WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.480 --> 00:00:06.280 Welcome to the two seventeen Recovering Broadcast. 2 00:00:06.440 --> 00:00:09.759 If you don't make mistakes, you won't learn. 3 00:00:10.359 --> 00:00:12.839 With your host Corey Winfield. 4 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:13.919 Like, oh my gosh, I'm going into a place and 5 00:00:13.919 --> 00:00:16.800 they're going to be people like talking to balls, And 6 00:00:17.120 --> 00:00:20.160 there was some of that, but it was still pretty 7 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:22.280 cool co host Arnie Winfield. 8 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:25.839 If they don't get that sincere messaging, then they're not 9 00:00:25.879 --> 00:00:28.440 going to have that conversation on a level where maybe 10 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:29.320 you can get through to them. 11 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.320 With special guest Mitchell O'Brien, I really hate to do. 12 00:00:32.359 --> 00:00:34.719 Listen to you guys, but I really have to go 13 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:37.039 to that and out of that, I just like can't 14 00:00:37.039 --> 00:00:37.880 hold it anymore. 15 00:00:38.039 --> 00:00:38.799 Corey Smoker. 16 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:42.880 Sometimes they assume all black people are from African America. 17 00:00:43.759 --> 00:00:44.600 Got your ass? 18 00:00:47.280 --> 00:00:50.359 It is the fourteenth of April twenty twenty five. 19 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:51.280 My name's Corey. 20 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:55.640 Winfield, my name is Marney Winfield, Mitchell O'Brien. 21 00:00:55.560 --> 00:00:57.920 And I'm Corey Smoker, and we have to begin. 22 00:00:59.320 --> 00:01:04.040 If they got to explain in the drop again America, 23 00:01:04.359 --> 00:01:06.200 what are you talking about? These people are. 24 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:08.359 Like, what how are they going to be through? Dist 25 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:10.879 But was the slip hop? 26 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:11.439 Yeah? 27 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:13.280 I did not mean it at all did. 28 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:15.000 You and Marni were at diversity training, right? 29 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:15.599 Is that what it was? 30 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:16.000 Yes? 31 00:01:16.359 --> 00:01:18.719 And you guys were talking about what you had learned 32 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:21.920 that day, and you would It's kind of got in 33 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:22.840 the heat of the moment. 34 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:26.000 I was kind of tired, and then I was just talking. 35 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:29.000 I was excited to share what I had learned. Marnie 36 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:30.799 had to go take care of the baby and left 37 00:01:30.799 --> 00:01:33.319 me out there with you and Jesse, And it was 38 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:36.439 the first mistake we should have paused. 39 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:39.480 It was it was it was. 40 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:46.359 She was speaking about misconceptions about different cultures and reeces. 41 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:52.280 And then she was misconceived. It's yeah, yeah, well Grace, 42 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:53.920 obviously I mean it. 43 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:54.799 I think it is. 44 00:01:54.879 --> 00:01:57.159 But yeah, and how long ago was that. 45 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:01.920 The first conference we went to when I started here, 46 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:02.560 like a week and. 47 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:07.959 A half September. But I know, but it still makes 48 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:10.520 the podcast, so we have to explain it. But no, 49 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:13.000 we have some other explaining to at least Mitchell does. 50 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:17.479 Because we had a crazy busy weekend with you know, 51 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:19.800 family and in it and it's great to get out 52 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:22.360 of the house and gold places, but it's also nice 53 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:24.680 to just kind of chill in one spot how much 54 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:27.759 And Corey, you know, you were. You're getting the house, 55 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:29.719 you know, building it and trying to get it all 56 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:32.280 put together, and so you're kind of busy in packing 57 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:34.039 and Mitch, would you do this weekend? 58 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:37.199 I chilled in one spot for about thirty minutes. 59 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:40.319 Yeah, I heard the story about I'm in here early 60 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:44.080 and putting stuff together, and and I hear you talking 61 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:49.080 about like a can pulled out of something. I'm thinking, 62 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:51.199 like your car got stuck, and like, oh, Mitch, you 63 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:53.599 know I had that truck too much faith in that 64 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:54.680 all wheel drive, you know. 65 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:57.879 And then Corey comes in. She's like, are you hearing this? 66 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:00.280 And she says, oh. 67 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:02.560 They pulled him out. So I'll let you explain the 68 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:04.159 story before I start spoiling it. 69 00:03:04.319 --> 00:03:07.520 Well, I almost had the person I was with get 70 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:10.400 the truck and drive it down on the beach. I 71 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:12.000 was like, I got a toast strap, we can wrap 72 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:13.759 that thing all right. 73 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:16.960 So what happened was so it was a beautiful sunday 74 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:19.039 northern MICHIGANO was like sixty yesterday, right. 75 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:23.680 It was cloudy and windy though, and so we did 76 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:27.000 some yard clean up and went to the scrapyard. We 77 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:33.319 had a couple of fridges and like a water heater going. 78 00:03:33.280 --> 00:03:35.919 Your mom or your son? Like, who who's you? 79 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:38.199 Said? We She starts out as a friend at the 80 00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:41.479 beginning of the story, she ends this is my girlfriend 81 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:44.639 by the end of the story. So I spent kind 82 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:47.960 of hard trying to find a like a nineteen's old 83 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:51.960 to find that it's also closer to my age obviously. 84 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:55.840 Okay, So all right, so you're with a female and 85 00:03:55.879 --> 00:03:57.919 she's helping you clean out, You help her clean out? 86 00:03:57.919 --> 00:03:59.599 Like, what's going on here? Helping her? Yeah? 87 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:02.400 Okay, so you're you're helping her out, you're just say, yo, 88 00:04:02.719 --> 00:04:03.400 just a friend. 89 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:07.199 Well, we've we've had some talks about being more than 90 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:09.719 just friends, but we hadn't taken that leap, and so 91 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:12.000 I just went over there. I got a truck. I 92 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:13.759 had nothing to do that day, so I was like, 93 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:16.519 let's do this, and so we took a couple of 94 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:18.759 trips over to the scrapyard. That was fun. Hadn't been 95 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:20.920 to that one before. It was neat you know, fun. 96 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:24.240 Before we go any further story, I want to check 97 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:28.639 in with our resident therapist to see I just have 98 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:35.079 a question, Marnie. Yes, is there some kind of like 99 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:38.279 I don't want to call it a disability. Mitch, is 100 00:04:38.319 --> 00:04:43.839 there some kind of diagnosis for men who like to 101 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:46.560 take stuff to the scrapyard for women? 102 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:48.879 I can't think of it. I'm trying to see if 103 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:52.360 he's like the scrapyard in particular. No, I don't not at. 104 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:54.680 The top of myosis. 105 00:04:54.839 --> 00:04:59.759 You mean like an addiction to like junk, like helping stuff. 106 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:02.079 Away, because I think that there's something from that, because 107 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:03.839 Mitch and we both know there's a route, there's like 108 00:05:03.879 --> 00:05:05.040 some rooted stuff behind this. 109 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:05.360 Well. 110 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:07.639 I mean I think you just if you walk into 111 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:09.519 someone's house, I think you just want to throw trash away, 112 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:12.279 like that is clutter, that's trash. We're not hoarding, and 113 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:15.079 you just throw it away. I think a house, you know, 114 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:16.920 maybe he was raised obviously that. 115 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:19.160 Would be like that would be anything would be close. 116 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:21.199 So that would be like o c D to where 117 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:22.240 it's like cleanliness. 118 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:24.120 I don't think he has OCD, so I think you're 119 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:27.079 in the father them. It's great. So you've passed my 120 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:29.480 test of just helping somebody out. So you're helping them out, 121 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:34.120 you don't have a disorder or anything out And you 122 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:38.600 said yes, yes, crazy bastard, Well it was great. Masters 123 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:40.639 Ron see if you're into sports, you'd be like, oh man, 124 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:42.360 I gotta see if they let me keep the money 125 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:46.480 for it. Okay, all right, so yeah, all right. So anyway, 126 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:49.439 so scrapyard is where you're going. You're taking stuff there. 127 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:50.519 Yeah. 128 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:53.199 The cool part was that, like this guy's truck died 129 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:54.959 and then he's like, hey, you give me a jump. 130 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:56.319 I was like, I ain't got no cables. He's like 131 00:05:56.360 --> 00:05:57.759 I do. I was a cool, We'll do that, and 132 00:05:57.800 --> 00:05:59.839 we're like in the scrapyard. So he did that, and 133 00:05:59.879 --> 00:06:01.560 then at the end he gave me his jumper cables. 134 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:03.800 He's like, I find these things all over the place, 135 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:05.720 so just take him. I was like, oh sweet. So 136 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:08.560 I just said to give him a drump his truck, 137 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:11.040 and now I got some new drumper cables. It's pretty sweet. 138 00:06:11.079 --> 00:06:14.639 But anyway, Christmas after that we had to attend. Both 139 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:19.120 of the people involved, myself and her have children teenage children. 140 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:21.920 So we have a child, yeah, I have a child, 141 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:26.279 she has multiple so yeah, we made sure that they 142 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:29.120 are situated and doing what they needed to do, and 143 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:30.720 then we're like, what are we going to do. Let's 144 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:33.240 let's go on an adventure whatever, and so I was 145 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:35.920 like Okay, leon Ol County's head to the beach. Why not? 146 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:38.639 We got I got those like scoops that are made 147 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:41.879 out of like ski poles, so you don't have to 148 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:44.240 like be on your hands and knees looking for rocks 149 00:06:44.240 --> 00:06:47.160 and a nonybody knows I'm a rock hunter. One of 150 00:06:47.199 --> 00:06:49.560 my favorite things being out on Lake Michigan beaches. So 151 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:55.040 last weekend, me and this individual hit up a couple 152 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:57.240 of other beaches and this is my all time favorite 153 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:03.120 ones who we were going to this one. Before we 154 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:04.839 could even get there, I was like, Hey, I have 155 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:06.959 a whole bunch of family from Lake Leanland. I want 156 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:09.480 to show you where my family's from. So there's actually 157 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:14.160 a street right around the corner from Lake lelanda the village, 158 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:19.720 not the lake that's got my last name. It's O'Brien Road, 159 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:21.800 which is kind of neat. That's where my grandpa lived 160 00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:25.279 until he passed a bunch of years ago. But so 161 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:27.680 we stopped there, and this should have been like the 162 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:31.040 foreshadowing because we get there and there had just been 163 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:36.199 a t boning accident right right in front of the street. 164 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:39.959 So there's a cop in a wrecker and an old 165 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:43.279 man who's hobbling from one car to another and like, 166 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:46.959 so it was intense, but there was like just enough 167 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:50.199 room in between for me to get into the road. 168 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:51.600 And I was like, we're gonna do it anyway. She's like, 169 00:07:51.639 --> 00:07:53.120 I can't believe you're doing this. I'm like, I'm doing 170 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:54.839 this is my street. They can't keep me on my street. 171 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:57.120 It's got my name right there, you know. So we 172 00:07:57.199 --> 00:07:58.639 go up there and I show her kind of like 173 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:01.959 O'Brien history. Okay, you know, that was neat, And then 174 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:05.639 we came out. I got some for you. Yeahks sad. 175 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:12.040 So you're like, this that's where our grandfather passed. It 176 00:08:12.120 --> 00:08:15.480 kind of was because right around the corner is the 177 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:17.639 cemetery he's buried in. Oh. I was like, there's a 178 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:19.560 whole bunch of O'Brien's back in the right corner of 179 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:20.560 the cemetery. It's great. 180 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:23.600 So you're trying to like prove your worth to her. 181 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:30.199 Okay, So the O'Brien's here, We were here since eighteen 182 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:35.799 sixty three. Twelve of us got killed in the Civil War. 183 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:42.159 That's why they named this road after my grandfather. What 184 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:47.399 he did for the North, it was truly inspiring. 185 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:56.600 They named this whole peninsula after my grandma Leland. Naw, oh, 186 00:08:56.679 --> 00:09:02.240 Mitchell O'Brien, I mean, we'll stop. 187 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:06.240 The funny thing is my brother three weeks ago now 188 00:09:06.919 --> 00:09:11.440 there first, my brother three weeks ago had our first, 189 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:16.679 their first child, a son. They named him Leland, which. 190 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:21.919 Is first child, and we named you after my grandmother Leland. 191 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:28.159 Please, girl, let's go somewhere to make out. 192 00:09:29.080 --> 00:09:33.919 So after all this O'Brien history, it was like the 193 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:35.679 trail of tears almost right. 194 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:38.240 So you're taking them through. 195 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:42.440 Like O'Brien lore. You tell them about the brother man. 196 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:46.960 This is just insane. It's it's going great, and then 197 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:51.279 you decided to you what minche Well. 198 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:54.159 We were gonna go to the beach next, but I 199 00:09:54.200 --> 00:09:58.039 really wanted a picture of O'Brien road street sign obviously 200 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:01.200 I had never gotten one before. So we get there 201 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:04.279 and this accident is still being cleaned up. It's like 202 00:10:04.399 --> 00:10:06.799 the right, I mean, it's not a long street. It 203 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:09.639 took us seven minutes to drive to the end and back. 204 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:10.879 So it's like whatever. 205 00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:13.399 Emergency services have nothing else to do yesterday or what 206 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:15.879 they're not yet milking it, milking the cocky. 207 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:21.240 There's one call on Sunday well they got two. But 208 00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:23.360 h yeah. So I'm like parking in the middle of 209 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:26.279 this like wreckage and I'm sitting there like taking pictures. 210 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:29.559 Not an accident, but the street signed and the police 211 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:31.399 officers off to the left looking at me like what 212 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:33.000 is this guy doing? And I'm like, I'm going over 213 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:34.919 and this is my this is my zone, so get out. 214 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:40.200 My FI shouldn't be recording me. He said, you didn't 215 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:41.039 want to beat up here. 216 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:43.279 Oh, And it was funny because I knew one of 217 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:45.840 the guys that was there in one of the cars, 218 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:49.840 so it was interesting. That's, you know, literally where all 219 00:10:49.879 --> 00:10:54.080 my family comes from. But yeah, so we left there 220 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:57.600 and went to my favorite beach, which is Van's Beach 221 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:02.679 in Leland, Michigan, right on Lake Michigan, just adjacent to 222 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:03.840 the Manitou Islands. 223 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:04.360 It's great. 224 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:06.759 Fishtown's over there. It's a fun place in the summertime. 225 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:10.720 But I got me some muck boots this winter so 226 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:15.480 I could go rock hunting when it's cold, and you know, 227 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:17.279 you don't want to have bare feet and all that. 228 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:21.279 So I just got a little overconfident. But we got 229 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:28.879 out there and they decided to dredge the harbor in Leland. 230 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:31.559 It gets really shallow in the wintertime, to the point 231 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:33.120 that some of the boats can't get in and out. 232 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:36.159 When they do that, I guess they have this giant 233 00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:38.200 pump that they put in the harbor and this huge 234 00:11:38.279 --> 00:11:41.759 hose that goes like one hundred and fifty two hundred 235 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:44.559 yards away down the beach that we wanted like a 236 00:11:44.759 --> 00:11:48.679 big vacuum, Like how do they get confused something like that. 237 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:50.919 I'm not sure how it works on the harbor side, 238 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:53.639 but I was staring for about thirty five minutes right 239 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:56.919 at the receiving end of this thing. It was just 240 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:59.559 a really big tube. Yeah, it was right in front 241 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:04.080 of me. M so you then get you rocked. So 242 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:06.559 it was really it was crazy, like this wash out 243 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:09.679 area where this tube is spraying water and sand from 244 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:13.480 the harbor, Like it's covering an area of like the 245 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:16.759 size of a roughly like a basketball court. So it's 246 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:18.559 like a big deal. It's washed a lot of beach 247 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:21.200 out and I should have known that that was going 248 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:25.360 to make the sand what they were calling unstable later 249 00:12:25.519 --> 00:12:28.519 in the story. But I just want to go find 250 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:29.279 some cool rocks. 251 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:29.480 Man. 252 00:12:29.559 --> 00:12:31.879 They got cool blue rocks there, and so that's what 253 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:35.639 we were doing and you guys like holding hands and stuff. 254 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:40.080 Not yeah yeah, saw you do it? 255 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:42.399 You just like throw out your hand. It's like touch 256 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:44.759 the fingers kind of just you know, just barely, just 257 00:12:44.879 --> 00:12:46.879 like hey, hey, oh is your hand them? 258 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:49.000 Did you just grab it? Like come over here? A 259 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:52.519 woman I think she said. I think she just grabbed 260 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:53.840 it and said come over here, man. 261 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:56.559 And you're like, oh, okay, yeah, well we'll not letting 262 00:12:56.600 --> 00:12:56.799 go that. 263 00:12:56.960 --> 00:12:58.440 That's what we're doing. And I was like, thank you 264 00:12:58.519 --> 00:12:59.919 for that. I've been wanting to do that for a while. 265 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:04.480 Let me show you something. Ounce m yet rock, let 266 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:07.960 me go grab it, hold on, let me Well, we 267 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:10.480 got through the safe part of the beach to this 268 00:13:10.720 --> 00:13:13.480 dangerous part, which I didn't So there's signs that say 269 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:16.679 it's dangerous, there's not, but there actually might be today 270 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:21.720 but there wasn't at the time. Found a couple of 271 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:23.679 cool rocks. It was sweet. But we only had a 272 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:26.000 little section of beach that wasn't affected. And we got 273 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:27.200 over there and I was like, I really want to 274 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:29.679 get to the other side of this washed out area 275 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:31.360 because I think there's a good stuff over there. So 276 00:13:32.200 --> 00:13:33.840 we're kind of just like picking her way through it, 277 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:39.519 and I'm not paying attention, like a looking water direction, 278 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:43.480 and she literally goes, that looks really dangerous over there, 279 00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:46.720 And I thought she meant this whole washed out area, 280 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:50.720 but she was pointing at an exact spot in the 281 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:53.080 like where the water the waves hit the beach, like 282 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:57.600 right there, And so she then turns around to pick 283 00:13:57.639 --> 00:13:59.799 a rock up. She's not paying attention to what I'm 284 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:04.200 doing thing, and apparently I turned around and blined it 285 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:10.399 for that spot. The beach just went I could have had, 286 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:12.879 I could have went anywhere, but I went right there 287 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:16.600 to where she was like, that looks dangerous and uh yeah, 288 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:19.200 I got to where the water was about an inch 289 00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:23.480 or too thick and thick deep deep, Yeah, it's definitely deep. 290 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:28.440 Think of something out to that later. And the ground 291 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:31.559 just kind of opened up and swallowed me up and 292 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:36.519 I went down like all just this. We've been calling 293 00:14:36.559 --> 00:14:41.600 it either like a quicksand sinkhole, like a quicksand hole, 294 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:45.600 and I just want to report I haven't said this. 295 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:47.879 I've waited to the pot for the podcast. Is the 296 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:50.919 first thing out of my pockets on my descent into 297 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:55.440 the hole was my phone, nice, followed by my keys 298 00:14:56.600 --> 00:14:58.519 and I did not have enough time to save the 299 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:01.840 bait the baite that was on. But I'm like sitting 300 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:04.200 there with my arm straight up in the air holding 301 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:07.759 my phone and my keys, and uh yeah, I had 302 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:11.080 had enough time to like I was trying to turn around. 303 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:14.519 So now my like butt end is pointed straight out 304 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:18.279 to the what feels like a frigid ocean to me 305 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:25.320 because the water's not warm right now. Yeah, so you're 306 00:15:25.480 --> 00:15:26.440 up to your waist, was it? 307 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:29.559 Uh, yeah, it's about And because Corey showed me, there's 308 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:32.360 no I'm like, there's pictures of it, there's no just about. 309 00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:33.759 I was up to my waist. 310 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:35.879 Like imagine like if if you've ever been to the beach, 311 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:38.000 if you've been in Lake Michigan or maybe an ocean, 312 00:15:38.519 --> 00:15:41.000 you know, like where the water comes up, you know, 313 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:42.360 it's that that's sandy. 314 00:15:42.440 --> 00:15:43.159 It's kind of hard. 315 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:45.080 You know, you can make like little castles out of it, 316 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:48.120 you know, and you're just walking along and then whoop, 317 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:49.879 I'm to my waist. 318 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:52.480 Like everybody knows what sand feels like to walk on it. 319 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:54.840 It's a little firmer than drive sand and that stuff 320 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:57.279 like that. So I was dealing with that until it wasn't. 321 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:01.120 And it was basically like stepping into liquid almost and 322 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:03.399 then it just went right up and I was I 323 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:06.159 had enough. I tried to turn around and like step out, 324 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:08.840 so I was able to not get my right foot 325 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:11.399 as stuck as my left foot, but my left foot 326 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:15.639 was straight down like I was standing, even though like 327 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:18.720 if you look at the pictures, you's literally waste. I 328 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:21.320 was up to my waist in this quicksand and water. 329 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:25.000 And at first, right when it happened, the water was 330 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:28.240 kind of choppy, so it was like splashing waves up 331 00:16:28.279 --> 00:16:32.240 on my back. So it's like like like water splashing, 332 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:34.600 and that was real fun. But it kind of calmed 333 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:37.399 down after like fifteen or twenty minutes. You kinda check 334 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:41.519 in with the therapist again. All right, So what about 335 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:44.519 those guys that there has to be a name for it? 336 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:47.799 Maybe it's in the DSM five guys who want to 337 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:53.799 be saved? Like is there out there? I know I 338 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:55.320 maybe was one two? Who knows? 339 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:57.720 I mean, I'm sure there may be a diagnosis that 340 00:16:57.960 --> 00:16:59.559 falls underneath, like the criter. 341 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:03.320 And he's taking, isn't he taking? 342 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:04.240 Now? 343 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:06.880 Like are you talking about like you hook up with 344 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:09.599 this girl and watch this like she likes saving people. 345 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:15.680 Yeah, you're talking about fixers, know that saving That was 346 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:17.720 that was a comment that was made as a joke 347 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:18.720 while this was happening. 348 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:21.720 It was Captain save a ho save a dude or 349 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:25.319 I don't know, captain save a do there you go, 350 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:32.599 sergeants save a So you're dating well so so she 351 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:35.680 so like you're in this and you're like, oh my god, 352 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:38.160 and you probably realized quickly like this is going to 353 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:41.559 be a huge problem. Obviously you don't watch Survivor. Martie 354 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:43.160 and I watched Survivor. We would have made it out 355 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:46.359 of this no problem, because you clearly you belly roll 356 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:49.680 on quicksand we've we've seen it right, right, so. 357 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:52.759 There's a problem with that. So this is actually my 358 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:56.200 third run in with Quicksand in northern Michigan, which is 359 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:58.559 blowing people's minds. That's why I needed to get pictures 360 00:17:58.599 --> 00:18:00.759 of it, because I was afraid people weren't going to 361 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:04.880 believe me. This is the first time I've ever needed 362 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:08.000 to because last time was on a beach just south 363 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:11.839 of where we were, and it was like last fallish, 364 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:17.480 like late August, early September, and I was able to 365 00:18:17.559 --> 00:18:19.359 like spin around, get down on my butt and scoop 366 00:18:19.839 --> 00:18:21.319 and so that's kind of what I was trying to do, 367 00:18:22.039 --> 00:18:24.880 and it didn't work out. As soon as my left 368 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:26.720 leg went all the way down to where it was, 369 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:30.920 I was waist deep that deeper sand like hardened and 370 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:35.000 there was no moving like I couldn't wiggle anything like 371 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:36.880 that sand just got around it and there was like 372 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:42.359 completely immobilized even a little bit. So I spent fifteen 373 00:18:42.519 --> 00:18:46.039 minutes trying to dig myself out with my hands until 374 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:47.839 I did it basically with my hands until I couldn't 375 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:49.000 feel them anymore. 376 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:52.000 And then my like stick thing because the water is 377 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:56.519 so cold and it is very cold. And then so 378 00:18:56.920 --> 00:18:58.279 did you think this is how I'm going to die? 379 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:01.559 Or did you think that your lady friend, being the 380 00:19:01.839 --> 00:19:05.400 sergeant savor of douches, was gonna get you out of this? 381 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:08.359 I'm I'm glad you asked me that question when you did, 382 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:16.079 because she immediately goes into a full blown sergeant panic attack. 383 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:20.920 Oh like deabilitating panic attack, not like you're gonna die, 384 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:24.839 calm collected, like this is terrible, you know, And no, 385 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:28.359 she did it because she cares, you know, she cares, 386 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:32.240 and she was worried about me, but so it quickly 387 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:37.920 turned into me trying to dig myself out and calm 388 00:19:38.039 --> 00:19:43.759 her down, coach her through breathing, like calming down. And 389 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:46.000 at one point later on, she's like, how are you 390 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:48.440 the calm one? You're the one that's in the life 391 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:50.519 threatening situation and I'm the one that's freaking out. And 392 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:52.319 I'm like, well, you know, I was going to freak 393 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:56.519 out till I saw you freaking out. Serge, You're definitely 394 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:02.319 not taking you in a battle. Geez, that's horrible. Hopefully 395 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:04.440 you didn't judge her too bad because of that. No, No, 396 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:07.960 I was actually really thankful that she didn't like leave. 397 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:11.279 And you're like, you know, we should be dating now. 398 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:14.160 But so you get to get the fire department out 399 00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:16.880 there to like, yep, throw a lasso to you and 400 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:18.880 then they would tie it to their jeep. 401 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:21.680