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Speaker 1: The infinite complaces people went to and pro fears about

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their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion

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over this small binning fragment of solar driftwood, which, by

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chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark

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mystery of time and face.

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Speaker 2: On this episode of Into the Fray, I welcome Simon

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bound On with me and Okay, Now, Simon is also

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a fellow podcaster. He has two podcasts, Alien UFO Podcast

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and Our Paranormal after Life. You must not sleep very much, Simon,

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because I do one podcast and that's a lot, so two.

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Speaker 3: Is holy smokes.

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Speaker 2: But we are not actually here to We will mention

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the podcast, of course, but we are here to talk

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about Simon's newly released book, Aspects of Alien Abduction, Shocking

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UFO Encounters, with a foreword by the incredible, wonderful Mike

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kleelland I love Mike very much. Now, Simon, this is

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volume one, correct, So it does that mean that maybe

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you went out to start collecting stories, encounters information for

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one book and then you knew that you would have

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in fact two volumes worth.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And in fact I was just writing one

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book and I got to two hundred thousand words. What

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and that I thought that's too much. I got this book.

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and this is sixty five thousand words, and so Volume

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on is seventy thousand words, and Volume two i'm working

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on and it's getting close to being finished. But at

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the moment it's one hundred thousand words. So it's editing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And actually I wanted to bring up that book

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that you just held up. It's called Verified in Near

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Death Experiences, Proof of an Afterlife, And not to put

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you on the spot since we're already recording, but I

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was hoping.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you'd come back to talk about that book as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd love to. Yeah, I just you can't stop me.

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I'm sure I know people who go, oh, he's off again,

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and I'll go for three hours and talking about all

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Speaker 2: I'm the same way. So don't you worry about that.

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hour long podcast episode and never works out like that,

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Speaker 3: I guess the people that like us like us.

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Speaker 2: And the rest, they just can have their opinions and

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that's okay. Yeah, because you also are a past life

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regression hypnotherapist. You are, you're certified, you do that work

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beyond being interested in the UFO subject. So that's why

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to talk about near death experiences and things, because that

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is a fascinating subject. So Simon, the age old start

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why in the world are you interested in UFOs and

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aliens and the abduction phenomena.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, it's weird. It's just always been a fascination.

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local public library and get books out on these subjects.

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big foot and ghosts and UFOs and what have you.

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there's no Internet. And as I got older, my interests

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of the afterlife and the other Cydbeer's UFOs, and so

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book on Near Death Experiences, which I think was nineteen

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seventy six, and then over time I read about Travis

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then threw into the nineties where there was loads of

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near death experiences and evidence of an afterlife, and I

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found out about Ian Stevenson's work with children who remember

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past lives. So I was having my own experiences as

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well during this time, which was just little things. They

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weren't huge, momentous experiences, and I wonder if they were

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a path to lead me to this point where I

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a past life regression. So I don't know why I

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the students could go there to learn mediumship and channeling

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practice on you. So I might go every two weeks

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it was always just kind of investigation. It wasn't like

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loved one and I was grieving. And then in back

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nineteen ninety three, I had a really close up sighting

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of a UFO and I was doing a gig with

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my band to the west of London. I think it

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lights in this field and I knew that was an

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what are these bright lights doing? And I thought to myself,

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bridge or there were some trees. And as I got

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shape of a rugby ball. It was twenty five feet

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off the ground, two hundred feet from me, didn't make

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a sound, didn't move an inch. One half of the

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bottom of it was covered in loads of red pin

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spot lights, and coming out of the other end was

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a spotlight pointed at the ground. That was a really

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really powerful light. And I was looking at it driving along,

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memories of, and then over time I had psychic experiences

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thing you might say, well, I believe it when I

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see it, but I have seen it as well, so

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it's not like I'm on the fence of whether this

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or not this stuff is there.

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Speaker 2: That is a very close, impactful sighting. You know, a

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lot of the stories are very far away lights in

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the sky, thirty forty fifty thousand feet up in the sky,

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but that is a very different sighting.

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Speaker 3: Have you thought, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Sure you have, about why then, why was there? Do

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you think there was significance of the timing of you

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have this idea that if you see a UFO, it

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wants to be seen. You know, they don't need to

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be covered in really bright lights and doing incredible maneuvers.

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We wouldn't see them. And I wonder if it was

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there not just for me. It makes me sound I

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think I'm special or something, but it was kind of like,

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it's a kick up the pants, this is the next

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step on the path. It's going now. Pay attention. And

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a lot of times when people see UFOs it may

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be just for that individual. It's not an accident they're

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seeing it. It's not they just happened to be driving

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along and spot one in the sky and it's a coincidence.

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It's there for a reason, it's there for you.

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Speaker 3: See.

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Speaker 2: That's where I tend to disagree just a touch with

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you on Simon, because I do feel like those of

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you who see them, and I completely agree with you

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that I feel like a lot of times they choose

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to be seen, kind of like Bigfoot. I guess you

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put the put the comparison to that. But I do

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think that you guys are special in some way, and

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I think that some people, of course go, well, I

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don't want to be part of that club because I

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have horrifying experiences when UFO show up, which you have

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covered in this book very thoroughly. But I do think

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there is something something to that, and I also think

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Speaker 3: Who see these kinds of things.

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Speaker 2: Not only do you get used to it in a way,

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but you also have experiences that run the gamut.

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Speaker 3: Right, You've talked.

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Speaker 2: About psychic experiences, and obviously you remember some past life stuff,

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which we should probably say for when we have that

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you guys, get used to that. I think you are

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the flame and then all these things are the moths

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and they go, oh, they're Simon. And as you say,

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maybe it was just time again for you know, something

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Speaker 3: On this path.

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don't even know exactly how it started, as like it

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was always there, This interest was always there.

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Speaker 3: Do you did you go back to.

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Speaker 2: That spot and figure out kind of sort of what

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, I do know. That's an empty field. It

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and there's that kind of social media thing of people

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people get abducted. There's that light coming out of the

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UFO and lifting them up. So maybe I was watching

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an abdoption in progress with that.

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there were there cows in this field on the on

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this farm. Maybe you've driven by another time and you're like, oh, yeah,

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there's there's cows there.

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Speaker 4: No, No, it's not.

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this volume. But what do you think of cattle mutilations?

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Speaker 4: I think it's very strange, isn't it? Because I've seen

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loads of photographs about it and read about it. And

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when you see the pictures of these cattle, the way

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that they've been cut, it looks like a laser.

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like wild dogs or something. They rip and tear and

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are dunt. They seem to be completely without blood, but

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there's no blood around the body. Where did the blood go?

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with all these marks that look like burns, and they

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a random arrangement of them, and it looked like a

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we had a laser that was capable of that, it

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was the size of a room. Are you going to

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transport it out to a field?

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I don't. I just most of the time there's no

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sound associated. Helicopters are very loud, at least the ones

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that we know of. But yeah, some of the as

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you mentioned right out of the gate, it's like they

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were dropped. I think those are some of the strangest

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and most fascinating cases of cattle mutes to me is

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when it just seems like one was dropped from a

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great height and they could tell that, you know, after

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it's dead, you can tell such a thing that is

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really really odd.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's it's a thing why you worry about

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if they're going to do it's a human Yeah, Yeah,

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may have happened. But it seems to be a lot

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to the cattle, isn't it. Maybe they want their blood

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and their meat for foods. We just don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then if you take that into the human

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side of things, that gets pretty scary pretty quickly, which

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Speaker 3: Right Simon.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you've talked to some folks that have less

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than stellary experiences when it comes to abduction scenarios and

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seeing UFOs.

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Speaker 3: I just like Bigfoot, I say the same thing. I

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would love to see a UFO. That would be an

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incredible thing.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that would light the fire for me even as

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much as I have for Bigfoot if I saw a UFO.

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But then again, it seems like once some of these

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folks see their first UFO, it's this catalyst that just

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starts them having all of these types of experiences, which

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then goes into their own home, which I always say

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is so intrusive, And then they're waking up. There's little

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as far as they can tell classic alien type beings.

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The grays like on the cover your book behind you.

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Who wants that in their bedroom when you wake up

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in the middle of the night. Nobody, nobody should be

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in your room except for the people that are supposed

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to be in your room.

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Speaker 3: So it gets so dark so quickly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's a thing where that they don't care,

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they don't respect anything about that. They're here to do

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a job. And it's almost like they're interested in the body,

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not the personality a lot of the time. And it's

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always it's like a thing I'd like to see a

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gray alien, but maybe Saturday afternoon in the park, not

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three am in my bedroom.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the bombers.

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Speaker 2: You can't choose, You can't you can't tell them that

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they don't care, Like you said, they do not care.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and they show up so much in these tales

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that people tell me when it starts off when they're

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small and they have the screen images and they don't

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gray aliens. They see clowns or monkeys or muppets. And

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one guy told me it looked like Captain Hook from

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Peter Pan. That was because Peter Pan was his favorite

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film at the time, and they must have somehow picked

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that out of his brain and this would be good

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to calm him down by showing him that. But they

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seemed to be able to get into our houses, into

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our rooms, and take us. There's nothing we can do

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about it, and it's almost a thing. Well if they

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can't do anything, if I can't do anything about it,

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then well I worry about it. If it's going to happen,

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it's going to happen. And somebody I talked to said

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that they used to be so scared and they turned

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it round. They were totally controlled by their fear, and

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they just one day thought, no, I'm not going to

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allow that anymore. I'm going to control the fear. And

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so when they had that thing, they saw that alien,

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they were so scared, they said, they embraced the fear.

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we're kind of like, yes, I see you, I know

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what you are, I feel what I'm feeling. But I'm

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not going to let this control me. I'm taking charge now.

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And they said that changed the whole dynamic with the

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Ets for them for themselves. So we're still getting paralyzed

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and in a way I think where you can't blame

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the Grays for paralyzing these crazy, violent humans. But it's

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that thing of if they show up in your room,

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some weird things can happen there. And it's not just

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they're walking across your room. You know, people talk about

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time stopping or changing and sounds changing. I've got a

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couple of people who are in the book, maybe in

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volume two, they talk about the room spinning, and it's

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that they're on their bed, the bed stationery, but the

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room is spinning an end over end, and that happened

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once and one of the Grayes said to him, Oh,

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we're just demonstrating you how we can control time, and

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that that was weird, Like the room spinning shows how

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you control time? How does that work?

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's like right out of the movie Event Horizon.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing in the ship that can control the

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time was this spinning this spinning.

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Speaker 3: Ball in housed in the ship. That's weird. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: I have a tendency to bring up movies a little

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bit too much when I'm comparing things, but that's what

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popped into my mind.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I want to also talk about because I brought up

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the cattle mutes is. I wanted to just list off

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the chapters in this This is just volume one, everybody,

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and I sent Simon a short little list of a

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few folks to cover for this chat.

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Speaker 3: We could easily.

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Speaker 2: Probably do a five part episode just on volume one,

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and there'd still be just thousands and thousands of pages.

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But okay, uh, the patterns, So these are the chapters.

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The patterns, childhood experiences, screen memories, high strangeness, marks on

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the body, hybrids, my lab aliens, and then you know

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the whole healing aspect to it, because as I mentioned

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in the beginning, not all of these.

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Speaker 3: Are negative experiences.

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Speaker 2: Or maybe they go through the scary stuff on the

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metal table and being on the ship, but then they

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come back and they are healed in fact, which that's great,

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But then you wonder, or maybe you've asked some people this, Simon,

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would you trade the healing for not having the experience,

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the scary experience at all.

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Speaker 3: You know, would you rather have.

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Speaker 2: Not gone through the whole thing and just you keep

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your chronic illness or whatever they were going through.

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Speaker 4: I haven't asked that exact question. I have just asked

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them if they could go back and change things and

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just make it so it never happened. I'm only one

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person said they do that. Everybody else said even with

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all the terrifying things. I'm talking to people who in

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the fifties and sixties, even seventies, and they look back

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on it now and say they wouldn't change a thing.

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This is who they are now and all this experience

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made them who they are. But also the experience changes

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over the decades and it gets better and better, and

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the aliens have a different relationship with you. They start

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treating you more like an equal, and it becomes more

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kind of spiritual about consciousness. So there was just one

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guy who said he wouldn't change it. And he just

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told me that the Grays did horrific things to him,

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and he really doesn't like them, but he wouldn't tell

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me what they did. In a way, it was almost

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like for him it's PTSD or something it's so shocking

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and so terrifying. He doesn't want to talk about it.

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He just said there were some terrible things, and that

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he is in the book. I can't quite remember his name,

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so I shouldn't that it might be somebody I'm thinking of.

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I shouldn't say that person's day might be wrong.

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Speaker 3: I'm terrible with names too. I'm the same.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I have such a cool story, and then

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I go to tell it, and I'm like, wait, I

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better just unless I know for sure, which I have

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a horrible memory.

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Speaker 3: I'm the same way. So the chapter that.

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Speaker 2: I mostly honed in on was the high Strangeness chapter.

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And of course, not only does Mike Cleland write the foreword,

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but he's also included in the book and for a

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good reason. And you mentioned the C word consciousness, and

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Mike Kleelland is big on having this tied into consciousness.

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And I you know, at some points, especially when you

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start talking about they're just thinking something and then the

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phenomena shifts in order to either accommodate or work around

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that thought thought process.

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Speaker 3: How could consciousness not be tied into it?

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Speaker 2: Or the people that can quote unquote call in UFOs right,

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and interact with them just you know, CEE five put

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a broad stamp on that, and you can interact with

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them that way. And then you go to take a

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picture when they come in and they go whoop, and

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they they go out a frame or they blink out right,

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How is that not tied into consciousness? So Mike is included,

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and you know it's you basically say, it's a mix

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of different of several different anomalies occurring at the same time.

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Changes in the environment, complete silence, the air changes, it's

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dense or charged to somehow altered light time distortion, paralysis

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and objects moving or as you said, an entire room moving,

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which would be pretty darn scary. And also, Simon, isn't

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it funny how occasionally they do because screen memories is

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an entire chapter in your book. You could probably write

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a whole book on screen memories alone.

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Speaker 3: It's just I don't know.

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Speaker 2: If we'll ever figure out why they do allow certain

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things to be remembered, or did they do? You think

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they screw up sometimes and they meant for the whole

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thing to be wiped and you know, the flashy thing

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just isn't quite powerful enough.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that that's a big question. It's is

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it that, like my memories of encountering aliens all came

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up under hypnosis, and maybe they looked at me and

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they were thinking, Oh, this guy's a bit of a worse,

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you know, we can't let him remember, it's freak him

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out too much. And then there's other people who were like, Yeah,

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these people can handle it. Let's let's leave them breadcrumbs,

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let's let them allow little things. And that might be

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part of that person's path, that their spiritual path or something.

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And maybe there's also that thing they say that your

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mind will edit out trauma, and it's a natural process

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that our brains do, but I don't think that would

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be the answer to all of it. That might be

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a little bit of it, because with missing time, people

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talk about it being such a perfect cut. It's like

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they've taken this old film and sliced the chunk out

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and then joined it back together and you watch it's

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just an instant change to another scene, and that's how

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they experience it. So it's just weird what comes up

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and how they can control our perception. And with high strangeness,

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I got a High Strangers chapter in my second book,

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it's the only thing I repeat. And that's got things

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with the false scenarios, this lady called them where it's

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almost like she's being tested. Where one of them is.

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She found herself on a railway carriage and she's sitting

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in the chair, and she said she realized the other

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people in the carriage were like video game non player characters,

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those ones that are just around and they're not They're

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just part of a scenery, so to speak. And she

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thought to herself, it's the aliens again. And she got

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up and walked to the end of the carriage and

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opened the door, and there were two grays there, and

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they got annoyed for her for working out that this

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was a fake scenario. And then there's another see I'm

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getting carried away. Now there's other eyes. Strangest thing in

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the In the next book, this guy called Steve Neil.

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He's got a great YouTube channel. He was in his

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workshop and he's a movie guy. He would he used

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to make spos ears and make the aliens for the

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X Files, all that kind of stuff. And he was

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in his workshop and he had some knocking noise on

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the roof, and he said he walked outside and came

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round and there was a guy in old overalls with

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like a you know, paint on it, and he was

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quite an old guy. And Steve said to him, what

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are you doing? He said, I'm fixing the roof. And

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Steve looked down and this guy was just hovering. There's

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no ladder or anything. He was just hovering in mid air.

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And Steve sagan, you're an alien, aren't you? And he said.

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The guy just came down and kind of spam, if

478
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,279
I'm remembering this correctly, almost like a whirlwind, and just

479
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,240
disappeared off. And that that's highly strange, isn't it. That's

480
00:27:26,319 --> 00:27:29,480
high strangeness. And you think of that, I think, what

481
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,039
is going on here? Are they trying to send him

482
00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:36,880
a message? Why would they do that? It's it's just bizarre.

483
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,960
It's almost like it gets so weird. But for me,

484
00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:45,039
the weirder it gets, the more interested I am, just

485
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,640
you know. And for some people this would be, oh, well,

486
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,279
that proves it's not true. It's clearly nonsense, but it

487
00:27:51,319 --> 00:27:52,319
doesn't do that with me.

488
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 2: I agree, the weirder the better. Plus I think the

489
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,680
stranger and more unique the details. You're kind of going

490
00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:02,680
why how and why? Would someone even come up with that,

491
00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:07,920
like the overalls? Why was this strange person slash entity

492
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:08,880
alien whatever?

493
00:28:09,759 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 3: Why overalls? Did he think he was gonna fit in better?

494
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 2: Because you know, the guy's in the workshop and Alien's like,

495
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:17,680
you know, what I need is a good pair of

496
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,640
overalls and I will fit right in.

497
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:25,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, and thinking if I got the overalls right, we

498
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,559
won't notice I don't have a ladder.

499
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm floating. This is completely normal, nothing to see here.

500
00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are the encounters where you go and those

501
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,680
are the encounters where you know, once it comes out publicly,

502
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,039
somebody else comes forward and goes you know what, I

503
00:28:46,359 --> 00:28:50,640
wasn't all that interested and I felt alone. I wasn't

504
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,720
interested in coming out and telling my story until this

505
00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:56,359
one little detail I heard in someone else's encounter made

506
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,759
me realize I wasn't alone and it was okay to

507
00:28:58,799 --> 00:28:59,799
talk about this stuff.

508
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, that. I have talked to people who've said

509
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:08,039
that that when they're small, they have these experiences and

510
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:11,319
then they become a teenager and they just think I'm

511
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:14,119
the only one in the whole world that this is

512
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,160
happening too. And it kind of reminds me of an

513
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,720
experience a girl, well she was a woman, but she

514
00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:23,599
said when she was seven years old, she was at

515
00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:27,920
school and she was having these experiences regularly and they

516
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,839
were freaking her out. But there was a boy in

517
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,359
the school who kept saying he'd seen her naked, and

518
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,200
everybody would laugh at her and it was kind of bullying,

519
00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:40,039
and he kept saying it, and she didn't know what

520
00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:42,319
this was about. And then one day he said, when

521
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,079
we were on the spaceship last night, I saw you naked.

522
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,079
And that suddenly made sense to her and also made

523
00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:52,920
her think, hang on, I'm not the only one. So

524
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,279
that that does come up. And it's that thing of

525
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,000
having a support group and having your peers and connecting

526
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:04,200
with them gives you a feeling of comfort. I suppose,

527
00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:06,880
even with this awful stuff happening.

528
00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:11,759
Speaker 2: Oh, bless his heart and bless her heart, because there's

529
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:16,200
this horrible what she assumes is someone being cruel and

530
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,039
creating a problem around the other kids. And he was

531
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:22,200
just trying to touch base on an experience that they

532
00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:22,799
both had.

533
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,519
Speaker 3: So that's that's incredible.

534
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,359
Speaker 2: So yeah, sorry, Simon, go ahead.

535
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:33,559
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, they're only seven eight years old. Yeah,

536
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,119
it's not that you could attribute an adult viewpoint to

537
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,359
them and how they're handling this stuff.

538
00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:45,839
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, absolutely so your own hypnosis, at least for

539
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,279
the alien side of things. We won't go into the

540
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:53,039
past life stuff yet. But how old were you do

541
00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:56,279
you think when those kinds of experiences started?

542
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I was taking through a past life progression

543
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:05,640
last December, and I said to the hypnotherapist, I had

544
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,720
this sighting in ninety three where I saw this UFO

545
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,680
really close to the ground. Can we can you regress

546
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,359
me to that point see if anything else happened. And

547
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:22,079
so he regressed me to that point. And then I

548
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:24,440
sped up the car and I was driving home, and

549
00:31:24,519 --> 00:31:27,839
what I saw was the UFO coming over above me

550
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,359
and picking me up, taking the car with me on

551
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,319
board the UFO. And I was standing inside this hangar

552
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,799
with my car and this gray alien in front of me.

553
00:31:40,039 --> 00:31:42,480
And then next thing I know, I'm walking down a

554
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,359
hallway and I've got two of the grays in front

555
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,480
of me. And I had this weird perspective because I

556
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:50,559
was six foot tall and they were like four feet

557
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,319
all I could look down on the top of their

558
00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:56,200
heads as we were walking along. But I also had

559
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,240
that feeling like I was a non player character. I

560
00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:03,720
had like I was asleep but awake. I had no

561
00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:06,599
control over what I was doing, and I had no

562
00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:11,920
power of decision making, That's what I'd say. And they

563
00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:17,279
just led me into this room and telepathically they said.

564
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,599
And the thing with telepathy, this is what most people

565
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,920
tell me, is it's not words. It's kind of they

566
00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:28,119
download or a transfer of knowledge and understanding, and sometimes

567
00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:30,759
in motion as well. And it was just like they

568
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:32,400
told me, okay, take your clothes off and get on

569
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,920
the table, and I just did. There was no fighting

570
00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:40,759
back or anything. And then the table was really low down,

571
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:42,759
and I think that's because they were so short. You know,

572
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,119
it has to be the right height for them to

573
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,759
do their work. And I was lying back on it,

574
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,079
and then I got a sense that I started complaining

575
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,440
to them, saying it right, stop it, leave me alone,

576
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,759
plenty of foul language. And then I got the message

577
00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:02,039
from it was what are you complaining about? You know

578
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:04,759
this is necessary. You've done this a lot of times before.

579
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:10,160
And then this tall gray came in, which is maybe

580
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,119
six or seven feet. It's difficult to tell when you're

581
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,240
lying back on this table and it came over to

582
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:17,640
me and it put its face down like an inch

583
00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:20,279
from my face, and all I have with these huge

584
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:23,000
black eyes in front of my eyes. And then I

585
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:26,759
felt like it was rummaging around inside my brain, like

586
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,400
looking through memories and emotions and all sorts of things.

587
00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:34,799
And it's almost, like I describe it, it was taking my memories,

588
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,240
but not so that I'd forget them. And I got

589
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,480
this feeling in that time and these things were happening

590
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:46,640
that it was like maintenance, almost like I was their

591
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,680
equipment and they were doing a check up, like you

592
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,400
put your car in the garage and they checked the

593
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,799
oil and the tire pressure and things. That was what

594
00:33:54,839 --> 00:33:59,359
they were doing with me and this character Simon who's complaining.

595
00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:02,519
It's almost like the cars arrived in the garage, they

596
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:04,559
turn on the ignition and of suddenly the radio is

597
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:08,199
really loud and it's just annoying. And that's what I was.

598
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,280
I was just annoying, you know, just annoise in the background.

599
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,519
It's like, I'll be quiet. We're trying to do our job.

600
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:19,239
And then the next thing I knew, I was waking

601
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,559
up the next morning and went to work forgot about

602
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:24,239
it completely.

603
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: Have you ever had a regression where there was obvious

604
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,400
you realize now it was a screen memory in place

605
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,639
where you saw a massive owl in the road. You know,

606
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:45,440
Mike Leolan is huge on the owl phenomena tied into this.

607
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,079
Speaker 3: Have you ever had anything like that?

608
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 4: No? I haven't, no, And I've talked to so many

609
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,760
people who've had that, whether it's just owls being around

610
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,119
them or I did a session and a hypnosis session

611
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:03,760
recently and the guy contacted me and he said, I

612
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,239
remember I was a child. I woke up and there

613
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,280
was a fourth owl in my bedroom and that's all

614
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,079
I remember. So I regressed him back to that point

615
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:17,440
and we found out more stuff happened there. And you know,

616
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,360
it's like Mike Clelland in the book talks about how

617
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,920
a woman was walking down the path in a forest

618
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,360
and she came round a bend and there was a

619
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,000
gray alien standing there and it freaked out, like it

620
00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:29,280
was shocked that she could see it, and she heard

621
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,760
in her mind like the gray alien going owl owl, owl, owl,

622
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:37,840
and then it morphed into an owl. That I've never

623
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,320
had those screen memory as far as I know. Maybe

624
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,239
I have, and I just didn't notice.

625
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:46,599
Speaker 2: See and again, and isn't that funny did that alien

626
00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:49,519
screw up? Did he not realize maybe she was as

627
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,679
psychic or sensitive as she is and he was on

628
00:35:54,159 --> 00:35:57,880
you know, screen memory level four and he needed to

629
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,679
have it up to an eight for her right'.

630
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 3: So it is so strange. The phenomena is.

631
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,119
Speaker 2: Not it's we go off of what they seem to

632
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,719
try to do, which is put screen memories in and

633
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,880
you had to be regressed to remember everything around that

634
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,199
UFO siding, And then if you're laying next to your partner,

635
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,440
they could be quote unquote turned off during an entire

636
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:25,320
event that you may remember the entire thing. So it's

637
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,199
just strange that they don't seem to get it perfect

638
00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:31,639
all the time. And does it have more to do

639
00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:34,239
with them or more to do with us or maybe

640
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,199
a little bit of both.

641
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, you wonder if they're doing it on purpose. That

642
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:40,880
one doesn't sound like it was on purpose.

643
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:41,639
Speaker 5: Yeah.

644
00:36:41,679 --> 00:36:44,159
Speaker 4: And you hear people waking up and they've got their

645
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,760
big clothes on inside out, or they wake up and

646
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,159
they're outside their house and they're locked out at three

647
00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:53,440
o'clock in the morning. You hear about those things as well.

648
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:59,280
But and also with my hypnotic memories. I don't know

649
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,280
if they're really you know, I don't know if i'm

650
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,840
my mind. Is I know so much about this stuff

651
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,920
that my subquonscious just made it up? Or have I

652
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,800
such a fascination with it because it was happening to

653
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,239
me and there was something coming through that made me

654
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,280
want to know more about this. But I can tell

655
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,039
you about another thing that came up under hypnosis, which

656
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:24,559
is kind of linked to this thing with the clothes.

657
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,519
I was taken through a past life progression like fifteen

658
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:32,719
years ago, and that's all it was. There was no

659
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,639
mention of aliens or UFOs. I didn't ask her to

660
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:39,719
take me to any memories like that. And I saw

661
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,599
a past life in Venice and I think the sixteenth century.

662
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,679
And I saw the death of that past life and

663
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,519
I found myself like as a ball of lighte floating

664
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,639
looking down on the body. And then I just started

665
00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:57,119
drifting away, and that the hypnotherapist was saying to me,

666
00:37:57,199 --> 00:38:01,000
I just drift away, Just drift away, don't you know,

667
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,039
hanging onto that life. We're going to go somewhere else.

668
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:06,679
Just tell me the first thing you see. And the

669
00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:09,800
first thing I saw I was lying on a table

670
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,159
with a gray on my right left and two on

671
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,880
my right, and I was terrified. In that hypnotherapist's office,

672
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,239
it was like it was all coming back to me,

673
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,519
and it was like an instant thing, like somebody flicked

674
00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:26,360
a switch and I went from zero to one hundred instantly.

675
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:29,599
And the hypnotherapist said that she could see my muscles

676
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:35,000
quivering because I was so scared that I was on

677
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,800
the table, and they did some stuff and they got

678
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,559
me off the table, and they walked me along in

679
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:45,280
this room. And it wasn't a very bright room. It

680
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,719
was quite dark around the sides, and it was circular,

681
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,159
and I had this vision that they must have been

682
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:55,239
planted in my mind, where I was in a forest

683
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,239
and like an area the size of a football field

684
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,400
had been cleared, so it was all just tree stumps,

685
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,159
and there was a planet in the sky and it

686
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,400
was very very close, much closer than the Moon. It

687
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:14,360
was too close to for reality because Earth's gravitational field

688
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,119
and magnetic field they'd interfere with each other. But there

689
00:39:18,159 --> 00:39:21,199
was a pathway coming off that planet. Where we were standing.

690
00:39:21,519 --> 00:39:24,239
There's all these other adults and all these children dressed

691
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,320
in white were coming down this pathway and the adults

692
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,639
were greeting them all and it was all big hugs

693
00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:32,880
and big smiles. And then I had this message in

694
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,039
my mind that said, when the planets meet, the children

695
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:40,280
will return. And the next thing, I'm back in that

696
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,880
room with them one either side of me. They lead

697
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,440
me to the wall. A hole opens up in the

698
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,000
wall and it's a cookie cutter shape of me and

699
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,239
I can pass through it perfectly. But it doesn't go

700
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,239
into a hallway or another room. It's just this massive,

701
00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:01,360
energetic space. It's just full of color and it's all

702
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,199
shimmering and moving around, and I'm going out one hundred

703
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,159
miles an hour, and I get the senses other adults

704
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,920
are the humans in there. And the next thing, I

705
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:14,840
land in a very long, thin, white room with all

706
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,559
these chairs that are kind of part of the wall

707
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:21,760
and the floor. They're not separate from the construction, and

708
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,880
there's clothes everywhere, and there's two grays, and I get

709
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,800
this message there's other adults there, and the messages no

710
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,159
one goes home till you've got your clothes on. And

711
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,320
I walk down to the end of this long, thin room.

712
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,639
There's a hole in the floor and I just stepped

713
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,159
through it and the next thing I'm back at my

714
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,599
flat in London and I went to bed and they

715
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:46,400
woke up the next day, no memory of it. But

716
00:40:46,679 --> 00:40:49,119
that makes me think about that bit with the nobody

717
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:51,519
gets home until they've got their clothes on. I can

718
00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:56,760
see how if you're a human there, you're terrified you

719
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,440
might spot your on, your pajamas, your big clo and

720
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,519
just quickly put them on. You want to get out

721
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:04,840
of there. You don't care if they're inside out or not.

722
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: That's interesting, yeah, because I always get the flash of

723
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:11,760
them putting your clothes back on, and they just don't

724
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,360
realize because they don't wear pjs to bed or maybe

725
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,519
even sleep, that they're inside out. But that's interesting because

726
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:23,559
maybe it's you just wanting to get the heck out

727
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:27,360
of there, just putting them on as you took them off. So,

728
00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:29,800
I mean, that actually makes quite a lot of sense,

729
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:30,599
to be honest with you.

730
00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 3: But some mean, doesn't that tick you off a little

731
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,159
bit when you hear about how you may not.

732
00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:42,679
Speaker 2: Have Well, that's another question I should ask after here

733
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,079
I go on my tangents.

734
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 3: Uh, doesn't it tick you off a little?

735
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,519
Speaker 2: Bit that they've done this to you and taken you

736
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:50,679
these places, if in fact this did happen.

737
00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:58,039
Speaker 4: No, No, it doesn't really. Maybe it's just some so

738
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:04,880
interested almost like part of my own research, that this

739
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:10,199
is coming up. And I did talk to Steve Neil.

740
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,639
He said that he's had these experiences throughout his life

741
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,280
and he consciously remembers them. It's not like using hypnosis.

742
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:22,440
And even he doubted it. And I think he's maybe

743
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,360
seventeen now, and he said, just a couple of years

744
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,159
ago he kind of sent a message out into the

745
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,719
universe like thinking and meditating, is this real? Can you

746
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,239
do something? Can you prove to me this is real?

747
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,679
It really happened to me. Because the thing with him

748
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,119
is he has multiple witnesses as well. It's not just

749
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,239
the only things he's experienced. There's other times people have

750
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,360
seen stuff with him. That he woke up one night

751
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,519
and his wife was missing, and he checked the whole

752
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,400
house and could not find her anywhere. And after he

753
00:42:55,519 --> 00:42:57,960
checked it all downstairs, he came up and the found

754
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,880
her asleep in the bed and she was no, I

755
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,440
didn't get up, I haven't been anywhere. And then a

756
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,119
couple weeks later in the morning, his wife said to him,

757
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,840
you were gone last night. I couldn't find you anywhere,

758
00:43:11,079 --> 00:43:13,159
and then suddenly you just were back in the bed.

759
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:18,239
So maybe that was them reacting to his question. And

760
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,119
I'm wondering, maybe I should try that put her question

761
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,199
out into the universe.

762
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say that very same thing

763
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,679
if you had ever if you had.

764
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 3: Ever tried that.

765
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 2: Obviously you do have a connection with something out there

766
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:33,920
and they are interested in you.

767
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 3: So I do wonder if you put that out there

768
00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:36,480
what you would get back.

769
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:45,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wonder if because going back to another hypnotic memory,

770
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:47,920
I'll just say this one quickly. Before I was born

771
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:53,039
into this life, during the past life aggression, I found

772
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:55,760
myself in a space, a spirit guide standing on my left,

773
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,239
two grays in front of me, and they said, this

774
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:02,079
next life you're going to live, will you do it

775
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:05,960
for us? You always have your lives which are to

776
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,480
help your soul so your soul can progress, but we'd

777
00:44:09,519 --> 00:44:13,119
really like you to be a messenger in this next life.

778
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,239
So I agree to that. So I'm wondering, if you

779
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,360
know I've got to this point of being a messenger,

780
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:22,559
And so they're like, well, no, we don't need to

781
00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:25,039
do anything. He's doing the job. We don't need to

782
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:26,079
prove anything to him.

783
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 3: Wow.

784
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: Well that's even the title of one of Mike's books,

785
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:37,239
The Messengers, right yeah, hm wow. No, I love the

786
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,480
tangents of never apologize for that. I'm all about that.

787
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 3: Okay.

788
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 2: So let's talk a little bit about some specific instances

789
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:49,800
from the chapter High Strangeness. I chose just a couple

790
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:52,840
just to give people a taste of what they can

791
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:58,199
expect from this hefty book. So first up, I picked Eric.

792
00:44:58,559 --> 00:44:59,760
I don't know if I want to say his name, right,

793
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,800
Nat Nancio, Nanciel.

794
00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 4: Nan Steele, I think, oh yeah.

795
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 3: Nan Steele.

796
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 2: Okay, way off, Samsonite, all right, yeah, so let's talk

797
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,559
Let's talk a little bit about Eric. Yeah, thank you,

798
00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:15,280
you you know something, you know, what's up?

799
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 3: All right?

800
00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 2: Because he also is mentioned in another chapter, and I

801
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,119
chose him for that very next portion as well. So yeah,

802
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:30,280
let's talk about Eric in this very first portion of

803
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:35,559
High Strangeness and his follows over into the Hybrid's chapter. Actually,

804
00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:37,400
but yeah, let's talk about this first part.

805
00:45:39,199 --> 00:45:43,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's where he had experiences. I think it

806
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,880
was like twenty six years before the last time he

807
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,320
remembers anything. But then things are starting to happen again,

808
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:53,000
but he can't put his finger on it. It's just weirdness.

809
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,360
So he puts a sign up on the wall. He's

810
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,199
got a picture of a gray on it and says, basically,

811
00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:02,679
you know, show yourselves to me. I'm not going to

812
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,960
hurt you. I want to know what's happening. And two

813
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,719
weeks later he comes to floating in his garage and

814
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,199
he's a few inches off the ground and he's leaned

815
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,079
forward at a thirty degree angle and there's a gray,

816
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,519
four foot gray in front of him, and this grace

817
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:22,480
sends him a message that says something like, we can't

818
00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:24,679
allow you to remember what we're doing because in our

819
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,519
superiors would find out. And that's basically the whole of

820
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:33,199
the memory. So that's that's strange. It's like this thing

821
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,679
of the grays almost sounding like they're in a corporate job.

822
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,039
You know, they don't want the boss to work out

823
00:46:40,039 --> 00:46:42,280
that we've let you know about this. We'll get in trouble,

824
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,079
you know, we don't want to lose our pension or something,

825
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:49,920
and that is that is strange. But then I think

826
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,719
he started remembering more stuff after that, like they were

827
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,880
allowing him. I've got a feeling that did happen that

828
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,480
he was with the small grays and there was a

829
00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:02,519
tall grain there and they mentioned how they were letting

830
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:04,280
him remember because he'd asked for it.

831
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:09,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, and here's that idea of asking again, right, just

832
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:12,519
giving it a shout and just asking for something, which

833
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,719
everyone should be careful what you ask for because you

834
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:16,519
just might get it.

835
00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 3: But I'm right there with you, Simon.

836
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,119
Speaker 2: I A lot of people say that, you know, and

837
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:24,920
of course I said all the time, you can't choose

838
00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:28,599
what sorts of experiences you might have. They might be

839
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:31,599
horrifying and terrifying. But it is nice to hear that

840
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:34,119
most of the people that you've talked to, except for one,

841
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,920
has said they really wouldn't have gone back and had

842
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,320
it all not happen. So that's that is good to

843
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,639
hear because a lot of times it does get a

844
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:49,440
little or a lot dark in this subject.

845
00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:55,159
Speaker 4: Yes, Yeah, particularly with missing pregnancies and the hybrids and

846
00:47:55,239 --> 00:48:00,599
things that seems quite nasty. And it's just that contradiction

847
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,159
of they're healing people on one side, but doing that

848
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:08,400
awful stuff on the other. Side, and that kind of

849
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,960
segues us into that other Eric's storage when we tell

850
00:48:11,079 --> 00:48:11,440
that other.

851
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 3: Yes, that's perfect, yes please.

852
00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:21,119
Speaker 4: Was that the one where he was shown all these portraits? Yes, yes,

853
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:26,079
it's like maybe twenty seven portraits. Yes, And it's all

854
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:28,199
Grazer with him, and they're kind of saying, these are

855
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:33,000
all your children, and they're all hybrids, and he says

856
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,639
he got quite flippant with it and started naming them.

857
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:38,039
They said, you want to name them? And he said, yeah,

858
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:41,719
that one spot, that one's McCoy, that's Kirk, that's Zulu.

859
00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:44,440
And he says he thinks about it now and he

860
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,480
thinks that maybe that wasn't such a good idea. It's

861
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:52,079
quite flippant. But that's weird as well, and it's that

862
00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:56,440
thing of it seems to be a lot to do

863
00:48:56,519 --> 00:48:59,239
the whole phenomenon, a lot to do with the hybrid thing,

864
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:02,280
and it's difficult to know what it's really about. That

865
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,000
there are different ideas in the book, people describing what

866
00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:08,639
they've been told by the aliens or what they think's happening.

867
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that also makes you wonder going back to the

868
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:16,519
asking and I don't know especially and you admitted the

869
00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:19,719
whole hybrid and missing pregnancies is one of the darkest

870
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:25,480
aspects of it, the absolute darkest. If you asked, and again,

871
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,079
I don't know if you'd want to, because this is

872
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:28,639
probably a side you'd want to forget.

873
00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:31,199
Speaker 3: If you could, You're like, please, flashy.

874
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 2: Thing me, could you ask to see them more? You know,

875
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,840
could you ask to get to know them? Whatever that

876
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,360
may look like. And you might have to go and

877
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,840
get regressed to even remember any of it happening.

878
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,639
Speaker 3: But I do wonder how much.

879
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: They would be willing to allow if some people did ask.

880
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:02,599
Speaker 4: I'm sure some people do. It's it's not something i'd

881
00:50:02,599 --> 00:50:05,159
want to ask, though, because another side of it is

882
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,360
I have a wife and two daughters, and I don't

883
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,239
want to be bringing that into the house. Right My

884
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,199
wife has said to me that there's been times she's

885
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,679
woken up to a really bright flash in the bedroom,

886
00:50:17,039 --> 00:50:19,280
you know, this bright flash of light, and where's that

887
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,559
coming from? I've never woken up to that.

888
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 2: Is that every couple of years or is that just

889
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,400
a couple of times since you've been together?

890
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 4: No, actually, because we've been together a long time. She

891
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,440
she just said that once. I didn't ask her how

892
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:38,519
often it has happened.

893
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: Oh see, and that makes you think again. You're like, oh,

894
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:48,119
is there a whole other side to this that? And

895
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,400
rightfully you said, I probably don't.

896
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 3: Even want to know.

897
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 2: And you have your daily life and you have your family,

898
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,039
and you don't need to be bringing that stuff around

899
00:50:58,119 --> 00:50:59,440
any more than it already is.

900
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 3: So yeah, the idea of.

901
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 2: Having children taken from you that are rightfully yours and

902
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:14,239
then they're just they're just where they're in Zeta retculi,

903
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:15,840
and what are you supposed to do about that?

904
00:51:16,119 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 3: Right?

905
00:51:18,199 --> 00:51:20,199
Speaker 4: Yeah. But also the thing is, most of the time

906
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:25,760
people describe children that are very obviously hybrids with massive eyes,

907
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,360
and their hair can maybe white and very fine and

908
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,400
not a lot of it, and very skinny. So you

909
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:38,159
couldn't have them on earth anyway, because they'd stand out

910
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:38,840
so much.

911
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 3: It makes you wonder with them.

912
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 2: With Eric having him name these children that he saw

913
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,239
the portraits of, it makes you wonder if they because

914
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,760
I don't think that they have super great senses of humor,

915
00:51:55,639 --> 00:51:58,000
and they may not get sarcasm very well.

916
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 3: I don't know, but.

917
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,159
Speaker 2: It makes you wonder if they went back and said, well,

918
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,239
your father named you this, and you know all the

919
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,320
names that he listed down the line, and they're just like, Okay,

920
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,320
I guess it's my name now I do. I just

921
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:16,599
wonder how there their whole dynamic works with what when

922
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:19,400
they're actually asking questions of us, do they really care

923
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,119
about the answer. I don't know, or maybe they're just

924
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:23,960
messing with us.

925
00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, It's like because people report different things. Sometimes it

926
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,840
can be so loving, and they are shown a child

927
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,400
and women talk about having this instant maternal instinct switch

928
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,079
on and this love for this child, and other women

929
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,800
say they're disgusted by this child. They don't want anything

930
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,239
to do with them, and it's it's just weird how

931
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:53,079
that shows up. It's like there's some story SEV talk

932
00:52:53,199 --> 00:53:00,679
tools about being brought babies to heal and as think

933
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,280
she can heal them, like it's some kind of energy healer.

934
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,239
And they brought the first one and she tried to

935
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,559
work on that, and they brought the next one, and

936
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:11,239
these babies were wrapped up in lots and lots of cloth,

937
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,039
and this baby started rolling away from her off the table,

938
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,960
so she quickly grabbed the cloth, but the baby kept

939
00:53:17,039 --> 00:53:21,320
rolling and they stopped it before it came off the table,

940
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,800
but all the cloth was gone, and she said the

941
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,920
baby's neck was like the width of her little finger.

942
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,760
Had a normal baby's head and this tiny little neck,

943
00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:34,679
and it didn't seem very well at all. But when

944
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,880
you see the grays, they've got such a tiny little

945
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,400
neck on their underneath their massive heads as well.

946
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,559
Speaker 2: Have you ever found any any strange marks on your

947
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:48,800
body over the years?

948
00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 4: No, No, I don't think so. No. No, I'm trying

949
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,519
to think of her. I know, wouldn't I I'd be

950
00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:01,599
able to say right now.

951
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 7: No.

952
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,039
Speaker 4: And I've talked to a lot of people who've had

953
00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:09,119
all sorts of marks on their bodies, and you know,

954
00:54:09,159 --> 00:54:17,400
the scoop marks and little pin spot markings. Like Sevtok

955
00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:20,679
talks about this perfect ex that's marked out in nine

956
00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:24,320
little red dots, and she tries to ignore it. She's

957
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,039
trying to ignore the whole alien experience thing. And two

958
00:54:27,079 --> 00:54:30,559
weeks later, she wakes up and there's another red X

959
00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:34,039
on her body and it's that was for her, that

960
00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:37,199
was I can't ignore this anymore. Because she woke up

961
00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:40,960
at night and she looked back over her shoulder and

962
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,079
there was a gray behind her doing something, and she

963
00:54:44,199 --> 00:54:46,559
was kind of paralyzed, so she couldn't stop it. And

964
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:48,400
it's like she was awake for just three or four

965
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,599
seconds and she saw him, and that's the next morning

966
00:54:51,679 --> 00:54:55,159
she woke up. And so the marks on the body

967
00:54:55,199 --> 00:55:00,599
and also injuries to the body that are internal. There's

968
00:55:00,639 --> 00:55:02,400
a couple I think they're in the book, and they

969
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:08,320
talk about having these terrible stomach aches and losing enormous

970
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,119
amounts of weight and then they're coughing up blood and

971
00:55:12,159 --> 00:55:15,559
they go and see the doctor. And she sees the doctor,

972
00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:18,519
and two weeks later is his appointment. So she goes

973
00:55:18,519 --> 00:55:21,000
in and they put a camera down and he says,

974
00:55:21,039 --> 00:55:23,679
there's something in your stomach. It looks like an ulcer,

975
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,360
but I don't think it is, and it's bleeding. There's

976
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,639
an injury down there, and I don't know how that

977
00:55:28,679 --> 00:55:32,239
could happen. I've never seen anything like this. And then

978
00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:36,159
she goes with her partner to the hospital. When he's

979
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:38,920
going for his examination, the doctor walks out and says, hey,

980
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,440
what are you doing here, and she says, this is

981
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,280
my husband. He's got the same problem as me. And

982
00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:46,960
the doctor was only hang on two of you living

983
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,760
together with the same problem. So they checked the husband.

984
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,400
He had exactly the same injury that far down in

985
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:59,400
his stomach, and the doctor just could not explain where

986
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,320
this injury came from. But they're identical, the same depth

987
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,519
down through the throw into the stomach, and they both

988
00:56:06,639 --> 00:56:09,960
know that they're alien abductees. They have memories of this stuff,

989
00:56:10,599 --> 00:56:13,800
not through hypnosis. But she said, what am I going

990
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,519
to say? Tell the doctor it's okay, we're being abducted

991
00:56:16,519 --> 00:56:19,639
by aliens. Now it makes sense the doctor will send

992
00:56:19,639 --> 00:56:20,840
them to the psych wood.

993
00:56:22,639 --> 00:56:27,199
Speaker 3: Simon, have you found that most people.

994
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 2: Are encountering whatever they're encountering, they have to be regressed

995
00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:39,679
to remember most all of it? Or is it fifty

996
00:56:39,679 --> 00:56:42,159
to fifty? Is it all over the place? You couldn't

997
00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:43,480
really say it's one or the other.

998
00:56:43,559 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 3: More so.

999
00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 4: I take it's all over the place. I've talked to

1000
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:53,039
people with extensive memories and they say, you know, almost

1001
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:56,760
like a badge of honor, this is all memories that

1002
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,599
I have. There's no hypnosis involved. And then there's other

1003
00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:03,639
people like the guy with me who says, I just

1004
00:57:03,679 --> 00:57:06,519
remember seeing a four foot owl in my bedroom. I

1005
00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:10,039
don't remember anything after that. And another woman I worked

1006
00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:14,320
with she remembered seeing the muppets outside her bedroom window

1007
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,840
looking down on her when she was a small child.

1008
00:57:18,519 --> 00:57:23,039
And then there's people who have memories they're in the bedroom,

1009
00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:25,880
the grays come in, there's all these lights, they're lifted

1010
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,320
up off the bed and that's the end of the memory.

1011
00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:31,800
So they have conscious memories of encountering the grays, but

1012
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,440
they don't know exactly what happened on board the craft

1013
00:57:34,519 --> 00:57:36,800
or whatever happened to them. So, yeah, it's all over

1014
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:37,239
the place.

1015
00:57:39,239 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 2: People that have owls or muppets or.

1016
00:57:45,679 --> 00:57:46,719
Speaker 3: Captain Hook.

1017
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: Do you think that those people have what we could

1018
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:58,239
just maybe blanket term as more terrifying experiences and so

1019
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,960
maybe this screen memories needed to be implemented more with

1020
00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:02,639
those people.

1021
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 4: Well, when they talk about when they're small children and

1022
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,480
they have those screen memories, they talk about it as

1023
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,519
being fun that the monk is in the bedroom of

1024
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:15,800
fun or the clowns in the bedroom of fun. For

1025
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,679
a lot of people now clowns are a horror movie

1026
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,599
thing that are very scary. That this was happening to

1027
00:58:20,679 --> 00:58:23,159
him in the early sixties and as a little boy,

1028
00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:27,760
he thought clowns were hilarious. And so it's like there's

1029
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,079
the different stages as when you're four or five, it's

1030
00:58:31,159 --> 00:58:35,360
that kind of thing. It's fun. And then you get

1031
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,599
to eight, nine and ten and you suddenly in a

1032
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:41,599
classroom environment and they're teaching you things. And I've got

1033
00:58:41,639 --> 00:58:45,119
a chapter about the classroom in my book. And then

1034
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:49,280
moving forward from there, you get into adolescence and suddenly

1035
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,599
you can reproduce that seems to be where it turns

1036
00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:56,400
nasty and they're interested in your body. So up to

1037
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,360
that point, a lot of the time it's not terrifying.

1038
00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:04,079
It's only when they start doing these physical examinations and

1039
00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:07,079
they take eggs from women and they take sperm from men,

1040
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:12,280
and they can just be doing nasty things. Like there's

1041
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,880
a guy who said that that often they would have

1042
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,159
this rod. This is something I hear about often as

1043
00:59:19,159 --> 00:59:22,639
well from abductees, about this rod thing that the aliens have,

1044
00:59:23,239 --> 00:59:25,039
and they would push it in down the side of

1045
00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:29,599
his eye into his head, and he had his eyes

1046
00:59:29,639 --> 00:59:34,119
closed and he could get he knew he could see

1047
00:59:34,239 --> 00:59:37,559
lights flashing inside his skull. I don't know what they

1048
00:59:37,559 --> 00:59:39,880
were doing this, And they said they would do that often,

1049
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,840
and it was almost as always the same side, so

1050
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,760
that that would happen as well, so not just the

1051
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:51,199
reproductive stuff. And then there's implantation of implants, which seems

1052
00:59:51,239 --> 00:59:53,000
to happen. They use that long rod thing as well

1053
00:59:53,039 --> 00:59:55,119
and put it up the nose and maybe that's inserting

1054
00:59:55,159 --> 00:59:59,840
something there. But people can find inserts or inserts implants

1055
01:00:00,119 --> 01:00:04,840
over their bodies. And uh, just talk about me again.

1056
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:10,719
I was talking to a medium after I've recorded podcast

1057
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,199
episode with her. We finished the recording, we were talking

1058
01:00:13,719 --> 01:00:16,880
and she just suddenly said, oh, you've been tagged. She said,

1059
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,480
I just got an image in my mind of a

1060
01:00:18,519 --> 01:00:21,800
cow with a tag in its ear, and it's right ear.

1061
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,559
And I've got a lump in my right ear lobe

1062
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:29,800
that's completely painless. It's been there for decades. It's about

1063
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,760
the size of a small p And I think that's

1064
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,159
weird that she would say that about my right ear.

1065
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:39,199
And I've got that lump in the ear lobe, So

1066
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:40,840
you know, don't know what's happening with that.

1067
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 2: Ah, So maybe you do have some physical things going

1068
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,400
on with you, Simon. I mean, how could she have

1069
01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:51,239
known that you had that little tiny bump in your

1070
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,039
ear unless she had palpit You would let her palpay

1071
01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:54,719
it all over you.

1072
01:00:54,719 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 3: Which you didn't. How would you know that?

1073
01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 7: That is?

1074
01:00:59,199 --> 01:01:02,119
Speaker 3: That's an interesting at the very least.

1075
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, And other people have talked about quite bad injuries

1076
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,800
as well on their bodies. Whether there was a guy

1077
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,880
he talked about his heart, and they put the rod

1078
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,440
into his chest and it went into his heart, and

1079
01:01:20,639 --> 01:01:23,199
over the months he wasn't feeling so good, and he

1080
01:01:23,239 --> 01:01:25,760
went to the doctors. They'd loads of tests and the

1081
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,760
doctor said to him, you have a hole in your heart,

1082
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:33,960
and it's so big. I'm surprised you're still alive, It said,

1083
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,239
the heart. The blood is coming into your heart and

1084
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,320
then moving through it so quickly, it's not getting a

1085
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:45,639
chance to be oxygenated from your breathing. And there was

1086
01:01:45,679 --> 01:01:50,639
another person who would have these. It called them nose bleeds,

1087
01:01:50,639 --> 01:01:54,239
but it was just a transparent liquid and it tasted horrible.

1088
01:01:55,039 --> 01:01:57,639
And they looked up inside his nose and the skull

1089
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,440
was broken. There was a hole, and they could see

1090
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,599
his brain sitting on the whole, and this was cerebral

1091
01:02:03,639 --> 01:02:08,320
fluid that was coming out. And he said he could

1092
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,599
remember them with the rod, like putting it right up

1093
01:02:10,599 --> 01:02:19,159
into his nose. So he thinks that's where that came from, all.

1094
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:24,679
Speaker 3: Right, there. It's just so it's so all over the place.

1095
01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:28,119
And then you go, did they mean to make.

1096
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,079
Speaker 2: The hole in the heart that big or a hole

1097
01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:33,800
at all? Did he they mean to puncture his brain?

1098
01:02:34,039 --> 01:02:39,719
So the CFS just runs through. Did they did they

1099
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:40,280
mess up?

1100
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 3: You know? Do we get alien malpractice when they screw

1101
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:44,039
these things up?

1102
01:02:44,159 --> 01:02:44,239
Speaker 7: No?

1103
01:02:44,519 --> 01:02:46,239
Speaker 2: They just send you home and then you have these

1104
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:50,079
horrible side effects from whatever it is. And half the time,

1105
01:02:50,599 --> 01:02:52,760
or maybe more or less depending on who you're talking to,

1106
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:58,239
they can't even remember why that's happened. So I appreciate

1107
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,760
that you did say even in your own regressions, you

1108
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,599
kind of go, what you know, is that me putting

1109
01:03:05,639 --> 01:03:08,719
those those memories in there because I am so interested

1110
01:03:08,719 --> 01:03:10,960
in this and I do this research and I do

1111
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:15,400
the podcast, so it it. I do appreciate that you

1112
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:19,880
said that. But you've also actually seen things. You know,

1113
01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:24,880
you've seen that very upclose craft and a couple of

1114
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,719
craft you've seen, so things have gone on, so you're

1115
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:33,119
not making that part up. And that goes back to again,

1116
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:37,400
just I wonder if you did ask for more confirmation,

1117
01:03:38,199 --> 01:03:40,000
which can get scary because you don't want to in

1118
01:03:40,039 --> 01:03:43,480
your house at three in the morning like usual, but

1119
01:03:44,199 --> 01:03:46,159
if you kind of go you know, I do wonder

1120
01:03:46,199 --> 01:03:51,079
if give me confirmation if these regressions were one hundred

1121
01:03:51,079 --> 01:03:54,599
percent actual memories or if I am putting that in

1122
01:03:54,639 --> 01:03:55,800
there myself. You know.

1123
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,719
Speaker 4: Yeah. One of the things though, is that I was

1124
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:03,119
so terrified, and it's almost like if I was just

1125
01:04:03,199 --> 01:04:05,840
making it up, would I be able to get myself

1126
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:07,119
to that level of terror?

1127
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,559
Speaker 3: That's true, that is true.

1128
01:04:09,639 --> 01:04:12,199
Speaker 2: I forgot that you said you were absolutely terrified for

1129
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,199
part of that. So yeah, especially if you're you said

1130
01:04:16,239 --> 01:04:18,559
your muscles were tensing of you were having a physical

1131
01:04:18,599 --> 01:04:22,599
reaction to going back to that point in your memory.

1132
01:04:22,719 --> 01:04:25,239
So I don't know, I don't I couldn't imagine that

1133
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:30,320
something made up or something that you maybe even considered

1134
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,920
possibly could be just a dream would make you react

1135
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:33,320
like that.

1136
01:04:35,519 --> 01:04:38,599
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And this is just as an aside. This

1137
01:04:38,679 --> 01:04:40,039
is one of the things we look at and past

1138
01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:42,760
life regression that people go into pass lives and can

1139
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:46,199
be so emotional, and it's like, well, if you're just

1140
01:04:46,239 --> 01:04:49,119
making it up, then where's this emotion coming from. It's

1141
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:53,840
almost like when I see my clients crying, I know

1142
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,239
that's a good result because something's coming through the energy

1143
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,800
and the emotions and something's being cleared and and it's

1144
01:05:01,079 --> 01:05:03,079
a joke in my house. Now, I finished a session

1145
01:05:03,079 --> 01:05:04,719
and I go out the room and my wife will

1146
01:05:04,719 --> 01:05:06,280
say how'd it go? And I say, well, I made

1147
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,760
them cry and she said, yeah, excellent, well done.

1148
01:05:10,159 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 2: No, there's something to that. I can understand that totally.

1149
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,599
That means you really got down to at least partially

1150
01:05:15,639 --> 01:05:16,840
the heart of it, right.

1151
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, So.

1152
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 3: When do you You may not know. It sounds like

1153
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:28,159
there's a lot to still work through. It's a huge subject,

1154
01:05:28,199 --> 01:05:28,840
as you well know.

1155
01:05:29,559 --> 01:05:32,559
Speaker 2: When should we expect Volume two to come out?

1156
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 4: Well, maybe November or December. I can't be sure. I

1157
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,480
have to see how it goes. How busy I am. Yeah,

1158
01:05:43,519 --> 01:05:46,719
And you know Steven Spielberg's new films coming out in

1159
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,079
a couple of weeks, and I'm wondering if people that

1160
01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:52,800
will bring more people interested in that, And I hope so.

1161
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,840
And there's been some interesting stuff in the trailer. Yeah,

1162
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,320
I just hope it isn't disappointing in the end.

1163
01:06:00,159 --> 01:06:03,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean talking about screen memories. Right in the trailer,

1164
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,960
it shows what looks like a deer and then the

1165
01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:10,800
camera pans around, and it's not a deer with its

1166
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,920
big black eye. It is in alien gray and it's

1167
01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:17,440
big black I so he's definitely going off some of

1168
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,239
the well known tropes there. So I wonder how that

1169
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:25,440
movie is going to be well. Simon again that this

1170
01:06:25,559 --> 01:06:29,199
is volume one. Everybody, We just tiny tiny tiny touched

1171
01:06:29,199 --> 01:06:31,599
on a few things, and he was nice enough to

1172
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:34,079
give us a few little snippets for lying two. But

1173
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:39,840
this book Aspects of Alien Abduction, Shocking UFO Encounters. Let's

1174
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,239
talk just for a couple of minutes about your two

1175
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:46,920
podcasts though, Alien UFO Podcasts and our Paranormal after Life.

1176
01:06:49,079 --> 01:06:53,559
Speaker 4: Yeah. So I think it's a thousand episodes now, I

1177
01:06:53,559 --> 01:06:55,039
think I saw that the other day, and it's not

1178
01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:58,559
something I really follow because I think there's some podcasts

1179
01:06:58,599 --> 01:07:01,239
they've got to a thousand episodes, do a big episode

1180
01:07:01,239 --> 01:07:06,000
about it and loads of social media stuff. But it's like,

1181
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:10,199
there are hour long interviews for most of the episodes,

1182
01:07:10,639 --> 01:07:14,159
and most of the guests are authors, and I ask

1183
01:07:14,239 --> 01:07:16,400
them for permission to read an extract from their book,

1184
01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:20,320
so I read ten minutes. So there's an episode that's

1185
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,559
ten minutes long, and that's just an extract from their book.

1186
01:07:22,599 --> 01:07:26,559
And then there's also the interview episodes, so up a

1187
01:07:26,639 --> 01:07:30,000
thousand episodes, maybe six or seven hundred are interviews and

1188
01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:32,719
the rest of these ten minutes and the ten minuters

1189
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:36,760
get just as many downloads as the interviews, and I

1190
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:40,360
do find them to be really good for putting, you know,

1191
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:44,480
the story across and what's happening with these people. So yeah,

1192
01:07:44,519 --> 01:07:48,480
those podcasts are on Spotify and Apple and everywhere. I

1193
01:07:48,519 --> 01:07:51,880
think maybe thirty five podcast apps. I don't have a

1194
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:59,000
YouTube channel, so it's all audio. And yeah. So and

1195
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:02,440
I've got these two book, Verified Near Death Experiences and

1196
01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:06,519
Aspects of Alien Abduction, and they're on Amazon and you

1197
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:09,440
can get them on paperback and kindle and audio book

1198
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:13,960
and the audiobooks on Spotify as well. And it's interesting

1199
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,239
because I drop a name now and Richard Dolan told

1200
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:21,479
me that with his publications he found that half of

1201
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:25,159
the sales at audio these days. And I wasn't going

1202
01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:28,239
to do an audio book, and I thought, oh god, great,

1203
01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:30,520
now I've got to record an audio book. But so

1204
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,199
I've done that. You know, it's not like I can

1205
01:08:33,239 --> 01:08:35,159
say I haven't got the equipment or the know how

1206
01:08:35,239 --> 01:08:40,119
how to record me speaking right, that's how it's come out.

1207
01:08:40,199 --> 01:08:42,720
It's amazing how many people listening to it on audio,

1208
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,880
and the feedback I get is really good, so that's

1209
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:46,399
a relief.

1210
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 2: We have that lovely accent simon that everyone loves, so

1211
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:54,359
that that also helps. And oh, I also saw that

1212
01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:56,720
you have two fictional works as well.

1213
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, one of them's I've taken offline. One of them's

1214
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:07,399
just a load of science fiction short stories. And yeah,

1215
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,039
that's what notuched the plug there. Really it's science fiction

1216
01:09:10,119 --> 01:09:13,039
short stories and they're all completely different from each other.

1217
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:18,359
And the other book, it's called it, Immortal Suicide, is

1218
01:09:18,359 --> 01:09:22,680
a science fiction novel. And I was talking to a

1219
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,640
guy who does lots of publishing on Amazon, and he goes,

1220
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,880
you called the book immortal suicide. I said, yeah, he goes,

1221
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:32,920
But the word suicide to trigger word. Amazon's algorithm won't

1222
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,479
bring it up if people are searching for science fiction.

1223
01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:39,760
It's like you killed your book. So I'm doing a

1224
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,039
bit of a rewrite and I'm going to rename it

1225
01:09:42,119 --> 01:09:43,239
and all that kind of thing.

1226
01:09:43,319 --> 01:09:48,119
Speaker 3: Even on Amazon, you can't use the S word. Huh.

1227
01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:51,279
Speaker 4: I suppose you can. They didn't lock it. They just

1228
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:52,800
just don't let it come up in search.

1229
01:09:53,039 --> 01:09:56,399
Speaker 3: That's not good. Yeah, that is a that is no viney.

1230
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 2: What about any social media that you wanted to plug, Simon, Well.

1231
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 4: I'm on Instagram and I've got a private Facebook group,

1232
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:11,880
and the private Facebook group is private because doing hypnotherapy,

1233
01:10:12,199 --> 01:10:15,239
people can come on and discuss that and this client

1234
01:10:15,279 --> 01:10:19,800
confidentiality and that kind of thing. And then this Instagram

1235
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:24,000
is our paranormal afterlife with an underscore between each word.

1236
01:10:25,119 --> 01:10:28,039
Speaker 2: I will make sure to link all of this in

1237
01:10:28,279 --> 01:10:31,840
the show notes everywhere, Simon, and I really appreciate you

1238
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,520
coming on, and I look forward to our next chats.

1239
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,760
We're going to talk about near death experiences and past

1240
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:40,159
life next time. And then of course I.

1241
01:10:40,079 --> 01:10:43,640
Speaker 3: Hope that you come back on when volume two comes out.

1242
01:10:45,119 --> 01:10:48,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'd really like it. It seems like we've

1243
01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:51,479
only done ten minutes. Just a sign enjoying it, I.

1244
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:55,600
Speaker 3: Know, and I actually behave myself quite well. I did not.

1245
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:58,680
Speaker 2: Sometimes I have a hard time landing my plane when

1246
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,000
I'm asking questions, and I have a thousand flights that

1247
01:11:02,079 --> 01:11:03,319
I do, and so I.

1248
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,239
Speaker 3: Reined it in pretty good today. I'm proud of myself.

1249
01:11:06,239 --> 01:11:07,600
But thank you so much. Simon.

1250
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 6: Well, I'm sorry. So I was given the name by

1251
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:14,520
my parents.

1252
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:16,359
Speaker 5: I've business, I've such college.

1253
01:11:16,199 --> 01:11:18,319
Speaker 6: I've done these things in my profession, and I produce

1254
01:11:18,359 --> 01:11:22,000
a little bark. But it says, forget it, that's not

1255
01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:27,279
that's someone for story. That's all gone, that's all passed.

1256
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 8: I want to see them really who you are now?

1257
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 7: But nobody knows what their names.

1258
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:39,600
Speaker 6: Because we don't know ourselves except for listening to argos.

1259
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:42,279
Speaker 8: And consulting are ems.

1260
01:11:43,159 --> 01:11:44,199
Speaker 7: But then that's a really.

1261
01:11:44,399 --> 01:11:47,199
Speaker 8: And then again it's expected this question.

1262
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:51,600
Speaker 5: Who are you? That is the meaning.

1263
01:11:53,399 --> 01:11:56,600
Speaker 6: We shall see how they play with this exam by

1264
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,319
the cost to get.

1265
01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:02,159
Speaker 9: You to come out of show, find.

1266
01:12:08,960 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 10: Its steps its stops, by speak spass.

1267
01:12:55,680 --> 01:13:56,159
Speaker 9: Examples for example, divide.

1268
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,119
Speaker 5: No, we don't believe literally can reo.

1269
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:05,399
Speaker 8: That after your funeral for go, you will sadly become

1270
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:11,840
something different, there being somewhere else. They will say. Reincarnation

1271
01:14:12,079 --> 01:14:15,479
means this that if you sitting here now are really

1272
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,920
convinced that you're the same person folded.

1273
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:21,079
Speaker 10: At the door half an hour ago, you'll be reinconneted.

1274
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:26,520
Speaker 5: If you're liberate with remans now that you're done, the.

1275
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 6: Past hasn't been at.

1276
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:32,640
Speaker 5: The future hasn't been existence. There is only the present.

1277
01:14:33,279 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 7: That's the only Amenian that there is the same Master,

1278
01:14:37,119 --> 01:14:37,640
don't get.

1279
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 5: Any in this space in the same extremely does not

1280
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:42,359
become the south.

1281
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,159
Speaker 6: First there is SAMs and then there is grief.

1282
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:37,279
Speaker 5: It's it's, it's, it's, it's.

1283
01:15:47,079 --> 01:16:39,279
Speaker 7: It's t sl'.

1284
01:16:39,359 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 6: That's the same idea.

1285
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:45,239
Speaker 8: Where he says, when you settle down in the train

1286
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:49,279
to read your newspapers, and you're not the same person

1287
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:55,760
uh the platform. If you think you are, you are

1288
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:59,600
linking your movements up in the check. And this is

1289
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:06,199
what nine sees the wheel. When you know that every

1290
01:17:06,279 --> 01:17:09,960
moment which you are is the only moment. This comes

1291
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,800
into zer. The Master will say to somebody, I cannot

1292
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,640
have a walk across the room and it can be back,

1293
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:16,600
And he says, where are your foot?

1294
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 7: They've gone?

1295
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:22,039
Speaker 9: So where are you?

1296
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:23,039
Speaker 3: Who are you?

1297
01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 9: When we are asked who we are, we usually give

1298
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 6: A kind of recitation of an instrum in strength for instence,