WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.839 You see, some things are going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What's going to happen? 3 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:15.519 What? 4 00:00:24.519 --> 00:00:28.160 Welcome to the Occult Rejects this episode. 5 00:00:28.239 --> 00:00:30.160 I got a bunch of rejects with me tonight, and 6 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:32.359 I got we're going to start it off with Lisa 7 00:00:32.719 --> 00:00:34.399 the Occult reject mad Scientist. 8 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:35.920 What is going on? Lisa? How are you? 9 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:40.119 I am good. I'm really looking forward to this talk. 10 00:00:40.880 --> 00:00:45.000 I heard about Soul a little bit and his mentions 11 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:48.439 as the DNA, and I got really excited, and so 12 00:00:48.479 --> 00:00:50.520 I'm really looking forward to this and thank y'all for 13 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:53.119 having me. Looking forward to the conversation with the rest 14 00:00:53.159 --> 00:00:54.520 of the fellow cult rejects. 15 00:00:55.039 --> 00:00:57.399 Listen, no, thank you very much for making time coming on, 16 00:00:58.119 --> 00:01:01.320 and we got Fredder and Jan the Ninja. 17 00:01:01.640 --> 00:01:02.560 What is going on, sir? 18 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:05.640 The Hey boss? What's up? I should say? 19 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:09.680 Hey, Cardinal, I guess the frauder returns. So, hey, I'm 20 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:12.359 Jima Ninja. I have a show called Threshold Saints, which 21 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:17.239 is about serial experiments and speculative ontology. So we're listening 22 00:01:17.280 --> 00:01:20.319 to a Soul discuss of it, like his speculative gnostism. Well, 23 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:23.519 that's exactly what my show's about and what I also 24 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:25.719 do on Fridays, and so we have a new episode 25 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:29.000 of The Gray Lodge coming out tomorrow, so join us live. 26 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:29.400 If you want to. 27 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:32.280 Well, yeah, and yeah, that's the way, and you can 28 00:01:32.280 --> 00:01:33.920 find my links in the bottom. And thank you to 29 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:36.400 the rejects. We're on and it's always great to work 30 00:01:36.439 --> 00:01:36.959 with you guys. 31 00:01:37.359 --> 00:01:39.760 Hell yeah, thank you very much. I appreciate you joining us. 32 00:01:39.799 --> 00:01:43.319 Woman and to the Headless Giant is next? What is 33 00:01:43.359 --> 00:01:43.760 going on? 34 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:45.439 Sir? Thank you very much for making. 35 00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:49.040 It absolutely fresh out of work. So if you have 36 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:53.640 any sort of occult stories or any kind of magical 37 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:56.519 mystical mail bag items, you can send it to my 38 00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:01.879 email at the Headless Giant at gmail dot com and 39 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:03.439 we will read those out tonight. 40 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:06.159 I was just see I was just gonna say you 41 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:07.879 guys got about two hours if you want to get 42 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:09.879 it in, we might be able to read yours tonight. 43 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:12.360 So if you're listening now, get to that email. If 44 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:13.879 you got any stories for us. 45 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:15.319 Oh, thank you again. 46 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:19.520 That's lissome And we got jj Vance not the vice President, 47 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:21.759 my favorite garbage can dude, what is going on? 48 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:22.360 Sure? 49 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:24.159 Nick? 50 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:26.280 Greeting sir, always great to join you for not a 51 00:02:26.360 --> 00:02:31.120 cult Rejects show here. Appreciate the invites as always a 52 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:34.800 fellow cult rejects. Always great to join you all, and Solve. 53 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:36.919 Nice to meet you there, sir. Looking forward to the conversation. 54 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:42.240 Jjv's host of Operations GCD and perhaps more notably not 55 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:43.639 the vice president. 56 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:47.960 Right there in case people forget on Wednesday's eight. 57 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:52.199 Pm YouTube and twixture Fridays with Occult Rejects, Nick and 58 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:55.840 I co hosts show there on Friday's a conspiracy culture roundtable, 59 00:02:55.879 --> 00:03:00.199 and then for a new Sunday show on Patreon Opation 60 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:05.400 GCD Sundays, it's my h adventures and high Weirdness and 61 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:08.199 other true crime stuff that I've encountered and been interested 62 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:10.960 in over the years. So great to join you all. 63 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:13.240 Definitely check out that stuff. Thanks in the show notes. 64 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:15.719 Definitely go check out that Patriot. I know my man 65 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:17.919 puts a lot of time into those solo shows he does. 66 00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:20.360 It's fucking ridiculous, so it's definitely. 67 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:20.680 Worth the money. 68 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:21.400 Uh. 69 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:28.280 Last, un last, but I at least ethan indigos. Please 70 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:30.120 let everybody know what is up with your deal and 71 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:30.719 your books. 72 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:35.599 Honored to be here. I'm a writer and an observer 73 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:40.319 as well as Uh, really enjoyed, wrote the tole thought 74 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:45.080 a couple other things geometry of energy, terrorist letters. I'm 75 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:47.439 really excited though to hear what so I has to 76 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:52.360 say say and always enjoy interacting and I'm honored to 77 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:52.759 be here. 78 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:55.360 Oh yeah, Edid, it's always great to have you with us. 79 00:03:55.840 --> 00:03:58.479 And finally to the guest himself a few minutes in, 80 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:02.360 finally got to him, Ol Luckman, please let everybody know 81 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:04.159 what your deal is and when they can find all 82 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:05.319 your amazing writings and work. 83 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:08.680 I appreciate that, Nick, and hello to all of you. 84 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:12.199 Really appreciate you being here and having an interest in 85 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:15.479 having this discussion. Wherever it's going to go. You can 86 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:18.439 find me over at substat dot com. Sawlockman dot substack 87 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:24.000 dot com. I also have a a an author's website, 88 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:28.680 books dot sl Luckman dot com. If you go there. Currently, 89 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:32.800 I think two of my books, well one book potentially 90 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:37.480 at your DNA, is for free as a download, and 91 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:40.160 then you can also get a pretty meaty sample of 92 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:43.319 my two most recent books, which are companion volumes Out 93 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:45.839 Through the Endoor and Get Out of Here Alive. So 94 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:49.160 please go and download that and see what you think. 95 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:50.959 So thanks for having me once again. 96 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:53.600 Of course, of course no, then thank you for reaching 97 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:56.560 out to me. I mean it's easy, guests, I appreciate it. 98 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:00.600 So I guess, I mean, I know how to ask earlier. 99 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:03.240 But you know, I guess, if you don't mind repeating 100 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:05.600 yourself a little bit, I guess what got you into 101 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:08.639 getting into this whole life looking at things this way. 102 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:11.240 So if people are out there who have heard my 103 00:05:11.920 --> 00:05:14.639 sad story, my sub story, you know, please forgive me. 104 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:17.240 But I'll give you the skinny. I was in graduate 105 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:21.439 school back in the nineties. I got some recommended travel 106 00:05:21.879 --> 00:05:24.839 I say, travel interventions to fly under the radar, but 107 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:27.519 a lot of people know what I'm talking about. And 108 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:30.879 then I ended up with some kind of weird, mysterious 109 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:34.360 autoimmune illness. Not too long after that, went down a 110 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:41.399 real rabbit hole into energy medicine, chigong, holistic thinking methodologies, 111 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:45.720 that kind of thing, and in a kind of desperate 112 00:05:45.720 --> 00:05:48.279 attempt to regain my health. I had always been very healthy, 113 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:56.160 very athletic, and I ended up studying with the chigong 114 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:59.160 teacher who helped me a lot, began to understand the 115 00:05:59.279 --> 00:06:04.519 nature of bioenergy, and then I got into allergy elimination 116 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:08.279 work where I was helping people, you know, clear for 117 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:10.920 candida and sugar allergies and all this kind of thing, 118 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:16.160 using a kind of homeopathic technique with acupressure. And it 119 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:19.199 was in that context that I began exploring with a 120 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:22.199 lot of clients that I was doing kinesiology or muscle testing. 121 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:29.879 Eye began exploring the interface between sound, specifically language, and 122 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:36.240 more specifically vowels and DNA, and more specifically the nucleotides 123 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:41.160 of DNA, the nucleotide bases. So my thesis is that 124 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:47.480 the five vowels in English are a kind of distillation 125 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:51.879 of the vowels, the major and minor vowels around the world. 126 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:56.279 And it's basically I say that for a variety of reasons. 127 00:06:56.279 --> 00:06:59.040 If you read William Henry's work, he goes into some 128 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:01.839 of this in relationship to the alchemical language, the language 129 00:07:01.839 --> 00:07:03.480 of the Verds, that sort of thing, and why he 130 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:06.519 thinks that the English is the language of the bards, 131 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:09.839 you know, the modern day iteration of the language of 132 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:12.600 the verds in some ways or it has the codes 133 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:18.639 to understand that ancient alchemical language of transformation and transmutation. 134 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:22.879 So it was very, very fascinating to pursue this line 135 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:25.639 of thinking and then to put it into practice when 136 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:29.439 my partner Lee and I went on this crazy mystical 137 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:32.639 shamanic journey and ended up done in South America, where 138 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:35.879 I know Greg Carlwood called what I had the Higher 139 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:38.600 Side Chats host he called what I had a contact 140 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:41.920 tea experience where we saw these crazy lights coming at 141 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:43.680 us over the water and they kind of popped into 142 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:45.600 our bodies. And the next morning we woke up and 143 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:48.040 we had these vowel codes in our minds that we 144 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:51.800 were supposed to see and think simultaneously. And when we 145 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:54.319 did that, I started getting well after I had tried 146 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:56.519 so many things for the better part of the decade, 147 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:00.800 and so not long after that, I started Leah and 148 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:04.920 I started offering this work, which we were calling potentiation 149 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:07.920 at the time it became the regenetics method. We began 150 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:10.560 offering that to people at a distance back home. We 151 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:14.120 were down in Brazil when this occurred, and people began 152 00:08:14.199 --> 00:08:20.439 having these amazing responses to it, and you know, having 153 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:23.920 healings and sort of sudden miraculous changes in their lives. 154 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:27.439 And oh, that was, you know, twenty years ago. So 155 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:30.040 for the last of whatty years. We worked with thousands 156 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:33.440 of people all over the globe, and I've written a 157 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:37.080 couple of books on it. Potentiate U DNA as one 158 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:40.600 of them. Conscious Healing is another potentially U DNA's. It's 159 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:44.080 been trans translated into Spanish and French, so it's available 160 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:49.799 if you're a speaker of those languages. Goodness, I don't know. 161 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:51.039 I don't know where to go with all that. It 162 00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:54.679 changed my life in a major way, and it really 163 00:08:54.720 --> 00:09:01.120 made me rethink the materialistic empiricist paradigm that we live in. 164 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:05.519 If you don't mind me asking, just because I don't 165 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:07.399 have a chance to ask people, it's probably that. And 166 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:09.519 now you mentioned you're in Brazil for twenty years? 167 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:13.919 What was I was down there at the time. Oh, okay, 168 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:17.960 what I had been doing. I've spent a good bit 169 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:21.159 of time in Brazil's That's that's fine. I didn't spend 170 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:22.600 twenty years there, all right? 171 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:22.799 What? 172 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:23.519 Uh? 173 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:24.159 So? 174 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:24.600 Like you? 175 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:29.120 Well, you went to Brazil, I'm assuming for the spiritual stuff. Correct. 176 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:33.039 Actually initially went as part of my graduate research in literature. 177 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:33.879 Oh, I was. 178 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:40.279 I was looking at well, various parts of Brazilian culture. 179 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:45.519 I was studying Brazilian modern and nineteenth century Brazilian literature, 180 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:49.639 as well as amp Bay, which is a Brazilian popular 181 00:09:49.720 --> 00:09:52.279 music and I was looking at concrete poetry and a 182 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:57.559 variety of very interesting trends in Brazilian cultural production, and 183 00:09:57.679 --> 00:10:01.799 I was synthesizing that through a errative lens and looking 184 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:07.000 at it in relation to French French culture and production, 185 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:09.720 and American and British culture and production. 186 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:14.480 Okay, yeah, I just because when you mentioned you're in Brazil, 187 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:17.120 I mean that is a I mean I would say 188 00:10:17.159 --> 00:10:19.480 it's like a hotbed of spirituality, I mean, good old bed. 189 00:10:19.799 --> 00:10:21.480 So I was just wondering, like, what maybe some of 190 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:24.919 your experiences, I mean, unless like you weren't really around 191 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:26.399 that too much. I don't know, because now you're saying 192 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:28.200 you're there for school. I just assumed you were there. 193 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:31.879 That's how I initially got myself down to Brazil. I'd 194 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:35.960 been studying Portuguese and I went to do dissertation research 195 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:38.720 and to get better at Portuguese. And it was that 196 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:42.240 trip that I got the interventions for that I've been 197 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:45.759 you know, ended up getting sick from and then going 198 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:49.200 back to Brazil years later after having been ill for 199 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:52.120 quite a while as a kind of return to the 200 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:54.960 source of where it all went wrong in a way. 201 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:58.639 And on the second go around, yeah I did. I 202 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:00.919 mean there's a there's a figure down the named Trigau 203 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:08.200 who's a kind of Steinian type fellow runs a I mean, ultimately, 204 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:09.919 I think of all of these things as cults at 205 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:12.960 this point. But you know, I wrote a book called 206 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:15.279 The World Cult and you so I think basically everything 207 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:19.480 is a cult in our world. But you know, I've 208 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:22.559 read his books and I think I know that I 209 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:24.360 read them in Portuguese. I'm not even sure if they're 210 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:26.840 available in English. Triggering you is. 211 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:27.639 Is his name. 212 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:30.840 But there are lots of certainly lots of figures down there, 213 00:11:31.159 --> 00:11:34.799 you know, obviously all of the ayahuasca, the plant spirit 214 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:38.799 medicine that's going on, And yeah, I have I have 215 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:42.120 mixed feelings about a lot of that too many people, 216 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:45.639 not not the actual practice of doing it, but the 217 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:48.919 business of it, a lot a lot of what goes 218 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:52.080 with it these days. I mean, in it's in its uh, 219 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:54.799 in itself, I think it's a it's a time honored 220 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:59.559 way of interfacing with you know, certain level of consciousness 221 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:02.039 that's can be difficult to get to on one's own. 222 00:12:02.159 --> 00:12:05.399 But you know, as in terms of what it's become, 223 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:07.879 it's a bit of a mixed bag. 224 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:12.120 We have a uh I guess real quick, I just 225 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:13.879 wanted to issue you something. Did you come across any 226 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:15.720 of like kind of you know, you said it already. 227 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:17.320 I don't want to say cults, but I mean that 228 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:21.360 does that is in their spiritual groups that were actually 229 00:12:21.440 --> 00:12:24.200 like you know, like kind of big or anything like 230 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:25.080 that had compounds. 231 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:26.720 Put it that way, you know what I'm saying. 232 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:29.320 Yeah, there were these people that called themselves the Star People, 233 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:31.519 and they were also doing the This was way back 234 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:34.799 in the day, in the nineteen nineties, and they had 235 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:37.320 it was a big movement, and they were big into 236 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:40.399 doing group ayahuasca ceremonies and that sort of thing. It 237 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:45.720 was pretty pretty intense, you know. I mean, I've also 238 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:48.320 done all the carnival stuff and all the craziness, and 239 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:54.039 I've written about that in a forthcoming novel called Beginner's Luke, 240 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:56.679 where you know, I describe a lot of a lot 241 00:12:56.679 --> 00:12:59.200 of what I went through in Brazil, including contracting this 242 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:02.720 crazy Paris that supposedly you know, destroys destroys the nurse 243 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:06.440 to your heart and kills you eventually. But this work 244 00:13:06.919 --> 00:13:09.360 that I developed with Lee got rid of it. 245 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:15.200 So so I had a question about the the energy 246 00:13:15.240 --> 00:13:18.159 working is it Is it similar to reiki? Is it 247 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:23.279 like based in symbols. I'm not exactly sure the techniques involved. 248 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:28.120 Yeah, I'm obviously familiar with reiki, and I would say 249 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:32.039 other than the fact that it's using energy in some 250 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:34.120 broad sense, no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't say it has 251 00:13:34.159 --> 00:13:38.080 a lot to do with reiki specifically. There are there's 252 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:43.639 various linguistic codes that are just vowel based, and you 253 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:48.159 you seeing seeing one set of codes, and so you're 254 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:50.159 using the five vowels and you see them at a 255 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:54.480 certain note or notes. Potentiation, for example, uses five hundred 256 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:56.960 and twenty eight hrtz. That's the me. That's the me 257 00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:01.000 note of the Sophygio skill, and then the other activations 258 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:04.480 in the regionetics method incorporate more notes from that scale. 259 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:08.279 So you're singing along and you're at the same time 260 00:14:08.360 --> 00:14:11.759 you're thinking another set of codes. So you might be 261 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:15.919 singing the vowel for you know, the vowel ah, and 262 00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:18.879 you might be thinking underneath it the vowel for E 263 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:22.960 and sometimes they might actually line up so that you're 264 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:26.000 singing and thinking and there are also some silences involved 265 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:31.279 where you're not thinking anything, and so that's that's brings 266 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:37.000 in another element that kind of frames some from some 267 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:39.360 of this work. You know how musicians often say, you 268 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:42.039 know it's the silence that creates the music, Well that 269 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:46.960 also applies here as well, and so you do that, 270 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:50.200 and that you do that for about twenty to thirty 271 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:52.799 minutes for a session. That's how that's how it works, 272 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:54.919 and it's very meditative. A lot of people say it 273 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:57.320 puts them into kind of a kind of a trance. 274 00:14:58.159 --> 00:14:59.960 My experience is that it has a lot to do 275 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:05.399 with creating, you know, alternative brain activity, and it's very 276 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:08.080 powerful to just do it. But it's not really designed 277 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:11.360 as a meditation. It's designed as a one time session 278 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:15.279 that starts a process. When you start the process, then 279 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:18.360 it rolls out for forty two weeks, which is like 280 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:22.120 a gestation cycle. So you're literally going through some kind 281 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:27.159 of energetic rebirth, during which time your bio energy blueprint, 282 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:33.000 your biofield, your aura is being repatterned and healed of 283 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:37.000 distortions and traumas. 284 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:42.159 That's that's super interesting. So and it is similar to 285 00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:45.279 reiki that it's non touch, short distance healing. 286 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:49.279 That's correct. You you can do it in person, and 287 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:50.919 so you can do it in a way that the 288 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:55.000 person can hear what you're singing. But we do it 289 00:15:55.320 --> 00:15:58.960 totally ceremonially where people just go into their own kind 290 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:01.919 of meditative and vite or it could be phishing for 291 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:03.759 that matter, but it doesn't really matter. But it's somewhere 292 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:06.399 where they can just be there, present in some way 293 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:11.240 for the session, and then we perform it where we are. 294 00:16:11.320 --> 00:16:13.440 We work with people, like I said, all over the world, 295 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:16.960 so different time zones and that kind of thing, So 296 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:21.279 it doesn't really matter if people can hear it or not. 297 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:26.320 It sound healing, but sound is also in my experience 298 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:30.000 observation and theory, it is a non local phenomenon as well. 299 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:37.000 There is to validate the idea of that type of healing. There. 300 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:43.240 It's another similar practice like reiki called Joe Ray. It's 301 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:46.840 from Japan too. I wonder if you might have heard 302 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:48.360 of that too. 303 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:51.639 I've only heard of it. I mean, I've lived in Japan, 304 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:55.919 so that's come across my plate. But I'm not exactly 305 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:58.039 sure how that works. 306 00:16:59.159 --> 00:17:02.080 That must have been an interesting experience in Japan. I 307 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:07.000 believe it's very similar to your idea of instigating a 308 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:12.359 new pattern, and maybe even you know, goes into epigenetics. 309 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:15.960 I'm not exactly sure, but it sounded I think it's 310 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:17.839 familiar to what you were talking about. 311 00:17:18.400 --> 00:17:22.960 Well, you mentioned epigenetics, and that's certainly an important piece 312 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:30.680 of what's going on with regenetics. The epigenetics is something cite. 313 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:33.880 I cite wave genetics in the work of Peter Garayev 314 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:38.279 and Vladimir Proponent. That's very, very fascinating stuff. I cite 315 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:43.319 quantum bioholography, which is a whole area of study with 316 00:17:43.359 --> 00:17:46.319 people like Richard Allen Miller, this physicist and other physicists. 317 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:48.720 Back in the seventies. They wrote a paper which is 318 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:53.480 available on my substec It's called a Holographic Concept of Reality, 319 00:17:53.519 --> 00:17:57.839 and it's really really fascinating. And so Richard Alan Miller 320 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:03.240 and his former wife Iona Miller very brilliant thinkers and writers. 321 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:10.359 I mean, they've written great articles on DNA and holographic 322 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:15.160 translation mechanism. And where I go with that is I 323 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:22.240 basically explore how DNA functions as a holographic translation mechanism 324 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:25.240 for taking sound waves and turning them into light, or 325 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:28.400 taking light waves and turning them into sound. So you 326 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:32.119 can sing to the DNA and that energy will will 327 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:34.920 basically turn upside down and it will enter the upside 328 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:36.480 down of your aura if you want to use a 329 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:40.119 stranger's name reference. So it goes into your bio energy 330 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:43.200 field and then it speaks to it or instructs it 331 00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:46.480 what to do, and when that energy flows back through 332 00:18:46.519 --> 00:18:49.279 the DNA, it goes back to light. So it goes 333 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:52.880 from light to sound and sound to light or vice versa. However, 334 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:55.720 because you're using both modalities, so they're kind of crossing. 335 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:58.920 They're creating a kind of DNA cross, a kind of 336 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:02.599 chironic cross that moves, you know, into your your biofield, 337 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:05.759 and when it comes back through the DNA, it basically 338 00:19:05.799 --> 00:19:11.640 invites epigenetic changes that start happening automatically, not not. You 339 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:14.920 don't have to necessarily think about it or be in 340 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:18.200 a certain headspace or mind space or heart space. These things. 341 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:22.039 These things can help, but the effects are just kind 342 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:27.359 of automatic, and so what people begin to experience is 343 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:33.319 is epigenetic gene silencing and genes turning on as well, 344 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:39.400 and it begins to create really very tangible, real changes 345 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:42.839 in people's food allergies, energy levels react, you know, there's 346 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:47.279 sensitivities to the environment, just so many things. It's extraordinary. 347 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:55.000 I've had my own experiences with sound healing in the 348 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:58.160 chat Slick he co hosts with this guy named Chance 349 00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:02.880 Garden who does a form of energy healing using tuning forks. 350 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:07.039 And in my case it was it was a pretty 351 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:12.039 deep tissue tear of a bustle, and it was very 352 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:16.119 quickly after that it healed, and so chances, you know, 353 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:17.039 excellent with that. 354 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:22.160 So yeah, that's great. Well, we actually do use tuning 355 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:24.640 forks to stay on the right note and to just 356 00:20:24.759 --> 00:20:28.720 give it a certain structure, give the accession a structure. 357 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:32.519 One of my friends is Eileen day Acusick. She wrote 358 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:36.440 Tuning the the Human Biofield, and and I mean I 359 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:39.279 have her sonic sliders and all, you know, all that 360 00:20:39.319 --> 00:20:41.279 stuff as well. I mean she and I go way back. 361 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:45.480 If she writes she built regenetics in in in Tuning 362 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:47.160 the Human Biofield. 363 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:48.839 She's the one who trade Chance. 364 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:52.960 Yeah, right right. We have a lot of overlap. People 365 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:59.200 who facilitate or have experienced both modalities. They're very very complimentary. 366 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:00.759 Absolutely. 367 00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:02.039 Yeah. 368 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:04.240 I have a I have an interview from just about 369 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:08.119 maybe four months ago with Eileen on my YouTube channel, 370 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:10.599 so you can go check that out. That was that 371 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:12.960 was a great interview. Actually, she's amazing. 372 00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:21.240 Absolutely, So we've been doing a lot of different studies 373 00:21:21.279 --> 00:21:27.160 on sound vibration. Are you familiar with cavitation bubbles that 374 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:30.880 they are able to stalize using sound and then get 375 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:33.759 a flash of light out of the inside of the 376 00:21:33.759 --> 00:21:34.759 cavitation bubbles. 377 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:39.119 You know, Uh, that's been going on for a little while, 378 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:44.200 hasn't it. Yeah, Yeah, it's the same concept that I'm 379 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:47.680 talking about. I believe that it's it's a it's a 380 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:53.359 translation that's happening at that at that kind of quantum level, right. 381 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:55.200 I think there's a lot of this energy in the 382 00:21:55.279 --> 00:22:00.240 void that is being sort of like called up, and 383 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:02.480 I think a lot of that light that's being produced 384 00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:06.519 is from the actual vacuum that's produced with the cavitation bubbles. 385 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:09.759 So you find that a lot of different animals in 386 00:22:09.799 --> 00:22:13.960 the water actually use cavitation bubbles as defense mechanisms and 387 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:16.480 all sorts of other things. And it's almost like this 388 00:22:16.519 --> 00:22:19.960 is this understanding of sound as part of our biology, 389 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:21.920 but we've sort of lost it over the years. 390 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:27.559 You know, we've become light centric. I describe how we 391 00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:32.279 live in the light domain. This is the domain of 392 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:37.039 what Dewey Larson, for example, might call space time. But 393 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:39.759 there is the sound domain which gives rise to the 394 00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:43.559 light domain, and that is time space. I wrote a 395 00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:47.480 novel about this called Snooze, about this kid Max who 396 00:22:48.400 --> 00:22:51.319 he basically learns how to travel into the dream world 397 00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:55.640 in a very conscious way, and everything is totally reversed. 398 00:22:55.720 --> 00:23:00.839 I mean, time and space are opposites. So you know, 399 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:03.759 it's like your senses are more like you know, your 400 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:08.000 physical senses would be more like your intuition there, and 401 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:13.039