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Speaker 1: I made a series pay Sunny Sun on I had vision.

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Speaker 2: It's nice. Hey everybody, it's for crying out loud. It's

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Friday Edition.

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Speaker 3: Uh, It's me Stephanie, and I'm here with Tamra Mellow.

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She stayed the week. I'm so excited. We've just been

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sleeping here every night.

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Speaker 1: It's been great. Now.

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Speaker 3: The Tuesday episode was more on the serious side because

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we talked about college stuff and then we talked a

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lot about Penelope. But I and we've had Tamra on before,

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which we did get into her acting career. But you know,

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like I love hearing about this stuff, and she's been

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on a lot of big shows. You started popular, Was

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it most popular? Your very first show?

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Speaker 4: No, The first series I ever did was a show

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called Nothing Sacred right was I think?

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Speaker 2: God?

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Speaker 1: So long ago, like.

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Speaker 4: Ninety seven, I think, And it was. It was a

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show about the Catholic Church, and it.

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Speaker 1: Was it was. It was a cool show. It was, really,

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it wasn't it.

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Speaker 4: It was set in a Catholic church and so there

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were a lot of there were just a lot of interesting,

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cool storylines. But the show wasn't doing that well at

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the end of its first sort of like eighteen episodes

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or something, and so for the for the back nine,

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which is like the final nine episodes, they decided it

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would be a good idea to bring in like a

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sexy love interest for the.

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Speaker 2: Trees for the main proson.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they were like, you know, the network said this,

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like there needs to be some sexual tension. So they

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brought Jennifer Beals in be the sexy love interest. Yeah,

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we didn't get a season.

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Speaker 2: To pick up.

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Speaker 1: What weird show Man.

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Speaker 4: They were like priests that would work on the show,

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Like the pilot was written by a priest, and so

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they would consult on the show and like I remember,

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like you know, like thinking of them. They're like magicians

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and so like one day I was like talking to

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one of the priests and there was like a crate

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of water and I was like, can you turn that

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into holy water? And he was like, you can turn

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it into holy water, you just have to like say

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a blessing over it.

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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, cool.

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Speaker 2: Cool, And how old were you when you were doing

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nothing sacred?

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Speaker 4: I was twenty three, oh a baby, yeah, but I

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was playing at fifteen year old?

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Speaker 2: Oh really? Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I played a character who gets pregnant and so

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you can imagine that this is a big problem in

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a Catholic church. And it was really interesting because they

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my character was going to have an abortion, and the

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people who wrote the show, the priest, insisted on turning

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the script over to the archdiocese every week so the

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Catholic archdiocese could like weigh in and make notes, which

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is very, very strange for a network television show. And

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so they sent the abortion episode back with no notes.

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Speaker 1: They were like, it's great, and we were all shocked

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about that. So, you know, we shot the abortion episode.

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Speaker 4: And then for the next week, the archdiocese then went, well,

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we understand the characters had the abortion, so now you

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have to excommunicate her.

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Speaker 1: She is equally bizarre.

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Speaker 4: And it was like it was like they're like kind

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of gotcha moment, Like you thought you were going to

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sneak this bias. So anyway, it was very strange to

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be on a television show that was like fully sort

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of restricted by the Catholic Church.

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Speaker 3: When you got that job, because I know you'd done

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like some big commercials before that, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd done some commercials and I didn't get stars.

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I'd done a bunch of guest stars on TV shows

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and stuff.

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Speaker 3: But you must have been so excited when you got

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your furt you were like, oh my god, I'm on

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a series.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was super super excited.

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Speaker 4: And for that show, it was very nice because I

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was auditioning to be a guest star on it, and

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then they decided to make me a series regular, which

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was really really cool. And I remember like I was

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living in an apartment and it was like six hundred

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and seventy five dollars a month for like a beautiful

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one bedroom and I was like going to make the

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move to like an eight hundred and twenty five dollars

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a month one bedroom apartment and a slightly nicer building.

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And I remember being like, so like should I do it?

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Can I afford it? And like my manager was like,

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you're on a television show, Like you can afford it.

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But it was just like the idea of making like

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television money was so foreign to me.

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Speaker 1: Like it was it, but yeah, it was.

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Speaker 4: It was really exciting and really like it was a

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good way to like get my chops because I was

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working with a lot of like super talented older actors.

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Speaker 3: I think I've asked you this, I don't know if

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I asked you this when you were on this show.

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I know I've asked you this in person. That seems weird, irl,

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But when you got when you got the job, was there,

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did you have that thing of like, oh my god,

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I'm going to be super famous, like yeah, yeah, I'm

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going to be Matt Perry, like totally to change around here.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, people are going to be like Taara.

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Speaker 4: I mean I thought that when I had my first

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guest star girl. I think my first guest star was

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on like Boy Meets World, and I was like, here

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we go, Here we go. That didn't happen. But I

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remember one time I was at Kmart when Kmart still existed,

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and it was it was while I was on Nothing

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Sacred and there were some There was an Orthodox Jewish

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family in front of me in line, and they were

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like kind of looking at me, kind of whispering, and

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our show was on on Friday night and they said.

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Speaker 1: Are you on that show Nothing Sacred?

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Speaker 4: And I said yeah, and they were like, well, we

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were visiting somebody in the hospital last night and it

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came on, and you know, we couldn't turn off the

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television ourselves because it was Shabbat, so we had to

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watch it, and I.

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Speaker 1: Was like, oh, cool, what do you think?

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Speaker 4: And they like paused for a moment and then they said,

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why are you shopping at kmart?

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Speaker 5: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, to which I didn't really have much of an

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answer other than like.

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Speaker 2: So they were noncommittal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they wouldn't say they liked it, but I think

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they liked it a little bit.

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Speaker 2: That's so funny.

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Speaker 3: So okay, so the show starts airing and we're like,

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how long before you were like, Oh, my life didn't

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change that drastically.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I mean I think my life actually changed like a

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little bit, because you know, I started like getting to

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be in magazines and because of like the abortion storyline.

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My character was actually the first person on network television,

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the first character to have an abortion, and so it

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was kind of a big deal. And so I was

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getting interviewed a lot for like Access Hollywood and like

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and stuff. So I mean, for me, that was all

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I needed. I didn't have to be Matthew Perry. Like

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I was happy that somebody wanted to shoot Bee Roll

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be walking my dog in front of my eight hundred

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dollars apartment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll never get used to shooting bee role.

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Speaker 1: It's so weird.

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Speaker 3: This is a thing where for anybody who's not like

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in this business where they send a crew to like

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follow you around and they want you to just like

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just be normal.

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Speaker 2: We just want to shoot like your normal.

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Speaker 3: Life and you're like, well, it's not really natural to

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like walk towards a camera. I've done that with walking

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the dog, right, we just want to shoot you walking

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your dog for some segment about my sobriety.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're always walking our dogs, right yeah, yeah, in

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full hair and makeup.

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Speaker 3: Because they can't do it like at the grocery store. Yeah,

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it has to be like just stuff you would do

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around your house.

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Speaker 2: It's like, you don't that's not really.

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Speaker 1: It's not real. Yeah, it's not real.

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Speaker 3: Especially when they want me to be as a writer.

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We want me to be right, So it's like sitting

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in front of me.

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Speaker 1: So you're like Harry on Sex and the City.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, they love that shit. Yeah yeah. Okay, So that.

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Speaker 3: Show ends and then were you like, oh no, I'm

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out of work or did you go right into the

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next thing.

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Speaker 1: I think that after that show.

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Speaker 2: There was building offers.

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Speaker 4: Well I was after that show there came a time

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in Hollywood where like young actors were really in demand,

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like like the teen drama was having like sort of

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a resurgence. And so then I did this movie called

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She's All That, which was sort of like the ultimate

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like teen movie, and it was for Meer Max Weinstein's company,

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and it was only like their second or third movie,

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like it wasn't like they hadn't done a lot yet.

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So it was like it was super super fun. It

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was all these young actors. We had the best time.

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and it was super fun. And then sometimes Harvey Weinstein

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would come to set and it got real real weird,

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like because everyone was afraid of him.

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Speaker 1: Even then, people.

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Speaker 4: Were so afraid of him, and we'd all have to

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like be on our best behavior.

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Speaker 1: And there was one time when we had did we

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talk about this before?

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Speaker 4: I can't remember anyway, So there was one time when

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we all went they they like sent us all to

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go to the premiere of like Studio fifty four some

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other teen kind of movie, and so we all went.

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And then I was at this party and Weinstein came

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up to me and said, I.

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Speaker 1: Just want to tell you.

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Speaker 4: You're doing a great job in the film, doing really

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good work in the film. And I was like, oh,

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thank you, thinking he has me mixed up with somebody else, clearly,

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like there's no way he knows who I am. And

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he was like, we're in the back room. If you

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want to come, there's a VIP room back there. We're

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gonna like smoke some cigars, drink some whiskey. And I

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was like I felt trapped, Like I probably looked like

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a deer in headlights. And another actor came up and

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like distracted him with like asking him something, and I like.

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Speaker 1: Slowly drifted away.

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Speaker 4: I mean this was before anybody knew anything about like

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what a monster he was. But there was just something

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where I was like, this doesn't feel good, this feels weird.

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Speaker 2: There was a vibe.

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Speaker 1: There was a vibe, and.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I avoided I avoided getting weinsteined.

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Speaker 2: So you do that movie and that was a big movie, right,

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was it big? Right away? Yeah? It was classic, it was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a pretty big movie.

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Speaker 4: I think that like in a lot of ways, it

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like it was the first one of all those like

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kind of teen movies that came after it. So so yeah,

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that was super, super fun, and then I did I

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did Popular right after.

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Speaker 2: That, So so you booked another series.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did a series called Popular.

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Speaker 2: It was Ryan Murphy.

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Speaker 4: That was Ryan Murphy's first series and how what was that? Like,

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we did a couple of seasons of that. It's you know,

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it's very strange, like and I think probably there are

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a lot of people who can attest to this that

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like working on a Ryan Murphy's show is like the

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worst parts of high school. You know, there's a vibe

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that he puts out there. And I'm saying this like

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he and I were very very good friends for a

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long time, but it's he kind of pits people against

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each other and it's super unhealthy.

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Speaker 2: It's super It's a little like our Patreon this week.

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Speaker 4: It's it is it is, And it's like, you know,

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me with my family, I'm like already like hackles up,

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like what's gonna happen? But yeah, there was a lot

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of like like stupid petty high school drama happening on

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the set of our high school drama. Like everybody always

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like felt like am I gonna get fired?

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Speaker 1: Like it wasn't It wasn't great.

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Speaker 4: And that being said, I made a lot of great friends,

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and for the most part, it was a really really

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lovely experience.

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Speaker 3: And that was the show that did make you kind

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of famous, right, Like you said, you got recognized a lot. Yeah,

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I mean I think people still recognize you from that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Maybe it It's a very strange thing for somebody

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with anxiety to like go to a shopping mall and

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get like surrounded by like tween girls and have to

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sort of like show up for them and do the

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thing that you're supposed to do, which is sign autographs

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and take pictures, and like that's the kind of thing

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that you think before you have any success as an actor.

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You're like, that's going to be so cool when someone

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asks me for my autograph. And for me, it was

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so anxiety producing that it was it was hard for me,

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and I would every time I would go out, I

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would go out with like a baseball cap and like

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big sunglasses, like I'm fucking justin Bieber. Like I think

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there was not that degree of fame, but it would

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just it would take one like thirteen year old girl

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to recognize me to like start off a series of events.

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Speaker 3: Right, Okay, so popular that was like a couple of years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it did two full seasons of that back

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in the day when like a season was like twenty

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two to twenty four episodes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yea, so we did.

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Speaker 4: A lot of episodes of that, and that was great.

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and it's fun getting to travel and like do cool

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stuff that you wouldn't get to do otherwise. And then yeah,

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after that, I got hired to do another series called

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Baby Bob, which was a show about a talking baby

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and it was with Jolie Fisher and Holland Taylor, Elliott Gould.

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Speaker 1: There were like some very very good actors on this,

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like stupid fucking show.

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Speaker 4: But before Elliott Gould was there, Carl Reiner was in it,

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and it was it was like working with Hollywood Royalty.

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and then they probably cooled in. But Jolie Fisher did

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not like me, and I don't know why. I don't

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know what I did to her, but she did not

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like me. She was not nice to me, and she

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would complain about my character, which was so weird, like

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she'd be like the fuck well exactly, she'd be like, well,

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I don't think it's realistic that da da da da dad,

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your baby talks like a forty year old man, like

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where we're not dealing in reality, and you know, it's

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just that annoying thing that.

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Speaker 1: Actors do where they're like, my character wouldn't say.

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Speaker 4: That, oh, which that reminds me of one time Ryan

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Murphy set out a memorandum saying that people were no

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longer allowed to say my character wouldn't say that. Oh God,

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that's kind of funny, but he was totally serious about

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it anyway. So Jolly Fisher didn't like me and she

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wasn't nice to me, and I just remember were like

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at one point, the girl who was the other girl

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who was up for the role showed up on set one.

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Speaker 2: Day, who was up for your role?

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Speaker 4: Yeah huh, and like like came to my trailer and

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was like I just wanted to say hi, and I

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was like, what are you doing here? And she goes, oh,

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they just thought maybe they would bring me in for

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a guest star, so they kind of wanted me to

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see how things are going. And I'm like, that is

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such bullshit that doesn't exist, it doesn't happen. Ten minutes later,

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my agent calls and I went, I'm fired, right, and he.

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Speaker 1: Went, yeah, you're fired.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but they say it happens to everybody once and

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I was like, is this my one time?

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Speaker 1: And he's like, I hope so.

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Speaker 4: But you can pack up your things like there's nothing

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more humiliating, Like nothing had prepared me for getting fired

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from a television series.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it was because of Julie Richardson?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah I do.

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Speaker 4: And I had just bought my house. I had just

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bought my house, and I was like, I just went,

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they still have to pay me, right, And he went, yeah,

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they still have to pay you.

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Speaker 3: So was it one of those things like a soap

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opera where they just replaced your character with a different

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person and just forward.

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Speaker 4: No, because we were shooting six episodes and basically they

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had already shot the pilot for this and it got

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picked up, but then they wanted to replace most of

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the cast, and so we had to reshoot the pilot.

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But we knew we were shooting six other episodes. So

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I got fired during that reshoot of the pilot. Okay,

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And then so you were never on that show.

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Speaker 1: No, I was never.

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Speaker 4: It never saw the light of day with my face,

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and I don't think it lasted more than the six episodes, right,

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but oh boy, that was humiliating.

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Speaker 2: Was that the last time you were ever fired? Yeah? Yeah,

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I mean fired a lot? Really?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean I've gotten fired from restaurant jobs.

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But like as an actor, I only got fired one time.

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What have you even fired from?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: Actually though, yeah, I got fired from this job where

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I was a writer on a thing that was recreating

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taking stuff from old Three Stooges movies and making interstitials and.

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Speaker 2: I hate the Three Staies too.

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Speaker 3: Really needed a job, so I had to pretend like

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I like the Three Stooges. But it was a torturous job,

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and I made the mistake of complaining about things like

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we need snacks in the office and we need magazines.

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Speaker 2: So this was before the internet.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh, So we had nothing. They wanted us to

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just sit in a room. These people did not understand

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how this kind of television is. You can't get just

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ideas out of your brain.

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Speaker 1: What were they interstitials for?

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Speaker 2: So they were.

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Speaker 3: Taking like it was I don't I don't remember it. Oh,

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like it was they were showing three Stooges movies, okay,

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and then they wanted to do like little sketches taking

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footage from three Stooges movies. But but it would be

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like I'm trying to think of an example of it.

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It would be like a quick, like sixty second sketch

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where you'd go exercise with mo oh, take stuff from

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movies that would almost look like he was doing an

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exerci umaruantine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so.

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Speaker 3: You'd have to think of the bit and then you'd

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have to screen all this footage to go like to

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find moments where you could be like, oh, this could

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be like him doing a handstand, or.

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Speaker 2: Like that could be an It was like that sounds awful. Torture, Yeah,

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absolute torture.

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Speaker 3: But I was saying, it's really hard to feel like

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inspired without I wanted like Cosmo, Maga, like magazines where

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you could see a funny headline and it would give

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you an idea of a sketch. And they were like, well,

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we're not paying you to read magazines. So then, I mean,

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this is kind of a classic story. The long story,

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very short, is that I would call my friend Bonnie

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and I would complain to her on the phone. And

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one day I was calling and I was like, God,

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this job just fucking sucks. And the headliner he had

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been at lunch, but I turned around and he was

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sitting right behind me and he was married.

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Speaker 2: To the executive producer.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, And nothing happened that day, so I was like, oh,

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I just I mean, I had that horrible feeling, like

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heart beating and like oh my god, Oh my god,

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Oh my god. But then nothing happened, and I was like,

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you know what, maybe he didn't hear me. Next day,

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I come into work. It was a Monday, so that

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had happened on a Friday Monday.

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Speaker 2: I come into work and I'm like, well, I'm in

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the clear.

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Speaker 3: And I get called into a meeting across the street

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at like a separate office area, and I'm like okay,

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and I walk in and it's a whole crowd.

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Speaker 2: It's the it's a lawyer. Oh hr, it's the bosses, and.

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Speaker 3: They're like, have a seat, and then they're like, yeah,

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we're gonna let you go.

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Speaker 2: And I was like can I ask why? And they

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told me I was poisoning the well.

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Speaker 3: Oh with my negative attitude and my you don't like

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it here, so we're gonna let you go.

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Speaker 2: And then I was like, of course, well I can

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finish the piece that i'm They're like, no, oh no,

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you've already boxed up your stuff. Oh no, oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh god yeah, They're like, here's your stuff.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye.

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Speaker 4: That's lunchtime nightmare of like somebody overhearing you.

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Speaker 1: It's like you have nightmares about that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I had.

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Speaker 4: One time I was I was interesting for something. It

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was some television series and I went into the room

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with the producers and they said, oh, you were in

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You just wrapped this movie Tortilla Soup.

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Speaker 1: And I said yeah. They were like, did you have

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a good time? And I kind of and don't ask

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me why.

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Speaker 4: I started complaining about how disorganized the production was.

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Speaker 1: Now, why would I do that?

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Speaker 3: Why?

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Speaker 1: But I did?

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Speaker 4: And then I went home and promptly got a phone

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call from my agent.

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Speaker 1: He was like, what the fuck did you do? They produced?

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It was like twentieth century Fox and they were like,

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they produced that movie and somehow.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, if I didn't know who I was auditioning,

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I don't know what.

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Speaker 1: But I was like, oh my god, can I fix it?

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Speaker 4: And he was like, no, you can't fix it, but

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you can't talk that way. I have no idea why

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I did that, but it probably came from like my

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background of like triangulating.

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Speaker 2: Right right a Patreon.

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Speaker 4: God, yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Did some stupid things.

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Speaker 3: So that happened to me on and on not an audition,

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but on a meeting for to write on a show,

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a game show, and it was called street Smart for

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that show.

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Speaker 2: It's super old.

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Speaker 1: It sounds familiar game.

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Speaker 2: Show where they asked questions to people on the street.

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Speaker 3: So there was this The boss of that show met

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with me and he was like, oh, so you used

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to work at Love Connection now love I worked on that,

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but I did not work in the office at Love Connection.

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I was a what they call a stringer. Whereas so

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I was too young to get a job on the show.

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I was like nineteen when I did it, and I

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my job was to go around to bars and try

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to get contestants on the show.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 3: So, only person I was friends with all like name

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name shout him. His name was Tim Chrisenni. I'll never

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forget it. Super nice guy. I had met with him

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and he hired me to be a stringer. I never

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worked at the office. Okay, but this guy would complain

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to me about the boss and he would tell me

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these crazy stories about her. So I had a very

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negative image of this boss. But I don't I didn't.

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I don't think I met her. I might have met

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her maybe once. Okay, so this guy. So I'm at

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this meeting and the guy goes, oh, so you worked

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at Love Connection, And now I have to be kind

480
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:31,039
of fake because I didn't work there per se, but

481
00:24:31,079 --> 00:24:33,799
I needed to make it seem like I did because

482
00:24:33,799 --> 00:24:36,079
I don't think I had many credits at that point.

483
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,880
Speaker 2: So I was like, uh, huh, you know. And then

484
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,480
he's like, yeah, what did what did you?

485
00:24:39,519 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 3: How did you? What did you think about? And he

486
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,720
said it in a negative way. He was baiting, what

487
00:24:44,839 --> 00:24:46,759
did you think? And I don't want to say.

488
00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 2: The woman's name. I only remember her first.

489
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 3: Name, but let's call her Susan. What did you think about?

490
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,759
Like Susan Brown, you know? And I was like, oh,

491
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,000
kind of a bitch, right, oh no, oh no, yeah,

492
00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:02,000
and he goes, oh, he goes, you know what, let's

493
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,880
see how what she would say about you? No, And

494
00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:11,599
I lost my I mean my so freaked out. And

495
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,839
he goes, he's like, yeah, she's a good friend of

496
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:15,519
mine or whatever.

497
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 2: I don't know if I said she's a bitch, I

498
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:18,720
think I.

499
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 3: I don't think I said any that bad, but I

500
00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:25,759
was like, yeah, she's like pretty mean or whatever like fire.

501
00:25:25,839 --> 00:25:28,680
I don't know what I said. It was very not nice.

502
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,880
And then he's he called her, yes, put it on speaker,

503
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,160
but she didn't answer the phone.

504
00:25:34,599 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's message.

505
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,559
Speaker 3: And he was just like, hey, Susan, it's me or whatever,

506
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,640
you know, give me a call, and I and I

507
00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:46,519
just went like oh. And then he goes, she's the

508
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:48,480
supervising producer of the show.

509
00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 2: And I just was like.

510
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: That is so mean.

511
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is so mean, and so like that's that's

512
00:25:57,759 --> 00:26:00,880
got to be breaking some sort of hr Like that

513
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:01,799
was abusive.

514
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: That guy was an asshole.

515
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 3: I found out later when I would tell that story

516
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:07,960
all the time because humiliating and people would be like, oh,

517
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:13,400
that guy's an asshole, but still yeah, super embarrassing, like

518
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,400
how stupid.

519
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it taught me a lesson, though I never did

520
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:17,400
that again.

521
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

522
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 4: I mean I think that, like I would go into

523
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,319
rooms sometimes and just be so out of my mind

524
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,960
with like I have to I have to act well

525
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,400
and I have to put on like I don't know

526
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,559
what possessed me to say some of the things that

527
00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:31,119
I said.

528
00:26:31,559 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: I remember one time I had a medicine.

529
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 4: It was for like something that Will Smith was was producing.

530
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,160
So I was already kind of like, oh, I'm gonna

531
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,680
go meet Will Smith and I walked into the room

532
00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:44,960
and there were a bunch of people there, but Rick

533
00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:48,839
Fox from the Lakers was there for some reason, and I, yeah,

534
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:49,640
so cute.

535
00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:52,039
Speaker 1: But I just walked into the room and went, Hi,

536
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:52,799
Rick Fox.

537
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,319
Speaker 4: I was so surprised to see him there, and then

538
00:26:56,319 --> 00:26:59,279
I couldn't focus on anything else other than that Rick

539
00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:00,160
Fox was there.

540
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 2: Oh it was ctitdy say hi.

541
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: He did say hi. I was delighted.

542
00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:08,799
Speaker 6: Did you ever have any other like bad meetings where

543
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,680
you or did you ever have any anyones where I'm

544
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,359
sure you did, because this has happened to me though,

545
00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:19,240
where you're like, oh my god, they loved me.

546
00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 3: I am absolutely booking this and they don't even get

547
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,680
like a callback or.

548
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, like oh it happens like all the time. I'll

549
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,440
just think, God, mad, I nailed that. I nailed it,

550
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:34,759
and then it's like literal crickets, But I mean, I

551
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:36,880
think that happens to everybody all the time.

552
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, So what was the last thing that

553
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:42,279
you worked on?

554
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:45,799
Speaker 1: Ah, that's a good question. What is the last thing

555
00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:50,680
that I worked on? It's been so long since I've acted.

556
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 4: I did an episode of the show Children's Hospital, the comedy.

557
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,880
It was like, it's like a anyone know that show?

558
00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:04,960
It's very very funny. And then so like after you

559
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:10,519
did Popular and then you did The Bob's Baby, the

560
00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:14,160
Baby Bob, Baby Bob. But then did you book another yea, yeah,

561
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,799
I never did another series, but I did pilots and

562
00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:21,039
I did guest stars and like small roles in films

563
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:23,440
and stuff like that, Like I always, I always worked,

564
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,079
and then.

565
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:29,759
Speaker 2: But you weren't loving it as much towards.

566
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 4: The end, I wasn't loving it as much. And like

567
00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:34,000
the last thing, I've done a couple of small things

568
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,680
since then. But the last like like big thing I

569
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,039
worked on was actually I had gotten a recurring role

570
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:46,039
on a series called Worst Week, and Grayson was three

571
00:28:46,079 --> 00:28:50,799
months old and I was having to like, you know,

572
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,519
have him brought to set so I could nurse him,

573
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,440
and you know, they were just very very long, long hours,

574
00:28:57,519 --> 00:29:00,839
and it was just it was very hard for me

575
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,240
to balance an actor's life with having a newborn. And

576
00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:07,000
I was also at the time but didn't know it,

577
00:29:07,519 --> 00:29:11,400
dealing with undiagnosed bipolar disorder, which I think we talked

578
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,440
about before. So there were just a lot of variables.

579
00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:20,640
And so ultimately I decided to stop acting because it

580
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,839
was just I was having a very very hard time

581
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,359
regulating my mood and even being able to audition became

582
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,960
very very difficult. Like it was almost like like I

583
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,279
forgot how to act. I kept saying that, like I

584
00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:34,440
didn't know how to act anymore, and it was very

585
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:41,759
it was a very like sad thing to lose. But yeah,

586
00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:44,160
I just I needed some time away and I needed

587
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,039
to like get healthy.

588
00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:46,319
Speaker 1: Which I didn't.

589
00:29:46,079 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: Feel relieved for a while, Or were you sad right away?

590
00:29:50,039 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 4: No, I felt relieved when I first quit. Like the

591
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,200
first thing I did was like I left my commercial

592
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,799
agency because I just was like, commercials are too stressful,

593
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,319
auditioning for commercials, it's too much work, it's too hard.

594
00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:07,960
And then eventually I just decided to stop altogether. And yeah,

595
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,759
I was relieved, but also you know this about me,

596
00:30:13,119 --> 00:30:16,960
about like when I just wanted Grayson to pick going

597
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:20,359
to read and stop the anxiety over where he was

598
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,279
going to go to college.

599
00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: It's sort of the same thing with me.

600
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, I don't like this, I don't feel great,

601
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,200
I don't feel well. I have to like do something

602
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,160
to make it stop. And so that's what I did.

603
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:34,319
And I still think it was the right decision because

604
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:38,480
it would still be years from then before my diagnosis,

605
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:41,839
So I don't I don't think I could have kept

606
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:42,119
doing it.

607
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't doing good work anymore.

608
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:51,119
Speaker 2: Right, But now you're you are auditioning.

609
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:55,279
Speaker 4: Yes again, Yes, I'm I am auditioning again. It's very

610
00:30:56,359 --> 00:31:00,680
it's really fun. Like I had forgotten or it stopped

611
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:05,519
being fun, is what happened. It really just stopped being fun.

612
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:07,279
Speaker 1: But now I'm.

613
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 4: Doing it again, and it's just kind of like I

614
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,039
get to audition at my house, which is great, right

615
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:17,519
because nobody audition it's in person anymore. And it's just

616
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:20,400
fun for me to get to act. Like even if

617
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,200
like I don't book a job, which I haven't yet,

618
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:27,799
I'm really enjoying it. I'm enjoying creating a character and

619
00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:31,000
I'm enjoying like performing in like this tiny little way.

620
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: That's so good.

621
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,200
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649
00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:24,039
I think we've got we got the picture you're liking

650
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:28,480
acting again, I did want to before, and we have

651
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:31,319
a couple of shows we want to talk about. You

652
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:34,720
know what screwt we I've told that story before. Had

653
00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:39,359
had a couple of funny like commercial commercial audition, Like

654
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:42,000
I think that's just the worst thing ever.

655
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: It's social audition.

656
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 4: It's there's nothing real about those situations.

657
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: It's very difficult to act.

658
00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 3: And when after I did my TV show Parental Discretion,

659
00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:57,119
the thing that they were trying to get me like

660
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:00,359
I was already in my mid forties. They I don't

661
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:02,039
think they were going to try to make me a star.

662
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,799
They were like, we can get you brand deals and

663
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,640
we want to send you out for commercials.

664
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 2: And I talked about it a lot.

665
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 3: On this show because I mean the most humiliating, Like

666
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,960
all I got out of going on commercial auditions was

667
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:20,280
just some good stories, oh good, because I was just

668
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,800
not a good actress. And my favorite one is I'd

669
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,679
gone in and it was for my character was supposed

670
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,639
to have gone back to college as an adult. So

671
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,039
I didn't quite know how to dress for that, Like

672
00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:36,920
everybody knows how to dress for commercial auditions, and I

673
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:42,599
really didn't like so I was dressed okay. So I

674
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:46,400
was dressed in jeans, like a white T shirt and

675
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,079
a like a short black blazer. Cute, right, Yeah, it

676
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:53,159
seemed kind of okay. So I'm wearing that and there

677
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:54,320
you go in.

678
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

679
00:34:57,159 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 3: It's really funny because they so hard of it was

680
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,800
going to be that they're going to ask you about yourself,

681
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,719
uh huh, and your interests. And I feel like I

682
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,719
remember making fun of the fact that there was a

683
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,400
sign on the door at the casting office that was

684
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,960
like things not to bring up hiking runyon or like

685
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:18,440
some things that I guess they were so fucking sick

686
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,840
of hearing about that. They're like, please, don't talk about

687
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,559
this in your thing. So I so I told them

688
00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:26,719
that my interests, Oh my god, this is coming back

689
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,039
to me gambling.

690
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,679
Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of funny. It's funny, so

691
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,280
I was making the guy laugh a little bit.

692
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 3: But then I had to do the audition part, which

693
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,960
was you had to sit in front of this laptop

694
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,639
and you had to pretend that you're like working on

695
00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:46,920
a paper and you have a problem and you're like

696
00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:49,119
a little bit stumped, so you have to act like

697
00:35:49,199 --> 00:35:52,400
you're thinking about like and then you you get you

698
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:54,199
get it, you get a solution.

699
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,199
Speaker 2: In your head, and then you get this.

700
00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: Is a terrible nightmare.

701
00:35:57,159 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: Oh my god. So I felt so self conscious. It

702
00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:02,280
was just terrible.

703
00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:07,159
Speaker 3: And but I'm I'm like pretending to type and then

704
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:10,760
I pretend like I'm thinking. So in my thinking process

705
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,079
I kind of take my blazer sort of off my shoulder.

706
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,079
Now I'm a writer and was a writer at the time,

707
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:21,400
so like in my mind, I'm like, well, you know,

708
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,880
you just get a little uncomfortable. You're thinking, and you're like,

709
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,360
let me, oh, I'm kind of I'm getting warm, So

710
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:26,960
I took the.

711
00:36:27,039 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: Blazer off, like stroking an imaginary.

712
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 2: Beard basically, right.

713
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 3: So I do the take and then the guy goes,

714
00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:38,239
why did you take your blazer off?

715
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:39,159
Speaker 1: No?

716
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and I was like, I guess I

717
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,280
felt like that kind of was maybe how I think,

718
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,800
and he was like, we do another take where.

719
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: You don't take your paper off, and I was like.

720
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,159
Speaker 1: Well, well, at least they gave you another try.

721
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: I had like three auditions and I did not get

722
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:02,239
a callback for any of them.

723
00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:04,199
Speaker 1: Commercials are tough, man.

724
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 4: You can make a lot of money, like I did

725
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,760
commercials where I definitely made a lot of money, but

726
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,239
like it's getting that job that is so hard.

727
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, any any humiliating ones like that?

728
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:20,519
Speaker 1: Oh, they're all humiliating. Like I remember I had one

729
00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:21,280
and this is when.

730
00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 4: I that's when I first started acting, and I had

731
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,480
an audition for a gap commercial and like I went

732
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:29,960
in with like a group of people and it was

733
00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:33,159
like all like you know, like kids, like like teenagers,

734
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:36,320
early twenties, and they like had us each like introduce

735
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,320
ourselves and say a thing and then they were like, okay,

736
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,360
one by one, you're gonna step forward and do and

737
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:44,880
freestyle like dance, like.

738
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: Hip hop freestyle.

739
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 4: And I was like, what what.

740
00:37:48,639 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: I am so not a dancer. I have zero rhythm.

741
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 4: And everybody was a dancer, and so they all went

742
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,960
out there and were like doing these crazy you.

743
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,559
Speaker 2: Know, you have to commit and you have to commit.

744
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:04,599
Speaker 4: And I just like walked out there and did like

745
00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:08,440
my little like like nineties like I'm dancing to like

746
00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:11,639
depeche Mode or Susie in the Banshee's like a little

747
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:14,679
emo dance and then walked back to the line with

748
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,360
my tail between my legs. Oh god, it was human,

749
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,559
Like I'm getting hot and prickly just thinking about it now.

750
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: It was awful.

751
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 2: That's that is. That sounds so much like something I was.

752
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,320
I would have been sent out to do, but I couldn't.

753
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,679
Speaker 3: Even do the bare minimum, Like I remember another one

754
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:34,000
where I had to pretend to be driving a truck,

755
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:37,519
like a UPS truck. Yeah, I thing my movements were

756
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:40,119
so big, like you know, I might as well have

757
00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:43,360
been like turning a steering wheel as big as the moon.

758
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 2: You know, I just have no sense.

759
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 3: Of how to do like space work. I'm just like

760
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,079
I'm dress right now. And they're like, thank you.

761
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 4: But it's such a dumb thing to ask somebody to

762
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,679
do because you're not going to be doing that in

763
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:56,360
the commercial.

764
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 1: You're not driving a fake truck.

765
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 4: And like, I had an acting teacher when I was

766
00:39:00,519 --> 00:39:03,239
in school, and he would be like, do not pantomime,

767
00:39:03,639 --> 00:39:08,199
never ever pantomime, and like that is stuck so securely

768
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,840
in my brain, and to ask somebody to pantomime in

769
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,360
an audition situation is ridiculous.

770
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Okay, Well I'm kind of glad that's behind

771
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:17,599
you a little bit.

772
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.

773
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 3: But before we go, I made you watch well you'd

774
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,239
already watched it. Yeah, I told Lynette to watch it,

775
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,639
but she's not here, so fuck her. We're talking about it.

776
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:32,480
The Carmen Family murders, not murders.

777
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:33,079
Speaker 2: Murder.

778
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 1: No, it's not murders because nobody was ever prosecuted. It's

779
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,639
the it's the Carmen Family deaths. I believe it's not

780
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:46,400
called murders.

781
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: Are you sure?

782
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: I'm almost positive.

783
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna google it. We don't have

784
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:52,840
a proper or it.

785
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,079
Speaker 1: Might be killings.

786
00:39:55,079 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 3: The Carmen Oh, you're right, the Carmen Family deaths.

787
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: Right, weird because it should be murders.

788
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: You're so right.

789
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:12,199
Speaker 3: So before we get into it, the reason I saw

790
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,639
it on my Netflix que and then I saw on

791
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,719
Netflix that people were this is.

792
00:40:18,639 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 2: How I want to introduce us to this topic.

793
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 3: I saw on Netflix that people were like, this is

794
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,320
such a crazy mystery, like I'm not sure, Like I

795
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,880
felt one way and then I felt another way. And

796
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,039
then I watched it and I was like, what are

797
00:40:31,079 --> 00:40:32,280
these people talking about?

798
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,119
Speaker 1: M h How did you ever not think that he

799
00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:36,480
did it?

800
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 5: Yes?

801
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, right, I know.

802
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 4: Well, I think part of the problem is that because

803
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:52,199
he's on the autism spectrum, the handling of his interviews

804
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:57,920
and interrogations was very bad. It was handled terribly and

805
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,079
a lot of the things that they said that he

806
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:03,760
did were very typical for people on the spectrum, and

807
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,079
but those were a lot of the reasons why they

808
00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:07,599
suspected him.

809
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,159
Speaker 1: So I think that's why people were torn, is because

810
00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:10,760
they were like.

811
00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:14,519
Speaker 4: Well, no, he's not a murderer, He's just on the spectrum.

812
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 3: There was so much dark stuff though that had happened

813
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,320
with that kid, and from the beginning, and he was

814
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:32,920
basically a sociopath autistic or not it and listen. Yes,

815
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,280
he was definitely very autistic. I don't know if very

816
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,840
autistic is a good right, you know, But he also

817
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,000
there was so there was a lot of proof and

818
00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:46,000
evidence that he did do it and all a lot

819
00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:49,280
of the things. There was things where he was I

820
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,760
don't it's not really a spoiler, but like where he

821
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,039
was asking about, like, okay, so how long after if

822
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:56,039
this person dies?

823
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,159
Speaker 2: Then like when do I get the money?

824
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 3: Right? Does this person and then does this person have

825
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,159
to die? And then I get the money? And then

826
00:42:03,639 --> 00:42:05,320
lo and behold those people died?

827
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 4: Right? Yeah, it is interesting. But I think you can

828
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,000
think of it in two ways, which is because he

829
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:18,039
was on the spectrum, he's like systematizing, so he just

830
00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:20,239
wants to know how things lay out. So in his

831
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:21,719
mind he's like, well, I just want to know how

832
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,360
this is going to go. I'm not saying that's what happened,

833
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,119
but I'm saying.

834
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 3: How it's going to go once I killed, Once I

835
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:31,039
kill her, every how does that work? Do I get

836
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:35,159
the money immediately? I mean, there was no everybody told

837
00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:37,079
the mom. They're like, do not don't get on a

838
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:38,760
boat with them, don't get on a boat with him.

839
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that it was.

840
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 4: You know, I feel like there were a lot of

841
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,960
things that were glossed over, like they sent him away

842
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,679
to one of those awful wilderness camps in Utah.

843
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,199
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and they did the full like head of kidnapped, kidnapped.

844
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then that dad was very weird.

845
00:42:55,679 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

846
00:42:56,679 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 3: And what was were the mom and dad like ever together?

847
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,679
Speaker 2: They never explained, they never talked about it.

848
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: But I think so because this family. So here's the thing.

849
00:43:10,519 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 4: I think this family very much weaponized money. So and

850
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,840
a lot of it came from that. Like the mom

851
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:26,360
doing that video where she's telling Nathan that he's not

852
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,000
going to inherit the house was a very strange and

853
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:36,800
unnecessary video to make because he had been living in

854
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,840
a camper and didn't come inside anymore, so she wasn't

855
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,360
going to leave him the house. The dad seemed to

856
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,760
know stuff about him living in the camper, was talking

857
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,760
about how he was like taking apart microwaves, which I

858
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:53,280
think for somebody who he was diagnosed with Asperger's which

859
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,760
is no longer the name of that diagnosis, but I

860
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,480
think somebody with that diagnosis, it's not straight for them

861
00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:02,880
to take a part of microwave and put it back together.

862
00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 3: I disagree in the way that that those behaviors.

863
00:44:09,519 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: He was clearly had antisocial persons, oh for sure.

864
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 3: For sure, like and he was, you know, not bathing

865
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,119
and like often this camper and I'm not saying like

866
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,400
that is definitely not just because he had aspergers.

867
00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, It was because probably that, But

868
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:34,280
then it became a mental illness because probably from the

869
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,519
way he was treated, probably from the dysfunction and being

870
00:44:37,559 --> 00:44:38,079
sent away.

871
00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 3: But he was also like had very bad tendencies. I

872
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,960
don't want to say like violent. I know they said, well,

873
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,000
you never did anything violent.

874
00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 4: Well, he did pull a knife on somebody, yes, so

875
00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:52,239
that's pretty violent.

876
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: Oh was it his mom?

877
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 2: I think it was his mom. Oh I thought it.

878
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 4: Was somebody at school. I could be wrong, but I

879
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,760
thought he was doing it outside the family.

880
00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 3: Awful stuff and at school that it necessitated them sending

881
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,880
him doing something with him.

882
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: But here's here's the thing that I didn't understand.

883
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:13,679
Speaker 4: So when they had him committed to the mental hospital,

884
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,039
and then they said, yeah, but the grandfather, like he

885
00:45:18,119 --> 00:45:21,159
was supposed to be there alone dealing with his issues.

886
00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:23,199
But the grandfather would go and visit him and bring

887
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,159
him pizza and bring him newspapers. But I'm like, if

888
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:29,039
he was supposed to be there alone according to who,

889
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,239
like you know what I mean, Like they're not just

890
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,719
going to let the grandfather in if he's not supposed

891
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:35,000
to be.

892
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:39,119
Speaker 3: There, right same, So were they just not visiting him?

893
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:41,639
Was that just their own thing of like nobody go visiting.

894
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,440
I think his father was like, fuck you, I'm going

895
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:44,119
to go visit him.

896
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:46,639
Speaker 1: That's what I think.

897
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 4: I think so because they it felt to me like

898
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,079
they just wanted to get rid of him, like they

899
00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:55,920
send him to that horrible wilderness camp and then they

900
00:45:56,039 --> 00:45:56,559
I think he.

901
00:45:56,599 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 3: Was totally out of control though, and the mom was

902
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,880
still trying to protect maybe maybe like that's my son.

903
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,480
It seemed pretty obvious that he killed the grandfather. Yeah,

904
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:10,239
only one there, Yeah, the last person to see him.

905
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:13,480
There were all kinds of other evidence. I don't know,

906
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:16,039
people should go watch it. And then the mom was

907
00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:17,599
like I don't want to hear about it, like he's

908
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:18,639
my son and I don't care.

909
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 4: It's odd though that he wasn't charged with it. And

910
00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:24,039
that's what I don't understand. Like they found out later

911
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:26,159
that he had bought a gun out of state with

912
00:46:26,199 --> 00:46:28,239
an out of state license, which he shouldn't have been

913
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,559
able to do. It was the same kind of gun

914
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:33,840
that could have been used in the murders. It was

915
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,400
the same bullets, although those bullets can be used in

916
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,079
like a wide variety of rifles.

917
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: But he got the gun and then lost the gun

918
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,079
and lied.

919
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,119
Speaker 3: About it and then didn't Yeah, and then it was

920
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,119
literally like two weeks later the dad died.

921
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, grandfather died.

922
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:50,679
Speaker 4: Yeah.

923
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I don't know why he wasn't charged.

924
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 4: It seems that they interrogated him and he had the

925
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,840
knowledge that, like he was like, oh, I'm all my

926
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,079
grandfather's head just got blown off, and they were like,

927
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:03,840
who told you that?

928
00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 2: Oh, my god, the right thing. His head got blown off. Yeah,

929
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,039
But so it was nobody knew that except please.

930
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: That's what they're saying. But then why wasn't he arrested.

931
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:14,760
I don't understand.

932
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 2: I don't know.

933
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: It's very strange to me.

934
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,519
Speaker 3: So I was saying to John, Okay, so typical me.

935
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,440
I'd watched like most of it except for the final

936
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:30,239
twenty minutes, and I was like, so the next night

937
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:34,039
was I guess last night. Yeah, I said, we got

938
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:37,920
to I got to finish this Carmen family deaths because

939
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,079
I'm going to talk about it tomorrow. And then I

940
00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:41,920
was like, wouldn't it be interesting if there was some

941
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,119
kind of twist? I was like, because what could happen

942
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:47,039
in the last twenty minutes? I was like, wouldn't it

943
00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:48,960
be weird if there was some like the jinks, like

944
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,079
I don't know, something that was like crazy that happens,

945
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:53,719
and we're like, yeah, what's going to happen in the

946
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,039
last And then there is a twist?

947
00:47:55,199 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a twist.

948
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: There's a there's a big twist. Yeah.

949
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I thought it was just very very obvious,

950
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,760
like who else would it was?

951
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:07,199
Speaker 6: Him?

952
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:10,559
Speaker 2: Yeah? But come on, Yeah.

953
00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:16,079
Speaker 4: It left me with a lot of questions and yeah,

954
00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:19,559
I mean I think that he had probably for sure

955
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been financially abused by his family. It sounds like the

956
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grandfather really financially abused his children, like threatening to take

957
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away their inheritance, threatening to take.

958
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Speaker 3: But the grandfather was giving him like one hundred thousand

959
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dollars a year, yes to freaking live, And all the

960
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:38,119
grandfather was saying was like I think he was like

961
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you have to get a job, like you have to

962
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,559
go to school something, and not just sitting in a

963
00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:45,920
camper taking apart microwaves ye like and he refused.

964
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he basically said, fuck you, I'm not doing it.

965
00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:51,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.

966
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Speaker 4: I don't know that there was financial abuse on him

967
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from the grandfather, but I think that there was for

968
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the sisters, Like he was constantly like, well, if you

969
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do this, I'm not going to give you your monthly

970
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:06,119
allowance if you do this, or like how I guess he.

971
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Speaker 2: Was super controlling and crazy.

972
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so I don't know if that was the

973
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case with Nathan. But they also said that the grandfather

974
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could get violent, Like they said that it like sometimes

975
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came to blows with his daughters.

976
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:21,039
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

977
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Speaker 4: So I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility

978
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that he got into a fight with the kid. I mean,

979
00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:34,480
I don't know who's walking around with a rifle, Like

980
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,840
that's a pretty big thing to hide.

981
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. The whole thing is.

982
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 4: I've got a lot of questions, got a lot of answers.

983
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:42,519
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of questions.

984
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 2: I know, I want to know more.

985
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,119
Speaker 3: It reminds me of that one about the that I've

986
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:50,079
already now forgotten the name of the woman that we've

987
00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:51,320
talked about on the cruise ship.

988
00:49:51,559 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I can't remember her name either.

989
00:49:54,519 --> 00:49:56,519
Speaker 2: Kind of reminds me of that kind of thing where

990
00:49:56,519 --> 00:49:57,760
you're like, well we ever know.

991
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 4: Well, And that's the thing is I'm way to hear

992
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,960
what information we don't have yet, because with that with

993
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:07,199
the cruise ship, there was so much that came out

994
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:11,199
after that, like poketols on a lot of those theories.

995
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,119
Speaker 1: So I'm that is true, but there is.

996
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: Real strong evidence that this kid did it. Yeah.

997
00:50:19,199 --> 00:50:23,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how you find another explanation.

998
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 2: There were none even brought up. I mean no, well.

999
00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 4: They didn't go beyond him for I mean, I don't

1000
00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:33,880
know who they looked at for the grandfather's murder, like

1001
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,000
other than the mom.

1002
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:36,599
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1003
00:50:36,679 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 3: And then the stuff about when he goes out on

1004
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,079
the boat with his mom and he's like his story

1005
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,719
just keeps changing. And that was not really just the interrogation.

1006
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,039
That was just him going like well, they're like, well

1007
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:51,239
what was the other forty five minutes though, and he's like, uh,

1008
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,639
got lost? No, you didn't get lost, and he's like,

1009
00:50:55,159 --> 00:50:58,440
they showed the map of where he's driving, it's just

1010
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,920
like driving around and it was like his explanations made

1011
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:02,400
no sense.

1012
00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess not.

1013
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,079
Speaker 4: I sort of related to the getting lost thing though,

1014
00:51:06,119 --> 00:51:08,119
because like I'm like, it's.

1015
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: Three in the morning, you're probably zoning out. And then

1016
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:11,519
you're like, well, it.

1017
00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: Is my action on that little fishing boat in the

1018
00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:15,320
middle of the night.

1019
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: In the middle of the night.

1020
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that I don't understand.

1021
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,199
Speaker 4: But there were a lot of things like when the

1022
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,400
detective was like, well, he bought eel, but then he

1023
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,519
left it in the car, and if they were going fishing,

1024
00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:26,039
why would he leave it in the car. And it's like,

1025
00:51:26,079 --> 00:51:29,239
you don't leave eel on your car on purpose, Like

1026
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:33,559
that was he just forgot because that's stinky, right right.

1027
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:36,159
But then I was like, so there was a thing

1028
00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:40,559
about like him taking the plate thing off the back

1029
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:42,800
of the boat and that's what let.

1030
00:51:42,639 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 2: The water because he drilled holes.

1031
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't that he drilled holes.

1032
00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 4: It was that there was something attached to the back

1033
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,199
of the boat and he took the bolts off, he

1034
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,199
removed the thing so that there were holes. Yeah, but

1035
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,119
then I read that he filled the holes that he

1036
00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:58,559
was seen filling the holes with like some sort of putty,

1037
00:51:59,559 --> 00:52:00,559
so that it's weird.

1038
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. Man, Yeah he did it.

1039
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:08,639
You're welcome, We've solved the crime.

1040
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:09,519
Speaker 2: Whatever.

1041
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 3: Oh my god, this has been super fun. I'm so

1042
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,840
happy that you are available to come in. I love

1043
00:52:16,519 --> 00:52:20,760
this was great. Okay, and before we go, first of all,

1044
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,920
let's do another shout out for your jewelry company. Great

1045
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:29,760
by Tamra Mellow. It's on Etsy. They she makes fabulous,

1046
00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:32,880
really cool, very specific.

1047
00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 2: If you want, like an anniversary gaft.

1048
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,199
Speaker 3: You do like the different years, the different metals for

1049
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,679
the different years. You do these really cool coughs, you

1050
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,360
do great necklaces and you and I can't not do

1051
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,119
a shout out for the guitar pick that Xander loves his.

1052
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 2: I've posted pictures for you guys. Last year. I think

1053
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,719
I gave him the guitar pick for Christmas.

1054
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,039
Speaker 1: I think so yeah, yeah, and it was a huge hit.

1055
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: And he wears it all the time.

1056
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,159
Speaker 1: Oh that makes me so happy.

1057
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 2: Yeah for Xander. Yeah, it's like a little silver it's.

1058
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 4: All silver, a guitar pick, but an I HAMD stamp everything,

1059
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,480
so everything is like made by me by hand in

1060
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:14,480
my studio, and I customize things by like stamping letters,

1061
00:53:14,519 --> 00:53:16,880
like one little letter at a time into the metal.

1062
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,039
So for Xander's pick, we just put a big X

1063
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:20,119
in the middle of his pick.

1064
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:21,039
Speaker 2: It's so cool.

1065
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: He loves it.

1066
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,079
Speaker 3: He wears it all the time. So if for all

1067
00:53:24,159 --> 00:53:27,800
the little the musicians in your life, the guitar players,

1068
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,480
get them this necklace, they love it.

1069
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: Thanks.

1070
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 3: And then as always, Adams got a car. That's our

1071
00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:38,480
that's our car broker. He's a personal friend of mine,

1072
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:44,320
my friend Cecily's husband, and he figures out the best

1073
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,199
deals and takes all the headache out of getting a car.

1074
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,599
Saves you a lot of money. But we already did

1075
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:55,239
all the other shouts except for our name shouts. Christa,

1076
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,320
get the strap, Stephanie's a stinker, rinker, Sandra, it's not

1077
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,960
easy being green, Jennifer, get up. Aaron's a dirty Sanchez, Leslie, Okay,

1078
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,199
it's the season for coughing.

1079
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:04,639
Speaker 2: I get it.

1080
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,679
Speaker 3: Alicia Escalante from the City of Ville Monte. Kelly Brandt

1081
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,679
is not your aunt, but she'll act like one. Stand

1082
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:13,679
in Rebecca and Open is very cute and Echon Voge

1083
00:54:13,679 --> 00:54:17,079
Pey is so sexy, and Missy and Gabby are up

1084
00:54:17,079 --> 00:54:18,440
to no good as usual.

1085
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:20,119
Speaker 2: Katerina, check your molar.

1086
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,159
Speaker 3: Valerie hits it out of the park, Polly, you love

1087
00:54:23,199 --> 00:54:27,280
your pancakes, Rita is rocking, Elizabeth Williamson's many kids in

1088
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,159
our best's and Net and Nikki call your girl, and

1089
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,679
Dick keep on frolicking, and I hope you guys had

1090
00:54:33,679 --> 00:54:38,000
a happy Thanksgiving. Listen to our Patreon because we got

1091
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:43,679
into it about like family stuff, and yeah, thank you again, Tamra.

1092
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:45,039
Speaker 2: Thank you right now.

1093
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: Don't nuff it up. It's good.

1094
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:53,199
Speaker 3: Many good