WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.919 This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:05.839 AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand 3 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:10.599 on the iHeartRadio app. Those two New York Yankees fans 4 00:00:10.640 --> 00:00:13.199 who were ejected from Game four last night for interfering 5 00:00:13.199 --> 00:00:15.279 with Mookie Betts's catch have. 6 00:00:15.599 --> 00:00:18.399 Been banned from Game five to night. 7 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:22.039 The league and the club released a statement saying that 8 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:25.600 they will not be permitted at the game. They said, 9 00:00:25.679 --> 00:00:28.559 last night, two fans were ejected from Yankee Stadium for 10 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:32.479 a grageous and unacceptable physical contact with Mooky Betts. The 11 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:35.719 safety and security of players, fans, and stadium staff is 12 00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:38.920 the foundational element of every event at Yankee Stadium. 13 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:40.880 And if you saw the highlights, you saw the guy 14 00:00:41.719 --> 00:00:45.359 who grabbed Mooki's hand, grabbed his wrist. He was trying 15 00:00:45.399 --> 00:00:47.799 to explain to the security guys they were on the 16 00:00:47.799 --> 00:00:50.600 field something. He's kind of running his hand back and 17 00:00:50.600 --> 00:00:53.359 forth along the top of the wall like he crossed 18 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:53.880 the wall. 19 00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:57.479 And that's like we have free he can touch the players. Bro, 20 00:00:57.799 --> 00:01:00.600 your job is you're with the play patrol the wall. 21 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:02.640 But he and that was the other thing is that 22 00:01:02.679 --> 00:01:05.879 he was telling again somehow an ESPN reporter producer caught 23 00:01:05.920 --> 00:01:09.000 up with these guys after or after they were kicked 24 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:11.560 out a bar, assume they just followed him right outside 25 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:15.120 the game, but was asking them about what do you know, 26 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:18.640 what were you thinking? And they said they regularly sit 27 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:21.680 there and they regularly have that discussion of what they 28 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:25.359 would do if that exact play comes to them in 29 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:29.079 that the ball comes their way or the player catches 30 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:30.840 the ball and kind of falls into the stands or 31 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:33.599 something like that. And they've said repeatedly, we're gonna, We're 32 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:37.920 gonna d up. You gonna You're not guarding the basket 33 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:39.239 in the NBA. 34 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:40.319 You d'd up. 35 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:43.040 Yeah, bro yea dead up. So we haven't died up 36 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:45.760 since Little League. And even then you were on the 37 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:46.920 left side of the pine. 38 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:50.719 See the Yankees forced at least a game five with 39 00:01:50.760 --> 00:01:52.799 an eleven to four win over the Dodgers last night. 40 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:55.400 They'll play again tonight five aweight. For his pitch, This 41 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:58.079 will be a pitching rematch. It looks like from game one, 42 00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:01.760 so Jack Flaherty against Garrett Well. 43 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:06.840 A lot of pollsters respected pollsters were wildly off in 44 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:10.919 the twenty sixteen and twenty twenty presidential elections. Will this 45 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:14.639 stay status quo for this one. It's where we kick 46 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:16.319 off swamp watch. 47 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:19.400 Swamp is horrible, the government doesn't work. 48 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:22.800 Man, gonna make it like a reality TV shoot. 49 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:25.560 Corp was a bad doos always. 50 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:28.120 A pleasure to be anywhere from Washington, d C. Hey, Joe. 51 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:30.560 A town hall too. 52 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:33.719 Clearly built on a swamp and in so many ways. 53 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:34.120 Still a swamp. 54 00:02:34.240 --> 00:02:35.400 I have a batch of malarkey. 55 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:37.280 What he said, drained the swamp? I said, Oh, that's 56 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:40.199 so he keep yepp wash. 57 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:43.319 You know. The thing is the polling that we do 58 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:45.960 in this country, is the system broken? Do we need 59 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:48.800 to correct some fixes in methodology? 60 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:50.599 Eight years ago? 61 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:53.840 And I do think part just disclaimer And for me, 62 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:57.680 I do think part of that is with Trump, because 63 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:00.360 I do think there's a section of the population that 64 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:03.280 will vote for him, but we'll never admit it to anybody. 65 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:06.400 Yeah quiet, what are they called quiet Trump voters? 66 00:03:06.479 --> 00:03:07.199 Or yeah? 67 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:10.520 So eight years ago, the national polls predicted an easy 68 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:14.639 victory for Hillary Right up until election day. Nine to 69 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:20.680 ten polls overstated her support. In twenty twenty, polls showed 70 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:24.680 Biden with a strong lead over Trump. Just before the election, 71 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:28.560 Biden led by eight point four points in five thirty 72 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:35.759 eight's average seven point two points in Real Clear Politics average. However, 73 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:39.319 he won the popular vote by less than four point 74 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:43.080 five points, just enough for the electoral college victory. 75 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:46.000 That doesn't seem like that big of an error. You know, 76 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:48.240 even if you take the larger of those two the 77 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:51.719 eight point four percent lead for Biden in five thirty 78 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:54.280 eight down to four point five, that's only you know, 79 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:57.039 that's a four point difference, and a lot of those 80 00:03:57.080 --> 00:03:59.319 polls that would be within the margin of error if 81 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:03.080 they were using this methodology. But that's four percent of 82 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:06.120 one hundred and fifty five million votes is a lot. 83 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:08.639 But I'll tell you this, it may not seem like 84 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:12.560 a lot. But if the polls are off by that 85 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:18.160 margin this year, then her lead, Kamala Harris's lead could 86 00:04:18.160 --> 00:04:22.560 mean Trump is actually ahead and heading for an electoral landslide. 87 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:23.800 Yeah. 88 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:25.839 Yeah, I mean, if you look at just the the 89 00:04:26.360 --> 00:04:33.000 that Real Clear Politics average since say late June, this 90 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:35.519 would have taken into account the debate, It would have 91 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:39.959 taken into account the assassination attempt, Biden dropping out. The 92 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:42.240 two tickets, whether it's Harris or Biden at the top 93 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:45.000 of the Democratic ticket, they've never been separated by more 94 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:48.800 than about two percentage points for the average of polls. 95 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:50.720 There were polls that were much bigger than that, but 96 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:54.600 the average of polls, and as of right now, Real 97 00:04:54.680 --> 00:04:59.199 Clear Politics says that Trump has taken back some of 98 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:05.000 the momentum and leads by four tenths of a percent 99 00:05:05.839 --> 00:05:08.759 in the Real Clear Politics average. And this is after 100 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:13.439 oh gosh, a couple of months of Harris leading. Back 101 00:05:13.480 --> 00:05:16.199 in the beginning of August, she took the lead again 102 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:19.480 by mere tenths of a percentage point, but that she 103 00:05:19.600 --> 00:05:21.560 has been leading most of the time until just the 104 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:24.439 last few days, when Trump has climbed back up on 105 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:28.399 top of those the average of polls. 106 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:34.959 There was an article in Reason about well, here's the headline, 107 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:39.120 Trump is not thoughtful enough to be a fascist. And 108 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:44.240 I think they have a point there. I don't think 109 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:50.519 he's not planning out a world denomination, domination, domination. Excuse me, No, 110 00:05:50.560 --> 00:05:53.720 He's an egomaniac. 111 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:57.480 Take that for what you will, good or bad. 112 00:05:58.040 --> 00:06:02.040 He's all about winning himself, winning and his brand and 113 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:06.959 his name. He's not about dominating the country or the 114 00:06:06.959 --> 00:06:11.519 world with his political schemes and militaries. Is he A 115 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:15.160 lot of people believe he is, but that they hit 116 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:18.560 on that he's not thoughtful enough. He hasn't sat down 117 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:20.360 and cocktail napkinder that it's. 118 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:21.240 Not what motivates him. 119 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:25.639 No, his selfishness motivates him, right, But I don't know 120 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:28.839 if it extends any further than that. Well, obviously we've 121 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:31.279 talked about the negative views that people have when it 122 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:34.079 comes to politics. We'll be talking in just a couple 123 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:39.040 moments with Denise Gitcham about this report. Sixty five percent 124 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:43.160 of Americans say they always or often feel exhausted when 125 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:44.240 they think about politics. 126 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:46.560 Do you want your jeopardy question first? Before we have 127 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:47.360 a guest, Give. 128 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:49.439 Me that elmer, Give me that computer? Sound over there? 129 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:54.759 The home phones for one thousand dollars. 130 00:06:55.600 --> 00:07:04.360 A sense of style and a sudden solar explosion. Homophones 131 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:07.240 are words that sound the same but are spelled differently. 132 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:14.040 What are the two things? A solar explosion? 133 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:18.120 A sudden solar explosion and a sense of style? 134 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:21.600 No idea what you're going for? 135 00:07:21.839 --> 00:07:22.199 Flair? 136 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:25.800 Ah okay, I was thinking Corona. 137 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:29.720 I did not get that either, huh okay, So we're 138 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:31.800 just dumb, dumb, run and dumb dumb too. 139 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:35.800 Well, that's that would go along with what our talkbacks 140 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:36.480 are saying today. 141 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:38.920 Really just a little bit. Thank you for shielding me 142 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:39.279 from that. 143 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:41.800 Well, some of them are just not necessary, and some 144 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:43.560 of them have been forward with law enforcement. 145 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:45.000 So that's oh great. 146 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:50.439 You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI 147 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:51.600 am six forty. 148 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:54.680 Well, we've been reporting this to you. 149 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:58.360 According to Pew Research, sixty five percent of Americans say 150 00:07:58.399 --> 00:08:02.480 they always or often feel exhausted when they think about politics. 151 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:07.120 Relationships with friends and family have been strained in this 152 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:12.839 election year, and News Nation political contributor Denise Gits has 153 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:15.519 joined us today. She actually wrote a book that I 154 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:18.560 can't wait to get my hands on politics for people 155 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:22.040 who hate politics, How to engage without losing your friends 156 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:23.240 or selling your soul. 157 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:25.639 Denise, thank you for your time this morning. 158 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:29.959 Thanks for having me on. What a fitting title, right, 159 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:32.039 So this week in particular. 160 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:34.919 Perfect give me your snapshot of where we stand a 161 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:37.559 few days out from election day without using the words 162 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:39.039 garbage or Puerto Rico. 163 00:08:40.720 --> 00:08:43.919 Well, gosh, that's so hard for everyone, it seems these days. Listen, 164 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:46.559 you know, I think this napshot is that you know, 165 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:48.000 I don't know who's going to win. I'm like the 166 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:49.720 worst one with the crystal ball, and I've been in 167 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:52.039 this game for twenty five years. But what I do 168 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:54.279 know is that whoever wins, we're going to have to 169 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:56.039 live with our neighbors that we may or may not 170 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:58.200 agree with after election day, and we're going to have 171 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:00.240 to decide what kind of a country we want to have. 172 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:03.559 And that country can either be one that falls apart 173 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:06.080 because of our internal division, or it can be one 174 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:08.279 where we can stand in the truth that we know 175 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:13.000 for ourselves and respectfully disagree with those who have some 176 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:15.600 who have a different truth from ours. And I think 177 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:17.799 that that's something that we have not made an art 178 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:20.360 of or even an intention of, but it is going 179 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:22.919 to determine what kind of country we have at the 180 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:25.039 end of this election, regardless of who wins. 181 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:29.919 You mentioned engaging in politics God's way, what does that entail? 182 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:34.519 So you know, I'm a Christian and one of the 183 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:36.720 things that God caused us to do is not only 184 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:41.039 love Him, but love our neighbors and our enemies as 185 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:45.039 we love ourselves. And so you know, I tend to 186 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:47.799 love myself a lot. Unfortunately, I'm not quite as good 187 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:49.320 as I wish that I were, and I think if 188 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:52.840 God wants me a lot of other people, especially people 189 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:55.559 I disagree with. Often when I find myself doing when 190 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:58.639 I'm in a heated argument about politics, is that I 191 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:02.720 tend to start judging the person instead of debating the idea. 192 00:10:03.159 --> 00:10:06.240 And when we go from the belief system that I'm 193 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:09.799 right and you're wrong transfers to I'm good and you're bad, 194 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:12.039 that's when things get off the rail and we become 195 00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:15.399 really self righteous, and we lose the humility that we 196 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:18.320 need and that God calls us to as a Christian, 197 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:22.360 God calls me to be humble. And I have to 198 00:10:22.399 --> 00:10:25.519 remind myself constantly that I don't know why that person 199 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:28.639 came to the conclusion they came to, but I guarantee 200 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:31.399 you they have a legitimate reason for it, and it's 201 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:34.399 my job to humbly ask why, because I have to 202 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:37.360 recognize that I have blind spots. You know, we all do. 203 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:41.240 There was a comment that JD. 204 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:43.559 Vance made, and it was actually on a News Nation 205 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:47.960 town hall from last week, where he referred to politics 206 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:51.080 as obviously it's an important part of our society, but 207 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:53.720 it's not the thing that we should lose relationships over 208 00:10:53.799 --> 00:10:58.399 If you're losing friendships or you're alienating family members because 209 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:00.519 of their politics, you're doing it wrong. 210 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:05.039 We all. And I haven't say this again. I am 211 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:07.200 somebody who wrote this book. I feel like God downloaded 212 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:08.840 on me because I'm not smart enough to think of 213 00:11:08.879 --> 00:11:11.200 these things or even to live them out. I'm constantly 214 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:13.759 preaching at myself, so trust me, I'm not pointing at 215 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:16.039 anyone else. But i will say that we tend to 216 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:19.240 lose sight of that reality, especially in this last week 217 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:22.399 as the election, you know, is finalizing, and what we 218 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:24.440 have to realize is the holidays are right around the corner. 219 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:26.799 We're going to be sitting across the table from family 220 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:29.200 members that we love that we probably disagree with, and 221 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:31.480 somehow we're able to channel that grace and love to 222 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:33.799 them because you know, they're blood most of the time. 223 00:11:34.159 --> 00:11:36.919 But that same grace and love and humility that we 224 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:39.600 need to experience for ourselves in understanding that we're not 225 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:41.919 the only idea out there and we're not always the 226 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:44.759 most legitimate one, has to be something that we walk 227 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:49.240 around consciously holding onto as the election pans out and 228 00:11:49.279 --> 00:11:51.480 we move into a season that's supposed to be marked 229 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:54.720 by love, respect, and at the very least, civility towards 230 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:55.200 one another. 231 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:59.320 I often talk about and I think an important thing 232 00:11:59.480 --> 00:12:03.639 is listening, listening to each other, not just talking over 233 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:07.519 each other because you're you know, set on on your 234 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:08.519 point or what. 235 00:12:08.399 --> 00:12:09.480 You believe to be true. 236 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:09.960 Yeah. 237 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:12.279 But as we get closer to election day, I'm thinking, 238 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:15.600 if people are losing relationships over this, or strained relationship 239 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:18.559 with the friends and family, is it even worth having 240 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:22.240 the conversation with somebody else about politics anymore? 241 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:27.240 Yes, because I think that unless we and this is 242 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:31.759 the difference between unity and conformity. So often we confuse 243 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:34.840 conforming just giving in, you know, let's go along to 244 00:12:34.840 --> 00:12:37.600 get along, as though that we're somehow going to change 245 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:40.480 the way we felt about people we disagreed with inside 246 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:42.679 and this is as much of an inside dealism as 247 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:45.879 an outside job. We have to be able to stand 248 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:49.159 on the fullness of God's truth that we see like 249 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:51.840 are the truth as we see it. In order to 250 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:54.840 be fully known and to engage in real relationship, we 251 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:57.440 can't be parading around as somebody else or putting our 252 00:12:57.480 --> 00:13:00.679 own beliefs to the side. So I encourage everyone don't 253 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:04.600 give up your belief system, hold on to that truth, 254 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:06.840 but do what the apostle Paul said, which is to 255 00:13:06.919 --> 00:13:10.240 speak the truth in love. How we say things is 256 00:13:10.360 --> 00:13:13.480 as important in our in our emotional state towards people, 257 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:16.600 is as important as the truth that we stand for. 258 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:19.639 So it's not easy. I struggle with it all the time, 259 00:13:19.799 --> 00:13:21.919 especially in this last week where I'm going to be debating, 260 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:23.679 you know, folks on the other side of the aisle 261 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:26.559 about who's better for our country. But what matters the 262 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:29.399 most is our intention in our heart to love people 263 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:30.240 and to honor them. 264 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:32.120 Well, let me ask you about that, Denise, because I 265 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:36.039 also saw an interview that Bill Maher did with Megan 266 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:38.960 Kelly from last week's show, and he said he kind 267 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:41.840 of led into it with One of the frustrations that 268 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:45.759 he has as a political commentator is he believes he's intelligent, 269 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:47.480 and he only brings people on the show that he 270 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:52.279 believes are intelligent. How can two very intelligent people disagree 271 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:55.279 so wildly on issues like that? When you find yourself 272 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:57.519 in a position where you're when you're having a debate 273 00:13:57.559 --> 00:14:01.440 with somebody, at the end of it, do you find 274 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:04.679 yourself eat? I mean, you've kind of alluded that it's 275 00:14:04.679 --> 00:14:07.879 not always easy, But do you find yourself able to 276 00:14:07.919 --> 00:14:11.279 reach your hand across and say, hey, we may disagree, 277 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:13.000 but we're all in this together. 278 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:17.559 It has to be an intention that I said where 279 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:19.879 I say, I'm not going to walk away from this conversation, 280 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:22.399 just frustrated that someone as smart as you could have 281 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:24.840 such dumb ideas right, which is truly what I believe. 282 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:27.720 I'm just being honest, but because I always think that 283 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:31.159 I'm right obviously, but I'm not always right. And I 284 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:35.559 think the awareness the intentionality of saying, look, this person 285 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:38.720 is smart. I acknowledge that, and I'm not always right. 286 00:14:38.840 --> 00:14:40.720 I acknowledge that as well, as hard as that might 287 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:42.679 be in the middle of an election season. So I'm 288 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:44.720 going to actually go a step further than just walking 289 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:47.399 away from this conversation leaving things unsaid, and I'm going 290 00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:50.639 to ask that person to drink or to coffee or 291 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:53.759 to dinner and really get to know the person so 292 00:14:53.799 --> 00:14:57.360 that I can better be open to or understand why 293 00:14:57.399 --> 00:15:00.039 they've arrived where they arrived and every single time, and 294 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:02.720 that I've done that sometimes against my own really will 295 00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:05.600 like my better self. It doesn't often come out in 296 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:08.440 those situation. But when I give into my better self, 297 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:12.600 I'm always rewarded with not only a better understanding of 298 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:14.080 what the people on the other side of the aisle 299 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:17.200 think for me, which helps me understand my position better 300 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:21.000 or moderate it, but it actually helps me love that person, 301 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:22.559 and that, to me is the real win. 302 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:24.559 Yeah, you know, that's a really good point. 303 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:29.039 After twenty sixteen and Donald Trump's president, and I'm thinking, 304 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:32.080 how did this happen? And I actually read JD Vance's book, 305 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:35.720 and it helped me understand what other people with different 306 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:38.759 life experiences where they're at in their life that made 307 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:42.080 them feel forgotten by the elite political parties and all 308 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:44.399 of that. And you know, it goes back to the 309 00:15:44.440 --> 00:15:47.000 fact that we're all humans, you know, the other side. 310 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:50.360 They're not monsters, they're not bad people. We all have 311 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:53.840 some shared things, but just different paths that lead us 312 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:56.960 to where we are and where we lie politically. I 313 00:15:57.000 --> 00:15:59.399 wanted to just quote your book because I always go 314 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:02.240 back to this, and it's the people that I truly 315 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:05.759 respect that built the country. The founding fathers that George 316 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:10.159 Washington believed that political parties would divide and destroy the 317 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:16.919 fledgling nation knew that unity was essential to survival. You 318 00:16:16.960 --> 00:16:21.039 know that James Madison wrote that a well constructed union 319 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:25.919 should break and control the violence of faction. Alexander Hamilton 320 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:30.120 calling political parties the most fatal disease of popular governments, 321 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:33.360 and that John Adams's greatest fear was a division of 322 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:36.879 the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its 323 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:40.879 leader in concerting measures and opposition to each other. They 324 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:47.240 all warned against exactly where we're at. Unfortunately, unfortunately their 325 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:53.360 warnings didn't last long. Political parties quickly rose to power. Right, 326 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:56.360 So it's like we've been in this this fight for 327 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:59.639 a long time. It's not new, which is kind of comforting, 328 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:03.600 but also it's just as dangerous as it always has been. 329 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:07.960 It has been, But I think that it's less dangerous 330 00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:13.559 when we set our minds to recognizing that divisions are inevitable. 331 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:16.680 Look the way that not in amongst ourselves, but the 332 00:17:16.720 --> 00:17:19.839 way we think about things. Everyone has different experiences, so 333 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:22.640 we all are going to have different perspectives on the 334 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:24.440 same issues. I mean, when you look at those things 335 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:26.480 on Instagram where it's like a picture and it's like 336 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:28.839 what do you see? Half the people see one thing 337 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:30.880 it's like a witch and the other person's like, that's 338 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:33.799 a cat. You know, like you never really know. Everyone 339 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:36.559 just sees things so differently. It's how we were created. 340 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:38.720 It's part of the beauty of our diversity, especially here 341 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:41.519 in California. We get to have different perspectives. That makes 342 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:45.920 it stronger, not weaker. The difference always lies in what 343 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:48.839 we allow ourselves to believe about why people are different. 344 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:50.720 And that goes back to what I was saying before, 345 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:53.640 is that when we approach with humility, when we talk 346 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:57.039 about like, yes, we're different, that's okay, help me to 347 00:17:57.119 --> 00:17:59.839 understand why and then really come with an open heart. 348 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:04.039 That's the challenging part. It lies within us, whether or 349 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:07.519 not our country is irrabically ruined from within and divided, 350 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:09.920 or whether we hold each other's hands and say left, 351 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:11.319 we're not going to agree on everything. We don't have 352 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:13.799 to talk about everything all the time that we disagree about, 353 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:16.119 but I guarantee you there's more that we agree about 354 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:16.720 than we don't. 355 00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:19.160 Denise, thank you so much for your time today. 356 00:18:20.480 --> 00:18:21.759 Thanks for having me on guys. 357 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:24.839 You bet News Nation political contributor Denise Gitcham, and again 358 00:18:24.920 --> 00:18:28.680 the Book of Politics for people who hate politics. 359 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:33.720 You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI 360 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:34.599 AM six. 361 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:37.960 Forty Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio. 362 00:18:38.039 --> 00:18:40.279 I'm glad we said that because of one of France's 363 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:44.799 oldest spooky legends of It's most gruesome. Please tell me 364 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:47.400 it involves a walking headless corpse. 365 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:50.480 I don't want to waste Justin's time with you. 366 00:18:50.519 --> 00:18:52.920 What's the French way to say boo? Is it like boo? 367 00:18:53.799 --> 00:19:00.839 Is it more spelled b e a yeah, very tongue 368 00:19:00.880 --> 00:19:05.960 for or is it b e a x no. 369 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:07.039 That would be cajun. 370 00:19:07.279 --> 00:19:07.599 Got it? 371 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:10.839 B e a u x okay would be bo. 372 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:13.400 Get to that coming up in the next hour. Whoa 373 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:17.799 France's oldest spooky bez. I don't want to waste Justin's time. 374 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:18.200 I got it. 375 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:25.440 Justin Worsham has joined us and we talked with We 376 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:29.039 talk with Justin about issues of parenting, which is always fun. 377 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:32.480 People in their forties with no kids give similar responses 378 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:35.000 when they're asked, how does it feel no kids? 379 00:19:35.079 --> 00:19:35.440 Heaven? 380 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:44.640 Look at she's so happy in her life. And what 381 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:46.640 I also think is funny is that there are people 382 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:49.799 who wish who would wish you to have kids. 383 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:50.880 Two different reasons. 384 00:19:50.880 --> 00:19:53.359 I mean, but but but some people would be like, well, 385 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:56.559 you you'd know more about a parent's perspective if you 386 00:19:56.640 --> 00:19:59.079 had kids, which is dumb, that's an obvious thing. Or 387 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:01.440 anybody who somebody would say, I want you to have 388 00:20:01.480 --> 00:20:03.200 kids because you want to. I want you to experience 389 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:05.319 the joy of what it could be, but also come 390 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:07.279 with that comes with a lot of dirty diapers and 391 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:08.920 things like that, which is not choice. 392 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:11.799 People who want people like if I was genuinely I 393 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:15.519 originally started doing this segment to validate all of Shannon's 394 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:16.079 life choices. 395 00:20:16.160 --> 00:20:18.160 That was the original plan. 396 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:22.319 When I just to make well, no, the ones that 397 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:26.119 are kid related. I guess I'm not taking for any 398 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:28.839 any other ven diagram you made up in your own dome. 399 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:34.920 But uh, it's anybody who's trying to talk to somebody 400 00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:37.599 who does not have kids into having kids. I really 401 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:40.720