Speaker 1: Okay, we are live. How this is William Ramsey. Welcome
Speaker 1: to William Ramsey Investigates on Today Show. I have a
Speaker 1: very special guest, a recommended guest. Somebody's recommended to me
Speaker 1: and it was a very good recommendation. Her name is
Speaker 1: Colonel ro Sanne Towner Watkins. Her last name is spelled
Speaker 1: t own E R dash w A t ki n S.
Speaker 1: And I was kind of following up on this. I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people in kind of the research
Speaker 1: community talks about Gladio, but she was recommended to me
Speaker 1: as kind of a global Gladio. So I spent today
Speaker 1: kind of researching and I listened to a really great
Speaker 1: presentation by Matthew Eric. He's been on my show and
Speaker 1: I think it was either the Canadian Patriot or Rising
Speaker 1: Tide Foundation, and she did. She was the featured guest
Speaker 1: and the title was Gladio and JFK. But it covered
Speaker 1: a lot of territory things I didn't know some of
Speaker 1: the stuff I did, and I heard the Knights of
Speaker 1: Malta mentioned that was interesting. I've done like ten shows
Speaker 1: and very detailed four hundred slide presentation on Knights of
Speaker 1: Malta even up to today, because current Pope met with
Speaker 1: the head of the Knight of Malta, who was actually Canadian,
Speaker 1: believe or not. He's the first non I think European
Speaker 1: as the head of the Knights of Malta, a thousand
Speaker 1: millennia old organization with a lot of kind of these
Speaker 1: characters who are involved in Gladio were also involved in that,
Speaker 1: and she talked about today in the discussion I heard
Speaker 1: with her a Matt that a lot of them became
Speaker 1: knights either were knighted who weren't usually let into the
Speaker 1: Knights of Malta. It's very used to be a very
Speaker 1: kind of aristocratic, aristocratic kind of thing, like you've seen
Speaker 1: the Queen of Elizabeth have a picture for her with
Speaker 1: the Maltese cross, very distinctive cross. But there's like a
Speaker 1: lot of things coming on, Like some of these other
Speaker 1: researchers that I have said, this strategy of tension is
Speaker 1: still kind of maybe being implemented in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: So what the knowledge of what gladio is. Gladio for
Speaker 1: people who don't know, is the old Roman sword. Believe
Speaker 1: it or not. The Romans didn't have these huge, massive swords.
Speaker 1: They had kind of a medium sized sword. It was
Speaker 1: called a gladio and it was very effective for close combat.
Speaker 1: It kind of was an element of their imperial fights.
Speaker 1: But that's just a little bit of background. So I'm
Speaker 1: delighted to have her. So again, it's Colonel Towner Watkins.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm glad to be here. Thanks for the inviting.
Speaker 1: Cool awesome. I like the fact that you're such a
Speaker 1: passionate researcher. I was looking through all the other kind
Speaker 1: of things that you had done. I was looking at
Speaker 1: your YouTube channel and all this stuff, like you've done
Speaker 1: a lot of research. Maybe you can talk about your background,
Speaker 1: your research, and kind of what led up to your
Speaker 1: interest in this particular topic.
Speaker 2: Well that's a very interesting story. So for those of
Speaker 2: you who don't know me, I spent thirty years in
Speaker 2: the Air Force, and I was not an intel officer,
Speaker 2: I was not a pilot. I was a support officer.
Speaker 2: I started off in aircraft maintenance when I enlisted in
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy nine. I spent eight years doing that, turning wrenches,
Speaker 2: working on the flight line. But I have always been
Speaker 2: a very avid reader, and I only really ever read nonfiction,
Speaker 2: and so I had an entire library of biographies of
Speaker 2: you know, leaders, depart sect, secretary of States and that
Speaker 2: type of thing. And so about three years ago now,
Speaker 2: I was reading Anthony Sutton's trilogy about the funding of
Speaker 2: the Bolshevik Revolution, World War Two, Hitler and FDR, and
Speaker 2: it was information that I had never seen before. And
Speaker 2: so if you compile all of what I did know,
Speaker 2: I started kind of in my head filling in holes.
Speaker 2: And that led me to doing a little bit more
Speaker 2: research in non approved books about World War Two and
Speaker 2: what I found out in reading books like Fascist International
Speaker 2: or Nazi International and some of the other books Joseph
Speaker 2: Ferrell's book about the Third Way, I realized that there
Speaker 2: has been a kind of what I referred to as
Speaker 2: a fake left and a fake right in order to
Speaker 2: create these polar opposites. You don't want to go too
Speaker 2: far this way, and you don't want to go too
Speaker 2: far this way, and it was used kind of just
Speaker 2: to heard the mass of people around the globe into
Speaker 2: a controlled setting. And psychological operations, obviously is something in
Speaker 2: the military that we learn a lot about. So I
Speaker 2: started kind of putting all of this together, and in
Speaker 2: one of those books it mentioned this thing called stay
Speaker 2: behind units. Now I have six different degrees, and they're
Speaker 2: very diverse. But I spent a year at Air War College,
Speaker 2: and for someone like me and my background, with the
Speaker 2: extensive reading that I have done, to come across what
Speaker 2: was obviously a military operation that I've never heard of,
Speaker 2: was quite interesting. So of course I start doing just
Speaker 2: some surface level research on this idea of stay behind units,
Speaker 2: and I find out the history goes back to the
Speaker 2: Boer Wars and Winston Churchill when he was a journalist,
Speaker 2: and the creation of the Jedbirds, which of course I
Speaker 2: had heard of, and the fact that Hitler and his
Speaker 2: intelligence operation ran by General Wolfe and General Reinhard Galen
Speaker 2: set up stay behind units extensively throughout German occupied territory.
Speaker 2: They were called werewolf units. And again, up until three
Speaker 2: years ago, I didn't know any of this. This is
Speaker 2: not taught in any professional military education. Obviously, it's not
Speaker 2: a well known fact in the United States at all.
Speaker 2: So I started doing a little bit more digging, and
Speaker 2: you find out that there was this secret meeting in
Speaker 2: northern Italy between General wolf Alan Dulles and a major
Speaker 2: general at the time by the name of Lyman Limisker,
Speaker 2: and he was Eisenhower's chief of logistics. Now, for those
Speaker 2: of us in the military, we know their critical a
Speaker 2: critical element of implementing any plan that you have. At
Speaker 2: this meeting there was discussion about turning over the plans
Speaker 2: and the layout of this extensive stay behind network that
Speaker 2: was laid in Romania and Hungary and Ukraine and all
Speaker 2: of these German occupied territories at least at one point
Speaker 2: they were German occupied territories, but it was in France,
Speaker 2: it was in the Netherlands. And I started again just
Speaker 2: kind of digging into it, and I come across Paul
Speaker 2: Williams's book called Operation Gladio, and Danielle Ganser, who he
Speaker 2: talked about before the show. His book is called NATO
Speaker 2: Secret Army. So those were the two first books that
Speaker 2: I highly recommend if you're interested in the topic to read.
Speaker 2: And it makes clear that this critical meeting with Alan
Speaker 2: Dallas is pivotal to the transferring of this stay behind network.
Speaker 2: And let me just explain what that is real quick.
Speaker 2: They created these small units of anywhere from fifteen to
Speaker 2: twenty men that they consolidated cachets of weapons, explosives, common equipment,
Speaker 2: and money and at the beck and call of the
Speaker 2: senior leadership of the Nazi regime, they would activate these
Speaker 2: stay behind units to fall in on these weapon cachets
Speaker 2: and attack whoever the target was. And if you could
Speaker 2: imagine in Ukraine with the Bandera network and Stetsco and
Speaker 2: all of the people that Hitler and Otto Skorzini, who
Speaker 2: was the trainer for these stay behind units, they arranged
Speaker 2: for all of these weapons. So there's an entire network
Speaker 2: across Europe of these things. And this meeting was basically
Speaker 2: arranging the transfer of control of this network over to
Speaker 2: the US, and there was not any There were a
Speaker 2: couple of other people at the meeting, but primarily they
Speaker 2: left the Soviet Union, who at the time was our
Speaker 2: ally out of this planning meeting. So if you fast
Speaker 2: forward a little bit, you find out that also at
Speaker 2: that meeting they were deciding who was going to go
Speaker 2: to Nuremberg and who wasn't, and there was going to
Speaker 2: be a concerted effort to say several like a lot
Speaker 2: of the Nazi upper echelon, and that was then going
Speaker 2: to be what we now commonly referred to as the
Speaker 2: ratlines into Spain, which at the time was under the
Speaker 2: fascist dictator Franco and then on into South America. Well
Speaker 2: in the story later on under Operation Condor, because you
Speaker 2: will find out that Operation Gladio, while specifically with it,
Speaker 2: is kind of a generic term. Every country had their
Speaker 2: own name, like in Turkey was called the Gray Wolfs
Speaker 2: in Portugal it was called a Ginger Press. But generically
Speaker 2: now everybody just refers to it as Gladio. And so
Speaker 2: this this network gets turned over to the US. They
Speaker 2: fly Reinhard Galen dressed up as a US general into Washington,
Speaker 2: d C. To go to the USS headquarters and debrief him,
Speaker 2: and basically they then assume control of this network and
Speaker 2: continue to further it. Now it's originally done under the
Speaker 2: guise of fighting communism. And when I interviewed Paul Williams,
Speaker 2: who wrote the book Operation Gladio, my specific question was
Speaker 2: to him was do you believe that there was or
Speaker 2: a communist threat? And basically my kind of takeaway is
Speaker 2: if you look at the state that we left the
Speaker 2: Soviet Union in after World War Two, where depending on
Speaker 2: who you read, the estimates is anywhere from twenty five
Speaker 2: million to fifty million people had been killed, a lot
Speaker 2: of their manufacturing had been gutted by the Nazis. They
Speaker 2: they're not a threat. They're not a threat to Europe,
Speaker 2: They're not a threat to anyone. So the fact that
Speaker 2: there's this extensive network under the guise of fighting communism
Speaker 2: in the immediate aftermath of the war is a little
Speaker 2: odd because there was no threat. And what you find
Speaker 2: out if you span out to the thirty thousand footlook,
Speaker 2: every single one of these Gladio programs throughout Europe in
Speaker 2: the aftermath of World War two were used to create
Speaker 2: domestic terrorism against the people in Europe. And of course
Speaker 2: the most well known, well documented example of that is
Speaker 2: in Italy, because, as you mentioned earlier in nineteen ninety,
Speaker 2: on August second, the Prime Minister of Italy, after a
Speaker 2: lot of exposure and research had went on, and the
Speaker 2: murder of journalist, judges that tried to do investigations, prosecutors
Speaker 2: that had done investigations in the late seventies and all
Speaker 2: of eighties, finally a roster of all of the people
Speaker 2: that had been involved in it was discovered in a
Speaker 2: secret compartment of lucio'gellis, who was the grand Mason of
Speaker 2: the P two Masonic Lodge, and it had like eight
Speaker 2: hundred names on it. So now the cat's out of
Speaker 2: the bag and the there's lots of so Andreotti, the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister, he gets up in front of the Senate
Speaker 2: in Italy and basically discloses the fact that Operation Gladio
Speaker 2: was real and it was used extensively for domestic terrorism
Speaker 2: throughout Italy. There's a lot of people eventually sent to
Speaker 2: jail as a result of that, and it implicated the
Speaker 2: Vatican because what you find out in the aftermath of
Speaker 2: World War two, in order to fund this extensive covert
Speaker 2: operation that couldn't necessarily be funded with money that was
Speaker 2: appropriated because it's secret, they had set up the most
Speaker 2: extensive drug trafficking network in the world out of Southeast Asia.
Speaker 2: And that's where people like Shang Kaishek, who was in
Speaker 2: a civil war with Mao in China, and the OSS
Speaker 2: mainly people like Paul helling Well, some of those names
Speaker 2: that are associated with the CIA in the aftermath. He
Speaker 2: was a military attasha because he was a colonel to
Speaker 2: Shane Kai Shek, and what they observed in the Asian
Speaker 2: theater during World War two is Shane Kai Shek was
Speaker 2: funding the war, not just against Japan, but against mal
Speaker 2: by selling opium. And so Paul Halliwell picks up the
Speaker 2: phone to Alan Dallas and he goes, hey, I think
Speaker 2: I got our funding thing resolved. All we have to
Speaker 2: do is take care of Shang Kai Shek and find
Speaker 2: a place for him to hang out, and we can
Speaker 2: sell opium that's grown over here in Asia, ship it
Speaker 2: and we'll just take money off the top because it's
Speaker 2: illicit drugs and it's you know, covert funding. So let's
Speaker 2: just marry these two covert programs and we've got a
Speaker 2: funding source, and then we can equip all of these
Speaker 2: covert gladio op os with that money. And so initially
Speaker 2: they decide to set up because they've not given up
Speaker 2: on China. They want China. So they set shang Kaishak
Speaker 2: up in Burma along the Chinese border, and they're running
Speaker 2: missions into China. This is after World War two, so
Speaker 2: they're running missions into China attacking Mao, and so Mao
Speaker 2: has decreed that there's no opium. It's all gone. There's
Speaker 2: not going to be any drugs in China. So he's
Speaker 2: basically eliminating a major source. So they start growing the
Speaker 2: poppy in Burma, which is where they set Shang Kai
Speaker 2: Shehak up initially while a Burmese government gets tired of
Speaker 2: all of the weapons and the murders and everything else.
Speaker 2: And so the CIA now decides they're going to move
Speaker 2: Shang Kai Shehek to this little island off the coast
Speaker 2: of kind of called Formosa, and we're going to change
Speaker 2: the name of it, and we're going to call it Taiwan.
Speaker 2: And so as soon as Shane Kaishek gets there, the
Speaker 2: formotions are like, we don't want that guy here. He's
Speaker 2: a drug dealer. And at the time, depending on who
Speaker 2: you read, between eighty and ninety percent of the opium
Speaker 2: supply and the world was being generated by Shang Kai Shek,
Speaker 2: and so you yeah, so you have this, you have
Speaker 2: this entire network of US, the ambassadors, the CIA station chief, everybody.
Speaker 2: They fall in on Formosa, they prop up Shang Kai Shek.
Speaker 2: He immediately declares martial law because the promotion, the formotions
Speaker 2: are rebelling. They're like, we don't want you here. And
Speaker 2: so if you said anything out loud about Shane Kayshek
Speaker 2: that was negative, you would get murdered. And there are
Speaker 2: declassified CE Department k from the ambassador that depict him
Speaker 2: looking out his window and watching these new quote unquote
Speaker 2: Taiwanese Shang Kai shek kmt military people bayonetting people in
Speaker 2: the streets in front of the US embassy. So it's
Speaker 2: terror unleashed on the island of Formosa to subdue the rebellion.
Speaker 2: And there's people like William Polly. I'd never heard of
Speaker 2: this guy, and if you look up William Polly, it's
Speaker 2: one of the most interesting stories. He is instrumental. He
Speaker 2: has given the Curtis Aircraft franchise in Southeast Asia, so
Speaker 2: he starts manufacturing all kinds of military aircraft to supply
Speaker 2: Shang Kai shek with aircraft. You have the creation of
Speaker 2: the China Lobby. You have Claire Chenault, a major general
Speaker 2: who who is instrumental in creating what eventually becomes Air America,
Speaker 2: the civil error transport company that flew a lot of
Speaker 2: the drugs around. It's just like this entire industry pops
Speaker 2: up in Southeast Asia and so and the people that
Speaker 2: are involved in it is just you can do a
Speaker 2: whole show just on that part of it.
Speaker 1: It's a huge operation, right it is.
Speaker 2: So now we need a bank to launder the money through. Well,
Speaker 2: they picked the Vatican because the Vatican is a sovereign
Speaker 2: The bank is a sovereign within a sovereign So you
Speaker 2: have a sovereign bank within a sovereign territory and it
Speaker 2: just is conveniently located in Italy. When they decide that
Speaker 2: the US portion of this opium operation is, they want
Speaker 2: to use Sicily because we basically controlled them mafia through
Speaker 2: Lucky Luciano and all of those people with their Sicilian
Speaker 2: mafia ties, and so it's just very convenient. However, at
Speaker 2: the time, we were competing with the French, and because
Speaker 2: we decided that after World War Two we were going
Speaker 2: to give the French back Vietnam instead of allowing them
Speaker 2: to be free, and so they're doing opium out of
Speaker 2: Laos and it's going to the Corsican mafia in France.
Speaker 2: And so we found a guy, his last name is Konig,
Speaker 2: and he's actually a CIA agent, but he is working
Speaker 2: kind of undercover with the Corsican mafia, and so he's
Speaker 2: mapping out the whole Corsican mafia. And if you fast
Speaker 2: forward a few decades, we declare a war on drug
Speaker 2: under the Nixon administration, and basically what that did was
Speaker 2: to take out the entire Corsican mafia. And so basically
Speaker 2: it was a war on competition, not an actual war
Speaker 2: on drugs. And so now we've got it all consolidated.
Speaker 2: We've got control over the source, we've got control over
Speaker 2: the transformation of it into actual heroin, and then we
Speaker 2: have the supply network of the mafia connections that was
Speaker 2: all set up at several meetings in Cuba, because Cuba
Speaker 2: was going to be a hub. And Paul Williams mentions
Speaker 2: the fact that out of Sicily they were after they
Speaker 2: would refine it, they would hide it in plastic oranges,
Speaker 2: in crates of oranges going into Cuba, and I had
Speaker 2: one of my listeners go, oh, well, that explains all
Speaker 2: the oranges in the Godfather series and what they said,
Speaker 2: And it is true because I went back and watched it.
Speaker 2: All of the murder scenes in The Godfather where they
Speaker 2: were talking about taking someone out, there's either oranges on
Speaker 2: the table, or the guy that gets shot falls back
Speaker 2: into a bunch of oranges, and I.
Speaker 1: Had unsucking on an orange, or when Godfather gets shot
Speaker 1: in the first one, he falls into an orange crate
Speaker 1: if you remember.
Speaker 2: That yet, And so I had when we were first
Speaker 2: going through Paul Williams's book on my Rumble channel, I
Speaker 2: had somebody go, hey, did you ever figure out what
Speaker 2: the orange thing was? And I'm like, I don't even
Speaker 2: know what you're talking about. And they're like, well, it's
Speaker 2: in all the death scenes. And so then you know,
Speaker 2: I went back and I reread Paul Wae's book and
Speaker 2: he actually even talks about it, and I'm like, holy crap,
Speaker 2: I missed that part. So lots of very interesting connections.
Speaker 2: And so now we've got the funding source, we've got
Speaker 2: the money launder, and we've got this entire network being
Speaker 2: built out. And as I mentioned the I thought originally
Speaker 2: in when I was first doing this research that they
Speaker 2: created these networks that OTD exclusively within these countries like
Speaker 2: Gladio inside of Italy, a Ginger Press inside of Portugal.
Speaker 2: But what you find out is people like Otto Skorzeni,
Speaker 2: who did go to Nuremberg, but he was found quote
Speaker 2: unquote innocent. Right now, he's one of.
Speaker 1: The miracle guys who got away with it. He was
Speaker 1: involved in so much underhanded stuff. I had a guest
Speaker 1: on who wrote a book about him called the Devil's Disciple,
Speaker 1: because he was in he rescued for people who don't
Speaker 1: know he rescued Mussolini. He was involved in Battle of
Speaker 1: the Bulge of like fake stuff and just all kinds
Speaker 1: of subjects on the Eastern Front, possibly involved in like
Speaker 1: burning down synagogues. Like wow, he's.
Speaker 2: Something else, Yes, he is something else. So this network
Speaker 2: set him up. Originally he went to Paris because that's
Speaker 2: where they're going to set up NATO, and he was
Speaker 2: going to be because eventually NATO takes over the When
Speaker 2: NATO stands up NATO in charge of the Gladio program.
Speaker 2: There were two organizations inside of NATO. One was called
Speaker 2: the ally Clandestine acc Committee and then the CPC the
Speaker 2: Clandestine Planning Committee, And these two entities, which are covered
Speaker 2: in Danielle Ganser's book, were the kind of coordination body
Speaker 2: for Operation Gladio. So they're going to have Auto Skorzeni
Speaker 2: be their trainer because he trained all of the Hitler
Speaker 2: Gladio people. That's what he did working for Reinhard Galen
Speaker 2: and so they're going to put him in Paris. So
Speaker 2: he's closed, but he has this huge scar on his
Speaker 2: base and he's immediately recognized. So they're like, Okay, that's
Speaker 2: not going to work. We're going to put him in
Speaker 2: Spain because Franco will protect him. And he did, and
Speaker 2: so he gets a partner and he sets up a
Speaker 2: construction company. But we've got to figure out a way
Speaker 2: to pay him, and we really don't want to use
Speaker 2: all these covert funds because this is going to be
Speaker 2: an ongoing thing, so let's figure out how we're going
Speaker 2: to pay him. Well, it just so happens that he
Speaker 2: is paid out of the Department of Defense construction business
Speaker 2: called Logistics Hello Line and Lemonsker to build bases in Spain. Now,
Speaker 2: first of all, being a military officer, my first question
Speaker 2: was why are we building bases in Spain when it's
Speaker 2: a fascist dictator. I thought we didn't like those people.
Speaker 2: Didn't we just bite a war to get rid of one. Yes,
Speaker 2: we did, but we don't care because we're looking for
Speaker 2: an illicit way to channel money to Auto SCORSNY. And so,
Speaker 2: weirdly enough, Auto SPORTSNY gets the contract to build all
Speaker 2: of the US military bases in Spain, and it's grossly overpriced.
Speaker 2: So that was the way we ended up paying Auto
Speaker 2: Sportsny to be the trainer for NATO. So he sets
Speaker 2: up all over the border near France, these terrorist training camps,
Speaker 2: because that's what they are. They're terrorists, and so they're
Speaker 2: producing and there are several of them. The school that
Speaker 2: specialized in kidnapping was on Sardinia, the island off the
Speaker 2: coast of Italy, which just so happens to be around
Speaker 2: the coast from France. They use the Canary Islands to
Speaker 2: do the water how you can you know, be like
Speaker 2: a scuba diver and come up on a boat and
Speaker 2: kill people. Weirdly enough, Maxwell, Robert Maxwell, gets murdered off
Speaker 2: the coast of the Canary Islands on his boat. I
Speaker 2: don't know that there's a connection, but they don't find
Speaker 2: that really weird. So all of the operations are being
Speaker 2: set up and the people are going through the training.
Speaker 2: But then what I noticed is Autoskorzeni is involved in
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of operations that's nowhere near Europe. He's
Speaker 2: in Algeria. He ends up in the Congo. When we
Speaker 2: killed Patrice lu Mamba, he was in charge of that
Speaker 2: operation and I was.
Speaker 1: In the sixties was it sixty one?
Speaker 2: Three days before JFK took office, Eisenhower signed the Fonts,
Speaker 2: signed the finding that authorized the execution of Patrice Lumamba.
Speaker 2: And so now I'm getting a different sense of operation
Speaker 2: Gladio totally because it wasn't just confined to Europe. And
Speaker 2: you find two of the gray Wolves out of Turkey
Speaker 2: are the two guys that eventually were convicted of shooting
Speaker 2: the pope in Italy. And so now we've got an
Speaker 2: international rorist organization. And so again I just continue kind
Speaker 2: of looking this, and then I find out how's for
Speaker 2: as any travels to Latin America all the time? Well,
Speaker 2: in that way we rautlined all of his buddies. Yes
Speaker 2: it is. And then what you find out is that
Speaker 2: a lot of the beginnings of the CIA coups all
Speaker 2: over South America begin happening. And so you look at Brazil,
Speaker 2: you look at Guatemala. So Guatemala happens the year after
Speaker 2: we coued Iran in nineteen fifty three. So it happens
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty four. Then in nineteen sixty three we
Speaker 2: overthrow Brazil, we overthrow ten years later Chile. We're instrumental
Speaker 2: in the coup, and Paraguay and Eruguay and it just
Speaker 2: goes on and on and on, and that part portion
Speaker 2: of it was labeled Operation Condor. And when you start
Speaker 2: looking into all of those operations, you find out that
Speaker 2: there's a company by the name of crypto AG. I
Speaker 2: stumbled across that looking into Operation Gladio, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: what the hell is that? So cryptoag was a program
Speaker 2: that was developed by a Swedish guy for the Allied
Speaker 2: Forces in World War Two. It was used as an
Speaker 2: encryptied device to communicate. They after World War Two, they
Speaker 2: set him up in business. They being the intelligence agency,
Speaker 2: set him up in business in Switzerland. Now all of
Speaker 2: his is like.
Speaker 1: A start interrupt But was it like a typewriter, kind
Speaker 1: of like Enigma or something like that.
Speaker 2: Not really, It's more like a capability and it was
Speaker 2: housed in all So let me I'll explain what they
Speaker 2: used it for. But they set him up in business
Speaker 2: in Switzerland and they because it's quote unquote neutral, and
Speaker 2: he begans selling this capability to eventually over one hundred
Speaker 2: countries around the world. And what it did was when
Speaker 2: a country bought it, they put it in their version
Speaker 2: of the State Department and then they put another terminal
Speaker 2: that connected to that terminal in all of their embassies
Speaker 2: around the world. What none of the countries that had
Speaker 2: this capability new is there was a back door to it,
Speaker 2: and the CIA was able to listen to every encrypted
Speaker 2: cable from the country of origin to their embassy and back.
Speaker 2: So from the end of World War Two until it
Speaker 2: was finally gotten rid of in twenty twenty, every single
Speaker 2: country that bought this system was monitored by the CIA. Now,
Speaker 2: this guy gets old and he has a son that's
Speaker 2: helping him run his country or company. But the CIA
Speaker 2: doesn't trust his son with the knowledge because the son
Speaker 2: doesn't know about the back door, and so they decide
Speaker 2: they're going to buy the company from the old man,
Speaker 2: and they went in a partnership with the German B
Speaker 2: and D. Now why is that important Because the German
Speaker 2: B and D was ran by Ryan hard Galen, Auto
Speaker 2: Skorzeni's old boss. Right, So now you have the Nazis
Speaker 2: in yin Hard Galen supposedly in denazified West Germany and
Speaker 2: the CIA in bed with each other. He's dropping on
Speaker 2: all of the communications. Now, what that requires you to
Speaker 2: do is go back and look at what countries have
Speaker 2: it and what were we told about all of these countries.
Speaker 2: And I'll give you an example. So Iran bought it,
Speaker 2: so we knew everything that was going on in Iran
Speaker 2: that they communicated with any of their ambassadors around the world.
Speaker 2: Egypt bought it. So if you go up to nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty seven, where supposedly the Six Day War with Israel,
Speaker 2: everybody sold at the time the idea that Egypt was
Speaker 2: about to attack Israel, and they just preemptively attacked them. Well,
Speaker 2: they knew, damn goodnwell, Egypt wasn't going to attack Israel
Speaker 2: because they knew that Egypt had already deployed in seventy
Speaker 2: five thousand of their army down to Yemen because the
Speaker 2: British had got into a fight with them down there
Speaker 2: with the yem and East. And so if you go
Speaker 2: back and you start re looking at history, and you
Speaker 2: know what countries had this equipment, all of the false
Speaker 2: pretenses of you know, whether it's the Korean War, the
Speaker 2: Vietnam War, or whatever, we were spying on all of them.
Speaker 2: We knew everything. So they've crafted this version of history
Speaker 2: that defies logic once you understand the underpinnings of this,
Speaker 2: and so the use of cryptoag in Latin America was
Speaker 2: throughout all of Latin America. All of Latin America basically
Speaker 2: had bought this equipment, and so all of the overthrows
Speaker 2: of the governments, and we were sold the coup in Guatemala,
Speaker 2: the coup in Brazil, the coup in Chile, the coup
Speaker 2: in Iraguay. I could go down the whole list. We
Speaker 2: were told that the reason the CIA behind the scenes
Speaker 2: supported the overthrow of those governments is because they were
Speaker 2: communists leaning or communist sympathizers. They knew damn good and
Speaker 2: well there was no communication going on between the Soviet
Speaker 2: Union and any of these countries from the top presidential
Speaker 2: level because they had access to every single cable transmitted.
Speaker 2: So yeah, So literally, when you get done with the
Speaker 2: investigation in the Operation Gladio, you realize the entire history
Speaker 2: that we've been told and sold is a lie. All
Speaker 2: of it's a lie, right, and so I have to
Speaker 2: cover this one aspect of it. So at some point,
Speaker 2: about a year and a half into this, I've had
Speaker 2: two questions. Danielle Ganser says, there was a secret agreement
Speaker 2: of all NATO countries that you had to have a
Speaker 2: Gladio network. So question number one was, where's ours? We're
Speaker 2: a member of NATO, where's.
Speaker 1: Ours caps civilian air patrol or I don't know, something
Speaker 1: like that. I've heard that people have said civilian air
Speaker 1: patrol was it was set up by a couple of generals,
Speaker 1: that it was something like a Gladiol But I don't know.
Speaker 2: Do you know, Well, I'm going to make an argument
Speaker 2: of what I believe it was. Also who's doing this?
Speaker 2: Who benefits from all of this? Who benefits from the
Speaker 2: instability around the world of overthrowing governments. Well, the best
Speaker 2: example of looking into who benefits is the Congo assassination
Speaker 2: of Lumumba and chile assassination of Salvadora Linde and seventy one.
Speaker 1: Sorry to interrupt, but that was the original nine to
Speaker 1: eleven was the overthrow of the Chilean government.
Speaker 2: So I think it was in seventy three. Okay, sorry,
Speaker 2: I think he got elected around seventy one, but you can.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So in Chile, there is actual documents now that proves
Speaker 2: US corporations involvement with the CIA, because what Salvador Linde
Speaker 2: wanted to do is he supported legitimate unions because one
Speaker 2: of their their biggest export at the time was copper,
Speaker 2: and the US had a concession under Freeport Mining to
Speaker 2: that copper mind.
Speaker 1: I think it was the biggest copper mine in the world.
Speaker 1: They it was nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 2: So they had a big beef with Salvador Linde because
Speaker 2: they didn't want to pay minimum wages. They did not
Speaker 2: want to have unions organizing against them for better working conditions,
Speaker 2: because they didn't give a crap if the people died
Speaker 2: in the copper minds, and they were dying all the time. Also,
Speaker 2: a US corporation, it T owned the entire telecommunication and
Speaker 2: telecraft capability in Chile, and PepsiCo had a lock on
Speaker 2: all of their soda beverages. So PepsiCo it T and
Speaker 2: Freeport goes to Nixon and says we want him gone,
Speaker 2: and he was assassinated. So now when I get to
Speaker 2: in an in depth research into Chile, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: hold up, let me go back to all of these
Speaker 2: other ones that I've done, like the Congo with Lumumba.
Speaker 2: What resources did they have? They had the number one
Speaker 2: uranium mind in the entire world. Now they had been
Speaker 2: a former Belgian colony, and the Belgium Mining Company had
Speaker 2: the concession in Katanga, which was the area where all
Speaker 2: of the minerals, most of the minerals in the Congo
Speaker 2: was and Belgium had signed a contract with us that
Speaker 2: they get one hundred percent of the uranium out of
Speaker 2: the Congo. So Lumamba flies to Washington, d c. And
Speaker 2: after he becomes prime minister, and he says, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm fine with that, I'll give you one hundred percent
Speaker 2: of the uranium, but I don't want to be paying
Speaker 2: what the Congo should be getting in the concession to Belgium.
Speaker 2: I want to cut Belgium out of it because we're
Speaker 2: not a Belgium colony anymore. They have no rights to
Speaker 2: our minerals. Not only would Eisenhower not meet with him,
Speaker 2: vice President Nixon at the time would not meet with him.
Speaker 2: And he does finally get a meeting with the Secretary
Speaker 2: of State, and he's a prime minister of a foreign country, the.
Speaker 1: Country with massive resources.
Speaker 2: Massive Yes, the Secretary of State tells him to pound sand.
Speaker 2: We're not interested, We're not cutting Belgium out. So Patrice
Speaker 2: Lumumba goes home and he says, okay, I'm kicking Belgium
Speaker 2: out of the country. Belgium at the time was still
Speaker 2: one their military And Belgium comes back and says, no,
Speaker 2: our officers are not leaving. If you want to fill
Speaker 2: the ranks of the enlisted with Conglinese, that's fine, but
Speaker 2: our Belgium officers aren't leaving. And Patrisa Lumumba says, I'll
Speaker 2: I'll check you on that one. You're all leaving. And
Speaker 2: what they did with Otto Skorzini is they send him
Speaker 2: to Katanga. They set up one of the at that
Speaker 2: time one of the largest NATO installations in Katanga, and
Speaker 2: they pay the president, which at the time was kind
Speaker 2: of like a figurehead of the Congo and the guy
Speaker 2: in Katanga that was basically like functioning as the governor
Speaker 2: of that area to create a civil war and it's
Speaker 2: actually NATO fighting in Katanga against the Conglinese. And immediately
Speaker 2: the guy that's there stooge there, he declares Katanga a
Speaker 2: separate country, plants a flag, says we're a separate country.
Speaker 2: Immediately all of NATO and the US recognize Katanga as
Speaker 2: a separate country, and so they basically then plot the
Speaker 2: kidnapping of Blumamba, they kill him. He's driven around in
Speaker 2: the trunk of a CIA car for two weeks. They
Speaker 2: they bury him, and then they decide, well, we can't
Speaker 2: bury him because if anybody finds him, they'll martyr him
Speaker 2: and it's just going to be more chaos. So how
Speaker 2: about if we unbury him and we dissolved his body
Speaker 2: and acid, so no one's going to find him. And
Speaker 2: that's what they did. And we didn't know most of
Speaker 2: that until a few years ago when the Belgium. One
Speaker 2: of the Belgium enlisted people that was on that operation.
Speaker 2: He had kept one of Lumamba's gold teeth, wow, and
Speaker 2: he returned it to the family.
Speaker 1: That's dark. Yeah, they put him in a fifty gallon drum,
Speaker 1: almost like a mob hit or something like super Dark.
Speaker 2: So this is basically this worldwide terror network at operation
Speaker 2: in operation funded out of NATO and all of these
Speaker 2: intelligence agencies with illicit drug and so then you start going, well,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, is everything that we've done in the
Speaker 2: military about drugs because you look at Vietnam and then
Speaker 2: you look at Afghanistan. Ie, after we get into Afghanistan,
Speaker 2: the opium production goes off. The roof and Afghanistan two
Speaker 2: is in the immediate aftermath of nine to eleven. And
Speaker 2: you go back and you look, and I did the
Speaker 2: chart the UN shows after the Taliban, after Afghanistan one
Speaker 2: is over, which was one hundred percent CIA, you have
Speaker 2: the production of opium go to almost zero in Afghanistan.
Speaker 2: The Taliban outlaws it. So in the year two thousand,
Speaker 2: the lowest amount of opium production in Afghanistan occurs. And
Speaker 2: what happens the next year nine to eleven? What happens
Speaker 2: then we go back into Afghanistan and what happens to
Speaker 2: the opium production is off the chart? It goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: it it, It goes higher than it had ever been
Speaker 2: prior to nine to eleven. So now I'm going, what
Speaker 2: the hell? And then you look at Latin America. What
Speaker 2: happened when we went and destabilized all of those countries?
Speaker 2: Oh well, and I just found out they actually had
Speaker 2: a name called the Crystal Triangle. So you have the
Speaker 2: cocaine right, yeah, yeah, So now it's literally like do.
Speaker 1: You know that You probably know this, but maybe the
Speaker 1: listeners don't. Pablo Escobar literally I think he was was
Speaker 1: called Klaus Barbie was enlisted, but it was another paper
Speaker 1: clip Nazi who was in Ecuador or something like that
Speaker 1: or Peru. I forgot which one, but like literally it
Speaker 1: was like these these ratlined Nazis were still around. Barbie
Speaker 1: was involved in politics, like it's incredible.
Speaker 2: Yes, So I just did a bunch of shows and
Speaker 2: we're doing a book right now about the cocaine wars
Speaker 2: in Columbia. What most people don't know about Pablo Escobar
Speaker 2: and the reason why he was assassinated is Pablo Escobar
Speaker 2: was a drug dealer, but he was not one of
Speaker 2: the CIA drug dealers, and he refused to play the
Speaker 2: CIA game. Pablo Escobar was referred to in Colombia as
Speaker 2: the Robin Hood of the drug dealers. He reinvested all
Speaker 2: of his proceeds in Colombia. He built schools, he built cities,
Speaker 2: he built houses. Well, that's not the whole idea of
Speaker 2: the drug trade. The whole idea of the drug trade
Speaker 2: is to launder your money into the United States and
Speaker 2: by real estate. So he was on the outs of
Speaker 2: the medaling cartel, was on the outs of the Cali cartel,
Speaker 2: and so the CIA gets in bed with the Cali
Speaker 2: cartel and basically marginalizes the medaling cartel. So Noriega got
Speaker 2: it caught in the middle of that. Obviously we over
Speaker 2: threw his government.
Speaker 1: So Klaus Barbie was in Bolivia. I got it wrong,
Speaker 1: but he had some kind of connection to Escobar.
Speaker 2: So Bolivia was the country where a lot of the
Speaker 2: coca plants, and I didn't know this until recently. Coca
Speaker 2: plants were grown throughout Latin America for and sold internationally
Speaker 2: for municipal purposes and tea, so it was a legitimate
Speaker 2: crop for like one hundred years longer. And someone figured
Speaker 2: out with a whole bunch of chemicals that you can
Speaker 2: convert coca leaves into cocaine. Now, if you honestly wanted
Speaker 2: to fight a war against drugs and you know that
Speaker 2: the production from a coca leaf to cocaine requires tons
Speaker 2: and tons of chemicals, would you cut chemicals off? Do
Speaker 2: you think we did? No, because US corporation were shipping
Speaker 2: the chemicals down there, and they shipped them in large
Speaker 2: part through Brazil, which we controlled by this point, into
Speaker 2: Colombia for the production. So there's never been an honest
Speaker 2: effort to actually eradicate drugs from anywhere in the world,
Speaker 2: and every time someone successfully did it, like Evo Morales
Speaker 2: gets elected president of Bolivia, he kicks out USAID, he
Speaker 2: kicks out all of the US funded NGOs, and he
Speaker 2: reverts back because he was a cocoa dealer himself, he
Speaker 2: reverts back to the traditional use of coca plants, he
Speaker 2: does not make them illegal, and he goes off. He
Speaker 2: basically goes on to but he was a thorn in
Speaker 2: the CIA side because they were getting a lot of
Speaker 2: the coca leafs from Bolivia, so of course they're at
Speaker 2: odds with him. But every single time someone tries to
Speaker 2: eliminate a drug supply from anywhere, the CIA go in
Speaker 2: and takes them out.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's incredible one. And it's just all part of
Speaker 1: this kind of underground global network of like house factors
Speaker 1: all over that really aren't limited to NATO, so global
Speaker 1: Gladio it really is.
Speaker 2: And it's an effort for what I refer to as
Speaker 2: the International Syndicate, which is this group of oligarchs that
Speaker 2: want to control all of the resources. So if a
Speaker 2: country is discovered to have a resource that you want
Speaker 2: and you don't control the government, and it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: if that resource is drugs or the resources gold or
Speaker 2: the resource is uranium. It doesn't matter if they have
Speaker 2: a resource you want copper, you just go in and
Speaker 2: overthrow the government and then the US goes in and
Speaker 2: plunders the country. That's what's going on in Ukraine. That's
Speaker 2: why I say none of this stuff ever stopped. If
Speaker 2: right right now, what are they trying to do to
Speaker 2: Donald Trump? He will not play along with them, and
Speaker 2: they have done literally everything they can. They tried to
Speaker 2: coop him at least four times during his first administration.
Speaker 2: They tried to assassinate him at least two times that
Speaker 2: we all know about. If you don't play their game,
Speaker 2: they will take you out.
Speaker 1: Same thing's happening in Syria. By the way, like they
Speaker 1: just tried to start.
Speaker 2: Asad was one of the last men standing in their
Speaker 2: global game. Now we have putin as one of the
Speaker 2: last man standing and they've surrounded him with NATO and
Speaker 2: they have launched repeated attacks. The whole Chetsnea thing that
Speaker 2: was an Operation Gladio. All of those quote unquote Muslims
Speaker 2: were trained by the mushah Haden and Tajikistan and some
Speaker 2: of the other former Soviet areas and they were piped
Speaker 2: into Chetsnia to create the Chetznian War.
Speaker 1: Fascinating. I think they tried to kill Putin too. I
Speaker 1: think I'm pretty sure that there was at least one assassination.
Speaker 2: At least a couple of times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So it's just astonishing the kind of how
Speaker 1: this goes. Have you ever heard of the group Combat eighteen.
Speaker 1: It was supposedly a Gladio group in England. Does that
Speaker 1: sow familiar to you.
Speaker 2: I've heard of it, I've not done a lot of
Speaker 2: research into it. England had has several entities that they
Speaker 2: use internal to England.
Speaker 1: They all do, and they have different code names and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I remember ganz Are talking about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it would be all different. But some of the most
Speaker 1: historic things were in Italy where they had like years
Speaker 1: of lead and these Gladio groups were assassinating people and terriorason.
Speaker 2: We know so much about Italy is because after nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety when Andreotti exposed the whole thing, they went through
Speaker 2: about fifteen years of trials and expose's and the revelation,
Speaker 2: well what was funny about his and just for the audience.
Speaker 2: The reason why I knew this was something that God
Speaker 2: wanted me to research When I read Paul Williams book,
Speaker 2: I got to the part where he's talking about Andreotti's
Speaker 2: speech to the Senate and it happened on the second
Speaker 2: of August of nineteen ninety. And the reason why that
Speaker 2: date sticks in my mind is because my plane landed
Speaker 2: in Italy the morning of the second of August nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety for my three year assignment in Italy. I walked
Speaker 2: off the airplane into the Rome airport and it is
Speaker 2: filled with carabinary with AK forty seven, and I've got
Speaker 2: my daughter, who's like ten years old with me, and
Speaker 2: I'm going, what the hell have I done? Because I
Speaker 2: had a choice. I didn't have to go to Italy?
Speaker 2: Is this what Italy looks like? What I didn't know
Speaker 2: at the time until I got to Brendicy's Airport in
Speaker 2: southern Italy, where which was near where my base was
Speaker 2: going to be, is that's the exact same day Saddam
Speaker 2: Hussein invaded Kuwait. So yeah, and and what was that
Speaker 2: all about? That was a NATO operation in which the
Speaker 2: week before a April Gillespie, who was at the in
Speaker 2: Iraq as the quote unquote ambassador, basically gave Saddam Hussein
Speaker 2: the permission to go into Kuwait. And so if you knew,
Speaker 2: if you're NATO and you knew that you were about
Speaker 2: to get exposed, would you want a distraction?
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, And it just so.
Speaker 2: Happens to happen on the exact same day.
Speaker 1: Unbelievably, it's hard to believe that's chance. Did you ever
Speaker 1: look into the death of Aldo Moro? Was that actually
Speaker 1: done by leftists?
Speaker 2: No, it was not. It was one hundred percent. As
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, just before he was actually abducted,
Speaker 2: there was another plan by the CIA to do that
Speaker 2: that was called off at the last minute.
Speaker 1: Interesting supposedly called off. He was really was abducted, but
Speaker 1: he was kind of like a Christian.
Speaker 2: There was that separate what he was going to do
Speaker 2: a unified government. You're not allowed to have a unified
Speaker 2: anything because then there's going to be people talking. They
Speaker 2: had a separate plan that was called off. He actually
Speaker 2: was abducted, he was murdered, and there's a whole long
Speaker 2: story about that, but it was one hundred percent part
Speaker 2: of the strategy of tension. And the same thing with
Speaker 2: Olaf Palm in Sweden.
Speaker 1: Yes, I've done a show on that too. That's an
Speaker 1: interest never never wow and nobody, and it's totally done
Speaker 1: by right wingers, but nobody ever got arrested. It's really
Speaker 1: their JFK.
Speaker 2: Yes, and his assistant was also gunned down with a.
Speaker 1: Very high caliber gun or like something just really crazy. Yes,
Speaker 1: I've done a show on that. One of the guy
Speaker 1: who wrote I don't know if you know this, but
Speaker 1: the guy who wrote The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
Speaker 1: whose name escapes me. Now, he also did a huge
Speaker 1: investigation into Palma. Yeah, and really fascinating stuff. But it
Speaker 1: all led back to these gladiotypes. Right wingers, hard rightists.
Speaker 1: Palma was a leftist, right walking.
Speaker 2: Well see I don't use okay never it was liberal.
Speaker 1: What's the term? He was a He wasn't a fascist.
Speaker 2: He was a non performist right.
Speaker 1: These are actual One of the interesting thing things is
Speaker 1: that these are actual fascists. These aren't like somebody name
Speaker 1: calling somebody a Nazi fastest. A lot of these guys
Speaker 1: are literal fascists.
Speaker 2: No, they are one percent. And that's why that Nazi International.
Speaker 2: If you go back and you look at the Fabian
Speaker 2: Society in the late eighteen hundreds, they actually talk about
Speaker 2: the fact that we're going to have three world wars
Speaker 2: and we're going to basically implement one world government. They
Speaker 2: talked about it back then. So and they were going
Speaker 2: to use fascist dictatorships around the world in order to
Speaker 2: implement this. They love them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's incredible.
Speaker 2: So let me get to the second point of who
Speaker 2: our Gladio operatives are. So I began looking into terrorism
Speaker 2: in the United States and you come up with several themes.
Speaker 2: So if you look at one of the common denominators
Speaker 2: between JFK's assassination and our case assassination and the murder
Speaker 2: of the Chilean ambassador Latier in the cart.
Speaker 1: It's a really good book, really good book. I recommend
Speaker 1: to go. I've had as a guest. His name is McPherson,
Speaker 1: and it's called the Ghost of Sheridan Circle because it
Speaker 1: was one of the circles in DC. It's the only
Speaker 1: assassination of a diplomat in the history I think of
Speaker 1: DC or the United States or something like that.
Speaker 2: So what you find is the common denominator the overthrow
Speaker 2: of Nixon during Watergate. What you find is as a
Speaker 2: common denominator is a group of Cuban exiles in Miami
Speaker 2: all of which were trained by the CIA. And you
Speaker 2: also find that those Cuban exiles were deployed all over
Speaker 2: the world. They were in El Salvador, they were in Nicaragua,
Speaker 2: they were in Guatemala, they were in a These, they
Speaker 2: were in Vietnam, they were in the Philippines. They have
Speaker 2: been a global terrorist organization that was set up and
Speaker 2: trained exclusively by the CIA, and they were implicated in
Speaker 2: many of what I would refer to as Gladio style
Speaker 2: operations in the United States. And to that point, Lyman Limitsker,
Speaker 2: the guy I talked about that was at that secret meeting.
Speaker 2: He goes on to be a four star general. He
Speaker 2: is the chief of staff when JFK becomes president. Lyman
Speaker 2: Limitsker wrote Operation Northwood. That was his product in coordination
Speaker 2: with Allen Dallies. And what it does is it lines
Speaker 2: out several Gladio operations that can be conducted inside the
Speaker 2: United States, like bombing cities dressed up as Cuban military
Speaker 2: so we can justify a ground invasion of Cuba. So
Speaker 2: he's actually writing a document to implement Operation Gladio style
Speaker 2: domestic terror events. Because he's very familiar with Gladio, he
Speaker 2: helps set it up at the post World War two operations.
Speaker 2: And then JFK is so appalled by the fact that
Speaker 2: a general would write something like that, but the Bay
Speaker 2: of Pigs had just happened, so he doesn't want to
Speaker 2: fire fire him and make him retire, so he reassigns
Speaker 2: him from Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff And
Speaker 2: do you know where he put him?
Speaker 1: No, I don't.
Speaker 2: He becomes the chief of NATO.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, wow.
Speaker 2: And NATO's running Operation Gladio. And less than a year
Speaker 2: later he's dead.
Speaker 1: JFK's dead. Yeah. Yeah, it's incredible, Like I mean, for
Speaker 1: people who don't know, Lettelier was underling of Allende, who
Speaker 1: actually was very much involved in the copper trade. He
Speaker 1: was involved in redistributing that wealth that was there, trying
Speaker 1: to get it back to the people of Chile. But
Speaker 1: it was Cuban who was a Cuban. Four Cuban guys
Speaker 1: also involved in Watergate and just so many other things
Speaker 1: like they're supposedly Cubans. A JFK assassination, I think one
Speaker 1: you even mentioned was Rodriguez was involved I think with
Speaker 1: the Stone Cold involved in killing Guivara and war Jerry
Speaker 1: Shay Grivara's watch. I think I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: still a lot, but I think you mentioned that Tucker
Speaker 1: Carlson interviewed him. You wonder how smart Carlson is sometimes
Speaker 1: because he didn't get into the nitty gritty. It's almost
Speaker 1: like he covered for him by not asking really hardcore
Speaker 1: intel questions, which I think Carlson should know. He's a
Speaker 1: member of the Pilgrim Society, among other things at Metro
Speaker 1: Appolitan Club, like he's a blue blood all the way
Speaker 1: parading he's a like the most plastic every man crazy
Speaker 1: like it's all image for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm wondering if he's parading these people in front
Speaker 2: of Americans to get them to do their own research.
Speaker 2: Because the very first post I made after listening to
Speaker 2: that interview was to Tucker Carlson saying, you need to
Speaker 2: fire your security, right.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a good question. It's a mystery, like
Speaker 1: sometimes you get the front of these people and their
Speaker 1: responses to things. I remember when Carlson was interviewing Putin,
Speaker 1: and Putin really was trying to talk about Russian history
Speaker 1: and Carlson was like, what the guy, what the hell
Speaker 1: is this guy trying to do? But Carlson was the
Speaker 1: intermediary between Putin explaining things to the American people. Because
Speaker 1: we're in freaking Mockingbird. We don't know squat about what's
Speaker 1: going on in the world correct intentionally, So it's it
Speaker 1: is a mystery. I mean, it's incredible when you think,
Speaker 1: like I've heard of like guys like who's it Jose Calison,
Speaker 1: that McVeigh is Operation American. Operation Gladiol was destabilizing, and
Speaker 1: that a lot of these white supremacist groups are already
Speaker 1: infiltrated and they're creating this tensions that people can then
Speaker 1: strike back at them or do something in that. I mean,
Speaker 1: Fay's an intel and this Strassmeier guy.
Speaker 2: The Strassmeier guy is tied directly to Germany's His grandfather
Speaker 2: was part of Operation Gladiol under Hitler. His grandfather there
Speaker 2: you go. Yeah, and he went back to work for
Speaker 2: the German.
Speaker 1: B and d Boones knocked deanst or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this people can't believe it, like these cover stories,
Speaker 1: but here's yeah, that's like that. Whole era, though, was
Speaker 1: this destabilization psychological warfare to.
Speaker 2: Create a narrative of white Christian nationalist as domestic terrorist,
Speaker 2: the Ruby Ridge Waco, and it had to be Christian,
Speaker 2: white Christian nationalist or terrorist. And you had Ruby Ridge
Speaker 2: Waco in Oklahoma in quick series.
Speaker 1: I think the day today's the anniversary of Ruby Ridge.
Speaker 1: I think Ruby and it was also that was also
Speaker 1: an intel up all the way. I mean they framed that, correct,
Speaker 1: They like turned him into church, like, hey, can you
Speaker 1: give me a sawed off shotgun?
Speaker 2: I mean he tried to recruit him and he told
Speaker 2: them no.
Speaker 1: Right right, yeah, like I'm not part of this. What's
Speaker 1: your take on McVeigh? Is he an asset?
Speaker 2: So at some point he was co opted? I don't
Speaker 2: know at what point that happened. But he was not
Speaker 2: a kind of a stooge. He was not. If you
Speaker 2: go back and you look at the way the entire
Speaker 2: thing unfolded, he was a knowing participant in that operation.
Speaker 1: Interesting, right, so like he knew he was in an operation.
Speaker 1: He wasn't a white supremacist. He was kind of playing
Speaker 1: a role or a persona or correct now. I think
Speaker 1: he visited Bill Cooper and then the aced Cooper too,
Speaker 1: I think right after nine to eleven. Actually, that's a
Speaker 1: whole nother story of questionable story. So it's just so crazy.
Speaker 1: And then like you can, people are saying, like some
Speaker 1: researchers saying, what's happening now? Is this this reiteration of
Speaker 1: the strategy of tension? Okay, so you believe that, A.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, I don't believe it ever went away.
Speaker 1: Interesting, and they're running it for their own advantage and
Speaker 1: to you know, d stable society something.
Speaker 2: Look what they did in Ukraine. We go in there
Speaker 2: in two thousand and four and overthrow the government. We
Speaker 2: go there in twenty fourteen and we overthrow the government.
Speaker 2: And who do we use? We use Azab Battalion and
Speaker 2: Right Sector, both of which are the modern day Nazis
Speaker 2: in Ukraine. Igor Kolmoyski becomes the governor post twenty fourteen
Speaker 2: of the region right next to the Donbass Region. And
Speaker 2: what's his first act as governor? He brings all of
Speaker 2: the Azov battalions in as his quote unquote security, Well,
Speaker 2: who do you need security from those Azov battalions. Immediately
Speaker 2: worked with the CIA, and this came out in the
Speaker 2: New York Times. They build over I think it was
Speaker 2: fourteen is what they said, secret underground sites along the
Speaker 2: don Bass region and then immediately start attacking the don
Speaker 2: Bass region. Why because they wanted to provoke a war
Speaker 2: with Russia that went on from twenty fourteen until twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two. And Putin told Tucker that one of his
Speaker 2: primary goals was to denazify Ukraine and he wasn't kidding.
Speaker 1: He stated that over and over in public speeches, especially
Speaker 1: like I think when the war started February twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: he stated that as well.
Speaker 2: So there is modern day Gladio going on all the.
Speaker 1: Time, all the time, like fine, secret financing, secret agendas.
Speaker 1: Did you ever tie the Brevent killings? Was it eighty
Speaker 1: two to eighty five to Gladio? Oh? Wo okay, so
Speaker 1: those are Gladio. That's another weird crime that nobody ever
Speaker 1: got caught for. Like you went into supermarkets and blew
Speaker 1: people away in the most savage man in manner.
Speaker 2: What do you what? You find some patterns in all
Speaker 2: of this is they love killing women and children because psychologically,
Speaker 2: you get more bang for your buck than killing a guy.
Speaker 2: And they love targeting music venues like Las Vegas and
Speaker 2: like the October seventh in Israel because you get young people,
Speaker 2: a lot of females, and then you get more bang
Speaker 2: for your psychological book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ten to seven was a total inside job, total
Speaker 1: false folg attack, Like those were all people that that
Speaker 1: net Yahoo and his crew eight. It's a bunch of
Speaker 1: like Pinko, left Wind, I don't know whatever, non fascist types. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just happening over and over and all it's on.
Speaker 1: It's still current. But these Brebant killings actually cop popped
Speaker 1: back into the news within the last week because they
Speaker 1: have a new lead. So we'll see what happens with that.
Speaker 1: But those are extraordinary and they could be blamed in
Speaker 1: a gang or whatever. But it's like these are so violent.
Speaker 1: Why would criminals who wanted to just steal stuff from
Speaker 1: a supermarket or you know, thieves go in so hard
Speaker 1: and just kill people?
Speaker 2: Like what you find? Yeah, what you find is that
Speaker 2: was there was a movement going on at the time
Speaker 2: in Belgium to try to get rid of NATO, and
Speaker 2: there were all kinds of unrest there. They have two
Speaker 2: distinct kind of what do you call it, ethnic groupings.
Speaker 1: And Yamish and yeah.
Speaker 2: And so there was a lot of Again it's strategy
Speaker 2: of tension. You played both sides so that you can
Speaker 2: control all of the people and psychologically, when you have
Speaker 2: these terror events, you get complacent people because they want safety,
Speaker 2: and that's what that was all about.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's incredible. It's just around like I mean, some
Speaker 1: of these things that I mean, I've always been suspicious
Speaker 1: about this guy Boltner who killed these two people in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: his background, what he was up to. He attempted killing
Speaker 1: a funtas. There's a lot of really strange like that
Speaker 1: guy you tried to coffunt us. He was savage, he
Speaker 1: killed a lot of different people, and he was smart.
Speaker 1: He wore a motorcycle helmet to conceal his identity. Like
Speaker 1: that's a that's like somebody pre thinking something or you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know where they come from. I got my list.
Speaker 1: It's Ruth and Crooks and there was a recent one
Speaker 1: livels Burger Jabbar. Like when you look at them all,
Speaker 1: Luigi Mangioni, like some of these guys are not Manngioni
Speaker 1: is very strange. But these guys came out of Fort Bragg,
Speaker 1: like they've been traced to Fort Bragg. Like this is
Speaker 1: really dark stuff.
Speaker 2: It is very dark stuff.
Speaker 1: We're at the hour mark. I don't want to keep
Speaker 1: you too long. Do you have anything you'd like to
Speaker 1: add or anything I missed before?
Speaker 2: Now I think we kind of covered the nuts and
Speaker 2: bolts of it. Obviously, I have hundreds of hours of shows.
Speaker 2: We've looked at everything. Not everything, We'll never look at everything,
Speaker 2: but we've looked at a lot of things. I also
Speaker 2: on Wednesday night have a show on the Alpha Warrior Show,
Speaker 2: and we've done like sixty some shows. We did Jonestown
Speaker 2: with Jim Jones that totally was Glatio and m k
Speaker 2: Ultra operation We've looked at We went back and looked
Speaker 2: at the O. J. Simpson. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So when you said the Alpha Warriors, so is that
Speaker 1: a podcast or is that on.
Speaker 2: Alpha Warrior podcast? Yeah? That has kind of my late breaking.
Speaker 2: He has a huge audience I don't, and so most
Speaker 2: of the most sensational things that I release I do
Speaker 2: on his show. On my show, I basically do book reviews.
Speaker 2: It's kind of the deep, nitty gritty aspects of Operation Gladio.
Speaker 2: That's where I did Cynthia Chung's book, and I've done
Speaker 2: both volumes of Whitney Webb's book, and we concentrate on
Speaker 2: going really in depth on my channel. As an additional
Speaker 2: resource for people to be able to look at. And
Speaker 2: the best place to find me is on the Rumble channel,
Speaker 2: the Colonel's Corner and also on x it's at Colonel
Speaker 2: spelled out towner, Colonel town.
Speaker 1: So I'll put I'll try to find a link to
Speaker 1: the Awful Warrior, but I'll put a link to your
Speaker 1: Rumble and then your Twitter. And I've had a lot
Speaker 1: of your guests. I had Chip On by the way,
Speaker 1: I talked to him too, really good book. But Cynthia
Speaker 1: Chung's book is The Empire upon Which the Sun Never Set?
Speaker 2: Is that right, that's the Black Sun Never Set?
Speaker 1: Yeah, black Son, thank you. Really good book too.
Speaker 2: It is a very good book because it goes into
Speaker 2: the history of Gladio.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, mind blowing stuff. It really is happening worldwide,
Speaker 1: Like this kind of thing is happening in the US.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the stuff is not it's artificial.
Speaker 1: It's not you know, somebody's pushing these guys to do stuff,
Speaker 1: or sometimes these guys are online and they have mysterious
Speaker 1: FBI supposed FBI agents or all kinds of weird stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But thanks for sharing all of your knowledge
Speaker 1: and for doing your research. I'd have you back to
Speaker 1: talk about other things anytime. And again, the guest's full
Speaker 1: name is Colonel Roxanne Towner Watkins. Last name was spelled
Speaker 1: t O w n E R dash w A t
Speaker 1: k i n S. And we talked about global gladiol
Speaker 1: and it's this intricate web of stuff that happened from
Speaker 1: World War Two to the present. So thank you so
Speaker 1: much for your time. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me all right, that