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While 23 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,759 the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles 24 00:02:16,759 --> 00:02:19,759 Police Department, you will travel step by step on the 25 00:02:19,759 --> 00:02:22,240 side of the law through an actual case. Transcribed from 26 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,879 official police silence, from beginning to end, from crime to punishment. 27 00:02:27,319 --> 00:02:30,000 Dragnet is the story of your police force and action. 28 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,719 Speaker 4: It was Wednesday, April second, was windy in Los Angeles. 29 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,520 We were working early morning watch on a homicide. My 30 00:02:39,599 --> 00:02:42,719 partner's Ben Romero. The Boss'stad Brown, Chief Detectives. My name 31 00:02:42,759 --> 00:02:45,360 is Friday. I was on the way back from communications. 32 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,000 That was five twenty five am when I got to 33 00:02:47,080 --> 00:03:20,000 Room forty two homicide. 34 00:03:21,199 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: Hello is this Miss Jones? 35 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:26,879 Speaker 5: Is Joe Friday. I'm sorry to buy him. Miss Jones? 36 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 2: Is Lee there? Oh yes, Joe, just a minute, I'll 37 00:03:29,719 --> 00:03:30,240 wake him. 38 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 6: Lee Lee, Honey, it's Joe Friday. 39 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:44,039 Speaker 4: He wants to talk to him. Yeah, Joe, I'm sorry 40 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,439 to wake you. Can you come down right away? Got 41 00:03:46,439 --> 00:03:48,319 a call from fire headquarters a couple of minutes ago. 42 00:03:48,919 --> 00:03:50,360 They had a fire in a rooming house over on 43 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,360 Seventh Street. They found two dead bodies, in one of 44 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,960 the rooms. Well, the battalion chief doesn't think so. They 45 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:57,840 found both bodies on the bed. There was evidence of 46 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:58,680 arson in the room. 47 00:03:58,960 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 7: What kind of proof of that? 48 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,319 Speaker 4: The victims, that's why we called you. Fire department thinks 49 00:04:03,319 --> 00:04:10,520 they were dead before the fire started. Five thirty am, 50 00:04:10,639 --> 00:04:12,360 Romero and I drove out to the rooming house on 51 00:04:12,439 --> 00:04:14,639 Seventh Street, was a two story building in the middle 52 00:04:14,639 --> 00:04:17,800 of the block between South Grand and Toledo Avenue. On 53 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,879 one side of it was a small transient hotel, and 54 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,480 the other a building which housed a book binding firm 55 00:04:22,519 --> 00:04:25,879 and studios for an acrobatic dancing school. When we got there, 56 00:04:25,879 --> 00:04:28,519 the salvage crew was still working. We were directed to 57 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,120 the second floor, where we met with a man in 58 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:32,639 charge from the fire department, battatty In Chief Sullivan. 59 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,079 Speaker 2: It's right down the hall here. Watch your step there. 60 00:04:42,319 --> 00:04:43,439 Speaker 5: You have the names of the victims. 61 00:04:43,519 --> 00:04:43,759 Speaker 2: Chief. 62 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,879 Speaker 8: We think it's Guthrie, mister and missus Charles Guthrie old 63 00:04:47,959 --> 00:04:55,759 Coels who lived here for some time. I understand, Oh yeah, I. 64 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 2: We figure that's where it started, right under the bed 65 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,319 over there. Heap must have been terrific. Under the walls. 66 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 5: This is where most of the damage was done. 67 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:02,959 Speaker 2: Ye. 68 00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 8: No rooms on both sides got it too. Not as 69 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,439 bad as this though. Guthries had two rooms, this and 70 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,680 the one adjoining through the door that when the fire 71 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,040 starts got on the idea about a quarter to five, 72 00:05:14,079 --> 00:05:16,439 I'd say a landlady smelled the smoke about ten to five, 73 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:17,240 put in the alarm. 74 00:05:17,399 --> 00:05:18,959 Speaker 2: Fire was out three minutes after five. 75 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,079 Speaker 4: Any other casualties besides the Guthries, I mean, no, just 76 00:05:22,079 --> 00:05:25,480 a too Okay, go. 77 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: Run the bed here, m yeah, well the worst I've seen. 78 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:37,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty bad. 79 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 4: Well, Ben, you can see from the position of the 80 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,120 two bodies doesn't look to me like the suffol kidd mm. 81 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,839 No evidence that they tried to get out of the room, 82 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:46,879 both relaxed. 83 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 5: Looks like somebody did them in then tried to cover 84 00:05:48,759 --> 00:05:50,160 with arsen n chief. 85 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 8: Yeah on the floor there, Oh yeah, parrot, somebody rung 86 00:05:54,639 --> 00:05:56,240 its neck, looks like to me and then throw it 87 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:56,920 there on the floor. 88 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 4: There's the empty cage there in the corner and doors 89 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,279 of 'em set. 90 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, Wine subs still talking to the landlady. 91 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,959 Speaker 8: He hasn't come back. Clyde likely to meet Friday and Rabello. Sorry, 92 00:06:09,079 --> 00:06:11,920 Friday and Ramera homicide detail. This is Clyde wine from 93 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:15,000 the Arsen squint. You want to show him that set 94 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,519 up Clyde, how it was touched off. 95 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 4: I'm glad to you can take a look under the 96 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:20,879 bed there tells most of the story. 97 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:27,439 Speaker 2: You see directly underneath that h what is that wine? 98 00:06:27,519 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 4: Pretty charred rags and papers had a good soaking and 99 00:06:31,079 --> 00:06:34,040 kerosene before they were touched off, strung out all under 100 00:06:34,079 --> 00:06:34,519 the bed here. 101 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 2: Couldn't miss her through. Guy whoever set it up. Most 102 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,240 of the carpeting in the room was douts with kerosene too. 103 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 8: As much you can kind of. And the man who 104 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,120 touched it off. And there's something about timing devices. You 105 00:06:46,199 --> 00:06:47,759 want to show him that rig clide. 106 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:54,399 Speaker 2: Right here, Yeah, ordinary electric heater. This automatic timer was 107 00:06:54,439 --> 00:06:57,759 connected to it then plugged in. Heater was placed under 108 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,360 the bed right next to the rags and papers. Timer 109 00:07:00,439 --> 00:07:04,519 was set probably for about four forty five am. Timer 110 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,000 let go on schedule. Eater warmed up, rags and papers 111 00:07:08,079 --> 00:07:10,079 caught fire, then the mattress. 112 00:07:11,319 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 5: You can see the rest for yourself. 113 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,439 Speaker 2: That time a pretty intricate way man who put it together. 114 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,720 There was no amateur, as the chief said, must have 115 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,759 known something about clockwork. Yeah, Mac, excuse me, I'll be 116 00:07:23,759 --> 00:07:24,279 back in a minute. 117 00:07:24,399 --> 00:07:25,879 Speaker 5: Too bad. That's very lest. 118 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,639 Speaker 4: You find anything else it might die in g not 119 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,600 in this room. No, did parrot there door the cage 120 00:07:33,639 --> 00:07:36,240 of the Probably a pet might have been out of 121 00:07:36,279 --> 00:07:38,639 the cage at the time of the fire. It's possible 122 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,920 the parrot could have suffocated, chief not from what I 123 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:42,759 can see. No, as I say, it looks to me 124 00:07:42,839 --> 00:07:45,480 like somebody wrung the bird's neck. A few green feathers 125 00:07:45,519 --> 00:07:50,000 on the floor there. That's the joining room in Moore. 126 00:07:50,360 --> 00:08:00,279 Speaker 8: Okay, I figure that Guthries used it as a sitting room. Yeah, 127 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,399 you see the fire didn't wipe out everything. 128 00:08:04,279 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 5: Joe, Come on, mate, Right. 129 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 4: This carpet here with the door, dark stains. 130 00:08:15,319 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: What do you think could be blood? Heavy stains? 131 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,759 Speaker 4: Sure enough of them, looks like more of 'em by 132 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,000 the desk there, some on the wall. 133 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:30,399 Speaker 2: Too, desk drawers open here. 134 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:31,319 Speaker 5: Yeah, I see that. 135 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,399 Speaker 8: It's about it, you know as much as we do 136 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:36,360 so far. Yeah, we know how the fire was touched off. 137 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,159 Were satisfied didn't kill those two people in there? The 138 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,200 boys Marsian squad talking to the other rumors in the 139 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,440 building right now, you can check with them. Okay, Well, 140 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:44,320 thank you very much, Chiane. 141 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: I certainly appreciate not at all usual brakes, isn't it? 142 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:49,279 How's that? 143 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:56,759 Speaker 4: This is fire Prevention Week five fifty three am. Lieutenant 144 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:58,840 Lee Jones and the crew from the Crime I have arrived. 145 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,840 Davis the photogh for Dean Bergmann from Layton Prince. Pictures 146 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,519 were taken of both rooms which made up mister and 147 00:09:04,519 --> 00:09:05,879 Missus Guthrie's living quarters. 148 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:07,639 Speaker 5: Photographs of the bodies were taken. 149 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:11,639 Speaker 4: Bergmann processed for fingerprints while Lee Jones continued his investigation. 150 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,759 Ben and I went down the hall to the landlady's apartment, 151 00:09:13,919 --> 00:09:15,679 where we met with Ray Schubert, one of the men 152 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:16,639 from the Arson Squad. 153 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:20,159 Speaker 9: These met her from Homicide Division, Sergeant Friday from marro 154 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:21,759 missus dead min That. 155 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 6: Right, yes, Claras Diadman. How do you do I managed 156 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,600 the house here? Would either of you care for a 157 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:28,120 cup of tea? 158 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 2: No thing? 159 00:09:28,759 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 5: I wouldn't care for him. When did you last see 160 00:09:30,639 --> 00:09:31,480 mister and missus Guthrie? 161 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 6: Man, Well, now let me see missus Guthrie. I saw 162 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,480 her just before dinner last night, a little before six. 163 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,960 I went into barroneag and a cup of flour. She 164 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:42,480 was all right? 165 00:09:42,519 --> 00:09:42,799 Speaker 5: Then? 166 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 2: Was there anyone with her? 167 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 5: No, Firshi was alone. What about mister Guthrie? When'd you 168 00:09:47,399 --> 00:09:48,039 last see him? 169 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: At seven thirty? 170 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 6: I looked out my window and I saw him closing 171 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:53,480 up the parking lot. 172 00:09:54,159 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 5: Did the Guthries have any visitors at all yesterday? Do 173 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:56,720 you remember that? 174 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,639 Speaker 6: Oh? Just what I know of Jack Marshman. He's working 175 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,279 for mister Guthrie about a year. 176 00:10:03,279 --> 00:10:06,039 Speaker 5: And now when did Marshman visit the Guthries? 177 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 2: Do you know? 178 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 6: Round four yesterday afternoon? Yes, I was there too, Visus 179 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:13,879 Guthrie and Jack and I had a cup of tea together, 180 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,720 and then Jack left to go back to work, and 181 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:17,399 then I left. 182 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 9: You didn't notice anyone else in or near the Guthrie 183 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:20,840 rooms after that? 184 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:21,759 Speaker 5: No. 185 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,279 Speaker 6: I had my dinner and listened to a radio play, 186 00:10:27,279 --> 00:10:29,399 and then I went off to bed. 187 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:31,879 Speaker 5: Oh, I know you're upset, Missus Stedman. 188 00:10:31,919 --> 00:10:33,519 Speaker 4: But can you think of anybody who might have wanted 189 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:35,000 to do away with the Guthries, anybody who had a 190 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:35,879 reason to do them hard? 191 00:10:36,399 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 6: As far as I know, Sergeant, they didn't have an 192 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:44,919 enemy in the world. I guess I was wrong. It's terrible, terrible. 193 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 2: To nice, ma'am. We leave our card here. 194 00:10:47,279 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 4: Wait all right if you want to contact, just don't 195 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,080 hesitate to call anytime. All right, thank you, thank you, 196 00:10:53,200 --> 00:11:03,159 Miss Stedman. Goodbye, ma'am, good gry. What time you got 197 00:11:04,039 --> 00:11:05,879 six fifteen? It's pretty early. 198 00:11:06,159 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 5: They ought to be. 199 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 4: Able to post the bodies for us this morning, say Friday. 200 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:12,559 Oh yes, gee, Jones, your crime lab man's looking for you. 201 00:11:12,759 --> 00:11:14,399 Speaker 5: Thank you. Ben you called the corner. 202 00:11:14,799 --> 00:11:16,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on his way over. 203 00:11:22,159 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 7: Lee, all right, I'm looking for you. Got a few things. Yeah, 204 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,720 what's that this hammer punted over in the corner under 205 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,200 some of the rubble. He stains on the metal handle 206 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,960 here on the head, gave it the Benzdine test his 207 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,039 blood and figures to murder weapon. 208 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: I have no more. 209 00:11:41,639 --> 00:11:43,919 Speaker 7: When to get the corner's report, Berkman looked a lot 210 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,840 of nice prints, a lot of them all over everything. Yeah, 211 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,120 on the handle of this hammer, on that timing contraption 212 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,200 over there, the one that touched off the fire. Even 213 00:11:53,279 --> 00:11:55,240 left some in the next room on that metal box 214 00:11:55,279 --> 00:11:58,399 and draw the dead. That good Prince rometri and they match. 215 00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:08,039 Go on the next room. Something right, Yeah, those stains 216 00:12:08,039 --> 00:12:11,000 on the coppet by the door, the stains on the 217 00:12:11,039 --> 00:12:14,840 coppet by the desk, those on the wall, blood stains, 218 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,320 all of them. You can see here, sail of stains, 219 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:20,120 all leading through the door into the murder room. 220 00:12:20,519 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 4: You figure they were murdered in here, and then the 221 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:23,440 killer took the bodies in the next room and put 222 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:24,159 him on their bed, and. 223 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 2: Then he said fire to cover up. That's my guess. 224 00:12:26,039 --> 00:12:27,799 Speaker 7: How about the prints on the box in the desk, 225 00:12:27,799 --> 00:12:29,399 and might have been money in the box? 226 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 5: Possible burger. 227 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:31,879 Speaker 2: That's an angle. 228 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 7: I'll take scrapings from these stains on a biological precipitate 229 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:36,360 when I get back to the lab. 230 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 2: I'll let you know how it times out. I'd just 231 00:12:38,159 --> 00:12:39,320 stop finishing. 232 00:12:38,919 --> 00:12:43,639 Speaker 4: Up rightly, Thanks very much. Well, that looks like we're 233 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,799 in fair of shape. A hammer, a couple of fingerprints, right, yes, Hubert, 234 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:51,840 My father. 235 00:12:51,639 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 9: Worked from mister Guthrie in the parking lot. Jack Marshman 236 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:54,399 just got here. 237 00:12:54,399 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 5: Did you talk to him? 238 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 2: Why? 239 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 9: And I having one of the empty rooms down the hall? 240 00:12:57,919 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 5: Thanks? Which way down here? 241 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 4: It seems pretty well broken up he talked to anyone 242 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:05,879 besides using to get here? 243 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,159 Speaker 9: No, I told him the guts we're dead, that's all. 244 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,519 He's taking it pretty hard. Which one I hear? 245 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 2: As friends I had Charlie Water. I knew I should 246 00:13:21,039 --> 00:13:23,399 have stayed with him. I knew I should have. These 247 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,279 men are from homicide, mister Marshman, Sergeant Friday, Sergeant Romerow. 248 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 5: You know, mister Marsham, how are you? 249 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: I don't know what I can tell you. I can't 250 00:13:32,799 --> 00:13:35,840 understand or Charlie what. 251 00:13:39,159 --> 00:13:39,279 Speaker 4: Well? 252 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,279 Speaker 2: What can I do to help? Would like to have 253 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,159 you answer a few questions if you don't mind, you 254 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:49,000 certainly certain anything to help out it? Please? You gotta 255 00:13:49,039 --> 00:13:50,840 find out whoever did it. You got to find out 256 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:51,279 who killed. 257 00:13:51,399 --> 00:13:53,759 Speaker 4: We're gonna try, mister Marsham. Now would you tell us 258 00:13:53,759 --> 00:13:55,360 the last time you saw that Guffy's alive? 259 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 2: Sure, Bud. Missus Guthrie about oh four point fifteen yesterday, 260 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:06,840 have to know him. Me and missus Studman. She's a landlady. 261 00:14:06,879 --> 00:14:10,000 We had tea with her and I went back to 262 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,600 help mister Guthrie at the parking lot. When's the last 263 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,639 time you saw him? Oh, it's about six thirty. So 264 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,360 when I get off duty at the lder, I said 265 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,559 goodbye to Charlie I never dawned on him. It was 266 00:14:21,559 --> 00:14:25,840 the last time I'd see him alive. I just can't understand. 267 00:14:25,879 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 4: It's such a vicious thing, Charlie Martin, very terrible. 268 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 5: Yes, sir, you won't just sit down there, mister Marshall. 269 00:14:32,759 --> 00:14:37,879 Speaker 2: Oh, thanks you much? Right? 270 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,039 Speaker 4: Yeah? Are you sure you're the only one who talked 271 00:14:41,039 --> 00:14:43,720 to Marshman? Since that's right, I met him at the 272 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:46,039 door downstairs. Well, the only thing you told him was 273 00:14:46,039 --> 00:14:48,600 that the Guthries were dead. That's all he got from us. 274 00:14:48,799 --> 00:14:50,320 Any chance he could have been in the room since 275 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,559 the fire, not a chance. And how do you know 276 00:14:52,639 --> 00:15:02,960 somebody killed him? 277 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 10: You are listening to dragnett authentic stories of your police 278 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:07,399 force and action. 279 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 4: Wednesday, April second, six forty five, Am Lee Jones and 280 00:15:17,279 --> 00:15:19,679 his men completed their investigation and took their findings back 281 00:15:19,679 --> 00:15:21,399 to the crime lab for further examination. 282 00:15:21,919 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 5: The Deputy Coroner arrived and removed the. 283 00:15:23,639 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 4: Bodies of mister and Missus Guthrie to the County Morgue, 284 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,000 together with Clyde Wyant and Ray Shubert of the Arson squad. 285 00:15:29,039 --> 00:15:31,799 Ben and I continued questioning the Guthrie's friend and employee, 286 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,000 Jack Marshman, his answers got more confused, and he kept 287 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,360 contradicting himself. In some ways, he seemed childlike, in others 288 00:15:38,399 --> 00:15:41,720 a good deal more complex. We strung along. In order 289 00:15:41,759 --> 00:15:43,480 to keep up the pretense that he was not a suspect. 290 00:15:43,559 --> 00:15:45,039 We asked him to come along with us while we 291 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,840 checked his living quarters, a two room basement apartment near 292 00:15:47,879 --> 00:15:50,840 Olympic in South Flower. Who explained it as a routine check, 293 00:15:51,039 --> 00:15:52,600 Marshman was calm and self assured. 294 00:15:54,399 --> 00:15:56,879 Speaker 2: Wow here it is save yourself. 295 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, nice comfortable play. I like been here for about 296 00:16:01,559 --> 00:16:03,840 three years. All this room is where I do my living. 297 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:05,840 Pulled down bed. It's a little gas plate over there. 298 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,000 It's handy compact. 299 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 5: H I see. What do you use this next room for? 300 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 4: Here? 301 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,919 Speaker 2: Jam, it's my shop I like to put around You 302 00:16:13,919 --> 00:16:21,440 care to see it? Yeah, okay, mm hmm. It's very nice. 303 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,600 What's your hobby? Watchmaking? Here? Used to be a watchmaker. 304 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,759 I've worked at it later on. Job is pretty hard 305 00:16:26,759 --> 00:16:27,080 to find. 306 00:16:27,799 --> 00:16:32,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, these parts here on the bench you making something? 307 00:16:32,759 --> 00:16:35,919 Speaker 4: Jack, just fooling around all alarm clock Down'm fixing it 308 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:36,759 up for friends. 309 00:16:37,159 --> 00:16:39,159 Speaker 5: All these wires and things, they all go into the works. 310 00:16:39,159 --> 00:16:42,159 Speaker 2: Something more or less year. Just something that's falling around. 311 00:16:42,159 --> 00:16:44,279 It gives me busy, you know, I like a hobby. 312 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:45,320 There say it's good. 313 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:46,159 Speaker 5: For you, that's what they say. 314 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, where does this dog? Marshom? 315 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,639 Speaker 4: It's my closet, just some clothes and stuff and they're 316 00:16:50,639 --> 00:16:54,159 just junk. But it's only a closet. They're just clothes 317 00:16:54,159 --> 00:16:55,120 and junk. Is that in the sea? 318 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,039 Speaker 5: Say Jack? Do you usually keep this stuff around? 319 00:16:58,759 --> 00:17:03,679 Speaker 4: Huh? Oh it's uh it's kerosene and it's pretty dangerous 320 00:17:03,679 --> 00:17:04,400 a store like this. 321 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:05,519 Speaker 5: There's no cap on it. 322 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 4: I'm glad you reminded me. I got to get a 323 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,480 cap for that. I used to wash up. 324 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: Dirty working around the bench. This shirt is trisy, Jack. 325 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,799 Speaker 4: I wish you wouldn't drive get stuff. I would of 326 00:17:15,799 --> 00:17:16,960 gets my stuff all mixed up. 327 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're mine, and I figured it's dangerous. Quite a 328 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:22,759 few of them. Uh, some kind of pain I was using. 329 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:23,880 I'm pretty sloppy with pain. 330 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,839 Speaker 4: It's no pain, is a jack. It's looked like blood 331 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:30,799 to me. What difference does it make it working clothes? 332 00:17:31,039 --> 00:17:32,759 I think for your reason was in a day? Why 333 00:17:32,759 --> 00:17:35,680 don't you lay off? Who cares what kind of stain 334 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,400 it is? You're coming here, snooping around, looking all around. 335 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 2: I invited. 336 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 4: You know, I didn't give you the place. This is 337 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,720 my apartment, this is my shop. You can get out, Yeah, 338 00:17:44,759 --> 00:17:46,000 I mean you, both of you can get out. 339 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 5: It's a matter of jack. 340 00:17:47,799 --> 00:17:48,839 Speaker 2: I said, you can get out. 341 00:17:48,759 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 5: All right. You want to tell us before we go, 342 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,079 I'll tell you what why you killed the Guthries. 343 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 2: What do you mean Why. 344 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 5: Did you kill mister MSUs Guthrie? 345 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,039 Speaker 2: No reason, I just did. 346 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 5: Nine am. 347 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 4: We put the stain clothing in the materials from the 348 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,279 workbench in the car, together with the suspect. We headed 349 00:18:12,279 --> 00:18:15,000 back for the office. On the way, Marshman was quiet. 350 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,279 He asked for some breakfast. We stopped and bought him 351 00:18:17,279 --> 00:18:19,920 some ham and eggs. We tried to get him to talk, 352 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,079 he refused. After breakfast, we dropped the stain clothing and 353 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:24,440 the other things of the crime lab, and then we 354 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,279 drove to the City Hall. We parked the car in 355 00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:28,279 front of the Spring Street entrance and started up the stairs. 356 00:18:31,839 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, we'll draw. I've been thinking, yeah, it's 357 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,119 all a mistake. What is I didn't know what I 358 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,680 was talking about. I didn't kill him. 359 00:18:42,319 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 4: Ninety seven am then and I took the suspect into 360 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:45,960 the interrogation room. 361 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 5: We checked him through R and I. He had a 362 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,640 record of two petty thefts the year before. We went 363 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,519 back to the interrogation room and got on the phone. 364 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,640 We called Layton. Fingerprints. 365 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: We made him Joe the prints on the hammer, the 366 00:18:57,279 --> 00:18:59,319 timing device in the middle box in the desk. 367 00:18:59,559 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 5: They long to Marshman. Ten oh three am. I call 368 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:04,000 the County Morgue. 369 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 9: What is identified as mister and missus Charles Guthrie. Cause 370 00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:10,319 of death Missus Guthrie, multiple depressed fractures of the skull, 371 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,759 subarachnoid hemorrhage, blunt instrument. Cause of death, Mister Guthrie about 372 00:19:14,799 --> 00:19:17,359 the same compressions of the brain in the occipital area 373 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:18,680 around the brain stem. 374 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,079 Speaker 5: Ten twenty five am. I put in a call to 375 00:19:21,079 --> 00:19:22,480 the Lee Jones at the crime lab. 376 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,759 Speaker 2: The material from the work bench are the same that 377 00:19:24,839 --> 00:19:27,240 went into that automatic time at Joe used together the 378 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:28,920 cut ends of some of the wires. They match. 379 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 4: How about the stains on his clothes human blood? Ten 380 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,480 forty five am. We laid it out for the suspect, 381 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:35,480 step by step. 382 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 2: Let me rest her well off, feel better, Let me think. 383 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 5: We stayed with him. We waited. Eleven twenty am the 384 00:19:41,759 --> 00:19:43,000 suspect opened his eyes. 385 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 4: Sorry, yeah, I want to talk about it. Eleven twenty 386 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,799 five am. Schubert and Wyant from the Arsonal squad joined 387 00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:54,599 us were called in one of the stenographers to take 388 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,480 Marshman's statement Eleanor Eastlade. 389 00:19:56,839 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 5: She automatically took down the time, the place, and those present. 390 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 4: This is me, So she's like, she's gonna record your 391 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,279 statements so there'll be no misunderstanding as to what you 392 00:20:04,279 --> 00:20:05,000 say at this time. 393 00:20:05,319 --> 00:20:08,839 Speaker 2: How are you doing now? Yoh, you want to handle 394 00:20:08,839 --> 00:20:10,720 the question all right? 395 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 4: Jack, We've got a few preliminaries here for you. Okay, 396 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:18,960 John Everett Marshaman that's your true name. 397 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:19,759 Speaker 2: Yeah. 398 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 5: Where do you live? 399 00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:23,039 Speaker 2: One two and a half Morgan Place, parvm B. 400 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 5: What's your age? Very center, occupation? 401 00:20:25,799 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 2: Watchmaker? When I'm working well on, Jack. 402 00:20:28,599 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 4: You've vindicated to us in the previous conversation that you're 403 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,200 willing to make a statement setting forth the true facts 404 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,480 surrounding the death of mister MSUs Chiles Guthrie. 405 00:20:35,519 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 2: That's right. I'll tell you. 406 00:20:37,279 --> 00:20:40,799 Speaker 4: Were you in there home Tuesday April first, that's yesterday, Yeah, 407 00:20:40,799 --> 00:20:42,599 that's right. I was What time did you get there 408 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,359 first time? About five minutes to four in the afternoon. 409 00:20:47,599 --> 00:20:50,079 Missus Guthrie was there, and so was the landlady, Missus Stedman. 410 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,319 He had some tea. Was anybody else present while they 411 00:20:52,319 --> 00:20:52,599 were there? 412 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 2: No? This is the three of us. 413 00:20:54,279 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 5: How long did you stay there? 414 00:20:56,039 --> 00:20:59,799 Speaker 2: M I left about four fifteen, I guess guess as 415 00:20:59,799 --> 00:21:00,880 are about twenty minutes. 416 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 5: Where'd you go when you left? 417 00:21:02,759 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 4: Went back to the parking lot as usually, Charlie Guthrie 418 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,160 left and went home to dinner. 419 00:21:07,079 --> 00:21:09,559 Speaker 2: He got back about six fifteen. I left six thirty, 420 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:10,079 quitting two. 421 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,599 Speaker 4: Where'd you go after you left the parking lot? Went 422 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,880 around the block and then back to the Guthrie's place. 423 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:17,880 Why'd you go back there to get money? 424 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,759 Speaker 2: Charlie never paid me enough, picked me up, expected me 425 00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:21,480 to work for nothing. 426 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,319 Speaker 4: All right, now, in your own words, when you tell 427 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:25,920 us just what happened starting when you went at the 428 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,200 Guthrie's apartment. 429 00:21:26,839 --> 00:21:30,319 Speaker 2: The second time, Missus Guthrie opened the door and I 430 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:33,279 went in. Shoot, gave me a cup of tea, and 431 00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:35,079 I told her I wanted some money. She wouldn't give 432 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,440 me any. I don't know why but I was mad. 433 00:21:37,599 --> 00:21:39,000 I was second tired of both of them. They never 434 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:39,839 gave me enough money. 435 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,319 Speaker 5: Ella, I'd even it, Serge, all right, go ahead please. 436 00:21:43,839 --> 00:21:45,519 Speaker 4: Missus Cauthrey went in the next rome and I went 437 00:21:45,519 --> 00:21:47,279 over the desk and got the money from the box that. 438 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 2: They keep it in. I don't know how much. I 439 00:21:48,759 --> 00:21:51,720 grabbed all of it, and the parrot started squawking. Missus 440 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,640 Guthrie came running in. She saw me with the money, 441 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,759 and she says, Jack picked up something and hit her. 442 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,160 Was the hammer pitting it? Can you remember how many 443 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,279 times you ate him? Moistmen? 444 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 6: Oh? 445 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 2: I don't know. She fell down. Parrot was still squawking, 446 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:09,720 jumping around the cage, and I went over, opened the 447 00:22:09,759 --> 00:22:12,079 door of the cage and pulled a parrot out and 448 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,480 stopped moving. Finally went in the bedroom and threw it 449 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,119 on the floor, and I dragged Missus Guffree in the 450 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,440 bedroom and put her on the bed and I left. 451 00:22:20,519 --> 00:22:21,079 Speaker 5: Where'd you go? 452 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,559 Speaker 2: No, I don't know. I walked around, tried to think 453 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:28,480 of something. It's cold. I got a bottle of wine. 454 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,640 I drank it and I got to thinking about what 455 00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:33,640 Charlie do when he got home. I knew he'd be 456 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,599 sure I did it. He always blamed me for everything. 457 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,319 So I finally went back to the Guthrie's place and 458 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:39,839 found the hammer that I used. 459 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 5: On hr What you intend doing with the hammer killed Charlie? 460 00:22:43,559 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 2: She had it coming, so did he. 461 00:22:44,759 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 4: You can't blame me if they forced me into what 462 00:22:46,519 --> 00:22:49,480 anybody would have done the same. What'd you do after 463 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,240 you found the hammer again? I picked it up and 464 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:58,240 waited for Charlie to come home. Remember that wine made 465 00:22:58,279 --> 00:23:01,279 me feel pretty good. I stood there in the dark 466 00:23:01,319 --> 00:23:03,799 holding the hammer, watched out the window for Charlie. 467 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: It was cold out. I remember that it's radio on 468 00:23:08,079 --> 00:23:10,559 down the hall, and I held on in the hammer 469 00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:14,839 and waited for Charlie. Neon light across the street that 470 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,279 came through the windows. Old lady was on the bed 471 00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:20,880 and there I could see the parrot on the floor. 472 00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:28,559 It was quiet, I had a smoke. Traffic kept going 473 00:23:28,599 --> 00:23:33,400 by outside. I could hear that. Held on in the hammer. 474 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,079 It's windy y. I kept thinking missus Gully was looking 475 00:23:39,079 --> 00:23:42,799 at me from the bed, but she wasn't. Charlie came 476 00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:44,839 home at the usual time, the left of seven point thirty, 477 00:23:44,839 --> 00:23:49,960 and I stood by the door came in and closed 478 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,480 the door after him. When he reached for the lights, 479 00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:54,880 I hit him, me fell down. I hit him some more. 480 00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:57,079 You couldn't blame anybody would have done the same. Anybody 481 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,400 would have the way he kicked me around? How many 482 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,920 times did you? I don't know? Was it twice? Three times? 483 00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:05,640 Hit him really quick moving? 484 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 4: So I took hi, dragged him into the bedroom, put 485 00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:12,119 him on the bed with his wife. I put him over, 486 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,200 wiped the stains off of me and lift offs the 487 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,720 only thing I could do. Where'd you go? 488 00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 2: Then? My place? I knew that timer. I had to 489 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,119 do the trick. I put it in a shopping bag 490 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,720 with some stuff, and I went back to the Guthries. 491 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,279 They were still there on the bed. The parrot was 492 00:24:28,319 --> 00:24:30,359 on the floor. Would you repeat that last part in 493 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,920 the tomashment? Oh? I said. They were still on the 494 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,640 bed the Guthries, and the parrot was on the floor 495 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,920 next to the bed. Put the carristion on the cap 496 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,440 and the rags and paper uner the bed and raked 497 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,039 up the electric heater and the automatic time and he 498 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,359 set it off a little slower. 499 00:24:41,559 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll just speak up Jack, and then slowed down 500 00:24:43,559 --> 00:24:44,000 just a little bit. 501 00:24:44,079 --> 00:24:46,799 Speaker 4: Oh sorry, how did you read the time? When he 502 00:24:46,839 --> 00:24:48,359 set off the heating down? 503 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,279 Speaker 2: I ought to take all morning to tell you you 504 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:51,920 got the timer. I'll take it apart and explain it 505 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,599 if you want. What was your purpose and setting fire 506 00:24:54,599 --> 00:24:57,160 in the room? You knew both mister and missus Gustin were. 507 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 5: Dead, didn't you? 508 00:24:57,759 --> 00:25:00,079 Speaker 2: Well? Sure surely were. They forced me into it. I 509 00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:01,559 set the fire and make it look like an accent, 510 00:25:01,559 --> 00:25:02,359 like they'd burned it day. 511 00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:04,279 Speaker 5: What would you do after you set the timer? 512 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,759 Speaker 2: All left, went down the street and a couple of 513 00:25:06,759 --> 00:25:09,480 bottles of wine, talked to the guy man, and I 514 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,000 walked around a while. It was too cold, so I 515 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:15,160 went on, when'd you get home? Two thirty? Maybe? I 516 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:15,920 don't remember too well. 517 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:16,799 Speaker 5: Did you go right to bed? 518 00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? 519 00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 5: You go to sleep? 520 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 2: No? 521 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 10: No? 522 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,039 Speaker 2: I laid there and read a movie magazine, drank the wine, 523 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,359 finally finished up the two bottles, and those what times 524 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,319 you get up a little before six? This morning? I 525 00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:31,880 went down to the guthriest to know was Arona. So 526 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,319 I met you guys. Well you know all the rest 527 00:25:35,319 --> 00:25:36,480 because I've been with you ever since. 528 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 5: All right, Jack, anything else you'd like to add? 529 00:25:39,759 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 2: Noah? I told you everything all right. 530 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 4: In the statement was given free and voluntarily, and there's 531 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,960 been no promise of immunity or reward extended to you. 532 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. 533 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,319 Speaker 4: There was any force, violence, or drest used. Did intduce 534 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,119 you to make the statement? 535 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:53,839 Speaker 2: No? 536 00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 5: Okay. 537 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,039 Speaker 4: These questions and answers have been recorded by the secretary 538 00:25:58,079 --> 00:25:59,160 here after they've been transcribed. 539 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 5: Will you be willing to sign? And it is a 540 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,720 true statement? You sure, sure, sir? All right? Only you 541 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:09,319 get that out soon as possible. Thank you, You're welcome. 542 00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:14,559 Speaker 2: All that's it. Huh, all of it. 543 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 5: That's it. 544 00:26:16,319 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 2: That's good. Good. I'm tired. It's been a long night, 545 00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:22,759 a long one. Get used to it. 546 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,279 Speaker 5: Huh, they're going to get longer. 547 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 2: The story you have just heard was true, only the 548 00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:35,480 names were changed to protect the innocent. 549 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 10: On July twenty ninth, trial was held in Superior Court, 550 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,119 Department eighty sixth, City and County of Los Angeles, State 551 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,599 of California. In a moment the results of that trial, 552 00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:52,920 John Everett Marshman was tried and convicted of murder in 553 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,680 the first degree two counts, and darson one count He 554 00:26:55,799 --> 00:26:58,079 is now serving a life term in the state penitentiary 555 00:26:58,079 --> 00:27:05,559 without possibility of parole. You have just heard Dragnett, a 556 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,319 series of authentic cases from official files. Technical advice comes 557 00:27:09,319 --> 00:27:11,559 from the Office of Chief of Police W. H. Parker, 558 00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:13,240 Los Angeles Police Department. 559 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 2: Coming up with the People Them Screen Director's Playhouse on NBC. 560 00:27:32,079 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: Welcome back. A good setup that ends in a pretty 561 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,440 simple solution. It's a reminder that the working detective doesn't 562 00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:42,640 have an assurance that an interesting setup will lead to 563 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:47,960 some long drawn out case with a clever mastermind at 564 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,279 the heart of it. And of course it's a happy 565 00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:53,759 situation when they don't have to deal with that sort 566 00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:58,359 of thing. But as is the case with Dragnet, even 567 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,359 though we don't get a very complex mystery, we do 568 00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:07,799 get a thorough look at the procedures of taking a 569 00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:14,519 suspects confession back in nineteen fifty and how that's professionally done. Well, 570 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:19,000 now we turn to listener comments and feedback, and we 571 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:24,279 are going to our listener survey and Joseph Rites, I 572 00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:27,079 love Barry Craigan near a Wolf. If not for Adam, 573 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,640 I would not have fallen in love. Thank you well, 574 00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:33,920 so glad to help you find those series. Frank Rit's 575 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,519 just a fan of the great Detectives of Old Time Radio, 576 00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:42,720 and then have another comment best host and best audio 577 00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:49,759 quality of old radio shows, and then this one from Timothy. 578 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,039 I love listening to old time radio atnot It's like 579 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,960 somebody is reading me a bedtime story. It's become a 580 00:28:58,039 --> 00:29:03,079 daily ritual with me. And then I'm scrolling up here 581 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,000 through some spam comments. Of all the places to leave 582 00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:12,240 scam comments, I'm the only one who sees these. This. 583 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,480 Another listener rides, thanks for the podcast. Old Time Radio 584 00:29:16,519 --> 00:29:23,640 Detectives are great, And then have this comment from Sonia, 585 00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:25,559 who rides, I was thrilled to learn there as a 586 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,039 video companion, but couldn't find it under the stated public 587 00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:32,720 domain video theater. Turns out it shows up under public 588 00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:35,960 domain detective video theater. I just want old to know 589 00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:39,000 because the video content is such a treat well, thank 590 00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:42,000 you so much. I did go ahead and check. And 591 00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:45,599 if you put it into Google public domain video theater, 592 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:51,400 it'll bring up my YouTube playlist of the videos first, 593 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,279 and then the video podcast is under that. Of course, 594 00:29:56,319 --> 00:30:00,000 if you put video theater dot Great Detectives dot now 595 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,200 that will bring up the feed for the podcast that 596 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:07,640 you're able to subscribe to, but I will admit that 597 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:13,279 there is kind of a naming discrepancy between YouTube and 598 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,160 the website title, and I should give some thought as 599 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,839 to the best way to resolve that. So I appreciate 600 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,160 you taking the time to comment, and Sonya, I'm really 601 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,079 glad that you enjoyed the Video Theater and I hope 602 00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:31,839 others who are interested in older video content will check 603 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,799 that out as well. I've got some really exciting plans 604 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,680 for this season on Video Theater, which I'll talk about 605 00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:43,079 as twenty twenty five develops. But one thing that we 606 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,400 do have planned for this weekend is we should have 607 00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:53,039 the very first episode of Dragging It on television, either 608 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,480 on YouTube or the video podcast length. Now it is 609 00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:00,359 time to thank our Patreon supporter of the and I 610 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,279 want to thank Ben Benzman, one of our Patreon supporters 611 00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:07,119 since September twenty twenty, currently supporting the podcast at the 612 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,240 shawmus level of four dollars or more per month. Thank 613 00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:12,480 you so much for your support, and that will do 614 00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:15,480 it for today. If you're enjoying the podcast, please follow 615 00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:19,759 us using your favorite podcast software, and please be sure 616 00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:23,119 to rate and review the podcast wherever you download it from. 617 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,039 We will be back next Saturday with another episode of 618 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,480 dragnet I mentioned our video theater that's coming up this week. 619 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,079 But join us back here on Monday as the Great 620 00:31:35,079 --> 00:31:38,599 Detectives of Old Time Radio resumes with an episode of 621 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,359 the Adventures of the Falcon Wear. 622 00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:45,079 Speaker 4: Sorry, baby, you might as well learn the facts of 623 00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:46,000 life now. 624 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:49,119 Speaker 5: Information. 625 00:31:50,480 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 2: I'd like the phone number of Al Romero. Oh Angel, 626 00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:14,279 you don't know what. I'll go away. Oh, for Pete's sake, 627 00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:19,279 Wait a minute, where's my robe? I said, Wait a minute, 628 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,160 what are you wearing? It all depends. 629 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,519 Speaker 10: It depends on the time of day before seven. 630 00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:28,279 Speaker 2: I'm not myself. 631 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,799 Speaker 11: I know it's late, but I've got to see you. 632 00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:30,799 Speaker 2: I'll come back in the morning. 633 00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:33,119 Speaker 11: It's no good time, is of the essence. I don't 634 00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:33,680 know what I'll do it. 635 00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:34,039 Speaker 9: I won't. 636 00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 11: I'll take it easy, but you don't understand. 637 00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:37,319 Speaker 2: Well, I never will at this rate. 638 00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 5: I sit down, Thank you. 639 00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 11: I suppose I should introduce myself. 640 00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:44,279 Speaker 5: I suppose you shouldn't. 641 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:45,759 Speaker 11: My name is Joan Andrews. 642 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 2: Joan Andrews. 643 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 11: If you say so, don't you believe me? 644 00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:51,759 Speaker 2: I never questioned the ladies word at four o'clock in 645 00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:54,759 the morning, but I wouldn't advise you to come back 646 00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:58,160 at five with that story. Why look at Joan Andrews. 647 00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,480 How come your initials on your purse? 648 00:32:59,519 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 5: A jay? 649 00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 11: Oh this belongs to a friend. 650 00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 2: All right, Angel, have it you away? 651 00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:07,799 Speaker 11: I tell you it's the truth. 652 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 2: Well let's hear the rest. 653 00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 11: Well, I'm engaged to a man named Vince Calvin. 654 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:13,559 Speaker 5: Vince Calvin? 655 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,039 Speaker 11: You do you know him? 656 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:18,079 Speaker 2: Yeah? So I won't offer my congratulations. 657 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 11: Well, Vince has been threatened. 658 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:20,119 Speaker 5: How do you know? 659 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:20,759 Speaker 11: He told me? 660 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:21,559 Speaker 5: Go on? 661 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 11: That's all there is to it. I want you to 662 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,160 see nothing happens to her. 663 00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:26,839 Speaker 2: No, Angel, enough is enough. 664 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,039 Speaker 10: You can't expect me to buy that. 665 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,839 Speaker 11: I swear it's true. 666 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 2: Is Calvinoia here? No? 667 00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:33,799 Speaker 11: And he mustn't find out. He thinks he can take 668 00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:34,559 care of himself. 669 00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:36,799 Speaker 5: From what I know of that gent, he can. 670 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 11: I can't afford to gamble. You've got to protect him. 671 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,440 Why don't you go to the cops because I don't 672 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,640 want any publicity. Vince would kill me. 673 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 2: If there was. And this is the man you're engaged too. 674 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:47,519 Speaker 11: I didn't mean it that way. 675 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 10: How did you mean it? 676 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,839 Speaker 11: Look, mister Waring? It all comes down to this, Either 677 00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:52,200 you want the case or you don't. 678 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: I hope you'll be with us then. In the meantime, 679 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,799 send your comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives dotty, 680 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:03,839 follow us on Twitter at Radio Detectives, and check us 681 00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:10,360 out on Instagram, Instagram, dot com slash Great Detectives From Orlando, Florida. 682 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,960 This is your host, Adam Graham, sogn and off.