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Speaker 1: Understand the thinking atheist. It's not a person, it's a symbol,

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an idea.

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Speaker 2: The population of atheists this country is going through the.

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Speaker 1: Rule, rejecting faith, pursuing knowledge, challenging the sacred. If I

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tell the truth, it's because I tell the truth, not because.

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Speaker 3: I put my hand on a book and made a wish.

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Speaker 1: And working together for a more rational world.

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Speaker 2: Take the risk of thinking. Feel so much more happiness.

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Truth Fusian wisdom will come to you that way.

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Speaker 1: Assume nothing, question everything, and start thinking. This is the

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Thinking Atheist podcast hosted by Seth Andrews.

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Speaker 2: So I was trying to figure out how to mark

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this late milestone podcast number eight hundred. This broadcast had

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been on the air off and on for fifteen years sixteen.

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We started in twenty ten, so that's almost fifteen years.

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And I went on Facebook and I made an informal

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poll who would you like to hear or who should

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I invite as a guest, And a surprising number of

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people said, grab your wife because we want to ask

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your questions. Okay, fine, that's what we did. FYI. About

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five minutes into our discussion, we were talking about Linus

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going to the vet, and we found out after the fact,

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so I just want you to know. The doc said

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it was arthritis, probably rooted to the injury that he

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had when he broke his paw in a door a

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couple of years ago, and so he is on medication

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for that paw and he seems to be doing better.

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So just havey I if you would like to watch

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the interview instead of just listen. There was a YouTube

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link in the description box of the show. Today's broadcast

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is going to be really about what do you want

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to ask? You can ask me, You can ask Natalie.

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I throw myself at her disposal and the title I said,

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ask Natalie almost anything. So there will be a boundary, right,

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I mean if somebody gets inappropriate, right, Yeah? I mean

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I trust you with that. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Do I mean to be honest or you want me

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to know what you'd be honest?

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Speaker 2: But I mean if somebody asked something that's kind of

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you know, private or too private. We need a safe word.

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What's the safe word?

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Speaker 4: Do you want to say? Our real safe work? It's pineapple?

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Speaker 2: Pineapple. We saw this on a show somewhere where when

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somebody had a safe word. What was it? It was

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Steve Irwin and there was a guy who was on

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his show and he was handling an animal. He said,

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how do I know you're genuinely afraid or when you're

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just acting? We need a safe word, and the guy

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I said, my safe word is pineapple, and so ever since,

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our safe word is pineapple. So if anything happens, you

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got to say the word pineapple. Okay, all right? So anyway,

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I had a few questions on the Facebook page, and

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they were, as I'm waiting for the switchboard to populate,

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when Seth turned this is Daria. When Seth turns his

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radio voice in your direction, what's he usually begging for?

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All right? Hear me? Love me?

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Speaker 4: So we call this it is his radio voice, but

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I also call it his working voice, his work in

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it voice, And it's usually when he's trying to convince

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me of his idea. He wants me to see the

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things the way that he sees it, so he'll turn

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on his work in a.

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Speaker 2: Voice, change my voice when I'm trying to be convincing.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm, it goes a little bit lower, a little

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bit softer, a little bit slower. They know what I'm

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talking about, yet.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not that I'm being disingenuous, am I.

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I mean, I'm speaking from a point of sincerity.

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Speaker 4: I think you're just trying to convince.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's true. Who wouldn't want to convince somebody else

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at their point of view? But you're saying that I

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go into performance some kind of a.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, Yeah, there's a performance a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I'm all self conscious. I'm all self conscious. I'm having

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to lean into the frame. We don't have a whole

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lot of room in our chairs are bumping, so she

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and I are getting a shoulder to shoulder. Let's see

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how is Linus doing? Laurie, thank you for the question.

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You want to tell the story. Linus started to act

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really funny a couple of days ago. He's a little

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seven eight pound multi Pooh rescue and he is our world,

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Linus and Gracie, and he all of a sudden started

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to just glaze over. His eyes looked not right. I

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don't know how would you describe his expression.

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Speaker 4: He looked like he was in pain. He was he

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was standing on all four limbs, but he was kind

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with his movement. And when we were walking, he normally

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he's bouncing around the neighborhood and he's sort of cock

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of the walk and he's the biggest dog on the street,

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even though he's a tiny little hairdresser dog. And this

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time he was more. He was sort of one and done,

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and you could tell he wasn't quite himself. We took

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him to the vet. He's not quite back, but he's better.

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still watching him really closely.

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Speaker 4: But okay, these questions are cracking me up. You got

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to go back up to Colorado Biker. Yes, he is

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trying to smooth talk.

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Speaker 2: I think you're going to be blushing in a few minutes.

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Speaker 4: Some of look pale. Pineapple on pizza for sure.

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Speaker 2: Does Natalie like pineapple on pizza?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 2: Why wouldn't it be a legitimatey? A it is A

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it is, Katie says, manipulative Yello, Well, I'm not manipult

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a difference. But thank you, kind of like begging smooth

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talk smooth talking, says Colorado biker. Oh, there's a super chat,

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and thank you for the support of this channel. With

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your super chats, I will make sure and read all

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of those. For that gorgeous wife of yours. She has

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the better hair dye.

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Speaker 4: So I'll tell you something about Seth that he does

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not understand. He does not understand the prices of women's hair,

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expensive handbags, perfume, the girly things, the things that we like.

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go get your hair colored. If you don't like the gray.

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I like the gray. I think it looks smart.

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Speaker 2: People try to make you feel better because they say silver. Right,

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it's silver, the silverfox.

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Speaker 4: You know it looks good. But he won't go get

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a slippery slope. First of all, once you

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dye it, then you're dying it forever, and everybody knows

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you dyet because all of a sudden your gray hair disappeared.

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when somebody walks into a room with a bad two pay.

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a two pay, just know that no one has heard

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a word you've said ever right, because they're looking at

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your head. And I've always thought, well, I'm not that

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self conscious. And secondly, what happens if you get the

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color on? Because an unnatural color is just just a

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big flashing no no, So how do I prevent that?

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somebody who understands gray and his hair. It's going to

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cost you more than ten dollars for the haircut.

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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm seth. I'm in a midlife crisis. Can you

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make me look like Hugh Jackman? Here is my money?

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Speaker 4: I'm just going to say thank you, doctor Andy for

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the kind compliment. Oh, it's really good, it's really nice.

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Speaker 2: He does give bored a lot.

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Speaker 4: I think he is somebody who is always has to

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and I'm in the exact opposite. I need a lot

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of downtime. So I think I bore him sometimes when I, oh.

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Speaker 2: No, you don't bore me. It's not that I have

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to be out and active you know those sanguine temperaments,

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who are They have to always be in the company people,

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and they have to have activities twenty four to seven,

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and they're restless all the time. For me, it's more

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like I kind of bounce in my chair. Even when

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my own company. But mill of the night, right one

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thirty two o'clock, he's up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he'll get up, he'll me and er. He thinks

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he's being really quiet. But Seth is a very loud person,

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just by default. He breathes loud, he walks loud, cleans

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the kitchen, he does clean the kitchen a lot. But

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it's loud, so loud that the dogs will retreat because

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they get scared of the noises. But really so he'll so,

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he'll think he's being really quiet, and he'll try to

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tiptoe out one thirty two o'clock in the morning and

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he'll shut the door. Or maybe I'm just a really

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light sleeper. Maybe that's gaybe that could be it.

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Speaker 2: It's me. I'm trying to be gentle. I'm trying to

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close doors softly. I'm trying to tiptoe I lay the coffee.

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lay the coffee cup just, you know, lightly on the countertop,

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but very thoughtful sound carries. I'm not trying to be

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loud or noisy. What she really hates is when I

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eat tortilla chips, because apparently my head is like a

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Speaker 4: It's the loudest thing you will ever hear, Like, I

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don't know. It has to be intentional or eating a banana,

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like I'm one of those people. And it's not just

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seth anybody eating a banana. Really, there's a word for that,

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have that condition characteristic. But yeah, it's true. I can

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Speaker 4: Chips, and I try not to even keep them in

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Speaker 2: After the third one, I just hear in the background,

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Oh my god, I get no grace. I get no grace.

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Let's see Bobby in Mississippi. We don't safe say Natalie,

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it's net Lee. What do you cook when you want

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Speaker 4: Seth oh, not cake?

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Speaker 2: Tell them?

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Speaker 4: Okay. So yesterday was SE's birthday and we had this

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going to take him to a sushi dinner. I was

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going to cook him at a three tier birthday cake.

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I'm not a baker. I can cook very well, but

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I cannot bake. I don't know why. It's an art form.

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So I had this great white cake recipe and we

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took all day to make it because you have to

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cool the layers before you make the icing. And then

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we're going to go to this dog show maybe that

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very very dense. The buttercream icing had split, and I

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made like a strawberry preserve and it was too runny.

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you know, strawberry in the middle, and I've got the

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broken icing in the middle. I was making a naked cake,

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if you guys know what that is. It's like where

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it's just very limited icing on the outside, only on

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the top. And so when I was finished, it looked

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like the icing looked like vomit because it had split,

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and then the red cherry looked like blood and it

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was dribbling all over the side. It was like a

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horrific cake.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't horrific, it just you know, some time.

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Speaker 4: It was really cood.

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Speaker 2: The science of baking his heart. I think it's hard

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to put stuff agein. But we made it together. And

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Speaker 4: It was a bad cake. It was a sad movie.

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Speaker 2: It was It was not a sad movie.

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Speaker 4: He didn't make it to sushi. I made him a sandwich.

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regret and see. I go to the movies and I

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don't mind leaving a little melancholy as long as the

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movie grabbed me by the heart. I want to take

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a journey. I want to care, and so I don't.

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leave more. You want to go and feel better.

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one hundred and fifty pound dollar day and she didn't

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know what to do with a dog, and it was just, yeah,

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it was a little bit true real, like you think

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about what would happen to Linus and Gracie if we died,

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and how would they feel like waiting for us by

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the door and we never came home, Like it was

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years old, then you're looking at them once you fall

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in love, like who is your friend when you were

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a puppy? Who did you play with? Yeah, and we

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have those conversations like I wonder what Gracie was like

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as a puppy or yeah, yeah, the mortality of it

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and then the price you pay a heavy price for

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love and is it worth it?

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Speaker 4: I love you so much.

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Speaker 2: Uh. Miss Aphonia is the word when sounds drive you crazy,

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Janet said, I'm a woman and don't understand all that

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crap either. If you need it to feel like a

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woman or feel good about yourself, you have deeper problem us. Janet. Probably,

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so thanks for the kind words, Macho appreciate.

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Speaker 4: Blame it on my father.

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Speaker 2: Do either of you play musical instruments? Old uncle Bob says,

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are you musical? Used to sing?

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back up. I sing just good. I probably couldn't carry

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a tune on my own very well, but I can

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do some harmony. Seth, and I was a drummer in

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the Pride of Broken Ero.

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did the rifle.

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Speaker 4: I did, so I got bored with drums because I

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was the only girl. I was first chair, so that

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was cool. I come from a long line of drummers

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little bit of piano. I could play the chopsticks on

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the piano. But Seth, you guys might already know he

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plays the piano very beautifully. He can sing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'm not a singer. I'm a speaker.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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just don't have that ability. I played a little bit

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by ear. I didn't have the patience for music lessons.

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looking at I was looking at the chords and you know,

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the trouble cleft and the bass cleft and all of this,

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and I didn't have patience. And again, I'm vibrating in

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my chair, and I just wanted to play what I

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wanted to play, freestyle, and I had not much discipline.

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I do regret that. I do wish I could go

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back and be, you know, a kid again and pay

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more attention. Does that make sense? I probably like how

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you would approach college if you blew off college when

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you were nineteen, but then you were twenty nine and

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you thought, wow, you know, I would do it differently now.

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I mean that's fair, isn't it. Colorado Biker said, I

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used to be a professional chef. I could give you lessons.

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Baking is an art and a science. Don't be sad.

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It takes years to get good at So you.

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Speaker 4: Know, when we were baking the cake, we were doing

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the measurements. That's exact same that that we said. You know,

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baking as a science, you had to get everything perfectly measured,

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and it just felt like it was going so well.

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it all came together, it was just I mean, the

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cake went into the trash, that's how bad it was.

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Speaker 2: I've got an open switchboard and if anybody wants to

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dial in, the phone number is in the show notes

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or the description box. You can also do a web

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call with that link. I'm going to try Nancy at

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every coach seven zero two. Nancy, are you with us?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Hi, Seth Hi Natalie.

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Speaker 2: How are you both turned down your radio or whatever

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it is? I'm hearing some delay there.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, hang on one moment.

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Speaker 2: You're fine, take your time?

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Speaker 6: Is that better?

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Speaker 2: It is better? Nancy? What's on your mind? What do

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you want to talk about?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 6: I just wanted to say hi to Natalie. It's nice

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to get the opportunity to speak with you, since we

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don't get to hear from you. Too often.

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Speaker 3: Hi, I'm answer my question for you. How are you.

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Speaker 2: Every day's Christmas when you live with me? Nancy? I'm

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just I just want to throw that out there.

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Speaker 4: I did have that in my notes he gave me, So.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, what's your question?

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Speaker 6: No, I just wanted to know. I wanted to know

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what was the biggest surprise about getting to know Seth.

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Speaker 2: I'm interested in this A good question.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to think about that for a minute.

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The biggest surprise about getting to know him, So Seth

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and I before we got married, we had lived together.

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Can I say that, you guys aren't going to judge.

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We live together for many many years because we had

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the divide of belief systems and just making sure that

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we could coexist and be respectful of each other's, you know,

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life choices and thoughts and ideas. I think the biggest

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thing that surprised me the most was so we played

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tennis together, and when we first met, we met on

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the tennis court. He was a pretty good tennis player,

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still is. But I think the biggest thing that surprised

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me was, you know, he had tennis elbow surgery and

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then when he came back from that he wasn't very good.

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Speaker 2: So and I'm a.

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and cards and tennis un less so now because my name,

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my game's not that very not good anymore either.

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Speaker 2: But really, this is the thing. She's waiting for, some

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deep relational revelation. And you're like, he sucked after he

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had his elbow operated.

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Speaker 4: At but I'm telling you it was it was like

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a big it was a big change. And so he

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he and I would play, you know, for for a

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tennis team, for like a ust A tennis team together,

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and he started out and like, you know how big

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a tennis court is, Like all you have to hit

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at the spot this big in the tennis court. Really

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and kind of he would go through this we call

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him Bunch, We would he would go through this thing

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where every ball was out like and so finally I'd

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be like, you just need to pick one little spot

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in this big blue field. Like it's harder to hit

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the ball out than it would be to hit So

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that was kind of surprising.

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Speaker 2: See, I was waiting for some that's some really rich insight.

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And you're like, you're talking about my tennis game. I

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just didn't expect that.

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Speaker 4: So so honestly, when when Seth and I first met,

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he did not he did not not disclose that he

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was an atheist. And you have to remember back at

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that time, I, you know, years before, I was at

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a big megachurch in our local town and you know,

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we taught there. We very very involved and you know,

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we were taught atheist eight babies and like we didn't

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know any I'm in the Bible belt of Oklahoma. There

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are no atheists, right, and so he was. I remember

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we were talking and he was telling me, you know,

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and Seth to know him personally, he's very kind, very generous,

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very thoughtful, very encouraging. He does not display the ideas

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of what a lot of people think an atheist would be,

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you know, the angry, the whatever stereotypes that somebody might

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have until they know one. And so I think that

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was that was the thing that I learned most because

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twenty years ago I wouldn't have been a friend with

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an atheist because it was scary. I was taught to

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fear that didn't know anybody. And so I think the

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thing that I was most surprised and the thing that

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Seth honestly has taught me a lot about is that

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atheists are good people, and they're people like me, and

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sometimes have better morals and better people's skills and better

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humanitarian ideas. So in truth, that's probably the thing that

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has surprised me the most, or has made me grow

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beyond where I was just by having met him. So

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I would say, I would say that.

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Speaker 2: All right, Nancy, did you have anything else for us?

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Speaker 3: No, that's excellent. I like it.

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Speaker 6: I got some of the humor I left the tennis,

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and then I got the meat of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that's great.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much. This is okay, and I both

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hope that both of you have a great team.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Nancy, much appreciated. Lots more to talk about

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with your chats and your calls, comments, questions. It's Natalie

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helping me Mark. Show number eight hundred will continue after this.

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A lot of people have only recently discovered this broadcast,

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and I've got some who've been with me since day

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one in the summer of twenty ten, and they've been

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partners of me in the show for eight hundred episodes.

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So regardless of whether you are new or whether you

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are a longtime veteran listener, thank you so much for

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getting us to this point. The show is a conversation

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between you and my wife, and already I hope, I

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hope it has proven interesting for you. So this is related.

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I'll let you go as deep as you want. From

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former two free XJW. You've mentioned a mixed faith relationship.

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How do you navigate belief versus non belief between you two?

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You'd call yourself probably spiritual more than anything else.

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Speaker 4: I would. I have definitely changed. I mean, I'm the girl.

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I have a voodoo doll downstairs that I'm not afraid

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to use. I have garlic, I have a Buddha in

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the in the bathroom. I've got an atheist as a partner.

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I mean, I feel like I'm just all encompassing. I'm inclusive. Yeah,

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what about myself?

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Speaker 2: Just throw the rock out and let it hit every

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every possibility. And you know, she she believed like, I'm

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going in a ghost time at the end of May

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at a haunted hotel in Kansas, and I'm gonna take

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video cameras and we're gonna you know, I've got the

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instruments and I'm doing it. Natalie would say, my mind

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is already closed, but I am doing it with some tools.

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I've got the uh, the electrometer and the you know,

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divining rod. I mean, I'm gonna the black light and

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the temperature gauge.

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Speaker 4: You know what you're gonna. You're gonna piss them off,

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is what's going about.

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Speaker 2: You're going to be mocking.

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Speaker 4: You're going to piss off the spirits, and then you

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are going to come after me.

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Speaker 2: Do you think so?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 2: Anyway? But she would say, you've already made up your mind. Well,

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I am conditioned from seeing a whole lit of ghost

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claims totally unsubstantiated and or debunked. But if a ghostly

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thing happened, I would want to know that. And I've

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invited her to go on a ghost thing with me.

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I want to stay at the Stanley Hotel in Colorado,

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which is where Stephen King got inspiration for the Shining Honey,

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would you like to stay at the Stanley? And she says,

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I'm good, But I have.

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Speaker 4: Been to the Saint Anthony Hotel and that's haunted.

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Speaker 2: San Antonio, Texas. She's convinced it's It was where the

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walls bleeding, they.

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Speaker 4: Were weeping in the bathroom. They were not kidding, So

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we so we went to. It was a work trip

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to the Saint Anthony Hotel years and years ago, not

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seth but yeah, how long. It's been a long time

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ago before really cell phones had, you know, been a

473
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big thing. Not everybody had them. This business meeting was

474
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planned by other people. So I just went not knowing

475
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where we were going or what it was about. And

476
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,559
I immediately walked in with my husband and my two

477
00:25:03,559 --> 00:25:05,759
small children. I was like, this place is haunted. Because

478
00:25:05,799 --> 00:25:08,640
I was very spiritual. I was like, I could feel it,

479
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,400
you know. And comes to find out, everybody thought I

480
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,359
was crazy, but they started digging, and yes, that hotel

481
00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:17,319
is known for being haunted, and there were some weird

482
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,480
things that happened that we still talk about to this day.

483
00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: So I'm good.

484
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 4: I think I've been there, done that.

485
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 2: I wasn't even looking for it. I wasn't it marketed

486
00:25:24,279 --> 00:25:26,160
as being haunted. It was, but it.

487
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,039
Speaker 4: Wasn't marketed that way to me because I didn't know

488
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anything about it. So I walked in.

489
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,599
Speaker 2: You're intuition, said my women.

490
00:25:32,759 --> 00:25:36,759
Speaker 4: Intuition said, you're about to die in this place.

491
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:38,839
Speaker 2: Did you piss off the spirits?

492
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 4: I think we did piss off the spirits. I ended

493
00:25:40,759 --> 00:25:43,720
up getting sick, like I never I'm a person that

494
00:25:43,839 --> 00:25:46,599
never gets like food poisoning. I guess I got some

495
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,519
kind of food poisoning. I was up in the weeping

496
00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:51,400
bathroom in the middle of the night, throwing up, got

497
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,920
freaked out on the and there they had a pole

498
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,519
on the tenth floor that my young daughter and I

499
00:25:56,599 --> 00:25:59,640
went to and we were both like really really scared

500
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,440
that we to leave and we went home and looked

501
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,920
at there was a story of a haunting at that pool,

502
00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:07,839
and yeah, so have fun with that.

503
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,319
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I mean you can see I've probably

504
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,000
lost everybody. You can see.

505
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 4: I'm a little bit woo. I like the wu. I

506
00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:17,960
like the this, you know, I feel like watchmaker. I

507
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,599
think that's what I'm probably a watchmaker person.

508
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 2: Like something set it all in motion, and there's the unexplained.

509
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,400
Maybe I just beyond the natural thing.

510
00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 4: Just just yeah, I just probably a higher power somewhere,

511
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,599
do you think, somewhere somewhere?

512
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 2: But if a higher power is not involved in our

513
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,799
lives in a meaningful way, like then it's all academic, right,

514
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,160
because really mostly then we're we only have each other.

515
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,119
Like does a higher power jump in and I don't.

516
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,559
Speaker 4: Feel like the higher power is going to jump in.

517
00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:50,960
I think the world is spinning. So you're still on it.

518
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:52,160
You haven't been flung off.

519
00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 2: There's probably there may be something out there.

520
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 4: They've already done everything that they're going to do.

521
00:26:56,279 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 2: We've got to solve each other's problems, right.

522
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,759
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, sure, yeah, it's going to take it. But

523
00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:02,519
who knows?

524
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 2: I mean, And I think that's interesting for a lot

525
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,079
of people who are like, how does an atheist and

526
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,920
a spiritual person share the same space? And I think

527
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,079
it's because we share values and we have we have

528
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:18,359
had plenty of conversations over the many many years we've

529
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,039
been together about really and what do you think of that?

530
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,720
And I don't buy that? And these have been spirited exchanges.

531
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,759
Speaker 4: And this is when the work in a voice comes in.

532
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,839
Speaker 2: No, I'm not working it, but I am saying that

533
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,720
at the then when it's all over. We care about

534
00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:36,759
the same things, and we want the same things. We

535
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,319
love people, we have the same we have shared interest

536
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:45,200
despite our very different personalities. And she's my person. I

537
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,160
know she's got my back, and she's the person that

538
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,960
I want to share my life with. And it's hard

539
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,920
for a lot of people to understand, and then other

540
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,680
people will say, well, I'm a non believer married to

541
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,920
a Buddhist or even a Christian or something else, and

542
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,359
somehow they're able to make it work.

543
00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 4: I have I have friends here.

544
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,799
Speaker 2: Hang on, I try. Hang on. I'm just gonna have

545
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,119
to go through some of these. If you're on the switchboard,

546
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,680
be patient with me. Sherry said, I'm all about the

547
00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:11,920
wu as a psychic and medium. Sherry, you're killing me,

548
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,960
killing me, We've done. I wrote a book with a

549
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:19,720
chapter on psychics and who they are.

550
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,799
Speaker 4: So we went to We went to a psychic once

551
00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:25,599
and I was really disappointed in Seth because he wouldn't

552
00:28:25,599 --> 00:28:28,920
take the journey. This woman had a brand new crystal wall.

553
00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:30,640
It was sitting She's like, look into.

554
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,559
Speaker 2: It, pat in the lobby in the gift shop.

555
00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:36,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's awesome. And he just wouldn't go. He would

556
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,440
not take the journey. Oh wa payment reasons.

557
00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:43,759
Speaker 2: It was from my birthday in twenty fifteen in San

558
00:28:43,799 --> 00:28:49,279
Diego and Ocean Beach. I knew. I know, like I've

559
00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:51,759
read enough James Randy and enough of the work of

560
00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:55,839
the debunkers like Darren Brown to know what psychics do.

561
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:01,240
Hot reading, cold reading, shotgunning. There's so many tactics that

562
00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:05,200
are used by mentalists and suppose it's psychic. So when

563
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,880
I was there, it's a forensic experiment. So she's totally

564
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,680
in shotgun mode. But bing ba boom up. And then

565
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,720
she realizes when I started to push back and ask questions, well,

566
00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:17,680
wait a minute, you just reference this, is this a

567
00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:20,000
druid thing from the Festival of Sowen, And how do

568
00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:21,680
you relate that to so and so? And she just

569
00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:24,039
totally blanked and she said, do you believe in you

570
00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:26,200
don't believe in God? And I said no. So she

571
00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:29,039
took the God card, the tearot card off the table

572
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:31,480
and stuck it over here, and then she continued without

573
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,680
it and kind of adjusted. And then she said, there

574
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,720
will be a woman that enters your professional life.

575
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, and now that's where we got a fight.

576
00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:42,799
Speaker 2: What my fault? She said, there will be a woman

577
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,039
in your professional life and you will engage in a

578
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,759
romantic I don't know.

579
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,799
Speaker 4: If it was romantic. It just said that she would

580
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:52,440
be like, you're very.

581
00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:54,319
Speaker 2: Like a confidante or something.

582
00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:56,039
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, who's so.

583
00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's in the back and.

584
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 4: A woman has a dream about their husband doing something

585
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,839
and you wake up and you're like, how could you

586
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:03,720
it was?

587
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,599
Speaker 2: I'm like, thank you very much for that. Well, it's

588
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,240
been ten years. I have no confidants who were coming

589
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:12,079
in here and snooping around, all right, But anyway, she

590
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,559
wishes I had just surrendered to the experience, and maybe

591
00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:18,519
I could have. And I'm going to try to do

592
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:20,400
that a little more during the ghost hunt. I'm not

593
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,839
going to walk in and be a total asshole about it.

594
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 4: You'll miss some of the fun that way. It's just

595
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:26,720
for entertainment.

596
00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad I buy that. If you're going to

597
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,880
be entertained, and I think people are really good at

598
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,279
scaring themselves. You throw me in a dark castle, dungeon,

599
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,559
you throw me in an abandoned hospital with the lights off,

600
00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:41,319
and say spend the night here. I will. I can

601
00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:44,359
freak myself out pretty easy, right, I don't need ghosts

602
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,880
to do it. I would hear every rustle, every sound,

603
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,000
every breath of wind, So I mean I can do that.

604
00:30:50,119 --> 00:30:52,839
Would you stay the night in an abandoned hospital? Not me?

605
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: No?

606
00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 2: Twenty thousand dollars, no fifty thousand dollars, no.

607
00:30:58,279 --> 00:30:58,759
Speaker 4: Keep going?

608
00:31:00,359 --> 00:31:07,039
Speaker 2: Really, maybe is it Jerome or Jeremy at sixty zero?

609
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:07,359
Speaker 7: Hi?

610
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: How do I pronounce your name? It is Jerome, Jerome. Welcome.

611
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,759
You're on with Natalie and her husband. That's what we

612
00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:18,720
should call today's broadcast, Natalie and her husband.

613
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,839
Speaker 5: Hello, Natalie and Natalie's husband.

614
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:22,599
Speaker 2: What's up? What's on your mind? What do you want

615
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:23,200
to talk about?

616
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,119
Speaker 5: What you talked about Linus your dog? And I hear

617
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,160
the affection in your voice when you talk about Linus

618
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,240
all the time, and that's very sweet. Whenever I hear

619
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the name Linus, I think of my childhood because I

620
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,839
grew up Catholic. And you may not know this, but

621
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they have a Eucharistic prayers number one, two, three, and four.

622
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:49,319
In an Eucharistic prayer number one, they rattle off the

623
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:55,880
litany of saints. So they say Lionus, Cletus, Clement, Sixtus, Cornelius, Carsogonist, John, Paul, Cosmos,

624
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,599
and Damien and we honor this that, And they go

625
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,599
through all these names, and but Linus heads up the names.

626
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,279
And it always makes me think of my childhood when

627
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:06,400
you mentioned Linus.

628
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,119
Speaker 2: So there's a saint Linus.

629
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 5: Apparently interesting. You know he's going to the Catholics. They

630
00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:19,240
know all these things.

631
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 4: So Linus, if you ever watched like the Charlie Brown,

632
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:27,200
the Little Linus character that carried his blanket, Linus has

633
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,359
a blanket that he choose on.

634
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,839
Speaker 2: So that's what I think. We needed a different name

635
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,160
when we rescued him, because when we got him from

636
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:39,880
the Humane Society, he was named Santa. Yeah, they called

637
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,839
him Santa, And I get it. If you work for

638
00:32:41,839 --> 00:32:45,119
a rescue, you're having to try to name thousands of dogs,

639
00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:46,680
and I think they were just grasping. And it was

640
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,599
around the holidays when they rescued him, so he was

641
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,559
Santa and we're like, no, that's not going to work.

642
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,119
And so we went through a litany of names. I

643
00:32:54,119 --> 00:32:56,559
think it was your daughter that came up with Linus

644
00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:59,400
and we were like, yes, yes, and he totally looks

645
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,119
like a Linus and he's my son and I need

646
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,559
him to live forever. I'm going to look up Linus

647
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,200
the Saint Jerome and see what the Internet has to

648
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,839
say about that. Was there anything else?

649
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 5: No, that's it. I just thought you might enjoy knowing

650
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,319
that Linus was the head of a long list of

651
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,440
saint names they get thrown out by then the Catholic

652
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:21,319
eucharistic prayer.

653
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Speaker 2: Love it, love it. Thanks for the infol appreciate you.

654
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 5: Take care.

655
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: All right, we'll see Pope Linus. I found this. I

656
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,240
don't know if this is what they're talking about. I'm

657
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,880
guessing if it's a Catholic icon, it's gotta be. Pope

658
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:40,559
Linus was the Bishop of Rome. That would be what

659
00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:44,839
sixty eight CE to EIGHTYCEE generally regarded as the second

660
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,920
Bishop of Rome after Saint Peter, and he was canonized

661
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:55,279
as a saint. According to Arenaeus, Linus is the same

662
00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:59,000
person as the one mentioned in the New Testament, mentioned

663
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,000
in the Valediction and up the Second Epistle to Timothy

664
00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:05,599
two Timothy four twenty one as being with Paul the

665
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,440
Apostle in Rome near the end of Paul's life. So

666
00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:12,199
this family has more than one biblical name. I'll cover

667
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:18,480
the Old Testament, and apparently Linus covers the New I

668
00:34:18,519 --> 00:34:20,840
just don't remember ever seeing the word Linus in the Bible.

669
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,760
Doesn't sound like a biblical name. Let's talk the wait

670
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,199
hang on. Drew Zilla said, there's a lot of Christians

671
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,280
that wouldn't be able to be together because they have

672
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,000
different views. I would guess a lot of those would

673
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,960
be in terms of their values, what they care about.

674
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,880
But I feel like you and I share values about

675
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:41,400
the world.

676
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 6: You know.

677
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,599
Speaker 2: It's like when I'm allied with religious people who are

678
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,199
humanist activists on the front line against Christian nationalism. Some

679
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:57,199
people don't understand why I stand shoulder to shoulder with Christians, Jews, Hindu, Sikhs, Buddhist,

680
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,519
et cetera, and they stand shoulder to shoulder with me,

681
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:01,960
And I'm like, it's because they're wonderful people and because

682
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,559
we share values. We can discuss theology all day long,

683
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,360
but as long as underneath the more academic stuff, we

684
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,039
line up in terms of what's important and to tell

685
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:16,000
the truth and to be moral and how to treat

686
00:35:16,039 --> 00:35:18,079
people and to build a better world, That's what I'm

687
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:18,719
interested in.

688
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,559
Speaker 4: I feel like there's a lot of different variations of

689
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:25,000
Christians right now, and I don't want to get too political,

690
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:27,159
because I know we're all just exhausted with it. But

691
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,960
all Christians are not equal anymore.

692
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,079
Speaker 2: They're not remotely And I.

693
00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:35,599
Speaker 4: Feel like, you know, I was reading last night just

694
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:39,360
about somebody who would you know, claim to be a

695
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,280
Christian are now saying we're not Christians, we're followers of

696
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,760
Jesus because they want to separate themselves from what the

697
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,719
maga Christian, you know, that whole movement that's happening that's

698
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:56,000
bigoted and racist and judgmental. I think people, normal people.

699
00:35:56,039 --> 00:35:59,599
I guess I'm hoping normal people are growing weary of

700
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,920
all of that hatred. And to me, it seems like

701
00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:09,599
the Christian that we're talking about today is that narrow minded, hateful, judgmental,

702
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:18,519
you know, othering people who are not just like them.

703
00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: It's like the fundamentalist Christians who use the Bible to

704
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:29,079
preach hate against gay people, right, those fundamentalist preachers that

705
00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:31,599
say the government should round them up and execute them,

706
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or that God will send them to hell. And then

707
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you've got another swath of people that are like, my

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Jesus loves everybody. My Jesus made homosexuals the way they

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are and would never judge them. Now, granted, I think

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those Christians are unaware of the scriptures, but they are

711
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practicing a version of Christianity. So when people talk about

712
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Christians as any one thing, that's a problem, right, because

713
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I mean there is varied often as the people who

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believe what they believe. So are you looking something up?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I was gonna. I saw something the other day where

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people are asking them to verify if you're like the

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Maga Christian or if you're like the old gangs, old

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the og Christian, Like, how do you identify? Because now

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you're going to have to explain to yourself.

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Speaker 2: No, well, if you identify as a Christian, I don't

722
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think you how much latitude do we give?

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Speaker 4: It was classic Jesus or Republican Jesus's that's what you

724
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have to.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean the problem is And I narrated an

726
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audiobook with doctor David Madison. He wrote the book. He's

727
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an ex believer, next pastor in a theologian, and his

728
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,840
book is called ten Things Christians wish Jesus Hadn't taught.

729
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And there's this thinking that everything that Jesus said and

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did was light and love and come as you are

731
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in Kumbai yah. And a more objective and honest examination

732
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of Christ reveals some really problematic behaviors. Whorry, he likened

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a woman to a dog and essentially said some very

734
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racist things. We're talking about the same Jesus who was

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00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:10,440
one and the same with yahweh. We're talking about Jesus

736
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who separated the sheep from the goats and sent the

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unbelievers to burn, and hell depart from me, you who

738
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are cursed into an everlasting fire, those types of things,

739
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And so I think people then make a Jesus in

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their own image, don't they. Like, there's the fire and brimstone.

741
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Everybody I think is ick, he's going to hell Jesus

742
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:30,880
and those people hold onto that. And then the other

743
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,599
people that were like, well, I want to be a

744
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:35,840
Christian or I feel comfortable calling myself a Christian, but

745
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I can't abide all the awfulness. So my Jesus is

746
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going to love everybody unconditionally. That's fair, isn't it.

747
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fair.

748
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to, like really, back me up,

749
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just really.

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Speaker 4: It just makes me angry. We are surrounded by people

751
00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:59,039
who are are not I mean, go ahead, no, let's

752
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just change it. Yes, because I know they all have

753
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it too.

754
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Speaker 2: So I think you're worried it's going to become a downer.

755
00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:08,119
It might be in radio what we call or relate,

756
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,880
when you and I are speaking about something, even a

757
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,400
hard topic, and people are like, I feel that I

758
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:17,960
understand that frustration, and I think I'm going to start

759
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,239
and you don't have to finish, all right, So I'm

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00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,599
not making I'm not making the conversation go anywhere, but

761
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I do want to speak to We are surrounded by

762
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people who, it seems like most of the other aspects

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00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:34,559
of their lives would give you the shirt off their back,

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and they love their families, and they work hard, and

765
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,719
they seem to be good people, and they have done

766
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,239
this weird game of twister in their brain where they

767
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:53,840
can turn around and support the current administration and the

768
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:59,519
assaults on decency and democracy. And I can't I go

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back and is it because it's like I was in

770
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It's tax season, right, So I'm in the accountant's office

771
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,719
and I'm like, you know, I'm that guy. Here's my papers,

772
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just take it and fix it. And as Kathleen Madigan says,

773
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I'm going to try not to break into tears whenever

774
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,159
you give me a number, right, So I give them.

775
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But Fox News is on in one of the waiting

776
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rooms in the lobby of the building, and I'm sitting

777
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there for ten fifteen minutes waiting, and by the time

778
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I left, I thought it is no wonder that the

779
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people who are many of the people voting MAGA are

780
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voting the way they are because we don't live in

781
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:36,039
a shared reality. The shit they were hearing on Fox

782
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:43,239
was this weird alternate universe. We don't exist in a

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place where the facts are the same, the deeds and

784
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the words spoken to the same, so we don't have

785
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a Whenever you and I bring things up, they look

786
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at us like, oh, I've never heard that. I've never

787
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I don't know what you're talking about. So we then

788
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we have to provide sourcing, chapter and verse. We have

789
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to show them you're not going to go there, are you? Okay,

790
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,760
I won't make you. That's okay, Okay, but I know

791
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,119
she feels me. Yeah, And I've been trying to engage

792
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a little more with people out there.

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Speaker 4: I will say Heather had posted what Heather Richardson had posted.

794
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I'm sure a lot of your friends follow her. She's

795
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a historian of politics, and she had posted about I

796
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:31,239
guess this. People that work for the state have a

797
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,320
notification to tattle on non Christian workers within the state,

798
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and to the point where you know she's fearful and

799
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she's put on a list as a professor, which oftentimes

800
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,599
professors are the first ones on the watch list because

801
00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:50,880
she's posting, you know, chronicles about what is going on

802
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,719
on a day to day basis within this administration. But that,

803
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,679
you know, on a more serious note, whenever you think

804
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:02,239
about the atheist community, what you're doing in a public forum,

805
00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:05,000
what's to say that, you know, you guys aren't next

806
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:07,920
on the list? So I think, you know, this, this community,

807
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,400
this website, what you're doing is probably going to be

808
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even more important going forward.

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Speaker 2: To you think, So, I mean I do.

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Speaker 4: I do because I feel like, you know, as people

811
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start being fearful that their coworkers are going to tattle

812
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,519
on them for you know, simply living their truth. I mean,

813
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,400
I think that would be normal for people to want

814
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to retreat just a little bit, don't you.

815
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Speaker 2: Well. I think people will go, People will people will

816
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,840
rally to a point of community, and there will be

817
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,719
solidarity among those who are being marginalized. Atheists have been

818
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,920
a pretty easy target for a long time, and then

819
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,199
it became more and more normalized, and then Project twenty

820
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twenty five ers got in there, and now they're looking

821
00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:56,239
for quote unquote anti Christian bias in the halls of power,

822
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and they're supposed to report that in the government. What's

823
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,639
that even freaking look like. Somebody says, I don't believe it.

824
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:04,679
I think it's horseshit. Oh he's got anti Christian bias.

825
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Now he's on the list, Maybe loses his job.

826
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Speaker 4: I mean, that's where we are, that's where we're going,

827
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that's where we're heading. If something doesn't change.

828
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Speaker 2: I wonder if some of my stuff and other things

829
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,480
in the atheist space are being shadow band the algorithms

830
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:22,599
are just starting to push that content down or back

831
00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:25,800
a little bit. I don't know, but I don't think

832
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it's unreasonable to worry about it. One last break stand by.

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We'll do our last section of the broadcast with comments, questions,

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and your calls as my wife Natalie helps us mark

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show eight hundred. Thanks for supporting me and the Thinking

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my bride, and my love Natalie as she feels your questions,

845
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comments and whatever you want to say. The super chat

846
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in from Troy. Like all news broadcasters, we must know,

847
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does Seth wear pants during broadcast?

848
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Speaker 4: He says, skivs right now, I.

849
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Speaker 2: Am not wearing underwear, or I'm not just in underwear.

850
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I am, but I am wearing shorts. I'm wearing my

851
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,599
tennis shorts. So I've got a collar dress shirt and

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I am in great tennis shorts. So there's a glimpse

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behind the scenes. Gimpi Gaming ghosts aren't real. My proof

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when you're a quadriplegic at the plint removes on the

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Ouiji board coincidence, So I don't think so now. Gimpi

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Gaming is hysterical. Is kind of a comedian who calls

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in with some amazing one liners and has a tremendous

858
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sense of humor. I've got a web call without a name.

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Oh wait a minute, I think I see it at

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the beginning? Is it? Aj Hi? Are you with me?

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Speaker 7: Hey?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I am welcome. AJ. Let's talk. What's on your mind?

863
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Speaker 4: How you doing well?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I know you, AJ. I think I saw you an

866
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attendance at Objectively Dan's wedding in San Antonio, Texas a

867
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few weeks ago. I was, yeah, yeah, it's good to

868
00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:43,360
see you. Go for it.

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Speaker 7: What wat conversation? Not only is so nice to meet you,

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do you have.

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Speaker 2: A commoner question?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 7: Firstly, I wanted to say that I think that even

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though you both have a different God belief, it's amazing

876
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:06,559
to see that you both share so many, amazing more

877
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:10,880
of the values. I think that's that's something inspiring and

878
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to look look up to, especially like in this environment

879
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,480
that we're on living in right now, that is really

880
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:24,159
really scary. You know. I recently went to my citizenship interview,

881
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and after that, I was I was really scared to

882
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:30,679
even go to protest because I was like, what if

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they find something to like, you know, did I before

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or to be like say, you know, like we're gonna

885
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think you want to tell over something like that. So yeah,

886
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,639
I appreciate you both standing up for things that are right.

887
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But anyways, let's get to it. To lighten up the mood.

888
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I have a quick question. I almost broke set with

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00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:57,840
this question in the past. Okay, so I wanted to

890
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,840
ask natally the same question and know if Seth has

891
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,719
asked it to you. Okay, but how do you think?

892
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How do you think like in your head? Like, let's say,

893
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if you ask what you want for dinner? Does the

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thinking process in your head go just words like you

895
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hear yourself think, oh I want to have this or

896
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is it a visual thing like you suddenly imagine like

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see what you want to eat for dinners? Like I

898
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s Are you a visual thinker? Are you a verbal thinker?

899
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Just people that don't have any It's kind of it's

900
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,880
called a fantasia. What they don't see or hear anything

901
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,639
in their in their mind. It just kind of like

902
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I suppose they use like feelings.

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Speaker 4: That's a really interesting question. I've never I've never thought

904
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about that. I don't think I'm a visual thinker because

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I don't really see the dinner. I think I'm more

906
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practical minded. It's like, what do I have in the

907
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kitchen that I can throw together that everybody wants? We

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cook most of our food at home. So yeah, when

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he says what's for dinner? Unless I'm like craving something

910
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like if I think about, you know, this is what

911
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sounds good. But if there's nothing that sounds good, I

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think I'll go back to just being more practical minded

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of what can I throw together without having to go

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to the grocery store or your dash.

915
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Speaker 2: And spend twenty five dollars for a hamburger because we're

916
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desperately minded good. But I mean, as far as do

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you do you like? Is it words? Do you see

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pictures when you go through a process? Do you hear sounds?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 2: Are you cognizant of any of that?

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Speaker 4: No, I'm not. I don't. I don't feel like I

922
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hear sounds, I don't see pictures. I think I'm just

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more analytical of what is true that I can put

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my hands on and then try to, you know, solve

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whatever the problem is. Now, if it's something that's difficult,

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like feelings, you know, something that maybe makes you feel emotional,

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I will just block it off. I'll just wall it down.

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So obviously I have things to work through, but ill

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it down.

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Speaker 2: You know what happens then is that pressure bills.

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Speaker 4: I honestly think like if I don't have the power,

932
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if I don't feel like I have the power to

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fix it, then then I'm going to spin my wills

934
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and work myself up. Really, don't you feel like that?

935
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Like I can work myself up pretty Like when you

936
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:29,119
feel helpless and you feel overwhelming, sometimes you have to

937
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,760
go back and focus on the things that you can control.

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And you know, going back to politics, in a sea

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of maga people, the only thing I can control are

940
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the people that will engage in conversation and try to

941
00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:46,559
get them, which I know such things is they're incapable of.

942
00:49:47,159 --> 00:49:49,079
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if that's fair, but I

943
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:55,760
I have fought, I do fight cynicism when I see

944
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,840
what I what I consider to be a cult.

945
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just want people to go on their Like,

946
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,760
if they make a claim, I want them to go

947
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,679
on their cell phone and search for proof so they

948
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,760
can back it up and send it to me. And

949
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,920
nine times out of ten they can't. They're like, well,

950
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,280
I can't find proof, but I know the algorithms on

951
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,679
their phone are going to change when they when they

952
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,039
google things like that, and so I'm just trying to

953
00:50:18,119 --> 00:50:21,519
engage in conversation, you know, at a friend level. These

954
00:50:21,519 --> 00:50:24,519
are people that I know in the tennis community and

955
00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:27,880
try to get them to mindfully think about some of

956
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,159
the things that are happening. For example, Fox News is

957
00:50:31,199 --> 00:50:34,000
telling you all these people that they're rounding up and

958
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:38,639
you know, shipping off shore are hardened criminals, but nobody

959
00:50:38,639 --> 00:50:43,039
has had due process, so we really don't know if

960
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:46,400
that's the case. And so they I think they're hearing

961
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,000
the one liners and they take it as truth instead

962
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,039
of really kind of critically thinking about, you know, what

963
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:56,159
are the odds that all of these people are hardened criminals?

964
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,199
Speaker 2: Well some of that too, doesn't it speak too kind

965
00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:03,559
of an embedded xenophobia with some people. I mean they

966
00:51:03,679 --> 00:51:08,920
hear the immigrant, the foreigner, maybe the brown person, and

967
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:12,079
that speaks to something that was already there inside them,

968
00:51:12,119 --> 00:51:14,719
so they need jerk and say aha. They're may be

969
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,119
more prone to believe that. I think there's some white

970
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:20,920
privilege in play. I think there's some tribalism and othering

971
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,840
in play. I think a lot of people it's funny.

972
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,400
The Trump phenomenon has in some ways been a black

973
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,199
light at the crime scene. It's revealed things about people

974
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,320
that we did not realize were there, and it hurts

975
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,079
the heart. She and I've been like, I don't even

976
00:51:37,079 --> 00:51:39,239
think I can answer the phone with this person, or

977
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,400
I don't want to spend time over the dinner table

978
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:46,000
with this person. I feel like they are maybe we

979
00:51:46,039 --> 00:51:48,039
didn't really know them, or we didn't know them in

980
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:51,400
the way, and I don't know. I wrestle with it too.

981
00:51:51,639 --> 00:51:52,679
Speaker 4: I don't understand it.

982
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 2: And then you're like, well, maybe there's a way to

983
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,559
create the crack that lets in the light. And I

984
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:01,559
go back. I tend to go a little harder. So

985
00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:04,920
she's being really diplomatic, and I will jump in and

986
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,360
post a link to Donald Trump's five hundred dollars tennis

987
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,719
shoes and say, hey, check this out, and then I'll

988
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,360
have something's narky to say. And I've been trying to

989
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,239
work on it, but it's hard. It's hard. It's hard

990
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,159
for people to tell me we need austerity, we must

991
00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:21,760
trim the fat, and then they're like, yay, an eight

992
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,639
hundred dollars Trump inauguration watch, and let's pay one hundred

993
00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:30,159
million for a military parade for the five time draft dodger. Yeah.

994
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,079
I tend to get a little snarky, and then she

995
00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:35,159
has to talk me off. The ledge couple more Darcy

996
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:37,079
calling in at six point nine.

997
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 3: Hi, Hi by Natalie.

998
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 2: Oh shit, I didn't say goodbye to aj Aj. I'm

999
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,039
so sorry. I saw the next call forgive my rudeness.

1000
00:52:48,119 --> 00:52:51,000
I throw myself at your mercy. I will now segue

1001
00:52:51,039 --> 00:52:53,360
to Darcy. Thanks for your patience. You're on with Seth

1002
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,000
and Natalie. What do you want to talk about?

1003
00:52:56,519 --> 00:52:56,679
Speaker 5: Hi?

1004
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:02,039
Speaker 3: Guys, good to see you Natalie for the first time. Hello.

1005
00:53:02,199 --> 00:53:05,480
You're lovely and Seth is very lucky to have you.

1006
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 2: People always look at her. They look at her and

1007
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,119
they look at me, and they look at her and

1008
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:14,840
they look at me, and they're like, Natalie, did you

1009
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,199
lose a bad like? What happened? Did he follow you

1010
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,559
home and you fed him? Did you feel sorry? What happened?

1011
00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 5: So?

1012
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 2: No, I know what I got. I know what I got. Darcy,

1013
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,000
go ahead, what was your question?

1014
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 5: Good for you?

1015
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:28,039
Speaker 1: So?

1016
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 3: I wanted to bring up Fox News I had. I

1017
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:40,639
have an uncle who's Republican Christian and we were never

1018
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:46,159
close until after my mom died. He lives He's East coast,

1019
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:52,320
I'm West coast, but we could reconnected a bit, but

1020
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:58,480
he kept sending me this stuff and I would spend

1021
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,599
we would have mail exchanges. He's hard of hearing, so

1022
00:54:02,639 --> 00:54:04,480
we don't talk much on the phone, but we would

1023
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,679
have these linkedy email exchanges. I would spend hours going

1024
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,559
and searching these claims that he was making in these emails,

1025
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:18,480
so that he was forwarding me clearly from the right

1026
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:23,079
wing news media. And it got to the point where

1027
00:54:23,079 --> 00:54:25,000
I just said, you got to stop sending me this

1028
00:54:25,079 --> 00:54:30,159
stuff because it's garbage. And I don't think I ever

1029
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:35,480
convinced him of anything, but it was exhausting for me

1030
00:54:36,119 --> 00:54:38,280
to try to have to go through this stuff, and

1031
00:54:40,599 --> 00:54:43,639
it was bonkers.

1032
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 4: Fell you.

1033
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,199
Speaker 2: Did you ever have some people send you Did you

1034
00:54:47,199 --> 00:54:49,199
have people sending you Fox News type stuff?

1035
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: Now?

1036
00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:53,639
Speaker 4: I had people sending me TikTok clips, and I'm just.

1037
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:58,159
Speaker 2: Like TikTok clips proving why Trump's awesome and why the

1038
00:54:58,519 --> 00:55:01,480
Libs are all Yeah, And so it wasn't even a

1039
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,920
news source. It was some dude with a cell phone

1040
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:05,840
camera on TikTok.

1041
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, that worked for the administration.

1042
00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:14,079
Speaker 2: Darcy, I cut you off, so you are feeling the frustration.

1043
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:18,039
Did you have anything else? You have a question or

1044
00:55:18,159 --> 00:55:19,599
further comment, take your time.

1045
00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:27,519
Speaker 3: No, just that I read recently that when Rupert Murdoch

1046
00:55:27,639 --> 00:55:36,960
finally dies that his heirs will probably not continue Fox News,

1047
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,039
which hallelujah now.

1048
00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 2: If I may, for those who may not be aware,

1049
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:48,119
especially my international listeners, Rupert Murdoch is the owner of NewsCorp,

1050
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:54,000
which owns Fox News and a bunch of other media outlets. Personally,

1051
00:55:54,039 --> 00:55:56,760
I think Fox News is an oxymoron, and so do

1052
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,360
squillions of other people out there. Essentially right now, Fox

1053
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:07,559
News is dear leader state run television. But Rupert Murdoch

1054
00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:13,599
is like nine thousand years old, and in his offspring

1055
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:19,000
who will inherit NewsCorp. Some have been openly critical and

1056
00:56:19,559 --> 00:56:25,519
about this hyper right, sycophantic, fake news kind of propaganda

1057
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:28,480
network that Fox has become. And so the speculation is

1058
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,599
once the old man kicks off, and there will be

1059
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,440
celebrations by many of us when it happens. What's that

1060
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:37,679
line by Mark Twain? I have never wished a man dead,

1061
00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:42,119
but I have read many obituaries with great satisfaction. This

1062
00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:44,840
is true with Rupert Murdoch and a few others. When

1063
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,400
he goes. Some are saying that the newer, the offspring,

1064
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:54,880
the children and grandchildren whoever inherits NewsCorp will defoxify Fox

1065
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,400
News and it may become something else. Is that what

1066
00:56:58,440 --> 00:56:59,280
you've heard, Darcy?

1067
00:57:01,079 --> 00:57:03,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the fear is that there may be

1068
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,079
something else that comes in.

1069
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 4: To fill that void.

1070
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 5: But boy, if it goes away, I will be happy.

1071
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,119
Speaker 2: Well, we did see any of the times that Fox

1072
00:57:13,159 --> 00:57:17,639
News reported something that was less than you know, adoration

1073
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:23,320
for Tangerine Palpatine that the Fox News audience turned on

1074
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,840
the network and they said, I'm done with you. It's

1075
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:30,000
like when one of the anchors on Fox News validated

1076
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,320
the Biden win back in twenty twenty, and Fox News

1077
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,239
has flipped out and said, screw you, guys, this network

1078
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,840
is not news. And then they spun off into Newsmax

1079
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,199
and OA and who knows what they'll do, but I

1080
00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:45,719
would love to see a management change and maybe a

1081
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,039
direction change. We'll watch and see what happens, Darcy. So

1082
00:57:49,239 --> 00:57:51,639
thanks for colin us today. Much appreciated.

1083
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,159
Speaker 5: All right, guys, all right, you guys be good.

1084
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:54,639
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1085
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,679
Speaker 2: A couple more minutes, real fast. I know NAT's got

1086
00:57:57,679 --> 00:58:00,960
a she's playing tennis twice today. We're going to play together.

1087
00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:08,519
Some married couples cannot play tennis together because you you

1088
00:58:08,639 --> 00:58:12,199
might say things to a life partner on the tennis

1089
00:58:12,199 --> 00:58:14,719
court that you wouldn't say to somebody else. So when

1090
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,760
when I miss a shot, what do you do?

1091
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:20,639
Speaker 4: Nothing, harder, harder?

1092
00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 2: What did you use it?

1093
00:58:23,159 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 4: I think I like, take my rod. I don't realize

1094
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,559
that I'm doing it, but I'm like, and it's.

1095
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 2: Not the first It's like, here we go, but I've

1096
00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:33,840
done the same thing. Robbie, like one thing, step four,

1097
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,079
step into your shop and before you know we're driving

1098
00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:38,320
home and there's black smoke coming out of our We're

1099
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:39,880
going to do really good and then we you know,

1100
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,639
and then we're like, we're not going to play with

1101
00:58:41,679 --> 00:58:45,199
each other anymore. And then the next day somebody's like, hey,

1102
00:58:45,239 --> 00:58:46,599
you guys want to play, and we're like, we'll be

1103
00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:49,719
right there. We just immediately reset. But but we've actually

1104
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,480
worked that out. Lucas asked the question, Natalie, how much

1105
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,719
time do you spend waiting on Seth when a fan

1106
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,559
recognizes him in the real world.

1107
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:03,679
Speaker 4: Not a lot. I mean, they're pretty respectful of the time,

1108
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,280
and it's always good to see people who appreciate the

1109
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,360
hard work that he puts into everything. So I think

1110
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,679
you know, some of Seth's people come from you know,

1111
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,880
families or places where they feel alone and they feel

1112
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,559
judged and they feel ostracized, and they find Seth's website

1113
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:26,039
and then they feel, you know that it's okay, I'm

1114
00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:30,239
not broken, and I think he you know, genuinely gives that.

1115
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,199
You know in his podcast, you guys know it too,

1116
00:59:33,639 --> 00:59:36,559
and so when they see him, you know, they're thankful,

1117
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,480
and it lets Seth know. You know, sometimes he works

1118
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,719
from home, he's not around a lot of people unless

1119
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,079
he's traveling, and just that feedback to know that what

1120
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,880
he's doing in the time and effort that he puts

1121
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,800
into his podcast and his shows, you know, it matters

1122
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,599
to somebody. And so I we're grateful when somebody comes up,

1123
00:59:56,639 --> 00:59:57,159
I think.

1124
00:59:57,079 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 2: And that's you know, she's She's had to sacrifice a

1125
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:05,159
lot of time of my time. You know, when I'm

1126
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,079
one of the worst things is honey, this will just

1127
01:00:08,119 --> 01:00:09,440
take another half.

1128
01:00:09,159 --> 01:00:11,199
Speaker 4: Hour, right football minute.

1129
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 2: It's football minutes, and it just takes longer and longer

1130
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,039
and longer. And you know, she has occasionally been it's

1131
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:19,639
not easy being the partner of an activist. I think

1132
01:00:20,039 --> 01:00:23,199
even this coming weekend, you know, being gone for four

1133
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,440
days and you know, I'm facetiming her as much as

1134
01:00:26,519 --> 01:00:28,320
I can and keeping her in the loop. But it's

1135
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,519
a long time to be apart, and she's she's made

1136
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:34,880
a lot of sacrifices. But she's also my number one cheerleader,

1137
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,519
and she keeps me centered and grounded. You know when

1138
01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:39,760
people send me a message or an email that talk

1139
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,800
about their journey, and it's amazing how heartfelt those emails are.

1140
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,119
I came out of this. My family's rejected me. My

1141
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,800
spouse said they're going to take the kids. I've been

1142
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,480
in tears all night. I don't know what I'm going

1143
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:53,920
to do. I feel lost, or maybe I did feel lost,

1144
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,920
and now I found a community online, whether it's yours

1145
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,679
or another. I know they're sharing a story. So we'll

1146
01:00:59,719 --> 01:01:02,480
be seeing on the bed and I'll pull it up

1147
01:01:02,519 --> 01:01:04,880
on my phone and I'll just read them aloud, and

1148
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:06,920
I'll say, hey, check this out, and I'll read the

1149
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,079
letters to her, and that gives use radio. I don't.

1150
01:01:11,679 --> 01:01:14,320
I don't use my radio voice. It's my real voice,

1151
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,719
but I will give you want to. I want you

1152
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,159
to hear yeah. And then she's good at saying because

1153
01:01:20,199 --> 01:01:24,039
it burnout's a thing for activists and it's also hard.

1154
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:26,880
After sixteen years and seeing the insanity of the world,

1155
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,239
sometimes you've become a little maybe even self pity or whatever.

1156
01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:34,199
You lose perspective and you say, fuck, it doesn't matter.

1157
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:36,960
Is it making a difference? Am I just in an

1158
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,320
echo chamber? Am I just talking to myself? You know,

1159
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,719
of all the thousands of hours, what's really coming? You

1160
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,880
start to really spin into oblivion, especially when you're physically tired.

1161
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,280
And she literally will take me and go literally and say, hey,

1162
01:01:49,679 --> 01:01:49,960
you know.

1163
01:01:50,199 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 4: Time to hit the road, time to go see some people.

1164
01:01:53,239 --> 01:01:55,519
Speaker 2: You need to get out of your office and you

1165
01:01:55,639 --> 01:01:59,400
need to socialize with people, and you need to remember that.

1166
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:03,840
It kind she kind of sets me up. Michael from

1167
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,239
Scotland has sent the super chat. I don't know what

1168
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,760
denomination that is. I don't know how to say seek,

1169
01:02:10,039 --> 01:02:13,280
but one hundred sounds like a lot, and I am.

1170
01:02:13,519 --> 01:02:18,400
I'm so grateful for you. I think we'll probably go

1171
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ahead and call it. Oh, I've got a super chat

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from s caval Chuck, Canada. Two dollars. We're going to

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ban in Canada in a few days. We get to

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travel together, which is rare. So I'm speaking at the

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weekend Reason event in Calgary, Alberta, and I was told

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that there was a lovely national park, a mountainous range, rivers, trees, wildlife,

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and so I googled it. Holy Nikes, it's gorgeous. So

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I go downstairs and I'm like, honey, look at this,

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Look at where I'm going. Maybe we can tack on

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a few days together. And so I got his tickets

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and we're going to go and we're gonna I don't know,

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frolic with the creatures and I'm guessing the water's too

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cold to kayak or canoe or I don't know. We're

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going to go be together and enjoy some Canada, and

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I think we shouldn't have too much trouble getting back

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over the border. I was talking to Bob Barnes at

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the Baja Con event and he said that there are

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a lot of Canadians who were showing solidarity with Americans.

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They understand that many of us are trapped on here

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at their southern border on the other side, and we're

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just as traumatized or more than anybody, and they stand

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with us. And we look at Canadians and say, you

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know what if you pull our ship from your shelves

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and you want nothing to do with America's business partners Partners,

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we kind of understand, like we can't blame you, but

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we do know that we have friends and family up north,

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and so we're going to come up north and spend

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a few days up in It is pronounced bamf right

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b a nff bam fans.

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Speaker 4: Sounds good to me.

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Speaker 2: I just like saying. So we'll be out there in

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just a few Thank you so much to my lovely

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bride for a spending show number eight hundred.

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Speaker 4: Hey, congratulations you. That's a lot of a lot of

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hot air coming out of you.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot of hot air coming out of me.

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And we'll continue maybe head to ward nine hundred. Thanks

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again for being part of this community in this show.

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I'll see you next time.

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Speaker 4: Heybye.

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