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Speaker 2: Scary Era Era is the Irish or Gaelic word for Ireland.

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Do you know much about this ancient bland? In recent times,

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its Irish culture has revolved around the likes of U two,

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genius types of William Butler, Yeats and James Joyce Spere,

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all world renowned. But it's a mystical place, this island,

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from its Druids to its Christianity, and also brutal, surviving

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famine and invasion after invasion, Vikings, Normans and the English

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who we've seen them all come, and we've seen them

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all off. Cheerio, your ancestors kept your names close as

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over the rugged seas they fled to week out a

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living or fight someone else's war. Paranormal means all the

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things that are impossible to explain by no natural forces

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or by science, and Ireland is steep and lower ghosts, blood, sweat, tears, sacrifice, hunger,

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desperation and charm. Oh and the paranormal. Welcome to Scary Era.

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Vulta is the Irish word for welcome, and you well

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and truly are Hello. My name is Mark Manning and

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I'm presenting Scary Era for all things Irish related, paranormal

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or ghostly. Before I say anything at all on this

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inaugural show, my thanks go out to David Irene and

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Mark for allowing me on the wonderful esteemed platform of

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Paranormal UK. Perhaps you're Irish or have Irish relatives, it

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doesn't really matter. There's nothing that exclusive about it, but

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it would be lovely. If you can't give us an

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Irish related paranormal story, don't be a stranger. You can

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and we can broadcast your story at a later date.

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What have the law of averages got to say about

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our first caller, because he hails appropriately enough from at

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this time of year, Skull in Southwest Cork. This is

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Mark McCarty relating a few paranormal tales.

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Speaker 3: What I wanted to do is just chat about an

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experience I had when I was in college. I went

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to college in Dunnary in nineteen ninety two ninety three.

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While I was there, I was lodging the house and

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the man who wanted the house his sister was a witch.

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Her name was Sandra ran down me. She was quite

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famous back then. But she offered to do a reading

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for me. And I was very skeptical about that, of course,

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as a kid, you know, so I kind of go ahead, sir, listen,

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what have I got to lose, you know? But anyways,

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she started telling me all these little things about my

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future and what it would be like for me, and

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things like that it would be all very good experiences.

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And then she said at the engine, and you know,

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you have a girl, a little girl, standing beside you

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right now. And I thought nothing of it. But she

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said something very interesting. She said it could be somebody

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from your past, your future, or your presence. And I

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thought nothing of it. Look, I was nineteen then, and

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a few years later, but four years later I was

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in Australia. I was with some friends and we were

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up in the up in Queensland, up in the Cairn

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and while we were walking back from the pub one night,

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an Aboriginal woman called me over. She was sitting on

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the side of the road and she said that I

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have a little girl standing beside me, and it absolutely

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freaked me out. It brought me back to that time

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when I was in that house in Dunleary, and I

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got such a shiver from it.

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Speaker 2: Mark, Mark. I think the thing is there's always an

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extra layer of scary when a child is involved. It's

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kind of very god yeah, very disconcerting because it's so

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wrong to have within that context and innocent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, very very odd. But that I told

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all the lads, and I was like telling a lot

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of people this, so none of them believe me. They

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are all just totally skeptical about it. But I tell

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you about about five years ago, six five or six

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grown up, not very sensible, but I'm all grown up.

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she was standing beside me, and I looked at her

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and all I heard was the conversation from this woman,

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Sandra about this little girl standing beside me. And I

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realized that that was actually my daughter standing beside me.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you know that, that's lovely. It's like it's like

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full circle, Mark, because in my mind and I didn't

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want to say it, I thought, you know, perhaps in

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your family there might have been a miscarry or something

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it's a very pleasant ending to something that could have

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and the Aboriginal woman was this future child who was

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standing beside me holding my hand in the shop, it

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was bizarre. It was just there was a few little

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details that both those ladies had said, and at second

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when I saw my daughter in the shop, it was like,

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that's exactly what they were talking about.

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Speaker 2: Like your moment, your revelation, and a happy.

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Speaker 3: Ending, a happy ending.

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Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, any more stories for us, Mark, before you go.

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Speaker 3: One little one, right. I had this when we were

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more now seventeen years ago. We lived in the soul

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the middle of nowhere, and there was a always something

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very odd about the house. It was a bit of

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a weird kind of vibe about the house.

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books on the bed, there's a little side bed, and

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that was always a bit odd. So you put the

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books back in there'll be nobody in the house like

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be another book open on the bed, or there'd be

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books off the shelf, which was always a bit strange.

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I heard somebody. I was upstairs and I heard somebody

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cleaning out the fire like the another way that sound

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poker and they're cleaning cold, that kind of grating sound.

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was already lighting the fire, so I went down. No,

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things like that would happen all the time in this house.

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coughing upstairs, like a cough. And you'd always hear noises

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no old houses making plenty of weird noises. But we

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had a cat, a black cat, and sometimes that cat

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would just stand and stare in the door, at the

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doorway between the little library and the and the sitting room,

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and it would move its head every now and again

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as if it was following something. So true, I have

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and I will telling her about the house and She's like,

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did you meet the ghosts? And I was like, what

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do you mean what? We used to live there, she said,

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but we moved out because we couldn't handle it because

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there was a ghost in there.

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that was built on. Could be Yeah, I heard the

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exact same thing earlier this year. I visited an area

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of Kilmainham at late at night and it stuck with

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me because there used to be an old what do

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an old old people's home. Locals and Dublin eight would

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know where I'm talking about. And as a young salesman

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what you know, you knocking doors and stuff, and I

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found myself in this austere corridor and at one point

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a bell went and suddenly it was like it was

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like out a thriller. Out of nowhere is walking dead,

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and that there were old people, that's all you know.

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years ago, but anyway, I'm going around in circles. The

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thing was, we did a bit of research and people

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were saying the exact same thing as you, that apartments

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had subsequently been built on that land. I think at

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one point as well, it was you can fix me

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on this one. What's the word where people go to die?

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but there were apartments on it, and people were talking

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about books being moved and fights breaking out because one

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be sharing apartments and stuff. So it does go on.

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find somebody willing to talk about it. But there's an

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old asylum in Cork, in the city that had been

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that a lot of those people weren't insane in the

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first place. Absolutely they were in the way right, we

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putting people away, even like if for the wintertime, and

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then they'd release them again, so they became institutionalized. It

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sent to the big House. You'll be sent to the

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big House. So many as the sane person went in there,

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and if they didn't acclimatize to it, they went mad.

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harvest and stuff. But yeah, we have we have sanatoriums

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because of the TB epidemic those so God knows what

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rattles around in them in the wee small hours of

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the Morning's mark from wend Cork. It's been a pleasure.

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I hope we do it again. Wasn't he a lovely boy?

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ProtonMail dot com. Okay, you've made it this far on

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scary era, so let me relate my own story to

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you as to why I've created this. In the early

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nineteen seventies or so, I was I don't know, eight

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years of age, and my father was an army officer

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in the Irish Defense Forces and we lived in a

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place called calbrew Of Barracks. It was formerly known as

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Portobello Barracks. It was occupied by the British for one

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hundred and twelve years. Indeed, the building that I was

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in the Irish hero Michael Collins, you might remember the

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Hollywood movie about him. He had an office in it,

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but it wasn't the big fella I woke up to

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one morning when I was about eight years of age.

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I can still see her. She wasn't menacing in the

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least definitely someone from another era, very serene, long dark

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hair and a blue cloak. I can tell you, folks,

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the hair does stand up on your head. And I

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gingerly retreated under the covers. And of course I was

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told to eat my corn flakes the next morning and

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to go to school. Nobody wanted to know, but that

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has stuck with me, and I'm sixty one years of age.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: That's why I keep an open mind on all things paranormal.

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barracks in eighteen seventy three and a lady was up

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on a charge, but she got off and Anne Winford Marshall,

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she was suspected of the murder of Gunner Donaldson. He

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was found poisoned, slumped across the bed in an apartment.

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She went to trial and despite the evidence being loaded

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against her, she was found not guilty. I don't believe

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in hauntings. I just think it's under certain conditions that

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events are replayed, perhaps where a lot of trauma was involved.

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as the records went back with the British in nineteen

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twenty two. I think they may be in Q Gardens

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in London. Well, I went home this week and visited

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the curator of corlbrew Of Barracks, Noel MacDonald. We conducted

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our chat right by the main gate in the old

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guard room. You'll hear about summary execution, landmarks and ghostly

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going on. I'm here with Noel McDonald in corlbrew of Barracks,

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Mark and Noel, and this sounds probably a bit smallsy

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and over dramatic, but it's good to be home because

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I said to you, I spent twenty four years of

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my life here. Doesn't matter where I go in the world,

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I always think of Corl Brewer Barracks formerly Portobello Barracks,

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because of an incident that happened to me here, which

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is the only reason the Scary Era podcast was born.

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When I came across you in twenty nineteen, you had

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a Halloween type thing, which is appropriate we're in the

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month of October. But you had your outfit on, your

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skeleton outfit. But as you spoke in this very room,

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which is the old guard room of Corl Brewer Barracks,

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I could tell how pasionate you were about the place.

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I know you organized tours in here. What's your exact

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position within the defense forces? And relating to Carl.

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Speaker 4: Brewer Well, I joined the army in nineteen eighty eight.

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I've done recruit trying them up and down Dock. I

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came straight down to the second Itttalian which is based

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in Cattleboro Barricks, formerly part of Below Barracks, and I

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was involved up in the gym so I was used

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to do all the gymnastics displays. I used to do

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all the big competitions the military Pentatleon and used to

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go abroad, so that was all very good. And then

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I got into being a barber. I went back to college,

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so I have the barbershop now, which is at the

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back of the depot where I used to live. And

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then I got into a fascination with the history of

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the barracks. It didn't become me jobs straight away, but

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then over time I was asked, well, why don't we

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open a visitor center museum, So I said, yeah, I

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could be part of that. I could really give a

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hand with that. And then I went and done a

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couple of courses, curator course and stuff like that, and

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eventually then I took over this in two thou and

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ten and I'm here ever since. Now it's not a

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pay job. It's a voluntary job, like everything on a

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soldier force. So I have to do all my military stuff.

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Still I do that, but it's becoming more of me

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job now. So I run the barbershop and I run

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the museum. So if anybody wants to tour, they're going

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to touch at me. I'll create a tour for them,

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and then i'll measure up to that.

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Speaker 2: Is there an email address or how did they content?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well you can contact me. You can ring the

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barracks here and they'll put you onto me straight away,

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and I can gladly give up the phone numb. There's

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no problem. You want to ring me and then our

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email and then I'll create a tour for them, and

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no problem. And it's done so open there that we

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it's for groups from five people, but roughly then we

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have people a bill fifteen to twenty people coming in.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's just set the scene. First of all, I

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don't know, I really don't know acres or anything. Do

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you know much acres as bart?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well it used to be fifty four acres. Now

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it's down to forty.

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Speaker 2: Six Eggre right, So obviously it was a British army established.

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First of all, it was Portobello Barracks up until I

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think the fifties when they called it after the arch

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patriot Carl Brew. There was a battle as well here

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it's not related, but a battle of racked mines in

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sixteen forty nine I think between the Royalist and Parlementitarians.

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And there are fields around here known as the Bloody Fingers.

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In terms of an operational barracks for the British, I

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think they were here over one hundred years, so there

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would be a lot of regiments come through here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, this is this is really a train in

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barracks and you can see back in the old photographs

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that when you look them up you'll always see the

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lads training and it was like a tented villages as well,

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so he had so many people here at the time.

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It was like a statement. Fifty four acres is a

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huge plan and it's prime in the central Dublin. So

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this is where people used to come in, do the

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training and then leave from here go to the wars.

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Speaker 2: Or go whatever else talk to me because we're in

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Halloween at the moment. In relation to paranormally type things

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that might happen here.

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Speaker 4: Well, I have friends now see, I'm in the barracks

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here at a long time and here since nineteen eighty eight,

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so it's thirty six years now I'm here, and from

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talking to the lads that were here before me and

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now talking to the lads that here. I was on

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one lad that was on talking to me yesterday and

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I was saying that I had Mark coming in and

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I was I was saying, where, well I bring the

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most thinking to bringing to a couple of different places

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that I would have heard of that was guaranteed that

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the lad sort was talking to were straight up guys,

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and they're not going to say things saying.

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Speaker 2: Squadies, and they were the things in our minds.

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Speaker 4: It is a coming up telling me that it's one

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hundred percent that people walking across the floors at night

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time they're seeing things that lights go off on and

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off shouldn't be going on and off. Other things I've

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heard myself. I've heard people talking in this very room

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that we're in the garden beyond the guardroom.

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Speaker 2: So it is.

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Speaker 4: It is a creepy, creepy place, but not creepy in

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a bad way. It's creepy. And had a group in

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their oilgot They were mediums, they're trying to be mediums,

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and they came in and they just buzzed around the place.

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They thought it was just open to everything.

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Speaker 2: I would have no belieth in it at all, but

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I kept an open mind because of what happened to

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me here where I saw an apparition as a child

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when I grew up here. But I think more so

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than haunting, I just think it could be atmospheric noises.

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You know, this place here could be almost as for

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a lot of energy. But the guard room people get

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locked up in here for being on the batter or whatever,

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for fighting, and so I think conditions can be played back,

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conditions of trauma or explanation if that's a word of energy,

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et cetera. So i'd say it have a field day

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or of those mediums. If they set up what's known

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as EVPs. You know the recordings. I'm sure there'd been

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many nights you'd hear nothing, but at some point you would.

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If my father was commanding officer of here on and

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off I mean his heart was with the defense forces.

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He loved it heast forty years.

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Speaker 4: Then it becomes a family. It's a family.

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Speaker 2: So a couple of things as well. The first balloon

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took off from here across the Irish Sea. That was

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I think eighteen seventeen.

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Speaker 4: When William Wyndham Saddler. He was the man and it

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was it wasn't that good. What happened was the job

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was good. Well. He done to raise money and he

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was going to sell tickets for everybody to come into

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the barracks, but nobody came into the verdicts and they

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watched them for free. So bombed a bond. Money money

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was or it was a success. They made it over

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to England. It was the first ever balloon rood over

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the sea.

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Speaker 2: So you've done very well the depot. What has been

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reported to you.

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Speaker 4: I don't hear anything bad about the hauntings or anything

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like that. What I do here is that the lads

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when they're staying there and to be early sergeant, they'll

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be there to mind the building that night, make sure

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they're up early in the morning to hand out the weapons.

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That the lads everything is okay. But they've bed telling

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me that they'll be. They'd be sitting in the room

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and there's people walking up overhead, banging doors and up

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the stairs. Myself was a witness that I was going

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up the backstairs. They'd be the Michael Collins stay and

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nobody uses yeah. So, and I was going up there.

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I had to meet the see you there at the time.

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And when I was going up the stairs to meet

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he was handing at the top, and there was somebody

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in the middle between us that wasn't there, and somebody

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whisking away, and the two of us looked at each

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other as if this was three feet away from the

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boat of us, and we couldn't believe it. This was

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just now. We started laughing the off an.

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Speaker 2: We ran for help, and we.

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Speaker 4: Always heard it was later on. It was only later

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on the head that Michael Collins was known as the

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whistler so, and it was it was all about Michael

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Collins there, what I was going up to.

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Speaker 2: He would have been General Michael Collins so at the time.

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But he wasn't actually here that long.

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Speaker 4: No, he's only here for a few months.

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Speaker 2: But he lived here in the bar, he did, and

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that in a couple of yards from where we are

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that's true. Were people sniping at that at once?

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Speaker 4: That's right, because were getting in, they were coming.

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Speaker 2: To Republicans would have been chooting at them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but they were coming in. You could only come

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in with handguns because you were coming through the army

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accommodation and you went a little guns in accommodation. That's

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just a no. Not So you're coming in through the

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army house dressed as army soldiers pistols. They jump up

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onto the wall beside the house and they were forwarding

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in and just cliff sign of how we tried to

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get rid of that. So we blocked up a window there.

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They blocked up just to make sure that no bullets

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went down through the staircase.

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Speaker 2: And introduce. Were you looking well for what is it

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thirty six years? If six?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I listened the one thing that marked that I

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do here. I'm a passion for all I do. And

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I think if you have a job that you have

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a passion for, totally enjoyful. In the day, I enjoy

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meeting people. As I said, fifty odd people yesterday came

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in here to do the tour. The way they went

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on about it after, I just knew that I cut horse.

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I cut them because you spartled them. Yeah, that's exactly

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what it is. And it's not because I cot paid,

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Because look at pay for this.

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Speaker 2: It's fallunt.

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Speaker 5: You might ask, what ag I'm fifty five that Jesus

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guys like only six years older than you, and you

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you if you're a way perfect Look at Jerry, you've

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run on every day or yeah, no, you have to exercise.

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Speaker 4: The army is all built iron and how you do,

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how you stand, and how you portray it. Course, so

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I come in here like every morning even now to today.

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Miss slackskare armed. Miss shoes get polished.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's just crafty. That's my father used to

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say to me. We'll have to talk about some of

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the characters in this barracks. There was a notorious triple murder.

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Well it was an execution. So what did captain, the

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notorious Captain Bowen Coulthurst do.

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Speaker 4: Well, you see, I went back and went back in

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the day that really would have to go a little

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bit deeper because he was involved in the ball wall

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and they got a section of men and he led

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them into a skirmish where they should have been and

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they got whipped out and he went back to the

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officers mess over there, and he got a terrible time

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after the other officers because losing losing one man bad thing,

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but losing a section of ten men, that's that's just

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a nomo. But a couple of months later he got

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another section to look after and make sure everything was okay,

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and as a captain, you should know your business, and

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the senior captain back then nobody. He didn't take no

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for an answer, so to get another section of men,

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and he was told you'd be very careful with this.

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But he got another section, led them into a skirmish

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where they shouldn't have been and they got whipped in.

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Speaker 2: So it's just an army baronie reckless.

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Speaker 4: Well, if you think about that now, a good officer

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in the army will will lead the men in. But

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he didn't get hurt, you know, So if you think

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about it that way, you go in there, he'll stand

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on the outside, which is not really the dunb thing,

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but that's the way it was. Now. He didn't go

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back to the officersmith. He went to the doctor and

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he told me he didn't feel well over this, that

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this shook him. And back then, if you had mental

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health problems, they sent they record you and that was it. Now,

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in nineteen sixteen, World War One was on and all

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the able bodied soldiers and officers were sent over to

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00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:18,480
the frontline Belgium, France. So what he had here were

475
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,640
people who were after being shot. Are people who were

476
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,000
brought back in because of mental health problems. But we

477
00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:24,839
were brought back in to mind the boxes here because

478
00:22:24,839 --> 00:22:26,799
there was nobody to mind the barns, so they were

479
00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:29,079
brought back in. Please don't realize that. So he was

480
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,599
one of them that came back in and all was

481
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,559
good for a period of time, and he was back

482
00:22:32,599 --> 00:22:35,359
in the uniform and he felt good. But then when

483
00:22:35,519 --> 00:22:38,680
the rebellions started, the bombs and bullstart going off, they

484
00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:41,519
started to really kick up in these minds. So we

485
00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:44,359
started to see things now. It just so happened that

486
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,039
the night before that Skeffington, Francis she Skeffland was taken

487
00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:49,799
off the road because he was trying to hold a

488
00:22:49,839 --> 00:22:52,119
meeting down Hardcourt Street and he was coming up towards

489
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,720
the Huntback Bridge, a group of lads behind him just

490
00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:57,119
talking to him. But the young leftenant that was on

491
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,119
the bridge that they were going to take over his position. Now,

492
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,160
when they sent his the officer officer, when he sent

493
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,200
his men out to get them, the young lads ran off.

494
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:06,480
Skeffington was on his own.

495
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,759
Speaker 2: Was as pacifist, passive, he wasn't into war.

496
00:23:09,839 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 4: Wh yeah, absolutely, But they brought him up and they

497
00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:14,079
put him into the cell.

498
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 2: Wait, but this, by the way, for those things we're

499
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,279
we're speaking with him feet of this and the place

500
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:20,960
hasn't changed.

501
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 4: You're right into the cells. You're right in here.

502
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 2: Two other guys got taken with him as well, and

503
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,440
I think that was the next identified.

504
00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 4: That was the next morning.

505
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 2: They were actually union supporters.

506
00:23:28,759 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 4: Well, i'll tell you what happened the next morning. I

507
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,839
think a bond cultures took over the duty and he

508
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,480
got the two of them out. He got started a

509
00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:37,599
bigger pardon. He got caught a Skeffton l the cell

510
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,799
and he says, I know you you right against us

511
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,039
because he was he was a journalist. And he says no,

512
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,880
he says, I'm a pacifist, I'm not into it. So

513
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,000
he said, I don't know what to do. What you do,

514
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,559
there's two snipers down the road there, just over the

515
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,839
hump back bridge, and it was on the corner and

516
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,160
just one hundred yards when you go over the Humpback

517
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,640
bridge from that, minds, so you're going to.

518
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 2: Hotel on the canal.

519
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,839
Speaker 4: Yes, no, no, no, no no. When you go over

520
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,400
on the yes, just over the hump back bridge on

521
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,200
the canal you go towards town. I think his Handling

522
00:24:02,319 --> 00:24:05,279
Road is on the left hand square, and then Harcourt

523
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,240
Street is on the right right. On the corner there

524
00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:10,920
was Kelly's Tobacconist. I think it's called Hardcourt Health now, yes,

525
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:13,039
but next door to that was a coffee shop. Now

526
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,160
in his mind it was two snipers and there he

527
00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:17,200
went down. He opened the door and he threw in

528
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,000
the grenade blew the shop that one man Didentally, another

529
00:24:20,079 --> 00:24:23,279
man came crawling out, the councilor Richard O'Carroll was his name,

530
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,440
Very prominent, very prominent man. He shot him in the stomach.

531
00:24:26,519 --> 00:24:29,400
He's screaming the pain. At the same time, next door

532
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,519
to the back of the shop opened up and two

533
00:24:31,599 --> 00:24:34,000
men came over there with the explosion. Next door he

534
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,599
grabbed them too, and he said, you two are involved

535
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,440
in this. But missied Dixon and mister McIntyre that was

536
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,759
their two names. He got them up and he collected

537
00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:43,880
Skeffington on the way back up, because he left him

538
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,920
on the bridge just case thatting happened to them. He

539
00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:48,000
was left there to be shot. But he collected three

540
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,640
of them and brought him back up here the part

541
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,440
of Bellow Barracks and he put them into number one

542
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,640
cell right where we are now, and he put them

543
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,039
in there. The next morning he was told to let

544
00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:58,319
them go, but he came in and he was told

545
00:24:58,319 --> 00:25:00,240
to letting go with helly commander. He came in here

546
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,519
and he says, I'm not to be told to let

547
00:25:01,599 --> 00:25:03,519
them go, but I don't want to. He says, we're

548
00:25:03,519 --> 00:25:05,039
going to bring them out to the yard behind the

549
00:25:05,079 --> 00:25:07,720
guard room. We're going to execute them. And that's exactly

550
00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:08,240
what they're done.

551
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,759
Speaker 2: And he was in charge at the barracks at the

552
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:14,279
time because he's a good guy and is a bad guy.

553
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,039
And the good guy was the officer I think who's

554
00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:21,720
in commanding officer? Was it Major Sir Francis Vane.

555
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,319
Speaker 4: He was a major commment. He wasn't the CEO. When

556
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,319
he had heard what had happened, he said, this can't

557
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,880
be happening. This is absolutely outrageous. This is only a

558
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,160
few weeks after he went to the Brittany commander and

559
00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:36,119
he pleaded, room, you're going to have to do something here.

560
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,480
He's after Mordern three men, he's after burying them in

561
00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:40,400
the schellow grave and the barracks. Here, we have to

562
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,640
do something here. His wife has after going over to

563
00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:45,400
London and she's in the High Commission in London. She's

564
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,720
screaming because she wants a court martial. We have to

565
00:25:47,799 --> 00:25:51,160
do something here. He said, okay, and that's when that happened.

566
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,759
That's when they said, okay, look, we have to make

567
00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:55,759
this happen. And then it went to a court martial

568
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:56,880
and he was found guilty.

569
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 2: Now insane gids guilty.

570
00:25:59,839 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 4: One saying because he said that he wasn't saying because

571
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,640
what happened to him all from the ball of course.

572
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, now what happens dramatic that man.

573
00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 4: In Major Commlan, thein, he got let go down as well,

574
00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:12,680
he got let go of the army because he told

575
00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:14,759
I'm a fellow officer and for the rest of his

576
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,400
life he pleaded his in described.

577
00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 2: That very well, because I was saying to myself, it's

578
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,880
just because the Brits couldn't stand what was going on

579
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,680
because the General Maxwell I think he reported to, and

580
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,680
General Maxwell was quoted as I think said that I

581
00:26:28,839 --> 00:26:31,599
probably deserved it or something like that, but you just

582
00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:33,920
couched it very nice. So that's what it was. It

583
00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:37,400
was the fellow officer thing reporting on more so than

584
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,359
the actual moral swings and rounds about of it. That's

585
00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:44,880
very interesting. Coulthurst ended up in broad More, yes, prison.

586
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,960
But the last I believe that was heard of man,

587
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,880
I think it dates from a documentary I saw in

588
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,480
the seventies he went to Canada.

589
00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:52,079
Speaker 4: Who went to Canada, lived the rest of his work

590
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,359
and I think he won an election out there or something. Okay,

591
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,359
but he poloitician was an incredible way of being like

592
00:26:58,519 --> 00:27:02,480
he had an upper sense that he was entitled to

593
00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:05,119
what he got when he came from money he did.

594
00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:08,319
Speaker 2: I think that there's a castle down there now, is

595
00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:10,960
a Killarney or a band. That's right. His people were

596
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,839
from from there. So if we go straight out the

597
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,880
door here of the guardroom and we continue going down straight,

598
00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:21,480
we will hit the depot that we've been speaking about.

599
00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:25,000
There is footage on YouTube just put in Michael Collins

600
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,720
in uniform pathay, and you see him and in what

601
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,519
was our garden. I wish there was a lip reader

602
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:33,519
out there because it's totally in silence that leads onto

603
00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:34,039
a field.

604
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:35,599
Speaker 4: Yes, listens to.

605
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 2: That was the house that will Kay had and Black

606
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,759
and Pans had that we'll talk about them as well.

607
00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:43,240
They had it as a bit of a HQ where

608
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,279
they had it as a as a as a place.

609
00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:48,720
At one point just beyond that is Rathmand's church with

610
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:52,240
a distinctive dome dough that Win then fired at one

611
00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:56,480
point as well. And our acquaintance Bowen Cultures, he's sumarily

612
00:27:56,559 --> 00:28:00,279
executed a young fellow that's a teenager called cod I

613
00:28:00,319 --> 00:28:03,079
think that's what it called out there before the execution

614
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,240
of the of the gentleman we just spoke about when

615
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:05,960
he brought.

616
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,599
Speaker 4: When he was bringing Skeffington down the road, those two

617
00:28:08,759 --> 00:28:11,440
lads stepped out to ask where they were gone, and

618
00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:14,000
it was Bone called host said martial laws only have

619
00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:16,480
to be announced. You two shouldn't be on the street.

620
00:28:16,839 --> 00:28:19,799
He took it out his revolver now a Mouser revolver.

621
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:21,599
Speaker 2: Which very need German think, yeah, yeah.

622
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 4: And he took it out and shot Cody dead. His

623
00:28:24,839 --> 00:28:26,960
friend that was there, Ram He was trying to show

624
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:29,480
him as he ran, but he missed him. And that's

625
00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:32,559
where we got how we found where he shot the

626
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,279
three men because there was a bullet left in the wall,

627
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,240
and when we took it out, it was a mouser bullets.

628
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: Apparently, this is how callousy was. When Cody was questioning,

629
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,000
he says, well, what are you doing here? He said,

630
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,079
I'm here for my sidelity. And sidelity is that kind

631
00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:50,519
of was a religious occasion or something you attended weekly,

632
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,359
and he shot him in the head and with the

633
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,119
words take that far sideality. Wow. So as they go

634
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:57,680
straight down, there used to be an AMMO dump on

635
00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:00,160
the right. It's gone, that's gone. There was the the

636
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,599
Comm's house, the two red houses down at the end.

637
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,599
They're the priests now the priest houses, are they? They'd

638
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,440
be chaplains now and the the aid to come to

639
00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:13,119
President devil Air and probably a few more was Tom McNamara.

640
00:29:13,599 --> 00:29:15,799
You'd see him on all the old nineteen sixties, nineteen

641
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:18,880
you know, when Kennedy was here, you'd see Tom McNamara

642
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,039
in the background. You're right, there was there was two

643
00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:23,759
priests that I knew of in those houses as well.

644
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:27,759
One was father Breslan, lovely man the breads, Yeah, the

645
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:29,720
breadth I forgot that. I think he might have been

646
00:29:29,759 --> 00:29:31,440
in the leb as well, or Lebanon as well. At

647
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,680
one point President was a nut right, he looked like

648
00:29:35,799 --> 00:29:39,599
Tom Tommy Cooper. There was another priest out called McCabe

649
00:29:39,839 --> 00:29:43,559
before him, real gentleman. This was a cavalry barracks as well.

650
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,839
So they were old stables you were sharing with me.

651
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:48,519
Are old tunnels there?

652
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:49,119
Speaker 3: Or there was?

653
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 6: Yea?

654
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: And they never never appeared on any maps. That's what

655
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:52,119
I would say to you.

656
00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 4: Foulnd tunnel and split in two. So when you went

657
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,319
into the tunnel, if you went to the left, it

658
00:29:57,519 --> 00:30:00,160
went right down on the canal, and then if you

659
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,519
went to the right, that will bring you halfway across

660
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,799
listen Field, heading towards the church, the Dawn Church. So

661
00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:08,920
we only got halfway across that nobody nobody else went

662
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,160
any further. So I think it may collapsed.

663
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,079
Speaker 2: We cannot mention this place without mentioning the notorious black

664
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:16,440
and Tans who were there.

665
00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:19,319
Speaker 4: Well, the black and Tans came in and be honest

666
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,000
Churchill order, Yes, but you see what happened. What happened

667
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:25,240
here with them was now half the two houses where

668
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:27,039
they used to stay here, so they'd be up at

669
00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:29,119
the back of the officers mess that's where they used

670
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:29,359
to comme in.

671
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,599
Speaker 2: Know, these guys were bastards.

672
00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well they were. They came in to do

673
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,000
They came in to do the dorty, the Dorty walk.

674
00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:41,799
Now look, yeah, I was looking at a couple of

675
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:45,000
them and pat the news and they were interviewing them,

676
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,000
and amazing, what was in their mind everything that they

677
00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:50,279
were doing. They were doing the writing. They had it

678
00:30:50,359 --> 00:30:51,920
in their mind that this was the writing to do,

679
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:54,359
and that may came down from upper.

680
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: Course to be sure that you have to you have

681
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:57,599
to do this.

682
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 4: This is some portant. So they were doing the dirty woman.

683
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,880
Do you do the interrogation here? And we still have

684
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,319
the interrogating places where they used to do it. He

685
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,680
had a hanging house, but just interrogation. So it was

686
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,839
interrogation through strangulation. So what he would do was drop

687
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,079
a rope down, toy it around your neck. You'll be

688
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,240
toied to a chair and they would hoist you up.

689
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:21,039
So they were strangling three Spanish. Incredible and then inquisition,

690
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,480
and in this place where they used to do this,

691
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:25,599
the hanging house, that's what we call it. What do

692
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:27,799
you used to do? Was that the people come in

693
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,880
and walk down the next day in there in the

694
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,920
right side, on the left side of it. Only when

695
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,799
I joined, the people used to come in to be

696
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:36,720
walking slightly on one ladder me and he's telling me,

697
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:39,279
only there recently. He was telling me, Oh my god,

698
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,599
he says, the footsteps that you used to run through

699
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,880
that place, and the screaming and the roar. When he

700
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,720
was there on his own, he'd say, yeah, enough of this.

701
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,559
He'd lock up and go home, because you're started to

702
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:50,680
get louder and louder. But this was this is common practice,

703
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:51,599
common practice.

704
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,799
Speaker 2: These guys were called black and Tans for those of

705
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,079
you who don't know, because they were kind of coupled

706
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,400
together in a uniform.

707
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:00,759
Speaker 6: But they had got the uniform.

708
00:32:01,079 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 4: They hadn't got the uniform, so they got a bit

709
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,720
about uniforms and through them allyone known as the black

710
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,599
and Dandy, the whole of art. But you see, it

711
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,079
was good to see because you saw the black and

712
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,480
tan coming overall because you knew boys, you're yeah, so

713
00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:14,240
that was a good thing when if you hadn't been

714
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:15,359
dressed like everybody else.

715
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:19,279
Speaker 2: Were they all a mixture of officers or something to auxiliaries?

716
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,079
The auxiliaries were.

717
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,559
Speaker 4: They were worse black, yes, but they were worse than

718
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,920
the black and town they were. No, they destroyed they did.

719
00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:29,039
Speaker 2: Really it was worse.

720
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, then again, how can you get the horse? Okay,

721
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,000
well it's worse, you know, because the children were killer No.

722
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: Of course, they were laws onto themselves essentially, because as

723
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,200
you can see, when Colthurst was taken to task, it

724
00:32:41,319 --> 00:32:44,440
was all covered up by the powers that be. As

725
00:32:44,519 --> 00:32:46,599
you go up, you're hitting to the you go to

726
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,519
the Garrison churches. Now the Patrick's guy say, Patrick's when

727
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:51,680
does that date? For a roughly?

728
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:53,559
Speaker 4: You know, that was one of the first buildings that

729
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,039
was built in the boxes. Yeah, so you're talking about

730
00:32:56,119 --> 00:33:00,400
eighteen fifteen to eighteen eighteen twenty. And you see, if

731
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,519
you think about it, it was all done religion. Everything

732
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:03,119
was religious.

733
00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:04,279
Speaker 2: So it's short of or in the church.

734
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:06,799
Speaker 4: That's what makes it special because the after changing off

735
00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:08,599
to a Catholic church and that's what it is now.

736
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:11,079
Speaker 2: There's a bit of paranormal around that as well. Isn't it.

737
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:13,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, well you see and if you look at the church,

738
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,759
you're standing out to the church, you're looking at it.

739
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,960
And the roy hands is number two guard room, so

740
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:19,920
that goes onto the canal, so you can entrance at

741
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,200
the canal there, so if anybody's roving along the canal,

742
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:24,119
you can look into the bark stair. But that was

743
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,359
number two guard room and that's where the Black and

744
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,440
Tans used to do the Dorty walk.

745
00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:30,319
Speaker 2: That's right. You found a bullet on the wall, didn't

746
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,519
and your market all right, do you have it on video? Yeah,

747
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,119
that's not on video. Very bad phone at the time,

748
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,319
but but yeah, I do when I hear your adults

749
00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:43,799
at tones and to do my research. As you move

750
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,519
up then again they towards the mess, the main officers mess,

751
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,799
but up the top corner of the barracks. I think

752
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:52,519
that might have been a priest's house as well. But

753
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:56,559
now it didn't have and it's an exaggeration to say

754
00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:58,599
a moat around it, but it did have a kind

755
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,759
of a brain right the way around that that.

756
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,039
Speaker 4: Was the quarter Master General's house. That's where the tunnel

757
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,200
that goes to group of barracks. That's where it's up

758
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,239
the collapsing in around there. That's where they collapsed. Before

759
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,239
you get into that corner. If you back up a

760
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,400
small bit, you'll have the old school house. Yes, on

761
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:18,039
the left hand side the church was the old schoolhouse.

762
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,800
Just beside that. What we'll have to find them was

763
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,119
an execution one. All the bullet holes are all still

764
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,920
Martin Martini Henry's.

765
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 2: This was an old rifle.

766
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 4: Yes, Now you'll see this being used if you've ever

767
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:34,320
seen the film Zulu.

768
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:35,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, Michael came.

769
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 4: Okay, and you'll see them for And the one thing

770
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,079
that you notice was that a plume of smoke came out.

771
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:43,159
You see that.

772
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: Brilliant.

773
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 4: Now they got rid of them and they got three

774
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,480
of trees in and that's what they used back then.

775
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:51,719
And what happened was that we took the bullets and

776
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,840
when we looked at the bulls, Martini Henry and the

777
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,920
only people who had the Martini Henry with the black

778
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:56,280
and hands.

779
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,559
Speaker 2: Really they were the bones. But surely they were an

780
00:34:58,599 --> 00:34:59,119
older weapon.

781
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 4: Why would they because they had no weapons to give

782
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,199
them when they would.

783
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,039
Speaker 2: You imagine, these are the guys that want to do

784
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:05,960
the business and give them the best like the assets,

785
00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:07,079
give them the best weapons.

786
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,599
Speaker 4: They only got uniforms, did nothing for them, so they

787
00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:12,920
gave them all weapons that were there. Martine.

788
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: Have you heard any happening in that house, in that

789
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:18,719
house that's at the corner one that Sarsfield.

790
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 4: Yes, we had a person here only doing a tour,

791
00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:23,639
gone back a month ago. Yes, And I was bringing

792
00:35:23,679 --> 00:35:25,800
them in. They said, oh my god, the memories in here,

793
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:30,719
like really really vivid memories of strange things kind of

794
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:31,519
you know what.

795
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:34,039
Speaker 2: We're going to tell you this. No, right, I've got

796
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:37,639
one to add for you here. I did. I presented

797
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:43,239
a TV program. It's now long defunct Channel City Channel Television,

798
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:45,320
and it was to do with the environment and all that.

799
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,079
I got to know this guy. I was interviewing him,

800
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:49,480
like I am you. We got talking about our childhood

801
00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:51,440
and I said I was an army drap. He said,

802
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,000
so was I. Where were you? And I said brow

803
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:54,639
He said so was I. I was up in that

804
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,480
house in the course. I said, that's Quinnan's old house

805
00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:00,239
or something, who featured in the film Jaded Ville, by

806
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,280
the way, And he said to me it was as

807
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,239
haunt as as really, he said, Yet it was a

808
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,519
room there used to go freezing cold, and he was

809
00:36:07,559 --> 00:36:09,039
a bit of a meal because he said, you know,

810
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,960
it bothered me, he said, And as an older guy,

811
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,039
I rang one day, I rang a medium and the

812
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:17,920
medium was actually based in the UK, and the medium

813
00:36:18,039 --> 00:36:21,440
picked up he was ringing from the house. He or

814
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:24,039
she said, there's a there's activity there, all right, but

815
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:27,559
it's not it's not malevolent, it's not menacing or anything.

816
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,800
It's to do with horses. It's an ostler. I think

817
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,760
it was some good. He's mischievous, but he's harmless.

818
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 3: No.

819
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: I was looking at the map for nineteen oh three

820
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,719
of the barracks, right, I'd look at that house. Sarsfield

821
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,199
has what's at the back of it stables. Oh yeah,

822
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,599
by the way, the gymnasium that you trained him. That's

823
00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:49,840
some building. I don't think many Dublin Dubliners are aware

824
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,800
of what a fine building that is.

825
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:57,199
Speaker 4: It's possibly the best equipped gym around. It's just amazing,

826
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:58,840
but it's what the soldiers need.

827
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 2: It might get Krude the box and there we.

828
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 4: Were all part of the gym team back then. Michael

829
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,199
would have been among the star players.

830
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,559
Speaker 2: It's a fabulous really.

831
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 4: And then we had the other boxes there like Phil

832
00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:12,800
subcluff Phil Supluffe on two Olympics. For Phil was probably

833
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,239
one of the best boxers that ever came out.

834
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:17,679
Speaker 2: For them Barracks. It's also mentioned in Unises in passing

835
00:37:18,119 --> 00:37:20,039
in the context of the boxing match.

836
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, now, what we had was that gym goes back

837
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:26,079
to the British days when it used to be a gym.

838
00:37:26,159 --> 00:37:28,519
But nineteen sixteen they opened up as a prisoner and

839
00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:32,320
they used the cells inside. They used them. Yeah, so

840
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,039
if they picked up anybody down minds, they bring them up,

841
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:37,559
They put them into the gym. They keep them there

842
00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:39,920
for a night or two and if anybody downtown had

843
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,079
seen somebody doing doing something, they bring them up here

844
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:44,800
and they put them in the lion and they'd spot

845
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:47,039
they'd spot them out to see who done I did.

846
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 2: They have a bit of fun as well, in the

847
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,000
nastiest possible way, by shooting bullets around them, making them

848
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:52,760
stand against the wall.

849
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,199
Speaker 4: You showed me the chicken dances, the chicken dance, Chicken dance,

850
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,119
give us information, always shoot you, yeah, and then shoot

851
00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:01,239
all around them. The bullet marks are still in the wall.

852
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,679
Now of course, hang onus would be more, you know,

853
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,440
a layer around and that's how the bulleholds are all

854
00:38:06,519 --> 00:38:08,559
still there. Yeah, it's hardly been. A tree or three

855
00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:09,599
would have went straight through the wall.

856
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: And within literally feet of that there are the old

857
00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:15,440
shooting ranges. Are they in brown Stiller? There they were?

858
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 4: They were kind of gone on I Yeah, well, no

859
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,880
one put you down there, all right? Yeah, well we

860
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,239
used to go looked all to to all too too.

861
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,239
But back then you could. You could make the f

862
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,159
M rifles. You could take the modi and put them

863
00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:33,159
in to use them. Yeah.

864
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,159
Speaker 2: Perfect, because I used to go down there and you're not.

865
00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:38,159
I was intrigued as the amount of graffiti and we'll

866
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,320
be dating from the Second World War and the fifties

867
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,519
and all the service men that have gone through there.

868
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,079
Speaker 4: So is that there be a training walls? So we

869
00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:48,320
used to use them walls every morning. Yeah, you'd be

870
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,119
thrown over the walls, ten walls and they were all

871
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,280
seven eight foot hard and you'd be made get over them,

872
00:38:54,519 --> 00:38:56,159
you know, So that that was your training there.

873
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: You kind of NCO's message. It's still knocking around in that.

874
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:02,079
Speaker 4: Still exact same down the corner. You used to have

875
00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:04,519
the sargest message across the world but that went into

876
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,239
the military archives took all over, so now they have

877
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:09,840
a lot of their paperworking there, and then they'd have

878
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,159
the bomb disposal una and then you'd have right down

879
00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:16,280
to where Skefton was executed and the Michael Collins helse.

880
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: So you discovered you did a bit of detective work

881
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,960
yourself for years. Right behind this guardroom there was a

882
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,320
little ornate garden and I was a child and I

883
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,599
used to go down and little pond that's right, the

884
00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:32,599
little god that's going back, the little pond of and

885
00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:34,400
it was it was flowers. Or there was a plaque

886
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,920
on the wall where the three guys had been, but

887
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:39,000
that that's not where they were shot.

888
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:42,639
Speaker 4: Well, or was see I'll tell you what happened. They

889
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:46,079
were when they were shot. They said, he said, bring

890
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:47,840
them out to the yard behind the guardroom. We're going

891
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:48,599
to execute them.

892
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 6: Now.

893
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 4: When I went into looking at the ladies that were

894
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,000
at the gate was Hannah, she Skeverton and mister Dixon

895
00:39:55,039 --> 00:39:57,320
and macintoy was their family. They were ladies who are

896
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,480
at the gates here. Now when I went more into

897
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:01,440
it just makes sense to say that they were shot

898
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,519
in the yard that belonged to the guard room. Just

899
00:40:03,559 --> 00:40:07,159
didn't make sense because it's only literally ten yards away

900
00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:09,639
from the gates. So but yet the ladies never heard

901
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,599
that the men got executed to three days after the

902
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:15,719
battalion commander's office, and the battalion commander told them to

903
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,000
let them go. He gave him an order to let

904
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:20,800
the three men go. His office is attached to the guardroom.

905
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,199
It's attached here to the guardroom. He never heard the shots.

906
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,639
So the more I looked into it, the more I said,

907
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,559
this just doesn't sound right. No, I went more into

908
00:40:29,639 --> 00:40:32,320
it than that. It went more in depth, and then

909
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,480
I said, do you know the barraks was broken back

910
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:37,400
then into two different places. There was the hospital area

911
00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:40,199
and there was the barricades. And then it was more

912
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,320
investigating that I realized that there was a hospital yard.

913
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,000
So when they said bring them out to the yard

914
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:47,559
behind the guard room, did he mean the hospital yard

915
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,159
to get them away from the gate. And I believe

916
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,719
that he brought them to the hospital yard, which is

917
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,880
about one hundred yards down. But the hospital yard was

918
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,280
kind of in a sea a letter C shape, and

919
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,320
he brought them behind that annie noise or any volleys

920
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,840
shot that went off when they went off the building

921
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,840
and the other direction. Also, you had the range that

922
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,880
we were just talking about, that's just up the way,

923
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:13,159
so it would have been common his shots coming from there,

924
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,800
so it wouldn't have been unheard of. Just here, something

925
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,159
in the distance that would be common. But to hear

926
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,320
something come from the yard here, absolutely no, no, because

927
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,119
nobody heard it. So I went up had a look.

928
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,280
Not only did we find where they took the bricks

929
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,280
out of the wall to try the disguise where he'd done.

930
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,920
Because the bullets went through the bricks, went through the

931
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:34,639
men and through the bricks, destroyed the bricks, so we

932
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,719
found that the bricks were freshly put in. Also, we

933
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,199
found a hole in the brick and we went in

934
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,239
investigated with X ray machines from the bomb disposal. We

935
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:45,760
found as a round sill in the world.

936
00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:47,559
Speaker 2: It's still there, still there.

937
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 4: We put it back, we took it out, we sent

938
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:55,199
it off. It's a mouse around and what gunned pistol?

939
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,480
But he was involved in it as well, So I

940
00:41:57,599 --> 00:41:59,559
always wondered why did they bring two men out to

941
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:02,559
shoot three men? And it was only then that I realized.

942
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,519
But the bullet went through a tree. See what they

943
00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:07,400
said was bring them down to have a cigarette. And

944
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:09,760
this when they went down, they stood under the tree.

945
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,800
There's no tree going to ever be in the guard room.

946
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,320
This is what made me made me think. But so

947
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,320
when they went down, the litt up a cigarette and

948
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,400
as soon as they did, they cocked the weapons and

949
00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:21,119
they fured on the men. All the evidence is still there.

950
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:23,039
So we got the bullet out, we had the look.

951
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:25,239
We put it back in the wall. The shallow grave

952
00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:28,039
that is still there. So what we've done is that

953
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:30,760
we cleaned up the whole area. The bodies were exhumed

954
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,760
by the officers that were hearing the barracks. Well, the

955
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,679
carcase was going on, and they want to give them

956
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,719
back to the families because the officers didn't want to

957
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,199
people outside to think that they were murderers. So they

958
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,519
took the bodies up. They're going to touch the families,

959
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,960
and they even paid money for them to be buried.

960
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:46,760
Two were buried than glass never at one's buried in Deansgrange.

961
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,280
Then they covered up the area. It's like everything else.

962
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:51,960
You get a dog burris a bone, he digs it up,

963
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:54,320
takes the bone out. A week later, when you put

964
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,800
the door back. Over time with rain, it'll sink. You'll

965
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,920
often get that devil like a bowels exactly what we

966
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,639
found up there to where the lads were about it,

967
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,480
and that that's how we knew where they were about it.

968
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:06,880
The tree is right beside the weady history and the

969
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,639
bricks are out of the wall, and yet the bullets.

970
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: Still in the wall. Pay to you because I mean

971
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:13,119
you rewrote history.

972
00:43:13,559 --> 00:43:16,599
Speaker 4: Well you know it's as I said, it's a passionate

973
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:19,079
walk and you know you've.

974
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,039
Speaker 2: Just triggered something else off. We were talking about Sarsfield House,

975
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,519
but just beyond that, it's occurred to me that's some time,

976
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,239
not that long ago, in contemporary times. There was a

977
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,079
bunch of skeletons found that's right.

978
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was around the back round the back

979
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:34,199
date them.

980
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,639
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a battle of brad mines.

981
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,559
Speaker 4: Or god knows, God knows going back that far they

982
00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:43,519
came up because we started up a lot months there.

983
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:44,679
There mused to be a lot of them.

984
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 2: We had one yeah years ago at the Garrison church, right,

985
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,679
but the flats are. But anyway you're saying.

986
00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:53,639
Speaker 4: Well, around the corner from that the round it is

987
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:56,000
where they were found. There was skeletons found there and

988
00:43:56,039 --> 00:43:57,800
I think it happened before it happened at the back

989
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,760
of the gymnasium as well. There was a couple of

990
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:02,119
the found their skeletons film back there.

991
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 5: But it could be good.

992
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:07,079
Speaker 4: You could be talking way way back.

993
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,559
Speaker 2: Well known see the whole land. We've just toured the

994
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:13,239
whole barracks virtually and I hope you've enjoyed it. But

995
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:17,559
nobody will have done it more justice or have explained

996
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:20,800
things more comprehensively. The blood of the place runs through

997
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,840
you know than your good self. So no mac donald,

998
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,000
thank you so much. It's been an absolute pleasure and

999
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:28,440
a revelation to me as well, so much I didn't know.

1000
00:44:28,639 --> 00:44:30,079
Speaker 4: It's a pleasure. And do you know what on the

1001
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:31,920
luge you came in. What I will say is that

1002
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:34,679
you have any listeners and are interested in it, you're

1003
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,320
can in touch with the barracks and ask me in

1004
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,679
touch with Noel and then all organos of tour and

1005
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,119
make sure that you have a good day.

1006
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,199
Speaker 2: Well, the inaugural scary era of podcast was built right

1007
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,039
around here and it couldn't have gotten off to a

1008
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:48,679
better start. Now make sure that that happens thanks again,

1009
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,239
No thanks you. If you've got an Irish paranormal experience

1010
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,159
you'd like to share, get in touch Paranormal Ireland at

1011
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,079
ProtonMail dot com. I have a feeling, my dear, you're

1012
00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:02,320
going to enjoy it is quite a lot. Earlier this week,

1013
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,320
the Squire David McGlynn plunked himself into the Scary Era

1014
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,039
studio and told us all about the northeast of Ireland.

1015
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:13,039
I could not start a Scary Era episode without my

1016
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:18,519
bachelorhood friend. Welcome the Squire McGlynn. Hello. Yes, he's a

1017
00:45:18,599 --> 00:45:20,960
man of few words, but in his time he was

1018
00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:23,599
known as the catch of the county. Why was that, David?

1019
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 7: I tended to catch a lot of things. He did,

1020
00:45:26,199 --> 00:45:28,760
and we won't go into that here, but most of

1021
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,079
them were treated. Some of them have recurred, none of

1022
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:31,800
them permanently.

1023
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,079
Speaker 2: When I met this guy, the Squire David McGlynn, I

1024
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,679
arrived in this outfit. It was the closest thing to

1025
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,519
being in Goodfellas.

1026
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 7: Tan colored BMW five twenty diesel. I think he was

1027
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,400
arriving at the time. That was your company car? Was

1028
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:49,559
I couldn't tell. I just knew I'd been headhunted.

1029
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:53,639
Speaker 2: I knew I had jumped on the Titanic, and I

1030
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,920
bid my time, but I sure as hell wasn't. I

1031
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,159
wasn't gonna go down with it. There I was in

1032
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,039
the corridors one and this bespectacled you remember the red

1033
00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:04,920
Spectacles very eighties, actually it was early nineties, but you

1034
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:10,599
did spectacles. He had the suit probably Hugo Boss walking along. You,

1035
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,960
by the way, were the first person talk to me

1036
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,360
about laptop computers, and I subsequently made quite a nice

1037
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,000
living at a laptop computers.

1038
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 7: Was actually called a compatible loggable at the time. It

1039
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,719
was like a small suitcase but very heavy. Came out

1040
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,480
of the IBM PS one, which was the very first

1041
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,760
personal computer PC in any office in the world.

1042
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: I don't doubt scintilla of that. But we're here to

1043
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:41,960
talk about the northeast of Ireland, which is imbued, it's steeped,

1044
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:44,840
it's immersed in history, Am I correct.

1045
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 7: It's actually the place where it's believed that Saint Patrick

1046
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,800
arrived in around the sixth century, fifth century, but way

1047
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,320
before that, the Irish as a race arrived through the

1048
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,280
Iberian Peninsula, so basically the Basque region of northern Spain.

1049
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,360
We all basically come from there, and the first people

1050
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,079
to arrive were the Milesians.

1051
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 2: That sounds like a disease, Yeah, yeah, sorry, it.

1052
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 7: Does sound similar to Lesions, but it's not quite the

1053
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:14,599
same thing. But the Mylesians were Middle East kind of area.

1054
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 2: But they were dark skinned with blue eyes, so I heard.

1055
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 7: Could have been I don't know. I don't know about that.

1056
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:23,679
They but they arrived, and it's believed they arrived. Simpatrick

1057
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,599
arrived at the point that was the first place he

1058
00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:28,800
arrived in and then traveled from there throughout Ireland. Mylesians

1059
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,199
arrived in the same place to the point, which is northeast,

1060
00:47:32,199 --> 00:47:34,519
which is what exactly the area we're talking about. Their

1061
00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:38,239
king was called Amagin, and he's believed to be buried

1062
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:43,000
underneath mill Mount. Mill Mount is in Drahada. So Amagin,

1063
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,280
who is a famous I believe poet, was the king

1064
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,000
of the Mylegians, the first people to arrive in Ireland.

1065
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:50,159
Speaker 6: They arrived in the northeast.

1066
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: I want to talk of just about a few of

1067
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:56,679
these spots in the northeast. Of course, probably the world

1068
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,519
renowned New Grange be the place to start. It's a

1069
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:06,400
neolithic I'm told tomb. It's three two hundred years old,

1070
00:48:06,679 --> 00:48:11,440
David at least, yes, which makes it older. Sorry, English people,

1071
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,320
older than Stonehenge. It's older than the Pyramids.

1072
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's older than both. Stunning place. What can I

1073
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:17,840
say about New Grange?

1074
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 2: Talk to me about the salstice?

1075
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 7: What happens Saltice happens around the twenty first twenty second

1076
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:27,039
of December every year, and it's the end of the

1077
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:30,400
winter cycle of the sun. And basically this place has

1078
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,239
been built in such a way that at a certain

1079
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,000
time on the morning of twenty first or twenty second

1080
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:38,760
of December, the sun comes through a slit in a

1081
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,440
piece of stone which is above the doorway to New Grange.

1082
00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:44,559
New Grange is a tomb, so there is a passageway

1083
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,679
into the main chamber of the tomb. There's a slit

1084
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,159
in the stone above the doorway, and light comes in

1085
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,440
from the rising sun through that slit in the stone.

1086
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 6: And illuminates the entrance, the whole chamber.

1087
00:48:57,679 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 7: It eventually reaches the back of the which is the

1088
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,039
walkway up to the chamber itself, and then illuminates the

1089
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:07,280
whole chamber. And this happens just once a year at

1090
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,519
this particular time of the solstice. The brains or intelligence

1091
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,760
needed at that time to be able to construct something

1092
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,519
that would achieve that is just phenomena. It's phenomenal. How

1093
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:21,840
did they think it up? They obviously spent a long

1094
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,320
long time watching the sun, everything about the seasons.

1095
00:49:24,519 --> 00:49:26,599
Speaker 2: Well, the first time I heard about it was do

1096
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:31,320
you recall a show called Arthur C. Clock's Mysterious World

1097
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:35,440
that aired. I heard him say, this is older than

1098
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:38,079
the pyramids. Can be very cloudy. A lot of people

1099
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:39,320
are disappointed.

1100
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,159
Speaker 7: Watching the northern lights and asteroids in the far off

1101
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,559
night sky, complete waste of time if it's cloudy, and

1102
00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:46,639
if it's cloudy at all, you won't see it. It

1103
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,480
doesn't happen. So you have to have completely clear skies

1104
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,199
for the sun to be able to shine.

1105
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 2: And there's a waiting list on this and people are

1106
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:54,039
picked every year.

1107
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 6: There's a lottery.

1108
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,519
Speaker 7: You can put your name on a waiting list, and

1109
00:49:56,599 --> 00:49:59,239
there's a lottery every year and you can get to

1110
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,400
go inside. I put my name down on that list

1111
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,920
probably about fifteen twenty years ago and have never heard

1112
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:06,519
a word since.

1113
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 6: That's how difficult it is. So it's very much a lottery.

1114
00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 2: Northeast. It's it's a bloody place and David one of

1115
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,440
his pier tears. Here's a fancy word. What's that mean, David?

1116
00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:20,719
I don't even know myself on the ground, all right,

1117
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:25,719
Well I did know, right, freckin' egghead. So he had

1118
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,880
a gate lodge, right, the colonel was there was old

1119
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,800
British army influence, and David, as a young bachelor, decided

1120
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,960
that major actually was he a major? Sure that's less

1121
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:38,679
than a colonel.

1122
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 6: As you know, he always corrected everybody that he was

1123
00:50:41,039 --> 00:50:41,400
a major.

1124
00:50:41,519 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 2: So I want to talk about this place. It was

1125
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,159
a gate lodge of a big house. Was at a farmhouse?

1126
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:47,599
Speaker 3: What was it?

1127
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: What was the major involved in? He was very brave

1128
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:52,599
by the way to be a British Army major and

1129
00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:54,920
living up that Negadi woods or foolish.

1130
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:57,119
Speaker 7: What was actually very funny about him, and I don't

1131
00:50:57,159 --> 00:50:59,480
remember his name, but what was very funny about him

1132
00:50:59,519 --> 00:51:02,159
was that he was very eccentric, very British at West

1133
00:51:02,199 --> 00:51:04,119
Brita as he would be called in Ireland, and a

1134
00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:06,639
West Britain would be somebody who the Irish would consider

1135
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,639
English or who have somebody who has an affinity to England.

1136
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,199
But the major was a retired British Army major and

1137
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,760
when he left, his responsibility in Ireland was to recruit

1138
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,320
for the army and that was actually his job. Well,

1139
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,239
that's what he always would luck with that, That's what

1140
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,719
he always told us. And he drove around in a

1141
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:25,480
battlet ol.

1142
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: He drove around in an armored car.

1143
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,679
Speaker 7: Say, drove around in a battered old red BMW three

1144
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,639
series and it was an eighties three series Beam with

1145
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,079
a Maltese cross so.

1146
00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 2: We could give a mout to snout resuscitation if any

1147
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:40,880
of the animals keeled over.

1148
00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 6: It was more to do with colonialism owning Malta.

1149
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 4: God.

1150
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: Well, I remember this, Sorry, I need to bring it

1151
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,559
back to the Gate Lodge. So you inhabited that as

1152
00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:54,199
as a kind of a bachelor pad. We would nurse

1153
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,880
hangovers there and you would hold little kind of mini

1154
00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:03,760
like microcos, make baronial meals for the invited. That's which

1155
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,480
I was one, and I was asked by you, did

1156
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:08,159
I want what's that cheese?

1157
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:09,639
Speaker 6: Sare is word?

1158
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,199
Speaker 2: Sware swarrey? Yeah, baronial is a bit.

1159
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 6: Too small to be baronic? Is this such a word?

1160
00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: Folks? Sorry we are we will get back to the

1161
00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:21,199
paranormal We were having some kind of of spaghetti and

1162
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:24,599
you said to me, would you like some parmesan cheese

1163
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:27,519
with that? And I said yes, please, David, and you

1164
00:52:27,679 --> 00:52:29,599
told me to f off that you didn't have any.

1165
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,119
So that's what you were dealing with. But let's set

1166
00:52:34,199 --> 00:52:38,679
the scene. This place, if I remember correctly, was set on.

1167
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,400
Was it the battleground or a site of the Battle

1168
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:43,000
of the Boyne.

1169
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 6: No, I'm shaking my head.

1170
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 7: No, the battle site of the Boyne is just beside

1171
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,400
the Boyne River, so it's a couple of miles.

1172
00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:49,760
Speaker 6: Away from there.

1173
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: So what was that sixteen ninety something? Was it sixteen

1174
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,000
ninety or sixteen ninety Explain to the people what the

1175
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:58,159
Battle of the Boinne was? Just roughly a thumbnail sketch.

1176
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,920
Prince William or King William was of Orange.

1177
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Speaker 6: King William of Orange was drafted in.

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Speaker 7: This is very very roughly, so the best thing to

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do is research this if you want accurate. King William

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of Orange, who was Dutch, was drafted in by the

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royal family of the UK to take over the crown

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of England. And it was around the time of James

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the first James. The first was a Catholic. William of

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Orange was a Protestant, and as with most of Irish history,

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it's all to do with religion. So basically, William of

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Orange arrived here to have a battle against James the First,

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and James the First at the time was the king

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of the United Kingdom and Ireland or that, or at

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the time it was Great Britain and Ireland, so he

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had a lot of his troops were Irish Catholics against

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their own people.

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Speaker 6: It was very confused, yes, but it happened.

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Speaker 7: Basically, it was the last major battle of its type

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on Irish soil that I can remember, and William of

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Orange won the battle. James the First fled the battlefield

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in disarray, and there's a story that he was on

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his way to Dublin who stopped at a hostelry and

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it was said to him or he was asked why

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he was where he was, and he said, oh, everybody

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ran away from the battlefield.

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Speaker 6: Everybody betrayed me.

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Speaker 7: And the person who asked him the question said, well,

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that's that's unusual because you're the first to arrive, which

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obviously yes, he ran before.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, sure, well that's true, and I don't know.

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It's one of the stories out of it, so sixteen

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ninety still a major of.

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Speaker 2: Course ramifications to this day. Luckily we seem to be

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over the worst of it. There's a there's a pretty

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it's always just below the surface. But Deytonte has ruled

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supreme since nineteen ninety eight or so, and let's hope

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it stays that way.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we don't seem to have any problems.

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Speaker 7: Really, there's still an underbelly you'll always get that doesn't

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tend to rear its ugly head.

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Speaker 6: And we're in relative peace these days.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to stick with the blood

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end of things. You're a drah De man, right. It

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00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,719
was sacked by our friend who's the baddie that did

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all the killing and Oliver cro Oliver Cromwell warts and all.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he was.

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Speaker 7: He was in opposition to the crown in the UK

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at the time. Anti royalist Charles the First was on

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the throne at the time. Cromwell got together what was

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called the New Model Army and basically set off against

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the Crown. Part of his insurrection involved trying to overtake

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parts of Ireland, one of which was Drahda. There are

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other battles as well, but Drahoda was particularly gruesome and

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bloody one.

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Speaker 2: The sacking of Drahada that was men, women and children,

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really wasn't it. It was just horrendous.

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Speaker 7: There are various reports about what happened there. There are

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reports of over two and a half thousand men, women

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and children being slaughtered by Cromwell's troops. There are differing

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opinions on that. I personally know an historian who's written

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a few books on the subject, and he brought up

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a very well I find interesting point, and he said,

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if two and a half to three thousand people were

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actually slaughtered, where are the skeletons. There are no skeletons.

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Nobodies have been found in that kind of number, no

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00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,199
mass graves have been found. With all of the archaeological

1242
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,079
digging and stuff that has gone on in the area

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of which there's play, there's no actual proof, but that

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doesn't serve the narrative of people who want to paint

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Cromwell as an absolute evil monster, evil monster, which no

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00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,639
doubt he was to a certain extent. But I think

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there's more to it than that. There seems to be

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It looks like he got a very bad rap. He

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was very, very heavily supported at the time, everybody thought

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00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,559
he was great, and everybody turned on him. And history

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is written by the victors, and he wasn't a victor

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for very long. And the ones that came after are

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the ones that wrote his history.

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Speaker 2: He did something, I mean, he really over through the monarchy,

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and I mean as far as you can get them,

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00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:40,039
which was behead the king. Wow, can I ask you

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00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,679
and you can obviously say no. And it's a quick

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00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,119
but just when we talk paranormal and ghosts and stuff

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00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,639
like that, anything ever happened to David McGlynn.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, a couple of things over the years. But I've learned,

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well I don't. I suppose it's not learned. I've just

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00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:56,360
become accustomed to it. And I think it's kind of

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00:56:56,519 --> 00:56:59,400
it's maybe it's it's another sense or something. But often

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00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,119
when you go into places, you will get a feeling

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00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:03,239
for the place, and you'll get a feeling of whether

1266
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,079
or not it's comfortable for you. And whatever cause is that,

1267
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,039
Who knows what causes that. But we have an intuition.

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We have an inbuilt intuition. I can't describe what it

1269
00:57:11,639 --> 00:57:14,000
is or where it comes from, or the physics of

1270
00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:16,400
it or the chemistry of it. But it's there, and

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00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,639
anybody will will tell you to stick with your intuition.

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If you think something doesn't feel right, then don't hang around.

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00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:26,079
I've had that feeling quite a few times over the years.

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I've had there's a few different stories that There was

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one which actually happened in Drahada. A friend of mine

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and myself we're walking home one night from the pub,

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and I have to add we hadn't imbued bines.

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Speaker 6: We had two drinks.

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Speaker 7: We were both nineteen years old at the time, and

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we passed a place called Tommy Hanrattis Tommy Handerties is

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a pub that had been there for at least a

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00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,559
couple of hundred years. And as we were walking past

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00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:51,519
this place, it was about half past twelve at night,

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an old guy in a long woolen coat, long black

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00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:58,599
woolen coat, wearing what I later found out was a

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00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,639
Homburg hat, which is a type of troll bey but

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very specific to the turn of the century Edwardian era.

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It's very very specific type of hat. And the reason

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I know that now is because I was trying to

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00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,039
describe him to so many people, but I couldn't describe

1291
00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:15,599
the hat. Just as we were turning the corner, this

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00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,400
figure came around the corner said good evening, lifted his

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00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,679
homburg hat, and that was it, basically, and I said

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to him good night. My friend, who had carried on

1295
00:58:23,719 --> 00:58:26,320
a couple of steps further, turned around and said to

1296
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,480
me who you're talking to? And I said, the old guy.

1297
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Did you not see him, the old guy who just

1298
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,639
came around the corner. And he said, nobody's just come

1299
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around the corner. I didn't think an awful lot of

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it until the next day. I had to go to

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Tommy Handrotty's pub and I went in there ostensibly for

1302
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a pint, but while I was in there, I asked, actually,

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00:58:41,559 --> 00:58:44,039
the guy's name behind the bar is Tommy Handroton. He's

1304
00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:47,280
related to his grandfather opened the pub originally. And I

1305
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,559
said to him, was your dad around or was your

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00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:52,239
granddad around? And he said, my grandfather's been dead for years.

1307
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And I said, well, we were walking past last night

1308
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,639
and an alfala in a long black coat wearing a

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00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,480
black hat said good night to us out of nowhere

1310
00:59:01,679 --> 00:59:04,199
and he said, that's my grandfather. In Ireland, it would

1311
00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:06,840
be ah, yeah, that happens all the time. That's that's

1312
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,400
that's you know, that's common occurrence. We discussed briefly what

1313
00:59:10,519 --> 00:59:12,039
the guy looked like. A. Yeah, it happens all the

1314
00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:14,360
time in the same thing. We get that all the time.

1315
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And he was very offhand about the whole thing.

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Speaker 6: To be totally O.

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Speaker 7: That was one story. There were a couple of others.

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I'm sure I saw my grandmother once. I'd never seen

1319
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:25,480
my grandmother. She died before I was born, but I

1320
00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:27,880
was in growing up in a house in Birmingham, and

1321
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:31,119
she appeared in the ceiling above my bed, just looking

1322
00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:32,920
at me. As far as I I just saw an

1323
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,599
old woman looking at me from the ceiling. It was

1324
00:59:34,679 --> 00:59:38,159
absolutely Gary's not the word. But the next morning I

1325
00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:40,159
asked my mother. I said to my mother, there was

1326
00:59:40,199 --> 00:59:41,800
an old lady looking at me. I would have been

1327
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,800
about ten or eleven at the time, and my mother

1328
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,079
just asked me what did she look like? And I

1329
00:59:46,199 --> 00:59:48,000
told her and she said, that was your granny. Now,

1330
00:59:48,119 --> 00:59:50,320
my mother may have just said that to placate me

1331
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,199
and to calm me down and lay the whole thing,

1332
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,679
lay it down, but she said I had described my grandmother.

1333
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,039
Whether or not it was her, I don't know, but yeah,

1334
00:59:58,039 --> 00:59:59,920
a few things like that have happened over the years.

1335
01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:02,760
I tend to kind of believe them. Don't believe them,

1336
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:03,960
it's just something that happens.

1337
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Speaker 2: Well, David, it's been lovely reacquainting myself with you. I

1338
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,719
think I'll probably use a third of what we have

1339
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,599
recorded here. I joke. Of course, I can chop it

1340
01:00:12,679 --> 01:00:16,880
up anyway I want. And oh that Scary Era, I

1341
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,039
can shove it up anyway. Could you do Alia lieson alone?

1342
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:22,679
Would you do Alam? Can you do it? Because David's

1343
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,320
very good at unprshing something else. I will find you.

1344
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,880
I'll tell you, I'll know your name. We'll be coming off,

1345
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,119
so we'll send the boys around to nail your knees

1346
01:00:33,159 --> 01:00:36,440
to the door. Thanks very much, David. That was brilliant.

1347
01:00:36,639 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 4: Bye.

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Speaker 2: What an old smoothie the Squire is. I hope you

1349
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,199
enjoyed today's inaugural Scary Era show. Thanks to the good

1350
01:00:44,239 --> 01:00:46,920
people at Paranormal UK for putting up with me for

1351
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,000
the last hour. They're going to retire to their bood

1352
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:53,239
war to decide whether it's worth doing another one. But

1353
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,320
if you've been impressed and you'd like to get involved

1354
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,559
at all, the old, strap me to a pig and

1355
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,719
roll me in the mud top of the morning, in

1356
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,679
the bottom of the evening Shenanigan's malarkey. We'd love to

1357
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,719
hear from you. Email Paranormal Ireland at ProtonMail dot com.

1358
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,599
Tell us your ghostly ivory story, now, won't you? You

1359
01:01:11,679 --> 01:01:14,119
won't see what I'll be giving you for Christmas. I'll go,

1360
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,239
so mind yourself and don't get your leg cut in

1361
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,719
the door of your bicycle from a south Mark manning.

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Take care because I care.