Speaker 1: Oh bed of their.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
Speaker 2: of Conspiracy. And my name is Jonathan, I'm Jacob and
Speaker 2: today we I'm actually in Louisiana. I'm at my sisters
Speaker 2: and my sister's lovely garage. And it's still a little
Speaker 2: toasty in Louisiana because there is no ac in here
Speaker 2: and it's a little sweaty. But that's all right. We're
Speaker 2: muscling through.
Speaker 3: If I would have known that you were and you
Speaker 3: told me that you were coming to the state, if
Speaker 3: I would have like thought ahead, I would have had
Speaker 3: a second.
Speaker 1: Chair lined up ready to go here.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I know you just came off the
Speaker 3: road and everything, so I mean, it is what it is.
Speaker 3: But we are going to try to get through this
Speaker 3: episode tonight in quick time. Although we are going to
Speaker 3: be going very in depth. I'm gonna try to blaze
Speaker 3: through the material.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3: We are living in wild times, we really are, and
Speaker 3: as everything is going on around us, we keep hearing
Speaker 3: certain people, certain politicians be attributed to the Nazi Party,
Speaker 3: to fascism, to all these things. Literally hitler, that's a
Speaker 3: term here.
Speaker 1: Used a lot.
Speaker 3: And I'm not gonna throw political names on it. It's
Speaker 3: election day or there after, day after anyway, and you know,
Speaker 3: we have a lot of things going on. You're hearing
Speaker 3: a lot of rhetoric. But you know, it kind of
Speaker 3: got me thinking, as we are the cult of conspiracy,
Speaker 3: and we have talked a bit about Nazi occult symbolism
Speaker 3: and things that they use.
Speaker 1: We've talked about the Thula society.
Speaker 3: But you know, in reality, Hitler's witchcraft and his search
Speaker 3: for the ancient Aryan race and all these things. Right,
Speaker 3: I'm taking the pg's office a matter of fact, got
Speaker 3: some reading a dude.
Speaker 1: Night, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3: What if I told you that all of these occult practices,
Speaker 3: this dark magic, this witchcraft, these pagan principles that they
Speaker 3: tried to put into the German Zeitgeist, What if I
Speaker 3: told you that this wasn't just a.
Speaker 1: Metaphorical thing that they just said just to say.
Speaker 3: What if I told you that Adolf Hitler slept with
Speaker 3: a certain book at his bedside. The book was a
Speaker 3: parapsychology tome named Magic with a K. And in this
Speaker 3: book there was specific sentences underlined. Uh For example, one
Speaker 3: of the underlying sentences from this book, Satan is the fertilizing, destroying,
Speaker 3: constructing warrior. Okay, here's another direct quote underlined by Adolph himself.
Speaker 3: He who does not carry demonic seeds within him will
Speaker 3: never give birth to a new world.
Speaker 2: Can I ask you something though, like getting into all
Speaker 2: this kind of stuff, I would never I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to be that guy who sticks up for fucking Hitler
Speaker 2: or anything that's as any, but just I like to
Speaker 2: try and get into the psychology of that kind of
Speaker 2: like demented mind because it's it's kind of fun really.
Speaker 2: But so we know that, you know, his painting the ass,
Speaker 2: not necessarily paying the ass, like his his deal with
Speaker 2: the Jews, he saw them as a pain in the ass,
Speaker 2: so to say.
Speaker 1: Right, he had a bit of an issue with them. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, if let's just say, let's say he's one of
Speaker 2: those guys who was, you know what, just trying to
Speaker 2: be the boogeyman all the time to do like to
Speaker 2: to the opponent to literally everything. You know, those people
Speaker 2: the contrarian, the contrarian that is always against everything that
Speaker 2: you got to say, even if they don't believe it.
Speaker 2: But they're making like, you know, like a devilish point,
Speaker 2: so to say, right, and it does make me wonder
Speaker 2: if he's over there trying to deal with the Jews,
Speaker 2: Oh well you're Jewish. Huh. Well, here calls big bad
Speaker 2: Satan kind of.
Speaker 1: Guy, and that's fair.
Speaker 3: And so that's my point, right, That's kind of what
Speaker 3: led me down this rabbit hole. We've talked about certain
Speaker 3: things that certain members of the Nazi Party believed, but
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean all Nazis believed it. We talked about
Speaker 3: certain occult practices that Hitler may have used from time
Speaker 3: to time and symbolism, but that doesn't mean he necessarily
Speaker 3: took those to heart.
Speaker 1: Right, he might have been just riding the wave and
Speaker 1: all these things.
Speaker 3: And so when I found that out that he actually
Speaker 3: read this book religiously Magic with a K, and that
Speaker 3: he underlined certain passages in that book, and that book
Speaker 3: has been recovered in these at least were two of
Speaker 3: these sentences that he underlined as something important to keep
Speaker 3: in mind. Now, that led me to go down that
Speaker 3: rabbit hole of like, Okay, it doesn't take a lot
Speaker 3: of math to see that what Hitler was doing was
Speaker 3: evil inspired. I think pretty much that's an understood universal truth.
Speaker 1: Whether you believe that the Jews are controlling the world
Speaker 1: banks or not. Yeo yo yo yo yo, pause, pause, pause.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that everybody can acknowledge that the mass
Speaker 3: murder of millions of people is a net negative.
Speaker 2: Right right, right. You know what, where I question, I
Speaker 2: always question history. Don't fry me for questioning fucking Nazi Germany.
Speaker 2: I'm not one of those people that are looking at
Speaker 2: the numbers and you know, like shit like that. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna call that out because I really haven't looked
Speaker 2: into it. And to be honest, what is there to
Speaker 2: gain by looking into that kind of stuff, especially whenever
Speaker 2: you're half your crowd just you know, half the people
Speaker 2: listening are just going to cancel you. But I did
Speaker 2: find something, deniers.
Speaker 1: It's wild, Like yo, It's not a good thing to
Speaker 1: just go.
Speaker 2: On about, right right, It's like sticking up for a rapist.
Speaker 2: Nobody's gonna do that. But like, just you know what,
Speaker 2: there is something though that I did find out there
Speaker 2: was pretty pretty wild, especially whenever you hear about certain
Speaker 2: countries that we go to war with and then you
Speaker 2: find out, well, you know, we went to war with
Speaker 2: them because they were trying to kind of like make
Speaker 2: their own banking system.
Speaker 3: Right, Oh, it's I'm a goadafi. Right, he tried going
Speaker 3: on the gold standard and he got.
Speaker 2: Got right well from the stuff that I've seen, I
Speaker 2: haven't you know, fact checked it by any means. But
Speaker 2: I was looking into Hitler and you know, especially how
Speaker 2: they're coming after like a lot of people who we
Speaker 2: may be a fan of, they'll say that he's literally Hitler,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, well he's literally not Hitler when
Speaker 2: we're talking about Trump. So I wonder if that's something
Speaker 2: that they did to you know, I know that there's
Speaker 2: still like surviving Jews with the tattoos and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that. But what I found was is
Speaker 2: that supposedly he was like Germany was becoming one of
Speaker 2: the it was like one of the world's superpowers at
Speaker 2: a certain point, and they were able to they didn't
Speaker 2: necessarily need the banking system. They were able to grow
Speaker 2: and produce, and you know, they weren't necessarily requiring, you know,
Speaker 2: importing any kind of goods from any other country. They
Speaker 2: were completely sufficient World War One, right, Well, they were
Speaker 2: completely self sufficient, I guess under Hitler. And one thing
Speaker 2: that I also found out was is that whenever Hitler
Speaker 2: came into power, the homeless community got completely wiped away,
Speaker 2: like there was nobody.
Speaker 1: They were dead.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, well, I mean they were killed. The
Speaker 2: Jews were, yes, I'm not.
Speaker 3: The homeless community were also just gunned down. They they
Speaker 3: just disappeared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that documented or is that a guess?
Speaker 3: No, that's understood, Like, yo, they euthanized the mentally handicapped,
Speaker 3: like if you had a down syndrome kid, that kid
Speaker 3: got got in the streets like that was the way
Speaker 3: it was for the Fatherland of course.
Speaker 2: Oh all right, well, I guess I'm just retarded to see.
Speaker 2: That's why I prefaced it with. I didn't fact check
Speaker 2: any of it, but I didn't notice that it could.
Speaker 2: That's why I always like to look at both sides
Speaker 2: on this kind of shit, not to say, oh, I
Speaker 2: believe this, I believe that. It's like, no, I want
Speaker 2: to be fully informed whenever I'm learning about this kind
Speaker 2: of stuff.
Speaker 3: Okay, So with that in mind, right, because that's where
Speaker 3: I was, I'm like, hold on, I know that Hitler
Speaker 3: was on some shit, but to have in your book
Speaker 3: Satan is the fertilizing, destroying, constructing warrior, and this whole
Speaker 3: thing about if you don't carry demonic seeds within you,
Speaker 3: you'll never give birth to a new world. I'm like,
Speaker 3: all right, hold on now, yo, Your boy Adolf grew
Speaker 3: up in Germany, and from what we can tell, he
Speaker 3: had a relatively normal ish childhood and upbringing for a
Speaker 3: German of that time period.
Speaker 2: But he was also kind of a pussy as a kid, though,
Speaker 2: wasn't he Like, he was real into art and he
Speaker 2: was basically a fairy and and it was just like,
Speaker 2: you know, so maybe he saw it as well, look
Speaker 2: at all these world leaders, they're obviously into some you know,
Speaker 2: some meaner kind of possibly a called kind of leadership.
Speaker 2: And maybe that was what he was trying to say. Again,
Speaker 2: I'm playing contrarian.
Speaker 3: I don't know, because that was my whole thing, right, Hitler,
Speaker 3: Adolph Hitler grew up a relatively normal kid. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: was an art student, sure, a failed art student that
Speaker 3: and trust me, that comes into play here in a bit.
Speaker 3: But we know for sure that he at least dabbled
Speaker 3: in the occult, at least for a slight period of time.
Speaker 3: And even if he made and he disavowed it towards
Speaker 3: the end of the war and understood. Fine, Okay, he
Speaker 3: started shitting on these people who are still looking for
Speaker 3: the Holy Grail towards the end, But at one point
Speaker 3: in time he was doing and saying and moving in
Speaker 3: a different fashion. Okay, So how did this failed art
Speaker 3: student in normal Germany become this guy? So all the
Speaker 3: way up until the fact that even in his speeches
Speaker 3: they were orated with his body movements being certain things.
Speaker 3: All of his body movements and gestures were occult sigils.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Then, also, why do Nazi officers why did they do this?
Speaker 3: Why did they send psychics to concentration camps only to
Speaker 3: pull them out again for remote viewing in naval warfare
Speaker 3: against the British. And also, while we're on the topic
Speaker 3: of asking weird questions, how and why did the quote
Speaker 3: unquote Aryan term get associated with the blonde hair, blue
Speaker 3: eyes when they're Persian? And you know, also, while we're
Speaker 3: onto that, why do the Soviets the KGB, why do
Speaker 3: they have a document showing an entrance into hollow Earth
Speaker 3: via submarine with coordinates and directions and all of this shit?
Speaker 3: Buckle up, y'all, we're gonna be taking a little bit
Speaker 3: of an occultish ride before we do that, Jonathan, all
Speaker 3: of these things, I swear to God, all of these
Speaker 3: things tie into Nazi occultism and directly to Hitler before
Speaker 3: we begin, What are your.
Speaker 2: Thoughts, I'm uh oh. I love looking into the occult.
Speaker 2: I love looking into witchcraft and magic and all this
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. That being said, I don't necessarily look
Speaker 2: into black magic. I don't look into the darkers. I
Speaker 2: definitely don't look into satanic shit because first off, I
Speaker 2: think it's a fucking joke, and secondly, I think the
Speaker 2: people that are doing it are doing it because it's
Speaker 2: just like a corrupt politician. To me, how I look
Speaker 2: at it, because you're doing it for personal gain. It
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with the world or your family
Speaker 2: or your kids, you know, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it's for your own personal power. And that's is
Speaker 2: that not what a fucking politician does on a daily basis,
Speaker 2: just use their fucking word magic to convince everybody that
Speaker 2: they're here for the good, and then they actually get
Speaker 2: into their position and they don't actually implement any of
Speaker 2: the shit that they were talking about.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's fair.
Speaker 2: That's fucking magic to me.
Speaker 1: True. And again this is not.
Speaker 3: This is not throwing out all of magic or all
Speaker 3: of the occult or all of whatever.
Speaker 1: Listen, listen.
Speaker 3: This is gonna start off in a relatively okay place.
Speaker 3: It gets turned very quickly into a not okay thing.
Speaker 3: And trust me, it'll be very obvious when it makes
Speaker 3: that left hand turn.
Speaker 1: You feel me, Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: As soon as you start implementing sacrifice, which that's what
Speaker 2: Holocaust means, is a burnt sacrifice, I'm off board. I
Speaker 2: don't want nothing to do, nothing to do with it.
Speaker 2: I don't care if you're sacrificing a lamb, a goat,
Speaker 2: a sheep, a cow, a person, a baby, whatever. Like,
Speaker 2: I'm totally against all sacrifice for any kind of witchcraft
Speaker 2: or magical means. Just so everybody knows.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough.
Speaker 3: And that's a whole discussion in and of itself, right,
Speaker 3: no doubt.
Speaker 1: But now, all right.
Speaker 3: When Hitler rose to power and he was spitting this
Speaker 3: rhetoric about this Arian race and all this shit, the
Speaker 3: German people like latched onto it, which struck me as
Speaker 3: odd because when I think of medieval Germany, I think
Speaker 3: of Christianity in a nutshell. Yes, you could argue about
Speaker 3: was it the Catholic Church, was it the Lutheran faith?
Speaker 3: Was it you know, to which realm? But as a
Speaker 3: as a whole pretty much ever since Rome took over Gaul, right,
Speaker 3: and then when later on in the Roman Empire fell,
Speaker 3: and then it was later Christianized all these things. When
Speaker 3: I think of like, ye old Germany, these old Bavarian towns,
Speaker 3: for some reason, I get a overrewhelming christian esque vibe.
Speaker 1: Am I wrong with that?
Speaker 3: When I think of a dude and I'm thinking he's
Speaker 3: probably gonna be making it to Mass on Sunday morning.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I guess so, I mean it seems pretty
Speaker 2: uh communally, you know, traditionally sets out Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: So how did Germany even get started into like dabbling
Speaker 3: into the occult as a nation?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: They were predominantly a Christian nation. So how did these
Speaker 3: neopagan practices make their way into the German government in
Speaker 3: the nineteen thirties.
Speaker 1: Was this all because one dude at the.
Speaker 3: Top was just kind of into this shit, therefore the
Speaker 3: nation was into this shit? Or was there something a
Speaker 3: little more culturally deeper there?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: So This was confirmed further by one of the Nazi
Speaker 3: chief ideologists, Alfred Rosenberg put a pin in him. We
Speaker 3: will be talking about him later, but he said, and
Speaker 3: I'm paraphrasing here, that occultism helped unify the German people
Speaker 3: under a new one German ideology.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So basically they were not taken to Catholicism because that
Speaker 3: was a Roman religion, and they weren't taken to this
Speaker 3: or that or whatever. They were trying to find their
Speaker 3: own new ideology, and not necessarily a mythology, but something
Speaker 3: that could be rooted in historical facts to prove their
Speaker 3: blood lineage to the land itself. This is a whole thing.
Speaker 3: So it really took root in the late eighteen hundreds
Speaker 3: and early nineteen hundreds, when there was a lot of
Speaker 3: esoteric writers blending new ideas and new concepts together. We've
Speaker 3: talked about quite a handful of them on this program
Speaker 3: a time or two before now. During this time period
Speaker 3: in Europe late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, turn of
Speaker 3: the century, the church quote unquote, and I don't just
Speaker 3: mean the Catholic Church, I mean more or less organized
Speaker 3: traditional religion. The church, okay, was being challenged by new
Speaker 3: theories like Darwinism and pseudoscience. In particular, who was who
Speaker 3: was challenging not necessarily not like outright challenging the Church,
Speaker 3: but was spearheading the thought in the cultural zeitgeist to
Speaker 3: question the narrative that we've been told our entire lives
Speaker 3: and for centuries and for thousands of years. Allegedly was
Speaker 3: this woman, a Russian woman named Helena Blavatsky.
Speaker 1: We've talked about her a time or two.
Speaker 3: She was a member of the Hermetic Order of the
Speaker 3: Golden Dawn, but left when her more Eastern ideas came
Speaker 3: into fruition, and she formed the Theosophical Society. She claimed
Speaker 3: her revelations came to her while she was visiting a
Speaker 3: monastery in Tibet and learning the secrets of the occult
Speaker 3: and uncovered the keys to enlightenment, and you know, all
Speaker 3: the things, all the things. She went to a Tibetan
Speaker 3: monastery and developed the wisdom and all of these secret
Speaker 3: knowledges and all this stuff. Right, she claimed that there
Speaker 3: was still quote unquote masters on earth with all types
Speaker 3: of hidden wisdom. Certain groups took that line a little
Speaker 3: too literally and then put racial masters. But We'll get
Speaker 3: to them in a minute, I promise. She claimed that
Speaker 3: while she was in Tibet, she was taught an ancient,
Speaker 3: unknown language called Sinsar, which gave her the ability to
Speaker 3: read and translate a bunch of ancient texts that had
Speaker 3: since never been translated. She also claimed that the Tibetan
Speaker 3: monks helped her hone in and strengthen her psychic ability
Speaker 3: to manipulate people's minds and make them been to her will.
Speaker 3: She believed that she could have possessed she possessed psychic powers,
Speaker 3: transferring her consciousness, making physical matter appear and reappear. She
Speaker 3: was able to be in two places at once. Now
Speaker 3: her society drew on all types of sources. Okay, there
Speaker 3: was a little bit of Hinduism, a little Gnosticism, a
Speaker 3: little Buddhism, some Western esotericism, some alchemy, and some Jewish
Speaker 3: dark mysticism from the Kabbalah. So how did this society,
Speaker 3: the theosophical society which fine makeing a blending of a
Speaker 3: bunch of things that she's found in her travels, like dope.
Speaker 3: Cool sounds interesting, sounds like a world traveler trying to
Speaker 3: share some knowledge. Cool things, all right, So how did
Speaker 3: the Theosophical Society grow like it did in Germany? Right now,
Speaker 3: let's keep in mind that Germany was going what Germany
Speaker 3: was going through during this time. Okay, now, entering the
Speaker 3: nineteen hundreds, they were eight proud people. Germany was kind
Speaker 3: of doing their thing, bro an industrial powerhouse as far.
Speaker 1: As Europe was concerned.
Speaker 3: Then World War One happened from nineteen fourteen to nineteen eighteen,
Speaker 3: the Kaiser falls, Germany is humiliated, and they stay they
Speaker 3: stay that way until someone rises up with plans and
Speaker 3: jobs and promises and you know, all of these things
Speaker 3: to restore Germany to its rightful power. The Theosophical Society
Speaker 3: grew in Germany slowly at first, with a membership of
Speaker 3: three hundred and seventy seven in nineteen oh five. This
Speaker 3: grew to thirty seven hundred and two in nineteen thirteen. Okay,
Speaker 3: so they went from just under four hundred to just
Speaker 3: over thirty seven hundred in twelve years, Okay, which that's fair.
Speaker 3: This is a small society, you know, it is what
Speaker 3: it is. But that's not no growth. That's pretty solid.
Speaker 3: And at that point you have very dedicated people who
Speaker 3: are within your realm. You know what I mean, And
Speaker 3: that's who who doesn't want dedicated members to their group, right.
Speaker 2: Like our good cult members? Maybe with that third eye
Speaker 2: all the way open.
Speaker 3: Now, it is widely accepted that Adolph Hitler was influenced
Speaker 3: at this time by this group. Now, while he may
Speaker 3: not have been a member at this time, he was
Speaker 3: living in Vienna and as a failing artist, and at
Speaker 3: this time we can clearly see the esoteric excuse me
Speaker 3: to chain my page, You can clearly see the esoteric
Speaker 3: symbolism used by the group in literally all Nazi symbols, sigils, ceremonies, colors, ethos.
Speaker 3: The list goes on and on. Okay, but there reports
Speaker 3: that while he was staying at a hostel, he meets
Speaker 3: and befriends a guy named Joseph Garner or Griner. Excuse me,
Speaker 3: not sure if it's Joseph or Joseph. I don't know
Speaker 3: which one is the more correct Austrian pronunciation, So you know,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna call him Joseph Griner.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Now, apparently Griner showed Adolph certain magical practices to be
Speaker 3: able to control people. Now there's a story that he
Speaker 3: was able to make something levitate and that that was
Speaker 3: like all the proof Hitler needed to believe in the occult.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true or not.
Speaker 3: What I do believe is something more along the lines
Speaker 3: of he was able to hypnotize somebody before Adolph's eyes.
Speaker 3: I could believe something more along those lines, which to
Speaker 3: a young Adolph, a struggling art student living in a
Speaker 3: free hostel for the homeless and all of this, that
Speaker 3: was fucking magic as far as he was concerned, I
Speaker 3: could see that being real too.
Speaker 2: To be fair, as a hypnosis guy, I know hypnosis obviously,
Speaker 2: you know, I do the past live aggression and shit
Speaker 2: like that. But it's really not that hard to hypnotize somebody.
Speaker 2: Bro Like, it's actually like surprisingly easy to hypnotize somebody.
Speaker 1: Right, And so that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You got a guy who's got a little bit of
Speaker 3: that kind of hidden knowledge, which tell me that's not
Speaker 3: a type of hidden knowledge.
Speaker 2: Damn, I just got weird deja vu? That was weird? Anyway,
Speaker 2: Would you say that that's hidden knowledge? Is as far
Speaker 2: as hypnosis goes, You mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not necessarily hidden. Anybody could look something up online.
Speaker 3: But up until the mention of the internet. You would
Speaker 3: have to know where to look in your library. You
Speaker 3: would have to know where to look to go, get
Speaker 3: the coaching to do this stuff, to know what to
Speaker 3: say and how to say it.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm mean.
Speaker 3: It's that used to be what could arguably be classified
Speaker 3: as like hidden pseudoscience forbidden knowledge type things.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, I mean that that was some kind of
Speaker 2: mystery school kind of shit for sure. But to be fair,
Speaker 2: that's you know, if you were into the occult, you
Speaker 2: were probably very aware aware of hypnosis. That's that's probably
Speaker 2: one of the first things you learn in the occult
Speaker 2: is hypnosis, or at least of it.
Speaker 3: That's kind of why I think that that was more
Speaker 3: of the shock and all thing that got young ad
Speaker 3: Off interested in the occult and also to me, why're
Speaker 3: making something levitate, which hey, maybe he did that shit too,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Also, to be fair, like those street magicians, in those
Speaker 2: street like hypnosis people, there's a lot of plants going
Speaker 2: on there. And that's why whenever people whenever I hypnotize somebody,
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, that's not how I thought it would be.
Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, because you've seen a lot of
Speaker 2: the fake like show kind of hypnosis shit like nobody
Speaker 2: is willingly going to or I'm sorry, nobody is going
Speaker 2: to unwillingly bark like a dog, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And that's not going to happen under hypnosis.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of plants and a lot of bullshit
Speaker 3: and a lot of lights, camera action. Which that's the point.
Speaker 3: It's the show, it's the slide of hand. It's for
Speaker 3: the image. But this guy was talking about using it
Speaker 3: for real, practical purposes, and Adolph looked at this and
Speaker 3: was like, hold on, I could use this to control people,
Speaker 3: Like that's a real thing that I could do, And
Speaker 3: so he kind of got intoxicated on this, according to
Speaker 3: the story by Joseph Griner, and he would later go
Speaker 3: on to blend these practices with his racist ideologies. Now,
Speaker 3: Grinder's claims are highly contested. Although I went down the
Speaker 3: rabbit hole of the people that were hating on him,
Speaker 3: because y'all know me, I'm all about my fact checking,
Speaker 3: and I have to say that while a lot of
Speaker 3: his claims have been proven to be outright lies, as
Speaker 3: far as the story of how him and Adolph each
Speaker 3: other and to what regard, I have to say that
Speaker 3: there is in fact that kernel of truth that does
Speaker 3: line up. It's it is in fact just a flicker
Speaker 3: of a flame. But it is still the flicker.
Speaker 2: So why would you have to go on and lie
Speaker 2: about the rest of the story if his relationship with
Speaker 2: Hitler was actually real?
Speaker 1: He lied about a couple of dates.
Speaker 3: He lied about a couple of years where certain events
Speaker 3: took place and in certain locations and like certain people
Speaker 3: that were there, and like because of these things, people
Speaker 3: are like, oh, boom, outright lies. How could you have
Speaker 3: been there in nineteen seventeen when he wasn't even in
Speaker 3: the country at that time? But ba but and it's like,
Speaker 3: all right, yes, fine, as far as like trying to
Speaker 3: find this guy to be full of shit, all right,
Speaker 3: I see where you're going with this. However, as far
Speaker 3: as that story goes about how they met, why they met,
Speaker 3: the time and era that they were both in Vienna,
Speaker 3: and what this gentleman was into, that kernel of truth
Speaker 3: actually remains unbroken.
Speaker 1: That chain connects.
Speaker 3: So anyway, moving on, it's possible, not confirmed, but possible
Speaker 3: that Hitler was at least introduced to it that early, okay,
Speaker 3: And with that kernel.
Speaker 1: Of truth, it is possible.
Speaker 3: Like I said that Hitler was diving into astrology, numerology, hypnotism,
Speaker 3: and graphology, which he later actually went into. Which that's
Speaker 3: that thing where you could basically tell if someone's gay
Speaker 3: based off.
Speaker 1: Of their handwriting or not. It's a whole thing.
Speaker 3: But you know how Hitler felt about homosexuals, and apparently
Speaker 3: graphology was used like judging someone off of their handwriting
Speaker 3: whether they were too effeminate or not, therefore gay therefore
Speaker 3: should be gassed.
Speaker 1: It was a whole thing. We'll get to it.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I never heard of that, but I guess
Speaker 2: it checks out.
Speaker 3: It's a part of occult practices as far as writing
Speaker 3: is concerned, because that's a big part of certain types
Speaker 3: of spell work. But when you take it to another regard,
Speaker 3: when you talk about feminine and masculine energy depending on
Speaker 3: the type of person that is writing, it into what
Speaker 3: gender they were born with based off it's that's my point.
Speaker 1: Okay, there's a thing there.
Speaker 3: But then certain parties took it and ran with it,
Speaker 3: and then blended that with racist and hate filled ideologies
Speaker 3: and it became this shit.
Speaker 1: You see what I mean?
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, yeah, they were definitely played by a
Speaker 2: different set of rules back then, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: And Hitler actually confirmed this in a way because when
Speaker 3: it was time to give big speeches and influencing the
Speaker 3: masses was the goal, he turned to the Book of
Speaker 3: Magic again with the k Now keep in mind that
Speaker 3: the Catholic Church thought that he was actually possessed by
Speaker 3: a demon.
Speaker 1: But more on that later on.
Speaker 3: There was a whole thing where the Pope actually was
Speaker 3: trying to exercise him from Rome. But then later we
Speaker 3: found out there was actually back deal being made. Trust me,
Speaker 3: we're gonna get to it all anyway. Another documented influence
Speaker 3: on early Aidolf was a guy named Adolph Lands. Now
Speaker 3: he goes by a much longer German mystic name, but
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie to you. I don't speak German,
Speaker 3: and this dude was a massive piece of shit, so
Speaker 3: fuck him. I'm gonna use the name that he was
Speaker 3: given at his birth. Aid Off Lands homeboy was a
Speaker 3: Catholic monk for years, like over a decade, okay, and
Speaker 3: then started preaching new interpretations of the Bible. Started saying
Speaker 3: that the Old Testament was a warning against the breeding
Speaker 3: of the Aryan race, with the quote unquote pygmies. Dude
Speaker 3: then left the church saying that they were not teaching
Speaker 3: the quote unquote true Christianity. All right, And this guy
Speaker 3: was a pretty much a fucking nut job and basically
Speaker 3: started his own religion. He started this as a quote
Speaker 3: unquote new crusade against the lower races.
Speaker 1: It's called the Order of the New Templars.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely now here we have the Order of New Templars. Okay, Now,
Speaker 3: the flag that you see right there, this would be
Speaker 3: arguably where Hitler got the image for the swastika. Okay,
Speaker 3: this was the first time that we see that image
Speaker 3: really being used in Germany in this new way, in
Speaker 3: this turn of the century. This guy down here, that's that.
Speaker 3: That's that lands homie right there. He was a Catholic priest.
Speaker 3: That's your Glens von Lieburn. I feel I don't even
Speaker 3: fucking know how to pronounce that bullshit.
Speaker 2: I wonder why there's a bunch of Florida leeze around that, uh,
Speaker 2: around that swastika.
Speaker 3: So they're lilies, right, So Florida ly is fringe for flower,
Speaker 3: the lily, like the lily flower, right, And so that's
Speaker 3: what the Florida le if you were to take it
Speaker 3: as a side cut, that's supposed to be a lily.
Speaker 2: Oh, so the Florida lee was used even before it
Speaker 2: was considered like a saint kind not obviously more than
Speaker 2: a saint thing. That's more of a new thing. But
Speaker 2: so it was. I don't know why you would implement
Speaker 2: Why would you implement a fucking lily if there's no
Speaker 2: real meaning behind it?
Speaker 3: Well, they actually have the meaning behind all of the symbols. Actually, shit,
Speaker 3: I just clicked the wrong thing, didn't I?
Speaker 1: Yeah, hold on.
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, they talk about the goal
Speaker 3: was to symbolize the.
Speaker 1: Golden hold on. Dang it.
Speaker 3: Okay, I had it up here. Oh here we go,
Speaker 3: the sin of one. The swastika was already popular symbol.
Speaker 3: H okay, never mind, Oh here we go. Their symbol
Speaker 3: was a yellow flag with the swastika in four to
Speaker 3: four the leaves. The gold background was to symbolize eternity,
Speaker 3: the lilies for racial purity, and the red swastika was
Speaker 3: the rising aryan hero ah.
Speaker 2: That racial purity. That's where you come in, come in
Speaker 2: with the arians.
Speaker 3: Huh, there it is, right, And so that pretty much
Speaker 3: you could see this dude was a massive piece of shit.
Speaker 1: He really was.
Speaker 3: But your boy lands clear. You could see here clearly
Speaker 3: Hitler got some some inspiration from this movement. Okay, it
Speaker 3: doesn't take much of a genius to see that one.
Speaker 3: So members of this group had to have blonde hair
Speaker 3: and blue eyes and small hands and small feet and
Speaker 3: big heads, and they were strict about this. Apparently that
Speaker 3: was the thing too, big heads, small hands, and small feet.
Speaker 2: I feel like you're calling me out right now. Bro.
Speaker 2: I got pretty small feet and small hands, and my
Speaker 2: head is I feel like a little bit larger than
Speaker 2: it should be, at least my forehead. It's a full
Speaker 2: on five head. For anybody that's here watching on Patreon,
Speaker 2: I mean, check that fucking thing out. You can project
Speaker 2: a whole movie on that motherfucker, dude, I mean.
Speaker 1: That's the whole thing. That is whole thing. Has your
Speaker 1: hairline always been like that or is that going back
Speaker 1: with age?
Speaker 2: I actually think that it's always been that way, Like
Speaker 2: looking back at old pictures and shit, some people do.
Speaker 2: My son also terrible hairline. Yeah, and he's only two.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not bad if it's gonna stay that
Speaker 3: height forever, you know what I mean, you're locked in there,
Speaker 3: you're good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I mean it doesn't seem to be
Speaker 2: falling out. I don't even have gray hair.
Speaker 3: Yet I got gray and the beer coming in, son
Speaker 3: and I'm loving it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so excited for the salt and pepper.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean I'm looking forward to it because
Speaker 2: you ever seen like blonde dudes with gray and their hairing, Dude,
Speaker 2: it looks pretty fast. I feel like it looks pretty
Speaker 2: bad ass, looks distinguished. Yeah, yeah, distinguished. I would say
Speaker 2: that's the term, sir.
Speaker 3: So anyway, like I was saying, these dudes were very
Speaker 3: strict about their Aryan lineage as well. Not just the
Speaker 3: way you looked, but you had to prove that you
Speaker 3: were like at least five or six generations up, pure
Speaker 3: blooded Aryan. It was all about that racial superiority. In
Speaker 3: nineteen oh five, your boy wrote a book where he
Speaker 3: advocated for the sterilization of the sick. He meant the
Speaker 3: mentally handicapped, the lower races, and forced labor for the
Speaker 3: castrated chandles. What he meant by that was certain lower
Speaker 3: race beings that they would castraight and just use for
Speaker 3: manual labor literally as workhorses or slaves, just for that purpose.
Speaker 3: He goes on into a whole thing in this book
Speaker 3: about how Eve as an Adam and Eve. While she
Speaker 3: was in the Garden of Eden, she had babies with
Speaker 3: a demon. And that's like what spawned into the lower races.
Speaker 3: That's where all these other non white, non arian people
Speaker 3: came from, was from even her demon spawn. This is
Speaker 3: why quote a quote from this by the way, this
Speaker 3: is why blonde women are more attracted to dark men. Yes,
Speaker 3: that is something that apparently the German philosophers and psychopaths
Speaker 3: of the early nineteen hundreds, they just already knew that
Speaker 3: blonde women had a thing for darker complexed guys.
Speaker 1: The jokes right themselves. I swear to God.
Speaker 3: It's and that was I you know, the Catholic Church
Speaker 3: did that to this guy. He was a monk for
Speaker 3: ten years and then he went into this whole tear
Speaker 3: about how like, nah man, this ain't the way he
Speaker 3: preached nudism. Well, like the true Arians were nudists so
Speaker 3: that they could like more easily fuck women, and like
Speaker 3: the whole he was like he was on one dude.
Speaker 2: I mean, Adam and Eve were supposed to be nude.
Speaker 1: That's that was a point that he brought up a lot.
Speaker 3: So he started blending his Christian upbringing and teachings and
Speaker 3: all of that, as with his time with the Catholic
Speaker 3: Church and this new wave of racial superiority and aryan
Speaker 3: you know, hierarchy and ancient German philosophy. He blended all
Speaker 3: of that together to form this new religion, the Order
Speaker 3: of New Templars. Now in nineteen oh nine, Hitler is
Speaker 3: a young twenty year old and he starts avidly reading
Speaker 3: this monthly magazine called Ostara. Okay now, along with a
Speaker 3: lot of Hitler's cabinet in generals, by the way, like
Speaker 3: all of them were avid Ostar readers. At one point
Speaker 3: in time, Ostara was published by Adolph Lands. Hitler visited
Speaker 3: Lands in person that year nighteen know nine, and they
Speaker 3: actually developed a friendship. Now there's a whole story about
Speaker 3: like when he went and visited Lands. Uh, they met
Speaker 3: up and Lands like gave him two issues of the
Speaker 3: magazine and like signed them and like even paid for
Speaker 3: his cab fare back to the bus station or the
Speaker 3: train station wherever, and like they developed a friendship when
Speaker 3: they first met. Now he later says that this whole
Speaker 3: thing never happened, But we'll get to that in a bit,
Speaker 3: lands Like, I said, preached nudism. Nudism excuse me, for
Speaker 3: the purpose of easier access for Aran women. He took
Speaker 3: Bible verses and just uncreatively turned them racist, and by
Speaker 3: that I mean like, uh, love thy neighbor, and then
Speaker 3: he changed it to love thy neighbor if they're Rian.
Speaker 3: Like he just like took the entire Bible and just
Speaker 3: made it race as as fuck, like that, Jesus died
Speaker 3: for all sins of the white man, like it was.
Speaker 3: It was dumb shit like that that he just threw
Speaker 3: in the entire Bible and then released that as a
Speaker 3: new addition.
Speaker 2: Well okay, yeah, I mean I could make an argument,
Speaker 2: but please do sir. Well, I mean, if you really
Speaker 2: think about it, like, God's chosen people are the ones
Speaker 2: of Israel, They're the Jews. So this could have been
Speaker 2: like a clapback of saying like, you know, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you think that the perfect race and the perfect human
Speaker 2: and the in God's favorite people are of Jewish descent,
Speaker 2: They're from Israel and Palestine and places like that. Then
Speaker 2: he was probably trying to bastardize it as all Satanic
Speaker 2: people do and say, well, no, actually, we're God's chosen people,
Speaker 2: We're the perfect grace and shit like that. That's see
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, though, I feel like there's some every
Speaker 2: time somebody goes satanic, it's always a play on words
Speaker 2: with like it's the upside down of the of the
Speaker 2: of the Bible version.
Speaker 3: But you notice they always only go to the Old
Speaker 3: Testament because that's the answer. The New Testament is the
Speaker 3: answer to the Old Testament. Like how yeah, the old
Speaker 3: God in the old ways and then this new God
Speaker 3: with a new covenant that be Jesus, and the whole
Speaker 3: thing comes on and says, nah, yaw, I ain't about that.
Speaker 3: No where there's no Jews in Gentiles. That that's gone
Speaker 3: like that, that's thing of the past. There's only the
Speaker 3: right way and the other way. And that doesn't matter
Speaker 3: about where you were born or tribe or whatever.
Speaker 1: That that shit is out the window.
Speaker 3: People only take the Old Testament and then like twist
Speaker 3: that shit.
Speaker 1: Because like I get it, there's a lot of shit
Speaker 1: to twist there.
Speaker 2: Well. Sure, but they also weren't like incinerating regular Christians.
Speaker 2: It was mainly Jews right.
Speaker 3: Well, when they were incinerating quote unquote Christians, these people
Speaker 3: were Jews. Well that's not true. There was Gentiles. There
Speaker 3: was Greeks, you can go like Antioch. Yeah, there was.
Speaker 3: I mean, it wasn't just a Jewish movement. It started
Speaker 3: that way, but Rome saw it as like a real
Speaker 3: increasing like mystery cult for a while there.
Speaker 2: So the people that were in the Nazi camps, they
Speaker 2: were not just Jews, they were all religious types.
Speaker 3: Well there were Catholics that were eventually thrown in there
Speaker 3: as well, but primarily Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, communists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was about the size of it.
Speaker 2: I would feel I would feel a little pissed every
Speaker 2: time that, like the fucking Holocaust is brought up and
Speaker 2: the Jews are the only ones mentioned. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: what about the Gypsies, what about the Christians? What about
Speaker 2: the Catholics? And they're like, no, it's the Jews.
Speaker 3: The Jews got it the worst, but then the Gypsies
Speaker 3: got it right as bad, right behind them. The Masons
Speaker 3: didn't get it as bad because there wasn't as many
Speaker 3: of them to get after.
Speaker 1: I think when the time came there wasn't as many,
Speaker 1: Like there.
Speaker 3: Was a lot of Catholics that were fine and didn't
Speaker 3: even get brought in, but the Catholics that they get
Speaker 3: brought in were the ones that were like being loud
Speaker 3: about it and shit, we'll get to things, we'll get
Speaker 3: to things, but just keep in mind that this dude
Speaker 3: is just pretty mu took it and preached about this this
Speaker 3: great white savior, right, Adolf Lands was preaching about this
Speaker 3: great white savior that would come to restore the Aryan
Speaker 3: race to the seat of power.
Speaker 1: It was a whole thing that he did.
Speaker 3: Now Hitler unronically believed that he himself was that very
Speaker 3: messiah figure. Okay, now two interesting side points here. One,
Speaker 3: both Adolf Hitler and Adolph Lands were Jewish, even though
Speaker 3: they both went on and on about how the Jews
Speaker 3: were clearly the people that were like of Satanic birth
Speaker 3: and all these things. Hitler from his grandmother and Adolph
Speaker 3: Lands from literally his mother was Jewish, but like whatever,
Speaker 3: I guess you know, boy got mommy issues or whatever.
Speaker 3: And number two, when Hitler finally rose to power, he
Speaker 3: pretty much refused to acknowledge Lands even once, like completely
Speaker 3: pretended like he and never even knew each other.
Speaker 2: He took all the credit.
Speaker 3: Lansy didn't even take the credit, just like pretending like
Speaker 3: he's never even heard of Lands before.
Speaker 1: Hm. Okay, And like when people would even bring up, oh,
Speaker 1: have you heard of him?
Speaker 3: He's like, oh that No, I don't really know that guy.
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're talking about. Who what's he
Speaker 3: saying things about?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: It was like fucking crazy dude, And Adolf was Lance
Speaker 3: Lance is over here, like, bro, I put you on
Speaker 3: like I was.
Speaker 1: We were boys, like you came and met me.
Speaker 3: I gave you issues of Ostara and all this, and
Speaker 3: Hitler's like, I don't even like, nah, what are you
Speaker 3: talking about?
Speaker 1: Dude? It was fucking wild and petty.
Speaker 3: And so then later on in the nineteen twenties, one
Speaker 3: of these editions of the Ostara magazine, he wrote, Jacob Lanz,
Speaker 3: excuse me. Adolf LANs wrote, quote, one shall remember the
Speaker 3: swastika and fascist movements are basically offspring of the Ostara
Speaker 3: end quote. So basically he's saying, keep in mind y'all
Speaker 3: all this shit the Hitler and these Nazis are doing.
Speaker 3: I started that shit. That was a star and that
Speaker 3: was me. So once Hitler and Nazi Germany took over
Speaker 3: Austria where Adolph Lands was living, Hitler bans Lands's writing
Speaker 3: and adds O Star to the list of dangerous materials. Okay,
Speaker 3: So that that's kind of what you get for talking
Speaker 3: shit about the guy in charge at that time. Although
Speaker 3: to be honest, Adolph Lance kind of got shafted on
Speaker 3: that deal. But then later on in the grand scheme
Speaker 3: of things, he didn't. Dude, died in like the nineteen fifties,
Speaker 3: still as big a racist piece of shit as he
Speaker 3: was leading this Order of New Templars, this this religious
Speaker 3: cult of racial superiority, and like he didn't get brought
Speaker 3: in for Nazi war crimes. He wasn't a Nazi. He
Speaker 3: was a fucking cult leader.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can imagine. I mean, typically cult leaders tend
Speaker 2: to ascend to Christom or you know, like higher dem
Speaker 2: mentional entity, dumb whatever you want to call it. You know,
Speaker 2: it's always like the people that are saying I'm the
Speaker 2: reincarnation of so and so. It's like, oh, that's that's
Speaker 2: pretty interesting, considering you know, your power over the people,
Speaker 2: and now you're sucking your own dick, you know, like
Speaker 2: that's yeah, that's unfortunately. I hate when that shit happens. Dude.
Speaker 2: It's so annoying, Like why can't you just be a reincarnate?
Speaker 2: Like why you gotta be a reincarnation of anybody just
Speaker 2: fucking be you. Why do you need that backstory?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I agree.
Speaker 3: But then, like I said, this dude, here he so
Speaker 3: he pretty much kickstarted what became Nazi ideology and then
Speaker 3: gets off scott free. And he still just kept spitting
Speaker 3: that rhetoric and being that piece of shit until the
Speaker 3: day he died peacefully in the nineteen fifties. That's that's
Speaker 3: fucking wild to me, dude. But I mean, like I said,
Speaker 3: I guess in the end he got the last laugh.
Speaker 3: Adolf Hitler might have like screwed him in the short term,
Speaker 3: but you know who really ended on top.
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, Hitler might have thought that like, oh, this
Speaker 2: guy knows magic, he knows the occult. I might just
Speaker 2: not want to fuck with him. That could have been
Speaker 2: a thing.
Speaker 4: Hmm.
Speaker 3: Yes, and no, because later on, let's also do this
Speaker 3: while we're talking about our boy lands here, and we're
Speaker 3: going to talk about other occult influences in Hitler. In
Speaker 3: Hitler's life, but not just in his early life, but
Speaker 3: in his professional career, in his political ideologies and his
Speaker 3: economic policies.
Speaker 1: We're going to go into all of that, I promise.
Speaker 3: But another dude that needs to be mentioned is Guido
Speaker 3: von list And yes that's really his name.
Speaker 1: Guido von list.
Speaker 3: He and Lance combined their racist ideologies with Helen Blovotsky's
Speaker 3: teachings to create a hybrid called ario ariosophy, the like
Speaker 3: the theosophical facility of society that she started.
Speaker 1: It was that for just arian okay, like that, I
Speaker 1: mean again, they like they lacked.
Speaker 3: Originality in all ways, so they just took a little
Speaker 3: bit of something they liked for one person and just
Speaker 3: twisted it for their own shit and just ran with it.
Speaker 1: And the people of Germany just kind.
Speaker 3: Of did what they did because like they kind of
Speaker 3: were without home and without hope. They were in the
Speaker 3: worst depression the world had ever seen up until that point.
Speaker 3: They had lost their religion, they had lost their identity,
Speaker 3: they were humiliated. So like, you got some shit that's
Speaker 3: like one hundred percent by Germany for Germany, Like I mean, I'll.
Speaker 1: Listen what you got. You see what I'm saying. It
Speaker 1: was a weird time and people kind of clung on
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 3: The word ariosofi ariosophy excuse me, literally translates to the
Speaker 3: wisdom of the Aryans, and it blended the theosophy and
Speaker 3: the Aryan ideologies even to the Arians that Blavotsky was
Speaker 3: speaking about in her writings. Okay, they they were people
Speaker 3: of Indo Persian origin. Lavotsky talked about the Aryan race
Speaker 3: quote unquote, she's talking about what is now currently modern
Speaker 3: day Iran, Pakistan and India. But like whatever, So from that, also,
Speaker 3: that word Aryan comes from the Sanskrit word area, meaning noble,
Speaker 3: the Sanskrit word So how and why did these blue eyed,
Speaker 3: blonde haired giants become associated with that group of people
Speaker 3: that look Persian as.
Speaker 2: Fuck, definitely not tall whites.
Speaker 3: It would be because of Guido von Liszt and your
Speaker 3: boy Adolf Lands. They are literally where that idea comes from.
Speaker 2: Hmm, okay, well yeah, they definitely made it a them
Speaker 2: thing they did.
Speaker 3: This group of Aryans, by the way, is commonly understood
Speaker 3: to be the quote unquote linguistic parent to most of
Speaker 3: human civilization, or at the very least, at the very
Speaker 3: least a like linguistic hub, because that is a traveling
Speaker 3: point between Africa, between Europe, between Asia between India. It
Speaker 3: is all connected through that spot. So to say that
Speaker 3: there's like a lot of languages that could call that
Speaker 3: a certain spawn point that makes a lot of sense,
Speaker 3: the same way that we think of the Phoenician language
Speaker 3: or the Babylonian and the Cuneiform and like all these things,
Speaker 3: you could see their references back to some sort of
Speaker 3: original source.
Speaker 1: So these things kind of made sense.
Speaker 3: The neo pagan, Germanic and Bavarian groups took that and
Speaker 3: added this Aryan people also for no reason, like at all,
Speaker 3: like they had nothing to go off of, to say,
Speaker 3: the blonde hair, blue eyed thing like that was out
Speaker 3: of thin air. They didn't find some document, they didn't
Speaker 3: find some lost Nordic saga. Nowhere did that come from
Speaker 3: other than like just these dudes. It's actually pretty interesting.
Speaker 3: But the Aryan race that they idolized was then in
Speaker 3: the cultural zeitgeist. And they did this by taking the
Speaker 3: term and applying it to pretty much northern Europe instead
Speaker 3: of Indo Asia or the Indo Persian region. So, I
Speaker 3: you know, they just said yep, that's here now and
Speaker 3: ran with it and started teaching it in schools, printing
Speaker 3: a bunch of books about it.
Speaker 1: It just got talked.
Speaker 3: About enough to where people believed it to be so.
Speaker 2: So man's just there's power and belief. People don't want
Speaker 2: to people don't want to believe that, but there absolutely
Speaker 2: is power and belief. And if you get enough people
Speaker 2: believe in then on it, and get enough people practicing it,
Speaker 2: then it's kind of at least a semi real thing.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that was the whole point here.
Speaker 3: He Hitler saw all of these things as a way
Speaker 3: to control the masses that at this moment were very vulnerable.
Speaker 1: They were very.
Speaker 3: Easily moldable and easily manipulated and easily controlled if he
Speaker 3: knew what to say and how to say it right.
Speaker 1: And so when these people started looking into this.
Speaker 3: They're quote unquote noble Nordic roots, this unbroken blood lineage.
Speaker 3: The German people were like descendants of this master race
Speaker 3: and all this they kind of got into it. Bro
Speaker 3: This is when the Nordic gods made their way into
Speaker 3: the zeitgeist. The blending is where the Nazi occultism got
Speaker 3: its signature flair. The ideology is also what was used
Speaker 3: to murder millions. Okay, so they they took the imagery,
Speaker 3: they took the symbolism, they made it into their own
Speaker 3: thing and then used it to do some very horrible things. Now,
Speaker 3: some Nazis truly and I don't mean like some fringe
Speaker 3: people in their mama's basement. No, no, no, Certain prominent members
Speaker 3: of the Nazi Party truly believed that the Arians were Atlantean.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: Some believed them to be alien descendants or alien deities
Speaker 3: of some type. Some truly believed that they lived in
Speaker 3: what we now call hollow Earth.
Speaker 1: Again, we will talk more on that later, but let's.
Speaker 3: Talk a little bit about these three top dogs that
Speaker 3: were rolling in Hitler's crew. Okay, Now, these three main
Speaker 3: contributing guys that were like influencers in Hitler's ear that
Speaker 3: also were super super super believers of the occult. Okay,
Speaker 3: there's a dude named Eckhart, a dude named Fader or Fetter,
Speaker 3: and Rosenberg that's the homeboy that we mentioned earlier. Now,
Speaker 3: like I said, all three of these dudes heavy believers
Speaker 3: in the occult. Now, Godfreed Fetter was an economist who
Speaker 3: influenced in whose influence shaped Hitler's economic policies. He fully
Speaker 3: believed that the Jewish banks were destroying the earth. Okay, Now,
Speaker 3: this is a occultist who is also an economist, and
Speaker 3: he was the dude that was telling Hitler how to
Speaker 3: use more and how to reshape the economy in a
Speaker 3: socialist way through.
Speaker 1: And four occult purposes. You see what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: of course they had to have a boogeyman. They had
Speaker 1: to have a bad.
Speaker 3: Guy to point the finger at and boom Jewish bankers
Speaker 3: easy point A to point B.
Speaker 1: It's a that's a quick line.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's not one hundred percent wrong.
Speaker 3: All right, I get it. I get it that the
Speaker 3: Rothchilds are what they are. They're in the position they're in,
Speaker 3: and they've been there since before Hitler, and some would
Speaker 3: argue funded Hitler. But that's a talk for another day. Now,
Speaker 3: we had this dude named Eckert, Okay, Didrich Eckart. Now
Speaker 3: he was a playwright and a mentor to Adolf Hitler.
Speaker 3: Uh here's actually a dedication made to him at the
Speaker 3: end of mine kamff. Okay, he has called Hitler's quote
Speaker 3: unquote spiritual father.
Speaker 1: All right, let that one marinate for a minute.
Speaker 3: He actually is the one that made the introduction to
Speaker 3: yon Honsen Hanissen Holnston.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: Yon Honsen was.
Speaker 3: A clairvoyant that coach Hitler and how to give public
Speaker 3: speeches using occult practices.
Speaker 1: He was a magician who specialized in mind control for
Speaker 1: crowd domination.
Speaker 3: Now have you ever seen these pictures of Hitler like
Speaker 3: practicing these poses for giving speeches. There's like a thousand
Speaker 3: of them in sequential order of him, just like it
Speaker 3: looks like he's at a casting call.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean everybody knows like his certain stances and
Speaker 2: certain motions that he would make. It was very authoritative.
Speaker 2: But also I never knew that he was using you know,
Speaker 2: occult symbolism throughout his motions with his body. But that
Speaker 2: makes sense to me, So all right.
Speaker 1: I'll just I'll break it down real quick about those pictures.
Speaker 3: So there was like you could find like a thousand
Speaker 3: pictures of Adolph Hitler, and they're all him wearing like
Speaker 3: this black turtleneck. And I think that's where like the
Speaker 3: the Walgreens picture.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know why balloons just came up. That
Speaker 1: was weird.
Speaker 3: How like the picture of the black turtleneck in like
Speaker 3: the nineties pose that like was arguably started by this dude.
Speaker 3: But anyway, he basically went into a photo booth and
Speaker 3: was practicing different poses to see how they looked as
Speaker 3: compared to a certain point he'd be making in a speech,
Speaker 3: his handed this angle versus this angle, his face contorted
Speaker 3: in this way versus this way. And they did this
Speaker 3: for weeks and months, him and this dude yawn. They
Speaker 3: perfected all of these speeches to be like geared and
Speaker 3: engineered to get mind control out of it. Now we
Speaker 3: have talked about body sigils before. What's that one where
Speaker 3: the dude's got one hand raised and if you look
Speaker 3: at it as compared to the pentagram, it's like the
Speaker 3: earthline or some shit?
Speaker 2: Are you talking about the Vitruvian Man? Might be the
Speaker 2: famous painting by what was it by Da Vinci? The
Speaker 2: Vitruvian Man, Well.
Speaker 3: That too, Yeah, no, no, but there was We talked
Speaker 3: about this once before. Actually maybe Brandon Kroll brought this
Speaker 3: up up, where there was an image of somebody, a
Speaker 3: picture that was taken and you could look at in
Speaker 3: a cult book where you have a dude with his
Speaker 3: hand raised like this, like this, like this, like this,
Speaker 3: and then like this, and that makes the five pointed
Speaker 3: star or the sixth depending on how you do it.
Speaker 1: And all these things.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Crowley was into that shit. That's why you
Speaker 2: had that one picture like fucking whatever you do with
Speaker 2: his hands up on his face like that.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, So they're saying that even the Nazi salute
Speaker 3: was a symbol of that. That was a cult sigil
Speaker 3: magic that people just took to mean something else, but
Speaker 3: that was absolutely what it was. And then the German
Speaker 3: people were already kind of dabbling into this new neopagan
Speaker 3: way of thinking, so they were throwing that up because
Speaker 3: they thought that was like a German thing to throw
Speaker 3: that shit up, like, it was a whole mindset that
Speaker 3: took place over Germany during this time. Man and Adolph
Speaker 3: Hitler was doing it very strategically and very coached.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's pretty fucking brilliant. If it's not so evil,
Speaker 2: you gotta admit, like, that's that to be implementing sigils
Speaker 2: while you're talking, dude, that is next level shit right there.
Speaker 3: It really is, it really is. And then we watch
Speaker 3: him these black and white videos of him like doing
Speaker 3: these crazy gestures the whole time he's talking and like
Speaker 3: all this shit. Then you look at how that lines
Speaker 3: up to occult sigils, real things, not just his hand movements,
Speaker 3: even the way his face was, how one eye was
Speaker 3: more squinted than the other.
Speaker 1: There's a whole breakdown that has been done.
Speaker 3: Every speech start to finish was like choreographed, and he
Speaker 3: had perfected it that well to where it could be
Speaker 3: clocked like that.
Speaker 1: It's wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could definitely tell that Hitler would be one
Speaker 2: of those guys that was paying attention to uh choreography
Speaker 2: in detail.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the failed art student brother. I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you expect?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's he was a He was a
Speaker 2: colorful kind of guy. Yeah, to say the.
Speaker 3: Plamboyants say, at least now we talk about our boy
Speaker 3: Alfred Rosenberg. Believe that was the guy that I said
Speaker 3: earlier that occultism literally helped unify Germany. He was a
Speaker 3: principal ideologist of the Nazi party. He's the dude, like
Speaker 3: I said from that quote earlier, he is a He's
Speaker 3: the one that also this a new religion. Was a
Speaker 3: prolific writer, and his book was the second best seller
Speaker 3: in Germany, second only to Mime Kamf. Now that's what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. He was all about the propaganda and getting
Speaker 3: the word out. He wrote books after books after books
Speaker 3: to back the claims and verify the claims, and get
Speaker 3: the literature out for the kids to read in school,
Speaker 3: all of these things to get the narrative going that
Speaker 3: this is the truth, this is the way. Now, with
Speaker 3: all that mind, we've talked about the Thule Society a
Speaker 3: time or two, or tools Society. I'm not sure which
Speaker 3: way is the correct way to pronounce it, but you know,
Speaker 3: as we're talking about all of this, I think now
Speaker 3: is a good time to bring it because Rosenberg was
Speaker 3: also a part of this. As we see right here,
Speaker 3: this Godfrey Fetter, this is the Alfred Rosenberg, Is that
Speaker 3: Dietrich Eckhart. Okay, all of them were a member of
Speaker 3: this society as well. So let's read a quick little
Speaker 3: thing about off of wiki about this. Keep in mind,
Speaker 3: this group started pretty much as soon as World War
Speaker 3: One ended, and I don't think that was a coincidence either.
Speaker 1: So let's go ahead and read a little bit.
Speaker 2: The Thule Society, originally the Something in German which meant
Speaker 2: studied group for Germanic Antiquity, was a German occultist and
Speaker 2: volcish group founded in Munich shortly after World War One,
Speaker 2: named after a mythical northern country. In Greek legend, the
Speaker 2: society is notable chiefly as the organization that sponsored the
Speaker 2: German Workers Party or the DAP, which was later reorganized
Speaker 2: by Adolf Hitler into the National Socialist German Workers Party
Speaker 2: or the NSDAP.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, so we're gonna get into the rest
Speaker 3: the whole storyline of how the Nazis became the Nazis.
Speaker 3: But for now, the Thulay Society pretty much started, like
Speaker 3: we said, as soon as World War One ended. Now
Speaker 3: we could talk about, you know, the origins of and
Speaker 3: all that the study group, but let's look a little
Speaker 3: bit into their beliefs, just as a quick little read through.
Speaker 2: A primary focus of the Thulae Society was a claim
Speaker 2: concerning the origins of the Aryan race. In nineteen seventeen,
Speaker 2: people who wanted to join the Germanic Order, out of
Speaker 2: which the Thulay Society developed in nineteen eighteen had to
Speaker 2: sign a special quote unquote blood declaration of faith concerning
Speaker 2: their lineage, which said, the signer hereby swears, to the
Speaker 2: best of his knowledge and belief, that no Jewish or
Speaker 2: colored blood flows in either his or in his wife's veins.
Speaker 2: And that among their ancestors are no members of the
Speaker 2: colored races. So then it gets into the Thulay was
Speaker 2: a land located by Greco Roman geographers in the farthest north,
Speaker 2: often displayed as Ice. The Latin term Altima Thulay is
Speaker 2: also mentioned by Roman poet Virgil in his pastoral poeman
Speaker 2: poems called the the Georgic Georgics Georgia Georgics Okay. Thulay
Speaker 2: originally was probably the name for Scandinavia, although Virgil simply
Speaker 2: uses it as a proverbial expression for the edge of
Speaker 2: the known world, and his mention should not be taken
Speaker 2: as a substantial reference to Scandinavia. The Thulay Society identified
Speaker 2: Altima Thulea as a lost ancient land mass in the
Speaker 2: extreme north, near Greenland or Iceland, said by naziistics to
Speaker 2: be the capital of ancient Hyperborea.
Speaker 3: Now with that in mind, we did just talk about
Speaker 3: dogger Land being this lost land mass in the north
Speaker 3: of Europe. Maybe that's where they were getting this from
Speaker 3: lost legends of that. But again we didn't quote unquote
Speaker 3: know about that until five years ago, two years ago,
Speaker 3: something like that, So who's to really say. But as
Speaker 3: far as where the legends and the lore of where
Speaker 3: Thule in the Greek time frame came from. It may
Speaker 3: have been referring to that land. It may also have
Speaker 3: been referring to Iceland. Who knows, right, But like we said,
Speaker 3: that is what they believed, okay, and they were adamantly, religiously,
Speaker 3: militantly believers of this. Now it became known as the
Speaker 3: ultimate Nazi think tank slash academic society to propose and
Speaker 3: theorize about Germany's alleged ancient past.
Speaker 1: You remember we had the Atlantis House.
Speaker 2: Video, the Atlantis House video. Yeah, refresh me.
Speaker 3: You know what, why don't we just go ahead and
Speaker 3: replay it at this time? This is the Smithsonian Channel.
Speaker 3: It's a quick little video about the Atlantis House that
Speaker 3: was actually built in Bremen, Germany, as a place of
Speaker 3: meeting and worship and occult practices for this society.
Speaker 6: Part of Bremen in northern Germany stands an extraordinary building.
Speaker 6: Completed in nineteen thirty one, House Atlantis was designed as
Speaker 6: an institute for the study of Atlantis and the Aryan
Speaker 6: super race. The building's facade was originally adorned by a
Speaker 6: large wooden sculpture depicting the Nordic god Odin crucified on
Speaker 6: the tree of Life. Inside House Atlantis an astonishing stairwell
Speaker 6: built of glass and steel. It may evoke the Aryan
Speaker 6: exodus from Atlantis. At the top, the visitor enters a
Speaker 6: mysterious room known as the Heavens Hall. This was to
Speaker 6: be the teaching forum for the twisted ideologies of Herman Worth.
Speaker 7: Helen was quite fascinated by the idea of finding Atlantis.
Speaker 7: His idea was that this Atlantis was not somewhere in
Speaker 7: the Mediterranean or something like that, but in the North
Speaker 7: Atlantic region, and in his idea, in Atlantis twenty to
Speaker 7: twenty five thousand years ago, a Nordic race was created
Speaker 7: that was to control and influence the development of mankind
Speaker 7: to a strong degree.
Speaker 1: Now we don't need to play the whole video.
Speaker 3: They go into an interpretation of how the place was
Speaker 3: used once upon a time.
Speaker 1: But yes, this house, the Atlanta's house.
Speaker 3: This was started as a part of the Thula society
Speaker 3: to find Atlantis as a lineage route to their ancient
Speaker 3: arian past. Allegedly right or what they believe truly to be.
Speaker 3: Not allegedly, they believe that shit. So like I said,
Speaker 3: some believed it to be a place like this, some
Speaker 3: believed it to be Antarctica. Some believed it to be
Speaker 3: within the earth like we said, hollow earth theory. Some
Speaker 3: of them believed it to be an ice world type theory.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna be honest with you, I had never
Speaker 3: heard about this, So you know what, I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: ahead and play this video now, Okay, Now this is
Speaker 3: from Extra History.
Speaker 1: I love this channel. I give them all the shouts
Speaker 1: out that I.
Speaker 3: Can, and I'm just gonna go ahead and let them
Speaker 3: talk a little bit about the Thulee society's beliefs and
Speaker 3: all of these things.
Speaker 1: Let's listen in at this time, Hike.
Speaker 8: When Germany was forming as a country, the later nineteenth
Speaker 8: century was a rough time for establishments religion. Attendance at
Speaker 8: mainline churches and synagogues declined in the face of capitalism,
Speaker 8: social change, and advancing technology. Yet, despite this disillusionment with
Speaker 8: organized religion, the yearning for spiritual fulfillment and social connection continued.
Speaker 8: Across Europe and North America. People began gravitating towards so
Speaker 8: herek new religions like spiritualism, forms of paganism, theosophy, or
Speaker 8: Eastern traditions like Buddhism, joining movements that promised a spiritual
Speaker 8: truth outside traditional channels. Technology both drove and underpinned this
Speaker 8: questing as inventions such as the telephone, the airplane, and
Speaker 8: vaccines hinted at a future where people achieved the previously impossible. Simultaneously,
Speaker 8: geologists and archaeologists made discoveries about the deep past that
Speaker 8: not only proved the Earth was vastly older than believed,
Speaker 8: but uncovered civilizations previously only mentioned in ancient stories. The
Speaker 8: whole concept of prehistory was founded with the understanding that
Speaker 8: primordial humans had lived in caves, hunted, and competed with
Speaker 8: other forms of ancient man, like Neanderthals. So in this environment,
Speaker 8: it's understandable that across the world, it appeared possible that
Speaker 8: an incredible ancient discovery such as Atlantis might occur, or
Speaker 8: that technology would one day prove a fringe belief like
Speaker 8: clairvoyance to be measurable and true. Simultaneously, early genetics research
Speaker 8: and misapplication of Darwin's theories spawned a highly destructive eugenics
Speaker 8: movement in several nations, including the United States, and these
Speaker 8: forces were also acting on Germany, though taking on a
Speaker 8: slightly different character because the country had only recently unified
Speaker 8: and was in the process of forming its national identity.
Speaker 8: During this era, while seeking to create a culture that
Speaker 8: was quintessentially German, writers, artists and intellectuals turned to folk
Speaker 8: tales such as that of the mythic hero Sigrid, Legends
Speaker 8: of Charlemagne, or tales of monstrous creatures. The poems of
Speaker 8: Guta full of Fairies, vampires and the Devil were adopted
Speaker 8: as part of the national canon, and Vagna's Ring cycle
Speaker 8: reignited interest in old stories of dwarfs and dragons. Protagonists
Speaker 8: were mythic supermen and pure hearted women who defeated demons
Speaker 8: and monsters, as well as scheming medieval caricatures of Jewish people.
Speaker 8: After all, repression of Jewish communities was nothing new in
Speaker 8: the lands now called Germany. Some retellings even cast supernatural
Speaker 8: creature like werewolves and witches as heroic figures defending German soil,
Speaker 8: which later led multiple Nazi units to adopt the nickname werewolves.
Speaker 8: This attempted cultural fusion of Christianity with pagan traditions was
Speaker 8: a massive success, but also baked the supernatural and anti
Speaker 8: Semitism into German culture. Meanwhile, German school curriculums attempted to
Speaker 8: instill a sense of epic history into students, telling the
Speaker 8: great tales of the German race in ages past. At
Speaker 8: the same time, a popular movement known as Folkish nationalism
Speaker 8: started to spread, which imagine a kind of ideal German
Speaker 8: as a racially pure peasant who had spiritual connections to
Speaker 8: the land. Esoteric writers began to speculate that blood had
Speaker 8: magic qualities, and that pure blooded Arians would have spiritual
Speaker 8: and psychic powers should they not dilute their blood by
Speaker 8: marrying outside their ethnicity. Paradoxically, these movements were also fascinated
Speaker 8: with Eastern mysticism and plundered Buddhism and Hinduism for ideas
Speaker 8: while claiming mutual descent. Soon, Folkish secret societies based on
Speaker 8: the Freemasons were springing up around Germany, including one breakaway
Speaker 8: founded in the wake of World War One, the Thule Society,
Speaker 8: which played a small role in what would become Nazism.
Speaker 8: Named after Thule, a far northern island mentioned in an
Speaker 8: ancient Greek account, the Thulers were an odd bunch. Membership
Speaker 8: required genealogical proof that applicants had no Jewish ancestors, which
Speaker 8: gained them admittance to what was essentially a discussion group
Speaker 8: on racial nationalism and right wing politics, and its founder,
Speaker 8: the occultist astrologer and one time Muslim convert Rudolf von Zebotandoff,
Speaker 8: borrowed a symbol from Eastern religion for his new group,
Speaker 8: the swastika. One popular idea within the society was that
Speaker 8: of World ice theory, a pseudoscientific theory that the universe
Speaker 8: had been created by massive collisions between cosmic bodies of
Speaker 8: fire and ice, and bombardments by ice moons had shaped
Speaker 8: Earth's history. According to this belief, ancient humans had not
Speaker 8: only arrived on Earth via one of these comets, but
Speaker 8: these ancient arians had spread out in a mythic Golden
Speaker 8: Age of civilization before Thule was again destroyed by an
Speaker 8: ice moon, handily explaining why the supposed Germanic master race
Speaker 8: were living in caves and mud huts while the Mesopotamians
Speaker 8: developed writing and the Romans built an empire. Soon, they claimed,
Speaker 8: archaeologists would look closer at major archaeological sites around the
Speaker 8: world and find traces of ancient arians in places as
Speaker 8: far as Egypt, Babylon, and the Incan ruins of Tiowanaka.
Speaker 8: These ideas dovetailed well with ideas already expressed by the
Speaker 8: German Russian theosophist Madame Blovlatsky, who'd proposed a similar idea
Speaker 8: to explain why Germans were in fact the descendants of Atlantis.
Speaker 8: A further offshoot of theosophy, Ariosophy, which focused on mysticism
Speaker 8: involving arians and would influence Nazi radical thought, was patronized
Speaker 8: by Thule. But the Thule Society was not just a
Speaker 8: band of eclectic weirdos. They were also active on the
Speaker 8: German far right. In nineteen nineteen, when left wing socialists
Speaker 8: took over Munich and declared a republic, the Thule Society
Speaker 8: plotted to kidnap the leader of the new republic and
Speaker 8: sent agents to infiltrate the military. The socialists got wise
Speaker 8: and raided Thul offices, executing several Thulers and prompting the
Speaker 8: group to help whip up the right wing militias that
Speaker 8: retook the city. Yet, the Thule Society was not viable
Speaker 8: as a political party, especially after its antics in Munich
Speaker 8: had made it open to public scrutiny. It was to
Speaker 8: elitist to aristocratic, so it branched out, with several ex
Speaker 8: members founding the German Workers Party or DAP, an extreme
Speaker 8: right political organization consisting of disaffected World War I veterans
Speaker 8: with ethnic nationalist beliefs, deep rooted anti semitism, and a
Speaker 8: working class background. Its founder was, of course, a semi
Speaker 8: professional astrologer. Later, the Thule Society would purchase a newspaper
Speaker 8: for the party's use and bankroll its publication. Still, it
Speaker 8: was a small, obscure, badly run party, and it might
Speaker 8: have stayed that way except that in nineteen nineteen and
Speaker 8: enlisted soldiers showed up at one of its meetings. The
Speaker 8: soldier was a decorated veteran retained as a liaison with
Speaker 8: civilian organizations who was occasionally sent to political meetings to
Speaker 8: see if they were secretly communists. His name was Adolf Hitler,
Speaker 8: a committed atheist, and he thought that this ridiculous German
Speaker 8: Workers Party could be so much more.
Speaker 3: Okay, now with that in mind, let me ask you this, Jonathan,
Speaker 3: are you starting to see how the German people just
Speaker 3: kind of latched on to it, and how they didn't
Speaker 3: necessarily they didn't take it to be just a metaphorical thing.
Speaker 3: They were kind of looking for something to belong to
Speaker 3: and in a weird way. This although it sounds outlandish
Speaker 3: to us at this time from this vantage point, but
Speaker 3: to a German person who was dealing with the worst
Speaker 3: depression that the earth had seen up until that point,
Speaker 3: because not only were they destroyed by the war, they
Speaker 3: were bankrupt as a country. They owed, like every fucking
Speaker 3: country unpayable war debts, like even like beyond the scope
Speaker 3: of something that they would still be paying that to
Speaker 3: this day from World War One if they were to
Speaker 3: try to make those payments and stuff. And then you're
Speaker 3: trying to make those payments with an industry that no
Speaker 3: longer exists because your country's been bombed a fuck. So
Speaker 3: it was like from the mud, pay us all our
Speaker 3: money kind of thing. So they were just over it
Speaker 3: as far as everything was concerned. So they didn't believe
Speaker 3: these things to be metaphorical. They were teaching it to
Speaker 3: school children and they preached it to the German people
Speaker 3: as literal doctrine.
Speaker 1: The German people ate it up and Hitler loved it.
Speaker 1: What was your thoughts at this moment?
Speaker 2: Well, I think that you know, it's like you know,
Speaker 2: the the part in Men in Black where you always
Speaker 2: reference it's like a group of people, like the mass
Speaker 2: of people as are not smart the singular person is,
Speaker 2: but the mass of people whenever you you know, an
Speaker 2: ideology is a lot like a poison. You know, if
Speaker 2: you poison even a little drop of poison those parts
Speaker 2: per million, per per whatever's in the well, it's like
Speaker 2: it's still going to infect that. And I think that
Speaker 2: if you get enough people in in a big enough
Speaker 2: group of people to really start believing in this kind
Speaker 2: of stuff, then yeah, it's going to poison the rest
Speaker 2: of the well. And it's you know, like they say,
Speaker 2: like one bad apple can really rot the whole tree.
Speaker 1: Absolutely agree. I absolutely agree.
Speaker 2: But and to be fair, I mean, if you really
Speaker 2: think about it, most countries were founded upon some kind
Speaker 2: of spiritual or religious you know, ideology. And I think
Speaker 2: that you know, whenever you start really kind of digging
Speaker 2: into that, it's it is a form of control. Like
Speaker 2: whether it's good control, bad control, if it's okay kind
Speaker 2: of control, whatever, it is still a way to you know,
Speaker 2: to kind of implement some of your whatever you want
Speaker 2: your country to run. As like all right. Well, we're
Speaker 2: we are brought up upon upon these traditions, and this
Speaker 2: is the way that we believe. It's the American way,
Speaker 2: it's the German way, it's the Chinese way, whatever, right.
Speaker 3: Right, But that was the thing, right, So, China has
Speaker 3: like at least two, if not three thousand years of
Speaker 3: history to that area, right. The German people at this time,
Speaker 3: they needed something to tie them to that area, the fatherland.
Speaker 3: Bro They felt that in their blood, they felt a
Speaker 3: true blood connection to the soil itself, and there was
Speaker 3: a whole real cultural feeling that was there. And again
Speaker 3: not by a one hundred percent of the German people.
Speaker 3: But you don't need one hundred percent for control. As
Speaker 3: a matter of fact, most pteticians say that you need
Speaker 3: ten percent to enact control.
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, just look at it in a smaller
Speaker 2: scale kind of thing. All right. So I'm a huge
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers fan by the way, Like if you don't
Speaker 2: know that, but how do they get all of the
Speaker 2: people of Pittsburgh in that area of Pennsylvania to pay
Speaker 2: for renovations to the stadium, Well, you make them Steelers
Speaker 2: fans and you promote a lot of positive Steelers propaganda
Speaker 2: that way, whenever it's coming out of your fucking check
Speaker 2: every week, or whenever you're getting paid and you getting
Speaker 2: taxed on all this kind of crazy shit, It's like, well,
Speaker 2: at least it's going to something I love, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. And that's a small scale kind of example,
Speaker 2: but you know what I mean, No.
Speaker 1: I do one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: And so that was the thing, right, he had to
Speaker 3: get these people motivated, He had to get them on
Speaker 3: the same side.
Speaker 1: And he didn't have to get the whole country. He
Speaker 1: just had to get enough. Right.
Speaker 3: So Hitler comes into this DAP and he gives this
Speaker 3: speech September twelfth, nineteen nineteen, Just like the video said,
Speaker 3: Adolf Hitler gives a speech to this DAP group, the
Speaker 3: German Workers Party later becoming the National Socialist Workers Party
Speaker 3: or what we would now call NOTTS for short. The
Speaker 3: speech moves the crowd and Adolph basically takes over the organization.
Speaker 1: Now, at this time, Hitler is.
Speaker 3: A complete believer in all of the occult ideologies, and
Speaker 3: he has been radicalized by those three dudes I mentioned earlier.
Speaker 1: Side note, there's also the rial society.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go ahead and share the screen right now,
Speaker 3: because if we're gonna mention Nazi occultism, we must in
Speaker 3: fact mention all of it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: If you're a listener to the Cult of Conspiracy, you
Speaker 3: may have heard the episode that I did on the
Speaker 3: Nation of Islam and the Nuabian Nation of More's. We
Speaker 3: did an episode on that a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 3: or months ago, shit, I don't even know anymore, and
Speaker 3: we talked about Vril. Now, it's interesting that these groups
Speaker 3: took that word and applied it to some sort of
Speaker 3: African blood lineage thing, because the real Society was started
Speaker 3: in Germany as a way to promote racial purity. It's
Speaker 3: from this book. It's from eighteen seventy one. It's called
Speaker 3: The Power of the Coming Race. It's written by Edward
Speaker 3: boulwar Leeton. And basically, the Virial Society came in and
Speaker 3: took this to be an ideological thing in and of itself.
Speaker 3: You know, we might as well just read a couple
Speaker 3: of the members of the Vial Society.
Speaker 1: Willie Lay, who was a German rocket engineer.
Speaker 3: He immigrated to the United States in nineteen thirty seven,
Speaker 3: and in nineteen forty seven he published an article titled
Speaker 3: pseudoscience in Naziland, we got Jacques or Jacques Bergier and
Speaker 3: Louis Powells. The existence of the Vial Society was alleged
Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty by Jacques Bergier and Louise or Louis
Speaker 3: Powells in their book The Morning of Magicians. They claimed
Speaker 3: that the Royal Society was a secret community of occultist
Speaker 3: in pre Nazi Berlin that was a sort of inner
Speaker 3: circle of the Thulee Society. They also thought that it
Speaker 3: was in close contact with the English group known as
Speaker 3: the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, which we've talked
Speaker 3: about that before. Alistair Crowley was a member of that
Speaker 3: as well as uh Helena Blovotsky, at least for a time.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Like I said, there's not a whole chain of events here,
Speaker 3: but some of the rhetoric from this book was used
Speaker 3: in Nazi propaganda, so it is at least worth the mention.
Speaker 3: Like I said, it does not get nearly the shouts
Speaker 3: out that the Thule Society got because it was never
Speaker 3: as big. But like we just read, some people believe
Speaker 3: that this was an inner circle within the inner circle
Speaker 3: of the Thule.
Speaker 2: So that's that's what I've learned throughout the years too,
Speaker 2: it is kind of hard to really look for anything
Speaker 2: on the real society because it was extra secretive. Like
Speaker 2: you said, it was probably a secret society inside of
Speaker 2: a secret society. But the stuff that I have found
Speaker 2: is that a lot of people link like shape shifters
Speaker 2: and fucking reptilians to the VRU.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's all I'm saying. So, I mean, is
Speaker 1: there a thing here possibly, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's just weird, dude, That's really what it is. It's
Speaker 2: just a bunch of fucking weird freaks.
Speaker 3: I mean, and when you look at it, dude, and
Speaker 3: I don't want to undercut, but I mean, at the
Speaker 3: same time, fuck them because they're you know, Nazis.
Speaker 1: But like the Thule Society, while or Tool Society, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I've heard it said both ways. That's why I keep
Speaker 2: on saying Thula because that's the way I always learned
Speaker 2: how to say it. But he was saying it Thule Society,
Speaker 2: which I'm tomate it Tomato. Who knows.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's the correct correct German pronunciation.
Speaker 3: If that's just because the person who taught me was
Speaker 3: American didn't know any better themselves. But then it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: they're Nazis, Fuck them, call them away for the hell
Speaker 3: I want, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So all of that to say, now, the Thule Society.
Speaker 3: Gets all of the the propaganda and all of the attention.
Speaker 1: If you really look at it, dude, it was.
Speaker 3: A bunch of pompous German LARPers who like, we get
Speaker 3: together and smoke cigars and talk about or maybe not cigar,
Speaker 3: no cigarettes most of the more than likely, but they
Speaker 3: would talk about just theories of where Germans may have
Speaker 3: come from for hours and hours and hours and hours
Speaker 3: and just.
Speaker 1: It was like a boys club.
Speaker 3: It was a who's who of the Nazi elites at
Speaker 3: a certain point, you know what I mean. So to
Speaker 3: say that the Royal Society was something within that even
Speaker 3: like sure, why not? Now, how did Hitler get the
Speaker 3: entire country to buy in? Well, like I said, Christianity
Speaker 3: was kind of on the outweigh, you know it, It
Speaker 3: was on the way out as far as Germany was concerned.
Speaker 3: And he actually used it against or as the antithesis
Speaker 3: of the Nazi ideology. Okay, keep in mind it was
Speaker 3: very anti Arian belief, bro. They worshiped a Jewish dude.
Speaker 3: They they preached like unity and how everybody was equal
Speaker 3: and shit. And then of course for the still Christians
Speaker 3: out there that were like on the fence about it,
Speaker 3: let's not forget who killed Jesus though, right, So, like,
Speaker 3: clearly this whole the Christian jam wasn't the jam, and
Speaker 3: so therefore it wasn't the Nazi jam. And as a
Speaker 3: matter of fact, it in its own way got outlawed.
Speaker 3: All religion got outlawed except for the true German truth,
Speaker 3: the German cultural way that they had now adopted as
Speaker 3: their societal cultural norm.
Speaker 1: It it was pretty wild, dude.
Speaker 3: The German people, like we said, were already pretty disillusioned
Speaker 3: with the Church, with the government, with how far they
Speaker 3: had fallen, and they needed a messiah. They needed a
Speaker 3: bad guy to blame as well. And then incomes Adolf
Speaker 3: saying all the right things, questioning the establishment and stealing
Speaker 3: pride in the quote unquote true German ways, getting all
Speaker 3: the people out of their slump, and on top of that,
Speaker 3: providing the people with a common enemy to hate as well. Like,
Speaker 3: not only did he come in saying all the right things,
Speaker 3: he gave him a bad guy to beat the shit
Speaker 3: out of. It seemed like he was just a win
Speaker 3: went across the board as far as the Germans were concerned,
Speaker 3: well at least the White Germans. The Jewish Germans are
Speaker 3: kind of fucked on that one.
Speaker 2: Well, you always need a bad guy, like always, you
Speaker 2: can't not have a bad guy every religion. Well not
Speaker 2: every religion has a bad guy.
Speaker 3: I don't think, huh, there has to be a boogeyman
Speaker 3: every politicians. Yeah, right right, every movement, every movement has
Speaker 3: to have a bad guy.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, I mean some people are motivated by fear,
Speaker 2: and some people are motivated not by fear. But in
Speaker 2: order to include everybody, you need the ones that are
Speaker 2: motivated by fear.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, And so everything changed in the country. Kids
Speaker 3: like that we just learned were in school. They were
Speaker 3: taught Nordic legends and they were actually taught to pray
Speaker 3: to the furor, like legitimately to the furor. Christmas was
Speaker 3: replaced by the winter solstice celebrations, May Day, summer Solstice,
Speaker 3: the equinox is all brought back from their Christian appropriations,
Speaker 3: and they're they were washed over with Nazi propaganda, like
Speaker 3: they still celebrated around the same times and in a
Speaker 3: lot of ways, in the same ways. They were just Nazified,
Speaker 3: not even pagafied, like paganified or anything like that. It
Speaker 3: was more just like Nazi paganified.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not surprised by that. That's most most
Speaker 2: religions steal from other religions traditions, so that's that's not
Speaker 2: too crazy.
Speaker 3: At this time, we're actually gonna play this video from
Speaker 3: Camp Gagnon. I love this dude, shouts out to him.
Speaker 3: I would love to get him as a guest on
Speaker 3: our show or be a guest on his show. Fucking
Speaker 3: love this guy. But uh, let's hear what he has
Speaker 3: to say about this very topic.
Speaker 9: So basically what they started doing is they started manipulating
Speaker 9: the nature of religion in the country with these Nazi ideals.
Speaker 9: So like even at school, children were taught to pray
Speaker 9: to not God, but the fewer literally fear my fe're
Speaker 9: a leader, the Hitler basically, and rather than obviously they're
Speaker 9: the heavenly Father. Christians also celebrate, uh, you know, Christmas
Speaker 9: and Easter, and they kind of washed these things away
Speaker 9: and took away the religious elements of the holidays and
Speaker 9: actually just imbuted it with as like a little gift
Speaker 9: giving holiday, and they actually brought back the winter solstice
Speaker 9: and the Christmas tree was adorned with swastikas, and it
Speaker 9: became sort of a time of just kind of giving
Speaker 9: militaristic gifts in Nazi propaganda. And you know, all of
Speaker 9: these ideas like the summer Solstice and sort of these
Speaker 9: pagan festivals were all brought back, which is kind of
Speaker 9: funny because I'm pretty sure a lot of Christian festivals
Speaker 9: were built on pagan festivals. And then he brought it
Speaker 9: back to pagan festivals again, going back to this idea
Speaker 9: that Christianity was suppressing the people and that he needed
Speaker 9: to revive the true ideals.
Speaker 10: Of what you know, the religion of the Arians was.
Speaker 9: And so, like I said, they did these winter and
Speaker 9: summer solstices, and there were these big festivals that were
Speaker 9: seen across the country and were a big part of
Speaker 9: these these German holidays. So like the winter solstices even
Speaker 9: for example, they had these bonfires and torchlight processions, and
Speaker 9: in the summer Soltice they had you know, it was
Speaker 9: again a day to sort of honor then and so
Speaker 9: you even see like a lot of symbolism within the
Speaker 9: Nazi Party, like the Black Sun. They had these occult
Speaker 9: symbols that were tied in with the party at large.
Speaker 9: So this is where it gets interesting. Hitler has basically
Speaker 9: taken over all of Germany. The Nazi Party is extremely successful.
Speaker 9: They are controlling this massive country and they have these
Speaker 9: desires to spread east and so shortly after Germany invades
Speaker 9: Poland in nineteen thirty nine, there's a woman named Magda Goebels.
Speaker 9: You probably know her last name because she is the
Speaker 9: wife of the Minister of Propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, And basically
Speaker 9: she stumbles upon a passage in Nostra Damas's book, and
Speaker 9: basically Nostra Damis was a French occult figure that was
Speaker 9: able to see the future, and he was able to
Speaker 9: make these divine proclamations and had a bunch of historically
Speaker 9: a ton of different prophecies that have come true. And
Speaker 9: people at the time, specifically in Germany, were aware of
Speaker 9: him and they had read his different quatrains, and one
Speaker 9: of the quatrains they believed predicted the crisis that developed
Speaker 9: in England and Poland in nineteen thirty nine. After bringing
Speaker 9: the passage to her husband's attention, Goebbels ordered the creation
Speaker 9: and the distribution of the brochure, and it would convince
Speaker 9: all those living not only in Germany and in Austria,
Speaker 9: but all over Europe that a Nazi victory was inevitable.
Speaker 10: Nostra Damis said it was so, I mean, it's duh right.
Speaker 9: The Allies saw this and they were like, oh wow,
Speaker 9: these people have kind of lost their religion.
Speaker 10: They're sort of tied up with these occult ideas.
Speaker 9: They believe that this guy is an actual prophet, and
Speaker 9: they were afraid it was going to you know, stoke
Speaker 9: morale within Germany. So they said, you know what, We're
Speaker 9: going to retaliate with our own psychological warfare, and they
Speaker 9: dropped large quantities of flyers over German occupied territories claiming
Speaker 9: that no Stra Damis had actually seen Germany's defeat. They
Speaker 9: had made fake No stre Damis quad trains, and not
Speaker 9: only in an attempt to you know, defeat the Germans,
Speaker 9: but also boost the morale of maybe Allies that had
Speaker 9: read these pamphlets or come across them. So they were
Speaker 9: basically doing the same thing. It's crazy and in an
Speaker 9: attempt to boost American morale. MGM actually produced a series
Speaker 9: of short films about the famous soothsayer and again sort
Speaker 9: of promoting this idea that these occult figures were working
Speaker 9: on both sides of the war. So again this is
Speaker 9: just another illustration of how sort of the mystical realm
Speaker 9: of you know, untapped knowledge is actually very much alive
Speaker 9: within the hearts of German people, and when they're told
Speaker 9: about these ideas, they kind of grab onto them. Now,
Speaker 9: I would say the most prominent figure of all German
Speaker 9: occultism is actually not Hitler. And we're going to talk
Speaker 9: about this in a little bit, but Hitler, like I said,
Speaker 9: growing up, he's reading about all these things, and he's
Speaker 9: reading Osteria and these magazines that have, you know, these
Speaker 9: sort of racist, occult sort of ideas. But as he
Speaker 9: slowly progresses through the war, he gets less interested in
Speaker 9: the occult. But the same cannot be said for Heinrich Himmler.
Speaker 9: This guy's just gone back. Okay, Like this guy is
Speaker 9: the worst. He's the leader of the SS, which you know,
Speaker 9: obviously is a pairamilitary organization within the Nazi Party, and
Speaker 9: this guy is just he's a scumbag. But he's using
Speaker 9: a ton of different occult symbols all throughout the German propaganda,
Speaker 9: and he's given them to Goebels and it's completely entwined
Speaker 9: with so much of the Nazi look and appearance at
Speaker 9: the time. Black uniforms he believed had a specific meaning.
Speaker 9: He wanted to channel authority and fear the mysterious nature
Speaker 9: of the SS's mission. I mean, the toten kov for
Speaker 9: the death head. I mean, this is pretty obvious. I
Speaker 9: mean this is just a skull and crossbones, and this
Speaker 9: was a symbol warn of the uniforms in the caps
Speaker 9: of the SS, and there was no real good way
Speaker 9: to interpret skull and crossbones. I mean it's a pretty
Speaker 9: terrifying image. But he's intentional about this. Again, this is
Speaker 9: not by mistake. This is used by him, and a
Speaker 9: lot of these symbols are ancient, ancient Norse ruins and
Speaker 9: you know, different ancient Germanic symbols that he's tying in
Speaker 9: basically perpetuing this idea that hey, we are the ones
Speaker 9: that are going.
Speaker 10: To carry on this aryan ideology.
Speaker 9: So even the actual logo of the SS, you know,
Speaker 9: they get these giant lightning bolts, these come directly from
Speaker 9: Norse mythology, and he believed in these ancient traditions and
Speaker 9: that he wanted to symbolically, you know, embody the spirit
Speaker 9: of the Aryan race. And so again he's inspired by
Speaker 9: these Teutonic Knights, and the Teutonics are similar to the
Speaker 9: Knights Templar that we had mentioned before. They're just a
Speaker 9: you know, a series of crusaders that defended their heritage.
Speaker 10: That's the way he saw it at least.
Speaker 9: And these Knights saw themselves on a mission to spread
Speaker 9: Christianity by you know, sword, and Himmler basically was like, hey,
Speaker 9: we're going to twist these ideas to make us appear
Speaker 9: as some ancient tradition. And so they use these symbols
Speaker 9: to basically tie in with their racist organizations to perpetuate
Speaker 9: the idea that they're actually bigger than the ideology, that
Speaker 9: they're ancient, and that this Aryan philosophy is actually you know, true,
Speaker 9: and it's who the Germans actually are.
Speaker 3: I mean, Okay, So all of that being said, right,
Speaker 3: keep in mind the Teutonic Knights that they were referencing,
Speaker 3: they were a devout Catholics. They were seen alongside the
Speaker 3: Knights Templars and the Knights Hospitallers and the Knights of
Speaker 3: Lazarus and all these other like completely blessed by the
Speaker 3: Pope's chivalric orders. And their crusade was mostly fought against
Speaker 3: the Pagans in the north of Europe. So just so
Speaker 3: we're clear about the irony of that Himmler's group, and
Speaker 3: therefore also your boy lands that new Order of Templars
Speaker 3: or whatever, he drew from Teutonic sources as well. So
Speaker 3: they were both quoting a group that was defending Jerusalem
Speaker 3: from Muslims for Jews, and somehow from that and then
Speaker 3: even further the Teutonic Order. I don't even think they
Speaker 3: made it to Jerusalem, or if they did, it was
Speaker 3: a small contingent. Their crusade was like predominantly, if not strictly,
Speaker 3: the north of Europe to the pagan tribes of the
Speaker 3: Celts and the Gaul and the Druids. So all right, word,
Speaker 3: it makes no sense to me, dude, But like I
Speaker 3: said it, they just ran with it, bro. They they
Speaker 3: didn't care. They just it didn't matter to the German people.
Speaker 3: It's somehow connected and made sense to them at that time.
Speaker 1: Bro, What are your thoughts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, if you're trying to implement a
Speaker 2: new spiritual tradition by copying other religious things and making
Speaker 2: it your own and then going and conquering everybody else,
Speaker 2: it's pretty fucking stupid. But hey, if it works, it works,
Speaker 2: I suppose.
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, it definitely worked, at least for the
Speaker 3: intents and purposes that they were trying to use it for.
Speaker 1: I mean, the.
Speaker 3: People latched on. The people really latched on, and it
Speaker 3: was enough for them. They they were searching for literally anything,
Speaker 3: and then they found it. All of that being said,
Speaker 3: we talked about their pure blood. That was a whole thing.
Speaker 3: They had a blood tied to the land. Their affinity
Speaker 3: with blood is extremely occult, dude, I mean baked into
Speaker 3: the Nazi ideology, not just their symbol, right, yes, red
Speaker 3: being a color of their flag. But have you ever
Speaker 3: heard of the blute flag or the blood flag of
Speaker 3: the Nazi Party?
Speaker 1: Nope?
Speaker 3: Okay, So here's the backstory to it. And I didn't
Speaker 3: write it down because I'll tell it quickly. So have
Speaker 3: you ever heard of the beer hall, pushed pushed whatever?
Speaker 2: Definitely not?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So, when Hitler got in with that DAP party, he
Speaker 3: basically tried to run a revolt and it was a
Speaker 3: failed attempt, and it was called the Beer Hall Pushed
Speaker 3: of nineteen twenty three. Basically, it was what the Nazi party.
Speaker 3: It was the beginning of the Nazi Party, and the
Speaker 3: police recalled. Certain people were gunned down and their blood
Speaker 3: splattered all over this Nazi flag, this flag that was
Speaker 3: stained with the blood of what was now martyrs to
Speaker 3: the Nazi cause. Every year they had a ceremony where
Speaker 3: they would lay new Nazi flags on top of the
Speaker 3: original blue flag to try to imbue this new Nazi
Speaker 3: flag with the blood of the martyrs of the Nazis.
Speaker 3: It was a whole thing, dude, that's tell me that's
Speaker 3: not a cult as fuck.
Speaker 2: Oh of course it is.
Speaker 3: I mean, that was a whole whole thing they did
Speaker 3: at least once a year. Now, the occult meaning and
Speaker 3: symbolism behind there quote unquote pure arian blood. I mean,
Speaker 3: come on, tell me there's not all kinds of we
Speaker 3: How many times have we talked about on this show
Speaker 3: about how blue blood and how the lineage has everything
Speaker 3: to do with the powers of and the genetics and
Speaker 3: all the That's an entire talking point for so many
Speaker 3: people that believe in the occult, not all, not all,
Speaker 3: but especially during the early nineteen hundreds when eugenics was
Speaker 3: a normal talking point, and how these people were writing
Speaker 3: books about sterilizing the sick and sterilizing the racially infear.
Speaker 1: Bup, like, yeah, sure, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean blood magic has been a thing for a
Speaker 2: very long time, and there's always a lot of emphasis
Speaker 2: on the blood, which I find very strange. He even
Speaker 2: drinking little shots of wine is very strange to me.
Speaker 2: But I digress.
Speaker 3: That's fair, that's fair. I mean sure. Now, your boy
Speaker 3: brought up Himmler a moment ago. Now Himler himself set
Speaker 3: out on expeditions to find any remains of their lost
Speaker 3: Aryan ancestors. He went looking for Thor's actual hammer, And
Speaker 3: I don't mean this to be like the metaphorical depictions
Speaker 3: of He wanted to find the actual muleneer. He was
Speaker 3: like on multiple quests to find that, along with a
Speaker 3: lot of other artifacts.
Speaker 2: Did he think that he was worthy?
Speaker 3: I don't know if he I don't I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know what he thought. Dude, Like, all right,
Speaker 3: they at a certain point you could understand why he
Speaker 3: would be looking for depictions of or to see how
Speaker 3: far that cultural image stemmed out from a certain point.
Speaker 1: And like from an.
Speaker 3: Anthropology standpoint, I could understand what he was aiming for,
Speaker 3: but that is not what he was aiming for.
Speaker 1: As very much real as the.
Speaker 3: Arc of the Covenant is to a vast majority of people,
Speaker 3: he believed that Mule Andir was an actual device.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: Look, I'm gonna go ahead and share a picture on
Speaker 3: Wikipedia right now. Actually, I gotta find that damn picture
Speaker 3: because I'm on a whole different thing at this moment.
Speaker 2: By the way, I think that a lot of and
Speaker 2: this is just my own personal beliefs, I think that
Speaker 2: all of the Odin thor you know, Loki Mule near
Speaker 2: the fucking reindeer and all that shit, I personally, even
Speaker 2: though yes it was jotted down in the EDAs and
Speaker 2: the proces, that is, and there's a lot of people
Speaker 2: that believe in that kind of stuff. I don't know, dude,
Speaker 2: Whenever you're talking about fucking Odin who supposedly live for
Speaker 2: like five or ten thousand years, it's like, can we
Speaker 2: just look at it for the eggregor that it is,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, why do we have
Speaker 2: to be going and looking for certain relics of stuff
Speaker 2: that is unimaginable.
Speaker 3: Dude, they say that there's nine realms on the tree.
Speaker 3: We don't even know the name of two of the
Speaker 3: nine realms. We are fully assuming and.
Speaker 1: Guessing at two of them. That's real life. There's no
Speaker 1: way around that.
Speaker 3: If we don't even know that much, how can we
Speaker 3: pretend to know anything about the religion.
Speaker 1: The same way with the Druids.
Speaker 3: Which we're gonna get to in a little bit. But like,
Speaker 3: there's no way of us today knowing that, well.
Speaker 2: You don't need to know it. Odin only gave you
Speaker 2: your manna.
Speaker 3: I guess, I guess now, Like I was saying, your
Speaker 3: boy actually went and was looking for mulen Heir. He
Speaker 3: went looking for this actual hammer, and he even talked
Speaker 3: about this in a letter he wrote to and from
Speaker 3: This was his society, the Anna Nairbe task Force that
Speaker 3: he set up within the Thula Society. He wrote a
Speaker 3: letter in nineteen forty and we've seen this sigil before.
Speaker 3: That's why I brought it up here. I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 3: gonna read the direct quote from the letter, because this
Speaker 3: is where you could sell he kind of drew a
Speaker 3: line here, all right, have the following researched. Find all
Speaker 3: of the places in Northern Germanic cultural world where they
Speaker 3: have an understanding of the lightning bolt, the thunderbolt, or
Speaker 3: Thor's hammer, or where the flying or thrown hammer exists,
Speaker 3: in addition to all depictions to the god with a
Speaker 3: small hand axe emitting lightning. Please, con please collect all
Speaker 3: of the pictorial, scriptural, sculptural, and written mythological evidence of this.
Speaker 3: I'm convinced that this is not based on natural thunderbolt
Speaker 3: and lightning, but rather is an early, highly developed form
Speaker 3: of war weapon of our forefathers, which was only of
Speaker 3: course possessed by the Aesir the gods, and that it
Speaker 3: implies an unheard knowledge of electricity. So that was a
Speaker 3: direct quote from a letter from Himmler written to his
Speaker 3: staff that were on an expedition.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so these were hardcore believers.
Speaker 3: This wasn't a joke to these people, This wasn't a game.
Speaker 3: This was them trying to rediscover their quote unquote true religion.
Speaker 2: My question is why would Thorn leave his hammer here?
Speaker 3: Ah? Well, according to legend, it had to be left here.
Speaker 3: If you believe a certain trail of stories.
Speaker 1: It's you. Look, man, I don't know. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying he's known for, you know, wielding mlnair.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't think why would you fucking leave it here?
Speaker 2: Could you only use it here? Was it not needed
Speaker 2: in the other realms or other realms? You know, not
Speaker 2: made of the same kind of material. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have no idea, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But this Innrabe society right here, this is where like
Speaker 3: all of the movies we see about crazy Nazi scientists
Speaker 3: and crazy occult magic and all that with the group
Speaker 3: of German Nazis and blah blah blah, that's this.
Speaker 1: That's all this group within the Thule society.
Speaker 3: Now, they were also sent to find proof of the
Speaker 3: Holy Lance aka the Spear of Destiny. I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: ahead and play a quick little vigia talking about said
Speaker 3: Spear of Destiny, or at least one version of the story.
Speaker 11: The Bible describes numerous holy relics, including the Monora and
Speaker 11: the Arc of the Covenant. There are also sacred objects
Speaker 11: that are mentioned in the New Testament. One of these
Speaker 11: artifacts is a spear that was reportedly wielded by a
Speaker 11: Roman soldier during the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.
Speaker 12: The origin of the spear comes from the Gospel of John.
Speaker 12: Jesus is on the cross, the Romans are trying to
Speaker 12: figure out whether he's dead because there's a lot of
Speaker 12: pressure to get him down at bury him. There was
Speaker 12: a Roman soldier who someone told him stab this guy,
Speaker 12: finish him off, make sure he's dead.
Speaker 13: The Christian tradition says, the name of this Roman soldier
Speaker 13: who pierces Jesus Laginus, And there's a story that develops
Speaker 13: that he's blind or he's nearsighted, and so when he's
Speaker 13: pierced at the side of Jesus, the blood in the
Speaker 13: water comes out that lands on his eyes and it
Speaker 13: makes him able to see. It's this miracle, because of course,
Speaker 13: the blood of Christ is this miraculous sort of thing.
Speaker 11: According to Christian belief, when this ordinary spear touched Jesus,
Speaker 11: it became a sacred rite and was referred to as
Speaker 11: either the Holy Lands or the spear of Destiny.
Speaker 14: For believers, this spear of Destiny actually pierced Jesus's side
Speaker 14: and came in contact with his blood.
Speaker 15: For them.
Speaker 14: This would mean that it does in fact have some
Speaker 14: kind of divine power, because you can't touch the Holy
Speaker 14: without being chained or transformed.
Speaker 16: Because this was the only weapon that is said to
Speaker 16: have pierced the body of Christ, the legend got going
Speaker 16: that if you had the Spear of Destiny, the Holy Lance,
Speaker 16: you could not be stopped. You were invincible, and a
Speaker 16: whole series of leaders wanted to get their hands on it,
Speaker 16: perhaps believing God would then be on their side and
Speaker 16: they would.
Speaker 11: Prevail after Jesus' crucifixion. One of the rulers that reportedly
Speaker 11: came into possession of the Spear of Destiny was the
Speaker 11: eighth century French king Charlemagne.
Speaker 12: Charlemagne Charles the Great carry the lance in forty seven
Speaker 12: victorious campaigns and spread his control over much of France
Speaker 12: and Germany all the way into what would now be
Speaker 12: Slovakia and Hungary. So Charlemagne at eight hundred on Christmas
Speaker 12: Day is crowned by the Pope as Emperor of the West,
Speaker 12: and there were a lot of people who believed that
Speaker 12: the Spear of Destiny explained to success.
Speaker 11: Is it possible that the sphere of Destiny actually gave
Speaker 11: Charlemagne the power to vanquish his enemies, perhaps, but if so,
Speaker 11: then such power apparently came at a heavy price.
Speaker 17: Legend says that if you crop the spear of Destiny,
Speaker 17: or lose it, or even really step back from it,
Speaker 17: all of your great victories are going to be as nothing.
Speaker 10: You will just fall.
Speaker 17: And that's what happened. Apparently, when Charlemagne carried it into
Speaker 17: battle and dropped it, he lost that battle, even though
Speaker 17: with it he'd won forty seven battles.
Speaker 11: Was the Sphere of Destiny responsible for both the rise
Speaker 11: and fall of Charlemagne. Today, the Sphere of Destiny is
Speaker 11: on display at the Hofbrick Museum in Vienna, where tourists
Speaker 11: can view this historic object and wonder whether it really
Speaker 11: did sway the fate of nations for centuries because of
Speaker 11: its connection to Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: Keep in mind that with this the Nazis allegedly had
Speaker 3: the Spear of Destiny, Okay, they it was hal hailed
Speaker 3: at the Austrian House of Treasures in Vienna. Apparently Hitler,
Speaker 3: when he was an artist in Vienna, he saw it
Speaker 3: on display and just fell in love with the idea
Speaker 3: of the power that that thing could have. And so
Speaker 3: apparently the Nazis in fact sent out a group to
Speaker 3: grab this religious artifact and use it for their occult purposes.
Speaker 1: And they did absolutely.
Speaker 3: And allegedly Hitler didn't commit suicide until that spear was
Speaker 3: in Allied hands, if you believe he committed suicide and
Speaker 3: didn't make his way to Argentina or anywhere like that.
Speaker 2: But whatever, okay, sounds about right? Yeah, I know that
Speaker 2: you know a lot of people that are within the
Speaker 2: occult they like to use whether it be a chalice
Speaker 2: or a knife shield whatever. I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of tools that you can use within your within your magic.
Speaker 3: Indeed, now with all that the Thula Society and that
Speaker 3: the Anhard whatever the hell, fucking dude, and an her
Speaker 3: based Asidy, thank you, they also sent a group to
Speaker 3: the North Pole, to the Arctic. Let's read this little
Speaker 3: or let's watch this little one minute video about when
Speaker 3: that base was actually captured by Allied forces.
Speaker 18: A few hundred miles from the North Pole, American coast
Speaker 18: guards lower depth charges into the pack ice and blast
Speaker 18: a channel to secret German bases established author Green on
Speaker 18: the coast. A longboat pulls away to destroy the radio
Speaker 18: stations from which the Nazis were sending weather reports to Germany.
Speaker 18: When the German expeditions installed themselves there, they sneaked in
Speaker 18: plenty of supplies. Look at all back to the US
Speaker 18: cut up comes a load of sixty prisoners. They had
Speaker 18: scuttled their three ships before Sir Hendry, no more weather
Speaker 18: reports for the Nazis. A new center of low depression has.
Speaker 3: Set in bro They had a secret quote unquote weather
Speaker 3: base at the North Pole, right, and that was actually
Speaker 3: that expedition to start that base was from the Inner
Speaker 3: Bay Society.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what, dude, there's still in my
Speaker 2: mind a lot of questions about what's really going on
Speaker 2: at the North Pole, Like especially when Justin Trudeau talks
Speaker 2: about how his dad was all powerful and he knew
Speaker 2: he knew that his dad was powerful because his dad
Speaker 2: took him up to the North Pole and as soon
Speaker 2: as he saw what his dad had been involved in
Speaker 2: in the North Pole, he knew that he had like
Speaker 2: immense power. And so it's like, what the fuck are
Speaker 2: you really looking at him there? Because I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: it's not a fucking candy cane that's sitting in the ground.
Speaker 3: You know, so what would this Nazi occult group be
Speaker 3: looking for at the North Pole? It begs the question, right,
Speaker 3: and then let's not also forget their explorations to the
Speaker 3: South Pole. The Antarctic exploration of the Nazis. Let's watch
Speaker 3: this little video about it.
Speaker 15: Thirties Nazi Gerberty showed a keen interest in Antarctica leading
Speaker 15: up to an expedition that would claim Germerty's Antarctic territory
Speaker 15: of New Swabia. Because of the Second World War, no
Speaker 15: further efforts to develop the territory were made. Now the
Speaker 15: clay was completely abandoned after the defeat of Nazi Gerberty.
Speaker 15: Before I get to be sure to subscribe, I would
Speaker 15: really appreciate it. Gerberty let the expedition during nineteen thirty
Speaker 15: eight to nineteen thirty one died to Antarctica with the
Speaker 15: big purpose of securing an area where a whale station
Speaker 15: could be constructed to increase Treviany's production of fat.
Speaker 1: They say that it was sent realistically, y'all all right?
Speaker 3: The official narrative is that the Nazis sent out the
Speaker 3: An Air Base Society to Antarctica to look for good
Speaker 3: whaling grounds because in the war effort. Germany really needed
Speaker 3: that whale oil. Bro Whale oil hadn't been used in
Speaker 3: lamps since kerosene had been invented for decades.
Speaker 1: What the fuck are they talking about.
Speaker 2: She'll be eating on that whale blubber just as soon
Speaker 2: as I free Willie.
Speaker 1: I mean, but that just shipping alone, like whaling. The
Speaker 1: Nazis wanted to get into whaling.
Speaker 3: That's the official narrative that people are like, yep to
Speaker 3: totally right, but all right, let's.
Speaker 2: Let's there's probably more to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but let's continue.
Speaker 15: Whale oil happened to be the main row material needed
Speaker 15: for the production of margarine soap, butter, detergents, paint, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Margarine soap, butter, detergents and paint.
Speaker 3: So margarine soap and butter, you can make that with milk,
Speaker 3: and I know that they got dairy right first off.
Speaker 3: Detergents in paint detergents, you could make that with ash
Speaker 3: like lye and paint. No, that is not a main
Speaker 3: ingredient in any kind of paint that I've ever known
Speaker 3: in my life. But again, let's just see New Swabia.
Speaker 3: If anybody wants to Google starts down on their own.
Speaker 15: Nazi Germanty mainly imported whale oil from Norway. As a
Speaker 15: matter of fact, Geberty was the second largest purchaser of
Speaker 15: Norwegian oil. Due to the incoming war, Geberty was worried
Speaker 15: it wouldn't to be able to trade with Norway. The
Speaker 15: Nazis felt the need of securing their own source of fat.
Speaker 15: On December seventeenth of nineteen thirty eight, the DW Swabia
Speaker 15: Expedition left Hamburg to the Antarctic continent aboard MS Schwabenland
Speaker 15: and Yeah. Of course, DW Swabia was named after the ship.
Speaker 15: The ship arrived on January nineteenth of nineteen thirty nine
Speaker 15: at Princess Martha Coast, which is an area that just
Speaker 15: so happened to be claimed by Norway very recently, with
Speaker 15: the German claim overlapping that of Norway's. The charting of
Speaker 15: the region began. Flags of the Third Reich were placed
Speaker 15: on the sea ice along the coast. The team established
Speaker 15: a temporary base and continued to chart the area. Several
Speaker 15: photographic survey flights were carried out. Ultimately, they took sixteen
Speaker 15: thousand aerial photographs and have flown thousands of kilometers. The
Speaker 15: team left to dw Swabia on the sixth of February
Speaker 15: nineteen thirty nine.
Speaker 3: Okay, so it begs the question what were they actually
Speaker 3: looking for there, because I don't really know if whale
Speaker 3: oil from Norway was that much of a concern to
Speaker 3: Nazi Germany.
Speaker 1: I feel like.
Speaker 3: When you really look at it, right, when you look
Speaker 3: at Hitler's economy and you look at what his nation
Speaker 3: needed and what they fed on and ate off of,
Speaker 3: and all of this.
Speaker 1: It was a complete conquest economy.
Speaker 3: Basically, he was feeding his people from the shit he
Speaker 3: stole from the countries he was invading. That's why Germany
Speaker 3: was eating good at that time. It wasn't that their
Speaker 3: farms automatically just yielded better crops because now they're flying
Speaker 3: a swastika over them. They were eating good because it
Speaker 3: was food that was taken from two countries over, you
Speaker 3: see what I mean. So, and that was the whole thing,
Speaker 3: this socialist economy that he was rolling with, which everybody, yes,
Speaker 3: that's true. The National Socialist Workers Party Nazis, that was
Speaker 3: a socialist movement. His economy showed it. If you want
Speaker 3: to look at it. Everything was state funded. He wanted
Speaker 3: the people to be completely dependent on the state and
Speaker 3: on him.
Speaker 1: He was their leader, he was their furer, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 3: So that was he wanted to be the lynchpin to
Speaker 3: everybody's life.
Speaker 1: With all that being said, it's just wild to me.
Speaker 19: Bro.
Speaker 1: He was sending people to find.
Speaker 3: A cult relics in every corner of the earth that
Speaker 3: he could think and all of this, all of these
Speaker 3: expeditions were done by Himmler, or least spearheaded by him.
Speaker 3: And let's not forget their castle, the image of the
Speaker 3: scary Nazi occult castle, Jonathan, have you ever thought about
Speaker 3: where that comes from?
Speaker 2: M No?
Speaker 3: Well prepared to learn, sir, because they're using it now.
Speaker 3: For like, it seems like women to do yoga in,
Speaker 3: which is kind of crazy. But check this shit out.
Speaker 20: Man Cassel stands near the Tuteburg forest where Germanic tribes
Speaker 20: defeated the Roman army.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I should mention this is the Vevelsburg castle
Speaker 3: we Willsburg. I don't know, but yes, that's the place
Speaker 3: talking about.
Speaker 20: Two thousand years ago.
Speaker 21: Finally, Himmler, the Germanic tribes there were the most superior
Speaker 21: culture for him, and for the SS it was very
Speaker 21: important to have those relations to the past so they
Speaker 21: could say, well, we are similar to the Germanic warriors.
Speaker 20: Himmler was also obsessed with the medieval era, in particular
Speaker 20: with Henry, the first German king, founder of the Saxon
Speaker 20: dynasty and conqueror of lands in the East, a feat
Speaker 20: Nazi Germany wanted to replicate. So for Vevelsberg to look
Speaker 20: more medieval, Himmler ordered the plaster to be taken down
Speaker 20: and a moat to be built around the castle.
Speaker 21: For that reason, they established in concentration camp here from
Speaker 21: nineteen thirty nine to nineteen forty five that were round
Speaker 21: about three thousand and nine hundred prisoners here and at
Speaker 21: least one thousand, two hundred and eighty five prisoners died.
Speaker 20: Vivelsberg's rebuild was a megalomaniac plan, a plan that would
Speaker 20: turn into a complex of buildings, finding out at a
Speaker 20: six hundred meter radius from the north tower.
Speaker 21: The northern tower is still original as it was in
Speaker 21: the nineteen forties. There are two historical rooms. One is secrypt.
Speaker 21: It looks like a tomb to honor that as s men.
Speaker 21: You hear the acoustic effects.
Speaker 20: On the ceiling. A swastika can still be seen in
Speaker 20: the upper level. There's another controversial symbol connected to the
Speaker 20: SS ideology of racial supremacy.
Speaker 21: This was the Supreme Leader's Hall, which looks from the
Speaker 21: architecture like a church, and there is a sunwheel on
Speaker 21: the floor with twelve parts. For us, it is important
Speaker 21: to show the symbol the black Sun, to show everyone, yes,
Speaker 21: it is here, but we want to deconstruct the hour
Speaker 21: of the symbol. So normally we have got those bags
Speaker 21: on it, I can put them away. We know that
Speaker 21: this sunwheel is a typical Indo Germanic symbol used by
Speaker 21: a lot of cultures and tribes.
Speaker 20: But in the nineteen nineties a book boosted a new
Speaker 20: conspiracy theory claiming the black sun was used in secret
Speaker 20: SS rituals.
Speaker 21: This story was very, very famous in the right wing scene.
Speaker 21: This is our problem. There are a lot of consparency
Speaker 21: gens admit about Wiebelsburg during the S time. It starts
Speaker 21: really directly after the war that forms men toetales what
Speaker 21: should have been happening here. You cannot say this is
Speaker 21: wrong or right because we have no written documents about that.
Speaker 21: We only can say they never finished the working in
Speaker 21: this place, so it was never used.
Speaker 20: The only occasion the SS leadership actually gathered at Bevelsburg
Speaker 20: was in June nineteen forty one, and at that time
Speaker 20: the north tower was still under construction. Two years later,
Speaker 20: after the defeat at Stalingrad, work at the castle was
Speaker 20: halted until it was finally liberated by American troops in
Speaker 20: nineteen forty five.
Speaker 3: Okay, so they say that it's contested if it was
Speaker 3: ever used or not. Right, the renovations were never actually completed,
Speaker 3: and so all these things. Never mind the fact that
Speaker 3: a concentration camp absolutely confirmed operated out of this location
Speaker 3: for most of the war from thirty nine to forty five.
Speaker 3: Let's also not forget that the renovations only stopped whenever
Speaker 3: the war took its pivotal turn and they now were
Speaker 3: on the defense rather than the offense. And let's also
Speaker 3: not forget that they went as far as to renovate
Speaker 3: it to have a grail room within it, literally to
Speaker 3: house the Holy Grail for whenever they found it on
Speaker 3: one of their expeditions. So yes, I think it's a
Speaker 3: pretty safe assumption to assume that they used it pretty
Speaker 3: much for the purposes that we're thinking that they used
Speaker 3: it for especially with a concentration camp right there, that
Speaker 3: was all they needed for their sacrificial rights.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds about right. I mean, these people were obviously religious,
Speaker 2: kind of nut jobs, and they took a lot of
Speaker 2: the old stories a little bit too serious, I think.
Speaker 2: But ultimately, if you're power hungry, then you're using every
Speaker 2: aca that you can get your hands on. If you
Speaker 2: think that the spear of destiny is going to help
Speaker 2: you win war and gain you know, power and control
Speaker 2: over not only your country but over the rest of
Speaker 2: the world and help defeat them and all that kind
Speaker 2: of shit, like it's it's an act of desperation, but
Speaker 2: also of dare I even say, woo woo nut jobism?
Speaker 1: This could be taken to that realm you see it?
Speaker 1: I do absolutely.
Speaker 3: And so let's also not forget these other relics quote
Speaker 3: unquote that they were like just uncovering and discovering on
Speaker 3: these expeditions.
Speaker 1: Like the Chimsey Cauldron. Have you ever heard of this.
Speaker 2: Sir, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Okay, So here's the story.
Speaker 3: Right in two thousand and one, this diver was diving
Speaker 3: in some Bavarian pond or lake or something, and he
Speaker 3: sees this gold rim hanging out from the mud. He
Speaker 3: goes down there and he like you know, brushes off
Speaker 3: the mud and finds this golden bowl with all this
Speaker 3: engravement on it. He brings it up and they they
Speaker 3: think based off of where it is, that it was
Speaker 3: a at one point relic being used by Hitler's occult groups, right,
Speaker 3: and it was then called the Chimsey cauldron, Okay, And
Speaker 3: they didn't know at the time what it was or
Speaker 3: where it was from or all of these things, but
Speaker 3: it made sense that the Nazis used this, and then
Speaker 3: they have later writings to say that that's absolutely what
Speaker 3: this was. And then so pretty much they were acting
Speaker 3: is that this was some ancient bowl signifying.
Speaker 1: That this was a proof of the Aryan race in
Speaker 1: this area.
Speaker 3: Then come to find out because again this was discovered
Speaker 3: in two thousand and one, and so we have like
Speaker 3: the means of testing things to see when it was
Speaker 3: actually created based off of science rather than fiction and
Speaker 3: things like this. So they discovered that it was actually
Speaker 3: made in the nineteen thirties. Based off of them, they
Speaker 3: were able to actually track down the German jeweler who
Speaker 3: made it.
Speaker 1: He was sworn to.
Speaker 3: An NDA under Nazi penalty of death. But they're not
Speaker 3: a threat anymore. So like, yeah, he straight up said, yeah,
Speaker 3: I made that. I made it for the Nazi group
Speaker 3: and all these things, but it didn't stop the Nazis
Speaker 3: from idolizing it and using it in their occult ceremonies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds about right. And like I said, I
Speaker 2: think that a lot of this it doesn't necessarily even
Speaker 2: have to do with truth or false. It's about belief.
Speaker 2: And so if you believe that this was an Aryan relic,
Speaker 2: and you get enough people to believe that it's an
Speaker 2: Aryan relic, ay, dude, I mean you achieved your goal.
Speaker 3: I mean that seems to be the point, right, And
Speaker 3: that's the thing. So they were going out and they
Speaker 3: were looking for, you know, any sign of the ancient race.
Speaker 3: So if they went on a North Pole expedition and
Speaker 3: it came back with nothing, they can't show that to
Speaker 3: the boss, Okay, they can't show they wasted all this
Speaker 3: time and money and resources when there's a fucking war
Speaker 3: going on, right, And so they had to come back
Speaker 3: with something. So you had certain instances where things like
Speaker 3: this happened, where yeah, they went to Vienna and got
Speaker 3: the Spear of Destiny. All right, that's a confirmed boom boom,
Speaker 3: all right, I'm assuming that the Spear of Destiny is
Speaker 3: in fact authentic and is not a forgery or a
Speaker 3: not real thing in the first place, all of the stuff.
Speaker 3: Right to say that they went and got the Shroud
Speaker 3: of torn okay, boom boom boom. You could see, all right,
Speaker 3: all right, I get it if they would have claimed
Speaker 3: that they got the ark of the Covenant, fucking Indiana
Speaker 3: Jones stuff, which, by the way, that spawning of the
Speaker 3: Nazis archaeology team going out and finding these relics.
Speaker 1: That's this, that's this group. So to say that they
Speaker 1: were looking for.
Speaker 3: Some ancient chalice or communal bowl like this, and but
Speaker 3: like they couldn't find it in the caves of wherever.
Speaker 3: So they just like hired a local jeweler to be like, yo,
Speaker 3: I need you to bang this out for me real quick.
Speaker 3: Throw this kind of Celtic not work, do some shit,
Speaker 3: and like boss Man's none the wiser.
Speaker 1: You could see how it'd be a thing.
Speaker 3: Right So now, all right, Eventually Adolph kind of loses his.
Speaker 1: Vigor for the occult things.
Speaker 3: Right, So the war is going on in two fronts
Speaker 3: and all these things, and at this point, all these
Speaker 3: people there are still screaming, bro, the old ways, the
Speaker 3: old gods. He's kind of like, bro, I have a
Speaker 3: war that I am dealing with.
Speaker 1: I don't care. It started to get a little annoying.
Speaker 3: Then it got to the point where he outright just
Speaker 3: washed his hands of it and like dismissed it, all
Speaker 3: of it. And so let's go ahead and listen back
Speaker 3: to this camp Gagnon real quick, just a few minutes
Speaker 3: of it, and he does a good job of breaking
Speaker 3: down what happens.
Speaker 10: Next, but he gets a little frustrated.
Speaker 9: So in nineteen thirty eight he actually says national socialism
Speaker 9: is not a cult movement. It's not a movement for worship.
Speaker 9: It is exclusively a people's political doctrine based upon racial
Speaker 9: principles and its purpose. There is no mystic cult, only
Speaker 9: the care and leadership of the people, defined by a
Speaker 9: common blood relationship. Therefore, we have no room for worship,
Speaker 9: hauls for the people, no open spaces for worship, but
Speaker 9: space is for assembly and parade, and basically goes on
Speaker 9: to say that a lot of the occult stuff is annoying,
Speaker 9: and that he's no longer going to be allowing these
Speaker 9: mystical minded occult people to you know, take away from
Speaker 9: the Nazi Party. By this point, he's basically gone on
Speaker 9: a full fledged war against a lot of secret societies
Speaker 9: throughout Germany. I mean, he kicks out the Freemasons, he
Speaker 9: cracks out on them, a lot of them are rounded
Speaker 9: up and sent to the camps. Anyone else that's a
Speaker 9: part of these sort of esoteric societies, like I said,
Speaker 9: Lans's magazine that he was publishing, that gets kicked out
Speaker 9: and the final straw and I say final because it's
Speaker 9: not actually the final.
Speaker 10: But Hitler gets pissed about this one moment.
Speaker 9: Specifically, basically Hitler at this point in the war, this
Speaker 9: is you know, into the forties, he decides to open
Speaker 9: up a new front against the Soviets, against the USSR.
Speaker 9: Rudolph Hess, Hitler's highest ranking deputy, his number one guy,
Speaker 9: right next to him. He disagrees with the decision, and
Speaker 9: he was actually right. I mean, a multi front war
Speaker 9: for the Germans at the time was ultimately their downfall.
Speaker 9: And Hess interestingly consults with his astrologer, someone that can
Speaker 9: basically read the stars and try to assess future events
Speaker 9: from you know, the way that the celestial bodies line up.
Speaker 9: And Hess goes to his astrologer and meets with them,
Speaker 9: and the astrologer agrees and says, hey, this is going
Speaker 9: to be bad. You need to try to stop this immediately.
Speaker 9: And Hess is going back and forth and he's trying
Speaker 9: to talk to Hitler like, hey, don't do this, don't
Speaker 9: go into Russia. That's going to be a problem. And
Speaker 9: he ultimately decides to fly to England himself to broker
Speaker 9: a peace deal with Winston Churchill. This eventually goes terribly.
Speaker 9: There's a crash and he's captured and he's ridiculed and
Speaker 9: it doesn't go good. And this is a huge scandal
Speaker 9: at this time in the war, and Hitler is pissed
Speaker 9: off and he's basically like, you know, what the heck
Speaker 9: happened to Hess?
Speaker 10: Why did he go over there?
Speaker 9: And a lot of his ss men were basically like, no,
Speaker 9: you know, he could talk to this crazy you know sorcerer,
Speaker 9: this witchcraft guy, this occultist.
Speaker 10: He told him to go over there. What's interesting is
Speaker 10: that the occultist was right.
Speaker 9: I don't know, I mean, maybe he got some type
Speaker 9: of divine of inspiration and saw the future and was like, oh,
Speaker 9: this is going to ultimately be the downfall of the Nazis.
Speaker 10: Hess maybe just had a good intuition and was compelled.
Speaker 9: It's not known exactly what happened, but it is pretty
Speaker 9: clear that Hesse had met with his astrologer prior to
Speaker 9: flying over to try to broker this piece deal. Hitler's
Speaker 9: pissed about this and again ultimately dispels all occultism and
Speaker 9: is pissed off. At this point, the Freemason's already out.
Speaker 9: He's cracking down on everyone else that is into sorcery
Speaker 9: and the occult, and a lot of them actually gets
Speaker 9: sent into concentration camps. But this doesn't last long. And
Speaker 9: this is maybe the most fascinating part. I mean, this
Speaker 9: is just crazy. This is when the Germans literally weaponized
Speaker 9: the occult. And again, a lot of this is at
Speaker 9: the behest of Heinrich Himmler. Let me tell you about
Speaker 9: Operation Oak. By nineteen forty three, Mussolini is the leader
Speaker 9: of fascism in Italy and is in a axis power
Speaker 9: with the Germans, and he's captured. Now this is bad
Speaker 9: for the Germans because he's one of their allies, so
Speaker 9: that Germans basically make a plan to liberate him.
Speaker 10: How did they find him?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 9: This is very difficult. Now there's this guy, doctor Eric Kurlander.
Speaker 9: He wrote a book called Hitler's Monsters, and in that
Speaker 9: book he suggests that Heinrich Himmler was able to work
Speaker 9: with intelligence and a couple other people, and they're basically
Speaker 9: able to go into the mountains of northern Italy and
Speaker 9: liberate Mussolini. And they free him and they get him out.
Speaker 9: We'll say, oh, it's a little bit of intelligence. And
Speaker 9: we used you know, our geolocating and we had an
Speaker 9: aircraft guy that went over and saw a base and
Speaker 9: said we should check out there. But Heinrich Himmler was
Speaker 9: adamant that they used a group of occultist who used
Speaker 9: remote viewing to locate him. I know it sounds crazy,
Speaker 9: but this is what Heinrich Himler believed. Many of the
Speaker 9: occultists were actually taken out of concentration camps. So, like
Speaker 9: I said, from the Hess action, a lot of are
Speaker 9: put in concentration camps, some of them are taken out
Speaker 9: and said, hey, if you have divine powers, if you're
Speaker 9: able to conjure up information from the stars. If you're
Speaker 9: able to do it successfully, you will be granted freedom.
Speaker 9: I mean, most people want were in the conserration camps.
Speaker 9: They did not get out. But yet the Germans were
Speaker 9: finding these occultists and these sorcerers in the concentration camps,
Speaker 9: pulling them out and then giving them tasks to work
Speaker 9: with the Germans to try to locate enemy targets. And
Speaker 9: that's not the only time that they did it. The
Speaker 9: British were not having a great naval history going against
Speaker 9: the Germans. The Germans were beating them with their U
Speaker 9: boats and then the fortune kind of shifts. The British
Speaker 9: all of a sudden start, you know, attacking U boats
Speaker 9: with extreme precision. And this U boat Captain Hans Roeder,
Speaker 9: he himself is not only you know, technically trained in physics.
Speaker 9: He's a high ranking German official that's very well to
Speaker 9: do in science and math and a you know, a
Speaker 9: proper intelligent guy. He believes that the British are employing
Speaker 9: basically a cult or mystical geolocating abilities, almost like dowsing.
Speaker 9: Like I don't know if you've ever seen this, but
Speaker 9: like sometimes people will walk around on property with like
Speaker 9: a you know, a piece of like a stick, and
Speaker 9: it's in the shape of like a y and they're
Speaker 9: able to find water and they're called like water dowsers.
Speaker 9: And he basically believes that that's what the British are doing,
Speaker 9: is that they're on their ships and they're using remote
Speaker 9: viewing from these occultists to find the German boats. And
Speaker 9: he comes up with an idea that says, hey, if
Speaker 9: the British are doing it, we need to do it.
Speaker 9: So they literally create what's known as the Pendulum Institute
Speaker 9: and this is used basically as an appropriate countermeasure against
Speaker 9: the British. He receives approval from high ranking German naval
Speaker 9: intelligence in September of nineteen forty two, and Rotor proceeds
Speaker 9: to recruit like an army of pendulum dowsers as well
Speaker 9: as astrologers and clairvoyance and psychics, and he uses them
Speaker 9: basically to find different British ships. And he would place
Speaker 9: like a tiny toy or like a tiny battleship and
Speaker 9: a large map of the Atlantic and he would put
Speaker 9: it across the whole table and he would tell the
Speaker 9: occultists like, hey, I want you to want you to
Speaker 9: look at the board and just tell me where are we, like,
Speaker 9: where is the enemy ships? And he would swing the
Speaker 9: sort of this pendulum around and it was supposed to
Speaker 9: indicate the presence of real enemy battleships in that location.
Speaker 9: I mean, it sounds crazy, and by most experts estimations,
Speaker 9: the experiment was a huge failure and didn't produce any
Speaker 9: meaningful results, and a lot of like the you know,
Speaker 9: Nazi officials that were involved in this kind of disavowed
Speaker 9: it much later, like after the war had ended. Some
Speaker 9: of them, either in private journals or even uh in
Speaker 9: interviews or privately to people that knew them, kind of said, ah, no,
Speaker 9: this you know, that stuff was bs. It didn't really work,
Speaker 9: and they kind.
Speaker 10: Of brush it off.
Speaker 9: But in their personal diaries at the time, they claimed
Speaker 9: that it worked amazingly well, and they said that they
Speaker 9: were able to use remote viewing from these occultists that
Speaker 9: they were able to find in these concentration camps to
Speaker 9: basically locate British ships across the Atlantic.
Speaker 2: Okay, so what are your thoughts on that, brother, Yeah,
Speaker 2: just desperation personally, I think that was going on. I mean,
Speaker 2: you're whenever you're dipping your toes back into the people
Speaker 2: that you locked up. It's like that is the ultimate
Speaker 2: act of desperation, whenever you're looking to essentially your slaves
Speaker 2: for help. And is that not the most desperate thing
Speaker 2: you can do?
Speaker 3: I mean yes, But at the same time, that means
Speaker 3: that he didn't disbelieve in it. He wrote it off
Speaker 3: because he got annoyed by it, but he never actually
Speaker 3: lost the faith of the occult being real. There was
Speaker 3: still that religious zealot somewhere deep down in him even
Speaker 3: at the end. So by his own alleged account, he
Speaker 3: didn't even off himself until the spear of destiny was
Speaker 3: no longer in his possession.
Speaker 2: I mean, desperate times call for desperate measures. An atheist
Speaker 2: is an atheist until you know the plane's going down.
Speaker 2: Then you're praying to God. You know, kind of shit.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I can see that. I mean, yeah, fair, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, Pendulum Society, the Pendulum Institute
Speaker 3: would I thought that was kind of cool that, like,
Speaker 3: because you know, pendulum sigil stuff like that is being
Speaker 3: used to look for things on a map.
Speaker 1: That's that's kind of a blending of the woo woo dog.
Speaker 2: Of course it is. It's a fucking a cult, dude.
Speaker 2: It's all woo woo it.
Speaker 1: I dig it.
Speaker 3: And as you can see, in even desperate times, this
Speaker 3: is another time when the Nazis were using the occult
Speaker 3: for their principles, their practices, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 3: Now we talked a little bit about the Catholic Church
Speaker 3: and how they saw Hitler. Now keep in mind, he
Speaker 3: was baptized and was confirmed when he was fifteen years old,
Speaker 3: So like, as far as the Pope was concerned, Hitler
Speaker 3: was one of his flock at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: because the Catholic Church doesn't believe in They of that
Speaker 3: until you get excommunicated.
Speaker 1: Now was he excommunicated? Was he not? They did believe
Speaker 1: that he was possessed for a time.
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, the Pope tried to uh exercise.
Speaker 1: Hitler's demon from Rome allegedly.
Speaker 3: If we are to believe the story, We're gonna go
Speaker 3: ahead and read this video.
Speaker 1: It's got music behind it, but it's actually just words.
Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, and let's just go ahead and
Speaker 3: see what it's about here.
Speaker 2: How did Catholics oppose Hitler in the Nazis. The Nazis
Speaker 2: feared the Catholic Church much more than the Protestant Church,
Speaker 2: as it was a much more unified, powerful and global
Speaker 2: organization based outside Germany. At the Vatican in Rome, up
Speaker 2: to forty percent of Germans were Catholic, and Hitler was
Speaker 2: careful to maintain their loyalty as much as possible. It
Speaker 2: was clear, however, that the nineteen thirty three Concordant or
Speaker 2: agreement between the Nazis and the Catholic Church was undermined.
Speaker 2: Despite increasing Nazi control of monasteries and finance and much
Speaker 2: more Gestapo interference, the Catholic Church did successfully oppose the
Speaker 2: Nazi state in a number of ways. In nineteen thirty seven,
Speaker 2: Pope Pious issued an encyclical which was highly critical of
Speaker 2: Hitler and the Nazis. It was smuggled into Germany and
Speaker 2: read out in Catholic churches. He called the Nazi policies
Speaker 2: air bubble, un.
Speaker 1: Christ like, I mean fair enough.
Speaker 2: Catholics successfully campaigned against Nazi policies to remove the crucifix
Speaker 2: from buildings like schools. However, its most successful opponent to
Speaker 2: the Nazis was Bishop Galen. Clemens van Galen was the
Speaker 2: Catholic Bishop of Munster. He became known as the Lion
Speaker 2: of Munster for his vocal opposition to some of the
Speaker 2: Nazi policies. He criticized the Gestapo and increasing Nazi controls
Speaker 2: over church finances and monasteries. However, it is his opposition
Speaker 2: to the Nazi T four euthanasia program which he is
Speaker 2: best known for. This was a program set up to
Speaker 2: kill thousands of mentally and physically challenged individuals throughout Germany.
Speaker 2: Up to seventy thousand had been killed by nineteen forty one,
Speaker 2: when Bishop Galen publicly denounced the scheme, seventy thousand. Amazingly,
Speaker 2: the Nazis took notice of such a high profile figure
Speaker 2: like Bishop Galen and halted the program, at least officially. However,
Speaker 2: these successes were not without major limitations. The Catholic Church
Speaker 2: missed the opportunity to be much more effective through coordinating
Speaker 2: their opposition alongside Protestant opposition to the Nazis. Despite Bishop
Speaker 2: Galen's nineteen forty one T four success, in reality, the
Speaker 2: Nazis kept on their euthanasia program in secret. Up to
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand people were killed. The Nazis did not
Speaker 2: want to imprison or kill such a high profile figure. However,
Speaker 2: they got their revenge by executing a number of priests. Indeed,
Speaker 2: hundreds of priests were imprisoned and killed for their opposition.
Speaker 2: Perhaps its greatest fault was its muted opposition to the
Speaker 2: persecution of the Jews, although many brave Catholics did take
Speaker 2: enormous personal risks to hide Jews throughout the war.
Speaker 3: There's documented cases of that of course, So the Catholics,
Speaker 3: as we can see, were not pro Hitler by any means.
Speaker 3: A matter of fact, Hitler was killing priests, so we
Speaker 3: and again, like I said, there was a whole thing
Speaker 3: about the Pope believing that he was possessed and like
Speaker 3: having a team try to exercise him via multiple miles away,
Speaker 3: like off of some Wi Fi type shit. I thought
Speaker 3: it was more of a up close and personal type thing.
Speaker 3: I didn't think you could exercise a demon from a
Speaker 3: different area code, but apparently a certain contingent of.
Speaker 1: The Catholic faith did.
Speaker 3: But all of this going down and now we find
Speaker 3: out that there is secret bank channels between Pope Pious
Speaker 3: and Adolf Hitler. So even after it was confirmed that
Speaker 3: Adolf Hitler was killing Catholic priests and all these things,
Speaker 3: and he was dabbling into the occult, and he was
Speaker 3: reading a book talking about how Satan seed is the
Speaker 3: only way that you'll ever have a new world. Come
Speaker 3: to find out, his Holiness and Adolph were a little
Speaker 3: more of a homies than what we originally thought.
Speaker 2: Shocker.
Speaker 4: An Vatican arc are shedding new light on the relationship
Speaker 4: between Pope Pius the twelfth and Adolph Hitler as he
Speaker 4: led Nazi Germany during World War Two. The Navaz looks
Speaker 4: at what we are learning and how it changes our
Speaker 4: thinking about the Vatican during that time.
Speaker 19: Judy.
Speaker 22: In twenty twenty, the Vatican released millions of documents on
Speaker 22: Pope Pius the twelfth that were previously.
Speaker 19: Hidden from public view.
Speaker 22: These include transcripts of negotiations between the Pope and Nazis.
Speaker 19: A new book.
Speaker 22: Published today takes a deeper look at these revelations. Historian
Speaker 22: David Kurtzer is the author of that book. It's called
Speaker 22: The Pope at War, The Secret History of Pius the Twelfth,
Speaker 22: Mussolini and Hitler. And he joins me now, David Kurtzer,
Speaker 22: Welcome to the News Hour. Thank you for being here.
Speaker 22: So a lot of folks know previous versions of history
Speaker 22: around Pius the twelfth. One of two ways, right, he
Speaker 22: was either called Hitler's Pope and an anti Semite, or
Speaker 22: the story was that he did everything in his power
Speaker 22: to save as many Jewish people as he could during
Speaker 22: the war. The documents, what's your understanding?
Speaker 5: Well, I think neither one is really accurate. They're both extremes.
Speaker 5: The fact is Pius the twelfth was afraid, certainly in
Speaker 5: the first years of the war, that the Nazis were
Speaker 5: going to win, and so he felt he had to
Speaker 5: plan for Europe that was going to be under Nazi
Speaker 5: control with their pal Mussolini helping out. So his main
Speaker 5: concern in those early years, say thirty nine to forty two,
Speaker 5: was to protect the church in a time when it
Speaker 5: would Europe could be under Nazi control. It wasn't that
Speaker 5: he loved the Nazis much less Hitler, but this was
Speaker 5: his thinking.
Speaker 19: What does that mean when you say protect the church?
Speaker 22: For example, we mentioned these meetings that we now know
Speaker 22: happened between the pope and a personal envoy of Hitler.
Speaker 19: What did we learn about those What were those talks like?
Speaker 5: Well, probably the most shocking finding from these newly open
Speaker 5: Vatican archives that just opened two years ago after fifty
Speaker 5: years of pressure and interest in being able to see
Speaker 5: what they contained. Is that within weeks of Pistol being
Speaker 5: elected Pope, he's elected in early nineteen thirty nine, Hitler
Speaker 5: saw an opportunity and decided to send a personal envoy,
Speaker 5: who himself is a rather colorful character, the great grandson
Speaker 5: of Queen Victoria of England, a Nazi prince who is
Speaker 5: married to the daughter of the King of Italy, and
Speaker 5: he would begin to shuttle back and forth between Hitler
Speaker 5: and the Pope over the next two years, engaged in
Speaker 5: secret negotiations.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, can we just acknowledge what he just said?
Speaker 3: Hitler sent as his personal envoy to the new Pope
Speaker 3: just as a hey, homie, welcome to your office. Just
Speaker 3: so you know, here's me, here's what I'm about. He
Speaker 3: sends a member of the British royal family who's married
Speaker 3: to the Italian royal family, who is also a card
Speaker 3: carrying proud totan Nazi.
Speaker 1: Go say what's up to the pope.
Speaker 3: That's a that's a flex a little bit of one,
Speaker 3: and just showing the connections where they are.
Speaker 1: Good cult members. That's just what we do here. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Let's press on.
Speaker 2: Oh, go ahead, I was gonna say, I mean, I
Speaker 2: have personally held the belief that the Catholics are just
Speaker 2: as into the Occult as the Satanist personally, But that's
Speaker 2: just my opinion. Don't fry me.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, with that being said, in the old ties,
Speaker 3: let's keep in mind that the as I said, the
Speaker 3: British royal family, they are of German blood, right, the
Speaker 3: Habsburgs are of German descent, So there's old blood ties
Speaker 3: on that one as well.
Speaker 2: Big facts.
Speaker 1: All right, let's keep going.
Speaker 5: We didn't know about these till just now.
Speaker 19: David.
Speaker 22: When it comes down to what Popius the twelfth did
Speaker 22: or didn't do in terms of saving Jewish lives, you
Speaker 22: tell the story about one October night in nineteen forty
Speaker 22: three in Rome.
Speaker 5: What happened then, Well, October nineteen forty three, the SS
Speaker 5: had lists of all the Jews in Rome and went
Speaker 5: door to door and tried to arrest all of Rome's Jews,
Speaker 5: thousands of them. They found about twelve hundred and sixty,
Speaker 5: arrested them, brought them to a military college just outside
Speaker 5: the walls of the Vatican and held them there for
Speaker 5: two days. What we now learned from these recently opened
Speaker 5: archives is that the Vatican worked very hard to show
Speaker 5: that some of them had been baptized and therefore shouldn't
Speaker 5: be considered Jews from the point of view of the Church,
Speaker 5: and therefore should not be chipped off to Auschwitz with
Speaker 5: the rest of them. And in fact, about two hundred
Speaker 5: and fifty of those who were originally rounded up were
Speaker 5: freed before two days later they were put on a train.
Speaker 5: One thousand and seven of them, of whom I think
Speaker 5: about sixteen would would survive, and most, in fact, a
Speaker 5: week later, on arrival at Auschwitz, were immediately put to death.
Speaker 5: The Pope did send his Cardinal Secretary of State to
Speaker 5: meet with the German ambassador of the Holy See to
Speaker 5: say do you really need to go through this? Can
Speaker 5: you do something about this? But the ambassador told the
Speaker 5: Cardinal Secretary of State this has been ordered by the
Speaker 5: highest level, namely Hitler, and you really don't want me
Speaker 5: to protest on your behalf, do you? And the Cardinal
Speaker 5: Secretary of State basically said no, I'm not insisting on
Speaker 5: any protest.
Speaker 19: David.
Speaker 22: I'm curious, I know previously that Okay, so.
Speaker 3: The Pope tried to do everything he could to save
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty of them.
Speaker 2: I just want to say this, is it not striking
Speaker 2: that the Pope would have more to say to Hitler
Speaker 2: than even Trump? Yeah, isn't that weird?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I just want to throw that out there, back
Speaker 1: channel and all of this.
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, our current pope has nothing for Trump except a
Speaker 3: book on climate change.
Speaker 2: Even if Trump is literally Hitler, give the Hitler, give
Speaker 2: him the the the Hitler meet up at least, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know they met up and everything, but my god,
Speaker 2: that was an unpleasant meeting.
Speaker 3: I mean, don't get me wrong. Every president meets with
Speaker 3: the pope. A lot of leaders of countries meet with
Speaker 3: the pope every year. Like I get this, Oh the
Speaker 3: Pope loved Biden. Yeah, well Biden's Catholic, so yeah, that
Speaker 3: checks out. But anyway, I'm just saying, there's there's these connections.
Speaker 3: We're gonna keep going here. But like he only cared
Speaker 3: about the ones that he could prove were baptized, and
Speaker 3: then two days later they were just rounded up and
Speaker 3: brought forward.
Speaker 1: Anyway, it didn't matter.
Speaker 3: So like, yeah, he did everything he could the Pope
Speaker 3: uh God say all right, let's.
Speaker 22: Keep going attic and has come forward when previous allegations
Speaker 22: were made similar to this about Pope Pius the twelfth.
Speaker 22: Have they responded it anyway to your book or to
Speaker 22: the reporting that's in this book.
Speaker 5: Well, unfortunately, I'm the other national Roman Catholic churches, for example,
Speaker 5: in France and in Germany, have come to terms with
Speaker 5: this history. And part of the history is how was
Speaker 5: that in the middle of the twentieth century the millions
Speaker 5: of Jews could be massacreed, little children, old people by
Speaker 5: people who thought of themselves as Christian, more or less
Speaker 5: half of them Roman Catholics, but also Protestants of course,
Speaker 5: And in other countries in Germany and France, the clergy
Speaker 5: has come to terms or begun to come to terms
Speaker 5: with it, but the Vatican has not. The Vatican released
Speaker 5: a statement in I think nineteen ninety eight we remember,
Speaker 5: in which they said their own demonization of the Jews
Speaker 5: had absolutely nothing to do with the Holocaust. So this
Speaker 5: is I think my book is probably not entirely appreciated
Speaker 5: by many in the Vatican, although there are those in
Speaker 5: the Vatican when I work in the archives who whispered
Speaker 5: to me, they're happy that this is finally coming out.
Speaker 22: What about how we view all these years later the
Speaker 22: role of Pope the twelfth as leadership of the church.
Speaker 22: I mean, especially with there's being a push for his sainthood, right,
Speaker 22: how should we look at that when you step back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so the popes have tried to beatify and canonized
Speaker 5: make Pis the twelfth a saint. He is a hero
Speaker 5: of the right wing of the conservatives in the church
Speaker 5: who see the churches having gone wrong after his death,
Speaker 5: with a second Vatican Council under his successor, John the
Speaker 5: twenty third. I wish that, First of all, I wish
Speaker 5: they'd read this book, but I also wish they'd be
Speaker 5: willing to consider this history anew But I'm afraid for
Speaker 5: those really don't have an open mind, and it's unlikely
Speaker 5: that it will change their mind. So I think the
Speaker 5: drive to make a saint of Pis the twelfth will continue,
Speaker 5: And indeed.
Speaker 3: Indeed so I can't believe that that guy was actually
Speaker 3: being appointed for canon.
Speaker 1: That's wild.
Speaker 3: The same way Mother Teresa cannot believe, especially now that
Speaker 3: we know everything that we know about her, the money hoarding,
Speaker 3: how she was doing things with these kids, the trafficking
Speaker 3: and all, like she is still considered a saint right now?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, what does it even mean anymore?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, that's like just a weird,
Speaker 2: fucking fancy title. It's like I don't agree with calling
Speaker 2: a spiritual advisor a father because you know, it's just
Speaker 2: it's weird, and you know, you're I don't know, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to get into that. I've already talked about
Speaker 2: that before, but yeah, it's all strange. Whenever you look
Speaker 2: into the deep ties and certain connections that certain people
Speaker 2: had over the years, it starts to really reshape your
Speaker 2: thoughts about history, I think.
Speaker 3: Indeed indeed, and also just to kind of wrap up
Speaker 3: that last loose in the submarine map to get to
Speaker 3: the entrance to Hollow Earth. All right, here here's the
Speaker 3: entirety of what I could find on that with a
Speaker 3: lot of digging.
Speaker 1: The KGB has this document.
Speaker 3: Even though it has and this is the official narrative,
Speaker 3: it is clearly false. There's no way that's possible. There's
Speaker 3: nothing there about Bob bop okay allegedly.
Speaker 1: Off the record.
Speaker 3: Of course, Why does the KGB have this document? They
Speaker 3: say that it was recovered from a Nazi base when
Speaker 3: they were coming in from that front of the war,
Speaker 3: and they started finding these scientists and finding these laboratories.
Speaker 3: As much as the Allied forces on one side, the
Speaker 3: American forces were trying to get to Berlin. The Soviets
Speaker 3: were also racing to get to Berlin. It was a
Speaker 3: whole thing to see who would get there first, right,
Speaker 3: and so they were both snatching up these scientists and
Speaker 3: snatching up these documents and all these things. Apparently this
Speaker 3: document came from one of these bases, and it is
Speaker 3: a actual thing. Where did it come from? Allegedly the
Speaker 3: South Pole? Allegedly the South Pole the entrance to Hollow Earth,
Speaker 3: if we are to believe this document is only accessible
Speaker 3: via submarine at the South Pole. That being said, all
Speaker 3: official sources have discredited and said that it's not real,
Speaker 3: but the document still exists, so there's at least that
Speaker 3: kernel of truth.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, of course, the official documents are going
Speaker 2: to say that Hollow Earth doesn't exist, like you know,
Speaker 2: it's like, uh, it's like the official documents are going
Speaker 2: to say that NASA's never.
Speaker 1: Lied absolutely from Nazi scientists.
Speaker 3: Shockingly enough, right, but so all right, So there is
Speaker 3: basically the entire ins and outs of the Nazi occult symbolism,
Speaker 3: their uniforms being black, the red from the blood flag,
Speaker 3: the swastika itself coming from Ostara, which was a neopaganism,
Speaker 3: uh spin off with a little bit of Blovotsky thrown in.
Speaker 3: Even though she she was not a part of the Nazis.
Speaker 3: Keep that mind, I brought her up earlier, but she
Speaker 3: is not a Nazi in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 2: Like her, Hate her whatever you want.
Speaker 3: She's an occultist. She had some outlandish beliefs. Some people
Speaker 3: believed it to be facts. Some people thought it was
Speaker 3: interesting reading material. Take it for what you want. Okay,
Speaker 3: this wasn't about her, but we had to look at
Speaker 3: how and why Germany was actually taking this to heart,
Speaker 3: even though they were mostly Christian quote unquote, this culture
Speaker 3: of Nazism started sweeping the nation and these people started
Speaker 3: practicing it in their everyday life the same way, like,
Speaker 3: for instance, in America, the Christmas tree that is not
Speaker 3: a Christian image Christmas christ Mass is considered a Christian
Speaker 3: holiday by most Right now, you could say the winter
Speaker 3: holidays or whatever, but Christmas itself is a Christian holiday.
Speaker 3: But in America, we put up a tree, we have
Speaker 3: Santa Claus. It comes down the chimney guy with a
Speaker 3: red suit and he's got eight reindeer. These are cultural
Speaker 3: things that America just kind of has, right. Germany had
Speaker 3: their basis of whatever Germany had, but now they had
Speaker 3: this vibe of culturalism, this thing they had that was Nazism,
Speaker 3: that swayed the country into what it became. It's wild
Speaker 3: to look at how the sigil magic and the real
Speaker 3: occultism bled through into pretty much every home.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: I gotta say, I imagine whenever the United States is
Speaker 2: long gone and people are talking about it, like it's
Speaker 2: so far in the past that you don't know what's
Speaker 2: true and what's not, Like how we do with a
Speaker 2: lot of Roman shit, you know, well not necessarily Roman shit.
Speaker 2: But oh yeah, what was I thinking of the Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess I was like Trojan kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Well that's ancient Greece.
Speaker 3: But no, I'm glad you brought the Romans because I
Speaker 3: thought that was also an interesting thing too. Go ahead
Speaker 3: and finish your point. But like, while the while the
Speaker 3: Nazis were trying to exterminate an entire religion. The Romans
Speaker 3: did that to the Druids.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, I mean my point is is that, you know,
Speaker 2: I think that I think that whenever people are looking
Speaker 2: back at the United States, they're gonna think that, you know,
Speaker 2: we copied a lot off of you know, ancient rights
Speaker 2: and ancient traditions and stuff and try to make it
Speaker 2: ours and look at them. They thought they were so
Speaker 2: they thought that they thought that they were so you know,
Speaker 2: smart about you know, what they did. And I can't
Speaker 2: believe the majority of their people actually believe that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. How crazy, you know. So it's easy to
Speaker 2: sit there, you know, Monday morning quarterback and look back
Speaker 2: and say how stupid it was. But I mean, if
Speaker 2: the Nazis were never defeated, which some people say that
Speaker 2: maybe they weren't, but that's why NASA was started and
Speaker 2: all that fun jazz. But like, let's just say that
Speaker 2: Germany never really went down. I mean, we would be
Speaker 2: looking at that as if it was like some great
Speaker 2: crazy tradition. And imagine if Germany, you know, became that,
Speaker 2: what if Germany wasn't defeated. You know, it's like, tradition
Speaker 2: is what your people believe for you know, more than
Speaker 2: two generations, I think.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's fair two generations. By the third one,
Speaker 3: that's pretty much an entirely new world, especially in the
Speaker 3: last two hundred years. Like we're not talking the Middle Ages,
Speaker 3: where like it was pretty much the same type of
Speaker 3: technology and innovation that was rolling for about you know,
Speaker 3: eight hundred years give or take. But like, okay, to
Speaker 3: your point, also, man, it's interesting the Nazis used a
Speaker 3: lot of Roman imagery, or a lot of a lot
Speaker 3: of the principles of the Roman legionaires and the conquering
Speaker 3: the empire, all of these things, right, and they were
Speaker 3: doing this in a conquest way while exterminating an entire
Speaker 3: religious group. And I find that to be interesting because
Speaker 3: as we look towards as we brought the Catholic Church earlier,
Speaker 3: and how there was more connections than just one bro.
Speaker 3: The Romans did this to the Gauls, to the Druids. Okay, Now,
Speaker 3: Druidism that we think of is in Scotland and in
Speaker 3: Ireland and in these areas. But if you look at
Speaker 3: what areas were practicing this religion and had druids within
Speaker 3: their ethos.
Speaker 1: The Romans were fighting them.
Speaker 3: The Gauls in what we now call Germany or Germania
Speaker 3: at the time.
Speaker 1: Right, they were being led by their druid leaders.
Speaker 3: They're quote unquote snake worshipers, if you will, all these
Speaker 3: these sorcerers and all these things. And we know this
Speaker 3: because the Romans wrote about the Druid practices. That's where
Speaker 3: the whole thing about. And again there's nothing written about
Speaker 3: their practices from them. They tried, they carried it down orally,
Speaker 3: but the Romans were able to watch a few of
Speaker 3: their ceremonies. That's where we know where like the Golden
Speaker 3: Sye through they would go up with the scaffolding and
Speaker 3: like harvest and mistletoe for a certain festival and a
Speaker 3: certain thing. That's a Roman writing what he saw. Now,
Speaker 3: of course that's always through the Roman lens. But my
Speaker 3: point is we know nothing about the Druids because the
Speaker 3: Romans were successful, and then once the Roman Empire fell,
Speaker 3: the Roman Catholic Church picked up that charge, if you will,
Speaker 3: and then passed that on through to the last bastion
Speaker 3: of Druidism, which would be Ireland, right an island off
Speaker 3: of an island off of the mainland of Europe. So
Speaker 3: the last little remnants of true Druidism would be there.
Speaker 3: Oh but I forgot Saint Patrick came to Ireland and
Speaker 3: cast out all of the snakes into the sea. But
Speaker 3: those there's no snakes that have ever lived in Ireland. Naturally,
Speaker 3: that would be the Roman call to rid the world
Speaker 3: of the Druids. And it worked because we have no
Speaker 3: record of anything that they believed, or any of their
Speaker 3: practice or anything other than the Roman writings.
Speaker 1: It worked.
Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, the good guys always win, So there you go.
Speaker 3: So with that same type of mindset, he got the
Speaker 3: entire German people in a in a cult like following
Speaker 3: to drive behind his force to try to conquer the
Speaker 3: world real, doing it with sigil magic the entire way through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it sounds about right. And so whenever
Speaker 2: people say that, uh, certain political figures are literally hitler.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, you know what, you know what, not even
Speaker 3: a figure, not even a figure, an entire fucking party,
Speaker 3: all right, there is this whole rhetoric and I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna throw names or sides. People listeners to the cult
Speaker 3: of conspiracy know what's up.
Speaker 1: Okay, y'all know us. The fact that.
Speaker 3: Any party in America could be compared to Nazism at
Speaker 3: all is the laughable any even including doesn't matter name
Speaker 3: your side. The only one that could claim such a
Speaker 3: title would be like the American Nationalist Party, which is
Speaker 3: a all white party. They are racial supremacists, uh, not extremists,
Speaker 3: quote unquote, but it's white hate with a suit rather
Speaker 3: than a white hood, that's all it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I would probably call them the
Speaker 2: closest thing to a Nazi for sure.
Speaker 1: And that's they use Nazi rhetoric a lot.
Speaker 3: They americanize it and try to make it sound like
Speaker 3: something that you could kind of believe until you look
Speaker 3: at what book they're reading it from.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of minkoff.
Speaker 3: But beside the point that group, fine, you want to
Speaker 3: compare them to the Nazis, we could have that conversation.
Speaker 3: No candidate on the ballot this election cycle can possibly
Speaker 3: be compared to Hitler, I'm sorry, by no stretch of
Speaker 3: the imagination.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Hitler was the only one to literally
Speaker 2: be Hitler.
Speaker 3: Right right, or to even say some sort of a
Speaker 3: fascist dictator type and iron fisted type, and okay, look y'all,
Speaker 3: look y'all. That's like saying that the next great general.
Speaker 3: That's like saying Maddess is the new Napoleon. That's like
Speaker 3: saying that, you know was Rommel was the new.
Speaker 1: Hannibal Barka.
Speaker 3: Like, no, dude, that's not that's These are not fair
Speaker 3: comparisons by any fucking metrics. So I'm just saying, it's
Speaker 3: it's wild when people will do this. But if we do,
Speaker 3: if we do truly look at the parties, the two
Speaker 3: main ones in America right now, and we look at
Speaker 3: which side is silencing opposition, and we look at which
Speaker 3: side is only spewing one side of a rhetoric in
Speaker 3: an echo chamber style fashion and has their side their
Speaker 3: constituents in a very cult like hive mind.
Speaker 1: Right. Don't get me.
Speaker 3: Wrong, both sides have that when you look far enough
Speaker 3: on the spectrum. But when you look at the vast
Speaker 3: majority of the people that are flying a certain flag
Speaker 3: right now, it's interesting which side kind of lines up
Speaker 3: with more uh Nazi principles.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all about silencing and blame shifting and gas
Speaker 2: lighting and all that fun jazz. And you know, whenever
Speaker 2: you're claiming that the other party is exactly you know
Speaker 2: what you are doing and have done and probably plan
Speaker 2: to do. I don't know. It kind of seems like,
Speaker 2: you know, an unfair kind of game and very hypnotic.
Speaker 2: Dare I say, for those who don't necessarily have eyes
Speaker 2: to see, ears to hear, or a brain to fucking think.
Speaker 1: No doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 3: But all of that to say, dude, Hitler absolutely believed
Speaker 3: in the occult. He absolutely was a true through and
Speaker 3: through believer at one point in time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was I kind of just figured
Speaker 2: that was understood by most people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I did actually enjoy doing this deep dive
Speaker 3: and seeing like all of the connections, because I mean,
Speaker 3: we've talked about it, we've touched on it.
Speaker 1: This was good.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed this, and you know, especially as we're looking
Speaker 3: at the world for what it is right now, let's
Speaker 3: keep our eyes out and our third eyes open, if
Speaker 3: you will, for the sigil magic that may be just
Speaker 3: intrusively being shown to us every single day without our knowledge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to keep an eye open for that,
Speaker 2: because you're a fool if you think that that stuff
Speaker 2: is not still going on. Because most people don't, they
Speaker 2: don't look into the occult, you know, they just assume
Speaker 2: that that you know, that's old school and nobody's really
Speaker 2: practicing that anymore in practical magic, that's not really even
Speaker 2: a real thing. And the people that do believe in it, well,
Speaker 2: it's obviously of Satan, and you know, so I'm not
Speaker 2: going to look into Satan's work, and so it's like,
Speaker 2: now you're just taking everybody's word at it and you're
Speaker 2: not really doing any kind of deep research on it.
Speaker 2: But I mean, the best way to know the enemy
Speaker 2: is to study him, and that's what we do over here.
Speaker 1: Baby.
Speaker 3: That being said, what did you think about the book
Speaker 3: the magic book that he's reading? And I didn't know
Speaker 3: that that was literally within that book.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I've never read the book cover
Speaker 1: to cover.
Speaker 3: But and that wasn't the Magician or it was it was,
Speaker 3: And I don't know which magic book it was, but
Speaker 3: I do know the title of his magic and it
Speaker 3: did have a K and it straight up was talking
Speaker 3: about Satan being this force of good and evil, talking
Speaker 3: about if you don't have that within you, you can't
Speaker 3: create like and I understand that people can take spirituality
Speaker 3: in different regards, right, It's about perspective, it's about how
Speaker 3: you interpret it, all these things.
Speaker 1: But for Hitler to have those underlined inspecific and keep
Speaker 1: in mind, he was a confirmed Catholic and baptized and
Speaker 1: all of these things, so like he grew up at
Speaker 1: least knowing who Jesus was, you know. I mean maybe
Speaker 1: he prayed to Mary, but like he knew the Bible.
Speaker 1: So for him to go about it that way, what
Speaker 1: are your thoughts?
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised by it. And naturally, Alistair Crowley, if
Speaker 2: I'm not missaken, is the one who originally put the
Speaker 2: K put the K in magic to be able to
Speaker 2: signify which, uh whether it was you know, show magic
Speaker 2: or real quote unquote magic.
Speaker 3: And that was Crowley's book he's reading. Then that makes
Speaker 3: perfect problem. It was all about some Satan man, right.
Speaker 2: Right, That's what it's. You know, whenever you start getting
Speaker 2: into that Satanic kind of magic, it's like, I, I
Speaker 2: don't align with that kind of stuff. Obviously, I don't
Speaker 2: personally believe in Satan, and so, uh yeah, I think
Speaker 2: that it's really just all a call. It it's all
Speaker 2: it's all belief. It's all like you know, it's shock factor.
Speaker 2: But it's also trying to spit in the face of
Speaker 2: the people who who are Christians, and you know, it's
Speaker 2: kind of just playing upon their fears. So, you know,
Speaker 2: if you're really trying to be the Boogeyman to take
Speaker 2: over the world, what better face, especially to a Christian
Speaker 2: nation or a Jewish nation even then, to wear the
Speaker 2: mask of you know, the fucking original fallen Angel himself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I dude.
Speaker 3: And like I said, the Nazi ideology was this weird
Speaker 3: blend of neopaganism and Nordic traditions with Christianity, and they
Speaker 3: drew on Christian sources from the Old Testament to claim
Speaker 3: where the Arians came from from the Old Testament, and
Speaker 3: that dude who was a monk was leading the charge
Speaker 3: on all of this. So people were kind of like
Speaker 3: jiving with it because yeah, yeah, sure, why not that
Speaker 3: makes sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 3: Then the kids started learning it in school and they
Speaker 3: were coming home talking to their parents about it, and
Speaker 3: it just kind of like instilled.
Speaker 1: It was wild.
Speaker 3: It was fucking insane how strategic and meticulous it done.
Speaker 3: It was done, and I for one believed that it
Speaker 3: was done from the evil source.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 3: I do, in fact, believe in Satan and I believe
Speaker 3: that he was absolutely at work in Nazi Germany, like
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 2: Personally knowing that the Pope was having, you know, some
Speaker 2: sort of chimmunication with Hitler, it does not surprise me
Speaker 2: one bit because it is of my belief. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that it's absolutely right or wrong. I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that it's even documented. It's more of kind of a
Speaker 2: guess and maybe my intuitive feeling towards it. I believe
Speaker 2: that Satanism was created out of the Catholic Church and
Speaker 2: in order to scare people into the religion. That's my
Speaker 2: personal belief. And so the Pope aligning himself with Hitler
Speaker 2: at least to have some kind of conversation like that,
Speaker 2: that that kind of checks that block.
Speaker 3: Do you mean Anton Levey's Satanism or do you mean
Speaker 3: like the real Black Masses and all that type of Satanism?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: No, I mean yeah, I'm not talking about Anton LaVey.
Speaker 2: Fuck him.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean he's he's a way dude. You're
Speaker 1: telling me that that was created by the Catholics.
Speaker 3: There there was people who like, we're going against the
Speaker 3: grain for the sake of going against the grain, and
Speaker 3: we're just inverting everything the church did for that purpose.
Speaker 2: I mean, sure you're gonna have those people. Yeah, you're
Speaker 2: gonna have those people. But I feel like, you know
Speaker 2: what better way, dude, to get more people on your
Speaker 2: side than to create the fucking boogeyman yourself. It's the
Speaker 2: ultimate fucking scheme if you really think about it, I mean,
Speaker 2: think about the market, think about the Hegelian dialect. We
Speaker 2: talk about these things all the time. How do you
Speaker 2: get people to fucking believe and buy your bullshit? The
Speaker 2: best way to do it is to is to make
Speaker 2: them believe that they don't have, like that there is
Speaker 2: like a boogeyman chasing after you, that you know that
Speaker 2: this is the way to get to heaven and and
Speaker 2: not that you know what I mean. Like, I mean,
Speaker 2: I know that you don't necessarily agree, but my opinion
Speaker 2: on it is is like the best way to win
Speaker 2: the game is to control both sides of it.
Speaker 3: No, I get that, but like, if that was the case,
Speaker 3: they had their boogeyman, they had Darwinism breathing down their necks,
Speaker 3: and people were talking about like all these extra thought processes,
Speaker 3: Like the church was on the decline, they were like
Speaker 3: losing their grip because not just a small group of
Speaker 3: people in like hushed corners, most of Germany was already
Speaker 3: on this vibe.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of Europe was on this kick
Speaker 1: at this time.
Speaker 3: Like having a seance at your party was like a
Speaker 3: hip thing to do, so like this wasn't just like
Speaker 3: a there's a whole thing. So if that was the case,
Speaker 3: you're saying that the Catholic Church did that as well.
Speaker 2: I think that, And I think that if you can
Speaker 2: convince enough people who are quote unquote sinners, call them alcoholics,
Speaker 2: call them racists, call them drug addicts, call them wife beaters,
Speaker 2: call them whatever you want, and you can and you
Speaker 2: can convince the masses that those people are being inhabited
Speaker 2: by demons and we need to expel those demons out
Speaker 2: from you. I mean, you're literally you're playing both sides
Speaker 2: of the fence at that point, I think personally, because dude,
Speaker 2: now you're you're saying, well, there is only one game.
Speaker 2: There's only one board here, and no other pieces can
Speaker 2: can apply, Like you're not going to you know, like
Speaker 2: there are certain pieces to certain games that don't apply
Speaker 2: to other games. But if you control the entire board.
Speaker 2: It makes it fucking It's honestly a smart business move,
Speaker 2: and especially whenever you start looking into the tithe and
Speaker 2: all the money that the church is bringing in ten percent.
Speaker 2: If you start to lose ten percent, imagine you lost
Speaker 2: half of your customer base. Well, that means that the
Speaker 2: half of those people that were donating the ten percent
Speaker 2: to be able to fund your fucking church and all
Speaker 2: of your you know, all of your things and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. Well, I mean, look, you've already been trying
Speaker 2: to preach the good word. Their good word didn't fucking
Speaker 2: save people. Whenever people tune into the news, do they
Speaker 2: tune in for the good stuff or for the bad stuff.
Speaker 3: So you're saying that your boy ate off Lands, who
Speaker 3: was a Catholic monk and then started this entire thing,
Speaker 3: the Oh Star magazine, which is what led Hitler down
Speaker 3: this path originally, if we're gonna believe that story, you're
Speaker 3: saying that that was a Catholic plant to instill all
Speaker 3: of this to bring people very long con of them.
Speaker 3: But it's not the first time that they were trying
Speaker 3: to do this to scare people back into their faith.
Speaker 3: Because look at what happens when the world goes to
Speaker 3: the extreme other direction.
Speaker 1: Y'all beg I.
Speaker 3: Get your asses back to mass better get to that
Speaker 3: pew is that And I'm not saying that's crazy.
Speaker 1: I'm making sure I'm putting the piece together out loud.
Speaker 2: I think that that would be the ultimate conspiracy, and
Speaker 2: I can see that not being extremely far fetched. I mean, dude,
Speaker 2: I love Zachary King. I think is a great guy,
Speaker 2: but I personally think that he's a Catholic plan oh man.
Speaker 2: And I've said that before. Yeah, I think that, of course,
Speaker 2: especially whenever you look on sixty Minutes back in the
Speaker 2: fucking nineties, they're performing exorcisms and then you find out
Speaker 2: that it was all staged, Like why are you performing
Speaker 2: fake exorcisms?
Speaker 3: The same reason why in the nineties we watched Jerry
Speaker 3: Springer and WWE and it didn't like get talked about
Speaker 3: that it was fake until much later.
Speaker 1: It was daytime television man.
Speaker 2: Put on by the Catholic Church. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 2: what you got a fake? It's a funk to sell
Speaker 2: your to sell your bullshit.
Speaker 3: No, no, I agree that was a bad move for sure,
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, like TV, Yeah, the nineties were
Speaker 3: a weird time, let's be honest. But neither here nor there, right,
Speaker 3: But I disagree for the reason that Catholic priests were
Speaker 3: being killed and they were being rounded up and brought
Speaker 3: to concentration camps if it was some sort of a
Speaker 3: long con. It's the same thing with saying like the
Speaker 3: Jews were actually behind the Holocaust, and it's like, so
Speaker 3: they just like were cool with oh, maybe what sixty
Speaker 3: six million, maybe it was six thousand, Like hold on,
Speaker 3: on pause. You're saying that they were cool with letting
Speaker 3: their own people die to serve the greater good, and
Speaker 3: that's I personally just can't see that.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it didn't happen. I'm with the Catholic Church.
Speaker 3: If this was a long con, did they lose a
Speaker 3: couple thousand, maybe a couple thousand priests to the cause,
Speaker 3: but like they solidified their claim of like where they're at.
Speaker 3: But then again you find out the pope had back channels,
Speaker 3: and then we find out later on there was financial
Speaker 3: lines for these rat lines to help the Nazis escape
Speaker 3: persecution for war crimes after the war ended. That's what
Speaker 3: happened with Project paper Clip, and we know that to
Speaker 3: be a fact.
Speaker 1: Now, so it's like, fuck.
Speaker 2: I mean, Jacob, if you had an organization, let's say
Speaker 2: you started a fucking burger business, okay, and and your
Speaker 2: burger business turned into a fucking empire. And that empire,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like basically like your second to none.
Speaker 2: You're you're on top of even McDonald's. Let's just call
Speaker 2: it Jacob's burgers, okay. And these are the best well
Speaker 2: known burgers. Everybody loves them. They love how juicy and
Speaker 2: delicious and very pure. And there's no additives, there's none
Speaker 2: of that shit. It's just the best burger you can
Speaker 2: possibly sink your teeth into. And you build this empire,
Speaker 2: and it's not only known across the United States, it's
Speaker 2: known across the world. But then after a little while,
Speaker 2: people started look into your organization and they're like, well,
Speaker 2: what happened to one of these burger flippers? Turns out
Speaker 2: that they were like did he ever end up firing them? Well,
Speaker 2: no he didn't. He didn't end up Did I say racist,
Speaker 2: I meant to say rapist? Well, the burger flipper happened
Speaker 2: to be a rapist. Did Jacob end up end up
Speaker 2: firing the rapist? Well no, he just moved them to
Speaker 2: another work, another location, and and you know, and that's
Speaker 2: all we're gonna do with them. We're just gonna try
Speaker 2: and cover it up, you know, and hopefully know everybody
Speaker 2: forgets about it because we're moving it to a whole
Speaker 2: new place. Nobody knows this guy's name. The kind of thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm sorry, I wouldn't eat it, Nazi, but
Speaker 2: I wouldn't eat at your fucking burger restaurant anymore if
Speaker 2: I knew you were doing that is my point. As
Speaker 2: far as the Catholics connection to the fucking to the
Speaker 2: to the Nazis, that's all I was trying to say.
Speaker 3: I mean, there is absolutely connections with the Catholics Church,
Speaker 3: with the Vatican to the Nazis. But that's the other
Speaker 3: thing too. There was priests that were slaughtered. So it's like,
Speaker 3: was he in on that? Was he complicit on that?
Speaker 3: The pope I'm talking about was he didn't find that
Speaker 3: out until later?
Speaker 1: Did he?
Speaker 3: Like was just trying to let bygones be bygones because
Speaker 3: he honestly thought Hitler was going to win this thing,
Speaker 3: So like, whatever I got to do to keep this
Speaker 3: dude happy. Who knows who actually weren't.
Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, But weren't the the Catholics
Speaker 2: were the original people who were opposing the Jews, right, Like,
Speaker 2: wasn't it the Roman Catholics that that ended up killing Jesus?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 1: Or no? It was that? Wait?
Speaker 2: Who was it?
Speaker 1: I think that it was the.
Speaker 3: Roman soldiers are the ones that actually committed the act,
Speaker 3: but it was begged for by the Jewish people who
Speaker 3: were under Roman rule at the time. Speaking of which,
Speaker 3: the nails that pierced Jesus was also a relic that
Speaker 3: Hitler was sent to find. That's another thing. Also, the
Speaker 3: crown of Thorns, the whole nine everything.
Speaker 2: Right, So, I mean, this might be a crazy theory,
Speaker 2: and hopefully it doesn't get me canceled. I'm just a
Speaker 2: conspiracy theorist. But what if the Catholic were working with
Speaker 2: the fucking Nazis to try and expel the Jews as
Speaker 2: the top religion of the world.
Speaker 1: But the Jews weren't the top religion at that time?
Speaker 3: If I mean, Okay, as far as the banks go
Speaker 3: or stuff like that, and the conspiracy theories behind this
Speaker 3: with you one hundred percent all day, we could talk
Speaker 3: about it. But as far as like their numbers go.
Speaker 3: It's not like they were taking over by any means.
Speaker 3: They were already being shit on in most of the
Speaker 3: countries where they were at the reason why the German
Speaker 3: banking system was like taken over by the UH by
Speaker 3: the Rothschild was because in Frankfurt, where they were started from,
Speaker 3: the Jews weren't allowed to sell or do anything with
Speaker 3: produce or with meat or with industry, so they were
Speaker 3: only allowed to do certain jobs. One of them was
Speaker 3: clerical work and money work, banking and things like that.
Speaker 3: They excel at the practice, and that's just kind of
Speaker 3: how that spawned. So it's not like they were welcomed
Speaker 3: or just like, oh yeah, it's just your neighbor down
Speaker 3: the street, he's Jewish but whatever.
Speaker 1: No, they were seen as.
Speaker 3: Like the the underlings for sure, long before Hitler came
Speaker 3: into fruition. But that's my point. They already had their
Speaker 3: boogeyman kind of built in. All he did was just
Speaker 3: radicalize it.
Speaker 1: Eh.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I'm just kind of trying
Speaker 2: to think outside the box and you know, just get weird.
Speaker 1: Whereas there's no logic to this.
Speaker 3: The Nazi ideologies and their specific brand of occultism, right,
Speaker 3: there was no real logic put into it. There was
Speaker 3: a little bit from here, a little bit from there,
Speaker 3: a little bit of a blend from here.
Speaker 1: But make sure it's Aran and like just send it.
Speaker 3: And the people of Germany were so starved for something
Speaker 3: to cling on to that they all kind of just
Speaker 3: went along with it. That's why all these people at
Speaker 3: the end of the war, they couldn't even believe like
Speaker 3: they were cool with this, And you had so many
Speaker 3: people that were like waking up to it later on
Speaker 3: that like, wow, we were seriously like cheering this guy
Speaker 3: on when he was saying this type of wild shit,
Speaker 3: like they we had a lot of issues with that,
Speaker 3: which is why Germany still to this day has a
Speaker 3: weird time talking about what was going down in their
Speaker 3: country at this time.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm just going for the useful idiot kind
Speaker 2: of side story here as far as like, I mean, look,
Speaker 2: we all know that Israel, like the fucking Israel created Hamas, right,
Speaker 2: and you know, essentially America helped create isis right, Like
Speaker 2: we don't align with beliefs, but like the enemy of
Speaker 2: my enemy is my friend. And if we can use
Speaker 2: these useful idiots to try and push forward maybe whatever
Speaker 2: our plans are.
Speaker 3: Well, let's be honest here, it's not like the Nazis
Speaker 3: were against doing that.
Speaker 1: You could look at the agreement that.
Speaker 3: Was made between the Nazis and the Soviet Union before
Speaker 3: Russia went back and like you know, went to the
Speaker 3: Allied side. They first were on Hitler side. Stalin and
Speaker 3: Hitler knew each other, they were cool. And when they
Speaker 3: decided to sign up with the Axis powers, they led
Speaker 3: a pogrom in Russia and slaughtered their Jewish population. That
Speaker 3: was a whole thing that took place. They hunted them
Speaker 3: through the snow with dogs and shit. Right, and this
Speaker 3: is allegedly over o. You have to where did that
Speaker 3: story come from? Look, you could look up the statistics
Speaker 3: on how many Jews were and were not in Russia
Speaker 3: before and after World War Two.
Speaker 1: It's not that hard to find.
Speaker 3: But that being said, they only went on the Allied
Speaker 3: side when the Nazis went back on their promise.
Speaker 1: That was pretty much it.
Speaker 3: So it's not like Hitler was against going with somebody
Speaker 3: who was like enemy of my enemy is my friend
Speaker 3: type of thing to accomplish the goal. Could it be
Speaker 3: that there was also an enemy of my enemy in Italy,
Speaker 3: because keep in mind Mussolini Italy, he was where fascism started.
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, the word fascist comes from.
Speaker 3: Uh you ever see the depiction of an axe or
Speaker 3: like a whole bundle of sticks with the axe blade
Speaker 3: sticking out the Romans would carry. That's called a fascisto okay,
Speaker 3: And that's where the term fascism comes from. That was
Speaker 3: a symbol of, like I reign supreme fucking authority. This
Speaker 3: is the symbol of that that I carry with me
Speaker 3: and my entourage for that purpose. So Mussolini is really
Speaker 3: where the term fascism came from. Rome being in Italy,
Speaker 3: the Vatican and the Roman and the It excuse me,
Speaker 3: the Vatican and the Italian powers that be always have
Speaker 3: a really tight connection, seeing as how the Italian powers
Speaker 3: that be and Hitler had a tight connection. Is it
Speaker 3: crazy to postulate that that kind of secondhand went through
Speaker 3: there as well?
Speaker 1: Look who knows? Who even knows?
Speaker 2: Hey, Look, we're just conspiracy theorists. Where we're here theorizing
Speaker 2: conspiracies as conspiracy theorists do. And I mean, look, I
Speaker 2: think that it's definitely worth looking into. It's fun to
Speaker 2: think about all the what ifs and and all that
Speaker 2: fun stuff. And I honestly, I believe that it's necessary
Speaker 2: that we that we question all of the quote unquote
Speaker 2: understood narratives of the past, because I don't think we're
Speaker 2: ever gonna get the full story. I think that there's
Speaker 2: always probably kernels of truth in every little bit of history,
Speaker 2: not man, not one hundred percent of the time, but
Speaker 2: probably most of the time. And I think that if
Speaker 2: you're trying to make yourself look like the good guy,
Speaker 2: you're gonna make yourself look like the good guy by
Speaker 2: any means, and you're also, by doing so, you're gonna
Speaker 2: make the bad guy look very bad by any means.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's some third eye logic.
Speaker 1: I think I agree.
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Speaker 2: watching this. These crazy Shenanigans live, and I'm sure we're
Speaker 2: going to be adding to the Shenanigans as we do
Speaker 2: so all the good cult members. I mean, it's always
Speaker 2: a great time you want to be able to join that.
Speaker 2: As we said, there is a free week if you
Speaker 2: want to just join this week and tell us to
Speaker 2: go fuck ourselves for forever after that, that's totally fine too.
Speaker 2: That would we welcome that. So we love all the
Speaker 2: good Cult members out there, whether you're listening or watching,
Speaker 2: and uh yeah, get ready baby, because it's about to
Speaker 2: go down. But anyhow, with all of that being said,
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