Speaker 1: The infinite complaces people went to and pro fears about
their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion
over this small binning fragment of solar driftwood, which, by
chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark
mystery of time and face.
Speaker 2: On this episode of Into the Fray, I welcome Simon
bound On with me and Okay, Now, Simon is also
a fellow podcaster. He has two podcasts, Alien UFO Podcast
and Our Paranormal after Life. You must not sleep very much, Simon,
because I do one podcast and that's a lot, so two.
Speaker 3: Is holy smokes.
Speaker 2: But we are not actually here to We will mention
the podcast, of course, but we are here to talk
about Simon's newly released book, Aspects of Alien Abduction, Shocking
UFO Encounters, with a foreword by the incredible, wonderful Mike
kleelland I love Mike very much. Now, Simon, this is
volume one, correct, So it does that mean that maybe
you went out to start collecting stories, encounters information for
one book and then you knew that you would have
in fact two volumes worth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And in fact I was just writing one
book and I got to two hundred thousand words. What
and that I thought that's too much. I got this book.
This was published last March last year, not this year,
and this is sixty five thousand words, and so Volume
on is seventy thousand words, and Volume two i'm working
on and it's getting close to being finished. But at
the moment it's one hundred thousand words. So it's editing
and just tightening it all out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And actually I wanted to bring up that book
that you just held up. It's called Verified in Near
Death Experiences, Proof of an Afterlife, And not to put
you on the spot since we're already recording, but I
was hoping.
Speaker 3: Maybe you'd come back to talk about that book as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd love to. Yeah, I just you can't stop me.
I'm sure I know people who go, oh, he's off again,
and I'll go for three hours and talking about all
this stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm the same way. So don't you worry about that.
I'm always like, oh, I'd like to do about an
hour long podcast episode and never works out like that,
But that's okay.
Speaker 3: I guess the people that like us like us.
Speaker 2: And the rest, they just can have their opinions and
that's okay. Yeah, because you also are a past life
regression hypnotherapist. You are, you're certified, you do that work
beyond being interested in the UFO subject. So that's why
I again not to put you in the spot, but
I thought, I wonder if Simon will come back on
to talk about near death experiences and things, because that
is a fascinating subject. So Simon, the age old start
for a podcast interview such as this, I suppose, is
why in the world are you interested in UFOs and
aliens and the abduction phenomena.
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's weird. It's just always been a fascination.
When I was ten years old, i'd go to the
local public library and get books out on these subjects.
And in those days it could be anything, could be
big foot and ghosts and UFOs and what have you.
And that would have been nineteen seventy five, so you know,
there's no Internet. And as I got older, my interests
kind of went into two paths, which was this idea
of the afterlife and the other Cydbeer's UFOs, and so
I just got books when I could find them, and
back then there weren't so many. There was Raymond Moody's
book on Near Death Experiences, which I think was nineteen
seventy six, and then over time I read about Travis
Walton and Betty Andreson and then Whitley Streeber Communion, and
then threw into the nineties where there was loads of
stuff started showing up to do with alien abduction and
near death experiences and evidence of an afterlife, and I
found out about Ian Stevenson's work with children who remember
past lives. So I was having my own experiences as
well during this time, which was just little things. They
weren't huge, momentous experiences, and I wonder if they were
put in my path on purpose to move me along
a path to lead me to this point where I
am of doing podcasts and reading book writing books and things.
And that can link through to some stuff that came
up during hypnosis last December, when somebody took me through
a past life regression. So I don't know why I
was fascinated, but I was. In the nineteen eighties, I
would go to the College of Psychic Studies, which is
set up by the Society for Psychical Research back in
like eighteen ninety, and I wasn't a student there, but
the students could go there to learn mediumship and channeling
and past life regression and all sorts of things, and
if you pay a little bit of money, they would
practice on you. So I might go every two weeks
or so and sit with a medium or a channel there.
And I was taken through a past life regression and
it was always just kind of investigation. It wasn't like
I was trying to contact a deceased relative or a
loved one and I was grieving. And then in back
nineteen ninety three, I had a really close up sighting
of a UFO and I was doing a gig with
my band to the west of London. I think it
was a little town called Beaconsfield, and we packed up.
It was a Sunday night, and then it was one
am on the Monday morning and I'm driving back into
London on this motorway called them forty. And I knew
this motorway really well. I used to commute on it.
And up ahead on the left, I saw really bright
lights in this field and I knew that was an
open field. And at one am on a Monday morning,
what are these bright lights doing? And I thought to myself,
it is this emergency works like for electricity or lines
or something. And I checked my mirrors and I looked
around and there was no other cars on the motorway,
which seemed a bit weird. So I cut my speed
down and my speed got down to like five miles
an hour, and there was I think it was a
bridge or there were some trees. And as I got
past this obstruction, that's when I could see what was there.
And it was a craft about the size of a house,
shape of a rugby ball. It was twenty five feet
off the ground, two hundred feet from me, didn't make
a sound, didn't move an inch. One half of the
bottom of it was covered in loads of red pin
spot lights, and coming out of the other end was
a spotlight pointed at the ground. That was a really
really powerful light. And I was looking at it driving along,
and I'd say maybe thirty seconds of staring at it,
which is enough time to get a good look at something.
And I was holding the steering wall and then leaning
forward as my car was moving forward, looking up out
of the windscreen, and then I just increased my speed
and went home. And so that was one of the
more major experiences that I've had that I have conscious
memories of, and then over time I had psychic experiences
and vivid dreams, and then another UFO sighting, and yeah,
so it's always been a fascination. And there's also that
thing you might say, well, I believe it when I
see it, but I have seen it as well, so
it's not like I'm on the fence of whether this
or not this stuff is there.
Speaker 2: That is a very close, impactful sighting. You know, a
lot of the stories are very far away lights in
the sky, thirty forty fifty thousand feet up in the sky,
but that is a very different sighting.
Speaker 3: Have you thought, I'm.
Speaker 2: Sure you have, about why then, why was there? Do
you think there was significance of the timing of you
saw that first craft.
Speaker 4: I think it was just another step forwards. I do
have this idea that if you see a UFO, it
wants to be seen. You know, they don't need to
be covered in really bright lights and doing incredible maneuvers.
They could sneak around in the sky with no lights on.
We wouldn't see them. And I wonder if it was
there not just for me. It makes me sound I
think I'm special or something, but it was kind of like,
it's a kick up the pants, this is the next
step on the path. It's going now. Pay attention. And
a lot of times when people see UFOs it may
be just for that individual. It's not an accident they're
seeing it. It's not they just happened to be driving
along and spot one in the sky and it's a coincidence.
It's there for a reason, it's there for you.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 2: That's where I tend to disagree just a touch with
you on Simon, because I do feel like those of
you who see them, and I completely agree with you
that I feel like a lot of times they choose
to be seen, kind of like Bigfoot. I guess you
can go down that rabbit hole a little bit and
put the put the comparison to that. But I do
think that you guys are special in some way, and
I think that some people, of course go, well, I
don't want to be part of that club because I
have horrifying experiences when UFO show up, which you have
covered in this book very thoroughly. But I do think
there is something something to that, and I also think
that a lot of you folks.
Speaker 3: Who see these kinds of things.
Speaker 2: Not only do you get used to it in a way,
but you also have experiences that run the gamut.
Speaker 3: Right, You've talked.
Speaker 2: About psychic experiences, and obviously you remember some past life stuff,
which we should probably say for when we have that
episode or I'll keep you till two your time. But
I it is incredible. I think what a lot of you,
you guys, get used to that. I think you are
the flame and then all these things are the moths
and they go, oh, they're Simon. And as you say,
maybe it was just time again for you know, something
to happen and kick you into gear and move you
forward and on.
Speaker 3: On this path.
Speaker 2: That sounds like it started as as you say, you
don't even know exactly how it started, as like it
was always there, This interest was always there.
Speaker 3: Do you did you go back to.
Speaker 2: That spot and figure out kind of sort of what
it was spotlighting underneath it?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, I do know. That's an empty field. It
was empty field in ninety three. It's an empty field now.
And I don't think I could get into it. I
don't you know, it's private and the farm is over here.
I don't know what the farmers alike over there, but
over here they don't like people on their land. Yeah,
and there's that kind of social media thing of people
people get abducted. There's that light coming out of the
UFO and lifting them up. So maybe I was watching
an abdoption in progress with that.
Speaker 2: I don't know, not to sound super cliche, but were
there were there cows in this field on the on
this farm. Maybe you've driven by another time and you're like, oh, yeah,
there's there's cows there.
Speaker 4: No, No, it's not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the the.
Speaker 2: Old UFO lamp with the with the cow comes to mind.
You know, you you don't cover this at least in
this volume. But what do you think of cattle mutilations?
Speaker 4: I think it's very strange, isn't it? Because I've seen
loads of photographs about it and read about it. And
when you see the pictures of these cattle, the way
that they've been cut, it looks like a laser.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: If people say it's predators and it's just you know,
like wild dogs or something. They rip and tear and
they go for food. They don't surgically remove the like
round the eye socket or around the jaw or some
part other part of their body. And also these bodies
are dunt. They seem to be completely without blood, but
there's no blood around the body. Where did the blood go?
That doesn't make sense, and so there's definitely something weird
going on there. And they said that, you know, when
they first started showing up, I think was Linda Martin
Howe was talking about them in the seventies, and there
were stories of it happening in the sixties, and somebody
was saying that there was a line down the flesh
with all these marks that look like burns, and they
were at perfect, you know, marked out spaces. There wasn't
a random arrangement of them, and it looked like a
laser had gone through. And there have been these burns
as have gone through. But like back in seventies, if
we had a laser that was capable of that, it
was the size of a room. Are you going to
transport it out to a field?
Speaker 2: Yeah, even if you could get it into a helicopter,
I don't. I just most of the time there's no
sound associated. Helicopters are very loud, at least the ones
that we know of. But yeah, some of the as
you mentioned right out of the gate, it's like they
were dropped. I think those are some of the strangest
and most fascinating cases of cattle mutes to me is
when it just seems like one was dropped from a
great height and they could tell that, you know, after
it's dead, you can tell such a thing that is
really really odd.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's it's a thing why you worry about
if they're going to do it's a human Yeah, Yeah,
I've heard a couple of ruinments about that that that
may have happened. But it seems to be a lot
to the cattle, isn't it. Maybe they want their blood
and their meat for foods. We just don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then if you take that into the human
side of things, that gets pretty scary pretty quickly, which
it does.
Speaker 3: Right Simon.
Speaker 2: I mean, you've talked to some folks that have less
than stellary experiences when it comes to abduction scenarios and
seeing UFOs.
Speaker 3: I just like Bigfoot, I say the same thing. I
would love to see a UFO. That would be an
incredible thing.
Speaker 2: Maybe that would light the fire for me even as
much as I have for Bigfoot if I saw a UFO.
But then again, it seems like once some of these
folks see their first UFO, it's this catalyst that just
starts them having all of these types of experiences, which
then goes into their own home, which I always say
is so intrusive, And then they're waking up. There's little
as far as they can tell classic alien type beings.
The grays like on the cover your book behind you.
Who wants that in their bedroom when you wake up
in the middle of the night. Nobody, nobody should be
in your room except for the people that are supposed
to be in your room.
Speaker 3: So it gets so dark so quickly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's a thing where that they don't care,
they don't respect anything about that. They're here to do
a job. And it's almost like they're interested in the body,
not the personality a lot of the time. And it's
always it's like a thing I'd like to see a
gray alien, but maybe Saturday afternoon in the park, not
three am in my bedroom.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the bombers.
Speaker 2: You can't choose, You can't you can't tell them that
they don't care, Like you said, they do not care.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they show up so much in these tales
that people tell me when it starts off when they're
small and they have the screen images and they don't
gray aliens. They see clowns or monkeys or muppets. And
one guy told me it looked like Captain Hook from
Peter Pan. That was because Peter Pan was his favorite
film at the time, and they must have somehow picked
that out of his brain and this would be good
to calm him down by showing him that. But they
seemed to be able to get into our houses, into
our rooms, and take us. There's nothing we can do
about it, and it's almost a thing. Well if they
can't do anything, if I can't do anything about it,
then well I worry about it. If it's going to happen,
it's going to happen. And somebody I talked to said
that they used to be so scared and they turned
it round. They were totally controlled by their fear, and
they just one day thought, no, I'm not going to
allow that anymore. I'm going to control the fear. And
so when they had that thing, they saw that alien,
they were so scared, they said, they embraced the fear.
It's like they took it on and recognized it. And
we're kind of like, yes, I see you, I know
what you are, I feel what I'm feeling. But I'm
not going to let this control me. I'm taking charge now.
And they said that changed the whole dynamic with the
Ets for them for themselves. So we're still getting paralyzed
and in a way I think where you can't blame
the Grays for paralyzing these crazy, violent humans. But it's
that thing of if they show up in your room,
some weird things can happen there. And it's not just
they're walking across your room. You know, people talk about
time stopping or changing and sounds changing. I've got a
couple of people who are in the book, maybe in
volume two, they talk about the room spinning, and it's
that they're on their bed, the bed stationery, but the
room is spinning an end over end, and that happened
once and one of the Grayes said to him, Oh,
we're just demonstrating you how we can control time, and
that that was weird, Like the room spinning shows how
you control time? How does that work?
Speaker 2: Wow, that's like right out of the movie Event Horizon.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 2: The whole thing in the ship that can control the
time was this spinning this spinning.
Speaker 3: Ball in housed in the ship. That's weird. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I have a tendency to bring up movies a little
bit too much when I'm comparing things, but that's what
popped into my mind.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: I want to also talk about because I brought up
the cattle mutes is. I wanted to just list off
the chapters in this This is just volume one, everybody,
and I sent Simon a short little list of a
few folks to cover for this chat.
Speaker 3: We could easily.
Speaker 2: Probably do a five part episode just on volume one,
and there'd still be just thousands and thousands of pages.
But okay, uh, the patterns, So these are the chapters.
The patterns, childhood experiences, screen memories, high strangeness, marks on
the body, hybrids, my lab aliens, and then you know
the whole healing aspect to it, because as I mentioned
in the beginning, not all of these.
Speaker 3: Are negative experiences.
Speaker 2: Or maybe they go through the scary stuff on the
metal table and being on the ship, but then they
come back and they are healed in fact, which that's great,
But then you wonder, or maybe you've asked some people this, Simon,
would you trade the healing for not having the experience,
the scary experience at all.
Speaker 3: You know, would you rather have.
Speaker 2: Not gone through the whole thing and just you keep
your chronic illness or whatever they were going through.
Speaker 4: I haven't asked that exact question. I have just asked
them if they could go back and change things and
just make it so it never happened. I'm only one
person said they do that. Everybody else said even with
all the terrifying things. I'm talking to people who in
the fifties and sixties, even seventies, and they look back
on it now and say they wouldn't change a thing.
This is who they are now and all this experience
made them who they are. But also the experience changes
over the decades and it gets better and better, and
the aliens have a different relationship with you. They start
treating you more like an equal, and it becomes more
kind of spiritual about consciousness. So there was just one
guy who said he wouldn't change it. And he just
told me that the Grays did horrific things to him,
and he really doesn't like them, but he wouldn't tell
me what they did. In a way, it was almost
like for him it's PTSD or something it's so shocking
and so terrifying. He doesn't want to talk about it.
He just said there were some terrible things, and that
he is in the book. I can't quite remember his name,
so I shouldn't that it might be somebody I'm thinking of.
I shouldn't say that person's day might be wrong.
Speaker 3: I'm terrible with names too. I'm the same.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I have such a cool story, and then
I go to tell it, and I'm like, wait, I
better just unless I know for sure, which I have
a horrible memory.
Speaker 3: I'm the same way. So the chapter that.
Speaker 2: I mostly honed in on was the high Strangeness chapter.
And of course, not only does Mike Cleland write the foreword,
but he's also included in the book and for a
good reason. And you mentioned the C word consciousness, and
Mike Kleelland is big on having this tied into consciousness.
And I you know, at some points, especially when you
start talking about they're just thinking something and then the
phenomena shifts in order to either accommodate or work around
that thought thought process.
Speaker 3: How could consciousness not be tied into it?
Speaker 2: Or the people that can quote unquote call in UFOs right,
and interact with them just you know, CEE five put
a broad stamp on that, and you can interact with
them that way. And then you go to take a
picture when they come in and they go whoop, and
they they go out a frame or they blink out right,
How is that not tied into consciousness? So Mike is included,
and you know it's you basically say, it's a mix
of different of several different anomalies occurring at the same time.
Changes in the environment, complete silence, the air changes, it's
dense or charged to somehow altered light time distortion, paralysis
and objects moving or as you said, an entire room moving,
which would be pretty darn scary. And also, Simon, isn't
it funny how occasionally they do because screen memories is
an entire chapter in your book. You could probably write
a whole book on screen memories alone.
Speaker 3: It's just I don't know.
Speaker 2: If we'll ever figure out why they do allow certain
things to be remembered, or did they do? You think
they screw up sometimes and they meant for the whole
thing to be wiped and you know, the flashy thing
just isn't quite powerful enough.
Speaker 4: I don't know that that's a big question. It's is
it that, like my memories of encountering aliens all came
up under hypnosis, and maybe they looked at me and
they were thinking, Oh, this guy's a bit of a worse,
you know, we can't let him remember, it's freak him
out too much. And then there's other people who were like, Yeah,
these people can handle it. Let's let's leave them breadcrumbs,
let's let them allow little things. And that might be
part of that person's path, that their spiritual path or something.
And maybe there's also that thing they say that your
mind will edit out trauma, and it's a natural process
that our brains do, but I don't think that would
be the answer to all of it. That might be
a little bit of it, because with missing time, people
talk about it being such a perfect cut. It's like
they've taken this old film and sliced the chunk out
and then joined it back together and you watch it's
just an instant change to another scene, and that's how
they experience it. So it's just weird what comes up
and how they can control our perception. And with high strangeness,
I got a High Strangers chapter in my second book,
it's the only thing I repeat. And that's got things
with the false scenarios, this lady called them where it's
almost like she's being tested. Where one of them is.
She found herself on a railway carriage and she's sitting
in the chair, and she said she realized the other
people in the carriage were like video game non player characters,
those ones that are just around and they're not They're
just part of a scenery, so to speak. And she
thought to herself, it's the aliens again. And she got
up and walked to the end of the carriage and
opened the door, and there were two grays there, and
they got annoyed for her for working out that this
was a fake scenario. And then there's another see I'm
getting carried away. Now there's other eyes. Strangest thing in
the In the next book, this guy called Steve Neil.
He's got a great YouTube channel. He was in his
workshop and he's a movie guy. He would he used
to make spos ears and make the aliens for the
X Files, all that kind of stuff. And he was
in his workshop and he had some knocking noise on
the roof, and he said he walked outside and came
round and there was a guy in old overalls with
like a you know, paint on it, and he was
quite an old guy. And Steve said to him, what
are you doing? He said, I'm fixing the roof. And
Steve looked down and this guy was just hovering. There's
no ladder or anything. He was just hovering in mid air.
And Steve sagan, you're an alien, aren't you? And he said.
The guy just came down and kind of spam, if
I'm remembering this correctly, almost like a whirlwind, and just
disappeared off. And that that's highly strange, isn't it. That's
high strangeness. And you think of that, I think, what
is going on here? Are they trying to send him
a message? Why would they do that? It's it's just bizarre.
It's almost like it gets so weird. But for me,
the weirder it gets, the more interested I am, just
you know. And for some people this would be, oh, well,
that proves it's not true. It's clearly nonsense, but it
doesn't do that with me.
Speaker 2: I agree, the weirder the better. Plus I think the
stranger and more unique the details. You're kind of going
why how and why? Would someone even come up with that,
like the overalls? Why was this strange person slash entity
alien whatever?
Speaker 3: Why overalls? Did he think he was gonna fit in better?
Speaker 2: Because you know, the guy's in the workshop and Alien's like,
you know, what I need is a good pair of
overalls and I will fit right in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and thinking if I got the overalls right, we
won't notice I don't have a ladder.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm floating. This is completely normal, nothing to see here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are the encounters where you go and those
are the encounters where you know, once it comes out publicly,
somebody else comes forward and goes you know what, I
wasn't all that interested and I felt alone. I wasn't
interested in coming out and telling my story until this
one little detail I heard in someone else's encounter made
me realize I wasn't alone and it was okay to
talk about this stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, that. I have talked to people who've said
that that when they're small, they have these experiences and
then they become a teenager and they just think I'm
the only one in the whole world that this is
happening too. And it kind of reminds me of an
experience a girl, well she was a woman, but she
said when she was seven years old, she was at
school and she was having these experiences regularly and they
were freaking her out. But there was a boy in
the school who kept saying he'd seen her naked, and
everybody would laugh at her and it was kind of bullying,
and he kept saying it, and she didn't know what
this was about. And then one day he said, when
we were on the spaceship last night, I saw you naked.
And that suddenly made sense to her and also made
her think, hang on, I'm not the only one. So
that that does come up. And it's that thing of
having a support group and having your peers and connecting
with them gives you a feeling of comfort. I suppose,
even with this awful stuff happening.
Speaker 2: Oh, bless his heart and bless her heart, because there's
this horrible what she assumes is someone being cruel and
creating a problem around the other kids. And he was
just trying to touch base on an experience that they
both had.
Speaker 3: So that's that's incredible.
Speaker 2: So yeah, sorry, Simon, go ahead.
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, they're only seven eight years old. Yeah,
it's not that you could attribute an adult viewpoint to
them and how they're handling this stuff.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, absolutely so your own hypnosis, at least for
the alien side of things. We won't go into the
past life stuff yet. But how old were you do
you think when those kinds of experiences started?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I was taking through a past life progression
last December, and I said to the hypnotherapist, I had
this sighting in ninety three where I saw this UFO
really close to the ground. Can we can you regress
me to that point see if anything else happened. And
so he regressed me to that point. And then I
sped up the car and I was driving home, and
what I saw was the UFO coming over above me
and picking me up, taking the car with me on
board the UFO. And I was standing inside this hangar
with my car and this gray alien in front of me.
And then next thing I know, I'm walking down a
hallway and I've got two of the grays in front
of me. And I had this weird perspective because I
was six foot tall and they were like four feet
all I could look down on the top of their
heads as we were walking along. But I also had
that feeling like I was a non player character. I
had like I was asleep but awake. I had no
control over what I was doing, and I had no
power of decision making, That's what I'd say. And they
just led me into this room and telepathically they said.
And the thing with telepathy, this is what most people
tell me, is it's not words. It's kind of they
download or a transfer of knowledge and understanding, and sometimes
in motion as well. And it was just like they
told me, okay, take your clothes off and get on
the table, and I just did. There was no fighting
back or anything. And then the table was really low down,
and I think that's because they were so short. You know,
it has to be the right height for them to
do their work. And I was lying back on it,
and then I got a sense that I started complaining
to them, saying it right, stop it, leave me alone,
plenty of foul language. And then I got the message
from it was what are you complaining about? You know
this is necessary. You've done this a lot of times before.
And then this tall gray came in, which is maybe
six or seven feet. It's difficult to tell when you're
lying back on this table and it came over to
me and it put its face down like an inch
from my face, and all I have with these huge
black eyes in front of my eyes. And then I
felt like it was rummaging around inside my brain, like
looking through memories and emotions and all sorts of things.
And it's almost, like I describe it, it was taking my memories,
but not so that I'd forget them. And I got
this feeling in that time and these things were happening
that it was like maintenance, almost like I was their
equipment and they were doing a check up, like you
put your car in the garage and they checked the
oil and the tire pressure and things. That was what
they were doing with me and this character Simon who's complaining.
It's almost like the cars arrived in the garage, they
turn on the ignition and of suddenly the radio is
really loud and it's just annoying. And that's what I was.
I was just annoying, you know, just annoise in the background.
It's like, I'll be quiet. We're trying to do our job.
And then the next thing I knew, I was waking
up the next morning and went to work forgot about
it completely.
Speaker 2: Have you ever had a regression where there was obvious
you realize now it was a screen memory in place
where you saw a massive owl in the road. You know,
Mike Leolan is huge on the owl phenomena tied into this.
Speaker 3: Have you ever had anything like that?
Speaker 4: No? I haven't, no, And I've talked to so many
people who've had that, whether it's just owls being around
them or I did a session and a hypnosis session
recently and the guy contacted me and he said, I
remember I was a child. I woke up and there
was a fourth owl in my bedroom and that's all
I remember. So I regressed him back to that point
and we found out more stuff happened there. And you know,
it's like Mike Clelland in the book talks about how
a woman was walking down the path in a forest
and she came round a bend and there was a
gray alien standing there and it freaked out, like it
was shocked that she could see it, and she heard
in her mind like the gray alien going owl owl, owl, owl,
and then it morphed into an owl. That I've never
had those screen memory as far as I know. Maybe
I have, and I just didn't notice.
Speaker 2: See and again, and isn't that funny did that alien
screw up? Did he not realize maybe she was as
psychic or sensitive as she is and he was on
you know, screen memory level four and he needed to
have it up to an eight for her right'.
Speaker 3: So it is so strange. The phenomena is.
Speaker 2: Not it's we go off of what they seem to
try to do, which is put screen memories in and
you had to be regressed to remember everything around that
UFO siding, And then if you're laying next to your partner,
they could be quote unquote turned off during an entire
event that you may remember the entire thing. So it's
just strange that they don't seem to get it perfect
all the time. And does it have more to do
with them or more to do with us or maybe
a little bit of both.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you wonder if they're doing it on purpose. That
one doesn't sound like it was on purpose.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And you hear people waking up and they've got their
big clothes on inside out, or they wake up and
they're outside their house and they're locked out at three
o'clock in the morning. You hear about those things as well.
But and also with my hypnotic memories. I don't know
if they're really you know, I don't know if i'm
my mind. Is I know so much about this stuff
that my subquonscious just made it up? Or have I
such a fascination with it because it was happening to
me and there was something coming through that made me
want to know more about this. But I can tell
you about another thing that came up under hypnosis, which
is kind of linked to this thing with the clothes.
I was taken through a past life progression like fifteen
years ago, and that's all it was. There was no
mention of aliens or UFOs. I didn't ask her to
take me to any memories like that. And I saw
a past life in Venice and I think the sixteenth century.
And I saw the death of that past life and
I found myself like as a ball of lighte floating
looking down on the body. And then I just started
drifting away, and that the hypnotherapist was saying to me,
I just drift away, Just drift away, don't you know,
hanging onto that life. We're going to go somewhere else.
Just tell me the first thing you see. And the
first thing I saw I was lying on a table
with a gray on my right left and two on
my right, and I was terrified. In that hypnotherapist's office,
it was like it was all coming back to me,
and it was like an instant thing, like somebody flicked
a switch and I went from zero to one hundred instantly.
And the hypnotherapist said that she could see my muscles
quivering because I was so scared that I was on
the table, and they did some stuff and they got
me off the table, and they walked me along in
this room. And it wasn't a very bright room. It
was quite dark around the sides, and it was circular,
and I had this vision that they must have been
planted in my mind, where I was in a forest
and like an area the size of a football field
had been cleared, so it was all just tree stumps,
and there was a planet in the sky and it
was very very close, much closer than the Moon. It
was too close to for reality because Earth's gravitational field
and magnetic field they'd interfere with each other. But there
was a pathway coming off that planet. Where we were standing.
There's all these other adults and all these children dressed
in white were coming down this pathway and the adults
were greeting them all and it was all big hugs
and big smiles. And then I had this message in
my mind that said, when the planets meet, the children
will return. And the next thing, I'm back in that
room with them one either side of me. They lead
me to the wall. A hole opens up in the
wall and it's a cookie cutter shape of me and
I can pass through it perfectly. But it doesn't go
into a hallway or another room. It's just this massive,
energetic space. It's just full of color and it's all
shimmering and moving around, and I'm going out one hundred
miles an hour, and I get the senses other adults
are the humans in there. And the next thing, I
land in a very long, thin, white room with all
these chairs that are kind of part of the wall
and the floor. They're not separate from the construction, and
there's clothes everywhere, and there's two grays, and I get
this message there's other adults there, and the messages no
one goes home till you've got your clothes on. And
I walk down to the end of this long, thin room.
There's a hole in the floor and I just stepped
through it and the next thing I'm back at my
flat in London and I went to bed and they
woke up the next day, no memory of it. But
that makes me think about that bit with the nobody
gets home until they've got their clothes on. I can
see how if you're a human there, you're terrified you
might spot your on, your pajamas, your big clo and
just quickly put them on. You want to get out
of there. You don't care if they're inside out or not.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, yeah, because I always get the flash of
them putting your clothes back on, and they just don't
realize because they don't wear pjs to bed or maybe
even sleep, that they're inside out. But that's interesting because
maybe it's you just wanting to get the heck out
of there, just putting them on as you took them off. So,
I mean, that actually makes quite a lot of sense,
to be honest with you.
Speaker 3: But some mean, doesn't that tick you off a little
bit when you hear about how you may not.
Speaker 2: Have Well, that's another question I should ask after here
I go on my tangents.
Speaker 3: Uh, doesn't it tick you off a little?
Speaker 2: Bit that they've done this to you and taken you
these places, if in fact this did happen.
Speaker 4: No, No, it doesn't really. Maybe it's just some so
interested almost like part of my own research, that this
is coming up. And I did talk to Steve Neil.
He said that he's had these experiences throughout his life
and he consciously remembers them. It's not like using hypnosis.
And even he doubted it. And I think he's maybe
seventeen now, and he said, just a couple of years
ago he kind of sent a message out into the
universe like thinking and meditating, is this real? Can you
do something? Can you prove to me this is real?
It really happened to me. Because the thing with him
is he has multiple witnesses as well. It's not just
the only things he's experienced. There's other times people have
seen stuff with him. That he woke up one night
and his wife was missing, and he checked the whole
house and could not find her anywhere. And after he
checked it all downstairs, he came up and the found
her asleep in the bed and she was no, I
didn't get up, I haven't been anywhere. And then a
couple weeks later in the morning, his wife said to him,
you were gone last night. I couldn't find you anywhere,
and then suddenly you just were back in the bed.
So maybe that was them reacting to his question. And
I'm wondering, maybe I should try that put her question
out into the universe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to say that very same thing
if you had ever if you had.
Speaker 3: Ever tried that.
Speaker 2: Obviously you do have a connection with something out there
and they are interested in you.
Speaker 3: So I do wonder if you put that out there
what you would get back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wonder if because going back to another hypnotic memory,
I'll just say this one quickly. Before I was born
into this life, during the past life aggression, I found
myself in a space, a spirit guide standing on my left,
two grays in front of me, and they said, this
next life you're going to live, will you do it
for us? You always have your lives which are to
help your soul so your soul can progress, but we'd
really like you to be a messenger in this next life.
So I agree to that. So I'm wondering, if you
know I've got to this point of being a messenger,
And so they're like, well, no, we don't need to
do anything. He's doing the job. We don't need to
prove anything to him.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Well that's even the title of one of Mike's books,
The Messengers, right yeah, hm wow. No, I love the
tangents of never apologize for that. I'm all about that.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So let's talk a little bit about some specific instances
from the chapter High Strangeness. I chose just a couple
just to give people a taste of what they can
expect from this hefty book. So first up, I picked Eric.
I don't know if I want to say his name, right,
Nat Nancio, Nanciel.
Speaker 4: Nan Steele, I think, oh yeah.
Speaker 3: Nan Steele.
Speaker 2: Okay, way off, Samsonite, all right, yeah, so let's talk
Let's talk a little bit about Eric. Yeah, thank you,
you you know something, you know, what's up?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Because he also is mentioned in another chapter, and I
chose him for that very next portion as well. So yeah,
let's talk about Eric in this very first portion of
High Strangeness and his follows over into the Hybrid's chapter. Actually,
but yeah, let's talk about this first part.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's where he had experiences. I think it
was like twenty six years before the last time he
remembers anything. But then things are starting to happen again,
but he can't put his finger on it. It's just weirdness.
So he puts a sign up on the wall. He's
got a picture of a gray on it and says, basically,
you know, show yourselves to me. I'm not going to
hurt you. I want to know what's happening. And two
weeks later he comes to floating in his garage and
he's a few inches off the ground and he's leaned
forward at a thirty degree angle and there's a gray,
four foot gray in front of him, and this grace
sends him a message that says something like, we can't
allow you to remember what we're doing because in our
superiors would find out. And that's basically the whole of
the memory. So that's that's strange. It's like this thing
of the grays almost sounding like they're in a corporate job.
You know, they don't want the boss to work out
that we've let you know about this. We'll get in trouble,
you know, we don't want to lose our pension or something,
and that is that is strange. But then I think
he started remembering more stuff after that, like they were
allowing him. I've got a feeling that did happen that
he was with the small grays and there was a
tall grain there and they mentioned how they were letting
him remember because he'd asked for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and here's that idea of asking again, right, just
giving it a shout and just asking for something, which
everyone should be careful what you ask for because you
just might get it.
Speaker 3: But I'm right there with you, Simon.
Speaker 2: I A lot of people say that, you know, and
of course I said all the time, you can't choose
what sorts of experiences you might have. They might be
horrifying and terrifying. But it is nice to hear that
most of the people that you've talked to, except for one,
has said they really wouldn't have gone back and had
it all not happen. So that's that is good to
hear because a lot of times it does get a
little or a lot dark in this subject.
Speaker 4: Yes, Yeah, particularly with missing pregnancies and the hybrids and
things that seems quite nasty. And it's just that contradiction
of they're healing people on one side, but doing that
awful stuff on the other. Side, and that kind of
segues us into that other Eric's storage when we tell
that other.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's perfect, yes please.
Speaker 4: Was that the one where he was shown all these portraits? Yes, yes,
it's like maybe twenty seven portraits. Yes, And it's all
Grazer with him, and they're kind of saying, these are
all your children, and they're all hybrids, and he says
he got quite flippant with it and started naming them.
They said, you want to name them? And he said, yeah,
that one spot, that one's McCoy, that's Kirk, that's Zulu.
And he says he thinks about it now and he
thinks that maybe that wasn't such a good idea. It's
quite flippant. But that's weird as well, and it's that
thing of it seems to be a lot to do
the whole phenomenon, a lot to do with the hybrid thing,
and it's difficult to know what it's really about. That
there are different ideas in the book, people describing what
they've been told by the aliens or what they think's happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that also makes you wonder going back to the
asking and I don't know especially and you admitted the
whole hybrid and missing pregnancies is one of the darkest
aspects of it, the absolute darkest. If you asked, and again,
I don't know if you'd want to, because this is
probably a side you'd want to forget.
Speaker 3: If you could, You're like, please, flashy.
Speaker 2: Thing me, could you ask to see them more? You know,
could you ask to get to know them? Whatever that
may look like. And you might have to go and
get regressed to even remember any of it happening.
Speaker 3: But I do wonder how much.
Speaker 2: They would be willing to allow if some people did ask.
Speaker 4: I'm sure some people do. It's it's not something i'd
want to ask, though, because another side of it is
I have a wife and two daughters, and I don't
want to be bringing that into the house. Right My
wife has said to me that there's been times she's
woken up to a really bright flash in the bedroom,
you know, this bright flash of light, and where's that
coming from? I've never woken up to that.
Speaker 2: Is that every couple of years or is that just
a couple of times since you've been together?
Speaker 4: No, actually, because we've been together a long time. She
she just said that once. I didn't ask her how
often it has happened.
Speaker 2: Oh see, and that makes you think again. You're like, oh,
is there a whole other side to this that? And
rightfully you said, I probably don't.
Speaker 3: Even want to know.
Speaker 2: And you have your daily life and you have your family,
and you don't need to be bringing that stuff around
any more than it already is.
Speaker 3: So yeah, the idea of.
Speaker 2: Having children taken from you that are rightfully yours and
then they're just they're just where they're in Zeta retculi,
and what are you supposed to do about that?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah. But also the thing is, most of the time
people describe children that are very obviously hybrids with massive eyes,
and their hair can maybe white and very fine and
not a lot of it, and very skinny. So you
couldn't have them on earth anyway, because they'd stand out
so much.
Speaker 3: It makes you wonder with them.
Speaker 2: With Eric having him name these children that he saw
the portraits of, it makes you wonder if they because
I don't think that they have super great senses of humor,
and they may not get sarcasm very well.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but.
Speaker 2: It makes you wonder if they went back and said, well,
your father named you this, and you know all the
names that he listed down the line, and they're just like, Okay,
I guess it's my name now I do. I just
wonder how there their whole dynamic works with what when
they're actually asking questions of us, do they really care
about the answer. I don't know, or maybe they're just
messing with us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, It's like because people report different things. Sometimes it
can be so loving, and they are shown a child
and women talk about having this instant maternal instinct switch
on and this love for this child, and other women
say they're disgusted by this child. They don't want anything
to do with them, and it's it's just weird how
that shows up. It's like there's some story SEV talk
tools about being brought babies to heal and as think
she can heal them, like it's some kind of energy healer.
And they brought the first one and she tried to
work on that, and they brought the next one, and
these babies were wrapped up in lots and lots of cloth,
and this baby started rolling away from her off the table,
so she quickly grabbed the cloth, but the baby kept
rolling and they stopped it before it came off the table,
but all the cloth was gone, and she said the
baby's neck was like the width of her little finger.
Had a normal baby's head and this tiny little neck,
and it didn't seem very well at all. But when
you see the grays, they've got such a tiny little
neck on their underneath their massive heads as well.
Speaker 2: Have you ever found any any strange marks on your
body over the years?
Speaker 4: No, No, I don't think so. No. No, I'm trying
to think of her. I know, wouldn't I I'd be
able to say right now.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 4: And I've talked to a lot of people who've had
all sorts of marks on their bodies, and you know,
the scoop marks and little pin spot markings. Like Sevtok
talks about this perfect ex that's marked out in nine
little red dots, and she tries to ignore it. She's
trying to ignore the whole alien experience thing. And two
weeks later, she wakes up and there's another red X
on her body and it's that was for her, that
was I can't ignore this anymore. Because she woke up
at night and she looked back over her shoulder and
there was a gray behind her doing something, and she
was kind of paralyzed, so she couldn't stop it. And
it's like she was awake for just three or four
seconds and she saw him, and that's the next morning
she woke up. And so the marks on the body
and also injuries to the body that are internal. There's
a couple I think they're in the book, and they
talk about having these terrible stomach aches and losing enormous
amounts of weight and then they're coughing up blood and
they go and see the doctor. And she sees the doctor,
and two weeks later is his appointment. So she goes
in and they put a camera down and he says,
there's something in your stomach. It looks like an ulcer,
but I don't think it is, and it's bleeding. There's
an injury down there, and I don't know how that
could happen. I've never seen anything like this. And then
she goes with her partner to the hospital. When he's
going for his examination, the doctor walks out and says, hey,
what are you doing here, and she says, this is
my husband. He's got the same problem as me. And
the doctor was only hang on two of you living
together with the same problem. So they checked the husband.
He had exactly the same injury that far down in
his stomach, and the doctor just could not explain where
this injury came from. But they're identical, the same depth
down through the throw into the stomach, and they both
know that they're alien abductees. They have memories of this stuff,
not through hypnosis. But she said, what am I going
to say? Tell the doctor it's okay, we're being abducted
by aliens. Now it makes sense the doctor will send
them to the psych wood.
Speaker 3: Simon, have you found that most people.
Speaker 2: Are encountering whatever they're encountering, they have to be regressed
to remember most all of it? Or is it fifty
to fifty? Is it all over the place? You couldn't
really say it's one or the other.
Speaker 3: More so.
Speaker 4: I take it's all over the place. I've talked to
people with extensive memories and they say, you know, almost
like a badge of honor, this is all memories that
I have. There's no hypnosis involved. And then there's other
people like the guy with me who says, I just
remember seeing a four foot owl in my bedroom. I
don't remember anything after that. And another woman I worked
with she remembered seeing the muppets outside her bedroom window
looking down on her when she was a small child.
And then there's people who have memories they're in the bedroom,
the grays come in, there's all these lights, they're lifted
up off the bed and that's the end of the memory.
So they have conscious memories of encountering the grays, but
they don't know exactly what happened on board the craft
or whatever happened to them. So, yeah, it's all over
the place.
Speaker 2: People that have owls or muppets or.
Speaker 3: Captain Hook.
Speaker 2: Do you think that those people have what we could
just maybe blanket term as more terrifying experiences and so
maybe this screen memories needed to be implemented more with
those people.
Speaker 4: Well, when they talk about when they're small children and
they have those screen memories, they talk about it as
being fun that the monk is in the bedroom of
fun or the clowns in the bedroom of fun. For
a lot of people now clowns are a horror movie
thing that are very scary. That this was happening to
him in the early sixties and as a little boy,
he thought clowns were hilarious. And so it's like there's
the different stages as when you're four or five, it's
that kind of thing. It's fun. And then you get
to eight, nine and ten and you suddenly in a
classroom environment and they're teaching you things. And I've got
a chapter about the classroom in my book. And then
moving forward from there, you get into adolescence and suddenly
you can reproduce that seems to be where it turns
nasty and they're interested in your body. So up to
that point, a lot of the time it's not terrifying.
It's only when they start doing these physical examinations and
they take eggs from women and they take sperm from men,
and they can just be doing nasty things. Like there's
a guy who said that that often they would have
this rod. This is something I hear about often as
well from abductees, about this rod thing that the aliens have,
and they would push it in down the side of
his eye into his head, and he had his eyes
closed and he could get he knew he could see
lights flashing inside his skull. I don't know what they
were doing this, And they said they would do that often,
and it was almost as always the same side, so
that that would happen as well, so not just the
reproductive stuff. And then there's implantation of implants, which seems
to happen. They use that long rod thing as well
and put it up the nose and maybe that's inserting
something there. But people can find inserts or inserts implants
over their bodies. And uh, just talk about me again.
I was talking to a medium after I've recorded podcast
episode with her. We finished the recording, we were talking
and she just suddenly said, oh, you've been tagged. She said,
I just got an image in my mind of a
cow with a tag in its ear, and it's right ear.
And I've got a lump in my right ear lobe
that's completely painless. It's been there for decades. It's about
the size of a small p And I think that's
weird that she would say that about my right ear.
And I've got that lump in the ear lobe, So
you know, don't know what's happening with that.
Speaker 2: Ah, So maybe you do have some physical things going
on with you, Simon. I mean, how could she have
known that you had that little tiny bump in your
ear unless she had palpit You would let her palpay
it all over you.
Speaker 3: Which you didn't. How would you know that?
Speaker 7: That is?
Speaker 3: That's an interesting at the very least.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And other people have talked about quite bad injuries
as well on their bodies. Whether there was a guy
he talked about his heart, and they put the rod
into his chest and it went into his heart, and
over the months he wasn't feeling so good, and he
went to the doctors. They'd loads of tests and the
doctor said to him, you have a hole in your heart,
and it's so big. I'm surprised you're still alive, It said,
the heart. The blood is coming into your heart and
then moving through it so quickly, it's not getting a
chance to be oxygenated from your breathing. And there was
another person who would have these. It called them nose bleeds,
but it was just a transparent liquid and it tasted horrible.
And they looked up inside his nose and the skull
was broken. There was a hole, and they could see
his brain sitting on the whole, and this was cerebral
fluid that was coming out. And he said he could
remember them with the rod, like putting it right up
into his nose. So he thinks that's where that came from, all.
Speaker 3: Right, there. It's just so it's so all over the place.
And then you go, did they mean to make.
Speaker 2: The hole in the heart that big or a hole
at all? Did he they mean to puncture his brain?
So the CFS just runs through. Did they did they
mess up?
Speaker 3: You know? Do we get alien malpractice when they screw
these things up?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 2: They just send you home and then you have these
horrible side effects from whatever it is. And half the time,
or maybe more or less depending on who you're talking to,
they can't even remember why that's happened. So I appreciate
that you did say even in your own regressions, you
kind of go, what you know, is that me putting
those those memories in there because I am so interested
in this and I do this research and I do
the podcast, so it it. I do appreciate that you
said that. But you've also actually seen things. You know,
you've seen that very upclose craft and a couple of
craft you've seen, so things have gone on, so you're
not making that part up. And that goes back to again,
just I wonder if you did ask for more confirmation,
which can get scary because you don't want to in
your house at three in the morning like usual, but
if you kind of go you know, I do wonder
if give me confirmation if these regressions were one hundred
percent actual memories or if I am putting that in
there myself. You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah. One of the things though, is that I was
so terrified, and it's almost like if I was just
making it up, would I be able to get myself
to that level of terror?
Speaker 3: That's true, that is true.
Speaker 2: I forgot that you said you were absolutely terrified for
part of that. So yeah, especially if you're you said
your muscles were tensing of you were having a physical
reaction to going back to that point in your memory.
So I don't know, I don't I couldn't imagine that
something made up or something that you maybe even considered
possibly could be just a dream would make you react
like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And this is just as an aside. This
is one of the things we look at and past
life regression that people go into pass lives and can
be so emotional, and it's like, well, if you're just
making it up, then where's this emotion coming from. It's
almost like when I see my clients crying, I know
that's a good result because something's coming through the energy
and the emotions and something's being cleared and and it's
a joke in my house. Now, I finished a session
and I go out the room and my wife will
say how'd it go? And I say, well, I made
them cry and she said, yeah, excellent, well done.
Speaker 2: No, there's something to that. I can understand that totally.
That means you really got down to at least partially
the heart of it, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So.
Speaker 3: When do you You may not know. It sounds like
there's a lot to still work through. It's a huge subject,
as you well know.
Speaker 2: When should we expect Volume two to come out?
Speaker 4: Well, maybe November or December. I can't be sure. I
have to see how it goes. How busy I am. Yeah,
And you know Steven Spielberg's new films coming out in
a couple of weeks, and I'm wondering if people that
will bring more people interested in that, And I hope so.
And there's been some interesting stuff in the trailer. Yeah,
I just hope it isn't disappointing in the end.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean talking about screen memories. Right in the trailer,
it shows what looks like a deer and then the
camera pans around, and it's not a deer with its
big black eye. It is in alien gray and it's
big black I so he's definitely going off some of
the well known tropes there. So I wonder how that
movie is going to be well. Simon again that this
is volume one. Everybody, We just tiny tiny tiny touched
on a few things, and he was nice enough to
give us a few little snippets for lying two. But
this book Aspects of Alien Abduction, Shocking UFO Encounters. Let's
talk just for a couple of minutes about your two
podcasts though, Alien UFO Podcasts and our Paranormal after Life.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So I think it's a thousand episodes now, I
think I saw that the other day, and it's not
something I really follow because I think there's some podcasts
they've got to a thousand episodes, do a big episode
about it and loads of social media stuff. But it's like,
there are hour long interviews for most of the episodes,
and most of the guests are authors, and I ask
them for permission to read an extract from their book,
so I read ten minutes. So there's an episode that's
ten minutes long, and that's just an extract from their book.
And then there's also the interview episodes, so up a
thousand episodes, maybe six or seven hundred are interviews and
the rest of these ten minutes and the ten minuters
get just as many downloads as the interviews, and I
do find them to be really good for putting, you know,
the story across and what's happening with these people. So yeah,
those podcasts are on Spotify and Apple and everywhere. I
think maybe thirty five podcast apps. I don't have a
YouTube channel, so it's all audio. And yeah. So and
I've got these two book, Verified Near Death Experiences and
Aspects of Alien Abduction, and they're on Amazon and you
can get them on paperback and kindle and audio book
and the audiobooks on Spotify as well. And it's interesting
because I drop a name now and Richard Dolan told
me that with his publications he found that half of
the sales at audio these days. And I wasn't going
to do an audio book, and I thought, oh god, great,
now I've got to record an audio book. But so
I've done that. You know, it's not like I can
say I haven't got the equipment or the know how
how to record me speaking right, that's how it's come out.
It's amazing how many people listening to it on audio,
and the feedback I get is really good, so that's
a relief.
Speaker 2: We have that lovely accent simon that everyone loves, so
that that also helps. And oh, I also saw that
you have two fictional works as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one of them's I've taken offline. One of them's
just a load of science fiction short stories. And yeah,
that's what notuched the plug there. Really it's science fiction
short stories and they're all completely different from each other.
And the other book, it's called it, Immortal Suicide, is
a science fiction novel. And I was talking to a
guy who does lots of publishing on Amazon, and he goes,
you called the book immortal suicide. I said, yeah, he goes,
But the word suicide to trigger word. Amazon's algorithm won't
bring it up if people are searching for science fiction.
It's like you killed your book. So I'm doing a
bit of a rewrite and I'm going to rename it
and all that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Even on Amazon, you can't use the S word. Huh.
Speaker 4: I suppose you can. They didn't lock it. They just
just don't let it come up in search.
Speaker 3: That's not good. Yeah, that is a that is no viney.
Speaker 2: What about any social media that you wanted to plug, Simon, Well.
Speaker 4: I'm on Instagram and I've got a private Facebook group,
and the private Facebook group is private because doing hypnotherapy,
people can come on and discuss that and this client
confidentiality and that kind of thing. And then this Instagram
is our paranormal afterlife with an underscore between each word.
Speaker 2: I will make sure to link all of this in
the show notes everywhere, Simon, and I really appreciate you
coming on, and I look forward to our next chats.
We're going to talk about near death experiences and past
life next time. And then of course I.
Speaker 3: Hope that you come back on when volume two comes out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'd really like it. It seems like we've
only done ten minutes. Just a sign enjoying it, I.
Speaker 3: Know, and I actually behave myself quite well. I did not.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I have a hard time landing my plane when
I'm asking questions, and I have a thousand flights that
I do, and so I.
Speaker 3: Reined it in pretty good today. I'm proud of myself.
But thank you so much. Simon.
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my parents.
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a little bark. But it says, forget it, that's not
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something different, there being somewhere else. They will say. Reincarnation
means this that if you sitting here now are really
convinced that you're the same person folded.
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don't get.
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to read your newspapers, and you're not the same person
uh the platform. If you think you are, you are
linking your movements up in the check. And this is
what nine sees the wheel. When you know that every
moment which you are is the only moment. This comes
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have a walk across the room and it can be back,
And he says, where are your foot?
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Speaker 9: So where are you?
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