1 00:00:28,519 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho. 2 00:00:36,079 --> 00:00:39,439 This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, I'm 3 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,880 going to bring you this week's episode of The Big Story. 4 00:00:44,079 --> 00:00:47,280 But first I do want to encourage you. If you 5 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,920 are enjoying the podcast, please follow us using your favorite 6 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,840 podcast software. And I want to encourage you to check 7 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:00,600 out our other podcast and today I'm highlighting the amazing 8 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,799 world of radio. The Amazing World of Radio will be 9 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:08,040 starting its summer season coming up May twenty seventh, and 10 00:01:08,079 --> 00:01:12,560 we will be featuring Colombo Killers in Old Time Radio. 11 00:01:13,159 --> 00:01:17,120 And that's just what it sounds like radio programs that 12 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:22,439 feature actors who played the killer in an episode of Colombo. 13 00:01:22,799 --> 00:01:26,879 Do check that out at Amazing Great Detectives dot net. 14 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:31,920 Now a little bit of an apology. This week's episode 15 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:34,680 should have been played last week. We got out of 16 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,040 order just because I looked at the wrong episode and 17 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,719 didn't realize the problem until it was too late to 18 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:46,159 fix it. So with that said, today's episode originally aired 19 00:01:46,439 --> 00:01:50,959 June twenty first, nineteen fifty and the title is Death 20 00:01:51,000 --> 00:02:00,200 in the Family, The Big Story. 21 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: Mommy, moumy, I'm driving as fast as I can and 22 00:02:10,439 --> 00:02:11,840 I'm reading. 23 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,159 Speaker 3: Momy would be in the hospital in a few minutes. Mummy, 24 00:02:15,759 --> 00:02:19,159 I don't feels good. Keep your hands tight over the 25 00:02:19,199 --> 00:02:25,599 pullet hole. I'm going to die. I'm going to die. No, 26 00:02:26,719 --> 00:02:28,400 you'll be all right as soon as I can get 27 00:02:28,439 --> 00:02:28,800 you to the. 28 00:02:38,159 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 4: Lapire Michigan. The story of a reporter who followed through 29 00:02:42,319 --> 00:02:45,240 to the end one of the most brutal atrocities in 30 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:55,960 American criminal history. LaPier, Michigan. The story is that actually happened. 31 00:02:56,719 --> 00:02:59,000 Bill Noble's story as he lived. 32 00:02:58,719 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 5: It, Michigan, Indian summer. 33 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 6: Midnight and you, Bill Noble, reporter for the Lapere Press, 34 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,240 are driving home after a pleasant visit to the friend. 35 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:29,319 The night hangs softly, peacefully over the dark rolling hill. 36 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:34,680 Ahead of you. A strange light flickers. You wonder what 37 00:03:34,759 --> 00:03:39,080 it is, But as you come nearer you stop wondering. 38 00:03:39,879 --> 00:03:43,479 You can see a house burning. Now the entire upper 39 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,400 floor is a flame. As you drive into the grounds, 40 00:03:47,919 --> 00:03:51,719 your headlights light up a man and a young boy 41 00:03:52,039 --> 00:03:53,199 lying on the ground. 42 00:03:53,919 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 7: Both obviously, Bill, do you know about this or soon? 43 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 8: I was just passing by a shair said this is awful. 44 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:04,159 Speaker 7: Just got here myself. 45 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:05,199 Speaker 4: Hey, you the chair. 46 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:05,879 Speaker 7: That's right. 47 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,159 Speaker 9: I'm a neighbor, Javitch my name. I just looked through 48 00:04:09,159 --> 00:04:10,520 the house. There's no one else in there. 49 00:04:10,759 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 5: Helly, Helly, who are you calling? 50 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 9: My daughter? She said? The wife and another child was 51 00:04:14,719 --> 00:04:17,120 still in the house. But I find the ain't no 52 00:04:17,199 --> 00:04:18,439 one in the house, Ellie. 53 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 3: But Steve said they was. 54 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 9: I looked upstairs and downstairs until the smoke drove me out. 55 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:23,639 I tell you there ain't no one. 56 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,319 Speaker 7: In there who's supposed to be in there, his wife 57 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:25,800 and daughter. 58 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,759 Speaker 9: I'd living room downstairs a bloody mess, but all over 59 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,600 on the chairs, so far, on the rug. 60 00:04:31,439 --> 00:04:32,199 Speaker 8: Even on the walls. 61 00:04:32,519 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 3: The dead man Steve will check his little boy poll. 62 00:04:34,759 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 8: Do you have any idea who shut it? 63 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 3: He got it himself, killed hisself in pull. 64 00:04:38,439 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 7: How do you know? 65 00:04:39,319 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 3: I live across the road. I was just going to 66 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,920 bed when I saw the fire. I ran over and 67 00:04:43,959 --> 00:04:46,399 I saw Steve dumbling out of the house, holding Paul 68 00:04:46,439 --> 00:04:48,680 in his arms. I asked him, what happened to you? 69 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,879 He said, I did it. I shot Paul and myself. 70 00:04:52,199 --> 00:04:54,399 Then I asked him where's the I don wind. He 71 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,160 just pointed to the burning house, and then he died. 72 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:58,360 We were all. 73 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:01,879 Speaker 8: You might have shot his wife and daughter too. 74 00:05:02,199 --> 00:05:04,879 Speaker 9: I must have gotten away because no one's in there. 75 00:05:04,959 --> 00:05:06,079 Speaker 7: Why to do it? Was he crazy? 76 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 3: It was always jealous of ID, always suspicion. 77 00:05:10,879 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 5: Chre A. 78 00:05:12,199 --> 00:05:14,519 Speaker 10: I palled him about the fire to state police run 79 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,399 their way down. There's also been a bad crack up 80 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:18,480 on New forty two, two miles out of Hillscale. 81 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 8: Oh night, lot of houses of Garner running out to 82 00:05:21,439 --> 00:05:22,319 roof to sell a book. 83 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 7: No one's in there, that's the hexagon sergeant, whether the 84 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,759 local or a tourist car a local woman by the 85 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,439 name of Ida Wood checking her daughter where they took 86 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:30,839 them over to the car and hospital. 87 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,199 Speaker 5: Look they go to the house. 88 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,399 Speaker 6: The horror of it has caught your Bill, Noburne. You 89 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,800 race along with the sheriff to the hospital, wanting to 90 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:53,360 know more of this tragedy. You wonder what can possess 91 00:05:53,439 --> 00:05:56,639 the man to shoot his own child. You wonder how 92 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,160 his wife eyed? I can live through this tragedy. 93 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 8: At the hospital, you'll listen and she tells her story 94 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:03,639 to the sheriff. 95 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,759 Speaker 3: He's been plaguing me all day about him. 96 00:06:08,319 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 7: Who is him? 97 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 2: Missus Wilschack hired hands Chuck Snyders. My husband had a 98 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,759 silly idea that Chuck and I were too friendly. That's 99 00:06:16,759 --> 00:06:20,600 why I fired him. What haven't we stopped off at 100 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,800 Ross's Bar for a beer. Beer always calmed him down, 101 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:25,800 But to day he got worse. 102 00:06:25,879 --> 00:06:27,199 Speaker 7: He went directly home from there. 103 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 3: That's right, and I went to bed. 104 00:06:29,399 --> 00:06:30,519 Speaker 7: What about your kids? 105 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,399 Speaker 2: They were all right, They were asleep when we got home. 106 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,839 I wasn't sleeping more half an hour when I woke up. 107 00:06:36,879 --> 00:06:41,519 Suddenly there he was standing, all dressed with a gun 108 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:42,160 in his hand. 109 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,319 Speaker 3: I screamed and ran. He fired at me and missed. 110 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,879 Speaker 2: I ran outside into the fields, and then I heard 111 00:06:49,879 --> 00:06:53,759 some more shots. I ran back, didn't see him, so 112 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,839 I ran to the kid's room, and I saw Linda 113 00:06:56,959 --> 00:06:59,839 was shot. I grabbed her and ran for the car. 114 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,600 Go as fast as I put at the hospital. 115 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,399 Speaker 11: Because she was going to just up to your boy, Paul. 116 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 7: Don't you worried about him too. 117 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,519 Speaker 3: He loved Paul more than anything. I didn't believe he 118 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,040 would ever hurt him. He killed my board. 119 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:24,519 Speaker 6: You listen to her story, Belle Melbourne. You listen to 120 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:30,199 her cry and consolably. There isn't much more to known except. 121 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 7: How our little daughter is. 122 00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 6: Making out in her fight for life. And so you 123 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,000 go and see the doctor down at the other end 124 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,240 of the corner, hoping hard that the doctor will tell 125 00:07:39,279 --> 00:07:43,240 you the one piece of good news in this terrible tragedy. 126 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 8: I am sorry, but I cannot let you in. Well, doctor, 127 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,000 could you tell me how she's doing? Who are you? 128 00:07:48,439 --> 00:07:51,040 I'm from the Lapia Press reported the girl's. 129 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,519 Speaker 12: Dying, dying. She's delirious in not saying anything that makes sense. 130 00:07:55,079 --> 00:07:57,240 There's no point and no good reason why she should 131 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,600 be visited. There's no hope, none. 132 00:08:14,959 --> 00:08:17,079 Speaker 11: Well, Sheriff, what do you think it's open and shot? 133 00:08:17,279 --> 00:08:22,079 Speaker 7: Murder and suicide? Steven Wolcheck, we're alive. We'd hang him. 134 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:25,319 Speaker 8: Tell me what makes a man kill his own kids? 135 00:08:25,319 --> 00:08:26,959 Speaker 7: Some in a bond lunatics? 136 00:08:28,759 --> 00:08:30,279 Speaker 8: Well, I'm going back to my office and write up 137 00:08:30,319 --> 00:08:33,919 the story. Oh, by the way, Sheriff, what was the 138 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,159 name of the tavern? Missus Wilchick said she and her 139 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:36,840 husband were at. 140 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 7: Oh. 141 00:08:39,759 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 8: I think I'll just stop by there, give me a beer. 142 00:08:53,399 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 5: I'll let me frand beer. Yeah. 143 00:09:00,799 --> 00:09:03,399 Speaker 8: Say, did you hear about the wood check? 144 00:09:03,759 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 5: Yeah? Just can't believe it. 145 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 8: Missus Wolcheck said, she was in here just before her 146 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:14,960 husband went with circ weren't they in here? Yeah? But 147 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:15,799 they fight about it. 148 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 9: I never listened to other people's troubles, mister. 149 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 8: Old people quarrely, just can't help listen. He maybe you can't. 150 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:23,519 Speaker 5: I can't. 151 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:23,879 Speaker 7: Look. 152 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,639 Speaker 8: I've told Noble from the look here pressing reporter, I'd 153 00:09:26,639 --> 00:09:27,960 been much obliged if you'd help me. 154 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,279 Speaker 5: I told you, mister, I never listen. 155 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,759 Speaker 12: Excuse me, but my name's Tom Hatcher. Don't bother in 156 00:09:35,759 --> 00:09:40,200 inducing yourself. I always listening on other people's conversations. At 157 00:09:40,279 --> 00:09:42,919 least you're honest. Tell your something, mister Noble, that might 158 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,240 interest you. I knew Steve will Check pretty well. 159 00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:48,519 Speaker 8: You did no one him ever since he came to 160 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,840 this country years ago. What was he like? Here's a 161 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,200 good Joe, A good joe, the man that murders his 162 00:09:54,279 --> 00:09:54,799 two kids. 163 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 12: Just telling you what I knew about him. I guess 164 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,799 I know him as well as anyone wanted to get 165 00:09:59,799 --> 00:10:04,120 a worked hard. It's crazy for his kids spoke English 166 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:05,799 very bad. So we went to night school in ordered 167 00:10:05,799 --> 00:10:07,360 for his kids not to grow up with an accent. 168 00:10:08,279 --> 00:10:10,879 But even night school didn't help him much, and we 169 00:10:10,919 --> 00:10:13,600 got excited each obbed away and polish. 170 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,799 Speaker 8: You were a good friend of his, weren't you? I was? 171 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 12: And I'm telling you the truth about Steve. I'd gave 172 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,759 him plenty of reason to hate her. She always poked 173 00:10:21,799 --> 00:10:24,759 fun at him, was poor English, was being left handed, 174 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,320 there's being such a meek mouse with his boss at everything. 175 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,039 Maybe if he was, she made him crazy, I'd have 176 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,720 loved a good time. She and a girlfriend, always cutting up, 177 00:10:37,039 --> 00:10:41,399 a girlfriend, a neighbor, Ellie Javitts, Javitts. And then she 178 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,720 carried on with a Chuck Snyder at a hard hand 179 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:45,840 name with a police record. 180 00:10:46,039 --> 00:10:47,639 Speaker 8: Yeah, but none of this adds up the killing his 181 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,519 own kids. I know it. Doubt, mister Nova. That's why 182 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:51,320 I'm telling you. 183 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 6: It's hard for you to believe Tom Hatches story, Bill Melbourne. 184 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,600 But now you have your teeth in a case that's 185 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,399 not so open and shut. There's some doubt, and you 186 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:08,879 have to wipe out that doubt. 187 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 5: You go to see some of the neighbors. 188 00:11:11,919 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 13: Now, look here, young fella, I don't believe everything they're 189 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,679 writing them newspapers. Steve wouldn't even go rabbit hunting. He 190 00:11:17,799 --> 00:11:20,519 was against killing anything. Now, how can you figure him 191 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:30,120 killing his own two kids he worshiped. Tell me that, yes, 192 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:30,679 I know him. 193 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 11: I liked him, so did everyone in Hillsdale. You won't 194 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,799 find a soul with a bad wood for him, not blood. 195 00:11:41,759 --> 00:11:43,039 Speaker 5: You do a pretty thorough job. 196 00:11:43,039 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 6: I'm interviewing the neighbors, Bill Melbourne, and now you're full 197 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,320 of doubts. You go and see Elie Javis, a girl 198 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,240 who saw Steve Wocheck die, and as you talk to her, 199 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,320 you watch her nervously torture a handkerchief. 200 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 8: She scarcely looked at you. 201 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 3: I told you what I heard mister Wilchick say, I 202 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,279 did it. I killed Paul and myself. 203 00:12:04,279 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 8: He didn't mention Linda's name. 204 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,159 Speaker 3: I don't remember hearing him say anything about Linda. 205 00:12:09,639 --> 00:12:12,399 Speaker 8: Tell me, do you speak Polish, miss Javits or understand it? 206 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:12,879 Speaker 7: No? 207 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 8: Did you ever hear mister Wilchick speak Polish. 208 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,399 Speaker 3: When you never wanted you? I don't know when you're 209 00:12:19,399 --> 00:12:20,679 asking me real fool questions? 210 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,919 Speaker 8: Or didn't he laughs into Polish whenever he became excited 211 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:23,440 or upset? 212 00:12:23,799 --> 00:12:25,039 Speaker 3: Yes, yes he did. 213 00:12:25,159 --> 00:12:27,159 Speaker 8: Do you think he'd be excited or upset after having 214 00:12:27,159 --> 00:12:28,480 shot himself and his two kids? 215 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:30,919 Speaker 3: You're asking me too many questions. I don't know what 216 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:31,279 you mean. 217 00:12:31,399 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 8: I mean that Steve Wolcheck would have confessed in Polish, 218 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,399 and even if his last dying words were in English, 219 00:12:37,399 --> 00:12:40,000 they certainly wouldn't have been so clear and grammatic. 220 00:12:40,159 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 3: I told you what I heard. You want me to lie. 221 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:47,039 Speaker 8: No, I don't, Miss Javits, You'll go to prisoner you lie. 222 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,559 This case is going to be reopened. You're gonna have 223 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,960 to swear that you heard mister Wilchick say he did it. 224 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,720 And we know that you and Ida are pretty close friends. 225 00:12:58,639 --> 00:13:01,519 If you're protecting her or that hired man, Chuck Snyder, 226 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:02,879 you'll be in serious trouble. 227 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 3: That's what I heard him say. 228 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,159 Speaker 8: I'm almost sure he said that you'd better be absolutely sure, 229 00:13:08,159 --> 00:13:13,200 Miss Jans, because I don't think Steve Wick murdered his family. 230 00:13:39,399 --> 00:13:42,399 Speaker 6: This is Si Harris returning it to your narrator and 231 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:43,919 the big story of William T. 232 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,399 Speaker 11: Noble as he lived it and wrote it. 233 00:13:48,279 --> 00:13:51,279 Speaker 6: As you hurried to the Sheriff's office, Bill Noble, reporter 234 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,360 on the Lafir Press with a new evidence about Steve 235 00:13:54,399 --> 00:13:58,320 Walcheck's character, your mind goes back to the side of 236 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:03,679 him dead clutching his dead son, klose to him. That's 237 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,919 a sight you can't forget or forgive. You're determined to 238 00:14:07,919 --> 00:14:10,639 find the murderer. And at the moment you're in the 239 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,759 sheriff's office discussing the case. 240 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:14,919 Speaker 7: You interviewed all the neighbors, Bill. 241 00:14:14,879 --> 00:14:17,759 Speaker 8: Most everyone, Sheriff. Not one bad word for him, not 242 00:14:17,879 --> 00:14:18,919 one good word for Ida. 243 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,159 Speaker 7: You want me to reopen the case. 244 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:22,279 Speaker 8: Let's take it words it? 245 00:14:22,919 --> 00:14:23,519 Speaker 7: Who could be? 246 00:14:25,639 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 5: Say, Sheriff. 247 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 8: I was just wondering that bullet wound that killed Walchak? 248 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:31,159 Speaker 11: Where was it? 249 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 8: Heber er? 250 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 7: Not exactly. It was on the side under the arm pit, 251 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,240 Which one right or left? I don't remember why? 252 00:14:38,919 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 8: Well, he was left handed, he would only have shot 253 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,279 himself on the left side. 254 00:14:43,159 --> 00:14:52,919 Speaker 11: Oh, no, call the undertaker's water is still there? He hello, ed, 255 00:14:53,159 --> 00:14:53,919 this is the sheriff. 256 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 7: Say take a look at the report on Stephen Walcheck 257 00:14:56,679 --> 00:14:58,799 and tell me where the bullet wound is? Right or 258 00:14:58,879 --> 00:15:05,600 left side? Okay, I'll hold on, don't take a look. No, 259 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:11,480 it seems to me. Hello, the right side. You're sure? 260 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 11: Now? 261 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,799 Speaker 7: Okay? Thanks, that's it. 262 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 8: He couldn't have killed himself. 263 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 7: Are you sure he was left handed? 264 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:18,279 Speaker 8: And several people told me so. 265 00:15:18,399 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 7: Maybe a left handed man could shoot himself in the 266 00:15:20,519 --> 00:15:22,120 right side, take a gun and try. 267 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,879 Speaker 11: It could be done. 268 00:15:27,159 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 8: Would be awkward, Sheriff, A man that's about to commit 269 00:15:29,399 --> 00:15:31,360 suicide isn't going to take any chances of Philly. 270 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:33,879 Speaker 11: Okay, the case is officially real opened. 271 00:15:33,919 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 8: Okay, we have two suspects, missus idawoll check him. The 272 00:15:37,399 --> 00:15:38,480 hired man, Chuck Snyder. 273 00:15:38,519 --> 00:15:40,759 Speaker 7: You know, the probability is that Chuck snyders are man. 274 00:15:40,679 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 8: As a police right. 275 00:15:41,559 --> 00:15:43,639 Speaker 7: I know. I checked him, but it's all small stuff, 276 00:15:43,639 --> 00:15:47,600 disorderly conduct, Petty Steven Still, I'm going to arrest him. 277 00:15:47,919 --> 00:15:59,799 Speaker 6: You want to come along, But Chuck Snyder is no 278 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:02,840 to be found. The sheriff rolls up his sleeves and 279 00:16:02,879 --> 00:16:05,440 goes to work. And now the whole state is alerted. 280 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,600 But Chuck Snyder, every policeman and detective in Michigan is 281 00:16:08,639 --> 00:16:12,039 on the lookout for a tall, heavy set, black haired man. 282 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:16,120 Within a few hours, they find him a little town 283 00:16:16,279 --> 00:16:19,960 right outside of Detroit. His brother's home, he said for 284 00:16:20,039 --> 00:16:22,240 the sheriff while he questions him. 285 00:16:22,039 --> 00:16:24,639 Speaker 7: Why did you do it? Snyder? To what murdered Steve 286 00:16:24,639 --> 00:16:25,600 Wilchack and his kids? 287 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 8: Murder. 288 00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 5: The Are you crazy? 289 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:28,639 Speaker 7: If you didn't do it? Why did you run away? 290 00:16:28,759 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 5: I didn't run away. I was fired. 291 00:16:31,519 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 7: You were a close friend of missus wolcheck. 292 00:16:33,799 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 10: Weren't you I worked for on the phone? Answer the question, Yes, 293 00:16:38,279 --> 00:16:40,519 I was a friend of hers. But you're not gonna 294 00:16:40,519 --> 00:16:42,519 pin this thing on me. No, sir, You've got a 295 00:16:42,519 --> 00:16:43,840 long police record. 296 00:16:43,559 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 5: And no child killer. I ain't never killed anyone. 297 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 7: Did kill Steve? 298 00:16:46,279 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: No? 299 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 5: I did? 300 00:16:46,759 --> 00:16:47,639 Speaker 7: Did she tell you to do it? 301 00:16:47,679 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 5: I ain't kill anyone. 302 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:48,639 Speaker 7: Ill. 303 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,519 Speaker 11: Where were you on the night of the murder? 304 00:16:50,559 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 7: That's what I said. 305 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,799 Speaker 10: I was Detroit. That's where I was. Where in Detroit 306 00:16:54,919 --> 00:16:57,240 the Marquette restaurant I worked? There was a waiter until 307 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:58,120 eleven thirty every night. 308 00:16:58,159 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 7: I can prove it. 309 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 5: You ain't gonna pinis say, I may. I can prove it. 310 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:02,120 Call him up. 311 00:17:02,159 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 10: Go ahead and call them. 312 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:08,599 Speaker 7: He proved that too. 313 00:17:08,759 --> 00:17:12,559 Speaker 6: Bell Novel, the owner of the Marquette restaurant, cleared him. 314 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,039 It was impossible for Chuck Snyder to have been in 315 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:17,799 Detroit and at the scene of the crime at the 316 00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:18,559 same time. 317 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,559 Speaker 7: I'm letting you go, Snyder, but don't you go run away. 318 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:23,039 I want you to stay in town. I may be 319 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:23,440 needing you. 320 00:17:23,759 --> 00:17:24,599 Speaker 5: I ain't running. 321 00:17:24,799 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 10: I don't like cats chasing me with their guns out 322 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:28,279 of their pockets. 323 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 7: Well, there goes our best suspect that leads a silly 324 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,039 what either will check? I can't be heard. No woman 325 00:17:38,079 --> 00:17:40,839 would murder her own children, sheriff, you were ready to 326 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,759 believe the father did I don't know what to believe anymore. 327 00:17:44,799 --> 00:17:48,160 She's still in the hospital. No, she's been discharged, living 328 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,680 with her sister. I think I'll pick her up and 329 00:17:51,799 --> 00:17:55,000 start asking a few questions. 330 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 6: While they're bringing in an idle. WoT check you, Bill Noble. 331 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,960 Go back to the hospital, have a talk with the doctor. 332 00:18:17,559 --> 00:18:21,599 Perhaps Linda had regained consciousness before she died, Perhaps she 333 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,400 had said something that might be of some help. 334 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,319 Speaker 8: Yes, mister Noble, what can I do for you? A doctor? 335 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 12: I'm the reporter from the Lapa Press. Oh, yes, you 336 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:31,400 were in here about a week ago. 337 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 8: I'd tell me. Did Linda ever regain consciousness? Not really? 338 00:18:35,759 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 12: She was never completely lucid. Plucky little girl fought very 339 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,039 hard to live, but the odds were too much against her. 340 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,079 Did she say anything at all before she died? Well, 341 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,880 she kept repeating, Mammy shot me mammy shot me. Sure course, 342 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,160 I'm sure she was delirious. I can't go buy that 343 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,039 too much. People are able to say anything in their delirium. 344 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 8: Anything. Yes, did she ever say that? Her daddy shout no, No, 345 00:19:01,759 --> 00:19:03,519 she didn't, thank you. That's all I want to know. 346 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,039 Speaker 11: I've been talking to idel war Check for five hours. 347 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:18,079 Speaker 7: I didn't get the first base. 348 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 8: She sticks to a story. I share it. 349 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 7: Oh, she tells one story over and over again. Drop 350 00:19:22,759 --> 00:19:24,519 her hat and repeat the whole thing word for word. 351 00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:25,839 Can't break her or shake. 352 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:26,839 Speaker 8: You have to keep trying. 353 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,319 Speaker 7: I know human nature. She's lying. Her story is too smooth. 354 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,759 She remembers too many important details. She's too composed for 355 00:19:34,839 --> 00:19:36,640 a woman who's two kids have been murdered. 356 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,599 Speaker 8: I share if she's not really composed, she's just holding tight. 357 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 7: That's what I think. But it's no good unless we've 358 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,720 got a confession. We'll never convict her. Otherwise. 359 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:45,759 Speaker 8: Look, can I talk to me? 360 00:19:46,279 --> 00:19:48,079 Speaker 7: Sure, come on, I'll take you over the cell. 361 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 8: I've got it myself. I've got to do a lot. 362 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,000 Hello missus Woodchake. 363 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 3: Hello. 364 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 8: Oh, I'm not a detective, just a reporter from the 365 00:20:09,079 --> 00:20:10,119 Lapeer Press. 366 00:20:10,559 --> 00:20:13,599 Speaker 3: Why did they open this case again after my husband confessed. 367 00:20:14,039 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 8: Oh that's the police for you, always looking to stir 368 00:20:16,799 --> 00:20:17,240 up things. 369 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:18,519 Speaker 3: Have no right to keep me here. 370 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 8: Oh they'll have to let you go pretty soon the 371 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,559 way I see. If they haven't got a leg to 372 00:20:22,599 --> 00:20:23,920 stand on, it must. 373 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 3: Be crazy to think a mother could kill her own kid. Besides, 374 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:28,559 didn't Steve confess that he did it? 375 00:20:28,759 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 7: Well? 376 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 8: I really think they opened his case for some political reason. 377 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that's it true. 378 00:20:35,599 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 8: Just don't let yourself get panicky say the wrong things. 379 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:38,559 Speaker 2: I won't. 380 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:40,039 Speaker 3: My story's perfect. 381 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 8: Well, I've got by tomorrow. Let you know what's happening. 382 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,519 My paper's out to see that you get a fair deal, 383 00:20:45,559 --> 00:20:52,240 Missus Woodchake. And besides, why, well, you're the prettiest prisoners 384 00:20:52,279 --> 00:20:53,480 they ever had in this prison. 385 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 3: Nice of you to say that. 386 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:15,599 Speaker 8: Thanks hello, Missus Woodchake. How they treating you? Rotten foods? Terrible? 387 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:16,440 You just keep calm. 388 00:21:16,559 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 2: I'm not worried. 389 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,839 Speaker 8: They've been working on Ellie Jabbetts. She's not so sure 390 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:23,119 now that Steve confessed. 391 00:21:23,319 --> 00:21:25,519 Speaker 3: That little hussy. What's you afraid of? They can't do 392 00:21:25,559 --> 00:21:26,440 anything to her, of. 393 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 8: Course not, but she's getting very jittery. Say, look, do 394 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,359 you mind if I take your picture? Missus will chake 395 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:38,759 for the paper? Sure? Sure, okay, fine? Your profile that 396 00:21:38,839 --> 00:21:45,839 makes you look best? Oh, I hope it comes out 397 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:46,880 as pretty as you really are. 398 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 5: Day after day for two weeks. You bill noble what 399 00:21:57,599 --> 00:21:58,000 to say. 400 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 6: He became friendly with her, broke down some of her resistance. 401 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,160 She looked forward to seeing you every day. You confide 402 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,400 it in I, and in turn, she began to confide 403 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,559 in you little things, nothing important, but you'd opened the door. 404 00:22:14,839 --> 00:22:18,759 Speaker 2: Hello, Ida, wealthy gett't set up with his place. 405 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 8: You could learn how to relax. 406 00:22:20,559 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 3: Anything new happened in my case. 407 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 8: Yeah, the bed pretty bad? 408 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 3: Tell me. 409 00:22:29,839 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 8: Well. They got Ellie to admit that she wasn't sure 410 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,119 what it was Steve said before he died. Instead of 411 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,160 being sure that he said I did it, she now 412 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,759 agrees it sounded more like Ida did it. No, No, 413 00:22:44,839 --> 00:22:47,400 I have a police to figured out something else. Steve 414 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,920 couldn't have shot himself. He was left handed. He was 415 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:50,920 shot on the right side. 416 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 3: He wasn't left handed. 417 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 14: He was right handed. 418 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 8: There are six neighbors who are ready to swear that 419 00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:56,119 he was left handed. 420 00:22:56,559 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 14: I didn't do it. 421 00:22:58,039 --> 00:23:00,759 Speaker 3: I wouldn't kill my own kids. You believe me. 422 00:23:01,519 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 8: I'm just telling you what the police are doing. 423 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 3: Jock did it. 424 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 8: He's the one who didn't. No, No, he didn't. He 425 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:09,559 was in Detroit at the time. He can prove it. 426 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,799 Speaker 3: I fear I didn't do it. You believe me, Bill, 427 00:23:13,319 --> 00:23:14,759 don't you please. 428 00:23:14,839 --> 00:23:17,400 Speaker 8: The doctor that traded poor Linda also told the police 429 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,720 that Linda kept saying, Mommy shot me, mommy shot On 430 00:23:21,839 --> 00:23:26,000 the way here, I stopped by your house, burnt to 431 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:30,640 the ground, but I found this toy, a walking chirping bird. 432 00:23:32,839 --> 00:23:39,880 I see it's still good. The fire never touched it. 433 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:40,599 Speaker 3: Police. 434 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,079 Speaker 8: The doctor also said that Linda wasn't angry at you 435 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,319 before she died. She kept calling for mommy until the end. 436 00:23:52,279 --> 00:23:56,680 My bit, my baby, Ida. You'll never be able to 437 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,680 sleep again until you get it off your mind. If 438 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,920 you'll tell your part, you'll never have a moment's peace. 439 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,480 It'll shake you to bits, It'll drive your stock staring mad. 440 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:07,400 Let's you talk. Might not tell it to you. You 441 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,720 can't keep it inside. Jenny longer. Tell it to me. Ida. 442 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 5: Tell me. 443 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 3: He wanted to take to his mother. He said I 444 00:24:21,079 --> 00:24:24,759 wasn't fit to take care of him. Told him if 445 00:24:24,759 --> 00:24:28,440 he ever tried to take the kids away. I killed him. 446 00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 15: We had a terrible fight. When we got home. I 447 00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:39,400 took a gun and shot him and the kids. I 448 00:24:39,559 --> 00:24:42,960 was crazy killing my old baby. 449 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 3: When I saw little Linda lying on the floor, I 450 00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:49,480 realized what. 451 00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 15: A dreadful thing I did. 452 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,759 Speaker 3: I grabbed her up and over to the hospital. 453 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 8: Who forgives me? 454 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 3: The Lord will never forgive me for this horrible thing ever. 455 00:25:23,319 --> 00:25:25,759 Speaker 4: Now we read you that telegram from William T. Noble 456 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,359 of the Lapire Michigan Press. 457 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,799 Speaker 8: Murderous in Tonight's Big Story, pleaded guilty and was sentenced 458 00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:34,920 to life imprisonment at the Detroit House of Correction. At 459 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,920 the trial, the judge said, there is no power in 460 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,079 this court to punish the accused more than she has 461 00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:42,599 punished herself. For the rest of her life, she will 462 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,640 be faced with the horror of what she did. 463 00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 14: And so ends another Big Story. 464 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,599 Speaker 16: In order to protect the names of people actually involved 465 00:25:58,599 --> 00:26:02,240 into Night's authentic Big Story, the names of all characters 466 00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:04,759 and the dramatization were changed. With the exception of the 467 00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:08,720 newspaper reporter. The Big Story has been a presentation of 468 00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:12,119 the United States Armed Forces Radio Service, the Voice of 469 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:13,920 Information and Education. 470 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: Welcome back. A rough one here. Let's go ahead and 471 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,440 start with the cast information. Mister Noble was played, of 472 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,759 course by Larry Haynes, a veteran of many detective programs. 473 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:46,519 Also in the Ask Pat Howsley, Barbara Weeks, Bill Smith, 474 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:52,079 Bob Dryden, Grant Richards, and Jason Johnson and pretty much 475 00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:57,519 everybody but mister Haynes double one up in this episode. Now, 476 00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:03,519 the story was based on real life events September nineteen 477 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:10,200 forty one where Julie Kohlanich killed her husband, their daughter, 478 00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:15,920 and son, and then she set the fire and killed himself. 479 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,920 And her story was initially believed, but the reporter kept 480 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,519 at it and through several interviews really came to the 481 00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:27,559 conclusion that she was the one who did it, and 482 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,599 she confesssed five months later and was convicted of second 483 00:28:31,599 --> 00:28:36,119 degree murder and manslaughter and was sentenced to life in prison. 484 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,079 And this is a case that illustrates why The Big 485 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,720 Story did things the way they did in terms of 486 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:52,359 changing the names, because Koulanich, when the story was announced, 487 00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:57,200 sued and she wanted to stop the broadcast to quote 488 00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:01,160 unquote preserve her privacy and to protect her from harassment. 489 00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:07,680 Ridicule and humiliation. There was an injunction placed, and then 490 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:14,440 it was appealed in the afternoon, and then the injunction 491 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,440 was vacated, and then the show aired, and Doctor Joe 492 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,200 Web notes in his stories behind the Big Story website 493 00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:27,160 that this suit might have been an effort to annoy 494 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,359 William Noble, who she thought had betrayed her or misled her. 495 00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:35,759 Web notes that information on mister Noble is kind of 496 00:29:35,799 --> 00:29:39,839 hard to find. He bounced around a lot. He went 497 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:45,400 to California for a while and ran some small newspapers 498 00:29:46,079 --> 00:29:50,839 and then ended up coming back to the Michigan area 499 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,799 to Detroit to work for the Free Press for a while, 500 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,680 and then had a lot of freelance gigs into the 501 00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:02,759 nineteen seventy. Well, now it is time to thank our 502 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,920 Patreon supporter of the day. Thank you to Damien, Patreon 503 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,720 supporter since March twenty twenty forty podcast at the rookie 504 00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:15,400 level of two dollars or more per month. Thanks so 505 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,119 much for your support, Damien, and that will do it 506 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,960 for today. If you're enjoying the podcast, please follow up 507 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,279 using your favorite podcast software. And if you're enjoying the 508 00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:30,759 podcast on YouTube, be sure to lock the video, subscribe 509 00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:34,160 to the channel, and mark the notification bell, all those 510 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,599 great things that help YouTube channels to grow. We'll be 511 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,440 back next Tuesday with another episode of the Big Story, 512 00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:45,160 but join us back here tomorrow for Broadways my Bait. 513 00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 8: Where you killed him man tonight, Russ, I didn't kill him. Well, 514 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,519 maybe you didn't mean to it. 515 00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:53,559 Speaker 10: First, Maybe you forgot the boy with fish like yours 516 00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:56,680 deadly weapons we call it. A fighter can kill them 517 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,759 out easy with hands like you. 518 00:30:58,079 --> 00:31:01,119 Speaker 7: I told you you haven't rushed, you haven't told a thing. Excepter. 519 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:01,759 Speaker 11: We were in the bar. 520 00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:05,119 Speaker 17: I was sitting there with my friend. Let's talk him. 521 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,720 This guy came up the slumber drunk, tried to pick 522 00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:12,960 a fight, and they do that sometimes gives him kicks 523 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,720 because I remember I was a fighter once. 524 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 7: Sure, sure they do that. 525 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 8: But this one you took out in the alley, lead 526 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,119 him to death, murdered him. Yeah. 527 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,559 Speaker 17: I took him out in the alley, put my arm 528 00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:27,640 around him and tried to talk to him, reason with him. 529 00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:31,480 I am crazy, I had to do that sometimes. I 530 00:31:31,519 --> 00:31:34,559 walked him up the alley from the bar. He broke away, 531 00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:38,440 pulled a jack knet came after him passed out before 532 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:44,440 he got and he poor, miserable drunk. And after that 533 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,680 I didn't touch him, just walked away from him, turned around, 534 00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:53,200 walked away down the other end of the alley, went home. 535 00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:56,119 Speaker 5: Hello, boy, guess what I got? 536 00:31:57,039 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 8: We give up, Webster? 537 00:31:58,079 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 7: What have you got? 538 00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:01,799 Speaker 18: I'll rip I have eleven rip as corps. 539 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 5: Don't talk to them anymore or us. Boy, you don't 540 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:04,400 have to. 541 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 14: I'm taking you away from all this. 542 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:08,599 Speaker 8: I know, boy, I know. 543 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 11: I'm a friend of a friend of your fellow. 544 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 5: You haven't been very nice to Jack Coby, your. 545 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 18: Former manager, but he's your nice to you coobyl here ye, 546 00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:20,400 I had old Billy Webster counselor. And you're going to 547 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,799 get up and walk out of here just because I 548 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,480 say Sosney. 549 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 7: Boy, Yeah, and you two webs to leave with them. 550 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: Hope you'll be with us then in the meantime. 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