WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:05.040 You see something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What What's going to happen? 3 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:12.880 I think. 4 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:17.160 What a. 5 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:28.760 Welcome to the occult rejects. In this episode, we got 6 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:31.519 a bunch of us on today to talk about whole 7 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:35.719 Star and the uh I guess the guest of honor. 8 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:39.439 We got Mario from Symbolic Studies. Luckily, this is one 9 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:41.240 of his favorite topics that he was telling us, so 10 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:42.799 I didn't have to annoy him. 11 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:44.159 Covering this topic with us. 12 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:47.039 But before we get to him, I would like to 13 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:49.119 have even though it's a bunch of us here, I'll 14 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:52.719 give everybody a chance to plug their stuff and we'll 15 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:54.560 just go and order and how it is on the screen. 16 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:57.520 We'll start off with the Headless Giant first. Please go ahead, sir. 17 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:00.679 I'm the Headless Giant. You can find me up on YouTube. 18 00:01:01.399 --> 00:01:08.519 If you want to give me your cult, magical paranormal stories, 19 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:11.319 you can message. You can send me an email at 20 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:14.840 Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot com. I already got 21 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:18.799 a couple for next week's Mystical mail Bag, so just 22 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:20.719 send those in awesome. 23 00:01:20.760 --> 00:01:22.159 Yes, if you didn't bring that up, I was going 24 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:24.159 to bring that up, So please listeners, if you got 25 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:26.920 anything interesting, please send it to my man over there. 26 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:28.159 Thank you very much. 27 00:01:28.159 --> 00:01:30.640 Head listen, check out his stuff and his links will 28 00:01:30.640 --> 00:01:31.159 be in the bottom. 29 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:34.239 Teresa, what is up? Let everybody know what your deal is? Please? 30 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:38.000 Yeah, so thanks for having me. Check out the Spiritual 31 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:42.280 Gangsters podcast. And also I make fun handmade stuff, so 32 00:01:42.480 --> 00:01:45.439 if people want to check out my SI shop, I 33 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:47.599 have two ones called Loyal to the Foil and one 34 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:49.599 is called pat Remy for kids stuff. 35 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:50.560 So yeah, check it out. 36 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:51.959 Listen. 37 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:56.239 Thank you very much, Teresa and Ethan Indigo Man, thank 38 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:57.480 you very much for joining us. 39 00:01:58.640 --> 00:02:00.640 Honored to be here with you guys. This is a 40 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:06.879 great topic. I'm on all the social media and I'm 41 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:12.919 my writer obsessively. Some might say, so yeah, stuck to 42 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:13.319 be here. 43 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:16.560 I'm glad you're here as well, so I always appreciate 44 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:17.599 your point of view on things. 45 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:21.240 And TJ the Numbers Guy, what is up? Buddy? 46 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:21.520 Yo? 47 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:22.039 What's up? 48 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:22.520 What's up? 49 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:26.879 You can find me at Contemporary Problems Underscore. You search it, 50 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:29.000 you will find me. I'm on social media and all 51 00:02:29.080 --> 00:02:29.759 those things. 52 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:32.479 Definitely go check out his instagram. He's got some fire 53 00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:36.520 memes and posts, and we got Robbie Marx the og 54 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:37.800 in the house. What's going on? 55 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:39.879 So let everybody know where they can find your amazing 56 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:40.800 art and your stuff. 57 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:44.120 Yeah, thanks for having me on. It's always a great 58 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:47.439 time to sit down with you know, this this circle. 59 00:02:48.479 --> 00:02:51.520 As far as my stuff, I'm an artist, I also 60 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:56.159 have a podcast and I'm currently writing a book. But 61 00:02:56.199 --> 00:02:57.680 if you want to check out all my stuff, you 62 00:02:57.719 --> 00:02:59.960 can go to my link tree, which is linked tree 63 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:03.039 r m A r x R marks and then I'll 64 00:03:03.080 --> 00:03:05.520 pull up all of my goods. 65 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:06.719 Yeah, definitely go. 66 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:08.719 You know, Robbie, I'm gonna be honest, I didn't realize 67 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:12.039 how many shows you have on your podcast now. Yeah, 68 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:13.719 I was like, Yo, this kind of looks like a 69 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:16.039 regular like you would almost think it's a regular podcast, 70 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:18.000 not that it's not, but you know what I'm saying that, 71 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:20.240 like those are old guest appearances. 72 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:22.599 Yeah. 73 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:25.000 Yeah, it's like, Yo, that's a lot. Holy crap. Good 74 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:26.319 for Robbie. Good for you. 75 00:03:26.599 --> 00:03:28.319 That's the meta aspect of it. 76 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:29.520 Yeah, that is crazy. 77 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:31.759 The guy has his own podcast just from being a 78 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:33.520 guest on other people's shows. I mean, who's got it 79 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:38.280 better than him? I don't even have to record my 80 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:38.840 old stuff. 81 00:03:40.639 --> 00:03:41.039 Good for you. 82 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:43.080 So yeah, definitely go check out Robbie books and stuff 83 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:47.479 if everybody listening. And finally to the man himself, Mario 84 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:50.759 from Symbolic Studies. Please Mario, for all the newbies and 85 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:53.439 people who don't know who you are, just let everybody 86 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:54.120 know what's up. 87 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:57.400 Yeah, for sure, you can find all my stuff at 88 00:03:57.439 --> 00:04:01.080 Symbolic Studies dot com. I'm all over the place you too, Tube, Instagram, Twitter, 89 00:04:01.199 --> 00:04:05.919 things like that, And basically I put out content mostly 90 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:09.439 around the astrological signs during the sign itself following the 91 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:13.479 Tropical system, but I do post occasionally about other things, 92 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:17.199 including stuff related to the Polestar, the North Star. This 93 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:22.199 is easily one of my all time favorite subjects. And 94 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:26.040 I'll say that as information has sort of been revealed 95 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:29.680 to me regarding the Polestar and its nature, it's really 96 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:30.680 been a paradigm shift. 97 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:31.519 I'll just put it that way. 98 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:34.120 It's been a huge, huge paradigm shift for me, and 99 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:36.160 so I feel like I'm still going through it, and 100 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:38.879 you know, we'll be able to talk about some of 101 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:41.959 the key aspects or whatever. But it's such a game 102 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:46.040 changer to understand sort of its symbolic value that it 103 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:50.000 would take many multiple episodes to kind of get through everything, 104 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:53.279 and I have, you know, literally dozens of books on 105 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:56.279 the topic, some of them I've definitely read through. Some 106 00:04:56.439 --> 00:04:58.800 I'm still waiting to get around to and everything else. 107 00:04:58.839 --> 00:05:01.079 But we'll see what we can and talk about here. 108 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:03.680 And I think to kick things off too, I'll probably 109 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:07.399 just talk about my journey coming to sort of become 110 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:08.439 interested in the poll star. 111 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:08.959 What do you think? 112 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:12.959 So one thing I did want to ask you real quick, Mary, 113 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:15.160 I'm trying to interrupt. I was just wondering, that's putting 114 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:17.480 on the spot. How how long have you been doing this? 115 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:19.879 For doing this, you know, the soul symbolic studies. 116 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:19.879 Thing for. 117 00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:24.079 As a channel, It's been around since twenty twenty, so 118 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:27.319 it was a Scorpio season twenty twenty when I posted 119 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:31.319 my first video. But I've been collecting symbolic dictionaries and 120 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:33.680 reference books since about two thousand and eight. 121 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:35.560 I would say, I don't know why. 122 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:37.959 I just assumed you were out much longer before me, 123 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:38.279 and I. 124 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:41.399 Guess really may maybe a few months or six months. 125 00:05:41.720 --> 00:05:43.839 I don't know, No, really, yeah, I don't know why. 126 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:45.519 I just always assumed you were around for a few 127 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:46.959 years before me, because I was gonna be like, this 128 00:05:47.000 --> 00:05:48.319 guy's probably been out of for like seven to ten 129 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:49.519 years now, I've. 130 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:51.800 No so I wanted to. 131 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:56.639 I actually really wanted to talk about conspiracy, fringe, paranormal 132 00:05:56.639 --> 00:05:59.399 stuff for many, many years, and I felt like some 133 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:03.439 of the topics I wanted to talk about were actually 134 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:06.839 maybe too controversial for my blood personally, you know. I 135 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:09.319 didn't want to put myself out there talk about all 136 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:12.759 these things, and so kind of a happy compromise was 137 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:15.800 talking about symbolism, you know, and I became really interested 138 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:20.319 in symbolism just throughout those years. And finally I was like, 139 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:22.480 you know, I'm learning so much. I feel like I'm 140 00:06:22.519 --> 00:06:25.759 almost absorbing too much, but I'm not putting anything out, 141 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:27.399 and I feel like that can really be like. 142 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:28.720 An imbalance that you can have. 143 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:30.439 You can consume way too much, and if you're not 144 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:32.680 like talking about it or doing something with it, if 145 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:34.959 you're not taking sort of any action with that information, 146 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:39.800 I think that it can kind of be detrimental. So yeah, 147 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:42.079 so I decided to kick things off in twenty twenty. 148 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:45.560 But yeah, so you know, for me, the Pole Star, 149 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:49.639 it's so fascinating and it's so interesting, and it wasn't 150 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:53.279 on my radar to really look into it until about 151 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:58.040 twenty fourteen or so, twenty fifteen. And the reason why 152 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:01.240 is because I caught that first way of flat earth 153 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:04.920 information that was coming out. Whatever you might think about it, right, 154 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:08.199 I was curious about it, and I wanted to know 155 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:11.920 what people were referring to with it. And actually there 156 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:14.759 is a guy who became really well known in that community. 157 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:18.199 His name is Eric Dubay, and I was following his blog. 158 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:23.839 Before Eric Dubay had ever mentioned anything about, you know, 159 00:07:23.959 --> 00:07:25.959 flat Earth at all, and so he used to talk 160 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:28.639 about freemasonry and occultism. He would talk a lot about 161 00:07:28.639 --> 00:07:33.199 Atlantis and whatever. And he put out his first blog 162 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:37.240 post about it, and I was completely like, I didn't 163 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:40.319 know what to think. Actually, I was more like stunned, right, 164 00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:42.720 I was like, this guy's really talking about this, this 165 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:46.240 is actually a thing. I respect his other work and information, 166 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:48.639 but it kind of came out of left field for me. 167 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:52.920 And I downloaded his first book that he put out. 168 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:56.720 It was a PDF called two hundred Proofs, and it 169 00:07:56.759 --> 00:07:59.800 was about all of the anomalies that basically sort of 170 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:04.439 exist with like standard cosmology, right, what we actually live 171 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:07.319 on and everything else and So that really started my 172 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:12.319 journey with like getting into just the different content creators 173 00:08:12.319 --> 00:08:14.680 that we're putting out videos that we're at least questioning 174 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:16.800 sort of what we're living on and like what the 175 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:19.519 deal is. And that really opened me up to like 176 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:23.959 ancient cosmologies and how ancient peoples saw things and whatever, 177 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:27.360 and it's way more holistic. And at the end of 178 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:29.399 the day, my big takeaway from all of that was 179 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:32.919 that we at the very least just do not live 180 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:36.600 on what we've been taught like in school. Right, So 181 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:38.159 that's at the end of the day kind of like 182 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:40.879 for the most part, how far I'll go with everything. 183 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:42.840 There's a lot of other things we can talk about 184 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:45.960 with that, but I was pretty convinced that at the 185 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:49.639 very least, like what I was taught isn't the truth. 186 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:54.519 And when you start getting into like geocentrism and the 187 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:57.879 nature of heliocentrism, what it is to be a heliocentrist 188 00:08:57.919 --> 00:09:00.519 and be taught that the sun is the center of 189 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:04.639 all things. When you start learning about all of that stuff, 190 00:09:04.840 --> 00:09:07.600 one of the things that actually comes to like the 191 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:10.399 surface to as like a talking point something to like 192 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:15.360 look into is the fixed stars, the stellar you know, 193 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:20.840 tradition basically where in today's world, you know, most everybody, 194 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:23.240 and I put out a ton of information about astrology, right, 195 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:31.360 but today's skyclock would be the sun, the constellations around 196 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:34.679 the ecliptic right around the path of the sun, the 197 00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:38.639 wandering stars, right. And what I realized is that this 198 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:42.080 wasn't always the skyclock for people. And so you can 199 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:44.480 make the case. And certainly there are cultures that use 200 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:48.120 the moon as their central skyclock, right, they go based 201 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:52.000 on a lunar calendar, their holy days fall based on 202 00:09:52.440 --> 00:09:55.320 that cycle with the moon. But there was a skyclock 203 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:59.519 before that, and it was the fixed stars basically, and 204 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:03.200 all of the fixed stars go around a central star, 205 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:06.039 which is the pole star, which is the north star, right, 206 00:10:06.679 --> 00:10:09.320 And so the constellations that are really close to the 207 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:14.440 polestar are Ursa Major and Ursa Minor and Draco, and 208 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:18.159 these constellations were like really really important way back in 209 00:10:18.200 --> 00:10:21.360 the day, and so they've kind of been occulted or 210 00:10:21.799 --> 00:10:24.519 a lot of people just aren't aware of their significance 211 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:28.639 and value and everything else. So as I started researching, 212 00:10:29.320 --> 00:10:33.840 you know, things related to like alternative cosmologies, geocentrism versus 213 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:34.720 helio centrism. 214 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:35.320 All that. 215 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:39.639 The Polestar became kind of a topic of conversation and 216 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:41.919 it would just be brought up more because it's the 217 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:47.120 center of the heavens basically, And so that started my 218 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:50.360 sort of journey with wanting to know more about the 219 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:54.679 star itself and like everything that it represents, and so 220 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:58.840 over time I started picking up books that were related 221 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:02.159 to it. Over time, I got really interested in the 222 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:06.320 Tarot as well. And one of the sort of interesting 223 00:11:06.360 --> 00:11:08.720 things was my trip to India. I went to India, 224 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:13.200 and it was interesting to see just like you know, 225 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.799 the swastika out in the wild as an example, and 226 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:20.279 I met this young guy and without me really prompting 227 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:23.480 him in any way, he basically mentioned that his guru 228 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:27.440 teaches like a geocentric model, that he's not a heliocentrist basically, 229 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:30.279 which I thought was like fascinating because I was reading 230 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:32.600 about it at the time, and so there's a lot 231 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:37.360 of polar symbolism over in the Eastern world, and so 232 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:41.159 slowly but surely I started kind of getting like some 233 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:43.879 traction and I was starting to like understand what the 234 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:48.000 polestar represented more and more and more, and then I 235 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:53.440 realized that there were occult circles, black magical circles that 236 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:57.440 really revered the Polestar as well, and really had almost 237 00:11:57.480 --> 00:12:01.039 like a framework that integrated some of these RN constellations 238 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:04.279 and everything else. And I was really fortunate to have 239 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:07.759 a friend that owned a small bookstore in Portland, Oregon, 240 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:10.960 and she knew that I was kind of pulling at 241 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:15.200 this thread, this northern polar sort of thing, and she 242 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:19.120 would literally see books, set them aside for me and 243 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:22.120 let me borrow them and basically just let me read 244 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:24.919 them and skim through them. And she turned me on too, 245 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:29.440 like three or four really really key books that completely 246 00:12:29.519 --> 00:12:34.600 changed my trajectory with everything. I also, at the same 247 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:38.399 time was getting really interested in wanting to know about 248 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:42.679 love Craftian magic, basically basically love Craft and black magic. 249 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:45.279 And I knew that this was like definitely a thing, 250 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:49.840 and it's almost like its own sort of like scene. 251 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:53.080 Basically there's a lot of authors, there's a lot of books, 252 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:54.799 there's a lot of information. 253 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:57.799 Out there, and I was like, what is this all about? 254 00:12:57.919 --> 00:13:00.799 And because I wanted to know more about cult history, 255 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:03.480 I felt like I needed to kind of give it 256 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:06.519 my due diligence and start reading some of this material, 257 00:13:07.360 --> 00:13:11.120 and my friend Christy, she let me borrow a book 258 00:13:11.399 --> 00:13:14.399 and it's one of the Necronomicon books by this guy 259 00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:17.320 named Simon, and it's this one's called The Gates of 260 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:20.919 the Necronomicon, and what you actually see on the cover 261 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:24.600 is Ursa Major, which is one of the main constellations 262 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:27.360 that goes around the Polestar. And I read that book 263 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:30.759 and it blew my mind because basically, sort of the 264 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:33.240 claim in the book and what other authors have said, 265 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:39.159 is that Lovecraft basically kind of updated this ancient pantheon 266 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:43.600 for modern sensibilities pretty much, and that he was encoding 267 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:48.960 information that had to do with like sort of the 268 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:53.639 spiritual and metaphysical framework of these ancient peoples that held 269 00:13:53.840 --> 00:13:57.480 the Polestar in really high reverence. And so this early 270 00:13:57.519 --> 00:14:00.320 tradition is called the Primorial tradition. I think he can 271 00:14:00.360 --> 00:14:04.159 refer to it as the Primordial tradition, the Northern tradition, 272 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:10.399 the Polar tradition. There's a lot of overlap with Typhonianism, 273 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:13.639 the Typhonian tradition, there's a whole northern correspondence with that. 274 00:14:14.399 --> 00:14:19.120 And so what Lovecraft did seemingly is that he basically 275 00:14:19.159 --> 00:14:23.240 took this old tradition and he updated it right in 276 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:26.519 a way that like modern people would be interested in, right, 277 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:29.480 and so he did that through this cosmic horror sort 278 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:33.639 of motif. And so everything that that book is about 279 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:38.000 Gates of the Necronomicon talks about how he was encoding 280 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:42.200 sort of Northern symbolism into his work. 281 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:45.519 And so that really was a huge sort. 282 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:48.200 Of game changer for me and just like my understanding 283 00:14:48.240 --> 00:14:50.320 of things, because in that book they also talk about 284 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:54.120 the polestar in ancient Egypt, what it represented in ancient Egypt. 285 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:57.240 They talked about ursa major being like the thigh of 286 00:14:57.320 --> 00:14:59.919 the bull or the thigh set in ancient Egypt, how 287 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.399 it was used in these different rituals like the opening 288 00:15:03.399 --> 00:15:06.200 of the mouth ritual, and so gave me this whole 289 00:15:06.279 --> 00:15:08.519 new expansive way of looking at the polestar. 290 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:12.279 Funny enough, the cat's out of the bag. 291 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:16.799 But the guy who wrote it is Peter Lavenda, and 292 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:21.279 he was using this alias of Simon, and Peter Lavenda 293 00:15:21.559 --> 00:15:25.600 would later write books that basically covered other aspects of 294 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:28.840 polestar symbolism pretty much, and so he wrote this book 295 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:32.639 called The Dark Lord, which gets really into that along 296 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:36.080 with more love crafting information. And he also wrote a 297 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:39.240 book called Stairway to Heaven where he really really I 298 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:41.240 think that's one of the best sort of intro books 299 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:45.519 if people want sort of like a good read that's 300 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:47.879 like an easy read that talks about a lot of 301 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:51.039 this stuff, and he basically talks about all of these 302 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:54.480 different cultures and like kind of like secret societies and 303 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:58.000 religions and stuff around the world. That basically considered the 304 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:00.759 Polestar to be like the gateway to like another plane 305 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:02.960 pretty much. And that's one of the things that you'll 306 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:05.559 find out when you look into it is that because 307 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:10.639 it represents the center of the heavens, it's basically taken 308 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:14.080 on the symbolism of like a door or like a 309 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:17.360 portal or something along these lines. And the way I 310 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:21.360 put it is that I had. 311 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:24.159 A quick question about Peter Lavenda though. So his other 312 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:28.879 books was about esoteric hitlersm and Nazi ecultism. 313 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:32.919 Ye, yeah, sinister forces too, And I. 314 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:34.440 Was gonna say sinister forces as well. 315 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:39.200 Yeah, right, So I mean, you've got the swastika in there, 316 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:41.759 and then he goes over and sort of covers the 317 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:44.759 other side of it. I guess. I mean there's there's 318 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:46.960 some sort of a crossover there because you've got the 319 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:50.720 Nazi symbolism in the in the Artha Major going around 320 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:52.279 the Pole Star. 321 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:55.759 So oh, absolutely, well, this is what you'll basically find 322 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:58.360 out in my opinion. And I was excited to do 323 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:01.080 this show, by the way, because this is the Occult Rejects, 324 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:03.559 and I have so much information about the occult side 325 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:06.240 of polar symbolism in the North Star that I don't 326 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:09.359 really cover on other shows because it's just I don't 327 00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:13.160 feel like it's like that appropriate. What you'll find out, 328 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:16.960 in my opinion is that the true left hand path, 329 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:21.000 in my opinion, is actually polar in nature. And so 330 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:23.519 once you understand that, it makes a lot of sense. 331 00:17:24.039 --> 00:17:28.039 People like to think that the sort of dualistic sort 332 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:30.920 of thing is solar and lunar and that that's kind 333 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:32.519 of just how it is. There is something to be 334 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:36.119 said about that there is this contrast between solar and lunar, 335 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:40.359 But what predates all of this is actually polar polar 336 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:43.599 in nature, right, And so I'm inclined to think that 337 00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:46.839 guys like a Knot, we're well aware of polar symbolism 338 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:50.640 and sort of all of its implications. Peter Lavenda is 339 00:17:50.720 --> 00:17:54.599 pretty well networked with people, and he's in that world, 340 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:59.000 the black magical occult world, right. And so what I'm 341 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:03.240 finding out is that the left hand path completely overlaps 342 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:07.240 with polar symbolism in a lot of different ways, because 343 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:09.759 there's a lot of symbolism associated with the northern sky 344 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:14.039 and the pole Star that corresponds basically with the Dark 345 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:17.279 Mother and a lot of dark Mother symbolism. And I 346 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:20.400 also think it's interesting too that when you look into 347 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:25.200 circumambulation rituals, which is like you walking around a central 348 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:28.000 totem or something like in Mecca, right, that's like my 349 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:32.559 classic example. If you have your totem on the left 350 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:37.400 hand side, that is a polar rotation, and that's actually 351 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:40.720 more contractive. It actually reminds me a lot of Saturnian symbolism. 352 00:18:40.839 --> 00:18:43.039 And I know you brought up saturn earlier. We'd love 353 00:18:43.079 --> 00:18:46.000 to hear your thoughts about all of this. And if 354 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:49.359 you go clockwise, that's more of a solar rotation, and 355 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:52.559 that's actually more expansive. So it's interesting to think that 356 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:56.480 if there's a left hand path correspondence with polar symbolism, 357 00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:58.880 it kind of lines up even with just the rotation 358 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:02.519 of going around that central point of pivot right. And 359 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:05.279 this relates to to the dynamic of the pole star. 360 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:08.920 It's called the polestar because it's like a symbolic axis 361 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:09.519 or axle. 362 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:11.119 Right, So if it's. 363 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:13.839 The wheel of heaven, the hub of the wheel would 364 00:19:13.880 --> 00:19:19.240 be the polestar the north star. And basically my understanding, 365 00:19:19.279 --> 00:19:21.880 the way I put it is that there are realms 366 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:26.279 above and below and they're all connected through their center. 367 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:29.000 And so I think that the chakra system is a 368 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:31.400 really good sort of interface for this. Right, I'm sure 369 00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:35.480 I've mentioned it here before, but you have seven chakras. Symbolically, 370 00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:37.960 they're all connected through that central axle, which would be 371 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:40.960 your spine, right, And so this is how it works 372 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:43.599 in your body. But this is also how it works 373 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:47.400 on a larger grander scale. So that means that the 374 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:51.480 polestar is along the lines of that axis. And this 375 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:54.680 axis is also referred to as the world axis or 376 00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:59.480 the axis Moondi, and that basically is like probably the 377 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:03.799 most important thing about polestar symbolism is just look into 378 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:06.160 the world access for axis Mundy, because it's a complete 379 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:09.759 game changer. So I see that the polestar is kind 380 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:13.920 of like a keystone symbolically as well, because it exists 381 00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:16.960 at the top of the firmament, right, and so that arch, 382 00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:20.920 the royal arch right, is almost symbolic of that firmament, 383 00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:23.519 the dome of heaven, and the keystone would be right 384 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:27.359 there in the middle. And there's over keystone symbolism that 385 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:30.119 relates to the polestar r you know, and everything else. 386 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:35.119 And so my understanding is that ancient peoples had a 387 00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:40.599 reverence for the polestar and the northern stars, and they 388 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:44.200 had more of a local understanding of everything, and so 389 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:47.880 everything was much closer to home, and so sort of 390 00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:51.000 as they had this reverence for the center of heaven, 391 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:53.680 they also had a reverence and an understanding of the 392 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:56.559 center of self and sort of like that whole entire dynamic. 393 00:20:57.160 --> 00:20:59.599 And what I like to say too, is that you know, 394 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:03.559 there's a sort of golden thread that exists between the 395 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:06.200 center of self and the center of the cosmos. So 396 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:09.559 know thyself and know the universe, right, And so there's 397 00:21:09.599 --> 00:21:13.920 a relationship symbolically between the middle of a wheel, the 398 00:21:13.960 --> 00:21:16.640 middle of the heavens, the middle of earth, and the 399 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:21.000 center of self. They actually symbolically are all completely related, 400 00:21:21.400 --> 00:21:24.200 and so you want to get to that center point within. Right, 401 00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:28.400 We've talked about some of this stuff as well, but 402 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:32.160 you know, that was a whole rabbit hole going down 403 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:35.039 the love crafty and black magical sort of tradition, and 404 00:21:35.119 --> 00:21:39.799 like how it relates to the North Star and also 405 00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:41.759 to World War Two. I don't know if I've said 406 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:44.880 it on Occult Rejects before, but there's so much polar 407 00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:48.599 symbolism with World War Two and World War One. It's absolutely, 408 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:53.839 like completely off the charts. So as an example, you know, 409 00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:57.680 pole Land was invaded, right, and so I just think 410 00:21:57.680 --> 00:21:59.160 that's kind of an interesting sort of thing. 411 00:21:59.279 --> 00:21:59.880 Pole Land. 412 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:03.400 You mentioned the swastika. The swastika is or some major 413 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:08.799 going around the Pole Star. Right, it's the Allies versus 414 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:09.720 the Axis. 415 00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:10.279 Right. 416 00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:14.359 You will only hear the word axis as it's associated 417 00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:14.920 with evil. 418 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:16.880 So now Iran is the new. 419 00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:20.400 Axis of evil basically, right, And so I'm inclined to 420 00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:25.519 think basically that some of what was happening there literally 421 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:30.480 had to do with sort of smearing polar symbolism. Basically, 422 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:33.000 seeing that people don't talk about any of this stuff 423 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:36.640 because it's so powerful. I've even read authors who've suggested 424 00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:41.119 that the great occult war is between polar and solar forces. 425 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:43.839 But that's basically the thing that they are completely at 426 00:22:43.839 --> 00:22:46.279 odds with each other, and there's a lot of things 427 00:22:46.279 --> 00:22:48.599 to say about that, like that's a whole sort of 428 00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:53.039 weave or rabbit hole as well, for sure. And so 429 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:55.799 over time, you know, I started understanding more and more 430 00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:58.559 about like what was going on up there and how 431 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:02.400 significant and important it is. That I really just made 432 00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:06.839 it a focus, and so I started collecting books. Any 433 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:11.279 book that talked about the North Star, URSA major, ursa 434 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:14.960 minor I was interested in. Eventually, what I found out 435 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:18.559 is that there was a great shift symbolically from polar 436 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:22.680 symbolism to solar symbolism, and that there were polar deities 437 00:23:23.079 --> 00:23:26.559 back in the day that later became solar deities. So 438 00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:29.640 I think that we live in a solarized world that 439 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:36.319 was built upon this polar tradition basically. And my sort 440 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:41.000 of research these days has led me to basically kind 441 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:43.079 of a camp of philosophy where you're going to hear 442 00:23:43.160 --> 00:23:47.799 more people talk about this stuff. And it's called perennialism, 443 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:51.519 and so Renee went on is often kind of considered like, 444 00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:54.960 you know, one of the key figures in this tradition, 445 00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:59.400 and he really is probably the best author to read, 446 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:03.119 the clearest author that talks about sort of the implications 447 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:06.519 of like the polar dynamic, this polar to solar shift. 448 00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:09.519 And what I really appreciate about him is that he 449 00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:13.839 talks about the metaphysics and the difference between living in 450 00:24:13.920 --> 00:24:17.880 this primordial sort of tradition and living in modern times basically, 451 00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:22.200 which is basically to say, you know how people thought, 452 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:26.279 like well before heliocentrism, but before like solar worship became 453 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:30.519 a thing. I think with like heliocentrism, I truly think 454 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:34.160 it throws everything off. I think that it's not harmonious. 455 00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:38.200 It doesn't look that way to me at least, and 456 00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:41.119 everything becomes way too masculine as well, so the feminine 457 00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:43.480 tends to be really suppressed. 458 00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:46.359 And there's a lot of feminine symbolism. 459 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:48.559 That associates with the pole star as well, and also 460 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:51.960 or some major and things like that. So that's kind 461 00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:54.559 of my like, I guess somewhat in a way like 462 00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:58.480 personal journey or whatever. But the polestar has been referred 463 00:24:58.480 --> 00:25:01.799 to as the guiding star, and so this was the 464 00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:04.559 pre eminent main star with early scene navigation. 465 00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:08.200 If you knew where the Polestar was, you knew where north. 466 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:10.559 Was, which means that you knew at just where you 467 00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:14.319 were going generally, And if you're following a different constellation, 468 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:17.480 it's only in proximity to the Pole Star that you 469 00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:20.160 know where you're going, right, And so all of the 470 00:25:20.200 --> 00:25:23.960 fixed stars go around the Polestar once a year, and 471 00:25:24.039 --> 00:25:26.599 so that's why it was used as an early skyclock 472 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:28.759 as well, and so it was a different kind of time. 473 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:31.839 And actually, I know I've brought this up before too, 474 00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:36.680 but I think these skyclocks are encoded in the tarot. 475 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:40.480 The Star card represents the Pole Star. That's the seventeenth 476 00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:43.000 card of the major arcana. The eighteenth card of the 477 00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:46.279 major arcana is the Moon card. That's more of the 478 00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:50.440 lunar cycles and everything and the lunar calendar. And then 479 00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:53.440 after that you have the Sun card. And so all 480 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:56.519 three of these cards in a row talk about three 481 00:25:56.559 --> 00:25:59.640 different skyclocks. In my opinion, I kind of refer to 482 00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:04.240 them as like three different symbolic ages, right, And this 483 00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:07.559 is different from like the great ages or whatever. But 484 00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:14.720 the Pole Star has a relationship also with like what 485 00:26:14.799 --> 00:26:16.440 it means to be in a dark age and what 486 00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:19.960 it means to be in Golden age. And so what 487 00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:23.720 renegu went On says is that literally, in the Golden Age, 488 00:26:24.279 --> 00:26:26.920 this is when people had this sort of respect and 489 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:31.880 understanding of the center, right, and in the dark age, 490 00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:34.160 which I think we're living in a very dark age 491 00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:36.559 right now, right, I don't know exactly at what part 492 00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:39.240 we're at in it, but he says that the difference 493 00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:42.440 is people have lost basically the site of the center. 494 00:26:42.519 --> 00:26:45.960 People are now ungrounded and they're not still and they 495 00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:50.279 basically aren't literally acknowledging anything related to this sort of 496 00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:51.079 supreme center. 497 00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:52.079 And so the. 498 00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:55.799 Idea is that all things emanate from a sacred center, 499 00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:57.799 from this inner sanctum, and then all things sort of 500 00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:00.359 return to it, not unlike a torus field basically, right, 501 00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:03.880 And so the pole star symbolically represents that because of 502 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:08.279 its position of where it's located. And so this has major, 503 00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:12.240 major implication symbolically because it means that everything came from 504 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:16.319 the same place. Everything sort of is an echo or 505 00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:19.599 a remnants or something along these lines, right, a fractal 506 00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:23.880 of this original sort of thing. So that's kind of 507 00:27:23.880 --> 00:27:26.119 been one of the trippier things to sort of understand, 508 00:27:26.200 --> 00:27:30.200 right when you read these authors who really get into 509 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:34.279 the world axis and everything else, everything relates back to it. 510 00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:37.400 There's almost nothing that you can it's nothing you could 511 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:41.039 talk about. There's no planet, there's no symbol, there's no 512 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:44.880 myth or anything that escapes this sort of dynamic because 513 00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:47.079 it is kind of been viewed as this original sort 514 00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:47.640 of dynamic. 515 00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:51.920 Well, what about the ages? Isn't it also important to 516 00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:56.160 notice that the primordial aid where you had mounds and 517 00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:59.680 these worship sites that were all connected to the sort 518 00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:01.319 of symbolism. 519 00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:02.200 Yeah, exactly. 520 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:05.480 That's very important to note because that's, you know, that's 521 00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:07.680 the center of their cultures and ever since then it's 522 00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:11.160 been more diffuse and there's there's far more wandering from 523 00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:13.319 those centralized locations. 524 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:15.039 Yeah. Absolutely. 525 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:17.799 So one way of looking at it that people have 526 00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:22.960 put forward is that humanity started in the center of Earth, 527 00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:26.160 that humanity started in the north, and that there was 528 00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:28.920 a migration away from the North, and some people say 529 00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:31.480 that this had to do with some sort of catastrophe 530 00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:35.680 or cataclysm or whatever. There's lots of variations on this idea, 531 00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:39.279 and that the North would relate to Paradise, or it 532 00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:42.039 would relate to the Garden of Eden, right, And so 533 00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:44.839 there's this idea, and you'll see old maps right where 534 00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:47.480 in the northern part of Earth that there's like a 535 00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:51.480 central mountain. And so this central mountain interfaces with the 536 00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:59.519 world axis, mountains, pyramids, pillars, the idea of a loadstone, 537 00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:03.039 it's the same thing. Basically, when you're talking about the 538 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:05.480 center of Earth. The idea is that this is where 539 00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:08.559 Heaven and Earth meet. So there's like a symbolic bridge 540 00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:12.440 or there's a symbolic stairway between the above and below basically, 541 00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:15.799 and that the Pole Star would just be right above it, 542 00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:21.279 right North Pole, North Star. And so basically when people 543 00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:24.400 symbolically even I'm open to it being a symbolic interpretation, 544 00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:29.799 migrated away from the north and set up new sacred centers, 545 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:36.240 they're basically emulating the original sacred center. So Mecha Jerusalem, 546 00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:40.440 whatever sort of holy site you're talking about, whatever pilgrimage location, 547 00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:43.960 Symbolically it's like a pilgrimage to Eden, or it's like 548 00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:48.079 a pilgrimage to that inner sanctum in Earth. Right, And 549 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:50.920 when you look at these different holy locations. There's always 550 00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:53.400 this idea that it's where heaven and Earth meet. That's 551 00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:55.240 always like a common theme with all of them. 552 00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:59.720 A perfect example is the Beatless Stones. So these are 553 00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:03.279 the thees that were sacred to these different cultures around 554 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:06.599 the world. One of the most famous Batalist stones is 555 00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:10.440 the Jacob's Pillow, and Jacob's pillow is where he was 556 00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:13.640 supposedly sleeping on top of this mountain, had the vision 557 00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:17.720 of the stairway to Heaven, right, and it's right along 558 00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:19.799 those polar lines, you know. 559 00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:21.559 Yeah, exactly. 560 00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:25.640 Actually, Nick, if you don't mind, I have an image 561 00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:30.720 of Jacob's ladder and it's the sixteenth slide that I 562 00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:31.759 have in that PDF. 563 00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:37.759 And it was also Osirius's spine. They said that the 564 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:41.119 earth was hung upon it and basically, you know, it 565 00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:44.160 was attached to the axis moundy and basically held the 566 00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:45.440 Earth in the heavens. 567 00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:47.759 That's right, Yeah, exactly. Yeah. 568 00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:50.839 There's this old idea that I've come across several times. 569 00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:56.640 I know, it's in Ovid's Metamorphoses as well. There's this 570 00:30:56.759 --> 00:30:59.480 idea that heaven and Earth and all of the elements 571 00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:04.519 refused together, and it wasn't until this axis moondy central 572 00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:09.599 pillar came into existence. Was there space between the above 573 00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:12.759 and below? And so this central pillar or world axis 574 00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:15.680 was believed to be the thing that actually separated heaven 575 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.440 and earth and then also connects heaven and earth together, right, 576 00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:22.960 And I think this is actually what the magician, he's 577 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:25.400 basically acting as a central pillar. In the first card 578 00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:28.400 of the major acona, the number one is symbolic of 579 00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:31.160 the world axis, just the straight vertical line, right, it 580 00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:34.440 connects heaven and Earth. The magician has a wand which 581 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:37.839 is very much related to world axis symbolism. He's pointing 582 00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:39.640 it to the heavens in one hand, and then he's 583 00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:41.759 pointing down to the ground on the other hand. He's 584 00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:44.119 basically saying, I am the central pillar in the House 585 00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:46.240 of God. I connect all that is above with all 586 00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:49.640 that is below. And he actually corresponds with the Hebrew 587 00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:53.079 letter Beth or bets, which literally means house and actually 588 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:55.400 goes back to the batlestone thing. There's a whole entire 589 00:31:55.799 --> 00:32:00.400 relationship with that. But yeah, So here's Jacob leaping on 590 00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:05.079 the left hand side. You can see three pillars one pillar. 591 00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:09.319 Generally when you see this is from Freemasonry. Generally when 592 00:32:09.319 --> 00:32:11.440 you see three pillars, there's going to be one that 593 00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:13.799 has an obvious sun on it, one that has an 594 00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:16.920 obvious moon. So then what's to say about the central pillar. 595 00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:20.240 It's polar, one is solar, one is lunar, the other 596 00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.880 one is polar. The polar pillar is the one that's 597 00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:28.240 actually truly transcendental and actually truly goes to other plans 598 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:31.160 of existence. And the symbolism is so obvious once you 599 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:33.519 know what you're looking at. But you see the central 600 00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:36.359 pillar literally is breaking through the clouds, and then it's 601 00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:41.680 surrounded by seven stars. These seven stars, if you didn't 602 00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:44.400 know any better, you would probably think maybe perhaps they're 603 00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:47.960 related to like the seven wandering stars. But actually the 604 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:52.160 original seven stars of Enlightenment, in my opinion, is ursa major, right, 605 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:55.119 and that the symbolism was attributed to ursa major first, 606 00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:58.640 and then I think kind of have gotten shifted around, right, 607 00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:01.640 and so like the Pleiades in the solarized world, in 608 00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:04.359 the solar mind, that kind of has taken on a 609 00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:08.039 lot of ursa major symbolism in my opinion. And then 610 00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:12.319 clearly you see the ladder, you know, going through the 611 00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:17.359 clouds there. So if you want to go to maybe 612 00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:26.960 a slide thirteen and fourteen if you don't mind. So 613 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:31.559 there you go another freemasonic tracing board. Three pillars. You'll 614 00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:35.480 see that there's a seven pointed star in the middle, 615 00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:39.160 and that's what the ladder is ascending towards, being associated 616 00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:42.400 with that central pillar. Notice that it's also going towards 617 00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:45.839 east as well, So there's a whole entire correspondence with 618 00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:50.880 East symbolically being related to what's been referred to as 619 00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:54.599 cosmic North. That it actually it's almost a veil. It's 620 00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:56.799 not the east that you're going to see on a map. 621 00:33:56.839 --> 00:33:59.960 It's actually more of a central location. And sometimes the 622 00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:03.440 sun has been used as a symbolic reference to the 623 00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:05.640 pole Star. And I have a quote that we can 624 00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:09.360 read later from Peter Lavenda, but he basically says, and 625 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:12.599 I agree with him, that the sun is almost in 626 00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:16.639 modern times a blind for the North Star. That the 627 00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:18.880 north star is the original sun. That's another way of 628 00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:22.840 putting it right. And so I think that that's absolutely 629 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:24.840 worth considering, and I think that it makes a lot 630 00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:28.320 of sense, and if people want more information about that specifically, 631 00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:31.800 I did a presentation called the Rising Sun, and so 632 00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:34.239 people can see that on my YouTube, and I really 633 00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:37.159 get into the nature of that and how the sun 634 00:34:37.400 --> 00:34:43.119 when it's being referenced in different works of art allegorically, etc. 635 00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:47.039 It doesn't necessarily the meat doesn't mean the sun that 636 00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:49.480 rises in the east and sets in the west. It 637 00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:52.199 actually is more of a reference to like a cosmic sun. 638 00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:54.800 I would say sometimes you can refer to it as 639 00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:58.800 the invisible sun or the block sun. Even the block sun, 640 00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:01.679 in my opinion, is basically the stationary sun. It's a 641 00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:04.400 reference to the world axis in the poll star, the 642 00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:07.880 main sun that's what goes around, rises and sets every day. 643 00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:11.159 The block Sun, I think, is this immutable sort of 644 00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:13.599 central sun, and that goes back to some of the 645 00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:15.800 Nazi occultism stuff right there. 646 00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:18.880 There could be something more to the east reference and 647 00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:23.880 in terms of an electromagnetic correspondence, because there's a guy 648 00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:26.039 named Crow Triple seven who has done a lot of 649 00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:30.719 work with sun and telescoping and taking videos of the 650 00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:34.039 what he calls the invisible Sun. Right yeah, I think 651 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:37.679 that it's been confirmed by other people who you know, 652 00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:40.320 are using the same methodology to sort of film it. 653 00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:43.800 You can actually get on camera this sort of second 654 00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:47.480 sun idea and prove that it's not just lens flair. 655 00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:53.199 Yeah, I think no matter how you want to slice it, absolutely, 656 00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:57.559 I'm really starting to think that just one sun does 657 00:35:57.639 --> 00:35:58.639 not make sense. 658 00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:04.760 In an elliptical There have to be too folky. So 659 00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:08.599 we're in an elliptical orbit around or one way or 660 00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:12.840 the other. Right, so too folk I for there to 661 00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:14.440 be an elliptical orbit. 662 00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:18.480 Right, Yeah, No, there's something to be said about it. 663 00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:22.360 And I've seen his work for sure, So. 664 00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:25.519 Of course I wanted to say the Egyptians too. They 665 00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:29.400 would bury people on the west side of the Nile, 666 00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:35.840 and they associated eternal life with the east. But as 667 00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:39.960 I've heard it towards the Sun being the eternal you know, 668 00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:43.000 disk and so forth, not that it may not be 669 00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:49.400 related to the polar aspect, but or the non physical 670 00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:51.880 dimension east as you as you're pointing out. 671 00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:56.719 Right right, Yeah, if you want to just go to 672 00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:01.400 the next slide. So number fourteen, I've shown this before, 673 00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:07.239 but this is a Freemasonic lodge in London, and they 674 00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:11.440 openly acknowledge that this is the Pole Star, that this 675 00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:14.400 is the North Star, that they don't hide it. And 676 00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:17.000 so you see that there's a ladder going to that 677 00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:20.920 central star. Notice that it's a five pointed star, and 678 00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:24.519 then notice that there is the zodiac going around it. 679 00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:26.559 So this is the thing to me that was really 680 00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:31.440 fascinating just over time that nobody in astrology acknowledges that 681 00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:34.239 all of the stars in astrology go around one star, 682 00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:37.519 you know. And so to me, that's like a huge thing. 683 00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.360 And so I try and you know, bring that up 684 00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:45.559 or make people aware of that. And so so my opinion, 685 00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:47.760 and just because I'm looking at the zodiac and just 686 00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:51.400 brought this up, if everything is expressed from the center 687 00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:56.119 and returns back to it, it's something worth considering. Something 688 00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:58.760 that I've read multiple times now, and I think that 689 00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:01.800 this is absolutely true. I may have mentioned this at 690 00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:06.199 some point, but basically, there are several authors who have 691 00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:13.239 put forward that there are cultures who have documented information 692 00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:18.519 about their early zodiac being in the northern sky, and 693 00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:23.440 once they became solar, they exported the mythology from the 694 00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:26.639 northern sky to the path of the sun. There's a 695 00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:28.800 guy named John Major Jenkins, and he has a book 696 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:31.039 called Galactic Alignment, and that's what he talks about. He 697 00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:36.079 talks about the ancient Chinese people having eight constellations, around 698 00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:39.840 the pole star, and then once they became solar, they 699 00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:43.000 shifted those constellations literally to the path of the Sun, 700 00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:47.559 and then they added four more constellations, giving them twelve constellations. 701 00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:51.400 And so I've heard variations of the theme. So my opinion 702 00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:53.719 is that the origins of the zodiac come from the 703 00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:55.800 northern sky. I think that makes all the sense in 704 00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:59.199 the world. So the same way humanity migrated from the 705 00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:03.760 north and potentially spread out, the same thing has happened 706 00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:09.599 in mythology. And I'm inclined to think actually that perhaps 707 00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:12.920 all of the mythology that you see in the night 708 00:39:13.000 --> 00:39:17.719 sky came from a northern location, that it originated up 709 00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:22.199 north and got exported over time. And so it's kind 710 00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:24.599 of a big claim, but to me, it makes a 711 00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:29.119 lot of sense on multiple levels. Because the density of 712 00:39:29.159 --> 00:39:33.679 what you can learn about these circumpolar constellations, which means 713 00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:35.599 that they don't like dip below the horizon when they 714 00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:38.480 go around the central point of pivot. It's staggering. 715 00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:38.920 You know. 716 00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:42.159 I've been reading about it for years and there's more 717 00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:44.800 and more and more stuff that I'm learning all the 718 00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.960 time about it. So like ursa major the Big Dipper 719 00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:51.000 It's been referred to as the thigh of a bowl. 720 00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:54.119 It's been referred to as the thigh of set. It's 721 00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:56.559 been referred to as a plow. It's been referred to 722 00:39:56.559 --> 00:40:00.679 as reindeer, a sleigh. It's been referred to as a 723 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:07.760 boar or piglets, sailors, a dark mother, the coffin of Osyrus. 724 00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:08.199 What was that? 725 00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:12.880 Bears bears exactly, Yeah, yeah, right, a great bear and 726 00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:17.360 the little bear. And so it really is is kind 727 00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:19.679 of a mind blowing sort of thing to consider. 728 00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:22.320 If you want to go to. 729 00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:24.920 Now before we leave. I was going to add as 730 00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:28.159 far as as far as the Free Masons, if you 731 00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:33.639 look in the A. Mackie's Free Masonic Encyclopedia, they talk 732 00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:38.119 about the five pointed star with the effulgent, you know, 733 00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:43.000 beams coming from it, very much like that is the 734 00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:46.599 star of the Masons. It's the Star Merca, you know, 735 00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:53.280 that's right, And they associated with Isis and the dog 736 00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:58.079 Star as far as serious b but I think on 737 00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:01.800 the occulted level they're more referring to the pole Star. 738 00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:03.440 Yeah exactly. 739 00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:06.599 And there's a surprising amount of information that I've learned 740 00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:12.639 too that relates serious be with the North as well. 741 00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:15.760 In fact, it's been referred to the dog star right, 742 00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:19.119 has been referred to as the eighth child of the 743 00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:21.639 Great Mother of the North. Is one way I've heard 744 00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:25.360 it put. Right, So there are things going on there. 745 00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:29.639 What I kind of say or how I understand it 746 00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:33.320 is that you know, it's not unlike a wheel. I 747 00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:36.199 brought up wheel symbolism recently on here, I'm pretty sure, 748 00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:40.280 but like the wheel is a really good metaphor to 749 00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:43.159 understand for a lot of different reasons. But the external 750 00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:46.719 part of the wheel is related to division, multiplicity. The 751 00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:48.480 internal part of the wheel, the hub of the wheel, 752 00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:52.320 the axle of the wheel, is related to supreme unity basically, right, 753 00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:57.519 it's immutable, it's stationary, it's kind of like timeless, and 754 00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:02.639 so all things out side of that center are subordinate 755 00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:05.320 to the center. That the true hierarchy is the middle. 756 00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:08.079 We tend to think of a hierarchy just in terms 757 00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:10.719 of like a pyramid, right, But going to the top 758 00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:12.800 of the pyramid is like going to the center of 759 00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:18.360 the wheel, basically, and so all holy locations are subordinate 760 00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:22.360 to the original location. So the same thing I see 761 00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.239 it with the night skies, that all stars are subordinate 762 00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:28.639 to the pole star, to the original transcendental star. Basically, 763 00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:31.840 it's the star of stars. There's no other star like it, basically, 764 00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:35.119 And so if I'm there. 765 00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:39.679 Oh sorry, if I'm sorry to interrupted, If I may add, 766 00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:45.119 an excellent way to perceive the pentagram the five pointed 767 00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:51.480 star is through traditional Chinese medicine or the five element 768 00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:55.320 theory that is in that really is the basis of 769 00:42:55.840 --> 00:43:03.920 traditional Chinese medicine, where every herbal formula starts with at 770 00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:11.000 least five ingredients, and there's this whole five element unfoldment 771 00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:15.599 in the natural world that goes along with the Yin 772 00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:18.639 Yang symbol, which what we call the yan Yang symbol, 773 00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:23.239 which is actually the grand ultimate poll. 774 00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:25.960 Yes, yeah, exactly, it's it. 775 00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:29.119 And so yeah, I was just I just wanted to 776 00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:29.880 add that. 777 00:43:32.320 --> 00:43:36.400 One other things that's interesting is the is the correlation 778 00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:39.920 with all of the stuff you've said and the box saga, Yeah, 779 00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:44.199 just says everything that you just put out there all 780 00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:49.400 in very clear terms about this sort of northern hierarchy 781 00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:53.760 or this northern kingdom. Yeah, talking about how they laid 782 00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:56.639 out the Meridians based off of the different kingdoms that 783 00:43:56.679 --> 00:43:59.440 made rings around the around the rest of the world. 784 00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:01.679 Right right, yeah, no, you got it. 785 00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:05.280 And so I consider myself personally like allies with the 786 00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:08.960 Box Saga people, and I've done shows about the Box Saga. 787 00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:11.239 The thing that they don't like about me. 788 00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:15.360 Is that I put the North and a lot of 789 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:17.760 the symbolism that I'm talking about right now as like 790 00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:22.679 the supreme sort of originator of things, and they don't 791 00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:24.639 like that I'm not just a Box Saga guy, like 792 00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:26.960 they want me to acknowledge like just the Box Saga, 793 00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:28.920 and I'm like, no, there's a lot of other claims 794 00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:31.920 of where the origins of humanity are. In fact, I 795 00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:34.800 think it's healthy, you know. I think it's healthy for 796 00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:38.679 a people to have something in their backyard that they say, 797 00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:41.039 this is where our Adam and Eve came from, this 798 00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:44.320 is where we bridge the gap between Heaven and Earth. 799 00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:46.400 I think that's a very healthy thing for people to have. 800 00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:49.320 And so the fact that people will defend that and 801 00:44:49.360 --> 00:44:51.840 say that, no, it's in our backyard, that's cool with 802 00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:54.719 me because that just fits with sort of what I'm 803 00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:57.599 saying here, with all of these other cultures basically saying 804 00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:00.199 a very similar sort of thing. So they're all all 805 00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:02.519 sort of mirroring this original dynamic. 806 00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:06.920 Sorry, oh go ahead. 807 00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:09.599 Oh no, I was just gonna ask Robbie when you 808 00:45:09.639 --> 00:45:12.320 mentioned that star, was it Merca or Marrack. 809 00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:17.400 You said, I think you said Marca Marca. 810 00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:19.880 Oh yeah, that's what I heard too. 811 00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:22.519 Okay, No, it just was like I was like, oh, 812 00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:28.400 it's America. Something they might be muted now, just reminded 813 00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:29.039 me of America. 814 00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:33.199 And I wanted to ask real quick to Mario, is 815 00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:35.039 there anything or you might be touching on this later, 816 00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:37.559 but is there anything that you can think of with 817 00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:40.400 the pole being like red and white? Because all I 818 00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:42.239 just think of is like the barber's pole, you know. 819 00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:44.960 And then you mentioned pole end earlier in the show, 820 00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:47.920 which is very associated with red and white colors. So 821 00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:50.119 I was just wondering if you had any thoughts on 822 00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:50.800 that real quick. 823 00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:51.360 Yeah. 824 00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:54.920 No, I mean not specifically with the red and white, 825 00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:58.719 but where you see a pole, it is related, you know. 826 00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:02.519 And so whether it's the may pole the barber pole, 827 00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:08.159 for sure, I think corresponds with that. And also, you know, 828 00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:09.920 one of the things I've heard people refer to this 829 00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:14.360 original tradition as is as the mystic pole tradition, and 830 00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:18.239 you'll find that a lot of sort of messengers that 831 00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:23.320 have preserved wisdom from a previous age. A lot of 832 00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:27.920 times they're very much related to the pole. Like they 833 00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:31.239 will literally carry a walking stick with them. They have 834 00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:33.440 a shepherd's crook, which I think is very much related 835 00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:37.760 to this idea. The fool oftentimes has one or two 836 00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:41.000 poles with him, The green man oftentimes has a walking 837 00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:43.079 stick with him. Sometimes they'll have a tree or a 838 00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:46.199 branch like on his shoulder or something like that. So 839 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:49.639 the poll definitely, in all of its sort of variations, 840 00:46:49.679 --> 00:46:52.119 I think it just relates to this original sort of idea. 841 00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:54.599 People as well. 842 00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:58.599 Good They could go back to the barber pole, because 843 00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:02.159 the barber was more than just a barber, right, he 844 00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:04.760 did all sorts of surgeries and all the rest of 845 00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:07.840 that stuff. So that could be related to the rod 846 00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:12.039 of Asclepius. Because you've got some snake fling up the pole. 847 00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:19.039 The yeah, that could concentric representation instead of crossing, right, 848 00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:22.440 they're intertwined around the pole. Sometimes a barber pool is red, 849 00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:25.440 white and blue. So even to me, it could be 850 00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:29.599 like magnetism to like the different like polar opposites, like forces, right. 851 00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:32.599 Totally, Oh yeah, absolutely definitely, if I. 852 00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:36.280 May, if I may add on the misimistic idea and 853 00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:40.880 the idea of grounding, A big part of tai Chi 854 00:47:41.079 --> 00:47:45.039 practice or grand ultimate pole practice is what it really 855 00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:49.960 means is actually to imagine connecting with the North Star 856 00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:58.159 and that being a whole balancing process. Buddhism in many 857 00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:04.880 different meditation techniques starts with the ideal idea of single pointedness. 858 00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:05.360 Right. 859 00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:12.360 Sometimes many many meditations might have the idea of a 860 00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:17.639 single spark, and this this spark is is of course 861 00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:25.119 the poll of our energy. And in every mandala and 862 00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:32.559 yantra or visual meditation tool, there is a center point 863 00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:39.679 and it's very important to consider in in the meditation process. 864 00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:48.519 And there is also, i think not necessarily explored, but 865 00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:53.559 the the symbol of God or maybe one can infer 866 00:48:54.639 --> 00:49:02.440 godliness or a meditated mindset. Forgive my stutter, but the 867 00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:08.800 the circumpunct, the Greek symbol for God has is the 868 00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:15.039 center point or the single point circle the mode excuse me, 869 00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:20.599 and and is really a simple but in that simplicity 870 00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:25.880 a profound meditation tool potentially as well. So I think 871 00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:31.360 that the center pointedness and being centered right, all this 872 00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:36.599 all this has a lot of psychic value, if you will. 873 00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:40.840 And I also want to add to that psyche idea 874 00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:46.000 that the trinity that you mentioned I found profound not 875 00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:50.840 only in the more physical senses you explored with the polar, 876 00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:56.960 solar and lunar from the tarot, but there's also the 877 00:49:57.000 --> 00:50:02.800 internal or mindset trinity that these might correspond with. And 878 00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:06.639 the first one that comes to mind is the priest, 879 00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:13.079 the king, and the philosopher. So I think there's a 880 00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:17.679 bunch of internal or meditative or self development ideas through 881 00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:23.960 that center point, single point in this Thanks for letting 882 00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:24.320 me share that. 883 00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:27.639 Yeah, dude, no, you freaking got it, man, you totally 884 00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:32.320 get it. The circumpunct is interesting for so many different 885 00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:35.800 reasons because I agree with you, it's related to the center. 886 00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:39.920 Isn't it interesting that the circumpunked in today's world is 887 00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:42.639 the symbol of the sun, because the symbol of the 888 00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:45.079 sun has really taken on a lot of the symbolism 889 00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:48.079 that was originally associated with the pole star, and so 890 00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:52.000 the sun in today's world, if you're a heliocentrist, that 891 00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:55.280 is the central poll part of what this is all 892 00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:59.639 about goes back to what people have called axial symbolism. 893 00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:03.000 Is that that central point is the point of pivot 894 00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:05.719 for whatever that system is, right, And so if you're 895 00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:08.920 a heliocentrist, the point of pivot is the Sun. If 896 00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:11.880 you're more of a geocentrist or something, then the point 897 00:51:11.880 --> 00:51:14.960 of pivot would be this central poll right, the point 898 00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:18.280 of which all things revolve around, which has this relationship 899 00:51:18.280 --> 00:51:21.760 with the poll star. And so in a lot of 900 00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:26.159 newer symbolism books, what you'll find is that the circumpunct 901 00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:30.119 oftentimes is related more so to the Sun than anything else. 902 00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:32.880 You will also see the same thing with the quartered 903 00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:35.159 circle right, which is just the cross with a circle 904 00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:38.239 around it, and a lot of people say in modern 905 00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:44.039 symbolism books is that it's the solar wheel. Everything in 906 00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:47.480 modern times has been over emphasized to go along with 907 00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:51.079 sun worship pretty much, in my opinion, and I think 908 00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:53.159 a large part of this has to do with heliocentrism, 909 00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:54.559 and I think in large part of this has to 910 00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:57.519 do with the church in Christianity and things like that 911 00:51:57.599 --> 00:52:02.559 as well. So one of my favorite symbology books actually 912 00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:05.760 talks about the centeredness that you're referring to with everything 913 00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:09.159 and how that relates to all so many different symbols 914 00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:14.480 mountain symbolism, world tree symbolism, the circumpunk the you know, 915 00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:18.159 the quartered circle, things like that. And so one of 916 00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:20.519 the books that really kind of changed the game for 917 00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:24.440 me is called The Penguin Dictionary of Symbols. I recommend 918 00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:26.760 it all the time because it's one of the easiest 919 00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:30.920 to get symbolic dictionaries on the market. It's super cheap, 920 00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:34.800 but the entries are really good. And I realize that 921 00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:38.000 I love that book so much because they referenced renege 922 00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:40.800 went On all the time, and he's like the polar guy, 923 00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:45.239 and so he is referenced more than any other author 924 00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:48.639 or researcher in that entire book. And so reading that 925 00:52:48.679 --> 00:52:52.599 book really got me sort of used to thinking about 926 00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:55.719 this sort of center idea, inner synctum and sort of 927 00:52:55.719 --> 00:52:57.800 what that represents and how you see it in so 928 00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:01.320 many different things, just like you're saying, with meditative symbols 929 00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:05.880 and mondalas and things like that. So, yeah, excellent stuff. 930 00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:08.960 So what I see is that the circumpunked and quartered circle, 931 00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:13.400 these are originally polar symbols, not solar symbols. 932 00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:15.239 That's just my interpretation of things. 933 00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:15.880 Now. 934 00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:18.599 I would like to add, when you go back and 935 00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:23.960 you look at the original layout of Atlantis and Atlas 936 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:29.960 holding up the heavens basically being that pillar Atlantis itself 937 00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:35.880 are those circular the circular motion around the center point 938 00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:42.280 and then having a temple on every circular axis. But 939 00:53:42.760 --> 00:53:47.239 perhaps even because there were other instances where we've had 940 00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:51.000 other polar stars based on the shifts and the movements 941 00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:53.559 of the heavens, and at one point where there was 942 00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:59.280 actually a dual star that was the polar star, but 943 00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:04.079 perhaps the sinking of Atlantis was actually just the cosmic 944 00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:06.360 shift and the change of the polestar. 945 00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:07.440 You know. 946 00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:10.599 One of the things I'll say is that I'm actually 947 00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:14.519 wrestling with whether or not the polestar has changed or not, 948 00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:20.119 and the procession of the equinoxes and everything else. Like 949 00:54:20.199 --> 00:54:23.360 I've heard that I have charts with the older polestars 950 00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:27.119 and things like that, and I've talked to some really 951 00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:31.079 really knowledgeable people who no longer buy that that the 952 00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:34.159 polestar has shifted or changed. And so I would say 953 00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:36.000 that I'm personally on the fence. I don't know what 954 00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:39.639 to quite think about that, you know, so just something 955 00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:43.440 to consider, I guess. The interesting thing too, so in 956 00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:47.440 today's world in modern times, if you see a depiction 957 00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:50.320 of Alice or someone draws Atlas or creates a statue 958 00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:53.199 or something, Alice is going to be holding the globe 959 00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:57.559 literally a sphere on top of his shoulder. Is the 960 00:54:57.679 --> 00:55:02.079 earliest versions of Alice. He's actually holding up the firmament, right, 961 00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:05.320 So he's holding up the vault of heaven. Yes, And 962 00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:08.079 I think this is interesting because that would align him 963 00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:12.039 with world axis axis Moondy symbolism. And guess how many 964 00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:15.639 daughters Atlas had. He had seven daughters, and so this 965 00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:19.159 would be ursa major this original seven Stars of Enlightenment. 966 00:55:19.639 --> 00:55:22.519 And so what's happened, like I was saying earlier, is 967 00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:25.719 a lot of the core symbolism associated with the North 968 00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:28.480 kind of has been dispersed all throughout the rest of 969 00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:31.840 the night sky, in my opinion, And you will see 970 00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:36.239 this with the Pleiades, because the Seven Sisters are basically 971 00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:39.400 the daughters of Atlas. And when you actually look at 972 00:55:39.400 --> 00:55:43.000 the mythology, one of the fascinating things is that when 973 00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:45.960 you look at the Pleiades, even though it's generally referred 974 00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:50.119 to as the Seven Sisters, there's actually only six main stars. 975 00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:54.880 But they have a myth about the missing seventh daughter. Right, 976 00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:59.400 the myth exists because it's a transition from Ursa major 977 00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:04.280 to the other place, and so for more heliocentric minded people, 978 00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:09.639 the new axis I think exists from Taurus to Scorpio. 979 00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:13.400 Basically that this is sort of the new axial bridge 980 00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:16.360 to the other side, which to me is more like 981 00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:19.000 a counterfeit or a copy of something that existed in 982 00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:19.760 the northern sky. 983 00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:21.559 Personally, well, do. 984 00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:24.599 You know what the first bone right below your. 985 00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:26.480 Skull is called atlas? 986 00:56:26.920 --> 00:56:28.519 Yeah, and it's holding up. 987 00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:32.800 Yeah, that's right, funny, yeah, exactly. 988 00:56:33.079 --> 00:56:35.039 Well what that interest me too, is that all of 989 00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:37.559 the stories and all of the myths and everything else 990 00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:41.840 in ancient societies were found in the constellations. So that 991 00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:46.320 was like the memory of the civilization. So it's literally 992 00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:49.480 holding up the head, which is the whole memory of 993 00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:50.199 the world. 994 00:56:49.960 --> 00:56:54.320 Which would be stars right right, yeah, exactly beautiful. 995 00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:58.519 One of the principles, if I'm not mistaken, of the circumpunct, 996 00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:03.920 is that the center can be basically anywhere, and the 997 00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:10.400 circumference is basically limitless. Yes, and the Native Americans have 998 00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:14.320 a beautiful idea. I find that it just reflects this. 999 00:57:15.320 --> 00:57:17.800 For instance, if you go to the Hopi reservation. I 1000 00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:22.599 think it's San Francisco Mountain is the center of the universe. 1001 00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:26.440 And if you go to another tribe's place, they have 1002 00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:29.760 another mountain usually that is the center of the universe. 1003 00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:34.480 So it's just an interesting idea that relates to that. 1004 00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:38.760 San Francisco, the San Francisco Mountain Range is like one 1005 00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:41.079 hundred miles away from Hope Territory. 1006 00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:45.280 Certainly, no, but I'm pretty sure they have it as 1007 00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:48.000 a as a very revered place, and I think it's 1008 00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:48.800 their center point. 1009 00:57:48.880 --> 00:57:52.280 That's where the Kachinas come from. Is they come from 1010 00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:54.400 mountains towards the Mesa. 1011 00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:57.639 And isn't that also where they hit out during the 1012 00:57:57.719 --> 00:58:01.119 last Earth changes underground with the Anti people that took 1013 00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:03.400 care of them and helped them out until they could 1014 00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:04.079 re emerge. 1015 00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:08.679 It is, actually I think that was in there's another 1016 00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:12.960 place more close to the reservation, as I was told. 1017 00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:18.360 There's it's something like the Blue Canyon or Blue something 1018 00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:21.119 or other where they came out of. So maybe they 1019 00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:23.599 entered it in Sanisco. 1020 00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:26.360 Right, and they call that the navel of the there 1021 00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:28.239 you go, Yeah, yep. 1022 00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:31.920 It's interesting. When you first mentioned the pyramids, Maryo, it 1023 00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:33.880 made me think, like I was like, oh, my new 1024 00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:36.719 favorite Earth theory is pyramid Earth because I think it 1025 00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:38.960 just represents like the shape of the Earth. It's got 1026 00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:41.800 the four corners and then the top is held up 1027 00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:45.800 like a canopy, you know, sort of, but it's representative 1028 00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:48.000 of that. And same with the mountains, right, a mountain 1029 00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:49.800 being like your center point. 1030 00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:50.360 Wherever you're at. 1031 00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:52.960 Yeah, exactly, yeah. 1032 00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:53.159 No. 1033 00:58:54.360 --> 00:58:59.800 The idea of your temple or lodge or whatever being 1034 00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:02.639 the center of the universe is really common, and I 1035 00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:05.480 almost would say that if you're not kind of imbuing 1036 00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:07.840 that on your sacred space, you're kind of doing it wrong. 1037 00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:11.440 And so that's why the lodge has that pole star 1038 00:59:11.559 --> 00:59:12.239 right on top. 1039 00:59:12.079 --> 00:59:13.760 Of it, right, right. 1040 00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:18.440 So speaking of actually, Nick, if you don't mind going 1041 00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:23.840 to the seventeenth slide, it's related because it's another five 1042 00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:24.559 pointed star. 1043 00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:29.079 But there you go, right above there you go. 1044 00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:35.280 So my understanding is that this was the symbol of 1045 00:59:35.320 --> 00:59:39.239 the opening to the other side in ancient Egypt, the duot, 1046 00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:42.519 and so this is the five pointed star that represented 1047 00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:45.239 sort of that gateway or threshold between realms. 1048 00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:48.079 Right. And there's a woman named Judy K. 1049 00:59:48.280 --> 00:59:51.639 King and she wrote a book called the Isis Thesis, 1050 00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:56.679 and according to her decoding of the hieroglyphs, she basically 1051 00:59:56.719 --> 00:59:59.280 says that the ancient Egyptians had this idea that when 1052 00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:02.400 they die, and maybe this was just a certain sect 1053 01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:05.039 of people or for a certain period of time, but 1054 01:00:05.239 --> 01:00:08.440 she basically said that their idea was that when they die, 1055 01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:13.360 their soul goes to the north and exits the cusp 1056 01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:17.880 of this great horn of a bull. And basically this 1057 01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:20.079 would be like the toroidal field pretty much, right, So 1058 01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:23.119 the Tourus field has an opening above, has an opening below. 1059 01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:28.239 If you look at the Earth's magnetic field, it looks 1060 01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:32.519 like a Taurus field. We get the northern lights because 1061 01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:36.480 of this dynamic of this magnetic opening at the north right. 1062 01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:41.320 And so I just think it's interesting that they preserved 1063 01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:45.280 the five pointed star in that Freemasonic lodge as being 1064 01:00:45.320 --> 01:00:48.599 the gateway to the heavens, and the Egyptians basically had 1065 01:00:48.639 --> 01:00:51.000 the same thing according to this woman, that this was 1066 01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:53.119 the symbol to go to the other side, and the 1067 01:00:53.199 --> 01:00:57.920 number five too. The mathematics behind the five and literally 1068 01:00:57.960 --> 01:01:01.639 the pentagram the shape of a five pointed star. It's 1069 01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:05.559 truly transcendental. It exists between the physical realm and the 1070 01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:08.760 spirit realm, right, and so there's so much to say 1071 01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:11.159 about that just in general, but it makes a lot 1072 01:01:11.159 --> 01:01:13.039 of sense that this would be sort of the icon 1073 01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:17.400 that crosses that threshold, which, by the way, just want 1074 01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:21.719 to say that there's maybe maybe it's completely balanced. I 1075 01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:24.719 don't know, but there's a lot of symbolism related to 1076 01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:28.760 the heavens or heaven being in the Northern Sky. There's 1077 01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:31.280 also a lot of symbolism and it's really one and 1078 01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:35.000 the same in my world of the underworld also existing 1079 01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:38.639 in the Northern Sky that they're basically it's like synonymous 1080 01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:41.599 kind of in a way. But that's what a lot 1081 01:01:41.599 --> 01:01:44.599 of the black magical stuff that I attached to early 1082 01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:46.440 on when I was reading about it, that's kind of 1083 01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:48.559 they attributed more of that stuff to the Northern Sky. 1084 01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:50.239 But it's the same thing. 1085 01:01:50.239 --> 01:01:52.599 You'll see lots of God symbolism related to the Northern 1086 01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:54.199 Sky and the Pole Star. You'll see a lot of 1087 01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:57.320 goddess symbolism, a lot of king and queen symbolism. So 1088 01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:00.400 it really is kind of like encompasses all of it, 1089 01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:01.440 you know, in a lot of ways. 1090 01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:05.079 So we'll go ahead, Teresa, Oh, just real quick. 1091 01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:07.320 This depiction of the five pointy star looks so much 1092 01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:10.880 like a belly button to me. It could be like, honestly, 1093 01:02:10.880 --> 01:02:15.800 it's a tether between mother and child and the heavens 1094 01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:17.280 and bringing a soul earth side. 1095 01:02:17.360 --> 01:02:17.599 Right. 1096 01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:20.159 Well, that's a great point because when you look at 1097 01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:24.000 some depictions of Knew It or New Nut and she 1098 01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:28.039 is the firmament, She's like the night sky. She her belly, 1099 01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:32.159 her belly button is right there at the very top 1100 01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:32.760 of that arch. 1101 01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:40.400 Ye that's right, man, yeah, crazy right. I was going 1102 01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:43.840 to say, now, when you look at Mother Kiboli or 1103 01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:46.480 the Mother of all the gods, Mother kay Belle, when 1104 01:02:46.480 --> 01:02:50.159 they would venerate to her, they would walk the left 1105 01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:54.400 hand path with the mountain in the center, excellent up 1106 01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:57.519 up to the peak of the mountain. And then when 1107 01:02:57.519 --> 01:03:00.559 they reach the peak of the mountain, there was actually 1108 01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:03.719 the cave of the divine Mother and you would enter 1109 01:03:03.840 --> 01:03:07.199 into the so you're actually ascending the pillar and when 1110 01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:11.360 you reach the top, you're going through a portal essentially. 1111 01:03:11.159 --> 01:03:14.000 There you go. Yeah, exactly. You know a lot of 1112 01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:18.719 people don't realize that the Kaba cube is feminine. Yeah, 1113 01:03:18.760 --> 01:03:22.400 oh yeah, it's completely thoroughly feminine. In fact, if my 1114 01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:25.280 understanding's correct, Kaba means house of the Mother or like 1115 01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:28.360 house of the Great Mother, something along these lines. And 1116 01:03:29.800 --> 01:03:34.559 the black veil over the cube itself is called the 1117 01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:39.639 kisswah and it's literally a veil and veil symbolism corresponds 1118 01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:42.199 with virgo and a lot of god is symbolism basically, 1119 01:03:42.280 --> 01:03:47.559 so the Kaba cube is thoroughly feminine. And what I've 1120 01:03:47.639 --> 01:03:51.280 heard as well, there's a great author, his name is W. H. 1121 01:03:51.400 --> 01:03:51.760 Mueller. 1122 01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:54.280 He wrote a book called Pelaria. He really got into 1123 01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:59.199 some of this information. He basically says that the reverence 1124 01:03:59.239 --> 01:04:02.480 of the Kaba being the Mother got exported into Europe 1125 01:04:02.480 --> 01:04:05.719 as the Black Madonna, and that that's why the Black 1126 01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:09.000 Madonna worship was like on the underground uh in Europe 1127 01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:11.360 and really really took root in France. 1128 01:04:11.960 --> 01:04:15.440 So now with the back to Mother Kibbelli Uh Kibbeli, 1129 01:04:16.880 --> 01:04:20.719 she was represented as a meteorite that had fallen from 1130 01:04:20.719 --> 01:04:25.519 the heaven and she was basically this black, almost obsidian 1131 01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:28.320 type stone that a lot of people believe was a 1132 01:04:28.400 --> 01:04:33.400 sort of a loadstone. But nonetheless, when she went to Rome, 1133 01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:36.440 they carved the goddess and left the face empty and 1134 01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:38.599 just put the black stone in it. So there is 1135 01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:42.679 and then within the cobbastone as well, you open that 1136 01:04:42.800 --> 01:04:47.440 veil up and there's like a silver vagina essentially, right, 1137 01:04:47.599 --> 01:04:51.400 that has broken up pieces of a very similar type 1138 01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:55.079 black rock that mohammed and it had been stolen away 1139 01:04:55.159 --> 01:04:59.519 and brought back. And yeah, so this black rock symbolism 1140 01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:03.920 of this divine feminine energy is something that you can 1141 01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:06.000 trace a lot of these schools. 1142 01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:08.599 Back to exactly, right, dude, you totally got it, man, Yeah, 1143 01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:12.119 for sure. And even literally black rock like the company 1144 01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:14.599 that's a loadstone reference, right, Oh for sure. 1145 01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:19.119 And so even think of the Philosopher's Stone too, is 1146 01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:23.320 alleged to be a black rock, a black substance. 1147 01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:26.000 Right there you go. Yeah, I completely agree. 1148 01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:29.360 I think the Philosopher's Stone is basically a central stone 1149 01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:32.079 sort of concept, and there's a lot to kind of 1150 01:05:32.119 --> 01:05:34.800 pull out with that, for sure. Have you seen videos, 1151 01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:37.800 Robbie of like people who go to Mecca and stuff 1152 01:05:37.880 --> 01:05:40.760 and then they're basically like putting their face into like 1153 01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:44.159 the silveroni there and there going nuts. 1154 01:05:43.639 --> 01:05:46.360 And kissing the goddess herself. 1155 01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:47.599 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. 1156 01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:53.000 Well I've talked to a couple of Muslims about you know, 1157 01:05:53.119 --> 01:05:55.440 the rocks that are in there, and all that I 1158 01:05:55.480 --> 01:05:59.079 can get from both the guys was there're just magic 1159 01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:05.119 rocks from heaven. So yeah, just walking. 1160 01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:07.000 Aren't they walking around it too? 1161 01:06:07.559 --> 01:06:11.800 They circle mambulated to the left seven times, seven times. 1162 01:06:11.880 --> 01:06:15.800 Yes, what I've heard you might already know this, but 1163 01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:19.199 what I heard is that the lore of the stone 1164 01:06:19.480 --> 01:06:22.079 is that it used to be white, right, and that 1165 01:06:22.239 --> 01:06:24.920 as man has kind of fallen from grace or sin 1166 01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:26.320 or whatever, that is turning. 1167 01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:29.400 Yeah, the tears of the age and the pain of 1168 01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:32.599 the time. And yes, I've turned that city in black. 1169 01:06:32.719 --> 01:06:35.239 Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. 1170 01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:38.880 So speaking of seven, if you just want to go 1171 01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:44.079 down to the next slide there. 1172 01:06:42.639 --> 01:06:44.599 Changed, I just do want to add with the star 1173 01:06:44.719 --> 01:06:48.159 without the circle around it. I have seen that that 1174 01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:50.639 stars like on the ceiling of the Oto lodges. It's 1175 01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:53.920 for uh, I think the Gnostic has for the Gnostic 1176 01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:56.719 mass and you have to have that on the on 1177 01:06:56.760 --> 01:06:59.960 the ceiling. And their ceiling is like pretty much black, 1178 01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:03.800 are almost like extremely dark blue, and I'll have that star. 1179 01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:07.480 And interesting enough, when I was at the Sistine Chapel, 1180 01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:11.480 they told us before Michelangelo painted the ceiling. That's exactly 1181 01:07:11.599 --> 01:07:14.400 what they had on theirs. Oh wow, it was that 1182 01:07:14.599 --> 01:07:17.039 star with the same colored background, and I was like, 1183 01:07:17.199 --> 01:07:18.519 that is interesting. 1184 01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:24.480 Yeah, that is I believe the throne for the Royalty 1185 01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:29.320 of England sits upon a rock. I forget what it's called. 1186 01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:35.559 This this rock which is just thank you, thank you. 1187 01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:39.639 That's always struck me as very very strange, how often 1188 01:07:39.719 --> 01:07:44.480 we humanity extols these ends upon rocks. 1189 01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:45.840 And there's the royalty. 1190 01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:49.960 Yeah, that stone that you're talking about, that that basically 1191 01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:53.800 they inaugurate the royalty under. They drag it out from 1192 01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:57.320 the Castle of Edinburgh whenever they're going to inaugurate the 1193 01:07:57.440 --> 01:07:59.880 king or the queen, whoever it is. But that is 1194 01:08:00.159 --> 01:08:04.119 the They say that it's the same stone that goes 1195 01:08:04.199 --> 01:08:09.639 back to Jacob and Jacob's pillow and basically the creating 1196 01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:11.519 Jacob's ladder, the access mundee. 1197 01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:15.719 Yeah, no, wow, it all it all relates that. 1198 01:08:16.279 --> 01:08:16.960 That's awesome. 1199 01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:21.279 What interesting thing about the Hebrew altars is that they 1200 01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:24.159 had to be made out of stone that was never 1201 01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:26.239 touched by any chisels, right. 1202 01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:29.840 Yeah, yep, no, exactly. 1203 01:08:30.279 --> 01:08:35.880 Yeah, you'll find the correspondence with these holy locations which 1204 01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:38.880 are subordinate to the original sort of holy location. The 1205 01:08:38.960 --> 01:08:43.880 stone symbolism is always generally sort of there, and sometimes 1206 01:08:43.880 --> 01:08:47.479 the central stone will be like a standing stone, right, 1207 01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:50.760 or like in Jerusalem, the temple mount has a big 1208 01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:55.039 stone underneath the dome the dome of the rock, right, 1209 01:08:55.119 --> 01:08:58.840 and so there's a hole in the middle of that rock, right, 1210 01:08:58.880 --> 01:09:00.800 which goes to like the and there's all sorts of 1211 01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:01.880 stuff going on down there. 1212 01:09:01.960 --> 01:09:06.640 Yes, And Jerusalem also has the highest number of standing 1213 01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:08.079 stones in the world. 1214 01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:11.880 Oh is that right? I didn't know that. Oh yeah, interesting, Yeah, 1215 01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:16.000 I can see that. And so sometimes isn't. 1216 01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:19.039 That rock supposed to be where Jake or where Abraham 1217 01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:21.720 was supposed to sacrifice Isaac. 1218 01:09:22.439 --> 01:09:24.760 The pillow itself. 1219 01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:29.479 The dome of the rock, the dome of the rock, Yes, yes, 1220 01:09:29.760 --> 01:09:35.119 And that altar goes from Isaac and Jacob all the 1221 01:09:35.119 --> 01:09:38.760 way back to that being the original altar of Adam 1222 01:09:38.800 --> 01:09:40.439 and Eve where. 1223 01:09:40.520 --> 01:09:44.239 Came to there you go, yeah, right, there you go, 1224 01:09:44.319 --> 01:09:46.560 man and well. 1225 01:09:46.399 --> 01:09:49.640 And then that was also where Adam and Eve had 1226 01:09:49.640 --> 01:09:52.560 built that hinge where that altar was because they were 1227 01:09:52.600 --> 01:09:57.000 watching the heavens, was said to be the exact point 1228 01:09:57.359 --> 01:09:59.720 that they had been cast out of the Garden of Eden. 1229 01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:04.800 So that is directly related to the Polestar. 1230 01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:08.359 Uh, please tell me more about this hinge. I don't 1231 01:10:08.359 --> 01:10:09.159 know if I know about that. 1232 01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:14.560 Yeah. So there's these stories that when the divine couple 1233 01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:18.520 was cast out of the you know, the Eden essentially 1234 01:10:19.239 --> 01:10:24.680 that they immediately set to watching the stars because they 1235 01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:27.920 were told that they would know the time of return 1236 01:10:28.319 --> 01:10:31.439 based upon the position of the stars. So they took 1237 01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:37.520 five rocks back to the five again here and basically 1238 01:10:37.560 --> 01:10:42.760 built this hinge of five stones from five sacred mountains 1239 01:10:42.840 --> 01:10:45.439 in in accordance of the you know, directions that they 1240 01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:49.560 brought them from, and then set up that original altar 1241 01:10:50.199 --> 01:10:57.560 that became the the altar for Isaac, the the and 1242 01:10:57.640 --> 01:11:01.520 the Escapegoat, as well as being the place where Solomon's 1243 01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:02.800 temple was eventually built. 1244 01:11:04.119 --> 01:11:04.840 Right wow. 1245 01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:09.800 Yeah, because the Pole Star two has been very obscurely 1246 01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:14.760 and not commonly referred to as the hinge Star because 1247 01:11:14.840 --> 01:11:18.920 its acts as that point of pivot obviously, right, And 1248 01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:21.880 that's really interesting too, the point where Cain killed Abel, 1249 01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:26.159 because what you're doing when you're kind of establishing a 1250 01:11:26.199 --> 01:11:33.439 pole is you're creating something for the people to revolve around, 1251 01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:37.760 and so you're creating something that's a stabilizing force. And 1252 01:11:37.880 --> 01:11:41.079 so there's a lot of symbolism with the pole and 1253 01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:44.279 the pole star relating to orientation, right, You're giving someone 1254 01:11:44.600 --> 01:11:50.119 a point of orientation, and this point that gets established. 1255 01:11:51.399 --> 01:11:55.079 That is way more of a thing for sedentary peoples. 1256 01:11:55.239 --> 01:11:59.560 I recently was reading about nomadic peoples versus stationary people's, right, 1257 01:11:59.600 --> 01:12:03.199 and sort of like the cultural and symbolic difference between 1258 01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:07.439 the two, it's really really fascinating. And Cain basically represents 1259 01:12:07.880 --> 01:12:11.319 more of that, the sort of gray culture, right, yeah, 1260 01:12:11.359 --> 01:12:15.199 and Able symbolically represented more of a pastoral hu together 1261 01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:19.199 yeah yeah, and that he apparently represented kind of like 1262 01:12:19.319 --> 01:12:22.439 symbolically nomadic peoples, right, the people who travel in this 1263 01:12:22.520 --> 01:12:27.039 and that so Cain killing Abel, I've heard is the 1264 01:12:27.079 --> 01:12:30.760 agrarians killing the nomadic people's basically well and preventing them 1265 01:12:30.760 --> 01:12:31.800 from moving, right. 1266 01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:36.119 And and Cain killing Abel because the lord quote unquote 1267 01:12:36.199 --> 01:12:39.920 didn't take his sacrifice of the best you know of 1268 01:12:39.960 --> 01:12:47.199 the fields, basically the appropriate sacrifice being the oldest that 1269 01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:50.920 was you know, unblemished, that was the purest in factor 1270 01:12:51.119 --> 01:12:55.239 was his brother Caine. So he was actually substituting Cain 1271 01:12:55.479 --> 01:12:57.960 for his offering of the the field. 1272 01:12:58.439 --> 01:13:02.239 M right right, Wow, I love all of that, dude. 1273 01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:07.640 That's really interesting, Nick, If you don't mind just going 1274 01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:11.239 to the next slide, So I see all of the 1275 01:13:11.319 --> 01:13:16.640 numbers relating downward. There you go a lot of numbers 1276 01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:18.680 relate to the north. I would say one of the 1277 01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:22.359 key ones is seven. Symbolically, what I've heard people say 1278 01:13:23.079 --> 01:13:27.439 is that it's almost as though the current world tree, 1279 01:13:27.720 --> 01:13:31.439 if there was one, is twelve branched, but the world 1280 01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:35.039 tree in the primordial tradition was seven branched. The number 1281 01:13:35.079 --> 01:13:38.279 seven is a really really important sort of thing. And 1282 01:13:38.439 --> 01:13:42.239 I actually think you get the number seven the glyph 1283 01:13:42.359 --> 01:13:44.319 the shape of the number seven. I think you get 1284 01:13:44.359 --> 01:13:46.119 it from Ursa Major. I think that's what it goes 1285 01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:48.960 back to. And so what you see here is Ursa 1286 01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:51.560 Major on the right hand side. This is how you 1287 01:13:51.640 --> 01:13:55.720 locate the Pole star. If you're ever looking stargazing, if 1288 01:13:55.720 --> 01:13:58.479 you can find Ursa Major, the big dipper, you just 1289 01:13:58.600 --> 01:14:00.640 look at the end of the vessel and then you 1290 01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:03.000 just create a straight line and you will see the 1291 01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:07.319 pole star, the north star. And the Pole Star is 1292 01:14:07.359 --> 01:14:10.159 one of seven stars that makes up Ursa Minor. It's 1293 01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:13.239 the tip of the handle. So when you're actually acknowledging 1294 01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:17.039 this movement, it's almost like two vessels revolving around this 1295 01:14:17.119 --> 01:14:20.000 central point of pivot. It's almost like they're pouring water 1296 01:14:20.039 --> 01:14:23.359 from one to the other. Which makes me wonder, actually 1297 01:14:23.439 --> 01:14:26.319 if this is being encoded in like the temperance card 1298 01:14:26.760 --> 01:14:29.239 in the major arcana, because you have seven stars of 1299 01:14:29.319 --> 01:14:32.720 Versu major, seven stars of Ursa minor, the temperance card 1300 01:14:32.760 --> 01:14:35.680 is actually number fourteen. People have said the number fourteen 1301 01:14:35.760 --> 01:14:39.520 is actually kind of a symbolic northern number, and. 1302 01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:43.600 That makes me think the reference to the waters on 1303 01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:44.359 the firmament. 1304 01:14:44.880 --> 01:14:50.199 Yeah, absolutely, the exactly. 1305 01:14:50.399 --> 01:14:50.600 Yeah. 1306 01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:55.920 Yeah, there's a ton of watery oceanic symbolism associated with 1307 01:14:55.960 --> 01:15:00.840 the northern sky, like it's insane, even including like in 1308 01:15:00.880 --> 01:15:05.399 the Vedic world, the Rishi's the seven sages coming from 1309 01:15:05.479 --> 01:15:07.680 the north. They each have a correspondence with one of 1310 01:15:07.720 --> 01:15:10.960 these stars, so in their world they literally I've come 1311 01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:15.199 across information literature that says that there are seven sages 1312 01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:18.239 come from the north and they each one of them 1313 01:15:18.279 --> 01:15:23.880 corresponds with a different star in Ursa major. So something 1314 01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:27.079 to consider. But if you go to the next slide, 1315 01:15:27.399 --> 01:15:31.199 you'll just see a simple sort of illustration of how 1316 01:15:31.239 --> 01:15:34.560 this creates the swastika. It's ursa major going around the 1317 01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:37.000 pole star. If you look at it once a season, 1318 01:15:37.279 --> 01:15:39.800 this is what you're going to see that Gates of 1319 01:15:39.800 --> 01:15:44.039 the Necronomicon book has a whole entire section in the 1320 01:15:44.079 --> 01:15:49.000 back where they basically it's completely outdated because the book 1321 01:15:49.079 --> 01:15:54.279 is old, but they basically have these rituals where you 1322 01:15:54.359 --> 01:15:58.119 conduct the ritual when the great bear is hanging from 1323 01:15:58.199 --> 01:16:01.159 its tail, and this is a reference to major right 1324 01:16:01.359 --> 01:16:04.560 or some major hanging from its tail going downwards. So 1325 01:16:04.640 --> 01:16:07.039 the tables in the back actually tell you when that's 1326 01:16:07.079 --> 01:16:10.239 going to happen. And if you just go to the 1327 01:16:10.279 --> 01:16:13.359 next slide, you'll see the number seven, So just showing 1328 01:16:13.399 --> 01:16:15.600 you I think that the number seven glyph comes from that, 1329 01:16:16.199 --> 01:16:18.479 and there's so much evidence to suggest that this is 1330 01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:21.159 the case. So if you go down one more you'll 1331 01:16:21.159 --> 01:16:24.680 see just an old map that I found at a friend's place. Right, 1332 01:16:24.760 --> 01:16:28.399 So this is the Arctic, so the North Pole, and 1333 01:16:28.439 --> 01:16:31.479 you'll see that it's septin trio. So sept is a 1334 01:16:31.520 --> 01:16:35.239 reference to like septinary as in like number seven, right, 1335 01:16:35.279 --> 01:16:39.039 So septin trio literally is a reference to the original 1336 01:16:39.119 --> 01:16:42.439 seven stars of the Northern Sky basically, So if you 1337 01:16:42.479 --> 01:16:46.279 just want to continue scrolling down, you'll see that Septin 1338 01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:51.600 trio equals north. And if you keep on going, what 1339 01:16:51.640 --> 01:16:55.159 I've read from some authors is that sept is actually 1340 01:16:55.239 --> 01:16:59.279 a reference to Set as well, if you go to 1341 01:16:59.319 --> 01:17:03.239 the next slide, and Set has a huge relationship with 1342 01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:06.600 the Northern Sky as well. He's either directly associated with 1343 01:17:06.720 --> 01:17:09.920 ursa Major or he's been said to hide behind ursa Major. 1344 01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:12.720 One of the things I've come across is that a 1345 01:17:12.760 --> 01:17:16.079 lot of the oldest deities come from the Northern Sky, 1346 01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:19.760 are associated with the Northern Sky. And one of my 1347 01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:22.079 good friends who got into a lot of this information 1348 01:17:22.319 --> 01:17:25.159 years and years before I ever did. He and we 1349 01:17:25.279 --> 01:17:26.920 disagree on a ton of things, but one of the 1350 01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:31.079 things he said was all people, supreme deity is in 1351 01:17:31.239 --> 01:17:34.600 Northern God, unbeknownst to them for the most part, but 1352 01:17:34.720 --> 01:17:36.800 that it all goes back to that, because that is 1353 01:17:36.880 --> 01:17:42.319 the supreme unifying center basically, and so there's no more powerful, 1354 01:17:42.319 --> 01:17:44.720 potent place that the gods could come from. 1355 01:17:45.039 --> 01:17:46.640 And I think this is why as well. 1356 01:17:46.760 --> 01:17:51.000 Lovecraft in his work he was referencing the most ancient, 1357 01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:55.039 primordial of gods which come from the North, which I 1358 01:17:55.079 --> 01:17:58.319 think pre date and precede a lot of newer gods. 1359 01:17:58.319 --> 01:18:01.600 So I would say that the Northern gods came before 1360 01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:05.680 even like the planetary gods, that the planetary gods are 1361 01:18:05.720 --> 01:18:09.600 actually a newer creation compared to Northern gods. 1362 01:18:09.640 --> 01:18:17.319 The first Bible assimilation was simply called the septugent, right there, 1363 01:18:17.359 --> 01:18:21.399 you go, right, Alexandria and I and I often wondered 1364 01:18:22.039 --> 01:18:26.600 why that was such a powerful thing that they could 1365 01:18:26.600 --> 01:18:31.079 just use that number. But now in seeing this and 1366 01:18:31.119 --> 01:18:34.840 what they're alluding to with just saying the septugent, that 1367 01:18:35.000 --> 01:18:39.479 the seventy chapter, I think is what it means. So 1368 01:18:39.479 --> 01:18:43.479 so just right to the kind of center, if you will, 1369 01:18:43.520 --> 01:18:44.720 of what you're saying there. 1370 01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:47.960 Well, interestingly, you know, you're talking about the idea of 1371 01:18:48.039 --> 01:18:55.119 these original Northern gods basically coming before the planetary gods 1372 01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:58.239 per se. Right, And if you look back at Mother 1373 01:18:58.319 --> 01:19:01.800 Kibbli and how she is essentially started out in Phrygia 1374 01:19:02.279 --> 01:19:07.079 and then you know, transversed into Greece and eventually they 1375 01:19:07.119 --> 01:19:10.600 bring her into Rome. The sibling prophecy says, bring this 1376 01:19:11.560 --> 01:19:16.199 Southeast Asian goddess into Rome, right, and she become They 1377 01:19:16.279 --> 01:19:20.560 set her up on Palatine Hill immediately, and she becomes 1378 01:19:20.680 --> 01:19:23.720 the mother of all the gods of Rome, which are 1379 01:19:23.800 --> 01:19:27.279 the planetary gods. And if you go back, she was 1380 01:19:27.319 --> 01:19:31.159 originally this polar god like I was talking about the 1381 01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:34.319 mountain and the cave and the portal that transitions, and 1382 01:19:34.359 --> 01:19:38.119 they bring her in and then all of the planetary 1383 01:19:38.159 --> 01:19:42.840 gods start to take place ritual places within the worship 1384 01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:44.560 of Mother Kibili in Rome. 1385 01:19:46.000 --> 01:19:49.239 There you go, man, Yeah, that's perfect, exactly right. That 1386 01:19:49.319 --> 01:19:52.760 makes a lot of sense to me. And we'll be 1387 01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:55.600 getting into a little bit more of a goddess symbolism 1388 01:19:55.640 --> 01:19:57.399 as it relates to the North too, because it really 1389 01:19:57.439 --> 01:20:01.119 it's so relevant if you just want to cruise to 1390 01:20:01.159 --> 01:20:05.680 the next slide, very simple, you know, seven seven days 1391 01:20:05.680 --> 01:20:08.680 of creation, seven heaven, seven seas, wonders of the world, 1392 01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:12.680 seven sages, the hermetic principles for what it's worth, the 1393 01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:16.079 mythraic degrees, et cetera, et cetera. Right, So the number 1394 01:20:16.119 --> 01:20:20.680 seven is so significant, and I see it that it 1395 01:20:20.720 --> 01:20:25.000 relates more to this northern business than like any other 1396 01:20:25.079 --> 01:20:28.520 place that I've come across. And so when you go 1397 01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:35.000 to the next slide. You know, there we go. You know, 1398 01:20:35.159 --> 01:20:37.960 when you're looking at the seven pointed star and you 1399 01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:41.399 see all these sevens around, I think it's all encoded 1400 01:20:41.479 --> 01:20:44.239 northern symbolism stuff. I think this is a reference to 1401 01:20:44.239 --> 01:20:47.279 the North Star basically, like almost a clear reference to it. 1402 01:20:47.680 --> 01:20:51.640 And the feminine symbolism is there with that Vesica Pisces, 1403 01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:52.399 you know, sort of. 1404 01:20:52.359 --> 01:20:54.680 In the middle Babylon. 1405 01:20:55.560 --> 01:21:01.000 The Babylonian symbolism on like with multiple myths, completely corresponds 1406 01:21:01.039 --> 01:21:04.640 to northern symbolism in my opinion. In the next slide, 1407 01:21:04.680 --> 01:21:07.560 I have the Horror of Babylon as well. She's always 1408 01:21:07.560 --> 01:21:12.359 depicted with what a seven headed beast, right, and so 1409 01:21:12.960 --> 01:21:16.720 it's all northern in my opinion. And then if you 1410 01:21:16.720 --> 01:21:20.039 go to the next slide, it's just a simple star card, right. 1411 01:21:20.079 --> 01:21:24.079 But this is from Lon Milo Duquet, who's, you know, 1412 01:21:24.119 --> 01:21:29.520 an occultist author guy. But the card corresponds with Aquarius. 1413 01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:32.399 And so one of my favorite videos that I put 1414 01:21:32.439 --> 01:21:36.239 together has been correlating a lot of Aquarian symbolism with 1415 01:21:36.560 --> 01:21:42.119 northern symbolism and the Pole star. And so to me, 1416 01:21:42.359 --> 01:21:45.920 when you're making a reference to this card that is 1417 01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:48.720 the Northern star, it's to me, it doesn't make sense 1418 01:21:48.760 --> 01:21:52.680 that it's basically any other star, considering when you sort 1419 01:21:52.720 --> 01:21:55.720 of like understand the hierarchy of things, right, That's one 1420 01:21:55.720 --> 01:21:58.399 thing that I'm really trying to acknowledge these days, is 1421 01:21:58.439 --> 01:22:02.680 the spiritual hierarchy of things and kind of what's more primordial, 1422 01:22:02.840 --> 01:22:06.640 what's more central, what came later, what's related to you know, 1423 01:22:06.720 --> 01:22:10.359 more modern sort of stuff or whatever. And then the 1424 01:22:10.439 --> 01:22:14.720 last two cards here, I just have more star cards basically, 1425 01:22:14.760 --> 01:22:17.800 but you'll see that it's a tradition to show the 1426 01:22:17.840 --> 01:22:22.840 central star surrounded by seven other stars, right, and so 1427 01:22:22.920 --> 01:22:24.600 to me it's pretty clear. And then she has the 1428 01:22:24.600 --> 01:22:26.920 two vessels. It just reminds me of the dippers and 1429 01:22:27.199 --> 01:22:35.439 everything else. And then the Crowley version, so he has 1430 01:22:35.960 --> 01:22:42.880 three sort of spiraling three or four like spiraling stars, 1431 01:22:42.960 --> 01:22:52.399 and they all are are seven pointed. Since you're looking 1432 01:22:52.439 --> 01:22:55.159 at the slides, one of the things I definitely want 1433 01:22:55.199 --> 01:23:00.800 to show people is a slide number three, three and four. 1434 01:23:01.640 --> 01:23:03.840 So I mean, no one has to take my word 1435 01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:04.359 for any of this. 1436 01:23:04.680 --> 01:23:06.319 I know you guys are down, you guys are adding 1437 01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:10.079 a lot of great information, you know, to the conversation. 1438 01:23:10.279 --> 01:23:13.439 But what I did was I actually put together a 1439 01:23:13.479 --> 01:23:18.880 pdf called polar Symbolism, and I list twenty seven books 1440 01:23:19.279 --> 01:23:23.920 that I've either completely read through or have done like 1441 01:23:25.039 --> 01:23:28.479 you know, I basically skimmed through for certain terms and 1442 01:23:28.800 --> 01:23:32.319 keywords and whatever that have really like helped inform me 1443 01:23:33.399 --> 01:23:36.239 about all of this stuff. And so there's actually a 1444 01:23:36.399 --> 01:23:39.560 lot more information out there than people realize. And so 1445 01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:42.359 you can find that on my website, Symbolic Studies dot 1446 01:23:42.399 --> 01:23:44.840 com and it's on the top banner when you go 1447 01:23:44.880 --> 01:23:45.520 to the site. 1448 01:23:45.720 --> 01:23:46.359 But if you go to. 1449 01:23:46.319 --> 01:23:50.159 The next slide, I just basically took out those books 1450 01:23:50.159 --> 01:23:52.960 and just put them here so that people can just 1451 01:23:52.960 --> 01:23:54.199 take a screenshot if they're. 1452 01:23:54.000 --> 01:24:01.720 Watching this and they don't want to go to the website. 1453 01:24:03.239 --> 01:24:04.640 That's a great listen, thank you. 1454 01:24:05.359 --> 01:24:06.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. 1455 01:24:07.359 --> 01:24:08.119 Yeah, that's great. 1456 01:24:10.319 --> 01:24:11.279 Uh yeah. 1457 01:24:11.359 --> 01:24:13.720 I mean there's a million other things we could talk about. 1458 01:24:13.800 --> 01:24:15.840 I have a handful of quotes and everything else, but 1459 01:24:16.520 --> 01:24:19.720 I think, uh, I don't know, you guys get the idea. 1460 01:24:19.960 --> 01:24:21.720 We can talk about whatever else from here. If you 1461 01:24:21.760 --> 01:24:25.680 guys have any questions or you know, further sort of insights. 1462 01:24:27.279 --> 01:24:30.119 If I have anything they wanted to add, you know. 1463 01:24:30.079 --> 01:24:34.079 I'll add I'll add real quick something that actually Nick 1464 01:24:34.239 --> 01:24:37.119 and I forget who all else we did the show with. 1465 01:24:37.560 --> 01:24:42.399 We were looking at the pillar or, which is etymologically 1466 01:24:42.439 --> 01:24:49.159 related to Pull. Of course, the pillars relationship, and there 1467 01:24:49.279 --> 01:24:54.680 is another trinity that they represent, which I think can 1468 01:24:54.760 --> 01:24:57.520 be best summed up or a great way to look 1469 01:24:57.560 --> 01:25:05.520 at it anyway is h reservation, creation, and destruction. And 1470 01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:12.119 this these three pillars, if you will, or forces are 1471 01:25:12.159 --> 01:25:17.119 in a sense the trinity also, and they're set up 1472 01:25:17.680 --> 01:25:25.399 to deal with the chaos that is set right and 1473 01:25:25.520 --> 01:25:28.960 that being the unsaid forth in that and and also 1474 01:25:29.479 --> 01:25:34.479 a good aspector or in Egypt. Anyway, a positive symbolic 1475 01:25:34.640 --> 01:25:40.640 aspect of Set was that he is symbolic for the 1476 01:25:40.680 --> 01:25:44.880 clout and he would and you mentioned some of that 1477 01:25:45.159 --> 01:25:50.199 symbolism earlier related to it. But he is very chaotic 1478 01:25:51.000 --> 01:25:54.640 and comes into that you know, new or or we 1479 01:25:54.680 --> 01:25:57.439 have to be planted land and presents that chaos which 1480 01:25:57.479 --> 01:25:59.840 you fill up and make make nice. 1481 01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:01.840 Right, right. Yeah. 1482 01:26:01.880 --> 01:26:07.159 I actually I interviewed a modern day Setian maybe like 1483 01:26:07.199 --> 01:26:09.119 a year and a half ago, and that's on my 1484 01:26:09.199 --> 01:26:11.680 YouTube channel if people would want to hear that conversation. 1485 01:26:11.840 --> 01:26:14.359 And I got interested in Set because of the Northern 1486 01:26:14.399 --> 01:26:19.399 correspondence with everything, and what this guy said and what 1487 01:26:19.439 --> 01:26:22.479 I've read as well, is that back in the day, 1488 01:26:23.039 --> 01:26:25.800 and there's different traditions that basically do a very similar 1489 01:26:25.800 --> 01:26:30.279 sort of thing, but that if you had an adversarial 1490 01:26:31.159 --> 01:26:36.199 sort of deity that you wanted to sort of combat, 1491 01:26:36.680 --> 01:26:39.880 that you wanted to have a god that was equally 1492 01:26:40.239 --> 01:26:44.800 as chaotic as that adversary or more primordial than that 1493 01:26:44.920 --> 01:26:48.840 adversarial figure. And so Set was sort of the chaotic 1494 01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:51.680 god for good basically is kind of how it was 1495 01:26:51.720 --> 01:26:53.239 explained to me pretty much. 1496 01:26:53.720 --> 01:26:55.880 And actually, Nick, if you. 1497 01:26:55.880 --> 01:26:59.439 Want to go to the next slide down, I have 1498 01:26:59.520 --> 01:27:04.520 a quote about chaos and Set and everything else, and 1499 01:27:04.600 --> 01:27:06.640 so this is from Peter Lavenda. I'm pretty sure this 1500 01:27:06.720 --> 01:27:10.920 is from his Dark Lord book, and he says chaos 1501 01:27:11.000 --> 01:27:13.880 is associated in Egypt and in the Near and Middle 1502 01:27:13.920 --> 01:27:17.680 East of the period with Set and with set Typhon, 1503 01:27:18.239 --> 01:27:20.760 and the star to which the creed refers could only 1504 01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:24.199 be the pole star with its seven circumpolar attendants, the 1505 01:27:24.199 --> 01:27:27.119 Big Dipper, or as it was known in Egypt, the 1506 01:27:27.159 --> 01:27:31.199 thigh of Set. The very important statement concerning one star 1507 01:27:31.520 --> 01:27:33.760 in the company of stars of whose fire we are 1508 01:27:33.800 --> 01:27:38.640 created into which we shall return, implies the extraterrestrial origins 1509 01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:43.439 of humanity and, by extension, its ultimate destination. This star 1510 01:27:43.560 --> 01:27:46.239 has been identified as the son of whom the Father 1511 01:27:46.399 --> 01:27:49.119 is the sole wece regent. But I believe this is 1512 01:27:49.159 --> 01:27:52.359 a blind as were the seven planets of mythrism for 1513 01:27:52.439 --> 01:27:55.920 the real Sun, which is the immortal Polestar, a sun 1514 01:27:55.960 --> 01:27:59.760 that never rises or sets, but which sits unmoving directly 1515 01:27:59.800 --> 01:28:00.359 over head. 1516 01:28:01.520 --> 01:28:01.760 Right. 1517 01:28:02.920 --> 01:28:06.359 So I think he really to me, it's interesting that 1518 01:28:06.399 --> 01:28:08.159 he's the guy that's kind of coming out with a 1519 01:28:08.159 --> 01:28:11.119 lot of this stuff, clearly because I can't say I 1520 01:28:11.199 --> 01:28:14.720 agree with his whole body of work and things like that, 1521 01:28:14.800 --> 01:28:17.760 and you know who he's connected with and things like that. 1522 01:28:17.800 --> 01:28:19.359 I just I don't know too much about him on 1523 01:28:19.359 --> 01:28:21.520 that level. I've heard things here and there. I've heard 1524 01:28:21.520 --> 01:28:25.800 whispers and stuff. But he definitely knows about this symbolism, 1525 01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:29.439 and I think there's more people that do than you 1526 01:28:29.479 --> 01:28:33.079 would realize. Actually, it's so interesting. I'm starting to talk. 1527 01:28:33.119 --> 01:28:35.279 I don't know if you guys are familiar with Emily Moyer, 1528 01:28:36.319 --> 01:28:38.800 but she does some pretty good work and she's really 1529 01:28:38.880 --> 01:28:43.479 into the DJ techno scene. And we had a conversation 1530 01:28:43.560 --> 01:28:48.159 on her podcast, and she's exposing me to like several 1531 01:28:48.279 --> 01:28:52.119 DJs that really put a lot of polar Northern symbolism 1532 01:28:52.119 --> 01:28:55.560 into their artwork and stuff like that, and it's really 1533 01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:57.720 interesting to me that this would even be the case. 1534 01:28:58.319 --> 01:29:00.880 And even in like The Metal War, which is mostly 1535 01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:04.359 what I listened to, there's a lot of bands that 1536 01:29:04.359 --> 01:29:07.359 have had pole Star songs or alluded to it in 1537 01:29:07.399 --> 01:29:09.680 like different ways, and like it's kind of like has 1538 01:29:09.680 --> 01:29:11.920 been part of the artwork and things like that. So 1539 01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:15.680 it's it's more of a thing than people realize. You 1540 01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:17.880 just have to kind of go out and read some 1541 01:29:17.920 --> 01:29:20.600 of this material or you know, want to know more 1542 01:29:20.600 --> 01:29:21.439 about it basically. 1543 01:29:22.880 --> 01:29:25.600 So now, also with if you look at the work 1544 01:29:25.640 --> 01:29:30.600 of Kenneth Grant in his Typhony and Mysteries, he talks 1545 01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:33.960 about the seven pointed Star and relates it relates it 1546 01:29:33.960 --> 01:29:35.960 to isis how were you talking about the dog star 1547 01:29:36.319 --> 01:29:39.479 relating to the poll star earlier? But he also says 1548 01:29:39.560 --> 01:29:45.239 that that seven pointed star being the Goddess, that the 1549 01:29:45.560 --> 01:29:49.319 center of that seven pointed star, the hub of the 1550 01:29:49.359 --> 01:29:51.399 star itself is set. 1551 01:29:52.319 --> 01:29:55.079 Yeah I've heard that as well, Yeah exactly, Yeah, Yeah, 1552 01:29:55.159 --> 01:29:57.800 I got into Kenneth Grant because of all of this 1553 01:29:58.640 --> 01:30:01.399 and one of the things I have haven't like completely 1554 01:30:01.439 --> 01:30:03.760 dove into his entire body of work, but I do 1555 01:30:03.800 --> 01:30:07.359 appreciate what I have read of his. But if you 1556 01:30:07.479 --> 01:30:10.479 look at what is it The Night Side of Eden, 1557 01:30:11.119 --> 01:30:15.520 you know, it's all about going to the tree of death, 1558 01:30:15.560 --> 01:30:19.079 basically crossing over the clipophic tree and things like that. 1559 01:30:19.680 --> 01:30:24.199 And basically he associates Doth, which has a correspondence with death. 1560 01:30:25.680 --> 01:30:29.159 He corresponds doth as do other people with the North. 1561 01:30:29.319 --> 01:30:32.000 He makes that very clear that that doth as the 1562 01:30:32.079 --> 01:30:35.279 hidden separates that will take you to the other side, 1563 01:30:36.079 --> 01:30:38.439 is associated with the North, which makes it just a 1564 01:30:38.479 --> 01:30:41.720 ton of sense. The portal, it's the portal, Yeah, exactly. 1565 01:30:46.119 --> 01:30:48.720 So let me see here if there's any key quotes 1566 01:30:48.760 --> 01:30:50.960 that I should read since you still have a. 1567 01:30:52.800 --> 01:30:58.520 Yeah, there's several. Let's see, maybe go to. 1568 01:31:01.760 --> 01:31:05.279 The one right above that one. There you go, it's 1569 01:31:05.279 --> 01:31:09.439 just another guanan. Yeah. So uh. If solar symbolism has 1570 01:31:09.479 --> 01:31:12.760 an obvious relationship with day, polar symbolism, for its part, 1571 01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:16.039 has a certain relationship with night. And it is significant 1572 01:31:16.119 --> 01:31:19.439 in this respect that the midnight sun should have in 1573 01:31:20.600 --> 01:31:25.119 order of sensory phenomena, it's literal representation in the Hyperborean 1574 01:31:25.199 --> 01:31:28.079 regions that is the very place of origin of the 1575 01:31:28.119 --> 01:31:33.560 Primorial tradition, right, Yeah, so the midnight sun being a 1576 01:31:33.600 --> 01:31:37.159 reference to some of this, and then uh yeah, there 1577 01:31:37.199 --> 01:31:41.840 you go. I mean, like I said, there's a million 1578 01:31:41.880 --> 01:31:44.279 other things we can pull that, but I think we 1579 01:31:44.319 --> 01:31:45.439 covered some pretty good ground. 1580 01:31:46.119 --> 01:31:48.359 Yeah. 1581 01:31:49.319 --> 01:31:54.720 Uh TJ. Did you want me to pull up your stuff? Oh? 1582 01:31:54.800 --> 01:31:58.920 Sorry, god, no, no, I was on mute. Yeah. 1583 01:31:58.960 --> 01:32:02.840 Sure, I've just been sitting back just soaking it all in, 1584 01:32:03.399 --> 01:32:05.960 running it through my own process, or just like it's 1585 01:32:05.960 --> 01:32:06.800 been very nice. 1586 01:32:07.000 --> 01:32:08.920 It's been very good, very good reservation. 1587 01:32:09.960 --> 01:32:11.640 There we go, switch. 1588 01:32:11.479 --> 01:32:14.680 Right right off the hop. 1589 01:32:14.760 --> 01:32:17.520 But I found interesting too that I found out well 1590 01:32:17.920 --> 01:32:21.680 that image was there was the circle with the starfish 1591 01:32:21.680 --> 01:32:24.359 in it, or like the five pointed the five divisions 1592 01:32:24.359 --> 01:32:27.439 of it. So you would take three point one four 1593 01:32:27.680 --> 01:32:31.840 pie or or pie like continued on divided by five 1594 01:32:32.520 --> 01:32:34.840 to get like a length or a clue into what 1595 01:32:35.760 --> 01:32:37.680 each of those lines would represent, and the number you 1596 01:32:37.720 --> 01:32:41.800 get would be point six two, so polar equals point 1597 01:32:41.840 --> 01:32:45.279 six to two. And you kept bringing that, you kept 1598 01:32:45.359 --> 01:32:49.880 like referencing the way that polar is this very dark 1599 01:32:50.079 --> 01:32:52.239 kind of thing like and could be connected with the 1600 01:32:52.279 --> 01:32:54.920 black magic. I tried to keep it a little more positive, 1601 01:32:55.000 --> 01:32:58.600 but black magic all sequals sixty two, and like poland 1602 01:32:58.600 --> 01:33:01.279 equals sixty two, which is like, it's ridiculous. 1603 01:33:02.359 --> 01:33:03.319 I think it's interesting. 1604 01:33:03.399 --> 01:33:05.680 Punk equals sixty two interesting. 1605 01:33:09.039 --> 01:33:12.760 And then that equation at the bottom there is the 1606 01:33:12.760 --> 01:33:17.239 equation for gravity equals sixty two. So with the polar 1607 01:33:17.279 --> 01:33:21.760 and the gravity, that's like, oh wow, very cool. And 1608 01:33:21.800 --> 01:33:26.960 then on the right music is just a very good 1609 01:33:27.039 --> 01:33:33.319 representation of the number sixty five, and sixty five would 1610 01:33:33.359 --> 01:33:37.399 be like six the harmony five the energy, so like 1611 01:33:37.479 --> 01:33:44.359 harmonizing the energy, whereas sixty two would be like trying 1612 01:33:44.399 --> 01:33:46.720 to add heart the six, trying to add harmony to 1613 01:33:46.840 --> 01:33:51.760 the emotions, which would like it's almost like emotional like 1614 01:33:51.840 --> 01:33:56.039 hexing the emotions. And then also with like solar it 1615 01:33:56.119 --> 01:34:00.560 equally to fourteen. That's like Valentine's Day, just music, like 1616 01:34:00.720 --> 01:34:03.960 just like that kind of kind of thing that's interesting. 1617 01:34:03.600 --> 01:34:06.760 With it the singing of the spheres. 1618 01:34:07.960 --> 01:34:11.279 Yeah, that's really interesting with the sixty two. 1619 01:34:13.520 --> 01:34:15.479 And then I wonder if the p and the polar, 1620 01:34:15.600 --> 01:34:19.000 because we have the chrysogram and we're gonna break this 1621 01:34:19.159 --> 01:34:21.399 down a bit. And the way that I set up 1622 01:34:21.399 --> 01:34:25.279 my charts too, we're going clockwise around, so your east 1623 01:34:25.359 --> 01:34:27.960 would be aries on the left, that's the only thing 1624 01:34:27.960 --> 01:34:30.399 that I'd be reversed, and your north would be like 1625 01:34:30.479 --> 01:34:34.600 the Gemini cancer and there's that. So the P, so 1626 01:34:35.439 --> 01:34:37.600 I was just like pondering the P and the S. 1627 01:34:38.560 --> 01:34:40.720 We can go to the next slide. And then I 1628 01:34:40.800 --> 01:34:42.800 realized this one too today that just kind of blew 1629 01:34:42.840 --> 01:34:45.199 my mind. Was like S, It's like eight is hidden 1630 01:34:45.239 --> 01:34:48.239 in Satan as well, which is very interesting. But then 1631 01:34:48.399 --> 01:34:53.680 S is the nineteenth letter and the eighth prime number 1632 01:34:53.880 --> 01:34:57.079 is nineteen, and then like, yeah, the S is just 1633 01:34:57.119 --> 01:34:59.520 like the dynamics. It's like the night and the day, 1634 01:34:59.720 --> 01:35:03.000 which is more the solar So that like makes sense 1635 01:35:03.079 --> 01:35:08.199 in that regards, and we keep going, there's only like two. 1636 01:35:08.119 --> 01:35:14.079 More well, and it's also the sign wave yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 1637 01:35:14.479 --> 01:35:17.239 which is the cosmic water that the Age of Aquarius 1638 01:35:17.279 --> 01:35:17.960 is pouring out. 1639 01:35:19.199 --> 01:35:21.800 So then if you if you embark on this journey 1640 01:35:22.239 --> 01:35:27.039 and you you go through the death or the Tower 1641 01:35:27.079 --> 01:35:28.920 of the p and then you go on your quest 1642 01:35:29.239 --> 01:35:32.520 and you pass the tests, you triumph or whatever, there's 1643 01:35:32.560 --> 01:35:36.479 two possibilities after that. So you either become you, but 1644 01:35:36.640 --> 01:35:39.680 you yourself is the ego and you have to let 1645 01:35:39.680 --> 01:35:43.279 that a go. And you can't spell any Q words 1646 01:35:43.319 --> 01:35:45.800 without a U. And when you put the Q on 1647 01:35:45.880 --> 01:35:48.319 the chart, that's right where O fucus would be, which 1648 01:35:48.359 --> 01:35:51.119 is the letter you. So it's about like if you 1649 01:35:51.720 --> 01:35:54.520 just become yourself and the ego, you almost like have 1650 01:35:54.600 --> 01:35:57.079 to go through the process again to like relearn the 1651 01:35:57.159 --> 01:35:59.920 journey or you've kind of passed it. If that's what 1652 01:36:00.079 --> 01:36:02.119 you see like a fucus to be as well, where 1653 01:36:02.119 --> 01:36:05.119 you've pulled the snake apart and you like flipped the 1654 01:36:05.159 --> 01:36:06.479 egg essentially, kind of thing. 1655 01:36:07.399 --> 01:36:09.359 I love that. I have to comment on this real quick. 1656 01:36:09.479 --> 01:36:15.319 Yeah, So my understanding of a fucus on an esoteric 1657 01:36:15.399 --> 01:36:19.239 level is that it's actually completely northern and polar, and 1658 01:36:19.359 --> 01:36:22.880 it's almost like a symbolic escape from the zodiac, from 1659 01:36:22.920 --> 01:36:26.319 the solar zodiac right right, And so I've heard it 1660 01:36:26.359 --> 01:36:28.880 be referred to as like literally an exit from the 1661 01:36:28.960 --> 01:36:32.199 zodiac or a bend in a river, something along these lines. 1662 01:36:32.760 --> 01:36:35.920 And when you look at the ecliptic and the constellations 1663 01:36:36.000 --> 01:36:39.000 along the path of the sun, a Fucus is clearly 1664 01:36:39.079 --> 01:36:42.720 more northern than the other constellations, and I think it's 1665 01:36:42.720 --> 01:36:46.880 interesting that a Fucus is also ruled by Mercury, and 1666 01:36:47.000 --> 01:36:51.880 Mercury has so much polar phallic pillar symbolism it's completely nuts. 1667 01:36:52.359 --> 01:36:55.199 And so I feel like Mercury actually is like a 1668 01:36:55.239 --> 01:36:58.359 good gateway into some polar symbolism. Or if you start 1669 01:36:58.399 --> 01:37:01.119 looking into this, stuff is going to come to mind 1670 01:37:01.199 --> 01:37:04.039 over and over and over and over for various reasons. 1671 01:37:04.079 --> 01:37:07.079 And just to just expand on that briefly, I've heard that, 1672 01:37:07.479 --> 01:37:10.119 or at least what I put forward is that with 1673 01:37:10.239 --> 01:37:15.600 Mercury there's lunar, solar and polar symbolism completely baked into 1674 01:37:15.600 --> 01:37:17.520 the story of mercury. In my opinion from what I 1675 01:37:17.560 --> 01:37:20.479 can gather, that there's this triune sort of dynamic with mercury. 1676 01:37:21.039 --> 01:37:24.239 But yeah, O Fucus, I see this as kind of 1677 01:37:24.239 --> 01:37:26.920 like what you're saying, I kind of interpret it as 1678 01:37:26.960 --> 01:37:30.239 like following your true north, following your true authenticity, getting 1679 01:37:30.239 --> 01:37:30.840 to your center. 1680 01:37:32.600 --> 01:37:36.560 Well, also, when you look at the Zadaika wheel as 1681 01:37:36.560 --> 01:37:41.439 far as cancer being that northernmost point, the Freemasons consider 1682 01:37:41.520 --> 01:37:47.920 the keystone to be answer and within Judaism, the keystone 1683 01:37:48.119 --> 01:37:50.079 is considered to be peace or shalom. 1684 01:37:51.640 --> 01:37:52.039 There you go. 1685 01:37:52.119 --> 01:37:53.960 Yeah, that was something I was going to mention too, right, 1686 01:37:55.479 --> 01:37:58.479 and so Royal arch Freemasonry. That's one of the best 1687 01:37:58.520 --> 01:38:01.640 videos I put together in my opinion, very short, very brief, 1688 01:38:01.680 --> 01:38:04.600 but I talk about this whole entire dynamic. Yea, the 1689 01:38:04.680 --> 01:38:07.560 keystone northern sort of thing. And then just real quick too, 1690 01:38:07.680 --> 01:38:10.680 you brought up the tower to me. The tower card 1691 01:38:10.760 --> 01:38:13.920 is really modeled off of the Tower of Babble, and 1692 01:38:14.680 --> 01:38:18.359 oftentimes it's said that there was seven steps to the tower, right, 1693 01:38:18.439 --> 01:38:21.199 and so it seems like with alchemy and with this 1694 01:38:21.279 --> 01:38:25.800 transcendental sort of dynamic of going to the northern sort 1695 01:38:25.840 --> 01:38:29.279 of opening, that the seven is always included in so 1696 01:38:29.319 --> 01:38:32.560 many different ways seven steps or seven veils. I know, 1697 01:38:32.640 --> 01:38:34.600 it's even been said like an Islam there's like I 1698 01:38:34.600 --> 01:38:37.000 think it's seventy thousand vales between you and the face 1699 01:38:37.039 --> 01:38:37.399 of God. 1700 01:38:37.439 --> 01:38:38.680 That's like one way they put it. 1701 01:38:39.439 --> 01:38:42.399 But anyways, continue dude, I'm appreciating what you're putting out there. 1702 01:38:42.600 --> 01:38:44.880 Yeah, and that's even why I like arrange the wheel 1703 01:38:45.000 --> 01:38:47.399 in that order too, is like the Masonic arch and 1704 01:38:47.439 --> 01:38:49.520 like kind of reference to that's why, Like I set 1705 01:38:49.520 --> 01:38:51.680 it up that way and it's clockwise, just like easy 1706 01:38:51.720 --> 01:38:54.000 to understand the two lines at the top there. It 1707 01:38:54.000 --> 01:38:56.479 had as the walls, the summer wall, and that just 1708 01:38:56.520 --> 01:38:58.279 adds to the egg and the egg go because it's 1709 01:38:58.359 --> 01:39:01.239 humpty dumpty. You sit on the wall, you go, you 1710 01:39:01.319 --> 01:39:04.640 have a great fall falls awesome, but it's like kind 1711 01:39:04.640 --> 01:39:06.920 of the little riddle of it, but you and then 1712 01:39:06.960 --> 01:39:10.399 it takes all the kings horses Sagittarius and all the 1713 01:39:10.479 --> 01:39:13.079 king's men Aquarius to put humpty dumpy back together again. 1714 01:39:13.680 --> 01:39:16.880 So it's that dark process at the end there. So 1715 01:39:16.920 --> 01:39:19.399 that's like the summer wall that just fits with the 1716 01:39:19.399 --> 01:39:22.039 portal or the polar and all that stuff. 1717 01:39:23.680 --> 01:39:27.159 Also, cancer takes place for the most part during the 1718 01:39:27.199 --> 01:39:28.039 seventh month. 1719 01:39:27.880 --> 01:39:29.119 Of the year, which is yeah. 1720 01:39:28.960 --> 01:39:35.600 Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah. And then P would be 1721 01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:40.399 uh sixteen like one plus six the sixteenth letter P, 1722 01:39:40.680 --> 01:39:42.079 so that adds to the seven. 1723 01:39:42.520 --> 01:39:42.680 Oh. 1724 01:39:45.520 --> 01:39:48.600 But if you've if you worked on your ego and 1725 01:39:48.640 --> 01:39:52.079 you process it, you don't you become one, like you 1726 01:39:52.159 --> 01:39:54.239 become the one or you like pass the test and 1727 01:39:54.279 --> 01:39:56.439 you're not like, don't think you're like the coolest for 1728 01:39:56.479 --> 01:39:58.199 passing the test and you don't like get in your 1729 01:39:58.239 --> 01:40:03.479 ego or whatever. Then you become the UV, the UV light, 1730 01:40:03.520 --> 01:40:05.520 and then you would figure out what that light is. 1731 01:40:05.600 --> 01:40:07.560 It's like you'd get your glow. You would be the 1732 01:40:07.600 --> 01:40:11.760 one with that glow, and then it's like short or 1733 01:40:11.840 --> 01:40:14.159 long story short, it's just like after that, it's the 1734 01:40:14.319 --> 01:40:15.119 WU get the win. 1735 01:40:16.600 --> 01:40:17.600 At X, it's. 1736 01:40:17.479 --> 01:40:20.720 Another cross similar to the T, but it's where you 1737 01:40:20.800 --> 01:40:24.439 learn how to swing the axe. It's the axis. It's 1738 01:40:24.439 --> 01:40:26.960 where you learn the exit. It's the same with like 1739 01:40:27.359 --> 01:40:31.359 Jack and the beanstock. With the swing of the axe, 1740 01:40:31.359 --> 01:40:32.399 he defeats the giant. 1741 01:40:32.920 --> 01:40:36.439 So it's like it's like the. 1742 01:40:36.520 --> 01:40:38.920 W's like you think you win, and then the boss 1743 01:40:38.920 --> 01:40:40.840 comes back one more time and that's like the X 1744 01:40:40.880 --> 01:40:43.640 and it's like the final thing and then the Y 1745 01:40:43.800 --> 01:40:46.560 you learn why you went through all that and then 1746 01:40:46.680 --> 01:40:49.760 when you go through this process the very end, the 1747 01:40:49.880 --> 01:40:52.039 Z is much like the omega where you just see 1748 01:40:52.039 --> 01:40:55.520 the beauty. Like for me, when I like understood this, 1749 01:40:55.640 --> 01:40:57.880 it was like I could see like the quantum strings 1750 01:40:57.920 --> 01:41:01.279 of the universe like orchestrating together kind of thing like 1751 01:41:01.319 --> 01:41:05.439 in like like peaceful like nature's meditation, but kind of thing. 1752 01:41:05.640 --> 01:41:07.399 But it's like you just saw it, like really saw 1753 01:41:07.439 --> 01:41:10.880 the beauty, and so that's just like the process of that. 1754 01:41:15.239 --> 01:41:17.319 And then it's like ps so it's like the polar 1755 01:41:17.399 --> 01:41:18.359 solar kind of thing. 1756 01:41:18.479 --> 01:41:20.439 So like that's the little secret or it's like the 1757 01:41:20.479 --> 01:41:26.199 little extra thing at the end, right, I like PostScript 1758 01:41:27.239 --> 01:41:29.199 another one on that in the phallic I think I 1759 01:41:29.239 --> 01:41:31.439 wrote it the right way is like if you have 1760 01:41:31.479 --> 01:41:35.079 your north south and your east west and you labeled 1761 01:41:35.079 --> 01:41:40.560 it uh P, you get p NS right, which would 1762 01:41:40.600 --> 01:41:43.000 be phallic, and then the other way you get. 1763 01:41:42.880 --> 01:41:46.239 So and with the cross in there you almost get 1764 01:41:46.239 --> 01:41:46.800 the eye. 1765 01:41:47.239 --> 01:41:50.399 And if you were sewing, like it's like that's that 1766 01:41:50.479 --> 01:41:52.640 would be your solar. So it's like the sun the 1767 01:41:52.720 --> 01:41:55.119 day you like need to rely on the sun for 1768 01:41:55.199 --> 01:41:57.920 your crops and you're sewing and you're and that kind. 1769 01:41:57.760 --> 01:42:02.800 Of thing as well as stitching. It's since Egyptian times 1770 01:42:03.319 --> 01:42:06.880 sowing the seed is you know, not only farming and 1771 01:42:07.000 --> 01:42:18.399 also sexual, right, yeah. 1772 01:42:13.960 --> 01:42:14.960 You are, TJ. 1773 01:42:17.439 --> 01:42:20.960 That was it? Just short line, dude, I was fascinating. 1774 01:42:22.119 --> 01:42:24.920 I was gonna say that the egg is of course, 1775 01:42:25.199 --> 01:42:28.479 maybe you mentioned this is symbolic of a point, right, 1776 01:42:28.600 --> 01:42:32.720 It's it's the beginning beginning point of a of a 1777 01:42:32.920 --> 01:42:34.520 of a life being right. 1778 01:42:35.199 --> 01:42:36.520 Right right, yeah, definitely. 1779 01:42:36.600 --> 01:42:40.039 And it's the circumpunct as well, for sure. 1780 01:42:40.479 --> 01:42:42.560 Yeah yeah, yeah. 1781 01:42:42.560 --> 01:42:46.600 There's even like a symbolic pole in the egg as well, 1782 01:42:47.319 --> 01:42:50.800 so there's like symbolic polarity in there, so the positive 1783 01:42:50.800 --> 01:42:52.680 in the negative end or something. I think this is 1784 01:42:52.760 --> 01:42:56.399 why some hero twins like Romulus and Remus, they're said 1785 01:42:56.399 --> 01:42:59.079 to be born from like a cosmic egg sort of thing, 1786 01:42:59.279 --> 01:43:02.199 even though they present these this opposing sort of force 1787 01:43:02.279 --> 01:43:02.720 or whatever. 1788 01:43:03.239 --> 01:43:06.600 Well and is it was what was the goddess Ishtaradhanna 1789 01:43:06.880 --> 01:43:09.720 that they rolled the egg up out of the river 1790 01:43:09.800 --> 01:43:12.600 and took care of it, and then in her star 1791 01:43:12.760 --> 01:43:16.479 is the seven pointed star. Back to the polar symbols, you. 1792 01:43:16.439 --> 01:43:21.840 Know, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely yeah. You know, one of 1793 01:43:21.880 --> 01:43:23.640 the things you mentioned in there too, I just wanted 1794 01:43:23.680 --> 01:43:27.840 to bring to light is that there, you know, there's 1795 01:43:27.880 --> 01:43:31.439 a number of ways to kind of break down your correspondences, 1796 01:43:31.479 --> 01:43:33.119 and in one of the ways that I've come to 1797 01:43:33.159 --> 01:43:37.159 appreciate lately, because I think there's a lot that makes 1798 01:43:37.159 --> 01:43:40.720 sense with it, is that what reneguent On says is 1799 01:43:40.760 --> 01:43:46.199 that traditionally, solar peoples have their New Year in at 1800 01:43:46.279 --> 01:43:50.000 the spring equinox, right, and so this is what astrology 1801 01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:54.720 acknowledges Western astrology, I guess. And then he said that 1802 01:43:54.800 --> 01:43:58.720 polar peoples, which I think this is really interesting, acknowledge 1803 01:43:58.840 --> 01:44:03.760 their new year around the winter solstice. And I'm like, 1804 01:44:03.840 --> 01:44:07.399 that's really interesting because that's right around where modern Western 1805 01:44:07.399 --> 01:44:10.119 people celebrate the new year. And then I'm like, wait 1806 01:44:10.159 --> 01:44:11.840 a second, I'm like, this actually makes a ton of 1807 01:44:11.880 --> 01:44:14.760 sense because I see a lot of polar symbolism with Saturn, 1808 01:44:15.479 --> 01:44:18.600 and like I was saying earlier, the Golden Age has 1809 01:44:18.680 --> 01:44:21.840 a huge correspondence with all of this stuff, and it's 1810 01:44:21.840 --> 01:44:25.600 been often said that Saturn ruled the last Golden Age. 1811 01:44:26.239 --> 01:44:29.560 And I also put out a presentation that basically alludes 1812 01:44:29.560 --> 01:44:32.840 to the idea that Saturn was once feminine and that 1813 01:44:32.880 --> 01:44:34.880 there was sort of a fall from grace over time 1814 01:44:35.000 --> 01:44:37.520 and that now we look at Saturn as like this old. 1815 01:44:37.319 --> 01:44:38.960 Man and whatnot. 1816 01:44:39.039 --> 01:44:43.239 But there's a lot of sort of symbolism that suggests 1817 01:44:43.279 --> 01:44:46.000 that maybe it was more feminine in nature, perhaps even 1818 01:44:46.079 --> 01:44:50.800 a krone chron chronos, right, And so there's a big 1819 01:44:50.880 --> 01:44:54.399 northern sort of thing with that. And he also says 1820 01:44:54.439 --> 01:44:58.079 to that midnight, as I mentioned, earlier, the midnight sun 1821 01:44:58.640 --> 01:45:03.000 that midnight correspond with the north as well, and I'm like, well, goddamn, 1822 01:45:03.039 --> 01:45:04.920 that makes a lot of sense too. When you look 1823 01:45:04.960 --> 01:45:08.119 at a compass, north is right up top. It corresponds 1824 01:45:08.199 --> 01:45:11.600 right there with the twelve of midnight, right. And then 1825 01:45:11.640 --> 01:45:17.600 also the sort of celebration that surrounds midnight is New 1826 01:45:17.680 --> 01:45:22.239 Year's right, And this is all happening during Capricorn, which 1827 01:45:22.279 --> 01:45:25.720 is actually ruled by Saturn. And then we have this 1828 01:45:25.800 --> 01:45:30.279 other little holiday called Christmas, and Santa comes from where 1829 01:45:30.319 --> 01:45:34.159 he comes from the North Pole. So between Christmas and 1830 01:45:34.199 --> 01:45:37.560 then New Year's and then its relationship with Capricorn and Saturn, 1831 01:45:37.600 --> 01:45:40.399 there's a ton of polar northern symbolism going on. 1832 01:45:40.920 --> 01:45:44.119 And also on New Year's when they celebrate the New Year, 1833 01:45:44.880 --> 01:45:49.520 you traditionally have all around the world the pole that 1834 01:45:49.560 --> 01:45:51.239 they drop the ball down the pole. 1835 01:45:51.520 --> 01:45:56.560 That's it, Yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah, So something to consider. 1836 01:45:59.600 --> 01:46:01.600 Something I did want to bring up before we start 1837 01:46:01.600 --> 01:46:05.119 to wrap this up. I did want to mention it earlier, 1838 01:46:05.119 --> 01:46:06.960 but there's just too many things we end up going 1839 01:46:06.960 --> 01:46:10.159 on to the next topic. And yeah, I'm not going 1840 01:46:10.239 --> 01:46:13.239 to say it's you know, obviously, I do think there's 1841 01:46:13.279 --> 01:46:17.079 many different meanings to lots of symbols and you know, 1842 01:46:17.199 --> 01:46:19.920 ideas and stuff. So I'm not saying this is the 1843 01:46:19.960 --> 01:46:22.680 only thing, but you know, there was a lot of 1844 01:46:24.319 --> 01:46:27.000 a lot of stuff that you were showing or even explaining, 1845 01:46:27.039 --> 01:46:30.119 like especially in this picture did remind me of like 1846 01:46:30.159 --> 01:46:31.920 a lot of things that I've seen in some of 1847 01:46:31.960 --> 01:46:35.319 my experiences that I talk about. A lot of it 1848 01:46:35.359 --> 01:46:39.880 actually was mentioned in this episode. And you know, I've 1849 01:46:39.880 --> 01:46:42.079 said before that like when it starts to get very 1850 01:46:42.159 --> 01:46:45.279 dark and it starts to look like like oil spilling 1851 01:46:45.399 --> 01:46:47.840 up from the ground, it looks a lot like that 1852 01:46:47.960 --> 01:46:51.439 thing behind the star. And then and then when I 1853 01:46:51.520 --> 01:46:54.800 see that, well for one, you know again, even when 1854 01:46:54.800 --> 01:46:59.039 that happens, it starts to look like black goo or 1855 01:46:59.079 --> 01:47:01.800 something moving, and that made me think of like Saturn 1856 01:47:01.840 --> 01:47:04.399 because of black And then Robbie mentioned before Aquarius that 1857 01:47:04.520 --> 01:47:06.880 is water, you know, so it does kind of look 1858 01:47:07.000 --> 01:47:10.600 like whatever, black water, but it moves. But it does 1859 01:47:10.640 --> 01:47:13.720 start to come out like that, and it always starts 1860 01:47:13.760 --> 01:47:16.920 off with this burning little dot that looks like a 1861 01:47:16.960 --> 01:47:22.279 blazing blazing star. Will use some ot yoga language. 1862 01:47:21.840 --> 01:47:26.680 There, and that blazing star between Capricorn and Aquarius as well, 1863 01:47:26.800 --> 01:47:29.119 so Capricorn grew by Saturn and Aquarius. 1864 01:47:29.359 --> 01:47:36.239 So yeah, yeah, but so well you I'll have that 1865 01:47:36.399 --> 01:47:39.960 and then at some point, you know, when things start 1866 01:47:40.000 --> 01:47:41.680 to turn. I always mentioned that it does look like 1867 01:47:41.720 --> 01:47:44.000 a swastika at some point, and then eventually it will 1868 01:47:44.039 --> 01:47:46.640 look like that even that top picture you showed earlier, 1869 01:47:46.680 --> 01:47:49.800 where I mean it will look like to that extent 1870 01:47:49.840 --> 01:47:51.880 at some point with just the eclipse in the middle 1871 01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:55.000 and all that looks like it's spinning, right. 1872 01:47:55.119 --> 01:47:55.840 You know, and. 1873 01:47:57.319 --> 01:48:00.039 You know you talk about like, you know, polarization and 1874 01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:03.960 the even even that image before that five pointed star 1875 01:48:05.039 --> 01:48:07.880 to me that looked very much like the black circle 1876 01:48:07.920 --> 01:48:11.720 in front of the white sphere, just broken into five pieces. Mhmm, 1877 01:48:12.399 --> 01:48:17.159 you know that that exact symbol. There was something else 1878 01:48:17.199 --> 01:48:21.359 I saw it too, and and things that I mentioned. Yeah, uh, 1879 01:48:21.640 --> 01:48:24.239 you all even start to get like rainbows, you know, 1880 01:48:24.680 --> 01:48:27.000 spinning out of the out of the spiral as well. 1881 01:48:27.720 --> 01:48:29.600 I don't know if somebody mentioned for some reason I 1882 01:48:29.640 --> 01:48:32.520 thought about that earlier. I can't remember why, but yeah, 1883 01:48:32.680 --> 01:48:35.319 like this definitely looks like you know, that could be one, 1884 01:48:35.359 --> 01:48:37.600 two or three, you know, five pieces of stone or 1885 01:48:37.600 --> 01:48:42.399 something in front of something. But uh yeah, a lot 1886 01:48:42.439 --> 01:48:43.920 of the things that you were talking about just in 1887 01:48:43.960 --> 01:48:46.119 my opinion and from my experiences, you know, even talking 1888 01:48:46.119 --> 01:48:49.399 about like polarity and a difference of uh you know, change, 1889 01:48:50.279 --> 01:48:52.760 you know, when I talk about the experience. You know, again, unfortunately, 1890 01:48:52.760 --> 01:48:54.520 this isn't anything that I can refer back to a 1891 01:48:54.600 --> 01:48:56.920 show receipts. These are just my you know, my visions 1892 01:48:56.960 --> 01:49:00.760 and my my feelings. But you know, even at some 1893 01:49:00.800 --> 01:49:03.720 point it feels like something snaps, something changes, and it 1894 01:49:03.760 --> 01:49:06.239 swings back at me. I know I've mentioned that to you, 1895 01:49:06.319 --> 01:49:10.479 like a pendulum flying back at me. You know, even 1896 01:49:10.640 --> 01:49:13.000 in that it feels like something changes and that the 1897 01:49:13.039 --> 01:49:15.720 black sphere pulls away from the white one at that point. 1898 01:49:16.880 --> 01:49:21.319 So you know, you're talking about two sons. Is that 1899 01:49:21.359 --> 01:49:23.000 really the black son and then there is the other 1900 01:49:23.079 --> 01:49:23.800 one something else? 1901 01:49:24.159 --> 01:49:24.880 I don't know, but. 1902 01:49:25.640 --> 01:49:27.760 There's a lot of things that that were mentioned in 1903 01:49:27.760 --> 01:49:30.199 this episode tonight that just kept making me think about. 1904 01:49:31.279 --> 01:49:33.119 You know, the vision that I saw is just an 1905 01:49:33.199 --> 01:49:36.000 artistic way of talking about some of the things you 1906 01:49:36.079 --> 01:49:36.520 said here. 1907 01:49:37.239 --> 01:49:40.239 Right Well, thanks for sharing, dude, And I know you're 1908 01:49:40.359 --> 01:49:44.359 all about eyeball symbolism, you know, and just that pupil 1909 01:49:44.439 --> 01:49:46.600 right there in the middle, and the sort of concentric 1910 01:49:46.880 --> 01:49:50.359 ring nature of the eye. You know, you have that 1911 01:49:51.079 --> 01:49:55.880 sacred center right that, that inner sanctum, which is the 1912 01:49:55.920 --> 01:49:59.199 most like potent part of the whole entire system. That's 1913 01:49:59.239 --> 01:50:02.920 what you're gonna find is, symbolically any system, the heart 1914 01:50:03.279 --> 01:50:06.760 or center of the system is like the most important 1915 01:50:06.800 --> 01:50:10.159 part of that system. And when you actually start following 1916 01:50:10.399 --> 01:50:13.800 what I refer to as like polar wisdom, it's actually 1917 01:50:13.840 --> 01:50:15.479 a lot a lot of it has to do with 1918 01:50:15.479 --> 01:50:19.239 the heart and heart based symbolism and following matters relating 1919 01:50:19.239 --> 01:50:21.239 to the heart, because your heart really is like one 1920 01:50:21.239 --> 01:50:23.279 of the main symbolic centers in your body. 1921 01:50:23.840 --> 01:50:27.640 And so that guy W. H. Mueller, who wrote the book. 1922 01:50:27.479 --> 01:50:32.000 Polaria, he really harps on that that polar wisdom. Basically 1923 01:50:32.039 --> 01:50:34.319 it leads you to the heart and to heart centeredness, 1924 01:50:34.319 --> 01:50:36.760 which I think makes just a great deal of sense. 1925 01:50:36.840 --> 01:50:40.039 And you know, even when people are like talking about 1926 01:50:40.079 --> 01:50:43.359 looking for the Philosopher's stone and looking for the holy Grail, 1927 01:50:43.800 --> 01:50:45.720 I think it's looking for your center. Really, I think 1928 01:50:45.720 --> 01:50:47.520 it's getting to your inner sanctum. I think that's what 1929 01:50:47.520 --> 01:50:50.800 it's mostly really all about. I think there are correspondences 1930 01:50:51.000 --> 01:50:54.439 in the external world, maybe the center of Earth or whatever, 1931 01:50:54.920 --> 01:50:56.560 but I think it has to do with that sort 1932 01:50:56.560 --> 01:50:57.319 of inner journey. 1933 01:50:57.399 --> 01:51:02.039 Basically in the heart you have the diet, you know, 1934 01:51:02.600 --> 01:51:05.760 diametric difference between the mind and the heart. The mind 1935 01:51:05.880 --> 01:51:10.039 is generally symbolized as masculine, whereas the heart is symbolized 1936 01:51:10.079 --> 01:51:13.319 as feminine. So this brings us back to this divine 1937 01:51:13.880 --> 01:51:15.319 feminine energy. 1938 01:51:16.399 --> 01:51:17.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. 1939 01:51:19.640 --> 01:51:20.239 Oh real quick. 1940 01:51:20.239 --> 01:51:22.119 The reason why I even brought up the rainbow before 1941 01:51:22.199 --> 01:51:24.399 about the spinning colors is because of bringing up the 1942 01:51:24.399 --> 01:51:27.560 maypole and the barber pole. Said, if I've even mentioned 1943 01:51:27.560 --> 01:51:29.840 that recently on some shows, that if it's like when 1944 01:51:29.880 --> 01:51:32.039 I try to explain that spiral of colors, I said, 1945 01:51:32.039 --> 01:51:33.680 it reminds me of as if I was like looking 1946 01:51:33.720 --> 01:51:36.680 under a maypole and watching all that stuff spiral as 1947 01:51:36.680 --> 01:51:38.359 they wrap around it. 1948 01:51:38.359 --> 01:51:40.319 It looks very much like that. It makes sense. 1949 01:51:40.960 --> 01:51:41.479 Interesting. 1950 01:51:42.159 --> 01:51:47.079 Yeah, but uh yeah, thank you very much. Uh Mario, 1951 01:51:47.199 --> 01:51:49.279 that was an onesome presentation. Oh hell, let's woke back 1952 01:51:49.359 --> 01:51:51.159 up everyone, There we go, He's back. 1953 01:51:52.000 --> 01:51:53.760 I didn't want to, like, you know, wrap it up 1954 01:51:53.760 --> 01:51:57.640 and the guys sitting this snor there. He is he's back. 1955 01:51:58.640 --> 01:52:01.880 Oh but yeah, Mario, thank you very much for bringing 1956 01:52:01.920 --> 01:52:05.279 your presentation. That was a lot of stuff that was Yeah, 1957 01:52:05.319 --> 01:52:08.600 that was an amazing, amazing chat. TJ, thank you for 1958 01:52:08.600 --> 01:52:09.520 bringing yours as well. 1959 01:52:10.439 --> 01:52:13.479 I'll just say if people want like a more sort 1960 01:52:13.520 --> 01:52:16.680 of like I don't know if it's more comprehensive, but 1961 01:52:16.680 --> 01:52:19.079 it's definitely like more of a structured sort of breakdown. 1962 01:52:20.239 --> 01:52:24.600 I did the shows that I get really jazzed for, like, uh, 1963 01:52:25.079 --> 01:52:27.880 like podcasts and stuff that I do and I've never 1964 01:52:28.039 --> 01:52:31.159 been on before. I have to talk about polar symbolism. 1965 01:52:31.600 --> 01:52:33.880 I have to talk about the North Star. So I 1966 01:52:33.960 --> 01:52:36.640 did a show with higher side chats like a handful 1967 01:52:36.640 --> 01:52:38.199 of months ago, and that's what I brought to the 1968 01:52:38.199 --> 01:52:39.880 table was all this stuff and the same thing with 1969 01:52:39.960 --> 01:52:43.119 my Crow interview. So if people want to hear me 1970 01:52:43.680 --> 01:52:45.840 talk about this and it's a little bit more structured 1971 01:52:45.920 --> 01:52:48.159 or whatever, they can check out those episodes. 1972 01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:49.439 Awesome. 1973 01:52:49.640 --> 01:52:51.399 Thank you very much, man, Thank you very much, and 1974 01:52:51.479 --> 01:52:53.760 TJ again, thank you very much for bringing your sides. 1975 01:52:54.039 --> 01:52:55.079 Always appreciate it. 1976 01:52:55.119 --> 01:52:59.039 So we'll go around in room again and we'll let 1977 01:52:59.079 --> 01:53:02.079 everybody plug that stuff real quick. Teresa, let everybody know 1978 01:53:02.119 --> 01:53:02.920 where they can find your work. 1979 01:53:03.600 --> 01:53:05.640 Yeah, thank you, Mario. I just want to say real 1980 01:53:05.720 --> 01:53:10.520 quick that the whole Pollstar polaris phenomenon of the constellations 1981 01:53:10.600 --> 01:53:13.079 rotating round. It was what like was the moment for 1982 01:53:13.159 --> 01:53:15.800 me when I realized, like the globe is not like 1983 01:53:15.840 --> 01:53:19.720 a thing or at least how we're taught. So that 1984 01:53:19.880 --> 01:53:21.840 was like a real like aha moment for me. So 1985 01:53:21.880 --> 01:53:24.319 I'm so glad you like brought that up in the beginning. 1986 01:53:24.359 --> 01:53:28.560 But anyways, Uh, yeah, people can find me on Spiritual 1987 01:53:28.560 --> 01:53:32.680 Gangsters Podcast in X and Instagram at tes Gangsters Pod. 1988 01:53:33.399 --> 01:53:35.560 Awesome. Thank you very much, Robbie March. 1989 01:53:36.640 --> 01:53:38.880 Yeah, if anybody wants to check out my other stuff, 1990 01:53:39.239 --> 01:53:42.439 from my art to my podcast or any of my 1991 01:53:42.520 --> 01:53:44.439 social media, you can just go to my link tree 1992 01:53:44.720 --> 01:53:47.600 which is link tree r M A r X R 1993 01:53:47.720 --> 01:53:49.680 Marx and that'll bring up everything. 1994 01:53:50.279 --> 01:53:54.760 Thank you, Thank you so much, Maria. 1995 01:53:54.880 --> 01:53:59.119 That was so inspirational and interesting and everyone, thank you 1996 01:53:59.279 --> 01:54:02.920 so much for great ideas. And uh, I'm on all 1997 01:54:02.920 --> 01:54:09.159 the usual social media and appreciate anyone reaching out always, so. 1998 01:54:10.039 --> 01:54:12.560 Thank you very much for coming on. I always appreciate you, sir. 1999 01:54:13.079 --> 01:54:15.800 Thank you headless. Let everybody know where they can find 2000 01:54:15.800 --> 01:54:18.159 you at. Please, sir, you. 2001 01:54:18.119 --> 01:54:20.960 Can find me on YouTube. Just look up the Headless Giant. 2002 01:54:22.000 --> 01:54:24.840 If you have any stories that you would like to 2003 01:54:24.840 --> 01:54:27.239 throw at me and put in the Mystical mail Bag, 2004 01:54:28.159 --> 01:54:31.399 go ahead and send the email to Headless Giant podcast 2005 01:54:31.479 --> 01:54:34.560 at gmail dot com. So thank you for having me on. 2006 01:54:35.000 --> 01:54:37.560 Of course, definitely send that man some emails to the 2007 01:54:37.560 --> 01:54:38.479 Mystical mail Bag. 2008 01:54:40.119 --> 01:54:43.319 And TJ TJ. Let everybody know where they can find 2009 01:54:43.359 --> 01:54:43.600 you at. 2010 01:54:43.640 --> 01:54:48.279 Please uh at contemporary problems and sometimes a contemporary problems 2011 01:54:48.279 --> 01:54:51.279 with the underscore, and you will find me on all 2012 01:54:51.319 --> 01:54:53.000 platforms or most of them. 2013 01:54:53.399 --> 01:54:56.119 Awesome. And if people are still listening Mario, where can 2014 01:54:56.159 --> 01:54:56.760 they find you at? 2015 01:54:56.760 --> 01:54:59.119 Sir, Symbolic Studies dot com. 2016 01:54:59.479 --> 01:54:59.680 Uh. 2017 01:54:59.760 --> 01:55:02.039 You know one last thing I just want to say. 2018 01:55:02.159 --> 01:55:05.640 It's so interesting the relevance of the pole Star Elon 2019 01:55:05.800 --> 01:55:09.640 Musk's like new division of SpaceX or new sort of 2020 01:55:09.720 --> 01:55:12.640 like thing with it is called Polaris Dawn. That's one 2021 01:55:12.640 --> 01:55:16.119 thing to know that's interesting. And then Trump is doing 2022 01:55:16.159 --> 01:55:20.319 this ai sort of initiative that he's calling Stargate, right. 2023 01:55:20.399 --> 01:55:22.439 That's the thing is like this is the original Stargate, 2024 01:55:22.520 --> 01:55:25.279 this is the original sort of opening to another dimension 2025 01:55:25.359 --> 01:55:27.880 or whatever. And then even like I think it's the 2026 01:55:27.920 --> 01:55:31.119 Space Force logo, it's like very clearly the pole Star, 2027 01:55:31.680 --> 01:55:34.159 you know. And so there's a ton of examples of 2028 01:55:34.199 --> 01:55:36.840 this out there. Maybe we can talk about it at 2029 01:55:36.840 --> 01:55:39.159 some point or whatever, but it is a relevant topic 2030 01:55:39.279 --> 01:55:40.479 unbeknownst to most people. 2031 01:55:40.800 --> 01:55:43.000 But anyways, thanks for having me man, this was really fun. 2032 01:55:43.239 --> 01:55:47.239 Oh of course, of course, thank you, And yeah, everybody's 2033 01:55:47.800 --> 01:55:51.560 links are in the bottom. And again, I know it 2034 01:55:51.600 --> 01:55:53.199 was tough for me to try to explain it because 2035 01:55:53.199 --> 01:55:54.840 there was so many things I had already forgot. But 2036 01:55:54.880 --> 01:55:57.079 if people have listened to my experience before and then 2037 01:55:57.079 --> 01:55:59.840 I guess have listened to this episode, maybe try to 2038 01:56:00.199 --> 01:56:01.920 at what I was saying with some of the symbolism. 2039 01:56:01.960 --> 01:56:03.720 I do think some of it might match some of 2040 01:56:03.760 --> 01:56:06.840 the stuff I was showing on the screen. And thank 2041 01:56:06.880 --> 01:56:09.720 you all again, And that is the end of another 2042 01:56:09.720 --> 01:56:13.279 Recult Rejects And until the next one, everybody be well later.