WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.759 --> 00:00:11.919 Hey, everybody, welcome to Game Mess Mornings with Me Jeff Grub, 2 00:00:11.919 --> 00:00:14.679 your host from giant bomb dot com. Thank you for 3 00:00:14.759 --> 00:00:16.760 tuning in. In this episode, we're going to be talking 4 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:20.399 about a silent hill in every pot, and everyone but 5 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:23.679 Mike loves Splatoon Raiders. It's gonna be a good one 6 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:25.480 because we have Jeff Backler on the show. 7 00:00:25.559 --> 00:00:26.559 Jeff, how are you doing? 8 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:30.480 I'm doing well. I'm wearing the gaming shirt I got 9 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:37.280 in my subscription box. It's super sick. Apparently Katamari Damassy 10 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:39.399 is the thing I like and I but no, I'm kidding. 11 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:44.960 I'm a diehard. Yeah, I'm og soon as again came. 12 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:46.679 At first one like I was like, I gotta get 13 00:00:46.679 --> 00:00:48.359 this game. I have no idea really what it's going 14 00:00:48.439 --> 00:00:50.600 to be about, but uh yeah, right from the beginning 15 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:51.560 I was there for Katamari. 16 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:53.920 So I'm very excited about that shirt. Looking good. 17 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:56.759 Thank you, Thank you pal. I'm very happy to be 18 00:00:56.799 --> 00:00:58.719 here on Jeff Jeff's Games Morning. 19 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:03.920 That's right. Yeah, I'm uh, I am. 20 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:06.159 I played a little bit of Splatoon Raiders and now 21 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:08.480 I'm like, I'm trying to wait and see if I'm 22 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:10.319 gonna end up agreeing with Mike or we have a 23 00:01:10.359 --> 00:01:13.799 story here about doing very well with the user reviews. 24 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:16.120 But that's what I have been playing since I got back. 25 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:18.200 You've been playing anything back? Are you been checking in 26 00:01:18.239 --> 00:01:19.359 on any games this week? 27 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:21.879 Yeah, I've been trying to convince myself that I should 28 00:01:21.920 --> 00:01:24.879 play more of Halo y same. 29 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:25.680 Yes, Uh. 30 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:29.719 If I could just insert a little aside here, I've 31 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:34.200 been soft locked no less than four times now in 32 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:38.040 this game because like, the war Hoog will get stuck 33 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:40.920 on a rock or something, and then I can't get 34 00:01:40.959 --> 00:01:43.760 back into it. The game like, won't let me drive 35 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:46.200 the war Hoog when it's like, you know, sort of 36 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:49.519 split on something weird and I have to restart the checkpoint. 37 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:52.959 Guess where the checkpoint was. It was right after my 38 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:56.560 war Hoog got stuck, So I know, Yeah, it's happened. 39 00:01:56.599 --> 00:01:58.959 I'm not Joe, I shit you not. It happened twice 40 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:00.879 last night, and I was like, what the fuck is 41 00:02:00.920 --> 00:02:04.280 going on? Yes, chat mechanize. I had to malay the 42 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:07.400 shit out of my warhaw so that it moved a 43 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:11.360 few frames off whatever collision was happening, so that it 44 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:14.639 could detect the opportunity to enter and drive it again. 45 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:19.039 Look I think, Yeah, I'm having an okay time with it. 46 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:21.840 I feel bad about shooting grunts. We've talked about this, 47 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:25.280 of course, but yeah, I don't know. I'm waiting for 48 00:02:25.319 --> 00:02:27.719 a couple other things to open up for me. But 49 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:28.879 that's what I'm playing right now. 50 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:33.080 Yeah, I have not had those experiences yet, but definitely 51 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:34.400 sounds a little bit like Halo. 52 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:37.560 I don't know. I'll probably stick with it for a. 53 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:39.960 Little bit longer, but yeah, there's other games coming, and 54 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:43.960 once those get in my purview here, I'll probably drop it. 55 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:46.840 It's nothing, not like the game has any problems. I'm 56 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:50.280 just not like overwhelmed with the emotions to play that 57 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:51.039 game or something like. 58 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:53.240 It's a rest stop game, you know what I mean. Right, 59 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:56.479 I'm a little bill in there waiting for the tank 60 00:02:56.560 --> 00:02:58.560 to fill up and then I'm bouncing off this thing. 61 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:01.520 Yeah, yes, Zacy Sacy says street Fighter two. 62 00:03:01.560 --> 00:03:01.680 Yea. 63 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:03.680 I am imagining Ken coming out and just beating the 64 00:03:03.719 --> 00:03:06.000 shit out of the war Hug thinks it's. 65 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:08.319 Kind of what I had to do. My other guys 66 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:09.960 are like, what are you doing. I'm like, I gotta 67 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:12.560 move this all right, I need the PCs like stop, 68 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:13.319 don't do that. 69 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:15.639 I'm not walking. Yeah, it's insane. 70 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:18.680 All right, let's explain ourselves. We're giant Bomb. 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Double Fine Productions has announced 96 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:30.480 that it has laid off twenty three members of its 97 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:33.839 development staff. The studio, founded in two thousand by former 98 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:37.759 LucasArts veteran Tim Schaeffer, was acquired by Mike, was acquired 99 00:04:37.800 --> 00:04:42.519 by Microsoft in twenty nineteen and developed rad psychoedouts to Keeper, 100 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:46.519 KILLN After and KILLN after That. Following news last month 101 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:49.240 that Xbox planned to cut thousands of jobs as part 102 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:52.600 of what CEO Asha Sharma called the most significant restructure 103 00:04:52.600 --> 00:04:56.279 in Xbox history, however, a number of Microsoft owned studios 104 00:04:56.279 --> 00:04:59.279 to faced closure. Some of those studios started negotiating with 105 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:03.319 Xbox to go independent in an attempt to avoid complete closure, 106 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:06.600 and Double Find was successful in these negotiations, along with 107 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:11.360 South of Midnight studio Compulsion Games. As a newly independent studio, however, 108 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:13.519 Double Find has found itself having to cut costs to 109 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:16.839 remain a going concern, which it says has led to 110 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:20.040 layoffs Double Find Today, Double Find Productions let go of 111 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:22.279 twenty three members of our staff. As a small, tightly 112 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:25.600 knit team, these actions are not taking lightly taken lightly. 113 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:26.839 Only the survival. 114 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:28.680 Of our of our studio would ever make us consider 115 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:32.600 such a painful action. Our transition to becoming an independent 116 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:36.560 company also means becoming a size that we can sustain. See, 117 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:40.000 I mean, I think everyone knew this was part of it, right, 118 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:42.680 Like the idea here of Microsoft, Oh, we're laying off 119 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:45.279 these people and then we're going to let these teams go. 120 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:46.959 Well, those are also layoffs. 121 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:49.439 Those are job cuts that no longer exist that a 122 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:53.120 new company, newly formed as independent will have to sort 123 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:55.160 of create out like out of thin air. 124 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:57.439 For the most part, not entirely. 125 00:05:57.519 --> 00:06:01.279 Obviously, having the infrastructure there to take a studio independent 126 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:04.199 and start making stuff well ensure some of those jobs 127 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:05.040 can transition. 128 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:06.759 But the money's gone. 129 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:10.160 The money was coming from Microsoft and now it disappeared, 130 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:13.439 So they were always going to have to probably make 131 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:16.279 these cuts. So it's like, yeah, double fine, is lay 132 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:18.360 enough twenty three staff? This is still part of the 133 00:06:18.519 --> 00:06:20.759 Xbox layoffs though, right, that's right? 134 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:23.800 What are we so is the implication that there is 135 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:29.279 no new backer here? Or I mean sounds like no, right, 136 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:33.519 if there is nothing to support staffing these twenty three 137 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:36.439 people that are having to be let go after this independence. 138 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:38.519 Yes, so that's what it seems to be the case 139 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:42.920 for both Double Fine and Compulsion that they quickly were 140 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:47.800 able to extricate themselves from Xbox from Microsoft, but any 141 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:51.040 conversations that might have been involved with new publishers, new 142 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:55.920 financial backers, or very early and are nowhere near completion 143 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:58.839 when it came time to actually make these the jump 144 00:06:58.879 --> 00:06:59.519 to independent. 145 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:01.079 So yeah, yeah, if. 146 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:03.800 There's money waiting in the wings, it's not like it's 147 00:07:04.199 --> 00:07:08.439 it's probably not happening anytime soon. And so yeah, they're 148 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:10.399 they're kind of out there on their own, which means, 149 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:14.040 you know, I believe that Double Find took all of 150 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:17.879 their IP with them, right, So they're they're selling video games, right, 151 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:21.759 they have income from that, and that's it. That's probably 152 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:25.279 what the budget that they are sort of giving themselves of, like, hey, 153 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:27.439 we make a certain amount of income from selling our 154 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:30.360 catalog games. We can rely on that, and then if 155 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:33.839 we want to staff back up or grow again, it 156 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:36.560 will really have to come from getting a big third 157 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:38.920 party partner to come in with some money to publish 158 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:41.879 one of our games, and it's not easy to do that, 159 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:43.959 right now, that's kind of all you hear, is like 160 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:46.560 how difficult it is to find that cash? 161 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:49.519 No, and I don't know how much reporting there is 162 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:52.839 on the specificity of their IP ownership either, right, Like 163 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:57.519 does it does it mean, like you know, fully sort 164 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:00.160 of being able to capture all the revenue from the 165 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:03.240 legacy library of stuff like the or is it only 166 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:06.800 stuff since acquisition? Like what is how does all that work? 167 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:10.079 I think the thing everyone you know should not lose, 168 00:08:10.319 --> 00:08:12.879 should not should be still able to take away from 169 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:16.040 this is that it is like you said, the you know, 170 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:19.319 the sort of fallout from Microsoft's decisions, right, Like, this 171 00:08:19.399 --> 00:08:22.800 is a thing that was brought on by that. I 172 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:25.360 don't want I don't want them to get away with 173 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:29.079 any sort of like you know, avoiding negative press after 174 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:34.720 this is announced, because this happened because of the divestment. 175 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:38.000 Yeah, I mean they clearly we're trying to shape this 176 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:39.960 in such a way, Like going back I think to 177 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:42.879 the leaks about hey, these these teams. 178 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:43.639 Might get closed down. 179 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:46.679 Oh no, they're in negotiations to sort of go independent, 180 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:49.480 and like they framed it in such a way that 181 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:51.720 when they did go independent, it will it. 182 00:08:51.679 --> 00:08:53.200 Looked like the best case scenario. 183 00:08:53.320 --> 00:08:56.000 It looked like, okay, yeah, these these teams aren't going 184 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:58.440 to get shut down. So you know, you would see 185 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:01.399 the boot looking fanboys out there being like. 186 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:02.879 Sarah, I heard it was going to be a bloodbath. 187 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:03.720 This isn't a bloodbath. 188 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:06.000 These things aren't closing, and it's say, oh, honey, you 189 00:09:06.519 --> 00:09:08.879 just can't see that they really did pull wool over 190 00:09:08.919 --> 00:09:11.159 your eyes or you're happy to help them do it. 191 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:15.080 And yeah, the money that was going into this industry 192 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:18.840 from Xbox, into these studios evaporated, and that meant that 193 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:20.639 was always going to mean job cuts. 194 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:22.720 And it's like this. 195 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:26.279 Distracts from the fact that there's other unsung cuts happening, 196 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:29.200 including that we keep saying it a bunch of contractors, 197 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:33.519 a bunch of contract studios getting completely the rug pulled 198 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:37.320 out from underneath them, and those people, those contract studios 199 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:39.480 have jobs that they are cutting that will not be 200 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:42.720 counted toward the eventual what was at thirty two hundred 201 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:46.200 total that Xbox is saying that they are going to cut. 202 00:09:46.440 --> 00:09:48.720 It's like, oh, yeah, so these cuts are way worse already. 203 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:51.080 And yet we're still celebrating the fact that this team 204 00:09:51.120 --> 00:09:53.960 now has to go out but is essentially the worst 205 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:56.679 time to find funding for a game in a very 206 00:09:56.720 --> 00:09:57.200 long time. 207 00:09:57.600 --> 00:09:58.120 Yeah. 208 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:00.600 I also got to stop seeing this fucking quote. I 209 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:03.480 gotta stop seeing this quote the most significant restructure and 210 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:07.039 Xbox stop saying so I don't want to that implies 211 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:09.960 some sort of like achievement, that implies some sort of 212 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:13.240 like awesome thing. Just shut up, shut up. I don't 213 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:14.159 want to hear that anymore. 214 00:10:14.360 --> 00:10:14.679 Stop. 215 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:17.240 Yeah, there's a sort of no humanity in these uh 216 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:21.720 in these quotes, and that one feels especially sort of detached. 217 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:25.120 From from what is actually happening here. You know. 218 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:28.200 They also call it stuff like this is the reset, 219 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:31.080 and everyone, I think asks the right question that reset 220 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:34.039 to what what is what is the thing that Xbox 221 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:36.799 considers to be zero that they are going to reset 222 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:37.960 to and build back from? 223 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:38.759 Right? 224 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:44.080 Right, reset implies a rebuild, right like reset replies like 225 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:48.320 wiping the slate clean and like, you know, going to 226 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:51.039 some sort of rehab of sobriety and like you know, 227 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:53.360 getting a new start on life. It doesn't mean like, oh, 228 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:57.879 we murdered everyone. That's not the reset, Like, come on, right, Yeah, 229 00:10:57.879 --> 00:10:58.399 and the. 230 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:02.519 Vision still is very fuzzy on how they get to 231 00:11:02.559 --> 00:11:05.559 that rebuild or whatever. Right now, it still feels like 232 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:08.399 the goal is cut as much costs as possible, make. 233 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:11.679 This lean for whatever purpose, whether that. 234 00:11:11.759 --> 00:11:14.879 Is just to make just to spend less money on 235 00:11:14.919 --> 00:11:17.840 this thing, or to make it easier to eventually offload, 236 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:22.799 which continues to feel like a possibility here. Meanwhile, Xbox 237 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:26.559 had some issues where Xbox Live I guess I don't 238 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:28.559 do they even call it Xbox Live anymore. Their internet 239 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:31.639 services went out. There was a big outage, and people 240 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:34.879 obviously during this could not launch a bunch of like 241 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:38.600 digital games that they owned that required sort of authentication 242 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:42.279 through servers. There was issues with like, you know, talking 243 00:11:42.320 --> 00:11:45.960 to friends or whatever. All these problems with the Xbox services, 244 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:49.480 but it also affected physical games. If you had a 245 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:52.639 disc and you put it into your system, it also 246 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:54.759 tried to reach out to a server and said, hey, 247 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:57.799 you can't play this, and Xbox like, hey, that's actually 248 00:11:57.799 --> 00:11:59.120 not the way it's supposed to work, and we are 249 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:02.039 going to fix that in the future. So Microsoft now 250 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:04.759 says physical game, our physical Xbox games are subject to 251 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:08.960 entitlement verification. Although discs are supposed to remain playable offline. 252 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:13.639 During Sunday's nearly day long Xbox outage, some consoles failed 253 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:16.440 to use the saved entitlements that normally let those disc 254 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:21.279 discs launch without contacting Microsoft. Yeah yeah, some of those. 255 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:23.879 Yeah they failed. Excuse me. An upcoming system update is 256 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:28.039 intended to prevent that failure from happening again. Xbox CTO 257 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:32.679 Scott Van Valet attributed the broader outage to an external 258 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:35.759 licensing service. So we kind of got some details about 259 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:38.440 this yesterday and didn't know exactly what it was. He said, 260 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:42.320 the company will conduct a full post incident review, hard 261 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:45.799 in the dependencies used for signing and game launching, improved 262 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:48.480 detection and containment, blah blah blah, and communicate more clearly 263 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:50.279 during future events. 264 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:54.399 Toms like that. I know. Yeah right. It's like, okay, buddy. 265 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:57.600 People just want to play their games and you're out 266 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:00.159 here being like this is the next broader outage will 267 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:00.559 be better. 268 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:02.519 Okay. 269 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:04.480 So that does feel like they're still trying to make 270 00:13:04.519 --> 00:13:07.120 it feel like, yeah, discs have a special access path 271 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:09.600 towards you being able to play them because you have 272 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:11.960 a physical verification thing you can put it in the 273 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:13.480 system and it should just work. 274 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:16.159 Uh, and you know, it. 275 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:18.759 Does feel like Okay, yeah, that's that's what people want 276 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:22.240 to hear. It didn't work, And it does feel like 277 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:25.120 you Xbox are about to go the pathway that PlayStation 278 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:27.840 is setting out right now of at the very least 279 00:13:27.919 --> 00:13:32.639 extremely de emphasizing of physical media, if not fully pulling 280 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:35.720 that out of the next system. But they're they're they're 281 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:37.960 saying the thing where the hey, no, your discs should 282 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:41.320 have that functionality going forward, and we're sorry it didn't work. 283 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:46.360 Does this like feel like a weird moment to remind 284 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:49.559 everybody that disks function that way when it doesn't feel 285 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:52.679 like the future of discs themselves is very certain. 286 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:55.840 I mean, it couldn't happen at at at a more 287 00:13:55.840 --> 00:14:00.960 suspicious time, right, Like yeah, it's it's certainly not encouraging 288 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:06.399 in any sense I think, you know again, and knowing 289 00:14:06.399 --> 00:14:08.519 what we know now about not being able to trust 290 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:12.559 anything that comes out of that camp at all, you 291 00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:14.720 just I guess have to kind of live in this 292 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:20.720 very precarious situation of like, yeah, this demonstrates the fragility 293 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:24.039 of having physical media and the reliance on that working 294 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:28.200 with what is being called an external licensing service, which 295 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:31.759 implies that like Xbox doesn't have that in house, they 296 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:35.639 like somehow have a third party service verifying all and 297 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:41.559 authenticating like discs, and that system talks to the Xbox 298 00:14:41.639 --> 00:14:45.399 network and gives them the okay even though these things 299 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:48.360 are supposed to work without having to call home. 300 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:49.519 I don't get it. 301 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:52.639 Yeah, I mean, you know, I don't know. It's certainly 302 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:56.279 not a good sign. If you've got hardware with a 303 00:14:56.320 --> 00:14:59.240 disk drive. I feel like that is now this valuable 304 00:14:59.240 --> 00:15:01.480 collector's item. Don't get rid of that, hold on to 305 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:06.679 that thing. Yeah, certainly not an encouraging forecast for our 306 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:08.639 you know, software ownership future. 307 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:13.360 Yeah, it's I still feel like if if Xbox is 308 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:18.600 serious about this reset or whatever and re establishing its 309 00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:21.399 platform as a place for people to buy buy games, 310 00:15:21.399 --> 00:15:24.440 and that you know, specifically the console, they're they're making 311 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:27.039 a bigger deal about Xbox console exclusives. 312 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:31.200 Games they'll be on PC but then not on PlayStation. Uh. 313 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:34.039 And the reason you do that is to sell more 314 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:35.480 Xbox consoles. 315 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:35.840 Uh. 316 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:38.879 So it's like, Okay, they're they're serious about that side 317 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:42.919 of the business. You supposedly they are presenting their themselves 318 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:45.279 as being serious about it. Well, one thing you could 319 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:48.000 do in this moment clearly is to say, hey, we 320 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:49.879 are going to be different than Sony when it comes 321 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:53.000 to physical media and support it for longer. No promise 322 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:55.600 is about forever, but support it for longer. And they 323 00:15:55.600 --> 00:15:58.320 have a sort of reverse Xbox One PlayStation for a 324 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:00.960 moment where they could say we're we're the disc side 325 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:02.840 of the of the argument now, and so if you're 326 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:06.120 mad at Sony, come to us. And I don't know 327 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:09.360 all these opportunities to do that, and they haven't said 328 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:12.240 that yet when they were like, hey, we're going to 329 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:15.879 decide today four hours later that we are going to 330 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:19.720 make years of more exclusive like moments before Summer Game 331 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:23.120 Fest and kind of change the language on that if 332 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:25.360 they're willing to act really fast on stuff like that, 333 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:27.799 but not on this. To me, it sounds like no, 334 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:30.159 Microsoft is going to keep going in that direction of 335 00:16:30.639 --> 00:16:35.159 discs will be deprecated as well, and it's unfortunate, like, oh, 336 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:37.480 I thought these companies were still competing. That would be 337 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:41.240 such a moment of competition. It doesn't feel like that's 338 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:42.159 in the cards, right. 339 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:46.279 It doesn't. And again, this really all goes back to 340 00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:50.320 the trust that they completely obliterated in front of the 341 00:16:50.480 --> 00:16:54.240 entire world, yes, back in June. You know, it's the 342 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:56.559 same story over and over again. Forgive me if you 343 00:16:56.639 --> 00:16:58.879 hear wood chipping going on in the lawn. They are 344 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:01.720 we're good, kind of which we said, chopping up some 345 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:06.359 trees from storms we've had. Yeah, it is us. There's 346 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:11.000 just no like trust. There's no faith invested in any 347 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:12.440 of the things that are coming out of their mouth. 348 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:14.680 So I hate to just sort of like paint everything 349 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:16.920 with such a broad brush, but like, this is the 350 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:20.160 reality of it now, and I don't think anything will 351 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:23.799 really change that dynamic. I think the proof will be 352 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:27.079 in the pudding, you know. And I don't care what 353 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:30.079 they say. What matters is what they do, and those 354 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:33.720 actions will speak louder than their you know, sort of 355 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:37.160 like messaging whatever pr sort of stuff they are putting 356 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:40.720 out there. That's what's going to resonate, That is what's 357 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:45.039 going to be tangible, and we'll be able to sort 358 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:49.160 of conduct analysis on the other side of that stuff. Yeah, I. 359 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:51.160 Don't know. 360 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:54.079 I just can't see a future where like they are 361 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:57.599 somehow capturing the good guy energy of being the physical 362 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:01.160 media you know brand like, honestly, do you do you 363 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:02.559 see that? Do you see that happening? 364 00:18:02.680 --> 00:18:02.759 No? 365 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:05.680 I mean no, no, it's you know, it's there was 366 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:08.240 a five percent chance, just because I could see them 367 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:12.000 talking themselves into Like I could see Asha Sharma going 368 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:14.000 to copilot being like, all right, what are the opportunities 369 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:16.960 for today to make a make a difference here to 370 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:19.799 I kind of get people excited, and Coviolt would be like, 371 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:22.640 there's something about physical disc over at PlayStation maybe if 372 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:24.920 you took the different tach Like I could see her 373 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:27.240 talking herself into it and on that side of things. 374 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:28.960 But clear anything wrong. 375 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:29.799 I didn't like that, resigns. 376 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:32.599 I'm talking like that, respond that's gonna cost us money. 377 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:33.400 Disk drives her bad. 378 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:35.559 We are already losing money on our consoles, as we 379 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:38.359 will talk about in a story later in the show. Everybody, 380 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:41.240 all right, let's see here. Uh you know, let's get 381 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:44.519 to this one before we take the break. Your Coonambi 382 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:48.480 wants a new silent Hill every year. 383 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:49.359 Yeah. 384 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:51.119 I think they they're at a point where it's like 385 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:54.960 that's actually a prop it's not a threat. That's exciting, uh, 386 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:58.799 Gabe Gerdwin, Kurt Indovino over at GameSpot Road from Kurt. 387 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:02.160 Kurt's delivering this message specifically to me. 388 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:06.119 Yes, it's like a telegram at your door, and he's 389 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:09.400 singing it here. Over the past few years, we've seen 390 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:12.680 a major revival of the Silent Hill franchise, with twenty 391 00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:17.000 twenty four Silent Hill Too remake offering a spectacular reimagining 392 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:20.240 of one of the series' most beloved entries, while titles 393 00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:23.680 like Silent Hill f and Townfall propel the series forward 394 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:26.599 and seek to redefine what a Silent Hill game can be. 395 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:30.039 Turns out, having so many Silent Hill projects developed at 396 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:33.279 the same time was a deliberate strategy set by Konami 397 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:36.119 and a way to prove to fans that it's serious 398 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:39.440 about the franchise. Speaking to game Spot at a media 399 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:43.960 roundtable event, Konami producer motoy Okamoto made it clear that 400 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:46.599 the company views Silent Hill as a major part of 401 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:49.039