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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the

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Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. It is Sunday,

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August second, ten forty nine pm, the eve of the

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twenty twenty six World Series of Poker Main Event Final Table.

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When you guys are listening to this, it will be

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the day of the first of three days for the

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Epic Finish two, the greatest poker tournament in the world. Sorry,

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Matt Savage, you gotta hear that. Right out of the gates,

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nine players remain. They are all playing for the ten

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million dollar first place prize. Those nine players came from

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a field of nine thousand, two hundred and eight entries.

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They've had two and a half weeks off, give or

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take a little bit, not your the exact amount of time,

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but it's finally here. It is finally here. I am

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pumped for it. I've watched the episodes. I watched a

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bit of the streams to get caught up on some things,

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see how it all played out a little bit more. Yes,

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I was there in person, but it's always one thing

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to be there in the room on the floor. It's

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always another thing to uh to see all the action

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come through the screen, via the streams, via the episodes.

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It's been it's been a lot of fun to get

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caught up. The time frame here between reaching the final

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table and then you know, getting to it on Monday feels,

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i'll say a little bit awkward because it's you know,

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it's about two and a half weeks. It's not like

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the full November nine experience. But it's also not right after.

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It's not the the day after. You know, they did

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take that day off recently. So I'm ready for it

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to be here and I'm happy that it's going to

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be able to to see through to the end. Just

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got done with was down at the Poker Grove Studio

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for shout out to the guys on the Poker News

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podcast Chat Holloway, Ben Ludlow, and Mike Holtz. They just

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had their one thousandth episode. It was a live in

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show ordeal. A lot of fun to be down there.

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I would say sixty to seventy people in the room,

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had a lot of different guests, a couple people from

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the couple players from the main event final table. Greg

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Mueller was there, Michael Gagliano Gaggs was also in the building.

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They had a former main event final table list there

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as well. Jeremy Osmas was there, Jamie Gold was hanging

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around also. I hopped on there for a couple of minutes.

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Sarah Herring got on there as well. It was really

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cool to be there and see that all come together,

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and glad those guys got to do it, and glad

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we got to help them by allowing them to use

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the studio because I would say quite the perfect setting

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for this sort of thing. Also, the timing was just

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great eve of the WSP main event final table, so

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a lot of people in town got to see my

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Lance Bradley out there, tons of others as well, So

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really cool for that to happen. I'm sure that's going

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to be dropping on their feed, both on YouTube and

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on the podcast players pretty soon, so make sure that

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you check that out. I did look back. I was

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on the first ever Poker News podcast. I couldn't remember

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if I was or if I wasn't, but I did

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find some stuff online. A lot of it's just not

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available from the old stuff. But the first one was

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Matt Parvus hosting and it was ahead of the November

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nine so kind of coincidentally times up with what we're

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talking about here twenty ten, I believe it was, and

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he had myself on alongside Eric Ramsey and Mickey Doft,

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and we previewed the final table. We gave some take

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some thoughts on it. So that was the first ever

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episode of the Poker News podcast. Rich Ryan producer Rich

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producer here was also producer there. The guys just been

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an absolute freakin' lifer. Tries to get out of poker,

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but we won't let them. We still got pods that

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need producing. They got to be edited, always be producing, sir,

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Let's go. You know so again, just check out the

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Poker News Podcast one thousandth episode when that drops as

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soon as it does for us here on the Poker

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Go Podcast. This show today just going to be running

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to the final table. I got some bio stuff that

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I want to hit on. I know I did talk

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a lot of bit about these players, but a little

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bit of a refresh here, both for you guys out there,

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but also for myself. You just make sure that I

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remind myself who everyone is, and then I want to

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kind and dig into I don't know, just some thoughts

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that I have going into the final table. There's been

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a lot of talk out there on social media on

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ICM and like start, a final table approaches based on

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where everyone is in chips, So I'm going to touch

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on that a little bit. I'll give some thoughts on,

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you know, how this thing could play out at the start,

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what I think might happen, or maybe what I hope

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might happen. Maybe I'm leaning into this is what I

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want to see versus what I think we'll see. And

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then also I just have some kind of thoughts, some

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questions that I was I throw myself because I'm the

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only one on this damn show. So that's what we're

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gonna do, and then we will get to you guys

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out of here. Three days for the w s AP

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ESPN two or ESPN if I have the schedule correct.

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On Monday, we're gonna be live, not we but you know,

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w s AP Main Elevment Final Table is gonna be

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live on ESPN two. It starts at nine Eastern time,

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six Pacific, and it's scheduled to go nine to twelve,

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but of course it'll probably get determined by play, you know,

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if it's like last year when MS Rocky just just

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ran through the final table like it was just you know,

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I mean, that guy just absolutely steamrolled that freaking thing.

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that they obviously won't play him too late. They'll probably

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try and get down to I'll say five or six

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players is usually the target on this first day. Then

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they'll come back on Tuesday, same time slot nine to

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twelve Eastern that's six to nine Pacific time. That'll be

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on ESPN, So the main main ESPN. He won as

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I believe they call it. So that's gonna get to

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the second batch of this final table will take us

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down to either three handed play or heads uplay. And

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they're gonna come back on Wednesday, ten thirty Eastern time

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start seven thirty Pacific time, is what I'm saying on

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the schedule. That's also gonna be on ESPN, and that's

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gonna take us right down to a winner ten million

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dollars up top. Believe it's Ali Najade and Nick Schulman

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on the call. Those two are the goats. I can't

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wait to tune in for that. I'm gonna be there,

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but I'm also gonna have the stream on. I'm gonna

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try and like double dip and not get spoiled. But

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of course, because I'm there, because of the delay, I'm

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gonna have some spoilers, So I'm just gonna have to

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deal with it. But I freaking love it. It's the

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best time of the year to be a poker fan.

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Lucas Jumalan is the chip leader entering the WSIP Main

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Event Final table, and holy crap, is it a big

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chip leader. If you guys have been living under a rock,

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this chip leaders out of control. One hundred and ninety

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four million for Jumalan. That's more than thirty five percent

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of the chips in play. In fact, that is the

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most the largest percentage of the final table chips that

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a chip leader has had entering the final nine. I

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think it was Karai. Aldemir was the next closest with

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thirty five point oh six percent. Jumalan's got thirty five

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point oh eight percent. Jumalan definitely has the biggest gap

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between first and second. If if that was that Aldemir year,

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which I could just I could pull it up right

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now because I have it all in my nice little document,

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six percent of the chips in play, one hundred and

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forty million, George Holmes. It was ended, it ended up

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being those two getting heads up had twenty point nine

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six so a difference of about fourteen percent there. But

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ninety four million, thirty five point eight percent of the

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chips in play. Romy Hamoud is in second with seventy

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nine million, fourteen point twenty nine percent, so almost twenty

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one percent more chips than then second place. Here. We'll

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get into the size of the chip lead for Jumalan,

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what it means, what it might mean a little bit

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later on, but right now I'm just kind of running

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through the chips in This is in chip order. When

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I talk about the players in a second, I'll go

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through and see order. Rami Hamoud's in second seventy nine million,

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Jamie Shavell in third with fifty six million. This next

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batch of one, two, three, four, five players, they're all

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bunched really close together. They got Jamie Shavell fifty six million,

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Greg Mueller FBT forty eight point five million for him,

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Michael Gagliano GAS forty six point five million, Mario Boos

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forty four million, Luri Sascalatti thirty seven point five million,

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and then after that you have two short stacks. One

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is slightly ahead of the other one. Han Feng's got

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twenty five million. That is I believe seventeen big lines.

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a twenty two point five million, and that is the

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final table of the DIBYSSIPI main event. Now let's go

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around the table in seat order hit on these players

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a little bit deeper than just naming their chip count.

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In seat one, we have Finland's Louri Sascalatti. He's thirty

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nine years old out of Helsinki, now resides in Spain.

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He has a really cool story, one of the better

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ones from the final table because he's not He doesn't

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list himself as a professional poker player. He works full time,

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or at least he did. Who knows what's gonna come

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after you win seven figures or much more more at

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the WISIP main event, but head of sales for a

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packaging company considers poker more of a hobby than a profession.

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A lot was talked about how his family was coming

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in from Europe for the final table, and then they're

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going to be planning in a vacation down to San Diego,

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also to Disneyland great spots. I was just in San

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Diego myself for a few days with the fam during

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this little break in the action, so that's going to

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be a really fun trip for Sascolatti and his fam.

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His oldest daughter already thinks that her dad is the

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best poker player in the world, and I mean it's

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pretty hard to refute that when you make the wsup

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being main event file say well and the heck if

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he wins the damn thing. I mean, he is the

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best poker player in the world. So Lauri Sescalotti out

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of Finland, thirty nine years old, Seat one, thirty seven

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point five million, twenty five big blinds, see two gags,

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Michael Gagliano. He's quietly put together one of the strongest

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resumes in the A lot has been talked about Greg Mueller,

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and I know we're going to get to him shortly

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about how he's the most experienced, the most accomplished player

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at the table. But let's not sleep on gags. He's

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got four WSOP bracelets, more than two million dollars in

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live earnings. He's a sponsored pro with bet MGM. He's

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spent years and years and years not only playing poker

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both live and online and having a lot of success

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doing so, but he also coaches players. He's very good

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at that. He consults for various poker operators or earth.

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He has right now of course partnered up with bet

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MGM Poker. He's one of those players who's I think

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he's just seen it all when it comes to the game.

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to when I talked with him after they made the

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wsp Man Event final table, you know, it's kind of

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and he also said this again today when we were

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down at the Poker News podcast, a live show. But

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how it's it's just another poker tournament. And you might

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get some for saying that, but for gags, it is.

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And yes, it's awesome and it's the biggest poker tournament

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in the world, but also like he knows exactly what

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this is, this situation. He's played, however, many thousands of

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final tables in his life, live and online. You know,

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just that wealth of experience there. He's got thirty one

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big blinds forty six point five million coming into the

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final table. I mean he's been in this spot time

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and time and time again. It's a poker tournament. There

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are big pay jumps. He's got a thirty big blind stack.

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he's approaching this thing. Just the fact that he has

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seen likely every single situation imaginable. You know, that's I

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think that's a really big advantage. I don't think he's

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someone who's gonna get flustered at all when the lights

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about two and a half weeks off or whatever it was,

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was a little bit awkward for him. It's like almost

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it's too much time to just stay in Vegas, but

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then almost not enough time to like go home and

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actually get settled in New Jersey. But he did go home,

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tried to get settled as much as he could, came

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back out here today to get this done. He's forty

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one years old, I said, he resides in New Jersey.

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He's married with two kids. That is Michael Gagliano in

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Seed two, Seat three, the Frenchman Mario Boose forty four million,

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twenty nine big blinds a full time poker professional. He's

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looking to become the first French player to win the

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WISOP main event. There have been some deep runs, there

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have been some final tables from French players before Anton sayout.

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He actually did it twice. In two thousand and nine

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he finished third for Joshi three point five million, Then

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in twenty seventeen he got fifth for two million. Also

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in twenty seventeen, Benjamin Pollock, another Frenchman, got third place

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for three point five million, and then in twenty thirteen

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it was Sylvan Loosely who got fourth for two point

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eight million. Boose's resume isn't you know, quite as extensive

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as some of the other pros at this table. I mean,

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we just talked about all the stuff, all the success

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that Michael Gagliano has had. But for Boose, you know,

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he's steadily been building his results throughout Europe over the

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last couple of years. His previous best score before this

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run was a sixth place finish from a field of

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more than seven thousand entries in a three hundred and

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eighty euro Italian Poker Sport main event in Rosvedov. That

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was in twenty twenty five, So last year three hundred

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and eighty euros, but he won fifty four thousand, six

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hundred dollars because there was more than seven thousand entries

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in that field. He also won a Swiss Poker Series

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main event in April twenty twenty six or earlier this

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year for more than forty nine thousand dollars. On his

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player profile, he described himself as a survivor and after

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making it through a field of more than nine thy

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two hundred entries, that's pretty fitting. And also, you know,

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at a final table like this, when the pay jumps

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are so large, the minimum pay jump at this basity

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Manhavn final table, he's a quarter of a million dollars.

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So a lot of players will take that let's just

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survive approach. Survive survives, survive, ladder up, ladder up, ladder up,

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And that could really be Boos's m o here. He's

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thirty two years old, he's been playing poker since two

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thy and eleven. Seat four belongs to FBT Greg Mueller.

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He's probably the most accomplished live tournament player left. I

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know Gagliano has more bracelets. Mueller has three, Gagliano has four,

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but everything else on on Mueller's record, I think probably

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lends himself to being the most accomplished live tournament player left.

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He's fifty five years old, is Mueller. He's out a

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white Rock van Hoover at Canada the FBT. His nickname

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stands for full Blown Tilt. He's a former professional hockey

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player who spent years playing hockey in Germany before turning

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to poker full time, and that has obviously worked out

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pretty damn well. He was a recent guest on the

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Face the Ace podcast, Face the Ace Excuse Me podcast

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with Remco Rinkima. You can find that right here on

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this podcast feed or over on the Poker Go YouTube channel,

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So definitely go check that out if you guys haven't already.

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Greg talks about his run. You know, a lot's been

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made about how he kind of was going through the motions,

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he wasn't feeling it. He got into it with his

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good friend Sean Buchanan. He's been on his rail. Bucky

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gave him some tough love and Greg put it all

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together and now here he is in the final nine

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in the World Series of Poker Main Event. So Mula

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talks a lot about that in the podcast with Remco

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so I would highly encourage you guys to go check

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that out. It's a great little appetizer here before we

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get into this main course for the main events. Mueller's

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won three WSP Gold bracelets. I think for Gagliano, by

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the way, it was it's one live, three online. For Mueller,

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all of them are live. In two thousand and nine

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he won two. I think it was within a week

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or a week and a half time that he won

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both of them. He won the ten k limit hold

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Him for four hundred and sixty thousand dollars. Then he

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won the fifteen hundred dollars limit hold Him Shootout for

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one hundred and ninety four thousand dollars. Ten years later,

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twenty nineteen, he won the ten k horse for four

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hundred and twenty five thousand dollars. He's also got two

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seconds in WSP events. He's got two third place finishes

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in WSP events. He also has two WPT final tables

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on his resume, so millions of dollars in tournament earnings

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for Mueller. He's been around the biggest stages in poker.

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Obviously poker tournaments. As I just ran through some of

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those highlights there he's played played in some stream cash

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games as well, you know, so I don't think he's

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someone who's going to be shying away from, you know,

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the bright lights, the cameras and all that sort of stuff.

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So Greg Mueller FBT seat four forty eight point five

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million for him, by the way, thirty two big blinds. Again,

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he's really bunched up in that middle group there, seat five.

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We got Jamie Chevelle with fifty six million or thirty

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seven big lines. Of that group of five players, that's

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that middling bunch. He has the most of that group.

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So it's Jumalan's way up on top. Then you got

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Ramija mood like comfortably in second place, still a bit

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of a ways off of Jumalan, but he's got enough

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gap between him and Jamie Schavelle and the third and

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then it's Chevelle with the biggest of this bunching middle stacks. Here,

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he's one of the veterans of the w CP main event.

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He's thirty nine years old, but he's played this tournament

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eighteen times. I mean, that's just freaking wild. And what's

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even crazier is that he's cast in this event what

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is now eight times two thousand and nine, three hundred

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and fifth for just under thirty thousand dollars. That's his

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first cash on the old Hendon Mob overrunhendonmob dot Com.

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Twenty eleven he got one hundredth for almost fifty five

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thousand dollars. Next year, twenty twelve, he gets three hundred

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and seventy six for thirty two thousand, eight hundred. A

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couple of years when he doesn't cash okay fine. Twenty sixteen,

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he's back two hundred and fifty ninth for thirty six thousand,

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seven hundred. Twenty seventeen, he's running it back four hundred

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and fifteenth for twenty seven thousand, seven hundred dollars. Again,

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a couple of years off. Twenty twenty two bang six

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hundred and thirtieth for twenty three k twenty twenty four

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thirteen hundred and tenth for a min cash of fifteen

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thousand dollars. So those are seven cashes in the w

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SUP main events. That is an incredible record. I Mean,

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there's there's people out there that I know that talk

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about how they've played this tournament ten, fifteen, eighteen times

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and they haven't cashed one. So they've cashed only once

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and it's been a min cash and whatever. But not

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for Jamie Shable. He is a main event grinder here.

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He owns an LED lighting company out in southern California.

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I think it was Santa Monica if I remember correctly.

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He does host some pretty big cash games around the

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LA area. That's his forte. On the last episode that

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I did from that after they made the VENN final table,

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you heard him talk about how you know cash games

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are his jam doesn't play that many tournaments, says that

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winning the WSB main events won't really change his life

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financially successful business has had what looks like plenty of

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success playing poker as well. But the one thing that

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will change is that, even though he is allergic to dogs,

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he promised his kids that if he wins, he's going

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to finally be getting them a dog. So that's pretty cool. There.

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Fifty six million for Chevelle, thirty seven big blinds for

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him in seat five, Seat six is Han Fang. One

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of the two short stacks. Fang's going to be bringing

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twenty five million or seventeen big blinds to the final table.

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He starts near the bottom, but I don't think that

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He's somebody you want to be overlooking. He's twenty seven

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years old on the younger side, not the youngest at

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this final table, but one of the youngest. He's only

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been playing poker since twenty twenty, yet he's already built

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up a couple million dollars in live tournament earnings. He

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was named the GPI Mid Major Player of the Year

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for twenty twenty four. He was born in China. He

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now lives in Houston, Texas. Plenty of tournament experience even

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though he is just twenty seven years old. He's got

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four six figure scores. Prior to this run. He won

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a ws AP Circuit main event in I think it

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was Tulsa twenty twenty four for one hundred and forty

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four k. There that same year, he won the fifteen

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hundred dollars main event at the Champions Club Fall Poker

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Open for one hundred and fifty nine thousand dollars. He's

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had two deep runs in the w SIP main event

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twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four. Twenty twenty three,

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he got three hundred and ninety six for forty thousand dollars.

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Twenty twenty four, two hundred and eighty six for fifty

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thousand dollars. Last December, he got fourteenth in WPT World

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Championship over at the win for one hundred and twenty

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three thousand dollars. So this guy can play, you know.

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I've seen him around. I've seen him on some streams

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as well. He can play. He will get after it. Yes,

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he is a bit restricted here with his stack size

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coming in just seventeen big blinds to work with, but

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he's dangerous. He's coached by Michael Josop. He's been in

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his corner, he's been on his rail. Josoff is a

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high roller, puts in a lot of reps, online play

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some tritons, has played plenty of PGT stuff. So I'm

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sure that's gonna go a bit of a ways for

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Han Fang. You know, of course he's gonna have to

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fight off that short stack and get himself back into

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the mix. But if he does that, he's he's gonna

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be somebody that's gonna be really, really dangerous and could

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be could be a dark horse out there. You know,

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if you like to if you like to bet on

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this sort of stuff and you like to take a

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long shot, you know, He's probably the one that you

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want to take, just given the experience and the skill

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that he has. But then when you put that in

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with the amount of chips that he's bringing, being on

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the shorter side, you might get some good odds, is

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what I'm getting at here for Han Feng seat seven,

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romy Hamoud seventy nine million, firmly in second place, fifty

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three big blinds to work with when things kick off.

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He's from Montreal. He's one of the more relatable stories

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here at the final table because he won his seat

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via a satellite so that's pretty freaking cool. Away from poker,

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he's an analytics manager for a Rowblocks studio. He studied

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actuarial mathematics, which means that he uses math and probability

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all the damn time and he uses it to estimate

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rix risk. Excuse me, So it's probably pretty safe to

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say that that you know this, this whole poker thing

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fits right in with Romy. He's already made one WSP

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final table before, but this one here, of course, is

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poker's biggest title. He's got a legitimate shot at it

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coming in second and here. That final table that he

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made was in twenty twenty four. The WSP five hundred

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dollars Salute to Warriors event foury five hundred and seventeen entries. There,

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Hamood got fifth place for more than fifty seven thousand dollars.

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In twenty twenty three, he won the Playground March Million

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Main event up in Canada four hundred and twenty three

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thousand dollars and Hamood is thirty six years old. Let's

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move on over to seed eight where we got Eva Gorris,

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Eva Goru, the other short sack, the shortest stacker remaining

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twenty two point five million, fifteen big blinds. Forty eight

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years old out of Cyprus. He is an optician by trade.

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He mostly plays cash games back home in Cyprus. This

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is his first trip, if he can believe it, to

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the US. His friends got together bottom of a ticket

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to the World Series of Poker, and here he is

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in the final nine doing the damn thing. He's cashed

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four tournaments at the World Series of Poker this year.

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His first ever WSP cash is among them. He got

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four hundred and eightieth in the Mystery Millions for thirty

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six hundred and fifty dollars. He got three hundred and

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seventy fourth in the Mini main event for forty six fifty.

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Then he got fifteenth in the six hundred dollars Deep

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Stack Championship for almost fourteen thousand dollars. Here in this one,

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of course, guaranteed a million dollars. But he's going to

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have some work to do if he will ladder up.

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You know he did. I would say he played conservative,

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playing down to the final table. So he might be

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one of those short stacks that is simply hard to

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kill her, or that is simply just around because he

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doesn't want to put his money in right. So we'll

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see how it goes for Uveagoro, of course, but he's

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going to have the fewest chips to work with come Monday,

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rounding out the table in seat nine. I guess we're

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just leaving the best for last, or at least the

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biggest for last. We got the chip leader, twenty two

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year old Lucas Jumelan out of Spokane, Washington, almost two

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hundred million ships, one hundred and ninety four million, and

472
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,519
they unbag him on Monday evening. He's got complete control

473
00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:07,319
with that chip stack. I talked about how he has

474
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,480
more than thirty five percent of the chips in play,

475
00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:13,920
that is freaking wild. We'll get into more on that

476
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,640
on his chip stack and his lead in a bit,

477
00:26:16,839 --> 00:26:20,319
but Jumlan has said that he's been playing poker since

478
00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:22,519
he was eight years old. I don't even know how

479
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:27,000
that's possible, but he says it is. Now he plays professionally.

480
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,279
Also did mention that he was close to giving it

481
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,799
up not too long ago. Didn't know that if he

482
00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:36,440
could do it. His live tournament results before this summer

483
00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:40,039
totaled around one hundred and eight hundred and seventy five thousand,

484
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,720
something like that. So maybe things just weren't going his

485
00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:47,519
way out there on the grind. But here he is thankful,

486
00:26:47,599 --> 00:26:50,160
of course that he didn't give it up, because he's

487
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,759
made the biggest and baddest final table of them all

488
00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:56,279
his friends. His best friends traveled the circuit with him

489
00:26:56,319 --> 00:26:58,599
around They're going to be on the rail all week.

490
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,240
They were in all some rail super fun loud doing

491
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:08,279
the whole damn thing. Hayden Hetland his best friend aka

492
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,920
Big Red. As he's going out there in the poker world,

493
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,920
you know, he could just become the best supporting actor

494
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,759
from this whole wsby Man event final table because he

495
00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:20,640
is an absolute wild man and absolute character out there

496
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,440
on the rail. Yes he's not at the table, but

497
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,480
we could be talking a lot about Big Red for

498
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:29,720
these next three days with how wild and crazy he

499
00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:32,400
might be getting there with his boy doing the damn

500
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,799
thing up there on the table. If Jumalan can close

501
00:27:35,839 --> 00:27:39,200
this out, he would become the second youngest main event

502
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:44,000
champion in history. Joe Katta is the youngest twenty one

503
00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:47,160
years old eleven months and twenty three days when he

504
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,519
won it. If Jumalan wins it, he would be twenty

505
00:27:50,559 --> 00:28:07,839
two years old, four months and twenty seven days. Big

506
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,640
chip lead here, biggest ever, and we can get into that,

507
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,480
you know, straight away here I mentioned thirty five point

508
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,960
zero eight percent of the chips in play, largest percentage

509
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,400
of chips for any final table that any final table

510
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,599
chip leader has started with going back to two thousand

511
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,359
and three. I didn't look prior to them. I don't

512
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,240
really think the data is available, and if it is available,

513
00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:31,400
I don't know how accurate it is, but I trust

514
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,640
this stuff. Going back to Moneymaker's year, this is the

515
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,920
largest percentage that any Final table chip leader has had.

516
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,960
He also has the largest gap in chips between his

517
00:28:41,079 --> 00:28:44,039
stack and second place. Again, it's one hundred and ninety

518
00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:47,720
four million for Jumlan, it's seventy nine million for Hamud

519
00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:50,480
and second. That's a difference of one hundred and fifteen

520
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,599
million or seventy six big blinds. That is freaking wild.

521
00:28:54,839 --> 00:28:58,279
How big of a gap. That is. Another way to

522
00:28:58,319 --> 00:29:00,440
put this into to context, just how how big this

523
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:03,519
chip lead is. Jummalan has more chips than if you

524
00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:07,200
combined second, third, and fourth play stacks. If you took

525
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:10,799
Hamoud stack seventy nine million, Chevelle stack fifty six million,

526
00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:13,480
and Muller stack forty eight point five million, they do

527
00:29:13,599 --> 00:29:16,279
not add up to as many chips as Jumalan has.

528
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,359
That is also wild. I think it's like one hundred

529
00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:22,599
and eighty something million for them combined. Like, it's just crazy.

530
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,160
How big this chip lead is? It really really is.

531
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:32,839
I dug through all the starting stacks, the starting chip

532
00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:35,200
stacks for the final table going back to two thousand

533
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,759
and three. Pretty sure all the information is correct. Forgive

534
00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:41,680
me if there might be some mistakes in some of

535
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,079
the stats, but it just generally paints the picture overall.

536
00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:49,400
Only once has a w S APT Main Event final

537
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,400
table chip leader with at least thirty percent of the

538
00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:57,319
chips in play. Not one, and that was Darvin Moon

539
00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:00,000
back in two thousand and nine. He had thirty points

540
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:02,839
two four percent of the chips in play. He ultimately

541
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,559
finished second to Joe Katta Kat had a six six run.

542
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:09,039
I hate you Ridge Ryan for still pulling that out

543
00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:12,799
in our little fantasy thing back and forth, but yeah,

544
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:17,000
he ultimately beats Darvin Moon. There the other chip leaders

545
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,240
who had at least thirty percent of the final table

546
00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:23,000
chips to start, who then went on to win. You

547
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:26,519
had Greg Ramer back in two thousand and five. Remember

548
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:29,880
Greg Ramer, he was just freaking bulldozing his way through

549
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,640
that main event, had a ton of chips. He had

550
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,039
thirty two zero point thirty nine percent of the chips

551
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:38,119
in play. Goes on to win, of course, twenty ten.

552
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,599
Jonathan Duhamel thirty point zero four percent of the chips.

553
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:45,200
Joe McKeon, we all remember his chip lead. He took

554
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,279
out dan On mcgrand new in eleventh place. He goes

555
00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:52,000
on to just absolutely control that final table. It was

556
00:30:52,039 --> 00:30:54,799
it was really never in doubt that Joe McKeon was

557
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:56,079
gonna win that one. It was one of the most

558
00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:59,079
dominating performances that we've ever seen twenty fifteen was that

559
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:01,039
one he had thirty two point seven to five percent

560
00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:04,000
of the chips in play hosting ens on. We also

561
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:06,559
heard him make some noise in this event with a

562
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,599
very very very deep run made the final two tables,

563
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,960
almost did the damn thing and it went went for

564
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,279
another win. Twenty nineteen for him thirty four point three

565
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,720
eight percent of the chips in play, and then Karry

566
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:21,039
Aldemyer already touched on him. He had thirty five point

567
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,000
zero six percent of the chips and play in twenty

568
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:27,039
twenty one, he went on to win, beating George Holmes.

569
00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:31,440
Going back to and including two thousand and three, so

570
00:31:31,519 --> 00:31:34,640
the year that Chris Moneymaker won the of his main event,

571
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,119
the w s B Main Event chip leaders have averaged

572
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,279
a third place finish in this event, so if you

573
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:44,359
average out all their finishes, they finish in at least

574
00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:49,079
third place, which third place this year is worth three

575
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,680
point seven five million dollars. It's ten million for first,

576
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,000
it is six million per second, it is three point

577
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:03,559
seven million for third. Play. Only twice has the main

578
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:07,720
event chip leader finished outside of the top five and

579
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:11,200
then and both times Funnily enough, it was in ninth

580
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,200
place finish. You had Matthew Sue in twenty twenty two.

581
00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:16,799
Now that that year was a little bit tricky, and

582
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:18,279
I had to do a little bit extra work here

583
00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:21,519
because if you guys remember, I think it was because

584
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,720
Day eight or whatever the day was that was setting

585
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:26,680
the final table. It went so long that they ended

586
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,640
with ten players and they came back with ten. They

587
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,359
didn't come back with nine, so they come back with ten.

588
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,279
They played I think it was seven hands before Astra

589
00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:39,039
Kniff busted. He got it all in with ace king

590
00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:42,519
versus two tens I think, and it just flopped quads

591
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:47,319
for his opponent, Mickey Dueck. But that year, Matthew Sue

592
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:50,079
and espen Georstad, when there was ten players remaining, they

593
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,960
both had the exact same amount of chips, so they

594
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,960
were co main event chip leaders with ten players left.

595
00:32:56,319 --> 00:32:59,000
But to try and keep everything the same throughout all

596
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:02,000
this data that I was looking at, I watched those

597
00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:05,079
seven hands back on stream, right. Sorry, I went through

598
00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:07,440
the Poker News reporting. So if there's narrow here we

599
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,319
got we got to blame Poker New, Sorry, Chad. We

600
00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:12,519
gotta blame you guys. And I busted out a spreadsheet.

601
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:14,319
I did all the math on all the chips for

602
00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:16,200
all the hands, because Poker News does do hand for

603
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,279
hand coverage, and then I saw that Matthew Sue was

604
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:21,799
the chip leader when they started nine hand and play

605
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:24,519
with hand number eight. He ultimately went on to finish

606
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,519
ninth that year. Back in two thousand and seven, Philip

607
00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:32,960
Hilm also finished in ninth there. But other than that,

608
00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:35,039
you know, it really is, it's like fifth or better

609
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,440
for for everyone, and usually it's third or better if

610
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,039
not winning the damn thing. The main event chip leader

611
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:46,200
does perform very very very well at this final table.

612
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:50,680
So knowing that and knowing some of these stats, knowing

613
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,559
these these chip counts, how they all shake out, you

614
00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:57,720
know what can we expect at the final table? There

615
00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:00,839
has been a lot of conversation out there. There always

616
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,559
is every single year, especially when you get some time

617
00:34:03,599 --> 00:34:05,799
off and people are able to crunch some numbers, they're

618
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:08,559
able to run some sims, all that sort of stuff

619
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:12,039
that we really lean into the ICM of it. All Right,

620
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,519
you got ten million dollars up top. Everyone's guaranteed a

621
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:19,280
million dollars right now, the pay jumps are very very large.

622
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,760
The minimum pay jump is two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

623
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,000
That's a quarter of a million dollars. It does jump

624
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:28,119
by a quarter of a million all the way up

625
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:31,119
to six place, so it goes one million for ninth,

626
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,679
one point twenty five, one point five, one point seventy

627
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,400
five for six places. Then the pay jumps start to

628
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,920
get a little larger right once you get into the

629
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,360
final six six to fifth. It goes up five hundred

630
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,880
k up to two point twenty five million. From there

631
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,239
it goes up another five hundred k to two point

632
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,679
seven five million, Then it goes up a million to

633
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,880
three point seven five million, Then it goes up even

634
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,679
more than that, two point two five million to six million.

635
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,800
Then it goes up to ten million, a four million

636
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,119
page jump between second and first. And of course we

637
00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:07,400
know that, you know, there are not deals allowed unfortunately

638
00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:11,159
in WSP events, and in this event. I mean, yes,

639
00:35:11,199 --> 00:35:14,079
people can go do what they want off to the side,

640
00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:16,719
but you know, this amount of money at stake seems

641
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,559
like it might be difficult the times to get things done.

642
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:21,639
But you know, if we hear about it, maybe we'll

643
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:23,519
talk about it. If we don't hear about it as usual,

644
00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:25,920
then you know, we got nothing to say. It is

645
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:32,480
interesting to see where everyone's ICM shakes out right now, Jumalan,

646
00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:35,000
You know we talked about how big his chip lead is.

647
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,199
His ICM percentage is just over twenty percent, So just

648
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,199
just think about like those two discrepancies. He's got a

649
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:44,280
little bit more than thirty five percent of the chips

650
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:49,079
in play, but his ICM percentage is just over twenty percent.

651
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,400
His ICM value is six million, one hundred and eighty

652
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,039
eight thousand, or six million, one hundred and eighty nine thousand,

653
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:58,760
if you want to round up, so almost a full

654
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:03,159
four million dollars short of first place. Like he's his

655
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,840
ICM value is basically sixth place, sorry, second place, excuse

656
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:12,360
me there. No one at the final table has less

657
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,000
than an ICM value of two point one point eight

658
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:20,159
five million, which is basically fifth place. Two point twenty

659
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,000
five million, even that is fifth place. Eva gors Eva Goru.

660
00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:27,079
His ICM value is two million, one hundred and eighty

661
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:30,719
five thousand, six hundred dollars, so like that is basically

662
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:34,480
fifth place. If any of these guys bust before getting

663
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,800
to fifth place, I mean I guess technically based on

664
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:40,320
ICM they lost some value, so that could certainly play

665
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,199
into how things play out on Monday. Now, it is

666
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,159
a little bit interesting because you have these two short sacks,

667
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:51,840
Fang and Eva Goru, who just because they are on

668
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,360
the shortest side of things, like, yes, their ICM value

669
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,599
might be right around that fifth place number, but you

670
00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:02,440
know how many times are both of them or even

671
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,639
just one of them going to realize that, given that

672
00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:07,519
they are on the shortest side of things, right, So

673
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,440
you know, I get it, but overall throughout, you know,

674
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,360
if you do this over millions and millions and millions

675
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,199
of times, that's that's how it's all gonna shake out.

676
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,000
So you know, kind of the obvious next thing to

677
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:22,280
go with is, I guess who has the most pressure

678
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:27,000
on them? From just a general narrative standpoint, like, you know,

679
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:30,159
who's got the pressure on them? You could say Lucas

680
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,719
Jumelan because his chip lead is so large. There's been

681
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,440
a lot of talk. We talked about it a lot

682
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,320
on this podcast here. A lot of people have been

683
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,840
talking about in the media just about how big his

684
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,760
chip lead is. Biggest chip lead entering the WSPM and

685
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,480
men found sab whatever. Okay, so people are expecting him

686
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:52,119
to win. I think also because of his play and

687
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:55,320
how much skill he has exuded, people are even just

688
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,039
more so expecting him to win. Like this isn't like

689
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:03,519
just lucky that Jumlan got here with this chip lead. Yes,

690
00:38:03,559 --> 00:38:06,199
he's had some fortunate hands go his way. That happens

691
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,760
to everyone in every single tournament, and there are people

692
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,159
on the other side of the coin as well, But

693
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,760
Jumalan has played very very well, Like you can definitely

694
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,000
tell that he knows what he's doing. He studies, he

695
00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:23,119
understands situations and the game flow and theory and all

696
00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:25,320
of that. And the fact that he has one hundred

697
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,440
and ninety four million and he has more than thirty

698
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,920
five percent of the chips in play, and such a

699
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,400
big lead like this, there's a lot of expectation and

700
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,679
therefore a lot of pressure on him to ultimately close

701
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,760
this thing out. But if you want to move away

702
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:43,480
from like a narrative standpoint and move towards an ICM perspective,

703
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,960
he might not have that much pressure, or at least

704
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:50,159
not the most pressure. You know, because everyone's tournament equity

705
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,400
is worth roughly fifth place money, as we said, which

706
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,079
is two point twenty five million. That's more than double

707
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:59,119
what they're guaranteed, which is a million dollars. Jubalan is

708
00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:05,679
the player who's most likely to realize closer to his

709
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,920
ICM value than anyone else just given the starting point

710
00:39:09,079 --> 00:39:11,159
at how many chips that he has, he I mean,

711
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:14,119
he could really not do anything. Like, yes, we you

712
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:16,440
know he's likely gonna do a lot, and we want

713
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,039
him to do a lot because that's more exciting. But

714
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:20,280
he could just sit back and do nothing and get

715
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,599
pretty close to that ICM value, right, Like that's how

716
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:26,000
it could shake out. He's the one player who has

717
00:39:26,039 --> 00:39:29,360
the freedom to attack and attack at will. Now he

718
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,239
doesn't need to, nor do I think he really wants

719
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:38,079
to play huge pots. So, like, don't mistake the aggressiveness

720
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:40,599
that he's that we think he's going to come in

721
00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:43,559
with and that he's likely to take on with the

722
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:46,400
fact that he wants to just play a pot worth

723
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,039
I don't know, fifty sixty eighty million chips, whatever it

724
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:54,719
may be, you know, because the money that he's going

725
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,639
to be making overall throughout this whole final table is

726
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,239
just like through the red right just just winning pot

727
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,960
after pot after pot and keeping the pressure on everyone else,

728
00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:11,159
really really leaning on those other stacks, most notably the

729
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,440
middling stacks, you know, that middle bunch of players, you know,

730
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:19,000
picking up the blinds and anties, continuation, betting on flops,

731
00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:21,880
three betting pre flop, you know, being able, he's the

732
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,800
one who can really put everyone else to the test

733
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:28,920
in spots that's gonna make them feel extremely uncomfortable, right,

734
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,400
he can really force everyone into those uncomfortable decisions. He's

735
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,519
got a really good seat at the table as well.

736
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,320
He's got second in chips Rami Hamood two to his right,

737
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,840
and that's extremely beneficial because the best place to be

738
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,320
pre flop is going to be on the button for everyone,

739
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,199
right in any poker tournament, like you ultimately want the position.

740
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,000
When Hamood's on the button, he's got to deal with

741
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:54,000
Jumlan in the big blind. So that's going to handcuff

742
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:57,880
a Mood a bit more so because he knows that

743
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,599
no matter what he does on the button, like if

744
00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:03,679
he raises, it's likely that Jumlan is going to be

745
00:41:03,679 --> 00:41:07,480
coming along and then make life difficult for him post flop.

746
00:41:07,559 --> 00:41:09,719
And this also just isn't some chip leader, as I've

747
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,400
talked about, who's just gonna, like, I don't know, play

748
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:18,920
kind of straightforward ABC poker and you know, not really

749
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,519
take advantage to the full extent that he should with

750
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:25,519
his chipstack. Jumlan is going to do that. In my opinion.

751
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,719
He's a very very good player, and I think he

752
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,280
recognizes the situation that he is in where he can

753
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,000
really really lean on everyone. So he's got a really

754
00:41:35,039 --> 00:41:38,519
good seat, you know, to make to make to make

755
00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:40,880
life even better. As if one hundred ninety four million

756
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,079
and thirty five percent of the chips and play wasn't

757
00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:46,159
great enough for this guy he's got, he's got an

758
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:50,440
incredible position at the table. Now, speaking of Hamoud, you know,

759
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,639
he may be the most handcuffed player at the table.

760
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,159
You know, of course he Now he is in second place.

761
00:41:57,159 --> 00:42:00,360
He's comfortably in second place with the seventy nine million,

762
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,440
which is fourteen point three percent of the chips in play.

763
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,719
He's got an ICM value of just over four million.

764
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,760
But he's going to be incentivized to really wade out,

765
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:11,519
you know, some of these shorter stacks Fang and Evil

766
00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:15,840
Goru for sure, right, Also coupled with that positioning where

767
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,840
he is too to the right of Jumalan. So it's

768
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,280
going to make life a little bit difficult for Hamud,

769
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,320
you know. I think that again, his button opens are

770
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,480
probably going to be a little bit restricted, even like

771
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:33,000
later positions cut off when Jumalan is still to act.

772
00:42:33,039 --> 00:42:35,639
I mean, just any time he really wants to get active,

773
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,440
he's got to worry about Jumalan being behind him. To

774
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:43,000
be honest, the best position for Hamud to maybe get

775
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:46,639
a little bit more free with everything would be from

776
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:51,840
under the gun, because that's when Jumalan in relation to Hamud,

777
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,519
is going to be at his earliest position, and because

778
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:56,760
Jumalan will then have so many players still to act

779
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,360
behind him, you know, he might not be able to

780
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,079
get as liberal with his pressure that he's putting on

781
00:43:03,159 --> 00:43:05,599
ham Mood. So maybe we look for that early on,

782
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,960
is that when Hamoud is under the gun, that's when

783
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,559
he says, you know what, this is when I'm gonna

784
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:12,280
get a little bit more liberal, go outside the box

785
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,599
a little bit more. I'm gonna be restricted more in

786
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:18,880
my later positions button and cut off right, But when

787
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,039
it's under the gun, then then okay, let's go from there. Now,

788
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:27,000
I will also say that when Hamood is the big

789
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,840
blind or the small blind and Jumlan gets out of

790
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,599
the way from either under the gun or under the

791
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:36,239
gun plus one, that's gonna effectively make Hamood the chip leader.

792
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,239
So that's also going to open things up for him,

793
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:39,800
and then the other players at the table need to

794
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,480
recognize that. Okay, now, this guy, even though the chip

795
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:45,159
the overall the overwhelming chip leader, did fold and get

796
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:47,039
out of the way, we still got to worry about

797
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:49,559
this guy because now he is basically the de facto chipleader.

798
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,800
So we do have to be worried about possibly opening

799
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,119
into his big blind his small blind and him playing

800
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:56,400
back at us and us, you know, worrying about that guy,

801
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,880
you know, especially these middling bunch of stacks who are

802
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,159
really keeping an eye on Fang and Eva go Uru

803
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,960
as the short stack. So just kind of keep all

804
00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:20,800
that in mind. I personally think we're gonna start slow

805
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,119
to this final table. I'm just drawing from that where

806
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,519
these guys have had a little bit of time now

807
00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:31,079
to let the whole ic M thing sink in, right,

808
00:44:31,199 --> 00:44:33,920
And I also I watched a bit of how they

809
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,960
played down towards the final table and I thought generally

810
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,719
everyone played pretty conservative, right, so I think that's just

811
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,760
gonna carry over. You know, people are gonna play conservative here,

812
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:46,800
and I, you know Eva Goru for you know, also

813
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,039
like I don't think he's just gonna be blasting it

814
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:51,119
in even though he is the shortest stack. I think

815
00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:53,559
he's gonna be cockroach like and it's gonna be hard

816
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:55,840
to kill him. So now that brings us to the

817
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,480
to the middling sacks. Jamie Shevell, Greg Mueller, Michael Gaglianamar Boose,

818
00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:04,199
and Lori Sasclotti. They've all got between I think twenty

819
00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:07,000
five and thirty seven big linds. If I remember correctly,

820
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,400
they all have enough chips that they're not in any

821
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,000
sort of danger to start. They can certainly go on

822
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:17,079
a run and become a big stack pretty early, eventually

823
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:18,639
go on to win the thing, or at least to

824
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,400
really really challenge to win the thing. But one bad

825
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,199
decision when you have Fang on seventeen big lines, when

826
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,280
you have evagor around fifteen big lines, you know that

827
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,800
one bad decision could cost them millions of dollars in equity.

828
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,239
You know their ICM value is anywhere between two point

829
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,079
eight million and three point four million. They don't want,

830
00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:43,480
like none of these guys for sure out of event,

831
00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:48,159
Like these guys definitely don't want to go out ninth

832
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,280
or even go out eighth and just get a million

833
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,719
dollars or one point twenty five like that would just

834
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,559
be an absolute disaster for those guys. So I think

835
00:45:56,679 --> 00:45:59,880
these guys are going to be playing really, really really

836
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:03,800
snug early on. I guess the one wild card that

837
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,360
I don't know about in this bunch is Lori Sasclotti

838
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,880
not a professional player. He'll tell you that. Is he

839
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,079
gonna be Is he gonna kind of just come out

840
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,519
swing it? I don't know, you know, maybe he's the

841
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:20,719
one guy that that might. I think Gagliano is obviously

842
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,000
well versed in all this sort of final table dynamics

843
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,159
and situations. He's just gonna do what he does, you know,

844
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:29,760
and I think he's probably just gonna end up locking down.

845
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,079
Jamie Chavelle, I think is probably gonna be on the

846
00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:37,400
more locket down side. Greg Mueller, I don't know, kind

847
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,840
of a live pro, you know who, Not that I

848
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,039
think Greg's gonna make mistakes, But I think I think

849
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:47,880
Greg has been pretty open with the fact that Nolan

850
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,239
could hold him in these spots like that's not his forte.

851
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,760
Not that he's not a very good player and he's

852
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,280
able to figure things out because he's got a lot

853
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,079
of talent and we're not saying that, but maybe he

854
00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:58,320
gets himself into a bigger pot than he should be

855
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,639
playing at a time when he shouldn't be playing it,

856
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,800
and that ultimately costs you know, Greg Mueller or something.

857
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,519
So it's gonna be really interesting to see what happens.

858
00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:09,239
And also the longer that these guys kind of lock down,

859
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,639
I would say, the more free range Jumalan has to

860
00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:15,000
just do whatever he wants and continue to chip up

861
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:16,880
and chip up and chip up and just really really

862
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,599
widen that gap. Let's talk about the two short stacks

863
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:23,719
as well. Han Fang Eva, gors Eva, Gooru. You know, yes,

864
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,320
they're the two shortest stacks. They have every reason to

865
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,960
weigh each other out. You know, Fang's gonna be got,

866
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:32,400
It's gonna have one eye over on Eva gor Evigora

867
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,920
is gonna have one eye over on Fang. That said,

868
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,320
you know, this isn't like you just have one short stack.

869
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,639
This is you have two short stacks, so first and

870
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,639
foremost they're gonna kind of be looking at each other,

871
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,960
you know, which again leads to the fact that or

872
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,760
the idea that I think we're gonna start a little

873
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,519
bit slower here early on. Of course, cards generally speak,

874
00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:51,559
and if if the deck just cooperates in a way

875
00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:53,599
that we get some exciting bangers right out to shoot,

876
00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:56,480
then I mean, so be it, let's go. But I

877
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,639
think we're gonna start on the slower side of things.

878
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,639
Fang and Eva Goru. I would also expect where some

879
00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:03,559
of these other players, you know, if they do come in,

880
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,639
I think they're going to come in for the standard raises,

881
00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:12,119
you know, just a just a min raise. Fang and Evagoru.

882
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:14,000
I think it's going to be more at least at

883
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:16,360
least maybe for like the first hand or two that

884
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,000
they play might just be an open jam, right or

885
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:20,760
a three bed jam. They just don't have that many

886
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,800
chips to work with, so I think, you know, off

887
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,440
fifteen seventeen big lines, maybe we see them just get

888
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,079
after it. In that sense, when it comes to like

889
00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:31,639
who has the biggest pressure, I don't know, the pressure

890
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:34,119
is kind of different depending on you know, how you

891
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:37,360
look at it right. So while Jumalan, you know, he's

892
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,159
he's under the biggest part of the spotlight. But it's

893
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,679
more so that when you move from narrative to the

894
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,039
ICM perspective side of things, the middle stacks are the

895
00:48:49,039 --> 00:48:50,840
ones that are under the most pressure. And then then

896
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,519
back to Jumalan, is that's what's going to allow Jumalan

897
00:48:54,119 --> 00:48:57,519
to chip up earlier. These other guys are going to

898
00:48:57,599 --> 00:48:58,920
kind of have to sit and wait to see what

899
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,840
happens with Fang or Evil go And also if Fang

900
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,360
or Evil Goru, if either one of them double, this

901
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,719
doesn't really change a ton. I mean, I guess it

902
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,119
depends on who they double through. Like if Fang doubles

903
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:16,440
through Sascolatti, for example, then Sascolotti becomes very short. But

904
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:20,840
no matter what happens, if if nobody busts, then it's

905
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,639
only gonna benefit Juamlan in my opinion, because even if

906
00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:27,880
somebody else gets shorter, the situation is kind of the same.

907
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,920
You have the short stack that people is waiting, that

908
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:33,280
everyone's waiting. The person out Juamlan is going to have

909
00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:35,280
all that power to do what he wants. So even

910
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,159
if let's say Fang doubles through Jumlan. Jumalan takes a

911
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,000
tiny bit of a hit, not that big of a

912
00:49:41,039 --> 00:49:44,119
deal in the grand scheme of things, Eva Gore is

913
00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:46,400
still left short over there, so Juamlan can just get

914
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,920
right back to work, right, same thing. If you know

915
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,039
Evia Goru doubles through through Jumalan, or Evi a Goru

916
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:55,760
doubles through Hamood, you know, like that's where Hamod right,

917
00:49:56,199 --> 00:49:58,159
he's the one that's not gonna want to double anyone

918
00:49:58,199 --> 00:49:59,960
up because if he doubles up one of the shorts stack,

919
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:04,199
he's gonna get sucked back down into that group of Chevelle, Mueller,

920
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:09,880
Gagliano Boos, Sasclotti, where he was once comfortably in second place. Yes,

921
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,199
he still has a bit of a jail cell around him.

922
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,480
He has to worry about things and play cautiously. But

923
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,960
you don't. You're comfortably in second right. You can almost

924
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,559
maneuver your way to the top three if things go

925
00:50:22,639 --> 00:50:24,800
your way, of course, but you don't want to get

926
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,760
sucked back down into that group and have to fight

927
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,360
with those other five or six players. Right, So, I

928
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,880
don't know, I think we're in for a bit of

929
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,519
a KG match here. You know, like if this was

930
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:37,039
a boxing match, it's the first couple of rounds where

931
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,920
they're throwing some punches, but they're not really letting it

932
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,760
go just because they're still trying to feel each other out.

933
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:46,239
Whereas Jummalan, you know, he's just gonna be like NonStop

934
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:51,320
jab jab jab jab jab, like just constantly on the offensive,

935
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,039
but not in a way that he's throwing big haymakers,

936
00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:56,880
big uppercuts. He's just gonna be constantly just like picking

937
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,800
people apart as what he's going to be looking to do.

938
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,159
It's always to see how these spots play out in

939
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,559
such a big money situation, and this is the biggest

940
00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:08,880
money situation of them all, but also a lot of

941
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,079
craziness can happen early on that just you think it's

942
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:13,679
gonna go one way and then all of a sudden,

943
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,440
it's just like bang bang bang bang bang, What the

944
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,400
heck just happened? I mean, last year we all go

945
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:18,880
into it and it's all of a sudden like bang

946
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,199
bang bang bang bang. Michael Mans, Rocky has all the

947
00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:24,519
freaking chips. Where did everyone go? What the heck just happened?

948
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:27,119
We're like already heads up, it's been two hours of play,

949
00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:30,199
can we like chill for a second. I don't think

950
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,239
we're gonna get a repeat of that, but heck, you

951
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:37,159
never know, right which player of the other eight, I mean,

952
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:42,440
obviously other than Jumalan, would I personally like to see

953
00:51:42,519 --> 00:51:46,000
double up early? Interesting thought there, you know, I was

954
00:51:46,039 --> 00:51:49,519
trying to think, like, you know who who if they

955
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:53,159
double up early, like really kind of excites me, like,

956
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,840
oh this is cool. Now it gets a little bit different,

957
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,760
and I think that's Han Fang. And if he's let's

958
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,639
just say, for you know, simplicity, here he goes from

959
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,639
what he starts with twenty five million, he gets up

960
00:52:07,679 --> 00:52:10,719
to fifty million. Depending on who he doubles through. You know,

961
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,519
that puts him in the upper portion of the stacks.

962
00:52:14,679 --> 00:52:17,440
You know, maybe he doesn't. If he doubles through Jamie Schavelle,

963
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,719
he's he's then up into third place. If he doesn't

964
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,039
double through him and doubles through someone else, he's up

965
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:25,280
into you know, fourth or third or fourth place. Right,

966
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,000
So he's like right there. I think if someone like

967
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,679
a Greg Mueller doubles up, I don't think all that

968
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:36,199
much changes. Same with Michael Gagliano saying with Chevelle, saying

969
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:39,840
with Boose Sascolatti, like, you know, I mean, I guess

970
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,079
maybe if Hamoud doubles up and he would have to

971
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:45,360
double up through Lucas Jumalan, then maybe that changes things.

972
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,519
But I don't know if Hamoud's going to really be

973
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:49,599
driving the bus like we want him to be driving

974
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:52,400
the bus. I think the most exciting person would be

975
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,760
Han feg You know, again, he only starts with that

976
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:00,360
twenty five million, But I think given the way that

977
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:01,920
I know he likes to play, or I think he

978
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:03,519
likes to play from some of the stuff that I've

979
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:06,400
seen with him, both in this event, you know, earlier

980
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,960
on when he had some chips, but then also in

981
00:53:09,039 --> 00:53:13,199
some other streams that he's been on, Like he'll certainly

982
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:16,000
be one to get after it, at least as much

983
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,719
as he's allowed. To couple that with your fresh off

984
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,880
of double up, you're feeling good. You know, the wind

985
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,360
is at your back, you got that momentum, Like maybe

986
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,639
he can start to find some of these other spots

987
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:30,679
to chip up a little bit more, and it really

988
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,360
starts to kind of change the dynamics of this whole thing,

989
00:53:34,639 --> 00:53:37,599
you know. I think I think also when you're on

990
00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:39,239
the younger side of things, and he's one of the

991
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,119
younger ones at this final table, being just twenty seven

992
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:46,280
years old. You just generally have an overall confidence about

993
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,519
you that at times can border on cocky. We were

994
00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:52,519
all like it, myself included. Not that it's a bad thing,

995
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:55,480
but it can allow you to just really go after

996
00:53:55,519 --> 00:53:57,960
things when maybe someone else might be like, you know what,

997
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,239
maybe that's too risky for me to dip my toes

998
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,639
in over there. But if you're someone like a Fang,

999
00:54:03,679 --> 00:54:06,840
you just go for it. So I think overall that

1000
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,679
would be the most fun is if he's able to

1001
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,760
double up early. It would it would it would be cool,

1002
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,800
you know, it just could I would say it could

1003
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,920
unlock him, you know he I think right now, we

1004
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,480
talked about his coach, Michael Joseph. Michael josef is a

1005
00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:22,679
well studied pro who plays a lot of high stakes

1006
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,719
you know. I think he's going to be coaching Han

1007
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:31,079
To to play basically situational ice in poker, which is

1008
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,400
boring for lack of a better term. And I think

1009
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:36,400
a lot of what we saw from Fang in the

1010
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,760
later stages playing down to the finals, it was we

1011
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,639
saw just that. I don't think he ultimately wants to

1012
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:44,039
play this way. I think he's a very good aggressive

1013
00:54:44,039 --> 00:54:46,760
player when the situation calls for it and he's allowed

1014
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,159
to do that sort of stuff, but also when you're

1015
00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:51,639
just handcuffed, you're just handcoffed. If he is able to

1016
00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:54,800
get a double up relatively early on, I think he's

1017
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:58,320
gonna be willing to keep pushing a little bit more

1018
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,920
so than let's say, if someone like an Eva Gouru

1019
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:02,960
the other short stack, if he was able to double

1020
00:55:03,079 --> 00:55:05,320
I think he just doubles up and kind of just

1021
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,239
sits back a little bit more. So. You know, Fang

1022
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,400
is the one who I would like to see double

1023
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,039
up early or first, however you want to put that,

1024
00:55:13,159 --> 00:55:14,599
And you know, I think it gives him a lot

1025
00:55:14,599 --> 00:55:17,800
of momentum that that would lean into a lot more

1026
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,760
fun to kind of make this one a little bit

1027
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,599
more chaotic at the At the start here, I was

1028
00:55:24,639 --> 00:55:28,480
also trying to think about who is the player most

1029
00:55:28,679 --> 00:55:33,239
likely to finish, not where they start. Basically, if you

1030
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,199
just take everyone's starting position and say, okay, Lucas Jumlans

1031
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,199
starts in first place, he's got this spinning chips Okay,

1032
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,280
he's most likely to finish them first. This thing, you know,

1033
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,480
and you just as sign it like that, I would

1034
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:48,280
say it's probably Greg Mueller. I just think when it

1035
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:52,079
comes to Greg Mueller, he starts in fourth. He's got

1036
00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:54,400
forty eight point five million, that's eight point seven percent

1037
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,239
of the chips in play. I think he's got the

1038
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,559
widest range of outcome. We talked about a little bit

1039
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:04,599
earlier when I talked about some of his his bio stuff.

1040
00:56:04,639 --> 00:56:08,320
You know, he's got arguably more experience, especially in the

1041
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,840
live realm. I mean, Gagliano is probably the most overall

1042
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,679
experienced player, Like he's played the most hands, the most tournaments,

1043
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,800
all that sort of stuff. Live focus probably more Greg

1044
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:23,119
Mueller than Gagliano because Gagliano has got the online stuff.

1045
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,639
So as an overall experience thing, it's Gagliano, But as

1046
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:30,360
an experience in the live realm, it's probably Greg Mueller.

1047
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,039
You know, he's played for bracelets, He's got three of them.

1048
00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:37,360
He's got all those other seconds and thirds as well,

1049
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:42,159
a bunch of final tables. He's been under the bright lights,

1050
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,800
the cameras, all that sort of stuff. I think also,

1051
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,079
like you know, being a professional hockey player at times,

1052
00:56:48,199 --> 00:56:50,480
or semipro or whatever it was, like that also helps,

1053
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,400
you know, just dealing with with high pressure competitive situations.

1054
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,199
I So what I'm saying is I don't expect the

1055
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,360
stage to be too big for him, you know, the

1056
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,880
money to own, overwhelm him, all that sort of stuff.

1057
00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:05,960
But I also think that him being more of a

1058
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,599
live player, a field player, somebody that relies on reads

1059
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,039
his pure talent of things that might to allow him

1060
00:57:13,079 --> 00:57:16,199
to identify some spots that he might want to take

1061
00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:20,280
where other players are unwilling to take them. I'm going

1062
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,480
to use the word carelessness, but I don't know if

1063
00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:25,199
that's exactly the right word, and I'm probably just getting

1064
00:57:25,199 --> 00:57:29,320
that wrong. Where Greg made a lot of talk about

1065
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,719
how he was kind of just going through the motions.

1066
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,719
It took that tough love from his good friend Sean

1067
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,519
Buchan to kind of kick his ass into gear. And

1068
00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:40,800
now he's made it here and he's nine or one

1069
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:45,960
million dollars and this is incredible. So does he just

1070
00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:49,519
kind of let it flow a little bit more and

1071
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,199
maybe get himself into some spots that he maybe shouldn't

1072
00:57:53,239 --> 00:57:55,719
be in. I don't know, maybe I'm just reading a

1073
00:57:55,719 --> 00:57:57,920
little bit too into it when it comes to Mueller,

1074
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,840
but I could just see him kind of just playing

1075
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,760
a big one at a time when we kind of

1076
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,880
are like, wait, why is this pot all of a sudden,

1077
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,159
you know, seventy five eight eighty million, and you know

1078
00:58:09,239 --> 00:58:11,760
it's it's Greg and whoever, and they're just just going

1079
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,519
for it. There's the other side of that too, where

1080
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,719
he could get in that situation and he could he

1081
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,320
could win that situation, and he could come out on

1082
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,719
the other side positive, and he could accumulate all those chips,

1083
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,920
and then he could all of a sudden, you know,

1084
00:58:25,039 --> 00:58:27,599
Greg's got ninety million in chips, He's in second place,

1085
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,599
he's feeling freaking pumped up, and he's just like he's

1086
00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:33,440
going for it right Like he's he's on that rush

1087
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,719
that you know live players feel where they're like, okay,

1088
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,880
like let's go, let's go. And he's just driving, drive

1089
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,039
and driving, and then all of a sudden, it's like

1090
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,519
he's charging up on Jumalan. So I don't know, I

1091
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:44,400
just feel like the range of outcomes from Ler are

1092
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,400
really all over the place at this final table. I

1093
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,519
love the guy. I think he's got great character here,

1094
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:54,960
certainly lively. Maybe at times the coaching and a lot

1095
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,599
of the talk that he's been doing with his good

1096
00:58:56,599 --> 00:58:59,400
friend Bucky, maybe that does rein him in. But also

1097
00:58:59,519 --> 00:59:02,400
maybe he's just you know, I don't know, gets his

1098
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,320
hand caught in the cookie jar at the wrong situation,

1099
00:59:04,519 --> 00:59:06,880
and next thing you know, he's busted in eighth. I

1100
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,079
don't know. I feel like Greg could win this tournament.

1101
00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:11,159
He could also be out in ninth, whereas some of

1102
00:59:11,159 --> 00:59:12,880
the other players. I think it's a little bit fine

1103
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,800
or a fine line with you know, fine lines I

1104
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,440
should say for where they're going to finish, you know,

1105
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,559
the top and the bottom. But I also think that

1106
00:59:20,599 --> 00:59:22,880
they don't they might not necessarily have the ceiling that

1107
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:38,000
me what has here. Somebody asked this question to me

1108
00:59:38,039 --> 00:59:42,079
the other day, just a friend of mine who he's

1109
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,000
he likes poker, but he's not like a super die hard.

1110
00:59:45,039 --> 00:59:46,760
But you know, every time the main event comes around,

1111
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,840
of course they're into it. He said, you know, is

1112
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:51,760
who's who's the best winner for poker? Made me think,

1113
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,840
you know, so who is out of this bunch of nine,

1114
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,760
who is the best winner for poker? And how I

1115
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:03,559
interpreted that is is who creates the most interest in

1116
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:08,519
the game beyond like the fellow Donnie Peters is of

1117
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:10,559
the world, like the people who are really in it,

1118
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,159
and also likely you guys out there who are listening.

1119
01:00:13,159 --> 01:00:15,519
You know, you guys, the listeners to this podcast are

1120
01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:18,360
certainly more die hard than a common poker fan. Like,

1121
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,800
it's not even close. So, you know, how does this

1122
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,960
kind of resonate a little bit further than that? Is

1123
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,000
it Jumlan twenty two years old, the kid with this

1124
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:30,519
huge tip lead? Is it Mueller who I just talked

1125
01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:33,320
about that established pro do. We get a little bit

1126
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,440
of buzz from Hammoud because he's a guy who has

1127
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,400
a regular job, is a satellite qualifier, Obviously everyone's going

1128
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,800
to lean into that, you know. Or is it someone

1129
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:45,519
like a Sascolatti or Evoguru who are more the amateur

1130
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:48,039
with full time job full time jobs? You know, so

1131
01:00:48,599 --> 01:00:50,840
you can kind of go every way with all these

1132
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:55,000
different stories here, I lean and I thought about this

1133
01:00:55,719 --> 01:00:58,880
for quite a bit of time. I landed on Mueller,

1134
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,519
you know, I know, I just talked about how I

1135
01:01:00,519 --> 01:01:03,800
think his range of outcomes is the widest here. And

1136
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:07,039
I don't think that Mueller and I'm not trying to

1137
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:09,280
throw any shade here, but I think he would probably

1138
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,320
admit it as well, which is fine. I don't think

1139
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:16,079
he's the best technical player at this table. That doesn't

1140
01:01:16,119 --> 01:01:18,599
mean he can't win, because any of these guys can win,

1141
01:01:19,039 --> 01:01:21,320
but I think he's the player who has the strongest

1142
01:01:21,639 --> 01:01:26,320
built in story. He's got the ties to the hockey,

1143
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,119
to the sports, former professional hockey player, he's got the

1144
01:01:29,199 --> 01:01:32,519
three time bracelet or three time bracelet winner. He's respected,

1145
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,360
well liked in the industry. You know, the big names,

1146
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:39,039
the pros, they've they all know him, they've played with him,

1147
01:01:39,079 --> 01:01:41,440
like all that sort of stuff. So if Mueller does

1148
01:01:41,519 --> 01:01:44,199
go on to win, you've got a champion who is

1149
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:49,079
also great personality, lively, colorful, not going to shy away

1150
01:01:49,079 --> 01:01:52,840
from the spotlight, going to talk to anyone that throws

1151
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,119
a camera or a microphone in his face, and he's

1152
01:01:55,119 --> 01:01:56,760
going to be great at that stuff because he's done

1153
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,639
it forever. You've got a winner that the large majority

1154
01:02:00,639 --> 01:02:05,760
of the poker world already knows the sports world, which

1155
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,320
Greg does have a lot of ties to. You know,

1156
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,280
like you heard what was it the coach of the

1157
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,519
Ottawa Senators or something like it was calling him after

1158
01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:14,639
he made the mother like he had like those people

1159
01:02:14,679 --> 01:02:18,239
can they can immediately understand him and like they're immediately

1160
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,960
drawn in because this guy guy just won. I think

1161
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,760
you get that tie in from an international media sense

1162
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,840
because he's Canadian. I saw there was at least I

1163
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,280
was on Facebook the other day I saw, or maybe

1164
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,320
it was Instagram, I can't remember, but he posted something

1165
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,039
where the media in Vancouver came and they did a

1166
01:02:35,039 --> 01:02:36,800
little hit at his house. It was on the news,

1167
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,800
like all that sort of stuff. So like, that's that's cool, right.

1168
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:44,920
I get a little feeling of Joe Hasham and Australia.

1169
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,840
I don't think it's gonna be big as what Joe

1170
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:52,119
Hasham did for Australia, you know, and it's also just

1171
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,519
a different era. It's a different time. But Hashim winning

1172
01:02:55,719 --> 01:03:00,679
wasn't just good for Joe. It helped do good things

1173
01:03:00,719 --> 01:03:03,400
for poker in Australia, and I think that Mueller could

1174
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,719
have a small piece of that success for what it

1175
01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:11,800
could do for Canada and how it could resonate that way. Again,

1176
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:13,519
not to throw shade on anyone here, I just don't

1177
01:03:13,519 --> 01:03:16,719
think that Romihamu has that same sort of pull name

1178
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:20,280
brand wise that Greg Mueller does. In this sense, I

1179
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,880
think I can also make the argument that that Jumalan,

1180
01:03:23,159 --> 01:03:26,039
a twenty two year old chip leader becoming the world champion,

1181
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,760
you know, second youngest ever behind only Joekatta. You know,

1182
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,519
there's obviously a lot of talk in recent years about

1183
01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:36,480
how there's kind of fewer and fewer younger kids getting

1184
01:03:36,519 --> 01:03:40,000
into the game just because online poker isn't as widespread

1185
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:42,079
as it once was, all that sort of stuff. So

1186
01:03:42,119 --> 01:03:43,960
I think, you know, he could be a really really

1187
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:48,239
good champion as well, a really good one for poker

1188
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,280
as a whole. I also think he's someone who's going

1189
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,239
to just keep on blasting. I think a lot of

1190
01:03:53,239 --> 01:03:55,679
that stuff there are stories that do kind of just

1191
01:03:55,719 --> 01:03:58,400
come and go, and we get those every single year

1192
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,280
and we recycle them. I think Mueller has that built

1193
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,000
in reputation that's already there. He's got a following, he's

1194
01:04:04,039 --> 01:04:07,000
got a bit of credibility to him as well. If

1195
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,400
he wins, I think people are for sure still talking

1196
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,519
about him six months from now. I think that that's

1197
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:17,320
generally healthy for poker now. I also do want to

1198
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:21,199
be careful in saying that he's the biggest draw, because

1199
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,679
I'm not sure, Yes, he might be the biggest draw,

1200
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,159
but I think you can make an argument for draw

1201
01:04:27,239 --> 01:04:29,320
for kind of all these people. And I'm not going

1202
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:31,679
to say that he's some sort of household name outside

1203
01:04:31,679 --> 01:04:34,280
of the poker world, right, It's just there's like two

1204
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,000
of those players in all of poker. But I say

1205
01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:42,119
he has the most recognizable and accomplished figure remaining right now.

1206
01:04:42,199 --> 01:04:44,360
I will also say that one thing that does worry

1207
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,239
me about Mueller is something that he said on that

1208
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:50,239
face these podcast with Remco where if he does go

1209
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,880
on to win and win ten million dollars, we might

1210
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,559
only see him going forward for the fifty k PPC

1211
01:04:57,079 --> 01:04:59,159
and the ten k main event, like that's all he'll

1212
01:04:59,159 --> 01:05:02,840
play than that. Like he's got ten million dollars retirement money.

1213
01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:05,000
He's gonna be on the golf course NonStop, doesn't need

1214
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:08,760
to grind whatever. So if we want someone to win

1215
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,639
who ultimately stays in poker and like is always around

1216
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:16,840
as a face of the industry, then maybe it's not Greg, right.

1217
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,440
So it's just it's it's interesting, But I think for

1218
01:05:20,519 --> 01:05:24,360
right now, at least I lean with Greg Muellers that's

1219
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:28,400
my answer. There. I got two more kind of thoughts

1220
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,480
here that I've been brewin with, and then we'll get

1221
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,360
on out of here. I know we're a little bit

1222
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,320
on the longer side for this episode, but I mean

1223
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:37,960
this is that I basically made have been found table

1224
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,400
that would leading into babies. So let's go. We've talked

1225
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:45,280
about Jumalan, his chip stack, his positioning. I think it's

1226
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,519
safe to say he's the most likely to win this.

1227
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:49,480
Of course, there's still a lot to happen. There's three

1228
01:05:49,519 --> 01:05:52,880
days of poker ahead of us. Knowing that that he

1229
01:05:53,079 --> 01:05:55,599
you know, let's give him the most likely chance to win.

1230
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:01,599
Would Lucas Jumlan immediately become a major poker star. Now,

1231
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:04,119
of course you have to think of that in relative

1232
01:06:04,199 --> 01:06:06,920
terms to the era that we are in. He's twenty two,

1233
01:06:07,559 --> 01:06:09,960
he's the chip leader of this tournament, the biggest spot

1234
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,199
of his life. He's gotten a lot of media coverage already.

1235
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:16,039
He's already a professional, which I think helps. Is all

1236
01:06:16,159 --> 01:06:20,800
that enough or is it more about like his what's

1237
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:26,360
his willingness, his personality, his appetite to stay visible and

1238
01:06:26,679 --> 01:06:29,760
what do we get out of him going forward? So

1239
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:31,800
I don't know if there's a question there or not.

1240
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,159
I'm just trying to think, like what happens basically if

1241
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:38,960
Juemlan does go on to win, whereas he is the

1242
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,840
most likely person to do that, right, everything that I've

1243
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,280
gathered from this kid, he was just on the Poker

1244
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:48,719
Weekly Show on Serious XM with Nick Shulman. I thought

1245
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,079
he was great on there like that. I think he

1246
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,559
wants it. I think he wants the spotlight. I think

1247
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:56,199
he wants to start right. I mean now, he's only

1248
01:06:56,239 --> 01:07:00,679
twenty two, but I still think he wants it. And

1249
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:06,239
because I think he wants it, because I think I

1250
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:10,880
know he's really fucking good at this game. He's already

1251
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:13,159
a pro. So, like, you don't need to worry about that.

1252
01:07:14,119 --> 01:07:18,920
Maybe that questionable bull nature of like you know, should

1253
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:20,760
I yes, I can have a lot of money, but

1254
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,960
if I leave and get into this new thing, you know,

1255
01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:25,480
am I going to make a fool out of myself?

1256
01:07:25,519 --> 01:07:27,440
He's already a pro, like, so I don't think we

1257
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,280
need to worry about that. I think he's somebody who

1258
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:34,559
just immediately like starts playing big high roller events, he

1259
01:07:34,599 --> 01:07:37,599
starts playing trite and stuff, he starts playing PGT stuff,

1260
01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:39,559
like whatever it is, you name it. I mean, the

1261
01:07:39,639 --> 01:07:42,920
kid's got ten million dollars now and you know, obviously

1262
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,440
minus taxes, pieces whatever. But he's going to have a

1263
01:07:45,519 --> 01:07:48,519
large chunk of money, and I think he's just going

1264
01:07:48,599 --> 01:07:50,320
to be out there going for it. Whereas we just

1265
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,280
talked about Mueller, who he said on that podcast with

1266
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,760
Remco that maybe he just comes out for those couple

1267
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,599
of events. And we've seen it in the past where

1268
01:07:57,599 --> 01:07:59,079
you have someone like a couple of years ago, Dan

1269
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:01,719
Wyman doesn't play that much anymore, you know, won the

1270
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,199
main event, was kind of already trying to get out

1271
01:08:04,199 --> 01:08:06,280
of poker, then wins it. Anyway, Now he comes out

1272
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:08,000
for a few events here and there, and that's it.

1273
01:08:08,039 --> 01:08:10,880
We've obviously seen plenty of WSP main event winners over

1274
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,920
the years. They're really not just in it daily as

1275
01:08:15,199 --> 01:08:18,079
they used to be. I think Jumalan will be in it,

1276
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:20,399
like I think he will just be doing the damn thing.

1277
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:22,600
I also think you're gonna get it's not only gonna

1278
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:24,319
be him, You're gonna get his whole friend group that's

1279
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:27,920
just tagging along traveling the world, grinding tournaments together. Like

1280
01:08:28,119 --> 01:08:30,720
I think that entire group could just start moving up

1281
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,520
in stakes. You know, you got jumalans as the kingpin.

1282
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,199
You know he's willing to take pieces of all these guys.

1283
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,680
Let's just go right and they've become familiar faces like that.

1284
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:43,960
That to me is is cool. I think Jumlan has

1285
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,319
the game to back it up. I think a lot

1286
01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:48,560
of people out there who have watched his game would

1287
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,880
agree with that. He's if you watch the stuff that

1288
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:54,359
he does at the table, if you hear him talk

1289
01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:58,239
about hands, which he has done a bit, now, I

1290
01:08:58,279 --> 01:09:00,640
think you get a good sense that he really is

1291
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:04,720
pinned down on how poker should be played, how it

1292
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,600
should be played specifically in this spot. He is rooted

1293
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:09,479
in a lot of theory with stuff, even though he

1294
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,239
is only twenty two years old. So I think it's

1295
01:09:13,239 --> 01:09:16,520
it's really cool. You know, winning the w CB main Events.

1296
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:21,560
It doesn't automatically make you an elite player just because

1297
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:25,359
you happen to conquer the biggest and best poker tournament

1298
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:29,880
in the world, right, But I think that Jumalan is

1299
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,199
already an elite player. So now if he does go

1300
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:35,920
on to win this, he's going to have the ability

1301
01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:38,359
and the bank roll to then go on to compete

1302
01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:42,680
on even bigger stages. Right, some players that have won

1303
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,479
this event, you know, they haven't jumped up in stakes,

1304
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:47,920
or maybe they did try and it didn't go their

1305
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,800
way so they kind of backed off. Other people have

1306
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:52,159
straight up won of the main event and said, oh,

1307
01:09:52,199 --> 01:09:54,520
I'll see you later. I don't really need to be around.

1308
01:09:55,159 --> 01:09:57,640
But I think Jumalan here, I think he's gonna embrace

1309
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:59,960
the opportunity and he could really light the poker world

1310
01:10:00,199 --> 01:10:02,720
on fire. So that that's something that I would look

1311
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,880
at with Jim a lot. I would also put Han

1312
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,399
Fang in that same category. He's got a lot more

1313
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:11,399
work to do given where he starts at this final table.

1314
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:13,560
And maybe it doesn't take a win from either these guys,

1315
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,279
of course, because multiple millions of dollars, even if you

1316
01:10:16,279 --> 01:10:19,880
finish anywhere else at the table, could launch you into

1317
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,479
doing some big things. But I think that Han Fang,

1318
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,840
like he's shown a willingness to fire a big schedule,

1319
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,199
play some bigger events. He's only twenty seven, so on

1320
01:10:28,279 --> 01:10:31,479
the younger side, he's really built an impressive resume in

1321
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,680
a short period of time. We mentioned earlier, he's only

1322
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,600
been playing poker since twenty twenty, so you know, whether

1323
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,039
he wins or not. I could also see Fang becoming

1324
01:10:39,039 --> 01:10:41,720
a much bigger presence in poker over the next few

1325
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,479
years on some of those bigger stages. You know, we've

1326
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:49,520
seen main evan champions go really in two completely different directions.

1327
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:54,560
Some win and just you know, largely disappear, right, Yeah,

1328
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,319
Like there are some that ultimately completely disappear. There are

1329
01:10:57,319 --> 01:11:00,680
some that pop in every so often. For others. It

1330
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:04,319
really is a launching pan. I think for for Jumlan,

1331
01:11:04,399 --> 01:11:06,600
it's definitely going to be a launching pad to bigger

1332
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,640
and better things. And I think part of that launching

1333
01:11:09,079 --> 01:11:13,479
is up into poker stardom. And then lastly, here what

1334
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:17,880
kind of champion does poker need? Or should we even

1335
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:22,880
think about things in this way? I mean, it's it's

1336
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:28,239
so hard because on one side of things, building off

1337
01:11:28,279 --> 01:11:31,159
of what I just talked about, I think poker does

1338
01:11:32,199 --> 01:11:36,039
need someone and also wants someone who wants the role.

1339
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:39,359
They want to be the wasp manum and champion. And

1340
01:11:39,399 --> 01:11:41,479
I know it's easy for people out there to say, yes,

1341
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,079
I want to be the was to be Man of

1342
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:47,920
n champion, but do you want everything that comes with

1343
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,760
it or the expectations that come with it, I should say, right,

1344
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:54,439
I know, it's a lot to put on someone who

1345
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:59,520
just want a poker turn to dumb it down. Now.

1346
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:05,199
It's interesting because everyone signs up, and I think that

1347
01:12:05,239 --> 01:12:07,000
they tell themselves that they want to win the event.

1348
01:12:07,039 --> 01:12:09,600
Myself included, like like, I'm in this camp too, like

1349
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:13,800
of all the people and thinking like, yes, I want

1350
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:15,880
to win. I want to win ten million dollars whatever

1351
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:17,239
it is. I want to win the bracelet, I want

1352
01:12:17,239 --> 01:12:19,079
to be the world champion, all that sort of stuff.

1353
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,000
But do people also want to just become the de

1354
01:12:23,079 --> 01:12:27,159
facto ambassador for poker for at least a year, if

1355
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:30,119
not longer, because whether you like it or not, that

1356
01:12:30,199 --> 01:12:34,399
comes with the territory like that that that that just happens.

1357
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:40,680
You can't I mean, yes, you can omit that responsibility,

1358
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,479
even if it is a full responsibility if you want to,

1359
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,600
you know, go that far with it. But the winner

1360
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,520
does become the face of the game for at least

1361
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:54,920
a year again, if not longer. You know, as long

1362
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,399
as that person doesn't disappear and they keep playing and

1363
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:01,880
keep showing up like they're going to be the face

1364
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:06,479
of the game. So yeah, poker wants someone who's going

1365
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,560
to keep playing, They're going to keep showing up. They

1366
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:11,960
I mean, maybe you don't have to like go on

1367
01:13:12,119 --> 01:13:15,000
full on vlogging to what I'm about to say next,

1368
01:13:15,039 --> 01:13:17,199
but you allow people to fall along with you and

1369
01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:19,560
follow your journey, and you're out there and you're doing it.

1370
01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:23,199
I guess this goes back to what I questioned about Mueller,

1371
01:13:23,319 --> 01:13:24,960
just based on what he says. We're like, hey, you

1372
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:26,680
might not see me that much anymore because I'm just

1373
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:30,920
gonna have retirement money versus someone like Jumalan, Like, I

1374
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,479
think he's out there right. Not that this is smoke,

1375
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,680
but I think the kid wants to smoke like that.

1376
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:37,960
That's my read on him. I think every player at

1377
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:41,960
this final table has a story that we can lean

1378
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:46,239
into and build around it. Jumalan's that that young chip leader,

1379
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:49,079
just twenty two years old, got the friend group behind him,

1380
01:13:49,119 --> 01:13:52,479
the relationship with his dad. Mueller is the accomplished vet

1381
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,479
who's got the ties to sports, who was falling out

1382
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,439
of love with the game and now he's got that

1383
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:02,159
all back. Amod's got the sad light entry Sasclatti and Chavelle,

1384
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:06,479
they got the family stories. Their businessmen are working business,

1385
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:09,319
you know, real jobs. The same with Eva Goru, right, Like,

1386
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:13,000
there's all these different stories that you can tell, but

1387
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:18,199
can there still be more to the story after winning

1388
01:14:18,199 --> 01:14:20,600
the WSP Main Event. That's what I'm looking at, is

1389
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,560
this is this the end of the story or is

1390
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,159
this just the start? With Jumalan, I'm looking at it

1391
01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:28,800
like this is just the start. Same with Han Fang,

1392
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,840
to be honest, like I'm looking at it like this

1393
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:32,439
is just a start. So those are the kind of

1394
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:34,520
the two guys that I'm really looking at, more so

1395
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:36,960
Jumalan than Fang, just because of he's got the best

1396
01:14:37,039 --> 01:14:40,199
chance to do it. So the main Event is the

1397
01:14:40,199 --> 01:14:43,840
biggest launching pad that poker has, but it's also only

1398
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:48,359
a launching pad if you actually launch. So we've seen

1399
01:14:48,399 --> 01:14:52,840
those ones that have stayed visible, done the interviews, played bigger,

1400
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,840
embraced the spotlight, all that sort of stuff. We've also

1401
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:57,880
seen the ones the champions is what I'm talking about,

1402
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:02,880
who have kind of just disappeared, not played as much whatever.

1403
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,119
Maybe they've fallen out of love for the game. Maybe

1404
01:15:05,119 --> 01:15:07,640
they've just decided I've got retirement money now I don't

1405
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:10,199
need to be grinded, whatever the heck it is. But

1406
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the ideal champion is someone who we're still talking about

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two years from now, five years from now, ten years

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from now. You know, my friend Mickey Doff and I

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01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:23,399
we always have this thing where we're like, hey, remember

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01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:25,920
that guy, where is he now? You know, like, we

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don't want you to be that person, right. So I

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know it's hard because that's a responsibility that's sort of

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one of those unwritten responsibilities that just gets thrown on you.

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But I do think, you know, Lucas Jumlan here, I

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think I think he wants it. I do really think

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the kid wants it. So it's gonna be a fun

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final table. That's really all I have to talk about.

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I know I ran a bit long here on today's show.

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I was probably all over the place with my ramblings.

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But you know, you give me, if you give me

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two and a half three weeks, whatever the heck it is.

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If you give me that amount of time off where

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I just got to sit here and stew on the

1424
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:05,479
WSP main event for many, many hours of every single day,

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01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:07,720
I'm gonna just come up with all these different thoughts

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that I gotta get out and I'm getting them out

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here through the Poker Go podcast. So all right, guys,

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Monday evening, we have Day one of three on ESPN

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two four the World Series of Poker Main Event Final Table.

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The plan for us on this feed, I think, I hope.

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I want my guy Remka Rinkima to be joining me

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every single night for a little recap on what happened.

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If he doesn't join, it doesn't matter. I'm gonna be

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doing it every single night as we wrap up the

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twenty twenty six World Series of Poker. The twenty twenty

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01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,399
six World Series of Poker Main Event, Baby, all right,

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that's gonna do it for me. Donny Peter's shout out

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to producer Rich thank you for getting this out. I

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appreciate you, guys, and I will talk to you on

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the next month. Jenny