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Speaker 5: Welcome to the occult rejects. In this episode, we got
Speaker 5: a bunch of us on today to talk about whole
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Speaker 5: We got Mario from Symbolic Studies. Luckily, this is one
Speaker 5: of his favorite topics that he was telling us, so
Speaker 5: I didn't have to annoy him.
Speaker 1: Covering this topic with us.
Speaker 5: But before we get to him, I would like to
Speaker 5: have even though it's a bunch of us here, I'll
Speaker 5: give everybody a chance to plug their stuff and we'll
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Speaker 5: We'll start off with the Headless Giant first. Please go ahead, sir.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
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Speaker 1: Teresa, what is up? Let everybody know what your deal is? Please?
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Speaker 5: Thank you very much, Teresa and Ethan Indigo Man, thank
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Speaker 4: Honored to be here with you guys. This is a
Speaker 4: great topic. I'm on all the social media and I'm
Speaker 4: my writer obsessively. Some might say, so yeah, stuck to
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Speaker 5: I'm glad you're here as well, so I always appreciate
Speaker 5: your point of view on things.
Speaker 1: And TJ the Numbers Guy, what is up? Buddy?
Speaker 9: Yo?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 9: You can find me at Contemporary Problems Underscore. You search it,
Speaker 9: you will find me. I'm on social media and all
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Speaker 5: Definitely go check out his instagram. He's got some fire
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Speaker 1: So let everybody know where they can find your amazing
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Speaker 8: Yeah, thanks for having me on. It's always a great
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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely go.
Speaker 5: You know, Robbie, I'm gonna be honest, I didn't realize
Speaker 5: how many shows you have on your podcast now. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I was like, Yo, this kind of looks like a
Speaker 5: regular like you would almost think it's a regular podcast,
Speaker 5: not that it's not, but you know what I'm saying that,
Speaker 5: like those are old guest appearances.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, Yo, that's a lot. Holy crap. Good
Speaker 1: for Robbie. Good for you.
Speaker 8: That's the meta aspect of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is crazy.
Speaker 5: The guy has his own podcast just from being a
Speaker 5: guest on other people's shows. I mean, who's got it
Speaker 5: better than him? I don't even have to record my
Speaker 5: old stuff.
Speaker 1: Good for you.
Speaker 5: So yeah, definitely go check out Robbie books and stuff
Speaker 5: if everybody listening. And finally to the man himself, Mario
Speaker 5: from Symbolic Studies. Please Mario, for all the newbies and
Speaker 5: people who don't know who you are, just let everybody
Speaker 5: know what's up.
Speaker 10: Yeah, for sure, you can find all my stuff at
Speaker 10: Symbolic Studies dot com. I'm all over the place you too, Tube, Instagram, Twitter,
Speaker 10: things like that, And basically I put out content mostly
Speaker 10: around the astrological signs during the sign itself following the
Speaker 10: Tropical system, but I do post occasionally about other things,
Speaker 10: including stuff related to the Polestar, the North Star. This
Speaker 10: is easily one of my all time favorite subjects. And
Speaker 10: I'll say that as information has sort of been revealed
Speaker 10: to me regarding the Polestar and its nature, it's really
Speaker 10: been a paradigm shift.
Speaker 2: I'll just put it that way.
Speaker 10: It's been a huge, huge paradigm shift for me, and
Speaker 10: so I feel like I'm still going through it, and
Speaker 10: you know, we'll be able to talk about some of
Speaker 10: the key aspects or whatever. But it's such a game
Speaker 10: changer to understand sort of its symbolic value that it
Speaker 10: would take many multiple episodes to kind of get through everything,
Speaker 10: and I have, you know, literally dozens of books on
Speaker 10: the topic, some of them I've definitely read through. Some
Speaker 10: I'm still waiting to get around to and everything else.
Speaker 10: But we'll see what we can and talk about here.
Speaker 10: And I think to kick things off too, I'll probably
Speaker 10: just talk about my journey coming to sort of become
Speaker 10: interested in the poll star.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 5: So one thing I did want to ask you real quick, Mary,
Speaker 5: I'm trying to interrupt. I was just wondering, that's putting
Speaker 5: on the spot. How how long have you been doing this?
Speaker 5: For doing this, you know, the soul symbolic studies.
Speaker 1: Thing for.
Speaker 10: As a channel, It's been around since twenty twenty, so
Speaker 10: it was a Scorpio season twenty twenty when I posted
Speaker 10: my first video. But I've been collecting symbolic dictionaries and
Speaker 10: reference books since about two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2: I would say, I don't know why.
Speaker 1: I just assumed you were out much longer before me,
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 5: Guess really may maybe a few months or six months.
Speaker 1: I don't know, No, really, yeah, I don't know why.
Speaker 5: I just always assumed you were around for a few
Speaker 5: years before me, because I was gonna be like, this
Speaker 5: guy's probably been out of for like seven to ten
Speaker 5: years now, I've.
Speaker 2: No so I wanted to.
Speaker 10: I actually really wanted to talk about conspiracy, fringe, paranormal
Speaker 10: stuff for many, many years, and I felt like some
Speaker 10: of the topics I wanted to talk about were actually
Speaker 10: maybe too controversial for my blood personally, you know. I
Speaker 10: didn't want to put myself out there talk about all
Speaker 10: these things, and so kind of a happy compromise was
Speaker 10: talking about symbolism, you know, and I became really interested
Speaker 10: in symbolism just throughout those years. And finally I was like,
Speaker 10: you know, I'm learning so much. I feel like I'm
Speaker 10: almost absorbing too much, but I'm not putting anything out,
Speaker 10: and I feel like that can really be like.
Speaker 2: An imbalance that you can have.
Speaker 10: You can consume way too much, and if you're not
Speaker 10: like talking about it or doing something with it, if
Speaker 10: you're not taking sort of any action with that information,
Speaker 10: I think that it can kind of be detrimental. So yeah,
Speaker 10: so I decided to kick things off in twenty twenty.
Speaker 10: But yeah, so you know, for me, the Pole Star,
Speaker 10: it's so fascinating and it's so interesting, and it wasn't
Speaker 10: on my radar to really look into it until about
Speaker 10: twenty fourteen or so, twenty fifteen. And the reason why
Speaker 10: is because I caught that first way of flat earth
Speaker 10: information that was coming out. Whatever you might think about it, right,
Speaker 10: I was curious about it, and I wanted to know
Speaker 10: what people were referring to with it. And actually there
Speaker 10: is a guy who became really well known in that community.
Speaker 10: His name is Eric Dubay, and I was following his blog.
Speaker 10: Before Eric Dubay had ever mentioned anything about, you know,
Speaker 10: flat Earth at all, and so he used to talk
Speaker 10: about freemasonry and occultism. He would talk a lot about
Speaker 10: Atlantis and whatever. And he put out his first blog
Speaker 10: post about it, and I was completely like, I didn't
Speaker 10: know what to think. Actually, I was more like stunned, right,
Speaker 10: I was like, this guy's really talking about this, this
Speaker 10: is actually a thing. I respect his other work and information,
Speaker 10: but it kind of came out of left field for me.
Speaker 10: And I downloaded his first book that he put out.
Speaker 10: It was a PDF called two hundred Proofs, and it
Speaker 10: was about all of the anomalies that basically sort of
Speaker 10: exist with like standard cosmology, right, what we actually live
Speaker 10: on and everything else and So that really started my
Speaker 10: journey with like getting into just the different content creators
Speaker 10: that we're putting out videos that we're at least questioning
Speaker 10: sort of what we're living on and like what the
Speaker 10: deal is. And that really opened me up to like
Speaker 10: ancient cosmologies and how ancient peoples saw things and whatever,
Speaker 10: and it's way more holistic. And at the end of
Speaker 10: the day, my big takeaway from all of that was
Speaker 10: that we at the very least just do not live
Speaker 10: on what we've been taught like in school. Right, So
Speaker 10: that's at the end of the day kind of like
Speaker 10: for the most part, how far I'll go with everything.
Speaker 10: There's a lot of other things we can talk about
Speaker 10: with that, but I was pretty convinced that at the
Speaker 10: very least, like what I was taught isn't the truth.
Speaker 10: And when you start getting into like geocentrism and the
Speaker 10: nature of heliocentrism, what it is to be a heliocentrist
Speaker 10: and be taught that the sun is the center of
Speaker 10: all things. When you start learning about all of that stuff,
Speaker 10: one of the things that actually comes to like the
Speaker 10: surface to as like a talking point something to like
Speaker 10: look into is the fixed stars, the stellar you know,
Speaker 10: tradition basically where in today's world, you know, most everybody,
Speaker 10: and I put out a ton of information about astrology, right,
Speaker 10: but today's skyclock would be the sun, the constellations around
Speaker 10: the ecliptic right around the path of the sun, the
Speaker 10: wandering stars, right. And what I realized is that this
Speaker 10: wasn't always the skyclock for people. And so you can
Speaker 10: make the case. And certainly there are cultures that use
Speaker 10: the moon as their central skyclock, right, they go based
Speaker 10: on a lunar calendar, their holy days fall based on
Speaker 10: that cycle with the moon. But there was a skyclock
Speaker 10: before that, and it was the fixed stars basically, and
Speaker 10: all of the fixed stars go around a central star,
Speaker 10: which is the pole star, which is the north star, right,
Speaker 10: And so the constellations that are really close to the
Speaker 10: polestar are Ursa Major and Ursa Minor and Draco, and
Speaker 10: these constellations were like really really important way back in
Speaker 10: the day, and so they've kind of been occulted or
Speaker 10: a lot of people just aren't aware of their significance
Speaker 10: and value and everything else. So as I started researching,
Speaker 10: you know, things related to like alternative cosmologies, geocentrism versus
Speaker 10: helio centrism.
Speaker 2: All that.
Speaker 10: The Polestar became kind of a topic of conversation and
Speaker 10: it would just be brought up more because it's the
Speaker 10: center of the heavens basically, And so that started my
Speaker 10: sort of journey with wanting to know more about the
Speaker 10: star itself and like everything that it represents, and so
Speaker 10: over time I started picking up books that were related
Speaker 10: to it. Over time, I got really interested in the
Speaker 10: Tarot as well. And one of the sort of interesting
Speaker 10: things was my trip to India. I went to India,
Speaker 10: and it was interesting to see just like you know,
Speaker 10: the swastika out in the wild as an example, and
Speaker 10: I met this young guy and without me really prompting
Speaker 10: him in any way, he basically mentioned that his guru
Speaker 10: teaches like a geocentric model, that he's not a heliocentrist basically,
Speaker 10: which I thought was like fascinating because I was reading
Speaker 10: about it at the time, and so there's a lot
Speaker 10: of polar symbolism over in the Eastern world, and so
Speaker 10: slowly but surely I started kind of getting like some
Speaker 10: traction and I was starting to like understand what the
Speaker 10: polestar represented more and more and more, and then I
Speaker 10: realized that there were occult circles, black magical circles that
Speaker 10: really revered the Polestar as well, and really had almost
Speaker 10: like a framework that integrated some of these RN constellations
Speaker 10: and everything else. And I was really fortunate to have
Speaker 10: a friend that owned a small bookstore in Portland, Oregon,
Speaker 10: and she knew that I was kind of pulling at
Speaker 10: this thread, this northern polar sort of thing, and she
Speaker 10: would literally see books, set them aside for me and
Speaker 10: let me borrow them and basically just let me read
Speaker 10: them and skim through them. And she turned me on too,
Speaker 10: like three or four really really key books that completely
Speaker 10: changed my trajectory with everything. I also, at the same
Speaker 10: time was getting really interested in wanting to know about
Speaker 10: love Craftian magic, basically basically love Craft and black magic.
Speaker 10: And I knew that this was like definitely a thing,
Speaker 10: and it's almost like its own sort of like scene.
Speaker 10: Basically there's a lot of authors, there's a lot of books,
Speaker 10: there's a lot of information.
Speaker 2: Out there, and I was like, what is this all about?
Speaker 10: And because I wanted to know more about cult history,
Speaker 10: I felt like I needed to kind of give it
Speaker 10: my due diligence and start reading some of this material,
Speaker 10: and my friend Christy, she let me borrow a book
Speaker 10: and it's one of the Necronomicon books by this guy
Speaker 10: named Simon, and it's this one's called The Gates of
Speaker 10: the Necronomicon, and what you actually see on the cover
Speaker 10: is Ursa Major, which is one of the main constellations
Speaker 10: that goes around the Polestar. And I read that book
Speaker 10: and it blew my mind because basically, sort of the
Speaker 10: claim in the book and what other authors have said,
Speaker 10: is that Lovecraft basically kind of updated this ancient pantheon
Speaker 10: for modern sensibilities pretty much, and that he was encoding
Speaker 10: information that had to do with like sort of the
Speaker 10: spiritual and metaphysical framework of these ancient peoples that held
Speaker 10: the Polestar in really high reverence. And so this early
Speaker 10: tradition is called the Primorial tradition. I think he can
Speaker 10: refer to it as the Primordial tradition, the Northern tradition,
Speaker 10: the Polar tradition. There's a lot of overlap with Typhonianism,
Speaker 10: the Typhonian tradition, there's a whole northern correspondence with that.
Speaker 10: And so what Lovecraft did seemingly is that he basically
Speaker 10: took this old tradition and he updated it right in
Speaker 10: a way that like modern people would be interested in, right,
Speaker 10: and so he did that through this cosmic horror sort
Speaker 10: of motif. And so everything that that book is about
Speaker 10: Gates of the Necronomicon talks about how he was encoding
Speaker 10: sort of Northern symbolism into his work.
Speaker 2: And so that really was a huge sort.
Speaker 10: Of game changer for me and just like my understanding
Speaker 10: of things, because in that book they also talk about
Speaker 10: the polestar in ancient Egypt, what it represented in ancient Egypt.
Speaker 10: They talked about ursa major being like the thigh of
Speaker 10: the bull or the thigh set in ancient Egypt, how
Speaker 10: it was used in these different rituals like the opening
Speaker 10: of the mouth ritual, and so gave me this whole
Speaker 10: new expansive way of looking at the polestar.
Speaker 2: Funny enough, the cat's out of the bag.
Speaker 10: But the guy who wrote it is Peter Lavenda, and
Speaker 10: he was using this alias of Simon, and Peter Lavenda
Speaker 10: would later write books that basically covered other aspects of
Speaker 10: polestar symbolism pretty much, and so he wrote this book
Speaker 10: called The Dark Lord, which gets really into that along
Speaker 10: with more love crafting information. And he also wrote a
Speaker 10: book called Stairway to Heaven where he really really I
Speaker 10: think that's one of the best sort of intro books
Speaker 10: if people want sort of like a good read that's
Speaker 10: like an easy read that talks about a lot of
Speaker 10: this stuff, and he basically talks about all of these
Speaker 10: different cultures and like kind of like secret societies and
Speaker 10: religions and stuff around the world. That basically considered the
Speaker 10: Polestar to be like the gateway to like another plane
Speaker 10: pretty much. And that's one of the things that you'll
Speaker 10: find out when you look into it is that because
Speaker 10: it represents the center of the heavens, it's basically taken
Speaker 10: on the symbolism of like a door or like a
Speaker 10: portal or something along these lines. And the way I
Speaker 10: put it is that I had.
Speaker 6: A quick question about Peter Lavenda though. So his other
Speaker 6: books was about esoteric hitlersm and Nazi ecultism.
Speaker 2: Ye, yeah, sinister forces too, And I.
Speaker 8: Was gonna say sinister forces as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, So I mean, you've got the swastika in there,
Speaker 6: and then he goes over and sort of covers the
Speaker 6: other side of it. I guess. I mean there's there's
Speaker 6: some sort of a crossover there because you've got the
Speaker 6: Nazi symbolism in the in the Artha Major going around
Speaker 6: the Pole Star.
Speaker 10: So oh, absolutely, well, this is what you'll basically find
Speaker 10: out in my opinion. And I was excited to do
Speaker 10: this show, by the way, because this is the Occult Rejects,
Speaker 10: and I have so much information about the occult side
Speaker 10: of polar symbolism in the North Star that I don't
Speaker 10: really cover on other shows because it's just I don't
Speaker 10: feel like it's like that appropriate. What you'll find out,
Speaker 10: in my opinion is that the true left hand path,
Speaker 10: in my opinion, is actually polar in nature. And so
Speaker 10: once you understand that, it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 10: People like to think that the sort of dualistic sort
Speaker 10: of thing is solar and lunar and that that's kind
Speaker 10: of just how it is. There is something to be
Speaker 10: said about that there is this contrast between solar and lunar,
Speaker 10: But what predates all of this is actually polar polar
Speaker 10: in nature, right, And so I'm inclined to think that
Speaker 10: guys like a Knot, we're well aware of polar symbolism
Speaker 10: and sort of all of its implications. Peter Lavenda is
Speaker 10: pretty well networked with people, and he's in that world,
Speaker 10: the black magical occult world, right. And so what I'm
Speaker 10: finding out is that the left hand path completely overlaps
Speaker 10: with polar symbolism in a lot of different ways, because
Speaker 10: there's a lot of symbolism associated with the northern sky
Speaker 10: and the pole Star that corresponds basically with the Dark
Speaker 10: Mother and a lot of dark Mother symbolism. And I
Speaker 10: also think it's interesting too that when you look into
Speaker 10: circumambulation rituals, which is like you walking around a central
Speaker 10: totem or something like in Mecca, right, that's like my
Speaker 10: classic example. If you have your totem on the left
Speaker 10: hand side, that is a polar rotation, and that's actually
Speaker 10: more contractive. It actually reminds me a lot of Saturnian symbolism.
Speaker 10: And I know you brought up saturn earlier. We'd love
Speaker 10: to hear your thoughts about all of this. And if
Speaker 10: you go clockwise, that's more of a solar rotation, and
Speaker 10: that's actually more expansive. So it's interesting to think that
Speaker 10: if there's a left hand path correspondence with polar symbolism,
Speaker 10: it kind of lines up even with just the rotation
Speaker 10: of going around that central point of pivot right. And
Speaker 10: this relates to to the dynamic of the pole star.
Speaker 10: It's called the polestar because it's like a symbolic axis
Speaker 10: or axle.
Speaker 2: Right, So if it's.
Speaker 10: The wheel of heaven, the hub of the wheel would
Speaker 10: be the polestar the north star. And basically my understanding,
Speaker 10: the way I put it is that there are realms
Speaker 10: above and below and they're all connected through their center.
Speaker 10: And so I think that the chakra system is a
Speaker 10: really good sort of interface for this. Right, I'm sure
Speaker 10: I've mentioned it here before, but you have seven chakras. Symbolically,
Speaker 10: they're all connected through that central axle, which would be
Speaker 10: your spine, right, And so this is how it works
Speaker 10: in your body. But this is also how it works
Speaker 10: on a larger grander scale. So that means that the
Speaker 10: polestar is along the lines of that axis. And this
Speaker 10: axis is also referred to as the world axis or
Speaker 10: the axis Moondi, and that basically is like probably the
Speaker 10: most important thing about polestar symbolism is just look into
Speaker 10: the world access for axis Mundy, because it's a complete
Speaker 10: game changer. So I see that the polestar is kind
Speaker 10: of like a keystone symbolically as well, because it exists
Speaker 10: at the top of the firmament, right, and so that arch,
Speaker 10: the royal arch right, is almost symbolic of that firmament,
Speaker 10: the dome of heaven, and the keystone would be right
Speaker 10: there in the middle. And there's over keystone symbolism that
Speaker 10: relates to the polestar r you know, and everything else.
Speaker 10: And so my understanding is that ancient peoples had a
Speaker 10: reverence for the polestar and the northern stars, and they
Speaker 10: had more of a local understanding of everything, and so
Speaker 10: everything was much closer to home, and so sort of
Speaker 10: as they had this reverence for the center of heaven,
Speaker 10: they also had a reverence and an understanding of the
Speaker 10: center of self and sort of like that whole entire dynamic.
Speaker 10: And what I like to say too, is that you know,
Speaker 10: there's a sort of golden thread that exists between the
Speaker 10: center of self and the center of the cosmos. So
Speaker 10: know thyself and know the universe, right, And so there's
Speaker 10: a relationship symbolically between the middle of a wheel, the
Speaker 10: middle of the heavens, the middle of earth, and the
Speaker 10: center of self. They actually symbolically are all completely related,
Speaker 10: and so you want to get to that center point within. Right,
Speaker 10: We've talked about some of this stuff as well, but
Speaker 10: you know, that was a whole rabbit hole going down
Speaker 10: the love crafty and black magical sort of tradition, and
Speaker 10: like how it relates to the North Star and also
Speaker 10: to World War Two. I don't know if I've said
Speaker 10: it on Occult Rejects before, but there's so much polar
Speaker 10: symbolism with World War Two and World War One. It's absolutely,
Speaker 10: like completely off the charts. So as an example, you know,
Speaker 10: pole Land was invaded, right, and so I just think
Speaker 10: that's kind of an interesting sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Pole Land.
Speaker 10: You mentioned the swastika. The swastika is or some major
Speaker 10: going around the Pole Star. Right, it's the Allies versus
Speaker 10: the Axis.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 10: You will only hear the word axis as it's associated
Speaker 10: with evil.
Speaker 2: So now Iran is the new.
Speaker 10: Axis of evil basically, right, And so I'm inclined to
Speaker 10: think basically that some of what was happening there literally
Speaker 10: had to do with sort of smearing polar symbolism. Basically,
Speaker 10: seeing that people don't talk about any of this stuff
Speaker 10: because it's so powerful. I've even read authors who've suggested
Speaker 10: that the great occult war is between polar and solar forces.
Speaker 10: But that's basically the thing that they are completely at
Speaker 10: odds with each other, and there's a lot of things
Speaker 10: to say about that, like that's a whole sort of
Speaker 10: weave or rabbit hole as well, for sure. And so
Speaker 10: over time, you know, I started understanding more and more
Speaker 10: about like what was going on up there and how
Speaker 10: significant and important it is. That I really just made
Speaker 10: it a focus, and so I started collecting books. Any
Speaker 10: book that talked about the North Star, URSA major, ursa
Speaker 10: minor I was interested in. Eventually, what I found out
Speaker 10: is that there was a great shift symbolically from polar
Speaker 10: symbolism to solar symbolism, and that there were polar deities
Speaker 10: back in the day that later became solar deities. So
Speaker 10: I think that we live in a solarized world that
Speaker 10: was built upon this polar tradition basically. And my sort
Speaker 10: of research these days has led me to basically kind
Speaker 10: of a camp of philosophy where you're going to hear
Speaker 10: more people talk about this stuff. And it's called perennialism,
Speaker 10: and so Renee went on is often kind of considered like,
Speaker 10: you know, one of the key figures in this tradition,
Speaker 10: and he really is probably the best author to read,
Speaker 10: the clearest author that talks about sort of the implications
Speaker 10: of like the polar dynamic, this polar to solar shift.
Speaker 10: And what I really appreciate about him is that he
Speaker 10: talks about the metaphysics and the difference between living in
Speaker 10: this primordial sort of tradition and living in modern times basically,
Speaker 10: which is basically to say, you know how people thought,
Speaker 10: like well before heliocentrism, but before like solar worship became
Speaker 10: a thing. I think with like heliocentrism, I truly think
Speaker 10: it throws everything off. I think that it's not harmonious.
Speaker 10: It doesn't look that way to me at least, and
Speaker 10: everything becomes way too masculine as well, so the feminine
Speaker 10: tends to be really suppressed.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of feminine symbolism.
Speaker 10: That associates with the pole star as well, and also
Speaker 10: or some major and things like that. So that's kind
Speaker 10: of my like, I guess somewhat in a way like
Speaker 10: personal journey or whatever. But the polestar has been referred
Speaker 10: to as the guiding star, and so this was the
Speaker 10: pre eminent main star with early scene navigation.
Speaker 2: If you knew where the Polestar was, you knew where north.
Speaker 10: Was, which means that you knew at just where you
Speaker 10: were going generally, And if you're following a different constellation,
Speaker 10: it's only in proximity to the Pole Star that you
Speaker 10: know where you're going, right, And so all of the
Speaker 10: fixed stars go around the Polestar once a year, and
Speaker 10: so that's why it was used as an early skyclock
Speaker 10: as well, and so it was a different kind of time.
Speaker 10: And actually, I know I've brought this up before too,
Speaker 10: but I think these skyclocks are encoded in the tarot.
Speaker 10: The Star card represents the Pole Star. That's the seventeenth
Speaker 10: card of the major arcana. The eighteenth card of the
Speaker 10: major arcana is the Moon card. That's more of the
Speaker 10: lunar cycles and everything and the lunar calendar. And then
Speaker 10: after that you have the Sun card. And so all
Speaker 10: three of these cards in a row talk about three
Speaker 10: different skyclocks. In my opinion, I kind of refer to
Speaker 10: them as like three different symbolic ages, right, And this
Speaker 10: is different from like the great ages or whatever. But
Speaker 10: the Pole Star has a relationship also with like what
Speaker 10: it means to be in a dark age and what
Speaker 10: it means to be in Golden age. And so what
Speaker 10: renegu went On says is that literally, in the Golden Age,
Speaker 10: this is when people had this sort of respect and
Speaker 10: understanding of the center, right, and in the dark age,
Speaker 10: which I think we're living in a very dark age
Speaker 10: right now, right, I don't know exactly at what part
Speaker 10: we're at in it, but he says that the difference
Speaker 10: is people have lost basically the site of the center.
Speaker 10: People are now ungrounded and they're not still and they
Speaker 10: basically aren't literally acknowledging anything related to this sort of
Speaker 10: supreme center.
Speaker 2: And so the.
Speaker 10: Idea is that all things emanate from a sacred center,
Speaker 10: from this inner sanctum, and then all things sort of
Speaker 10: return to it, not unlike a torus field basically, right,
Speaker 10: And so the pole star symbolically represents that because of
Speaker 10: its position of where it's located. And so this has major,
Speaker 10: major implication symbolically because it means that everything came from
Speaker 10: the same place. Everything sort of is an echo or
Speaker 10: a remnants or something along these lines, right, a fractal
Speaker 10: of this original sort of thing. So that's kind of
Speaker 10: been one of the trippier things to sort of understand,
Speaker 10: right when you read these authors who really get into
Speaker 10: the world axis and everything else, everything relates back to it.
Speaker 10: There's almost nothing that you can it's nothing you could
Speaker 10: talk about. There's no planet, there's no symbol, there's no
Speaker 10: myth or anything that escapes this sort of dynamic because
Speaker 10: it is kind of been viewed as this original sort
Speaker 10: of dynamic.
Speaker 6: Well, what about the ages? Isn't it also important to
Speaker 6: notice that the primordial aid where you had mounds and
Speaker 6: these worship sites that were all connected to the sort
Speaker 6: of symbolism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6: That's very important to note because that's, you know, that's
Speaker 6: the center of their cultures and ever since then it's
Speaker 6: been more diffuse and there's there's far more wandering from
Speaker 6: those centralized locations.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 10: So one way of looking at it that people have
Speaker 10: put forward is that humanity started in the center of Earth,
Speaker 10: that humanity started in the north, and that there was
Speaker 10: a migration away from the North, and some people say
Speaker 10: that this had to do with some sort of catastrophe
Speaker 10: or cataclysm or whatever. There's lots of variations on this idea,
Speaker 10: and that the North would relate to Paradise, or it
Speaker 10: would relate to the Garden of Eden, right, And so
Speaker 10: there's this idea, and you'll see old maps right where
Speaker 10: in the northern part of Earth that there's like a
Speaker 10: central mountain. And so this central mountain interfaces with the
Speaker 10: world axis, mountains, pyramids, pillars, the idea of a loadstone,
Speaker 10: it's the same thing. Basically, when you're talking about the
Speaker 10: center of Earth. The idea is that this is where
Speaker 10: Heaven and Earth meet. So there's like a symbolic bridge
Speaker 10: or there's a symbolic stairway between the above and below basically,
Speaker 10: and that the Pole Star would just be right above it,
Speaker 10: right North Pole, North Star. And so basically when people
Speaker 10: symbolically even I'm open to it being a symbolic interpretation,
Speaker 10: migrated away from the north and set up new sacred centers,
Speaker 10: they're basically emulating the original sacred center. So Mecha Jerusalem,
Speaker 10: whatever sort of holy site you're talking about, whatever pilgrimage location,
Speaker 10: Symbolically it's like a pilgrimage to Eden, or it's like
Speaker 10: a pilgrimage to that inner sanctum in Earth. Right, And
Speaker 10: when you look at these different holy locations. There's always
Speaker 10: this idea that it's where heaven and Earth meet. That's
Speaker 10: always like a common theme with all of them.
Speaker 6: A perfect example is the Beatless Stones. So these are
Speaker 6: the thees that were sacred to these different cultures around
Speaker 6: the world. One of the most famous Batalist stones is
Speaker 6: the Jacob's Pillow, and Jacob's pillow is where he was
Speaker 6: supposedly sleeping on top of this mountain, had the vision
Speaker 6: of the stairway to Heaven, right, and it's right along
Speaker 6: those polar lines, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 10: Actually, Nick, if you don't mind, I have an image
Speaker 10: of Jacob's ladder and it's the sixteenth slide that I
Speaker 10: have in that PDF.
Speaker 8: And it was also Osirius's spine. They said that the
Speaker 8: earth was hung upon it and basically, you know, it
Speaker 8: was attached to the axis moundy and basically held the
Speaker 8: Earth in the heavens.
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 10: There's this old idea that I've come across several times.
Speaker 10: I know, it's in Ovid's Metamorphoses as well. There's this
Speaker 10: idea that heaven and Earth and all of the elements
Speaker 10: refused together, and it wasn't until this axis moondy central
Speaker 10: pillar came into existence. Was there space between the above
Speaker 10: and below? And so this central pillar or world axis
Speaker 10: was believed to be the thing that actually separated heaven
Speaker 10: and earth and then also connects heaven and earth together, right,
Speaker 10: And I think this is actually what the magician, he's
Speaker 10: basically acting as a central pillar. In the first card
Speaker 10: of the major acona, the number one is symbolic of
Speaker 10: the world axis, just the straight vertical line, right, it
Speaker 10: connects heaven and Earth. The magician has a wand which
Speaker 10: is very much related to world axis symbolism. He's pointing
Speaker 10: it to the heavens in one hand, and then he's
Speaker 10: pointing down to the ground on the other hand. He's
Speaker 10: basically saying, I am the central pillar in the House
Speaker 10: of God. I connect all that is above with all
Speaker 10: that is below. And he actually corresponds with the Hebrew
Speaker 10: letter Beth or bets, which literally means house and actually
Speaker 10: goes back to the batlestone thing. There's a whole entire
Speaker 10: relationship with that. But yeah, So here's Jacob leaping on
Speaker 10: the left hand side. You can see three pillars one pillar.
Speaker 10: Generally when you see this is from Freemasonry. Generally when
Speaker 10: you see three pillars, there's going to be one that
Speaker 10: has an obvious sun on it, one that has an
Speaker 10: obvious moon. So then what's to say about the central pillar.
Speaker 10: It's polar, one is solar, one is lunar, the other
Speaker 10: one is polar. The polar pillar is the one that's
Speaker 10: actually truly transcendental and actually truly goes to other plans
Speaker 10: of existence. And the symbolism is so obvious once you
Speaker 10: know what you're looking at. But you see the central
Speaker 10: pillar literally is breaking through the clouds, and then it's
Speaker 10: surrounded by seven stars. These seven stars, if you didn't
Speaker 10: know any better, you would probably think maybe perhaps they're
Speaker 10: related to like the seven wandering stars. But actually the
Speaker 10: original seven stars of Enlightenment, in my opinion, is ursa major, right,
Speaker 10: and that the symbolism was attributed to ursa major first,
Speaker 10: and then I think kind of have gotten shifted around, right,
Speaker 10: and so like the Pleiades in the solarized world, in
Speaker 10: the solar mind, that kind of has taken on a
Speaker 10: lot of ursa major symbolism in my opinion. And then
Speaker 10: clearly you see the ladder, you know, going through the
Speaker 10: clouds there. So if you want to go to maybe
Speaker 10: a slide thirteen and fourteen if you don't mind. So
Speaker 10: there you go another freemasonic tracing board. Three pillars. You'll
Speaker 10: see that there's a seven pointed star in the middle,
Speaker 10: and that's what the ladder is ascending towards, being associated
Speaker 10: with that central pillar. Notice that it's also going towards
Speaker 10: east as well, So there's a whole entire correspondence with
Speaker 10: East symbolically being related to what's been referred to as
Speaker 10: cosmic North. That it actually it's almost a veil. It's
Speaker 10: not the east that you're going to see on a map.
Speaker 10: It's actually more of a central location. And sometimes the
Speaker 10: sun has been used as a symbolic reference to the
Speaker 10: pole Star. And I have a quote that we can
Speaker 10: read later from Peter Lavenda, but he basically says, and
Speaker 10: I agree with him, that the sun is almost in
Speaker 10: modern times a blind for the North Star. That the
Speaker 10: north star is the original sun. That's another way of
Speaker 10: putting it right. And so I think that that's absolutely
Speaker 10: worth considering, and I think that it makes a lot
Speaker 10: of sense, and if people want more information about that specifically,
Speaker 10: I did a presentation called the Rising Sun, and so
Speaker 10: people can see that on my YouTube, and I really
Speaker 10: get into the nature of that and how the sun
Speaker 10: when it's being referenced in different works of art allegorically, etc.
Speaker 10: It doesn't necessarily the meat doesn't mean the sun that
Speaker 10: rises in the east and sets in the west. It
Speaker 10: actually is more of a reference to like a cosmic sun.
Speaker 10: I would say sometimes you can refer to it as
Speaker 10: the invisible sun or the block sun. Even the block sun,
Speaker 10: in my opinion, is basically the stationary sun. It's a
Speaker 10: reference to the world axis in the poll star, the
Speaker 10: main sun that's what goes around, rises and sets every day.
Speaker 10: The block Sun, I think, is this immutable sort of
Speaker 10: central sun, and that goes back to some of the
Speaker 10: Nazi occultism stuff right there.
Speaker 6: There could be something more to the east reference and
Speaker 6: in terms of an electromagnetic correspondence, because there's a guy
Speaker 6: named Crow Triple seven who has done a lot of
Speaker 6: work with sun and telescoping and taking videos of the
Speaker 6: what he calls the invisible Sun. Right yeah, I think
Speaker 6: that it's been confirmed by other people who you know,
Speaker 6: are using the same methodology to sort of film it.
Speaker 6: You can actually get on camera this sort of second
Speaker 6: sun idea and prove that it's not just lens flair.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think no matter how you want to slice it, absolutely,
Speaker 10: I'm really starting to think that just one sun does
Speaker 10: not make sense.
Speaker 6: In an elliptical There have to be too folky. So
Speaker 6: we're in an elliptical orbit around or one way or
Speaker 6: the other. Right, so too folk I for there to
Speaker 6: be an elliptical orbit.
Speaker 10: Right, Yeah, No, there's something to be said about it.
Speaker 10: And I've seen his work for sure, So.
Speaker 4: Of course I wanted to say the Egyptians too. They
Speaker 4: would bury people on the west side of the Nile,
Speaker 4: and they associated eternal life with the east. But as
Speaker 4: I've heard it towards the Sun being the eternal you know,
Speaker 4: disk and so forth, not that it may not be
Speaker 4: related to the polar aspect, but or the non physical
Speaker 4: dimension east as you as you're pointing out.
Speaker 10: Right right, Yeah, if you want to just go to
Speaker 10: the next slide. So number fourteen, I've shown this before,
Speaker 10: but this is a Freemasonic lodge in London, and they
Speaker 10: openly acknowledge that this is the Pole Star, that this
Speaker 10: is the North Star, that they don't hide it. And
Speaker 10: so you see that there's a ladder going to that
Speaker 10: central star. Notice that it's a five pointed star, and
Speaker 10: then notice that there is the zodiac going around it.
Speaker 10: So this is the thing to me that was really
Speaker 10: fascinating just over time that nobody in astrology acknowledges that
Speaker 10: all of the stars in astrology go around one star,
Speaker 10: you know. And so to me, that's like a huge thing.
Speaker 10: And so I try and you know, bring that up
Speaker 10: or make people aware of that. And so so my opinion,
Speaker 10: and just because I'm looking at the zodiac and just
Speaker 10: brought this up, if everything is expressed from the center
Speaker 10: and returns back to it, it's something worth considering. Something
Speaker 10: that I've read multiple times now, and I think that
Speaker 10: this is absolutely true. I may have mentioned this at
Speaker 10: some point, but basically, there are several authors who have
Speaker 10: put forward that there are cultures who have documented information
Speaker 10: about their early zodiac being in the northern sky, and
Speaker 10: once they became solar, they exported the mythology from the
Speaker 10: northern sky to the path of the sun. There's a
Speaker 10: guy named John Major Jenkins, and he has a book
Speaker 10: called Galactic Alignment, and that's what he talks about. He
Speaker 10: talks about the ancient Chinese people having eight constellations, around
Speaker 10: the pole star, and then once they became solar, they
Speaker 10: shifted those constellations literally to the path of the Sun,
Speaker 10: and then they added four more constellations, giving them twelve constellations.
Speaker 10: And so I've heard variations of the theme. So my opinion
Speaker 10: is that the origins of the zodiac come from the
Speaker 10: northern sky. I think that makes all the sense in
Speaker 10: the world. So the same way humanity migrated from the
Speaker 10: north and potentially spread out, the same thing has happened
Speaker 10: in mythology. And I'm inclined to think actually that perhaps
Speaker 10: all of the mythology that you see in the night
Speaker 10: sky came from a northern location, that it originated up
Speaker 10: north and got exported over time. And so it's kind
Speaker 10: of a big claim, but to me, it makes a
Speaker 10: lot of sense on multiple levels. Because the density of
Speaker 10: what you can learn about these circumpolar constellations, which means
Speaker 10: that they don't like dip below the horizon when they
Speaker 10: go around the central point of pivot. It's staggering.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 10: I've been reading about it for years and there's more
Speaker 10: and more and more stuff that I'm learning all the
Speaker 10: time about it. So like ursa major the Big Dipper
Speaker 10: It's been referred to as the thigh of a bowl.
Speaker 10: It's been referred to as the thigh of set. It's
Speaker 10: been referred to as a plow. It's been referred to
Speaker 10: as reindeer, a sleigh. It's been referred to as a
Speaker 10: boar or piglets, sailors, a dark mother, the coffin of Osyrus.
Speaker 2: What was that?
Speaker 10: Bears bears exactly, Yeah, yeah, right, a great bear and
Speaker 10: the little bear. And so it really is is kind
Speaker 10: of a mind blowing sort of thing to consider.
Speaker 2: If you want to go to.
Speaker 8: Now before we leave. I was going to add as
Speaker 8: far as as far as the Free Masons, if you
Speaker 8: look in the A. Mackie's Free Masonic Encyclopedia, they talk
Speaker 8: about the five pointed star with the effulgent, you know,
Speaker 8: beams coming from it, very much like that is the
Speaker 8: star of the Masons. It's the Star Merca, you know,
Speaker 8: that's right, And they associated with Isis and the dog
Speaker 8: Star as far as serious b but I think on
Speaker 8: the occulted level they're more referring to the pole Star.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 10: And there's a surprising amount of information that I've learned
Speaker 10: too that relates serious be with the North as well.
Speaker 10: In fact, it's been referred to the dog star right,
Speaker 10: has been referred to as the eighth child of the
Speaker 10: Great Mother of the North. Is one way I've heard
Speaker 10: it put. Right, So there are things going on there.
Speaker 10: What I kind of say or how I understand it
Speaker 10: is that you know, it's not unlike a wheel. I
Speaker 10: brought up wheel symbolism recently on here, I'm pretty sure,
Speaker 10: but like the wheel is a really good metaphor to
Speaker 10: understand for a lot of different reasons. But the external
Speaker 10: part of the wheel is related to division, multiplicity. The
Speaker 10: internal part of the wheel, the hub of the wheel,
Speaker 10: the axle of the wheel, is related to supreme unity basically, right,
Speaker 10: it's immutable, it's stationary, it's kind of like timeless, and
Speaker 10: so all things out side of that center are subordinate
Speaker 10: to the center. That the true hierarchy is the middle.
Speaker 10: We tend to think of a hierarchy just in terms
Speaker 10: of like a pyramid, right, But going to the top
Speaker 10: of the pyramid is like going to the center of
Speaker 10: the wheel, basically, and so all holy locations are subordinate
Speaker 10: to the original location. So the same thing I see
Speaker 10: it with the night skies, that all stars are subordinate
Speaker 10: to the pole star, to the original transcendental star. Basically,
Speaker 10: it's the star of stars. There's no other star like it, basically,
Speaker 10: And so if I'm there.
Speaker 4: Oh sorry, if I'm sorry to interrupted, If I may add,
Speaker 4: an excellent way to perceive the pentagram the five pointed
Speaker 4: star is through traditional Chinese medicine or the five element
Speaker 4: theory that is in that really is the basis of
Speaker 4: traditional Chinese medicine, where every herbal formula starts with at
Speaker 4: least five ingredients, and there's this whole five element unfoldment
Speaker 4: in the natural world that goes along with the Yin
Speaker 4: Yang symbol, which what we call the yan Yang symbol,
Speaker 4: which is actually the grand ultimate poll.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, exactly, it's it.
Speaker 4: And so yeah, I was just I just wanted to
Speaker 4: add that.
Speaker 6: One other things that's interesting is the is the correlation
Speaker 6: with all of the stuff you've said and the box saga, Yeah,
Speaker 6: just says everything that you just put out there all
Speaker 6: in very clear terms about this sort of northern hierarchy
Speaker 6: or this northern kingdom. Yeah, talking about how they laid
Speaker 6: out the Meridians based off of the different kingdoms that
Speaker 6: made rings around the around the rest of the world.
Speaker 2: Right right, yeah, no, you got it.
Speaker 10: And so I consider myself personally like allies with the
Speaker 10: Box Saga people, and I've done shows about the Box Saga.
Speaker 2: The thing that they don't like about me.
Speaker 10: Is that I put the North and a lot of
Speaker 10: the symbolism that I'm talking about right now as like
Speaker 10: the supreme sort of originator of things, and they don't
Speaker 10: like that I'm not just a Box Saga guy, like
Speaker 10: they want me to acknowledge like just the Box Saga,
Speaker 10: and I'm like, no, there's a lot of other claims
Speaker 10: of where the origins of humanity are. In fact, I
Speaker 10: think it's healthy, you know. I think it's healthy for
Speaker 10: a people to have something in their backyard that they say,
Speaker 10: this is where our Adam and Eve came from, this
Speaker 10: is where we bridge the gap between Heaven and Earth.
Speaker 10: I think that's a very healthy thing for people to have.
Speaker 10: And so the fact that people will defend that and
Speaker 10: say that, no, it's in our backyard, that's cool with
Speaker 10: me because that just fits with sort of what I'm
Speaker 10: saying here, with all of these other cultures basically saying
Speaker 10: a very similar sort of thing. So they're all all
Speaker 10: sort of mirroring this original dynamic.
Speaker 6: Sorry, oh go ahead.
Speaker 7: Oh no, I was just gonna ask Robbie when you
Speaker 7: mentioned that star, was it Merca or Marrack.
Speaker 8: You said, I think you said Marca Marca.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's what I heard too.
Speaker 8: Okay, No, it just was like I was like, oh,
Speaker 8: it's America. Something they might be muted now, just reminded
Speaker 8: me of America.
Speaker 7: And I wanted to ask real quick to Mario, is
Speaker 7: there anything or you might be touching on this later,
Speaker 7: but is there anything that you can think of with
Speaker 7: the pole being like red and white? Because all I
Speaker 7: just think of is like the barber's pole, you know.
Speaker 7: And then you mentioned pole end earlier in the show,
Speaker 7: which is very associated with red and white colors. So
Speaker 7: I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on
Speaker 7: that real quick.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 10: No, I mean not specifically with the red and white,
Speaker 10: but where you see a pole, it is related, you know.
Speaker 10: And so whether it's the may pole the barber pole,
Speaker 10: for sure, I think corresponds with that. And also, you know,
Speaker 10: one of the things I've heard people refer to this
Speaker 10: original tradition as is as the mystic pole tradition, and
Speaker 10: you'll find that a lot of sort of messengers that
Speaker 10: have preserved wisdom from a previous age. A lot of
Speaker 10: times they're very much related to the pole. Like they
Speaker 10: will literally carry a walking stick with them. They have
Speaker 10: a shepherd's crook, which I think is very much related
Speaker 10: to this idea. The fool oftentimes has one or two
Speaker 10: poles with him, The green man oftentimes has a walking
Speaker 10: stick with him. Sometimes they'll have a tree or a
Speaker 10: branch like on his shoulder or something like that. So
Speaker 10: the poll definitely, in all of its sort of variations,
Speaker 10: I think it just relates to this original sort of idea.
Speaker 2: People as well.
Speaker 6: Good They could go back to the barber pole, because
Speaker 6: the barber was more than just a barber, right, he
Speaker 6: did all sorts of surgeries and all the rest of
Speaker 6: that stuff. So that could be related to the rod
Speaker 6: of Asclepius. Because you've got some snake fling up the pole.
Speaker 7: The yeah, that could concentric representation instead of crossing, right,
Speaker 7: they're intertwined around the pole. Sometimes a barber pool is red,
Speaker 7: white and blue. So even to me, it could be
Speaker 7: like magnetism to like the different like polar opposites, like forces, right.
Speaker 2: Totally, Oh yeah, absolutely definitely, if I.
Speaker 11: May, if I may add on the misimistic idea and
Speaker 11: the idea of grounding, A big part of tai Chi
Speaker 11: practice or grand ultimate pole practice is what it really
Speaker 11: means is actually to imagine connecting with the North Star
Speaker 11: and that being a whole balancing process. Buddhism in many
Speaker 11: different meditation techniques starts with the ideal idea of single pointedness.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Sometimes many many meditations might have the idea of a
Speaker 4: single spark, and this this spark is is of course
Speaker 4: the poll of our energy. And in every mandala and
Speaker 4: yantra or visual meditation tool, there is a center point
Speaker 4: and it's very important to consider in in the meditation process.
Speaker 4: And there is also, i think not necessarily explored, but
Speaker 4: the the symbol of God or maybe one can infer
Speaker 4: godliness or a meditated mindset. Forgive my stutter, but the
Speaker 4: the circumpunct, the Greek symbol for God has is the
Speaker 4: center point or the single point circle the mode excuse me,
Speaker 4: and and is really a simple but in that simplicity
Speaker 4: a profound meditation tool potentially as well. So I think
Speaker 4: that the center pointedness and being centered right, all this
Speaker 4: all this has a lot of psychic value, if you will.
Speaker 4: And I also want to add to that psyche idea
Speaker 4: that the trinity that you mentioned I found profound not
Speaker 4: only in the more physical senses you explored with the polar,
Speaker 4: solar and lunar from the tarot, but there's also the
Speaker 4: internal or mindset trinity that these might correspond with. And
Speaker 4: the first one that comes to mind is the priest,
Speaker 4: the king, and the philosopher. So I think there's a
Speaker 4: bunch of internal or meditative or self development ideas through
Speaker 4: that center point, single point in this Thanks for letting
Speaker 4: me share that.
Speaker 10: Yeah, dude, no, you freaking got it, man, you totally
Speaker 10: get it. The circumpunct is interesting for so many different
Speaker 10: reasons because I agree with you, it's related to the center.
Speaker 10: Isn't it interesting that the circumpunked in today's world is
Speaker 10: the symbol of the sun, because the symbol of the
Speaker 10: sun has really taken on a lot of the symbolism
Speaker 10: that was originally associated with the pole star, and so
Speaker 10: the sun in today's world, if you're a heliocentrist, that
Speaker 10: is the central poll part of what this is all
Speaker 10: about goes back to what people have called axial symbolism.
Speaker 10: Is that that central point is the point of pivot
Speaker 10: for whatever that system is, right, And so if you're
Speaker 10: a heliocentrist, the point of pivot is the Sun. If
Speaker 10: you're more of a geocentrist or something, then the point
Speaker 10: of pivot would be this central poll right, the point
Speaker 10: of which all things revolve around, which has this relationship
Speaker 10: with the poll star. And so in a lot of
Speaker 10: newer symbolism books, what you'll find is that the circumpunct
Speaker 10: oftentimes is related more so to the Sun than anything else.
Speaker 10: You will also see the same thing with the quartered
Speaker 10: circle right, which is just the cross with a circle
Speaker 10: around it, and a lot of people say in modern
Speaker 10: symbolism books is that it's the solar wheel. Everything in
Speaker 10: modern times has been over emphasized to go along with
Speaker 10: sun worship pretty much, in my opinion, and I think
Speaker 10: a large part of this has to do with heliocentrism,
Speaker 10: and I think in large part of this has to
Speaker 10: do with the church in Christianity and things like that
Speaker 10: as well. So one of my favorite symbology books actually
Speaker 10: talks about the centeredness that you're referring to with everything
Speaker 10: and how that relates to all so many different symbols
Speaker 10: mountain symbolism, world tree symbolism, the circumpunk the you know,
Speaker 10: the quartered circle, things like that. And so one of
Speaker 10: the books that really kind of changed the game for
Speaker 10: me is called The Penguin Dictionary of Symbols. I recommend
Speaker 10: it all the time because it's one of the easiest
Speaker 10: to get symbolic dictionaries on the market. It's super cheap,
Speaker 10: but the entries are really good. And I realize that
Speaker 10: I love that book so much because they referenced renege
Speaker 10: went On all the time, and he's like the polar guy,
Speaker 10: and so he is referenced more than any other author
Speaker 10: or researcher in that entire book. And so reading that
Speaker 10: book really got me sort of used to thinking about
Speaker 10: this sort of center idea, inner synctum and sort of
Speaker 10: what that represents and how you see it in so
Speaker 10: many different things, just like you're saying, with meditative symbols
Speaker 10: and mondalas and things like that. So, yeah, excellent stuff.
Speaker 10: So what I see is that the circumpunked and quartered circle,
Speaker 10: these are originally polar symbols, not solar symbols.
Speaker 2: That's just my interpretation of things.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 8: I would like to add, when you go back and
Speaker 8: you look at the original layout of Atlantis and Atlas
Speaker 8: holding up the heavens basically being that pillar Atlantis itself
Speaker 8: are those circular the circular motion around the center point
Speaker 8: and then having a temple on every circular axis. But
Speaker 8: perhaps even because there were other instances where we've had
Speaker 8: other polar stars based on the shifts and the movements
Speaker 8: of the heavens, and at one point where there was
Speaker 8: actually a dual star that was the polar star, but
Speaker 8: perhaps the sinking of Atlantis was actually just the cosmic
Speaker 8: shift and the change of the polestar.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 10: One of the things I'll say is that I'm actually
Speaker 10: wrestling with whether or not the polestar has changed or not,
Speaker 10: and the procession of the equinoxes and everything else. Like
Speaker 10: I've heard that I have charts with the older polestars
Speaker 10: and things like that, and I've talked to some really
Speaker 10: really knowledgeable people who no longer buy that that the
Speaker 10: polestar has shifted or changed. And so I would say
Speaker 10: that I'm personally on the fence. I don't know what
Speaker 10: to quite think about that, you know, so just something
Speaker 10: to consider, I guess. The interesting thing too, so in
Speaker 10: today's world in modern times, if you see a depiction
Speaker 10: of Alice or someone draws Atlas or creates a statue
Speaker 10: or something, Alice is going to be holding the globe
Speaker 10: literally a sphere on top of his shoulder. Is the
Speaker 10: earliest versions of Alice. He's actually holding up the firmament, right,
Speaker 10: So he's holding up the vault of heaven. Yes, And
Speaker 10: I think this is interesting because that would align him
Speaker 10: with world axis axis Moondy symbolism. And guess how many
Speaker 10: daughters Atlas had. He had seven daughters, and so this
Speaker 10: would be ursa major this original seven Stars of Enlightenment.
Speaker 10: And so what's happened, like I was saying earlier, is
Speaker 10: a lot of the core symbolism associated with the North
Speaker 10: kind of has been dispersed all throughout the rest of
Speaker 10: the night sky, in my opinion, And you will see
Speaker 10: this with the Pleiades, because the Seven Sisters are basically
Speaker 10: the daughters of Atlas. And when you actually look at
Speaker 10: the mythology, one of the fascinating things is that when
Speaker 10: you look at the Pleiades, even though it's generally referred
Speaker 10: to as the Seven Sisters, there's actually only six main stars.
Speaker 10: But they have a myth about the missing seventh daughter. Right,
Speaker 10: the myth exists because it's a transition from Ursa major
Speaker 10: to the other place, and so for more heliocentric minded people,
Speaker 10: the new axis I think exists from Taurus to Scorpio.
Speaker 10: Basically that this is sort of the new axial bridge
Speaker 10: to the other side, which to me is more like
Speaker 10: a counterfeit or a copy of something that existed in
Speaker 10: the northern sky.
Speaker 2: Personally, well, do.
Speaker 6: You know what the first bone right below your.
Speaker 2: Skull is called atlas?
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's holding up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, funny, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6: Well what that interest me too, is that all of
Speaker 6: the stories and all of the myths and everything else
Speaker 6: in ancient societies were found in the constellations. So that
Speaker 6: was like the memory of the civilization. So it's literally
Speaker 6: holding up the head, which is the whole memory of
Speaker 6: the world.
Speaker 2: Which would be stars right right, yeah, exactly beautiful.
Speaker 4: One of the principles, if I'm not mistaken, of the circumpunct,
Speaker 4: is that the center can be basically anywhere, and the
Speaker 4: circumference is basically limitless. Yes, and the Native Americans have
Speaker 4: a beautiful idea. I find that it just reflects this.
Speaker 4: For instance, if you go to the Hopi reservation. I
Speaker 4: think it's San Francisco Mountain is the center of the universe.
Speaker 4: And if you go to another tribe's place, they have
Speaker 4: another mountain usually that is the center of the universe.
Speaker 4: So it's just an interesting idea that relates to that.
Speaker 6: San Francisco, the San Francisco Mountain Range is like one
Speaker 6: hundred miles away from Hope Territory.
Speaker 4: Certainly, no, but I'm pretty sure they have it as
Speaker 4: a as a very revered place, and I think it's
Speaker 4: their center point.
Speaker 6: That's where the Kachinas come from. Is they come from
Speaker 6: mountains towards the Mesa.
Speaker 8: And isn't that also where they hit out during the
Speaker 8: last Earth changes underground with the Anti people that took
Speaker 8: care of them and helped them out until they could
Speaker 8: re emerge.
Speaker 4: It is, actually I think that was in there's another
Speaker 4: place more close to the reservation, as I was told.
Speaker 4: There's it's something like the Blue Canyon or Blue something
Speaker 4: or other where they came out of. So maybe they
Speaker 4: entered it in Sanisco.
Speaker 8: Right, and they call that the navel of the there
Speaker 8: you go, Yeah, yep.
Speaker 7: It's interesting. When you first mentioned the pyramids, Maryo, it
Speaker 7: made me think, like I was like, oh, my new
Speaker 7: favorite Earth theory is pyramid Earth because I think it
Speaker 7: just represents like the shape of the Earth. It's got
Speaker 7: the four corners and then the top is held up
Speaker 7: like a canopy, you know, sort of, but it's representative
Speaker 7: of that. And same with the mountains, right, a mountain
Speaker 7: being like your center point.
Speaker 1: Wherever you're at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, yeah.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 10: The idea of your temple or lodge or whatever being
Speaker 10: the center of the universe is really common, and I
Speaker 10: almost would say that if you're not kind of imbuing
Speaker 10: that on your sacred space, you're kind of doing it wrong.
Speaker 10: And so that's why the lodge has that pole star
Speaker 10: right on top.
Speaker 2: Of it, right, right.
Speaker 10: So speaking of actually, Nick, if you don't mind going
Speaker 10: to the seventeenth slide, it's related because it's another five
Speaker 10: pointed star.
Speaker 2: But there you go, right above there you go.
Speaker 10: So my understanding is that this was the symbol of
Speaker 10: the opening to the other side in ancient Egypt, the duot,
Speaker 10: and so this is the five pointed star that represented
Speaker 10: sort of that gateway or threshold between realms.
Speaker 2: Right. And there's a woman named Judy K.
Speaker 10: King and she wrote a book called the Isis Thesis,
Speaker 10: and according to her decoding of the hieroglyphs, she basically
Speaker 10: says that the ancient Egyptians had this idea that when
Speaker 10: they die, and maybe this was just a certain sect
Speaker 10: of people or for a certain period of time, but
Speaker 10: she basically said that their idea was that when they die,
Speaker 10: their soul goes to the north and exits the cusp
Speaker 10: of this great horn of a bull. And basically this
Speaker 10: would be like the toroidal field pretty much, right, So
Speaker 10: the Tourus field has an opening above, has an opening below.
Speaker 10: If you look at the Earth's magnetic field, it looks
Speaker 10: like a Taurus field. We get the northern lights because
Speaker 10: of this dynamic of this magnetic opening at the north right.
Speaker 10: And so I just think it's interesting that they preserved
Speaker 10: the five pointed star in that Freemasonic lodge as being
Speaker 10: the gateway to the heavens, and the Egyptians basically had
Speaker 10: the same thing according to this woman, that this was
Speaker 10: the symbol to go to the other side, and the
Speaker 10: number five too. The mathematics behind the five and literally
Speaker 10: the pentagram the shape of a five pointed star. It's
Speaker 10: truly transcendental. It exists between the physical realm and the
Speaker 10: spirit realm, right, and so there's so much to say
Speaker 10: about that just in general, but it makes a lot
Speaker 10: of sense that this would be sort of the icon
Speaker 10: that crosses that threshold, which, by the way, just want
Speaker 10: to say that there's maybe maybe it's completely balanced. I
Speaker 10: don't know, but there's a lot of symbolism related to
Speaker 10: the heavens or heaven being in the Northern Sky. There's
Speaker 10: also a lot of symbolism and it's really one and
Speaker 10: the same in my world of the underworld also existing
Speaker 10: in the Northern Sky that they're basically it's like synonymous
Speaker 10: kind of in a way. But that's what a lot
Speaker 10: of the black magical stuff that I attached to early
Speaker 10: on when I was reading about it, that's kind of
Speaker 10: they attributed more of that stuff to the Northern Sky.
Speaker 2: But it's the same thing.
Speaker 10: You'll see lots of God symbolism related to the Northern
Speaker 10: Sky and the Pole Star. You'll see a lot of
Speaker 10: goddess symbolism, a lot of king and queen symbolism. So
Speaker 10: it really is kind of like encompasses all of it,
Speaker 10: you know, in a lot of ways.
Speaker 8: So we'll go ahead, Teresa, Oh, just real quick.
Speaker 7: This depiction of the five pointy star looks so much
Speaker 7: like a belly button to me. It could be like, honestly,
Speaker 7: it's a tether between mother and child and the heavens
Speaker 7: and bringing a soul earth side.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 10: Well, that's a great point because when you look at
Speaker 10: some depictions of Knew It or New Nut and she
Speaker 10: is the firmament, She's like the night sky. She her belly,
Speaker 10: her belly button is right there at the very top
Speaker 10: of that arch.
Speaker 8: Ye that's right, man, yeah, crazy right. I was going
Speaker 8: to say, now, when you look at Mother Kiboli or
Speaker 8: the Mother of all the gods, Mother kay Belle, when
Speaker 8: they would venerate to her, they would walk the left
Speaker 8: hand path with the mountain in the center, excellent up
Speaker 8: up to the peak of the mountain. And then when
Speaker 8: they reach the peak of the mountain, there was actually
Speaker 8: the cave of the divine Mother and you would enter
Speaker 8: into the so you're actually ascending the pillar and when
Speaker 8: you reach the top, you're going through a portal essentially.
Speaker 10: There you go. Yeah, exactly. You know a lot of
Speaker 10: people don't realize that the Kaba cube is feminine. Yeah,
Speaker 10: oh yeah, it's completely thoroughly feminine. In fact, if my
Speaker 10: understanding's correct, Kaba means house of the Mother or like
Speaker 10: house of the Great Mother, something along these lines. And
Speaker 10: the black veil over the cube itself is called the
Speaker 10: kisswah and it's literally a veil and veil symbolism corresponds
Speaker 10: with virgo and a lot of god is symbolism basically,
Speaker 10: so the Kaba cube is thoroughly feminine. And what I've
Speaker 10: heard as well, there's a great author, his name is W. H.
Speaker 2: Mueller.
Speaker 10: He wrote a book called Pelaria. He really got into
Speaker 10: some of this information. He basically says that the reverence
Speaker 10: of the Kaba being the Mother got exported into Europe
Speaker 10: as the Black Madonna, and that that's why the Black
Speaker 10: Madonna worship was like on the underground uh in Europe
Speaker 10: and really really took root in France.
Speaker 8: So now with the back to Mother Kibbelli Uh Kibbeli,
Speaker 8: she was represented as a meteorite that had fallen from
Speaker 8: the heaven and she was basically this black, almost obsidian
Speaker 8: type stone that a lot of people believe was a
Speaker 8: sort of a loadstone. But nonetheless, when she went to Rome,
Speaker 8: they carved the goddess and left the face empty and
Speaker 8: just put the black stone in it. So there is
Speaker 8: and then within the cobbastone as well, you open that
Speaker 8: veil up and there's like a silver vagina essentially, right,
Speaker 8: that has broken up pieces of a very similar type
Speaker 8: black rock that mohammed and it had been stolen away
Speaker 8: and brought back. And yeah, so this black rock symbolism
Speaker 8: of this divine feminine energy is something that you can
Speaker 8: trace a lot of these schools.
Speaker 10: Back to exactly, right, dude, you totally got it, man, Yeah,
Speaker 10: for sure. And even literally black rock like the company
Speaker 10: that's a loadstone reference, right, Oh for sure.
Speaker 4: And so even think of the Philosopher's Stone too, is
Speaker 4: alleged to be a black rock, a black substance.
Speaker 2: Right there you go. Yeah, I completely agree.
Speaker 10: I think the Philosopher's Stone is basically a central stone
Speaker 10: sort of concept, and there's a lot to kind of
Speaker 10: pull out with that, for sure. Have you seen videos,
Speaker 10: Robbie of like people who go to Mecca and stuff
Speaker 10: and then they're basically like putting their face into like
Speaker 10: the silveroni there and there going nuts.
Speaker 8: And kissing the goddess herself.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8: Well I've talked to a couple of Muslims about you know,
Speaker 8: the rocks that are in there, and all that I
Speaker 8: can get from both the guys was there're just magic
Speaker 8: rocks from heaven. So yeah, just walking.
Speaker 6: Aren't they walking around it too?
Speaker 8: They circle mambulated to the left seven times, seven times.
Speaker 10: Yes, what I've heard you might already know this, but
Speaker 10: what I heard is that the lore of the stone
Speaker 10: is that it used to be white, right, and that
Speaker 10: as man has kind of fallen from grace or sin
Speaker 10: or whatever, that is turning.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the tears of the age and the pain of
Speaker 8: the time. And yes, I've turned that city in black.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 10: So speaking of seven, if you just want to go
Speaker 10: down to the next slide there.
Speaker 5: Changed, I just do want to add with the star
Speaker 5: without the circle around it. I have seen that that
Speaker 5: stars like on the ceiling of the Oto lodges. It's
Speaker 5: for uh, I think the Gnostic has for the Gnostic
Speaker 5: mass and you have to have that on the on
Speaker 5: the ceiling. And their ceiling is like pretty much black,
Speaker 5: are almost like extremely dark blue, and I'll have that star.
Speaker 5: And interesting enough, when I was at the Sistine Chapel,
Speaker 5: they told us before Michelangelo painted the ceiling. That's exactly
Speaker 5: what they had on theirs. Oh wow, it was that
Speaker 5: star with the same colored background, and I was like,
Speaker 5: that is interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is I believe the throne for the Royalty
Speaker 4: of England sits upon a rock. I forget what it's called.
Speaker 4: This this rock which is just thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4: That's always struck me as very very strange, how often
Speaker 4: we humanity extols these ends upon rocks.
Speaker 2: And there's the royalty.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that stone that you're talking about, that that basically
Speaker 8: they inaugurate the royalty under. They drag it out from
Speaker 8: the Castle of Edinburgh whenever they're going to inaugurate the
Speaker 8: king or the queen, whoever it is. But that is
Speaker 8: the They say that it's the same stone that goes
Speaker 8: back to Jacob and Jacob's pillow and basically the creating
Speaker 8: Jacob's ladder, the access mundee.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, wow, it all it all relates that.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 6: What interesting thing about the Hebrew altars is that they
Speaker 6: had to be made out of stone that was never
Speaker 6: touched by any chisels, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, no, exactly.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you'll find the correspondence with these holy locations which
Speaker 10: are subordinate to the original sort of holy location. The
Speaker 10: stone symbolism is always generally sort of there, and sometimes
Speaker 10: the central stone will be like a standing stone, right,
Speaker 10: or like in Jerusalem, the temple mount has a big
Speaker 10: stone underneath the dome the dome of the rock, right,
Speaker 10: and so there's a hole in the middle of that rock, right,
Speaker 10: which goes to like the and there's all sorts of
Speaker 10: stuff going on down there.
Speaker 8: Yes, And Jerusalem also has the highest number of standing
Speaker 8: stones in the world.
Speaker 10: Oh is that right? I didn't know that. Oh yeah, interesting, Yeah,
Speaker 10: I can see that. And so sometimes isn't.
Speaker 6: That rock supposed to be where Jake or where Abraham
Speaker 6: was supposed to sacrifice Isaac.
Speaker 8: The pillow itself.
Speaker 3: The dome of the rock, the dome of the rock, Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: And that altar goes from Isaac and Jacob all the
Speaker 3: way back to that being the original altar of Adam
Speaker 3: and Eve where.
Speaker 10: Came to there you go, yeah, right, there you go,
Speaker 10: man and well.
Speaker 8: And then that was also where Adam and Eve had
Speaker 8: built that hinge where that altar was because they were
Speaker 8: watching the heavens, was said to be the exact point
Speaker 8: that they had been cast out of the Garden of Eden.
Speaker 8: So that is directly related to the Polestar.
Speaker 10: Uh, please tell me more about this hinge. I don't
Speaker 10: know if I know about that.
Speaker 8: Yeah. So there's these stories that when the divine couple
Speaker 8: was cast out of the you know, the Eden essentially
Speaker 8: that they immediately set to watching the stars because they
Speaker 8: were told that they would know the time of return
Speaker 8: based upon the position of the stars. So they took
Speaker 8: five rocks back to the five again here and basically
Speaker 8: built this hinge of five stones from five sacred mountains
Speaker 8: in in accordance of the you know, directions that they
Speaker 8: brought them from, and then set up that original altar
Speaker 8: that became the the altar for Isaac, the the and
Speaker 8: the Escapegoat, as well as being the place where Solomon's
Speaker 8: temple was eventually built.
Speaker 2: Right wow.
Speaker 10: Yeah, because the Pole Star two has been very obscurely
Speaker 10: and not commonly referred to as the hinge Star because
Speaker 10: its acts as that point of pivot obviously, right, And
Speaker 10: that's really interesting too, the point where Cain killed Abel,
Speaker 10: because what you're doing when you're kind of establishing a
Speaker 10: pole is you're creating something for the people to revolve around,
Speaker 10: and so you're creating something that's a stabilizing force. And
Speaker 10: so there's a lot of symbolism with the pole and
Speaker 10: the pole star relating to orientation, right, You're giving someone
Speaker 10: a point of orientation, and this point that gets established.
Speaker 10: That is way more of a thing for sedentary peoples.
Speaker 10: I recently was reading about nomadic peoples versus stationary people's, right,
Speaker 10: and sort of like the cultural and symbolic difference between
Speaker 10: the two, it's really really fascinating. And Cain basically represents
Speaker 10: more of that, the sort of gray culture, right, yeah,
Speaker 10: and Able symbolically represented more of a pastoral hu together
Speaker 10: yeah yeah, and that he apparently represented kind of like
Speaker 10: symbolically nomadic peoples, right, the people who travel in this
Speaker 10: and that so Cain killing Abel, I've heard is the
Speaker 10: agrarians killing the nomadic people's basically well and preventing them
Speaker 10: from moving, right.
Speaker 8: And and Cain killing Abel because the lord quote unquote
Speaker 8: didn't take his sacrifice of the best you know of
Speaker 8: the fields, basically the appropriate sacrifice being the oldest that
Speaker 8: was you know, unblemished, that was the purest in factor
Speaker 8: was his brother Caine. So he was actually substituting Cain
Speaker 8: for his offering of the the field.
Speaker 2: M right right, Wow, I love all of that, dude.
Speaker 10: That's really interesting, Nick, If you don't mind just going
Speaker 10: to the next slide, So I see all of the
Speaker 10: numbers relating downward. There you go a lot of numbers
Speaker 10: relate to the north. I would say one of the
Speaker 10: key ones is seven. Symbolically, what I've heard people say
Speaker 10: is that it's almost as though the current world tree,
Speaker 10: if there was one, is twelve branched, but the world
Speaker 10: tree in the primordial tradition was seven branched. The number
Speaker 10: seven is a really really important sort of thing. And
Speaker 10: I actually think you get the number seven the glyph
Speaker 10: the shape of the number seven. I think you get
Speaker 10: it from Ursa Major. I think that's what it goes
Speaker 10: back to. And so what you see here is Ursa
Speaker 10: Major on the right hand side. This is how you
Speaker 10: locate the Pole star. If you're ever looking stargazing, if
Speaker 10: you can find Ursa Major, the big dipper, you just
Speaker 10: look at the end of the vessel and then you
Speaker 10: just create a straight line and you will see the
Speaker 10: pole star, the north star. And the Pole Star is
Speaker 10: one of seven stars that makes up Ursa Minor. It's
Speaker 10: the tip of the handle. So when you're actually acknowledging
Speaker 10: this movement, it's almost like two vessels revolving around this
Speaker 10: central point of pivot. It's almost like they're pouring water
Speaker 10: from one to the other. Which makes me wonder, actually
Speaker 10: if this is being encoded in like the temperance card
Speaker 10: in the major arcana, because you have seven stars of
Speaker 10: Versu major, seven stars of Ursa minor, the temperance card
Speaker 10: is actually number fourteen. People have said the number fourteen
Speaker 10: is actually kind of a symbolic northern number, and.
Speaker 4: That makes me think the reference to the waters on
Speaker 4: the firmament.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, the exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah, there's a ton of watery oceanic symbolism associated with
Speaker 10: the northern sky, like it's insane, even including like in
Speaker 10: the Vedic world, the Rishi's the seven sages coming from
Speaker 10: the north. They each have a correspondence with one of
Speaker 10: these stars, so in their world they literally I've come
Speaker 10: across information literature that says that there are seven sages
Speaker 10: come from the north and they each one of them
Speaker 10: corresponds with a different star in Ursa major. So something
Speaker 10: to consider. But if you go to the next slide,
Speaker 10: you'll just see a simple sort of illustration of how
Speaker 10: this creates the swastika. It's ursa major going around the
Speaker 10: pole star. If you look at it once a season,
Speaker 10: this is what you're going to see that Gates of
Speaker 10: the Necronomicon book has a whole entire section in the
Speaker 10: back where they basically it's completely outdated because the book
Speaker 10: is old, but they basically have these rituals where you
Speaker 10: conduct the ritual when the great bear is hanging from
Speaker 10: its tail, and this is a reference to major right
Speaker 10: or some major hanging from its tail going downwards. So
Speaker 10: the tables in the back actually tell you when that's
Speaker 10: going to happen. And if you just go to the
Speaker 10: next slide, you'll see the number seven, So just showing
Speaker 10: you I think that the number seven glyph comes from that,
Speaker 10: and there's so much evidence to suggest that this is
Speaker 10: the case. So if you go down one more you'll
Speaker 10: see just an old map that I found at a friend's place. Right,
Speaker 10: So this is the Arctic, so the North Pole, and
Speaker 10: you'll see that it's septin trio. So sept is a
Speaker 10: reference to like septinary as in like number seven, right,
Speaker 10: So septin trio literally is a reference to the original
Speaker 10: seven stars of the Northern Sky basically, So if you
Speaker 10: just want to continue scrolling down, you'll see that Septin
Speaker 10: trio equals north. And if you keep on going, what
Speaker 10: I've read from some authors is that sept is actually
Speaker 10: a reference to Set as well, if you go to
Speaker 10: the next slide, and Set has a huge relationship with
Speaker 10: the Northern Sky as well. He's either directly associated with
Speaker 10: ursa Major or he's been said to hide behind ursa Major.
Speaker 10: One of the things I've come across is that a
Speaker 10: lot of the oldest deities come from the Northern Sky,
Speaker 10: are associated with the Northern Sky. And one of my
Speaker 10: good friends who got into a lot of this information
Speaker 10: years and years before I ever did. He and we
Speaker 10: disagree on a ton of things, but one of the
Speaker 10: things he said was all people, supreme deity is in
Speaker 10: Northern God, unbeknownst to them for the most part, but
Speaker 10: that it all goes back to that, because that is
Speaker 10: the supreme unifying center basically, and so there's no more powerful,
Speaker 10: potent place that the gods could come from.
Speaker 2: And I think this is why as well.
Speaker 10: Lovecraft in his work he was referencing the most ancient,
Speaker 10: primordial of gods which come from the North, which I
Speaker 10: think pre date and precede a lot of newer gods.
Speaker 10: So I would say that the Northern gods came before
Speaker 10: even like the planetary gods, that the planetary gods are
Speaker 10: actually a newer creation compared to Northern gods.
Speaker 4: The first Bible assimilation was simply called the septugent, right there,
Speaker 4: you go, right, Alexandria and I and I often wondered
Speaker 4: why that was such a powerful thing that they could
Speaker 4: just use that number. But now in seeing this and
Speaker 4: what they're alluding to with just saying the septugent, that
Speaker 4: the seventy chapter, I think is what it means. So
Speaker 4: so just right to the kind of center, if you will,
Speaker 4: of what you're saying there.
Speaker 8: Well, interestingly, you know, you're talking about the idea of
Speaker 8: these original Northern gods basically coming before the planetary gods
Speaker 8: per se. Right, And if you look back at Mother
Speaker 8: Kibbli and how she is essentially started out in Phrygia
Speaker 8: and then you know, transversed into Greece and eventually they
Speaker 8: bring her into Rome. The sibling prophecy says, bring this
Speaker 8: Southeast Asian goddess into Rome, right, and she become They
Speaker 8: set her up on Palatine Hill immediately, and she becomes
Speaker 8: the mother of all the gods of Rome, which are
Speaker 8: the planetary gods. And if you go back, she was
Speaker 8: originally this polar god like I was talking about the
Speaker 8: mountain and the cave and the portal that transitions, and
Speaker 8: they bring her in and then all of the planetary
Speaker 8: gods start to take place ritual places within the worship
Speaker 8: of Mother Kibili in Rome.
Speaker 10: There you go, man, Yeah, that's perfect, exactly right. That
Speaker 10: makes a lot of sense to me. And we'll be
Speaker 10: getting into a little bit more of a goddess symbolism
Speaker 10: as it relates to the North too, because it really
Speaker 10: it's so relevant if you just want to cruise to
Speaker 10: the next slide, very simple, you know, seven seven days
Speaker 10: of creation, seven heaven, seven seas, wonders of the world,
Speaker 10: seven sages, the hermetic principles for what it's worth, the
Speaker 10: mythraic degrees, et cetera, et cetera. Right, So the number
Speaker 10: seven is so significant, and I see it that it
Speaker 10: relates more to this northern business than like any other
Speaker 10: place that I've come across. And so when you go
Speaker 10: to the next slide. You know, there we go. You know,
Speaker 10: when you're looking at the seven pointed star and you
Speaker 10: see all these sevens around, I think it's all encoded
Speaker 10: northern symbolism stuff. I think this is a reference to
Speaker 10: the North Star basically, like almost a clear reference to it.
Speaker 10: And the feminine symbolism is there with that Vesica Pisces,
Speaker 10: you know, sort of.
Speaker 2: In the middle Babylon.
Speaker 10: The Babylonian symbolism on like with multiple myths, completely corresponds
Speaker 10: to northern symbolism in my opinion. In the next slide,
Speaker 10: I have the Horror of Babylon as well. She's always
Speaker 10: depicted with what a seven headed beast, right, and so
Speaker 10: it's all northern in my opinion. And then if you
Speaker 10: go to the next slide, it's just a simple star card, right.
Speaker 10: But this is from Lon Milo Duquet, who's, you know,
Speaker 10: an occultist author guy. But the card corresponds with Aquarius.
Speaker 10: And so one of my favorite videos that I put
Speaker 10: together has been correlating a lot of Aquarian symbolism with
Speaker 10: northern symbolism and the Pole star. And so to me,
Speaker 10: when you're making a reference to this card that is
Speaker 10: the Northern star, it's to me, it doesn't make sense
Speaker 10: that it's basically any other star, considering when you sort
Speaker 10: of like understand the hierarchy of things, right, That's one
Speaker 10: thing that I'm really trying to acknowledge these days, is
Speaker 10: the spiritual hierarchy of things and kind of what's more primordial,
Speaker 10: what's more central, what came later, what's related to you know,
Speaker 10: more modern sort of stuff or whatever. And then the
Speaker 10: last two cards here, I just have more star cards basically,
Speaker 10: but you'll see that it's a tradition to show the
Speaker 10: central star surrounded by seven other stars, right, and so
Speaker 10: to me it's pretty clear. And then she has the
Speaker 10: two vessels. It just reminds me of the dippers and
Speaker 10: everything else. And then the Crowley version, so he has
Speaker 10: three sort of spiraling three or four like spiraling stars,
Speaker 10: and they all are are seven pointed. Since you're looking
Speaker 10: at the slides, one of the things I definitely want
Speaker 10: to show people is a slide number three, three and four.
Speaker 2: So I mean, no one has to take my word
Speaker 2: for any of this.
Speaker 10: I know you guys are down, you guys are adding
Speaker 10: a lot of great information, you know, to the conversation.
Speaker 10: But what I did was I actually put together a
Speaker 10: pdf called polar Symbolism, and I list twenty seven books
Speaker 10: that I've either completely read through or have done like
Speaker 10: you know, I basically skimmed through for certain terms and
Speaker 10: keywords and whatever that have really like helped inform me
Speaker 10: about all of this stuff. And so there's actually a
Speaker 10: lot more information out there than people realize. And so
Speaker 10: you can find that on my website, Symbolic Studies dot
Speaker 10: com and it's on the top banner when you go
Speaker 10: to the site.
Speaker 2: But if you go to.
Speaker 10: The next slide, I just basically took out those books
Speaker 10: and just put them here so that people can just
Speaker 10: take a screenshot if they're.
Speaker 2: Watching this and they don't want to go to the website.
Speaker 1: That's a great listen, thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah.
Speaker 10: I mean there's a million other things we could talk about.
Speaker 10: I have a handful of quotes and everything else, but
Speaker 10: I think, uh, I don't know, you guys get the idea.
Speaker 10: We can talk about whatever else from here. If you
Speaker 10: guys have any questions or you know, further sort of insights.
Speaker 1: If I have anything they wanted to add, you know.
Speaker 4: I'll add I'll add real quick something that actually Nick
Speaker 4: and I forget who all else we did the show with.
Speaker 4: We were looking at the pillar or, which is etymologically
Speaker 4: related to Pull. Of course, the pillars relationship, and there
Speaker 4: is another trinity that they represent, which I think can
Speaker 4: be best summed up or a great way to look
Speaker 4: at it anyway is h reservation, creation, and destruction. And
Speaker 4: this these three pillars, if you will, or forces are
Speaker 4: in a sense the trinity also, and they're set up
Speaker 4: to deal with the chaos that is set right and
Speaker 4: that being the unsaid forth in that and and also
Speaker 4: a good aspector or in Egypt. Anyway, a positive symbolic
Speaker 4: aspect of Set was that he is symbolic for the
Speaker 4: clout and he would and you mentioned some of that
Speaker 4: symbolism earlier related to it. But he is very chaotic
Speaker 4: and comes into that you know, new or or we
Speaker 4: have to be planted land and presents that chaos which
Speaker 4: you fill up and make make nice.
Speaker 2: Right, right. Yeah.
Speaker 10: I actually I interviewed a modern day Setian maybe like
Speaker 10: a year and a half ago, and that's on my
Speaker 10: YouTube channel if people would want to hear that conversation.
Speaker 10: And I got interested in Set because of the Northern
Speaker 10: correspondence with everything, and what this guy said and what
Speaker 10: I've read as well, is that back in the day,
Speaker 10: and there's different traditions that basically do a very similar
Speaker 10: sort of thing, but that if you had an adversarial
Speaker 10: sort of deity that you wanted to sort of combat,
Speaker 10: that you wanted to have a god that was equally
Speaker 10: as chaotic as that adversary or more primordial than that
Speaker 10: adversarial figure. And so Set was sort of the chaotic
Speaker 10: god for good basically is kind of how it was
Speaker 10: explained to me pretty much.
Speaker 2: And actually, Nick, if you.
Speaker 10: Want to go to the next slide down, I have
Speaker 10: a quote about chaos and Set and everything else, and
Speaker 10: so this is from Peter Lavenda. I'm pretty sure this
Speaker 10: is from his Dark Lord book, and he says chaos
Speaker 10: is associated in Egypt and in the Near and Middle
Speaker 10: East of the period with Set and with set Typhon,
Speaker 10: and the star to which the creed refers could only
Speaker 10: be the pole star with its seven circumpolar attendants, the
Speaker 10: Big Dipper, or as it was known in Egypt, the
Speaker 10: thigh of Set. The very important statement concerning one star
Speaker 10: in the company of stars of whose fire we are
Speaker 10: created into which we shall return, implies the extraterrestrial origins
Speaker 10: of humanity and, by extension, its ultimate destination. This star
Speaker 10: has been identified as the son of whom the Father
Speaker 10: is the sole wece regent. But I believe this is
Speaker 10: a blind as were the seven planets of mythrism for
Speaker 10: the real Sun, which is the immortal Polestar, a sun
Speaker 10: that never rises or sets, but which sits unmoving directly
Speaker 10: over head.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 10: So I think he really to me, it's interesting that
Speaker 10: he's the guy that's kind of coming out with a
Speaker 10: lot of this stuff, clearly because I can't say I
Speaker 10: agree with his whole body of work and things like that,
Speaker 10: and you know who he's connected with and things like that.
Speaker 10: I just I don't know too much about him on
Speaker 10: that level. I've heard things here and there. I've heard
Speaker 10: whispers and stuff. But he definitely knows about this symbolism,
Speaker 10: and I think there's more people that do than you
Speaker 10: would realize. Actually, it's so interesting. I'm starting to talk.
Speaker 10: I don't know if you guys are familiar with Emily Moyer,
Speaker 10: but she does some pretty good work and she's really
Speaker 10: into the DJ techno scene. And we had a conversation
Speaker 10: on her podcast, and she's exposing me to like several
Speaker 10: DJs that really put a lot of polar Northern symbolism
Speaker 10: into their artwork and stuff like that, and it's really
Speaker 10: interesting to me that this would even be the case.
Speaker 10: And even in like The Metal War, which is mostly
Speaker 10: what I listened to, there's a lot of bands that
Speaker 10: have had pole Star songs or alluded to it in
Speaker 10: like different ways, and like it's kind of like has
Speaker 10: been part of the artwork and things like that. So
Speaker 10: it's it's more of a thing than people realize. You
Speaker 10: just have to kind of go out and read some
Speaker 10: of this material or you know, want to know more
Speaker 10: about it basically.
Speaker 8: So now, also with if you look at the work
Speaker 8: of Kenneth Grant in his Typhony and Mysteries, he talks
Speaker 8: about the seven pointed Star and relates it relates it
Speaker 8: to isis how were you talking about the dog star
Speaker 8: relating to the poll star earlier? But he also says
Speaker 8: that that seven pointed star being the Goddess, that the
Speaker 8: center of that seven pointed star, the hub of the
Speaker 8: star itself is set.
Speaker 10: Yeah I've heard that as well, Yeah exactly, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 10: I got into Kenneth Grant because of all of this
Speaker 10: and one of the things I have haven't like completely
Speaker 10: dove into his entire body of work, but I do
Speaker 10: appreciate what I have read of his. But if you
Speaker 10: look at what is it The Night Side of Eden,
Speaker 10: you know, it's all about going to the tree of death,
Speaker 10: basically crossing over the clipophic tree and things like that.
Speaker 10: And basically he associates Doth, which has a correspondence with death.
Speaker 10: He corresponds doth as do other people with the North.
Speaker 10: He makes that very clear that that doth as the
Speaker 10: hidden separates that will take you to the other side,
Speaker 10: is associated with the North, which makes it just a
Speaker 10: ton of sense. The portal, it's the portal, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 10: So let me see here if there's any key quotes
Speaker 10: that I should read since you still have a.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's several. Let's see, maybe go to.
Speaker 10: The one right above that one. There you go, it's
Speaker 10: just another guanan. Yeah. So uh. If solar symbolism has
Speaker 10: an obvious relationship with day, polar symbolism, for its part,
Speaker 10: has a certain relationship with night. And it is significant
Speaker 10: in this respect that the midnight sun should have in
Speaker 10: order of sensory phenomena, it's literal representation in the Hyperborean
Speaker 10: regions that is the very place of origin of the
Speaker 10: Primorial tradition, right, Yeah, so the midnight sun being a
Speaker 10: reference to some of this, and then uh yeah, there
Speaker 10: you go. I mean, like I said, there's a million
Speaker 10: other things we can pull that, but I think we
Speaker 10: covered some pretty good ground.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh TJ. Did you want me to pull up your stuff? Oh?
Speaker 2: Sorry, god, no, no, I was on mute. Yeah.
Speaker 9: Sure, I've just been sitting back just soaking it all in,
Speaker 9: running it through my own process, or just like it's
Speaker 9: been very nice.
Speaker 2: It's been very good, very good reservation.
Speaker 1: There we go, switch.
Speaker 2: Right right off the hop.
Speaker 9: But I found interesting too that I found out well
Speaker 9: that image was there was the circle with the starfish
Speaker 9: in it, or like the five pointed the five divisions
Speaker 9: of it. So you would take three point one four
Speaker 9: pie or or pie like continued on divided by five
Speaker 9: to get like a length or a clue into what
Speaker 9: each of those lines would represent, and the number you
Speaker 9: get would be point six two, so polar equals point
Speaker 9: six to two. And you kept bringing that, you kept
Speaker 9: like referencing the way that polar is this very dark
Speaker 9: kind of thing like and could be connected with the
Speaker 9: black magic. I tried to keep it a little more positive,
Speaker 9: but black magic all sequals sixty two, and like poland
Speaker 9: equals sixty two, which is like, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting.
Speaker 2: Punk equals sixty two interesting.
Speaker 9: And then that equation at the bottom there is the
Speaker 9: equation for gravity equals sixty two. So with the polar
Speaker 9: and the gravity, that's like, oh wow, very cool. And
Speaker 9: then on the right music is just a very good
Speaker 9: representation of the number sixty five, and sixty five would
Speaker 9: be like six the harmony five the energy, so like
Speaker 9: harmonizing the energy, whereas sixty two would be like trying
Speaker 9: to add heart the six, trying to add harmony to
Speaker 9: the emotions, which would like it's almost like emotional like
Speaker 9: hexing the emotions. And then also with like solar it
Speaker 9: equally to fourteen. That's like Valentine's Day, just music, like
Speaker 9: just like that kind of kind of thing that's interesting.
Speaker 8: With it the singing of the spheres.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's really interesting with the sixty two.
Speaker 9: And then I wonder if the p and the polar,
Speaker 9: because we have the chrysogram and we're gonna break this
Speaker 9: down a bit. And the way that I set up
Speaker 9: my charts too, we're going clockwise around, so your east
Speaker 9: would be aries on the left, that's the only thing
Speaker 9: that I'd be reversed, and your north would be like
Speaker 9: the Gemini cancer and there's that. So the P, so
Speaker 9: I was just like pondering the P and the S.
Speaker 9: We can go to the next slide. And then I
Speaker 9: realized this one too today that just kind of blew
Speaker 9: my mind. Was like S, It's like eight is hidden
Speaker 9: in Satan as well, which is very interesting. But then
Speaker 9: S is the nineteenth letter and the eighth prime number
Speaker 9: is nineteen, and then like, yeah, the S is just
Speaker 9: like the dynamics. It's like the night and the day,
Speaker 9: which is more the solar So that like makes sense
Speaker 9: in that regards, and we keep going, there's only like two.
Speaker 8: More well, and it's also the sign wave yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: which is the cosmic water that the Age of Aquarius
Speaker 8: is pouring out.
Speaker 9: So then if you if you embark on this journey
Speaker 9: and you you go through the death or the Tower
Speaker 9: of the p and then you go on your quest
Speaker 9: and you pass the tests, you triumph or whatever, there's
Speaker 9: two possibilities after that. So you either become you, but
Speaker 9: you yourself is the ego and you have to let
Speaker 9: that a go. And you can't spell any Q words
Speaker 9: without a U. And when you put the Q on
Speaker 9: the chart, that's right where O fucus would be, which
Speaker 9: is the letter you. So it's about like if you
Speaker 9: just become yourself and the ego, you almost like have
Speaker 9: to go through the process again to like relearn the
Speaker 9: journey or you've kind of passed it. If that's what
Speaker 9: you see like a fucus to be as well, where
Speaker 9: you've pulled the snake apart and you like flipped the
Speaker 9: egg essentially, kind of thing.
Speaker 2: I love that. I have to comment on this real quick.
Speaker 10: Yeah, So my understanding of a fucus on an esoteric
Speaker 10: level is that it's actually completely northern and polar, and
Speaker 10: it's almost like a symbolic escape from the zodiac, from
Speaker 10: the solar zodiac right right, And so I've heard it
Speaker 10: be referred to as like literally an exit from the
Speaker 10: zodiac or a bend in a river, something along these lines.
Speaker 10: And when you look at the ecliptic and the constellations
Speaker 10: along the path of the sun, a Fucus is clearly
Speaker 10: more northern than the other constellations, and I think it's
Speaker 10: interesting that a Fucus is also ruled by Mercury, and
Speaker 10: Mercury has so much polar phallic pillar symbolism it's completely nuts.
Speaker 10: And so I feel like Mercury actually is like a
Speaker 10: good gateway into some polar symbolism. Or if you start
Speaker 10: looking into this, stuff is going to come to mind
Speaker 10: over and over and over and over for various reasons.
Speaker 10: And just to just expand on that briefly, I've heard that,
Speaker 10: or at least what I put forward is that with
Speaker 10: Mercury there's lunar, solar and polar symbolism completely baked into
Speaker 10: the story of mercury. In my opinion from what I
Speaker 10: can gather, that there's this triune sort of dynamic with mercury.
Speaker 10: But yeah, O Fucus, I see this as kind of
Speaker 10: like what you're saying, I kind of interpret it as
Speaker 10: like following your true north, following your true authenticity, getting
Speaker 10: to your center.
Speaker 8: Well, also, when you look at the Zadaika wheel as
Speaker 8: far as cancer being that northernmost point, the Freemasons consider
Speaker 8: the keystone to be answer and within Judaism, the keystone
Speaker 8: is considered to be peace or shalom.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that was something I was going to mention too, right,
Speaker 10: and so Royal arch Freemasonry. That's one of the best
Speaker 10: videos I put together in my opinion, very short, very brief,
Speaker 10: but I talk about this whole entire dynamic. Yea, the
Speaker 10: keystone northern sort of thing. And then just real quick too,
Speaker 10: you brought up the tower to me. The tower card
Speaker 10: is really modeled off of the Tower of Babble, and
Speaker 10: oftentimes it's said that there was seven steps to the tower, right,
Speaker 10: and so it seems like with alchemy and with this
Speaker 10: transcendental sort of dynamic of going to the northern sort
Speaker 10: of opening, that the seven is always included in so
Speaker 10: many different ways seven steps or seven veils. I know,
Speaker 10: it's even been said like an Islam there's like I
Speaker 10: think it's seventy thousand vales between you and the face
Speaker 10: of God.
Speaker 2: That's like one way they put it.
Speaker 10: But anyways, continue dude, I'm appreciating what you're putting out there.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and that's even why I like arrange the wheel
Speaker 9: in that order too, is like the Masonic arch and
Speaker 9: like kind of reference to that's why, Like I set
Speaker 9: it up that way and it's clockwise, just like easy
Speaker 9: to understand the two lines at the top there. It
Speaker 9: had as the walls, the summer wall, and that just
Speaker 9: adds to the egg and the egg go because it's
Speaker 9: humpty dumpty. You sit on the wall, you go, you
Speaker 9: have a great fall falls awesome, but it's like kind
Speaker 9: of the little riddle of it, but you and then
Speaker 9: it takes all the kings horses Sagittarius and all the
Speaker 9: king's men Aquarius to put humpty dumpy back together again.
Speaker 9: So it's that dark process at the end there. So
Speaker 9: that's like the summer wall that just fits with the
Speaker 9: portal or the polar and all that stuff.
Speaker 10: Also, cancer takes place for the most part during the
Speaker 10: seventh month.
Speaker 2: Of the year, which is yeah.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah. And then P would be
Speaker 9: uh sixteen like one plus six the sixteenth letter P,
Speaker 9: so that adds to the seven.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 9: But if you've if you worked on your ego and
Speaker 9: you process it, you don't you become one, like you
Speaker 9: become the one or you like pass the test and
Speaker 9: you're not like, don't think you're like the coolest for
Speaker 9: passing the test and you don't like get in your
Speaker 9: ego or whatever. Then you become the UV, the UV light,
Speaker 9: and then you would figure out what that light is.
Speaker 9: It's like you'd get your glow. You would be the
Speaker 9: one with that glow, and then it's like short or
Speaker 9: long story short, it's just like after that, it's the
Speaker 9: WU get the win.
Speaker 2: At X, it's.
Speaker 9: Another cross similar to the T, but it's where you
Speaker 9: learn how to swing the axe. It's the axis. It's
Speaker 9: where you learn the exit. It's the same with like
Speaker 9: Jack and the beanstock. With the swing of the axe,
Speaker 9: he defeats the giant.
Speaker 2: So it's like it's like the.
Speaker 9: W's like you think you win, and then the boss
Speaker 9: comes back one more time and that's like the X
Speaker 9: and it's like the final thing and then the Y
Speaker 9: you learn why you went through all that and then
Speaker 9: when you go through this process the very end, the
Speaker 9: Z is much like the omega where you just see
Speaker 9: the beauty. Like for me, when I like understood this,
Speaker 9: it was like I could see like the quantum strings
Speaker 9: of the universe like orchestrating together kind of thing like
Speaker 9: in like like peaceful like nature's meditation, but kind of thing.
Speaker 9: But it's like you just saw it, like really saw
Speaker 9: the beauty, and so that's just like the process of that.
Speaker 2: And then it's like ps so it's like the polar
Speaker 2: solar kind of thing.
Speaker 9: So like that's the little secret or it's like the
Speaker 9: little extra thing at the end, right, I like PostScript
Speaker 9: another one on that in the phallic I think I
Speaker 9: wrote it the right way is like if you have
Speaker 9: your north south and your east west and you labeled
Speaker 9: it uh P, you get p NS right, which would
Speaker 9: be phallic, and then the other way you get.
Speaker 8: So and with the cross in there you almost get
Speaker 8: the eye.
Speaker 9: And if you were sewing, like it's like that's that
Speaker 9: would be your solar. So it's like the sun the
Speaker 9: day you like need to rely on the sun for
Speaker 9: your crops and you're sewing and you're and that kind.
Speaker 4: Of thing as well as stitching. It's since Egyptian times
Speaker 4: sowing the seed is you know, not only farming and
Speaker 4: also sexual, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: You are, TJ.
Speaker 2: That was it? Just short line, dude, I was fascinating.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say that the egg is of course,
Speaker 4: maybe you mentioned this is symbolic of a point, right,
Speaker 4: It's it's the beginning beginning point of a of a
Speaker 4: of a life being right.
Speaker 2: Right right, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 8: And it's the circumpunct as well, for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 10: There's even like a symbolic pole in the egg as well,
Speaker 10: so there's like symbolic polarity in there, so the positive
Speaker 10: in the negative end or something. I think this is
Speaker 10: why some hero twins like Romulus and Remus, they're said
Speaker 10: to be born from like a cosmic egg sort of thing,
Speaker 10: even though they present these this opposing sort of force
Speaker 10: or whatever.
Speaker 8: Well and is it was what was the goddess Ishtaradhanna
Speaker 8: that they rolled the egg up out of the river
Speaker 8: and took care of it, and then in her star
Speaker 8: is the seven pointed star. Back to the polar symbols, you.
Speaker 10: Know, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely yeah. You know, one of
Speaker 10: the things you mentioned in there too, I just wanted
Speaker 10: to bring to light is that there, you know, there's
Speaker 10: a number of ways to kind of break down your correspondences,
Speaker 10: and in one of the ways that I've come to
Speaker 10: appreciate lately, because I think there's a lot that makes
Speaker 10: sense with it, is that what reneguent On says is
Speaker 10: that traditionally, solar peoples have their New Year in at
Speaker 10: the spring equinox, right, and so this is what astrology
Speaker 10: acknowledges Western astrology, I guess. And then he said that
Speaker 10: polar peoples, which I think this is really interesting, acknowledge
Speaker 10: their new year around the winter solstice. And I'm like,
Speaker 10: that's really interesting because that's right around where modern Western
Speaker 10: people celebrate the new year. And then I'm like, wait
Speaker 10: a second, I'm like, this actually makes a ton of
Speaker 10: sense because I see a lot of polar symbolism with Saturn,
Speaker 10: and like I was saying earlier, the Golden Age has
Speaker 10: a huge correspondence with all of this stuff, and it's
Speaker 10: been often said that Saturn ruled the last Golden Age.
Speaker 10: And I also put out a presentation that basically alludes
Speaker 10: to the idea that Saturn was once feminine and that
Speaker 10: there was sort of a fall from grace over time
Speaker 10: and that now we look at Saturn as like this old.
Speaker 2: Man and whatnot.
Speaker 10: But there's a lot of sort of symbolism that suggests
Speaker 10: that maybe it was more feminine in nature, perhaps even
Speaker 10: a krone chron chronos, right, And so there's a big
Speaker 10: northern sort of thing with that. And he also says
Speaker 10: to that midnight, as I mentioned, earlier, the midnight sun
Speaker 10: that midnight correspond with the north as well, and I'm like, well, goddamn,
Speaker 10: that makes a lot of sense too. When you look
Speaker 10: at a compass, north is right up top. It corresponds
Speaker 10: right there with the twelve of midnight, right. And then
Speaker 10: also the sort of celebration that surrounds midnight is New
Speaker 10: Year's right, And this is all happening during Capricorn, which
Speaker 10: is actually ruled by Saturn. And then we have this
Speaker 10: other little holiday called Christmas, and Santa comes from where
Speaker 10: he comes from the North Pole. So between Christmas and
Speaker 10: then New Year's and then its relationship with Capricorn and Saturn,
Speaker 10: there's a ton of polar northern symbolism going on.
Speaker 8: And also on New Year's when they celebrate the New Year,
Speaker 8: you traditionally have all around the world the pole that
Speaker 8: they drop the ball down the pole.
Speaker 10: That's it, Yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah, So something to consider.
Speaker 5: Something I did want to bring up before we start
Speaker 5: to wrap this up. I did want to mention it earlier,
Speaker 5: but there's just too many things we end up going
Speaker 5: on to the next topic. And yeah, I'm not going
Speaker 5: to say it's you know, obviously, I do think there's
Speaker 5: many different meanings to lots of symbols and you know,
Speaker 5: ideas and stuff. So I'm not saying this is the
Speaker 5: only thing, but you know, there was a lot of
Speaker 5: a lot of stuff that you were showing or even explaining,
Speaker 5: like especially in this picture did remind me of like
Speaker 5: a lot of things that I've seen in some of
Speaker 5: my experiences that I talk about. A lot of it
Speaker 5: actually was mentioned in this episode. And you know, I've
Speaker 5: said before that like when it starts to get very
Speaker 5: dark and it starts to look like like oil spilling
Speaker 5: up from the ground, it looks a lot like that
Speaker 5: thing behind the star. And then and then when I
Speaker 5: see that, well for one, you know again, even when
Speaker 5: that happens, it starts to look like black goo or
Speaker 5: something moving, and that made me think of like Saturn
Speaker 5: because of black And then Robbie mentioned before Aquarius that
Speaker 5: is water, you know, so it does kind of look
Speaker 5: like whatever, black water, but it moves. But it does
Speaker 5: start to come out like that, and it always starts
Speaker 5: off with this burning little dot that looks like a
Speaker 5: blazing blazing star. Will use some ot yoga language.
Speaker 9: There, and that blazing star between Capricorn and Aquarius as well,
Speaker 9: so Capricorn grew by Saturn and Aquarius.
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, but so well you I'll have that
Speaker 5: and then at some point, you know, when things start
Speaker 5: to turn. I always mentioned that it does look like
Speaker 5: a swastika at some point, and then eventually it will
Speaker 5: look like that even that top picture you showed earlier,
Speaker 5: where I mean it will look like to that extent
Speaker 5: at some point with just the eclipse in the middle
Speaker 5: and all that looks like it's spinning, right.
Speaker 1: You know, and.
Speaker 5: You know you talk about like, you know, polarization and
Speaker 5: the even even that image before that five pointed star
Speaker 5: to me that looked very much like the black circle
Speaker 5: in front of the white sphere, just broken into five pieces. Mhmm,
Speaker 5: you know that that exact symbol. There was something else
Speaker 5: I saw it too, and and things that I mentioned. Yeah, uh,
Speaker 5: you all even start to get like rainbows, you know,
Speaker 5: spinning out of the out of the spiral as well.
Speaker 5: I don't know if somebody mentioned for some reason I
Speaker 5: thought about that earlier. I can't remember why, but yeah,
Speaker 5: like this definitely looks like you know, that could be one,
Speaker 5: two or three, you know, five pieces of stone or
Speaker 5: something in front of something. But uh yeah, a lot
Speaker 5: of the things that you were talking about just in
Speaker 5: my opinion and from my experiences, you know, even talking
Speaker 5: about like polarity and a difference of uh you know, change,
Speaker 5: you know, when I talk about the experience. You know, again, unfortunately,
Speaker 5: this isn't anything that I can refer back to a
Speaker 5: show receipts. These are just my you know, my visions
Speaker 5: and my my feelings. But you know, even at some
Speaker 5: point it feels like something snaps, something changes, and it
Speaker 5: swings back at me. I know I've mentioned that to you,
Speaker 5: like a pendulum flying back at me. You know, even
Speaker 5: in that it feels like something changes and that the
Speaker 5: black sphere pulls away from the white one at that point.
Speaker 5: So you know, you're talking about two sons. Is that
Speaker 5: really the black son and then there is the other
Speaker 5: one something else?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of things that that were mentioned in
Speaker 5: this episode tonight that just kept making me think about.
Speaker 5: You know, the vision that I saw is just an
Speaker 5: artistic way of talking about some of the things you
Speaker 5: said here.
Speaker 10: Right Well, thanks for sharing, dude, And I know you're
Speaker 10: all about eyeball symbolism, you know, and just that pupil
Speaker 10: right there in the middle, and the sort of concentric
Speaker 10: ring nature of the eye. You know, you have that
Speaker 10: sacred center right that, that inner sanctum, which is the
Speaker 10: most like potent part of the whole entire system. That's
Speaker 10: what you're gonna find is, symbolically any system, the heart
Speaker 10: or center of the system is like the most important
Speaker 10: part of that system. And when you actually start following
Speaker 10: what I refer to as like polar wisdom, it's actually
Speaker 10: a lot a lot of it has to do with
Speaker 10: the heart and heart based symbolism and following matters relating
Speaker 10: to the heart, because your heart really is like one
Speaker 10: of the main symbolic centers in your body.
Speaker 2: And so that guy W. H. Mueller, who wrote the book.
Speaker 10: Polaria, he really harps on that that polar wisdom. Basically
Speaker 10: it leads you to the heart and to heart centeredness,
Speaker 10: which I think makes just a great deal of sense.
Speaker 10: And you know, even when people are like talking about
Speaker 10: looking for the Philosopher's stone and looking for the holy Grail,
Speaker 10: I think it's looking for your center. Really, I think
Speaker 10: it's getting to your inner sanctum. I think that's what
Speaker 10: it's mostly really all about. I think there are correspondences
Speaker 10: in the external world, maybe the center of Earth or whatever,
Speaker 10: but I think it has to do with that sort
Speaker 10: of inner journey.
Speaker 8: Basically in the heart you have the diet, you know,
Speaker 8: diametric difference between the mind and the heart. The mind
Speaker 8: is generally symbolized as masculine, whereas the heart is symbolized
Speaker 8: as feminine. So this brings us back to this divine
Speaker 8: feminine energy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: Oh real quick.
Speaker 5: The reason why I even brought up the rainbow before
Speaker 5: about the spinning colors is because of bringing up the
Speaker 5: maypole and the barber pole. Said, if I've even mentioned
Speaker 5: that recently on some shows, that if it's like when
Speaker 5: I try to explain that spiral of colors, I said,
Speaker 5: it reminds me of as if I was like looking
Speaker 5: under a maypole and watching all that stuff spiral as
Speaker 5: they wrap around it.
Speaker 1: It looks very much like that. It makes sense.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but uh yeah, thank you very much. Uh Mario,
Speaker 5: that was an onesome presentation. Oh hell, let's woke back
Speaker 5: up everyone, There we go, He's back.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to, like, you know, wrap it up
Speaker 1: and the guys sitting this snor there. He is he's back.
Speaker 5: Oh but yeah, Mario, thank you very much for bringing
Speaker 5: your presentation. That was a lot of stuff that was Yeah,
Speaker 5: that was an amazing, amazing chat. TJ, thank you for
Speaker 5: bringing yours as well.
Speaker 10: I'll just say if people want like a more sort
Speaker 10: of like I don't know if it's more comprehensive, but
Speaker 10: it's definitely like more of a structured sort of breakdown.
Speaker 10: I did the shows that I get really jazzed for, like, uh,
Speaker 10: like podcasts and stuff that I do and I've never
Speaker 10: been on before. I have to talk about polar symbolism.
Speaker 10: I have to talk about the North Star. So I
Speaker 10: did a show with higher side chats like a handful
Speaker 10: of months ago, and that's what I brought to the
Speaker 10: table was all this stuff and the same thing with
Speaker 10: my Crow interview. So if people want to hear me
Speaker 10: talk about this and it's a little bit more structured
Speaker 10: or whatever, they can check out those episodes.
Speaker 1: Awesome.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much, man, Thank you very much, and
Speaker 5: TJ again, thank you very much for bringing your sides.
Speaker 1: Always appreciate it.
Speaker 5: So we'll go around in room again and we'll let
Speaker 5: everybody plug that stuff real quick. Teresa, let everybody know
Speaker 5: where they can find your work.
Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you, Mario. I just want to say real
Speaker 7: quick that the whole Pollstar polaris phenomenon of the constellations
Speaker 7: rotating round. It was what like was the moment for
Speaker 7: me when I realized, like the globe is not like
Speaker 7: a thing or at least how we're taught. So that
Speaker 7: was like a real like aha moment for me. So
Speaker 7: I'm so glad you like brought that up in the beginning.
Speaker 7: But anyways, Uh, yeah, people can find me on Spiritual
Speaker 7: Gangsters Podcast in X and Instagram at tes Gangsters Pod.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Thank you very much, Robbie March.
Speaker 8: Yeah, if anybody wants to check out my other stuff,
Speaker 8: from my art to my podcast or any of my
Speaker 8: social media, you can just go to my link tree
Speaker 8: which is link tree r M A r X R
Speaker 8: Marx and that'll bring up everything.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you so much, Maria.
Speaker 4: That was so inspirational and interesting and everyone, thank you
Speaker 4: so much for great ideas. And uh, I'm on all
Speaker 4: the usual social media and appreciate anyone reaching out always, so.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for coming on. I always appreciate you, sir.
Speaker 1: Thank you headless. Let everybody know where they can find
Speaker 1: you at. Please, sir, you.
Speaker 6: Can find me on YouTube. Just look up the Headless Giant.
Speaker 6: If you have any stories that you would like to
Speaker 6: throw at me and put in the Mystical mail Bag,
Speaker 6: go ahead and send the email to Headless Giant podcast
Speaker 6: at gmail dot com. So thank you for having me on.
Speaker 5: Of course, definitely send that man some emails to the
Speaker 5: Mystical mail Bag.
Speaker 1: And TJ TJ. Let everybody know where they can find
Speaker 1: you at.
Speaker 9: Please uh at contemporary problems and sometimes a contemporary problems
Speaker 9: with the underscore, and you will find me on all
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Speaker 1: Awesome. And if people are still listening Mario, where can
Speaker 1: they find you at?
Speaker 2: Sir, Symbolic Studies dot com.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 10: You know one last thing I just want to say.
Speaker 10: It's so interesting the relevance of the pole Star Elon
Speaker 10: Musk's like new division of SpaceX or new sort of
Speaker 10: like thing with it is called Polaris Dawn. That's one
Speaker 10: thing to know that's interesting. And then Trump is doing
Speaker 10: this ai sort of initiative that he's calling Stargate, right.
Speaker 10: That's the thing is like this is the original Stargate,
Speaker 10: this is the original sort of opening to another dimension
Speaker 10: or whatever. And then even like I think it's the
Speaker 10: Space Force logo, it's like very clearly the pole Star,
Speaker 10: you know. And so there's a ton of examples of
Speaker 10: this out there. Maybe we can talk about it at
Speaker 10: some point or whatever, but it is a relevant topic
Speaker 10: unbeknownst to most people.
Speaker 2: But anyways, thanks for having me man, this was really fun.
Speaker 5: Oh of course, of course, thank you, And yeah, everybody's
Speaker 5: links are in the bottom. And again, I know it
Speaker 5: was tough for me to try to explain it because
Speaker 5: there was so many things I had already forgot. But
Speaker 5: if people have listened to my experience before and then
Speaker 5: I guess have listened to this episode, maybe try to
Speaker 5: at what I was saying with some of the symbolism.
Speaker 5: I do think some of it might match some of
Speaker 5: the stuff I was showing on the screen. And thank
Speaker 5: you all again, And that is the end of another
Speaker 5: Recult Rejects And until the next one, everybody be well later.