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Speaker 1: Nick?
Speaker 9: Greeting sir, always great to join you for not a
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Speaker 1: I appreciate that, Nick, and hello to all of you.
Speaker 1: Really appreciate you being here and having an interest in
Speaker 1: having this discussion. Wherever it's going to go. You can
Speaker 1: find me over at substat dot com. Sawlockman dot substack
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Speaker 1: books dot sl Luckman dot com. If you go there. Currently,
Speaker 1: I think two of my books, well one book potentially
Speaker 1: at your DNA, is for free as a download, and
Speaker 1: then you can also get a pretty meaty sample of
Speaker 1: my two most recent books, which are companion volumes Out
Speaker 1: Through the Endoor and Get Out of Here Alive. So
Speaker 1: please go and download that and see what you think.
Speaker 1: So thanks for having me once again.
Speaker 5: Of course, of course no, then thank you for reaching
Speaker 5: out to me. I mean it's easy, guests, I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: So I guess, I mean, I know how to ask earlier.
Speaker 5: But you know, I guess, if you don't mind repeating
Speaker 5: yourself a little bit, I guess what got you into
Speaker 5: getting into this whole life looking at things this way.
Speaker 1: So if people are out there who have heard my
Speaker 1: sad story, my sub story, you know, please forgive me.
Speaker 1: But I'll give you the skinny. I was in graduate
Speaker 1: school back in the nineties. I got some recommended travel
Speaker 1: I say, travel interventions to fly under the radar, but
Speaker 1: a lot of people know what I'm talking about. And
Speaker 1: then I ended up with some kind of weird, mysterious
Speaker 1: autoimmune illness. Not too long after that, went down a
Speaker 1: real rabbit hole into energy medicine, chigong, holistic thinking methodologies,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, and in a kind of desperate
Speaker 1: attempt to regain my health. I had always been very healthy,
Speaker 1: very athletic, and I ended up studying with the chigong
Speaker 1: teacher who helped me a lot, began to understand the
Speaker 1: nature of bioenergy, and then I got into allergy elimination
Speaker 1: work where I was helping people, you know, clear for
Speaker 1: candida and sugar allergies and all this kind of thing,
Speaker 1: using a kind of homeopathic technique with acupressure. And it
Speaker 1: was in that context that I began exploring with a
Speaker 1: lot of clients that I was doing kinesiology or muscle testing.
Speaker 1: Eye began exploring the interface between sound, specifically language, and
Speaker 1: more specifically vowels and DNA, and more specifically the nucleotides
Speaker 1: of DNA, the nucleotide bases. So my thesis is that
Speaker 1: the five vowels in English are a kind of distillation
Speaker 1: of the vowels, the major and minor vowels around the world.
Speaker 1: And it's basically I say that for a variety of reasons.
Speaker 1: If you read William Henry's work, he goes into some
Speaker 1: of this in relationship to the alchemical language, the language
Speaker 1: of the Verds, that sort of thing, and why he
Speaker 1: thinks that the English is the language of the bards,
Speaker 1: you know, the modern day iteration of the language of
Speaker 1: the verds in some ways or it has the codes
Speaker 1: to understand that ancient alchemical language of transformation and transmutation.
Speaker 1: So it was very, very fascinating to pursue this line
Speaker 1: of thinking and then to put it into practice when
Speaker 1: my partner Lee and I went on this crazy mystical
Speaker 1: shamanic journey and ended up done in South America, where
Speaker 1: I know Greg Carlwood called what I had the Higher
Speaker 1: Side Chats host he called what I had a contact
Speaker 1: tea experience where we saw these crazy lights coming at
Speaker 1: us over the water and they kind of popped into
Speaker 1: our bodies. And the next morning we woke up and
Speaker 1: we had these vowel codes in our minds that we
Speaker 1: were supposed to see and think simultaneously. And when we
Speaker 1: did that, I started getting well after I had tried
Speaker 1: so many things for the better part of the decade,
Speaker 1: and so not long after that, I started Leah and
Speaker 1: I started offering this work, which we were calling potentiation
Speaker 1: at the time it became the regenetics method. We began
Speaker 1: offering that to people at a distance back home. We
Speaker 1: were down in Brazil when this occurred, and people began
Speaker 1: having these amazing responses to it, and you know, having
Speaker 1: healings and sort of sudden miraculous changes in their lives.
Speaker 1: And oh, that was, you know, twenty years ago. So
Speaker 1: for the last of whatty years. We worked with thousands
Speaker 1: of people all over the globe, and I've written a
Speaker 1: couple of books on it. Potentiate U DNA as one
Speaker 1: of them. Conscious Healing is another potentially U DNA's. It's
Speaker 1: been trans translated into Spanish and French, so it's available
Speaker 1: if you're a speaker of those languages. Goodness, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know where to go with all that. It
Speaker 1: changed my life in a major way, and it really
Speaker 1: made me rethink the materialistic empiricist paradigm that we live in.
Speaker 5: If you don't mind me asking, just because I don't
Speaker 5: have a chance to ask people, it's probably that. And
Speaker 5: now you mentioned you're in Brazil for twenty years?
Speaker 1: What was I was down there at the time. Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: what I had been doing. I've spent a good bit
Speaker 1: of time in Brazil's That's that's fine. I didn't spend
Speaker 1: twenty years there, all right?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 11: So?
Speaker 4: Like you?
Speaker 5: Well, you went to Brazil, I'm assuming for the spiritual stuff. Correct.
Speaker 1: Actually initially went as part of my graduate research in literature.
Speaker 4: Oh, I was.
Speaker 1: I was looking at well, various parts of Brazilian culture.
Speaker 1: I was studying Brazilian modern and nineteenth century Brazilian literature,
Speaker 1: as well as amp Bay, which is a Brazilian popular
Speaker 1: music and I was looking at concrete poetry and a
Speaker 1: variety of very interesting trends in Brazilian cultural production, and
Speaker 1: I was synthesizing that through a errative lens and looking
Speaker 1: at it in relation to French French culture and production,
Speaker 1: and American and British culture and production.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I just because when you mentioned you're in Brazil,
Speaker 5: I mean that is a I mean I would say
Speaker 5: it's like a hotbed of spirituality, I mean, good old bed.
Speaker 5: So I was just wondering, like, what maybe some of
Speaker 5: your experiences, I mean, unless like you weren't really around
Speaker 5: that too much. I don't know, because now you're saying
Speaker 5: you're there for school. I just assumed you were there.
Speaker 1: That's how I initially got myself down to Brazil. I'd
Speaker 1: been studying Portuguese and I went to do dissertation research
Speaker 1: and to get better at Portuguese. And it was that
Speaker 1: trip that I got the interventions for that I've been
Speaker 1: you know, ended up getting sick from and then going
Speaker 1: back to Brazil years later after having been ill for
Speaker 1: quite a while as a kind of return to the
Speaker 1: source of where it all went wrong in a way.
Speaker 1: And on the second go around, yeah I did. I
Speaker 1: mean there's a there's a figure down the named Trigau
Speaker 1: who's a kind of Steinian type fellow runs a I mean, ultimately,
Speaker 1: I think of all of these things as cults at
Speaker 1: this point. But you know, I wrote a book called
Speaker 1: The World Cult and you so I think basically everything
Speaker 1: is a cult in our world. But you know, I've
Speaker 1: read his books and I think I know that I
Speaker 1: read them in Portuguese. I'm not even sure if they're
Speaker 1: available in English. Triggering you is.
Speaker 2: Is his name.
Speaker 1: But there are lots of certainly lots of figures down there,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously all of the ayahuasca, the plant spirit
Speaker 1: medicine that's going on, And yeah, I have I have
Speaker 1: mixed feelings about a lot of that too many people,
Speaker 1: not not the actual practice of doing it, but the
Speaker 1: business of it, a lot a lot of what goes
Speaker 1: with it these days. I mean, in it's in its uh,
Speaker 1: in itself, I think it's a it's a time honored
Speaker 1: way of interfacing with you know, certain level of consciousness
Speaker 1: that's can be difficult to get to on one's own.
Speaker 1: But you know, as in terms of what it's become,
Speaker 1: it's a bit of a mixed bag.
Speaker 5: We have a uh I guess real quick, I just
Speaker 5: wanted to issue you something. Did you come across any
Speaker 5: of like kind of you know, you said it already.
Speaker 5: I don't want to say cults, but I mean that
Speaker 5: does that is in their spiritual groups that were actually
Speaker 5: like you know, like kind of big or anything like
Speaker 5: that had compounds.
Speaker 4: Put it that way, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were these people that called themselves the Star People,
Speaker 1: and they were also doing the This was way back
Speaker 1: in the day, in the nineteen nineties, and they had
Speaker 1: it was a big movement, and they were big into
Speaker 1: doing group ayahuasca ceremonies and that sort of thing. It
Speaker 1: was pretty pretty intense, you know. I mean, I've also
Speaker 1: done all the carnival stuff and all the craziness, and
Speaker 1: I've written about that in a forthcoming novel called Beginner's Luke,
Speaker 1: where you know, I describe a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of what I went through in Brazil, including contracting this
Speaker 1: crazy Paris that supposedly you know, destroys destroys the nurse
Speaker 1: to your heart and kills you eventually. But this work
Speaker 1: that I developed with Lee got rid of it.
Speaker 8: So so I had a question about the the energy
Speaker 8: working is it Is it similar to reiki? Is it
Speaker 8: like based in symbols. I'm not exactly sure the techniques involved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm obviously familiar with reiki, and I would say
Speaker 1: other than the fact that it's using energy in some
Speaker 1: broad sense, no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't say it has
Speaker 1: a lot to do with reiki specifically. There are there's
Speaker 1: various linguistic codes that are just vowel based, and you
Speaker 1: you seeing seeing one set of codes, and so you're
Speaker 1: using the five vowels and you see them at a
Speaker 1: certain note or notes. Potentiation, for example, uses five hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty eight hrtz. That's the me. That's the me
Speaker 1: note of the Sophygio skill, and then the other activations
Speaker 1: in the regionetics method incorporate more notes from that scale.
Speaker 1: So you're singing along and you're at the same time
Speaker 1: you're thinking another set of codes. So you might be
Speaker 1: singing the vowel for you know, the vowel ah, and
Speaker 1: you might be thinking underneath it the vowel for E
Speaker 1: and sometimes they might actually line up so that you're
Speaker 1: singing and thinking and there are also some silences involved
Speaker 1: where you're not thinking anything, and so that's that's brings
Speaker 1: in another element that kind of frames some from some
Speaker 1: of this work. You know how musicians often say, you
Speaker 1: know it's the silence that creates the music, Well that
Speaker 1: also applies here as well, and so you do that,
Speaker 1: and that you do that for about twenty to thirty
Speaker 1: minutes for a session. That's how that's how it works,
Speaker 1: and it's very meditative. A lot of people say it
Speaker 1: puts them into kind of a kind of a trance.
Speaker 1: My experience is that it has a lot to do
Speaker 1: with creating, you know, alternative brain activity, and it's very
Speaker 1: powerful to just do it. But it's not really designed
Speaker 1: as a meditation. It's designed as a one time session
Speaker 1: that starts a process. When you start the process, then
Speaker 1: it rolls out for forty two weeks, which is like
Speaker 1: a gestation cycle. So you're literally going through some kind
Speaker 1: of energetic rebirth, during which time your bio energy blueprint,
Speaker 1: your biofield, your aura is being repatterned and healed of
Speaker 1: distortions and traumas.
Speaker 3: That's that's super interesting. So and it is similar to
Speaker 3: reiki that it's non touch, short distance healing.
Speaker 1: That's correct. You you can do it in person, and
Speaker 1: so you can do it in a way that the
Speaker 1: person can hear what you're singing. But we do it
Speaker 1: totally ceremonially where people just go into their own kind
Speaker 1: of meditative and vite or it could be phishing for
Speaker 1: that matter, but it doesn't really matter. But it's somewhere
Speaker 1: where they can just be there, present in some way
Speaker 1: for the session, and then we perform it where we are.
Speaker 1: We work with people, like I said, all over the world,
Speaker 1: so different time zones and that kind of thing, So
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter if people can hear it or not.
Speaker 1: It sound healing, but sound is also in my experience
Speaker 1: observation and theory, it is a non local phenomenon as well.
Speaker 3: There is to validate the idea of that type of healing. There.
Speaker 3: It's another similar practice like reiki called Joe Ray. It's
Speaker 3: from Japan too. I wonder if you might have heard
Speaker 3: of that too.
Speaker 1: I've only heard of it. I mean, I've lived in Japan,
Speaker 1: so that's come across my plate. But I'm not exactly
Speaker 1: sure how that works.
Speaker 3: That must have been an interesting experience in Japan. I
Speaker 3: believe it's very similar to your idea of instigating a
Speaker 3: new pattern, and maybe even you know, goes into epigenetics.
Speaker 3: I'm not exactly sure, but it sounded I think it's
Speaker 3: familiar to what you were talking about.
Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned epigenetics, and that's certainly an important piece
Speaker 1: of what's going on with regenetics. The epigenetics is something cite.
Speaker 1: I cite wave genetics in the work of Peter Garayev
Speaker 1: and Vladimir Proponent. That's very, very fascinating stuff. I cite
Speaker 1: quantum bioholography, which is a whole area of study with
Speaker 1: people like Richard Allen Miller, this physicist and other physicists.
Speaker 1: Back in the seventies. They wrote a paper which is
Speaker 1: available on my substec It's called a Holographic Concept of Reality,
Speaker 1: and it's really really fascinating. And so Richard Alan Miller
Speaker 1: and his former wife Iona Miller very brilliant thinkers and writers.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've written great articles on DNA and holographic
Speaker 1: translation mechanism. And where I go with that is I
Speaker 1: basically explore how DNA functions as a holographic translation mechanism
Speaker 1: for taking sound waves and turning them into light, or
Speaker 1: taking light waves and turning them into sound. So you
Speaker 1: can sing to the DNA and that energy will will
Speaker 1: basically turn upside down and it will enter the upside
Speaker 1: down of your aura if you want to use a
Speaker 1: stranger's name reference. So it goes into your bio energy
Speaker 1: field and then it speaks to it or instructs it
Speaker 1: what to do, and when that energy flows back through
Speaker 1: the DNA, it goes back to light. So it goes
Speaker 1: from light to sound and sound to light or vice versa. However,
Speaker 1: because you're using both modalities, so they're kind of crossing.
Speaker 1: They're creating a kind of DNA cross, a kind of
Speaker 1: chironic cross that moves, you know, into your your biofield,
Speaker 1: and when it comes back through the DNA, it basically
Speaker 1: invites epigenetic changes that start happening automatically, not not. You
Speaker 1: don't have to necessarily think about it or be in
Speaker 1: a certain headspace or mind space or heart space. These things.
Speaker 1: These things can help, but the effects are just kind
Speaker 1: of automatic, and so what people begin to experience is
Speaker 1: is epigenetic gene silencing and genes turning on as well,
Speaker 1: and it begins to create really very tangible, real changes
Speaker 1: in people's food allergies, energy levels react, you know, there's
Speaker 1: sensitivities to the environment, just so many things. It's extraordinary.
Speaker 8: I've had my own experiences with sound healing in the
Speaker 8: chat Slick he co hosts with this guy named Chance
Speaker 8: Garden who does a form of energy healing using tuning forks.
Speaker 8: And in my case it was it was a pretty
Speaker 8: deep tissue tear of a bustle, and it was very
Speaker 8: quickly after that it healed, and so chances, you know,
Speaker 8: excellent with that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's great. Well, we actually do use tuning
Speaker 1: forks to stay on the right note and to just
Speaker 1: give it a certain structure, give the accession a structure.
Speaker 1: One of my friends is Eileen day Acusick. She wrote
Speaker 1: Tuning the the Human Biofield, and and I mean I
Speaker 1: have her sonic sliders and all, you know, all that
Speaker 1: stuff as well. I mean she and I go way back.
Speaker 1: If she writes she built regenetics in in in Tuning
Speaker 1: the Human Biofield.
Speaker 8: She's the one who trade Chance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right right. We have a lot of overlap. People
Speaker 1: who facilitate or have experienced both modalities. They're very very complimentary.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have a I have an interview from just about
Speaker 1: maybe four months ago with Eileen on my YouTube channel,
Speaker 1: so you can go check that out. That was that
Speaker 1: was a great interview. Actually, she's amazing.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, So we've been doing a lot of different studies
Speaker 8: on sound vibration. Are you familiar with cavitation bubbles that
Speaker 8: they are able to stalize using sound and then get
Speaker 8: a flash of light out of the inside of the
Speaker 8: cavitation bubbles.
Speaker 1: You know, Uh, that's been going on for a little while,
Speaker 1: hasn't it. Yeah, Yeah, it's the same concept that I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. I believe that it's it's a it's a
Speaker 1: translation that's happening at that at that kind of quantum level, right.
Speaker 8: I think there's a lot of this energy in the
Speaker 8: void that is being sort of like called up, and
Speaker 8: I think a lot of that light that's being produced
Speaker 8: is from the actual vacuum that's produced with the cavitation bubbles.
Speaker 8: So you find that a lot of different animals in
Speaker 8: the water actually use cavitation bubbles as defense mechanisms and
Speaker 8: all sorts of other things. And it's almost like this
Speaker 8: is this understanding of sound as part of our biology,
Speaker 8: but we've sort of lost it over the years.
Speaker 1: You know, we've become light centric. I describe how we
Speaker 1: live in the light domain. This is the domain of
Speaker 1: what Dewey Larson, for example, might call space time. But
Speaker 1: there is the sound domain which gives rise to the
Speaker 1: light domain, and that is time space. I wrote a
Speaker 1: novel about this called Snooze, about this kid Max who
Speaker 1: he basically learns how to travel into the dream world
Speaker 1: in a very conscious way, and everything is totally reversed.
Speaker 1: I mean, time and space are opposites. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's like your senses are more like you know, your
Speaker 1: physical senses would be more like your intuition there, and
Speaker 1: your intuition would be physical. It's just crazy to think about.
Speaker 1: So go check that novel out. It has had a
Speaker 1: lot of loyal fans over the years.
Speaker 8: Really does bring up that holographic angle to the universe,
Speaker 8: because it's the vibrations that get things flowing, and then
Speaker 8: from that comes the light and the energy.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean, I'm sure you've read Michael Talbot's The
Speaker 1: Holographic Universe from back in the day, or at least
Speaker 1: seen it referenced It was one of the books back
Speaker 1: in the I think he published it in the late
Speaker 1: eighties or very early nineties, and it kind of kicked
Speaker 1: off a lot of this holographic research in terms of
Speaker 1: more mainstream people looking at that, and it's very, very brilliant.
Speaker 1: He ended up dying very young, tragic, so he didn't
Speaker 1: get to continue his work, but he was a great writer.
Speaker 6: So I was going to mention, are you familiar with
Speaker 6: a DNA resonance? It almost sounds like familiar with what
Speaker 6: you are describing in terms of epigenetics, in terms of
Speaker 6: viewing the genome as an antenna, a receiver, and a transducer.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, I write about that and a lot of
Speaker 1: my materials.
Speaker 6: And how would you say that that would relate? Are
Speaker 6: you familiar with Robert Becker's what is it? Electric? The
Speaker 6: h the electric body?
Speaker 1: Electric body? That's right? Yeah, I read that years ago,
Speaker 1: cited it somewhere maybe in conscious healing.
Speaker 6: Would you say that that still holds up today?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? And you know, now you have the electric universe
Speaker 1: theory going on, which is more of a cosmological extent
Speaker 1: of some of that type of thinking and the idea
Speaker 1: that you know, we live in an electrical construct, and
Speaker 1: I think that's true to the extent that it defines
Speaker 1: what we can perceive with the five senses. But like
Speaker 1: the biofield, there's more to it. It's more nuanced than that.
Speaker 1: And this is what I mean. The electromagnetic spectrum that
Speaker 1: we can perceive part of and that we can prove
Speaker 1: that it exists, is an epiphenomenon emerging from what I've
Speaker 1: been calling time space or the sound domain. It's not
Speaker 1: the primary quote unquote reality. There's a deeper level to it.
Speaker 1: So the electric universe is kind of like the electromagnetic
Speaker 1: fields of that have been studied by the heart math
Speaker 1: for example, and you can see this tooidal shape of
Speaker 1: energy that the heart is producing around the body. That's great,
Speaker 1: but that's when I talk about the aura or the
Speaker 1: biof field. That's not what I'm talking about. That is
Speaker 1: the that is a secondary phenomenon on top of the
Speaker 1: the subtle energy blueprint that everything is structured on. That's
Speaker 1: where you know, uh, that's where the light flashes from.
Speaker 1: It comes out of that that that energy, well, that
Speaker 1: gives rise to what we think of is reality. Now,
Speaker 1: I think everything is just a dream, including time space, ultimately,
Speaker 1: and I write about that and these recent books Get
Speaker 1: Out of Here, Live and Out through the Endoor extensively.
Speaker 1: This is a major subject. And I talk about how
Speaker 1: we're you know, imagineers and training learning that we're just
Speaker 1: dreaming everything, you know, and until we figure that out,
Speaker 1: we're royally screwed, you know, because we're always going to
Speaker 1: be putting the cart before the horse. But I would
Speaker 1: simply say that the electric model is still a materialistic,
Speaker 1: empirical empiricist model that doesn't take into account where all
Speaker 1: of this comes from, what gives rise to these phenomena,
Speaker 1: and ultimately, what gives rise to these phenomena I contend
Speaker 1: is consciousness, or more specifically, the imagination. Well, and we
Speaker 1: are being imagined into existence basically as we imagine other
Speaker 1: things into existence. We are like the araboris the serpent
Speaker 1: consuming its own tail.
Speaker 6: I mean, given that we only see point zero three
Speaker 6: percent of the electromagnetic spectrum, and then we don't understand
Speaker 6: about ninety seven percent of the DNA and what it
Speaker 6: codes for. Even though we do have the genome, we
Speaker 6: don't fully understand about roughly ninety five to ninety seven
Speaker 6: percent of the human genome. I believe that that's what
Speaker 6: was the latest.
Speaker 1: Yeah and so and so so, and it just tells
Speaker 1: you a lot about the mentality of this kind of
Speaker 1: you know, materialistic trap that we're in. It's you know,
Speaker 1: so what do they call that that they don't understand?
Speaker 1: They call it junk junk DNA. I call it potential DNA.
Speaker 1: My idea is that that is the part of the
Speaker 1: DNA that is interfacing with the biofield, and so it's
Speaker 1: actually the.
Speaker 2: Mind of the DNA in a way, not.
Speaker 1: In the way that Lipton talks about, you know, proteins
Speaker 1: of the sale membrane being the mind. That's the kind
Speaker 1: of local mind, but the non local mind is really
Speaker 1: the jump DNA, the potential DNA.
Speaker 6: It's interesting because of you speak of the DNA and
Speaker 6: we look when we look at it scientifically, we look
Speaker 6: at it in its three D formation, and they usually
Speaker 6: call it the crystalline. You know that it has repeating
Speaker 6: patterns and it's organized just as a crystal would be,
Speaker 6: not that itself is a crystal, but it's similar patterns.
Speaker 6: And so when we when we see the patterns being emerged,
Speaker 6: especially with the sulfide bonds across, we see that the ten, five, six,
Speaker 6: five repeat over and over, and you know with mysticism
Speaker 6: and an esotericism in a cult that isyd heead By. Hey,
Speaker 6: so I probably say that wrong, apologize, but you see
Speaker 6: that over and over again. And then when you see
Speaker 6: the ten, you see you think of what's his name,
Speaker 6: the Pythagoris, the Pythagoreans. When you think of five, you
Speaker 6: think of the pentagram, and the sixth the hexagram. And
Speaker 6: I found what's interesting is that with the five, you
Speaker 6: see the five being repeated over and over, you see
Speaker 6: it as the five sugar structure. You also see the
Speaker 6: five prime coding region where you know it's it attaches
Speaker 6: and forms the actual nucleic.
Speaker 1: Acid solids too, mm hm exactly.
Speaker 6: So it's it just seems to the concept seemed to
Speaker 6: build upon themselves and repeat throughout history or echo throughout history.
Speaker 1: I know Greg Greg Braden does a good job of
Speaker 1: unpacking a lot of that information. And he also looked
Speaker 1: at how how uh you know DNA is basically just
Speaker 1: code for you know, the I am and one of
Speaker 1: his early books fascinating stuff. Uh yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: that's right, that's right. And the for me, the you know,
Speaker 1: the I am, is that that dreaming god at the
Speaker 1: center of it all, you know, dreaming and I see
Speaker 1: it all that's completely fractalized, where where.
Speaker 11: We're trying to figure out how to become dreaming gods ourselves,
Speaker 11: and then we go off and create another little fractal
Speaker 11: experiment of you know what what I call well John
Speaker 11: Keats would have called another veil of soul making.
Speaker 1: You know, this idea that we're not really pre existing souls.
Speaker 1: We get made in a crucible of of of what
Speaker 1: we think of as a reality, and that allows us
Speaker 1: to uh basically individuate and perhaps matriculate one one day
Speaker 1: out of the matrix.
Speaker 6: One more and one more thing, I promise, I'll shut up.
Speaker 1: Oh that's great, great, you.
Speaker 6: Know, but everything you're saying right now obviously, and we'll
Speaker 6: pivot to vowels or whatever. Everything you just said right
Speaker 6: now reminds me of a memorable speech. I don't know
Speaker 6: how people feel about him, but Philip K. Dick in Mintz,
Speaker 6: France and seventy seven when he talked about how you
Speaker 6: change one variable, you change everything. You can literally live
Speaker 6: the same event to say the same thing, do the
Speaker 6: exact same thing. You change one thing, and the entire
Speaker 6: reality changes. And it reminds me of when you have
Speaker 6: a word. In the beginning was the word, and the word.
Speaker 4: Was with God.
Speaker 6: You change one vowel and you change the entire reality.
Speaker 6: So it's interesting that you say that about you know,
Speaker 6: reality and you can change it like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a there's a writer named William Gray who
Speaker 1: wrote a book called The Talking Tree, and he said that,
Speaker 1: you know, consonants give words their bodies, but vowels put
Speaker 1: the soul into them, and it's that they are the
Speaker 1: engine for reality creation. And my my concept is that
Speaker 1: the idea in the beginning was the word is actually
Speaker 1: literal that God. I use that term kind of loosely.
Speaker 1: That can mean whatever you want it to mean. A
Speaker 1: dreaming God basically spoke this construct into existence with vowels.
Speaker 1: And then it gets a little tricky. And then and
Speaker 1: then somehow into the programming, consonants were inserted. They weren't
Speaker 1: supposed to be there, and that created duality. But by
Speaker 1: separating the sounds and so we get this experiment.
Speaker 5: Something I did want to ask you about when it
Speaker 5: comes to you know, like vowels. It was something that
Speaker 5: came up a few times, I me, at least we're
Speaker 5: covering like a thing like grim mars and maybe even
Speaker 5: ciphers and stuff. I had often wondered, like, you know,
Speaker 5: with Hebrew, they really don't mean they're lacking them, and
Speaker 5: then other languages they have them. Do you think that
Speaker 5: is like kind of like maybe a removal of power
Speaker 5: and maybe giving the vowels to and you know, all
Speaker 5: the languages using it might be like more magical than
Speaker 5: ones without it.
Speaker 1: My understanding with with Hebrew is that the I mean,
Speaker 1: the vowels are just not allowed to be written. I
Speaker 1: mean they're there, but that they're they're in some way
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, I've heard all kinds of different
Speaker 1: theories on why they were removed in that way. You
Speaker 1: know what the the agenda was, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know the truth of that. You could see
Speaker 1: it as honoring the sacredness of the vowels. You could
Speaker 1: see it as hoarding that power for the rabbi class.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't know. You know, that sounds
Speaker 1: like something the Catholics would do by you know, taking
Speaker 1: the you know, the word of God and basically making
Speaker 1: that so that only they had access to that and
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't be surprised if if there were multiple
Speaker 1: agendas going on with that.
Speaker 4: Soul.
Speaker 2: Are you sorry, go ahead? Are you familiar with the work.
Speaker 7: Of doctor Stephen Flowers and his idea of the keywords?
Speaker 7: And also because what Lisa was saying, obviously I was
Speaker 7: thinking the whole time, because I'm a Ladriana practitioner, is
Speaker 7: that we use the five as our primordial number of
Speaker 7: primordial systems. So obviously this, all of this that you're
Speaker 7: saying resonates to me. Everything that Lisa said resonates with me.
Speaker 7: It makes sense. But I have a little bit of
Speaker 7: a different cosmological map maybe than you, but I find
Speaker 7: it very interesting, and so I just wanted to know
Speaker 7: if you're if you're familiar with the work doctor Stephen Fox.
Speaker 1: Thank you, well, not thank you. I'm not not to
Speaker 1: the level you are, obviously. I mean, he was a
Speaker 1: pretty famous rheologist.
Speaker 4: Right, we got him coming on?
Speaker 1: Actually cool?
Speaker 4: Cool?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would. I would be open to learning
Speaker 1: more about his model, for sure, but I can't say
Speaker 1: that I know more than just the name and the
Speaker 1: general subject matter.
Speaker 7: So I can just explain, if not explain his work,
Speaker 7: But I mean the concept is very similar to that
Speaker 7: of Contra, which you may I think you might actually
Speaker 7: be quite familiar. See it sounds like you're familiar with it.
Speaker 7: So he borrows something from it. He's really using Evla.
Speaker 7: He cites Evla heavily, so it's not necessarily directly the
Speaker 7: contract text, but it's an understanding, a level of understanding.
Speaker 7: So he's using this idea of the bijas or the
Speaker 7: keywords just sort of unlock, just like you were saying,
Speaker 7: the angles within the trapezoid, some kind of trapezoidal shape
Speaker 7: that he's built. And some people can understand it as
Speaker 7: being like a birth chart, because if you look at
Speaker 7: a contemporary birth chart, they're like the astrological table can
Speaker 7: often look trapezoidal if it has the right angles, the
Speaker 7: right alignments. So it does resonate with me that you say,
Speaker 7: like there's a connection with DNA, the angle, the keyword
Speaker 7: saying something the toridal field. So you're like wrapping it
Speaker 7: like a mantra. You can also unwrap it, turn it
Speaker 7: the other way around, depending on which way it's locked
Speaker 7: or twisted.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it just very interesting to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love all these connections. That's I mean that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I would need to spend some time just reading and
Speaker 1: I guess contemplating some of the some of this material
Speaker 1: to be able to speak about it intelligently. I get
Speaker 1: that there's there's an obvious resonance there and that's very interesting.
Speaker 1: So thanks for bringing that to my attention.
Speaker 8: So can I ask you about some of the electrical
Speaker 8: potentials within the body? For instance, the nature of bones
Speaker 8: as being piazo electric, and also the interstitial tissues are
Speaker 8: piazo electric, and the hair and the fingernails. Is there
Speaker 8: some kind of electrical exchange going on at these points
Speaker 8: with the energy field around a person. Can that be influenced?
Speaker 1: Definitely? Definitely. I mean I mean basically where these balls
Speaker 1: of fascia, and fascia is one of the most piezo
Speaker 1: electric things in the world. I mean, it is amazingly
Speaker 1: capable of generating that kind of charge or you know,
Speaker 1: generating storing transferring that sort of charge. It's what it does.
Speaker 1: And really I think that you're healthy when you're keeping
Speaker 1: up that charge, right, and when that begins to go away,
Speaker 1: you begin to experience problems. I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: heard of John Barnes, He's the one of the one
Speaker 1: of the original writers on myiofascial release work, and he
Speaker 1: wrote back in the nineteen nineties and his books are
Speaker 1: all about the piezo electric qualities of the fascia and
Speaker 1: it's absolutely fascinating. And you know, as I was reading
Speaker 1: that years ago, it occurred to me that, you know,
Speaker 1: there was an automatic interface going on with the aura
Speaker 1: or the biof field at all times, and they were
Speaker 1: they were basically connecting with each other. I even went
Speaker 1: so far as to theorize that a lot of the uh,
Speaker 1: the translation mechanism when you're speaking to your bio fuel
Speaker 1: like with potentiation, and you're you're using sound and light,
Speaker 1: that you're passing energy through your own fascil system into that.
Speaker 1: And I never wrote about that, but it just seemed
Speaker 1: like that's how it would work to me because that's
Speaker 1: sort of your space suit that you're wearing, you know,
Speaker 1: your your fascial space space suit.
Speaker 8: Well, in some ways you can see this, uh, this
Speaker 8: fascia actually having a two way communication, so you could
Speaker 8: actually collect electrical signals using that piezo electric conversion of vibrations.
Speaker 3: So I've got and then.
Speaker 1: There may be people doing some of that research already
Speaker 1: you're ringing a bell for me there.
Speaker 8: I just think that the relationship between sound, the piazo
Speaker 8: electric effect, and the body is almost as profound as
Speaker 8: the easy water demonstrations, which you know, that's something I'm
Speaker 8: interested in as well. I don't know if you have
Speaker 8: any more information on that, but that's just sort of
Speaker 8: an emerging field right now where they're looking at these
Speaker 8: exclusionary zones and water. I didn't know if he had
Speaker 8: any more information on that or not.
Speaker 1: It's definitely not my I mean, I'm you know, I've
Speaker 1: I've done my research with with you know, Masarumoto and
Speaker 1: Emoto and that sort of thing, and looked at you know,
Speaker 1: cellular water. I mean, there's golly that we could talk about,
Speaker 1: like plant stem cells for example. That's a fascinating new
Speaker 1: thing that's happening where uh you. There's a there's a
Speaker 1: woman named Jin Peier who has written a book about this.
Speaker 1: I can get you the title for it. It's it is.
Speaker 1: I read it not long ago. I wish I could
Speaker 1: access it anyway. Jim Peyer is her name pa yeu
Speaker 1: Are And essentially this is to make a long story short.
Speaker 1: She now owns a company that goes in and basically
Speaker 1: harvests what was probably Hildegarde von Bingen's herb garden a
Speaker 1: thousand years ago in the Italian Alps. And so they're
Speaker 1: going in and taking the budding aspects of plants, flowers
Speaker 1: and trees, and then they're using spijerics. They're macerating them,
Speaker 1: and they're turning them into stem cells that actually act
Speaker 1: a lot like stem cells in your own body. But
Speaker 1: even though you're not a plant. It's crazy, crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: The healing properties of these things are completely off the charts.
Speaker 1: And when these doctors have looked at the structured water
Speaker 1: in these stem cells, in these in these these liquid concoctions,
Speaker 1: they they are nearly identical to structured water inside a
Speaker 1: healthy human cell.
Speaker 8: So, for people who don't know, spajiics are a combination
Speaker 8: of a plant's salt, sulfur, and mercury that they recombine
Speaker 8: and then create a medicine out of. So you would
Speaker 8: have the alcohol of the plant, you would have the
Speaker 8: ashes of the plant, you would have the essential oils
Speaker 8: from the plant, all recombined. Is there another addition to
Speaker 8: that technique that she uses that you know of, You.
Speaker 1: Mean a different part of the technique right, Well, the
Speaker 1: main thing isn't technical, although spajiics are used to enhance
Speaker 1: these things. The main thing is that you're harvesting the
Speaker 1: budding aspects of these plants. Usually the harvesting the mature
Speaker 1: parts of these plants. When they've gone through their growing
Speaker 1: season and they don't have any stem cells left, all
Speaker 1: of the power is really gone. It's amazing that herbs
Speaker 1: and herbology work as well as they do because you're
Speaker 1: basically using the leftovers of the vitality of the plant.
Speaker 1: So they go in and and and get the the
Speaker 1: raw vegetable power of these these different different types of
Speaker 1: trees and shrubs and flowers. It's amazing. And then they
Speaker 1: are they have very specific uses you might you know,
Speaker 1: be aware of, you know, the use of a dandelion
Speaker 1: or whatever. So some of them are they're pretty well
Speaker 1: known what they do. It's just that these are kind
Speaker 1: of like herbs on steroids to kind of make a joke.
Speaker 1: They're they're so powerful that they they put a lot
Speaker 1: of herbology into a completely different context. Now, having said that,
Speaker 1: they can also be used in tandem with other earths.
Speaker 1: They can be used in tandem with homeopathics. They can
Speaker 1: be used if you're having to take allopathic medicines, you know, drugs,
Speaker 1: and they can make things uh more powerful, more effective,
Speaker 1: and they can also help by reducing the the side
Speaker 1: effects and the negative effects Herzheimer reactions that sort of thing,
Speaker 1: because they actually drain your system of toxins in a
Speaker 1: in a in a different way from a lot of
Speaker 1: other approaches. There's a there's drainage in detox, so they
Speaker 1: actually drain where they where they They allow your body
Speaker 1: to use your your phase one liver detox mostly to
Speaker 1: get this stuff out of your body. Herzheimer reactions happen
Speaker 1: when people end up sliding into phase two conjugation, where
Speaker 1: the liver has to tag everything and with you know,
Speaker 1: using glued to thion and then then you're into like, Okay,
Speaker 1: the body is on the defensive and it's getting beaten
Speaker 1: up by the toxins. If it can basically handle talksin
Speaker 1: through its filtration of phase one liver detox, you're good
Speaker 1: to go. So what these things do is they let
Speaker 1: your body detox really intense things by first draining them
Speaker 1: out and then letting the liver just filter them through
Speaker 1: phase one liver detox.
Speaker 8: That's really interesting from what I know of the spagirics
Speaker 8: is it's a beginning phase to getting the plants Stone,
Speaker 8: which would be like a version of the Philosopher's Stone
Speaker 8: that can instantly transmute plants.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if you're aware that my new book,
Speaker 1: Get Out of Here Alive is all about the Philosopher's
Speaker 1: Stone basically, and it's about creating your own Philosopher's Stone
Speaker 1: inside your body. My take is that it's definitely not
Speaker 1: some little stone that you stick in your pocket like
Speaker 1: in Harry Potter that lets you live forever. It's something
Speaker 1: that you create energetically in your solar plexus region or
Speaker 1: in your womb.
Speaker 3: If you're a woman, may I ask along that line,
Speaker 3: can you give us some of your experiences or maybe
Speaker 3: ideas of inspiration pertaining to do that, maybe via Chee
Speaker 3: your Chiegung practice, and maybe inspire people to look into
Speaker 3: a practice like that for maybe that very goal of.
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't, I mean, I didn't really come at
Speaker 1: that notion from my work with Chigong. It helped me
Speaker 1: in other ways, but that that wasn't a piece that
Speaker 1: I got from that work at the time. In retrospect,
Speaker 1: looking back on it, I see it more clearly. There's
Speaker 1: a there's a great writer on inner alchemy named John Kreiter.
Speaker 1: He would be wonderful on the show if he were
Speaker 1: willing to come on. I don't know if that's the
Speaker 1: sort of thing he does. He's even more private and
Speaker 1: elusive than I am. In any case. He has a
Speaker 1: series of books called the magnum Opus Trilogy on inner alchemy,
Speaker 1: which is more of a westernized version. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with him, Ethan.
Speaker 4: I've seen his books.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, no, not particularly.
Speaker 1: No, So anyway, what I would say is that the
Speaker 1: work that I'm doing, I actually have practical things you
Speaker 1: can do to begin working on creating your Philosopher's Stone
Speaker 1: in my materials, including a new type of bodywork slash
Speaker 1: breath work called pragmaalchemy, and you can check all of
Speaker 1: that out on slukmun dot substack dot com. The first
Speaker 1: three exercises are just available to the public, and you
Speaker 1: can spend months, if not years, just doing these three exercises.
Speaker 1: So they are designed to help you essentially heal your trauma,
Speaker 1: take back your energy, get yourself off of bad timelines.
Speaker 1: Moving forward back to what we were talking about a
Speaker 1: few minutes ago. With the help a vowel can change
Speaker 1: a whole reality and accumulate all that energy in your
Speaker 1: solar plexus area, then pack it into this until it
Speaker 1: begins to actually turn into what I think of as
Speaker 1: kind of a hyper dimensional piezoelectric stone.
Speaker 8: That sounds about light. I mean, if you're talking about
Speaker 8: doing the reverberations, that's really where the change comes between
Speaker 8: the spigeric and the plant stone, as they have way
Speaker 8: higher rates of reverberation, and it's through those reverberations that
Speaker 8: you get an elevated material. So that sounds like you're
Speaker 8: doing the same process within the body.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does sound a lot like that. And it's
Speaker 1: really interesting how the plants, even taken in this way,
Speaker 1: can be almost like guides. They can communicate with you
Speaker 1: and teach you things. And in fact, I'm fairly certain
Speaker 1: that's one of the ways we learned so much about
Speaker 1: plants is that they just taught us about themselves, and
Speaker 1: they were they were communicating with people who were willing
Speaker 1: and able to listen at a time when maybe there
Speaker 1: was less static or something like that. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: why but in any case, clearly very ancient people's had extensive, profound,
Speaker 1: transformational knowledge of plants and how to use them.
Speaker 5: H I know there is a that's police on the
Speaker 5: spot here, but I think there's even like a tale
Speaker 5: says that that the plants will actually talk to you.
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, one, That's actually what I was gonna ask too.
Speaker 6: That's a good question, m Shaman and Peru said, yeah. No,
Speaker 6: as Shaman and Peru had said to me that, because
Speaker 6: I had asked what the process was to become a shaman,
Speaker 6: and it was you leave your tribe and you go
Speaker 6: into the forest, rainforest, and you give up meat and
Speaker 6: all forms of fornication, and you sit and you commune
Speaker 6: with the plants until they start.
Speaker 1: To speak to you.
Speaker 6: And it's and you go a minimum of a year,
Speaker 6: but you know, about two years or something, and you
Speaker 6: come back with the plants having told you everything that
Speaker 6: they need to tell you, and mainly tell you what
Speaker 6: what their use is for. But and and then obviously
Speaker 6: he went on to say how everything corresponds to each other,
Speaker 6: Like he said, the bite of the snake and he
Speaker 6: held a tax a germayed snake or whatever, and he
Speaker 6: goes the cure to this is this bark and he
Speaker 6: laid it next to the dead snake and head corresponding
Speaker 6: checkerboard pattern. And so you see how like it everything
Speaker 6: in nature basically mirrors each other of what is cure?
Speaker 6: I mean, what what cures? You know what alienment based on?
Speaker 6: I know there's a there's a term for that in
Speaker 6: terms of medicine.
Speaker 2: But doctrine of signatures.
Speaker 6: Sorry, Lisa, thank you, Yes, that's exact doctrine of signatures.
Speaker 6: That's exactly it. But and then to insert what's interesting
Speaker 6: is it you sed to how like plants receive information
Speaker 6: and it is believed how with us in our blood
Speaker 6: we carry iron. It's a metal, it's a receiver, or
Speaker 6: at least iron can be used as a conductor of
Speaker 6: some sort of electricity receiving. And when you look at
Speaker 6: chlorophyll and plants, they carry magnesium in the place of
Speaker 6: where we would carry iron, and magnesium is an earth metal,
Speaker 6: so that would also be somewhat of a receiver. So
Speaker 6: just interesting when you said that, awesome.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you, you know I was, I was wondering.
Speaker 5: It just sounds silly, but like I have said, like
Speaker 5: when I've had magical experiences. I think you like understand
Speaker 5: the things you maybe couldn't make make sense of prior.
Speaker 5: I'm wondering if maybe wherever you are might make a
Speaker 5: difference too, of what you understand when you come to
Speaker 5: because like now I'm even wondering if that makes sense.
Speaker 5: Why why so my cult is go to certain places.
Speaker 5: Maybe they like just not saying that this is the case.
Speaker 5: But maybe Crowley was in the desert because he thought
Speaker 5: there was already something underneath the ground. Who the fuck knows,
Speaker 5: I don't know, but like, like, uh, you this is
Speaker 5: something to that effect, like uh, like was it was
Speaker 5: was Manson trying to go to wherever in Mexico to
Speaker 5: go have a magical experience somewhere in the rainforest, but
Speaker 5: there's tons of things over there to pick up on.
Speaker 4: I don't know. It just sounds like stone thought that
Speaker 4: I just have right now.
Speaker 10: That's great, Well, I suspect, yeah, that's why. That's why
Speaker 10: I'll go ahead to apologizes.
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm interested to hear what you have to say.
Speaker 9: No, I was, well, I was just going to say
Speaker 9: places like I'm a big mound dude. You're familiar with
Speaker 9: the ancient architecture of America, the mounds places like Serpent Mounds,
Speaker 9: you know, the largest effigy mound in the world sits
Speaker 9: in Adams County, Ohio. Kind of a universal calendar of
Speaker 9: of the world we live in as far as determining
Speaker 9: the you know, elements of nature and seasons and phases
Speaker 9: of the everything, the moon, the sky, everything.
Speaker 10: But it's, uh, it's.
Speaker 9: Revered by all the New Age cultures. They go there
Speaker 9: on you know, solstices and whatnot and have you know,
Speaker 9: you know, big big situations. And maybe they don't call
Speaker 9: them rituals. They certainly look like it to me. But
Speaker 9: whom who might have who might have declared a ritual?
Speaker 10: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's great, that's great. Well, I was just going to
Speaker 1: tell you Nick that, Yeah, when I was when I
Speaker 1: was sick and trying to figure out how to get
Speaker 1: well back in back in the day, and I was
Speaker 1: being led down to Brazil. I we my partner Lee
Speaker 1: and I. She and I chose a very specific place
Speaker 1: in Brazil to go to, which was this little town
Speaker 1: called Boozios. And we chose it because it was one
Speaker 1: of the closest UH towns that we could access to
Speaker 1: one of ivan Sanderson's Devil's Graveyards if you are familiar
Speaker 1: with his his research. This researcher back in back, years
Speaker 1: years ago named Ivan Sanderson. He theorized that the Earth
Speaker 1: was made up of twelve vortex points and he grated
Speaker 1: it out and drew, you know, exactly on the map
Speaker 1: where these things would be, and that's where you get
Speaker 1: It's like the Remuni Triangle is one of these things.
Speaker 1: That's where you get all the crazy sightings and disappearances
Speaker 1: and reappearances and all that stuff. And they always happen
Speaker 1: on these like Devil's graveyards. So we went to Boothio
Speaker 1: thinking that the veil between worlds would be a lot
Speaker 1: thinner and we might get more information. We might get
Speaker 1: more and that's where we had those crazy lights that
Speaker 1: came across the water and hopped in our bodies. Sure enough,
Speaker 1: you know, boom, it was like it worked.
Speaker 5: That's interesting, Lisa, Is there anything or headless, anything that
Speaker 5: you too wanted to add to this?
Speaker 8: I'd like to add I'd like to get the name
Speaker 8: of that book, please, that's.
Speaker 1: In potentiate your I tell that story. I don't know
Speaker 1: that iverson. Ivan Sanderson actually himself wrote a book. He's
Speaker 1: a pretty famous figure from back in the day. I
Speaker 1: mean he was on you know, talk shows and other things.
Speaker 1: You know, it's pretty well known. He's also the researcher
Speaker 1: who went and saw the Minnesota Iceman, if you're familiar
Speaker 1: with that story from bigfoot lore, and he looked at it,
Speaker 1: and he was a scientist and he said, there's basically
Speaker 1: no way this is a fake. This is the real thing.
Speaker 1: And so he is a dissenting voice on the on
Speaker 1: the subject of Bigfoot, which is a character in my
Speaker 1: Novel's News. So I actually cite Sanderson and his research
Speaker 1: in that novel, as well as well as the amazing
Speaker 1: work on this subject by Lloyd Pie, one of the
Speaker 1: greatest of all the crypto research researchers, the great, late
Speaker 1: great Lloyd Pie.
Speaker 2: He died about a decade ago.
Speaker 9: Right, well, I have a I have a question. If
Speaker 9: you don't mind there, Nick, you're about to say something, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I forgot unfortunreth, I'm in for the same.
Speaker 10: It looks like you balked. So I came here.
Speaker 9: So if I remember crypt sir, we we started this
Speaker 9: journey here about an hour ago. You describe me some
Speaker 9: mystical experiences down in Brazil. Is that is that correct? Yep, so,
Speaker 9: and that's kind of how DNA was founded, right Francis
Speaker 9: Creek was big into some mystical experiences as well, with
Speaker 9: some some LSD and whatnot.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, that's how the story, how the story goes.
Speaker 1: I've heard people dispute that, but I would not be
Speaker 1: surprised if that were the case.
Speaker 9: Actually, yeah, I mean, you know, from my understanding that is,
Speaker 9: I've seen a lot of disputing you but I mean
Speaker 9: from from some credible sources. And you know, I believe
Speaker 9: it was the folks down their maps to the extensive
Speaker 9: peace on it, you know, when after he died. So
Speaker 9: it's uh, you know, obviously they're pro psychedelics. But what
Speaker 9: I'm saying is, I think there's an argument to be
Speaker 9: made that, based on Crick's own admissions and statements.
Speaker 10: That's exactly what occurred. Whether or not it's a popular
Speaker 10: idea or not, that's probably what's what's really a dispute.
Speaker 9: But I think it's interesting that, you know, in the
Speaker 9: concept of word of these ideas come from.
Speaker 10: Do you have to be.
Speaker 9: Doing some mystical elution, jenic experiences, the talk to the
Speaker 9: DNA or is the DNA talking to you to folks
Speaker 9: through this like Krick. You know, do Krick discover the
Speaker 9: DNA or did the DNA discover Krick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't believe you have to be doing anything
Speaker 1: except listening. I think it's just part of our our
Speaker 1: our human technology. Having said that, there's you know, you
Speaker 1: have Jeremy Narby writing The Cosmic Serpent about shamans in
Speaker 1: South America who would take certain potions to be able
Speaker 1: to see. Essentially what Narbi theorized was DNA and this
Speaker 1: this this would talk to the shamans and tell them
Speaker 1: how to heal people, and specifically they would give them
Speaker 1: sound and light codes that they could sing and think
Speaker 1: to make people well. And that was one of the
Speaker 1: major inspirations behind potentiation and regenetics.
Speaker 10: No, I'm definitely into those that's awesome. I'm definitely into
Speaker 10: those ideas.
Speaker 9: I'm certainly not uh anti intoxicants if that's what if
Speaker 9: that's how I came off before, but the the I
Speaker 9: am interested in the idea of where ideas come from
Speaker 9: and where thoughts come from. And I feel like, you know,
Speaker 9: certainly with my own mystical experiences through hallucinogens, that you know,
Speaker 9: I could see where some of these things may may
Speaker 9: go on, but it still begs the question of who's
Speaker 9: saw who's commune? K.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got to be you see.
Speaker 10: These shapes and stuff, those experiences and oh great.
Speaker 1: Oh I was just going to say, I think it's
Speaker 1: got to be a two way street. You know, everything
Speaker 1: is kind of a two way street. Back to this
Speaker 1: image of this the phone call, yeah, the the serpent
Speaker 1: biding its tail, everything just kind of circles around. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're we're being dreamed and we're dreaming, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's all part of this this construct that we're in.
Speaker 1: So I think that we're being we're we're being taught
Speaker 1: and we're teaching where we're we're listening and we're speaking
Speaker 1: always at the same time in a way where we're
Speaker 1: in that that dual communication. So what DNA is so
Speaker 1: amazing in that way because it's constantly you know, you know,
Speaker 1: it's constantly emitting and receiving information. It's it's its nature.
Speaker 9: Right, That's what I was kind of getting at with
Speaker 9: correct maybe plugging in his own DNA to some greater
Speaker 9: system with the communications because uh, the courtesy of you know,
Speaker 9: the LST.
Speaker 1: That is, yeah, right, right, sure. I mean I'm not
Speaker 1: denying that those types of substances can you know, can
Speaker 1: certainly amplify some of our own abilities. They can also
Speaker 1: distort and cause us to sure misinterpret what we're seeing.
Speaker 1: I think that is also a possibility.
Speaker 10: Sure, No, I can agree with that for sure.
Speaker 8: I think in a lot of ways, what you'll find
Speaker 8: is that there's the systematized approach versus the chaotic approach.
Speaker 8: And you know, with the chaotic approach, you never know
Speaker 8: what you're going to get.
Speaker 2: But people have been.
Speaker 8: Able to drill down and sort of systematize the experiences
Speaker 8: with the divine on a level to where you can
Speaker 8: actually get that tuning of your DNA towards that level.
Speaker 8: I think they've got the idea that God helmet and
Speaker 8: these other sort of devices that sort of change the
Speaker 8: frequency inside your brain to produce these responses. But I
Speaker 8: think that's that could be done even without the assistance
Speaker 8: of electromagnetics.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would agree, I would completely agree.
Speaker 3: I wonder, Saul, if you might share some insights into
Speaker 3: maybe contrasting allopathy or traditional conventional medicine and just not
Speaker 3: necessarily one form of verbal systems or alternative holistic healing.
Speaker 3: But just if someone is thinking about that inclination, and
Speaker 3: maybe you know of a tonic that is or an
Speaker 3: herb that is generally good for uplifting the immune systems
Speaker 3: of us, all that people might consider.
Speaker 1: Thanks, Okay, yeah, that's a good that's a good question.
Speaker 1: The In order to respond to the part about allopathic
Speaker 1: medicine in relation to other other forms of healing, uh,
Speaker 1: let me just let me cite the work of Larry Dossi, Uh,
Speaker 1: doctor Larry Dossi, who wrote a number of books once
Speaker 1: called Healing Words. Another one was the Reinventing Medicine. And
Speaker 1: I actually map all of this out in potentially at
Speaker 1: your DNA. It's a it's a it's a fascinating model.
Speaker 1: And he basically divided he basically divided the history of
Speaker 1: medicine into three eras. So the first one was what
Speaker 1: he called Era one, and that was essentially, UH, physical medicine,
Speaker 1: the body as a machine, how to how focused on
Speaker 1: how to just you know, correct physical imbalances and that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And you couldn't you could include in
Speaker 1: that some of the early the early chemistry experiments, spigerics,
Speaker 1: you know, herbs, other types of healing. So again we're
Speaker 1: looking at the chemistry, the physical makeup of the body.
Speaker 1: And then and then at some point in time and
Speaker 1: his model, we moved into Era two, which was mind
Speaker 1: body medicine, and so we get into psychology, psychotherapy, power
Speaker 1: of positive thinking, and you know, all of that, and
Speaker 1: we were looking at you know, mind body connections and
Speaker 1: that's certainly been a very very rich area of research.
Speaker 1: Epigenetics would be an example of mind body medicine in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. What's fascinating about about doctor Dossi's model.
Speaker 1: We're talking about a cardiologist here, right, and so so
Speaker 1: his third era is fascinating for him. Era three is
Speaker 1: non local. It's the non local era, and it's when
Speaker 1: all these quantum effects, these consciousness effects, of the power
Speaker 1: of the imagination, the power of feeling. I write about
Speaker 1: the power of positive feeling, for example, as a way
Speaker 1: of generating these possibilities like you were talking about headless
Speaker 1: about you know, you don't even need the headset or whatever.
Speaker 1: I totally agree. You can use other parts of your
Speaker 1: being to achieve these sometimes miraculous effects. One of the
Speaker 1: things that's fascinating about the plant stem cells. Ethan is
Speaker 1: that they have the ability to this will. This was
Speaker 1: very elucidating for me because we think that everything has
Speaker 1: a role and it must behave in a certain way,
Speaker 1: and this is how it is. That's kind of the
Speaker 1: way our science and our medicine look at things. Research
Speaker 1: has shown relative to these plant stem cells that they
Speaker 1: are capable of taking a damaged organ system like your
Speaker 1: liver is not functioning that well right, and conscripting, for example,
Speaker 1: the kidneys to perform liver functions until your liver comes
Speaker 1: back online. It's fascinating. This shouldn't be happening, but it
Speaker 1: is happening. So, uh, you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: food for thought there in terms of like immune herbs
Speaker 1: that that you know, to look at from a from
Speaker 1: a plant spirit medicine perspective or a plant stem cell perspective.
Speaker 1: There's black current dog rows is a good one. Box
Speaker 1: would silver fur is really pretty amazing. Silver fur is
Speaker 1: really great at regrowing bone and getting osteoblasts to come
Speaker 1: online and that sort of thing. So you can do
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of very very powerful regeneration using
Speaker 1: those types of elements. And I'm not an expert in this.
Speaker 1: By any means I got off on this because it's
Speaker 1: something I've been studying, you know, I continue to learn things,
Speaker 1: you know, myself. So I'm just a student of all
Speaker 1: of this right now. I don't I'm not. I don't
Speaker 1: pretend to be, you know, an authority on this subject.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is the stem cell plant stem cell idea
Speaker 3: is absolutely you said it fascinating. Thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I do. I do recommend that people
Speaker 1: go and check out Gen's work. I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: what her book title is right now, because I feel
Speaker 1: like I've dropped the ball on that and I can't
Speaker 1: seem to find it in my in my bookmarks, which
Speaker 1: is weird. But anyway, Yeah, it's ancient plant wisdom how
Speaker 1: to improve and maintain your health using concentrated plant stem
Speaker 1: cell remedies. So ancient plant wisdom.
Speaker 5: I wonder if that's why I see a lot of
Speaker 5: a cult this into botany. It's really interesting, especially amongst
Speaker 5: the Nazis that are big into botany.
Speaker 6: But do you do you realize the the nod the
Speaker 6: implications that that says is that so stem cells at
Speaker 6: its theory is a plur potent, totopotent cell. It basically
Speaker 6: contains all the blueprint, all the information to become any
Speaker 6: cell in the body. Right, And to say that a
Speaker 6: stem cell from an entire different kingdom, forget phylum, forget
Speaker 6: family order, all that stuff, but to a whole other
Speaker 6: genre or kingdom of species that can create a cell
Speaker 6: that functions in another organism. So what does that mean?
Speaker 6: We are plants, we come from plants, we all come
Speaker 6: from source. Do we all contain the exact same DNA?
Speaker 6: And it doesn't matter what species you have. You can
Speaker 6: now create any specie of any whatever based on all
Speaker 6: totopotent cell.
Speaker 8: This is where the alchemy comes in because in the
Speaker 8: concept behind plant alchemy, taking this salt sulfur mercury from
Speaker 8: these plants, it then has a resonance with the salt
Speaker 8: sulfur mercury in other kingdoms. So they had three kingdoms.
Speaker 8: They had the plant, the animal, and the mineral. And
Speaker 8: so by making something that was potent enough using the
Speaker 8: principles of a different kingdom, you could create a residence
Speaker 8: within the animal kingdom or the mineral kingdom as well.
Speaker 8: So there is something to that.
Speaker 1: What's very interesting when you look at that tree of
Speaker 1: Prima recipe, which is what you're talking about, the salt
Speaker 1: sulfur mercury. You know, John Krider looks at it from
Speaker 1: a different perspective, from an inner alchemy perspective, and he
Speaker 1: basically talks about how it's the it's the out, it's
Speaker 1: the outbreath, the in breath, and the void, the void
Speaker 1: between them. And what you're doing with the Tree of
Speaker 1: Prima in inner alchemy is using the imagination the attention
Speaker 1: to do the types of things you're talking about doing
Speaker 1: al chemically or chemically. So I would say that we
Speaker 1: have the ability to turn on our own stem cells
Speaker 1: in our own bodies to There's tons of at least
Speaker 1: anecdotal evidence to support the idea that there are people
Speaker 1: walking around who are really old, like Saint Germain, who've
Speaker 1: been doing this for a long time, basically just rebooting
Speaker 1: the body. And you know, you have Castanata's work and
Speaker 1: shamanism all about, you know, the death to fire, and
Speaker 1: so this is happening, and it's really really just a
Speaker 1: utilization of the mind, of the imagination. We don't need
Speaker 1: even a science. We just need people who can become
Speaker 1: childlike again as an adult and utilize that power that
Speaker 1: they can then tap into and store a way to
Speaker 1: perform miracles.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I had a quick fall up for Lisa.
Speaker 7: It was really interesting that everything that you said, Lisa,
Speaker 7: I totally agree with you. I think there's an interesting
Speaker 7: idea in American herbalism that the plants that we consider
Speaker 7: sometimes invasive, but they grow in specific, very specific georegional areas,
Speaker 7: are actually attracted to like the chronic illnesses that are
Speaker 7: aggregated in that region. So like the things growing nearest
Speaker 7: to you or nearest certain areas are actually drawn to
Speaker 7: actually the infirmities of the land, because you could you
Speaker 7: could consider the manifestation of illness. This is like sort
Speaker 7: of drawing also from JJ and like the mound stuff, right,
Speaker 7: It's like the infirm like the manifestation of illness is
Speaker 7: also a discontinuity in the land, like the geoontological relations
Speaker 7: are out of balance. So uprising would be in Buddhism,
Speaker 7: we would say it was NAUGA diseases. So any kinds
Speaker 7: of sorry, no, no, no, that's that I'm done.
Speaker 6: No, well, I mean because it would be evolutionary beneficial
Speaker 6: to be available for something that that species is lacking,
Speaker 6: because that means that that species will consume it more
Speaker 6: and pass along the seeds and propagate it more. So
Speaker 6: we would be evolutionarily beneficial to provide some sort of deficient,
Speaker 6: some sort of benefit to the deficiency of the species
Speaker 6: that will propagate you or help to propagate you. So
Speaker 6: I could see that absolutely makes sense. I mean, and
Speaker 6: I don't know how true this is, but I heard
Speaker 6: that people used to choose seeds or whatever, and as
Speaker 6: it passes through your body, it detects things that it
Speaker 6: lacks or your body lacks, and so therefore it re
Speaker 6: organizes its genome to provide benefit to the organism that
Speaker 6: consumed it, because it would only benefit if it keeps
Speaker 6: providing a benefit to that species that consumed it. I
Speaker 6: don't know how true that is, but I've heard it somewhere.
Speaker 8: It's like jewel weed and poison ivy, how they grow
Speaker 8: on each other and one takes care of the other.
Speaker 8: But also I think they only keep it in their mouths.
Speaker 8: So I've seen a lot of holistic farmers doing that,
Speaker 8: putting the seeds in their mouths and then planting it
Speaker 8: because apparently it will take the information from your saliva.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I have heard of that.
Speaker 6: That's exactly it. I mean, same same concept when when
Speaker 6: when a newborn is suckling or nursing I'm sorry, nursing,
Speaker 6: any kind of deficiency or anything like that feeds back
Speaker 6: to the memory gland and up the pituitary. In the
Speaker 6: petuitary formulates everything in the female so she can admit
Speaker 6: it back out into the milk in order to provide
Speaker 6: healing or anything like that. So, I mean the concept
Speaker 6: is there, it's been proven. It just I don't think
Speaker 6: it's been tested. So that's that's very interesting.
Speaker 5: Okay. Uh, anybody else have anything they want to ask
Speaker 5: A Lisa, did you want to bring up another thing
Speaker 5: with the vowels.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I kind of wanted it. Sorry, I wanted to
Speaker 6: revisit the vowel part so that you had kind of
Speaker 6: started on at the beginning, and how you structured the
Speaker 6: vowels to DNA and kind of like a segue from
Speaker 6: DNA now back into vowels that you were touching upon
Speaker 6: early on in the episode.
Speaker 1: If I understand your question, the basic methodology was to
Speaker 1: do kinesiology to determine which vowels lined up with which
Speaker 1: nucleotides and was this a universal thing? Was it the
Speaker 1: same for different people. We also were looking at different
Speaker 1: energy families, this idea that people are not all the
Speaker 1: same energetically. There are actually twelve different tribes, as it were,
Speaker 1: twelve different groups of so called humans on the planet
Speaker 1: who have radically different energy structures. So when people talk
Speaker 1: about well, the heart energy, the heart chakra has to
Speaker 1: do with blah blah blah, well it does if you
Speaker 1: belong to that one family that it does. Otherwise the
Speaker 1: heart might have to do have a completely different energetic function.
Speaker 1: So there's no uniformity in terms of the energy system.
Speaker 1: So we were looking to see if the the the
Speaker 1: nucleotides lined up with the five vowels across all different groups,
Speaker 1: and they did so that was very, very interesting. So
Speaker 1: there was a kind of a unifying aspect of DNA
Speaker 1: across the human family, if you will.
Speaker 6: I guess the reason I've brought it up is because
Speaker 6: you know, Nick, when you mentioned that we covered about
Speaker 6: sigils and ciphers and what have you. Went to Gematria.
Speaker 6: There was a time when words or letters were linked
Speaker 6: in with numbers, and you had the alpha numerical system
Speaker 6: and what have you. Before we separated, and it was
Speaker 6: thought that you know that that letters had power and
Speaker 6: value or mathematical value of sorts. And so when you
Speaker 6: say vowels to nucleotides, it's almost like I believe you
Speaker 6: had mentioned something about that they're similar, and so it
Speaker 6: to me, it's it's almost begging the question. So then
Speaker 6: the vowels or slash nucleotides are breathing life or causing
Speaker 6: existence forth when they are placed you know, in a
Speaker 6: certain sequence, in a certain pattern.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's almost when as if when you agree
Speaker 1: with that, when you when you speak or seeing or
Speaker 1: think to them that the they it's almost like playing
Speaker 1: an instrument and they respond and they respond in some way.
Speaker 1: And by using different vowel placements, you can you can
Speaker 1: invite these these elements of the of the genomic structure
Speaker 1: to to do different things. You know, I always I
Speaker 1: always tipped a right back into the to the you know,
Speaker 1: the realm of miracles and magic and you know, seeming impossibilities.
Speaker 1: There's a wonderful part in the work of Ken Carrey,
Speaker 1: who wrote the start of the was it the star
Speaker 1: Seed Trilogy? Great great uh kind of a New Age writer,
Speaker 1: but very brilliant, very very poetic, uh uh thinker and writer,
Speaker 1: and he he proposed, you know, this kind of evolutionary
Speaker 1: trajectory where as we come more into our power. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is true or not on
Speaker 1: a species level, but the concept is so fascinating. It
Speaker 1: would be that we would sing. We would be able
Speaker 1: to sing to the elements, to our own bodies, for example,
Speaker 1: to tell them what to do in a very reciprocal,
Speaker 1: harmonious way. So you would and he called these songs
Speaker 1: of distinction, So you would sing to maybe your you know,
Speaker 1: your bones to grow stronger, and they would grow stronger.
Speaker 1: No no plants necessary, you know, just again the sheer
Speaker 1: energy of that intention and imagination. So when we got
Speaker 1: around to doing some regenetics related activations years ago that
Speaker 1: were designed to help the organ systems to kind of
Speaker 1: toonify the organs and strengthen the hormonal system, we call
Speaker 1: them songs of distinction in honor of King Carry.
Speaker 3: It makes me think of enhancing or even making parallel
Speaker 3: the para the sympathetic and parasympathetic parts of our nervous system, right,
Speaker 3: activating the more auto control aspect. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting that you brought that up, because once again,
Speaker 1: you know, we we have the three primary you know,
Speaker 1: you know, the the autonomic and the more the sympathetic
Speaker 1: parasympathetic systems can be looked at almost like, you know,
Speaker 1: we have the conscious part of our systems which is
Speaker 1: here with us in space time, and then there's this
Speaker 1: unconscious part of the nervous system that's sitting over in
Speaker 1: time space, and so we have to be able to
Speaker 1: actually have those interface or communicate in some ways. So
Speaker 1: when we do things like raising our energy, our intention,
Speaker 1: when we speak to parts of ourselves, when we use uh,
Speaker 1: you know, plant stem cells to help fortify our internal communication,
Speaker 1: if we use tuning for us, whatever we're doing, I
Speaker 1: think we're increasing the flow, the clean flow of information
Speaker 1: between those realms, and that's going to create more coherent
Speaker 1: and in better health.
Speaker 4: H h Gin.
Speaker 5: Friday Gin Yes, sir, Yes, I'm just gonna bring up
Speaker 5: that image on the bottom.
Speaker 7: Sure, well, just because Seoul has a reference the sleeping God,
Speaker 7: I just thought we would look at the moment like
Speaker 7: the og sleeping God. So this is Naryana or Vishnu
Speaker 7: or Maha Vishnu, although he doesn't he only has a
Speaker 7: one head in this image, and if he was, it
Speaker 7: was innate faces. So that's great, but it's it's implied,
Speaker 7: and he wears sush Naga as his crown. But in
Speaker 7: this image he's actually sleeping. He's sleeping on the supernal ocean,
Speaker 7: very Neptunian. So this is the sleeping guy.
Speaker 1: Thought of DNA. Look at all that DNA those nagas.
Speaker 7: Right, That's that's a very interesting way to frame him,
Speaker 7: because he is often depicted as a naga himself, like
Speaker 7: his legs are actually have the tail of a snake.
Speaker 7: But I will also say that in shaivite sort of
Speaker 7: puronic understanding, and obviously in contra he is not the
Speaker 7: finality or the terminus. He would just be sort of
Speaker 7: an what he's called is the Mahavira, the greater hero,
Speaker 7: the worldly hero, you could say.
Speaker 2: So he is just a.
Speaker 7: Cast member of the Leila, but he of himself is
Speaker 7: not the whatever, the force of motion. But of course
Speaker 7: in normative chronic weishnavism. Yes, certainly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And when I use that reference, I'm using it
Speaker 1: as a much more generic reference, you know, so I'm
Speaker 1: not actually pegging it to a specific tradition. But I
Speaker 1: do appreciate what you're saying about the you know, the
Speaker 1: not being the terminus in that way, So thanks for
Speaker 1: sharing that. I'm using it basically more more poetically. You know,
Speaker 1: this idea that we are you know, we are in
Speaker 1: a dream and that.
Speaker 12: We realities, and the the game of the construct is
Speaker 12: to become conscious of that we're doing that and to
Speaker 12: become better at it, and as we if we.
Speaker 1: Get good enough, we can actually kind of fractalize off
Speaker 1: and become the sleeping god of a new experiment. I
Speaker 1: question whether there is such a thing as a term
Speaker 1: us at all. I don't really think there is an
Speaker 1: alpha and or in omega. It's why we speak about
Speaker 1: the alpha and the omega because of the same thing.
Speaker 1: It's the raborius once again, so I would just have
Speaker 1: a different uh cosmology or you know, map of understanding
Speaker 1: how how things came into being and where we're going.
Speaker 4: Did uh anybody else have any they wanted to bring up?
Speaker 4: Ask soul? Was there anything?
Speaker 5: Was there anything other stuff that you might want to
Speaker 5: talk about that's like that's in your books, are on
Speaker 5: your site.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's been going for a while.
Speaker 1: I don't know how how long you usually go. I
Speaker 1: think I think we've covered some you know, some pretty
Speaker 1: uh meaty material here.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm fine.
Speaker 4: I just want to make sure.
Speaker 5: I just want to make sure you didn't leave anything
Speaker 5: off that you want to just make you know you
Speaker 5: wanted to talk about.
Speaker 1: I don't know if JJ had something going.
Speaker 9: On, sir, No, I was just giving it some So
Speaker 9: that was great and great material. I definitely appreciate your
Speaker 9: your time. There's song conversation insight, for sure.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I thank you, thank you all of
Speaker 1: you for great questions and insights. I mean, I learned
Speaker 1: a lot doing these interviews, and I would have to
Speaker 1: say I've learned a lot on this one. I made
Speaker 1: a bunch of notes of my little note note app
Speaker 1: you know, lots of stuff to look into. So I really,
Speaker 1: I really am thankful to all of you for bringing
Speaker 1: that to me.
Speaker 6: Hell yeah, hell, that was great in terms of the
Speaker 6: DNA soul maybe and Nick can tell you more in
Speaker 6: gen the ephyer yet yet, Sarah, they they talk about
Speaker 6: that extensively. Weirdly enough cool connection to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the I do write a little bit about the
Speaker 1: sepher want in one of the chapters of one of
Speaker 1: my books.
Speaker 2: You know, and an action.
Speaker 4: Awesome.
Speaker 5: All right, well, uh, I guess we'll let everybody kind of,
Speaker 5: you know, give them a little spiel. Lisa, thank you
Speaker 5: very much for joining us. I appreciate it. Helliah, anything
Speaker 5: you want to.
Speaker 6: Do, just Occult Research Institute dot org. We have some
Speaker 6: contributors from the ocult rejects that contribute really cool stuff,
Speaker 6: literary stuff. So check us out a cult research into
Speaker 6: dot org.
Speaker 5: Awesome, thank you very much, Frida Gin, thank you, boss,
Speaker 5: and thank you Lisa, Headless JJ and of course Ethan
Speaker 5: and our guest, so thank you and thank you for
Speaker 5: inviting me on.
Speaker 7: It's not really our guests, it's your guest, but you
Speaker 7: know we're on across table.
Speaker 2: I guess so, and thank you.
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Speaker 7: It is also at Threshold Saints and Neckball my link
Speaker 7: tree in the bottom Michael is. Thank you guys so much,
Speaker 7: really fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, I appreciate you joining us. And Headless Giant,
Speaker 4: what is up, my man?
Speaker 8: How's it going? So you've got about an hour left?
Speaker 8: Get those emails? Fill up that in bugs all right,
Speaker 8: so you can find me on YouTube and Twitter headless Chat.
Speaker 8: Thank you so much for coming on.
Speaker 1: It's all.
Speaker 8: I got a whole page full of notes too, so yeah,
Speaker 8: this is great pleasure.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, that was the defin. That was definitely fun.
Speaker 5: It kind of burnt me out pretty quick. Actually, I
Speaker 5: thought it a little bit too hard. I think, yeah,
Speaker 5: then like I had this whole thing in my head
Speaker 5: and then I lost it and I was like, fuck man.
Speaker 5: Uh JJ sir, please let everybody know where they can
Speaker 5: find your amazing work.
Speaker 9: Nick is always I appreciate the invite, good sir, and
Speaker 9: fellow cult rejects is always fantastic conversation. Great to meet you, Saul,
Speaker 9: and I agree with Headless there. I also have a
Speaker 9: lot of notes that I've taken here as well, so
Speaker 9: it's a appre share your time and insights.
Speaker 10: Again, it's great conversation.
Speaker 9: And JJ Van's host of Operation GCD more notably not
Speaker 9: the vice president and uh I do you enjoy the
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Speaker 9: and and you if you like dark comedies and unfortunate events,
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Speaker 10: Appreciate you all's time.
Speaker 4: That is great. That is great. And Ethan Indigo, sir, please.
Speaker 3: Thank you everyone saw that was very educational and inspiring.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate you sharing all that and everyone always
Speaker 3: always great to communicate with you Ethan Indigo on all
Speaker 3: the usual social media and a cult research institute have
Speaker 3: an article or two and so yeah, thank you everyone.
Speaker 2: That was awesome, so awesome.
Speaker 4: Thank you sir and Soul.
Speaker 5: Please let everybody know again where they can find all
Speaker 5: your stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you Nick. Thanks to everybody for your time
Speaker 1: and the precious gift of your attention. For sure, I'm
Speaker 1: at Saul Luckman dot substack dot com. Please stop by
Speaker 1: say hello. You can subscribe for free, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to say I'm very open to coming on. You know,
Speaker 1: if you've got you've got a podcast where any of
Speaker 1: this material would resonate, you know, let me know, reach
Speaker 1: out to me. You can contact me through through the substack,
Speaker 1: and yeah, let's let's talk about that. I like talking
Speaker 1: about this, I don't, you know. It's like I in
Speaker 1: terms of my tribe. You know, someone had left to comment.
Speaker 1: I saw maybe they did like a super chat type
Speaker 1: of thing, and they're like, you know, thank you for
Speaker 1: speaking my language. And I'm like, that's it's kind of
Speaker 1: like me like sitting around with you guys. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like this is my kind of like the virtual
Speaker 1: family thing where oh yeah, we can actually understand each
Speaker 1: other at least a little bit. You know, we don't
Speaker 1: have to agree on everything. You speak exactly the same language,
Speaker 1: but it's just nice to spend time with people like you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate it. Now.
Speaker 5: This is a great, great, great talk for real. I
Speaker 5: was very excited, and thank you everybody in the chat too.
Speaker 5: And uh yeah, by the way, I do have souls
Speaker 5: links in the bottom already, I have the free download,
Speaker 5: and I do have a substack.
Speaker 4: Thank you for everybody in the chat.
Speaker 5: Thank you Donald Ferguson, and I guess since uh, before
Speaker 5: we end the live, Donald is coming on Sunday, so
Speaker 5: you know, big show. The guy's gonna blow our minds,
Speaker 5: so definitely catch it. Donald Ferguson, I think it's Sunday, yes,
Speaker 5: And thank you again everybody in the chat. That's why
Speaker 5: I went live. I thought there was some great stuff
Speaker 5: in there and that's what's up. And again, thank you
Speaker 5: all for joining me. And that was that was great stuff.
Speaker 5: And until the next one, everybody be well later