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Speaker 1: Off a weekend that has seen Keith Sean Davis become

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a world champion. It has seen what is this an

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American and a main event contender fight get a split

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decision on British soil. Yeah it happened. It is also

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in Arnold Barboza. It is also seen Oscar Duarte get

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a knockout. We're ready to recap all of these fights

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go over, some news go over, some nostalgia and much more.

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It is the Fight Freaks Unite Recap podcast. I am

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the somewhat capable host TJ.

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Speaker 2: Reeves. He's our insider Dan.

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Speaker 1: Rayfield from the Fight Freaks to Night Substack and newsletter.

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Always good to be with you off the weekend. I'm

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glad you're feeling better. We keep talking about this. If

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fans were with us on the bet Us show, that

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could hear you at the end of the show. You

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are better. You are better. You're on the mend and

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we had some good action this weekend that we're going

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to go over. So how are things as we come

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off the weekend here and head into a new week.

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Speaker 3: Things are good. I can't pronounce myself one hundred percent,

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but if I had a play today i'd be able

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to play.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: You were a game time decision on this pod and

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you did make it for the most time.

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before that. You get the the Joseph Parkers well, you

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your way, previewing going into the weekend and recapping like

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this coming off the weekend. I will say this, I'm

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looking forward to talking about all the action, but Rayphael,

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the best fights plural of the weekend were the first

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nine seconds of USA Canada hockey, which they dropped the

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gloves at.

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Speaker 2: The opening face off.

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Speaker 1: And I know you don't pay attention to hockey, but

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this is a big deal in Canada where they hate

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US right now and they booed the national anthem. This

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was riveting stuff Big Dan where there were three separate

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square offs in the first nine seconds of the game

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with short penalties. I think on the first fight, the

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Canadian wonted over one of the Kachuck brothers. Keith Kuchuk's

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sons are outstanding hockey players.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm officially getting old.

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Speaker 1: But Matthew Kulchuk, the second brother, he won the fight

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with the Canadian who is his teammate, Raypiel. Get a

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load of this. They are teammates on the Florida Panthers,

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all right. The first fight happens on the opening face off.

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They're on the bench and Matthew Kuchuk is looking at

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his teammate who's playing for Canada. He goes Benny, the

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nickname of Sam Bennett, you and me right now, and

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they both jumped over the ice and on the next

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putt drop they fought and.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and then a.

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Speaker 2: Another fight happened right after that that.

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Speaker 1: This was amazing in the US won the hockey game,

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but I just thought I would share. The internet has

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been a blaze with that opening part of that international

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series that they're playing instead of the NHL loll Star Game.

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I just thought I would share that some outstanding fight

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action not just limited to a boxing ring. So there

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you go. With the hockey. We acknowledge that we acknowledge

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any good fisticuffs here, but we particularly focus on this

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sweet science and let's do that, shall we. Let's recap

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the ESPN top rank card in the main event where

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Kishan Davis did in fact, when the WBO lightweight title

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with booming shots to the body, including one that Dennis

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Berenschek could not get up from in the end, and

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Speaker 2: All right, your thoughts go ahead.

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Speaker 3: Not a surprise whatsoever. I always felt going into this

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fight TJ that he was going to dominate the fight.

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route with a experienced guy with a great amateur background

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or is it to get a gat him out of there?

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the body punches and they were just devastating. Was the

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sloppy kind of fight, not really so much because of Kishan,

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all over the place. Made for a little bit of

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a mess. Not a lot of punches landed from either

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of either of the guys. Branchik never landed in my estimation,

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through the three plus rounds, you know, any legitimate, actual

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noticeable punch of consequence Kishan, though, if you looked at

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the I looked at the comy box, he landed. He

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was credited with landing six body punches in the fight

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in four rounds, four of them scored. Two of them

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rather score knockdowns. He had him on the deck earlier

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in the fight, and then he put him away with

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a nice shot right to the to the liver area,

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and it was all she wrote. He was on his knees.

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I mean, I thought a star was born. I've been

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saying for the last while, ever since he got the

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no contest because he failed the marijuana test. And then

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he basically I don't know if he had a moment

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of clarity or you know, had a heart to heart

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with Urtar, talk with himself, whatever the case may be,

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he decided that he's not gonna smoke weed anymore. And

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apparently he's been keeping true to that, and it's I

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think it's been a revelation he was getting by on

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his natural ability. Not to say he wasn't putting in

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the work, but he was getting by on you know

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what he had. Now I feel like he's finally reaching

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the potential that so many people saw in him coming

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out of the Olympics, that he's really becoming not just

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a good quality pro, but an elite quality pro.

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Speaker 1: We'll get back to the fight in a second, but

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how much do you think Terrence Crawford as an influence

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as a veteran and Brian McIntyre's a big time trainer,

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Trainer of the year caliber trainer every year. How much

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do you think that influence has helped him grow up?

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If you will and see what.

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Speaker 3: We're saying, no question about it. I mean that that

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group of guys that they have in that BnB camp

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in Omaha absolutely is helpful. I think that his own

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decisions to handle his life outside during better is more

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important to get all that together. But you can't go

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wrong when you've got that group of guys, Brian, Terrence, Crawford,

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Red Spikes, the whole team that's in that gym there,

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they are together, They've got good chemistry, they know what

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they're doing, and Crawford has been a great mentor to him.

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I did find it interesting. Not it doesn't mean a

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whole lot, but when you think about it, here you

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have Keishan Davis. He wins the WBO lightweight title with

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Terrence Crawford, you know, his mentor sitting ringside shouting instructions

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at him. And the belt that he won was the

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same belt that Terrence Crawford won several years ago. That

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was his first world title when he went overseas to

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the UK and he won that same WBO lightweight title belt,

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I mean, I can't say I'm surprised I picked up

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Keishawan Davis as the twenty twenty two prospect of the year.

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He had had a fantastic amateur career. To me, the

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only thing about him was is he gonna keep his

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mind straight and do an vision on boxing and put

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all the other stuff out of the out of the

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out of his mind. Now he's had, you know, and

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he's been very open about it. His mental health issues,

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which were legit when he was a teenager, staying literally

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as a impatient in a in a mental health facility

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and having all kinds of issues at home. But he

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you know, he seems in a good spot. He's got

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a new baby, seems to be in a healthy relationship,

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got a good team behind him. Things with top ranker

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going well. Things with his promotion and his and his

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management and his training team is going well. His brothers

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are having success in the pros. His younger brother, Kean

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one uh, looked really good in a second round knockout

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on the under cart of this fight. So right now

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things are going good. You just hope that he can

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stay on the even keel and keep doing this thing

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because he's got a very, very bright and very lucrative future.

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He said to me on our podcast that you reference.

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He feels like, at age twenty five, he's got a

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ten year window to really make his legacy and his money.

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and have the proper attitude and be in the kind

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of shape and and just do what you're supposed to do,

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Let your managers manage, let your trainers train, let your

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promoters promote, and you do your thing in the gym

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and be prepared. This kid is going to go right

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to the top.

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Speaker 1: And one more real quick he I mean, he had

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a fairly easy night at the File. The fight went

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a little bit of a distance. How soon do you

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think we'll see him? Because here I come back to

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the same thing we always talk about. Get him back

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in the ring June July something like that. Get him active,

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get him back in the ring defending that title. Is

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that realistic?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, I'm very confident in in as long as

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he's healthy and knowing how top rank candles their business,

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as long as they can, as long as you know

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tia Fimo was in a similar situation back a few

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years ago when he won a title, but they had

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all kinds of issues with him. They don't have those

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kind of issues with the with the Kishan team. Everything

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seems to be going well, and you know, things can

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change on the dime. It's the boxing business. But if

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things are going the way they are, I don't have

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any doubt in my mind that we'll see Kishan Davis

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in the ring probably three times this year. I mean'll

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be a beautiful thing if they get him in there

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four times, but most likely you are looking at a

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time at a spring like summertime, return another fight in

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the fall. There's no doubt in my mind, and they

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are they look he had the fight prior to the

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championship fight at home in Norfolk. He won the title

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in New York City. I don't know this. I'm talked

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Top Ring about it in particular, but my belief, my

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reading the tea leaves sort of knowing how they like

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to do their business. Two things. A first defense in Norfolk,

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obviously that makes more sense. They'll sell out again, It'll

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be a larger gate. He'll have a great homecoming. And

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then in this I do know for a fact because

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I have talked to Top Ranking about this. Keishaan Davis

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is from Norfolk Fridging. It's about a three hour three

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and a half hour drive from the Washington DC area

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where I live. Washington, d C. Is an extraordinarily underrated

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and underutilized boxing city. They have great fans here. They're

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supportive when you bring a real fight. They're especially supportive

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of black fighters. I've seen this for twenty five years

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of living here. I've been to many fights in the district,

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in and around the region, and Top Rank has their

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eye on Washington, d C. As a place to make

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a second home for Kishon Davis, where they have folks

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that will make the trip from Norfolk to the to

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the city. There's good arenas here. It's got a great

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boxing scene, got good gyms. They have a young fighter

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on their roster also who's from Alexandria, Virginia, which is

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right outside of Washington. It's like the next down over

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from where I live, which is where Troy Issley, the

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United States Olympian who was Kishon's teammate, is from. He's

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a rising, undefeated middleweight contender. And they've got other fighters

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that they could populate that card with, whether it's Kishon's brother,

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his older brother or his younger brother, and just others

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on the roster. And Abdullah Mason would go well in

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the Washington to DC area fight. He looked good on

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the undercart. My point is there's gonna be a game

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plan for Kishon Davis. He's going to be a superstar

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if he keeps doing what he's able to do and

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putting all the negativity about what happened with Dray stuff

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that went on in New York. We don't have to

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rehash the nonsense about the package that got sent to

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his room and all that. He dealt with that like

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a pro put it out of his mind and went

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in there and just kicked ass. Basically, that's the bottom line.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again we didn't talk about it on the preview.

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on and on about it. But obviously there's something didn't

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add up on who delivered this. Because Keyshan's team believes

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it's a member of Baron Chick's team that delivered it.

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It seems to me if it's a delivery that a

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hotel person would have been doing that. That's the only

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thing that didn't make sense to Metel.

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Speaker 3: So it's not like they couldn't have figured out where

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Kishan's room was. Well, I'm just saying it's not out

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of the realm.

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Speaker 1: But he would have access to his room from Baronchick's

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team to get in the room and put something in there.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it was in the room. I

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thought it was me outside the room.

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Speaker 1: I thought I thought it was left in the room

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as well last night, And they have a social media

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photo of it. And again the whole racial trope about

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bananas and water, water melons and all of that was what.

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Speaker 2: Was in it. So Hey, just make.

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Speaker 1: I mean it makes it makes you more motivated to

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beat the crap out of you, to do things.

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Speaker 3: Like exactly, and that's pretty much what he did, because yes,

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you know, that's uh, that's that for for a for

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a messy kind of fight that they had. That was

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the domination Tishaw was saying before the fight, even before

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all the nonsense happened with him getting pushed it the

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weigh and in the thing you mentioned about the delivery,

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he was saying, I want to knock him out in

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the first round. Okay, didn't get him in a round one,

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but he basically did everything else and got him out

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of there at four and then and then absolutely one

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sided ask kicking, So yes, sure, Baronchek's uh, you know, brief.

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Speaker 2: The brief reign is over.

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Speaker 1: Davis wins it with the the fourth round body shot,

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and we looked for him soon.

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Speaker 3: I can't expect we're gonna be talking about Keishaan Davis

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down the road for a very long time.

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Speaker 2: A bunch all right on the undercart.

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Speaker 1: Immediately before the co features saw Xander Zaiyez get his

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t KO of the German opponent who was tough, slow

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as Spomer Womer actually hurt him. Briefly, Flash kind of

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buzzed him with a shot, but eventually Zaias wore him down,

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got the stoppage. That's me saying that give me a little,

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give me a little recap here on the recop pod.

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Speaker 3: Would you say, yeah, I thought he's listening. Xander looked good.

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I mean I've been waiting for him to show something.

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I mean not that he hasn't been impressed, because he's

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won most of his fights very easily. He doesn't really

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lose rounds, hasn't been knocked down. But to me, the

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thing I liked about it was that, you know, he

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he's never shown like the most massive power, but he

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did break the guy down. He's you know, he's still

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only twenty two, so I still feel like he's not

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gotten quite the full level of the man strength that

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they talk about in boxing, and it's coming at this point.

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It's getting there. And uh, like you said, he took

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a rugged, durable guy like Spoelmer. Uh, you know he

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was older obviously, but you know, had Roy Jones in

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his corner. I had never been stopped to tell Xander

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took care of him, and uh, he looked good. It

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put the punches together. He whatever the issues you were,

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I know what you're talking about. There was that one

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moment where it looked like he got cracked really real,

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real good, and he.

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Speaker 2: Had hit on the chin and buckled a little bit.

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Speaker 3: But you want to see a young fighter like that,

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you know, you never want to find out because hopefully

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you never get hit, but if you do get tagged,

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the idea is how did you react? He reacted like

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you're supposed to react. He got through it. It was brief,

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he didn't cause him a lot of trouble, and he

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came back swinging and that to me, so some people

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may view it as a negative that he got hit.

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I looked at it as a positive because, okay, boxing,

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you're going to get hit. You showed that you've got

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the ability to take that kind of punch, brush it

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off and come back and keep kicking ass. And the

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fact he was able to stop Spoemer was impressive to

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me because, like I said, does Xander for all the

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positive things I would like to I could say about him,

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the big time punching power isn't really one of those things.

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And this was not a devastating, like one punch knockout.

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But it was he had his man hurt, he kept

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his gas pedal, he kept the foot on the gas pedal,

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and he forced he really forced the referee, Charlie Fitch

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to stop to fight. I thought it was a great

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stoppage from that referee. Spoember was done and now I'd

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like to see his step up a little bit to

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an actual like top Tennis one hundred and fifty four pounder.

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Spumer was not that guy. He was probably the best

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guy that he fought so far. But I feel like

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that there's definitely another level that Xanderkins fight at. And

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you know, he again, he's not done anything wrong so

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far as a pro. He's still undefeated, got good looking style,

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in great shape, works his ass off, and you know,

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I've been following him feels like forever because he turned

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pro at seventeen.

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Speaker 1: All right. Rest of the card video Mel Nicky as

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somebody we were talking about that might fight Xander's Eyez.

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They actually fought at middleweight, he and Connor Coyle. It's

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ruled a draw. Let's talk about that. And then what

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else from an interesting undercard that did have Abdullah Mason

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on it. It had Rohan Polanco not to be confused

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with Roman Polanski I like to make you smile from

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the bet Us Show and it had Jared Anderson. What

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what in the Marcus of Queensberry was that? All right,

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so give me some recaps. Start with mel nick and

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then we'll rapidly go through.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So, as you mentioned, this was Milnikey who had

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been fighting as a junior middleweight. This was him in

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his first middleweight fight against Connor Coyle, undefeated Irish fighter

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and Connor Coyle fought a really good fight and a

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fight where Milnicky was the clear favorite going in. It

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just didn't really look that good to me. I mean,

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first of all, First things first, it was a fun

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fight to watch, putting aside where you think these two

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fighters are in their careers, or where they're going or

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what their level is, just as entertainment, man, it was

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a good fight. They were going after each other and

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showed good hearts and all credit to them for making

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an entertaining fight. But in terms of their longer range

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where they can go in the sport, I mean, I

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have nothing bad to say about Vito milnike the person whatsoever,

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but the amount of hype that this kid has gotten

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for such little that he has delivered in terms of

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actual skills and ability, in my opinion, is very stark.

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He has been hyped up before Top Rank got a

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hold of him and started hyping up. It was the

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same old song with PBC. And you know, maybe I

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don't know what I'm looking at, but I don't see it,

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my friend.

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Speaker 1: I see a guy that I have been with you

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for going on three years on this podcast and you've

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said it probably three or four times before now, and

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you said it going into this fight.

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Speaker 2: I don't see it.

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Speaker 1: And this only, I think reinforced it for you just

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just said that he could not decisively win here over

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Connor Coyle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So again, you know, if he keeps working hard

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and maybe he can improve and this and that, I

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don't certainly would be happy to see him be very successful.

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Connor Coyle too, for that matter. Veto Now is a

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regional area fighter who gets on these types of cards

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because he does have a fun style to watch, There's

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no doubt about that. And he does sell some tickets

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and obviously that's an important factor when you're doing these

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types of events. So he brought in a good crowd.

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He's from New Jersey, so for him to fight at

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a place like the Madison Square Garden Theater, there's gonna

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be folks that turn out for him. Maybe they will

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do Exander's Eyes fight at some point obviously that would

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think that would mean that Xander would probably have to

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go up to middle eight, which is probably gonna happen

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in the you know, in the not too distant huge anyway.

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Or maybe they needed a catchwaight or something like that.

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But right now, if you make sanders iis against Vitel Milniky,

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to me, that's a mismatch. Anders Ies beats him easily.

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So it was a draw. Like I said, good fight,

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but I don't I don't really see either one of

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these guys developing or moving on to like legit championship

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level opposition or winning those types of fights. So that

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was the That was the opener of the three fight

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main card. But in terms of the rest of the

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Undercar top rank, you know, it was the like the

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first their first well they did that, they were involved

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with the Inaway Show earlier, but this was their first,

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you know American show of two thousand and u and

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twenty five, and you know what they put on a

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lot of their top young guys, So I thought it

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was good in terms of guys getting the reps. You mentioned.

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Abdulla Mason, we all know is one of the best

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prospects I'm boxing. I had a number two on my

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list at the end of last year, right behind Moses

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tom Of, the excellent nineteen year old British heavyweight. But

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Mason keeps doing his thing. He was fighting a solid

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guy in Manuel Jaimes and you know, he did his stay.

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He took this dude out. I mean it was very

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impressive combinations. You know. Mason, you know, still very young fighter.

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He hasn't yet even achieved his so called man strength.

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He's only twenty years old, DJ and he's already seventeen,

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you know, with fifteen knockouts, and he's not fighting complete

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fucking stiffs. You know, Manuel Hines is not. I mean,

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I'm not telling you he's like a you know, an

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elite fighter. But you know what, he went to distance

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with Roly Romero in his previous fight Roly Romero. People

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wanted to talk about how he's got excellent punching power. Now,

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granted that fight was like a nine to one fight

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on the scorecards against Roly, but he hung in there

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for ten rounds against a guy that people make out

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to be a purported puncher, which I don't necessarily agree with,

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and Abdulla Mason went in there and absolutely shredded him

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and that's a solid win in my book. So that

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was one of those undercard fights. And then you look

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at the other guys, Well, if you open up the show,

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and I'm not saying he's a big prospect, but the

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great you know, you're you're, you're man, the grandson, Oh

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Muhammad Ali was beaten in the old he was. So

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he lost his sixth round decision to Wan Carlos Garrett Junior.

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You know what, I was glad to see that the

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judges got it right. It was a split decision, but

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I thought that Gara was the definite winner, you know,

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and they got it right on the money, like a

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four to two type of fight.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Look, Nico Ali wash, nice kid, hard worker, obviously got

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the great bloodlines and uh and all that. But at

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this stage with a couple of losses now against the

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level of losses against those types of opponents, you know,

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I don't know where he's gonna go in terms of,

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you know, to the top level. Now if he wants

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to keep on boxing and and uh having fun, enjoying

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himself and and uh and fighting these types of fights.

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You know, good for him, but uh, you know, I

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don't want to say he's a side show, but uh

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you know, and I know he having talked to Nico

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on a number of occasions. I know just how seriously

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he takes his uh, his his job, his professionist training. Uh. Well,

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you know, I'm just not sure he's gonna have if

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he's got the talent to advance to the next level.

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You know, it certainly would be great if he could,

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but we'll see. I doubt that I mentioned you about

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Keyon Davis. That's the younger brother of Kishan who now

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is two and oh he's a hunter. He was probably

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he's about at welterweight. He fought like about one hundred

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and fifty pounds. He looked good, knocked out a guy

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in the second round. You know, he's just getting in

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the early stages of his professional experience. We talked about

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this also earlier. My favorite prospect of all these guys

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is the Dominican welterweight Rohan Planco. Now he moved up

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now he's always been fighting like slightly over one forty,

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but now he's in he's moved up to the be

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a bona fide welterweight. They just they knew he just

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couldn't keep making even that lower weight at the low

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part of the one forties. He's he looks really good.

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He's so strong. He's an Olympian. He's now fifteen, and oh,

475
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,359
he just bludging this guy to death in two rounds.

476
00:21:35,759 --> 00:21:37,720
When I watched the way he throws his right hand,

477
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,039
it's very reminiscent just in the way that he moves

478
00:21:41,079 --> 00:21:43,680
the like if you put the if he put the

479
00:21:43,759 --> 00:21:45,920
video side by side, the way he turns over the

480
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,160
right hand and kind of bludgeons you with it. It's

481
00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:51,279
very reminiscent of the way that that Gloffkin throws the

482
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,279
right hand, a little bit like how Canelo throws the

483
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,519
right hand. I'm not sure it's got that kind of power,

484
00:21:55,559 --> 00:21:59,240
but he's doing damage. He did a guy, Geene Carlos Torres,

485
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,720
who was going into this fight not a bomb by

486
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,160
any stretch, the Puerto Rican fighter, and a guy that

487
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,839
had been on a little bit of a winning streak,

488
00:22:07,279 --> 00:22:09,359
and you know, he just took him apart. He's a

489
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:14,559
He's a very very brute brute puncher, strong, built like

490
00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:16,880
a like a you know, a brick wall. I mean,

491
00:22:17,319 --> 00:22:18,880
this is a fighter that we're gonna see a lot of.

492
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,640
I think he's going to be a name in the

493
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,519
junior walterweight division. He's very exciting and entertainment value for sure.

494
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,119
You mentioned about Jared Anderson. Are let's talk about that, TEAJ.

495
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,839
Speaker 1: Let's uh, let's get to my goodness, because I have

496
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,599
to confess I did not see this, but I got

497
00:22:32,599 --> 00:22:34,440
an alert from the guy that is doing a great

498
00:22:34,519 --> 00:22:37,160
job as the lead writer on Big Fight Weekend dot com.

499
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,200
The message was what's wrong with Jared Anderson? And I

500
00:22:40,319 --> 00:22:42,920
was out on on Friday night at this point, and

501
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,599
I texted back what happened? He said, the fight is

502
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,400
in the eighth round and he's totally ignoring his corner.

503
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,359
So again, I am aware, I read my Dan Rayfield substack.

504
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:58,039
I'm aware that he won. But I mean, at this point,

505
00:22:58,079 --> 00:23:01,000
are we now at the stage where Ared Anderson doesn't

506
00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:02,759
care anymore? And this is almost the end?

507
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 3: All right? TJ? You want to talk about want Jared Anderson?

508
00:23:08,039 --> 00:23:11,039
He was on this undercard and the reason why his

509
00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:13,640
fight was I believe the second fight of the of

510
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,720
the card was they were purposely at top rank understandably.

511
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,279
Two things here, One, no pressure come back from your

512
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,799
knockout loss where you got absolutely obliterated by Martin McCauley

513
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,160
back in August on the Terrence Crawford Majimov card, a

514
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,119
fight that top rank did not want you to take.

515
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,279
But turkeyosh cheek went directly to Jared. He was making

516
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,319
for you know, because he hasn't made huge money in

517
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,880
his carl though He's been making good mid six figures

518
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,920
and was in line to make quite a bit more.

519
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,400
But he took the opportunity. And so on the one hand,

520
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,759
you give him credit because he decided to take the

521
00:23:47,799 --> 00:23:51,599
gamble against perhaps his best interests with his own people,

522
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,480
but you give you give him a good check mark

523
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,559
for having the balls to do it. You give him

524
00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:58,200
a good check mark for showing the heart that he

525
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,559
did and taking the beating from McCully get and drop

526
00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:02,960
three times and keep getting up and coming for more.

527
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,440
So I can't question the man's heart, even if you

528
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,559
want to question his lack of listening to his own

529
00:24:08,599 --> 00:24:11,359
teams that we're looking out for him. But nonetheless, he

530
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:16,079
got back in the ring against Marius Colias, who was

531
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,640
brought there for one reason and one reason only, to

532
00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:22,079
be a speed bump, to be a bug on the

533
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,039
windshield on his way back to possible relevance. And the

534
00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:30,160
heavyweight division people at top rank purposely hid this fight deep, deep,

535
00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:33,279
deep deep on the undercard to so he could come

536
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,839
back without a lot of pressure, with a lot without

537
00:24:35,839 --> 00:24:38,119
a lot of eyeballs and just let him get it,

538
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,559
you know, take care of his business, getting you know,

539
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,119
back in the groove, away from the spotlight. You didn't

540
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:44,880
see him doing a lot of interviews before the fight

541
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,839
like he's done for previous fights where he was the

542
00:24:46,839 --> 00:24:51,160
main event, even in his hometown. Uh and and and

543
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,240
the other part of that was quick knockout, get the

544
00:24:54,279 --> 00:24:57,480
mojo back, you know, you know, patch your chest a

545
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,400
little bit, go on there and obliterate a guy. I mean,

546
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,440
that's part of the plan here. And even the old

547
00:25:02,519 --> 00:25:05,480
the people at top rank were like, listen, this fight

548
00:25:05,519 --> 00:25:08,759
shouldn't go more than one, two, three rounds. So if

549
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:11,400
you were watching ESPN Plus where they were showing these preliminaries,

550
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,480
and you popped it on and you looked at the

551
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,200
screen and you saw, Oh my god, this is in

552
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,720
the sixth round, or you saw this in the eighth

553
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:19,160
round or the ninth round or the tenth round, You're like,

554
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,720
what the hell is going on? Jared Anderson did not

555
00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:25,599
look like the more offensive minded heavyweight that we have

556
00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:28,759
seen throughout his professional career. He wasn't listening to his corner.

557
00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:31,119
He was out there plotting away. He didn't look like

558
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,920
he was in the best condition compared to what he's

559
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,079
looked in previous fights. And I kept thinking to about

560
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,160
myself after seeing the way he took a beating from

561
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,519
Bacoli and watching this meandering piece of shit performance that

562
00:25:42,599 --> 00:25:47,240
he turned in against just a a D level kind

563
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,720
of opponent, all I could think about, And this may

564
00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:52,720
date me a bit when I first started to cover

565
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:55,880
boxing for USA Today in two thousand, the red hot

566
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,039
heavyweight of the times in American boxing, who was being

567
00:25:59,079 --> 00:26:03,160
built up by HBO, who was being very, very carefully

568
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,920
handled and moved but put himself in position for a

569
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,200
title shot, was one Michael Grant. Now that may not

570
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:10,920
be a name that a lot of people recognize if

571
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,440
they're younger listen to our show, but he was the

572
00:26:14,599 --> 00:26:17,079
HBO darling. He had had a bunch of appearances, and

573
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,359
I think a lot of people saw him, even though

574
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,039
he won, get kind of really exposed badly against Andrew Galotta,

575
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,039
who was beating the shit out of him, and then

576
00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:29,720
like Andrew Galotta does quit, and you know, he survived, basically,

577
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,839
and then they rushed them into the title shot against

578
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,359
Lennox Lewis, which was my first ever heavyweight championship fight

579
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,279
as a journalist. It was my first ever official assignment

580
00:26:38,599 --> 00:26:41,440
as the full time boxing writer for USA Today, and

581
00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:45,359
Michael Grant got cleaned out in two rounds and just destroyed.

582
00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:48,160
And I keep thinking when I'm watching the way Jared

583
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,160
reacted to the punches in the Bacoli fight and the

584
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,359
way he looked in this comeback fight, I kept thinking

585
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,119
of Michael Grant because after he fought Lennox Lewis, he

586
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,640
came back and had a series of fights where you know,

587
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,480
maybe he won, but he also ended up obviously losing

588
00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:05,839
at some point too, but just never really look comfortable,

589
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,480
didn't look right, didn't look like he had his head

590
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,400
in it, and you know, ultimately, uh, you know, will

591
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,519
just be you know, a distant memory for those who

592
00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:16,920
follow boxing, and sometimes you might not even remember him.

593
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,319
So the question now is this, but Jared Anderson TJ,

594
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,759
is he going to get his mojo back and reach

595
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:25,319
the possible potential that so many people saw in him?

596
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,759
Or is he damaged goods both physically and mentally from

597
00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:31,480
the beating. And I keep thinking about the example of this.

598
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,720
It's kind of like when you tug on that thread

599
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,440
on your sock, you know, and you pull it out, Well,

600
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,720
the sock still fits, and it still wears on your foot,

601
00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:42,519
and it may not, but it doesn't get kind of like,

602
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,240
you know, it doesn't get a good grip on your ankle, right,

603
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,039
it doesn't really kind of.

604
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 1: Starts to yeah, start and then eventually unravels exactly.

605
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 3: So it's it's you. You can. You can't put Humpty

606
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:55,720
Dumpty back together again. I guess what I'm trying to say, Well.

607
00:27:55,599 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: You could, But I again come back to what I

608
00:27:58,319 --> 00:28:02,279
said to the preface. Does he care anymore? And this

609
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:06,599
didn't look like he cares that much, if at all.

610
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,480
So the first fundamental question is this, what do we

611
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,880
know because you are always in on this and your

612
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,720
constant communication with top rank, do they have several more

613
00:28:16,759 --> 00:28:19,920
fights with him? One more fight with him. Are they

614
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,200
ready to cut bait with him at this point and

615
00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:26,480
just say we tried, you got blasted by Bikoli. This

616
00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:30,359
doesn't look like you care. Good luck, farewell, God bless something.

617
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:31,279
What do we know?

618
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know the exact status of the contract,

619
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,799
but I would be rather shocked if, coming off of

620
00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:37,839
the wind as bad as it was, that they're going

621
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,640
to get rid of him, because at the very least,

622
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,480
and this is just the cold hard reality of the business,

623
00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:45,039
he'd still be a commodity as an opponent for somebody.

624
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,880
You know, they still have other they still have a Jagua,

625
00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:51,480
they still have Richard Torres, they still have others, and

626
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,599
there's other companies that always need a heavyweight opponent. So

627
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,200
they're not going to get rid of the guy. Now.

628
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,839
It's going to be up to him if he wants

629
00:28:56,839 --> 00:28:57,640
to put the work in and.

630
00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:01,079
Speaker 2: What it's you if he just says I don't want

631
00:29:01,119 --> 00:29:01,400
to fight.

632
00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: Anymore, Yeah, doesn't really want to make money?

633
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, knowing what you know and how.

634
00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:09,119
Speaker 3: I know, No, I know fighters, fighters need money. Jared

635
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,200
Anderson is not a college graduate. It's not like he's

636
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,200
gonna fall back and become you know, some professional or

637
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,640
be a lawyer or be a doctor. You know, he

638
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,559
is going to fight. He's only twenty five years old now.

639
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,400
He has said in the past, which I think turn

640
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,079
a lot of people off because he didn't really seem

641
00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:24,599
like he cared much about boxing, that he was going

642
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,640
to retire at age twenty six. And I guess the

643
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,079
joke today is maybe after that performance, you should consider

644
00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:32,039
retiring at twenty five. But look, I hope good for

645
00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:35,279
him because here's the thing. He's exciting when he was

646
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:38,039
in the fight with with with Martin Bocoley. He was

647
00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:40,359
exciting in the other fights as well, and you can

648
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,440
never have too many guys, even though they're not going

649
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,519
to be the champion, who make a good heavyweight fight.

650
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:46,480
And so, you know, Jared just got to figure out

651
00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:48,960
what's up. Does he want to really become take it

652
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,279
more serious than it seemed like he took. Maybe you

653
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,680
just give him a mulligan because there was still some

654
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,880
you know, PTSD after the fight with Boccoli, and this

655
00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:58,880
was the way to kind of shake it off. I

656
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,519
think we got to give guy another fight or two

657
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:04,000
before he make a true assessment. But the first step

658
00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:05,920
after the loss was not a good one, even though

659
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:06,640
he did win the fight.

660
00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:09,079
Speaker 1: I think I can pretty well make an assessment he

661
00:30:09,119 --> 00:30:11,960
doesn't care. I don't think he cares, and I don't

662
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,960
know that he's around after this year. I don't know

663
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,279
what else he's gonna do, but I don't know.

664
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:17,359
Speaker 2: We'll see.

665
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: You wanted to mention one more fighter, and then I

666
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,960
promise we're moving on to the match Room main event

667
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:24,240
won by Arnold Barbosa, and we also got to get

668
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,759
to the zone knockout by Oscar Duarte. Two more fight

669
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:33,079
cards to cover one more fighter, this one meetaus go ahead?

670
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Meeta Lopez de Jesus. As we've discussed before,

671
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,200
he signed with top rank Puerto Rican fighter, young kid Olympian,

672
00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:42,119
the son of the former two division world champion that

673
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,559
was also promoted for most of his career by Top Rank.

674
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:47,720
That's one. Manuel Lopez also was an Olympian and was

675
00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:50,400
a tremendous puncher and was in some very exciting, very

676
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,000
enthralling fights in his day. But anyway, this was his

677
00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:55,880
son making his professional debut. And let me tell you, TJ,

678
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,599
he looks like his father. He's got like his father,

679
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,200
He's got big shoulders, and he got good punching power,

680
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,240
and he knocked out a guy named Brian Santiago one

681
00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:06,680
and one in the first round. It was fifty nine

682
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,640
seconds and he put him on the canvas and he

683
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,759
was flat on his back, kind of shaking, like he

684
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:12,799
was almost paralyzed. He got up, his eyes were open,

685
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,319
he sat up, mostly set up, or like three quarters

686
00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:18,480
of the way he set up, but he was just

687
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:22,000
like an esthetized, like he couldn't move spectacular. Just one

688
00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:25,440
clean shot right on the chin and again this pro debut,

689
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:28,119
that's sort of what your expectation is. But Top rank

690
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,119
will most likely do what they've done with many young

691
00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:32,720
fighters like that. That will build him up in New

692
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:35,720
York City. He'll become a Puerto Rican fan favorite, and

693
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:37,119
we'll see if he's got the goods and if he

694
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:38,799
can do the kinds of things that his father did.

695
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:41,240
His father, as it turned out, did not have the

696
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,720
greatest chin in the world, that ended up getting knocked

697
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,799
out a couple of times, and also didn't live the

698
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:50,079
best lifestyle outside the ring. We'll see if his son

699
00:31:50,119 --> 00:31:51,920
take a step beyond what his father did, because in

700
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,200
his heyday, the dad was a heck of a fighter.

701
00:31:54,319 --> 00:31:57,279
Very popular was the borderline, and some people's views like

702
00:31:57,319 --> 00:31:58,839
on the lower part of a top ten pound per

703
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,440
pound with the way he was beating up guys. So anyway,

704
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,519
so yeah, he turned pro. That was the last fight

705
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,960
of the show prior to the beginning of those three

706
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,359
fights on the main card. But lots of good prospects

707
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,160
on that show, lots of interesting fights and names and

708
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,480
all that. So I enjoyed that one on Friday Night.

709
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: Okay, so we progress in the chronology on the recap

710
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,880
podcast to the match Room main event, which again Jack

711
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,759
Catterall favored over Arnold Barbosa, although it was reasonable Catterall

712
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:30,240
like a two and a half to one favorite Barbosa

713
00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:34,079
plus money like plus two twenty to win for the

714
00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:38,440
vacant interim WBO title, and you and I both thought

715
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:42,200
Caterall would get the decision. To Barboza's credit, he fought hard,

716
00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:44,880
he fought well, and as I jokingly said at the

717
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,480
top of the podcast, it's rare, but he got the

718
00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:52,559
win over the main event fighter in England, and kudos

719
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:53,960
to Arnold Barbosa for it.

720
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: I'm saying that. What are your thoughts on that main event?

721
00:32:57,079 --> 00:32:59,559
Speaker 3: My thoughts are it was a very close fight. All

722
00:32:59,559 --> 00:33:01,960
three just had it one fifteen to one thirteen, seven

723
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:03,880
rounds to five. Two of them scored it in favor

724
00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:06,839
of Arnold Barboza Junior. One of them scored it in

725
00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:09,720
favor of Jack Catterall. I personally scored it one fifteen

726
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,200
to one thirteen in favor of Catterarell, but I can't complain.

727
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,400
I saw a lot of people had similarly the same score.

728
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:16,319
It was basically a seven to five fight either way,

729
00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:20,000
and you know, you do. Unfortunately, because we're jaded, we

730
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:21,200
think that if it's going to be that kind of

731
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,359
a close fight, the hometown guy's gonna get it, and

732
00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:25,680
I score to god. When they were reading the scorers,

733
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,799
the only thing I kept thinking was that last score.

734
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,799
I actually thought it was gonna be one fourteen, one fourteen.

735
00:33:29,839 --> 00:33:31,599
They would have a split rat turned out that the

736
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,079
last score was read was fifteen thirteen and they gave

737
00:33:34,079 --> 00:33:36,400
it to Arnold Barbosa, So you know, credit that Barboza.

738
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,480
He went on the road, no fear, took this fight

739
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:43,440
without hesitation, and he went over to basically Jack Hetrol's backyard.

740
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:46,440
Jack Cattrell is from the Manchester area of England. As

741
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,960
if I was at the arena in Manchester and he

742
00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:51,960
ended up getting the decision, it could just as easily

743
00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:54,519
have gone the other way. But to Caterall's credit, he

744
00:33:54,519 --> 00:33:56,240
didn't bitch and moan about it. He's like, look, you know,

745
00:33:56,359 --> 00:33:58,839
close fight, Good for him, congratulations. I hope he goes

746
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:01,319
on and beats TI of Fimo because obviously by winning

747
00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:03,680
the interim title, he's now the mandatory challenger for t

748
00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:06,559
Fimo Lopez. The WBO has already, prior to this fight,

749
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,480
ordered that the winner and t Femo would have to

750
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,440
fight within one hundred and eighty days. Whether t Fimo

751
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:13,960
takes the fight or not remains to be seen. Obviously

752
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,280
we've talked about it. He's in the process of doing

753
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,000
a three fight deal with with Turkey al Chic, so

754
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,920
this fight could be in that three fights, or he

755
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,800
could wind up doing something much different. If he does

756
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,559
something different, and then Arnold Barbos will be elevated to

757
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:31,199
the fall champion now TJ. As far as the actual fight,

758
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,800
phost Yes, close fight. Both guys, you know, they did

759
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,239
their thing. But as I said all along, from the

760
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,079
moment the fight was signed, we said it on the

761
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:41,119
podcast in the preview. I said it on our bet

762
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:44,239
Us show on Friday. In the ring, I thought this

763
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,440
would be a pretty pedestrian kind of crappy fight. I

764
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,960
felt like their styles did not mesh whatsoever, and I

765
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,679
feel like I was one hundred percent right. There was

766
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,199
a lot of swinging and missing. There was a precious

767
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,159
little clean punching. Neither guy really was very active. The

768
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,760
punch output was actually rather pathetic. I mean, there was

769
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,320
only one round in the fight where where Regis why

770
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,840
not Regis program where Arnold Barbosa, both of them actually

771
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,679
where they landed more than ten ten or more punches

772
00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:13,960
in a round like it was. It was. It was

773
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:14,960
hideous in terms.

774
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: They were both. They were both at times cautions. I

775
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,440
thought Barbosa, especially like during the middle rounds, he was

776
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,760
having success with the one two, but then he wouldn't

777
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,519
he wouldn't follow it up. I don't know if overly

778
00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:30,320
cautious is the right word. And Caterall would kind of

779
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,960
hit him with the right jab would occasionally potshot hit him.

780
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,480
I agree with you there was not enough action, but

781
00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:40,599
it was just interesting that Barbosa did enough to get landed.

782
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,599
Speaker 3: His best punch in the fight was landing the straight

783
00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:44,440
left hand when he could find it, but very rarely

784
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,960
were their combinations. Uh. And to clarify the statistic, I

785
00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:54,159
just said, uh, Barbosa landed double digit punches twice in

786
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:58,079
the round. In the fight, Caterall never landed double digit punches.

787
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,400
That tells you immediately now I'm not you know. Look,

788
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,559
we've discussed in another time. Commy box is not the

789
00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:04,559
end of all be all, But that's a stat that's

790
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:08,360
worth processing because that tells you the absolute lack of

791
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,400
activity in a twelve round fight.

792
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 2: They combined with junior welterweights that you would figure would

793
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:15,719
be punching at a high enough rate.

794
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, they combined for like one hundred and sixty punches

795
00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:20,159
landed between the two of them for the entire fight.

796
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,519
That is absolutely miserable. So the fight stunk in my opinion,

797
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,880
But there were a few moments of interesting moments where

798
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,920
there was a few nice exchanges, and they certainly fought

799
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,800
hard in the twelfth round. I wish they would have

800
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,400
done that a little bit more throughout the fight. But

801
00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:37,840
for Barbosa it will go down as an absolute classic

802
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,920
because he does accomplish a dream to get a belt.

803
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,719
I mean it's an interim belt for the time being,

804
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:45,119
and good for him. He got the victory, and it

805
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:47,119
does set up some interesting things because even if he

806
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:49,880
doesn't get a fight with tia Fimo Lopez, you know

807
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,000
we're gonna talk about the Oscar Duarte fight next he's

808
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,079
with Golden Boy. He's in that weight class. That's a

809
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:56,400
possible fight that was discussed by Oscar de la Joya.

810
00:36:56,679 --> 00:36:59,880
There's also the possibility if t Fimo does something other

811
00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:02,320
and it's not say Richards and Hitchins in a unification

812
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,719
fight and he gets elevated and he was talking about

813
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,760
I saw his social media. He was like, I'm interested

814
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,360
in maybe fighting Richardson Hitchins. So you know, Barbosa is

815
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,960
in a hot division. He's going to have some form

816
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,440
of a belt, whether it's interim or the full. Uh,

817
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,360
He's going to be open for other possible fights. Catterall

818
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:18,920
will be back. I mean, I think at this point,

819
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,400
I mean, no, no disrespect to Jack. It seems like

820
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,559
a real nice guy and it comes to do what

821
00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:26,760
he does, but what he does is not the most

822
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,199
crowd pleasing thing in the world. But he'll go back

823
00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:32,760
and he'll he'll still get some other significant fight LOSSESDJ

824
00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:34,920
his one in a controversy to Taylor.

825
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 1: Right, he has fans, I mean they were roaring in

826
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,159
that arena, but in terms of being a spectacular fighter,

827
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:41,559
he's not so.

828
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 2: By the way, right right.

829
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: But Barbosa gets the win, so he's got more of

830
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,400
the leverage, and that segues us now to late Night,

831
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,400
Saurday Night, the final of the cards and the main

832
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,960
events that we're talking about. And Oscar Duarte did get

833
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,519
the knockout. You and I thought he would get most

834
00:37:57,559 --> 00:38:00,400
everybody thought it was a really good chance he would

835
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,880
get a knockout against the Lane money. Yes, it was well,

836
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,320
but I mean I believed it, You believed it, and

837
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,119
uh And Miguel Midueno again was a late replacement.

838
00:38:12,159 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 2: You mentioned Regi's Prograce's name.

839
00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: Pro Gray had lost to Catterall previously and was supposed

840
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,480
to be the d'Arte opponent in this fight until he

841
00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:25,760
was out injured about ten days ago. But undaunted, Duarte

842
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,159
looked good. Opposite of what you just talked about. He

843
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,119
was much more active with output of punches and he

844
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:34,639
put Madueno away with a stop age.

845
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:36,519
Speaker 3: Again, I said it in the pre in the pref

846
00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:40,440
in the pref fight conversations that I felt like although

847
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,599
other fights were maybe higher profile, certainly Keishawn Davis against

848
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:50,320
Barentik was higher profile, Caterall against uh Barbosa was higher profile.

849
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,239
But my my strong opinion was that for entertainment value

850
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,800
for action, that Duarte against Maduena would be the fight

851
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,760
of the weekend, and of the three fights that were

852
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,480
the main fights of the weekend, I feel like there's

853
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,360
no gout in my mind. That is the fact you

854
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,039
got two Mexicans who are proud guys who are coming

855
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:08,960
to fight and not looking to run around. Both guys

856
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,840
could you know, apply pressure and punch up a little bit.

857
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,199
Duarte more than a little bit, and it turned out

858
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,360
to be a heck of a fight. I mean it

859
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,039
was somewhat one sided, you know. The two the judges

860
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:23,000
had had given Duarte all the rounds except one round,

861
00:39:23,039 --> 00:39:25,000
so he was at fifty nine to fifty five before

862
00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:27,119
the stoppage one another judge, the third judge, had a

863
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:29,760
fifty eight to fifty six, but Duarte largely was in

864
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,320
total control, mainly based on his on his offensive prowess,

865
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:36,280
you know, landing clean punches, working them to the body,

866
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,599
and you know, he didn't knock him down with Duena,

867
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,039
but Dueno though it had never been stopped and so on.

868
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:43,639
I said beforehand, I felt like this was an excellent

869
00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:46,360
save by Golden Boy to get Mdueno on short notice,

870
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,119
and that I felt like in the ring it would

871
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:50,960
be a better fight entertainment wise than had it been Program,

872
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,519
even though Program obviously he's got the higher profile, has

873
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:55,880
the bigger name, has won the title two different times.

874
00:39:56,039 --> 00:39:58,920
But Midueno came to fight. Yes, he was coming off

875
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,719
of a decision loss, really a one sided decision loss

876
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,239
to Keishan Davis, but the style of Duarte compared to

877
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,440
Keishaan's totally different. So it made for a good fight.

878
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,800
And you know what Duarte did, in fact become the

879
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,360
first fighter to stop him. And it was just a

880
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,239
series of really clean shots, a couple of good right

881
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,000
hands up top, and Thomas Taylor, who was the referee,

882
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,440
I thought, intervened at the exact perfect time. He's really

883
00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:24,199
shown himself over these last few years to really be

884
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,960
one of, if not d premiere, a big time referee

885
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,280
in the sport of boxing, and that was a perfect stoppage,

886
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,920
big win for Duarte. Don't don't under undersell it. I

887
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,039
mean this was his first time in the main event

888
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:36,960
as the A side. Yes, he was the main event

889
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,440
when he fought Ryan Garcia in his loss that happened

890
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,639
a couple of years ago. But he goes good. Duarte

891
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:44,159
is going to be dangerous guy against a lot of

892
00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:45,840
these one hundred and forty pounders.

893
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: All right. Elsewhere on the undercard, super middleweight Darius Fulham

894
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,039
and welterweight Kenneth SAMs. What else from the Golden Boy

895
00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:54,880
Anaheim undercard here?

896
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: Anything else?

897
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned a couple of guys. Darius Fulgeum is

898
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,480
one of their top prospects of super middlewight. He runs

899
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,440
his record fourteen and oh look good exciting that fight.

900
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,719
You know, we was just really really beating up on

901
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,079
Winford Harris Junior, really just pummeling him. Could have probably

902
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:10,639
been stopped at any time, but Harris did show a

903
00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:12,480
lot of heart, So good for him on that. But

904
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:13,840
Folsom is a guy to keep an eye in. I mean,

905
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,760
he fights in a good weight class. He's twenty eight

906
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,400
years old, he's fourteen and oh mostly by knockout twelve

907
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,119
knockouts and good personality, good punching power, real solid guy

908
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:23,599
to keep an eye on. I mean, I like watching

909
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:25,119
the guy fight. I've seen many of his fights. He's

910
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:27,960
been all these Golden Boy under cars in recent times.

911
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,599
And Kenneth Simms, he did fight the fight against Kendall

912
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:34,599
Castaneda and won a pretty lopsided decision like eight eight

913
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,400
two nine to one on the score cards as a welterweight.

914
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,480
He says he still wants to fight at junior welterweight,

915
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,760
which is where he's been for most of his career,

916
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,639
and that could also set up a fight with any

917
00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:47,320
of the guys that we've been talking about. Duarte they

918
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,159
fought on the same card. They're both with Golden Boy,

919
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,199
maybe even against against Ourna Brobosa who won the interim

920
00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:55,000
title that we just talked about. Simms has been in

921
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:57,199
some good fights. He actually had won an eliminator. He

922
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,079
never got the shot. I'm really not sure what happened that,

923
00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:02,360
but it was the BBA doing their WBA things. But

924
00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:04,920
Kennison is another guy in one hundred and forty pound division,

925
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:07,360
albeit the last fight was at one forty seven, that

926
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,639
he can maybe make some noise he's a skillful boxer,

927
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,360
has no fear and can go and do his thing.

928
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,360
He's pretty big for the division, and it was a

929
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,480
good amateur. You know, he's right there in his prime.

930
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:20,559
He's thirty one years old. Nothing to look down on

931
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:22,119
with him. He can be in the ring with anybody

932
00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:24,000
in that way class. And so he scored himself a

933
00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:26,280
nice win. And then the other fight on the undercard,

934
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,119
again not a huge fight, but one of Golden Boys'

935
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:31,280
best prospects is the welterweight who was a top notch

936
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:35,079
US amateur named joel Erie Arte who's now six and Zho.

937
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:36,840
He just keeps doing his thing. He pummeled the guy

938
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,000
in two rounds. I feel like and maybe Golden Boys

939
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,239
shares his opinion and we'll see what they do next.

940
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,239
He's had his first six fights against you know, Jimokes.

941
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,000
Basically it's time for him to step up. Well, I'm

942
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,159
not saying you're gonna put him in the ring with

943
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:50,400
the top guy, but he can definitely handle a little

944
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,800
bit of a better grade of opponent than the guys

945
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,000
he's fought in the first six fights.

946
00:42:54,119 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: You know, we got nothing against Jimokes in general. We

947
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,679
just don't have to see it over and over and

948
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:02,480
over again in a boxing ring. All right, good recappage.

949
00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:04,519
We spent some time on all three of those cards.

950
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:08,199
Let's get to some fight news and then some excellent nostalgia. Okay,

951
00:43:08,199 --> 00:43:11,239
So speaking of Richard Torres, as you reference, and we

952
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,239
did a disservice on Friday, you and I.

953
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 2: I'm saying this playfully.

954
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: Because somebody put the question up to us on the

955
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,199
bet Us Boxing Show about the American heavyweight scene besides

956
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,880
Jared Anderson, and you did not and I did not

957
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,960
come up with the name Richard Torres. I'm not saying

958
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:28,960
Richard Torres is ever going to be a heavyweight champion,

959
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:32,599
but he's at least a compelling American figure at the

960
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:35,239
moment because we've seen a little of him. He's had

961
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,440
some knockouts, he's got a chance to develop, and to

962
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:40,400
that end, he's gonna be back.

963
00:43:40,199 --> 00:43:42,199
Speaker 2: In the ring coming up. So there's your segway, go ahead.

964
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I wasn't doing a disservice to Richard

965
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,559
Torres when the question was posed. I was thinking that

966
00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:50,280
we're meaning like, who are the contenders and whatever becomes

967
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,119
of Richard Torres this career, Whether he becomes a contender,

968
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:57,320
a champion, or somebody that doesn't ever do anything. He

969
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,559
isn't there yet, so that's why I did mention him.

970
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:01,840
But the fact that matters. He did win the silver

971
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,159
medal in the twenty twenty delayed Olympic Games. He lost

972
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,199
only in a competitive fight, by the way, against Jalalov,

973
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,920
who won his second consecutive gold medal, and in a

974
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,599
previous amateur fight that he had with John Lov he

975
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,280
knocked him out cold, so he did way better in

976
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,480
the rematch as a more mature person and as a

977
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,480
more experienced boxer. Anyway, he's been brought along well. He's

978
00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:27,880
had tons of quick, spectacular knockouts throughout his early part

979
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,400
of his careers. Now twelve to zero with eleven knockouts.

980
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,760
He's only twenty five years old. That's baby for a heavyweight.

981
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,400
And you know, if you remember back a couple of

982
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,360
weeks ago, we were talking about how Top rank was

983
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,920
looking at April fifth, that date that they have on

984
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:43,159
ESPN about doing the fight between you know, for the

985
00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:47,239
interim lightweight title that was again between Raymore Attaya and Zarabdliev.

986
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:49,039
That was when that was going to take place, and

987
00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:50,880
then of course Top Rank found out, Oh, by the way,

988
00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:53,639
Abdlive is going to observe Ramadan and you're gonna have

989
00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:55,519
to move the fight to like May or June. So

990
00:44:55,559 --> 00:44:58,400
when that fight was moved to May, top Rank was

991
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,880
sitting there with a date and a fight that needed

992
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,880
to be made for a main event. So I don't

993
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,599
know if this fight was always on the drawing board

994
00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:07,280
or if they went about it maybe slightly out of desperation,

995
00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:09,440
but Torres does really wanted to step up, and so

996
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,840
what they did was they matched up Richard Torres, like

997
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,679
I said, the twenty twenty US Olympian, against Guido Vannello,

998
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:19,599
the Italian twenty sixteen Olympian, who's been with top rank.

999
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,800
They both went with top Rank for their entire careers.

1000
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:24,599
And it's the main event of that April fifth card

1001
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:26,719
that'll be an ESPN Plus only show, by the way,

1002
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,840
it'll take place at the Palms Casino in Las Vegas.

1003
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,280
But it's a it's a pretty interesting it's a pretty

1004
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,880
interesting matchup because you're gonna get a chance to see.

1005
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,079
Now I'm not saying Guido Vnello is this top notch,

1006
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,920
you know, elite heavyweight at this point. But he's certainly

1007
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:45,559
by leaps and bounds better than anybody that Richard Torres

1008
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:47,360
says face so far. I mean, TJ. Remember on the

1009
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,719
bett Us Show, we hit like questions like when the

1010
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,400
over under on Richard Torres this fight to like a

1011
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,360
round and a half. I mean, that's the.

1012
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,159
Speaker 1: Kind of fiorized Would they ever put it at half

1013
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,360
a round? Right a couple of those guys, which they

1014
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,400
never did. So and so I agree with you on

1015
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,440
the step up here, and it's and sooner later you

1016
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,320
got to find out what you have, d Anderson.

1017
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 2: Sooner later you got to find out what you have.

1018
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,119
Speaker 3: So VNL. If you look at his record, he did

1019
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:14,280
have an eight round rather a sixth round draw against

1020
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,760
Kingsley Ibay in twenty twenty, and Iday is like a

1021
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,400
very uh, he's a he's a good journeyman like that.

1022
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,320
He'll test you, but he's not usually gonna beat you.

1023
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,480
And then the loss that he had was a freakish

1024
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,199
loss against Johnny Rice because of a cut that was

1025
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,960
unfortunately he stopped in the seventh round. The only other

1026
00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:32,800
loss he's got two losses was a very spirited split

1027
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,679
decision loss against FAA Jagbai, which was a competitive and

1028
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,119
a good fight, and then he rebounded from that in

1029
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:41,079
his most recent fight that took place in August. He

1030
00:46:41,159 --> 00:46:44,480
went to Canada and he absolutely destroyed Arslan Beck Makmanduf,

1031
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,360
who was they were trying to come back with him

1032
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:47,880
after he had been beaten on one of the Saudi

1033
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,199
Arabia cards, and he stopped him in the eighth round.

1034
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,039
So he's coming off of what is a pretty good

1035
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:54,559
win for him and he's stepping up against Torres. So

1036
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,039
his stepping in was Torres. I'm not sure how big

1037
00:46:57,079 --> 00:46:58,840
of a step up it is, but it's a very

1038
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,920
interesting matchup. You don't see, you know, youngish heavyweights from

1039
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,400
the same company going in with each other. So I like,

1040
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,199
we're going to find a lot out about Richard Horres

1041
00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:07,519
in this fight.

1042
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:09,079
Speaker 2: And by the way, very personable.

1043
00:47:09,079 --> 00:47:12,199
Speaker 1: We interviewed him here for the podcast last fall after

1044
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:17,920
his like his latest win, and again he's got a

1045
00:47:18,039 --> 00:47:21,440
wide variety of talents. As he said to us, he

1046
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,280
was taking he was at the community college taking a

1047
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,360
sign language class literally and a dance class, learning dance

1048
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,280
steps which can help o het boxing. Uh huh. So

1049
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,199
it was it was interesting talking to him, and he

1050
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,119
said one of the things he loved it was having

1051
00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:38,320
his student id getting him a discount after he had

1052
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,159
fought as a co feature fighter on Top Rank. He

1053
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,960
was concerned again about the student discount to go get

1054
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,400
the health bars and the food at the student cafeteria

1055
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,400
at the community college.

1056
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: It's all about the eats. We've always said that it's

1057
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:51,760
all about the eats.

1058
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,159
Speaker 3: One other point they did, Top Rank did not announce

1059
00:47:54,199 --> 00:47:56,199
the co feature, but I am told by Top Rank,

1060
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,760
and I had reported this previously, that the Top that

1061
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,079
the cod feature on this will be another like Vannello

1062
00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:04,519
and Torres, is kind of like a shitter, get off

1063
00:48:04,519 --> 00:48:07,199
the pot kind of fight. Their co feature that they're

1064
00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:09,480
doing in the junior woralthyweight division, which is the division

1065
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,000
that we've been discussing a lot, because there's a lot

1066
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,639
of stuff going on there and the winner of this

1067
00:48:12,639 --> 00:48:14,679
fight will put themselves in a pretty nice position in

1068
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,760
that division as well. They are going to do a

1069
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,400
fight between the undefeated Mexican twenty sixteen Olympian Lendolfo Delgado

1070
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:26,000
and Elvis Rodriguez, the Freddy Freddy Roach trained Dominican fighter,

1071
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,800
and both guys have shown promise. Delgado is still undefeated.

1072
00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:33,039
Rodriguez has been a little inconsistent, a little up and down.

1073
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:34,719
Was with a top rank for a long time, then

1074
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,960
was with PBC, then came back and was re signed

1075
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:39,079
with top rank. But they're going to do the co

1076
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,119
feature against each other, and again not necessarily an officially eliminator,

1077
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,719
but a de facto eliminator because the guy that wins

1078
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,760
is probably going to find himself in a much bigger

1079
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,960
fight after this one. So that's a nice co feature

1080
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:51,519
on that show.

1081
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: All of that coming for April fifth, which, by the way,

1082
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,079
in my brain, that is the basketball Final four weekend

1083
00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:58,920
in San Antonio for the men's Final four.

1084
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: Rayfield's hoping the Duke Blue Devils are there.

1085
00:49:01,159 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for the Final four in San Antonio at

1086
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,119
the Alamo. While we're at that fight card, all right,

1087
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:08,760
let's talk about more announcements. Golden Boy has also made

1088
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,480
an announcement this weekend about the rematch with William Zapata

1089
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:17,400
and Tevin Farmer for the WBC Interim lightweight title. Highly

1090
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:21,239
entertaining first fight. Gimme the deats on when, when we're

1091
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:22,400
looking at and where.

1092
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 3: Well, as soon as they fought their first fight, which

1093
00:49:24,519 --> 00:49:27,119
took place on in Saudi Arabia. That was the November

1094
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,760
Latino Night card, because if there's going to be a

1095
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,639
Mexican against a fighter for Philadelphia, you need to be doing.

1096
00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 2: That Rea on Latino Night exactly.

1097
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,119
Speaker 3: And Latino Night exactly. So they fought that fight and

1098
00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:42,079
it was November. That was one of the better that

1099
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:44,639
was actually that whole card top bottom was a really

1100
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,519
excellent show, but this was one of the fights that

1101
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:49,199
made it in that manner. Remember as the paida was

1102
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,800
the post to fight Chaquor at the time, Chakor at

1103
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,719
that moment was out with an injury. So they approved

1104
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,760
the fight between Farmer and Zapeta for the interim WBC title,

1105
00:49:58,079 --> 00:49:59,440
and they put on a heck of a fight. It

1106
00:49:59,519 --> 00:50:02,119
was a really good, exciting fight, and in the end

1107
00:50:02,159 --> 00:50:04,320
it was a split decision in favor of Zapeida. He

1108
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,280
won ninety five ninety four twice and Farmer won ninety

1109
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,519
five to ninety four on the other scorecard. So close

1110
00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:12,440
in terms of like kind of like Catarell was with Barbosa,

1111
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,760
you know, separated by just the one round, but you know,

1112
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,079
really maybe could have gone either way. But there was

1113
00:50:18,119 --> 00:50:20,440
a lot of a lot of folks that really felt

1114
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,360
like Farmer a deserved the rematch. He called for it immediately,

1115
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:24,719
maybe even that he could have won the fight. I

1116
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,199
didn't really agree with that. I thought that Zepeida clearly

1117
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,880
was the winner. But Farmer made his point because he

1118
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,920
scored a knockdown against the paida who'd never been knocked

1119
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,159
down before to the best of my knowledge, and made

1120
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:36,519
it a heck of a fight. So wall Zepaida is

1121
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:40,480
waiting to see what happens in the February twenty second

1122
00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:44,320
show where Shakor is back and defending his WBC lightweight

1123
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,000
title against Floyd Scholfield. You know, they wanted to keep

1124
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:48,719
their guys busy, and so you know what that this

1125
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,559
made a lot of sense do with the rematch. You know,

1126
00:50:50,599 --> 00:50:52,840
there was no rematch clause, but this is the example

1127
00:50:53,199 --> 00:50:55,599
that should be the case. Is supposed to rematch clauses

1128
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,079
where there is public sentiment for a rematch, there's a

1129
00:50:59,079 --> 00:51:00,920
reason for a rematch because of how good and closed

1130
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,639
the fight was. So Zepeida, credit to him. He took

1131
00:51:03,639 --> 00:51:06,480
the fight, no questions asked. Obviously, for Farmer, he gets

1132
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:09,039
the opportunity to avenge what he feels like was a

1133
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:10,920
raw deal in the first fight. And they're gonna do

1134
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,119
this fight on March twenty ninth. It'll be the main

1135
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:14,679
event of a Golden Boys show on his own. They're

1136
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,320
doing it can Coon, Mexico. So whereas the first match

1137
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,760
was on the neutral ground in Riad, they'll do the

1138
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,159
second fight in Williams of paid, his home country of Cancun.

1139
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:26,519
But Kevin Farmer's always been a guy that no one's

1140
00:51:26,519 --> 00:51:28,000
really got out of their way to help. So he's

1141
00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:29,519
gonna have to go on the road and see if

1142
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:31,960
he can do what Barbosa did. And Williams a paid

1143
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,239
to defend the home turf and you know, propel himself

1144
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,679
into a fight, you know, with the winner I guess

1145
00:51:36,679 --> 00:51:38,440
of Chakor and Scofield probably sucure.

1146
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: And remember Zapeida had the distinction of being the number

1147
00:51:42,039 --> 00:51:45,840
one ranked fighter in all four organizations at lightweight as well,

1148
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,719
And it's logical they're setting it up for the Shakur

1149
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:49,800
fight for down the road.

1150
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: If they're both.

1151
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,119
Speaker 1: Victorious, stay tuned because Farmer again gave him a hard fight.

1152
00:51:54,159 --> 00:51:58,079
So that fight is in March. We march on with

1153
00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:01,440
the news, all right, whenever we talking about high rollers

1154
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,960
and big dollars. We're obviously talking about Rayfield, but you're

1155
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:08,840
interested in our friends at Sportico, and I love the

1156
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,079
guys that right there, including shout out to their business,

1157
00:52:11,079 --> 00:52:15,039
their sports business writer Kurt Bodenhausen and Kirk Bodenhausen, by

1158
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:16,559
the way, as a boxing fan, we allay get him

1159
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:18,719
on the pod at some point. I've had Kurt on

1160
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,239
on some other things, interviewing him. So they came out

1161
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:26,519
with a list of an or fourth annual of the

1162
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:30,320
top one hundred highest paid athletes in the world in

1163
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,960
sports for the calendar year for twenty twenty four. And

1164
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,320
this does not surprise me that there are boxers within

1165
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,800
the top one hundred, and actually it wouldn't surprise me

1166
00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:44,239
if several were within like the top twenty, just because

1167
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,079
of how lucrative it is at the top for some

1168
00:52:46,159 --> 00:52:48,519
of the name So pick it up from there. On

1169
00:52:48,599 --> 00:52:50,239
the money, I know for a lot of fans, the

1170
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,719
eyes now have begun to glaze over on how much

1171
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,679
money they're making. When Patrick Mahomes, for example, the Kansas

1172
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,239
City Chiefs quarterback, has a four hundred and fifty million

1173
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,800
dollar contract which he literally does what is show Hey

1174
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,199
Otani's contract is I think you.

1175
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:05,159
Speaker 2: Got the list in front of you.

1176
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,519
Speaker 1: Isn't it like a five hundred or six hundred million

1177
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:08,320
dollar contract?

1178
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,039
Speaker 2: H I don't have it in front of the eyes.

1179
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: The eyes start to glaze over on the money. But

1180
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,880
there are boxers on the list, so go ahead.

1181
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 3: A lot of people are very interested in this because

1182
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,400
it shows you. It's kind of like why people are

1183
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,280
interested in what are the television ratings, what are the

1184
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,400
weekend box office takes for the big opening movies when

1185
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,480
people like to see lists of what these folks are earning,

1186
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:30,679
whether it's Hollywood or it's athletes. But I did find

1187
00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:33,079
it interesting besides just the general interest on what the

1188
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:37,760
what the financial state of these big superstar athletes is,

1189
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,480
is that it shows you that people can dump on boxing.

1190
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:43,360
Obviously it's not what it once was in terms of

1191
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,880
the mainstream, but for the very elite fighters, their money

1192
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,239
is every bit as competitive or better than most athletes

1193
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,519
in the world. And so in the top eighty one

1194
00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:54,840
of the one hundred, in the top eighty one, there

1195
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,719
are six different boxers. That's very impressive. Now, to put

1196
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,800
it in context, the number one athlete on the list

1197
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:06,239
was the soccer icon Cristiano Ronaldo, who was pegged at

1198
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,079
two hundred and sixty million dollars for twenty twenty four.

1199
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:11,199
Now what Tornico did, and I like the fact that

1200
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,159
they do this. They split it up between what you

1201
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,000
earn in your field of play, so salary or purses

1202
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:18,400
or whatever, and then they have a second category, which

1203
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:19,599
is your endorsement.

1204
00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: Money a game away in the field, away from the ring, right.

1205
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:25,559
Speaker 3: And they combined it's for Ronaldo as the number one guy.

1206
00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:27,920
He's obviously a soccer player. He was two hundred and

1207
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,440
fifteen million in salary and forty five million in endorsements.

1208
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 1: And the reason for that is and I know this,

1209
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,320
and then we'll move this along because don't want to

1210
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:39,320
spend fifteen minutes on it. The Saudi Investment Fund, the PIF,

1211
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,480
paid him to come play in their soccer league rightfield.

1212
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:45,480
They paid him two hundred and fifteen million dollars for

1213
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:47,679
a year to play in the not in the English

1214
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,119
Premier League, not in the German Bundesliga, which is very famous,

1215
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:54,920
not in one of the Italian what is it La

1216
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:59,400
Liga or whatever, Serie A. All these prestigious soccer leagues

1217
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,960
this is the se league paid him two hundred and

1218
00:55:02,039 --> 00:55:03,079
fifteen million dollars.

1219
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,639
Speaker 3: Well, you said, because if you're going to talk about

1220
00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:08,000
studs and just for the for a more context. Number

1221
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,480
two on the list is the NBA superstar Stephen Curry,

1222
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,519
who was making one hundred and fifty three point eight

1223
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:15,599
million dollars, but fifty three and change his salary one

1224
00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:20,400
hundred million in indorsements. His is the opposite anyway in boxing.

1225
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,400
You talked about the numbers of dollars that they that

1226
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,119
the Saudi's paid Ronaldo to play in their league. There's

1227
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:27,360
a reason why. The top two boxers on this list

1228
00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:31,719
are number three overall one Tyson Fury, where'd he make

1229
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,000
his money last year all in two fights in Saudi

1230
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:37,119
Arabia And number seven on the list is Alexander Ussek,

1231
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:39,400
who also made his money in Saudi Arabia. For Tyson

1232
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,440
Fury number three on the list, he made one hundred

1233
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,679
and forty seven million dollars one hundred and forty million

1234
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:50,039
in purses, seven million in endorsements. And for Alexander Ussek,

1235
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:52,280
you know they fought each other twice. That was their

1236
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,000
two fights of the year for each of them, one

1237
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:56,719
hundred and twenty two million dollars for USIK and two

1238
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:01,079
million dollars in in endorsement deals. Now jumped down to

1239
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,440
number twenty and he's gonna be on this list next

1240
00:56:03,519 --> 00:56:05,800
year also because of his involvement with Saudi's. But his

1241
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,119
twenty twenty four number is not because of Saudi, and

1242
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:11,639
that is one Canelo Alvarez who had two fights I'll

1243
00:56:11,679 --> 00:56:15,519
remind you Edgar Berlanga and Heimi Mongia. He made seventy

1244
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:19,159
three million dollars last year according to Sportoco, sixty five

1245
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,480
million in purses, which is about right in my estimation,

1246
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,559
another eight million dollars in endorsement money. And then you

1247
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:27,599
go to number thirty and that is again Saudi Arabi involvement.

1248
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:32,320
The former unified heavyweight title holder Anthony Joshua, who had

1249
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,239
two fights Slasher, both on the Saudi Dime. He got

1250
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,920
drilled or he drilled Francis Naganu and he then got

1251
00:56:39,039 --> 00:56:41,480
knocked out by Daniel Duwa. His number came in at

1252
00:56:41,519 --> 00:56:44,920
sixty million dollars, fifty million in person wow, ten million

1253
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,320
in endorsements, a number fifty two year old. You're gonna

1254
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,639
love this one. TJ again not Saudi related the legendary

1255
00:56:50,679 --> 00:56:53,960
cruiserweight Jake Paul who fought three times in twenty twenty

1256
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,960
four forty eight million, thirty eight million in purses, ten

1257
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:01,079
million in endorsements, and then number eighty one, a fighter

1258
00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:02,960
not involved with Saudi's at the time he will be

1259
00:57:03,039 --> 00:57:05,320
this year, uh and did not even fight in the

1260
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,800
United States or Saudi Arabia for that matter. And that

1261
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,639
is one superstar. Japanese undisputed junior featherweight champ Nollia in

1262
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,039
a way who for two defenses against regular opponents, to

1263
00:57:16,039 --> 00:57:19,920
be quite honest, against Luis Neary and TJ. Doheney forty

1264
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,119
two million dollars, thirty five million in purses, another seven

1265
00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:26,599
million in endorsements. So at the very top level, boxing

1266
00:57:26,639 --> 00:57:28,880
is as lucrative as any sport in existence.

1267
00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:30,599
Speaker 1: Go over to GAG because that's a that's a lot

1268
00:57:30,639 --> 00:57:33,400
of numbers to digest. What did Canemo make outside the

1269
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,079
ring again, because it's it's very lucrative for him.

1270
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:37,239
Speaker 2: What was his outside income?

1271
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 3: His outside they estimated at eight million dollars and he does.

1272
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 2: I would have thinkt that was more than that.

1273
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 3: Wow, But that may not be taken into account that

1274
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,679
he owns like his own stuff here. That's this is

1275
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,519
just what other companies were paying him. I guess. So

1276
00:57:48,519 --> 00:57:52,159
he did an endorsement deal with like a beverage.

1277
00:57:52,639 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 2: Heikkn is one of the big sponsors.

1278
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,559
Speaker 1: And we see that all over the place on his

1279
00:57:56,599 --> 00:57:59,079
trunks and on the ring when he was fighting in

1280
00:57:59,119 --> 00:57:59,840
recent years.

1281
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:02,119
Speaker 2: Oh that's a man, by the way.

1282
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,239
Speaker 1: I did. Look sho hey Otani, I sold it short.

1283
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:09,000
It's a seven hundred million dollar deal seventy million per year.

1284
00:58:09,159 --> 00:58:11,559
Speaker 3: With the dodg are now less in total value than

1285
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:13,280
the deal that it's not for twenty twenty four. But

1286
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,880
it's less than the deal that Jon Soto signed for

1287
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:17,519
HI with the New York Mets for much more than that.

1288
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:19,559
Speaker 1: And I wonder what Otani makes off the field. I

1289
00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:21,360
don't know if that's on your list as well, because

1290
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,360
and again Patrick Mahomes, it's a four hundred and fifty

1291
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:25,400
million dollar contract.

1292
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 2: I know that.

1293
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:30,599
Speaker 3: Let's also put this this chelas if Rinaldo is number

1294
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:34,840
one at two sixty. The number one hundred was Daniel Jones,

1295
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,639
the NFL quarterback who the Giants my team finally got

1296
00:58:37,719 --> 00:58:39,920
rid of because he can't really play very much. He

1297
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,920
was pegged at thirty seven and a half million, which

1298
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,559
was thirty six million in salary and a million and

1299
00:58:44,599 --> 00:58:45,840
a half off the field.

1300
00:58:46,639 --> 00:58:47,719
Speaker 2: So that's a bit of a range.

1301
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 3: And let me say one other thing by the way,

1302
00:58:49,519 --> 00:58:52,119
and this was very noticeable out of the top one hundred,

1303
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,599
he no NNA fighters on that list.

1304
00:58:55,840 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: Very true because we keep bringing up don't make that much.

1305
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,599
That's why they're coming to fight boxers. Interesting.

1306
00:59:03,239 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 3: Actually, there's a reason why that the MMA guys that

1307
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,840
have crossed over want to cross over because there's more

1308
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,320
money at that level in boxing. There's a reason why

1309
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,159
frances and Naganu decided to take his hand in boxing.

1310
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 1: Uh wanted to come fight Jake Paula.

1311
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,079
Speaker 2: Exactly, all right, real quick.

1312
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: Uh this is uh something something that's tough to even

1313
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:31,079
go over. Famed British trainer Joe Gallagher is battling stage

1314
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:35,639
four bow and liver cancer. Former Ring Magazine Trainer of

1315
00:59:35,719 --> 00:59:38,159
the Year. I know you want to say some words

1316
00:59:38,159 --> 00:59:41,360
and our and uh our heartfelt concern for Joe Gallagher

1317
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:42,440
as this news is now out.

1318
00:59:43,199 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, he made he made the public announcement in the

1319
00:59:45,559 --> 00:59:47,920
last few days. He made a lengthy statement on his

1320
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,199
social media I've known Joe for many years. A class guy,

1321
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,039
a lovely guy, a nice guy, heck of a boxing guy,

1322
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,400
really pleasant to be around. I've been around him during

1323
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,239
fight weeks at various times, and uh, there's a reason

1324
00:59:59,239 --> 01:00:01,119
why he's so high regarded. Just look at the kind

1325
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:03,639
of fighters he's worked with. Currently, he is the trainer

1326
01:00:03,679 --> 01:00:07,199
for Lawrence o'coley, who now has come into the heavyweight division.

1327
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,639
He's also very well known for being the trainer of

1328
01:00:09,679 --> 01:00:12,039
the unified women's welterweight champion, one of the best women's

1329
01:00:12,039 --> 01:00:15,840
boxers in the world that Tasha Jonas. Back in twenty

1330
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,159
fifteen when he got the Ring Magazine Trainer of the Year.

1331
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,400
He had a huge year that year. He and these

1332
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:22,559
guys were all title holders at the time and were

1333
01:00:22,599 --> 01:00:24,599
good fighters. For a number of years. He was the

1334
01:00:24,639 --> 01:00:27,559
trainer for Anthony Krola, who had won a lightweight title.

1335
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,559
He was the trainer for Scott Quigg, who was at

1336
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:32,719
the top and at a title at the junior featherweight division,

1337
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,360
and also that the trainer for Liam Smith, who at

1338
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,440
that who is still now currently a middleweight contender, but

1339
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,400
back then he was a junior middleweight titlelder ultimately lost

1340
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,360
his title to Canelo Alvaret. He also was involved, you know,

1341
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,280
with other members of the Smith family, Callum Smith he

1342
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,639
worked with. He also worked with Matthew Macklin who was

1343
01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:52,119
a top midleweight for a long time, Charlie Edwards who

1344
01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:54,280
was a world champion, Paul Butler who was a bandon

1345
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,480
weight world champion. So Joe's one of the best in

1346
01:00:56,519 --> 01:00:59,840
the business period regardless of country, but he's more well

1347
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,840
known obviously in Britain because his clientele has primarily been

1348
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,760
the British fighters. But a really good guy and I

1349
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,440
can do a say, you know, good luck to him

1350
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,400
and you know whatever is going to be is going

1351
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,920
to be. But you know, hope everything works out as

1352
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:13,880
best as possible. That's a tough one to take, like

1353
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,440
you said, So nothing but has positive and good thoughts

1354
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:17,760
for Joe Gallagher.

1355
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: And hopefully the support system is there from the British

1356
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,239
boxing community, etc.

1357
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,639
Speaker 3: He's a very very well liked person with the go is.

1358
01:01:26,719 --> 01:01:28,760
You don't find people talk bad about Joe Gallagher.

1359
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: Awful awful news and let's hope that Joe Gallagher can

1360
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,320
get some treatment and he's in the fight for his

1361
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,840
life right now. One more quick item and that is

1362
01:01:39,079 --> 01:01:44,599
an IBF Junior middleweight final eliminator. Makes my rundown here

1363
01:01:44,639 --> 01:01:47,199
what's going on with Ericson Lubin and who he's fighting

1364
01:01:47,199 --> 01:01:48,679
and when is it go But.

1365
01:01:48,679 --> 01:01:50,639
Speaker 3: We had spoken about that this person, it had been

1366
01:01:50,719 --> 01:01:53,119
ordered or maybe I know I wrote about it. This

1367
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:57,159
was to determine the mandatory challenger for Baker Ortazalev, who

1368
01:01:57,199 --> 01:01:59,239
is the IBF one hundred and fifty four pound champion

1369
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,360
coming off his big knockout victory in a title defense

1370
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,320
against Kim Zoo. And so they had ordered Ericson Lubin

1371
01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:07,920
to fight ardre Al Holmes Junior and that went to

1372
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,079
a per spid and it was up between Probox and

1373
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,679
Demetris Salida. The Probox they don't promote Ericson Lubin, but

1374
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,639
Gary Jonas, who is the owner of Probox, has known

1375
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:22,039
and been close to lubin his entire career when he

1376
01:02:22,159 --> 01:02:24,199
was a manager before he became a promoter. He's the

1377
01:02:24,199 --> 01:02:27,239
one that signed Lubin when he turned eighteen years old

1378
01:02:27,519 --> 01:02:30,159
on his birthday and turned them pro back when he

1379
01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:32,199
was involved with what was at the time called Iron

1380
01:02:32,239 --> 01:02:35,480
Mike Promotions that was involving of Mike Tyson. So they

1381
01:02:35,519 --> 01:02:37,840
have a relationship and they beat out the per spid

1382
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,039
that was offered by Dimitri Salida's company, which is the

1383
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:43,360
promoter for Holmes. Anyway, they won the per spid for

1384
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,360
two hundred and twenty five thousand dollars. That was a

1385
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,599
couple of weeks ago. And so now they've announced our

1386
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:51,400
determiners and got it sanctioned officially by the IBF. In fact,

1387
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,440
the IBF told me that they've received the paperwork and

1388
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,840
that's all sanctioned and good to go. Anyway, it will

1389
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,239
take place on May tenth on a pro Box TV card.

1390
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,800
It'll take place in Kassimi, Florida, which is right next

1391
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,119
door to Orlando, which is where Eric's an.

1392
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,159
Speaker 2: Hour about an hour east of me in Cassimi.

1393
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,519
Speaker 3: And that's a nice matchup, lubit is. You know, he's

1394
01:03:08,599 --> 01:03:10,840
he's at his ups, he's at his downs, but he's

1395
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,960
still a good contender. And Holmes is undefeated. This is

1396
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,960
a big step up for him. And uh, there's a

1397
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,480
big carrot at the end of this fight because the

1398
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,440
winners getting the title shot. And you know one thing

1399
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,599
about the IBF, say whatever you want, is if their

1400
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:23,840
guys win the final eliminator. They either get a title

1401
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,119
shot against the Randy Champer, they fight for the viacant title.

1402
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: All right, lots of good news, and that leaves us

1403
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,840
with one bit of nostalgia. And it was twenty five

1404
01:03:34,039 --> 01:03:37,599
years ago coming this week, and we believe it was

1405
01:03:37,679 --> 01:03:42,400
February nineteenth, two thousand that the all time trilogy of

1406
01:03:42,599 --> 01:03:49,920
Eric Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera was born. Wild opening

1407
01:03:50,119 --> 01:03:54,559
fight that Morales won quarter of a century ago, Big

1408
01:03:54,679 --> 01:03:55,920
Dan the first.

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01:03:55,960 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 3: I remember this like yesterday. First of all, it is

1410
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,360
my great privilege for I've been a ringside for the

1411
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,119
second and the third fight of this great trilogy. And

1412
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,239
I was not present at the first fight, and I

1413
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,079
told the story. I think before I had just gotten

1414
01:04:10,119 --> 01:04:12,440
hired to be the boxing writer at USA today, like

1415
01:04:12,679 --> 01:04:14,559
in the days leading up to it, like the anniversary

1416
01:04:14,679 --> 01:04:18,239
is like this week, and I remember think to myself,

1417
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,199
Oh my god, had I been hired like just a

1418
01:04:20,199 --> 01:04:22,119
month or two ago, I probably would have gotten to

1419
01:04:22,119 --> 01:04:24,519
go to the fight as a turnout. Obviously, I didn't

1420
01:04:24,519 --> 01:04:26,440
start my job at USA tell this fight was in

1421
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,800
the books. I started about a month later in March,

1422
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,639
where I finally moved and left the paper that I

1423
01:04:31,679 --> 01:04:34,320
was working for in the same company as USA today.

1424
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,039
So what I remember is I was packing stuff in

1425
01:04:38,119 --> 01:04:41,679
my apartment where I lived in Vestal, New York and

1426
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,400
watched this fight on HBO that night. I had a

1427
01:04:44,519 --> 01:04:47,480
rare Saturday night off from the office because normally, if

1428
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,559
you're a sports writer at a local newspaper on a

1429
01:04:49,559 --> 01:04:51,960
Saturday night, especially at that time of year, you're busy,

1430
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:54,360
you know, taking all the sports scores of what of

1431
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:56,360
the high school stuff and the college stuff that's going on.

1432
01:04:56,639 --> 01:04:58,480
But I was home I watched this fight. It was

1433
01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:01,639
the anniversary of Boxing after Dark and they did a

1434
01:05:01,639 --> 01:05:03,800
one fight broadcast. This was a fight that a lot

1435
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:06,199
of fans, especially Mexican fans, that look forward to for

1436
01:05:06,239 --> 01:05:09,079
a very long time. At the time, you had Marco

1437
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:13,199
Antonio Brera held the WBO Junior featherweight title. Now back

1438
01:05:13,239 --> 01:05:17,559
in two thousand, the WBO title was not considered a

1439
01:05:17,559 --> 01:05:19,920
big deal, but he still had a matter of fact,

1440
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,719
HBO didn't even reference that built but Eric Morales he

1441
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,760
was the champion of the WBC, so it was to

1442
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,679
unify those titles, and people expected it to be a

1443
01:05:29,679 --> 01:05:32,320
good fight, obviously, but I don't know if anybody expected

1444
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,679
to be quite literally one of the greatest fights in

1445
01:05:34,679 --> 01:05:35,039
the history.

1446
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna, I can interject, I was gonna say,

1447
01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:41,079
we've talked frequently about the genuine hatred. Was it well

1448
01:05:41,159 --> 01:05:44,199
known that the about the genuine hatred before they fought

1449
01:05:44,239 --> 01:05:46,159
the first time in the build up for this or

1450
01:05:46,159 --> 01:05:49,519
did we only come to understand it because of the

1451
01:05:49,639 --> 01:05:51,800
heated opening fight here of the trilogy.

1452
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 3: I really I think they didn't have any love for

1453
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,440
each other, but it became much deeper once the fights

1454
01:05:57,679 --> 01:06:00,280
started with each other. So after the first fight, it

1455
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,039
was much more a pronounce going into the rematch, and

1456
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:05,159
even more so going into the third fight, where it was,

1457
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,199
you know, as bitter as you could possibly get. And

1458
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,599
you know, twenty five years later, they're actually okay with

1459
01:06:09,639 --> 01:06:12,400
each other. They've had meals together, their wives have met together,

1460
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,920
they've made appearances together. So well, I don't think they're

1461
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,360
already best friends. They definitely are able to deal with

1462
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,239
one another on a you know, a nice manner. But

1463
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:25,480
the first fight was as vicious, as savage, as brutal,

1464
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,239
as hard hitting, and they didn't do so without skills.

1465
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,280
But they wanted to just get in there and fight

1466
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,480
their ass off. Round five of this fight is one

1467
01:06:32,519 --> 01:06:35,079
of the greatest rounds you will ever see. There was

1468
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:40,599
all kinds of drama, the the the amount of excitement

1469
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:42,760
in this fight and just the ooze and the os,

1470
01:06:43,239 --> 01:06:45,159
and you know, it's palpable. If you ever listened to

1471
01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:49,239
the HBO broadcast with Jim Lampley calling this fight, you know,

1472
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:53,000
a tremendous, tremendous battle. Now, Morales, he's making his ninth

1473
01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:56,840
defense of the WBC title. Brera had regained the WBO title,

1474
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:58,920
so he was making his third defense of a second

1475
01:06:59,239 --> 01:07:03,679
title reign, and it was voted the fight of the

1476
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,679
year by many many people Ring Magazine for example, round

1477
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,159
five Round of the Year for most people. Morales did

1478
01:07:09,199 --> 01:07:11,039
get knocked down in the twelfth round. It was kind

1479
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:15,000
of a like a questionable close maybe you know, debatable knockdown.

1480
01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:16,920
It turned out not to impact the result of the

1481
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,280
fight because it was in fact it was Morales who

1482
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,599
won the split decision, So even by getting knocked down,

1483
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,559
he still wound up getting the NOD in the fight.

1484
01:07:24,639 --> 01:07:26,920
But at the moment it happened, the fight was so close,

1485
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:28,960
you're like, oh my god, maybe that's going to change

1486
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,119
the result. Of the fight, and in the end of

1487
01:07:31,159 --> 01:07:33,920
the match, you know just how close it was. You're

1488
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,079
talking about scores of one fourteen, one thirteen and one

1489
01:07:37,199 --> 01:07:40,199
fifteen one twelve in favor of Morales and one fourteen

1490
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,719
one thirteen in favor of Berera. Now, I told you

1491
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,519
TJ that it was a unification fight when the fight

1492
01:07:45,639 --> 01:07:48,599
was over, but Morales never had any intention of accepting

1493
01:07:48,639 --> 01:07:51,119
the WBO title. I told you that the WBO was

1494
01:07:51,159 --> 01:07:54,280
not highly regarded at that time. Morales wanted no part

1495
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,679
of the WBO belt, so he did not take it.

1496
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,039
And it was basically, and you know, I'll use the

1497
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:02,320
phrase I use off this the WBO doing WBO things.

1498
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,280
They just gave it back to Morera, even though it lost,

1499
01:08:04,679 --> 01:08:07,679
and Morales literally like literally just gave it back.

1500
01:08:07,719 --> 01:08:10,159
Speaker 2: We didn't have a vacant title fight involving Morera.

1501
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,039
Speaker 3: We just gave it back to it and Morales Morales.

1502
01:08:13,079 --> 01:08:16,399
After this fight was over, he vacated the WBC title

1503
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,199
and went up to the featherweight division for his next fight,

1504
01:08:19,239 --> 01:08:19,479
where you.

1505
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 1: You imagine how that locker room conversation went, perhaps in Spanish,

1506
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:24,640
about no take it back. I don't know what the

1507
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,680
Spanish is no, no, take it back. No, no, you're good,

1508
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,159
No he doesn't want it, take.

1509
01:08:28,039 --> 01:08:32,279
Speaker 3: It back, no titles. Is an absolutely fucking spectacular fight. Yes,

1510
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,399
I could watch that fight all day basically. I mean

1511
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,359
the third fight was the fight of the year also,

1512
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,560
and I love that fight as well, particularly because I

1513
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,319
have vivid memories of being ringside for it. But I

1514
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:46,039
still love the first fight more than the third fight,

1515
01:08:46,079 --> 01:08:47,920
even though I love both of them. The second fight,

1516
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,600
like we've talked about many times, in a trilogy, sometimes

1517
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,199
there's the one that's not as good as the other ones.

1518
01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:55,960
And the second fight of Barrera Morales well also a

1519
01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:58,479
very If you never saw the first fight and you

1520
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,600
never saw the third fight, you'd watched this, Oh that's

1521
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,880
a damn good fight, but you also realize it isn't

1522
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,520
kind of in the same stratosphere as one and three,

1523
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,479
but still a really high level fight. What I always

1524
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,479
find interesting, by the way, about the trilogy is the

1525
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,640
three fights that they had were all world championship fights

1526
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,560
fought in three successive divisions. First fight was in the

1527
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,520
one twenty two way class, as we were talking about,

1528
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,279
second fight was in the featherweight division. Third fight was

1529
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:23,119
in one hundred and thirty pound division, and obviously those

1530
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,960
two fighters both won titles in all three of those divisions.

1531
01:09:27,039 --> 01:09:29,159
Morales ended up getting a title as well at one

1532
01:09:29,239 --> 01:09:33,560
hundred and forty pounds. But they made their names as

1533
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:36,640
great fighters with each other. You know, you might look

1534
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:40,439
at the funny thing about is their fights against each other,

1535
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,680
as amazing and incredible as they are, I think that

1536
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,119
there are certain people, myself included to some degree in

1537
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:48,880
terms of their best win is not necessarily the one

1538
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:50,880
that they scored against the other guy in this trilogy,

1539
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:54,079
because when you look at Marco Antonio Barrera, I think

1540
01:09:54,279 --> 01:09:55,479
I have to say, and I think a lot of

1541
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,279
people would agree with me, his biggest win was when

1542
01:09:58,279 --> 01:10:01,560
he just completely took apart Prince nasim I met as

1543
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:04,399
a big underdog, And in terms of Eric Morales, it's

1544
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,840
one of the best big time wins in the last

1545
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,520
at least in my tenure twenty five years, when he

1546
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:11,760
went out there and straight out beat Nanny Paco, who

1547
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,840
was on the ascent in their first fight. Ended up

1548
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:16,800
losing in the second and the third fight. But you know,

1549
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:18,399
when you got a guy that scores that kind of

1550
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:20,680
victory against the undefeated Prince Nasim in the Hall of Fame.

1551
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,800
Now he had the other guy who scores the kind

1552
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,039
of win. He did an amazing fight against Manny Pacyow.

1553
01:10:26,079 --> 01:10:27,520
You know who's going to be in all. He's going

1554
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,479
in being inducted into the Hall of Fame this coming summer.

1555
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:32,800
Those are huge wins. But they'll be remembered for what

1556
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:36,840
they did against each other, the passion, the Mexican rivalry,

1557
01:10:37,079 --> 01:10:39,159
the hatred between them. And by the way, the hatred

1558
01:10:39,239 --> 01:10:41,800
was not just based on you know, maybe they called

1559
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,720
each other's mama a bad name. There was a class distinction,

1560
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,279
and I came to learn this covering the trilogy. Marco

1561
01:10:47,279 --> 01:10:52,079
Antonio Brera came from an upper class Mexican family in

1562
01:10:52,079 --> 01:10:56,279
Mexico City. His parents were professionals. He had gone he

1563
01:10:56,319 --> 01:11:00,199
had I think he had some college. But Eric Morales

1564
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,960
was considered like quote unquote the Indian. He was from Tijuana,

1565
01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:06,880
very poor, you know, born above a gym in Tijuana.

1566
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:08,800
His father was a boxing ger. They did not come

1567
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:10,800
from any means at all, and they were looked down

1568
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,199
upon within that society as like, you know, the poor

1569
01:11:13,239 --> 01:11:16,880
folks and you know, the the shunned people in society.

1570
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,760
Whereas Brera was coming from the upper crust Morales not

1571
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:22,319
and so there was that class distinction that they were

1572
01:11:22,399 --> 01:11:24,960
duking it out over. Also, that was a very big

1573
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:27,239
part of that rivalry, at least if you talked to

1574
01:11:27,239 --> 01:11:29,319
the folks that covered it from Mexico. So when I

1575
01:11:29,359 --> 01:11:32,319
went to cover the rematch, I remember talking to my

1576
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:36,079
writer colleagues and media colleagues that were they were there

1577
01:11:36,279 --> 01:11:37,920
and were explaining this to me as well as like

1578
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,640
the late great Ricardo Jimenez, who was from many many

1579
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,119
years one of the top rank publicists, who obviously was

1580
01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:45,760
Mexican and was intimately familiar with all the things I'm

1581
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:47,720
just talking about. So I remember sitting with him at

1582
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,239
one point during that fight we can happen. He was

1583
01:11:50,359 --> 01:11:52,800
sort of explaining all this stuff to me, besides just

1584
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:54,840
what we had seen in the first fight and the

1585
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:56,880
great rivalry that it had produced and the great fighter

1586
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:58,840
had produced. So there was a lot of shit going

1587
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,479
on besides us, you know, two guys duking it out.

1588
01:12:02,359 --> 01:12:04,399
Speaker 1: Love it. And it was twenty five years ago this

1589
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,319
coming Wednesday, on February.

1590
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 3: Nineteenth, I'm going to rewatch that one.

1591
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:12,079
Speaker 1: Wow, including that fifth round of that opening fight. Listen,

1592
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:16,760
great stuff. Again, we recap the Keyshawn Davis win, We

1593
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:18,880
go to the England and the Barboza win in the

1594
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:24,239
slight upset of Catterall, the victory as well in the

1595
01:12:24,279 --> 01:12:26,720
Golden Boy Maine event for Oscar Duarte. Duarte may end

1596
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,960
up fighting Barboso before it's over with for the WBO title.

1597
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:31,199
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for that.

1598
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:35,560
Speaker 1: And now we have reached the week of this tremendous

1599
01:12:36,399 --> 01:12:40,319
read season card, which we may start the Big Fight

1600
01:12:40,399 --> 01:12:44,159
weekend preview coming up in about twenty three minutes, I think.

1601
01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm exaggerating.

1602
01:12:46,039 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: Can't wait for this later this week when we get

1603
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,319
the preview going and the bet Us show.

1604
01:12:51,319 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 2: Donald.

1605
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 1: David Dubois, Daniel Doblox, excuse me, Daniel Dubois defending his title.

1606
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:01,199
The Russians better be Devan b Bowl. And again here

1607
01:13:01,279 --> 01:13:03,359
Dmitri b Bole in the most recent pod, you way

1608
01:13:03,399 --> 01:13:07,199
to run down their cart, Shakur Stevenson, Carlos Adamas, Hams

1609
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:07,760
of Sharaz.

1610
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 2: What am I leaving out here?

1611
01:13:09,359 --> 01:13:10,239
Speaker 3: Well, that's why you asked me.

1612
01:13:10,279 --> 01:13:10,319
Speaker 1: So.

1613
01:13:10,399 --> 01:13:12,039
Speaker 3: The main event, of course, is the rematch for better

1614
01:13:12,119 --> 01:13:14,880
BF b BO for the undisputed light heavyweight Duboi defending

1615
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:18,239
the IBF heavyweight title against Joseph Parker. Excellent matchup. Chaquurse

1616
01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:22,079
Stevenson in the WBC lightweight title defense against Floyd Schofield.

1617
01:13:22,359 --> 01:13:25,399
Carlos Adamis defending the WBC Midlewa title against the number

1618
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:30,000
one challenger, Hamsi Shiraz. A fantastic matchup between Virgil Artist,

1619
01:13:30,039 --> 01:13:33,000
who is the WBC's interim jumor midaway title holder, taken

1620
01:13:33,039 --> 01:13:37,159
on Israel Majumov. Another outstanding heavyweight title title fight of sorts.

1621
01:13:37,399 --> 01:13:40,239
This is for the vacant WBC Interim heavyweight title. Yeah,

1622
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:43,319
that will take putting the title the title stuff aside.

1623
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,119
Good match between Zilly Zang and your boy A G.

1624
01:13:46,279 --> 01:13:50,520
Cabio excellent matchup. And then Joshuo Bwasi defending his WBO

1625
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,640
Interim light heavyweight title against Callum Smith. Obviously the winner

1626
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:54,800
that fight is going to be in line to fight

1627
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:55,720
the winner of the main event.

1628
01:13:56,199 --> 01:13:56,319
Speaker 1: Uh.

1629
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,039
Speaker 3: That is a tremendous fucking card. End of story.

1630
01:13:59,399 --> 01:14:00,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, be great.

1631
01:14:00,359 --> 01:14:01,239
Speaker 1: We're gonna previe, by the way.

1632
01:14:01,319 --> 01:14:05,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, I also mentioned yes the price on the pay

1633
01:14:05,079 --> 01:14:07,159
per view. I mean I'm gonna tip the cap the

1634
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:09,560
Turkey yl sheet because he stated a number of months

1635
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,840
ago that he was going to definitely bring down the

1636
01:14:12,039 --> 01:14:13,960
cost of pay per views. Now, in a perfect world,

1637
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they wouldn't put it on pay per view, would just

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be on whatever platform they were gonna work with. The

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Zone obviously is what they've been going with. But if

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you're gonna buy a pay per view, how could you

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not buy this? It's twenty six, twenty five ninety nine

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or twenty six ninety nine. It's super cheap based on

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pay per views stan relative, I mean, a lot of

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pay per views are seventy five eighty dollars summer forty

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or fifty dollars for this caliber of a show. Back

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when Don King did the eight world title fight show

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in like two thousand and four or five, whatever we've

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talked about before. Back then, you know, the price of

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the payper was like fifty sixty bucks. This is now

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fast forward to twenty twenty five, it's like twenty five

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twenty six dollars.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing, that's and that's well done on their part,

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and we look for to talk about.

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Speaker 3: It besides just pay per view on his own pay

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per view. Uh, they were not able to come to

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terms with ESPN plus pay per view, but it will

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be available on your regular linear television through in Demand

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and their digital arm which are friends at PPV dot

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com for that same price. So tremendous value on the card.

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And I'm not pimping it because they're not paying me

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a damn dime for it. I wish they were, but

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it's a tremendous of value on it.

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Speaker 1: It's arguably gonna be the card of the year already

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in February, just for the depth of it and all

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the titles and the names that are on and I the.

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Speaker 3: Only the only fight that's a wide odds fight in

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my mind is Shakur and and.

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Speaker 1: On the Schofield at least has promise and has credibility.

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You wouldn't say that he's fighting a ballm He's not

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fighting a bomb no fighting.

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying is the other six fights Watzi Smith Is,

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jang Kebia, Ortiz Maagem and Damas Shiraz Dubois Parker better

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01:15:55,079 --> 01:15:57,920
be a vivo. Not one fight that I just mentioned

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would be considered some kind of massive upset. They are.

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You know, there's guys who should be favored in the fight,

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but they are and these are not walk over abouts.

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These are real fights with real guys taking real challenges

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against quality opposition, which is what we asked for. And

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that's why in one way I'm excited for the bet

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01:16:16,199 --> 01:16:17,760
Us Show and the other way I'm nervous because it's

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a horror. These are hard fights to pick.

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Speaker 1: Ben tremendous stuff. Listen, great stuff here. I'm glad you're

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01:16:25,359 --> 01:16:29,279
feeling better. We had a bunch to recap. We got

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01:16:29,359 --> 01:16:31,800
it done. We got this massive fight week over in

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01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,319
Saudi Arabia. The only downside, and we're not gonna go

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01:16:34,359 --> 01:16:37,359
for other five minutes, is it's so stinking far away

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01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:41,000
that we're kind of detached. But that's okay because you

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01:16:41,039 --> 01:16:43,479
can go here from Dimitri Beebel right here on this

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pod feed.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have a lot stay on Dan Substack.

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01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 1: As well as.

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01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:50,159
Speaker 3: Joseph Parker on the pod.

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01:16:50,359 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: Joseph Parker on the pod, who's going against Daniel dubois

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01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:57,199
uh with a heavyweight title challenge that's deserved because of

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01:16:57,279 --> 01:17:00,840
the wins that he's had. I love that interview when

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01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,319
you're asking him about, Hey, do you love the underdog

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01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:04,760
role and he said, yeah, it's worked for me.

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01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing it's worked for me. Why does he not

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01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:08,000
love the underdog.

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Speaker 1: Role right now? In this shot with Dubois mess it

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up for him, So again, check all of that out

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and get ready to preview beyond Dan substack this week,

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my friend, have a good week, Glad you're feeling better

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01:17:18,119 --> 01:17:21,159
and let's get rolling. That'll do it for this edition

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to the Fight Freaks Unite Recap for Dan Rayfield on

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01:17:23,319 --> 01:17:26,159
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