmills? 48 00:03:50,039 --> 00:03:52,800 Like to keep them spinning. You gotta lube those things. 49 00:03:54,319 --> 00:03:57,680 It's crazy. You got to keep them cool. These are systems, 50 00:03:57,719 --> 00:04:00,840 These are mechanical systems. And what do you think they're 51 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,039 made out of? How do you think you make the 52 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:09,439 material of the windmill that's steel? Do you think there's 53 00:04:09,479 --> 00:04:12,159 no CO two being emitted in steel production? Give me 54 00:04:12,159 --> 00:04:16,399 a break. The more you can power with CO two, 55 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,439 the more you can reduce, or sorry, the more you 56 00:04:18,439 --> 00:04:20,720 can power with nuclear, the more you reduce the CO two. 57 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,199 And now you've got this race to get to AI first, 58 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,720 because if we don't, China does, and then I suspect 59 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:32,399 we're going to be in a world of hurt because 60 00:04:32,439 --> 00:04:37,800 AI is. It's well, it has the ability, just like 61 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:43,160 old tools, to be really beneficial and also very dangerous, 62 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:48,000 and in the hands of a tyrannical communist regime. I 63 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,439 can't even imagine what kind of AI, the are going 64 00:04:52,439 --> 00:04:55,839 to deploy against not only their own people, but also 65 00:04:55,959 --> 00:05:01,639 their adversaries. So let me get to a couple of 66 00:05:01,639 --> 00:05:03,600 messages that I had. We were talking in the last 67 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,240 hour about the Spanish blackouts, and we were talking about 68 00:05:06,519 --> 00:05:11,879 nuclear generation, these small modular reactors that they're trying to 69 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:18,120 you know, to get greenlit and built in America. So 70 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:22,399 this way, like once people see and companies see this 71 00:05:22,519 --> 00:05:26,199 technology being utilized, the way it works, how it's safe, 72 00:05:26,879 --> 00:05:30,560 then this is called a like the preference cascade, right 73 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,199 where you have the early adopters. Well, you have the pioneers. First, 74 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,800 they go in and they you know, they blaze the trail. 75 00:05:37,199 --> 00:05:39,560 They're the first ones in. Then you get the early 76 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,639 adopters who see where things are going and they can 77 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,519 sort of what they say, you know, see around corners. 78 00:05:45,959 --> 00:05:48,319 These these pioneers like, oh, I see where this is going. 79 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,800 They then become the early adopters, and then it becomes acceptance. 80 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:58,279 And once that happens, then you get this cascading effect 81 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,079 where it just builds and bids and goes faster and 82 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,279 faster more and more. That's where we have to get to, 83 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,120 and I think we have to get there faster than 84 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:16,839 twenty thirty on an optimistic timeline. I got a message here. 85 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,240 Don't use my name, please, okay. I am a financial person. 86 00:06:22,319 --> 00:06:26,519 I have been watching SMRs, the reactors and other green 87 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,759 energy as investment. Yes, Tesla two three Mile Island is 88 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:37,000 now with Terra Power. Bill Gates Tara says they will 89 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,160 not plan to share their energy. They need it all. 90 00:06:40,639 --> 00:06:44,839 China is leading with thorium, which we abandoned in the forties. 91 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,000 They are said to be the most advanced. Now big 92 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,600 tech will put a herding on Duke Energy and others 93 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:56,399 if they don't beat them. Permitting is the problem. For reference. 94 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:01,439 Look at the lithium deal in Cheryville area. The whole 95 00:07:01,519 --> 00:07:04,839 not in my backyard. There's a guy on YouTube that 96 00:07:04,879 --> 00:07:07,839 explains nukes very well. I can send you his name. 97 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:13,639 Google just pulled out of Cat County. I don't know 98 00:07:13,639 --> 00:07:21,240 where cat not Chatham, Cat County. Was it power or water? 99 00:07:21,839 --> 00:07:25,199 SMRs could help with water too. Permitting dams are as 100 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,120 hard to get approvals. I hope this will change with 101 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:33,639 Trump's openness. We also need refineries anyway, I enjoy the show. 102 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,800 I did a year in Weaverville and listened to you 103 00:07:38,959 --> 00:07:41,040 when you were up there. Oh thanks, okay, when I 104 00:07:41,079 --> 00:07:46,680 was working up in Nashville in western North Carolina. Yeah, 105 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,759 so the permitting, I have no doubt that is correct. 106 00:07:50,279 --> 00:07:55,879 It's the permit approval process that allows opponents to block 107 00:07:56,079 --> 00:08:02,399 and delay every project until it's dead, right. That's like, 108 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:10,120 if you're going into a permitting process and the if 109 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:15,000 the goal of the permitting process is designed to thwart 110 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,120 projects from being built, right, then you will have a 111 00:08:19,279 --> 00:08:23,279 system that looks like ours. If you have a permitting 112 00:08:23,319 --> 00:08:29,319 process that is built to award the permits to fast 113 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,879 track to help build new power generation sources, then I 114 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:37,240 think the regulatory regime looks different than what we have. 115 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,960 Scott wants to know, why does it have to be 116 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,240 a metric poop ton of energy? Why can't it be 117 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,639 an imperial poop ton of energy? Now that's a fair point. 118 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,559 I don't know why it's imperial metric is better. Look, 119 00:08:51,639 --> 00:08:54,279 I'm sorry. I know, I'm American. I'm supposed to, you know, 120 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:58,480 reject the metric system in favor of the imperial system. 121 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,519 But I don't. I feel like we should have gone. 122 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,000 I feel like if we had just gone to the 123 00:09:05,039 --> 00:09:08,039 metric system before I was born, this would have been 124 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:12,399 much easier for me personally, you know. But like the 125 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:17,720 metric system just makes more sense. It really does. Now, 126 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,000 I'm not saying that for the temperature stuff, stay with 127 00:09:21,039 --> 00:09:24,960 the fahrenheit. You can use celsius for the experiments and 128 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,639 all that stuff, but fahrenheit works way better just to 129 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,240 know like how hot is it, how warm is it outside? 130 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,360 Because celsius is not. It's not precise enough for me, 131 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,679 you know, because the difference between seventy and seventy five 132 00:09:36,759 --> 00:09:40,399 that's pretty big. That's you know, whether I'm wearing you know, 133 00:09:40,519 --> 00:09:42,960 cargo shorts. I'm just kidding. I wouldn't wear cargo shorts, 134 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,639 but like shorts or pants, like that's a huge difference. 135 00:09:46,799 --> 00:09:48,159 So I need to know that that I would not 136 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:53,360 go celsius. But I do feel like metric it makes 137 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,879 more sense, you know, Like how many yards are in 138 00:09:57,919 --> 00:09:59,360 a mile? Do you know that? Do you know how 139 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,759 many yards are in People don't even know feet in 140 00:10:02,799 --> 00:10:04,960 a mile. I don't even remember how many feet are 141 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,759 in a mile. It's like five thousand something, right, Yeah, 142 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:13,200 So like these are like why why? Luckily for me, 143 00:10:13,399 --> 00:10:16,039 I do have a size twelve foot so I'm able 144 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,320 to navigate the world pretty well just by you know, 145 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:21,679 measuring stuff with my feet. But not everybody's got a 146 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:26,279 twelve inch foot, So why they called inches? And then 147 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:29,120 you break them down into these weird fractions of inches 148 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:33,559 that are difficult to to do the math on. You know, Oh, 149 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,639 I have a seven eighths and I got to add 150 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,120 it to a one in three quarters like ah, and 151 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:44,200 that's an easy one. 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Mail orders 170 00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:48,440 are accepted to get all the details at create a 171 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:53,240 Video dot com. John says in an email to Pete 172 00:11:53,279 --> 00:11:58,159 at vpteklenarshow dot com. Any nuclear facilities built by Trump 173 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,440 or the administration, and we'll need some serious security. Those 174 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:08,000 tesla loving liberals would have a field day keying the reactors. 175 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:11,440 That is a security Uh yeah, that is a consideration. 176 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:17,360 We're going to have to maybe some fencing and cameras. 177 00:12:21,279 --> 00:12:27,200 This story from the AP earlier this year, Big tech 178 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:33,840 wants to plug data centers right into power plants. Big 179 00:12:33,879 --> 00:12:39,879 tech wants to bypass all of the transmission lines everything else. 180 00:12:39,879 --> 00:12:42,159 They want to direct feed right to the power plant. 181 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,240 The utility companies are pushing back, saying that's not fair, 182 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:52,039 not fair, looking for a quick fix for their fast 183 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:57,039 growing electricity diets. Tech giants are increasingly looking to strike 184 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,799 deals with power plant owners to plug in directly, avoiding 185 00:13:01,799 --> 00:13:05,960 a potentially longer and more expensive process of hooking into 186 00:13:06,039 --> 00:13:11,879 a fraying electric grid that serves the little people. It's 187 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,840 raising questions over whether diverting power to higher paying customers 188 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,320 will leave enough for others, and whether it's fair to 189 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:25,440 excuse big power users from paying for the grid. Federal 190 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,679 regulators are trying to figure out what to do about it, 191 00:13:27,799 --> 00:13:33,000 and quickly. So this is interesting because I told I've 192 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,639 said this before. I put solar panels on the house. 193 00:13:36,919 --> 00:13:40,360 I did it for prepper purposes. I want to be 194 00:13:40,399 --> 00:13:44,759 able to generate some electricity during daylight hours if you know, 195 00:13:44,879 --> 00:13:52,159 everything goes to pot so that was why I did it. Now, 196 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,360 obviously in an EMP would fry my system also, and 197 00:13:55,399 --> 00:13:58,679 I'm not permitted by my HOA to put a Faraday 198 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:02,039 cage over my entire house, so I do recognize the 199 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:08,159 limitations here, however, like I don't use as much power. 200 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:15,000 My power bill is like eleven dollars a month, and 201 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,279 I sell back or I push back energy into the 202 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,080 Duke system. They haven't paid me for that, actually, so 203 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,519 they're supposed to. There was like a lottery system and 204 00:14:24,559 --> 00:14:27,080 you could get paid back. Like I should be able 205 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,080 to pay back to sell my energy that I'm sending 206 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,679 back down the line. I should be able to do that. 207 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,919 If they're going to use the power that I'm generating 208 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,919 that I'm not using during the daylight hours then and 209 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,279 it's going to go back down the line for other 210 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,519 people to use that they are that Duke is now 211 00:14:44,559 --> 00:14:48,279 selling to other customers. I should be able to get 212 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:55,279 some money back for that. That being said, I do 213 00:14:55,360 --> 00:15:00,279 recognize that I am using their transmission lines, and so 214 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:02,960 this is part of the that's part of the deal. 215 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:07,080 Like I'm plugged into your grid, and when you know 216 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,559 it's nighttime and I'm using power, I'm drawing off that grid. 217 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,519 So I have to pay to utilize the grid. I 218 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:19,879 get that. I think that's completely fair for these big 219 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:22,320 tech companies they want to plug directly into the power 220 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,279 system or into the power plant, they want to have 221 00:15:26,399 --> 00:15:31,720 their own dedicated line or something. I don't think they 222 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:33,960 should have to pay for the grid. If they're not 223 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:38,000 on the grid, then they should just be charged a 224 00:15:38,039 --> 00:15:42,159 different rate to pay for the generation of the power. 225 00:15:42,279 --> 00:15:44,559 Right to pay for maintenance costs and all of that 226 00:15:45,879 --> 00:15:48,480 they should pay for their power in a separate thing. 227 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:53,240 That's fine if the plant can make enough power. See 228 00:15:53,279 --> 00:15:56,279 here's the key. If you're going to allow big tech 229 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,759 to bypass the grid plug directly into the power generators, 230 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,200 and now you're going to be causing brownouts for all 231 00:16:06,279 --> 00:16:10,639 the rest of us while you get a constant supply 232 00:16:10,799 --> 00:16:16,840 of power. Okay, now that's not fair either. Front End Center, 233 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,399 according to the AP, is a data center that Amazon's 234 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:25,399 cloud computing subsidiary called Amazon Web Services, is building next 235 00:16:25,399 --> 00:16:29,960 to the Susquehanna Nuclear plant in eastern Pennsylvania. The arrangement 236 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:35,320 between the plant's owners and AWS Amazon Web Services called 237 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:40,159 a behind the meter connection. It is the first such 238 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:45,679 deal to come before the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. Up 239 00:16:45,759 --> 00:16:50,799 until now, the FERK has rejected a deal that would 240 00:16:50,799 --> 00:16:54,000 send nine hundred and sixty megawatts to the data center. 241 00:16:54,519 --> 00:16:57,559 Nine hundred and sixty megawats, by the way, is forty 242 00:16:57,639 --> 00:17:03,000 percent of the plant's capacity. That's enough to power half 243 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:07,160 a million homes or more. That leaves the deal and 244 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:10,079 others that likely would follow in limbo. It's not clear 245 00:17:10,279 --> 00:17:13,480 when FURK, which blocked the deal on procedural grounds would 246 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:15,640 take up the matter again. Maybe they have by now 247 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:24,680 the companies that they're very frustrated because they're delayed, like 248 00:17:24,839 --> 00:17:28,599 five years in the queue. And I get that. The 249 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,319 rapid growth of cloud computing and artificial intelligence as fueled 250 00:17:32,319 --> 00:17:35,400 demand for data centers that need power to run servers, 251 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:40,720 storage systems, networking equipment, and cooling systems. That has spurred 252 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:46,599 proposals to bring nuclear power plants out of retirement, develop 253 00:17:46,799 --> 00:17:50,319 small modular reactors the SMRs we talked about last hour, 254 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:58,039 and build utility scale renewable installations or new natural gas plants. 255 00:17:58,759 --> 00:18:03,799 Back in December, California based Aklow announced an agreement to 256 00:18:03,839 --> 00:18:09,279 provide twelve gigawatts to data center developer Switch from small 257 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:14,680 nuclear reactors powered by nuclear waste. This is where I 258 00:18:14,759 --> 00:18:18,200 read it last Hour. 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Call or text eight two, eight, three, 282 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:44,359 six seven, seventy sixty eight, or check out all there 283 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,279 is to offer at cabins Offashville dot com and make 284 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,440 memories that'll last a lifetime. David, Welcome to the program. 285 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:58,839 Hello David, David yo oh hello, hello, hello, oh hello, Sorry, No, 286 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,000 it's okay, let's gone on. 287 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 2: I just want to make a comment about the sharing 288 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,759 of the power beginning at the point of distribution. Yeah, 289 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,000 it seems to me that the people who are paying 290 00:20:11,519 --> 00:20:15,759 for the power and the distribution and the tax on 291 00:20:15,839 --> 00:20:19,200 top of it, ought to get the first, the first 292 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,759 of the distribution, that the remaining that doesn't meet the 293 00:20:23,799 --> 00:20:28,519 peak level necessary to support the area, the remaining leftovers 294 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,519 can go to those who want those. But to get 295 00:20:31,559 --> 00:20:34,720 in front of us and take the prime stuff. It's 296 00:20:34,839 --> 00:20:37,759 like saying, here, you get the best wine, I get 297 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:42,000 the lousy wine. I don't think that works well. 298 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,759 Speaker 1: So well, it's not a matter of the quality of 299 00:20:45,839 --> 00:20:50,119 the power, right, and but it isn't right, And they 300 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,359 would be well, they would be and they would be 301 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:56,160 paying I would imagine, right, they would be paying for 302 00:20:56,599 --> 00:21:01,160 you know, the full cost of the power generation, whatever 303 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,720 infrastructure they have to build in order to get the 304 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:07,039 direct line they want to what they don't want to 305 00:21:07,079 --> 00:21:12,640 do is to tap into the existing infrastructure grid. They 306 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,680 want a direct feed, but to the point then that 307 00:21:17,319 --> 00:21:21,200 they would be sort of jumping the line and consuming 308 00:21:21,319 --> 00:21:26,599 forty percent of you know, a power plant's production, right. 309 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,599 I think that's the problem. It creates this scarcity among 310 00:21:31,839 --> 00:21:34,799 all of the consumers that don't have the ability to 311 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,400 build their own energy infrastructure. 312 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,039 Speaker 2: And it's also as true that when a lot of 313 00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:44,559 people are trying to get the same power output, the 314 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,759 cost for kill a lot hour goes up. 315 00:21:49,279 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: The cost we say that again, the more people the 316 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:52,960 cost goes up. 317 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,759 Speaker 2: Well, what happens what I think happens, and that could 318 00:21:56,799 --> 00:22:00,160 be wrong about this. I think what goes on is 319 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,200 when you have a high demand at a low availability 320 00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:05,680 to kill a lot hour, costs goes up. 321 00:22:06,759 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you've got like peak usage times of you know, 322 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,920 like in the mornings, everybody's taking showers and you know, 323 00:22:14,319 --> 00:22:16,880 all the AC is running and all of that stuff. 324 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,680 Same thing with like water. Yeah, so yeah, during peak 325 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,039 demand times then some yeah, sometimes you can have like 326 00:22:24,079 --> 00:22:26,079 peak pricing and that sort of thing, and then they 327 00:22:26,079 --> 00:22:28,960 are like, oh, please conserve energy and all of that. 328 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,559 So yeah, if they're doing those types of energy reduction 329 00:22:34,839 --> 00:22:39,079 programs against you know, residential users. Would they also demand 330 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,759 that the you know, the these big tech companies would 331 00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:44,759 have to reduce their usage too. 332 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 333 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: It raises a lot of It raises a lot of 334 00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:52,880 questions as to, you know, will they play favorites for 335 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,720 the bigger customers. 336 00:22:55,799 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 2: You know, money talks type thing. 337 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, sos. 338 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 2: The capacity is the capacity is in a given amount. 339 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,480 So as soon as we start using the capacity at 340 00:23:10,519 --> 00:23:13,799 a higher level than we can produce it, the cost 341 00:23:13,839 --> 00:23:14,720 of it goes up. 342 00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, now I understand. So I think the answer is 343 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,160 that these big tech companies need to build their own 344 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,839 power generation systems if they don't want to be on 345 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,319 the grid, and that means they need to do more 346 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:32,839 of the SMRs one. Yeah, all right, David, I appreciate 347 00:23:32,839 --> 00:23:36,640 the call, sir. You're welcome, all right, take care of you. Yeah, 348 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:42,279 the SMRs are small modular reactors, these nuclear reactors, they 349 00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:46,160 build them themselves. You want this kind of power, this 350 00:23:46,279 --> 00:23:52,200 amount of power. Big tech also wants to stand up 351 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,079 their centers quickly. But tech's appetite for energy comes at 352 00:23:56,079 --> 00:23:58,200 a time when the power supply is already strained by 353 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:03,319 efforts to shift away from planet warming fossil fuels. This 354 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:08,000 is according to Mark Levy at the AP. So what 355 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:12,079 is he admitting there? That we're moving away from power 356 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:17,480 generation that can actually satisfy demand, but we're moving away 357 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:24,000 from it for purely policy reasons. In theory, the Amazon 358 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,640 Center in Pennsylvania would let Susquehanna sell power for more 359 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,279 than they get by selling it into the grid. The 360 00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:35,680 profit potential is one that other nuclear plant operators in 361 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,920 particular are embracing after years of financial distress and frustration 362 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,240 with how they are paid in the broader electricity markets. 363 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,839 Many say they have been forced to compete in some 364 00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:50,160 markets against a flood of cheap natural gas, as well 365 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:55,920 as state subsidized solar and wind energy. Power Plant owners 366 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,000 also say the arrangement benefits the wider public by bypas 367 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:03,160 asking the costly build out of long power lines and 368 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,400 leaving more transmission capacity on the grid for everybody else. 369 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,519 The worry energy prices would increase significantly, and there's no 370 00:25:13,599 --> 00:25:16,799 explanation for how rising demand for power will be met, 371 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:23,359 even before big power plants drop out of the supply mix. Separately, 372 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,759 to electric utility owners, which make money in deregulated states 373 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,640 from building out the grid and delivering power have protested 374 00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:36,960 that the Susquehanna AWS arrangement amounts to free loading off 375 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,400 a grid that ordinary customers paid to build and maintain. 376 00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:48,759 Chicago based Exelon and Columbus Sorry, that's one company. Chicago 377 00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:53,599 based Excelon and Columbus and Ohio based American Electric Power 378 00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:58,920 say that this Amazon deal would allow Amazon to avoid 379 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,599 one hundred and forty million dollars a year that it 380 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,680 would otherwise owe. Susquehanna's owners say the data center won't 381 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,640 be on the grid, and then question why it should 382 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,559 have to pay to maintain the grid if they're not 383 00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:14,160 on it. But critics say that the power plant itself 384 00:26:14,279 --> 00:26:19,680 is benefiting from taxpayer subsidies and ratepayer subsidies subsidized services 385 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,079 and should not be able to strike deals with private 386 00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:27,519 customers that could increase costs for others. Either way, this 387 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,440 government decision could have massive repercussions for the entire country 388 00:26:31,559 --> 00:26:34,559 because it will set a precedent for how the FERK, 389 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,400 the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, as well as grid operators 390 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,920 are going to handle an avalanche of similar requests that 391 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,519 are waiting in the wings from data center companies and 392 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:56,880 nuclear power plants. John Locke Foundation how to write up 393 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,799 about this. They've got a new report looking at two 394 00:26:59,799 --> 00:27:04,160 differ diferent paths to carbon neutrality. This is a big thing, 395 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,079 you know. We want to be carbon neutral by twenty 396 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:11,200 fifty in North Carolina. We can use renewables or nuclear, 397 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,920 and the report took a look at both. Nuclear is 398 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,359 not only a zero emission resource capable of base load 399 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,960 power generation, but it's also the best option for meeting 400 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,599 future increases in energy demand. Nuclear would be the more 401 00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:32,640 cost effective solution. All right, If you're listening to this show, 402 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,240 you know I try to keep up with all sorts 403 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,279 of current events, and I know you do too, And 404 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:41,160 you've probably heard me say get your news from multiple sources. Why. Well, 405 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,880 because it's how you detect media bias, which is why 406 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,119 I've been so impressed with ground News. It's an app 407 00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:50,559 and it's a website, and it combines news from around 408 00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:53,000 the world in one place, so you can compare coverage 409 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,920 and verify information. You can check it out at check 410 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,400 dot ground, dot news slash Pete. I put the link 411 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,519 in the podcast description too. I started using ground news 412 00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:06,279 a few months ago and more recently, chose to work 413 00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:08,359 with them as an affiliate because it lets me see 414 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,240 clearly how stories get covered and by whom. The blind 415 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,039 spot feature shows you which stories get ignored by the 416 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,799 left and the right. See for yourself. Check dot Ground, 417 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:22,680 dot News slash pete. Subscribe through that link and you'll 418 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,880 get fifteen percent off any subscription. I use the Vantage 419 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,359 plan to get unlimited access to every feature. Your subscription 420 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,119 then not only helps my podcast, but it also supports 421 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,480 Ground News as they make the media landscape more transparent. 422 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:40,519 So John Locke Foundation put out a recent report on 423 00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:47,680 oh as a comparison on renewables versus nuclear, the two 424 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:54,039 different paths to get to carbon neutrality in electricity by 425 00:28:54,119 --> 00:28:59,559 twenty fifty. That's the state's carbon plan or non carbon plan, 426 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,000 I guess. So they looked at it and they determined 427 00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:07,640 nuclear is the more cost effective solution to meet the 428 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:14,400 required power generation capacity for twenty fifty projected. Obviously, the 429 00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:23,279 renewable scenario requires approximately twelve thousand, five hundred miles of 430 00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:30,440 transmission infrastructure twelve five hundred miles, and it requires almost 431 00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:36,640 eight million acres of North Carolina land for power generation. 432 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:44,119 That is about twenty percent of our land miss for 433 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:49,680 the Yeah for wind and solar, So yeah, twenty percent 434 00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:53,759 of the entire state's land would have to be covered 435 00:29:54,279 --> 00:30:01,000 in solar panels and windmills. In comparison, the newnuclear scenario 436 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:08,400 requires about ninety percent less in the miles of transmission, 437 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:15,759 so twelve five hundred for renewables, thirteen hundred for nuclear, 438 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:22,599 a tenth of the transmission lines required. Also, rather than 439 00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:28,559 seven point seven million acres of land, nuclear would need 440 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,839 just fifteen thousand acres. So not only would the nuclear 441 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:38,599 scenario require significantly less new capacity and infrastructure, it would 442 00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:42,640 also be more reliable. It would be more efficient and 443 00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:46,960 more cost effective. You can read the whole report at 444 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:53,319 the John Locke Foundation. The Hellion says, this show has 445 00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:55,960 such a great comedic pool. Thank you. I appreciate it, 446 00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:58,480 although I don't even try to be funny. That's one 447 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,880 of those it's a gift. We were talking earlier about 448 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:09,559 the Spanish blackouts. They still don't know what caused the 449 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,079 massive blackout across like the entire country and into Portugal 450 00:31:13,119 --> 00:31:21,920 and France, and their explanations were like indecipherable. Russ said 451 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,799 that a few years ago I was with a group 452 00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:26,480 of people in the neighborhood level nuclear plants came up 453 00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:30,079 and oh, hang on a second, he has two messages. 454 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,720 Here's the uh all right. So the first one was 455 00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:35,240 that on the nuclear front, he says, a college age 456 00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:39,279 girl suggested that we should just make everything rechargeable like phones. 457 00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:41,640 That way, you could just plug into the wall of 458 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,359 your into the wall or your car, and then you 459 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:54,599 wouldn't have to worry about electricity. Yeah, oh child. And 460 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,960 then he says the very verbose scientific explanation for the 461 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,839 Spanish power outage reminds me have a saying that if 462 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,680 you cannot explain something without using jargon or technical terms, 463 00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:08,000 you either don't really understand it or you're trying to 464 00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:14,839 hide something. Joseph says, so is the Iberian blackout another 465 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,680 test run? After surviving Helene and seeing how critical Mark 466 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,440 Starling was, Mark is the morning guy up at my 467 00:32:22,519 --> 00:32:26,359 old alma mater up in Ashville on the Morning Show. Yeah, 468 00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:29,039 I mean they stayed on the air solid for like 469 00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:35,200 three weeks straight. Was the question, Can other places do 470 00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:39,880 that too? You mean, can other radio stations do that? Sure? 471 00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:45,880 I'm pretty confident we could. We've got way more people 472 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,680 than the station Mark's at Mark had like him and 473 00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:54,599 his producer. Those are the only employees left after the 474 00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:58,039 the blood letting that claimed my tenure. So yeah, I 475 00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:00,960 have no doubt we here with a live local lineup 476 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,519 from five am all the way through eight pm. I'm 477 00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:07,200 pretty sure we'd be able to staff it. And we 478 00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:10,559 got massive generators that do not run on solar panels. 479 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,119 And John says, why can't we build faster? Answer local 480 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,920 state and federal regulations. That is true. Let me get 481 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,200 Joan on real quick here. 482 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,039 Speaker 3: Hello Joan, Yes, sir, I have a very simple question, okay, 483 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,559 if China's building all these cold plants, yeah, and cold 484 00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:32,000 is so bad for the environment and so babil, why 485 00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:36,240 anti Chinese people dying? Wise, if cold is the natural 486 00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:40,240 fossil fuel, and the United States they'll burn coal forever 487 00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:42,720 in a day until people came up with all these 488 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,799 cot missions and things. But I'd just like to know 489 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,720 why anti Chinese people dying at at a high rate 490 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,200 because of cold plants. 491 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: So well, I mean a couple of reasons I could 492 00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:59,359 cite here is first off, you would be relying on 493 00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:05,359 communists to give you accurate data, but you're not chilling. 494 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,799 That's that right, that's one possibility. 495 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,199 Speaker 3: A cheret got you. 496 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:13,199 Speaker 1: No, it's not an eighth. Wait wait, Joan hang on, 497 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,159 I detect I detected dismissiveness in your joke. It's not 498 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:19,519 an ancient Chinese you know, you know, I know it's 499 00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:24,159 not ancient Chinese. Joan joon joone, stop stop Joan stop. 500 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:30,280 For the love of God, jon't okay okay. So to 501 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,880 a listener, Joan, when you're huffing and puffing and laughing 502 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,039 through the phone that you can't hear anything except just noise, 503 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,119 it's not an ancient Chinese secret. It is a modern 504 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:47,960 communist cover up. The Communist Party controls the Chinese government. 505 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,519 So number one, and that indicated that I would give 506 00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:54,639 you other numbers for potential explanations for why Chinese people 507 00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:56,960 aren't dying in the streets so dropping dead like you said, 508 00:34:57,079 --> 00:34:58,760 which I think is a bit hyperbolic, because I think 509 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,880 it probably takes a long time for like the lung 510 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,079 disease and all of that stuff to manifest. But the 511 00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:08,159 number one is that you're trusting the Chinese communists to 512 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:15,519 tell you. Number two is that the wind blows the pollutants, right, 513 00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:18,880 So stuff in Tennessee blows over here. That's always been 514 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,880 a big problem. Their pollution will blow across our state 515 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,000 and so over in China. I suspect a lot of 516 00:35:26,039 --> 00:35:29,119 that will blow off out into the ocean. It'll make 517 00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:33,880 its way someplace. I don't know. Number three on the 518 00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:39,159 pollution front, have you seen pictures of China's air quality, 519 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:44,559 because I have. You have cities that are perpetually covered 520 00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:49,840 in smog. You can't see the sun. Now, if you 521 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,559 think that's a healthy way to live, I encourage you 522 00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:58,159 to go live in the communist country of China. Now, 523 00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:00,000 I don't know what the purpose of the call was. 524 00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:02,559 I don't because she has now dropped off because I 525 00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:04,599 put her on hold. I was going to bring her back, 526 00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:06,639 but I wanted to outline those three things, and I 527 00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:09,039 couldn't get the word in edgewise because I don't know 528 00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:12,639 what she was doing there. But anyway, the if the 529 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,199 argument is that we should be building more coal fired plants, 530 00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:19,719 that is a perfectly fine argument to make. It relies 531 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,519 on you denying any kind of negative consequence, you know, 532 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,800 for emissions and that sort of thing, and you could 533 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,599 have that argument. I prefer to advocate for nuclear because 534 00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:36,360 it's a cleaner argument and tech it's it doesn't emit 535 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,320 any emissions. And so if you're going up against people 536 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,159 who are arguing that CO two is killing everybody and 537 00:36:42,159 --> 00:36:44,719 it's an existential threat, why not take that argument off 538 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,679 the table and win the argument. All right, that'll do 539 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,280 it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening. 540 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,480 I could not do the show without your support and 541 00:36:54,559 --> 00:36:57,239 the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, 542 00:36:57,639 --> 00:36:59,599 so if you'd like, please support them too and tell 543 00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:01,440 them you're heard it here. You can also become a 544 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:06,119 patron at my Patreon page or go to dpetecleanershow dot com. Again, 545 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,880 thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything 546 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,559 while I'm gone.