WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:08.000 Hey, how's it going. 2 00:00:08.119 --> 00:00:11.119 I'm Nicole and I'm Ben, and you're listening to Wicked 3 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:11.839 and Grim, a. 4 00:00:11.880 --> 00:00:13.119 True gram podcast. 5 00:00:14.800 --> 00:00:20.440 Warning. The following podcast contains graphic content and material intend 6 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:43.399 more mature audience. The listener discretion is it. Do you 7 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:43.759 have drinks? 8 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:45.719 The ready totally do? 9 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:46.960 Clink clink. 10 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:48.960 It was a last minute decision for me to get 11 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:50.079 a drink. I don't know why. 12 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:53.000 It should never be a last minute decision. It should 13 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:55.520 just be an always decision to have a drink, especially 14 00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:58.240 when we're podcasting. I know, is it Wicked and Grim 15 00:00:58.280 --> 00:00:59.000 without a drink? 16 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:01.560 No? I was like literally just sitting here, kind of 17 00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:03.520 being born with a glass of water, and I was like, 18 00:01:03.560 --> 00:01:04.480 what the hell am I doing? 19 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:07.879 Yeah, gotta get I gotta drink, Gotta get the sip. 20 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:10.680 Out, so smearing off ice again. 21 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:15.680 Yeah, I've got me some iced tea and whiskey, or 22 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:18.400 I guess for our southern friends, because we've got lots 23 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:22.200 of those, all of y'all. It's sweet tea and whiskey. 24 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:25.680 Oh sweet tea, yeah, because it's it's but our iced 25 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:27.519 tea in there. It's different though. 26 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:30.680 Yeah, they're sweet tea is our iced tea and their 27 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:34.680 iced tea is like our legit iced tea with like 28 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:35.200 no sugar. 29 00:01:35.239 --> 00:01:38.319 It's just right, okay. That's I'm like, I'm confused because 30 00:01:38.319 --> 00:01:41.920 I've gone and I ordered iced tea and like I'm like, 31 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:43.079 this isn't what I wanted. 32 00:01:43.879 --> 00:01:45.439 Yeah, it's a little bit different. 33 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:48.359 I would be okay with it now probably, but when 34 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:50.719 I was younger it wasn't. But now I really like tea, 35 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:53.680 it would probably be fine. Yeah, but back then I 36 00:01:53.719 --> 00:01:55.519 was like what it was. I don't know if I 37 00:01:55.519 --> 00:01:56.079 can drink it. 38 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:58.760 That sweet tea is definitely a little bit better in 39 00:01:58.799 --> 00:01:59.760 my opinion. 40 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:01.359 Yeah, but it's probably not as good for you. 41 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:05.840 Touche go one. What is good for us? Though? What 42 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:07.799 the bomb we are dropping? 43 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:09.800 We have a few bombs we do. 44 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:11.759 Let's start with the big bomb. 45 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:12.599 Are we ready for this? 46 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:14.360 It's the f bomb? Fuck no, it's not. 47 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:19.879 It's a cast a cast. What's a cast? 48 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:22.439 A cast is when you're fishing and you throw out 49 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:23.919 the line into the water. It's a cast. 50 00:02:24.080 --> 00:02:25.400 Okay, But it. 51 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:29.639 Is also a podcasting network that we have officially been 52 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:33.560 signed with, So you guys, because of all you amazing 53 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:36.400 people out there, we are officially a signed. 54 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:40.840 Podcast which is wild. It's crazy because we've been doing 55 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:42.719 this for only seven. 56 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:43.639 Months, I think something like that. 57 00:02:43.719 --> 00:02:46.719 Yeah, and like never in our wildest dreams did we 58 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:49.120 think that we have would have come this far. 59 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:52.319 No yet, I mean we hoped, yeah, like maybe like. 60 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:56.680 Maybe like three years. Oh, I guess we have different three. 61 00:02:56.159 --> 00:02:59.199 To five years. It would like maybe one day, like 62 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:01.400 we could have some sponsors or something. 63 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:01.719 Yeah. 64 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:04.960 Like here we are seven months later and we're hooking 65 00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:06.719 up with acasts and they're going to hook us up 66 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:09.599 with things like sponsors and all that sort of stuff. 67 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:11.400 And it's all because of you guys. So we are 68 00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:13.759 moving forward with some incredible stuff right now. 69 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:17.000 Yeah, because our Wicked Ingram family is dope. Yeah, it 70 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:20.439 is like I'm not biased, not at all, and I'm 71 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:21.639 like obsessed with you guys. 72 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:25.199 It's you guys are pretty fucking cool. Thank you, Thanks, 73 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:28.919 thank you guys. So what's going to happen? Basically, we're 74 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:31.680 going to get some sponsors on board. We're also going 75 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:34.599 to be able to work with other podcasts on the network. 76 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:37.719 The network is going to help us maybe improve our 77 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:40.319 analytics because most of you guys are listening on Spotify. 78 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:43.680 I think only like three percent of Our listeners are iTunes. 79 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:45.800 Which is Apple Apple Podcasts. 80 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:49.520 Apple Podcasts used to be iTunes, which is crazy because 81 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:51.400 they're another big player in the game. So they're going 82 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:54.199 to help us try and get more people from that 83 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:57.360 platform listening. So it's going to be a good all 84 00:03:57.360 --> 00:03:58.039 around thing. 85 00:03:58.719 --> 00:03:59.400 I'm excited. 86 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:01.479 And we're also going to be doing something else alongside that. 87 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:02.800 What is it Patreon? 88 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:04.360 Yeah, we're Patreon. 89 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:06.319 We're going to get it like, look at us, go here, 90 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:09.039 It's like, what the hell are we we're doing? 91 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:14.319 Ye expect that coming down the pipe. Patreon is going 92 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:16.439 to be uh up and ready for you guys. Whoever 93 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:18.160 wants to sign up, maybe get some free behind the 94 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:22.000 scene content logs. I don't know, extra episodes, whatever, it 95 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:22.480 may be. 96 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:24.839 Lots of shit. Really, I have tons of ideas. I 97 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:25.279 can't wait. 98 00:04:25.439 --> 00:04:26.199 It's going to be awesome. 99 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:29.279 It's going to be freaking dope. It's going to be wicked, 100 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:33.879 wicked like the wickedly lily wickedest that is. 101 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:40.199 That's the word of the day, wickedly latelist smooth. 102 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:47.040 Yeah. And then we also are finishing off a documentary. 103 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:49.639 We are right the Highway of Tears. It's it's called 104 00:04:49.759 --> 00:04:50.519 Why We cry. 105 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:53.759 It's a sad title, it is, but it's a good title, 106 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:54.199 it is. 107 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:57.439 But the entire point of it is you and I 108 00:04:57.480 --> 00:05:00.560 live in Prince George, British Columbia, which is the head 109 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:04.360 of the Highway of Tears leading what is it north 110 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:06.879 east west? Okay west? I had to do my never 111 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:08.399 each Okay. 112 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:10.160 I was just doing that too, or never eat what 113 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:11.079 is a soggy wiener? 114 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:12.199 So that one's perverted. 115 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:14.439 I don't like that one. Yeah, that's great. 116 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:18.360 Heads over to west, the west coast and it ends 117 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:22.000 up in Prince Rupert. There is a long stretch of 118 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:24.600 highway where many women have gone missing over the course 119 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:27.639 of the last few all couple decades, a lot of 120 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:31.800 indigenous women, yea. And we as residents of this area 121 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:35.240 don't know much about it, and I. 122 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:36.160 Kind of is not good. 123 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:38.360 It's not and I want to beg that question. Why 124 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:40.439 don't we know more? So that's kind of what we 125 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:42.800 explore in this documentary. And we are wrapping up filming 126 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:45.120 really quick here and we're in the editing process. We're 127 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:47.480 already our bit, but a little more to go. So 128 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:49.439 that's coming down the pipe real soon. 129 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:51.680 For you guys. Yeah, I can't wait for it to 130 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:54.959 air and like just to myself watch it too and 131 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:57.680 just have it see it all come together. That's really exciting. 132 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:00.800 It is. But we can't just aired on our own 133 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:03.360 because we are going through tell Us with that we 134 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:06.600 are we got a grant through grant Yeah, yeah, so 135 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:09.319 we have to deliver it to tell us. They will 136 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:11.319 put it out and so we have to wait for 137 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:13.720 them and they're okay for us to show it to 138 00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:15.040 you guys, but it will happen soon. 139 00:06:15.240 --> 00:06:17.839 So yeah, and even if it's not through us, it 140 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:19.839 will be out there. I'll tell you at some point. 141 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:22.839 I assume as it's available, we'll let you guys know exactly. 142 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:26.920 Yeah. And then on a personal note, just tiny little 143 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:29.959 personal meulta next, everyone's always like it is about a 144 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:34.240 tiny thing. Everyone's always asking about a tiny home. And 145 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:37.519 so we have the week off this week and we're 146 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:39.600 so we're slowly actual already. 147 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:41.279 Moving shit into it slowly. 148 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:43.319 But that's kind of what I wanted to do. Yes, 149 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:45.560 I want it to be slow. Hopefully we'll have a 150 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:48.399 garage sale this weekend, so if you want to buy. 151 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:53.560 Our ship stuff on buy We've got some bowls. 152 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:56.079 So oh, we got a lot more than just bowls 153 00:06:56.120 --> 00:06:56.600 all day. 154 00:06:56.639 --> 00:06:58.839 Yeah, we've got some margarita glasses. 155 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:01.240 Oh yeah, because we're going to just drink at a Mason 156 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:04.120 jars be like hipsters. Is that a hipster thing? I 157 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:04.759 feel like it is. 158 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:08.079 Well, I think technically originally it was like a redneck 159 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:11.319 hillbilly thing, or like originally because like drinking in the 160 00:07:11.360 --> 00:07:14.360 moonshine the jars and stuff. Right, Oh okay, it was 161 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:15.240 a moonshiner thing. 162 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:18.279 Are we he'll redneck hillbillies? 163 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:20.720 I do think we have some moonshine in our cupveroed 164 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:21.160 right now. 165 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:23.920 Or maybe like a tiny bit that. Yeah, I don't know. 166 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:25.160 I think we're redneck. 167 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:26.319 Yeah. 168 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:29.199 What else we sell? Maybe a husky or two? Oh yeah, 169 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:31.079 if you want to buy a rip lea stop. 170 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:33.920 Are actually for sale or just for free, we'll pay you. 171 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:36.439 If you want to take a dog, we will give 172 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:37.639 you money to take one. 173 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:39.839 Okay, this is all jokes. We're obsessed with our dogs. 174 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:42.040 I think people probably know that. Yeah, but yeah, they're 175 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:43.759 not for sale. But yeah, we're gonna have a groageo 176 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:46.040 this weekend. So yeah, I wanted to move into the 177 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:48.480 tiny home slowly, and we kind of are. But I 178 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:51.240 think there's gonna be like a crunch time where it's like, yeah, well. 179 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:53.480 That the official dates moving in on us. We only 180 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:55.720 have a couple of weeks left, so yeah, we got 181 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:57.680 some stuff to get done on the tiny home and 182 00:07:57.720 --> 00:07:59.439 the move, but we'll be in there sooner and later. 183 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:02.839 Yeah, it's it's sweet and you'all asking for tiny home updates. 184 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:03.680 We just threw that in there. 185 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:06.120 Who whoa, whoa Did you just say y'all? 186 00:08:06.199 --> 00:08:09.240 I actually do say y'all sometimes I think in conversation, 187 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:12.000 don't I I don't know, Well, I'm starting it now. 188 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:12.560 Wow. 189 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:15.879 And I also say a a lot or hey. 190 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:20.079 Hey a hey, I say a lot when I'm swearing 191 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:22.560 a lot. 192 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:25.959 Don't we even say a lot differently too? 193 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:29.040 About that's what you're thinking? We say about weird. 194 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:31.319 I don't know. There's other things. 195 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:32.519 We're Canadian. That's all I know. 196 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:34.759 That's all. Yeah, that's all we know. That's all we know. 197 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:35.840 That's all. We're here for. 198 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:38.080 What we are going to do, though. We're going to 199 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:40.840 slow this intro down because well, maybe not slow down, 200 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:42.639 we're going to speed it up. Okay, there we go, 201 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:45.159 because we got to get into this case. This is 202 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:48.039 oh my god, a crazy case. 203 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:49.360 I'm almost nervous. 204 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:52.480 I have not done this much research on a case 205 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:54.679 since the very first episode. 206 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:55.519 Do Out Look Past Real. 207 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:00.759 It is, oh my god, so much out there on this, 208 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:04.279 and it trying to weed through all the information because 209 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:06.600 a really big thing I noticed when researching I'm not 210 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:09.399 sure if you've noticed the same. When we're researching a case, 211 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:12.639 Google usually pops up with like the first few pages 212 00:09:12.679 --> 00:09:17.919 of Google is generally recent news articles, which just skim 213 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:21.879 over the information and it's very bland the same thing. 214 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:25.399 So trying to find that deep information can be hard 215 00:09:25.399 --> 00:09:27.799 sometimes unless you go like Reddit or something like that. 216 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:30.919 But and this was the case with this, And even 217 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:34.000 when you do find some deeper ones, they're not all 218 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:37.200 correlating the same because it's like, okay, between this date 219 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:40.440 and this date this stuff happened, It's like, okay, that's 220 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:43.679 like a three four year gap, So when were these 221 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:45.879 things and what exactly was that? So you find another 222 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:49.200 one that says the date on this incident, and another 223 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:51.279 website that says a date on this incident, and you're 224 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:53.720 trying to file all these things together. So that's kind 225 00:09:53.720 --> 00:09:57.399 of what I found with this, and holy hell, is 226 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:01.240 a lot. And I'm impressed with you guys Instagram because 227 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:04.480 you managed to guess it once again. I thought I 228 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:05.200 was gonna fool you. 229 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:07.879 Oh, just expect that they'll get it. They're awesome. 230 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:09.879 I am expecting they're going to get it. But I'm 231 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:12.039 hoping that I'll google them. 232 00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:13.639 There's just a small bit of hope in there. 233 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:15.480 Hey, well, I think we went like twelve minutes and 234 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:16.879 I was like, no one's got it yet. 235 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:20.240 Yes, oh my gosh, well minutes. It's nothing. 236 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:24.240 I know. I know my hopes are up though. Regardless 237 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:30.279 though this is the case of Annalise Michelle, which inspired 238 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:36.039 the movie The Exorcism of Emily Rose. 239 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:38.679 Which we just watched. We did just watch it, so 240 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:41.240 I feel like I know a little bit about this 241 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:43.000 case because lot of times you leave me in the 242 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:47.679 dark and I'm legitimately learning everything just as you guys 243 00:10:47.720 --> 00:10:48.120 all are. 244 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:50.720 You're a little bit of a ahead of the game. 245 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:52.480 This time, I am a little bit by a lot 246 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:54.039 of people probably watched that movie. 247 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:56.559 Too, Yes, And what I found really interesting about this 248 00:10:56.639 --> 00:10:59.120 movie is there's a lot of of course, you know, 249 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:01.759 movie magic scripted stuff, but there was a lot of 250 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:04.519 like small details they had in there that were very 251 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:07.159 on point when I was watching it, like, very on 252 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:07.960 point key. 253 00:11:08.039 --> 00:11:10.759 But I was also asking you questions all day and 254 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:13.000 you weren't answering them, And now I can't remember any 255 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:14.840 of those questions. Hopefully they get answered. 256 00:11:14.919 --> 00:11:17.120 You did know some extra information, but I didn't tell 257 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:17.559 you all of it. 258 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:18.360 No, you didn't. 259 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:21.440 So let's let's go head down into the case of 260 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:28.200 Analise Michelle so Anna Elizabeth Michelle or Annalise Mitchell. I 261 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:30.440 think it's because she's German, so I think it's like Mitchell, 262 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:32.840 but most people just say Michelle. 263 00:11:32.879 --> 00:11:33.559 So okay. 264 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:38.399 So Annalise was born September twenty first, nineteen fifty two. 265 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:40.519 Okay, ka got it. 266 00:11:42.159 --> 00:11:45.120 This took place in West Germany, So she's German, like 267 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:48.240 I said, And she was born into a strict Catholic family. 268 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:54.679 Annalisee's parents, Anna and Joseph Mitchell, were deeply religious, and 269 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:58.960 before Annalise was born, her mother became quote unquote disgraced 270 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:03.720 by giving birth to an illegitimate child. Truth that means 271 00:12:04.480 --> 00:12:04.879 I don't know. 272 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:09.200 Actually in here, illegitimate means like was she not married 273 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:09.879 or something. 274 00:12:10.039 --> 00:12:12.879 Yeah, so it's having a kid before marriage. Oh, okay, 275 00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:15.360 so a legitimate child is birthed in marriage. 276 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:18.480 Oh okay, I see, and then back in that day 277 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:20.480 in the nineteen fifties is probably even. 278 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:26.200 More strict whatever, right, a strict Catholic family. So yeah, 279 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:29.519 So anyway, she gave birth to a baby girl named 280 00:12:29.679 --> 00:12:36.159 Martha hold On. Okay, yes, so, and as punishment for 281 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:39.559 her sin, Anna had to actually wear a black veil 282 00:12:39.639 --> 00:12:43.559 on her wedding day. This is like how hardcore this 283 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:45.840 family is and how religious they are. 284 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:47.200 So I've never heard of that. 285 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:48.639 Yeah, that's pretty intense. 286 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:54.080 That's like wild, right and like kind of brutal. Yeah. 287 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:56.120 I don't even know what to say. I've never heard 288 00:12:56.159 --> 00:12:57.480 of that. That is so intense. 289 00:12:57.679 --> 00:12:59.080 If I were he, I would have just showed up 290 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:00.519 in an entirely black yes. 291 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:03.200 Yeah, that was literally what was going through my head. Yeah, like, 292 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:05.679 fuck you all, just the whole thing black. 293 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:06.879 Fuck Yeah. 294 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:09.639 Yeah. But then I don't know what would her next 295 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:11.399 punishment be. You gotta be careful, yes. 296 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:17.600 Yeah, no kidding. Well, anyways, her first legitimate daughter was Annalise. 297 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:22.360 She was born, and Anna became began to slowly and 298 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:28.159 steadily impose the idea of Annalise needing to be like 299 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:30.360 this perfect child upon her sort of thing. 300 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:33.360 Can I ask a question already? Sorry? Yes, okay, but 301 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:36.320 that first kid of theirs, yes it was. It's like 302 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:40.039 the same mom and dad as the second kid, right, yes, okay, just. 303 00:13:40.440 --> 00:13:41.879 To make sure it was before. 304 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:42.480 That, it was just before they're married. 305 00:13:42.519 --> 00:13:47.360 Okay, yeah, ok So Martha actually ended up dying of 306 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:50.480 kidney failure in nineteen fifty six at the age of 307 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:51.440 only eight years old. 308 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:55.679 Oh gosh, that's awful, right, like shitty. 309 00:13:56.039 --> 00:13:59.360 So after that, Anna became even more sort of in 310 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:03.279 her attempts to push Analyse into religious practices, demanding that 311 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:05.799 she attend mass twice a week and keep her at 312 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:10.200 a very close like like close proximity to her so 313 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:12.480 she could always be watching her like a very much 314 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:15.120 so like a helicopter mom and today's standard sort of thing. 315 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:16.000 Mm hm. 316 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:19.440 So it was like always like Analyse had to be 317 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:25.759 perfect in every aspect of Anna's vision. Okay, okay, got that. 318 00:14:25.759 --> 00:14:27.080 That's a lot to live up to. 319 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:31.840 Probably, so while Analyse was in her teens, she even 320 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:35.480 slept on bare stone floor quote unquote, suffering for the 321 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:39.799 sins of homeless, homeless drug addicts and others damned souls 322 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:42.600 this is how hardcore she pushed her. 323 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:44.480 Wow. Wow. 324 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:48.120 So even despite all these pushings and everything, Analse did 325 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:50.799 enjoy school, and she was described as happy and well 326 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:55.240 liked by her teachers and excelled at languages. But in 327 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:58.840 September of nineteen sixty eight, when she was sixteen, she 328 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:02.240 blacked out in clas and went into an epileptic seizure. 329 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:05.799 According to classmates, she seemed to go into like a 330 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:09.960 trance like state for a few minutes, which really, I mean, 331 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.360 that's kind of typical of seizures. I mean, can you 332 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:15.600 imagine a person who's having a seizure and they're not 333 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:18.080 in like a translate state, they're very like conscious, Like 334 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:18.840 that's not normal. 335 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:21.440 Okay, yeah, but it's like why did she have that? Okay? 336 00:15:21.720 --> 00:15:26.159 Yeah, Well, anyways, that night she woke up with a 337 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:29.600 heavy feeling on her body. It was feeling like something 338 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:31.840 was pressing down on her on her chest when she 339 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:35.200 was sleeping in bed, felt like she was being pinned down, 340 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:39.480 and it was also reported that she uncontrollably wet the 341 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:43.519 bed from this incidentt Oh jeez, so pretty heavy stuff, 342 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:46.600 especially for a sixteen year old. Yeah, I can imagine 343 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:48.480 if I felt something like that pressing down on me 344 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:49.159 in the middle of the night. 345 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:52.679 I'd piss myself just saying, well, yeah, you'd be scared. 346 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:55.799 I'd probably shit myself scared shitless. 347 00:15:56.879 --> 00:15:59.360 Okay, so you're a little bit worse than Anneli's aura. 348 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:01.039 That's a lot. 349 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:04.279 I mean, it is terrifying. Yeah, and it seems to 350 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:09.320 me a lot like what's being described here is sleep prolysis. Okay, 351 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:12.919 So like you're you're kind of like wide awake, but 352 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:14.440 you can't move. You're paralyzed. 353 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:17.480 Okay, so it could feel like something was kind of 354 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:18.360 on you because you. 355 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:21.759 Can move and you're having these muscle contractions from potential seizure. 356 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:24.039 So it could feel like a very heavy presence or 357 00:16:24.080 --> 00:16:26.639 something pushing on your chest. That's what it seems like, 358 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:29.039 and medically, that's what a lot of people generally explain 359 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:31.919 these things as when it comes to this case. Okay, however, 360 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:35.159 we are talking about what influenced a movie called The 361 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:40.320 Exorcism of Emily Rose. So there's also the other obvious 362 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:42.200 end of the spectrum of the argument. 363 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:44.120 I have to toss that movie out of my head, though, 364 00:16:44.279 --> 00:16:45.360 is that right away I was like, what do you 365 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:50.120 mean choose that college, so I got to get rid 366 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:50.399 of that. 367 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:54.639 Yeah, it's not entirely Yeah. Like I said, there's some 368 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:57.240 details that are spot on, but the movie itself not 369 00:16:57.279 --> 00:16:57.559 so much. 370 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:00.799 Yeah, exactly, now where did I go? 371 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:03.200 Okay? So she didn't go to school the next day. 372 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:06.160 She wasn't feeling well and she needed to regain her strength, 373 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:10.200 so she stayed home and her parents monitored her. She 374 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:13.200 quickly recovered and her family decided that she was fine 375 00:17:13.519 --> 00:17:17.559 as there was no further incidents. Okay, that is until 376 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:20.640 eleven months later, in August of nineteen sixty nine. 377 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:22.000 Oh that's a big gap. 378 00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:26.240 It is something similar happened and Analyse was taken to 379 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:30.480 a doctor. She was diagnosed with psychosis caused by a 380 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:35.519 temporal lobe epilepsy, and shortly thereafter she was diagnosed with depression, 381 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:41.640 which was treated by a psychiatric hospital. Okay, so doctor, again, 382 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:43.480 these are German names, so I'm gonna try my best. 383 00:17:44.119 --> 00:17:50.119 Vogued vogt vogged fogged. Maybe I'm gonna say vogged Okay, 384 00:17:50.200 --> 00:17:54.079 doctor Vogged. The family physician was consulted and after examining 385 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:56.799 a lease, doctor Vogg couldn't find anything wrong with her, 386 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:00.000 so he referred her to a new neurologist named doctor 387 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:05.400 Sigfried Louthy. Now Doctor Luthy found nothing his initial examination, 388 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:10.880 so he ended up ordering an EEG on the twenty 389 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:14.119 seventh of August nineteen sixty nine. And an EEG is 390 00:18:14.119 --> 00:18:17.599 a test that detects electroactivity in your brain using small 391 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:19.720 electrodes that attached to your scalp. So it's basically like 392 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:20.359 a brain scan. 393 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:25.880 Okay, so if okay, sorry, if she has these things, 394 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:27.200 it's going to detect. 395 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:31.920 It should However, the EEG didn't find anything either. It 396 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:33.759 showed completely normal results. 397 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:37.039 Hmmmm, So the doct trust the. 398 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:42.599 Doctor believed Anne Elise was experiencing Grand Mau seizures, and 399 00:18:42.680 --> 00:18:46.039 since she only had two events, there was no necessarily 400 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:49.799 any reason for her to have medicine prescribed to her. Okay, 401 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:52.680