Speaker 1: This is Timothy L. Brino.
Speaker 2: Hey, this is Trace Matt.
Speaker 1: My name is La mar Jillie.
Speaker 2: This is doctor Judper.
Speaker 1: This is Ryan Peterson. If you want to know your Bible,
Speaker 1: you have to dig, and you're in the right place.
Speaker 1: This is the Dig Bible Podcast.
Speaker 3: All right, what's going on on my local guys and
Speaker 3: gals and long distance pals. We're back, yes we are,
Speaker 3: and we're remote. We're not in each other's presence this time.
Speaker 4: This is different.
Speaker 5: There's there's goods and bads to that. I think this
Speaker 5: will work out good when we have somebody on. But
Speaker 5: I can't stay away from you guys for too long.
Speaker 4: Well, Ben's can't. Ben's in the studio.
Speaker 2: I'm in I'm in the uh the jeep stable. You
Speaker 2: can see behind me here.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Well, what's everybody been up to? Anything new?
Speaker 3: Ben just got.
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I went to Florida with the family. That was fun.
Speaker 6: The book boys got to see the beach so they
Speaker 6: love playing in the sand.
Speaker 4: Was it their first time come back with a cold?
Speaker 6: Well, I mean yeah, Bruce was three months old when
Speaker 6: we went with Bruce, so that don't really count.
Speaker 2: I don't guess now.
Speaker 3: I same over here, man just work, come home, sleep, briance, repeat,
Speaker 3: nothing exciting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's never fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, no beaches in in my recent past Tennessee or future,
Speaker 3: not til global warming anyway, then we'll have some ocean
Speaker 3: front property here in East tenn See.
Speaker 2: That's that's what I was about to say. Those you
Speaker 2: might come us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, let's get started, guys, and we'll get into it.
Speaker 3: We got a great guest and some good subjects to
Speaker 3: dive into today. So I guess Ben, you've been out
Speaker 3: the past two weeks, so lead us off today in prayer.
Speaker 6: All right, Lord, thank for today, Thank you for this
Speaker 6: beautiful weather you've given us here in Tennessee. Anyways, Please
Speaker 6: give us the sermon as we talk about the topics
Speaker 6: we're going to talk about. Lord, thank you that we
Speaker 6: could all get together and we can we can.
Speaker 2: Do this for your glory.
Speaker 6: Please keep all of your people under your under your protection.
Speaker 4: Just name him in Amen.
Speaker 1: Amen.
Speaker 3: Well, we've got a returning guest today. Like I said before,
Speaker 3: not to play favorites, but definitely one of the favorite
Speaker 3: guests that we all agree on that we just we
Speaker 3: love having this gown and talking and just nur now
Speaker 3: over the word man Steve, this was your idea for
Speaker 3: this show, so go ahead and introduce our guests and
Speaker 3: the topic.
Speaker 5: Well, today we have with us the famous, hopefully not
Speaker 5: infamous author author of the Judgment of the Nephilim and
Speaker 5: the Final Nephilum, none other than the great Ryan Peterson.
Speaker 5: And we are so so blessed to have you back
Speaker 5: with us, buddy, because we, like Justin said, we absolutely
Speaker 5: feel like, you know, we're right on par as far
Speaker 5: as like the way you're thinking that the word that
Speaker 5: you put into your books, it's just it speaks to us,
Speaker 5: it reverberates, and I think there's so much biblical truth
Speaker 5: and if anybody hasn't read those, please go read those,
Speaker 5: especially looking at those things which most people don't from
Speaker 5: a strictly biblical point of view, not bringing in all
Speaker 5: the extra biblical sources. This is one of the few
Speaker 5: people who really look at the Nephilim from strictly the
Speaker 5: Bible standpoint, which is such a different view than we
Speaker 5: get from anybody else. So Ryan, it is great to
Speaker 5: have you back.
Speaker 1: Ks Steve, Ben Justin, thanks for having me back on.
Speaker 1: Great to be back, and you know, and the feeling
Speaker 1: is really mutual. Man, like I said before, you know,
Speaker 1: I know I've said this before, but it's so important
Speaker 1: that all these things we talked about, right, it's exciting,
Speaker 1: the netphlow and the supernatural realm, the paranormal. You know,
Speaker 1: I love it, you love it. But we have to
Speaker 1: keep the primacy of the Bible as our standard for
Speaker 1: truth above everything. So I know you brothers are totally
Speaker 1: respect that and carry that same belief. So yeah, happy.
Speaker 4: Back, and we love the shirt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you. So this shirt.
Speaker 1: So this shirt I asked you about the Nephlow shirt.
Speaker 1: This was actually my wife's idea.
Speaker 7: So just like the b right, exactly, she's been pushing
Speaker 7: me to make to make more merch and so she
Speaker 7: she had the idea for it, and so I said,
Speaker 7: and so you know, it's it's always kind of like,
Speaker 7: you know, like the match that gets everything going.
Speaker 1: Because once she said that, oh, I know exactly what
Speaker 1: we can do. So if you just look on the
Speaker 1: back of the shirt, of course this is my touch.
Speaker 1: You have the QR COLO in the back of the shirt.
Speaker 1: So if you scan it, it takes you to a video.
Speaker 1: It's like a two minute primer on Genesis six. And
Speaker 1: so Uh, So we kind of put our heads together
Speaker 1: and I was going to in October. I was at
Speaker 1: the Him and a Return conference a few weeks ago
Speaker 1: for Prophecy watchers in Oklahoma, so we kind of debuted
Speaker 1: it there and she was all nervous. She said, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if people are gonna like it. I
Speaker 1: don't know. The people go to thank and they're going quick.
Speaker 1: So it was so I appreciate it. So she had
Speaker 1: another great idea by my wife, my wonderful wife, Erica
Speaker 1: shout out.
Speaker 8: Never ever questioned the wife. They always know that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. The wife usually
Speaker 6: has the better ideas.
Speaker 3: Were they back in stuff now? Because I've seen on
Speaker 3: the line they were out of stock. You got them
Speaker 3: back in stock.
Speaker 1: Now they're back Yeah, they're back in stock. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: they went quick, they're back in stock.
Speaker 2: And yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's great too because I'm already getting feedback from
Speaker 1: people who are written me and said hey, you know,
Speaker 1: like I was wearing it, you know, in the mall
Speaker 1: or at the grocery store, and someone came and asked
Speaker 1: me and said, well, what is a nephilim? What are
Speaker 1: the nephilim who are the Nephilim. So it's it's it's achievement,
Speaker 1: it's goal. It's a good conversation starter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 8: That's awesome.
Speaker 3: It's it's better than ires an't he's worried about his
Speaker 3: being risk gay. We put out some shirts at a
Speaker 3: conference and sold them and it said the Genesis six
Speaker 3: kissing Cousins don't make thirty footers.
Speaker 1: That was good. I did see some of these pictures
Speaker 1: of the Facebook. Yeah, Derek and Sharon where some of
Speaker 1: your merchs as well, So Gilbert, Yeah, that's good stuff.
Speaker 5: Well today, I guess we really wanted to go in first.
Speaker 5: I guess talk about your your new project stuff coming
Speaker 5: out right now kind of what's going on, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so a lot of new a lot of new
Speaker 1: projects and that are gonna be coming out in the
Speaker 1: next year. And it's amazing too because I've gone through
Speaker 1: so many challenges and I just want to put this
Speaker 1: out there for anybody, whether you are just a believer
Speaker 1: who's home and just doing your normal nine to five
Speaker 1: at home listen to podcasts, or you're a content creator
Speaker 1: like yourselves or an author. You know, once you start
Speaker 1: ramping up the spiritual warfare just intensifies. And so you know,
Speaker 1: my daughter, we found out had like, you know, what
Speaker 1: I thought was a simple ankle injury turned out to
Speaker 1: be a genetic foot condition she had. She had surgery
Speaker 1: in August that turned out to be a serious thing,
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and then I uh, I was
Speaker 1: preparing my most recent documentary for the same conference, the
Speaker 1: im and Return Conference a few weeks ago in Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: and man, just the things that were going on between work,
Speaker 1: my kids getting sick. I was extremely ill in the
Speaker 1: week's leading up to the conference. And still people probably
Speaker 1: don't know this we're there in Norman, Oklahoma, because I
Speaker 1: was taking so many off and so much day bill
Speaker 1: and add bill in the morning. But but yeah, but
Speaker 1: it was a lot of challenges. But but you know,
Speaker 1: God has done the throw was to push through. And
Speaker 1: so the first thing I got done for the conference
Speaker 1: is my newest documentary, which is called End Times Nephilon Deception.
Speaker 1: And so this this documentary is really kind of different
Speaker 1: from anything I've done before because it's more of like
Speaker 1: an expose. I really kind of give a quick breakdown
Speaker 1: of Genesis six and then get into really it's a
Speaker 1: real deep dive into the books, the movies, comic books,
Speaker 1: and video games that are all taking Genesis six and
Speaker 1: twisting it. They're talking, you know, whether they're saying that
Speaker 1: the fallen angels and Genesis six were good they just
Speaker 1: you know, they had good intentions when they married human women,
Speaker 1: or that the Nephelm are our saviors, or even the
Speaker 1: even the message. There are many of these books where
Speaker 1: an film is actually the savior of the world and
Speaker 1: they're quoting scripture, you know, some of these some of
Speaker 1: these one of these books, you know, it opens with
Speaker 1: tewod Peter chapter two talking about the angels who sinned
Speaker 1: in the days of mil So they're going to scripture,
Speaker 1: they're using biblical terms, they're using Hebrew, and these books
Speaker 1: are selling by the millions. So I really end movies
Speaker 1: and TV shows. So it's a big kind of exposition
Speaker 1: and really focused on all this stuff is targeted young adults,
Speaker 1: at teens, at kids, and so that's been something on
Speaker 1: my mind by my heart for some time. I was
Speaker 1: a youth pastor in New York City at my old
Speaker 1: church for ten years before I came to Texas, and
Speaker 1: so I've worked with kids before I even had kids.
Speaker 1: In fact, I feel like God put me in that
Speaker 1: role to prepare me to be a parent, and so
Speaker 1: reaching them and knowing what they're dealing with. Obviously, in
Speaker 1: this age of social media, how much differ embarded by
Speaker 1: the prints of the power of the air, right is
Speaker 1: that they are under greater spiritual, the demonic and satanic
Speaker 1: and fallen jelic influence on them. That mean it's a
Speaker 1: thousand times you know what it was ten years ago,
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago and even longer for someone like myself
Speaker 1: when I was a kid and I only had four
Speaker 1: channels on my TV, you know. So so yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's that's the most recent thing. So that just launched
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago. And again when I got back,
Speaker 1: I was really ill. So I haven't even launched it
Speaker 1: online yet. I haven't put out the trailer yet because
Speaker 1: I literally just got helped a couple of days ago
Speaker 1: by God's grace. So so yeah, so that's a little
Speaker 1: bit of be online. I'll be on Vimeo on demand,
Speaker 1: it's to available in DVD, and so I got to
Speaker 1: present on it and debut and actually actually had the
Speaker 1: documentary ready to roll out for that event. So God
Speaker 1: provided there. So that's out. Additionally, I guess I'll start
Speaker 1: with the younger content I'm doing and then get into
Speaker 1: the back to the more adult geological content I'm doing. Also,
Speaker 1: I am doing a children's book series that's going to
Speaker 1: come out in the spring, and these are really like
Speaker 1: for little little kids, children's Bible books, and it's going
Speaker 1: to be focused on two It's really going to be
Speaker 1: focused on two things. On teaching children that the Bible,
Speaker 1: everything in the Bible, all the famous stories of the
Speaker 1: Bible are about Jesus really having them understand the Gospel
Speaker 1: and every story and so, and really understanding types and shadows. Right,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of the game. Going back to being
Speaker 1: a teacher for a decade that's I was teaching types
Speaker 1: and shadow I think it's the easiest way for kids
Speaker 1: to understand that Noah's Ark isn't just a story about
Speaker 1: a flood that wanted to story about the Nephilum. And
Speaker 1: my hope is to be the first author to write
Speaker 1: a children's Bible book that actually has the Nephilim in
Speaker 1: it when you get to the story of Noah's Ark.
Speaker 1: That's my goal to get that out. We'll definitely have
Speaker 1: nephylum in the story and tell the real story, but
Speaker 1: also that Jesus is the art, right, that Moses is
Speaker 1: a type of Jesus, that Joseph is a type of Jesus,
Speaker 1: and explain showing this how God is kind of what
Speaker 1: I talk about in the final that film, that the
Speaker 1: Scroll of Time really teaching that. So so that's what
Speaker 1: I'm doing for the kids in the next year, and
Speaker 1: then beyond that, I am working on a new documentary
Speaker 1: on fall Angelic technology, kind of looking at the technology
Speaker 1: in ancient times, that the falling Ames was provided with
Speaker 1: the Times and Genesis six and all throughout scripture, and
Speaker 1: then how it relates to the end tops because I
Speaker 1: believe technology is going to play a huge role in
Speaker 1: the grit stipulation. Right, the devil meets technology, Right, He's
Speaker 1: not omnipotent, He's not omnipresent. So you can think about things
Speaker 1: like even like the image of the beast, something I
Speaker 1: really want to dig into, because I don't think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of content really exploring the image of the
Speaker 1: beast and the fact that the image can know if
Speaker 1: you are worshiping it or not, right, that is a
Speaker 1: really like how is that possible to know everyone globally
Speaker 1: if whether or not you're worshiping. So you think about
Speaker 1: things like neurally right, being actually plugged in through your
Speaker 1: brain into a system. That's really the only way it
Speaker 1: can be done outside of being God right to know
Speaker 1: the thoughts and intents of the heart. So so so yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be kind of like a looking at ancient
Speaker 1: times and looking at end times. And uh, I will
Speaker 1: I will break give some breaking news on this podcast
Speaker 1: that I've gotten an early confirmation from La Marzouli that
Speaker 1: he's going to collaborate with me on this documentary. So
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about. So yeah, so that would be
Speaker 1: it'll be a lot of it'll be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: And obviously he has a lot to say about anche
Speaker 1: technology and the megaliths and all those things go all
Speaker 1: over the world. So yeah, so that's gonna come. That's
Speaker 1: coming out next year. And then, uh, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: on my next book, I'm about eighty five percent sure.
Speaker 1: I have two kinds of topics I'm looking at. But
Speaker 1: when I'm when I was at the conference, so many
Speaker 1: people were asking me about the gap theory and Genesis
Speaker 1: one and what was taking place, When did Satan rebel?
Speaker 1: Like I got so many people said, hey, when you
Speaker 1: have any thoughts on that? DM me and something that
Speaker 1: I've been I've written on it before, but not in
Speaker 1: the published work. I've just written essays on it and
Speaker 1: research before. And so that's so I'm leaning towards that
Speaker 1: being my next kind of deep dive into because there's
Speaker 1: a lot of great research out there, very similar to
Speaker 1: the Nefel and I think is hasn't been put out
Speaker 1: to the public. I think it's really interesting, right whether
Speaker 1: we're talking about like Ezekiel twenty eight and when did
Speaker 1: that take place? Of Satan says that you thou has
Speaker 1: been in Eden the garden of God? Every precious stone?
Speaker 1: Was that covering? Like when did that happen?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Joe thirty eight? Of course, the saying that this of
Speaker 1: God were rejoicing when God laid the foundations of the earth.
Speaker 1: So there's this history, right, there's a clear history that's
Speaker 1: taking place that involves the angelic realm that predates the earth,
Speaker 1: which we mean it predates humanity, and so kind of
Speaker 1: exploring that. So I think I was over here in
Speaker 1: my mind and then once a lot of people kept
Speaker 1: ask me about it. I just like I was there
Speaker 1: with my mom at the convers I said, you know,
Speaker 1: my mom.
Speaker 9: I feel like God's really saying like this, this is
Speaker 9: like where I should be going next. So so yeah,
Speaker 9: so yeah, so lots and lots of stuff coming, lots
Speaker 9: of stuff coming.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited for next year Loyal Live as well
Speaker 1: as I'm healthy. They'd be a lot of great content
Speaker 1: coming on. And one other thing I'll say too that
Speaker 1: I'm doing too, and this is this is a total
Speaker 1: you know, this is going right back to my teenage
Speaker 1: years because I was a huge comic book sci fi
Speaker 1: nerd as growing up, and so I'm actually for the
Speaker 1: teens and young adults. I'm actually working with an artist
Speaker 1: right now to get a graphic novel version done of
Speaker 1: Judgment of the Nephlok.
Speaker 8: That'll be cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the artist is really good, really expensive, so
Speaker 1: I'm working on that. But I really didn't I can
Speaker 1: get it. I mean, this is like it is like
Speaker 1: professional Marvel DC level artwork. So I really want to
Speaker 1: bring that to that type of medium. I loved writing,
Speaker 1: like you know, when I was a teenager in college,
Speaker 1: and so I think it'd be a great way to
Speaker 1: tell again the biblical truth in a way that's easy
Speaker 1: for someone that age to get into.
Speaker 6: Yeah, as gonna say, it's probably an excellent way to
Speaker 6: reach the kids nowadays, because I mean that's kind of
Speaker 6: like the Marvel stuff is what they're all into exactly.
Speaker 1: I meant it. I was there at one time in
Speaker 1: my life, so I get it. I think we'll get it.
Speaker 1: So yeah. So yeah, so a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: Lord Willing, it's all moving in the right direction. But
Speaker 1: there should be a lot of content coming out in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: Well, how was it? How was that con?
Speaker 3: So I just want to ask you about that because
Speaker 3: I'm friends with Karen and she works with Ala, and
Speaker 3: I actually interviewed her when she got back about her book,
Speaker 3: and of course she was rocking that. I asked me
Speaker 3: about the net Flum shirt. I'm like, oh, you just
Speaker 3: had to get that in. I mean, She's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I love Ryan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I saw Karen there of course and got
Speaker 1: her copy for a book. And the conference was great,
Speaker 1: you know it was it was for me personally. It
Speaker 1: was great for a couple of reasons. One, I just
Speaker 1: love the energy at conferences. The only thing I can
Speaker 1: compare it to, for me, is when you're at a
Speaker 1: big sporting event, right, you come into a stadium and
Speaker 1: people are just hyped. Everyone's got that same kind of
Speaker 1: excitement for everything, and I just love it. So people
Speaker 1: are really really excited. I mean, I probably I can't
Speaker 1: even count the number of like in depth and times
Speaker 1: discussions I had with people just at my table throughout
Speaker 1: the whole three and a half days. I mean, people
Speaker 1: were really geared up and locked in to talked about anytime,
Speaker 1: so about the supernatural. So yeah, so it was a blast.
Speaker 1: There were great presentations and I really really enjoyed. And
Speaker 1: the other thing too, was interestingly, because I always feel
Speaker 1: like Norman, that's kind of like the backyard for prophecy watchers.
Speaker 1: So most of their attendees and these and many people
Speaker 1: who've been to you know, coming to conferences for fifteen
Speaker 1: twenty years, this conference, there were a lot of people
Speaker 1: who were first timers. There are a lot of people
Speaker 1: that were actually never even weren't even familiar within that fold,
Speaker 1: which to me, for a normal Oklahoma conference, that's normally
Speaker 1: not how it is. But it was great because it
Speaker 1: just gave a chance to share, you know, more of
Speaker 1: God's word and with people who weren't as familiar, but
Speaker 1: there were so there were a lot of new people.
Speaker 1: So it was great that there was a good blend
Speaker 1: of veterans and newbies there.
Speaker 5: I guess, going a little further forward, you know, I guess,
Speaker 5: a less happy note than everything we're talking about here
Speaker 5: was the recent passing of Tom Horne, which which has
Speaker 5: hit the whole SkyWatch family and has hit you know,
Speaker 5: all of us that are kind of in this space
Speaker 5: pretty hard when you think about the contributions that he's
Speaker 5: had to to, you know, moving the word of God forward,
Speaker 5: but looking at it from so many different angles and
Speaker 5: really being an inspiration to so many people in this field.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's huge. I mean, he was a huge
Speaker 1: He's a huge part of everything we're doing right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, so obviously it's it's bittersweet, right and we
Speaker 1: know he's with the Lord, and to be absent about
Speaker 1: it is to be present with the Lord. So it's
Speaker 1: a glorious celebration for him to be with God, who
Speaker 1: he has proclaimed to millions of people literally in his
Speaker 1: career and serving God, but so sad at the same time, obviously,
Speaker 1: and I can just say for me personally, he was
Speaker 1: one of the early Minu histories. I go back with
Speaker 1: Tom Horns to Raiders and News Updates when that was
Speaker 1: his original website just with news articles. And for me
Speaker 1: that was you know, again going back to like two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, when I was
Speaker 1: really just getting into prophecy in a major way. That
Speaker 1: was like, get my cup of coffee in the morning,
Speaker 1: go to Raders News.
Speaker 2: Up.
Speaker 1: I'm right there, am I right on Raders News reading
Speaker 1: all the updates, getting all the getting you know, the latest.
Speaker 1: And it was great because for me personally, because again
Speaker 1: I got into prophecy from politics, right from seeing politics
Speaker 1: and prophecy converge and people opening my eyes to that.
Speaker 1: And he played a huge, huge role in that. And
Speaker 1: so and then of course Apolly on twenty twelve, you know,
Speaker 1: that was another major Bible prophecy book for me that
Speaker 1: again had a big impact just to open my mind
Speaker 1: and really inspire me as an author. And I'll also
Speaker 1: say this, and I said this to Joe Horn when
Speaker 1: I went on I watched TV last year. You know
Speaker 1: he was shocked, you know, he didn't because he didn't
Speaker 1: really know me until a few months before I came
Speaker 1: on the show, and he couldn't believe that I knew
Speaker 1: about the original site before it was SkyWatch and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. And I said, yeah, well, man, I go, way,
Speaker 1: I go. I was on that mailing list. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I was a regular subscriber on the mail list, getting
Speaker 1: updates every week. And I said, you know, even just
Speaker 1: the idea of how I ended up publishing my content right,
Speaker 1: because I self publish. I do have my own publishing company.
Speaker 1: I do everything. I said, a lot of that came
Speaker 1: from really modeling Tom Horne, I said, you know, And
Speaker 1: he said, and I told him that at the time,
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, you know. And I didn't get this me,
Speaker 1: Tom Horn. He was already really sick at that time.
Speaker 1: He had been He's been sick for some time. You know,
Speaker 1: he's been sick for about two years. And so I
Speaker 1: was even when I was at you know, kind of
Speaker 1: like their ranch, he was in the house and he
Speaker 1: was texting me and emailing me. But I didn't have
Speaker 1: to get to see him in person. So but I
Speaker 1: did get to write to him and tell him how grateful,
Speaker 1: you know, I was to be an honor to be
Speaker 1: on his show, and he's been such a big part
Speaker 1: of my walk and my growth and really being who
Speaker 1: I am today as an author and publisher. And so
Speaker 1: it's just, you know, really sad, you know, to lose
Speaker 1: him on earth, but happy's in heaven and just really
Speaker 1: thankful for his contributions. And again, you just don't know
Speaker 1: when you're doing content like you guys are doing. You
Speaker 1: just have no idea the seeds that are being planted.
Speaker 1: Because he had no idea and Joe Horn had no idea.
Speaker 1: But here I am, you know, fifteen years later, almost now,
Speaker 1: sitting with Joe Horne. He could he didn't even know
Speaker 1: I ever heard of Readers News updates, but I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I used to read it every single day. And so
Speaker 1: you just never know. You know what you're doing, and
Speaker 1: obviously God provides the growth, but you know it has
Speaker 1: a big impact. So and Tom is a huge, huge
Speaker 1: impact and inspiration to many people. That definitely make one.
Speaker 3: But I'm friends with Joe on Facebook and you're just
Speaker 3: talking about an amazing guy and an amazing family. You know,
Speaker 3: here they are going through this hardship and I thought
Speaker 3: it was amazing. We didn't know until after he had
Speaker 3: done past, but Joe got on it and gave an update,
Speaker 3: you know, on everything in the family and the future
Speaker 3: of SkyWatch and the future of the Whispering Ponies ranch.
Speaker 3: And he said that My first thought was is he
Speaker 3: was giving all these updates, and I was like, you know,
Speaker 3: how amazing that he's letting us in to that inner
Speaker 3: circle and letting us know about Tom, you know, and everything.
Speaker 3: Because a lot of people, and you know, rightfully so
Speaker 3: are more private, you know, with things like that. But
Speaker 3: then you find out later after he passed he'd done
Speaker 3: that video. He said that that they are more private,
Speaker 3: but it was the fact that Tom told him when
Speaker 3: he was there and he actually you know, come through
Speaker 3: the first time. He looked at him and said, the
Speaker 3: sky Watch family needs to know what's going on. He said,
Speaker 3: So I honored my father's wishes and kept everybody outdated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you said it right. They're an amazing family.
Speaker 1: I mean, it takes a lot of strength just and
Speaker 1: they were they were updating frequently. They're evering frequent updates
Speaker 1: and so that is just a testament to that family.
Speaker 1: And and and it's really amazing because they all live
Speaker 1: around each other, you know, they're all they all derect
Speaker 1: sharing older they all live like within ten miles of
Speaker 1: each other, and it's a very tight knit group, just
Speaker 1: not just the Horn family, but the SkyWatch family. And
Speaker 1: that's the power of the spirit, right, I mean, because
Speaker 1: only God can give you that strength.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: If it was me in that persion, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I couldn't hold it together even I was making announcement.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'd be weeping every time if it was
Speaker 1: my dad or my mom. And so yeah, just amazing.
Speaker 5: So I'll say this and as just something that I
Speaker 5: think is so important and things that we need to
Speaker 5: model ourselves. You know, like you said, people who put
Speaker 5: content out things like that doesn't even matter. It doesn't
Speaker 5: matter who you are. You could be, you know, the
Speaker 5: guy that's the quiet guy in the back of the church.
Speaker 5: When when it's all said and done and we get
Speaker 5: to heaven and we're there and you know God's you know,
Speaker 5: they recap our life or whatever whatever happens when we
Speaker 5: get there. The whole point is that what what did
Speaker 5: we do? What did we do for God? And you
Speaker 5: can obviously see a huge impact that Tom's had. And
Speaker 5: then on top of that, our goal should be that
Speaker 5: even when we're gone and we're there that we're still
Speaker 5: impacting people even after we're gone, and you look at
Speaker 5: that family. His work will be impacting people for generations
Speaker 5: if the world lasts that long, but it will be
Speaker 5: impacting generations and bringing people to God because he planted seeds.
Speaker 5: Even crazier think about it like this, there are seeds
Speaker 5: he still hasn't even planted yet because somebody hasn't picked
Speaker 5: up his book, right, And it's something that's such an
Speaker 5: amazing way to look at it when you see that
Speaker 5: his work and the things that he left, if he
Speaker 5: wouldn't have done it just said well, no, I didn't
Speaker 5: need to write those books. I didn't need to do that.
Speaker 5: Guess what that means. Heaven would have been a little
Speaker 5: less populated. But because of that, somebody's gonna walk up
Speaker 5: to him heaven and say, you know what it's because
Speaker 5: of Well, it's because of God, but it's because you
Speaker 5: wrote that. God inspired you to write that. That's what
Speaker 5: made me look into this and that's gonna be a
Speaker 5: huge and he.
Speaker 1: Gave a lot of people a platform, right, Josh Pack,
Speaker 1: Yes again, Derek Gilbert. They started working with Michael Heiser
Speaker 1: in the final years before Michael Heiser passed away. So
Speaker 1: he gave a lot of people the amount of information
Speaker 1: right and just biblical exit Jesus and exposition that he's
Speaker 1: brought through all the whole family of SkyWatch, right, It's
Speaker 1: a lot. It's a lot. And I love the fact
Speaker 1: too that he was so early on he was pushing
Speaker 1: the envelope, right, I mean he is. I can still
Speaker 1: remember back then telling people about Tom Horren and people
Speaker 1: you know that I went to church with, and they
Speaker 1: were like, oh, this guy's crazy. You know, he's talking
Speaker 1: about aliens and fun angels. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm.
Speaker 1: Loving it, you know. And so but you know, he
Speaker 1: was one of the earlier ones who was willing to
Speaker 1: go out on a limb and say, yes, I believe
Speaker 1: the Bible, I love Jesus. I'm a body of believing Christian.
Speaker 1: But we need to talk about the UFO, we need
Speaker 1: to talk about you know, demonic uh warfare, all those
Speaker 1: things where he wasn't you know at a time and
Speaker 1: now it's a lot more common, but you know, he
Speaker 1: was one of the first to really be out there
Speaker 1: pushing that.
Speaker 3: So what was the first book, guys, which I man,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I know you're not a reader, but like
Speaker 3: the first book at at Homes that that you guys
Speaker 3: grabbed and read, he is, I.
Speaker 8: Think I have a couple up here.
Speaker 5: I got the first one, The Messenger was I think
Speaker 5: the Messenger is the first one I got.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for me, it was the nephluin the Stargates book
Speaker 1: with the kind of greenish bluish cover. But the Apollon
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, I mean that was like almost like I
Speaker 1: don't know what to compare it to. It was like
Speaker 1: when he announced that book was coming out, I was
Speaker 1: like like a Star Wars fom. I mean, I was
Speaker 1: like counting down the days to get my hands on
Speaker 1: that book. And yeah, so that that that was it was.
Speaker 1: It was a big one for me. Out of all
Speaker 1: his books.
Speaker 3: The first one I've seen was that the Unearthing the
Speaker 3: Cloud Eaters. I stumbled across that's back there.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's back there too.
Speaker 3: And then I got the Wormwood Prophecy and that one
Speaker 3: kind of blew my mind.
Speaker 4: And we'll see about that. Was it next year?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Feel that.
Speaker 4: M hmmm, we'll get you the audio book.
Speaker 6: I think I think it's yeah, audio books that's where
Speaker 6: it's at for me.
Speaker 2: I love me some audio books.
Speaker 8: I think that's the best thing.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 5: His family can look back at the legacy that he
Speaker 5: left in God's name and to further the you know,
Speaker 5: we always say, you know, it's populate having an empty
Speaker 5: out hell, and he truly left the legacy in that
Speaker 5: regard and has touched a lot of people like you said,
Speaker 5: and gave him a platform. It's been amazing, amazing person,
Speaker 5: amazing family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, and the enemy loves to cross
Speaker 1: over right into our territory, right, Like That's why I
Speaker 1: did my documentary because I'm like here, people didn't even
Speaker 1: know that there are all these books that are fiction
Speaker 1: books that are talking about Genesis six, that are talking
Speaker 1: about in that film Fallen Angels and takes stuff from
Speaker 1: the Bible for the enemy. And Tom has also been
Speaker 1: able to reach some of the people who weren't Christians,
Speaker 1: but just we're into the paranormal, we're into supernatural, into
Speaker 1: the UFO phenomena, and bring them to the truth of
Speaker 1: the Bible. Sot of lots of the legacy that he's
Speaker 1: left behind for sure, like Josh Pack for example, right,
Speaker 1: he was someone who was total New Ager and because
Speaker 1: of his interest in the power normal now he ends
Speaker 1: up working for Tempo as a Bible believing Christian.
Speaker 5: And if we shut that down, if we shut down
Speaker 5: and say the New Age stuff, or shut these people
Speaker 5: down just and push them away, if we don't, like
Speaker 5: Michael Heiser would go to UFO conventions. You know, you
Speaker 5: have these people that that you can't They're looking for answers.
Speaker 5: And if we just shut down, say well you're you're
Speaker 5: you know, I don't believe that, So I'm not going
Speaker 5: to go and and and even expose myself to that.
Speaker 5: You're leaving a whole group of people out that need
Speaker 5: to hear the word. I don't care what you believe
Speaker 5: right now. My job is still to plant the seed
Speaker 5: in you. That's that's what God wants us to do.
Speaker 1: Amen.
Speaker 4: So it's pretty amazing prime example.
Speaker 1: Yep mm hmm.
Speaker 5: All right, now, Ryan, I want to get to a
Speaker 5: little bit of the meat of some of the things.
Speaker 5: I actually thought you'd be a perfect person to talk
Speaker 5: to some of this on and actually just with some
Speaker 5: of your upcoming projects, I got some goosebumps because it's
Speaker 5: along the same lines of the stuff I'm talking about
Speaker 5: and a lot of the stuff that we if me,
Speaker 5: Justin and Ben are sitting around in the mics aren't
Speaker 5: on this is the stuff we're talking about. This is
Speaker 5: still even when we're not researching, we're not in it.
Speaker 5: This is us and we're our theories, our ideas, these
Speaker 5: things like how does this tie in biblically?
Speaker 8: You know, where is this going?
Speaker 5: And we're looking a lot at prophecy, and we see
Speaker 5: prophecy throughout, you know, the Old Testament, and a lot
Speaker 5: of it has already come true. And now I think
Speaker 5: we're seeing the beginning stages of revelations start to come
Speaker 5: into fluition. And it's it's you know, there's a lot
Speaker 5: of people that will debate one way or another, but
Speaker 5: you were talking before about the ramping up of the
Speaker 5: lies with the Nephelum and and in the movies, TV
Speaker 5: and literature, and actually, Justin, I know you have a
Speaker 5: copy of it. I mean, if you go back, this
Speaker 5: stuff has been ingrained for a while. But me and
Speaker 5: Justin both have a copy of an old Walt Disney
Speaker 5: cartoon or a comic book that's Scrooge McDuck and it's
Speaker 5: the Search for King Ogg's Bed, really and I mean,
Speaker 5: that's that's a Disney thing from back in I think
Speaker 5: it's the Sick. It's either the late sixties, I think
Speaker 5: it is. And then I just got Justin's gonna grab it.
Speaker 5: I just got another one of the Avengers coming to
Speaker 5: save Gilgamesh.
Speaker 8: Wow, And I thought, and.
Speaker 5: You're seeing this stuff and this is not brand new.
Speaker 5: I think that one's from the nineties. I'd have to look.
Speaker 5: I have a copy of it somewhere around here. But
Speaker 5: it's just amazing. You see that that stuff being pushed on,
Speaker 5: like you said, everywhere. If we go into the Gilgamesh
Speaker 5: slash Nimrod and and really look into what you know,
Speaker 5: what that was and all that. We've gone into that
Speaker 5: stuff a million times. But it's so interesting. But you're
Speaker 5: seeing this stuff being pushed on us. You're seeing that stuff,
Speaker 5: and now we're seeing the what I believe is I mean,
Speaker 5: this stuff's been ramping up and ramping up and ramping up,
Speaker 5: and I'm seeing I think we're seeing the next step. Yeah,
Speaker 5: there's the right there.
Speaker 8: Yeah, odds iron Bed.
Speaker 1: That's unbelievable. That is unreal. Is that a comic?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yes, wow, Wow, look at it.
Speaker 8: You can get it for about get it for about
Speaker 8: five bucks on.
Speaker 4: Either when you go back to them days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 5: But this stuff is poppular, it's popping up everywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and this is backaway, so it's slowly softenness into it.
Speaker 5: But and I think that the next step is is
Speaker 5: what we're seeing with right now happening in Israel. But anyway,
Speaker 5: go ahead, jump in. You had something to say, go ahead,
Speaker 5: get after it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Matthew twenty four, right, I mean that's where
Speaker 1: to me where it all starts, because I believe that's
Speaker 1: where Jesus is clearly giving the chronology of the end times.
Speaker 1: And the first thing right the disciples is like this
Speaker 1: is like one End Times class in the Gospels right
Speaker 1: where they say what will be the signs all the
Speaker 1: end times and all thy coming and of the end
Speaker 1: of the world. So the context is clear, and the
Speaker 1: first thing Jesus says is to take heed no man
Speaker 1: deceive you, right, So it's deception. And this is kind
Speaker 1: of what I was talking about at Norman, because it's
Speaker 1: the anti crisis is not coming, you know, guns blazing, fangs,
Speaker 1: blood dripping, scaring everybody. It's all about deception. It's all
Speaker 1: about I'm going to fool you into worshiping Me, into
Speaker 1: worshiping Satan, into forsaking your own salvation and redemption to
Speaker 1: any chance of it. And so that's the start of it, right.
Speaker 1: And so what I think is when you think about
Speaker 1: the timing of the antimes and how Israel plays a role,
Speaker 1: right one, the antimes entirely are centered on Israel. And
Speaker 1: it's critical when we talk about deception, right, it starts
Speaker 1: with Israel. And the reason why is because God banks
Speaker 1: his name and his word on prophecy being fulfilled and
Speaker 1: puts the challenge up that God said, I'm going to
Speaker 1: tell you what's going to happen, and essentially he's telling
Speaker 1: on the phone and jel Agrome, there's nothing you can
Speaker 1: do to stop it. I'm gonna tell just like he
Speaker 1: told Satan, it's going to be a baby born one day,
Speaker 1: in just three And here we go. The devil tried
Speaker 1: and try and drive throughout the Old Testament. Well there's
Speaker 1: a second coming right that see to the woman's returning again,
Speaker 1: and it's all connected to Israel, right. I mean, Jesus
Speaker 1: says that you know I will not return. I'm not
Speaker 1: coming back until you say blessed is he who cometh
Speaker 1: in the name of the Lord. And of course there
Speaker 1: are numerous passages, right Isaiah sixty two where you see
Speaker 1: that God is specifically saying that Israel has to be reconciled.
Speaker 1: They reckon the antime's reconciliation of Israel is the critical
Speaker 1: fulfillment for critical event that has to take place to
Speaker 1: initiate the second coming of Christ. They initiate armagin and
Speaker 1: the ultimate defeat of the anti Christ. And so what
Speaker 1: are we seeing. I think that we're seeing now the
Speaker 1: birth pangs that Jesus talks of out in Mathew twenty
Speaker 1: four and Luke, because the devil needs Israel, he needs
Speaker 1: to take over Israel, he needs the Jewish Israeli people
Speaker 1: to accept his false Messiah. Right, all these things right,
Speaker 1: and and so ultimately, just to take you kind of
Speaker 1: through chronological how I see it. I you know, I,
Speaker 1: of course am a I'm a pre trib rapture believer.
Speaker 1: However I put the timing of the rapture a little
Speaker 1: bit differently from other people, right, So I believe that.
Speaker 6: Right, we hope it's free trib We don't we don't
Speaker 6: want to do with all that.
Speaker 2: I don't want to trust.
Speaker 1: The three three chapters of Joel, the three little chapters.
Speaker 1: You don't want to be no, no, not all, not
Speaker 1: at all. And I don't believe that. I believe God
Speaker 1: will rescue Jesus rescues his bride. We see that example
Speaker 1: all throughout scripture, right, you I Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot
Speaker 1: is told the angels tell him we cannot do anything
Speaker 1: until you are gone, right, they the believers leave. The
Speaker 1: judgment comes af from God. Of course, Noah on the ark,
Speaker 1: he goes into the ark. God closes the door. He's
Speaker 1: on the arc seven days, right, and then the flood
Speaker 1: judgment comes right, so we see. I think God shows
Speaker 1: us prophetically a pretribulation rapture all throughout scripture. So I'm
Speaker 1: definitely pre triven. However, I believe I don't have the
Speaker 1: same traditional timing. Many people say, oh, the first seal
Speaker 1: is that is the start of everything, and I actually
Speaker 1: don't believe that, right, And the reason why is when
Speaker 1: you go through Revelation, particularly in chapters four and five.
Speaker 8: Of course you.
Speaker 1: See God the Father on the throne and he has
Speaker 1: a book, right, He's holding this scroll and it says
Speaker 1: that no man was found worthy to open the book
Speaker 1: in heaven or on earth or under the earth. Right,
Speaker 1: So that means nowhere in the divine or human realm
Speaker 1: is anyone worthy. Right. And of course then John cries
Speaker 1: and the angels says, you know, don't cry, Behold, the
Speaker 1: lamb of God has prevailed. Right. He of course we
Speaker 1: know Jesus is worthy to open the book, right, everyone
Speaker 1: knows that. However, I think that gives us a clue
Speaker 1: into the timing. And I think what's taking place is
Speaker 1: when when they say no one's worthy, it's before the
Speaker 1: resurrection of Christ, before he won his victory, and so
Speaker 1: of course that's the only time that you could say that.
Speaker 1: But of course once he's wants his victory, and of
Speaker 1: course it says he appears as a lamb that had
Speaker 1: been slain, right, So this is his resurrection formed. I
Speaker 1: believe when he appears, because it says, and lo and behold,
Speaker 1: and I go, I said, I go into. I haven't
Speaker 1: done this in the book, but I've done this in
Speaker 1: my own research and article I've written for myself. Where
Speaker 1: that Greek term low and behold always has a It
Speaker 1: denotes a suddenness that out of nowhere This just happened
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, and so I believe that what's taking
Speaker 1: place there is Jesus is now ascending. It's the fifty Days,
Speaker 1: it's Acts chapter one, the Days after the Resurrection. He
Speaker 1: is now ascending to heaven in a cloud and now
Speaker 1: is appearing suddenly. And of course now he is worth
Speaker 1: it because he has won the victory and he's back
Speaker 1: in heaven. So of course he can take that book,
Speaker 1: that scroll, the seven Sealed Scroll, which I also believe
Speaker 1: was the scroll given to Daniel that Daniel was told
Speaker 1: to shut up and seal until the time of the
Speaker 1: end in Daniel chapter twelve. I believe that's the exact
Speaker 1: same book that Jesus is now opening. And so so
Speaker 1: of course from a timing standpoint, that would mean because
Speaker 1: of course he takes the scroll and opens it, and
Speaker 1: that would open the first scroll two thousand years ago. Right,
Speaker 1: It's because that's obviously when he was crucial, and he's
Speaker 1: crucified and resurrected. And so I believe that the seals
Speaker 1: are progressing through the Church age. And I think Jesus
Speaker 1: describes this right in Matthew twenty four. Right, we see
Speaker 1: the four horsemen and and Jesus says, first he starts
Speaker 1: up saying me, where no man deceive view, They says
Speaker 1: there should be wars and rumors of wars. Of course,
Speaker 1: the second horseman, the red the rider of the red
Speaker 1: horse is brings war, right. And I believe these are
Speaker 1: spirits that are bringing this this spirit into the world
Speaker 1: throughout the Church age. Right, we have this spirit of
Speaker 1: deception that we see taking place, right, whether it's false doctrines,
Speaker 1: whether it's the New Age movement, where it's the modern Nephelon,
Speaker 1: Donald Duck King Odd's bed movement, all these things that
Speaker 1: are taking bringing in spiritual deception into the Church and
Speaker 1: into the world. Right, it's taking over by storm and
Speaker 1: wars and rumors of wars. And I even talked about
Speaker 1: in the found like of this dats right, You've seen
Speaker 1: the stats and homas, just the sheer of bloodshed in
Speaker 1: the last three centuries of war. Right, it's just it's
Speaker 1: on a yeah, it's a hockey stick, right. And then
Speaker 1: the pale horse rider right and says they show off
Speaker 1: you up to be killed. And so I think that
Speaker 1: is so I believe those spirits right are have been
Speaker 1: released into the earth from two thousand years ago, and
Speaker 1: we see and how can I say their spirits? Right?
Speaker 1: How can I say that? Because we see you know,
Speaker 1: I'm all about scriptures, gotta interpret scripture and everything, every word,
Speaker 1: God's got to happen. There you go, Zachariah right, and
Speaker 1: so Zacharia, well, that's where we see the horsemen right where,
Speaker 1: And it said clearly that these are the spirits that
Speaker 1: God has sent forth into the earth right to and
Speaker 1: fro on the earth. So we know that there's a
Speaker 1: precedent in scripture from them being spirit beings. And then
Speaker 1: you get to the fifth seal, and that is the
Speaker 1: most interesting to me, the most interesting of the seals
Speaker 1: because it's the only one that is predicated on time.
Speaker 1: Because you have the martyrs under the altar and they
Speaker 1: ask God, they say, how long, oh God, until you
Speaker 1: avenge us. So these are people obviously been killed already
Speaker 1: for their testimony, and they're asking God, when are you
Speaker 1: going to go out to go down there and handle
Speaker 1: business and take these people out who've killed us over
Speaker 1: the years. And God says, yet a little while along
Speaker 1: until you're a fellow servants be fulfilled. So I actually
Speaker 1: interpret that to me, those martyrs are people who've been
Speaker 1: martyred throughout the church ASI and of course they are
Speaker 1: martyrs right now, restricted nations all over the world. But God,
Speaker 1: I believe what God is saying at the fit seals
Speaker 1: that he has a number. God has a number of
Speaker 1: martyrs and when that number is reached, because he says,
Speaker 1: until the number of your fellow servants is fulfilled, and
Speaker 1: when that's reached, then God's gonna that's it. Then it's
Speaker 1: over that God is going to and I believe that
Speaker 1: is what's going to actually trigger the timing of the
Speaker 1: Great sumulation. Of course that's not something we can know.
Speaker 1: We don't know what that number is. But again we
Speaker 1: see this, you know, with Abraham and God talking to
Speaker 1: Abraham about the amorits, where he says, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna judge them yet, right he says, the folds
Speaker 1: of their sin hasn't been reached yet, He said, we hadn't.
Speaker 1: They still have a little bit left right beside the
Speaker 1: more say their sins and reached up to heaven, so
Speaker 1: I have to come down. So God is at various
Speaker 1: times to say, look, I'm gonna give you or a
Speaker 1: nation a certain amount of leeway to allow repentance. But
Speaker 1: if he reach my limit, that's it.
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Speaker 3: And I've got a question for You're man uh with
Speaker 3: the whole uh the spirits of the Martyred Saints.
Speaker 4: You know it says it's from from under the altar.
Speaker 3: Now if you try to read revelation, you know chronologically
Speaker 3: you know, it says, you know at the end, you
Speaker 3: know that the dead in him shall rise first. So like,
Speaker 3: growing up as like a missionary Baptist, I was always
Speaker 3: taught that, you know, we all get to go to
Speaker 3: heaven at the same time. You know, no one gets
Speaker 3: there before the other. We all go once together. So like,
Speaker 3: do you do you believe that these uh martyred spirits
Speaker 3: are there in heaven with God? Or do you think
Speaker 3: this is like the spirits uh calling from paradise or
Speaker 3: from the grave or what's your opinion on that?
Speaker 1: Okay, I think Darren heaven. I think dead Christians I
Speaker 1: believe they go to heaven. I believe. I think that's
Speaker 1: what Paul is saying when he says to be absent
Speaker 1: from the body is to be present with the Lord
Speaker 1: that you are post the resurrection. I believe before the
Speaker 1: Resurrection you were in shield right in Hell right, but
Speaker 1: in the in the Godly compartment, section Godly section exactly.
Speaker 1: Abraham's was you're the VIP exactly, yes, sir, And so yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think that's where everyone went before the resurrection.
Speaker 1: But I think, but I think after the Resurrection, now,
Speaker 1: of course Christ is won basically given us access right
Speaker 1: to the goal before the throne of God here in prayer.
Speaker 1: But also I believe in heaven the spirit spiritually, that
Speaker 1: we can actually go to heaven when we die and
Speaker 1: be there in spirit for him. Okay, so yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's so, that's so, that's so. I think that's
Speaker 1: where we are right now, that literally in the fifth Seal,
Speaker 1: and we can't know who that last martyr is, right,
Speaker 1: but I think but God knows, of course, And I
Speaker 1: think once that martyr is killed, then the everything starts,
Speaker 1: the Great Tribulation, the rapture, and I believe it all
Speaker 1: happens at the sixth Seal. So I believe that is
Speaker 1: when everything that we know is the Great Tribulation begins
Speaker 1: at the six sealed. I believe that's also when we
Speaker 1: are raptured. So I am a pre tribulation one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: We will not experience any of the Great Tribulation. But
Speaker 1: I just think it starts at a different time than
Speaker 1: the traditional model. So I'll also have one other things
Speaker 1: just connected back to Israel. The interesting thing too, is
Speaker 1: so where I think Israel fits in as well with
Speaker 1: this timing, because I read Revelation as in chronological order, right,
Speaker 1: with some parenthetical passages in chats that are just giving
Speaker 1: you more detail, but I think generally it's written outletical order.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, chronological order, primarily because you know, once you
Speaker 1: get past chapter four, every single chapter to the end
Speaker 1: begins with end right, and the angels of this, and
Speaker 1: God should this, and he showed me this, So it's
Speaker 1: kind of hinting that it's in sequence. But if you
Speaker 1: look at it right, so you get to the sixth
Speaker 1: Seal being opened, and this is when the Great Tribulation starts,
Speaker 1: and you have again what Jesus describes. He talks about
Speaker 1: earthquakes in divers places, the sun turning dark. This is
Speaker 1: all again right out of Matthew twenty four. If you
Speaker 1: just followed into Jesus saying in Matthew twenty four, it
Speaker 1: leads right to the six Seal events. And that's of
Speaker 1: course when it says that the you know, all the
Speaker 1: keep on earth, the Great Man, the Mighty Man, the Illuminati,
Speaker 1: everybody's running and hiding because they now they know God
Speaker 1: is This is God. This is not a government, This
Speaker 1: is not you know, some small splinter group. This is God.
Speaker 1: Almighty is now coming in to the human realm to
Speaker 1: start judging the earth. And that's when they say hi
Speaker 1: to us. Because the day, the great day of his
Speaker 1: wrath is common who's able to stand? And so that's
Speaker 1: when I think everything happens. And then you get to
Speaker 1: chapter seven. You have the ceiling of the one hundred
Speaker 1: and forty four thousand, who I think are sent out
Speaker 1: in particulation, of course, to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom.
Speaker 1: And then you have that multitude that no man can number,
Speaker 1: that just get says and lo and behold, and multitude
Speaker 1: shows up that of all different colors, racist flavors, ethnicities, backgrounds, languages,
Speaker 1: and I believe that's actually the rapture Church. That's that
Speaker 1: that lets us well essentially. And then when you get
Speaker 1: the chapter eight, and this is where I think Israel
Speaker 1: comes in. You have at the first trumpet judgment. So
Speaker 1: there's the mighty Angel standing at the altar, and it's
Speaker 1: interesting he cast down his censor. He has a censor,
Speaker 1: and he cast his censor down to earth. And there's
Speaker 1: something very interesting about that because it says that it's
Speaker 1: fire and brimstone and blood on the earth. And that
Speaker 1: happens to be when you look at the God May
Speaker 1: God wars. I believe there are two wars, but in
Speaker 1: chapters is Equels Chapter thirty and thirty nine, that God
Speaker 1: May God coalition is destroyed by fire, brimstone, and blood.
Speaker 1: It's a very unique combination only appears that's the only
Speaker 1: time we see that in the Bible. So I actually
Speaker 1: think that Israel the attack on Israel by this coalition.
Speaker 1: I think it's also at the start of the Great Tribulation.
Speaker 1: And I actually think that what's going to happen when
Speaker 1: we think about the Israel being deceived, I think that
Speaker 1: obviously because Israel is going to be victorious, right is
Speaker 1: in this conflict. Israel wins in the God May God War,
Speaker 1: and I think it actually set the stage for the Antichrist,
Speaker 1: that the antichrest may try to clean credit. So it's
Speaker 1: almost like a false Armageddon. I believe like the God
Speaker 1: made God War is gonna be the because people are
Speaker 1: gonna think it's Armageddon, but it's not. It's like the
Speaker 1: ragipulation is just started. But in the in the in
Speaker 1: the fog of war and out of the ashes and
Speaker 1: out of the victory, I think an Antichrist might emerge
Speaker 1: and clean credit that is he who helped win this
Speaker 1: victory for Israel.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've heard it. I was watching It's a guy
Speaker 6: a knops. I can't Charles give you his name, lawson.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy. He was talking about this and.
Speaker 6: He said that gona make Gog comes it's Israel, and
Speaker 6: and it also says that no one's helping Israel. So
Speaker 6: it's almost like, right now we're helping him. Okay, So
Speaker 6: he explains it, say so say the whole God that
Speaker 6: thing goes bad, right, Israel just says.
Speaker 2: I had enough. It just blows them all up, right,
Speaker 2: and then.
Speaker 6: The US says, whoa, guys, you went way too far.
Speaker 2: We can't we can't be involved with this.
Speaker 6: And it would be more of the population in Uproar,
Speaker 6: would make the military pull back, right, So then that
Speaker 6: leaves Israel by themselves. Then he said that the only
Speaker 6: thing that can save Israel is God himself, which annihilates
Speaker 6: Gog and make Gog. Well, the whole world will see
Speaker 6: an act of God. So then the Muslim religion will
Speaker 6: back up say whoa, whoa, whoa, because they just see
Speaker 6: what happened, right, So then then they back up, and
Speaker 6: it gives Israel the opportunity to seize the Temple mount
Speaker 6: to build the Third Temple, and then where it starts,
Speaker 6: then that starts everything. And and you know, nobody knows
Speaker 6: who the anti Christ will be, but someone will be
Speaker 6: an interceder between Israel and the Muslim world. It could
Speaker 6: be the Pope, it could be the President of the
Speaker 6: United States.
Speaker 2: Whatever that might be at the time.
Speaker 4: I think you right from the tribe.
Speaker 2: And that's what I think, and that's what I think.
Speaker 6: It's probably someone in the Muslim Jewish realm to do so.
Speaker 6: And then then that will be the anti Christ. And
Speaker 6: that's what gets it going, because the Muslims aren't just
Speaker 6: going to give it up. It's gonna have to be
Speaker 6: something of God, something miraculous.
Speaker 4: That the Abraham accord.
Speaker 3: You know, I see that as the Daniel h we're
Speaker 3: talked about. And then Daniel said that they will make
Speaker 3: a peace treating and there will be agreement, but then
Speaker 3: the peace will be broken, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Bolary stuff going on. That was the first thing that
Speaker 3: popped intoto my mind. It was like, oh, well, here
Speaker 3: we go.
Speaker 1: Company. Yeah, you know, and the fun and the thing
Speaker 1: too is Ben just just even hearing you lay that out.
Speaker 1: We are so close to that scenario, right, it's at
Speaker 1: any more a strong, overwhelming response in Goza, which triggers
Speaker 1: the Muslim nations to attack and we and then triggers
Speaker 1: the US to say no, that you went too far
Speaker 1: and now now you're alone. I mean, we're like that
Speaker 1: could that can happen any day, like literally any day
Speaker 1: in the next two weeks. That could that exact scenario
Speaker 1: could happen.
Speaker 4: And that's what they're saying on the radio. Don't overreact,
Speaker 4: don't overreact. We're afraid Israel over react.
Speaker 6: Well, see, I'm from a military family. I served, my
Speaker 6: dad served, my grandparents served all the way.
Speaker 2: Back that we know.
Speaker 6: And and if you look at a military aspect of things,
Speaker 6: the world has gotten soft in a war type scenario
Speaker 6: of what it used to be.
Speaker 2: And and it's it's.
Speaker 6: Soft in a good way, but soft in a bad
Speaker 6: way like war is supposed to be.
Speaker 2: Just splat out the Romans. It's war. There's no home bard.
Speaker 2: If you kill a family, you kill a family. It's
Speaker 2: part of war. And that's horrible to say, but that's
Speaker 2: what war is.
Speaker 6: Now. Now we're tiptoe and trying to play play war,
Speaker 6: but not, you know, Israel said that, you know, well,
Speaker 6: you you know the Gaza, the Hamas, they're they're bad guys.
Speaker 2: But but you can't blow.
Speaker 6: Up hospitals like they try to blame, right, I mean,
Speaker 6: I fought these guys.
Speaker 2: I was in Iraq, you know, two doors.
Speaker 6: There's numerous videos online that you can watch where they
Speaker 6: try to shoot us and they blow themselves up because.
Speaker 2: It's ancient ammunition whatever.
Speaker 6: That's so old, or they don't know what they're doing
Speaker 6: and they end up killing themselves over it.
Speaker 2: But it's it's to the extent.
Speaker 6: To where it would it would be like us stay
Speaker 6: in the revolutionary war.
Speaker 2: You can only take so much and then you have
Speaker 2: to fight and.
Speaker 6: Then but it's war.
Speaker 2: There is no rule in war.
Speaker 6: We've tried to the civilized world has tried to say, okay, look.
Speaker 2: Can't use gas. You know, you can't use that kind
Speaker 2: of weapons.
Speaker 6: You you know, the medics, you're not supposed to shoot
Speaker 6: at them.
Speaker 2: But in return, the mates can't use you know, fully.
Speaker 6: Automatic weapons either. They can protect themselves with their with
Speaker 6: their their personal weapons. They can't get on a cruiser
Speaker 6: and mow people down. You know, it's there. There's the
Speaker 6: genius Geneva convention kind as the guideline.
Speaker 11: Of what war in a civilian in a in a
Speaker 11: civilized world would be like in the revolutionary.
Speaker 6: War, yeah, you don't shoot the commanders. You shoot the commanders,
Speaker 6: there's no one to command the army.
Speaker 2: Then they just do whatever. So that was frowned upon.
Speaker 6: But in the guerrilla warfare, you shoot the commanders because
Speaker 6: then they there's no one telling them what to do.
Speaker 6: Then there's chaos, you know. And and as a Muslim person,
Speaker 6: they don't care if they die. They get there over
Speaker 6: any virgins in you know, in heaven, and the poor
Speaker 6: virgins get a sweaty terrace. I mean it's it's a
Speaker 6: bad shake on the virgins. But I mean it's it's
Speaker 6: just the.
Speaker 4: Gene or the sex of those virgins either yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Or the animal type. I mean, you know.
Speaker 6: But anyways, it's it's you're you're playing on two levels. Right.
Speaker 6: We have our our world, our ideas of what war
Speaker 6: should be, and then you have what the Muslim they
Speaker 6: don't care. They'll just kill whoever, They kill their own
Speaker 6: people just to just to try to blame it on
Speaker 6: the Israels. So so hey, look at me, be on.
Speaker 2: My side, and I think.
Speaker 8: You got to put a little differentiator.
Speaker 5: You gotta put a little differentiation in there, because we
Speaker 5: can't just say the Muslim people.
Speaker 8: That's a way too broad.
Speaker 5: Well, we're talking about the violent sects of the yes,
Speaker 5: because I know very I know plenty of Muslims that
Speaker 5: are as. I mean, I talk to them about try
Speaker 5: to bring them to God. But the ones that have
Speaker 5: the violent the agenda. And we see that with Hamas
Speaker 5: right now, right, and I mean hamas being even the
Speaker 5: Hebrew word for violence, right. And we talk about this
Speaker 5: with if we go back into you know what it
Speaker 5: says in the days of Noah, it was because the
Speaker 5: world was filled with much hamas. And look what's happening
Speaker 5: right now. It says, so it shall be, so shall
Speaker 5: it be in the day you know, in the end
Speaker 5: of days will be the same as it was in
Speaker 5: the days of Noah.
Speaker 8: It will be filled with much violence, much Hamas.
Speaker 5: And I think that's pretty eerie that that that name
Speaker 5: sticks out and is right there and you know it,
Speaker 5: and it's right there in front of us, and it's
Speaker 5: a very scary thing because we got to be very
Speaker 5: careful with this too, because if you go back, think
Speaker 5: about World War two and we say out that Japanese
Speaker 5: are terrible, so we're gonna take American Japanese because we
Speaker 5: think they're all sleepers and put them in in camps.
Speaker 8: And we can't.
Speaker 5: You have to be very judicious about this at the
Speaker 5: same time, because we're looking at us, we're looking at
Speaker 5: a certain group of another certain group.
Speaker 8: Of people, if that makes sense.
Speaker 5: I I hate I hate generalizations because we can say
Speaker 5: that all the time. It's like we we talk about
Speaker 5: actually justin we talked about a little bit earlier about
Speaker 5: we can say, uh, you know, you can't say that
Speaker 5: all Christians or all Catholics believe this, this, this or this,
Speaker 5: so it's wrong, or all Lutherans believe this this, it's wrong.
Speaker 5: You can't take a whole group of people and say
Speaker 5: they're all evil or they're wrong about a certain exceptions.
Speaker 5: Their theology is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I agree, I agree definitely, And and
Speaker 1: even some of the reactions you see too where and
Speaker 1: I'm like, what you know, because to me, it's like Hamas.
Speaker 1: Everything you guys just said makes it so easy to
Speaker 1: show how wicked Hamas is right. Their very name is
Speaker 1: Hebrew for violence, Their charter is almost like prophecy, right,
Speaker 1: their charter calling for the extermination of Israel, Like it's
Speaker 1: almost prophetic that they're saying that, and and and in
Speaker 1: a Satanic way, right, And that's all satanically inspired. So
Speaker 1: but at the same time, you make a great point,
Speaker 1: we have to balance it out. And not to say
Speaker 1: that all Muslims are that way, or even all Palestinians,
Speaker 1: but certainly anyone who is actually a member of Hamas
Speaker 1: that is what they are assigning up for and pledging
Speaker 1: and taking an oath to. So. Yes, So I think
Speaker 1: it's it's important and and and and also spiritual, right
Speaker 1: they are what spirit you have to be led by
Speaker 1: a fall angelic or demonic spirit to literally play yourself
Speaker 1: to exterminate a group of people, anybody, any group of people, much.
Speaker 4: Less yew Derek Gilbert talked about this too.
Speaker 3: It just kind of come to my mind that book
Speaker 3: of his, what was it called Bad Moon Rising, and
Speaker 3: I remember specifically hit him saying that it was his belief.
Speaker 3: And this was back in early you know, early to
Speaker 3: mid two thousands, you know, I would say maybe around
Speaker 3: twenty ten, but don't quote me, but I remember reading
Speaker 3: in that book he said that it was his opinion
Speaker 3: that you know, and once again painting with broad brush here,
Speaker 3: but he was saying that he believes that the Muslim religion,
Speaker 3: especially the violent sex, would be the instrument that Satan
Speaker 3: uses to start this war with Israel. And basically that
Speaker 3: the Spirit is going to eves them and lead them,
Speaker 3: and he's going to use them and then just.
Speaker 4: Throw them away.
Speaker 3: But I remember him saying in that book that basically
Speaker 3: pretty much what's going on right now. Now that I
Speaker 3: reflect back on that, it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 8: So going just.
Speaker 5: Because we may or may not have an expert on
Speaker 5: biblical bloodlines with us.
Speaker 8: Right now, I think it's important too. I don't.
Speaker 5: You know, a lot of people you know biblically understand
Speaker 5: you know Israel and understand, you know.
Speaker 8: Their role as being God's people, But I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 5: And as much as maybe we we've researched it or
Speaker 5: know it, not a lot of people know where this started.
Speaker 5: We're going back through bloodlines, this is what matters. We're
Speaker 5: going back to Isaac and Ishman, right Abraham, Isaac and Ishman,
Speaker 5: and then when we get down to Muhammad Mohammad being
Speaker 5: told a fallen angel coming and telling him that Ishmael
Speaker 5: is the correct and honestly, it's pretty amazing. It's a
Speaker 5: mere image. Right, we have the twelve tribes of Israel,
Speaker 5: but we also have the twelve tribes of twelve descendants
Speaker 5: of Ishmael. So you see that that this is the thing.
Speaker 5: And then there this fallen angel tells Mohammad, hey, this
Speaker 5: is the it really belongs to Ishmael. He was the
Speaker 5: first born, he was this, he was this, and this
Speaker 5: whole thing. We get to that point where you see
Speaker 5: now Hamas believing that so wholeheartedly that it's the eradication
Speaker 5: of the impostors, of the ones that do not belong,
Speaker 5: the ones that took their birthright. If you go back
Speaker 5: to that point, exactly, go back to that point. And
Speaker 5: I don't know if everybody understands that this is not
Speaker 5: just a you know, this is truly a thousands and
Speaker 5: thousands of year old war that has been going on
Speaker 5: ever since the separation of Ishmael and Isaac. When when
Speaker 5: Hagar took Ishmael into the wilderness, right and and and god, actually,
Speaker 5: you know, he still took care of her, He still
Speaker 5: gave her a spring water to drink, things like this.
Speaker 5: He still cared about those people. But what the devil
Speaker 5: did is he well, he took that, he took that split,
Speaker 5: and he did exactly what you said, Jess, and he's
Speaker 5: flipped it over. So look, no, it's not these twelve
Speaker 5: and c these twelve and he takes that. It's always it.
Speaker 5: He trades the truth for a lie, that one little
Speaker 5: thing exactly you know, same thing in the garden, same way,
Speaker 5: and he took it, and he just took the next
Speaker 5: step and said, you know what, this split right here,
Speaker 5: it was just we took the wrong branch. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: that's it's it's obviously look at that, look at that
Speaker 5: in the world today, and look at how pronounced that
Speaker 5: religion is based on Muhammad's teachings.
Speaker 1: Definitely, I mean that's that, that's uh, you know, phenomenal analysis.
Speaker 1: And I definitely believe that the religion was inspired by
Speaker 1: a fallen angel. And it's just the devil's pattern, right,
Speaker 1: because that's exactly how I believe that Antichrist is going
Speaker 1: to be set up or he is the mirror image
Speaker 1: of Jesus. It's like they're trying again. It's not intimidation,
Speaker 1: it's it's deception. He's going to say, oh, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is the actual messide, this is who you're supposed to worship,
Speaker 1: not not the one from two thousand years ago. Here
Speaker 1: is the actual one. And that's that's his plan. It's
Speaker 1: always it's really taking just a little bit of truth
Speaker 1: and twisting it. Right, it's the same thing to deceive.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, you know, I agree. So he's taken
Speaker 1: the seed of Ismael and twisted their hearts and minds
Speaker 1: so much, all through deception, all through deception. And I
Speaker 1: absolutely believe that Mohammad had a supernatural encounter something that
Speaker 1: I do. I believe that the angel appeared to him,
Speaker 1: just like an angel appear to Joseph Smith, right that
Speaker 1: these you know, it's it's that was that level of
Speaker 1: power that led this to this level of fanaticism, right,
Speaker 1: because that's not going to happen without a spiritual a
Speaker 1: real spiritual presence operating. You're not going to see people
Speaker 1: are going to go die and you know, can blow
Speaker 1: themselves up and do things like that. They believe it
Speaker 1: about a spiritual influence. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: Beware the devil is an angel of light, you know,
Speaker 3: they it warns you in scripture and what's sad though
Speaker 3: about this deception. You know that you talked about it
Speaker 3: as a mirror image of Christ. The sad, the most
Speaker 3: saddening part of it is God's you know, original people,
Speaker 3: his original covenant that the Israelites you know not. You know,
Speaker 3: there's the exception. Like we talked about, there's always an exception,
Speaker 3: and in this case, the exception is the Messianic Jews.
Speaker 3: They see the full picture, but the majority of the Jews,
Speaker 3: they reject Christ. They're still waiting on this Messiah. So
Speaker 3: when this false Messiah shows up proclaiming to be God,
Speaker 3: performing signs and wonders, they're going to accept him with
Speaker 3: open arms because they're waiting and expecting him. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just sad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And many of them, you know, are and many
Speaker 1: of them are expecting too, right, because there are a
Speaker 1: lot of Jewish eschatology. You have Messiah Ben Joseph and
Speaker 1: Messiah Ben David. And the first comes as the more
Speaker 1: diplomatic Messiah who's using diplomacy and then dies. And then
Speaker 1: Messiah ben David is the conquering hero who takes over
Speaker 1: the whole land and restores the kingdom. And what I
Speaker 1: find fascinating about that scenario is to me, that kind
Speaker 1: of falls in line with the career of the anti
Speaker 1: Christ because you know, he will come into power and
Speaker 1: then die, right, he suffers a mortal wound that is healed.
Speaker 1: So what I question is, could that Revelation thirteen four
Speaker 1: that because that's the turning point in the career of
Speaker 1: the anti Christ when he says that he suffers the beast,
Speaker 1: suffers the mortal wound and was healed. He says, that's
Speaker 1: when the world says, who's like him? Who can make warth?
Speaker 1: And that's when it's like he's God, He's he is,
Speaker 1: this is God? And could that falls incorrect? Jewish eschatology
Speaker 1: be fulfilled by the anti Frith dying in coming back,
Speaker 1: and they interpret that as, oh, this must be the
Speaker 1: first one and now the second one's here because it's
Speaker 1: fulfilling our own eschatology. So the door is wide open
Speaker 1: because their hearts are closed right now to the Gospel.
Speaker 5: Then that's exactly what If you go into Romans ten
Speaker 5: and eleven, you know it's talking we're Hev and Paul
Speaker 5: talk about the Jewish people and then the Gentiles getting
Speaker 5: grafted in right, it says that some of the branches
Speaker 5: are prune and in order that the Gentiles come in.
Speaker 5: And he says that God actually closed the eyes and
Speaker 5: the ears of the Jewish people. And I truly believe,
Speaker 5: I truly believe this, and this is just my reading strictly,
Speaker 5: but I truly believe that what's gonna happen. And it
Speaker 5: talks about the remnant of Israel that will be there,
Speaker 5: the one hundred and forty four thousand, I believe, the
Speaker 5: twelve thousand from each tribe, the twelve thousand from each tribe,
Speaker 5: the hundred forty four thousand, the seal of God on
Speaker 5: their forehead. That God is going to use that remnant
Speaker 5: his people as the final push He's gonna bring them back.
Speaker 5: It says, how great will it be when they're grafted
Speaker 5: back in. I think He's gonna use that remnant as
Speaker 5: his last push to bring as many people to Heaven
Speaker 5: with him as he possibly can. And they are truly
Speaker 5: in the end, his people coming back. And that's a
Speaker 5: symbolic number, you know, one hundred and forty four thousand
Speaker 5: to twelve. This isn't I don't necessarily believe that truly
Speaker 5: is exact. Revelation is full of symbolic numbers especially, But
Speaker 5: I believe that's the rest of the Jews. The remaining
Speaker 5: Jews are gonna come back to God. They're gonna be
Speaker 5: grafted back in. God did not forget his covenant with them.
Speaker 5: It says that pretty plainly in Romans. But I think
Speaker 5: it's gonna be pretty amazing to see when that trickles
Speaker 5: down that God ultimately he closes their eyes and then
Speaker 5: he opens them at the right time to use them
Speaker 5: for his purpose.
Speaker 12: Well, yeah, with that, I mean, you have the one
Speaker 12: hundred and forty four thousand, but you also had the
Speaker 12: two witnesses right in Jerusalem that can that can I
Speaker 12: don't know, spitfire whatever that they says.
Speaker 6: You know, anybody tries to do them harm, you know,
Speaker 6: until they die.
Speaker 2: Eventually they will die.
Speaker 6: But I mean, and then you have the Angel going
Speaker 6: back and forth, you know, telling I mean, if that's
Speaker 6: not signs against the anti Christ, you know, and it's
Speaker 6: just amazing. It's like you can't say God's not good.
Speaker 6: He gives you chance and chance and chance and chants
Speaker 6: over and over and over.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and it's you know, I even with
Speaker 1: you know, my kids, I tell them all the time,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I forgive God forgives you a million
Speaker 1: times more than ninety. He's a million times more merciful
Speaker 1: than I am. So you know that that is nature.
Speaker 1: And that's such a great point that God will send
Speaker 1: an angel flying around the earth screaming to people to
Speaker 1: get he to get his children back home. And the
Speaker 1: thing too about that passage in Romans eleven, right, I
Speaker 1: think it also again tells us the tiny because it
Speaker 1: said that the blindness has come upon the Jews until
Speaker 1: the fullness of the gentiles. Right, So I think that
Speaker 1: again the church number is filled of all the believing
Speaker 1: Christians and all the Christian martyrs. There's a number. And
Speaker 1: then we're up, and then we're out of here. We
Speaker 1: go up. We're fulfilled. So now we go to heaven
Speaker 1: for the great sipulation and God can fully turn his
Speaker 1: face back to Israel, which is what we see again
Speaker 1: in God May God. And this is why I say, like,
Speaker 1: I think it's two wars being described, because you see
Speaker 1: in the Ezekiel thirty nine chapter description God said he
Speaker 1: specifically is he's going to turn his face back. They
Speaker 1: will no longer profane my name. It's like now they're
Speaker 1: gonna get it now, They're gonna start understanding me and
Speaker 1: acknowledge me, and it's the beginning of that reconciliation of
Speaker 1: the remnant. God's going to use that at the launch point.
Speaker 1: First they're going to turn to yahweh, and then they're
Speaker 1: going to return to your shoe up over the seven years.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So I think that passage also indicates the
Speaker 1: timing that again, it's pre trip that we got to go,
Speaker 1: and then God's full tension is on them and they
Speaker 1: are reconciled the remnant.
Speaker 8: That is stop giving me kills. Man, It's this is
Speaker 8: good stuff. I love it.
Speaker 5: Sure, I guess going just a little bit, just a
Speaker 5: little further, I really want to give just a and
Speaker 5: we can finish up on this.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean we could we literally, and I don't mean
Speaker 5: this as a joke. We could talk to you literally
Speaker 5: all night and just keep going, and I think all
Speaker 5: of us would be like, yeah, that's cool, let's go.
Speaker 5: But one thing I really want you to touch on,
Speaker 5: and you brought it up when we first talked about
Speaker 5: some of your projects coming up, is the technology, because
Speaker 5: this is such a big part of things, the AI
Speaker 5: stuff that we're seeing and it's to me, we've been
Speaker 5: this stuff has been We've been groomed for this.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: We look at the movies. We say, go back to Terminator. Right,
Speaker 5: that's the first one. You know, SkyWatch or not SkyWatch,
Speaker 5: sky Net not SkyWatch.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you have.
Speaker 5: Sky Net, you have that, and you have and you
Speaker 5: think about the like I Robot and and movies like
Speaker 5: this where I mean Elon Musk is making that stuff
Speaker 5: for reality.
Speaker 8: We're seeing that happening.
Speaker 10: Stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's amazing how this stuff is going though,
Speaker 5: and we're seeing the technology. We're we're getting groomed to
Speaker 5: accept these things, and on top of that, like it's
Speaker 5: dumbing us down because we're relying on those things to
Speaker 5: do so much more for us. So it's it's at
Speaker 5: the same time that this stuff is getting smarter and
Speaker 5: it's taking control over us, we are also kind of
Speaker 5: dumbing down and just letting you know. It's it's this
Speaker 5: is like the super calculator. Back in the day, you're like, no,
Speaker 5: you're not allowed to use calculator to do the math
Speaker 5: on your own, And now I can't do that because
Speaker 5: we have that, I mean phone numbers. Did you know
Speaker 5: when you were a kid, you know, you know a
Speaker 5: million and now I know like my wife's number, and
Speaker 5: that's like I don't even know if I know mine.
Speaker 8: You know, it's just.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 8: But you think technology has dumbed us down? But where
Speaker 8: are we right now? What is this? AI? What? What
Speaker 8: is what's what's going to come out of this?
Speaker 2: Do you think?
Speaker 1: I think it's the last step?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 1: So when you think about when you look at Revelation
Speaker 1: and what's being described of the events of Revelation from
Speaker 1: a technological standpoint, that's how I kind of measure where
Speaker 1: are we in the how close are we? I look
Speaker 1: at technology right and you know the mark of the
Speaker 1: beast right, which we took about all the time. We
Speaker 1: understand it, all that good stuff. I mean, we have
Speaker 1: to remember that was written in I believe ninety six
Speaker 1: a d. I believe when Revelation was written by John
Speaker 1: the Apostle, and he's writing in the first century that
Speaker 1: all commerce on earth is going to be controlled by
Speaker 1: a mark in your hand or in your forehead. Like
Speaker 1: how that makes absolutely no sense in the first century
Speaker 1: world where you can buy anything with anything. You can
Speaker 1: trade a cow for gold, you can trade milk for
Speaker 1: for fabric. Right, anything was any you could use, anything
Speaker 1: was fungible for commerce. And yet that's easy now right
Speaker 1: now we know that can happen. Right, there are any
Speaker 1: people who are chipped right now in Sweden going to
Speaker 1: work scanning in their jobs every day. Right, So that's
Speaker 1: all there. So the two witnesses, you know, Ben, you
Speaker 1: mentioned how they you know they until they know when
Speaker 1: they're killed by the anti Chris Right says, their bodies
Speaker 1: lay in the street for three and a half days
Speaker 1: and the world seized their bodies. Again, how could that
Speaker 1: be possible in the first century, even ten years ago,
Speaker 1: it really wasn't that possible. Now everybody's jumping on their
Speaker 1: phone and whatever, whether it's on Twitter or on Instagram
Speaker 1: on which they're gonna be live streaming the dead bodies
Speaker 1: that people dancing around their dead bodies all over the world.
Speaker 1: Right and so again, so now all these things are
Speaker 1: really achievable. But do we talk about AI. I think
Speaker 1: that's really the last step because when you look at
Speaker 1: the image of the beast, it's really fascinating to me
Speaker 1: and almost mind blowing that it says, like, right, the
Speaker 1: false profit gets the pe he causes the people to
Speaker 1: create this image, right, So it's something artificial is it
Speaker 1: is not born, it is created, right, and hearkens back
Speaker 1: to Aaron. Right, this is just like Aaron ten, Everyone
Speaker 1: give me your goald. I'm going to make a golden
Speaker 1: calf for you.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It's a repetition of that. And it says that it
Speaker 1: has life. It's a love so it's artificial and built,
Speaker 1: but it actually has life in it. And so I
Speaker 1: think that to me, AI is the last step to
Speaker 1: us usher to ushering in the Great Tribulation because to me,
Speaker 1: the image of the Beast is the fulfillment of Ai.
Speaker 1: And again it is that he's gonna be alive and
Speaker 1: know things right, It's gonna be first of all, demonstrates
Speaker 1: that the Antichrist again is in God, and I think he.
Speaker 1: I think he needs the image because he's going to
Speaker 1: be leading and governing and fighting wars, so he can't
Speaker 1: not being omnipresent. He needs something set up to be
Speaker 1: worshiped while he's out actually doing his job to take
Speaker 1: over the world. And and also it demonstrates that there's
Speaker 1: something that that that the image having that again I
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, knowing what everyone's thinking, right, worship is in
Speaker 1: your mind, it's in your heart, and it's going to
Speaker 1: know for every person in the world, who, of course
Speaker 1: is a part of the Beast system, not the tribulation,
Speaker 1: believers in the Remnant, whether you're worshiping or not. And
Speaker 1: that again, to me is like when you see each
Speaker 1: other about Elon Musk. Right, he just got approved, Right,
Speaker 1: he just approved, But they just approved human trials. You
Speaker 1: want to shot a video about this in Mormon And
Speaker 1: then you know who are they using it on. They're
Speaker 1: using it on uh, paralytics and the blind. So they're
Speaker 1: saying exactly exactly who can argue with that. He's literally
Speaker 1: going to give sight to the blind through neurallink. That's
Speaker 1: his goal. And so but it's you know, it's the
Speaker 1: stage is being set, the stage because if he if
Speaker 1: he has if we see a video of him on
Speaker 1: stage with someone who's born blind and now they're literally
Speaker 1: out there catching a football, that's it, right, the world,
Speaker 1: how can we how how would the world not fall
Speaker 1: in love with that technology and say this is the
Speaker 1: greatest thing I've seen in my lifetime. Right, And so,
Speaker 1: but what is it doing. It's literally accessing the mind
Speaker 1: and connecting it to a system and that, and I
Speaker 1: think that has to happen for that prop of the
Speaker 1: image of the beasts to be fulfilled, because it's not
Speaker 1: going to be through divine power. I think that the
Speaker 1: image of the beast is going to be connected literally
Speaker 1: to everyone takes the market so jack, to the Antichrist
Speaker 1: system through some type of link, maybe not from Illeha Musk,
Speaker 1: but a more advanced point eight point zero of the.
Speaker 3: Neuralnkvat there was a hook up to the hive mine
Speaker 3: and their their consciousness is hooked up to these robots,
Speaker 3: and therefore they live forever. I think that's exactly what
Speaker 3: Revelations is talking about when it says they will seek
Speaker 3: death and they will not find it.
Speaker 1: Imagine if it's a fallen angel right glowing a light,
Speaker 1: or an alien presenting themselves saying that's how much more
Speaker 1: powerful that message will be. If they're like, make this mark,
Speaker 1: it'll save you or give you immortality or something like.
Speaker 1: So it's you know, it's what's once the veil is removed,
Speaker 1: when we leave, it's all bets are all I mean,
Speaker 1: it's going to be everything we're seeing, you know, times
Speaker 1: of thousands, Like the world is going to be like
Speaker 1: a marble, like the Marvel universe, with supernatural beings us
Speaker 1: all over the place, flying around, interacting and deceiving people.
Speaker 3: A new golden made La Marzuli a new gold said.
Speaker 3: He thinks that the that when the rapture happens, it's
Speaker 3: gonna tell everybody either one of two things.
Speaker 4: It's either that, you.
Speaker 3: Know, hey, these guys already got their upgrade and now
Speaker 3: they're up at this new planet or wherever else, living
Speaker 3: a great life in paradise, and now we're just waiting
Speaker 3: for you guys to do the same, you know, Or
Speaker 3: now these guys were the weak link genetically, they were
Speaker 3: not ready for the upgrade, so they're gone and we're
Speaker 3: here to help you.
Speaker 4: Guys now.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly.
Speaker 5: I think it's that idea of that that golden age
Speaker 5: of the past coming back, you know. It's that trying
Speaker 5: to bring that golden age where you know, if we
Speaker 5: and I truly believe that was just pre flood, where
Speaker 5: you know, the the fallen angels would walk among people.
Speaker 5: Still there was you know, we had obviously the Nephilum,
Speaker 5: which was ultimately the reason for the flood. And I
Speaker 5: can't wait to read that children's book. But if when
Speaker 5: we see that that this is this is just a
Speaker 5: it's nothing new under the sun. This is resurfacing from
Speaker 5: those days, just as it says, like as in the
Speaker 5: days of Noah, and it's gonna come back. It might
Speaker 5: be presented slightly different. And I actually do believe your
Speaker 5: idea what you just said about the what happens if
Speaker 5: it's an alien, which is a fallen angel portraying itself,
Speaker 5: where it's more believable than saying it's a well, it
Speaker 5: might not say it's an angel. I might say I'm
Speaker 5: an extraterrestrial. We planted you here, we're your big brother,
Speaker 5: We're this exactly, and of course you're gonna believe them.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 5: And all those things that that all the problems that
Speaker 5: our world, you know, global warming, sorry I hate gotta
Speaker 5: do the air quotes, and all these other problems that
Speaker 5: the world is facing. Lazer no, but all the but
Speaker 5: all this stuff that these problems that the world keeps
Speaker 5: getting shown, you know, we the earthquakes and all this
Speaker 5: stuff that the Bible says, are you know that are
Speaker 5: going to keep getting worse, which they already have.
Speaker 8: We have documentation of this. It's there.
Speaker 5: Things are getting worse, But all of a sudden they
Speaker 5: come and say, hey, guess what, we can fix all that,
Speaker 5: and they do. Everybody's going to listen to them. People
Speaker 5: that have been i mean just staunch Christians their entire
Speaker 5: life are going to be like, I'm at that.
Speaker 4: That's what do you got to lose? Sure, yeah, save us.
Speaker 8: Your salvation, that's what you got to lose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah exactly. And you think about it too, how
Speaker 1: deep it goes. You know, there another disturbing Revelation passages
Speaker 1: where you know, you get through the trumpet judgments and
Speaker 1: you know, all these devastating things happened, and Revelation sixteen
Speaker 1: says that men still didn't repent. I mean wars, the locusts,
Speaker 1: the army of falling angels and horsemen. I mean, there
Speaker 1: might a third of the population is killed, and people
Speaker 1: still are refusing to repent. They're cursing God, and it says,
Speaker 1: and they wouldn't repent to their sorceries, right, So they're
Speaker 1: still worshiping the falling angelic round, right, So they're still
Speaker 1: worshiping it says, God of Wood. And so that's how
Speaker 1: deep seated it's going to be in people. The deception.
Speaker 1: And I think also too, if you think about it,
Speaker 1: you know, part of I think the reason for the
Speaker 1: evil in the days of Noah was that it was
Speaker 1: exhilar rate and by the fall, angelic genetics that were
Speaker 1: being put in human beings via the Nepheli that they
Speaker 1: were that was That's why he says, you know, man's
Speaker 1: thoughts were only evil continually, right, that's a powerful statement
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven. Evil. It's like even when you're like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're having dinner, even beautiful dinner in front,
Speaker 1: you're still thinking about doing that, you know, like nothing
Speaker 1: distracts you from evil. And I think that's we're gonna
Speaker 1: see a similar thing because people are gonna take on
Speaker 1: the anti Christ genetics through the Mark. And so that's
Speaker 1: why it's like they're so even in the face of
Speaker 1: all these supernatural judgments from God, there's still angry at God.
Speaker 1: They still will refuse to repent because again it's repeating
Speaker 1: what took place in the in the days of Nome.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be literal pandemic. You know, a lot of people,
Speaker 3: you know, you may or may not realize. You know,
Speaker 3: Paan was a Greek god, half god, half man with
Speaker 3: the horns, and he was a horning little god that
Speaker 3: bred with everything, animals, human, women alike. But so, but
Speaker 3: to say pain, you know, it's all you know, it's
Speaker 3: in all. Yeah, you know that that's the end goal.
Speaker 1: That's a very good point. Exactly.
Speaker 5: Well, Ryan, I think we can all say that we
Speaker 5: have greatly appreciated your time with us again as always.
Speaker 5: Would you like to go ahead and give a shout
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, yeah, so I appreciate that, yeah, so yeah.
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Speaker 5: Thank you so much again, man, this has been awesome
Speaker 5: as always, and I just always look forward after we
Speaker 5: get done talking to him already, like, hey, justin call
Speaker 5: him again. Let's let's see how soon he can come back.
Speaker 1: Cool. Thanks for having I appreciate it and just let
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Speaker 3: Thank you having, once again appreciate it. Brother, always a
Speaker 3: good conversation.
Speaker 1: Frue, I'm all right, just to see it through. Slow,
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