WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.960 --> 00:00:03.799 And it is the Drive with Spence. Check it's here 2 00:00:03.799 --> 00:00:06.480 on ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one FM, proud 3 00:00:06.519 --> 00:00:10.160 to be a part of Utah's ESPN Radio Network. I'm 4 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:15.240 Scott Mitchell. I'm going in for Spence today, tomorrow and right. 5 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:17.879 So glad you could join the show. We've got some 6 00:00:17.960 --> 00:00:20.160 crazy stuff going on in the world of sports. I mean, 7 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:24.719 it is crazy, it's eventful, it is it is the 8 00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:28.480 beginning of all the excitement. Really is. You've got Major 9 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:33.200 League Baseball, big trade, You've got gambling going on, you've 10 00:00:33.240 --> 00:00:36.240 got video games, you have former players being cut, you 11 00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:38.960 have former players we're going to talk to from up 12 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:44.840 on the hill. 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You 23 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:17.480 can stream us, you can podcast this, you can download us. 24 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:20.040 You can do all kinds of fun stuff. And you're 25 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:23.680 not gonna miss a moment, like, not a single moment 26 00:01:23.719 --> 00:01:27.280 of what's actually happening here with the show. So really 27 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:30.359 excited to be here, of course I am every day. 28 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:33.799 I love to talk about sports, a lot of a 29 00:01:33.799 --> 00:01:35.599 lot of stuff. Always fun to talk about, all right. 30 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:40.640 Porter actually did mention this in his little update there. 31 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:44.439 He talked about Zach Moss. Oh Man, Zach Moss was 32 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:48.879 actually cut by the Cincinnati Bengals. I was really bummed 33 00:01:48.879 --> 00:01:51.680 by that. By the way, Zach was a fun player 34 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:54.680 to watch when he was at Utah, and he was 35 00:01:54.760 --> 00:01:57.239 very impressive to me in the sense that he could 36 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:00.840 find the smallest little crease at the line of scrimmage 37 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:03.599 and scoot right through it. And he had this ability 38 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:06.799 to run tough on the on the inside, but also 39 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:09.000 he had a burst he could get out and get 40 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:11.960 out on the edge. And I really liked him. Uh 41 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:13.680 and you know, and he and he just kind of 42 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:17.479 I don't know if he if he found he just 43 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:20.759 never seemed to find the perfect fit, but he fit 44 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:23.159 in and uh, you know, he has had some injuries, 45 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:25.439 and of course the Bengals drafted a couple of guys 46 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:28.680 and that means you're expendable. So a little bit bummed 47 00:02:29.199 --> 00:02:32.919 that Zach Moss was actually let go by the Bengals. 48 00:02:32.919 --> 00:02:37.120 But clearly this early in training camp, uh you know, 49 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:40.080 there there's there's probably a pretty significant injury without having 50 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:43.599 preseason games for a player too to get caught like that. 51 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:49.120 So anyways, it's it's uh, it's just kind of hopefully 52 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:52.120 he's either healthy or finds a good spot because I 53 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:54.520 like I like Zack Moss. He belongs in the NFL. 54 00:02:55.319 --> 00:02:59.360 He belongs there every week. I need I need some 55 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:02.439 clarific here. So maybe Porter could help me out on 56 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:06.319 this one. You have cam Ward of course, he was 57 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:09.120 the number one pick in the draft and he's kind 58 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:13.360 of been struggling in practice and he said that their 59 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:17.199 offense right now is very mid, and I don't know 60 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:19.360 what mid means. Do you know what mid means? Porter? 61 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:24.199 Yes, Scott, we're just going to go with like average, right, Okay, 62 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:27.680 you know it's not it's road special. It's it's yeah, 63 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:31.759 middle of the road, it's it's in the mean the 64 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:35.639 median somewhere in there, I guess instead of yeah, where 65 00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:38.360 does inventing words now or using words to mean other 66 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:39.879 things to mean other things? 67 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:45.080 Yeah, mid I what I've learned is that pretty much 68 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:48.639 every day, every word I say on the radio, if 69 00:03:48.680 --> 00:03:51.520 you go in the urban Dictionary, I'm offending about four 70 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:54.000 million people every word that comes out of my mouth. 71 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:57.719 I had no idea of all these things. If you 72 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:01.639 hang around younger people, millennials and some of those folks, uh, 73 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:04.800 they will they will correct you. I'm not I don't 74 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:07.319 know what you are. Porter. I think you're a human being, 75 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:10.599 but uh, you know, I'm not. I'm not dissing if 76 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:12.840 you're a millennial or any of that stuff or gen z. 77 00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:14.400 Or I think technically a millennial. 78 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:17.680 Ish are you like the tail end of millennial? 79 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:17.959 Yeah? 80 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:20.439 I just I just turned thirty, so I'm like on 81 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:21.519 the on the border there. 82 00:04:21.800 --> 00:04:25.079 Yeah, you could be my son. You want me to 83 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:27.120 adopt you, a Porter, I could we could have like 84 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:30.519 a ceremonial. I would I would be happy if you 85 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:31.000 have myself. 86 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:33.720 I mean, I'm absent to father Scott as of a 87 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:36.680 few years ago, so we're, oh, yeah, sorry to hear 88 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:38.279 that you can pay my rent or something. 89 00:04:38.279 --> 00:04:41.319 If you want, Hey, I'm right on it. Just send me, 90 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:43.519 send me the invoice so I'll get right on it. 91 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:47.279 So so what cam Ward was actually saying is like, hey, 92 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:52.800 don't panic everyone. Even though I've thrown four million interceptions 93 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:55.839 in the last couple of days, We're still okay, Like 94 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:58.040 we're not We're not in the dumps, you know, We're 95 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:00.439 we're We're gonna fight through this. And and it was 96 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:02.480 it was fascinating to me, and it brings back so 97 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:06.720 many memories when you read about some of these young 98 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:09.759 players and they're starting out in their NFL careers and 99 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:13.040 it's just it's a little bit overwhelming. I think mid 100 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:17.800 is probably a team word, or it's probably like my 101 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:20.959 hair is on fire is more the accurate description of 102 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:24.000 probably where Camra Reward is right now. But he's trying 103 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:26.639 to keep it cool, kind of keep it under control here. 104 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:32.240 And it reminded me of my rookie year in the 105 00:05:32.360 --> 00:05:34.480 NFL and I went I went to my first mini 106 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:38.040 camp and I was not mid. I was like in 107 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:40.480 the dump. I mean it was I was like, I 108 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:42.920 can't do this like this is too fast. These guys 109 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:45.519 are too good. I am too bad, and this is 110 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:48.399 not going to work out. And I was extremely disappointed. 111 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:52.399 And they had a banquet one one night, you know. 112 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:54.360 So I was there like three days for this little 113 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:57.079 mini camp, and so one of the nights we had 114 00:05:57.560 --> 00:06:00.319 a team banquet and they drove us down to this 115 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:04.480 nice hotel in downtown Miami and they're doing the team 116 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:08.199 awards in the highlight film and Coach Shula gets up 117 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:11.639 to speak, and uh, Bob Greasey gets up to speak, 118 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:13.319 you know, he's kind of one of the legends for 119 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:17.120 the Dolphins, and and he calls me out my name 120 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:20.399 in the in this you know, this huge team you 121 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:23.720 know banquet thing where there were fans and all kinds 122 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:26.040 of people there, And like, what are you talking about 123 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:28.519 me for? I'm just this little rookie fourth round draft 124 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:31.519 choice from Utah. I've only been here a day and 125 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:34.920 and Bob Greasey's calling me out the team banquet and 126 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:38.120 what he said, He goes, yeah, he's his boy, watching 127 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:42.439 that Scott Mitchell out there kind of struggling. Uh, brought 128 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:45.079 me back to when I was a rookie. And he goes, 129 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:48.839 I went through those same those same growing pains, and 130 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:52.839 it's a it's a fascinating thing process to go through 131 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:57.720 as a player when you when you move through your 132 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:00.600 career and you you know, and and especially going from 133 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.879 college to professional football, and there's this part of you 134 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:08.199 that's like can I even do this? Like am I 135 00:07:08.240 --> 00:07:11.439 even capable of doing this? And then all of a sudden, 136 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:14.800 the light bulb just clicks on. And of course if 137 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:17.120 it doesn't ever click on, that means you can't do it. 138 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:20.399 So that's kind of the barometer. Light bulb clicks on, 139 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:23.800 You're okay, you're gonna make it. But if it doesn't, 140 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:27.199 then you need to, I don't know, find a new 141 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:31.079 profession or it will find you. But when you're going 142 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:33.600 through it and the light bulb isn't on, you do 143 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:36.879 feel like you're in darkness and you're like is it 144 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:39.319 ever going to get light again? And it's a scary, 145 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:44.120 scary thing to kind of go through. But man, once 146 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:46.279 it clicks in and it's you know, it's a process. 147 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:48.439 And just hearing Cam Woarr talk about I need to 148 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:50.920 watch more film, I need to work more with these receivers. 149 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:55.680 I need to you know, understand this much better than 150 00:07:55.720 --> 00:07:57.199 I do right now. And the only way to do 151 00:07:57.240 --> 00:07:58.800 it is just to experience it. You just have to 152 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:01.079 go through it. So it was kind of it was 153 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:06.720 kind of interesting to see and to hear, you know, 154 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:11.800 cam Ward, and quite frankly, the more honest you are 155 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:14.279 about where you are, the faster you're going to get better. 156 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:20.959 And sometimes people aren't really in an honest place about 157 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:26.920 where they are as a player, and that means you're 158 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:29.319 kind of fooling yourself and kind of deceiving yourself about 159 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:35.519 where you are. Okay, so much is happening today, and 160 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:39.240 I find all of this stuff so fascinating. But the 161 00:08:39.240 --> 00:08:42.120 one that kind of this will be kind of weird, 162 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:47.080 but it's so interesting is this whole thing about video games. 163 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:50.080 And I talked about this on my show earlier today, 164 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:54.320 that Down and Dirty, which airs here on ESPN seven 165 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:56.919 or ninety two one FM ten to eleven. You can 166 00:08:56.960 --> 00:08:59.919 hear us there and then you just listen all day. 167 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:03.960 You get to you get Sean, you get Spence, And 168 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:07.399 on occasion I fell in for those guys like I'm 169 00:09:07.440 --> 00:09:10.600 I'm the pitch, I'm the pinch hitter, I'm I'm the 170 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:14.279 I'm the the sixth man and uh, hopefully I get 171 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:16.120 awards for I get the sixth Man of the Year 172 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:20.879 award at ESPN seven hundred. Anyways, I was talking about 173 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:27.960 video games and more specifically Madden and how how the 174 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:33.480 Madden system of ranking players and there's not very many 175 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:37.559 to get like this special ninety nine rating. Did you 176 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:39.960 ever play Did you ever play video games? Porter? 177 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:44.519 Yeah, I grew up mostly it was always a sports game, 178 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:46.960 so just kind of mad in college football usually. 179 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:50.840 So you were you were a Madden guy. Yeah, And 180 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:52.840 this ninety nine club came. 181 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:53.799 Out sought after. 182 00:09:53.960 --> 00:09:58.960 It's red. There's not many players in it, and and 183 00:09:59.039 --> 00:10:02.960 I was shocked at how few were actually in this 184 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:06.679 Madden you know, the ninety nine club, which is the thing. 185 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:09.840 It's like, what is it? It's like Club thirty three 186 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:13.559 at Disney. It's kind of a special secret place. So 187 00:10:13.559 --> 00:10:17.720 Sattwan Barkley was there. I'm sorry, go ahead, there's a 188 00:10:17.720 --> 00:10:20.320 secret club at Disney. Huh Oh you didn't know about this? 189 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:20.600 No? 190 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:22.720 Oh it's Club thirty three. 191 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:25.360 Is that just for like the NFL quarterbacks? 192 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:28.720 No? No, no, this is this is the Club thirty 193 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:31.799 three at Disney. Is a big deal. Yeah, like you 194 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:35.960 have to. I mean they let people in, but yeah, 195 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:39.639 not a lot of people. And it's a very special deal. 196 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:42.840 And at the different disneys I think they have I 197 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:44.639 think they have it. I know they have it at 198 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:46.960 disney World, and I know they have it at disney Land, 199 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:50.000 And so it's like in like it might be on 200 00:10:50.080 --> 00:10:53.320 Main Street. I think at disney World it's it's by 201 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:59.519 the New Orleans or Pirates of the Caribbean and kind 202 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:02.399 of in that area. But yeah, it's a it's a 203 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:07.120 she shee place for just a select few. So just 204 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:10.840 like this ninety nine club is with Maddon and so 205 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:15.919 I'm fascinated that. So Saquon Barclay's on it, Lane Johnson 206 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:19.720 a right tackle, not even a left tackle for the 207 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:30.279 Philadelphia Eagles, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, 208 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:36.919 and Miles Garrett. Those Now there's no Joe Burrow, there's 209 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:39.799 no Patrick Mahomes. There's only one defensive player on the 210 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:44.200 whole thing. I think that's insane. I think it's crazy. 211 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:52.159 But what's more crazy is how many people like spend 212 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:56.600 so much time watching video games or playing them. And 213 00:11:56.679 --> 00:11:59.039 I know, I know, personally, I can't watch them. I 214 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:02.159 can't play him. I can play them like meaning I 215 00:12:02.200 --> 00:12:05.879 have the capability, but I cannot. I cannot do it 216 00:12:05.919 --> 00:12:10.080 because if I did, I would be so consumed by 217 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:13.720 playing them that I would I just would. I wouldn't 218 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:16.679 be in a good as a human being, like I 219 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:20.399 would just be an absolute mess. Speaking of back in 220 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:26.840 my rookie year, the same we had a player and 221 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:30.440 the player was a tight end and he was my roommate. 222 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:32.840 And so I get off the bus again, I have 223 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:35.080 no idea what I'm doing. I go in my room 224 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:38.720 and there's my roommate and he's sitting there playing Super 225 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:44.080 Mario Brothers. And for him, all he wanted to do 226 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:47.240 the whole time we were at this mini camp was 227 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:50.440 play Super Mario Brothers. I go in the room, he's 228 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:53.360 playing it. I go to bed at night, he's playing it. 229 00:12:54.080 --> 00:12:57.559 And this is nineteen ninety and he would not he 230 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:01.320 would not stop playing it. And so I, instead of 231 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:05.879 watching television, I watched my roommate play Super Mario Brothers. 232 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:10.639 And for him, it was like he was just trying 233 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:13.519 to pass the time, and he was just I mean, 234 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.360 he brought his own you know, his own box, his 235 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:19.919 own game, his own and like he was really into this. 236 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:25.679 And then later on in my career when I was 237 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:29.759 playing for the Bengals, there was a the team had 238 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:34.600 a room like the players Lounge, and players would play 239 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:40.919 Madden and they would play it for hours. Now, as 240 00:13:40.960 --> 00:13:43.159 a quarterback, you spend a lot of time at the 241 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:47.519 facility studying. And I would be studying and it might 242 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:49.840 be seven eight o'clock at night and these guys were 243 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:55.799 still in this room playing video games. And these are 244 00:13:55.840 --> 00:13:59.519 like NFL players, Like it's like not studying their playbook 245 00:13:59.559 --> 00:14:03.320 and would have and and it got at times kind 246 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:06.240 of heated because you know, someone would win and lose 247 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:09.000 and they had some kind of tournament whatever going on. 248 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:12.720 But it was a big deal, which brings me to 249 00:14:12.799 --> 00:14:17.320 the to the next thing. Like basically football players a 250 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:21.639 bunch of grown boys just doing you know, that's really 251 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:25.759 that's really the best way to describe professional sports. Just 252 00:14:25.799 --> 00:14:29.840 a bunch of boys who just have money now, but 253 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:34.320 they still like the sillies, you know, nonsensical things that boys. 254 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:39.480 And this this whole thing with Gilbert Arenas and and 255 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:43.159 it's you know, it's it's a serious deal. You know 256 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:47.159 where where you know there's uh there I mean, you 257 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:51.039 get arrested. You have these these things going on now 258 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:55.320 Now now poker games and stuff have have become kind 259 00:14:55.360 --> 00:15:00.559 of a you know, Sheishi thing. People do it. You know, 260 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:02.960 they kind of have a lot of Hollywood people. You 261 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:06.720 have a lot of people are interested in this. You know, 262 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:11.360 Texas Holdham tournaments and all that stuff. I remember back 263 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:15.279 when I was a player again, so I'm going back 264 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:18.919 in my time as a player here and that was 265 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:24.480 a common a common occurrence poker games a common occurrence 266 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:30.200 on like the airplane, and you would have you'd have 267 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:33.519 like guys sitting kind of in the aisle around a 268 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:35.679 group of seats and they put something in the I 269 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:38.200 don't know what it was, but it's kind of served 270 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:41.120 as their as their table now back then, and it 271 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:43.279 was all for money and they're just playing poker, just 272 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:47.279 a bunch of guys together playing poker, and it would 273 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:51.000 carry over into someone's room as soon as as soon 274 00:15:51.039 --> 00:15:55.039 as the plane landed. And at the time, I think 275 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:59.200 the biggest pot ended up being like thirty five thousand dollars, 276 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:02.440 which was a lot of money back in the day. 277 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:08.320 But the whole idea of these players, like you know, 278 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:14.159 just playing video games gambling, and you kind of see 279 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:16.799 it now today. It's just it's just it's just a 280 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:19.120 it's a bigger thing and a bigger problem. And this, 281 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:23.039 this whole gambling thing with Gilbert Renez is a much 282 00:16:23.080 --> 00:16:27.559 serious thing. But it certainly stems from, you know, a 283 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:30.720 lot of interest in gambling today. I'm not an advocate 284 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:33.399 for gambling. I'm not a judge of people who gamble, 285 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:38.039 but it can be a serious problem. And that's why 286 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:40.000 I stay away from it because I know that I have. 287 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:42.919 I just don't want to find out how addicted to 288 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:46.279 it I could become. Because I did have an addiction 289 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:49.840 one time in my life, and that was that was 290 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:55.559 soap operas. And I was like thirteen and one summer 291 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:57.600 I just got hooked on soap operas and I couldn't 292 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:01.120 stop watching them. And I just burned a whole summer. 293 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:04.240 You know, it'd be like ten o'clock till two in 294 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:09.119 the afternoon. I did nothing but watch soap operas. And 295 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:12.400 so I can't have that happen again. I can't take 296 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:15.039 the chance. So I stay away from Madden, I stay 297 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:18.079 away from gambling, and that's my life. Hey, we're gonna 298 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:22.759 take a little break here when we come back. I 299 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:27.240 believe we have Trevor Riley because number one Sports Talk. 300 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:30.920 I'm Scott Mitchell filling in for Spence all week. I'm 301 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:34.039 here all week. I'm here twice on Saturday, and enjoy 302 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:37.240 the HDL and make sure to tip your waiter. I'm 303 00:17:37.240 --> 00:17:39.079 excited about what's going to happen right now. I'll tell 304 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:41.400 you that much. We have with us none other than 305 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:46.680 Trevor Riley, former Utah Great and former NFL player and 306 00:17:47.000 --> 00:17:52.799 former coach, current coach, former coach, Trevor. Welcome to the show. 307 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:53.759 How you doing today? 308 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:56.279 Well, I just want to say, mister Mitchell, it's an 309 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:58.799 honor to speak to a legend. I'm doing very very well. 310 00:17:58.920 --> 00:18:01.640 How you doing? You know, I'm living a dream and 311 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:04.839 it's not a nightmare. So I feel like I'm up one, 312 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:07.079 you know, on the competition here a little bit. What 313 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:08.640 are you up to these days? 314 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:12.519 Well, and that's the question today up too is we 315 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:15.119 got football practice to night of six forty five UTA 316 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:18.559 Islanders at Zions Banks Stadium in Herriman. We we got 317 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:21.400 Snow College in about twenty five days August twenty third. 318 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:24.960 Oh, very very very nice. I good for you. Well, 319 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:26.720 thanks for joining the show. I appreciate it. 320 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:29.519 Well, it's great to be here. I want to ask 321 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:32.200 you a question, Scott quickly getting into it, what do 322 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:34.000 you think of Utah's quarterback? I got to ask you. 323 00:18:34.000 --> 00:18:35.200 I went and saw him the other day. I have 324 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:37.119 asked you questions. I want to think, Well, what's your 325 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:38.720 take on this guy? I don't know much about them. 326 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:40.400 I'm kind of to not being the loop. Can you 327 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:41.799 fill me in? What do you think of this kid? 328 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:48.119 Well, let me tell you about Devon dam Pier. You know, 329 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:51.640 the quarterback right lee or wrongly, has such an impact 330 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:55.559 on the outcome of games, and even more so in 331 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:59.160 college And what I like about Devon Dampier is that 332 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:03.079 he really is a multifaceted player. He can manufacture offense 333 00:19:03.799 --> 00:19:05.960 in a lot of different ways. He has the best 334 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:09.720 sack ratio of any player in college football, so he 335 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:13.200 doesn't get sacked very often. He's very elusive. He's a 336 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:16.640 he's a smart runner. You know, I think I think 337 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:20.359 Cam Rising maybe wasn't a smart runner. You know, he 338 00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:23.160 liked to run into trouble and uh, you know which 339 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:25.079 was you know, part of what made him great too. 340 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:29.200 But uh, and Devin control the ball of fairly effective. 341 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:33.079 So you know, I believe he's a catalyst for Utah 342 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:36.599 to be being able to be more explosive and score 343 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:39.759 more points on offense. And and if you if you 344 00:19:39.839 --> 00:19:42.759 do that, then then the team certainly is going to 345 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:45.480 have a very very good year this year. I don't 346 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:47.440 I don't see it being a real big problem that 347 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:50.079 he's kind of moving up, you know, in a in 348 00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:53.160 a tier of sports. You know, I think he's you know, 349 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:55.720 because he's a really good athlete. He'll adjust to everything. 350 00:19:56.359 --> 00:19:59.599 He's got some good people around him. Offensive line, U 351 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:02.640 wide receiver position is still kind of up for grabs, 352 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:05.559 But I think he's going to have a huge impact 353 00:20:05.599 --> 00:20:08.079 on the team this year. I really do. Well. 354 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:11.839 I appreciate repill me and I'm asking because I'm going 355 00:20:11.920 --> 00:20:16.319 to be going to practice tomorrow sometime next week. I'm 356 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:17.799 gonna be looking at the kid. We're running the spread 357 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:21.039 offense in our team, and I know Utah it's going 358 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:23.440 to be well a newbie, but really an oldie if 359 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:25.759 you go back to Irber and the other stuff. The 360 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:28.680 spread offense. Man, you know, I'm just I'm learning a 361 00:20:28.680 --> 00:20:30.480 little bit about it and where I've heard about this 362 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:32.480 kid because he's a winner. I know they won five 363 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:35.519 games last year in Mexico, maybe four, but not an 364 00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:37.319 easy place to win. And I hear that this kid 365 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:40.519 has the intangibles. This is a little short, but I'm 366 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:42.839 interested to see. You know, I know how big you are, Sky, 367 00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:44.920 I know you know, in the old school offenses, that 368 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:47.559 was kind of a premium. So I'm interested to. 369 00:20:47.559 --> 00:20:48.119 See how works. 370 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:50.240 You know, he's the shorter guy, but they're running a 371 00:20:50.240 --> 00:20:55.240 more spread, open offense. I think I'm interested to see. 372 00:20:55.039 --> 00:20:55.480 If it works. 373 00:20:55.480 --> 00:20:57.359 Honestly, this is a new before it's been a while 374 00:20:57.359 --> 00:20:58.440 since we run this offense. 375 00:20:59.160 --> 00:21:01.720 I think it worked. Here's the thing about offense. I'll 376 00:21:01.759 --> 00:21:04.920 just get I'll just enlighten you. Okay, it's really simple. 377 00:21:05.799 --> 00:21:08.000 You just pick a guy and let it fly. That 378 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:11.119 was the best advice I ever got, and and it 379 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:14.279 was really good advice. And then the other advice was, 380 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:17.000 no matter how good your defense is, you can't beat 381 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:20.000 a perfect throw. So that's true. That's all you got 382 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:22.400 to do. You just you just make a perfect throw 383 00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:24.880 and pick a guy and just let it fly, and 384 00:21:25.279 --> 00:21:27.680 everything else will happen. All right, I have to ask 385 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:30.160 you this. I I have been wanting to ask you 386 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:33.119 this question for some time now. I need I need 387 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:35.200 to understand. Are you on an NDA where you can't 388 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:37.799 talk about your experience at Colorado or can you can? 389 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:38.279 You? 390 00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:40.279 I can talk about I mean, yeah, I can talk 391 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:43.400 about it. I don't like to hide anything, right, absolutely, 392 00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:46.480 if it's a fair game. They all talked about it. 393 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:50.279 So what was what was Deon like? Because he's fascinating 394 00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:52.440 to me because he's so flashy, you know, and he's 395 00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:54.200 so kind of in your face, but there's a lot 396 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:57.000 of substance there, and I really like a lot of 397 00:21:57.079 --> 00:21:59.960 things that he says and does. What was it really 398 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:01.920 like coaching with him? 399 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:06.960 I would say that as a former NFL guy, he's 400 00:22:07.039 --> 00:22:14.400 about his cliches about that that's kind of a moniker 401 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:17.359 or a character when he's in the public light. But 402 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:21.240 at the same time, he really wants to help these kids. 403 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:25.119 So his heart and the message behind closed doors is 404 00:22:25.160 --> 00:22:29.319 always about the kids first, and even with the you know, 405 00:22:29.839 --> 00:22:31.799 when you talk about football stuff, he wants to take 406 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:34.279 care of the kids like players like like pros. I mean, 407 00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:37.599 so it's the whole the whole conversation is always about 408 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:40.720 kids with him. Now, some of the extracurricular stuff people 409 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:44.039 get excited about. I look at it more like the WWE, 410 00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:46.519 the you know, football and Twitter and the Internet in 411 00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:50.000 general is a platform for characters, and I think Dion 412 00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:52.480 plays the role as well as he can. He's trying 413 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:54.839 to enact change in his you know, the communities that 414 00:22:54.880 --> 00:22:58.000 he grew up in and coming to Colorado Becott. You know, 415 00:22:58.039 --> 00:23:01.200 that's not the most urban setting or the most his 416 00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:03.440 black people just there's not a lot of them there. 417 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:04.000 Okay. 418 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:06.680 He's bringing a whole different type of message to a 419 00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:10.519 group of people, and it's it's an interesting thing to watch. 420 00:23:10.559 --> 00:23:12.559 It's kind of like, you know, it's machine learning. It's 421 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:15.920 two totally different types of machines interacting. And I'm a 422 00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:18.599 big fan of theon. You know, everybody has their faults 423 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:20.880 or problems, especially me. I'm not anyone to say that, 424 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:24.000 so whenever people are critical of anybody, I'm always you know, 425 00:23:24.440 --> 00:23:26.480 what's the the big general message with him is he 426 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:28.119 wants to help kids, and I think he's put his 427 00:23:28.119 --> 00:23:29.039 money where his mouth is. 428 00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:31.759 I'm glad to hear that because I do. I like 429 00:23:31.799 --> 00:23:34.319 a lot of what he says, and I can resonate 430 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:37.079 with a lot of it, so it is fascinating. Speaking 431 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:42.519 of Dion, he's hired Marshall Fall Hall of Famer, Warren Sapp, 432 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:46.960 Hall of Famer, Byron Lefwich, longtime NFL quarterback, Super Bowl 433 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:51.240 champion himself. He surrounded himself with a bunch of Hall 434 00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:53.920 of Fame NFL players. Is that a good Is that 435 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:57.880 a good thing? Does that work having all these because 436 00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:01.039 there's kind of maybe this, well, NFL players they don't 437 00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:03.839 really want to, you know, spend the time and put 438 00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:06.200 in the hours like a like a coach has to do. 439 00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:09.160 Maybe they're a little bit of prima donna. What what 440 00:24:09.680 --> 00:24:14.599 do you feel about hiring a significant amount of high 441 00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:16.720 profile former NFL plays? 442 00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:20.480 Well, I think it's definitely a double edged short because 443 00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:24.559 a lot of times US players that we get ready 444 00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:26.079 for it. We can get ourselves ready for the game, 445 00:24:26.119 --> 00:24:28.240 right when you're talking about getting ten other people ready, 446 00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:32.000 that's a whole other animal. Sometimes personal routines don't cross over. 447 00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:35.039 With all that being said, Warren Staff was fantastic a 448 00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:38.960 short time I spent with him. He was fantastic, inspiring, informative. 449 00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:44.640 Now to your point about NFL guys, right, especially some 450 00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:46.480 Hall of famers, they're not going to get coffee, and 451 00:24:46.519 --> 00:24:49.519 they they've paid their dues to the game in that regard, 452 00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:53.480 and that sometimes doesn't sit with coaches. But you and 453 00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:55.079 I were in the NFL, dude. You if you're a 454 00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:57.000 Hall of Famer, you walk into a room of football 455 00:24:57.039 --> 00:24:59.240 guys and you're the gap. And so that's kind of 456 00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:03.160 a thing where with Warren, with Marshall, with with Prime, 457 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:06.079 I think Prime, uh, you know, as Prime always says, 458 00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:07.920 even in the Hall of Fame, there's levels to it, right, 459 00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:11.359 I think Prime is probably in the penthouse of the 460 00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:14.599 first team. All a history of the NFL is probably 461 00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:17.519 on sand question. So in that room, right, he still 462 00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:19.599 carries a little bit of weight. There's still a little 463 00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:22.039 bit of reverence. Right when Dion says something with football, 464 00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:23.599 it's like, that's Deion Sanders, dude. 465 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:30.319 So back when you played, for some reason, I got 466 00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:32.119 in the first segment I got, I went, I went 467 00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:35.400 kind of down memory lane a little bit, and there 468 00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:36.720 was one of the things that popped in my head. 469 00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:39.680 I didn't say it on the radio, but I remember 470 00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:44.279 a time when Coachula, who was pretty hard nosed, and 471 00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:47.680 you played for a guy Bilichick who was pretty hard nosed, well, 472 00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:53.519 and winningham was no you know, uh aqual either. But 473 00:25:54.160 --> 00:25:58.640 Coachula one year said, hey, all the veteran players can 474 00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:03.359 stay home during training and but if we have any issues, 475 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:05.759 then you're all back in the dorm. So we have 476 00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:10.200 this big meeting, like, you know, hey, don't screw this up, 477 00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:12.920 like Coachla doesn't do stuff like this. So this is 478 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:15.920 nice that we can stay home. And so you know, 479 00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:18.599 we go two or three days and the guy guy 480 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:23.119 messes up big time, really bad. And he in fact, 481 00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:28.319 he he didn't show up one day for practice and 482 00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:30.440 and he didn't show up till six o'clock that night, 483 00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:33.200 and he made up this. He made up the story 484 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:36.839 that he was kidnapped and and he was taken out 485 00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:37.599 into the ever. 486 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:39.599 Place such like Miami, I got a story like this 487 00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:43.400 to keep going, keep going. Could happen? 488 00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:44.200 No, it did. 489 00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:45.759 So it's just like this. 490 00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:48.319 Guy's in the says they took me to the Everglades. 491 00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:50.480 Really they took him out in the Everglades. He took 492 00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:53.240 his car, he had to walk back. And so so 493 00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:57.119 the FBI gets involved in this and they start asking questions. 494 00:26:57.160 --> 00:27:00.200 They realize this guy's not telling the truth. It's he 495 00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:02.440 finally admits the truth. He says, look, I slept in, 496 00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:04.960 I panicked. I didn't want to mess it up for 497 00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:07.920 the team, so I made up this story. Oh I 498 00:27:07.960 --> 00:27:10.680 got kidding. So so back in the dorms we go, 499 00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:13.920 and the team was so furious with this guy that 500 00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:17.279 they taped him to a palm tree. Oh my bigness. 501 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:20.160 And and he was out there, you know, with the 502 00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:22.279 with the athletic tape. You know, they taped your ankles. 503 00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:26.599 They this guy do a palm tree for he was 504 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:28.720 and he was out there all night long. Did you 505 00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:32.279 ever have any crazy things like that happened when you 506 00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:33.400 played in the NFL. 507 00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:36.079 I gotta tell you. College was a little college. We 508 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:40.680 had more of that stuff. Okay, Okay, College was and 509 00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:41.599 it got cleaned up. 510 00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:43.880 As we got older. Okay, but there was a lot 511 00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:45.359 of that hazy but it would. 512 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:49.400 Say we were just wild man, you know, twenty years ago, 513 00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:51.599 fifteen years ago, guys would do wild stuff. 514 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:55.480 And in the NFL we saw a little bit. 515 00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:56.559 Of that carried you know, helmets. 516 00:27:56.519 --> 00:27:56.880 You're there. 517 00:27:56.920 --> 00:27:59.000 And I saw rookie dinner in Miami. I was playing 518 00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:00.720 for the Dolphins. I saw a lot of stuff in Miami. 519 00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:02.519 I was only there for six month. I saw some 520 00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:06.279 crazy stuff in Miami. But we had a rookie dinner 521 00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:08.519 where you know I was. I was in a rookie 522 00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:09.680 but I was there. And this is the end of 523 00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:12.000 the season and one of the one of the vets 524 00:28:12.039 --> 00:28:15.000 right Hall of Fame guy. It was the table. So 525 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:16.839 it's about thirty five grand. He says, give me five 526 00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:18.440 thousand dollars your finest wine to go. 527 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:19.000 It's not high. 528 00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:21.519 I want to get to four thousands. He walked out. 529 00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:23.799 So you see, while somebody I saw a guy in 530 00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:27.480 Miami one time, a linebacker. He didn't show up for 531 00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:30.880 the first game. Okay, we're in La he goes missing. 532 00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:33.039 I mean, that doesn't happen. Then we find out he's 533 00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:35.759 flown out to his former team. And this is all 534 00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:37.680 during the week of the game. So any story you 535 00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:39.720 tell me about Miami Dolphins, Scott, I gotta tell you. 536 00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:40.519 I believe you. 537 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:42.720 And they made a movie about it, didn't Jim Carey 538 00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:44.880 wasn't he in a movie? They spintera PEP Detective was 539 00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:46.640 not about somebody in the Dolphins. 540 00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:50.400 Well it was it was Dan Marino and that someone 541 00:28:50.519 --> 00:28:53.480 stole the Miami Dolphin mascot the dolphin. 542 00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:54.720 There you go, who had done it? 543 00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:56.200 Okay, And I gotta tell you the. 544 00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.480 Dolphins is why I described Miami. I see it's like 545 00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:01.039 Lostgas and Ellie had a baby. 546 00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:06.839 Dude, you know what that is a perfect that. Yeah, 547 00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:08.200 I was just going to say this is you know, 548 00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:11.200 they say what state. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, 549 00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:13.160 and Miami's probably ten times worse. 550 00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:15.759 So, oh, dude, I went to spring Bak there one time, 551 00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:17.200 and we tell you what th just can't tell the 552 00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:19.160 stories here, but you see wild stuff and just like 553 00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:22.119 I saw that, I didn't. I just show the NFL 554 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:24.480 was wild, but Miami was. I was in New York, Miami, 555 00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:26.400 in Boston, Miami and the short time I was there 556 00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:27.200 was the wildest. 557 00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:28.440 It's crazy. 558 00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:32.559 So training camps have started, you know, Fall camp at 559 00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:35.279 the U has started. Uh, how did how did you 560 00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:37.480 like camp? What was your what was your take on 561 00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:39.440 going back to football? 562 00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:43.880 I would say I'm the last of the generation of 563 00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:47.839 two a days. They ended my year after I left. 564 00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:50.640 They didn't allow them anymore. I think it was twenty fifteen. Wow, 565 00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:54.359 we had two days, and I know the old days 566 00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:56.079 were harder. They always were harder than the old days, right. 567 00:29:56.079 --> 00:30:00.519 They always say that day go Ahead said, of course, 568 00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:03.799 I agree with you. So there's always stories of that. 569 00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:07.599 But I remember camp being time to compete. So there 570 00:30:07.640 --> 00:30:10.240 was always jobs and for whatever reason, they always tried 571 00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:14.119 to replacement. You thought I was and it was a 572 00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:16.759 good thing because we're bringing good players, right right, So 573 00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:19.000 Nate Orchard, right, we were bringing a guys behind me 574 00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:22.359 or I was like, and so James Iono. There's a 575 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:24.839 lot of guys that I was always for me. Camp 576 00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:27.359 was a time where I had to fight, all right. 577 00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:29.400 That was fight time. That was the time to go. 578 00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:31.839 I had to whoop some people's butts to make sure 579 00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:34.000 and this is my spot, you get what I'm saying. 580 00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:36.480 So there was a you don't really compete against the 581 00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:41.960 offense or the appointent. You're competing against the offense, and 582 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.440 you're competing as an eventsive player against your competition by 583 00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:48.519 seeing who can fight harder. And I'm interested to see that. 584 00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:51.039 I want to see that fight in this team this year. Scott. 585 00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:53.359 I got to tell you they lost a quarterback last year, 586 00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:56.000 and I thought they powdered a little bit. I thought 587 00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:57.359 we had more in the tank than what we gave. 588 00:30:57.400 --> 00:30:59.519 And so I think coach would agree with that. The 589 00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:02.079 message year is we're gonna they should fight. We're gonna 590 00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:04.440 fight for every down, every inch, or we freaking play. 591 00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:06.279 I want to say that you'd fight it out like 592 00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:07.319 we used to, you know what I mean. 593 00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:11.119 Yeah, it's a good observation because I would agree with you. 594 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:15.359 And and and there just wasn't There wasn't that uh determination. 595 00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:19.200 And you have to wonder because you know, coach Whittingham's 596 00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:22.200 done such a great job there and culture and and 597 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.160 uh and having that fight and uh and and it 598 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:28.799 felt like he almost slipped up and said, hey, you know, 599 00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:32.160 he goes, I couldn't end my career on what happened 600 00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:34.960 last year. So it almost sounded like he was ready 601 00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:39.359 to retire. And you wonder if maybe subconsciously he was 602 00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:41.559 a little bit more relaxed because maybe he thought he 603 00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:44.480 was going to retire. And uh and and and because 604 00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:46.160 I don't get a sense from the team this year 605 00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:48.720 that they're like, oh, you know that there seems to 606 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:50.640 be a sense of urgency. There does seem to be 607 00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:52.880 a lot of fight and a lot of a lot 608 00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:55.839 of players for a lot of reasons. But uh, I 609 00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:58.039 just wonder if that that might have something to do 610 00:31:58.079 --> 00:31:58.680 with it. I don't know. 611 00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:01.480 I think that out. You know this now that they're 612 00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:03.799 a pro organization, they're making plans two and three. 613 00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:04.440 Years in advance. 614 00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:07.279 They want to win now, right, But when you're buying 615 00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:10.559 freshman Okay, everybody have to listen to this. Now, when 616 00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:13.279 you're paying rookies, you're buying freshmen, you're paying for development, 617 00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:16.920 you're buying you're buying your time right right, you're waiting 618 00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:19.400 to see. So it's a fine line. Last year they 619 00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:21.400 went all in on the quarterback, right, and not a 620 00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:23.400 bad move. You've got a fifth year, sixth you guy 621 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:25.880 coming back, you got Keithy coming back. This is a 622 00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:27.720 veteran team, so they thought by the end of the 623 00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:30.160 season they were a young team. Because of the injuries 624 00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:30.720 and because of. 625 00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:31.319 What had happened. 626 00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:33.920 I would say Kyle was not ready because he would 627 00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:37.400 probably consider this, maybe he was ready to retire. Because 628 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:39.079 if I'm looking at it, and I haven't told me so, 629 00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:43.160 I'm looking at it from an organization standpoint, that's the peak. 630 00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:45.880 The peak they're supposed to return the investment on that year. 631 00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:47.920 Does that make sense with the quarterback and all the 632 00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:50.920 guys returning. That was the year where the full investment 633 00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:53.119 return was most to common. It was a complete disaster, 634 00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:56.200 obviously due to injuries among other things. 635 00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:01.279 Speaking of coach winning, am, what's your least favorite memory 636 00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:03.279 of coach with you? Oh? 637 00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:05.599 For sure, when we used to roll. They don't do 638 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:06.039 that here. 639 00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:07.920 Anymore, but always there. 640 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:08.920 When we had to roll. 641 00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:10.440 They used to roll. 642 00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:13.279 It's old school military. He did in high school too, 643 00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:16.440 but we used to roll. It was the thing in football. 644 00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:18.640 And that was the worst memory I ever had a coach. Okay, 645 00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:21.839 running if we ever were late or did something really bad, 646 00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:23.759 you know, rolling was always last resort. It was like 647 00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:28.400 if a guy refused to come to practice or missing 648 00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:31.079 study all three or four times. That was my worst 649 00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:33.400 memory though as a ute, was always having to roll 650 00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:35.240 because I was afraid of it. Was only I couldn't 651 00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:38.640 beat everybody up. I would get motion sickness. But other 652 00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:40.359 than that, I had a great time with coach. I 653 00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:42.160 liked the toughness. I thought it was good for us. 654 00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:46.440 I liked everything about it. Honestly, hold on a second. 655 00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:50.440 When you say roll, would you like just do somersaults 656 00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:50.960 and roll? 657 00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:53.000 And they used to roll on the side. There wasn't 658 00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:56.240 like long, long gated roll for fifty yards, roll for 659 00:33:56.240 --> 00:33:59.960 one hundred yards, nothing. That was just roll on your side. 660 00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:03.400 But what it was was just mental toughness his old 661 00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:06.319 school marine training. Again, they don't do that anymore than 662 00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:08.800 we've done it for a number of years. But that was, 663 00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:13.760 you know, that was That was my least favorite memory 664 00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.280 of Coach. And other than that, and it wasn't even 665 00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:18.239 that bad, right, we're just rolling. It wasn't like it was. 666 00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:22.280 But other than that, I Coach was pretty fair, all right. 667 00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:24.119 If you talked to him and really have a real conversation, 668 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:26.039 I think people will find it Coach leading him is 669 00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:27.480 the fair guy. 670 00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:32.119 What what? What? Uh? Why did you go to Utah? 671 00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:34.519 I wasn't going to go to Mike Leaves the tech Okay, 672 00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:35.679 I signed there at a high school. 673 00:34:37.039 --> 00:34:39.800 Leads was you know, he's in the I had an 674 00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:40.920 interesting family, right. 675 00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:44.119 We're from San Diego, we're working in Tijuana, and we're 676 00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:46.400 working in the other places. We were contractors and so 677 00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:51.920 always making networks everywhere. An uncle mine, Kurt Salisbury, his 678 00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:55.559 brother actually Brett Salisbury's mouth coordinator, brother of Shawn Salisbury. 679 00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:56.840 I think you know him Scott. 680 00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:59.239 Quarterback and he's on the radio. Uh. 681 00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:01.840 He played red with Mike at b YU back in 682 00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:03.719 the eighties, and so when I was coming out of 683 00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:06.320 high school, Kirk kind of raised me a little bit. 684 00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:06.760 Right he was. 685 00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:10.000 And I went to a rugby tournament with Mike Leach 686 00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:12.559 and at University Cow it was a ba He re union. 687 00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:14.840 When I was sixteen. I got to meet Leech and 688 00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:17.440 hang out with him for a weekend. He liked my tape, 689 00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:18.679 so I was going to go there. I get off 690 00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:20.760 my mission and Leach just one of eleven games and 691 00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:23.360 they didn't give me an extension. The whole thing with 692 00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:26.480 Adam and then the Adam James thing came up next year. 693 00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:27.960 But my dad was like, hey, you might want to 694 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:29.480 read between the lines. He's probably not going to be 695 00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:32.559 there much longer. So my brother was walking on in 696 00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:34.559 Utah as a basketball player and a football player a 697 00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:38.559 j Riley and seven and eight excuse me, and so 698 00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:41.320 they knew who he was and they said my brother said, hey, 699 00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:45.039 my Trevor is available. And so when I came off 700 00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:47.679 my mission and I opened my recruiting and it was 701 00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:51.559 the UCLA with Norm chow Utah or Leech at Tech, 702 00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:54.039 and so I chose Utah. They had Paul Krueger just 703 00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:56.360 graduated and coach. But told me, he says, this is 704 00:35:56.360 --> 00:35:59.079 where we see you being the guy. And so that's 705 00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:02.239 kind of how that went. Scalley Range with a guy 706 00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:04.400 named Steve mcdonne. I told this last week, set up 707 00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.840 a meeting in Saint George, and the rest is history. 708 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:09.639 But I got to you kind of on a back 709 00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:11.400 door deal. I was, you know, it was a push forward. 710 00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:12.840 It was kind of basically a walk on. 711 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:18.599 What was Mike Leach like? Because I I love to 712 00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:22.599 listen to him interview him during the PAC twelve Days 713 00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:25.320 like he was just I wanted to go spend like 714 00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:26.519 a week with Mike Leach. 715 00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:30.159 So funny story, Okay, I want to hear my uncle 716 00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:34.280 and he's talking to brother telling stories about the time 717 00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:37.480 Mike Leach invited my uncle Keith and uncle Kurt to 718 00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:39.679 come to love It to present their Pop Warner football 719 00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:42.079 offense to him. I swear to you just told me 720 00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:44.239 the story. Okay, he says, put it up on the board. 721 00:36:44.239 --> 00:36:46.239 So they're up there and they're dissecting our twelve year 722 00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:49.840 old Pop Warner football tape and so He's that type 723 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:51.480 of guy. Right when I when I committed to him, 724 00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:53.599 I was it was it was in La or something, 725 00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:56.599 and he calls me and my uncle's on the phone 726 00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:58.000 and by the end of the conversation it was like 727 00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.440 a half hour. He's talking to me about wild Blueys 728 00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:01.000 in Norway. 729 00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:03.880 Was a very interesting guy. 730 00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:07.519 I think he went with the flow. I went visiting 731 00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:10.039 a Mississippi State and he showed up like the practice 732 00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:12.000 every day, and then the team as soon as he 733 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:14.119 showed up late, they stopped the practice. Every player on 734 00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:15.960 the team wull start clapping for him and cheering form 735 00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:21.039 so complete players coach. Definite cowboy from Cody, Wyoming and 736 00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:24.199 he was a great guy to me. Dude, always nice. 737 00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:26.000 I always took the time. When we needed to hire 738 00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:29.239 it at Jackson State, Dion had me reach out to 739 00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:32.719 him and within hours we had to Brett Barborloni another 740 00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:35.760 guy as recommendations, and then he invited us out to 741 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:38.760 go visit him. So very open guy, very caring and 742 00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:39.800 always was nice to me. 743 00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:40.880 And again he. 744 00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:42.960 Invites my uncles to go out and present their Pop 745 00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:46.000 Warner offense while he's coaching at Texas tex Just a 746 00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:46.920 crazy fun guy. 747 00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:55.360 Now, So a funny story about Mike Leach. After my 748 00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:58.360 second year with the Miami Dolphins, I played in the 749 00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:01.320 World League in the offseason with the Miami with the 750 00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:06.119 Orlando Thunder, and he was recruiting and came through Florida 751 00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:09.239 and stopped at our practice and watched it. Because we 752 00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:11.920 ran we ran a no huddle offense and we ran 753 00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:17.039 a spread offense essentially like back. Galen Hall was our coach, 754 00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:19.679 and we had a wristband we just called the place 755 00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:21.480 at the line of scrimmage. And he goes, that's what 756 00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:24.320 I want to do, and he says that that was 757 00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:29.119 the catalyst that started his whole air raid spread offense. 758 00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:34.920 To go on that drive down there. 759 00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:37.679 He told me, yeah, and that that and I was 760 00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:40.159 playing for the team back then and that was fun. 761 00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:42.559 He was, He was great, what's that? 762 00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:45.000 Let me ask you that about that offense. Who was 763 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:47.559 the person on your guys staff that was pushing that offense? 764 00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:50.360 Do you remember? It was Galen Hall? So Galen had 765 00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:54.400 been the Yeah, he'd been the coach at at Florida 766 00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:57.800 and it's a very offensive minded guy. Had spent a 767 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:02.000 lot of time with actually Joe Paterno at Penn State 768 00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:05.440 and we just had like we very very rarely ran 769 00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:08.159 the football. It was very fun. I had a blast 770 00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:10.960 one of the funnest times. In fact. You you played 771 00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:14.079 for the Stallions, the Salt Lake Stallions. Yes, and it 772 00:39:14.119 --> 00:39:16.960 was a similar type of thing. Oh. I just loved 773 00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:19.559 I loved it, and I was just pulling so so 774 00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:23.280 hard for that league to actually succeed. And I just 775 00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:25.840 have a tender heart for spring football and all that 776 00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:28.320 stuff because it made a huge difference for me in 777 00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:31.760 my career. I went back to the game totally. 778 00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:35.599 When you played and I played, right, it was me, 779 00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:38.800 Silver Solana, Mike Purcell, a lot of the Utah Wyoming guys. 780 00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:41.639 We were on this team right, and we killed it 781 00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:44.159 on defense because our minds were free. We just loved 782 00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:45.960 to play. It was fun to play, man. I remember 783 00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:47.559 John Peace told me when he got out of the 784 00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:50.280 military and was done playing. He came back and was 785 00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:52.760 getting his degree at Westminster. He played on a scrimmage 786 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:54.960 team for him and they used to go on practicing 787 00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:57.880 people and in his late twenties, Wow, and I asked him, so, 788 00:39:57.920 --> 00:39:59.559 why did you do this. I just love to play, man, 789 00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:02.199 I just love to play. So that energy then when 790 00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:04.920 you're around it. Right, that's the walk on energy that 791 00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:06.440 called they'll play for free type guys. 792 00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:06.719 Right. 793 00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:08.000 I love those typic dudes. 794 00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:09.199 I love the atmosphere. 795 00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:12.440 It was a fun time, it really was. I get 796 00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:15.159 it all right. Well, I'm gonna let you go. Really 797 00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:19.599 enjoyed this. Good luck with practice tonight, and hopefully we'll 798 00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:22.119 see you around soon. And that's luck to you. Really 799 00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:23.239 enjoyed this today, don't. 800 00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:25.880 Thank you, Yes, mister Mitchell, and always good to talk 801 00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:26.920 to you. We'll talk to you soon. 802 00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:30.360 All right, sounds good? All right, there you have a 803 00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:34.000 Trevor Riley. What a fun conversation. I hope you enjoyed that, 804 00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:37.239 because I sure did. ESPN seven hundred listeners help children 805 00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:39.800 at the road homes, start school and style. Stop by 806 00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:42.960 the advocates in Ogden, American Fork or Murray. Pick an 807 00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.599 apple from the tree and you can supply clothes and 808 00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:47.960 backpacks for a child at the road home. Every child 809 00:40:48.039 --> 00:40:51.199 deserves an advocate. Stop by today. See ESPN seven hundred 810 00:40:51.199 --> 00:40:55.039 sports dot com for more details here on ESPN seven 811 00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:57.239 hundred ninety two one FM. Proud to be a part 812 00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:02.679 of ESPN's network, and of course you Tulls number one 813 00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:05.159 to Sports Talk. Oh Man, have so much fun. It's 814 00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:07.440 just so fun to talk to Trevor Reiley for a 815 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:10.440 little while ago and just some of the some of 816 00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:13.400 the conversations. Crazy day in Sports, I think every day 817 00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:16.239 is a crazy day in sports, and it's gonna get 818 00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:20.159 crazier right now because Sam Brookhouse from Sumer Sports joins 819 00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:22.920 us right now and it's all about the data and 820 00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:24.559 they're going to give us the numbers and they're going 821 00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:27.239 to tell us what is going on in the world 822 00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:31.480 of sports based on the numbers. Sam, Welcome to the program, 823 00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:32.599 and how are you today. 824 00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:35.480 I'm doing great man. Y'all are leading me in with 825 00:41:35.840 --> 00:41:38.360 brick House by the Commodores got me out my seat. 826 00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:40.440 And I can tell you what definitely could tex gets 827 00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:42.440 me out of my seat is some of these highlights 828 00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:46.039 from training camp. On the Summer Sports Show, which we 829 00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:49.320 just released, we went through the stats of what you 830 00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:51.400 can really start to believe, and we also met with 831 00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:54.199 some ext general managers and coaches in the NFL to 832 00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:57.000 give us a sense of what you can believe because 833 00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:01.039 sometimes these highlights, you know, they're just that highlights their cliffs. 834 00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:03.599 I know, you know, Scott, how that kind of goes 835 00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:05.880 in training camp. You get excited about a guy based 836 00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:07.760 off of one thing and then it doesn't pan out 837 00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:11.639 all the while. I'm ready. I'm ready for football, man. 838 00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:13.840 All it took was two days of training camp and 839 00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:16.079 I'm back in So. 840 00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:19.000 What crazy stat do you have or crazy data have 841 00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:23.360 you pulled then from your analysis of training camp? 842 00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:26.360 So I think you got to just go back to 843 00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:27.280 the fundamentals. 844 00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:29.800 And the fundamentals that we found this summer when we 845 00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:33.599 were doing research is that the wide receiver position typically 846 00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:36.039 is one where we can get a sense of how 847 00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.559 a player will play, particularly how much he's going to 848 00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:41.239 be targeted, and how big of a part of that 849 00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:44.400 offense he's supposed to be. Obviously the first true wide 850 00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:47.679 receiver if you're considering Travis Hunter as a defensive back. 851 00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:50.920 With Ted Roig McMillan off the board in Carolina, we've 852 00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:54.400 seen some excellent highlights of him. We've heard from the 853 00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:57.000 reports from the notebooks, from some of the beat writers 854 00:42:57.360 --> 00:42:59.719 that the ball has been spread around a little bit, 855 00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:03.440 but it seems that he should be a target earner 856 00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:06.719 this year. I want to see once the preseason games come, 857 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:11.280 if Tedero McMillan in those early snaps. Is getting twenty 858 00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:15.079 to twenty five percent target share obviously could be a 859 00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:18.440 little muted. You want to hide stuff going into the season. 860 00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:21.360 But if he's getting a major amount of reps with 861 00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:24.199 the Ones and he's getting major target share in a 862 00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:27.280 preseason games, I think it could be an indication that 863 00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:30.760 he's a true wide receiver one for the Carolina Panthers. 864 00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:32.599 I'll tell you, I sure liked him when he was 865 00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:35.760 at Arizona. I thought he was a good looking wide 866 00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:38.280 receiver and he was a guy that kind of went 867 00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:43.679 almost unknown. It felt I was like, am I missing something? 868 00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:46.400 Because there was so much hype about all these other 869 00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:51.119 players up early in the draft, and then and then 870 00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:53.400 when draft day came, like he went off the board 871 00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:57.000 relatively early, and I was like, okay, good because because 872 00:43:57.039 --> 00:43:59.239 I think this guy I person. Now, I don't have 873 00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:01.920 the data. I don't study it like you guys do, 874 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:04.559 which is really cool. Maybe I should I might learn something. 875 00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:07.599 That's why I talked to you is because I get 876 00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:09.599 I get all my education when I talk to you, Sam, 877 00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:12.679 so it helps me I feel smarter after I get 878 00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:14.320 up the phone. By the way, so it's it's a 879 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:16.880 good deal. But I just thought, man, this guy's good 880 00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:20.920 and so so that's that's interesting you you brought up 881 00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:26.599 his name. I want to go in a this is 882 00:44:26.679 --> 00:44:29.320 kind of maybe a little different direction, but I think 883 00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:33.360 it's fascinating. It kind of happened today or yesterday. But 884 00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:38.880 Byron Leftwich was signed as a coach with Colorado. So 885 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:41.159 here you've got Coach Prime, who's like one of the 886 00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:45.280 all time greatest. You have Marshall Falk, who is one 887 00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:47.079 of the all time greates, Warren Sap who's one of 888 00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:49.440 the all time grades, Byron Leftwich who was a pretty 889 00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:51.280 darn good quarterback in the NFL and won a couple 890 00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:54.119 of Super Bowls or won a Super Bowl as a coach, 891 00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:59.679 And is there any data about former Like I know 892 00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:03.199 a lot of players former players, but this is like, 893 00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:08.079 this is like a Hall of Fame coaching staff. You know, 894 00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:10.360 does it make him a better coaching staff? Does it 895 00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:13.840 make him worse? What are the statistics or what kind 896 00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:17.000 of information do you have about the impact the coach 897 00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:20.239 has based on the success that the coach had as 898 00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:20.719 a player. 899 00:45:21.719 --> 00:45:24.199 So I think it's very interesting because one of the 900 00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:30.000 hardest problems in football is disentangling a quarterback who touches 901 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.960 the ball every play from his play caller who is 902 00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:36.280 obviously making the call every play and putting the ball 903 00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:39.239 in the quarterback's hands, and you know, sending in multiple 904 00:45:39.239 --> 00:45:42.239 plays and so forth and so on, and so that's 905 00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:45.880 even more important at the college level. Fyron Leftwich obviously 906 00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:49.920 was with Tom Brady for years in bucks Land and 907 00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:54.119 Tampa Bay. And you know Brady twenty plus years. A 908 00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:56.840 forty two year old has seen it all. Obviously, a 909 00:45:56.880 --> 00:46:00.639 lot of that offense was with Brady. Now he's coming 910 00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:04.679 into a situation where he'll be coaching at Colorado. Caden Salter, 911 00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:09.480 the transfer quarterback from Liberty, obviously has won an absolute 912 00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:13.440 metric ton of games. Liberty has been very successful. It's 913 00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:18.000 going to be interesting how we kind of allocate credit 914 00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:21.159 there if Colorado ends up winning a lot of games. 915 00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:24.079 Shador Sanders while he was there, kind of kept the 916 00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:29.519 wheels running despite having two different offensive coordinators. Obviously two 917 00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:31.880 years ago, a little bit more of an air raid system, 918 00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:34.400 last year, a little bit more pro style. The signing 919 00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:37.440 of Byron Leftwich probably means they want to continue going 920 00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:41.400 in that kind of pro style, but still spread attack. 921 00:46:41.800 --> 00:46:45.440 So I'm really interested to see if Caden Salter maintains 922 00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:48.559 the same kind of profile, how much he scrambles, how 923 00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:51.519 much he's throwing the ball away. But I really want 924 00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:53.920 to know about that running game. If Byron Leftwich is 925 00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:56.159 able to get that running game of Colorado, which has 926 00:46:56.199 --> 00:47:01.440 struggled at times going, especially given the struggles the Buccaneers 927 00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:03.679 had back in the day when Brady was there, I 928 00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:06.239 think that could be a real imprint that number one 929 00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:10.400 Byron Leftwich is probably an excellent coach, and that offensive 930 00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:13.519 staff is probably going places, and that the quarterback is 931 00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:15.480 put in a position to make the right checks at 932 00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:19.039 the line, check into the runs when you get the 933 00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:21.000 good looks, and stuff like that. And I think that's 934 00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:24.119 kind of what we want to understand, because the data 935 00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:28.159 really shows that it's very difficult to disentangle in the NFL, 936 00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:31.320 for example, a Jimmy Garoppolo or a Brock Party from Mi, 937 00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:32.960 Kyle Shanahan type character. 938 00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:39.400 Just by way of some fascinating information about Byron Lefwitch 939 00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:45.000 and Tom Brady and Tampa Bay, one of the coaches 940 00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:48.280 that was there, he would probably be called a senior analyst, 941 00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:51.679 Tom Moore. Of course, Tom Moore was with the Peyton 942 00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:57.679 Manning for his career in the Indianapolis and Tom Moore 943 00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:03.360 was my co offensive coordinator in Detroit. And so this 944 00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:06.039 is back in nineteen ninety four, ninety five, ninety six, 945 00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:09.800 ninety seven, and we a lot of the plays that 946 00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:15.280 we incorporated into our offense were plays that I part 947 00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:18.320 of the system that I was in with the Miami 948 00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:21.360 Dolphins and Don Shula, which goes all the way back 949 00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:26.239 to Johnny Unitas, right, So these concepts went way back 950 00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:30.599 to Johnny Unias and then and Tom Moore actually was 951 00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:34.039 ran into my agent and he's still coaching with the 952 00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:37.519 Tampa Bay Buccaneers today, and he said, you know, we're 953 00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:40.519 still running a lot of the same stuff we did 954 00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:43.000 in Detroit when Scott was there, and this was with 955 00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:46.320 Tom Brady, and so it doesn't ever really change, you know, 956 00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:48.400 And it's just to fascinating. When you were you mentioned 957 00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:52.239 I just like, yeah, this offense, I know it, I 958 00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:55.119 lived it, I was part of it in this long 959 00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:57.880 kind of cool history, you know, because it went it 960 00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:01.840 went quite a few places through the NFL, very success successfully, 961 00:49:01.880 --> 00:49:02.199 mind you. 962 00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:06.000 Right, It's really interesting because we had Chuck Bresnahan, who 963 00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:09.039 is a longtime NFL defense coordinator, has also spent some 964 00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:11.679 time in college now is working with us as a 965 00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:12.559 SUMER scout. 966 00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:13.599 We have all kinds of. 967 00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:18.760 Really really a deep history in football, deep knowledge of 968 00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:21.559 football with us over at SUMER and I was talking 969 00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:23.639 to him pre show. You can you can catch our 970 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:28.079 conversation on the Suomer Sports show where you can find podcasts, 971 00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:30.360 but our best product is on YouTube right now, go 972 00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:33.360 subscribe to that YouTube at Suomer Sports. But we were 973 00:49:33.400 --> 00:49:36.119 discussing because he's a Navy guy, and I went to 974 00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:40.800 Tulane in my day and still to this day, big rivalry, 975 00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:46.840 American newly named American Conference rivalry, and I really disliked 976 00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:49.760 playing Navy, and he was talking about, you know, the 977 00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:52.920 how they used to run back in the day, you know, 978 00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:56.639 a little bit more of a hard nosed offense, less misdirection. 979 00:49:56.880 --> 00:50:00.400 Then obviously the Service Academy start running the triple option. 980 00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:04.039 We were discussing, you know, the depths that that flex 981 00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:07.199 bone attack goes back to. And even Willie Fritz, who 982 00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:10.199 I played in, who I played with, had had roots 983 00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:13.360 in the triple option now at Houston in the Big twelve, 984 00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:17.840 and and so it's so interesting to see, especially like 985 00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:21.480 when we're considering these things about like which quarterbacks succeed, 986 00:50:21.559 --> 00:50:25.679 where is the true lineage, the true history of football, 987 00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:29.599 and all these coaches coming on down even until recently. 988 00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:35.639 It's it's it's fascinating, and you sometimes say, is it 989 00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:38.199 is it the the lineage, is it the is it 990 00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:41.760 the system? Or or is it the guy running the system? 991 00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:44.280 You know, that really makes it makes it come to life, 992 00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:47.840 you know, or or is he just you know? Or 993 00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:50.159 is he just have the good fortune of being in 994 00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:52.800 a good system and because there are bad ones too, 995 00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:56.360 and and uh, you know, and I'm not sure how 996 00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:59.400 I totally land on that. I think it's I really 997 00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:02.239 think it's more or the system fits the guy at 998 00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:04.639 the right time. You know, some guys don't fit in 999 00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:07.760 certain systems even though it might be a good system, 1000 00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:09.599 and they're just not a good fit. 1001 00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:12.679 Well, here's what the data kind of says. 1002 00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:15.280 You know, you look at the quarterback position and these 1003 00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:17.960 guys who are running these systems, and on a year 1004 00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:21.760 to year basis expected points added per play, which is 1005 00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:24.239 something that we analysts like to use just to put 1006 00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:27.719 yards in context. Basically, what it means is that fourth 1007 00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:30.559 and if you get the first down on fourth and three, 1008 00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:33.639 it means a little bit more than if you, you know, 1009 00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:37.360 get sixteen yards on third and twenty five. That's basically 1010 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:41.559 all that expected points added is saying, and that typically 1011 00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:45.960 year to year has a correlation of about fifty to sixty, 1012 00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:49.039 where one hundred is the best. So it's not a 1013 00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:51.960 fantastic correlation year to year. You got to consider things 1014 00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:55.559 like injuries. But what's really interesting is that the amount 1015 00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:59.400 that a quarterback scrambles travels with him even when he 1016 00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:02.719 moves team, even when he moves offensive coordinators, And so 1017 00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:06.760 I think there's a core element of who a quarterback is. 1018 00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:09.679 Guys who like to throw the ball away are probably 1019 00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:12.280 going to continue throwing the ball away. Guys who like 1020 00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:15.000 to scramble a lot are probably going to continue to 1021 00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:18.039 scramble a lot. Guys who get sacked a lot are 1022 00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:21.039 probably going to continue to get sacked a lot. Devin Dampier, 1023 00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:23.159 I know we've talked about this. Scott is not one 1024 00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:26.400 of those guys almost never get sacked, and as a result, 1025 00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:30.519 you can expect that despite whoever the offensive coordinator may be. 1026 00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:34.079 Now the end result, I think the offensive coordinator has 1027 00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:37.400 probably half or more credit. But when it comes down 1028 00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:40.039 to that decision making once the ball is snapped, I 1029 00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:41.760 think the quarterbacks are who they are. 1030 00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:46.400 Okay, So taking all this into consideration and speaking about 1031 00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:51.320 Devin Dampier, he's on a team Utah that arguably well 1032 00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:56.320 certainly has the best offensive line in the Big twelve as. 1033 00:52:56.360 --> 00:52:58.880 The country probably right, yeah. 1034 00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:00.880 Yeah, one or two for sure. And then and then 1035 00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:04.159 he has his his offensive coordinator who came with him. 1036 00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:06.760 And it's kind of like when a guy has a 1037 00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:10.000 personal chef. It's like, I have my personal offensive coordinator 1038 00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:12.400 I bring in with me. That's that's that's how these 1039 00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:15.400 players roll today. So he's got his offensive coordinator, he's 1040 00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:17.760 got a better offensive line, and he's a guy that 1041 00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:23.679 doesn't get sacked. That what you're saying should bode extremely 1042 00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:25.679 well for Utah this year. 1043 00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:30.239 It certainly should bode well in terms of their success 1044 00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:33.119 rate on a play by play basis. I think there 1045 00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:37.000 is per chance, given there's just so many transfers at 1046 00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:40.559 the wide receiver, running back skill positions for this offense. 1047 00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:43.400 I think, you know, maybe it takes some time for 1048 00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:45.840 them to get ready, but there's not going to be 1049 00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:49.159 negative plays, particularly in the passing game. They will be 1050 00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:52.480 at least at the line of scrimmage because that ball 1051 00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:54.280 is going to get thrown away or Damn Pier is 1052 00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:55.800 going to try to make the most of it. But 1053 00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:58.199 there will not be sacks, there will not be negative plays. 1054 00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:00.840 And going over to the NFL, this was the recipe 1055 00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:03.440 for success for the Denver Broncos last year where bo 1056 00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:07.199 Nicks avoided sacks. He wasn't the most efficient in the 1057 00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:10.239 passing game, but they were able to construct an offense 1058 00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:13.400 as the season went along that was pretty successful and 1059 00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:15.800 could make some pretty big plays. I think that's the 1060 00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:19.480 recipe for success. Play behind that offensive line early on 1061 00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:22.360 in the season, gain chemistry between dam Pier and some 1062 00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:24.920 of the new skill players, and then as the season 1063 00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:30.159 goes along that kind of recipe for success, the rue 1064 00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:33.079 as we like to say in Louisiana, will come together, 1065 00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:36.039 We'll know who the guys are, and Dan Pier can 1066 00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:38.440 start moving the ball where it needs to be. I 1067 00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:41.039 think that's the recipe for success. And I think particularly 1068 00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:43.840 if we see that run game start to get moving 1069 00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:46.760 behind those excellent offensive linemen in weeks three or four, 1070 00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:49.760 I think Utah had a really, really, really good shot 1071 00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:52.360 to win the Big twelve, especially given their defensive prowess. 1072 00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:52.800 On the other. 1073 00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:56.039 Side, all great foods starts with a good rue. 1074 00:54:57.039 --> 00:54:59.400 That's true, that says, at least I don't know. 1075 00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:04.679 Oh I know, I know, I may care more about 1076 00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:08.960 food than anything else. So I understand what you're saying. 1077 00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:11.000 So this whole, this whole concept, you know, kind of 1078 00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:15.559 talking about getting excited watching a little bit of NFL 1079 00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:19.199 training camp and players kind of they are who they are, 1080 00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:21.920 you know, Leffard the leopard never loses his spot, so 1081 00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:26.599 to speak. So sder Sanders. You know, there are people 1082 00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:28.800 are like, oh, he might be the starter, and there's 1083 00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:30.960 who knows, or he could be terrible, or he's not 1084 00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:33.920 going to get an you know, you just don't Where 1085 00:55:33.920 --> 00:55:35.880 do you think he might end up in the in 1086 00:55:35.920 --> 00:55:38.000 the in the sense that you know, he held the 1087 00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:41.119 ball a lot at Colorado and he moved himself into 1088 00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:44.480 a lot of sacks, you know, where he was not 1089 00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:47.400 he's not very efficient moving in the pocket. Where do 1090 00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:48.679 you think he ends up this year? 1091 00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:52.840 So I think that's the real question, and that's something 1092 00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:56.119 that we can't really see in practice per se, because 1093 00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:59.119 you're not getting sacked, the quarterback is not getting touched. 1094 00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:00.519 Here's what we know right now. 1095 00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:03.159 Got a pretty good day two weeks ago, excuse me, 1096 00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:04.119 two days ago. 1097 00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:05.920 Nine for nine with two. 1098 00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:09.360 Touchdowns in the red zone drill. We know that he 1099 00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:12.280 is probably running with the second group or even the 1100 00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:15.519 third group, and we have a sense that Joe Flacco 1101 00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:17.440 is running with the first and that there's some injury 1102 00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:20.199 concerns with Kenny Pickett. That's what we know right now. 1103 00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:25.360 We discussed like how general managers are really looking at this. Obviously, 1104 00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:28.320 the media is going to report what they report. We'll 1105 00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:30.719 get a consensus. The preseason games will put it all 1106 00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:33.320 on the line and we can kind of gauge from there. 1107 00:56:33.639 --> 00:56:36.039 But I think if you start seeing him move up 1108 00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:38.800 into the second slot or start to get a couple 1109 00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:41.039 reps with the ones, I think that means a lot 1110 00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:41.480 for what. 1111 00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:43.519 Shad Door Sanders is going to look like in a. 1112 00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:46.639 Kevin Stefanski offense. The second thing that I'll note, and 1113 00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:50.679 this was a real big kind of point of emphasis 1114 00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:53.480 on the Summer Sports Show, which Mike mccagnan, the former 1115 00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:56.599 general manager of the New York Jets, hammered on and 1116 00:56:56.639 --> 00:56:59.519 he said, it's not about one day, It's about you know, 1117 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:02.320 backing those days on top of each other, and so 1118 00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:06.400 I think, particularly with Shador, if you start seeing multiple 1119 00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:11.400 reports day after day after day, that people really are 1120 00:57:11.679 --> 00:57:13.960 starting to gel with him. He's starting to build chemistry 1121 00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:16.440 with the wide receivers. We're seeing stats that outlay that 1122 00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:19.719 accuracy that was his calling card and the positive to 1123 00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:23.559 the con of his sack avoidance. I think that's all good, 1124 00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:25.880 But I think we're going to have to see him 1125 00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:29.079 in particular in the preseason when we can actually get 1126 00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:31.800 a sense of what it looks like when Shador Sanders 1127 00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:34.840 who struggled so mightily with sacks, as you know, the 1128 00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:36.960 bad guys coming after him on the other side on 1129 00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:37.559 the defense. 1130 00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:42.039 This is the Drive with Spence Checket's here on ESPN 1131 00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:44.440 seven hundred and ninety two ONEFM. I'm Scott Mitchell filling 1132 00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:47.840 in for Spence. We're here talking with Sam Brookhouse from 1133 00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:51.239 sumer Sports. Great. Great. I always love to talk to you. 1134 00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:53.159 Just by the way, Sam, one day, I hope to 1135 00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:57.000 meet you because I just I've really enjoyed these conversations 1136 00:57:57.079 --> 00:58:00.920 throughout the past several months or so. So it's it's 1137 00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:01.599 been a lot of fun. 1138 00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:02.559 Uh. 1139 00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:10.840 College football is started the craziness has begun, and I'm 1140 00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:15.960 I'm fascinated about the Big Twelve. From this perspective, it 1141 00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:19.599 feels like there's a lot of quality teams. Like maybe 1142 00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:21.880 from top to bottom, you know, maybe there might be 1143 00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:24.960 four teams that eh, but but the rest of the league, 1144 00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:27.559 you know, it's pretty solid and I wouldn't say there's 1145 00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:30.760 a team you just go, Man, that just really excites me. 1146 00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:35.480 But it's it feels super competitive across across the conference. 1147 00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:38.239 And yet in some of these other conferences, the Big Ten, 1148 00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:42.840 uh SEC, it's more top heavy. You know, there's there's fewer, 1149 00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:45.440 fewer teams. What what do you think is going to 1150 00:58:45.480 --> 00:58:47.880 happen in the Big Twelve this year? And is it better? 1151 00:58:48.199 --> 00:58:50.039 Because I know, I know that's that was kind of 1152 00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:53.599 the push with the conference. You know, we're we're tough 1153 00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:57.280 top to bottom, and the other conferences are trying to say, hey, 1154 00:58:57.360 --> 00:58:59.679 we don't. We don't care about the bottom. We want 1155 00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:01.800 we want five or six teams in the College Football 1156 00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:04.440 playoffs and the rest of them we don't care about. 1157 00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:07.199 And so we want easier schedules. We want, you know, 1158 00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:11.599 an easier path to get to the playoffs. That's what 1159 00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:14.360 we're interested in, So tell me what's going to happen 1160 00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:17.800 at the Big twelve and does it I guess does 1161 00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:20.360 having an average conference mean anything? 1162 00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:23.480 Yeah, I think you've got to start at the top 1163 00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:27.159 from last year. You look at Arizona State and Iowa 1164 00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:31.119 State bringing back quarterbacks Sam Levitt rock Obeck project to 1165 00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:33.400 be two of the better players in the nation this year. 1166 00:59:33.719 --> 00:59:37.159 I don't expect much to change. I think the coaching 1167 00:59:37.199 --> 00:59:38.920 situations that both of those. 1168 00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:42.239 Are pretty stable. I'd expect those two teams to remain 1169 00:59:42.360 --> 00:59:44.920 in the top twenty five for most of the season. 1170 00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:48.800 Unless something goes wrong, particularly at that quarterback position. Then 1171 00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:52.119 I think not to be a homer, but I just 1172 00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:54.679 loved what Utah's done. I think when you go out 1173 00:59:54.719 --> 00:59:57.119 and you get one of the top G five to 1174 00:59:57.239 --> 01:00:00.559 P five quarterback transfers, I think that's a sign in 1175 01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:03.480 the right direction. We've seen that work in the past, 1176 01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:07.199 and I think that that kind of build that they have, 1177 01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:10.800 with an excellent defense building behind you know, pretty young 1178 01:00:11.039 --> 01:00:14.800 but developing and very highly touted offensive line, I think 1179 01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:17.280 that's going to be extremely difficult to beat. In October 1180 01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:20.079 and November. I think Utah has a real chance to 1181 01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:21.960 jump up and then if you want to look kind 1182 01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:24.079 of in the dul drums of the Big twelve, Like 1183 01:00:24.159 --> 01:00:26.960 you said, there's been a lot of teams that kind 1184 01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:29.519 of fifth fault last year and it didn't go necessarily 1185 01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:32.159 their way. I think Houston is going to be one 1186 01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:33.760 of those teams that are going to come in With 1187 01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:39.599 Connor Wegman at quarterback, the one time five star recruit 1188 01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:41.880 who struggled with injury at Texas A and M was 1189 01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:44.159 able to win games but just couldn't get it done, 1190 01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:47.280 ends up going to Houston. Houston now has one of 1191 01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:51.679 the top quarterbacks in future years recruiting wise. This is 1192 01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:55.320 a program that's coming together. This is a program builder 1193 01:00:55.440 --> 01:00:58.000 in coach Willie Fritz, and I think if you notice 1194 01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:00.760 in weeks one, two, or three starting to have an 1195 01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:04.320 effective run game mixed with a lot of talent on 1196 01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:06.719 the back end, I think that could be a team 1197 01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:09.440 who could jump into a conversation or at least kind 1198 01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:11.440 of shuffle stuff up. Last person I want to mention 1199 01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:14.320 I mentioned it a little bit earlier. Caden Salter is 1200 01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:17.039 a name to watch at Colorado. This is the guy 1201 01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:19.239 who has achieved a lot in his career. It's his 1202 01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:23.199 first time at a power conference. I think that coach Prime 1203 01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:26.559 loves to run quarterbacks happy offenses, and I think if 1204 01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:29.039 you start seeing some big numbers put up, I think 1205 01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:32.519 that's a good signal for Colorado. Their defense really came 1206 01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:36.119 together last year. If they can maintain that momentum, that's 1207 01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:38.639 another team that I think can jump all the way 1208 01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:41.840 up into that ASU in Iowa s Eightier. 1209 01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:46.360 Yeah, as you were talking, I just I realized something, 1210 01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:49.519 because you know, one of the things that would certainly 1211 01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:52.039 make the profile for the Big Twelve better is to 1212 01:01:52.039 --> 01:01:54.480 get multiple teams in the college football playoffs. 1213 01:01:54.960 --> 01:01:55.119 Right. 1214 01:01:55.159 --> 01:01:57.880 We talk about in Iowa State, who very impressed with 1215 01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:00.960 a year ago, and I agree with you. I believe 1216 01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:04.199 they're going to be in the conversation. Of course, Arizona 1217 01:02:04.239 --> 01:02:06.519 State brings back, you know, everyone on a team that 1218 01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:07.280 won the conference. 1219 01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:08.519 Uh. 1220 01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:11.599 But but Utah doesn't play They do play Arizona State, 1221 01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:14.159 but they don't play Iowa State. Utah doesn't play Houston 1222 01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:18.320 And and so you could end up on a collision 1223 01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:22.119 course and have multiple teams having really good years just 1224 01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:25.280 because of the nature of the sixteen team conference, and 1225 01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:27.280 and that that may be a way that all of 1226 01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:29.400 a sudden, all of a sudden, you get two teams, 1227 01:02:29.480 --> 01:02:31.519 maybe you have three in the conversation. At the end 1228 01:02:31.559 --> 01:02:32.880 of the day, you end up with two teams in 1229 01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:36.119 the college football playoffs. Then then it then it starts 1230 01:02:36.360 --> 01:02:40.599 creating some credibility for the conference. So, uh, one last 1231 01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:44.559 question before I let you go, who who is a 1232 01:02:44.599 --> 01:02:48.079 player from Utah that we should really watch for? Maybe 1233 01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:50.519 we're maybe we're not, Maybe we're overlooking him, maybe he 1234 01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:52.719 doesn't get a lot of a lot of discussion. But 1235 01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:55.400 is there a player that that maybe we should be 1236 01:02:55.400 --> 01:02:55.960 watching for. 1237 01:02:57.199 --> 01:02:59.440 I think you got to look at those two tackles 1238 01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:03.880 man Spencer Fanu and the right tackle as well, are 1239 01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:06.000 just going to be the tenth Poles. I think that 1240 01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:08.320 is going to start to be the build as we 1241 01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:11.719 talk about the transfer portal in college football. I think 1242 01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:14.320 people have started to figure out that you just cannot 1243 01:03:14.440 --> 01:03:19.599 get excellent tackles in the transfer portal, and I think 1244 01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:21.760 that's really going to be the name of the game 1245 01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:24.480 this year. It's going to be an interesting parallel just 1246 01:03:24.519 --> 01:03:28.199 talking about the Big Twelve because Texas Tech, the Shrine 1247 01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:31.400 Bowl one thousand was put out. Some of the best teams. 1248 01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:34.039 Everyone is a transfer on that team. Man. I mean, 1249 01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:36.880 they've spent twenty five million dollars. They're getting people in 1250 01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:40.440 another team to watch, and so I think those guys 1251 01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:43.800 who have been hand built by Utah across that offensive line, 1252 01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:47.360 particularly at the left tackle position, Spencer Fanuho should be 1253 01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:49.400 one of the best players in the league. You've got 1254 01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:51.599 to give some love to the offensive lineman. I think 1255 01:03:51.639 --> 01:03:55.840 he's going to be one who could be in awards ceremony, 1256 01:03:55.880 --> 01:03:59.199 all American discussions by the time this year. In so, 1257 01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:00.880 I do want to make one more note about the 1258 01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:04.360 Big Twelve here. I've mentioned Texas Tech, you mentioned Baylor 1259 01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:06.239 as well. I just don't think the bottom of the 1260 01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:11.280 conference allows for you know, people to get by on 1261 01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:14.519 schedule last year like they did last year. Taking Miami 1262 01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:17.679 for example, last year didn't play a really good ACC 1263 01:04:17.880 --> 01:04:20.719 team until the very end of the year Syracuse. Syracuse 1264 01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:22.880 ends up beating them. I think the Big Twelve is 1265 01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:25.400 a little bit better than that, and I think even 1266 01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:28.199 the bottom of that conference is still very, very competitive, 1267 01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:31.880 and so it could be a scenario in which every 1268 01:04:31.920 --> 01:04:34.400 team takes each other out. Obviously that doesn't look good 1269 01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:38.039 for prestige, but I think it's because the conference itself 1270 01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:39.360 is strong, tough to bottom. 1271 01:04:40.239 --> 01:04:46.320 Yeah, hopefully the cannibalism won't happen, but we'll see. All right, Sam, 1272 01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:49.599 really appreciate it. Always fine to have a conversation. Have 1273 01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:50.559 a great rest of your day. 1274 01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:52.239 Thank y'all so much. 1275 01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:55.559 All right, there you have it. Sam Brookhouse from Summer 1276 01:04:55.599 --> 01:05:00.000 Sports love those conversations. Data driven, so it's all about 1277 01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:01.320 the numbers to be. 1278 01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:03.719 Ready for all the situations that are going to be 1279 01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:07.760 coming up, and it's really identifying who are to trustworthy 1280 01:05:07.800 --> 01:05:12.000 guys the playmaker does when you put those eleven guys together, 1281 01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:15.159 all doing their different roles, you know who can you 1282 01:05:15.199 --> 01:05:15.840 depend on. 1283 01:05:15.760 --> 01:05:16.280 And count on. 1284 01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:19.760 So it's a matter of finding consistency. Who showed up 1285 01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:24.000 every day consistently getting their job done so we know 1286 01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:26.280 we can count on them to put them out there 1287 01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:28.880 for the game. So that's where you're trying to develop 1288 01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:31.960 that and tease that out or who to count on who? 1289 01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:42.280 Alrighty sports fans, welcome back. It is the drive with 1290 01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:46.119 Spence checkets here on ESPN seven hundred ninety two. I'm 1291 01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:50.719 Scott Mitchell filling in And that was Jason Beck, offensive 1292 01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:54.719 coordinator at the University of Utah, very pivotal coach, one 1293 01:05:54.760 --> 01:05:58.119 that's got a lot on his shoulders, a lot of expectation. 1294 01:05:58.239 --> 01:06:02.199 You've got this uh really strong defense, need some offense. 1295 01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:07.480 So interesting comments there about gaining trust of your coaches 1296 01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:12.559 such an important thing. You can also hear the full 1297 01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:17.679 interview on the old website that's ESPN seven other sports 1298 01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:21.840 dot com, or on the app ESPN seven other sports app. 1299 01:06:22.719 --> 01:06:24.800 You get that, but we're also going to play a 1300 01:06:24.800 --> 01:06:27.920 lot more of it here in the show coming up 1301 01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:31.960 in a bit, and do a deeper dive, a deeper analysis, 1302 01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:37.639 analysis by paralysis or paralysis by analysis. In other words, 1303 01:06:37.679 --> 01:06:42.440 don't overthink things. People don't over complicate them. And people 1304 01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:45.760 do that sometimes in football. They over complicate things. They 1305 01:06:45.800 --> 01:06:47.639 make it so much harder than it has to be. 1306 01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:50.679 Like I said earlier in the show, just keep it simple, 1307 01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:54.119 pick a guy and let it fly. And when you 1308 01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:58.880 can just play freely and just play instinctively, play pretty good. 1309 01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:04.199 See I could be a coach. It's not that hard. Yeah, 1310 01:07:04.480 --> 01:07:07.679 I actually was a coach. We're all coaches. We're all 1311 01:07:07.679 --> 01:07:13.039 coaching something. Actually, we're all salesmen. We're selling something, whatever 1312 01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:16.119 it might be. We're selling things. Constantly all the time, 1313 01:07:17.719 --> 01:07:24.440 speaking of selling things. The NBA is actually going to 1314 01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:29.320 go overseas and play regular season games. They're going to 1315 01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:33.519 play in Berlin and London in multiple locations over the 1316 01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:36.320 over the so in the next few years. So they 1317 01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:39.519 play a series of games this year, next year, in 1318 01:07:39.559 --> 01:07:46.480 the following year. Now, it's kind of a cliche, a 1319 01:07:46.599 --> 01:07:49.960 niche thing. It's kind of a I don't know, whatever 1320 01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:54.280 it is. It's becoming a popular thing with these sports 1321 01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:59.800 leagues to play their games overseas because everybody's doing it. 1322 01:07:59.840 --> 01:08:01.880 All the kids these days are doing it. Let's go, 1323 01:08:02.119 --> 01:08:07.360 let's bring our league over and let's play in another continent. 1324 01:08:07.960 --> 01:08:11.960 We're gonna play on the continent. Now, hey, Buffy, let's 1325 01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:16.079 go play our NFL games over Oh, NFL, we'll play 1326 01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:19.920 the NBA. Oh, We'll have all of those games over 1327 01:08:20.119 --> 01:08:25.359 on the European continent. Now, it's winter time. So I 1328 01:08:25.399 --> 01:08:27.560 don't know who's gonna go. I mean, people will be 1329 01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:33.359 interested because basketball has become very very popular over in Europe. 1330 01:08:33.399 --> 01:08:37.800 And so I read this and I'm like, all right, 1331 01:08:37.840 --> 01:08:41.479 this is kind of interesting. But you know, people play 1332 01:08:41.520 --> 01:08:46.199 basketball in Europe. Some of the best basketball players in 1333 01:08:46.279 --> 01:08:50.720 the NBA are from Europe. Now, football is different. You 1334 01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:55.479 don't hear of, you know, some player being the MVP 1335 01:08:55.720 --> 01:08:58.039 of the NFL, or being a great quarterback in the 1336 01:08:58.159 --> 01:09:01.600 NFL or running back or you don't hear it because 1337 01:09:01.640 --> 01:09:05.000 they don't play. And so that's why the NFL is 1338 01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:09.359 expanding over there with an attempt to grow its audience. 1339 01:09:10.399 --> 01:09:13.359 The NBA, I think kind of maybe already has an 1340 01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:19.319 audience over there. Maybe they're trying to tap into, you know, 1341 01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:22.880 a bigger mark. I get. I get that, you know, 1342 01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:25.840 growing the game and part of it too. Sports are 1343 01:09:25.840 --> 01:09:33.279 big in Europe. I mean, football, soccer is massive, and 1344 01:09:33.640 --> 01:09:36.279 I mean it's it's almost to the point that it's unhealthy. 1345 01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:43.199 These people get in violent conversations and interactions because you know, 1346 01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:50.920 the soccer team's lost to someone and it's bad. So 1347 01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:56.359 I just I I guess, well, here, here's how I 1348 01:09:56.399 --> 01:09:59.239 would do it. And this was an idea I had 1349 01:09:59.279 --> 01:10:03.159 the other day, like this fusion of sports. You know, 1350 01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:06.000 if you're going to go over to Europe, that's kind 1351 01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:08.279 of the thing, like, even if you're a tourist, if 1352 01:10:08.319 --> 01:10:10.119 you're going to go over there, you need to make 1353 01:10:10.159 --> 01:10:13.239 it worth your while. You need to go at least 1354 01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:17.600 seven days, but more like ten, no more than fourteen, 1355 01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:21.600 So because you're going over there, so make it worth 1356 01:10:21.640 --> 01:10:24.199 your while so you can see things because you don't 1357 01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:26.479 know when you're going back, and it's a long way 1358 01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:30.439 to go. It's not like a weekend trip. And that's 1359 01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:32.439 what you kind of feel like with these these games. 1360 01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:34.960 It's like, why you're coming over for one game and 1361 01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:38.600 then you can go back, don't you guys want to 1362 01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:46.239 eat like some fish and chips, some bangers and mash? 1363 01:10:46.439 --> 01:10:52.239 Do you know what bangers are? Porter, I guess that's no. 1364 01:10:53.319 --> 01:10:55.039 Did you say bangers in mash? 1365 01:10:55.119 --> 01:10:56.279 Yeah? Do you know what those? Do you know what 1366 01:10:56.319 --> 01:11:02.199 bangers are? It's a food in England, it's a it's 1367 01:11:02.199 --> 01:11:03.920 a it's a pork sausage. 1368 01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:07.359 And the reference I have there is from that movie 1369 01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:11.399 with Russell Brand where he's the rock star. It's a 1370 01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:12.880 song called Banger's mash. 1371 01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:15.000 Yeah, And and what it is so that when they 1372 01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:17.720 were in the war, everything was so cheap that it 1373 01:11:17.840 --> 01:11:20.720 was made. It kind of had a water, a lot 1374 01:11:20.760 --> 01:11:22.960 of water in the in the pork, right, and so 1375 01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:25.840 when you fried it, it exploded and that's the bang. 1376 01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:30.279 So so it's basically a pork sausage and mashed potatoes. 1377 01:11:31.119 --> 01:11:32.439 Wartime food is what you're saying. 1378 01:11:32.479 --> 01:11:35.119 It's wartime food, yes, but the banger came from it 1379 01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:36.479 the fact that it was cheap. 1380 01:11:37.479 --> 01:11:37.640 Uh. 1381 01:11:37.680 --> 01:11:39.600 And so it's kind of a thing in England and 1382 01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:42.960 it's actually kind of good. I'm not gonna lie. So 1383 01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:45.640 so my point is is, you have you have this 1384 01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:51.560 whole thing, right, you have, you have this like sports fusion. 1385 01:11:51.600 --> 01:11:54.720 So if you're gonna go over there, join the football people, 1386 01:11:56.119 --> 01:12:00.600 let's do let's do a two for one. So the NFL, NBA, 1387 01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:05.039 and maybe you throw in the NHL because they they 1388 01:12:05.159 --> 01:12:08.720 like hockey over in Europe. And not only do you 1389 01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:15.359 play like you're going over together, you play simultaneously. You play, 1390 01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:18.159 you play in these big arenas or these big places, 1391 01:12:18.640 --> 01:12:21.119 and you play multiple sports going on at the same time. 1392 01:12:22.119 --> 01:12:25.640 That would be something that would really garner some interest. 1393 01:12:27.119 --> 01:12:29.359 I'm not sure I feel it with the NFL, I 1394 01:12:29.399 --> 01:12:32.960 really do. I feel like, Okay, the NFL, Yes, that's 1395 01:12:32.960 --> 01:12:35.319 a good move, and they're gaining a lot of traction 1396 01:12:35.560 --> 01:12:39.720 and to the point of potentially having a division over 1397 01:12:39.760 --> 01:12:44.000 in Europe. That's my goal, the European because then the 1398 01:12:44.279 --> 01:12:47.079 super Bowl becomes a worldwide They're trying to make it 1399 01:12:47.159 --> 01:12:51.000 like the World Cup, but only every year. Right, wouldn't 1400 01:12:51.039 --> 01:12:55.119 that be big? So you you literally are world champions 1401 01:12:55.439 --> 01:12:58.439 because right now in the NFL, I don't want to 1402 01:12:58.439 --> 01:13:01.479 burst anyone's bubble. The Super Bowl is just an American thing. 1403 01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:07.000 It's not world champs. Same thing with baseball. But they 1404 01:13:07.119 --> 01:13:09.439 like to say it and people are letting him get 1405 01:13:09.439 --> 01:13:18.319 away with it, and that's fine whatever. Okay, I I 1406 01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:21.880 think this is a debate. And I have friends that 1407 01:13:21.960 --> 01:13:26.079 have tried to get into coaching who are former NFL players, 1408 01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:33.800 and now coach Prime Dion has hired like almost the 1409 01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:39.319 Mount Rushmore of coaches at Colorado. This is like, this 1410 01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:44.159 is seriously Marshall Faulk running back coach. You could argue 1411 01:13:44.319 --> 01:13:46.720 one of the top running backs of all time. If 1412 01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:48.800 I'm picking a team and I got to pick my 1413 01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:50.760 running back, he's going to be up there on one 1414 01:13:50.840 --> 01:13:56.640 or two. If I'm picking a defensive back, Deon Sander's 1415 01:13:56.640 --> 01:13:58.600 going to be one or two, like, he's going to 1416 01:13:58.640 --> 01:14:03.640 be up there. I'm picking a defensive lineman, Warren Sapp 1417 01:14:03.720 --> 01:14:06.800 is up there. There's some other I mean Aaron Donald's 1418 01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:10.840 pretty pretty freaking good. Some other other guys are pretty good, 1419 01:14:11.239 --> 01:14:14.479 but so is Warren Sapp. In fact, in my generation 1420 01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:17.600 who I played against Warren Sapp, it's, you know, just 1421 01:14:17.640 --> 01:14:20.159 talking to office linemen, they're like, he's the hardest guy 1422 01:14:20.199 --> 01:14:24.119 in the world to block. He because so athletic, so quick. 1423 01:14:25.199 --> 01:14:29.920 He just he's just really quick. Uh And and I 1424 01:14:29.960 --> 01:14:34.319 think people didn't completely understand how good he really was. 1425 01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:37.399 I mean, I think people thought that, but you know, 1426 01:14:37.439 --> 01:14:40.199 they talked a lot whenever. So then they bring in 1427 01:14:40.359 --> 01:14:45.039 now Byron Leftwich, who isn't a Hall of Famer in 1428 01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:49.319 the NFL, pretty darn good quarterback, won a Super Bowl, 1429 01:14:50.399 --> 01:14:53.159 been to multiple Super Bowls as a coordinator. I know 1430 01:14:53.239 --> 01:14:56.720 he had Tom Brady whatever, but still pretty darn good. 1431 01:14:57.119 --> 01:14:59.760 All of these guys are in Colorado, every single one 1432 01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:04.359 of them, and you have to want So the dilemma is, 1433 01:15:05.319 --> 01:15:07.760 does the fact that you're a Hall of Famer or 1434 01:15:07.840 --> 01:15:12.680 a really accomplished professional football player. I'm not talking about 1435 01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:17.239 a guy that wasn't drafted or whatever, or got cut 1436 01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:20.439 their rookie year, never really made it in the NFL, 1437 01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:22.800 or was on the practice squad for a while, or 1438 01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:25.760 was kind of a you know, just it wasn't wasn't 1439 01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:32.119 an everyday player in the NFL fringe, barely lucky to 1440 01:15:32.239 --> 01:15:35.119 just be on a team kind of guy. I'm not, 1441 01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:40.279 you know, not talking about that. I'm talking about stars, superstars, 1442 01:15:40.319 --> 01:15:44.640 some of the best stars ever. And and the debate 1443 01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:47.920 is can you be a good coach if you were 1444 01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:50.640 a great player, Because a lot of people don't seem 1445 01:15:50.680 --> 01:15:55.359 to think so. They just think for a new numerous reasons. 1446 01:15:55.399 --> 01:15:59.640 They'd say, well, you know, the game was different for them. 1447 01:16:00.520 --> 01:16:03.119 They had a skill set and an ability that no 1448 01:16:03.119 --> 01:16:06.680 one else had, And so how are you get to 1449 01:16:06.720 --> 01:16:10.920 coach from that perspective? How do you coach players who 1450 01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:14.279 don't have that same ability? You can't. I mean, that's 1451 01:16:14.399 --> 01:16:17.760 kind of the senses and we all know that, you know, 1452 01:16:17.840 --> 01:16:23.920 some of the you know, kind of bias about players, 1453 01:16:24.720 --> 01:16:28.399 and like certain players can't play certain positions, or certain 1454 01:16:28.399 --> 01:16:31.279 positions are kind of not really all that relevant, like 1455 01:16:31.359 --> 01:16:34.159 tight end like tight ends, Like yeah, it's kind of 1456 01:16:34.159 --> 01:16:36.560 an afterthought. Now It's like guys are getting drafted right 1457 01:16:36.600 --> 01:16:38.560 and left in the first round that are tight ends. 1458 01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:43.079 Tight Ends have now become a massive part of an offense. 1459 01:16:43.079 --> 01:16:46.199 You get a hybrid type of tight end. You create 1460 01:16:46.279 --> 01:16:52.439 massive mismatches for teams that he's too big for a 1461 01:16:52.520 --> 01:16:56.359 dB and he's too fast for a linebacker, and so 1462 01:16:56.840 --> 01:16:58.880 you get a mismatch almost one hundred percent of the 1463 01:16:58.920 --> 01:17:01.520 time that because you're going to get like the fourth 1464 01:17:01.640 --> 01:17:05.359 or fifth best defender on your tight end. And and 1465 01:17:05.359 --> 01:17:08.119 they figured this out and and the tight ends changed, 1466 01:17:08.119 --> 01:17:11.520 they got much more athletic and different things. And but 1467 01:17:11.560 --> 01:17:14.600 the point is is there's a perception. There's this there's 1468 01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:18.800 this mindset about players that are really good that they 1469 01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:23.840 couldn't be good coaches. And and so then there's the 1470 01:17:23.880 --> 01:17:30.560 work ethic. A really great player doesn't have to grind 1471 01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:33.760 it out, doesn't have to work hard because it just 1472 01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:37.199 all comes so naturally. And as a as a player, 1473 01:17:37.239 --> 01:17:40.239 you don't you don't have the same work schedule that 1474 01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:43.159 a coach does. You know, you go to practice, you 1475 01:17:43.199 --> 01:17:45.760 go to the meetings, you go home, and the coach 1476 01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:48.680 that when you go home, that's when their job starts 1477 01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:51.960 or or before you get there in the morning. So 1478 01:17:52.039 --> 01:17:54.239 they're there all night long, and they're there early in 1479 01:17:54.279 --> 01:17:58.039 the morning while you're gone. And so the perception is, well, 1480 01:17:58.079 --> 01:18:02.079 coch players just can't they can't make that commitment. It's 1481 01:18:02.079 --> 01:18:03.800 an eighty hour week. There's no way they're going to 1482 01:18:03.840 --> 01:18:08.319 be able to do it. And then there's another thing, 1483 01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:12.239 and this is what I think it really is. There's 1484 01:18:12.359 --> 01:18:20.840 this threat because most coaches are or the fringe player. 1485 01:18:21.439 --> 01:18:24.159 We're the guy that maybe you know, maybe got through 1486 01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:27.920 high school, maybe played some in college, maybe played pretty 1487 01:18:27.920 --> 01:18:30.880 well in college, and it just says, Okay, I'm done 1488 01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:35.479 playing football. I want to get into coaching. And they do. 1489 01:18:35.600 --> 01:18:38.399 And so they start out as a graduate assistant, and 1490 01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:41.760 they go through all these levels of coaching, and they 1491 01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:44.880 travel around the country to different jobs and they build 1492 01:18:44.920 --> 01:18:47.720 it up and build a resume. I mean Jim Harbaugh, 1493 01:18:47.800 --> 01:18:50.600 Jim Harbaugh, by the way, was not Jim Harbaugh was 1494 01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:58.079 a long time NFL quarterback who was you wouldn't say 1495 01:18:58.119 --> 01:19:00.640 had a Hall of Fame career, but he had a 1496 01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:05.239 very he had a very successful career. You know, played 1497 01:19:05.279 --> 01:19:07.840 fifteen years in the NFL and was pretty good. Former 1498 01:19:07.880 --> 01:19:10.439 first round draft choice, his first round draft choice out 1499 01:19:10.439 --> 01:19:14.680 of Michigan, uh and and he you know, he stuck 1500 01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:18.640 around a long time. But when he started coaching, he 1501 01:19:18.720 --> 01:19:23.159 went to the University of San Diego. He was he 1502 01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:28.319 was an intern ish type of player, an offensive assistant 1503 01:19:28.600 --> 01:19:33.640 for the Los Angeles or the Oakland Raiders, and then 1504 01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:35.760 he went to Stanford, and then he went to the 1505 01:19:35.800 --> 01:19:37.520 forty nine ers, and then he went to Michigan, and 1506 01:19:37.560 --> 01:19:40.239 then he went back to the Charge. So he's bounced 1507 01:19:40.279 --> 01:19:42.800 around a little bit, and a lot of people say, 1508 01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:45.039 well that, you know, so there's a there's a there's 1509 01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:48.800 an envy. And I wouldn't say Jim Harbaugh. I know 1510 01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:53.680 there's I know there's coaches. I know that there's really successful, popular, 1511 01:19:53.800 --> 01:19:57.520 well known coaches today, maybe even one of them coached 1512 01:19:57.560 --> 01:20:01.359 at Utah. At one point think that Jim Harbaugh is 1513 01:20:01.399 --> 01:20:04.479 not a good coach. And I think there was some 1514 01:20:04.760 --> 01:20:08.119 resentment and some jealousy because he was a former player. 1515 01:20:08.119 --> 01:20:10.920 Because former players guess what they get. You walk in 1516 01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:13.880 the door and you instantly have credibility. People are gonna 1517 01:20:13.880 --> 01:20:17.840 listen to you, and so you don't have to you 1518 01:20:17.880 --> 01:20:22.880 don't have to build this massive level of trust. You 1519 01:20:22.920 --> 01:20:25.039 don't have to convince players that you know what you're 1520 01:20:25.079 --> 01:20:28.520 talking about, or that you can actually share information with 1521 01:20:28.600 --> 01:20:31.600 them that they will find useful. You know, a former 1522 01:20:31.640 --> 01:20:35.920 player just has a built in library of information that's 1523 01:20:35.960 --> 01:20:41.119 like really good, and a lot of coaches resent it. 1524 01:20:41.199 --> 01:20:44.079 And that's why I don't think if you see a 1525 01:20:44.079 --> 01:20:51.640 lot of former star players who are coaches, and you 1526 01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:56.359 could argue that the star players don't need money, right, 1527 01:20:56.479 --> 01:20:58.600 they just like, Hey, I made a ton of money. 1528 01:20:58.920 --> 01:21:01.159 Why in the world would I want to get all 1529 01:21:01.159 --> 01:21:04.039 this brain damage trying to be a football coach and 1530 01:21:04.199 --> 01:21:07.640 just dealing with all the headaches and everything that you have. Now. 1531 01:21:08.319 --> 01:21:13.960 I coached high school football and I will tell you 1532 01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:17.199 it's one of the most rewarding things I've ever done. 1533 01:21:19.000 --> 01:21:21.520 And I you know, it was interesting to listening to 1534 01:21:21.560 --> 01:21:25.199 Trevor Riley early on the show talk about coach Prime 1535 01:21:25.359 --> 01:21:28.439 and how a lot of you know, he's really about 1536 01:21:28.439 --> 01:21:32.199 these kids, and he's about, you know, changing lives and 1537 01:21:32.239 --> 01:21:35.319 about helping them in their lives. And I get it, 1538 01:21:35.640 --> 01:21:40.880 and I could totally see that being a very worthwhile 1539 01:21:41.159 --> 01:21:44.960 and worthy cause to be a part of, to literally 1540 01:21:45.039 --> 01:21:48.119 change lives. And what I found was, man, it was 1541 01:21:48.199 --> 01:21:53.399 really cool to teach someone else to do something and 1542 01:21:53.439 --> 01:21:57.119 then watch them have success at it. That was amazing. 1543 01:21:57.399 --> 01:22:02.119 That was very cool. And as a player, you have 1544 01:22:02.239 --> 01:22:05.119 that opportunity to just do it for yourself, right, you 1545 01:22:05.199 --> 01:22:07.479 focus on getting yourself ready to play, and you learn 1546 01:22:07.560 --> 01:22:10.079 and you study and you prepare. Then you go out 1547 01:22:10.079 --> 01:22:13.159 and you play, and it's very rewarding. But to do 1548 01:22:13.279 --> 01:22:16.079 it and to be able to do it for a 1549 01:22:16.119 --> 01:22:20.399 lot of people is a really really cool thing. So 1550 01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:25.720 I can get why while he's into this now, it 1551 01:22:25.880 --> 01:22:30.640 might open I don't know, a can of worms, a 1552 01:22:30.680 --> 01:22:35.039 new opportunity. Maybe former really good players might end up 1553 01:22:35.079 --> 01:22:38.039 being really good coaches, maybe even better than some of 1554 01:22:38.119 --> 01:22:41.079 the coaches that are there now. And maybe you'll start 1555 01:22:41.119 --> 01:22:47.199 seeing a trend of well known popular coaches getting into 1556 01:22:47.239 --> 01:22:52.399 the players getting into the coaching rings. Who knows, we'll see, 1557 01:22:52.880 --> 01:22:56.479 but it's certainly one of those things that they got 1558 01:22:56.520 --> 01:22:59.720 going on at Colorado that you know, if they have success, 1559 01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:02.359 you might go, yeah, maybe we should consider more of 1560 01:23:02.399 --> 01:23:10.159 these people. I don't know. All right, it's about time 1561 01:23:10.199 --> 01:23:13.960 to take a break. But if you need help feeling 1562 01:23:14.079 --> 01:23:19.000 and looking better, Pure Life Medical can help you. 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So driving along 1574 01:23:58.239 --> 01:24:00.359 in your car and you just have to get out 1575 01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:03.479 for whatever reason, it's okay, you're not going to miss anything. 1576 01:24:03.560 --> 01:24:06.199 So and always glad that you tune in. So we 1577 01:24:06.239 --> 01:24:09.319 have a great time, having a great time today, and 1578 01:24:09.359 --> 01:24:11.840 it's even going to get better because we're speaking with 1579 01:24:11.880 --> 01:24:15.399 none other than Roxy Bernstein. He joins the show. Of course. 1580 01:24:15.399 --> 01:24:20.279 He's a commentator on pretty much every sport invented. He 1581 01:24:20.880 --> 01:24:23.479 is a play by play guy. Roxy. Welcome to the show. 1582 01:24:23.479 --> 01:24:23.960 How you doing. 1583 01:24:24.640 --> 01:24:26.680 I'm great, Scott, how are you? 1584 01:24:26.680 --> 01:24:28.840 You know? I'm living the dream and as I always say, 1585 01:24:28.880 --> 01:24:30.960 it's not a nightmare. So I feel pretty good about 1586 01:24:30.960 --> 01:24:34.079 it and I am I am awakened conscious. So this 1587 01:24:34.279 --> 01:24:37.039 is this is not you know, not made up. You 1588 01:24:37.079 --> 01:24:38.960 were just in town right for Tom. 1589 01:24:39.880 --> 01:24:41.880 They're kind of I try to slide in under the 1590 01:24:41.920 --> 01:24:45.640 radar because it was supposed to be a surprise party 1591 01:24:45.760 --> 01:24:48.159 for they had a retirement down at BYU for Tom 1592 01:24:48.199 --> 01:24:53.600 Holmo twenty three years working in the administration of course, 1593 01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:56.239 the athletic director of BYU, and and so it was 1594 01:24:56.279 --> 01:24:58.920 supposed to be a surprise. So I didn't alert anybody 1595 01:24:58.960 --> 01:25:01.760 I was coming to town like my buddies. I didn't 1596 01:25:01.880 --> 01:25:05.359 text him, Hey, I'm coming in. Just slide under the radar. 1597 01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:07.880 But was a great event. It was cool to see 1598 01:25:07.960 --> 01:25:11.079 guys like Ronnie Lott and Keena Turner show up yea 1599 01:25:11.239 --> 01:25:13.640 and in support of Tom Homo. But it was a 1600 01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:15.399 fabulous night at it at Provo. 1601 01:25:16.640 --> 01:25:20.199 Yeah. You know, Tom did a great job as as 1602 01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:22.479 an ad And what I thought was a tough situation. 1603 01:25:22.560 --> 01:25:27.520 I thought b YU being in independence was almost almost 1604 01:25:27.560 --> 01:25:30.479 a prison sentence. Uh. And then and then you know, 1605 01:25:30.520 --> 01:25:33.520 of course b YU has the unique challenges that it does, 1606 01:25:33.560 --> 01:25:36.960 and I just thought he's just he's handled it so 1607 01:25:37.039 --> 01:25:40.039 well and made some really savvy moves and uh, and 1608 01:25:40.199 --> 01:25:42.960 you know, got b Yu, I think, in a better 1609 01:25:43.000 --> 01:25:45.159 place when he left. And then he when he was 1610 01:25:45.199 --> 01:25:46.279 there and when he showed up. 1611 01:25:46.520 --> 01:25:50.800 So no question considering you're now in the Big Twelve, 1612 01:25:50.880 --> 01:25:54.079 you're in one of the power for conferences. And there 1613 01:25:54.119 --> 01:25:55.880 had to be some growing pains along the way you 1614 01:25:55.920 --> 01:25:58.960 alluded to when they went independent and went West Coast 1615 01:25:58.960 --> 01:26:03.319 Conference for a their Olympic sports and including basketball. But 1616 01:26:03.720 --> 01:26:09.000 they were patient and the Big Twelve hunt for BYU 1617 01:26:09.520 --> 01:26:10.119 was a long. 1618 01:26:09.960 --> 01:26:10.680 Time in the making. 1619 01:26:10.720 --> 01:26:12.880 It just didn't spark a few years ago like this 1620 01:26:12.920 --> 01:26:15.039 has been something that they were after for a while 1621 01:26:15.960 --> 01:26:19.239 and it came to fruition and now you look at 1622 01:26:19.239 --> 01:26:23.199 the league and it's just when you look at especially 1623 01:26:23.279 --> 01:26:25.880 in basketball, Scott. It's a good football league as we know, 1624 01:26:26.520 --> 01:26:30.560 and certainly the success ASU had last year, but it's 1625 01:26:31.119 --> 01:26:34.359 arguably the best basketball league in the country at least consistently, 1626 01:26:34.359 --> 01:26:37.279 although the SEC was the best league in the country 1627 01:26:37.359 --> 01:26:37.800 last year. 1628 01:26:39.039 --> 01:26:44.000 So I'm curious, how many sports do you actually broadcast. 1629 01:26:45.119 --> 01:26:48.439 As of now? I'm doing well, do we count pro 1630 01:26:48.520 --> 01:26:51.680 and college as one? If I'm doing the same sport, I'm. 1631 01:26:51.560 --> 01:26:54.119 Going to say no. But because I think it's different. 1632 01:26:54.119 --> 01:26:56.159 I think it's a different preparation. Are you tell me? 1633 01:26:56.920 --> 01:27:00.640 Is it the same? Doing the same sport or no. 1634 01:27:00.119 --> 01:27:03.319 Prep, as you know, is different. So I do both 1635 01:27:03.359 --> 01:27:08.119 the NFL and college football for ESPN NFL and ESPN 1636 01:27:08.199 --> 01:27:13.319 Radio and college football on TV and radio. I do 1637 01:27:13.439 --> 01:27:16.760 college basketball. Tons of it is your listeners who are 1638 01:27:16.760 --> 01:27:19.479 familiar with the You know that I don't do the NBA. 1639 01:27:20.840 --> 01:27:25.039 I do Major League in college baseball, and I do 1640 01:27:25.119 --> 01:27:27.760 the NHL and a little bit of college hockey also 1641 01:27:27.840 --> 01:27:31.319 for ESPN. So what is that seven. 1642 01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:35.520 I had? Yeah, I had eight, But don't trust my math, 1643 01:27:35.800 --> 01:27:38.760 right because I'm not sure I even have ten fingers, 1644 01:27:38.800 --> 01:27:42.920 So who knows I could beware of? Uh So when 1645 01:27:42.960 --> 01:27:44.960 you when you prep for that, I was just thinking this, 1646 01:27:45.479 --> 01:27:49.239 you know how, I think it would be maddening. Which 1647 01:27:49.279 --> 01:27:52.079 one of the sports that you actually broadcast you have 1648 01:27:52.159 --> 01:27:55.399 to like really grind like, because I'm sure there are 1649 01:27:55.399 --> 01:27:58.000 things you're just really comfortable, really familiar with, but there's 1650 01:27:58.039 --> 01:28:00.560 got to be a sport, you man, It's it's a 1651 01:28:00.600 --> 01:28:01.800 real grind to find it. 1652 01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:05.640 Well, I wouldn't say, but I take it back. I've 1653 01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:08.159 been doing some of that indoor football recently. Also, there's 1654 01:28:08.199 --> 01:28:10.000 a team here at the Pay Area, so I forgot 1655 01:28:10.039 --> 01:28:13.079 about it, The Bay Area Panthers are co owned by 1656 01:28:13.079 --> 01:28:17.359 Marshawn Lynch and they're the team in the Western Conference. 1657 01:28:17.439 --> 01:28:19.880 And so I've done and they reached out to me, Hey, 1658 01:28:19.880 --> 01:28:21.359 do you want to do some of our games? Sure, 1659 01:28:21.479 --> 01:28:24.479 I'll do your home games, yeah, and just drive down 1660 01:28:24.520 --> 01:28:26.600 to San Jose. So they have the playoffs coming up, 1661 01:28:26.640 --> 01:28:29.840 so we're getting ready for that. That's been the hardest Scott, 1662 01:28:29.920 --> 01:28:33.960 because there is very little information out there on even 1663 01:28:34.000 --> 01:28:37.920 the team's website. It is very elementary. So that has 1664 01:28:37.960 --> 01:28:41.399 been the hardest sport to prepare for. And you know 1665 01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:45.359 the thing that's challenging is, and you deal with this too, is, 1666 01:28:45.399 --> 01:28:49.640 for example, an opening college football game, because the rosters 1667 01:28:49.680 --> 01:28:53.680 are so big and you have the guys that are 1668 01:28:53.760 --> 01:28:55.840 the top of the depth chart. Right if you get 1669 01:28:55.840 --> 01:29:00.880 a one sided game, which for example, I'm probably going 1670 01:29:00.920 --> 01:29:03.880 to have one of those week one, Well, how deep 1671 01:29:03.920 --> 01:29:06.119 will the school go into their depth chart, what true 1672 01:29:06.119 --> 01:29:09.039 freshmen are going to play? And how how big can 1673 01:29:09.079 --> 01:29:12.039 I get my spotting board to make sure I have 1674 01:29:12.760 --> 01:29:16.600 every potential player on there? So that that's challenging because 1675 01:29:16.640 --> 01:29:19.279 you know, right when if Utah has played, for example, 1676 01:29:19.279 --> 01:29:23.239 when they were heavy favorite over I don't know Southern 1677 01:29:23.359 --> 01:29:26.720 Utah or weirder state, Right, how deep do you go 1678 01:29:26.760 --> 01:29:28.600 in your depth chart? And you know, you try to 1679 01:29:28.680 --> 01:29:31.840 quiz coach Witt and his staff, right, who could possibly 1680 01:29:31.880 --> 01:29:34.920 see the field? That's a challenging I think, as it 1681 01:29:34.960 --> 01:29:37.000 is to prepare for a game, to be honest with you. 1682 01:29:36.920 --> 01:29:38.399 Well, and if you get a Utah game, you're going 1683 01:29:38.439 --> 01:29:43.920 to get a lot of Polynesian names and and I 1684 01:29:43.960 --> 01:29:46.359 feel confident with them. But when you're on the air 1685 01:29:46.359 --> 01:29:48.359 and you have to say it, just it's got to flow, 1686 01:29:48.439 --> 01:29:50.560 you know, and you get you dig deep. That's that's 1687 01:29:50.600 --> 01:29:51.239 a tough one. 1688 01:29:51.640 --> 01:29:55.000 And it takes some practicing, right. You can't just phonetically. 1689 01:29:55.680 --> 01:29:57.680 You have to say it at numbers and you can't 1690 01:29:57.720 --> 01:30:01.039 just like repeat it in your head. You have to 1691 01:30:01.079 --> 01:30:04.640 say it out loud and numerous times to make sure 1692 01:30:04.680 --> 01:30:07.920 you get it correctly. Because the last thing you want 1693 01:30:07.960 --> 01:30:10.920 to do is offend someone's family, especially their mom. 1694 01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:15.399 If you and the Polynesian mom is that's that's that's 1695 01:30:15.399 --> 01:30:18.119 a death sentence right there. It's it's like it's like 1696 01:30:18.199 --> 01:30:20.039 throwing a football in the NFL. You just have to 1697 01:30:20.079 --> 01:30:21.680 let it go. You just have to. 1698 01:30:21.800 --> 01:30:22.359 You can't. 1699 01:30:22.399 --> 01:30:23.840 You can't hold on to it. You just got to 1700 01:30:23.920 --> 01:30:26.840 let it go. No, just just go for it. Just 1701 01:30:27.119 --> 01:30:29.880 whatever you say, just say it with confidence and the 1702 01:30:30.079 --> 01:30:36.039 and it'll turn out somewhat nice. Uh so, well, because 1703 01:30:36.079 --> 01:30:37.680 I want to jump all over the place. I just 1704 01:30:37.680 --> 01:30:40.159 wanted to talk about a bunch of different things, different sports. 1705 01:30:40.600 --> 01:30:43.560 I was I actually kind of wanted to play a game, okay, 1706 01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:45.439 And do you want to play a game for a minute? 1707 01:30:45.560 --> 01:30:46.199 Sure? Why not? 1708 01:30:46.640 --> 01:30:49.359 Okay? So I'm going to give you a sport that 1709 01:30:49.399 --> 01:30:51.720 you broadcast, and I want you to give me the 1710 01:30:51.720 --> 01:30:55.159 most uh the most relevant information I need to know 1711 01:30:55.199 --> 01:30:58.439 about that sport today. Can you do that? 1712 01:30:58.760 --> 01:30:59.920 I can do my bad? 1713 01:31:01.039 --> 01:31:01.800 Okay? 1714 01:31:02.640 --> 01:31:08.720 College baseball, bok college baseball. The transfer portal is, of course, 1715 01:31:10.119 --> 01:31:13.079 like college basketball, like college football, the talk of the 1716 01:31:13.119 --> 01:31:18.319 town and money speaks, and players are leaving, and unfortunately 1717 01:31:18.399 --> 01:31:21.039 that is taking the thunder away from what we should 1718 01:31:21.039 --> 01:31:21.800 be talking about. 1719 01:31:21.840 --> 01:31:25.239 But the transfer portal is just as prevalent college baseball 1720 01:31:25.239 --> 01:31:27.680 as it is in football or basketball, and maybe even 1721 01:31:27.680 --> 01:31:28.000 more so. 1722 01:31:28.039 --> 01:31:28.800 To be honest with. 1723 01:31:28.720 --> 01:31:31.079 You, really I did not know that. See I'm glad 1724 01:31:31.079 --> 01:31:33.199 I asked you these questions. I'm glad we're playing this game. 1725 01:31:34.079 --> 01:31:39.159 Is there money out? There for these players. Of I 1726 01:31:39.199 --> 01:31:41.600 know there was a softball pitcher from Stanford who went 1727 01:31:41.720 --> 01:31:43.199 I think to Texas. 1728 01:31:42.800 --> 01:31:45.279 And back and got over a million. 1729 01:31:45.560 --> 01:31:46.600 Yeah, was a big deal. 1730 01:31:47.479 --> 01:31:50.079 All right, let's go you think thing go with that too, 1731 01:31:50.359 --> 01:31:53.600 Scott is you deal with the major league draft with 1732 01:31:53.680 --> 01:31:56.039 some high school kids and turning it down and if 1733 01:31:56.119 --> 01:31:59.159 kids are drafted do they go do they go to college? 1734 01:31:59.720 --> 01:32:03.840 And how much it really is. It's a fascinating deep dive. 1735 01:32:03.880 --> 01:32:06.479 It could take you seriously down a rabbit hole if 1736 01:32:06.479 --> 01:32:07.119 you don't stop. 1737 01:32:07.560 --> 01:32:09.920 Well, yeah, I guess because you know, you get drafted 1738 01:32:09.920 --> 01:32:11.800 out of high school, you're going to get some signing 1739 01:32:12.239 --> 01:32:15.600 bonus or something. And where you go to college you 1740 01:32:15.640 --> 01:32:17.239 may get more money, and you may it may be 1741 01:32:17.319 --> 01:32:21.039 a better opportunity for you to grow and develop. And 1742 01:32:21.479 --> 01:32:23.520 you still and you kind of still have the benefit. 1743 01:32:23.560 --> 01:32:27.319 Maybe you're not having the same competition, but you're at 1744 01:32:27.399 --> 01:32:31.199 least I don't know, getting I struggled with like three 1745 01:32:31.279 --> 01:32:34.359 hundred dollars a month when I played. I can't fathom 1746 01:32:34.399 --> 01:32:37.760 what these players are getting with money and how it's 1747 01:32:37.760 --> 01:32:40.439 all really changed. It's so fascinating. 1748 01:32:40.840 --> 01:32:43.720 With the agents involved, and it's crazy. I was, I 1749 01:32:43.760 --> 01:32:48.079 was talking to a football agent last week, and they're 1750 01:32:48.119 --> 01:32:51.600 going into the high schools now to recruit kids because 1751 01:32:51.640 --> 01:32:55.720 they can make money on their nil contracts and deals 1752 01:32:55.720 --> 01:32:58.880 that they have with schools. So it is starting not 1753 01:32:59.079 --> 01:33:01.960 just okay, when guys are in college is probably when 1754 01:33:01.960 --> 01:33:04.760 you first dealt with agents, but they're going into the 1755 01:33:04.800 --> 01:33:07.399 high school ranks now because of the money that's out there. 1756 01:33:07.439 --> 01:33:10.840 It is an incredible business now. I'm anxious to see 1757 01:33:10.880 --> 01:33:14.359 how it changes moving forward and with some of the 1758 01:33:14.399 --> 01:33:18.520 regulations they're trying to put in, but it is nuts 1759 01:33:18.600 --> 01:33:21.880 when you think about high school kids are being approached 1760 01:33:21.880 --> 01:33:23.640 by professional agents. 1761 01:33:24.479 --> 01:33:27.399 So my agent, who I had my whole entire career, 1762 01:33:27.520 --> 01:33:29.840 great great guy, still in agents today. He's been in 1763 01:33:29.880 --> 01:33:33.840 the business forever, Tony agnow is his names in Baltimore, 1764 01:33:33.880 --> 01:33:36.920 and I actually had him on my radio show talking 1765 01:33:36.920 --> 01:33:39.640 about the same thing, and he said, he said, I 1766 01:33:39.720 --> 01:33:44.439 had a former client whose son was going through all 1767 01:33:44.439 --> 01:33:45.920 this stuff and he was, you know, he was a 1768 01:33:45.960 --> 01:33:48.279 young kid still in high school and he goes and 1769 01:33:48.359 --> 01:33:52.199 I was actually giving him instruction and helping him out 1770 01:33:52.199 --> 01:33:54.680 with the whole thing. So yeah, it's a real thing, 1771 01:33:54.720 --> 01:33:56.960 and they're going after these kids at a young age. 1772 01:33:57.600 --> 01:33:58.439 It is crazy. 1773 01:33:58.880 --> 01:34:01.119 Yeah, all right, let's go to let's go to major 1774 01:34:01.199 --> 01:34:03.880 League Baseball. What do I need to know about major 1775 01:34:03.960 --> 01:34:04.600 League Baseball? 1776 01:34:05.079 --> 01:34:07.600 Well, right now, the big thing is a trade deadline, 1777 01:34:07.800 --> 01:34:11.560 because we're approaching it tomorrow and these trades are going 1778 01:34:11.640 --> 01:34:15.239 to happen fast and furious, and teams like the Dodgers 1779 01:34:15.279 --> 01:34:18.079 and the Yankees are going to be aggressive. And I've 1780 01:34:18.079 --> 01:34:21.159 already seen some interesting trades go down today between the 1781 01:34:21.159 --> 01:34:23.199 Mets and the Giants. And does that mean the Giants 1782 01:34:23.239 --> 01:34:25.399 are waving the white flag that they don't think they 1783 01:34:25.399 --> 01:34:29.760 can make a push for the wild card? But right 1784 01:34:29.800 --> 01:34:33.079 now that's the talk as far as Major League Baseball goes. 1785 01:34:33.720 --> 01:34:36.000 It's the trade deadline and it's going to get fast 1786 01:34:36.039 --> 01:34:39.439 and furious here over the next probably twenty four hours, 1787 01:34:40.079 --> 01:34:43.079 as these trades and teams are trying to strengthen their 1788 01:34:43.159 --> 01:34:45.439 roster heading down the stretch toward the postseason. 1789 01:34:47.000 --> 01:34:49.079 Is that what you kind of look for with the 1790 01:34:49.119 --> 01:34:51.560 trade It's like, if the team doesn't make a trade 1791 01:34:51.600 --> 01:34:55.399 and you're a fan, you go, we're done. They're they're 1792 01:34:55.439 --> 01:34:57.920 not going to play make the playoffs? Or is there 1793 01:34:57.960 --> 01:34:59.840 still hope for some of these teams who don't to 1794 01:35:00.079 --> 01:35:01.760 don't land a good trade option. 1795 01:35:02.880 --> 01:35:06.640 It's hard because teams are just trying to bolster their 1796 01:35:06.760 --> 01:35:08.880 roster right, get depth where they're adding an arm for 1797 01:35:08.920 --> 01:35:10.920 their pitching staff, whether it's a bullpen, or they're trying 1798 01:35:10.920 --> 01:35:12.840 to bring in a starter where they're trying to get 1799 01:35:13.359 --> 01:35:15.319 another bat to lengthen the lineup. 1800 01:35:16.079 --> 01:35:17.119 It's hard if. 1801 01:35:17.000 --> 01:35:20.079 You don't make a move because how aggressive these other 1802 01:35:20.119 --> 01:35:23.760 teams are. And you see it, Scott. You know, when 1803 01:35:24.000 --> 01:35:26.079 a team makes a move and they're aggressive about making 1804 01:35:26.119 --> 01:35:28.640 a trade, it sets the message to the clubhouse or 1805 01:35:28.680 --> 01:35:31.279 the locker room right that they believe in this team, 1806 01:35:31.960 --> 01:35:34.600 and everybody in there gets just a little more confident 1807 01:35:35.239 --> 01:35:37.479 knowing that, hey, they're trying to help us and they're 1808 01:35:37.520 --> 01:35:40.560 trying to give us another weapon that we can use. 1809 01:35:41.159 --> 01:35:44.800 So that's the other the psychological factor also coming up 1810 01:35:44.800 --> 01:35:48.000 on a trade deadline. But or if a team that realizes, 1811 01:35:48.039 --> 01:35:49.680 you know what, we're not going to get there, so 1812 01:35:49.720 --> 01:35:52.680 they start unloading some key veterans or some big contracts 1813 01:35:53.199 --> 01:35:55.359 to try to gear up for the next season or 1814 01:35:55.399 --> 01:35:58.159 at least replenish their farm system. 1815 01:35:58.640 --> 01:36:02.279 So you talked about, of course, the Dodgers Yankees, who 1816 01:36:02.359 --> 01:36:04.319 do you think makes the biggest move in the in 1817 01:36:04.399 --> 01:36:08.640 the with the trade this year, are there still moves 1818 01:36:08.680 --> 01:36:11.560 to be made? Do you? Do you hear things? Who's 1819 01:36:11.600 --> 01:36:14.520 gonna Who's gonna turn out with the best the best 1820 01:36:14.560 --> 01:36:17.039 new team moving forward with the trade? 1821 01:36:17.479 --> 01:36:20.760 Well, the Dodgers have always been aggressive, and they have 1822 01:36:20.880 --> 01:36:23.239 the resources both with some of the talent they have 1823 01:36:23.319 --> 01:36:25.960 in the minor leagues, plus the revenue and the money 1824 01:36:26.000 --> 01:36:29.600 that we saw last offseason. Their bullpen is still an issue, 1825 01:36:29.640 --> 01:36:33.199 and they've reportedly acquired about, for example, Mason Miller from 1826 01:36:33.760 --> 01:36:37.680 the Artist formerly known as the Oakland Athletics. Uh Camillo 1827 01:36:37.760 --> 01:36:40.840 Douvall is another one that the Giants closer. But I 1828 01:36:41.039 --> 01:36:43.239 just find it hard to believe the Giants and Dodgers 1829 01:36:43.239 --> 01:36:45.560 are going to get together on a trade where the 1830 01:36:45.560 --> 01:36:48.359 Giants would send their closer to their bitter arch rival. 1831 01:36:49.359 --> 01:36:51.520 But teams are gonna go for it. They're going to 1832 01:36:51.640 --> 01:36:56.760 roll the dice knowing that everybody else is also trying 1833 01:36:56.760 --> 01:36:58.920 to better their team and the only way to do 1834 01:36:59.000 --> 01:37:02.520 it is is to be aggressive and will teams overpay, 1835 01:37:03.159 --> 01:37:06.640 and the teams that are the sellers are trying to 1836 01:37:06.680 --> 01:37:10.560 hold those teams in the club's ransom to try to 1837 01:37:10.600 --> 01:37:12.840 get the best deal, and they'll try to wait until 1838 01:37:12.840 --> 01:37:15.600 the eleventh hour to make a trade. But the Dodgers 1839 01:37:15.640 --> 01:37:17.720 are going to be aggressive, and it wouldn't shock me 1840 01:37:17.760 --> 01:37:21.720 if somebody like Detroit is aggressive or Toronto with how 1841 01:37:21.760 --> 01:37:25.680 well they're playing. Those are teams that feel that they 1842 01:37:25.680 --> 01:37:27.680 have a chance to contend it. And frankly, Scott, I 1843 01:37:27.680 --> 01:37:29.159 think the American League is wide open. 1844 01:37:33.640 --> 01:37:37.279 Ryan Sanmdberg. Ryan Samberg passes away this past He was 1845 01:37:37.279 --> 01:37:39.840 one of my favorite players. Loved Ryan Samberg. Actually have 1846 01:37:40.479 --> 01:37:43.560 a ball signed by Ryan Samberg. It's a funny story, 1847 01:37:43.560 --> 01:37:46.920 but just loved him. Of course he died way too young. 1848 01:37:47.159 --> 01:37:48.479 Just kind of your thoughts on him. 1849 01:37:49.439 --> 01:37:52.439 First off, what a tremendous player, right, Rhino, What for 1850 01:37:52.520 --> 01:37:55.039 sixteen years you think of him with the Cubs, although 1851 01:37:55.039 --> 01:37:58.039 he was with the Phillies briefly as well, But to 1852 01:37:58.119 --> 01:38:01.359 pass away at sixty five is so and he fought 1853 01:38:01.399 --> 01:38:04.720 cancer for a number of years. But that's a part 1854 01:38:04.720 --> 01:38:08.199 of my childhood right growing up watching Major League Baseball, 1855 01:38:08.239 --> 01:38:11.039 and the Braves and the Cubs were basically on TV 1856 01:38:11.159 --> 01:38:14.359 every day in every household if you were a baseball fan, 1857 01:38:14.399 --> 01:38:16.520 because they were on those superstations and you got to 1858 01:38:16.560 --> 01:38:20.239 see Harry Carey broadcasting, Ryan Sandberg and Mark Grayce and 1859 01:38:20.239 --> 01:38:23.039 those great Cubs teams from the eighties, and he was 1860 01:38:23.039 --> 01:38:28.159 the dominant offensive second basement of his generation. And what 1861 01:38:28.199 --> 01:38:31.000 was it like, ten time All Star I believe, but 1862 01:38:31.159 --> 01:38:35.800 gold gloves that he won Silver Sluggers and he was 1863 01:38:35.800 --> 01:38:38.960 a no doubt Hall of Famer and just a phenomenal 1864 01:38:39.000 --> 01:38:43.319 career that he was an MVP led the National League 1865 01:38:43.359 --> 01:38:47.560 and homers one year. Just a tremendous player. But also 1866 01:38:47.640 --> 01:38:49.720 you hear the great stories about him off the field 1867 01:38:49.760 --> 01:38:52.239 and what a great person he was. And that's what 1868 01:38:52.399 --> 01:38:56.239 makes it even fatter, is just you lost somebody so young, 1869 01:38:56.319 --> 01:38:59.560 had such an impact and was really revered and loved 1870 01:38:59.600 --> 01:39:01.560 by every Cub fan everywhere. 1871 01:39:03.039 --> 01:39:07.239 Yeah, well said, I really was upset by that because 1872 01:39:07.840 --> 01:39:10.399 I have the same thing. You know, Braves and Cubs 1873 01:39:10.399 --> 01:39:12.439 were in my living room and he was one of 1874 01:39:12.439 --> 01:39:17.000 my favorite players. Speaking of baseball, we'll stay on that 1875 01:39:17.039 --> 01:39:19.439 for just a minut Major League Baseball, there's there's been 1876 01:39:19.479 --> 01:39:23.960 a lot of talk about Salt Lake City potentially getting 1877 01:39:23.960 --> 01:39:27.000 a franchise, and it seemed like they're they're I don't 1878 01:39:27.039 --> 01:39:30.199 want to say they're the team, but they're certainly in 1879 01:39:30.439 --> 01:39:35.159 significant consideration for a spot when expansion happens. Do you 1880 01:39:35.199 --> 01:39:37.800 get a sense that that's reality or are we just 1881 01:39:37.960 --> 01:39:43.800 living a non reality life here in Utah. 1882 01:39:43.920 --> 01:39:46.479 No. I think it's realistic Scott, that Salt Lake City 1883 01:39:46.520 --> 01:39:49.960 could become a major League team. There's some issues that 1884 01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:51.640 major League Baseball needs to get through. 1885 01:39:51.680 --> 01:39:52.039 First. 1886 01:39:52.439 --> 01:39:54.840 They need to figure out the Tampa Bay situation, and 1887 01:39:54.840 --> 01:39:57.960 it appears they have some clarity on that now. And 1888 01:39:58.039 --> 01:40:00.319 they also have to get I think, some clarity on 1889 01:40:00.680 --> 01:40:04.800 the athletics because Okay, yes they did their quote unquote 1890 01:40:05.039 --> 01:40:09.159 groundbreaking in Vegas. I'm still not one hundred percent sold 1891 01:40:09.159 --> 01:40:11.399 that they're moving to Vegas. I don't think it's more 1892 01:40:11.439 --> 01:40:14.560 than likely than not they will end up there. But 1893 01:40:14.920 --> 01:40:17.199 nothing having worked for that an organization, which I did 1894 01:40:17.239 --> 01:40:21.079 for ten years, nothing would surprise me with that team. 1895 01:40:21.479 --> 01:40:24.760 Like could they go back to Oakland? I think every 1896 01:40:24.760 --> 01:40:27.399 option is on the table. Could they stay in Sacramento. 1897 01:40:27.960 --> 01:40:30.479 Could John Fisher, who owns the team, get fed up 1898 01:40:30.479 --> 01:40:34.399 with a situation and things are stalling in Vegas? Because 1899 01:40:34.760 --> 01:40:36.600 keep in mind, he's got to pay for the majority 1900 01:40:36.600 --> 01:40:39.680 of the ballpark himself. And as he get frustrated and 1901 01:40:39.720 --> 01:40:42.840 decide to walk away and look to sell. And if 1902 01:40:42.880 --> 01:40:47.039 that's the case, then would for example, Ryan Smith be 1903 01:40:47.199 --> 01:40:50.359 active about trying to get the major league team there 1904 01:40:50.479 --> 01:40:53.840 to Salt Lake City. We saw how aggressive he was 1905 01:40:53.880 --> 01:40:57.159 in pursuit of bring him the Coyotes up and now 1906 01:40:57.279 --> 01:40:59.760 the Mammoth getting ready for their second year and it 1907 01:40:59.800 --> 01:41:03.319 is the whirlwin and how crazy it was that how 1908 01:41:03.399 --> 01:41:08.680 quickly that deal came together. But I wouldn't rule anything 1909 01:41:08.680 --> 01:41:10.760 out at this point. But I think major League Baseball 1910 01:41:10.760 --> 01:41:12.960 has some other issues Scott to deal with as far 1911 01:41:13.000 --> 01:41:16.159 as both Tampa Bay and the Athletics. And I also 1912 01:41:16.239 --> 01:41:19.000 think the whole labor situation because we could be headed 1913 01:41:19.039 --> 01:41:22.399 toward a lockout potentially after next baseball season. 1914 01:41:22.680 --> 01:41:28.800 Ooh, were you with the A's when they were doing Moneyball? 1915 01:41:30.279 --> 01:41:33.960 I was not, And so when Moneyball that was back 1916 01:41:35.079 --> 01:41:37.960 the two early part of the early to mid two thousands, 1917 01:41:38.119 --> 01:41:40.000 I was working for the Marlins at the time. So 1918 01:41:40.520 --> 01:41:43.560 but it was prevalent. You know, everybody paid attention to 1919 01:41:43.560 --> 01:41:45.399 what Oakland was doing, and it just seemed at the 1920 01:41:45.399 --> 01:41:48.119 time that they were ahead of the game what Billy 1921 01:41:48.119 --> 01:41:51.319 Bean was doing. And he talked about were hard counters 1922 01:41:51.720 --> 01:41:55.520 at the casino, and they were creative about the way 1923 01:41:55.520 --> 01:41:58.960 they did things. And for example, the movie Moneyball, really 1924 01:41:59.000 --> 01:42:04.039 it cracks me up, to be honest with you, because well, 1925 01:42:04.880 --> 01:42:10.039 for example, it featured Scott Hadiberg and Chad Bradford, who 1926 01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:12.720 were key players on that team. I'm not saying they weren't, 1927 01:42:13.359 --> 01:42:17.760 but what the movie neglects was the aides had three 1928 01:42:17.840 --> 01:42:20.880 dominant ages at the top of the rotation. They had 1929 01:42:20.920 --> 01:42:24.439 Tim Hudson, Mark Boulder, and Barry Zito, and two of 1930 01:42:24.439 --> 01:42:27.279 those guys won cy YOUG Awards at one point in 1931 01:42:27.319 --> 01:42:30.000 their career. Yet it kind of gets glossed over in 1932 01:42:30.039 --> 01:42:32.359 the movie. And oh, by the way, that year they 1933 01:42:32.399 --> 01:42:35.600 also had the American League MVP and Miguel Tahata, which 1934 01:42:35.720 --> 01:42:39.199 kind of also doesn't really get featured in the film. 1935 01:42:39.560 --> 01:42:42.279 And the other thing, I hate to burst the fan out, 1936 01:42:42.319 --> 01:42:44.640 there's bubble, but you never had to pay for soda 1937 01:42:44.640 --> 01:42:45.279 in the clubhouse. 1938 01:42:45.279 --> 01:42:46.359 That's completely hogwashed. 1939 01:42:49.520 --> 01:42:53.039 I love this And Rudy wasn't real either, by the way. 1940 01:42:53.199 --> 01:42:54.079 I know that one too. 1941 01:42:56.000 --> 01:42:59.399 They had to make it more appealing right for the audience. 1942 01:42:59.439 --> 01:43:01.479 All it was such a great start. Chad Bradford, who 1943 01:43:01.520 --> 01:43:04.600 is this, you know, submarine specialist that comes in and 1944 01:43:04.960 --> 01:43:07.920 Scott Hadiberg teaching him to play first base. It's it's 1945 01:43:07.960 --> 01:43:11.279 got to be more attractive than talking about Mulder, Hudson 1946 01:43:11.359 --> 01:43:11.760 and Zeno. 1947 01:43:12.159 --> 01:43:16.199 But don't But don't you think that sports actually in 1948 01:43:16.239 --> 01:43:18.760 its raw form, I mean, you don't have to embellish it. 1949 01:43:18.840 --> 01:43:22.880 There's plenty of great stories that you know, you can 1950 01:43:22.960 --> 01:43:24.960 just state of the true true nature of them, and 1951 01:43:25.000 --> 01:43:27.880 they're they're very compelling. I don't know, I just I 1952 01:43:27.880 --> 01:43:30.159 don't think you have to embellish it to make it wonderful. 1953 01:43:30.880 --> 01:43:33.600 No, And look, the twenty game win streak was incredible. 1954 01:43:34.119 --> 01:43:37.880 Right to see the A's win night after night and 1955 01:43:37.960 --> 01:43:43.479 think about that twenty consecutive wins and that's you're on 1956 01:43:43.600 --> 01:43:46.800 top of your game for over three straight weeks. That's 1957 01:43:46.840 --> 01:43:50.720 incredible to do. And then, of course the Indians or 1958 01:43:50.760 --> 01:43:53.399 the Guardians I think they were the I think they 1959 01:43:53.399 --> 01:43:54.960 were the Indians. Were they the Guardians at the time 1960 01:43:54.960 --> 01:43:56.319 that they won the twenty two in a row? 1961 01:43:57.560 --> 01:44:00.760 I remember because I thought they were the Indians. 1962 01:44:01.079 --> 01:44:05.479 Okay, just Cleveland, I'll be safe and just go Cleveland. 1963 01:44:06.239 --> 01:44:10.079 But it's crazy to think about how consistent you need 1964 01:44:10.119 --> 01:44:12.640 to be and the other as you know this as 1965 01:44:12.680 --> 01:44:15.760 well as anybody. Those professionals on the other side, I 1966 01:44:15.800 --> 01:44:18.680 don't care, for example, how bad the Colorado Rockies are 1967 01:44:18.800 --> 01:44:21.439 this year. That is a major league team and they're 1968 01:44:21.479 --> 01:44:27.600 professionals and they're competing at the highest level. And to 1969 01:44:27.960 --> 01:44:31.319 win twenty consecutive major league games, that's incredible. 1970 01:44:31.920 --> 01:44:35.039 Well it is because you talk about the bad teams 1971 01:44:35.079 --> 01:44:37.800 are still really good, and they are. And that line 1972 01:44:37.840 --> 01:44:41.119 between winning and losing is so thin, and it's just 1973 01:44:41.439 --> 01:44:44.199 and it moves all the time. And you know, you 1974 01:44:44.239 --> 01:44:46.079 can walk into a game and say, oh man, we 1975 01:44:46.199 --> 01:44:47.720 got this and we are just on top of the 1976 01:44:47.720 --> 01:44:50.640 world and we're playing a garbage team today and you 1977 01:44:50.680 --> 01:44:53.279 get it handed to you or the other way around. 1978 01:44:53.319 --> 01:44:54.760 You know, it's like, I don't know if we got 1979 01:44:54.800 --> 01:44:57.319 a shot today, and all of a sudden, you beat 1980 01:44:57.359 --> 01:45:00.239 the best team in the world. So yeah, it's to 1981 01:45:00.600 --> 01:45:04.199 do that is absolutely incredible. To win that number of 1982 01:45:04.239 --> 01:45:08.159 games in a row. All right, let's go ahead. 1983 01:45:08.640 --> 01:45:13.520 No no, no about upsets. Okay, upsets happen, and but to 1984 01:45:13.560 --> 01:45:16.479 do it on the road and you're fatigued, you're tired, 1985 01:45:16.520 --> 01:45:21.279 but you keep grinding, and you see upsets, crazy upsets 1986 01:45:21.279 --> 01:45:24.000 more in college, and you do professionally because the pros 1987 01:45:24.000 --> 01:45:27.760 are just not upsets. It's because they're professionals. They're getting 1988 01:45:27.760 --> 01:45:31.000 paid just like everybody Else's all. 1989 01:45:31.039 --> 01:45:33.319 Right in our little game we're playing here, I'm going 1990 01:45:33.399 --> 01:45:35.960 to let you it's it's dealer's choice. So you get 1991 01:45:35.960 --> 01:45:39.039 to pick which sport you want to talk about that 1992 01:45:39.119 --> 01:45:42.840 you broadcast. Give me relevant information that I need to know. 1993 01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:50.840 Oh, relevant information that we need to know. Well, I 1994 01:45:50.880 --> 01:45:53.319 went and watched by U basketball practice the other day. 1995 01:45:53.399 --> 01:45:54.720 Is that relevant? 1996 01:45:55.800 --> 01:45:59.800 Absolutely? Yeah, we're we're on the Voice of Utah. But yeah, 1997 01:46:00.039 --> 01:46:06.560 I know, I'm kidding, hay On. Let me give you 1998 01:46:06.920 --> 01:46:11.079 because this is this is my perspective, and I'm a 1999 01:46:11.119 --> 01:46:14.560 big fan of Look, I went to Utah and I 2000 01:46:14.760 --> 01:46:17.479 left and I went, you know, and played professional football 2001 01:46:17.520 --> 01:46:19.880 and all that stuff. And I want my uthes to 2002 01:46:19.920 --> 01:46:22.960 be on the national stage. And I think by U 2003 01:46:23.079 --> 01:46:26.239 basketball is headed there, if it isn't there already, and 2004 01:46:26.279 --> 01:46:31.319 they're making that commitment, whether it's financially and whatever they're doing. 2005 01:46:31.640 --> 01:46:34.079 You know, they get the number one prospect in the country, 2006 01:46:34.119 --> 01:46:37.479 and and it looks like they've got a pretty solid 2007 01:46:37.600 --> 01:46:41.720 basketball team this year. And it's and it's mind boggling 2008 01:46:41.760 --> 01:46:44.159 to me because here you're in the Big Twelve and 2009 01:46:44.199 --> 01:46:46.479 you talk about what is this This This conference is 2010 01:46:46.520 --> 01:46:50.039 known for basketball, and it's certainly not known for BYU basketball, 2011 01:46:50.640 --> 01:46:54.359 but they are making a name for themselves. And I'm 2012 01:46:54.520 --> 01:46:57.399 just saying, hey, big brother up the street forty five 2013 01:46:57.439 --> 01:47:00.239 minutes away, you better get your act together. Are you 2014 01:47:00.319 --> 01:47:02.640 going to get left in the dust. That's my take 2015 01:47:02.680 --> 01:47:02.920 on this. 2016 01:47:03.600 --> 01:47:06.119 Well, I think the Big Twelve took notice that by 2017 01:47:06.239 --> 01:47:11.479 us a player last year, look what Kevin Young did 2018 01:47:12.039 --> 01:47:15.600 with certainly some support both financially and off the floor, 2019 01:47:15.640 --> 01:47:19.520 that they're going to compete and they've got the resources 2020 01:47:19.560 --> 01:47:22.560 to do it. And last year, for example, Jegor Demon 2021 01:47:23.079 --> 01:47:25.279 the top ten pick this year in the NBA Draft, 2022 01:47:25.760 --> 01:47:28.000 and they go out, as you alluded to, HJ. Debansa 2023 01:47:28.119 --> 01:47:31.479 coming in as the top prospect of the country, Richie 2024 01:47:31.520 --> 01:47:36.359 Saunders staying, they have depth, they're really talented, and they're 2025 01:47:36.399 --> 01:47:38.800 going to be really good and I don't see it 2026 01:47:38.880 --> 01:47:42.880 flowing down anytime soon. And maybe that's what motivated the 2027 01:47:42.920 --> 01:47:49.600 coaching change in Utah and to try to kind of 2028 01:47:49.600 --> 01:47:51.239 copy I don't want to say copy what they're doing, 2029 01:47:51.359 --> 01:47:53.880 but certainly the way the Utah puts their stamp on it, 2030 01:47:53.920 --> 01:47:56.119 because we know how proud of a basketball program the 2031 01:47:56.239 --> 01:47:59.239 running Utes have you do you think. 2032 01:47:59.039 --> 01:48:01.880 That ask you know, you talk about putting a stamp 2033 01:48:01.960 --> 01:48:05.000 or copying it. You know, you have Kevin Young, who's it. 2034 01:48:05.239 --> 01:48:07.640 You know, watching BYU, it looked more like a pro 2035 01:48:07.800 --> 01:48:10.720 styled game. You know, the floor was spread out more, 2036 01:48:10.760 --> 01:48:15.119 and it looked, you know, more of a free or 2037 01:48:15.159 --> 01:48:18.760 flowing game and as opposed to kind of hunkered in 2038 01:48:18.920 --> 01:48:22.840 and you know, and in a half court game. And 2039 01:48:23.039 --> 01:48:25.720 so Utah Alex Jensen, who was a former player but 2040 01:48:26.039 --> 01:48:30.079 had a lot of extensive experience as an assistant in 2041 01:48:30.119 --> 01:48:33.119 the NBA. Do you think that's a just a one 2042 01:48:33.199 --> 01:48:35.399 or two off just just because of it, you know 2043 01:48:35.479 --> 01:48:38.279 the nature of the schools here, or is this potentially 2044 01:48:38.359 --> 01:48:40.439 a trend in college basketball in general? 2045 01:48:41.239 --> 01:48:44.960 Well, I think for example, with Utah seeing a success 2046 01:48:44.960 --> 01:48:47.840 that BYU had, I'm sure it had some influence on 2047 01:48:48.159 --> 01:48:51.119 hiring Alex Jensen, and of course the former player, but 2048 01:48:51.199 --> 01:48:54.520 with the NBA experience, but you're seeing at some NBA 2049 01:48:54.560 --> 01:48:57.800 guys in the college game and have success And for example, 2050 01:48:57.840 --> 01:49:01.279 my alma mater over at cal Mark Matt who was 2051 01:49:01.319 --> 01:49:04.840 at Utah Valley, did a really good job as a 2052 01:49:04.880 --> 01:49:08.159 college head coach coach in the NBA with the Lakers 2053 01:49:08.279 --> 01:49:12.359 played in the NBA for a long time. USC Eric 2054 01:49:12.439 --> 01:49:16.039 Musselman was a head coach in the NBA even the 2055 01:49:16.079 --> 01:49:19.079 mid major quote unquote programs. Mike Bibbie gets hired as 2056 01:49:19.119 --> 01:49:22.439 the head coach at Sacramento State. You're seeing that NBA 2057 01:49:22.479 --> 01:49:27.079 influence now come in to the college game. And it's 2058 01:49:27.199 --> 01:49:30.439 not just that influence, but when I watch Arizona play, 2059 01:49:30.439 --> 01:49:33.119 for example, the free flowing offense that Tommy Lloyd has 2060 01:49:33.159 --> 01:49:35.359 and when they were doing at Gonzaga when he was 2061 01:49:35.399 --> 01:49:39.640 there as well, that's kind of what the thought process is. 2062 01:49:39.680 --> 01:49:42.119 And I thought how creative Mark Pope was when he 2063 01:49:42.159 --> 01:49:45.000 was the coach at BYU and how their offense and 2064 01:49:45.079 --> 01:49:48.479 now he carries it to Kentucky. So I think we're 2065 01:49:48.479 --> 01:49:51.760 seeing more of that NBA influence come into the college game. 2066 01:49:53.600 --> 01:49:55.560 I got one more question for you, and I'm going 2067 01:49:55.600 --> 01:49:58.479 to pick the sport. This is our last question. The 2068 01:49:58.479 --> 01:50:01.239 game done amazing, by the way, I'm very impressed how 2069 01:50:01.279 --> 01:50:06.079 you play this game, but so the Mammoth. Of course 2070 01:50:06.239 --> 01:50:09.359 you were the Coyotes. Now they're the Mammoth. We're trying, 2071 01:50:09.439 --> 01:50:11.720 we're slowly being convinced that the Mammoth was a thing 2072 01:50:11.720 --> 01:50:15.640 here in Utah. But it was just a long time. 2073 01:50:15.720 --> 01:50:18.439 It's ten thousand years ago. It's but we're catching up 2074 01:50:18.439 --> 01:50:22.319 to history. What is it going to take and have 2075 01:50:22.079 --> 01:50:26.439 the Mammoth done enough to make it to be a 2076 01:50:26.439 --> 01:50:29.760 playoff team this year? In this in this NHL season. 2077 01:50:30.199 --> 01:50:32.880 I thought they could have been a playoff team last year, 2078 01:50:32.920 --> 01:50:34.960 but things had to go right, and they had so 2079 01:50:35.079 --> 01:50:38.279 many injuries, got in the blue line right with John 2080 01:50:38.359 --> 01:50:42.439 marineing as much time as he did, Sergachev was banged up, 2081 01:50:42.439 --> 01:50:44.880 Sean Dursey was out for an extended period of time. 2082 01:50:45.560 --> 01:50:48.720 It makes it hard to compete when guys you're counting on, 2083 01:50:48.840 --> 01:50:51.520 and that was basically you didn't have half of your 2084 01:50:51.560 --> 01:50:54.840 defense corps for a good chunk of the season. I 2085 01:50:54.960 --> 01:50:57.920 like the move they made to go get Pa Turca 2086 01:50:58.199 --> 01:51:01.760 to give them some more firepower up. Look, guys that 2087 01:51:01.840 --> 01:51:04.479 score twenty five thirty goals a year, they don't grow 2088 01:51:04.520 --> 01:51:07.239 on trees. And when I look at the top six 2089 01:51:07.319 --> 01:51:11.119 offensively that they have with the great season that Keller had, 2090 01:51:12.640 --> 01:51:15.079 the emergence of Gunther like, this is a team that 2091 01:51:15.159 --> 01:51:17.720 can't compete. The problem that they have is you look 2092 01:51:17.720 --> 01:51:20.800 at the division and how good Dallas is and the 2093 01:51:20.800 --> 01:51:24.960 firepower Colorado has. It is a very tough division to 2094 01:51:25.000 --> 01:51:27.359 compete in, and that's what they're going to have to do. 2095 01:51:27.479 --> 01:51:31.039 But I think they can push. I think that there's 2096 01:51:31.079 --> 01:51:34.319 a lot of young talent that's pushing under the radar 2097 01:51:34.439 --> 01:51:36.439 move I like to pick up a Brandon tanneb You 2098 01:51:36.439 --> 01:51:38.680 need to have a little sandpaper out there and some depth. 2099 01:51:39.359 --> 01:51:42.560 This is a team that I think is definitely in 2100 01:51:42.600 --> 01:51:45.199 the upswing and could push for a playoff spot next year. 2101 01:51:46.479 --> 01:51:48.520 I sure hope. So for the sake and the sanity 2102 01:51:48.560 --> 01:51:50.560 of all sports fans in the state of Utah, we 2103 01:51:50.600 --> 01:51:55.119 need some winning. We're in the process of rebuilding all 2104 01:51:55.159 --> 01:51:59.479 of our professional sports teams except for RSL. RSL is 2105 01:51:59.520 --> 01:52:00.319 doing quite well. 2106 01:52:00.359 --> 01:52:02.920 So well, I'll say that Mammoth they're not rebuilding at 2107 01:52:02.920 --> 01:52:07.880 this point. They're rising. They were bottomed out and they 2108 01:52:08.000 --> 01:52:10.119 consistently been getting better, so they're on the rise. 2109 01:52:10.159 --> 01:52:13.279 How's that. I love the optimism. Hey, and thank you 2110 01:52:13.279 --> 01:52:15.479 so much for humoring me with this little game we played. 2111 01:52:15.520 --> 01:52:17.079 I hope it wasn't too much for you. I didn't 2112 01:52:17.079 --> 01:52:21.199 ask you to name any pa Polynesian names, so hopefully 2113 01:52:21.199 --> 01:52:23.119 it was a good day, a lot of fun. 2114 01:52:23.119 --> 01:52:25.000 I really appreciate thanks for having me man. 2115 01:52:26.039 --> 01:52:28.920 All right, have a good day you too. All right, 2116 01:52:28.960 --> 01:52:31.239 there you have it. Roxy Bernstein. Of course, he is 2117 01:52:31.279 --> 01:52:37.159 the man. He broadcasts all the sports around the sports dial. 2118 01:52:37.359 --> 01:52:40.520 So oh, we're going to get some sound from Utah 2119 01:52:40.640 --> 01:52:46.439 coming up here at after the break, We're going to 2120 01:52:46.520 --> 01:52:52.119 have sounds from Camp ESPN seven our listeners. Help children 2121 01:52:52.199 --> 01:52:54.640 at the road home start school in style. Stop by 2122 01:52:54.680 --> 01:52:57.760 the advocates in Ogden, American Fork or Murray, pick an 2123 01:52:57.760 --> 01:53:00.640 apple from the tree, and you can supply clothing, backpacks 2124 01:53:00.680 --> 01:53:03.159 for a child at the road home. Is the drive 2125 01:53:03.199 --> 01:53:06.159 was spent? Check its here on ESPN seven hundred ninety 2126 01:53:06.199 --> 01:53:09.880 two one FM. Utah's the number one sports talk a 2127 01:53:10.159 --> 01:53:13.279 fun show today, A lot of crazy stuff to talk about. 2128 01:53:14.239 --> 01:53:16.720 I just enjoy it, I really do. I hope you too. 2129 01:53:16.800 --> 01:53:19.520 I hope you enjoy the stories, the insight, the interviews, 2130 01:53:20.880 --> 01:53:25.840 all of it, the analysis, paralysis by analysis, pick a guy, 2131 01:53:25.920 --> 01:53:27.720 let a fly. These are all the things we just learned. 2132 01:53:28.840 --> 01:53:32.840 Right now, we're going to do a little Camp Kyle assessment. 2133 01:53:33.279 --> 01:53:36.640 Of course, we have the coordinators talking to us, and 2134 01:53:36.760 --> 01:53:40.279 we have none other than old Morgan Scaley. He's gonna 2135 01:53:40.319 --> 01:53:41.880 tell us what's going on up with night Hill. 2136 01:53:42.840 --> 01:53:45.119 I asked you at the end of spring what might 2137 01:53:45.199 --> 01:53:48.359 still be top of mind come fall, and you mentioned depth, 2138 01:53:48.399 --> 01:53:49.840 that corner and defensive tackle. 2139 01:53:50.319 --> 01:53:51.640 Obviously you haven't. 2140 01:53:51.439 --> 01:53:52.840 Been on the field yet, but where do you write 2141 01:53:52.920 --> 01:53:53.720 where do you feel. 2142 01:53:53.479 --> 01:53:55.760 Here save spat spot. 2143 01:53:55.840 --> 01:54:00.520 That's good, very good, yeah, but you know good to 2144 01:54:00.560 --> 01:54:03.920 have a couple uh funeral d tackles dal In Battle 2145 01:54:04.399 --> 01:54:08.439 transferring from LSU Pooper Cepalona, Semi Talalonga. 2146 01:54:08.600 --> 01:54:09.960 So those bodies will. 2147 01:54:09.800 --> 01:54:11.880 Help out a lot in the depth category. Now it's 2148 01:54:11.880 --> 01:54:14.439 just a matter of developed, developing them and seeing who 2149 01:54:15.239 --> 01:54:17.600 can play right away. The good thing is is we're 2150 01:54:17.640 --> 01:54:20.479 not having to do much physically with them. 2151 01:54:20.600 --> 01:54:24.000 There were there weights where it needs to be. It's 2152 01:54:24.119 --> 01:54:25.079 just learning the defense. 2153 01:54:25.239 --> 01:54:27.800 What led to your pursuit of Dylan Battle in the 2154 01:54:27.840 --> 01:54:29.640 transfer portal outside of just the need of. 2155 01:54:29.600 --> 01:54:33.199 Depth, well depth, the relationship he had with a former teammate, 2156 01:54:34.119 --> 01:54:35.600 you know, and he was being let go. It was 2157 01:54:35.640 --> 01:54:40.239 also an opportunity to look at something. You know, he 2158 01:54:40.279 --> 01:54:44.600 was coming off an injury and we felt like we 2159 01:54:44.600 --> 01:54:47.279 could be pretty aggressive in the treatment of it, that 2160 01:54:47.279 --> 01:54:48.560 we could get him going right away. 2161 01:54:48.680 --> 01:54:50.159 So there are a few things there. 2162 01:54:50.159 --> 01:54:52.199 But obviously with the relationship we had with his coaching 2163 01:54:52.239 --> 01:54:55.319 staff back in high school and then his relationship with meate. 2164 01:54:56.520 --> 01:54:58.880 When you look at fall camp, how do you want 2165 01:54:58.920 --> 01:55:01.239 to approach it in terms of trying to like get 2166 01:55:01.239 --> 01:55:04.079 guys aggressive, kind of get them ready, but also still 2167 01:55:04.159 --> 01:55:05.359 kind of save something for the season. 2168 01:55:06.760 --> 01:55:09.039 Yeah, it's a physical sport. You gotta you gotta be 2169 01:55:09.079 --> 01:55:12.000 able to practice tackling. I think a few years ago 2170 01:55:12.039 --> 01:55:14.279 and we played Florida. First time we played Florida at 2171 01:55:14.279 --> 01:55:19.159 their place. We tried it, tried to dial it down physically, 2172 01:55:19.199 --> 01:55:20.960 and we missed a ton of tackles in that game 2173 01:55:21.000 --> 01:55:24.079 and it exposed us a little bit. So, yes, you know, 2174 01:55:24.159 --> 01:55:27.920 we want to get to the first game healthy and uh, 2175 01:55:28.000 --> 01:55:31.199 you know, we're spacing out the practices and the periods 2176 01:55:31.680 --> 01:55:33.520 in a way that you know, we feel like we're 2177 01:55:33.520 --> 01:55:36.159 being smart with with their health. At the same time, 2178 01:55:36.960 --> 01:55:39.239 as a physical sport, you got to practice physicality, got 2179 01:55:39.359 --> 01:55:40.760 to be able to tackle and do the things that 2180 01:55:40.800 --> 01:55:41.720 football players do. 2181 01:55:42.359 --> 01:55:46.600 Your defensive end room looks noticeably different, obviously in terms 2182 01:55:46.640 --> 01:55:49.600 of the faces, but also just leaner, builds more athleticism. 2183 01:55:49.600 --> 01:55:52.199 Has that been a point of emphasis this offseason? Increase 2184 01:55:52.239 --> 01:55:54.640 in the athleticism, Uh. 2185 01:55:54.920 --> 01:56:02.239 Not necessarily, I would say getting stronger. Definitely. You're always 2186 01:56:02.279 --> 01:56:04.319 looking for speed off the edge. You know, this is 2187 01:56:05.199 --> 01:56:07.079 again a point I've talked about before. 2188 01:56:07.279 --> 01:56:08.399 I'm much more. 2189 01:56:09.640 --> 01:56:15.960 Focused on a productive, efficient pass rush than sacks. If 2190 01:56:15.960 --> 01:56:18.760 I'm hitting a quarterback, if I'm being disruptive, then you're 2191 01:56:18.800 --> 01:56:20.359 forcing him to get rid of the ball quicker than 2192 01:56:20.359 --> 01:56:22.600 he wants to. So I felt like we did a 2193 01:56:22.600 --> 01:56:24.840 pretty good job of that last year. Obviously the sack 2194 01:56:24.920 --> 01:56:29.159 count wasn't what it was in previous seasons, but I 2195 01:56:29.159 --> 01:56:31.680 felt like we were effective at getting to the quarterback. 2196 01:56:32.119 --> 01:56:34.439 I like the depth that we have there. I think 2197 01:56:34.439 --> 01:56:36.720 that we've gotten better. Coach Palace done a great job 2198 01:56:36.760 --> 01:56:39.399 of developing that group, and it's going to be a 2199 01:56:39.399 --> 01:56:41.119 competitive fall camp for those guys. 2200 01:56:42.479 --> 01:56:45.239 Corners also in the portal at GC Heart and Jalen Motion, 2201 01:56:45.359 --> 01:56:46.039 what did they bring. 2202 01:56:45.920 --> 01:56:46.720 To this corner room. 2203 01:56:46.920 --> 01:56:47.600 We'll find out. 2204 01:56:48.039 --> 01:56:51.840 Jac obviously has a ton of speed, he was a 2205 01:56:51.880 --> 01:56:54.960 track guy out of high school, had shown that at 2206 01:56:55.039 --> 01:56:56.520 Auburn the. 2207 01:56:56.479 --> 01:56:58.479 Speed and the fluidity that we were looking for. 2208 01:56:58.560 --> 01:57:03.479 He's got to continue to make sure that he's doing 2209 01:57:03.479 --> 01:57:06.720 everything he can to be healthy, you know, with shoulder 2210 01:57:06.760 --> 01:57:13.520 and everything. And then Mosen obviously provides some quickness, some athleticism. 2211 01:57:13.680 --> 01:57:18.239 So those are two guys that need the development as well. 2212 01:57:18.760 --> 01:57:20.720 But we would not have gone that route if we 2213 01:57:20.720 --> 01:57:23.199 didn't feel like we could use them right away. 2214 01:57:23.279 --> 01:57:25.439 You've seen a lot of offensive looks in your tenure, 2215 01:57:25.640 --> 01:57:27.479 but what does it mean to have a guy like 2216 01:57:27.479 --> 01:57:30.439 Devin Dampier who can kind of make things just different 2217 01:57:30.920 --> 01:57:32.560 to kind of help your defense. 2218 01:57:34.960 --> 01:57:35.199 Man? 2219 01:57:35.560 --> 01:57:38.279 You know, Athletic quarterbacks just cause issues, particularly when you're 2220 01:57:38.319 --> 01:57:42.319 going to use them in a dedicated quarterback run game. 2221 01:57:42.399 --> 01:57:46.159 It's one thing for him to just pull it on 2222 01:57:46.199 --> 01:57:46.960 his own. 2223 01:57:47.720 --> 01:57:51.159 Escape the pocket, things break down and he's able to 2224 01:57:51.199 --> 01:57:54.479 make plays just with his legs on his own. But 2225 01:57:54.520 --> 01:57:58.640 when there's a dedicated run package or that you, as 2226 01:57:58.680 --> 01:58:00.960 a defensive coordinator, I really have to focus on, Okay, 2227 01:58:00.960 --> 01:58:03.439 how are we going to add a guy in the box? 2228 01:58:03.800 --> 01:58:06.479 You know, how are we going to take care of 2229 01:58:06.479 --> 01:58:08.119 the quarterback in the run game. 2230 01:58:09.159 --> 01:58:13.840 It really forces you to practice that. So he provides both. 2231 01:58:14.079 --> 01:58:15.680 You know he can if you're going to form man 2232 01:58:15.760 --> 01:58:17.680 rush the kid. He does a great job of understanding 2233 01:58:17.720 --> 01:58:20.800 when things break down when to take off. But they 2234 01:58:20.840 --> 01:58:23.399 also have a very good, dedicated QB run game. 2235 01:58:23.800 --> 01:58:26.359 At the beginning of spring, you talked about having an 2236 01:58:26.359 --> 01:58:28.720 emphasis on more havoc plays this season. How do you 2237 01:58:28.760 --> 01:58:30.319 feel that that went in the spring and then how 2238 01:58:30.359 --> 01:58:32.760 does that work going to continue going on into the fall. 2239 01:58:32.800 --> 01:58:37.119 I felt like havoc plays were a strong emphasis in spring. 2240 01:58:37.159 --> 01:58:38.720 I felt like we did a really good job of it. 2241 01:58:39.079 --> 01:58:41.319 The takeaways were really good. That's got to continue in 2242 01:58:41.399 --> 01:58:46.159 fall camp. The studies have shown us that you know, 2243 01:58:46.399 --> 01:58:50.159 your takeaways come from your number one takeaway in the 2244 01:58:50.159 --> 01:58:53.199 Big Twelve last year was an interception in zone coverage. 2245 01:58:53.239 --> 01:58:56.880 It's zone eyes, it's quarterbacks forcing things into windows. 2246 01:58:57.840 --> 01:59:01.159 The second was intercept in man coverage. 2247 01:59:01.199 --> 01:59:04.000 Which man coverage, you know, usually that's more of an 2248 01:59:04.000 --> 01:59:05.239 incompletion coverage. 2249 01:59:05.399 --> 01:59:06.720 Your your completion. 2250 01:59:06.399 --> 01:59:09.920 Percentage goes down, and so the majority of interceptions you 2251 01:59:10.000 --> 01:59:14.560 see there are you know, tipped passes, free safety coming 2252 01:59:14.600 --> 01:59:18.680 over the top. And then you know, so the next 2253 01:59:18.680 --> 01:59:21.680 thing that you're looking at is forced fumbles from the 2254 01:59:21.680 --> 01:59:23.680 second guy in, not the first guy in. 2255 01:59:23.760 --> 01:59:24.319 Second guy in. 2256 01:59:24.399 --> 01:59:27.920 So there are certain takeaways, certain aspects of takeaways that 2257 01:59:27.960 --> 01:59:31.279 you can practice zone drops, catching a football, you know, 2258 01:59:31.319 --> 01:59:36.239 including footballs in your drill work, and then a focus 2259 01:59:36.279 --> 01:59:38.159 on second guy in, how to strip the ball, how 2260 01:59:38.159 --> 01:59:39.640 to take care of the ball, how to go down, 2261 01:59:40.199 --> 01:59:42.439 how to recover ball in traffic versus how to recover 2262 01:59:42.520 --> 01:59:45.680 a ball in space right, and so those are the 2263 01:59:45.720 --> 01:59:47.239 things that we have to do a really good job 2264 01:59:47.279 --> 01:59:50.960 of the things that you can practice in terms of takeaways. 2265 01:59:50.479 --> 01:59:52.439 You better be practicing. And I feel like we're doing 2266 01:59:52.479 --> 01:59:53.000 a good job of that. 2267 01:59:53.199 --> 01:59:56.159 You talked about you talked about completion percentage, you know, 2268 01:59:56.199 --> 01:59:58.640 in coverage smith snow and allowed. I think like forty 2269 01:59:58.680 --> 02:00:01.199 percent coverage. Tail On someone's also really good. What's going 2270 02:00:01.239 --> 02:00:04.640 to be the key for them becoming more playmakers on 2271 02:00:04.760 --> 02:00:07.000 the ball and getting those takeaways. 2272 02:00:08.119 --> 02:00:11.720 It's just a matter of making the plays. 2273 02:00:12.159 --> 02:00:14.920 There's a couple of times last year where Tail's got 2274 02:00:14.920 --> 02:00:16.960 the ball right there, can make can make a play, 2275 02:00:17.039 --> 02:00:19.359 didn't make the play, and so it's just a matter 2276 02:00:19.399 --> 02:00:21.640 of making the play. He's got the athleticism he's got 2277 02:00:21.680 --> 02:00:23.920 the ability. We just got to be able to make 2278 02:00:23.960 --> 02:00:27.640 the play. So again, drill work where they're flipping finding 2279 02:00:27.800 --> 02:00:31.560 the ball right locally, locate drills on the sideline when 2280 02:00:31.560 --> 02:00:35.960 you're when you're working fades, you know, vertical routes, jumping 2281 02:00:35.960 --> 02:00:38.800 in front of the vertical route. When to steal, when 2282 02:00:38.840 --> 02:00:40.920 to strike right? There comes a time where you have 2283 02:00:40.960 --> 02:00:42.800 to make that decision as a safety. Am I am 2284 02:00:42.800 --> 02:00:43.960 I going to be able to get to the ball 2285 02:00:44.000 --> 02:00:46.800 if not strike him? If I can get there, steal it. 2286 02:00:46.880 --> 02:00:49.399 So again, drill work is a big part of that. 2287 02:00:51.279 --> 02:00:51.520 Spring. 2288 02:00:52.159 --> 02:00:54.079 In spring you had talked about you guys just weren't 2289 02:00:54.079 --> 02:00:56.800 good enough and stopping the run. How do you feel 2290 02:00:56.840 --> 02:00:59.039 like you can change that this year? What is the 2291 02:00:59.079 --> 02:01:01.119 personnel like, how do you kind of get to that point? 2292 02:01:01.199 --> 02:01:03.800 Some of it was techniques, some of it was mistackles. 2293 02:01:04.399 --> 02:01:07.000 So again, we got to be able to tackle better, 2294 02:01:07.119 --> 02:01:09.880 you know, the not throwing shoulders, making sure that we 2295 02:01:10.000 --> 02:01:15.880 understand proper tackling technique, and then proper technique in maintaining gaps. 2296 02:01:16.880 --> 02:01:19.199 A big a bunch of the big hitters were guys 2297 02:01:19.239 --> 02:01:20.479 not maintaining their gaps. 2298 02:01:20.520 --> 02:01:24.000 And that's just an alignment assignment deal. 2299 02:01:26.520 --> 02:01:30.520 All right, there you have it. Coach Morgan scally is 2300 02:01:30.600 --> 02:01:34.119 first day of camp. There are some really interesting stuff there. 2301 02:01:34.560 --> 02:01:37.800 A little bit surprising to me. Actually. One of the things, 2302 02:01:37.840 --> 02:01:41.439 of course, is the is the depth and adding a 2303 02:01:41.439 --> 02:01:43.600 few guys in the transfer portal. And the comment to 2304 02:01:43.640 --> 02:01:46.319 me that kind of stood out was, we wouldn't go 2305 02:01:46.399 --> 02:01:49.079 after these guys if we didn't think that they could 2306 02:01:49.119 --> 02:01:53.399 help us immediately. I think it's a big challenge for 2307 02:01:53.640 --> 02:01:57.520 programs in this day and age, where you have the 2308 02:01:57.520 --> 02:02:00.479 transfer portal, you don't have the years to developing. 2309 02:02:00.520 --> 02:02:00.680 You know. 2310 02:02:00.720 --> 02:02:03.960 You hear Coach Scaley talk about TAYO Johnson and there 2311 02:02:03.960 --> 02:02:07.760 were plays to be made and and you know, TAYL 2312 02:02:07.840 --> 02:02:10.760 Johnson this year probably makes those plays. And it's because 2313 02:02:10.760 --> 02:02:12.960 he's had time to develop, he said, time to grow. 2314 02:02:13.000 --> 02:02:16.600 He said, he's gotten that experience, and experience is just 2315 02:02:16.640 --> 02:02:18.760 such a big part of the kind of success you have. 2316 02:02:18.800 --> 02:02:21.680 So it'll be fascinating to me one to see how 2317 02:02:21.800 --> 02:02:27.800 how this defense actually assimilate some of this depth and 2318 02:02:27.840 --> 02:02:29.720 some of these new guys that have come in post 2319 02:02:30.479 --> 02:02:37.359 spring football. Another thing that I thought was interesting was 2320 02:02:38.960 --> 02:02:43.119 that like there's a lot of depth at certain positions, 2321 02:02:43.680 --> 02:02:47.079 and and I think I think the absolute key to 2322 02:02:47.239 --> 02:02:51.079 this defense is to be able to get pressure on 2323 02:02:51.119 --> 02:02:55.960 the quarterback. I I when when the season ended last year, 2324 02:02:56.079 --> 02:02:59.800 if it was me, I would and and I had 2325 02:02:59.880 --> 02:03:01.920 like money to spend and to go out in the 2326 02:03:01.920 --> 02:03:05.359 transfer portal, I go find the best defensive lineman I 2327 02:03:05.359 --> 02:03:10.199 could possibly find in the transfer portal, and I would 2328 02:03:10.199 --> 02:03:14.520 do it in you know, I spend the money at 2329 02:03:14.520 --> 02:03:17.319 because because it just makes this defense go. And you 2330 02:03:17.319 --> 02:03:20.880 have you have athleticism in the secondary, you got experience 2331 02:03:20.880 --> 02:03:24.119 at linebacker. You put pressure on the quarterback, and it 2332 02:03:24.199 --> 02:03:28.239 really spells uh up. You know, a healthy, positive thing 2333 02:03:28.399 --> 02:03:31.560 for your your defense if you can do that. And 2334 02:03:31.600 --> 02:03:35.640 so they've got a lot of guys, and it's really 2335 02:03:35.680 --> 02:03:39.000 good that there's competition because that that's going to raise 2336 02:03:39.760 --> 02:03:42.960 all boats, you know, the competition type of thing. So 2337 02:03:43.039 --> 02:03:46.600 it'll be it'll be fascinating to me to see what 2338 02:03:46.680 --> 02:03:50.960 happens was this defensive line. And and there's some guys 2339 02:03:50.960 --> 02:03:54.279 in there that could potentially really emerge and and and 2340 02:03:54.560 --> 02:03:57.960 you know, you listen to Morgan, you know, he doesn't 2341 02:03:58.000 --> 02:04:02.640 sound like he's full of baloney. It doesn't sound like 2342 02:04:02.680 --> 02:04:04.760 he's just kind of I mean, I know that there's 2343 02:04:04.840 --> 02:04:07.840 you know, there's whatever, but I think he really feels 2344 02:04:07.880 --> 02:04:10.720 confident that he's got some depth at that defensive line position, 2345 02:04:10.800 --> 02:04:14.079 is a defensive end position, and that that someone will 2346 02:04:14.359 --> 02:04:17.520 emerge out of the pack. And you know, it's this 2347 02:04:18.199 --> 02:04:22.439 as this team evolves, as this team develops, the quicker 2348 02:04:22.479 --> 02:04:28.079 that they can create, that assimilation the team, whatever, I 2349 02:04:28.119 --> 02:04:32.199 think the better off they're actually going to be. You 2350 02:04:32.239 --> 02:04:35.880 were there, porter, what what's what's some of your thoughts? 2351 02:04:39.399 --> 02:04:42.399 I always and I agree with you Scott on on 2352 02:04:42.399 --> 02:04:45.039 some of the things that stood out from from one 2353 02:04:45.119 --> 02:04:48.319 Morgan Scalley. But I always kind of point back to 2354 02:04:48.920 --> 02:04:52.600 and and you heard me open up the questioning with Morgan, 2355 02:04:53.159 --> 02:04:57.399 asking him had anything changed from fall and or from 2356 02:04:57.439 --> 02:04:59.399 from spring. Right, he wanted to see depth in the 2357 02:04:59.439 --> 02:05:03.199 quarterback cornerback room and depth in the defensive tackle room improve. 2358 02:05:04.000 --> 02:05:08.039 And his response to that was, Dude, we haven't played 2359 02:05:08.079 --> 02:05:11.039 anything yet, right, we have not hit the field yet. 2360 02:05:11.359 --> 02:05:14.479 This is the first interview of spring. We haven't practiced yet. 2361 02:05:15.560 --> 02:05:19.239 Check back next week, check back after kickoff. And for me, 2362 02:05:20.000 --> 02:05:24.199 that tells me that there's still questions. 2363 02:05:24.359 --> 02:05:24.560 Right. 2364 02:05:25.119 --> 02:05:25.920 The fact that. 2365 02:05:27.680 --> 02:05:31.920 Morgan is being very ambiguous about some of the depth 2366 02:05:31.920 --> 02:05:36.279 at cornerback, at defensive tackle. That tells me that he's 2367 02:05:36.399 --> 02:05:41.760 still working through some of the hierarchy there. And thirty 2368 02:05:41.800 --> 02:05:45.199 one days from kickoff, I really want to see that 2369 02:05:45.239 --> 02:05:47.680 take shape. I really want to know who the first 2370 02:05:47.760 --> 02:05:50.560 four or five guys are at corner and I really 2371 02:05:50.600 --> 02:05:54.119 want to know how deep that defensive tackle rotation is because, 2372 02:05:54.479 --> 02:05:58.039 as you know Scott, on this Utah team and on 2373 02:05:59.239 --> 02:06:04.319 this Particularler defensive scheme, if you can have four, five, 2374 02:06:04.800 --> 02:06:08.159 six guys rotating a defensive tackle, it adds an element 2375 02:06:08.199 --> 02:06:11.119 to this defense that completely changes the way they can play. 2376 02:06:11.279 --> 02:06:14.560 When they've had depth, they've won championships exactly. It's just 2377 02:06:14.760 --> 02:06:18.439 it's just been a thing. Whether it's because you know, 2378 02:06:18.560 --> 02:06:21.039 you save guys, you keep guys healthy, you have a 2379 02:06:21.119 --> 02:06:23.439 nice rotation, they don't get beat up, they don't get 2380 02:06:23.439 --> 02:06:28.039 worn out. There is there's just an attrition through the year, 2381 02:06:29.319 --> 02:06:32.039 and and so having that depth is just is just 2382 02:06:32.199 --> 02:06:34.399 really the key to success. And quite frankly, I think 2383 02:06:34.399 --> 02:06:36.680 it's a key to you know, a lot of these 2384 02:06:36.720 --> 02:06:39.640 big time programs, they just they do their stockpiled with 2385 02:06:39.760 --> 02:06:41.800 really good player you know, the backups. If you think 2386 02:06:41.840 --> 02:06:44.079 about back in the day at USC, the backups might 2387 02:06:44.119 --> 02:06:47.800 be better than the starters and and that's where Utah 2388 02:06:47.880 --> 02:06:50.479 really made a move to be a different team. So 2389 02:06:51.319 --> 02:06:55.600 it's challenging now now the backups. Now the depth is 2390 02:06:55.760 --> 02:06:58.119 coming through the portal and it's coming late, and so 2391 02:06:58.279 --> 02:07:01.640 can they get up to speed. Morgan did say from 2392 02:07:01.640 --> 02:07:04.359 a physical standpoint, we're good. So we don't have a 2393 02:07:04.359 --> 02:07:06.359 bunch of fat bodies that we got to get in shape.