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Speaker 3: Obsessed with celebrity his role model Serial Killers. With Susan
Speaker 3: Sarandon's Stole the Necklace, Sidney hatches a diabolical plan to
Speaker 3: achieve his ultimate fantasy trophy kill the Shall We Dance?
Speaker 3: Murder The Trial and Revelations of a Psychopathic Killer. On
Speaker 3: July one, two thousand and three, the Miramax movie Shall
Speaker 3: We Dance starring Jennifer Lopez, Susan Sarandon, and rich In Gear,
Speaker 3: was being filmed in Winnipeg. The next day, Sidney Tearhus
Speaker 3: walked into a police station claiming he had awoken from
Speaker 3: a drunken blackout to discover a man dead in the bathtub,
Speaker 3: maintaining he had no memory of the killing. Police discover
Speaker 3: the victim cut into eight pieces, decapitated, disemboweled sawn in half,
Speaker 3: with all of the internal organs missing and mutilated. Corpse
Speaker 3: was posed crudely reassembled with Susan Sarandon's gold necklace found
Speaker 3: a few feet away from the murder horror spectacle. Through
Speaker 3: a fateful turn of events, journalist Dan Zupansky has an
Speaker 3: opportunity to correspond with the killer. He gains his trust
Speaker 3: and is eventually sent a series of shocking letters and
Speaker 3: diagrams outlining every graphic and horrific detail of the murder,
Speaker 3: organ removal, and sex with the corpse. Then contacts authorities
Speaker 3: and is suddenly thrust into the trial as the prosecution
Speaker 3: star witness testifying against the killer, desperate to see him
Speaker 3: sentenced to life in prison. Prosecutors have the burden to
Speaker 3: prove Sydney had the necessary intent to kill. If they fail,
Speaker 3: Sidney walks the streets again discover the incredible rule that
Speaker 3: Susan Sarandon's stole in jewelry had in the motive for
Speaker 3: one of the most horrifying murders of all time. Good Evening,
Speaker 3: this is your host Stanzepanski for the program True Murder,
Speaker 3: The most Shocking Killers in True crime History, and the
Speaker 3: authors that have written about them. Now using this program
Speaker 3: as an opportunity to promote my upcoming book, my first book.
Speaker 3: This book is about Trophy Kill, the trial and revelations
Speaker 3: of a psychopathic killer. Then Shall We Dance Murder? I'm
Speaker 3: gonna explained and unfold the story to my audience tonight.
Speaker 3: I have seen over the past programs that there have
Speaker 3: been some telephone callers. I don't want to be ignorant
Speaker 3: or anything, but let's wait till about half an hour
Speaker 3: thirty five minutes, wait till we have this story unfold.
Speaker 3: Gather your thoughts and your questions, and I would be
Speaker 3: more than happy believe me to answer any one of
Speaker 3: your questions. But please sit back and listen to this
Speaker 3: incredible story. I'm sure that you haven't heard this story.
Speaker 3: If you have heard something about this story, wait to
Speaker 3: hear all the details. Now. This story starts in Winnipeg,
Speaker 3: and Winnipeg is in the province of Manitoba in Canada,
Speaker 3: near North Dakota, South Dakota, near that border. Those listeners
Speaker 3: in the United States, now Winnipeg, Manitoba. This is July one,
Speaker 3: two thousand and three, and the Miramax movie Shall We
Speaker 3: Dance starring Jennifer Lopez, Susan Sarandon and Richard Gear was
Speaker 3: in Winnipeg. July first, happens to be our Canada Day,
Speaker 3: the American equivalent of July fourth, And a man named
Speaker 3: Robin Robert Green, Junior was in Winnipeg and he was
Speaker 3: visiting from a reserve, a Native reserve called Shoal Lake, Ontario.
Speaker 3: And this is about a couple hours drive east of Winnipeg,
Speaker 3: just the other side of the Manitoba border. And for
Speaker 3: those of you don't know, Winnipeg is about seven hundred
Speaker 3: thousand people, about the size of Seattle, Washington or Seattle
Speaker 3: pardon me. And Seattle, however, is much bigger, as are
Speaker 3: many American cities in their metropolitan area the suburbs, whereas
Speaker 3: we certainly we have people going out to the suburbs
Speaker 3: and building and living out in the suburbs. But we
Speaker 3: have about seven hundred thousand people in our city primarily
Speaker 3: primarily now. Anyway, this gentleman, Robert Green, was a thirty
Speaker 3: eight year old Aboriginal man and he wanted to visit Winnipeg.
Speaker 3: He wanted to visit Winnipeg for the Canada Day festivities
Speaker 3: and also to visit his sister, apparently now Susan Sarandon.
Speaker 3: On July first, her and her assistant were in a
Speaker 3: trailer and they had just changed some clothes after having
Speaker 3: filmed some scenes in the movie. And Susan Sarandon had
Speaker 3: been in Winnipeg for almost two weeks. She's finding the
Speaker 3: city very enjoyable. She had frequented some restaurants, shopped in
Speaker 3: some boutiques, and he had even gone to a baseball game.
Speaker 3: Now Susan on this July first, And the gold necklace,
Speaker 3: by the way, is she wears this necklace in the movie.
Speaker 3: It's a gold necklace. It looks like an older necklace.
Speaker 3: There have been various reports that this is costume jewelry. However,
Speaker 3: it's very expensive jewelry. They listed the price at about
Speaker 3: four thousand dollars. Now, she removed her earrings, her engraved
Speaker 3: silver bracelet, and her antique looking at least gold necklace
Speaker 3: with pennant and as system was there, and they put
Speaker 3: there away and they left the trailer. Now back to
Speaker 3: Robin Green. He was out near the area and he
Speaker 3: came upon a bunch of people assembled behind a barricade.
Speaker 3: And what he came upon was the movie set. They
Speaker 3: were doing some outdoor shots and there were a bunch
Speaker 3: of fans looking celebrity watching, trying to get a glimpse
Speaker 3: of Richard Gear or Susan Sarandon. Jennifer Lopez was the
Speaker 3: star of the movie. However, Jennifer Lopez wasn't in the
Speaker 3: city as of yet. She was not to arrive in
Speaker 3: Winnipeg un till about the fourth of July. Anyway, Robin
Speaker 3: Robin Green, Robert pardon me, Robin Robert Green hung around
Speaker 3: for a little while with the group that had assembled
Speaker 3: around this barricade, trying to get a glimpse along the stars.
Speaker 3: They didn't. Nobody got the spot anybody. And so he
Speaker 3: walked north of about two blocks or so, two or
Speaker 3: three blocks, and lo and behold, the actors' trailers were
Speaker 3: set up. And for some reason, and we'll get into
Speaker 3: this a little bit later, the security wasn't there, and
Speaker 3: security never spotted him, and he went into probably the
Speaker 3: biggest and best looking trailer, looked around and quickly found
Speaker 3: the jewelry and headed towards Main Street. Half an hour
Speaker 3: or so later, and cause the movie set was set
Speaker 3: up by the Legislative building on what's the Cinnaboine Avenue,
Speaker 3: and he wasn't maybe fifteen minutes. He was near the forks,
Speaker 3: and he was maybe fifteen minutes away from his destination.
Speaker 3: And so he went north, headed to Main Street and
Speaker 3: went into an old established bar called Woodbine Hotel. And
Speaker 3: according to and a lot of this story really is
Speaker 3: from the killer him self. But needless to say, Robin
Speaker 3: Green went from table to table trying to sell Susan
Speaker 3: Sarandon's gold necklace, one of the pieces of jewelry he
Speaker 3: had stolen, and for fifteen dollars. And Sidney teerhust was
Speaker 3: sitting in the Woodbine. Woodbine is one of these bars.
Speaker 3: It opens at nine thirty in the morning. It's put
Speaker 3: it nicely. It's a hardcore bar. It's a decent looking place,
Speaker 3: but you know it caters to a pretty dedicated drinking audience,
Speaker 3: hence the hardcore. So Robin Green was trying to sell
Speaker 3: this gold necklace for fifteen dollars. Sidney tier Hughes was
Speaker 3: approached by Robin Green. They got to talking. Sidney tier
Speaker 3: Hues is a self avowed bisexual. Robin Green and Sidney
Speaker 3: Teerhues agreed to go back to Sydney's hotel which is
Speaker 3: about block away called the Royal Albert Hotel, and he
Speaker 3: had rented this room. He had been in Winnipeg for
Speaker 3: about three weeks. He had lived out in Vancouver for
Speaker 3: quite a while and Edmonton as well. He worked as
Speaker 3: a chef. Sidney Tierhus was an Aboriginal as well, thirty
Speaker 3: three years old. However, he had been adopted by a
Speaker 3: white family, a Dutch family in Winnipeg and taken from
Speaker 3: a small reserve, Little Grand Rapids in Northern Manitoba when
Speaker 3: he was just a small child and adopted into the
Speaker 3: white family and raised by this family. Adopted and raised
Speaker 3: by this family in Winnipeg. Then he'd moved out to
Speaker 3: the West Coast, became a chef and spent about ten
Speaker 3: years out there. So anyway, Robin Green, Sidney tire Husse
Speaker 3: go back to the hotel. They have some homosexual sex,
Speaker 3: some oral sex. They drink some alcohol. That was the
Speaker 3: premise that Sydney had invited him back to the room
Speaker 3: for some drinks. July first, This was a really hot day,
Speaker 3: exceptionally hot day. It was very nice, sunny, a out
Speaker 3: of cloud in the sky, warm day, very warm day.
Speaker 3: And this is an old hotel building about nineteen thirteen
Speaker 3: with no air conditioning, so it's quite hot. Anyway, they
Speaker 3: stayed in the room for a little while. They took
Speaker 3: some photos and Robin Green had brought taken out the
Speaker 3: gold necklace and put it around Sydney's neck apparently, and
Speaker 3: they admired it. Sydney realized that it was definitely a
Speaker 3: woman's necklace. Anyway, they decided they should go for a walk,
Speaker 3: pick up some beer, go outside sit by the river.
Speaker 3: So they eventually walked and made their way back to
Speaker 3: a Cineboine Avenue, and for those listening, a Cinneboyne Avenue
Speaker 3: was where the Shall We Dance? Movie was set up.
Speaker 3: It was further down from the park that they ended
Speaker 3: up being at spending a few hours in the afternoon. Whoever,
Speaker 3: was just down the street from the Shall We Dance?
Speaker 3: Movie set outdoor location and all the hullabou hullabaloo were
Speaker 3: involved with that, and all the fans vying to see
Speaker 3: their star celebrities that they were interested in seeing, and
Speaker 3: the police were there and of course security. He's a
Speaker 3: big celebrity. So anyway, they stayed at the park for
Speaker 3: a little while and then they came back and they
Speaker 3: talked to the bartender. It was one of the only
Speaker 3: witnesses at the trial that actually spoke to them, and
Speaker 3: apparently Robin Green was staggering, drunk, very intoxicated. Robin, pardon me,
Speaker 3: Sydney seemed to be fairly normal. They bid their goodbyes
Speaker 3: to the bartenders. Sydney wanted to go downstairs and get
Speaker 3: some ice. He asked the bartender to watch him for
Speaker 3: a second, he introduced him, they went upstairs, and the
Speaker 3: story ends for the time being. Now the next morning,
Speaker 3: July second, Now I'm skipping ahead a little bit, of course,
Speaker 3: once the jewelry is stolen, Susan Surrandon and her assistant
Speaker 3: notice that the jeury is stolen and of course call police.
Speaker 3: So police are called to the Shall We Dance movie
Speaker 3: set on July first, concerning the theft of some jewelry.
Speaker 3: And on July second, around nine thirty am, Sidney tierheues,
Speaker 3: thinking that he is walking into a police station, actually
Speaker 3: goes into a remand center, which is a holding center
Speaker 3: basically a jail, a little bit different than a police station.
Speaker 3: This is where somebody would go in to visit somebody
Speaker 3: that was in custody awaiting trial. So he walked in
Speaker 3: and asked to see someone, and he said, what's about, Well,
Speaker 3: I just want to talk to someone. Seemed to be
Speaker 3: very very calm, cool and collect no signs of anything amiss.
Speaker 3: Asked to see someone. A senior officer named Donald Steenson
Speaker 3: came out from the back and said, what's this about.
Speaker 3: They went into a back room and he said, yes,
Speaker 3: can I help you? And he said, well, I just
Speaker 3: came in because I've killed someone. And he said, oh wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, hang on, don't tell me this. I'm
Speaker 3: not the kind of guy you should be telling this to.
Speaker 3: You just totally caught him off guard because this is not,
Speaker 3: you know, this is definitely not something that he would expect,
Speaker 3: being that it's a Remann center and not a police station.
Speaker 3: Certainly even a police station. This is not this is
Speaker 3: completely out of the ordinary. Anyway, he walked in, he said,
Speaker 3: you know, I would like to speak to someone, and
Speaker 3: guard came out from the back, Donald Steveson, like I said,
Speaker 3: and he said, can I help you? And he said,
Speaker 3: matter of factly, I found a body chopped up in
Speaker 3: my bathtub. I've turned myself in because I've killed somebody.
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Speaker 3: Matter a faculty, I said, don't say another word. I'm
Speaker 3: not the person you telling this too. He handed the
Speaker 3: phone to Sydney, gave him the number for the Public
Speaker 3: Safety Building, the actual police station, and instructed him to
Speaker 3: call now. The operator on the other line, my name
Speaker 3: is Zupansky. This woman's name, ironically is Robin Zubanski. Anyway,
Speaker 3: she answered the phone, Winnipeg Police, how can I help you?
Speaker 3: And Sydney calmly replied, my name is Sidney Teohues and
Speaker 3: I killed someone yesterday. She asked, how'd you do it.
Speaker 3: I chopped up the guy. I blacked out. When I
Speaker 3: woke up, I found the body in the bathtub. So
Speaker 3: she asked what type of weapon he did He did
Speaker 3: you use to kill the victim? Says? I used the knife?
Speaker 3: Where's his knife now? I left it on the floor
Speaker 3: of the bathroom. Where did this occur? The Royal Albert
Speaker 3: Arms Hotel, Room three O nine. And where are you now?
Speaker 3: The remand center, She said, sir, police officers are on
Speaker 3: their way now. Two police officers come, Officer August Marin
Speaker 3: and her his partner, Sylvia Schroeder, And he'd been a
Speaker 3: cop for about eight years, she'd been a cop about
Speaker 3: four years. And they walked into the facility, saw Sydney
Speaker 3: sitting on a small couch close to the entrance, and
Speaker 3: asked him to displain his story. So, besides what the
Speaker 3: two officers had already been informed of by the nine
Speaker 3: one one operators of Banski, Sydney told them that he
Speaker 3: had met the victim. They'd gone to his room for
Speaker 3: drinks and this seemed odd to me, consensual sex and
Speaker 3: eventually had passed out intoxicated. When he woke, he went
Speaker 3: to the washroom and in the bathtub was a dismembered body. Now,
Speaker 3: I never gave any more details to these officers, and
Speaker 3: the three of them proceeded to the Royal Albert Arms
Speaker 3: Hotel in Sydney's room. So the hotel was not very
Speaker 3: far and they arrived during a few minutes. This is,
Speaker 3: I say, an older hotel built in nineteen thirteen. Now
Speaker 3: it's a sort of a mainstay for punkin hardcore metal
Speaker 3: bands to play in the bar in the basement caters
Speaker 3: to it's a low income clientele in the hotel itself,
Speaker 3: and so maybe get the picture. Another cop joined them
Speaker 3: at the hotel and the three officers in Sydney that
Speaker 3: they went through the front entrance, past the barroom, up
Speaker 3: the elevator into the third floor. Now they asked him
Speaker 3: for the key and he had it to him, and
Speaker 3: Officer Maren opened the door and walked in first and
Speaker 3: his partner, Officer Schroder followed, and Constable Beach he remained
Speaker 3: in the hallway with Sydney. Now it was an incredibly
Speaker 3: small room and it was beer bottles all over the
Speaker 3: place and a bunch of pairs of blood stained underwear. Now,
Speaker 3: female Officer Schroder found a bed sheet on the floor
Speaker 3: covered in blood, and the mattress had several seemed seemingly
Speaker 3: deep knife cuts and was soaked with blood. Now there
Speaker 3: was blood splattered all over the wall by the bed
Speaker 3: and the wall leading to the washroom. Now Maren quickly
Speaker 3: completed looking about this little room, like I say, and
Speaker 3: proceeded to the washroom. When he pushed open the door,
Speaker 3: he froze in the antique cloth foot backhub Robin Green
Speaker 3: was displayed lying on his back facing the doorway. He
Speaker 3: had been dismembered and posed crudely reassembled. The decapitated head
Speaker 3: with long, straight, coarse black hair, sat atop the neck
Speaker 3: and torso. One of the eyeballs was gone and the
Speaker 3: other punctured. The mouth was frozen wide open. Now the
Speaker 3: body was sawn in half at the waist. The severed
Speaker 3: forearms were positioned close to the elbows, as well as
Speaker 3: the severed legs, which had been cut cleanly surgically just
Speaker 3: below the knees. Now the penis and testicles again were
Speaker 3: surgically removed together and placed where they would be normal.
Speaker 3: The chest had dozens of steep stab wooms, and it
Speaker 3: was carved in a figure eight pattern. Right nipple was
Speaker 3: cut off, and the right forearm and the hand were
Speaker 3: partially dissected. Now at the same time, simultaneously he's seeing
Speaker 3: all of this. There was one huge cut from the
Speaker 3: neck clear to the waist, and the chest and abdominal
Speaker 3: cavity were completely empty. Flash hung from the two rib cages.
Speaker 3: The skin's color was gray. All of the internal organs,
Speaker 3: the intestines, everything that normally would have been in a
Speaker 3: body was gone. There was no blood inside the cavity
Speaker 3: or on any of the body parts. Now, this officer maren.
Speaker 3: He stood there for about two or three minutes. He
Speaker 3: couldn't move. He stood there, trends fixed. He couldn't move
Speaker 3: or say anything. His mind could simply not process what
Speaker 3: he was witnessing. Despite the fact he had grown up
Speaker 3: in rough and tumble Winnipeg, despite his extensive police training
Speaker 3: in almost eight years working the streets of Winnipeg, and
Speaker 3: this is a murder capital of Canada many years running.
Speaker 3: Despite having been told by Sidney that there would be
Speaker 3: a chopped up body in the bathtub, the scene, this
Speaker 3: scene was overwhelming. This big, strong, tough and trained veteran
Speaker 3: officer found himself short of breath, tight chest sweating, shaking,
Speaker 3: and needing to vomit. The sight and smell of the
Speaker 3: rotting corpse, surrounded by a horde of flies, began to
Speaker 3: finally snap him back to reality. Initial shock turned to cold,
Speaker 3: hard recognition, and then finally revulsion. He finally stumbled out
Speaker 3: of the washroom to the main room and then out
Speaker 3: quickly into the hallway. He tried his best to compose himself,
Speaker 3: steadying himself in the doorway, trying to catch his breath,
Speaker 3: and finally told Officer Beach cougham and he did. Referring
Speaker 3: referring to the washroom, he told his partner, don't go
Speaker 3: inside there, you really don't need to see that. And
Speaker 3: Officer Maren locked the door and gave the key to
Speaker 3: Officer Beach so he could remain keeping the room secure. Now,
Speaker 3: the two officers Maren and Schroeder walked to the elevator
Speaker 3: and traveled downstairs to the lobby and then outside to
Speaker 3: the police car. Now, Officer Schroeder placed Sidney in the backseat,
Speaker 3: and then she was concerned. She asked her partner you okay,
Speaker 3: and the guy was shaking, and the officer wiped his
Speaker 3: tears from his face and replied no, I'm not not
Speaker 3: after seeing something like that. So the three of them
Speaker 3: she had called headquarters report the murder and asked if
Speaker 3: you wanted to contact the laure and said he did.
Speaker 3: The coroner's van pulled up, then the Crown Victoria police
Speaker 3: car showed up. Shortly after that, four crime technicians, a
Speaker 3: coroner and the two cops center the hotel, went to
Speaker 3: room three o nine. There had been a crowd started
Speaker 3: to gather almost immediately outside the hotel. CTV News showed
Speaker 3: up shortly after that, and a couple of the other
Speaker 3: news agencies, and it's almost like with the news agencies
Speaker 3: came all the curious onlookers. Someone who was even heard
Speaker 3: asking if the scene was being filmed. There's so many
Speaker 3: movies in Winnipeg. They thought it was being part of
Speaker 3: a movie. Now Sydney here who sent handcuffed in the
Speaker 3: police card. Nobody even noticed this guy, who's there for
Speaker 3: about ten minutes or so. Three of them then proceeded
Speaker 3: to the Public Safety building. The crime scene investigators searching
Speaker 3: the room, however, had discovered Susan Sarandon stole in gold necklace.
Speaker 3: In the midst of this whole murder horror spectacle. Now,
Speaker 3: how I came to this story and my involvement is
Speaker 3: a central feature of this book. When I first became
Speaker 3: involved with this, I'll give you a little bit of
Speaker 3: the background. But when I first heard about this, I
Speaker 3: had arrived back in Winnipeg. I'm originally from thunder Bay, Ontario,
Speaker 3: about five hundred miles away from Winnipeg East and anyway,
Speaker 3: I arrived back on the fourth of July after spending
Speaker 3: Canada Day and thunder Bay, and I saw the Winnipeg
Speaker 3: Sun newspaper with the headline victim cut in pieces, stole
Speaker 3: in film, jewelry and bizarre tale of murder. And in
Speaker 3: the subsequent days I saw the murder dismemberment story make
Speaker 3: the front pages. And then on July twelfth, Sidney Tierhues
Speaker 3: again on the front page, this time with his smiling
Speaker 3: in the headline I Am not a monster, and inside
Speaker 3: there's another caption, I'm not Jeffrey Dahmer. And the headline
Speaker 3: in the paper on page three was Royal Albert hell
Speaker 3: a Qu's killer has no recall of grizzly events. Now
Speaker 3: I read the story about the gruesome murder and the
Speaker 3: statements made by Tearhuse and saying he had passed out
Speaker 3: and he had no memory of the killing. I was
Speaker 3: doing a radio show since two thousand, called Off the Cuff,
Speaker 3: and I had the freedom to be able to interview
Speaker 3: anybody about anything I wanted. I was sort of an
Speaker 3: open format I came up with. It was a one
Speaker 3: hour weekly program live, and so I could handle some
Speaker 3: controversial topics. About a couple of years in and I
Speaker 3: had been in Winnipeg only both at that time, about
Speaker 3: six or eight years. But I was very dismayed by
Speaker 3: the kind of stuff I was reading in the newspapers.
Speaker 3: Some of the most bizarre crimes in Canada are occurring
Speaker 3: right in Winnipeg. Like I say, it's the murder capital
Speaker 3: of Canada many years running by far, and so there
Speaker 3: are some serious problems here and we won't go into that,
Speaker 3: but suffice to say it is the murder capital anyway.
Speaker 3: I had been involved because I had read about a
Speaker 3: group a gentleman who had lost his son to another person,
Speaker 3: and he was dutifully outraged with the Canadian laws and
Speaker 3: the leniency and seemingly the coddling of criminals. It's incredible
Speaker 3: compared if you looked at other jurisdictions like the US.
Speaker 3: It's night and day. Apparently we have the same basic
Speaker 3: judicial system, but you wouldn't know it anyway. He formed
Speaker 3: a group called People for Justice, and basically what we
Speaker 3: were talking about was dealing with the serious crime the
Speaker 3: rape murder, you know, official pedophiles, certified pedophiles, the most
Speaker 3: serious crime, violent criminals, So we're talking about the most
Speaker 3: heinous criminals, most serious criminals. And then critical of some
Speaker 3: of the things like concurrent sentences. Instead of a consecutive sentence,
Speaker 3: say for three murders, you would get a twenty five
Speaker 3: year sentence, possibly for three for each murder, which would
Speaker 3: enable you'd have seventy five years. So in effect, you
Speaker 3: can't get a you will never be able to be
Speaker 3: released on parole, even if anyone wanted to let you out.
Speaker 3: In this country we have we don't have that. We
Speaker 3: call it concurrent sentencing. So three murders counts the same
Speaker 3: as one. That's just one of the myriad of problems
Speaker 3: that we have that the group was critical of. And
Speaker 3: again some of the leniency and some of the just
Speaker 3: a completely different system. And so I was a very
Speaker 3: vocal critic and was involved with People for Justice as
Speaker 3: a chairman of Media and Policy Affairs. And when I
Speaker 3: saw this story, it looked like an incredible example again
Speaker 3: of a guy that does jack the ripper, and beyond
Speaker 3: the removal of all the organs and then you know,
Speaker 3: the police never found them ever, so they were missing.
Speaker 3: Now the body was posed reassembled like some kind of well,
Speaker 3: it's hard to describe. It's a scarecrow. I mean it's
Speaker 3: definitely for a fact. Now the jewelry is not too
Speaker 3: far away, it's not hidden, it's it was not too
Speaker 3: far away from the entire crimes is right there. And
Speaker 3: he walks into a police station and says nonchalantly, Hey,
Speaker 3: you know, I you know, I killed someone, but hey,
Speaker 3: I was drunk. I passed out. When I woke up,
Speaker 3: I saw the crime scene. I can't remember anything now.
Speaker 3: For again, for people that are listening, you're going, yeah,
Speaker 3: but still it's an open and shutcase. Not in Canada.
Speaker 3: As soon as alcohol is involved, it diminishes the responsibility
Speaker 3: of the person. And many many times, and it's under
Speaker 3: many circumstances, somebody who has voluntarily consumed alcohol will have
Speaker 3: that as more than a mitigating circumstance. It lessens the
Speaker 3: murder charge from second degree murder to manslaughter. Now manslaughter
Speaker 3: allows for a life sentence. However, what's called precedent, and
Speaker 3: it's a precedent where the courts say they have to
Speaker 3: follow this ever increasing precedent of leniency they come up with.
Speaker 3: If it was ten years for one person, ten years
Speaker 3: for another person similar circumstances, it just seems that the
Speaker 3: sentences always get less and less, So maybe manslaughter will
Speaker 3: be ten years. In Canada. After two thirds of that sentence,
Speaker 3: you're released mandatorily unless there is some major problem. There
Speaker 3: is the ability for parole at one sixth of your sentence,
Speaker 3: or certainly one third of your sentence, but at two
Speaker 3: thirds six years out of a ten year sentence. And
Speaker 3: then we just went through something where we were talking
Speaker 3: about two for one credit. Every time spent in pre
Speaker 3: trial custody would count for twice in Canada up to
Speaker 3: three to five years for a trial. In this case,
Speaker 3: over five years, that would count as double. Lots of
Speaker 3: people walk out after their pre trial custody time served
Speaker 3: under this manslaughter anyway, I wanted to go into that
Speaker 3: dry stuff so that you have sort of a background
Speaker 3: of what's going on, even Canadians aren't very sure of this,
Speaker 3: but definitely Americans I think will be surprised.
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Speaker 3: dealing with these kinds of people, especially when you hear
Speaker 3: everything about this crime. Now again, when I read these articles,
Speaker 3: I clipped up the newspaper articles out of the paper,
Speaker 3: put them aside. Was working with people for justice. There
Speaker 3: wasn't much going on with that. It just seemed to be.
Speaker 3: You know, the public is fairly apathetic unless something personally
Speaker 3: happens to them. It seems anyway. Someone that I knew
Speaker 3: from originally from thunder Bay called me one day. The
Speaker 3: crime happened in July, and this was say November, early November.
Speaker 3: This person had been incarcerated for what a what ended
Speaker 3: up being charges that were dismissed. Anyway, he was in
Speaker 3: jail for a fairly short period of time and he
Speaker 3: asked me called if he could correspond with me. He was,
Speaker 3: I guess nobody wants to be inside jail. Whatsoever. I
Speaker 3: knew him, I thought there was no harm in letting
Speaker 3: him call me from jail. In a couple months, he
Speaker 3: called me and asked me if I could guess who
Speaker 3: was in the same cell block as he was, And
Speaker 3: lo and behold it was Sidney Tearhuse, Jack the Ripper
Speaker 3: and beyond. Now I had my radio show, this weekly
Speaker 3: show with again the open format, and with my background
Speaker 3: with People for Justice, and I am a vocal critic.
Speaker 3: I saw this is an opportunity. I asked him if
Speaker 3: he wanted to be in my radio program. Let me
Speaker 3: preface this as well. Immediately after he was arrested, and
Speaker 3: this is very unusual compared to most people, they were
Speaker 3: advised immediately not to speak to the media. This person
Speaker 3: felt it necessary to grant interviews like I had mentioned,
Speaker 3: I'm not Jeffrey Dahmer. I can't recall anything. It seemed
Speaker 3: to me that this person was at least psychopathic in
Speaker 3: terms of or narcissistic, whatever you want to call it,
Speaker 3: in terms of he was seeking attention, he was willing
Speaker 3: to talk. He enjoyed the focus on him. That's what
Speaker 3: I could deduce instantly. So when my friend associate or acquaintance,
Speaker 3: what you want to call him. When this acquaintance said
Speaker 3: to me, a guess who's in the cell block, I
Speaker 3: immediately said, see if he wants to be interviewed. So
Speaker 3: apparently he said while at some point he would Now
Speaker 3: I'm molled this over in my mind for a few
Speaker 3: days and said, you know, I've been doing radio for
Speaker 3: a while, but I'd really like to write a book.
Speaker 3: And this issue, I think, this example of this court case,
Speaker 3: and I didn't know what to expect whatsoever. I knew
Speaker 3: what his crime was. I knew that he was claiming
Speaker 3: he had no memory. I intuitively, or in my mind,
Speaker 3: thought it was a very interesting story. So in a
Speaker 3: few days I asked my friend Don to ask Sidney
Speaker 3: if he was interested in writing a book. I said,
Speaker 3: I was interested in his trial and in his story.
Speaker 3: He got back to me sort of a day later
Speaker 3: or so and said, yes, he'd be interested. Now I
Speaker 3: asked this gentleman to request to share a cell, if
Speaker 3: you can believe this, share a celt with this guy Sydney,
Speaker 3: so that they could he could build a rapport with him,
Speaker 3: befriend him, and then begin the process of chronicling his
Speaker 3: whole life as part of any true crime book. It's
Speaker 3: certainly not the most interesting aspect of this story for me,
Speaker 3: but why might as well get the story of his
Speaker 3: wife from him? And we'll go into why that was
Speaker 3: necessary to do that, why I think it's better, and
Speaker 3: again why it was just totally necessary anyway, So they
Speaker 3: start beginning with chronicling his life. Soon after, Sydney asked
Speaker 3: me if I'd like to come and visit him in
Speaker 3: jail at the remand Center. I said sure. I went
Speaker 3: to visit him. It was an interesting interview. He told
Speaker 3: me a lot of things that I thought. I thought
Speaker 3: it was very open for the very first time. But
Speaker 3: the main purpose of this was to begin a rapport
Speaker 3: to show him, how you know, serious I was about
Speaker 3: this book. Agreement to write this and also to you know,
Speaker 3: basically have an interview with him. I thought, if I had,
Speaker 3: the more interviews I have with him, the more I
Speaker 3: can get on his personality, take a get a good
Speaker 3: read on this person. And at that first visit, however,
Speaker 3: he's told me that likely they could be listening to
Speaker 3: the phone calls because you talk through telephones through the
Speaker 3: plexiglass in this caged visiting area at this Reman center.
Speaker 3: So I certainly he said to me that they likely
Speaker 3: could listen and would likely listen to conversations on the telephone.
Speaker 3: So he said, for any confidential information, be much better,
Speaker 3: much better to be written in a letter, to communicate
Speaker 3: it in a letter. Now, once upon a time in
Speaker 3: correctional centers, I have researched this. Once a time, in
Speaker 3: correctional centers and penitentiaries, all mail was read for anything
Speaker 3: that could be a miss escape plans, or anything just
Speaker 3: communicating with the wrong people there. It was fairly strict rules.
Speaker 3: I was surprised that he felt confident that he could
Speaker 3: write me things in letters confidential information. Again, at this time,
Speaker 3: I did not know how much much information I could
Speaker 3: get from this killer. However, the conversation I did have
Speaker 3: with the eventual cellmate, Don, who spent almost two months
Speaker 3: in the same cell as this guy in two separate times,
Speaker 3: building a rapport, building a trust, telling this person that
Speaker 3: I was the journalist that would be able to tell
Speaker 3: his story, to convey his story in its entirety. Now,
Speaker 3: Sidney then begins a correspondence with me in letters, and
Speaker 3: instead of Don writing this, Sydney writes it in his
Speaker 3: own words. He's very articulate. He's also very a legible writer, printer.
Speaker 3: Lots of the stuff is printed, and he is expressive
Speaker 3: writer as well. And I guess he has you know,
Speaker 3: he saw this as a project where we would write
Speaker 3: the book together about his crimes, about the trial, about
Speaker 3: his life, and so that's what we started. And I
Speaker 3: started the correspondence in February or March of two thousand
Speaker 3: and four. Meanwhile, this murder occurred July first. He went
Speaker 3: to police July second, two thousand and three, so it's
Speaker 3: not that many months after Don Abbott is released. After
Speaker 3: a few months his charges dismissed, he needed a place
Speaker 3: to stay. I had a home with a couple extra bedrooms.
Speaker 3: I invitems to move in, tried to question him about
Speaker 3: Tearhus anything about him, He might have said four sentences.
Speaker 3: He wanted to go to work and forget that he
Speaker 3: lived with the guy. He was with the guy. That's
Speaker 3: about all I could get out of him. I really didn't.
Speaker 3: Don Abbott was really a conduit and then facilitated the
Speaker 3: meeting between Tearhus and me and we went together to
Speaker 3: write this book and work together now for months and months.
Speaker 3: It was his whole life, his life in Vancouver, his adventures,
Speaker 3: and many of these. Of course, these killers are sexual addicts.
Speaker 3: These people, sex and murder are mixed together, so anyway,
Speaker 3: the usually these people have a high sex drive. And
Speaker 3: at least this is what this guy boasted about. Incredible
Speaker 3: sexual adventures of this guy, men, women anywhere anyhow, and
Speaker 3: anything goes. So he's into Stinem and all kinds of things.
Speaker 3: So I had to put up with reading that material
Speaker 3: and acting like none of this stuff shocked me, And
Speaker 3: well that wasn't so shocking. I'm really more shocked by murder,
Speaker 3: dismemberment and everything that else had happened, and what I
Speaker 3: eventually found out anyway, in this one in subsequent months
Speaker 3: around October or so, and I asked him for everything
Speaker 3: I asked him, what was your conversations with your lawyer?
Speaker 3: And what I did feed upon was that he had
Speaker 3: an animosity towards this hiatrist, he had animosity towards the
Speaker 3: judicial system. He had animosity towards his lawyer, the psychiatrist society,
Speaker 3: and maybe he felt that was an ally and was
Speaker 3: going to be helpful or I'm not sure exactly. Like
Speaker 3: I said, I think he's articulate and intelligent, but I
Speaker 3: didn't say he wasn't foolish and deluded, you know, so anyway,
Speaker 3: needless to say, in October he starts sending me. He
Speaker 3: sent me letters that were much more graphic, much more detailed,
Speaker 3: incredibly disturbing, and he sent diagrams. And by the time
Speaker 3: January will pardon me, February or so, I had received
Speaker 3: one hundred and ninety pages of letters, thirteen I think
Speaker 3: or fifteen diagrams, many of those the murdered diagrams. Incredible, graphic, horrific.
Speaker 3: Some people talk about no remorse. This person reveled, reveled,
Speaker 3: and the thing that I found out in that amount
Speaker 3: of amount of time as well in acrophilia, and again
Speaker 3: reveling in the fact, very articulate about the dismemberment again,
Speaker 3: enjoying the killing, gotting, butchering, defiling, dismembering, displaying this person
Speaker 3: as a human trophy, as he called him a piece
Speaker 3: of meat. Now, one of the issues was that the
Speaker 3: Manitoba government, you know, behind so many other states and
Speaker 3: so many other provinces, was enacting a not no Profit
Speaker 3: from of the Profits from Criminal Nordoriety Act, basically not
Speaker 3: enabling killers, criminals to profit from the notoriety of their crime,
Speaker 3: and they were drafting legislation. This is at the exact
Speaker 3: same time that I was corresponding with me in March
Speaker 3: two thousand and four. Now I knew, I absolutely knew.
Speaker 3: It was certain that the law would be passed. It
Speaker 3: isn't raised to not be passed. It's an easy political
Speaker 3: thing to get through. Everybody's going to agree with it,
Speaker 3: and it was a victim's father who was pushing it.
Speaker 3: So it's good political stuff, it's good fodder, and it
Speaker 3: makes political points and people don't do much. So there
Speaker 3: was a talk of this legislation, So I knew that. Now,
Speaker 3: my sin with some people is that I offered this
Speaker 3: killer thirty percent of the profits. It was legal. I
Speaker 3: knew the law was going to be passed. And when
Speaker 3: the law had passed, I told the killer, hey, listen,
Speaker 3: did you hear about the law? He said, no, hung
Speaker 3: up on me. Correspondence ended, and then I went to police.
Speaker 3: I went to police with everything I had, and I
Speaker 3: became the star witness. Slated to go to trial in
Speaker 3: two thousand and six. There's a preliminary hearing. Not much happens.
Speaker 3: They just need a small burden of proof to be
Speaker 3: able to take it to trial. I was the star witness. Now,
Speaker 3: I'll tell you the book features transcripts from the trial.
Speaker 3: You don't always get that, and these transcripts are incredible.
Speaker 3: That's why they're included. Almost not completely, but there's a
Speaker 3: great amount of transcript trial transcript because this trial is incredible. Now,
Speaker 3: what's also included are the actual about thirty five pages
Speaker 3: of the most horrifying, shocking, disturbing, at the same time
Speaker 3: enlightening every talked about inside the criminal mind, inside the
Speaker 3: psychopathic mind, inside the serial killer. Now, this person fits
Speaker 3: the serial killer profile perfectly, and that profile says that
Speaker 3: you could not be capable of this crime at this time,
Speaker 3: that this is the last murder, not the first murder,
Speaker 3: not the last murder, not the first murder, the last murder. Now,
Speaker 3: if you look for murders that are similar to this,
Speaker 3: you won't find them. So I'm not doing this trying
Speaker 3: to sell books. When you read this book, you will
Speaker 3: have read the words of one of the most heinous,
Speaker 3: horrific and shocking killers the world has ever known. And
Speaker 3: I kid you not. If I kid you not. The diagrams,
Speaker 3: the words, the actual details, every graphic detail reveling in
Speaker 3: this Why is that import And it's not gratuitous because
Speaker 3: all this was deemed admissible as crucial evidence in this
Speaker 3: trial just to prove he had the necessary intent to kill. Unbelievably,
Speaker 3: the onus, the burden of proof was on the Crown
Speaker 3: attorney to prove that he had the necessary intent to kill. Now,
Speaker 3: how are they going to do that? They had to
Speaker 3: discredit me convinced the jury threw me again that those
Speaker 3: letters were fictional and that they were actually cumulative, that
Speaker 3: he took the stories of Jeffrey Dahmer, Dennis Nilsen, the
Speaker 3: British Jeffrey Dahmer, and John Wayne Gacy, and he put
Speaker 3: the stories of those three serial killers together and created
Speaker 3: what his lawyer called fiction that he sent to me
Speaker 3: in those letters. The jury didn't believe it. Even though
Speaker 3: his second degree murder, they gave him twenty five years
Speaker 3: before par eligibility. So what the harshest sentence you can
Speaker 3: get in Canadian law. So the jury believed the killer's
Speaker 3: own words. The lawyer is defended more killers than anyone
Speaker 3: else in the English speaking world. Fact, he's almost at
Speaker 3: seven hundred murder cases, and almost all of those are
Speaker 3: paid by the Canadian taxpayer. We don't have lawyers assigned
Speaker 3: to killers. They get to pick whoever they want, and
Speaker 3: we pay for it, and they defend these killers they offer.
Speaker 3: You're a very aggressive defense. Anyway, it's trophy kill the
Speaker 3: shall we Dance murder? I reveal in the book what
Speaker 3: Susan Sarandon's jewelry was in regards to the motive for
Speaker 3: this murder. You're going to have to read the book
Speaker 3: to find that out. It's you won't believe, he won't
Speaker 3: believe it's role, but you get inside one of the
Speaker 3: most shocking killers in true crime history? Is he a
Speaker 3: serial killer? Read the book and you tell me. Let's
Speaker 3: see if we have any callers. And if we do,
Speaker 3: then we will see if we can connect them here
Speaker 3: and see if they've got any questions. Hello color, Well,
Speaker 3: I guess we don't. Okay, we don't have any colors.
Speaker 3: There we go anyway. This book, this started in two
Speaker 3: thousand and three. The trial was in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 3: December one to the nineteenth. It was three weeks. I
Speaker 3: was on the stand testifying for a full day. Again,
Speaker 3: that was the defense lawyer's job to discredit me. The
Speaker 3: he was not successful. Whatsoever you will read in this book,
Speaker 3: it's that what we watch on TV and what we
Speaker 3: enjoy in fiction is just that. And it's very slick.
Speaker 3: When you watch Law and Order. Every single word is purposeful.
Speaker 3: Every single thing seemed strategic. It's very methodical. While you'll
Speaker 3: see how this isn't you'll see how inaccurate this is
Speaker 3: some of it. They're not even keeping track of factual information.
Speaker 3: They're confused. They're making points that are seem to be ridiculous.
Speaker 3: There'd be no purpose to making that, to make any
Speaker 3: serious points. There seem to be a lot of unnecessary
Speaker 3: questioning of some of the witnesses in such a seemingly
Speaker 3: to most people open and shot case. This person should
Speaker 3: never get out of a mental institution, or he should
Speaker 3: never get out of a jail. But that's the way
Speaker 3: some people look at it. However, this person's psychopathic. They're
Speaker 3: not insane, they just have no conscience. They're narcissistic. Again,
Speaker 3: I don't really like to term so much, but its
Speaker 3: psychopathic encompasses all of it. A psychopathic killer, a killer
Speaker 3: with no conscience, a killer that wants to be famous,
Speaker 3: a killer who has serial killers as his role models.
Speaker 3: Instead of giving validity, which the jury didn't, and the
Speaker 3: judge to some validity to the notion that he took
Speaker 3: three serial killer stories and put them together, except he
Speaker 3: talks about the motive. He talks about the time of death.
Speaker 3: He talks about the actual dismemberment and defiling of this
Speaker 3: person as it is corroborated by the pathologist and other
Speaker 3: forensic evidence. These letters that he sent me were the
Speaker 3: crucial evidence used to prosecute him successfully and sentence him
Speaker 3: to report in the paper had never happened before. He
Speaker 3: got the equivalent of a first degree murder. In Canada,
Speaker 3: everybody gets a parole hearing. There is something called a
Speaker 3: dangerous offender. There were multiple sexual convictions that could be
Speaker 3: deemed a dangerous offender. It's very hard to get that designation,
Speaker 3: and very few criminals actually get that, despite numerous violent
Speaker 3: convictions violent crime convictions. The thing is is that if
Speaker 3: you read this book, I don't care where you are,
Speaker 3: you're going to get a really good journey into fear.
Speaker 3: On my part as well, because I thought that there
Speaker 3: was a really good chance, because there usually is, there
Speaker 3: is a very good possibility this person kind of got manslaughter.
Speaker 3: It could have been dependent on me something I did
Speaker 3: or didn't do, or didn't do right. There was so
Speaker 3: much trepidation that I had that And the trial was
Speaker 3: delayed for two and a half years because he challenged
Speaker 3: the jury composition. He said, well, I want a jury
Speaker 3: of my peers. I'm Aboriginal, and you know, he killed
Speaker 3: an Aboriginal man who actually lived as an Aboriginal on
Speaker 3: a reserve as opposed to he didn't, and he won
Speaker 3: an Aboriginal tribunal. And of course his lawyer said, yes,
Speaker 3: with this may change the way we select juries. However,
Speaker 3: a jury of your peers, if you look up the
Speaker 3: definition of peer does not mean you are entitled to
Speaker 3: a jury of natives or a jury of women. If
Speaker 3: you're women, or a jury of basketball players. If you're
Speaker 3: a black basketball player, peers only mean people of similar
Speaker 3: situation and circumstance in the community. That's all. So then
Speaker 3: I looked into well, well has this ever happened before? Well, sure,
Speaker 3: the judge that presided over it, his father presided over
Speaker 3: the same type of jury challenge, and there was six
Speaker 3: or seven other ones similar that were dismissed. You know,
Speaker 3: there's no belt tightening in the Canadian judicial system, and
Speaker 3: the rights that are afforded the most serious criminals are incredible,
Speaker 3: and I understand the reason for it. But we have
Speaker 3: a situation in Canada where the outrage is slowly simmering.
Speaker 3: We have about one tenth the murder rate that the
Speaker 3: US has, but cities like Winnipeg and Edmonton we can compete,
Speaker 3: and some of the crimes and some of the convictions
Speaker 3: that the people would be undoubtedly convicted of murder in
Speaker 3: the US are convicted of manslaughter and are out in
Speaker 3: a few years. We're talking about gang members, We're talking
Speaker 3: about serious people represented vehemently, a vehement defense by a
Speaker 3: taxpayer paid state lawyer, a provincial lawyer, a lawyer working
Speaker 3: for the government, paid by the taxpayer in a judicial
Speaker 3: system made of other lawyers. A district attorney crown attorney
Speaker 3: is called in Canada prosecuting these kinds of cases, but
Speaker 3: manslaughter is always there. Instead of first degree murder being
Speaker 3: a fairly easy thing to achieve, it's fairly difficult second
Speaker 3: degree murder. We have so many differences in Canada. If
Speaker 3: three people go to a are intending to rob someone,
Speaker 3: and one person goes in the house and kill someone,
Speaker 3: those other people are not accessories to that murder. I
Speaker 3: just did a program last week. Carla Malca Paul Bernardo,
Speaker 3: Carla hamalka sexual assault of her sister as a wedding
Speaker 3: present to her husband. He gave her virginal sister and
Speaker 3: then was involved with three other pardon me, two other murders,
Speaker 3: rape and murders and then one other rape sexual assault.
Speaker 3: She is out after twelve years on flea bargain depicted
Speaker 3: as a battered woman Battered women syndrome. Unbelievable anyway, that's
Speaker 3: a trophy kill The Shall We Dance Murder? The Trial
Speaker 3: and Revelations of a Psychopathic Killer, and I vow this
Speaker 3: is the most shocking book you'll ever dare to read. Now,
Speaker 3: next week we have Catherine Casey. She's written a book
Speaker 3: called Descent into Hell, true story of an altar boy,
Speaker 3: a cheerleader, and a twisted Texas murder. According to legendary
Speaker 3: true crime author Anne Rule, she is called Catherine Casey
Speaker 3: one of the best true crime writers today, So that's
Speaker 3: a good endorsement. Following week, we have someone called an
Speaker 3: author named Mara Martingale with her true crime bestseller Cannibal Killers. Now,
Speaker 3: this includes the worst, the world's most evil psychopaths Jeffrey Dahmer,
Speaker 3: including Ed Gaine and Andre Chikatillo from the Siviet Union,
Speaker 3: I believe, and this is an incredible book as well,
Speaker 3: And she writes it from a psychological perspective, yet it's
Speaker 3: not dry. It's just a fascinating book. And that's why
Speaker 3: it's been a bestseller in true crime categories in bookstores
Speaker 3: for years and years. Now, on March third, after Maura Martingale,
Speaker 3: we're really ramping it up. In March, we have Philip Carlo. Now,
Speaker 3: this is a really going to be amazing that I
Speaker 3: got this person on to talk about his book, The Nightstalker.
Speaker 3: This guy went right inside and talked to Richard Ramier
Speaker 3: The Life and Crimes of Richard Ramirez new exclusive Death
Speaker 3: Row interview. He conducted one hell of an interview with
Speaker 3: Rameirez and it's going to be one hell of a
Speaker 3: show and so don't miss that. That's coming up on
Speaker 3: March third. After that, we have I might have the
Speaker 3: order change a little bit. We have an author named
Speaker 3: Stevie Cameron. This woman is a highly respected author and
Speaker 3: investigative journalist. He's written books about corrupt politicians, including Canada's
Speaker 3: own Prime Minister. And his book was called On the Take.
Speaker 3: And this person is fearless and she felt compelled to
Speaker 3: cover the story of the Picton trial. Robert Willie Picton,
Speaker 3: one of the most notorious serial killers in the world
Speaker 3: and one of the strangest stories. If you haven't heard
Speaker 3: the story, go to a crime library for just a
Speaker 3: taste of it and then join me for this great
Speaker 3: author talking about incredible book, The Picton Files. Now, this
Speaker 3: pig farmer from British Columbia outside Vancouver. True craft fans
Speaker 3: probably heard about this. DNA connected this guy to twenty
Speaker 3: six women at least found partially or completely on his
Speaker 3: farm that he owned with his brother. So that's another story.
Speaker 3: But suspected of at least fifty murders. Incredible case. Lots
Speaker 3: of publication, bands and secrecy, and you know the controversy
Speaker 3: over the cops not doing anything this guy. Apparently people
Speaker 3: have suspected this guy for years and years. Incredible, So
Speaker 3: join me for that. The picton files of Stevie Cameron. Now,
Speaker 3: after that, we're going to have likely Sue Russell if
Speaker 3: she's not busy. She wrote the book Lethal Intent, story
Speaker 3: of Aileen Warnos, the notorious female hitchhiker serial killer, and
Speaker 3: Warnos was played by Charlie's Theerron in the Academy Academy
Speaker 3: Award winning Monster Movie. Now Terry Sullivan is another guest.
Speaker 3: It's going to be coming on. He wrote a fantastic
Speaker 3: book called Killer Clown. He's the district attorney that investigated
Speaker 3: and helped prosecute or did prosecute John Wayne Gacy, one
Speaker 3: of the most infamous and notorious serial killers ever. After that,
Speaker 3: we have Burrel Bear with his incredible book called Body Account.
Speaker 3: He's considered one of the very best investigative true crime authors,
Speaker 3: second only to one of my favorites, the late great
Speaker 3: Jack Olson. After that, we have Caitlin Ruther. These are
Speaker 3: all Pinnacle authors. If you haven't, if you haven't read
Speaker 3: some stuff from Pinnacle, it is right up there with
Speaker 3: Saint Martins Press. I actually think that Pinnacle is one
Speaker 3: of the best imprints ever from Kensington Press, the great authors,
Speaker 3: great stories. It's a great, great publishing company. Anyway, Caitlyn
Speaker 3: Ruther with her incredible book called Body Parts, and then
Speaker 3: after that we have Linda Rosenkrantz with her book called Ripper.
Speaker 3: So we've got stuff and a bunch of other people
Speaker 3: coming on board after that. Though, I just wanted to
Speaker 3: thank you very much for listening to this program if
Speaker 3: you did enjoy it. Also, I wanted you to go
Speaker 3: for more information about this book if you're interested, and
Speaker 3: details of when exactly it's going to come out, and
Speaker 3: information how you can get your ebook right from my website.
Speaker 3: Go to trophy Kill dot tv Trophy Kill one word
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Speaker 3: the information there and some videos that were up actually
Speaker 3: film clips were uploaded onto YouTube and stay tuned for
Speaker 3: a couple more. They're just incredible. They're going to be
Speaker 3: posted in the next little while, all referring you back
Speaker 3: to the website. So Thank you very much for been
Speaker 3: listening to a program True Murder, most shocking killers in
Speaker 3: true crime history, and the authors that have written about them.
Speaker 3: Good Night,