1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,919 Speaker 1: What is up, fellas it goes? I am Dan Valley 2 00:00:07,919 --> 00:00:11,080 coming at you with the one, the only, this certified man, 3 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,519 fabulous co host of the Hardwoodknock podcast, mister Grant Hugh's 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,800 trade deadline primers. They keep on rolling out. We are 5 00:00:18,839 --> 00:00:24,000 onto the Detroit Pistons, who are among mining Grant's most 6 00:00:24,039 --> 00:00:26,920 fascinating teams heading into the trade deadline. A lot of 7 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,800 stuff to get to about them. But before we get started, Grant, 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:32,079 how the heck are you doing? 9 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 2: Happy to be here and recording bright and early. This 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,679 is the earliest time we've ever recorded. I think by 11 00:00:37,799 --> 00:00:41,600 at least a couple hours, so I feel fresh. I'm 12 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,960 a morning person at the older I've gotten How are 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:44,520 you feeling? 14 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: Have you ever recorded? I'm feeling great. 15 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: Three hours later for you, so congratulating. 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,799 Speaker 1: I went to the gym and trained legs and got 17 00:00:51,799 --> 00:00:54,280 a compliment while I've got some dude's number while I 18 00:00:54,359 --> 00:00:57,439 was there. Really big morning for Dan over here. So 19 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,359 seven am, is that the earliest you've ever recorded a podcast? Yes? 20 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: Gotta be gotta be, because I don't I don't know 21 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,000 if you know this. I don't go around recording podcasts 22 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,680 with just everybody, So it's you would have some information, 23 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:09,560 you would know if I had recorded earlier. 24 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: That makes me one feel incredibly special, but too, the 25 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,799 earliest podcast I've ever did, and I did it from 26 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,000 a phone. I was at a bachelor party in Vegas 27 00:01:19,599 --> 00:01:22,439 and for some reason I said yes, and it ended 28 00:01:22,519 --> 00:01:24,760 up being four in the morning, Vegas time. Then I 29 00:01:24,799 --> 00:01:27,400 went on and did this like thirty minute. I hadn't 30 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,480 slept at that time. I was yeah, I was probable, 31 00:01:31,519 --> 00:01:33,879 but I hadn't like slept slept and we were out 32 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,200 partying the night before, so it wasn't just like and 33 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,879 that was probably the stupidest time that I and the earliest, 34 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,120 and I hopefully was that the latest at that point 35 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,120 four in the morning. That's sketchy, is it is hard 36 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:46,920 to statch you've ever recorded the early. 37 00:01:46,879 --> 00:01:49,239 Speaker 2: Does the audio of that exist someplace? Because I would 38 00:01:49,239 --> 00:01:50,640 personally really like to hear. 39 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: That it was about. I could tell you the team 40 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,920 it was about. It was a Pelicans podcast I do 41 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,879 not know, and it was not hosted by Schermitt Dowitt 42 00:01:58,879 --> 00:02:00,480 at the time, so I have no idea who's And 43 00:02:00,519 --> 00:02:03,040 it was like a yeah, it was by phone too, 44 00:02:03,079 --> 00:02:04,719 so I wasn't on video because that would have been 45 00:02:04,719 --> 00:02:05,280 a disaster. 46 00:02:05,719 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: When I used to do more radio stuff, I definitely 47 00:02:08,319 --> 00:02:11,240 had said yes the things and then realized later, oh, no, 48 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,719 this is Eastern time, and so maybe somewhere out there 49 00:02:14,479 --> 00:02:17,719 is like a fifteen minute radio hit that I'm sure 50 00:02:17,759 --> 00:02:22,639 is not recorded anywhere. That was a stupidly early hour 51 00:02:22,759 --> 00:02:24,560 or late. Sometimes I went the other way and just 52 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,560 wasn't paying attention to what time it was. 53 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: Well, that just means that you're more likely to say 54 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,759 something in sandiary. So I favor it, and I think 55 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:34,759 that's a good time to get to the Detroit Pistons 56 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,400 vitals grant. They are about nineteen million dollars beneath the tax, 57 00:02:38,479 --> 00:02:41,280 which is kind of absurd when you consider their first 58 00:02:41,319 --> 00:02:43,439 in the Eastern Conference. But just of note, because we're 59 00:02:43,479 --> 00:02:45,919 going to get into some stuff that impacts their future. 60 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,759 They're about seventy point three million dollars beneath next year's tax. Now, 61 00:02:49,759 --> 00:02:51,759 that does imply they have cap space, but this doesn't 62 00:02:51,759 --> 00:02:55,280 include contracts for restricted free agents to be Jallen Duran 63 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,199 or Jade and Ivy, and so I think those decisions 64 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,159 hang over some of what they might do with the 65 00:02:59,159 --> 00:03:01,919 trade deadline. They control all of their own first round 66 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,439 picks moving forward, and they do have a Dennis Shrewder 67 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,800 trade exception fourteen point one million dollars, so they have 68 00:03:09,439 --> 00:03:12,719 room beneath attacks to just take a fourteen point one 69 00:03:12,759 --> 00:03:15,159 million dollar or cheaper player back and just send out 70 00:03:15,159 --> 00:03:19,080 whatever draft compensation or something also something to monitor. Why 71 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,800 don't we start here? Do you think that the impact 72 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:26,960 of paydays for Duran and a SAR moving forward will 73 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,840 factor into how the Detroit is going to be, how 74 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:33,080 aggressive they are at the trade deadline, or who they 75 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,280 go after, what they're willing to spend on a player. 76 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,319 Speaker 2: I mean, doesn't it kind of seem like they that 77 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,439 factor is already at play because all of the messaging 78 00:03:42,479 --> 00:03:45,879 from the Pistons. I'll get the verbiage wrong, but it 79 00:03:46,599 --> 00:03:50,520 consistently it's been will be opportunistic, but not necessarily aggressive. 80 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:55,120 They don't basically just like signaling, don't expect a whole lot, 81 00:03:55,159 --> 00:03:57,919 which given where they are in the East, given some 82 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:03,080 fairly clear needs that we'll get into it. I get it, 83 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,240 like you want to be conservative, but I'm not sure 84 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,759 that they would neces be quite this, at least outwardly. Uh, 85 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,159 hesitant to make a big swing if not for the 86 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,759 reality that, like, well, Jalen Duran has kind of played 87 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,360 himself into a much bigger contract than maybe we thought 88 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:21,639 he was gonna be able to get, and just down 89 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:24,160 down the line with some of their recent lottery picks, 90 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,240 Like it's kind of like Houston was in that position 91 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,120 very recently where it's like, oh, okay, well we're gonna 92 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,079 have a guy or two every year that the extension 93 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,319 is gonna come to or restrictive free agency is coming. 94 00:04:34,319 --> 00:04:36,800 So I think it's a factor, don't you, Because otherwise 95 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,160 wouldn't you be at least again outwardly, who knows, Maybe 96 00:04:40,199 --> 00:04:43,399 you're just posturing, maybe whatever, But like it does seem 97 00:04:43,439 --> 00:04:47,680 like aggression would be warranted in these circumstances in most cases. 98 00:04:48,639 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: I would agree with you. I'm just wondering if that's 99 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,160 the Is that the wrong call for them to make 100 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,439 because of how good they are right now? And I 101 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,360 think when you look at I'm not worried about what 102 00:04:58,439 --> 00:05:00,439 Jade and Ivey's gonna make in his next content. I'm 103 00:05:00,439 --> 00:05:02,160 still I don't know whether that contract is gonna be 104 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,759 coming from the Pistons at this point. But the Duran 105 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:09,959 and Asr Thompson paydays specifically, I understand the concern, but 106 00:05:10,079 --> 00:05:13,319 also we're kind of entering this phase to where Houston 107 00:05:13,439 --> 00:05:16,800 another good example. They've negotiated with all of their restricted 108 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,519 free agents, including Shane Gooon I think is the biggest one, 109 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,600 and then maybe we'll see that with Amen Thompson this year. Well, 110 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,879 he's not a restricted free agent, it's an extension. They 111 00:05:24,959 --> 00:05:29,120 negotiated with those guys. Where Shane Goon probably could have 112 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:31,120 been considered a MAX player at the time, it didn't 113 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,160 get max money. And I know that Duran is different 114 00:05:34,439 --> 00:05:37,319 because he's going to be a restricted free agent. We've 115 00:05:37,319 --> 00:05:40,199 said this a trillion times on the podcast. No one's 116 00:05:40,199 --> 00:05:42,680 giving out restricted free agent offer sheets right now now, 117 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,160 the Lakers having cap space looming, Okay, sure, but if 118 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,319 you're just worried about paying these two guys, I do 119 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,920 feel like one or both of them are gonna come 120 00:05:51,959 --> 00:05:55,319 in south of the max. And also, you could time 121 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,560 it to be kind of aggressive and say, well, there's 122 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,879 a there's an expensive player coming off the books in 123 00:06:00,879 --> 00:06:02,839 two years, and so just as we get mega expensive, 124 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,600 that's when we could reorient. And so when I asked 125 00:06:05,639 --> 00:06:09,759 the question of how aggressive should they be. I think 126 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,800 they should be ultra aggressive, but I also do I 127 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,759 wanted to ask you, do you think there's a case though, 128 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:19,399 so those let's save the Asar Thompson extension, Jalen Duran's 129 00:06:19,439 --> 00:06:22,480 restricted free agency aside. Could you also make the case though, 130 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,560 and say, well, they're this year's thunder, so to speak, 131 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,480 like pre Hartenstein to where it was they want to see. 132 00:06:29,519 --> 00:06:32,680 We've already seen this Pistons team in the playoffs, but like, 133 00:06:32,879 --> 00:06:35,279 let's just see how far the development gets. We're already 134 00:06:35,319 --> 00:06:37,800 top of the conference. If it doesn't work out, we're 135 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:39,720 still gonna have all this flexibility over the off season, 136 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,639 all these assets over the off season, and that's when 137 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:42,120 we strike. 138 00:06:42,759 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, the counter to that, and the idea that I 139 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:51,199 think informs my my what would be my strategy, is 140 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,399 that you're first in the East. Everyone can't shut up 141 00:06:55,439 --> 00:06:57,959 about how wide open the conference is, which is one 142 00:06:57,959 --> 00:07:00,120 of those things people say, but actually I think in 143 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,720 this case it's pretty true, just because Cleveland and the 144 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:07,120 Knicks have both had significant struggles. The Knicks are ongoing 145 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,199 at the moment as we're recording this, and there's just 146 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,160 not a league team. There's not a there's right yeah, 147 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,199 there's full of league team, so so you So what 148 00:07:16,199 --> 00:07:18,160 I would, and I brought this up with other teams before, 149 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:19,800 is like how much better do you really need to 150 00:07:19,839 --> 00:07:22,720 see yourself get before you decide like we should probably go, 151 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,199 you know, like if you're first in the conference. I 152 00:07:25,199 --> 00:07:28,040 think by that that doesn't mean like active rationally or 153 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,959 like make some risky, stupid swing. But it's like, maybe 154 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:36,879 let's flip the words of opportunistic and aggressive and like 155 00:07:36,959 --> 00:07:39,800 let's just be aggressive because you have clear needs. I 156 00:07:40,319 --> 00:07:43,079 think what your point about the restricted free agency stuff 157 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,680 is like maybe those impending contracts and extensions shouldn't be 158 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,360 as big of a hindrance on like real active deadline behavior, 159 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,800 because like, I think you're absolutely like the Pistons when 160 00:07:55,839 --> 00:07:57,839 negotiating with dr and are going to point to Shangoun 161 00:07:57,879 --> 00:08:00,720 and be like he's been an all star, he got 162 00:08:00,839 --> 00:08:03,279 like show me the market that says you're worth more 163 00:08:03,319 --> 00:08:05,279 than that, you know, so I think they will have 164 00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:08,199 a lot of leverage. I think they should be in 165 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,680 the dock. When next to the question of how aggressive 166 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:15,160 should they be, my answer is quite like I think 167 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,920 like substantially aggressive. I don't know what word exactly you 168 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,639 want to use, But right, shouldn't they be like maybe 169 00:08:21,639 --> 00:08:24,040 we could dovetail this into some of the needs that 170 00:08:24,079 --> 00:08:27,199 are like, yeah, it's clear what they got to go get, 171 00:08:27,279 --> 00:08:29,959 Like the defense is great, they get a ton of 172 00:08:29,959 --> 00:08:32,720 offensive rebounds, they get to the foul lie. Their offense 173 00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:35,320 is still nineteenth in the half court because they can't 174 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,240 shoot and they turn it over too much. So like, 175 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,600 there's your needs, go address those. Isn't that like the 176 00:08:40,639 --> 00:08:44,039 simplest way to go forward as we get to the deadline. 177 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's it can be a separate convers 178 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,200 I agree the biggest needs are there, and I think 179 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,120 you could also make the case for like how do 180 00:08:50,159 --> 00:08:52,480 you fix that half court offense? Is it could you 181 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,960 just get shooting? Or does it need to be another 182 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,720 secondary ball handler? Is it someone who does both? Is 183 00:08:57,759 --> 00:08:59,960 this two separate trades that they would need to make. 184 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,519 And so I think the mistake by them would be 185 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,480 to decide like we're not going to do anything. We 186 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,039 think that we're just a finished product. The conversation to 187 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,200 be had is how do we go about dressing those needs. 188 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,480 Is it we're going to be more focused on throwing 189 00:09:12,519 --> 00:09:16,480 out some draft compensation or just utilizing that Dennis Shruder 190 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,279 traded player exception, or it's we're willing to throw X 191 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:22,200 number of first round picks on the table because we 192 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,080 identified this guy. 193 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 2: I think the Houston parallels continue here, and I just 194 00:09:29,639 --> 00:09:32,600 think back to how we talked about the Rockets over 195 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,360 the last couple of years, where it's like, you know, 196 00:09:35,919 --> 00:09:38,480 we would say, if they want to get in on 197 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,279 player X, like look at the young prospects and pick 198 00:09:42,279 --> 00:09:44,720 equity and all this other stuff and the matching salary 199 00:09:44,799 --> 00:09:47,639 that they have, like they should get in on a 200 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,159 big swing, right, And they went and got Kevin Durant 201 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,480 and it costs way less than anyone thought it would, 202 00:09:52,759 --> 00:09:55,679 just because the circumstances were what they were. But the 203 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,519 more we talk about the Pistons, the more I see 204 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,480 the parallels, and the more it's seems like, yeah, even 205 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:04,159 the needs are similar, like they they need, you know, 206 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,559 the Rockets went and god Durant and don't don't the 207 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,039 Pistons need not necessarily a guy that's like ten to 208 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,399 twelve years older than everyone else in their core, but 209 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:17,879 someone like an offensive shot creator, shot finisher, like that 210 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,759 kind of half court offensive weapon. So I get the 211 00:10:22,799 --> 00:10:25,600 temptation to be like, we can go get a rotation 212 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,879 caliber player and fit him into that shrewder trade exception. 213 00:10:30,159 --> 00:10:33,240 I think I'm more inclined to skip the half measure. 214 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,799 I'm more inclined to say, you've got the you've got 215 00:10:36,799 --> 00:10:41,399 the assets, you've got some expiring salary, basically just talking 216 00:10:41,399 --> 00:10:42,360 about Tobias Harris. 217 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,159 Speaker 1: Uh but that but you know. 218 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,799 Speaker 2: Sure that those are the deals that would have to 219 00:10:47,799 --> 00:10:51,360 go contracts would have to go out. But I I 220 00:10:51,519 --> 00:10:53,399 don't think. I think at this level, which is to 221 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,919 say first in the conference, have some real championship caliber 222 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,440 traits in the defense, in the toughness, in the kid Cunningham, Like, 223 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,799 isn't it maybe time to just like I don't know, 224 00:11:04,919 --> 00:11:07,240 I'm not trying to be like provocative about it, but like, 225 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:08,639 isn't it what are you waiting for? 226 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: I do the market needs to yield the name where 227 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,039 it would be worth while? And so maybe that's thea 228 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,240 that would be the problem for them. I did want 229 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,919 to ask them before we get into targets and trades, 230 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,600 where are you at with it? Let's say they do 231 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,360 have to send out salary in all, like, let's say 232 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,840 it is a bigger move, how do you feel about like, 233 00:11:29,879 --> 00:11:32,120 if they have to trade Tobias Harris, do they need 234 00:11:32,159 --> 00:11:35,279 to make sure that the player they're acquiring is also 235 00:11:35,799 --> 00:11:38,080 a combo forward or a combo wing because a lot 236 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,000 of what we're describing is going to be easiest to 237 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,759 address if you're willing to acquire a guard. Do you 238 00:11:42,759 --> 00:11:46,000 think that they have the depth if it caught Tobias 239 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:49,000 Harris specifically where it's, oh, we're giving him up and 240 00:11:49,039 --> 00:11:51,159 we have this guard that's coming in who could play 241 00:11:51,159 --> 00:11:53,080 alongside kid. That's great, and we do have if we 242 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,840 want to play Joe and Dern and Isaiah Stewart together, 243 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,600 like we can slide to sar Thompson or Ron Holland 244 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,559 into the for Javonte Greens. But one of the better 245 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,720 minimum signings from this past summer, or do you look 246 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,639 at this team and say that could get especially come 247 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,559 playoff time. Does that get a little rickety? 248 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think it does get a little rickety if 249 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,440 you don't replace Harris with someone that plays that position. 250 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,759 But it's just way better. And that's not to say 251 00:12:17,799 --> 00:12:23,159 you can't also and again I'm preaching ambition, like you 252 00:12:23,159 --> 00:12:25,879 could also then turn around and use that trade exception 253 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,799 for a guard right like that you can go point. 254 00:12:28,879 --> 00:12:32,440 I mean, that's that's that's a pretty all in approach. 255 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:37,080 But I don't think the move is address the shooting 256 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,559 and playmaking with another backcourt player or even like a 257 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,840 smaller wing, because it's like I want, if I can 258 00:12:43,879 --> 00:12:47,399 do it, I want one of their great defensive wings 259 00:12:47,399 --> 00:12:50,720 slash talking about Holland and Thompson mainly, but even Jontay 260 00:12:50,759 --> 00:12:53,879 Green has kind of been like a defensive revelation this year, 261 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,679 Like I want those guys playing on the wings, and 262 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,759 I want more shooting at the the conventional four spot, 263 00:13:02,399 --> 00:13:05,480 and I think, yeah, another guard would be great, but like, 264 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,440 I don't. I think it's gotta be a Harris upgrade. 265 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,919 And then speaking like positionally too, don't don't you because 266 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,200 I don't know what adding like a Kobe White, for example, 267 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,080 would help. That's one of the people we'll talk about 268 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,639 because it's the trade deadline and his name's coming up 269 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:20,200 for every team. 270 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: Let's talk about it, splitting, splitting the baby trade targets grant. 271 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,720 How about that, right, that's Kobe White slides into that 272 00:13:27,759 --> 00:13:30,919 traded player exception. But what you're described, what you're describing 273 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,559 almost feels like, oh, this is a team then that 274 00:13:33,639 --> 00:13:36,879 should maybe be looking to make multiple trades, which feels 275 00:13:36,919 --> 00:13:38,519 weird to say, because if you you could upgrade the 276 00:13:38,519 --> 00:13:40,919 Tobias Harris spot, but if you go out and get 277 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,240 one of the bigger names that are out there, none 278 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,639 of them are really juicing your playmaking. And so I 279 00:13:46,639 --> 00:13:51,200 guess what you could say is, well, we trust Kate Cunningham, 280 00:13:51,639 --> 00:13:54,679 We trust Asar Thompson, Like we we have these high 281 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,519 IQ guys on the perimeter who will kind of paper 282 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,919 over any of those issues. So I don't know if 283 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,840 that you know, like how much weight that needs to carry, 284 00:14:05,039 --> 00:14:08,519 But like I just look at the workload that even 285 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,960 with you know, having Donnish Jenkins in the rotation, Like, 286 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,399 like the the burden of playmaking that's on Ky Cunningham 287 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:16,960 right now is just so insane. 288 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,159 Speaker 2: Well, hasn't it been the case throughout most of his 289 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:25,039 career that one of we would clamor for a shooter 290 00:14:25,279 --> 00:14:27,159 or like a even it could be an off ball 291 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,360 threat that would ease that playmaking burden just because of 292 00:14:30,399 --> 00:14:33,039 the attention that that player is commanding. Like, you know, 293 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,799 I think we both are in the in the we 294 00:14:35,879 --> 00:14:38,519 both agree that like it'd be nice to have a 295 00:14:38,679 --> 00:14:42,120 knockdown a shooter that plays the four and another playmaker. 296 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,120 But I do think the knock on effect of at 297 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,120 like just I'm jumping way ahead, but if you got 298 00:14:48,159 --> 00:14:50,440 like an all star caliber four that could make threes 299 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,200 and would command a ton of defensive attention off the ball, 300 00:14:53,559 --> 00:14:56,279 I think playmaking gets easier just because that guy's out 301 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,200 there and defenses care more about him than Tobias Harris 302 00:14:59,279 --> 00:15:03,600 or whoever you are, or Duncan Robinson. Even so, like, yes, 303 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,279 you want to address both sides of the shooting and playmaking. 304 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,879 I don't know deficiencies, but I do think you get 305 00:15:11,879 --> 00:15:14,039 a lot of mileage out of just one as long 306 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,159 as that one is like a pretty high end scorer 307 00:15:16,159 --> 00:15:17,240 that replaces Harris. 308 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,159 Speaker 1: So what would be that before getting into the splashier targets, 309 00:15:21,159 --> 00:15:22,519 What would be some of the names that would spring 310 00:15:22,559 --> 00:15:25,080 to mind where either perhaps it's you're not just you 311 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,399 could fit them into the traded player exception so that 312 00:15:27,519 --> 00:15:30,519 fourteen point one million dollar cut off. Are there any 313 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,399 names that kind of spring to mind to wear because 314 00:15:32,759 --> 00:15:35,600 I don't know if this really qualifies as a it's 315 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,440 a need, but they have all these talented wing players 316 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,519 aside from if you want to consider Kate Cunningham's a 317 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:45,039 playmaking wing or like a point forward, they don't have 318 00:15:45,399 --> 00:15:48,279 someone that you trust as a shooter and a defender 319 00:15:48,559 --> 00:15:51,799 other than Kate Cunningham on this roster. They're like maybe 320 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,440 on some Knights Tobias Harris or maybe on some Knights 321 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,159 Javonte Green, but that's really it. 322 00:15:56,679 --> 00:15:59,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, those players are easier to find, well, I mean 323 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,039 easier to acquire one because they're not sending out a 324 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:05,120 million picks, but easier to find at that position too, 325 00:16:05,159 --> 00:16:08,200 because if you get up to the Tobias Harris sized players, 326 00:16:08,519 --> 00:16:11,440 it's hard to find like a good defender who can shoot. 327 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,120 Those guys are max are close to MAX level guys. 328 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,240 So on the wing or backcourt. You mentioned Kobe White, 329 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,080 I think that's a pretty intuitive fit. No problem getting 330 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,039 him into the Shrewder exception. I know you've got a list, 331 00:16:23,039 --> 00:16:24,480 but I and so I don't want to step on 332 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,480 too many of them. I will just say Kean Ellis 333 00:16:28,559 --> 00:16:32,440 is like, yeah, he makes sense fits everywhere. Also, like 334 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,799 if you're kind of trying to do the Orlando Desmond 335 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,320 Bane thinking of like he needs to do the stuff 336 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,759 that we already value, which is defend. Like that's true 337 00:16:40,799 --> 00:16:43,320 of the Pistons. Kean Ellis can guard, He's very disruptive, 338 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,600 and he's gonna make threes. I had a couple like, 339 00:16:45,639 --> 00:16:48,679 what about now Benedict Matherin. I don't know if he's gettable, 340 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,320 but maybe the Pacers are kind of like not interested 341 00:16:51,399 --> 00:16:53,480 in dealing with restricted free agency. 342 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,039 Speaker 1: So Detroit just has j and Ivey durn and Ben 343 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,120 mcmathn all headed into restricted free agency. 344 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:02,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, just like who cares because Matherin, say what you want, Like, 345 00:17:02,559 --> 00:17:05,759 that guy's gonna generate shots for himself and maybe that's 346 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,200 helpful to a Piston team that could use some of that. 347 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,680 I think Max Christie is a name that I thought of, 348 00:17:12,039 --> 00:17:14,359 just like I want someone that's gonna be a five 349 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,440 alarm fire as a corner three point guy and has 350 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,920 positional size. Why Dallas wants to move him into a 351 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,119 trade exception, I don't know, but that that's the player type. 352 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,279 I know. You've got some other names that I also 353 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:27,440 very much agree with. 354 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: I thought about this is does not address any of 355 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,599 their highest end needs. But Moses Moody if the Warriors 356 00:17:34,599 --> 00:17:37,440 are making some part of a bigger deal and Moses 357 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,799 Moody sending out I don't know what his standalone value is. 358 00:17:39,799 --> 00:17:42,079 Is the Pistons get him for seconds and just coming 359 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,240 to the traded player exception, I think that's someone who 360 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,799 could space the floor and give you and I think 361 00:17:47,839 --> 00:17:50,559 his defense becomes looks much better on a team that 362 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:55,319 already has Sar Thompson and Ron holland Javonte Green for them. 363 00:17:56,319 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean that you might get into a 364 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,000 lot will depend on his shooting, and it comes and goes, 365 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,079 and I think, you know, I do like that. I 366 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:06,680 was gonna try to talk myself out of it, but 367 00:18:06,759 --> 00:18:09,039 like I do think defenses take him seriously, which is 368 00:18:09,079 --> 00:18:11,240 kind of the threshold that you're you're hoping for, like 369 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:13,960 because they don't take Thompson or Holland or even really 370 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,119 Green and sometimes seriously from three. 371 00:18:16,559 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: I don't know what Memphis appetite would be for discussing 372 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,039 this player. And it's not such a coward, but like 373 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,119 Cam Spencer would make a ton of sense on this team. 374 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,440 The playmaking that he's shown in Memphis. He's not a 375 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,200 great defender, but he he has like an Fu physicality 376 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,680 to him on that end, and he shoots the hell 377 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,119 out of the ball, so he could play alongside Kid. 378 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,160 At that point, you're kind of saying he's super cheap too. 379 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,559 Moving forward, at that point, you're kind of saying, we've 380 00:18:42,599 --> 00:18:44,680 made our decision on Jade and Ivy. It feels like 381 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,720 though not that you couldn't have both of them on 382 00:18:46,759 --> 00:18:48,759 the same team, but that's why it's also if you 383 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:51,319 go with the Kobe White route too, he's also going 384 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,839 to be a free agent. It does set like the 385 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,240 table for these days is Jade and Ivy going out 386 00:18:56,519 --> 00:18:58,480 and a deal like that. So like that's where that 387 00:18:58,519 --> 00:18:59,319 gets a little weird. 388 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking this guy comes up all the 389 00:19:03,079 --> 00:19:05,599 time now, which is funny. He's not available, but like 390 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,160 a calling Gillespie just thinking of guys that are like 391 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:13,279 just just mean defenders that also shoot and playmake like 392 00:19:13,799 --> 00:19:17,039 you know, he he lacks the side. I just feel 393 00:19:17,039 --> 00:19:20,720 like he kind of like Spencer like attitude wise, fits 394 00:19:20,759 --> 00:19:23,279 like what the Pistons would want in addition to like, yeah, 395 00:19:23,279 --> 00:19:25,960 he's a great shooter and can make plays just enough, 396 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,119 he's not available. I know you had I want to 397 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,279 hear the Austin Reeves discussion out of you because he's 398 00:19:32,279 --> 00:19:33,200 on the dock here. 399 00:19:33,319 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: It's funny just because so he's technically a splashier target, 400 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,000 but he fits into the TP And so it's if 401 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,400 the Lakers don't want to pay him, and I don't 402 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:44,960 I think they do want to pay him. But if 403 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,440 they think he's going to get the max or near 404 00:19:47,519 --> 00:19:50,359 max this summer, And you just threw picks of the Lakers, 405 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,000 who only have one tradeable pick right now though three 406 00:19:53,039 --> 00:19:54,480 over the summer. If they all of a sudden have 407 00:19:54,599 --> 00:19:58,440 like five or something to trade, what are they do? 408 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,839 They become a Giannis team at that point. So then 409 00:20:00,839 --> 00:20:03,599 did you indirectly contribute to Giannis ending up with the Lakers? Okay, 410 00:20:03,599 --> 00:20:06,440 then that's like a different story. But he would do 411 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,759 you like? His fit here is just like the off 412 00:20:08,799 --> 00:20:11,440 ball movement in addition to the ball handling and the playmaking. 413 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,920 And he's not we could we named a worst defender 414 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,119 and Kobe White for them, which would be another example. 415 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,960 So he's not a good defender, but he'd be fine here. 416 00:20:20,319 --> 00:20:22,839 But that runs into the same issue when you're talking 417 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,319 about Kobe White. Is so now Austin Reeves is about 418 00:20:25,319 --> 00:20:27,839 to get paid, and then you have Jalen Duran getting paid. 419 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,279 I'm comfortable saying like, yeah, I'll keep Boston Reeves over 420 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,119 Jade and Ivy. That's fine with me. Bold do you 421 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,279 want to know? My boldest take is, and this just 422 00:20:36,319 --> 00:20:38,799 comes with the caveat that I'm notoriously low on j 423 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,559 and Ivy. He's dealt with a ton of injuries over 424 00:20:40,559 --> 00:20:43,240 the years. I would rather have Camp Spencer on my 425 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,519 team than Jade and Ivy if I'm the Pistons at this. 426 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 2: Point, I don't think that's no. I don't think that's 427 00:20:48,079 --> 00:20:51,920 that bold, just because, like, as we're talking about this team, 428 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,119 a lot of the things we want the Pistons to have, 429 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,880 Jade and Ivy was supposed to provide, and that's been 430 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,720 the case for a long now. The injury is just like, 431 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,480 come on, relax a little bit, like, you know, give 432 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,920 the guy a break. That that is a factor, Like 433 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,920 it's not just the broken leg. He also has had 434 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,480 knee surgery like not that long. So I don't know 435 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,279 what you want him to be. But I find myself 436 00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:16,519 thinking the same thing of like I I could understand 437 00:21:16,559 --> 00:21:18,759 the Pistons being hesitant to trade him just because they 438 00:21:18,759 --> 00:21:22,960 could very credibly say to themselves like, we just don't 439 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,039 know yet still like we have he hasn't had like 440 00:21:26,039 --> 00:21:27,880 we've seen flashes of the shooting. I don't know if 441 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,359 the defense is ever gonna get there, but like, this 442 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,400 is a great defensive team, so maybe not all five 443 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,119 guys on the floor have to be just lights out defensively. 444 00:21:38,319 --> 00:21:41,720 Spencer just weirdly does Spencer does feel like more of 445 00:21:41,759 --> 00:21:44,200 a I know what I'm getting from him, even though 446 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,119 his track record is so much shorter. Is that like 447 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,160 part of the reason you're into him over Ivy? 448 00:21:49,759 --> 00:21:55,799 Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I also just I value connector scalable types, 449 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,599 and Jade and Ivy may have I mean, what is 450 00:21:58,599 --> 00:22:00,559 he shooting like eighteen percent from three something crazy s 451 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,000 until over the past month, but the Key has proven 452 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,079 a little bit more scalable on the offensive end. But 453 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,279 Cam Spencer, I just think fills in more gaps and 454 00:22:09,319 --> 00:22:11,759 you can count on him being a universal fit. And 455 00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:14,400 then there's also maybe it's not like this, but that 456 00:22:14,519 --> 00:22:17,160 contract he's got like three years and eight million dollars 457 00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:18,880 left on it or something stupid. 458 00:22:19,319 --> 00:22:21,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think that I like that name. I 459 00:22:22,319 --> 00:22:24,880 look and look, so we've got some pretty good names 460 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,799 here and this is just the like these are the 461 00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:29,079 these are the like worst swinging for singles type of 462 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,279 names for the Pistons. 463 00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: Well, the what's interesting here is like kind of what 464 00:22:33,759 --> 00:22:35,839 they did with Dennis Shruder last year? Is there any 465 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,920 one have we already named them? I don't think that 466 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,079 we have. And I was trying to think of who's 467 00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:42,440 that player that could help them that a team just 468 00:22:42,519 --> 00:22:45,599 really doesn't want or value and you just trade them 469 00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:48,759 to the Pistons because look, the trade exception doesn't expire 470 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,599 until July, so like they don't they can sit on it. 471 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,079 But and they could also use if they prefer. I'm 472 00:22:54,079 --> 00:22:55,720 sure they might even prefer to move carsle Burt and 473 00:22:55,799 --> 00:22:58,680 keep the trade exception into the summer. But I was 474 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,400 just wondering, if you have the opportunity to add a 475 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,359 player for basically nothing, you're not giving up anything out 476 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,519 of your rotation. I didn't necessarily spot that opportunity off 477 00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:09,400 rip for them this year, no. 478 00:23:09,559 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 2: I Well, when you said a player that nobody wants, 479 00:23:13,799 --> 00:23:16,160 D'Angel Russell was the very first name that came to mind, 480 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,920 I said, helpful though, that's the problem. But yeah, just 481 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,680 in the shrewder vein that was the first first the 482 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,480 first guy that popped into my head. Yeah, it's not 483 00:23:27,559 --> 00:23:30,079 easy to get a shrewd like shrewder last year was 484 00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:33,119 like was good for like mattered for stretches of that 485 00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:34,200 of that run. 486 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: As like even just having someone like him, And it's 487 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,599 not I'm not saying Denis Shruder is a terrible player, 488 00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:42,279 but to alleviate the ball handling workload from Caide became 489 00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:43,480 this revelation. 490 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 2: Right, well, you know what, like, isn't Karris Lavert also 491 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,559 supposed to do this? Like is he like Jade and 492 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,680 Ivy where it's just like guys, like the players were describing. 493 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,440 That's kind of you what's going on? 494 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: I'm eating my words. On the Karros Lavert signing, I 495 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,519 was pretty I thought that was going to be excellent for. 496 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 2: The Piston's sensing theory. It still makes sensing theory, it's 497 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,319 just in practice it hasn't. He hasn't done what they needed. 498 00:24:05,599 --> 00:24:07,759 Speaker 1: This doesn't check the ball handling box. My guess would 499 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:09,839 be that one they won't do this unto if they did, 500 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,480 they're not gonna send them to a conference rival. But 501 00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:15,319 the Calves are just they're still weird. They've gotten better. 502 00:24:16,039 --> 00:24:18,160 What if they What if Dan Gilbert's looking to slash 503 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,319 and we know they're not going to get out of 504 00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:22,519 the second April. Dean Wade would be fantastic on this team. 505 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:23,039 Mm hmm. 506 00:24:23,599 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 2: I mean he would do a lot of the Harris 507 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,680 stuff just way cheaper. 508 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,599 Speaker 1: Uh better defensively, better defender. 509 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one he who's is there a bigger hipster 510 00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:38,279 like you know, who's good guy than Dean Wade? He's 511 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:43,279 way up there. Pat Spencer, that's occasional, one time NBA starter, 512 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,920 Pat Spencer who just hasn't played basket Santos. 513 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep naming Warriors on cheap deals. 514 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,799 Speaker 2: There was another guy that I forgot now maybe it 515 00:24:50,839 --> 00:24:53,440 was Paul Reid. I feel Paul Reid. He's on the Pistons. 516 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:54,759 They got they already got their hipster. 517 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, we got it. There needs to be that'll be 518 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,839 a have to be a stat padding segment is who 519 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,599 is the like you know ball all all you know 520 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,799 ball team to where if you say this guy is 521 00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:07,400 good as oh, you really pay attention to the NBA. 522 00:25:07,839 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 2: Or you you read you read a lot of people's 523 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,440 takes that pay attention to the NBA and you've adopted those. 524 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: Let's talk bigger splashes I think that's what everyone If 525 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,880 that's it seems like you're if any of these guys 526 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,319 were discussing and we decide our good I fits are available, 527 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,799 it seems like we're both. You're there more than I am. 528 00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:28,200 Where it's just the Piston should go out and get them. Basically, 529 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,640 what like with within reason, you're not gonna go you 530 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,799 only have five first round pick like whatever. But the name, 531 00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:37,839 my favorite name for this team is close to splitting 532 00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:41,880 the baby, but he's expensive in salary. I love Michael 533 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,559 Porter Junior for the Pistons. Now, oh yeah, yeah, that's 534 00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:46,400 like and that's the one two years left on it 535 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,599 are one more year after this on his contract, so 536 00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:51,480 he comes off the books and we'll probably get cheaper 537 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,720 if we're being honest, after that at a time when oh, 538 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,400 we're worried about paying Duran, Kate and Asar at the 539 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,319 same time, I think that's my favorite. My favorite target 540 00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:03,720 for them would be Trey Murphy, I really, especially because 541 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,400 he's so cheap when he's already averages what like eighteen 542 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,960 percent of the salary cap. But if I was trying 543 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,359 to think, it doesn't seem as if the Pelicans are 544 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,279 willing to move him, Or if I'm the Pistons and 545 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,440 it's I can give up a first round pick in 546 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,880 one of my lower level young players in salary to 547 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,160 get Michael Porter Junior. I probably prefer that route to 548 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,640 giving up three first round picks and a young player 549 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,920 for Trey Murphy. I think, yeah. 550 00:26:28,079 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 2: Or the more the even marketing of it all like 551 00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:36,559 that's going to cost you. I would imagine that costs 552 00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:39,440 you more than Porter Junior. I don't know if I 553 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,920 wonder if Murphy, because of the youth and the cost, 554 00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:46,240 might actually require more going out than marken In. Would 555 00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:47,160 we could do it. 556 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 1: I think he would, especially because he's not on the 557 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,960 same levels what's happening with what happened with Trey, what happened, 558 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,240 what's happening with John Morant. But it does seem though 559 00:26:58,279 --> 00:27:01,440 that NBA teams are kind of re thinking how they value. 560 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,680 Remember we used to ask can you max out your 561 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,640 third best player? And now it feels like we're asking 562 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,319 that question about someone who is going could maybe be 563 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:14,240 your second best player, and marketing falls into that bucket 564 00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:16,279 for me. I think the difference with him, though I 565 00:27:16,319 --> 00:27:18,799 still think Tramer of he gets more, is that Utah 566 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,519 just isn't going to move him unless they get a 567 00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:21,400 godfather offer. 568 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 2: Right. Well, that's the way that the Pelicans aren't even 569 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,640 posturing that way. They're just saying like we're not trading anybody, 570 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,359 which is like what we need to do a couple 571 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,599 of minutes on that, like gotta keep the gang together. 572 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,079 Things are going so great. 573 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: I do love that. I find it a shout out 574 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,960 to if any team actually called about Derek Queen though, 575 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,960 because in that report from Quissedes that they've been telling 576 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,640 teams they won't trade Derek Queen, and it just read 577 00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:47,079 like Joe Dumarsh was planning on taking a vacation and 578 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,720 sent out the PSA. It's like, we're just not gonna 579 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:50,640 be open for business. 580 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,799 Speaker 2: It's out of office email that Repelicans just sent that 581 00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:55,799 out and just like don't bother because we're not going 582 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,720 to answer. It's not because we're not interested. It's like 583 00:27:57,759 --> 00:28:00,599 we're real sleepy. We'd like to go take a break 584 00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:03,599 for a couple of weeks. Yeah, no, are there any 585 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,839 other I'm trying to think of some other We do 586 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,799 have a few other bigger names. We've said the biggest 587 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,440 names though, I think that are reasonably like doable in 588 00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:13,200 marking and Murphy and MPJ. 589 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,039 Speaker 1: Do you like Jaron Jackson Junior for this team? 590 00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 2: I like Jaron Jackson Junior for any team. 591 00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: I would if you're talking about the teams that need 592 00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:27,759 rebounding and guys who don't foul. Uh, you know, it. 593 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 2: Depends on how good your infrastructure is on those Yeah, right, Uh, 594 00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:36,440 Pistons don't need well. Actually, the Pistons need someone that's 595 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,720 not gonna foul and there's there is your answer, because 596 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,400 they foul too much. So Jaron Jackson Jr. That's also 597 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,599 perfectly he's he's their guy. 598 00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:47,559 Speaker 1: That's part of their Jared Jackson Junior does it in 599 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,160 more of a boneheaded way. But the Pistons, it's it's 600 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,039 almost like the thunder esque ethos of they're not gonna 601 00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:57,559 call everything, and so the compromise will be will rank 602 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,880 bottom five or whatever they currently are and foul foul ray. 603 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,240 But it allows us to play physical defense because they're 604 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,400 not going to call everything. So Jared Jackson works. 605 00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:09,279 Speaker 2: It works for the teams to try it so far. 606 00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:12,359 Speaker 1: I think Jared Jackson Junior's type of fouls though, would 607 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,480 probably anger them. But well, yeah, do you think he's 608 00:29:16,599 --> 00:29:19,599 enough of a scorer because it's just more asked me 609 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,680 this when we were recording about I don't even know 610 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,160 which team it was, but he asked, where has Jared 611 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,960 Jackson new year gotten better? And now if this was 612 00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:31,599 last year, it felt like as an ISO scorer, he's 613 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,240 improved a lot, but even that has been doesn't look 614 00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:37,079 the same this year. And even as he was improving 615 00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:39,720 as an ISO score, did you ever trust Jared Jackson 616 00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:42,119 Junior cooking off the dribble? And so I think if 617 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,000 you're the Pistons, he's not giving you the playmaking element. 618 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,720 His floor spacing come and goes. But he's a floor 619 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,039 spacer for sure, So you can count as that if 620 00:29:50,039 --> 00:29:52,839 you don't trust that he I mean that he is 621 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,759 going to be more of a self sufficient scorer and 622 00:29:55,839 --> 00:30:02,160 put pressure on defenses and consistently score efficiently in those situations. 623 00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:05,480 I find myself going, well, I think I'd rather have 624 00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:08,480 Michael Porter Junior, who by the way, is in the 625 00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:11,240 ninety fourth percentile self created shot making officialcy. 626 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:17,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I take your point. I think, like doesn't some 627 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,759 part of you want to excuse some of the lack 628 00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:24,640 of progress from Jaron Jackson this year by just citing 629 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,160 the offseason surgery. By citing memphisis is kind of a mess, 630 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,839 Like I mean, no, you could keep well, you could 631 00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:34,119 counter and say like also, like his whole career has 632 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,480 been defined by like a skill that shows up one 633 00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:38,559 year and disappears the next, So like, how do you 634 00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:40,519 count on him? Like, how do you know what version 635 00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:48,440 you're getting? I think it's easier for me to imagine him. Well, 636 00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:51,240 I don't know, but Porter Junior has been like he's 637 00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:53,480 been a key piece on a title winner. So it's 638 00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:55,200 kind of I was gonna say, I can imagine Jared 639 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,480 Jackson Junior being like he's on the floor at the 640 00:30:57,559 --> 00:30:59,640 end of a finals game, but like Porter Junior has 641 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,359 done that, he rests on defense. Mostly. 642 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: To me, he's sort of like the inverse of Karl 643 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,279 Anthony Towns, but with more insulated pr because I just 644 00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:14,200 think that he's a maddeningly frustrating player to watch and 645 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:19,160 can be so inconsistent. You know, he can do certain things, 646 00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:23,640 but when he does piece them together, it's ephemeral or 647 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,640 there's an extended stretch and then it disappears. And so 648 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,039 it's like with Karl Anthony Towns being wildly consistent on 649 00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:31,319 the offensive end, and it's oh, he held up in 650 00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:33,880 a switching defensive scheme and now all of a sudden 651 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,920 he decided he doesn't wanted the fanderies falling down on 652 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,359 the floor and watching plays from whatever. I like, i'm' 653 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,799 I love Jared jack and on this team, I think 654 00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:48,240 he'd be insulated, like there's nothing he's He's fantastic defensively 655 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,440 and the rebounding and fouling issues wouldn't be a problem here. 656 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,079 But the offensive stuff, I think it actually could be 657 00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:55,960 a little louder than we might be giving credit just 658 00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:59,319 because outside of Cade that if we're sitting here and saying, 659 00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:01,519 after you acquired R. Jackson Junior, like yeah, like Jalen 660 00:32:01,559 --> 00:32:04,680 Duran's our second best self creator, that's still an issue. 661 00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fair. I guess the question then 662 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,640 is like, because look, Jackson is someone that has been 663 00:32:11,759 --> 00:32:14,160 on the very very short list for Defensive Player of 664 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,079 the Year what like three different seasons. Uh yeah, So, like, 665 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,319 are the gains on that end enough to offset the 666 00:32:22,319 --> 00:32:28,039 the like I don't know, the lost potential offensively between 667 00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:31,200 him and Markenen or MPJ or whoever you want to list, 668 00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:34,400 Like the answer might be yeah, because then you're just 669 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,519 then you're an OKC level defense or something close to it, right, 670 00:32:37,559 --> 00:32:40,119 Like if you add him with Aran, he plays with 671 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,359 Durnan and Stewart, and you've got all these giant wings 672 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,880 that guard. Like, But if we're talking about addressing needs 673 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,039 I get I think you could credibly make the case 674 00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:51,039 that like Porter Junior or Marken or Murphy just do 675 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,960 that better. If we just want more shooting and spacing. 676 00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:56,480 I don't think you can argue that Jaron Jackson Junior 677 00:32:56,519 --> 00:32:59,559 is like a safer bet on those fronts than any 678 00:32:59,599 --> 00:32:59,839 of those. 679 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,839 Speaker 1: But do you think so, even aside from the fit, 680 00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:06,240 who do you think would cost more to get in Detroit, 681 00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:08,480 Trey Murphy or Jaron Jackson Jr. 682 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,359 Speaker 2: I would lean Jackson Junior just because he's got I mean, 683 00:33:14,759 --> 00:33:20,480 Murphy's never been Murphy's, Like, I get it. The universal 684 00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:23,160 fit is like Murphy's just like he makes threes and 685 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,359 he can dunk, and he's got good positional size and 686 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,279 linked and whatever, and it's cheaper. But Jackson's just like again, 687 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,839 defensive player of the year, like consistently in the conversation 688 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,640 all defense plenty of times, like is a big that 689 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,400 can stretch, Like I just I think that's worth a lot. 690 00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:41,720 And then bigger name, I don't know, throw that in 691 00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:44,079 there too, Like I feel like he goes for more 692 00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:46,480 even with that, what like two hundred million dollars over 693 00:33:46,519 --> 00:33:49,279 the next four years, Like that's that's a big deal. 694 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,680 I still lean that he might go for more. 695 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 1: Do any of the names like A Ruby, Hachima, Andrew Wiggins, 696 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,599 or Norman Powell do it for you? Those are more 697 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,799 in spirit, they're split the baby trade targets, but they're 698 00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:07,880 not They're not players that teams are just giving away. 699 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 2: I think Wiggins would be a pretty big upgrade and 700 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,400 wouldn't sacrifice any defense if he replaces Harris, for example. 701 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,320 Powell is kind of what you were talking about earlier 702 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,000 of like if the if the offensive games are coming 703 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,400 at like strictly a backcourt spot, how much are you 704 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:24,239 really improving? 705 00:34:24,559 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know because he's not he's 706 00:34:27,519 --> 00:34:29,800 not jump starting the offense for anything. He could do 707 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,400 that out of drives a little bit, but he's not 708 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,800 starting the offense for teams. I actually do. I had 709 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,039 a name here, and this is not the season to 710 00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:39,039 suggest it because he's been injured and when he's played, 711 00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:44,079 he hasn't looked great. What about Tyler Hero for this team, 712 00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:45,639 I don't know. 713 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,159 Speaker 2: I guess he in comparison to Powell would give you 714 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:55,599 more of the secondary playmaking and plenty of shooting. I'm 715 00:34:55,639 --> 00:35:00,800 not sure. Again at the the backcourt stuff, like in 716 00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:03,719 Tyler Hero, you're kind of getting the guy that you 717 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,400 hope to Jade and Ivy would be. I feel like, uh, 718 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,480 and and I don't know what you do? Extension eligible 719 00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:11,760 right now? Right isn't here? 720 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he has another year left on his deal. 721 00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:16,800 And just the way that his archetypes have been getting paid. 722 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,480 And again it does feel like there's sort of the 723 00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:23,079 shift in how these non stars or superstar or perennial 724 00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:25,280 All Star contenders because he is an All Star but 725 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,719 it's a one off, are getting paid. I just don't know. 726 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,880 And it more so feels like, oh, the Heat are 727 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,199 looking to cut salary and entering more of a reset 728 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,159 mode that they move him. But I would consider doing 729 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,280 Tobias Harris, Jade and Ivy and a pick like this 730 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,360 year's pick, which is gonna be what twenty ninth, twenty eighth. 731 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,679 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's the other thing is we haven't really 732 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,400 talked about that is. Whatever they do, the Pistons are 733 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,760 going to be good for the next several years. So, 734 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,159 like you, other teams know this, but like you, your 735 00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:57,360 first rounders aren't going to be great, so you probably 736 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,840 if you're going to start moving things like go for it. 737 00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:04,559 Speaker 1: Any other names to discuss with this team stand out? 738 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,760 Speaker 2: Let's see just a piss off Pistons fans, Jeremy Grant. 739 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,840 Throw him in there in the Harris spot. 740 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: Just would you prefer him to would you prefer him 741 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:13,920 to Tobias Harris? 742 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 2: If you're gonna give me the version of Jeremy Grant 743 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,599 that can shoot threes and not shoot like under forty 744 00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:21,960 percent from two whatever that was a couple of years ago, 745 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,920 then yeah, I mean he's they're really not that different. 746 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,440 But don't you feel like Grant has a little more 747 00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:28,840 juice at this point? Still? 748 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,679 Speaker 1: Yeah? I defensively yes, But like Tobias Harris might give 749 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,800 you some rebounding and I trust I think I trust 750 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,039 his scoring package more overall, All right, Jeremy Grant was 751 00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:45,440 having a pretty good season for you and Tobias Harris. 752 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,280 I'm looking at eighteen point five percent from three since 753 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,440 December fifteenth, not great shakes only played nine games, So 754 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,079 what about they probably wouldn't train him like Nikhil. Alexander 755 00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:57,480 Walker's just probably off limited Atlanta. 756 00:36:57,199 --> 00:37:02,039 Speaker 2: Right, I mean, if you can get to kill Alexander Walker, 757 00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:06,280 you do it. That's that's my that's my NBA truism. Yeah, 758 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,440 I don't know, Like Atlanta's not trading him. I don't 759 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,280 think unless unless the Pistons put like a this could 760 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,159 actually be a marketing level offer on. 761 00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:19,360 Speaker 1: The table, which they probably shouldn't do, probably shouldn't clear that. Yeah, 762 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,320 I don't there if they were going like a super 763 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,880 cheap route, you could maybe make a bet on Gary 764 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,440 Trent Junior for Milwaukee, but that's more like that's a 765 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,000 minimum thing. Yeah, nobody else really, somebody else stands out 766 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:32,239 for me. 767 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 2: What do you we've talked about what we think they 768 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,599 should do. What do you think if you had to 769 00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:40,039 guess the Pistons will actually do, you don't have to 770 00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:42,199 name a name. You think you think it's they're going 771 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,840 to use that trade exception and call it good. 772 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 1: And I do think whether it's that or it's we traded, 773 00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:49,599 even if it's we traded to bias Harris, but it 774 00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:51,679 was for just you know, maybe it was two players 775 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,280 or just a name that you wouldn't wasn't a door 776 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:55,320 stopping name. 777 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,320 Speaker 2: And so so Harris. If they make a trade, do 778 00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,960 you think Harris is the most likely guy to go, 779 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,679 because that would mean it's a bigger trade. Probably you 780 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,880 can expect a player at least Well, yeah, sure. 781 00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 1: I think the the only of all the names. I 782 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,800 think part of it might be the market to where 783 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,000 are the Pelicans really looking to move trade Murphy or 784 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,280 Jaz's really move market into the Grizzlies really looking to 785 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:24,159 move Jaron Jackson Jr. I think the biggest possible acquisition 786 00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:28,320 they would make is Michael Porter Junior. Feels like the 787 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,239 ceiling on what they maybe can do, but more so 788 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,119 what they'll be willing to do. 789 00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:35,519 Speaker 2: I think too we didn't really mention. I mean we 790 00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:37,480 did note that they have all they control of their 791 00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:40,960 own firsts. That's relevant to me because in a lot 792 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,119 of cases, in a lot of those look aheads, we've said, 793 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,000 well they could, you probably don't want to do anything 794 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,440 now because if you wait till the offseason, these other 795 00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:53,039 first rounders open up. Detroit like doesn't really have the 796 00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:55,960 incentive to wait until the offseason if there's a deal 797 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,079 to be made, other than to say, like, well, by 798 00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:01,960 then will we'll really know what our needs are like 799 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,119 if we if we lose a playoff series for this reason, 800 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,039 then then it's like, Okay, we don't have to wonder 801 00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:11,000 like what if Lavernon IVY do come through, Like, well 802 00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:12,840 they didn't, so now we know or they did, and 803 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,920 now we know we can continue to be conservative. Like 804 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,960 I think that's there just as a contrast to a 805 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,280 lot of teams. There are a lot of teams that 806 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,559 it's like it doesn't make Yeah, they need this, but 807 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,519 don't do it now, wait until the summer, bigger options 808 00:39:25,559 --> 00:39:26,159 are available. 809 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,639 Speaker 1: I have anything else on them? Are you ready to 810 00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:28,400 take us out of here? 811 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 2: I think that's plenty on the Pistons. Interesting team could 812 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,320 be a big you know, big mover and shaker. I 813 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,679 think we both kind of like them to be. 814 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,280 Speaker 1: But right because I mean, even the idea of if 815 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,480 you just took he's going to be an All Star 816 00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:43,320 probably So this is a weird way to frame it, 817 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,360 but imagine you have the best team in the Eastern 818 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,320 Conference and you're just adding Michael Porter to it. That's 819 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,239 kind of insane, pretty good. 820 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,800 Speaker 2: And it wouldn't. Yeah, and you absolutely could do it 821 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:54,440 if you wanted to. 822 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: It's not like you could you could technically do it 823 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,039 if you wanted to bring to Bias Harris off the 824 00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:00,760 bench for whatever, Like it does have to be his 825 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,679 money because they have so much flexibility, right if you 826 00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:06,159 wanted to use like Duncan Robinson or Karis Lavert and 827 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,159 Jade and Ivy and that's like part of the compensation 828 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,000 going out or Karas Alvert and Duncan Robinson, like you 829 00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:13,760 could get there in ways that route. So they just 830 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,679 have so many different options at their disposal. I think 831 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,119 they're my favorite Michael Porter junior team just because it 832 00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:24,039 feels realistic and like that's the team. Where like if 833 00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:26,880 Michael Porter Junior goes to Golden State or something, I 834 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,039 don't all right cool, but if he goes to Detroit, it's, oh, 835 00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:33,719 so we've taken maybe the favorite in the Eastern Conference 836 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,280 and just giving them this all star score. 837 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, in say no. That's kind of why I hope 838 00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:42,679 they are more aggressive than it seems like they're gonna be, 839 00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:46,239 because they just the need is obvious that the targets 840 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,760 are clear they have the assets to do it. We'll 841 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,159 We'll just see what they're what their appetite for big 842 00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:55,079 trades are. Thanks everybody for listening, for watching. Remember to rate, 843 00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:57,239 review and subscribe, Tell your friends, tell your enemies, joining 844 00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,239 our discord links for that in YouTube and podcast descriptions. 845 00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,039 Share this clip out there with all your Pistons fans 846 00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:05,119 so we can get a ground swallow support for aggressive moods. 847 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:05,760 That's what we need to. 848 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,119 Speaker 1: Say, and I'm actually curious we should have mentioned this 849 00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:10,079 at the top of the podcast. Pistons fans, let us 850 00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:12,880 know in the comments what you would prefer to do, 851 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:17,039 because I'm just assuming the fan sentiment would be hashtag 852 00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:18,199 golf for it, and maybe. 853 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 2: Well I wonder that though, So yeah, let us know 854 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,360 what you think they should do, and then what you 855 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,400 think they will do, because I bet I kind of 856 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,239 feel like those answers are going to be different. Thanks again, 857 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,199 shouts Franklin like king. Apologies, Jared Allen