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<v Speaker 1>The online world can be both a safe haven and

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<v Speaker 1>a nasty place. Creators can make a living, people can

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<v Speaker 1>find entertainment, and even a place where they belong. But

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<v Speaker 1>there lurks a darker side of the Internet that can

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<v Speaker 1>be much more than people imagine. In today's case, Bianca

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<v Speaker 1>Devins was a budding creator online when things ended up

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<v Speaker 1>taking a turn for the worse when a jealous friend

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<v Speaker 1>was unsuccessful in making their relationship become much more than

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<v Speaker 1>just friendship.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and Grim, a.

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<v Speaker 1>True crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Warning.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast and material intended for a mature audience.

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<v Speaker 1>Listener discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 2>So we welcome some new additions to the fan this week.

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<v Speaker 1>We did. We currently have four little baby sleeping chicks

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<v Speaker 1>in our loft of our tiny home right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we're hoping that they're going to be sleeping for

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<v Speaker 2>the entirety of.

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<v Speaker 1>This podcast, no kidding. If they end up having to

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<v Speaker 1>make noise whenever we're trying to record, we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to find a solution. But yeah, for now, they're quiet,

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<v Speaker 1>they're sleeping, they're adorable.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, Well this is the second night we're

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<v Speaker 2>having them, and last night they slept all through the night, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which was unexpected.

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<v Speaker 1>It was, but I mean they're babies, they will sleep

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<v Speaker 1>generally speaking. So yeah, our chicken flock officially is now

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<v Speaker 1>up to twelve with these four new chicks. So chicken math.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah if you know, you know, if you don't chickens,

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<v Speaker 1>there's chicken math involved.

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<v Speaker 2>They are seriously the cutest things. Though they are, it

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<v Speaker 2>is so distracting. I am up there numerous times a day.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually took one and put it on a finger

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<v Speaker 1>skateboard today. Don't worry. It was completely safe. I just

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<v Speaker 1>like kept it like standing there and put the chicken

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<v Speaker 1>on top. It was. It was amazing. It wasn't rolling around.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll progress with those skills, just kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, next step is a kickflip. But no, there. They're adorable.

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<v Speaker 1>They're awesome. We even put up a YouTube video if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to check it out links down below. But

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<v Speaker 1>chickens aside, we also have patrons that are absolutely incredible

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<v Speaker 1>that keep supporting this show. So we got a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of people to thank this week because we have Penny McKenzie,

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<v Speaker 1>Joan Haney, Katie Chasten, Ted, Melissa Rule, Marcel Lopez, and

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<v Speaker 1>Debatable Maple, who all joined us on patriot On this week.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Those were some hard names.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, there was a couple of ones that challenge me

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. I like that Ted, you kept it simple, simple,

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<v Speaker 1>sweet love it. I also love Debatable Maple. That was

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming a Canadian.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all good, They're all good.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all good. You guys are amazing. Thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for supporting the show. If you want to support

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<v Speaker 1>the show more than just even you know, listening, link

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<v Speaker 1>to patreons down below. It helps us amazingly. You can

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<v Speaker 1>even give us a rating going you know, give us

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<v Speaker 1>a five star four start whatever you seem appropriate, give

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<v Speaker 1>us a review helps the show, or if you just

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<v Speaker 1>want to listen, we got an awesome episode for you today.

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<v Speaker 2>Question before we start forty two? Are you going to

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<v Speaker 2>crack that beer?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? But I was. I was keeping it suspenseful this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you just ruined this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, here we go. Oh, I was just

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<v Speaker 2>I honestly thought you forgot, which you know what, Actually, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that was stupid. You would never forget.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I wouldn't. I was creating suspense this time. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to find a good moment here.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, when's it going to happen? When's it gonna happen?

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly? There was going to be the perfect moment right

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<v Speaker 1>before I start, that was going to open it. But

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<v Speaker 1>you just gave it away.

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<v Speaker 2>I ruined it.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, as the Red Hot Chili Peppers once said, give

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<v Speaker 1>it away, give it away, give it away now. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>that was terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's okay. Let's get to the true crime, shall we.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's get to the true crime now.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I could say that as fast as

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<v Speaker 1>give it away now though.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you appreciate it. Well, this one kind of mirrors

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<v Speaker 1>the last episode that we did regarding a murder and online,

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<v Speaker 1>because there was much of online involved with this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Last time we debunked it saying, look, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>online portion didn't so much happen. This one, the online

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<v Speaker 1>portion definitely happened, right on, No, not right on.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm very glad the last one didn't happen because

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<v Speaker 2>that was something Yeah. Yeah, wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this one involves a young woman by the name

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<v Speaker 1>of Bianca Michelle Devins. So Bianca was born on October two,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and one. She was a seventeen year old

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<v Speaker 1>United States of America. So Bianca had just recently graduated

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<v Speaker 1>from high school, and like many people her age, she

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<v Speaker 1>was just beginning to take on the world as an

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<v Speaker 1>independent person all on her own, you know, coming of age,

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<v Speaker 1>finding out who you are, what you want to do.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we've all been there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of an exciting time.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, it's also very scary.

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<v Speaker 2>Scary and exciting as so very mixed emotions.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, especially when you're first taking on the world and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, I hate to say it, but the world

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<v Speaker 1>kind of smacks you upside the head and you get

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<v Speaker 1>a reality check on like it's not as easy as

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<v Speaker 1>you think it's going to be. That's for sure, totally sucks,

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean that kind of happens hopefully anyone out there.

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<v Speaker 1>If you haven't hit that point yet, hopefully it is

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<v Speaker 1>easy for you. But a lot of people do struggle

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<v Speaker 1>because the world hits you hard.

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<v Speaker 2>It happens to the best of us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But as such, she was set to attend Mohawk

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<v Speaker 1>Valley Community College in the Fault begin her studies in

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<v Speaker 1>the field of psychology. Now, it was a subject that

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<v Speaker 1>was rather near and dear to Bianca's heart. You see,

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<v Speaker 1>Bianca had struggled with mental illness in her life for

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<v Speaker 1>quite some time. She had previously been diagnosed with depression, anxiety,

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<v Speaker 1>borderline personality disorder, and even post traumatic stress disorder or PTSD.

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<v Speaker 1>She quote had been in and out of the hospital

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's too bad. That's hard.

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<v Speaker 1>It is really hard. So I feel for her. But

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<v Speaker 1>also at the same point, it's like, that's incredible that

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<v Speaker 1>to go into psychology. It's like she's tackling her demon's

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and using it to motivate her exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so good on her for that. But regardless of

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<v Speaker 1>her struggles, Bianca was also described as a kind and

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<v Speaker 1>thoughtful person who often proactively helped other people throughout her life.

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<v Speaker 1>She was always willing to offer good advice if you're

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<v Speaker 1>She was kind, sweet, and a talented artist who had

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<v Speaker 1>aspirations to become a model.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow she sounds wonderful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no kidding, everything that I've read about her, she's

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<v Speaker 1>just this like super kind, super sweet individual.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. We just need so many more people

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>We do on this Unfortunately the world is lacking in

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<v Speaker 1>that department, yes, which kind of sucks, but like you say,

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<v Speaker 1>we need much more of it now. Kimberly, Bianca's mom,

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<v Speaker 1>gave birth to Bianca when she was a teenager, just herself,

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<v Speaker 1>and in many ways, the two of them kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like grew up together, if that makes any sense. So

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<v Speaker 1>there was Bianca, Olivia, who is Bianca's younger sister, and

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<v Speaker 1>Kimberly their mother. So all three of them were very

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<v Speaker 1>close and they not only considered each other family but

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<v Speaker 1>best friends too.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness that I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So it's love that a tight knit little family

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<v Speaker 1>that got going on now. Kimberly's mother even had this

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<v Speaker 1>to say about her daughter Bianca. Quote, she was a

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful person, stronger than I could ever be.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Really, Yes, that's what.

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<v Speaker 1>Kimberly said about her daughter Bianca.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, if you're gonna have your heart melt, that's

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<v Speaker 1>probably a moment when it's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>So for Beyonca, though the real world was not her

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<v Speaker 1>favorite place, she found solace on the Internet, and online

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<v Speaker 1>was a way to escape the real world, and social

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<v Speaker 1>media became her refuge. On the Internet, it's an easy

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<v Speaker 1>place where you can find like minded people who can

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<v Speaker 1>relate to you. They are endless memes and videos to

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<v Speaker 1>distract you from your strug in the real world.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a place where you have control and have the

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<v Speaker 1>ability to leave an unsafe place, for example, or explore

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<v Speaker 1>deeper and learn something new. It's a place where she

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<v Speaker 1>could escape, and soon she developed her online persona as

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<v Speaker 1>an egirl. So an e girl. This is a term

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<v Speaker 1>that's derived from electronic girl or electronic boy. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>conjunction word that people have adapted due to their association

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<v Speaker 1>with the Internet and their online presence. Okay, so it's

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<v Speaker 1>like if I were an e boy, it's because like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm always on Instagram or I'm a gamer,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like you kind of adapt this personality and

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of like goes with like your clothes, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you adapt this style to go along with it.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never heard of that before. No, no, really you

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<v Speaker 2>had prior.

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<v Speaker 1>To Oh definitely. It kind of started gaining popularity, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe in about like twenty nineteen with TikTok and the

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<v Speaker 1>rise of TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, Instagram was one of Bianca's favorite platforms to

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<v Speaker 1>frequent and over her time using her account on the platform,

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<v Speaker 1>she accumulated more than seventy thousand followers on Instagram, which

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<v Speaker 1>is no easy feats. Good on her for achieving that.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah, what was her content are you going to say?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like based around the egirl sort of stuff. Okay, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so like she liked her modeling stuff and I tried

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<v Speaker 1>to look up the account. I'm not sure if I

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<v Speaker 1>found the real account or if it was a mock account,

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<v Speaker 1>but the one I found only had about nine photos

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<v Speaker 1>on it now, okay, so I'm assuming a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>it has been taken down if that was the real account.

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<v Speaker 1>But regardless of her online persona of an egirl was

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<v Speaker 1>was flourishing in this app is where she would actually

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<v Speaker 1>eventually meet twenty one year old Brandon Clark on April

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty nineteen. So at the time, Bianca was seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>and her friend Brandon was twenty one.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Through the platform, the two would begin talking and building

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<v Speaker 1>a relationship together that Bianca made very clear to her

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<v Speaker 1>mother that was a platonic one. She made it very

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<v Speaker 1>clear to Brandon that they were just friends. She wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>looking for anything else. It was just friends and nothing more.

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<v Speaker 2>It's wild, actually, though, how you can have conversations with

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<v Speaker 2>people and you're like friends, right, but you've never physically

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<v Speaker 2>met them. Oh, definitely, really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got friends around the world that I've talked to

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<v Speaker 1>online very frequently and I've never met them. And I've

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<v Speaker 1>actually made friends online that I then met in real life,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like we're super good friends.

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<v Speaker 2>in person. Oh exactly, it's quite Yeah, it's very interesting

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like it's very much so easier to develop

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it comes down to two things. One,

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<v Speaker 1>So you find someone that you kind of click with

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<v Speaker 1>in a like minded community, then second, you have that

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<v Speaker 1>protection of your computer screen or your phone screen or something, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's much easier to open up because it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can just kind of let loose. And then

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<v Speaker 1>by the time when you meet in the real world,

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<v Speaker 1>you've already gone through this process of learning who each

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<v Speaker 1>other are, and it's like you're just you click instantly, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because you just know each other now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know the good, the bad, you know exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So as such, the two friends, you know, Brandon

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<v Speaker 1>and Bianca, they hung out quite a bit and Brandon became,

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<v Speaker 1>as described by Bianca's sister, a trusted family friend. Despite this,

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<v Speaker 1>there was some speculation that there may have been a

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<v Speaker 1>bit more to their relationship than anyone knew, so, with

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<v Speaker 1>a friend of Bianca's believing Brandon supplied her with some

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<v Speaker 1>drugs at times to entice her to spend time with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether this is true or not, it's unclear, and anything

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<v Speaker 1>that's been brought forward in this regard has been purely speculation.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point, Okay, good to know, good, good that

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<v Speaker 2>that's noted.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, However, with Brandon's personality that we will find a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit later on, I wouldn't put it past them

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<v Speaker 1>to at least attempt that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, okay, I'll just wait. I was gonna be like,

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<v Speaker 2>what kind of drugs are we talking about here?

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<v Speaker 1>Don't know?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It could have just been weed or I have no clue. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>as I said that, it is just purely speculation, and

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<v Speaker 1>all I ever found was quote drugs, drugs. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it could have been freaking cough syrup. It could have

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<v Speaker 1>been like, hey, you need a you need an ibuprofen.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, yeah exactly, I'll hook you up. Who

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<v Speaker 1>knows how many milligrams you need? So But regardless of

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<v Speaker 1>that speculation, the fact remains they were friends, nothing more,

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<v Speaker 1>at least as far as Bianca new done, done done.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. I know this is just going to go south

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<v Speaker 2>in a terrible way. I have a feeling. Well, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I'm just like, I have little stories in my

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<v Speaker 2>head where it doesn't end bad and it's kind of nice.

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<v Speaker 1>You're trying to rewrite it as you go. Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel you. Unfortunately, though, in this case, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about what really happened. Okay, so it will

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<v Speaker 1>be two months after the first or after the two

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<v Speaker 1>had first met in the real world. On July thirteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen, that both Bianca and Brandon were headed to

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<v Speaker 1>a concert together. They were going to see a Canadian singer,

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<v Speaker 1>Nicole Dollaganger in New York City, so they drove quite

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<v Speaker 1>a waste to go see it, which is about four

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<v Speaker 1>hours away. It was here at the concert that they

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<v Speaker 1>met up with a mutual friend named Alex. During the show,

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<v Speaker 1>Bianca and Alex allegedly were close and even started hitting

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<v Speaker 1>it off and shared a kiss together. Ooh la la

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<v Speaker 1>la la. It was something that did not exactly sit.

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<v Speaker 2>Well with Brandon, okay, because he liked her.

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<v Speaker 1>He did see although Bianca had made it very clear

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<v Speaker 1>that she didn't want to be romantically involved with Brandon,

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<v Speaker 1>he clearly hoped that she would change her mind, or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that he could get in there and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>change the situation a little bit. And then when he

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<v Speaker 1>witnessed Bianca kissing Alex, his jealousy would take over.

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<v Speaker 2>That's tough. He was sort of just giving it time.

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't taking you know that she wanted to just

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<v Speaker 2>be friends as the end.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was hoping, you know, it could develop into

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<v Speaker 1>something else.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean sometimes it does sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>But regardless of if it does or does not develop,

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<v Speaker 1>you need to respect if someone says no, if they're

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<v Speaker 1>right now just being friends and he's hoping it develops

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<v Speaker 1>into more, there's nothing wrong with that. But if she

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<v Speaker 1>goes off and is now with Alex, he needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be okay with that too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, it sounds like she's very honest.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, following the concert, Bianca and Brandon hopped into

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<v Speaker 1>his car and began their four hour drive back to Utica.

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<v Speaker 1>On this strip, the two began talking and arguing about

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<v Speaker 1>the kiss that Bianca shared with Alex. Things were getting

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<v Speaker 1>worse and worse and heated, and eventually it ended up

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<v Speaker 1>with them kind of quieting down and not really talking

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot to one another.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an awkward drive.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm sure it would have been quite the awkward drive,

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<v Speaker 1>and Bianca clearly probably just wanted to get home at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, so as she waited for her arrival at

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<v Speaker 1>her destination. She began drifting off to sleep. At this time,

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<v Speaker 1>it was it was quite late, like they made the

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<v Speaker 1>four hour trip to the concert, which I'm sure probably

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<v Speaker 1>started at like seven, eight nine o'clock, went a few

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<v Speaker 1>it's in the wee hours of the morning, and she

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<v Speaker 1>began drifting off to sleep, and it would be then

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<v Speaker 1>that Brandon would strike. Brandon turned his car into a

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<v Speaker 1>dead end road that was not too far from where

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<v Speaker 1>Bianca lived, and this is where they were isolated. He

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<v Speaker 1>put his car in park, he set up his camera,

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<v Speaker 1>hit record, and reached down beside his seat and retrieved

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<v Speaker 1>a large black handled knife he had stashed away. Then

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<v Speaker 1>in this instant, in the early morning hours of July fourteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen, Brandon attacked the sleeping Bianca and began quote

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<v Speaker 1>sawing at her throat with the knife. Oh gosh, police

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<v Speaker 1>described it as.

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<v Speaker 2>Sawing, oh wow, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yanka woke up when the attack began, but unfortunately would

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<v Speaker 1>quickly succumb to her wounds from the assault. Brandon now

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<v Speaker 1>took over Beyanca's lifeless body with her head not dearly

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<v Speaker 1>nearly decapitated. He left her sitting in the car while

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<v Speaker 1>he exited and built a bonfire while listening to the

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<v Speaker 1>song test Drive by Joji on repeat. He then took

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<v Speaker 1>to social media. He started on Instagram Stories, where at

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<v Speaker 1>six forty am on July fourteenth, he posted a still

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<v Speaker 1>frame photo from movie Fight Club, then posting a photo

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<v Speaker 1>after that from behind the wheel of his car looking

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<v Speaker 1>at the nighttime road with words here comes hell. It's

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<v Speaker 1>redemption right, which her song lyrics from a band called

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood Undead. From there, it only escalates. His next post

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<v Speaker 1>would be a picture of Bianca's lifeless body, now removed

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<v Speaker 1>from the car, laying underneath a green tarp, but you

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<v Speaker 1>can clearly see the outline of a person underneath his

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<v Speaker 1>bloody hand in the picture, with a caption quote, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sorry Bianca.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit. Yeah, you gotta be fucking me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it gets worse. After these images being posted, Brandon

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<v Speaker 1>then took to another popular app called Discord. In a

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<v Speaker 1>group chat with several other individuals, including members of Bianca's family,

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon posted a picture of Bianca's deceased body where you

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<v Speaker 1>could see very clearly her face and lifeless eyes, along

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<v Speaker 1>with the words quote, sorry, fuckers, you're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to find somebody else to orbit. So to clarify, orbiting

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<v Speaker 1>is apparently when people follow an online individual, idolizing said person,

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<v Speaker 1>like a creator or an influencer. It's kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>a term simping that means anything to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeez, this is okay, you said she I can't even speak.

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<v Speaker 2>There was family in this discord chat. Correct, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be how they're finding out that she

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<v Speaker 2>has died.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct. This is how the family found out she died

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<v Speaker 1>via photo sent by Brandon?

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<v Speaker 2>What the fuck is wrong with him? Was he on drugs?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Sober?

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<v Speaker 2>That is so just.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you could, br no, you like and understand why?

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<v Speaker 2>Like she literally thought that she was with a friend

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<v Speaker 2>and in a safe place.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that was the exact opposite.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>He very quickly did not hesitate to take her life

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<v Speaker 1>because she didn't want to be with him. She kissed

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<v Speaker 1>some other dude.

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<v Speaker 2>It was only because she kissed someone else like that. Ish.

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<v Speaker 1>So Brandon reportedly also called numerous of his family members

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<v Speaker 1>and then reportedly alleged or resembled a suicide note slash

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<v Speaker 1>goodbye on said phones which prompted family to call nine

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<v Speaker 1>one one. They weren't the only ones to call, though,

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<v Speaker 1>People online who had now seen the photos which were

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<v Speaker 1>posted you know, Instagram and Discord, had begun dialing nine

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<v Speaker 1>one one, most of them not sure if this is

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<v Speaker 1>real or fake or what the hell? So they called in,

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<v Speaker 1>and so did Brandon himself. His call went as such, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>my name is Brandon. The victim is Bianca Michelle Devins.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to stay on the phone for long

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<v Speaker 1>because I still need to do the suicide part of

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<v Speaker 1>the murder suicide.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just about okay, I yeah, this one is

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<v Speaker 2>this one you didn't warn me about at all?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't, No, you didn't. You really didn't, Okay, And

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<v Speaker 2>that's the call. And then he just hung hangs up

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<v Speaker 2>the fucking phone.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if that's the only thing that was said,

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<v Speaker 1>but that is the majority of what he said. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the only insert from the call that I could

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<v Speaker 1>find and locate.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to be kidding me. This has me so uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a fucked up one. Now. The police, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>immediately took these nine and one calls very seriously and

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<v Speaker 1>they immediately went to Bianca's home to make contact with

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<v Speaker 1>Bianca's family to see if they can get a hold

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<v Speaker 1>of her. You know, again, they thought it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Fake because yeah, who and who would have done something

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<v Speaker 2>like this for right? Can I just go back to

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<v Speaker 2>the sawing thing? So basically he's sawing her and she

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<v Speaker 2>like wakes up from being asleep and it's just too late,

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<v Speaker 2>like basically basically even like help herself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I don't know. I don't know if she like

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<v Speaker 1>woke up to the act of him cutting her throat

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00:22:19.640 --> 00:22:22.200
<v Speaker 1>or woke up to him like attacking her and like

428
00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:26.319
<v Speaker 1>getting on top of her, but she could not defend herself.

429
00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:28.319
<v Speaker 1>He had a knife and he went right for her

430
00:22:28.359 --> 00:22:29.680
<v Speaker 1>throat and it was far too late.

431
00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Jeez. Okay.

432
00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So the family had, at this point before the

433
00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:40.359
<v Speaker 1>police arrived, already seen the photos, hoping it was fake too. Yes,

434
00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:43.880
<v Speaker 1>no one could get a hold of Bianca. Her mother

435
00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:46.640
<v Speaker 1>was just unable to reach. And in that moment, officers

436
00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:49.480
<v Speaker 1>knew that when they reached the scene that Brandon where

437
00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:52.519
<v Speaker 1>Brandon told him they were, they would be finding something

438
00:22:52.599 --> 00:22:57.480
<v Speaker 1>absolutely horrific, and they were right. As a police arrived,

439
00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:00.599
<v Speaker 1>Brandon took the knife he had used to murder Beyondka

440
00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:03.880
<v Speaker 1>and turned it on himself. He then slit a left

441
00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:06.640
<v Speaker 1>side of his own neck and threw the knife in

442
00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:09.799
<v Speaker 1>his car and laid back onto the green tarp that

443
00:23:09.880 --> 00:23:14.359
<v Speaker 1>was covering Bianca's body. Immediately, he began taking selfies on

444
00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:18.000
<v Speaker 1>his phone with his neck bleeding out and posting photo

445
00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:22.720
<v Speaker 1>one of the photos to snapcheck Snapchat Sorry. In the photo,

446
00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:27.119
<v Speaker 1>he's showing off his neck on which is now bleeding,

447
00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:32.599
<v Speaker 1>onto his blood saturated shirt, with the caption quote ashes

448
00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:38.599
<v Speaker 1>to ashes. Law enforcement body camera footage shows officers approaching

449
00:23:38.680 --> 00:23:42.440
<v Speaker 1>with guns drawn, talking to Brandon, who tells them where

450
00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:44.960
<v Speaker 1>the knife is and that Bianca is under the tarp.

451
00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:48.960
<v Speaker 1>A suicide note and message were found at the scene,

452
00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:52.200
<v Speaker 1>and the body cam footage even shows the spray painted

453
00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:55.640
<v Speaker 1>message that was left on the road and it read

454
00:23:55.799 --> 00:24:00.119
<v Speaker 1>quote may you never forget me? And I just want

455
00:23:59.920 --> 00:24:02.880
<v Speaker 1>to say this, Brandon, I hope the whole fucking word

456
00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:03.480
<v Speaker 1>forgets you.

457
00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Shit. No shit.

458
00:24:05.799 --> 00:24:10.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So he was quickly arrested and was rushed to

459
00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:13.759
<v Speaker 1>hospital where he received emergency surgery for his self inflicted

460
00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:18.039
<v Speaker 1>wounds to his neck. He survived, and the following day

461
00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:22.720
<v Speaker 1>he was officially charged with second degree murder of Bianca Devns.

462
00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:26.440
<v Speaker 2>So he didn't go on this trip intending that that

463
00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:29.720
<v Speaker 2>was going to happen, But I guess because she was

464
00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:34.799
<v Speaker 2>well with another guy, kind of kissing another guy.

465
00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:37.359
<v Speaker 1>There is the possibility that it could have been a

466
00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:40.839
<v Speaker 1>premeditation because he had the knife stashed.

467
00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:42.279
<v Speaker 2>Away, right, he fucking did.

468
00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:47.160
<v Speaker 1>He had the knife stashed away and ready. And now

469
00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:51.119
<v Speaker 1>police are suggesting potentially because he had recording equipment available.

470
00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:53.799
<v Speaker 1>But I believe the video that he recorded while killing

471
00:24:53.839 --> 00:24:57.759
<v Speaker 1>her was on his phone because he did record the

472
00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:02.119
<v Speaker 1>entire attack him Because I said, the police described a

473
00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:07.160
<v Speaker 1>sawing action. Yeah, they watched the video of him slicing

474
00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:07.640
<v Speaker 1>her throat.

475
00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:10.960
<v Speaker 2>No one should have to watch that. And when you

476
00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:16.039
<v Speaker 2>went to go about describing, you were like grabbed his phone.

477
00:25:16.359 --> 00:25:19.519
<v Speaker 2>This okay, just like he just cannot be in his

478
00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:23.839
<v Speaker 2>right mind. This is some of the most bizarre shit

479
00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:26.839
<v Speaker 2>that I've ever heard. And also not at the same time,

480
00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:29.839
<v Speaker 2>because of just the day and age that we live in.

481
00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:34.079
<v Speaker 2>We're social media and like our phones and documenting everything

482
00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:37.200
<v Speaker 2>is just so forefront in all of our minds.

483
00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:40.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just run rampant and taken over many people,

484
00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:44.519
<v Speaker 1>and clearly something like this has taken over Brandon's life.

485
00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:48.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where it's probably just almost felt natural for him

486
00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:51.160
<v Speaker 2>to just be posting what the fuck he was doing.

487
00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now, there are many investigators, such as police Sergeant

488
00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Michael Curly, who actually believe Brandon was searching social media

489
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:03.799
<v Speaker 1>fame himself and wanting to post this and also his message,

490
00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:05.759
<v Speaker 1>you know that he wrote in spray paint, may you

491
00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:09.160
<v Speaker 1>Never Forget Me? So he may be looking at, you know,

492
00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:12.519
<v Speaker 1>Bianca's success on Instagram, having all these followers, and maybe

493
00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:15.039
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to achieve that too, And now that he's

494
00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:18.039
<v Speaker 1>angry with her, he's going to achieve what she did

495
00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:21.680
<v Speaker 1>by killing her and posting it too. Yeah, there's that

496
00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:24.519
<v Speaker 1>whole other layer there too, that he's wanting to achieve

497
00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:28.079
<v Speaker 1>this stardom, this fame, may you never forget Me sort

498
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:31.480
<v Speaker 1>of fucking attitude by killing her.

499
00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it almost seemed like he was just obsessed with

500
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:35.559
<v Speaker 2>her numerous ways. Really.

501
00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:38.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh, he was through and through for sure.

502
00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:41.119
<v Speaker 2>But rightfully so, because it sounds like she was amazing.

503
00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So back to that potential premeditation part, though, there

504
00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:48.119
<v Speaker 1>was also evidence that will be found through Brandon's search

505
00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:50.640
<v Speaker 1>history showing that he made online searches on how to

506
00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:54.359
<v Speaker 1>locate the carotid artery, which is the artery that runs

507
00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:56.880
<v Speaker 1>through a person's neck and feeds blood flow to your brain.

508
00:26:58.359 --> 00:27:00.640
<v Speaker 2>You pointed out, Well, I'm just like that definitely is

509
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:02.720
<v Speaker 2>kind of a premeditation then for sure.

510
00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:06.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he also searched how to incapacitate or kill someone

511
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:09.440
<v Speaker 1>and other general searches for choking and hanging.

512
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:15.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh jeez, Yeah, I can say my search history is

513
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:17.440
<v Speaker 2>pretty fucked. But I guess like all stuff like that

514
00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:17.960
<v Speaker 2>on there.

515
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:22.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, you and I host a true crime podcast,

516
00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:25.079
<v Speaker 1>so I think if there's any investigators, we could probably

517
00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:28.960
<v Speaker 1>be like, look at our podcasts. I'm pretty sure those

518
00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:32.000
<v Speaker 1>searches are going to be related to many of these things.

519
00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:34.920
<v Speaker 2>My part or my search history is so all over

520
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:38.920
<v Speaker 2>the place because I have like true crime celebrities, hockey,

521
00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:42.240
<v Speaker 2>Like I feel like it's just chickens chickens. Like people

522
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:44.559
<v Speaker 2>would be like, who is this chick what is she

523
00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:45.720
<v Speaker 2>actually interested in?

524
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:49.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's like me and my personal Instagram pages, Like

525
00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:52.359
<v Speaker 1>I've got huskies, I've got mountain biking, I've got tiny

526
00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:55.400
<v Speaker 1>home stuff. And then it's like just sprinkled in with

527
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:56.759
<v Speaker 1>like a little bit of a few other things just

528
00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:57.680
<v Speaker 1>randomly in there.

529
00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:01.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I feel like having diverse interests is good.

530
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:04.039
<v Speaker 2>I kind of strive for that, I believe fair enough.

531
00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:05.880
<v Speaker 1>It's not a bad thing by any means. I'm just

532
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:11.039
<v Speaker 1>sure it confuses the hell out of the algorithm. But anyways,

533
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:15.640
<v Speaker 1>we digress. So in court on July twenty ninth, twenty nineteen,

534
00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Brandon would plead not guilty to second degree.

535
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:21.039
<v Speaker 2>Murder you don't say.

536
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:25.039
<v Speaker 1>He was later charged with promoting prison contraband as well,

537
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:28.279
<v Speaker 1>after officers had found a shive in his possession, like

538
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:32.480
<v Speaker 1>in his cell, constructed out of a sharpened toothbrush. Brtal

539
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:35.759
<v Speaker 1>He had allegedly also written a letter to a friend

540
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:38.480
<v Speaker 1>that was found in a cell as well, where he

541
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:41.079
<v Speaker 1>bragged about knowing what it felt like to kill someone.

542
00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:45.960
<v Speaker 1>And the letter also actually explained his motive for the

543
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:47.000
<v Speaker 1>murder as well.

544
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and what was it?

545
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:52.880
<v Speaker 1>So? To quote it, it read he couldn't handle the

546
00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:55.799
<v Speaker 1>thought of her walking out of his life.

547
00:28:57.319 --> 00:28:58.519
<v Speaker 2>What a piece of shit?

548
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay.

549
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:05.559
<v Speaker 2>The fact that he's already planning shit in prison too

550
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:06.759
<v Speaker 2>is just so alarming.

551
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:09.680
<v Speaker 1>I know, it's totally fucked. He enjoyed the shit out

552
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:12.640
<v Speaker 1>of it, and he wants that glory for being a murderer.

553
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I kind of feel like it could if he

554
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:17.599
<v Speaker 2>doesn't remain in jail, there could be more.

555
00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:22.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which I'm gonna say this, he clearly has that

556
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:25.160
<v Speaker 1>glory for being a murderer at this point. He does.

557
00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:30.039
<v Speaker 1>It's undeniable. But that is the worst fucking fame you

558
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:30.400
<v Speaker 1>could ever.

559
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:32.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh, oh my gosh.

560
00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:34.200
<v Speaker 1>You're famous for all the wrong reasons. Not a soul

561
00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:36.480
<v Speaker 1>in his fucking planet likes you.

562
00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:38.519
<v Speaker 2>No, you're not respected whatsoever.

563
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:43.680
<v Speaker 1>No. I wonder if he even has visitors honestly.

564
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean maybe he's family, but just because they

565
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:49.759
<v Speaker 2>kind of feel obligated, right, yeah.

566
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Well because they're family.

567
00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Who knows that.

568
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:56.440
<v Speaker 1>But anyways, on February tenth of twenty twenty, Brandon changed

569
00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:59.799
<v Speaker 1>his plea to guilty, and on June second, tried to

570
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.839
<v Speaker 1>ages plea back to not guilty, but was rejected as

571
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:07.839
<v Speaker 1>he had already admitted his guilt in various different ways,

572
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:10.240
<v Speaker 1>like he had talked to officers and all this sort

573
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:12.000
<v Speaker 1>of stuff, and he's like, oh, yeah, I'm guilty, and

574
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:14.160
<v Speaker 1>there's the video like it was just they're just like, no,

575
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:16.240
<v Speaker 1>you're not changing your fucking plea.

576
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

577
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:21.200
<v Speaker 1>So on March sixteenth, twenty twenty one, Brandon Clark was

578
00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:25.519
<v Speaker 1>sentenced to twenty five years to life in prison.

579
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I mean that's probably the maximum, but gosh, I

580
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:32.359
<v Speaker 2>was so young though that it just it has to

581
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:34.880
<v Speaker 2>be more than twenty five years.

582
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:39.279
<v Speaker 1>I sure fucking hope it is. Now. Since her daughter's death,

583
00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Kimberly Devns was also dealing with an onslaught of graphic

584
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:47.160
<v Speaker 1>images of her daughter for years and I'm pretty sure

585
00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:50.839
<v Speaker 1>still is to this day. Many cruel people on the

586
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:53.960
<v Speaker 1>internet still circulate the images and have even sent them

587
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:57.400
<v Speaker 1>to Beyonca's family members out of sick and twisted humor.

588
00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:00.640
<v Speaker 2>Seriously, yes, they're kidding me.

589
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Why many of those people who are quote orbiters that

590
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:08.599
<v Speaker 1>Brandon was talking about find someone else to orbit now?

591
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Or also these quote in cells is another term for

592
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:16.279
<v Speaker 1>many of these type people who just thrive in this,

593
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Like these in cells are people that like they're guys

594
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:21.640
<v Speaker 1>who can't attract women in the real world, but then

595
00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:25.720
<v Speaker 1>they they orbit these women on social media platforms and

596
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:27.880
<v Speaker 1>then it's like when they get rejected, they just like

597
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:31.079
<v Speaker 1>hate on them like that sort of thing. And these

598
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:33.519
<v Speaker 1>sort of sick fucks are the ones that are doing this.

599
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:39.240
<v Speaker 2>There is just there's no excuse for anyone to be

600
00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:43.400
<v Speaker 2>sending anything like that to a anyone or the family, Like,

601
00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:47.960
<v Speaker 2>what kind of unbelievably disgusting piece of scum are you?

602
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I know, Biyonca's younger sister, Olivia, actually couldn't even facelogging

603
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:55.279
<v Speaker 1>into any social media platforms for over a year because

604
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:58.480
<v Speaker 1>she had this fear of like seeing more photos that

605
00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:02.039
<v Speaker 1>she could possibly come across every sister's brutal, fucking murder online.

606
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:04.839
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that is so beyond sad.

607
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:09.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Kimberly originally thought Brandon Clark was a quiet,

608
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:13.319
<v Speaker 1>nice man, but now she realizes who he truly was

609
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:16.279
<v Speaker 1>and being a part of this whole in cell community online,

610
00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:20.079
<v Speaker 1>so to quote her, there's definitely this toxic max sculinity

611
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:23.480
<v Speaker 1>where they believe they're entitled to women. And I really

612
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:26.799
<v Speaker 1>think Bianca stood for everything they hated. She was a

613
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:29.519
<v Speaker 1>strong woman, and I mean even the motive behind her

614
00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:32.640
<v Speaker 1>murder is if I can't have you, no one can.

615
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:37.359
<v Speaker 1>In the wake of the tragedy, the family and online

616
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:40.559
<v Speaker 1>supporters advocated for change that would prevent people from sharing

617
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:44.960
<v Speaker 1>violent or harmful footage on social media. On September twenty one,

618
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:49.480
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, the introduction of Bianca's Law was put in place,

619
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:52.519
<v Speaker 1>and in January of twenty twenty two, the New York

620
00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:57.000
<v Speaker 1>State passed the law, which criminalizes posting, sharing, or publishing

621
00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:01.759
<v Speaker 1>personal images with intent to degrade or views under certain circumstances.

622
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:05.839
<v Speaker 1>Beyonca's family would also create a scholarship in Beyanka's name

623
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:10.759
<v Speaker 1>for students pursuing psychology degrees. In July of twenty twenty one,

624
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:16.319
<v Speaker 1>Biyanka's family had actually sued the Oneita County District Attorney's

625
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:22.720
<v Speaker 1>Officer office sorry for distribution of child pornography. So allegedly

626
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:26.480
<v Speaker 1>they had learned from producers but documentary on Beyanca's story

627
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:30.119
<v Speaker 1>that they had received footage from the District Attorney's office

628
00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>of Bianca's death and of her having sex, along with

629
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:40.319
<v Speaker 1>other contents from her personal phone, which included nude photographs

630
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:40.960
<v Speaker 1>of Bianca.

631
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:42.720
<v Speaker 2>What the fuck?

632
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:47.240
<v Speaker 1>Beyonca was seventeen years old, which makes this distribution of

633
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:52.720
<v Speaker 1>child pornography. Allegedly a YouTuber was also given access to

634
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:57.079
<v Speaker 1>this in request response to the Freedom of Information Act.

635
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:01.599
<v Speaker 1>The lawsuit, however, has and it's been dismissed by courts,

636
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:04.400
<v Speaker 1>with the judge saying the state's open record laws could

637
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:08.079
<v Speaker 1>not be used to obtain child pornography from government agencies

638
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:09.719
<v Speaker 1>who prosecute offenders.

639
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, why on earth is anything from her phone being

640
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<v Speaker 2>put out there? I don't think that's actually okay, that's.

641
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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's why there was this lawsuit. But there was

642
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:22.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of like, there wasn't much said about this

643
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:27.039
<v Speaker 1>lawsuit once it was dismissed, basically the judge being like, yeah,

644
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<v Speaker 1>with laws, you can't obtain that from the governing agencies,

645
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:35.880
<v Speaker 1>like you're stating, But there's people saying.

646
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<v Speaker 2>That they did that.

647
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<v Speaker 1>They did Oh man, that I'm assuming the court is

648
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<v Speaker 1>saying they must have received it somewhere else. You can't

649
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<v Speaker 1>prove it you got from the government.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, of course they are. But the fact that this

651
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.599
<v Speaker 2>family is already dealing with so much shit, but they're

652
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:56.199
<v Speaker 2>still going about like creating scholarships and just trying to

653
00:34:56.199 --> 00:34:58.280
<v Speaker 2>remember her in the best of ways, But then they're

654
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:03.280
<v Speaker 2>also having to deal with this complete bullshit. Really that

655
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:05.920
<v Speaker 2>should never have been leaked or put out there at all.

656
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, and those photos are still out there today. I

657
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:13.079
<v Speaker 1>saw many of the photos in my research. I am

658
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<v Speaker 1>not going to tell you where how to access them

659
00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:17.360
<v Speaker 1>because I hope that they eventually get taken down and

660
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:19.960
<v Speaker 1>fade away and are never out there again.

661
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:26.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, I mean the Internet. Once something's up there,

662
00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:29.840
<v Speaker 2>though it kind of is up there, yep. Which is

663
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:34.199
<v Speaker 2>scary and disappointing and awful.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is. And it's scary to think how just

665
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<v Speaker 1>putting yourself out there like that, like like Bianc was

666
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:43.880
<v Speaker 1>doing and trusted, as you said, a friend, it just

667
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.119
<v Speaker 1>turned around and ended her own life.

668
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:51.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah wow, And she just like just ended this beautiful soul.

669
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<v Speaker 2>And who knows what she would have done with her life.

670
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<v Speaker 2>I bet you she would have just done like some

671
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<v Speaker 2>amazing things.

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly imagine that she would have continued with her

673
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<v Speaker 1>Instagram and continue with her education, and I have a

674
00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:06.199
<v Speaker 1>feeling she would have taken her knowledge of psychology and

675
00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:08.800
<v Speaker 1>started putting it out there in form of content helping people.

676
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<v Speaker 2>That's which would have been so amazing to have because

677
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:15.400
<v Speaker 2>look at how many people need like just feel there

678
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:18.480
<v Speaker 2>alone or would love to have help or guidance or

679
00:36:18.519 --> 00:36:19.519
<v Speaker 2>someone to look up to.

680
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<v Speaker 1>And I think she would have been someone who would

681
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:26.599
<v Speaker 1>have guided a lot of people, she disappointed, she had,

682
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:30.559
<v Speaker 1>the audience, she had, the people watching her. Yeah, and

683
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<v Speaker 1>I think, being the kind soul that she was, if

684
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<v Speaker 1>she had the education which she was going to get,

685
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.840
<v Speaker 1>she would have continued to help because at the very

686
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<v Speaker 1>beginning I said she was the kind of person who

687
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:44.320
<v Speaker 1>would offer advice or even just be someone to listen

688
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:47.239
<v Speaker 1>if you needed it. Yeah, So I know she would

689
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:47.679
<v Speaker 1>have done that.

690
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I also just can't stop thinking about the mom too.

691
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:54.840
<v Speaker 2>And she would have saw these photos and just like

692
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:59.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, would have just so hoped that they were

693
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:02.079
<v Speaker 2>fit ache. Yeah, but then couldn't get a hold of

694
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<v Speaker 2>her daughter. I just can't even imagine that kind of

695
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:08.320
<v Speaker 2>feeling her mom.

696
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<v Speaker 1>I know, I'm honestly torn about the idea on the

697
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:17.280
<v Speaker 1>suicide portion of this. I mean, of course, I don't

698
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:19.920
<v Speaker 1>want anyone to fucking end their own life, don't get

699
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:26.360
<v Speaker 1>me wrong, but sometimes people deserve things. Brandon deserves to

700
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:29.519
<v Speaker 1>be fucking shit on in life. I'm kind of glad

701
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:33.119
<v Speaker 1>he did survive so he can be fucking locked away,

702
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:35.639
<v Speaker 1>he can fucking rot, and he can know that the

703
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:39.920
<v Speaker 1>world fucking hates him. Because if he did end his life,

704
00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:43.280
<v Speaker 1>he would have got his way and I'm glad he

705
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:45.519
<v Speaker 1>didn't get his way at least in that aspect.

706
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but now I just feel like he's going to

707
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:50.719
<v Speaker 2>be Not that I like I would wanted him to

708
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:52.920
<v Speaker 2>have died either, but like he's just going to be

709
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:54.880
<v Speaker 2>in prison causing issues.

710
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:56.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, touche.

711
00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Right, he's already has a freakin toothbrush made into a

712
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:00.679
<v Speaker 2>knife of sorts. Yeah.

713
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:03.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a flip side to everything, that's for sure.

714
00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:06.440
<v Speaker 2>But maybe that'll just make him be in there for longer, right,

715
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:08.199
<v Speaker 2>which is definitely not a bad thing.

716
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So that's the story of Bianca Devins. And I'm

717
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:16.119
<v Speaker 1>not even going to repeat the dude's name again because

718
00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:17.679
<v Speaker 1>I do hope we all forget them.

719
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:20.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, I honestly cannot fucking remember his name.

720
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<v Speaker 1>Good good, don't he's a piece of shit, Yeah, the

721
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:26.760
<v Speaker 1>douche Canoe. We don't like him. You can fuck off.

722
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:29.639
<v Speaker 2>That's all we need to know, exactly. Yeah.

723
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, thank you so much for listening to this episode.

724
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:36.599
<v Speaker 1>Hopefully you guys enjoyed it. I mean, it's hard to

725
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:40.039
<v Speaker 1>enjoy stories like this at times, but we appreciate you

726
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:42.039
<v Speaker 1>being here. Nonetheless, if we want to check out any

727
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:44.119
<v Speaker 1>of our links, they're all in the description of the podcast.

728
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:47.599
<v Speaker 1>We have website, Instagram, Facebook, all the social media platforms

729
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:52.159
<v Speaker 1>where we don't want anyone to start getting weird on

730
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:55.519
<v Speaker 1>us and potentially wanting to, you know, do this situation.

731
00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:57.519
<v Speaker 1>But you can just go follow us and support us.

732
00:38:57.519 --> 00:38:58.159
<v Speaker 1>That'd be cool.

733
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<v Speaker 2>Gosh wow, Okay, I don't even know how to finish

734
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<v Speaker 2>that at.

735
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<v Speaker 1>All, do So. We just covered a case where a

736
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:13.119
<v Speaker 1>creator was attacked and we're creators. We don't want you

737
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:15.880
<v Speaker 1>to attack us, but you can go ahead and support us.

738
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:16.840
<v Speaker 1>That would be cool.

739
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<v Speaker 2>That would be amazing, That would be amazing. Well done

740
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<v Speaker 2>on this. I just have one follow up question. Is

741
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:24.639
<v Speaker 2>this like a pretty well known case?

742
00:39:24.679 --> 00:39:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Because I have not heard Yes, this is a relatively

743
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:30.840
<v Speaker 1>well known case, and it's fairly recent, only the last

744
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:31.280
<v Speaker 1>few years.

745
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:33.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's why I'm like, I'm surprised that I never

746
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:35.480
<v Speaker 2>heard of anything in the news about it or well.

747
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:37.960
<v Speaker 1>The reason why this one is quite well known is

748
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:42.079
<v Speaker 1>because well, the murder pictures were posted online.

749
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<v Speaker 2>Well, and she also had like quite a bit of

750
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:46.000
<v Speaker 2>a following and stuff too.

751
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:46.679
<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

752
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:49.480
<v Speaker 2>So okay, well well done.

753
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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Should I say it?

754
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what do you want?

755
00:39:57.199 --> 00:40:02.639
<v Speaker 1>To say that you're doing next weekisode. I just said it,

756
00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:03.760
<v Speaker 1>so it's happening now.

757
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<v Speaker 2>Wow, you just decided to do that just to set

758
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<v Speaker 2>me up.

759
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:08.639
<v Speaker 1>Bank you were supposed to do this.

760
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<v Speaker 2>I know, I've been shipping in the bed. I've just

761
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:13.519
<v Speaker 2>there's been a lot on the go.

762
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:17.320
<v Speaker 1>There has been, so I can't blame you. Your photography

763
00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:19.800
<v Speaker 1>has been doing incredible and you've been stupid busy with that.

764
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<v Speaker 1>So you do your thing, you still hear. I'll just

765
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:24.199
<v Speaker 1>keep pumping on episodes.

766
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:26.880
<v Speaker 2>If Nicole, the goal is for me to have it

767
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:33.400
<v Speaker 2>next done next week and it will most definitely probably

768
00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:34.039
<v Speaker 2>be a two parter.

769
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, there's a chance that I'm doing the next

770
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:40.920
<v Speaker 1>week's episode, but if I am, Nicole is definitely doing

771
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:44.199
<v Speaker 1>the following week. But she's probably doing this next.

772
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<v Speaker 2>Ba Akay, you know what, Just tune in and we'll

773
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<v Speaker 2>surprise you.

774
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:50.239
<v Speaker 1>She's doing an episode soon. Don't hold your breath on when.

775
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:55.719
<v Speaker 2>How's that so terrible? Anyway, thanks for being here, and

776
00:40:56.199 --> 00:40:57.840
<v Speaker 2>either way, we'll see you next week.

777
00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:02.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And until then I was pointing at you. First

778
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:02.880
<v Speaker 1>you said I.

779
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Set you up to say it, and then you just

780
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:07.480
<v Speaker 2>stay wicked.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go