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College Basketball Insider, host of Fox Sports Radio and UH

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his very own podcast is welcome in Aaron Torres to

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the show. What's up? Aaron? How are you.

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Speaker 2: Bet? I'm good man? Always a privilege, gender, a pleasure

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to come on with you. How you guys do it today?

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Speaker 3: Doing fantastic. It's a beautiful day here in the great

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State of Utah. U Yu got got a dub. I

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much need a dove, a marquee dub, A resume building dub.

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It's been they didn't have a marquee win. How impactful

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do you think that Iowaish State win was for this

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BYU basketball resume?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, for the resume. I just think it's

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for the psyche because listen, you know b Yu is

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gonna make the tournament. It's not going to be necessarily

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the seating that anybody hoped for when we talked about

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this team, and you know, September, October, November coming into

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the year. But I think more than anything, and by

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the way, you know, there was nothing on the resume

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outside of the Oklahoma State game that was really worrying.

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But I I you know, you know the fan base

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better than I do, Ben, and I think you're probably

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around the team. I don't think I know you're around

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the team more than I am, and so I think

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you would have a better feel for if Emotionally, this

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was a win that they needed to have, and I

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think when you get that win over an Iowa State

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team that, of course, when they released the mock bracket

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on Saturday, was trending as a number one seed. What

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that basically means is that on the right night, you

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can beat just about anybody. And like I said, it's

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obviously with the injuries and everything, been a little bit

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of a disappointing season. But you know, in some ways,

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the season is just now beginning, and you don't want to.

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I always hate when people only kind of you know,

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crystallized in college basketball season into four or five six

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games in an NCAA tournament. But you know, you can

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make up for some degree of disappointment by just doing

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what you did on Saturday when you get into that

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big bracket a few weeks from now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and when I say resume building, to me, this

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Bay You basketball team is good there. I think they have.

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some help with seeding in order to make a run

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in the NCAA to otherwise they could be they could

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be on the outs early, earlier than expected. And at

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that leading up to that Iowa stay game, I think

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out and we got we acquired a lot of great talent,

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but the ROI hasn't been there. We have too many

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season ending injuries of the Dawson Baker injury, the Richie

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many injuries before, and they kind of felt a little deflated,

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knowing that they would get to an NCAA tournament, but

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that the seating may not be most beneficial and the

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personnel may not be good enough to get them deeper

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, that's totally fair, and I do tend to agree.

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what would be the advantageous draw and who you would

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the name of aj De bos On your team, you're

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gonna have a chance against anybody, And so, yes, would

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you like to see this team at full strength? Of course?

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men in college basketball? Of course? But the reality is

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the tournament either. There are teams that even good teams

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that like it doesn't really matter what the draw it is,

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they have no chance. And I do still think b

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YU has a chance because of AJ. And you know,

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we saw the best of what he's capable of. I

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know Kevin Young said after the game he thought it

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was the most complete game that AJ has had as

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a BYU Cougar. And again, I just I know it's

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the obvious point, but I think it's an important one.

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he can do it about just he can do that

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against just about anybody in the country. And if you

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who you're matched up with, before I could say whether

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a run or not. But like I said, despite all

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the injuries, yeah, to quote dumb and dumber, you're saying

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there's a chance, And I absolutely think there's a chance

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because of the talent of the guys that are still

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Speaker 3: Aaron, what have you been covering on your podcast over

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the weekend and leading up to today's show and maybe

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tomorrow' show? What are you going to be covering?

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Speaker 2: Well, there's a guy, nam Darren Peterson, who's certainly made

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a lot of headlines. I'm one that I've been critical

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and for people who just see a social media post

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of mine or aren't familiar with me or whatever, I've

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been critical. But I think I think it could all

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be solved with with with Garrek Peterson releasing a statement.

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with ESPN today where he had one quote that went viral,

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but if you actually read the article, there's like four

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or five quotes that actually don't make you feel good

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about the situation. And all I'll say is, you know,

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and I think it's this is a unique audience to

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be talking to about this. But I've really tried to

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give him the benefit of the doubt Darren Peterson for

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literally months upon months to start the season. I do

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think that YU game is where my opinion started to

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change of if this is cramps. We all watch the game,

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every person listening to you right now, Ben watch that

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specific game. He did not treat the cramps like any

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person that I have ever seen in sports history that

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had cramps. You know, no, no work with the trainers,

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you know, no, no, no stretch.

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Speaker 3: Of pickle juice. You know what I mean, where's the

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pickle juice?

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Speaker 2: All of the above. Yeah, and it's just and oh,

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by the way, then the videos come out of his

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agent coming down and talking to the ad and so

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you know, I do think that's the biggest topic right now.

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just for his own benefit to quiet the noise that listen.

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it's like, oh, you just want them to say something

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because you're in the media and like all I'll say,

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is I think it would actually be doing himself a

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huge service to just tell his side of the story

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of what's really going on. But you know, when you

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don't tell your side of the story, when you leave

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it up to speculation, you know, you have the situation

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like we find ourselves in now. And I don't go

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along with this answer. But let me just say one

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more thing is you know one thing that I've been

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kind of disappointed in, and I did tweet about it today,

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is this notion from other people in our business, if

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you're not on the inside, you shouldn't be speculating. Well, actually,

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that's our job as the media is to use the

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information that we have to draw conclusions. And if nobody

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from Kansas is going to tell us the truth, then

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we have nothing to do but speculate. So obviously that's

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been a big story, along with you know, two great

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matchups this weekend, all that stuff. It's been It's actually

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a really fun time of year, and I hate that

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all of us, including me certainly, are spending so much

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time talking about the Darren Peterson stuff.

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Speaker 3: Do you think he was actually injured or do you

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think he's he's bluffing you?

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Speaker 2: Know, every every game, it feels a little bit different,

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you know. And what I would say, and this was

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the part that I said on the show today, is

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that is that maybe he is injured. And I certainly

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think you can look at film of him in high

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school and say that he's injured. But what I would

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also say is this Ben, is that I feel like,

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You know, I'm not on first eight whatever. There were

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three times that I felt like he really got criticized.

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It was after the BYU gave. It was Arizona on

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Big Monday when he didn't play, and it was obviously

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Oklahoma State after you know, two games ago. And I

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only bring it up because all I will say is

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this two things is one is that he has played

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essentially the most minutes he's played all year in games

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directly after he has been criticized. And then what I

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would also say is if you pay close attention, he

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essentially only pulls himself out of games like BYU, like

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Oklahoma State when he is both playing well and the

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team is comfortably ahead, and so all I will say

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is if it is not load management, there are a

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lots of coincidences and when specifically he's coming out of

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games and how he reacts to criticism. So you could

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draw your conclusions on what I think based on what

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Speaker 3: So who is your takeover all next in this next

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year's NBA draft, AJ, Darren or somebody else?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean listen one, I go aged one And

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I would say this if I was on in Lawrence

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right now. It's not just because I'm on in Provost. Available.

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Best ability is availability. And then the guy that I

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love is unfortunately out right now is Caleb Wilson. I

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actually would would have Caleb Wilson above Darren Peterson right

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now as well. And what I would say about DP

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another thing that I keep saying is one of two

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things is true, and neither of them is good for him,

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because he's obviously going to be asked about this at

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the combine and when he meets with teams, and you know,

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realistically he's not going to fall past two, three, four

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somewhere in that range. One of two things is going on,

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and behind door number one and door number two. Neither

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is good. Either he has some injury that the best

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doctors at the University of Kansas or Kansas University have

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spent six months unable to figure out, or he's thanking

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an injury which might even be worse. And so either one,

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I think puts him in a tough situation. By the way,

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the thing that cracks me up, because I keep hearing

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this a lot, is well, you know, none of it

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matters if he just plays March madness, and it's like, well,

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actually it does matter, because then that confirms that he

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was just faking it the whole time. So, like I said,

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I just think he has dug himself a hole. And

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I think the best thing that he can do, other

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than just consistently playing game in and game out, is

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to just do some sort of media availability where he

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kind of explains this side of the story. I truly

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believe that have.

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Speaker 3: You ever heard him in front of the media. Is

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he an introvert? Does he not artake well? He seems

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already a little bit despondent, almost like in like his

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body language. I mean, he's a basketball player that he

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goes about doing his work, but like he's not overly

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interacting with anybody, you know what I mean, Like it

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doesn't seem like maybe it would do him. He thinks

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he would do more of a disservice to himself if

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he actually went in front of a microphone.

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Speaker 2: So it's funny you say that. So my Fox Sports

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radio partner Jason Martin, who I host on Saturday Nights with,

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he's he's a college hoops guy, but he doesn't follow

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it necessarily on a day to day basis like you

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and I do, and a lot of the audience does.

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Ben And he actually asked me on air, this would

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have been Saturday night, he said, so, like, am I

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missing something? Has he done a media availability? And from

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what I remember, I could be wrong, and I may

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be wrong. I don't remember him doing any postgame media availability,

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even in games that he's finished, and even in games

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that he's played well. He did, to his credit, go

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to Big twelve Media Day. He did a few interviews there,

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but we also know, you know, all the main TV

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partners are a Big twelve media Day. I suspect a

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lot of the stuff was taped for the season like,

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I don't remember him doing a lot that specific day,

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aware of he's done any postgame media availability. And one,

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I give coach Young, I give aj De Bonds a

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lot of credit ags out there, wins, losses, whatever, he's

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going out there and facing the media and answering tough questions.

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But two, I really think that in this world where

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everybody works with an agency and everybody has a quote

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unquote camp, I think that that his camp thinks that

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this is the right approach, and I actually think it's

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being one hundred percent wrong approach. And I know I've

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said it four or five six times now, but I

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think when you don't speak at all, it allows everybody

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else to create a narrative that may be true and

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may be false. And I think whoever is advising him,

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he's only eighteen nine years old. Clearly he's being advised

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by somebody. I think whoever's advising him is giving him

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just bad information. Point play.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right. That's one of the things

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that we discussed. It's like, look, whoever the power brokers are,

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whoever his influencers are, parents agent, it seems like they

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may be a little bit inexperience in the PR game

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because they've gone into reactionary mode where they're like, Hey,

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Myron Metcalf, do you want to do an interview? Hey

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personal development coach? Can you put something out on Twitter

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about how hard that? You know what I mean. It's like,

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it just seems very manufactured. It's reactive, it's not proactive.

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It seems like there's a lack of self awareness, right,

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it's a lack of internal team awareness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think the other thing too that I

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would say, one, I agree with all that. The other

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thing that I would say too is one, it is

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very reactive. Like I said a minute ago, it's amazing

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how he always seems to play the most minutes immediately

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after being criticized. And then the other thing that I've

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been thinking about with him is, you know, I do

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think there have been injuries at various points, but I

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also think, you know, like as an example, like the

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Knight that he missed the game against the number one

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team in the country with the fluke, you know. And

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again to your point, Ben, he did an interview with

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Myra Metcalf today he sort of addressed that at whatever

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but my biggest takeaway, because you asked me what my

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takeaway was, and it has changed throughout the season. I

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do think it's something where he's not he's just decided

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that if he's not one hundred percent, he's basically not

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playing until he's actually gotten pushed back, and that's fine.

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And I don't think he's somebody who should be forcing

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himself out there if he doesn't feel healthy. We understand

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there's something bigger at stake here over the course of

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the next ten, twelve, fifteen years of his career. But

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I also do think that if you're an nbagm again,

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I think you probably have to be a little bit

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worried of, you know it, if he can't make it

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through two weeks of a college season completely healthy without

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something popping up. You know, forget eighty two games, are

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you going to get seventy out of them? Are you

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gonna get sixty five? That's concerning it nineteen twenty years old.

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Speaker 3: It really is Aaron Torres, Ladies and gentlemen, Aaron, best

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way to support you what you do, how you do

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it for all of our listeners is where I guess

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we're coming up on a break here. Shortly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. First of all, Ben, I didn't know you hosted

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you know, Jayhawk ninety five to five the game in

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probo here, So I appreciate us doing a you know,

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I'm totally kidding, totally kidding, man, No college hoops, college football,

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Aaron Torres podcast, you know where we stream every morning,

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so you know I'll be on it, you know, eight Pacific,

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nine Mountain Tomorrow morning, breaking down the games tonight whatever

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the big stories pop up, and then yeah, I know

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you got to get to a break. So just Aaron

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underscore Torres on Twitter. We have our tours on BYU page,

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which is a BYU student helps me run with all

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my content, a lot of funs off and a lot

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of kooks covered hopefully for several more weeks before this

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basketball season ends.

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Speaker 3: Real quick, how far do you think, b what you

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can get in the NCAA tournament?

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Speaker 2: Just off the top, what what you said was right

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is that I do think it will be draw dependent.

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But I think when you got agent at BOXI you

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got a chance, and I really truly do believe that at.

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Speaker 3: Least sweet sixteen or is that is that the seedling listen?

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Speaker 2: Man? I know it was in provo, if you can

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beat if you can beat Iowa State, Iowa State. It's

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a really good team, NBA players, great defense, and AJ

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just made them, you know, look silly. And that's not

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an insult to them, it's a compliment to him. But yes,

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I think Sweet sixteen is in play. I don't I

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don't know how much time we have. I mean, what

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are we looking at as a seed here? A five

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to six seeds somewhere in that range. If there's nothing

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catastrophic that happens the next.

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Speaker 3: Week or the Unfortunately, we don't have enough time. My

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producers already tell me, Ben, you got to get the break.

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So I salute you. I appreciate you. Aaron Torres, follow him,

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listen to him, subscribe to him. Eron, We salute you man.

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Thanks so much.

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Speaker 2: All right, Ben, have a great afternoon.

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