WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.160 --> 00:00:04.519 Okay, we are live. How this is William Ramsey. Welcome 2 00:00:04.559 --> 00:00:07.000 to William Ramsey Investigates on Today Show. I have a 3 00:00:07.120 --> 00:00:10.880 very special guest, a recommended guest. Somebody's recommended to me 4 00:00:11.960 --> 00:00:14.320 and it was a very good recommendation. Her name is 5 00:00:14.400 --> 00:00:18.160 Colonel ro Sanne Towner Watkins. Her last name is spelled 6 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:22.760 t own E R dash w A t ki n S. 7 00:00:23.559 --> 00:00:25.440 And I was kind of following up on this. I 8 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:27.239 know a lot of people in kind of the research 9 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:31.079 community talks about Gladio, but she was recommended to me 10 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:34.159 as kind of a global Gladio. So I spent today 11 00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:36.880 kind of researching and I listened to a really great 12 00:00:37.719 --> 00:00:41.359 presentation by Matthew Eric. He's been on my show and 13 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:44.439 I think it was either the Canadian Patriot or Rising 14 00:00:44.479 --> 00:00:48.920 Tide Foundation, and she did. She was the featured guest 15 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:53.479 and the title was Gladio and JFK. But it covered 16 00:00:53.479 --> 00:00:55.719 a lot of territory things I didn't know some of 17 00:00:55.719 --> 00:00:58.719 the stuff I did, and I heard the Knights of 18 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:01.960 Malta mentioned that was interesting. I've done like ten shows 19 00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:06.319 and very detailed four hundred slide presentation on Knights of 20 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:10.920 Malta even up to today, because current Pope met with 21 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:13.079 the head of the Knight of Malta, who was actually Canadian, 22 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:17.959 believe or not. He's the first non I think European 23 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:20.000 as the head of the Knights of Malta, a thousand 24 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:23.480 millennia old organization with a lot of kind of these 25 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:29.079 characters who are involved in Gladio were also involved in that, 26 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:32.680 and she talked about today in the discussion I heard 27 00:01:32.719 --> 00:01:35.519 with her a Matt that a lot of them became 28 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:38.760 knights either were knighted who weren't usually let into the 29 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:41.680 Knights of Malta. It's very used to be a very 30 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:46.439 kind of aristocratic, aristocratic kind of thing, like you've seen 31 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:48.359 the Queen of Elizabeth have a picture for her with 32 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:53.599 the Maltese cross, very distinctive cross. But there's like a 33 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:55.879 lot of things coming on, Like some of these other 34 00:01:55.959 --> 00:01:59.400 researchers that I have said, this strategy of tension is 35 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:03.200 still kind of maybe being implemented in twenty twenty five. 36 00:02:03.760 --> 00:02:07.079 So what the knowledge of what gladio is. Gladio for 37 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:10.240 people who don't know, is the old Roman sword. Believe 38 00:02:10.240 --> 00:02:13.400 it or not. The Romans didn't have these huge, massive swords. 39 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:16.400 They had kind of a medium sized sword. It was 40 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:20.759 called a gladio and it was very effective for close combat. 41 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:25.639 It kind of was an element of their imperial fights. 42 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:28.439 But that's just a little bit of background. So I'm 43 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:32.159 delighted to have her. So again, it's Colonel Towner Watkins. 44 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:33.199 Welcome to the show. 45 00:02:33.759 --> 00:02:36.800 Thank you. I'm glad to be here. Thanks for the inviting. 46 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:39.800 Cool awesome. I like the fact that you're such a 47 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:42.199 passionate researcher. I was looking through all the other kind 48 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:44.360 of things that you had done. I was looking at 49 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:46.599 your YouTube channel and all this stuff, like you've done 50 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:49.639 a lot of research. Maybe you can talk about your background, 51 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:53.120 your research, and kind of what led up to your 52 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:55.439 interest in this particular topic. 53 00:02:56.759 --> 00:03:00.680 Well that's a very interesting story. So for those of 54 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:03.280 you who don't know me, I spent thirty years in 55 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:07.400 the Air Force, and I was not an intel officer, 56 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:11.240 I was not a pilot. I was a support officer. 57 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:14.400 I started off in aircraft maintenance when I enlisted in 58 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:18.280 nineteen seventy nine. I spent eight years doing that, turning wrenches, 59 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:21.560 working on the flight line. But I have always been 60 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:26.919 a very avid reader, and I only really ever read nonfiction, 61 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:33.199 and so I had an entire library of biographies of 62 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:38.680 you know, leaders, depart sect, secretary of States and that 63 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:43.560 type of thing. And so about three years ago now, 64 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:51.280 I was reading Anthony Sutton's trilogy about the funding of 65 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:57.400 the Bolshevik Revolution, World War Two, Hitler and FDR, and 66 00:03:57.439 --> 00:04:00.879 it was information that I had never seen before. And 67 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:05.879 so if you compile all of what I did know, 68 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:10.000 I started kind of in my head filling in holes. 69 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:14.919 And that led me to doing a little bit more 70 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:21.920 research in non approved books about World War Two and 71 00:04:22.680 --> 00:04:26.639 what I found out in reading books like Fascist International 72 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:31.040 or Nazi International and some of the other books Joseph 73 00:04:31.079 --> 00:04:38.439 Ferrell's book about the Third Way, I realized that there 74 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:43.079 has been a kind of what I referred to as 75 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:49.160 a fake left and a fake right in order to 76 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:52.160 create these polar opposites. You don't want to go too 77 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:53.959 far this way, and you don't want to go too 78 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:56.439 far this way, and it was used kind of just 79 00:04:56.519 --> 00:05:01.079 to heard the mass of people around the globe into 80 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:07.480 a controlled setting. And psychological operations, obviously is something in 81 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:12.000 the military that we learn a lot about. So I 82 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:16.360 started kind of putting all of this together, and in 83 00:05:16.439 --> 00:05:19.120 one of those books it mentioned this thing called stay 84 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:23.319 behind units. Now I have six different degrees, and they're 85 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:28.360 very diverse. But I spent a year at Air War College, 86 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:34.040 and for someone like me and my background, with the 87 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:37.720 extensive reading that I have done, to come across what 88 00:05:37.959 --> 00:05:41.839 was obviously a military operation that I've never heard of, 89 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:45.839 was quite interesting. So of course I start doing just 90 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:50.680 some surface level research on this idea of stay behind units, 91 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:53.319 and I find out the history goes back to the 92 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:57.560 Boer Wars and Winston Churchill when he was a journalist, 93 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:01.920 and the creation of the Jedbirds, which of course I 94 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:06.680 had heard of, and the fact that Hitler and his 95 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:11.120 intelligence operation ran by General Wolfe and General Reinhard Galen 96 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:17.120 set up stay behind units extensively throughout German occupied territory. 97 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:21.279 They were called werewolf units. And again, up until three 98 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:23.240 years ago, I didn't know any of this. This is 99 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:28.360 not taught in any professional military education. Obviously, it's not 100 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:32.319 a well known fact in the United States at all. 101 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:36.879 So I started doing a little bit more digging, and 102 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:40.160 you find out that there was this secret meeting in 103 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:45.879 northern Italy between General wolf Alan Dulles and a major 104 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:48.600 general at the time by the name of Lyman Limisker, 105 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:54.560 and he was Eisenhower's chief of logistics. Now, for those 106 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:58.279 of us in the military, we know their critical a 107 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:03.519 critical element of implementing any plan that you have. At 108 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:08.759 this meeting there was discussion about turning over the plans 109 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:14.439 and the layout of this extensive stay behind network that 110 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:18.959 was laid in Romania and Hungary and Ukraine and all 111 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:24.199 of these German occupied territories at least at one point 112 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:28.199 they were German occupied territories, but it was in France, 113 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:33.319 it was in the Netherlands. And I started again just 114 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:36.120 kind of digging into it, and I come across Paul 115 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:40.519 Williams's book called Operation Gladio, and Danielle Ganser, who he 116 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:43.519 talked about before the show. His book is called NATO 117 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:46.519 Secret Army. So those were the two first books that 118 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:51.199 I highly recommend if you're interested in the topic to read. 119 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:56.759 And it makes clear that this critical meeting with Alan 120 00:07:56.839 --> 00:08:03.560 Dallas is pivotal to the transferring of this stay behind network. 121 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:05.639 And let me just explain what that is real quick. 122 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:12.000 They created these small units of anywhere from fifteen to 123 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:21.800 twenty men that they consolidated cachets of weapons, explosives, common equipment, 124 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:26.519 and money and at the beck and call of the 125 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:30.959 senior leadership of the Nazi regime, they would activate these 126 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:34.960 stay behind units to fall in on these weapon cachets 127 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:39.840 and attack whoever the target was. And if you could 128 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:45.519 imagine in Ukraine with the Bandera network and Stetsco and 129 00:08:45.559 --> 00:08:48.840 all of the people that Hitler and Otto Skorzini, who 130 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:54.519 was the trainer for these stay behind units, they arranged 131 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:57.720 for all of these weapons. So there's an entire network 132 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:02.840 across Europe of these things. And this meeting was basically 133 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:09.159 arranging the transfer of control of this network over to 134 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:13.559 the US, and there was not any There were a 135 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:16.399 couple of other people at the meeting, but primarily they 136 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:18.960 left the Soviet Union, who at the time was our 137 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:24.639 ally out of this planning meeting. So if you fast 138 00:09:24.679 --> 00:09:27.440 forward a little bit, you find out that also at 139 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:30.320 that meeting they were deciding who was going to go 140 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:34.399 to Nuremberg and who wasn't, and there was going to 141 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:40.840 be a concerted effort to say several like a lot 142 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:48.240 of the Nazi upper echelon, and that was then going 143 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:50.720 to be what we now commonly referred to as the 144 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:54.519 ratlines into Spain, which at the time was under the 145 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:59.639 fascist dictator Franco and then on into South America. Well 146 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:04.519 in the story later on under Operation Condor, because you 147 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:08.519 will find out that Operation Gladio, while specifically with it, 148 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:12.080 is kind of a generic term. Every country had their 149 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:14.639 own name, like in Turkey was called the Gray Wolfs 150 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:18.919 in Portugal it was called a Ginger Press. But generically 151 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:22.840 now everybody just refers to it as Gladio. And so 152 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:28.200 this this network gets turned over to the US. They 153 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:33.159 fly Reinhard Galen dressed up as a US general into Washington, 154 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:36.200 d C. To go to the USS headquarters and debrief him, 155 00:10:36.919 --> 00:10:41.919 and basically they then assume control of this network and 156 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:48.559 continue to further it. Now it's originally done under the 157 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:53.120 guise of fighting communism. And when I interviewed Paul Williams, 158 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:56.720 who wrote the book Operation Gladio, my specific question was 159 00:10:57.279 --> 00:11:00.120 to him was do you believe that there was or 160 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:07.679 a communist threat? And basically my kind of takeaway is 161 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:10.200 if you look at the state that we left the 162 00:11:10.240 --> 00:11:14.320 Soviet Union in after World War Two, where depending on 163 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:17.080 who you read, the estimates is anywhere from twenty five 164 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:21.519 million to fifty million people had been killed, a lot 165 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:25.919 of their manufacturing had been gutted by the Nazis. They 166 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:28.440 they're not a threat. They're not a threat to Europe, 167 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:32.200 They're not a threat to anyone. So the fact that 168 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:36.399 there's this extensive network under the guise of fighting communism 169 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:39.480 in the immediate aftermath of the war is a little 170 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:44.120 odd because there was no threat. And what you find 171 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:47.039 out if you span out to the thirty thousand footlook, 172 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:53.600 every single one of these Gladio programs throughout Europe in 173 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:57.320 the aftermath of World War two were used to create 174 00:11:57.799 --> 00:12:03.919 domestic terrorism against the people in Europe. And of course 175 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:09.000 the most well known, well documented example of that is 176 00:12:09.039 --> 00:12:13.360 in Italy, because, as you mentioned earlier in nineteen ninety, 177 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:20.120 on August second, the Prime Minister of Italy, after a 178 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:24.679 lot of exposure and research had went on, and the 179 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:31.320 murder of journalist, judges that tried to do investigations, prosecutors 180 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:35.200 that had done investigations in the late seventies and all 181 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:40.360 of eighties, finally a roster of all of the people 182 00:12:40.399 --> 00:12:43.679 that had been involved in it was discovered in a 183 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:49.399 secret compartment of lucio'gellis, who was the grand Mason of 184 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:54.120 the P two Masonic Lodge, and it had like eight 185 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:56.559 hundred names on it. So now the cat's out of 186 00:12:56.559 --> 00:13:02.919 the bag and the there's lots of so Andreotti, the 187 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:05.080 Prime Minister, he gets up in front of the Senate 188 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:10.200 in Italy and basically discloses the fact that Operation Gladio 189 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:15.600 was real and it was used extensively for domestic terrorism 190 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:19.159 throughout Italy. There's a lot of people eventually sent to 191 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:22.840 jail as a result of that, and it implicated the 192 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:26.960 Vatican because what you find out in the aftermath of 193 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:31.559 World War two, in order to fund this extensive covert 194 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:37.440 operation that couldn't necessarily be funded with money that was 195 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:41.360 appropriated because it's secret, they had set up the most 196 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:46.159 extensive drug trafficking network in the world out of Southeast Asia. 197 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:51.159 And that's where people like Shang Kaishek, who was in 198 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:56.559 a civil war with Mao in China, and the OSS 199 00:13:57.440 --> 00:14:02.480 mainly people like Paul helling Well, some of those names 200 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:07.440 that are associated with the CIA in the aftermath. He 201 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:11.639 was a military attasha because he was a colonel to 202 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:16.320 Shane Kai Shek, and what they observed in the Asian 203 00:14:16.399 --> 00:14:19.360 theater during World War two is Shane Kai Shek was 204 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:23.879 funding the war, not just against Japan, but against mal 205 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:28.639 by selling opium. And so Paul Halliwell picks up the 206 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:30.519 phone to Alan Dallas and he goes, hey, I think 207 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:33.360 I got our funding thing resolved. All we have to 208 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:35.440 do is take care of Shang Kai Shek and find 209 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:38.000 a place for him to hang out, and we can 210 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:42.679 sell opium that's grown over here in Asia, ship it 211 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:45.360 and we'll just take money off the top because it's 212 00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:51.200 illicit drugs and it's you know, covert funding. So let's 213 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:54.759 just marry these two covert programs and we've got a 214 00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:57.879 funding source, and then we can equip all of these 215 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:04.320 covert gladio op os with that money. And so initially 216 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:07.000 they decide to set up because they've not given up 217 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:10.960 on China. They want China. So they set shang Kaishak 218 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:15.240 up in Burma along the Chinese border, and they're running 219 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:19.759 missions into China. This is after World War two, so 220 00:15:19.759 --> 00:15:26.799 they're running missions into China attacking Mao, and so Mao 221 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:30.919 has decreed that there's no opium. It's all gone. There's 222 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:34.279 not going to be any drugs in China. So he's 223 00:15:34.360 --> 00:15:41.200 basically eliminating a major source. So they start growing the 224 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:44.759 poppy in Burma, which is where they set Shang Kai 225 00:15:44.799 --> 00:15:48.639 Shehak up initially while a Burmese government gets tired of 226 00:15:48.679 --> 00:15:51.879 all of the weapons and the murders and everything else. 227 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:56.960 And so the CIA now decides they're going to move 228 00:15:56.960 --> 00:15:59.559 Shang Kai Shehek to this little island off the coast 229 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:03.000 of kind of called Formosa, and we're going to change 230 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:05.000 the name of it, and we're going to call it Taiwan. 231 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:09.399 And so as soon as Shane Kaishek gets there, the 232 00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:12.000 formotions are like, we don't want that guy here. He's 233 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:16.080 a drug dealer. And at the time, depending on who 234 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:19.279 you read, between eighty and ninety percent of the opium 235 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:22.360 supply and the world was being generated by Shang Kai Shek, 236 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:28.600 and so you yeah, so you have this, you have 237 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:37.360 this entire network of US, the ambassadors, the CIA station chief, everybody. 238 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:41.679 They fall in on Formosa, they prop up Shang Kai Shek. 239 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:45.840 He immediately declares martial law because the promotion, the formotions 240 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:48.919 are rebelling. They're like, we don't want you here. And 241 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:52.759 so if you said anything out loud about Shane Kayshek 242 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:57.320 that was negative, you would get murdered. And there are 243 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:05.039 declassified CE Department k from the ambassador that depict him 244 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:10.200 looking out his window and watching these new quote unquote 245 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:18.839 Taiwanese Shang Kai shek kmt military people bayonetting people in 246 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:23.559 the streets in front of the US embassy. So it's 247 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:28.720 terror unleashed on the island of Formosa to subdue the rebellion. 248 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:33.559 And there's people like William Polly. I'd never heard of 249 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:37.079 this guy, and if you look up William Polly, it's 250 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:41.880 one of the most interesting stories. He is instrumental. He 251 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:46.720 has given the Curtis Aircraft franchise in Southeast Asia, so 252 00:17:46.839 --> 00:17:50.839 he starts manufacturing all kinds of military aircraft to supply 253 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:54.359 Shang Kai shek with aircraft. You have the creation of 254 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:58.640 the China Lobby. You have Claire Chenault, a major general 255 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:05.480 who who is instrumental in creating what eventually becomes Air America, 256 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:10.079 the civil error transport company that flew a lot of 257 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:14.799 the drugs around. It's just like this entire industry pops 258 00:18:14.880 --> 00:18:20.839 up in Southeast Asia and so and the people that 259 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:24.240 are involved in it is just you can do a 260 00:18:24.279 --> 00:18:26.759 whole show just on that part of it. 261 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:29.839 It's a huge operation, right it is. 262 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:34.480 So now we need a bank to launder the money through. Well, 263 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:38.160 they picked the Vatican because the Vatican is a sovereign 264 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:41.279 The bank is a sovereign within a sovereign So you 265 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:45.119 have a sovereign bank within a sovereign territory and it 266 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:51.079 just is conveniently located in Italy. When they decide that 267 00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:56.799 the US portion of this opium operation is, they want 268 00:18:56.839 --> 00:19:01.119 to use Sicily because we basically controlled them mafia through 269 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:06.000 Lucky Luciano and all of those people with their Sicilian 270 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:11.440 mafia ties, and so it's just very convenient. However, at 271 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:15.559 the time, we were competing with the French, and because 272 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:18.920 we decided that after World War Two we were going 273 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:21.559 to give the French back Vietnam instead of allowing them 274 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:25.880 to be free, and so they're doing opium out of 275 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:29.160 Laos and it's going to the Corsican mafia in France. 276 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:34.160 And so we found a guy, his last name is Konig, 277 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:38.119 and he's actually a CIA agent, but he is working 278 00:19:38.559 --> 00:19:42.759 kind of undercover with the Corsican mafia, and so he's 279 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:45.640 mapping out the whole Corsican mafia. And if you fast 280 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:49.880 forward a few decades, we declare a war on drug 281 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:53.000 under the Nixon administration, and basically what that did was 282 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:57.359 to take out the entire Corsican mafia. And so basically 283 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:00.960 it was a war on competition, not an actual war 284 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:04.839 on drugs. And so now we've got it all consolidated. 285 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:08.920 We've got control over the source, we've got control over 286 00:20:09.039 --> 00:20:17.559 the transformation of it into actual heroin, and then we 287 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:21.759 have the supply network of the mafia connections that was 288 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:25.440 all set up at several meetings in Cuba, because Cuba 289 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:29.359 was going to be a hub. And Paul Williams mentions 290 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:33.160 the fact that out of Sicily they were after they 291 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:36.920 would refine it, they would hide it in plastic oranges, 292 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:42.440 in crates of oranges going into Cuba, and I had 293 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:45.359 one of my listeners go, oh, well, that explains all 294 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:50.240 the oranges in the Godfather series and what they said, 295 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:52.319 And it is true because I went back and watched it. 296 00:20:53.079 --> 00:20:55.839 All of the murder scenes in The Godfather where they 297 00:20:55.880 --> 00:20:58.880 were talking about taking someone out, there's either oranges on 298 00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:01.880 the table, or the guy that gets shot falls back 299 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:04.880 into a bunch of oranges, and I. 300 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:08.880 Had unsucking on an orange, or when Godfather gets shot 301 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:11.839 in the first one, he falls into an orange crate 302 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:13.079 if you remember. 303 00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:15.359 That yet, And so I had when we were first 304 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:20.519 going through Paul Williams's book on my Rumble channel, I 305 00:21:20.599 --> 00:21:22.759 had somebody go, hey, did you ever figure out what 306 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:24.720 the orange thing was? And I'm like, I don't even 307 00:21:24.759 --> 00:21:26.680 know what you're talking about. And they're like, well, it's 308 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:30.039 in all the death scenes. And so then you know, 309 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:32.640 I went back and I reread Paul Wae's book and 310 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:35.440 he actually even talks about it, and I'm like, holy crap, 311 00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:41.519 I missed that part. So lots of very interesting connections. 312 00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:43.680 And so now we've got the funding source, we've got 313 00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:47.279 the money launder, and we've got this entire network being 314 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:53.599 built out. And as I mentioned the I thought originally 315 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:57.920 in when I was first doing this research that they 316 00:21:58.000 --> 00:22:02.559 created these networks that OTD exclusively within these countries like 317 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:06.240 Gladio inside of Italy, a Ginger Press inside of Portugal. 318 00:22:06.759 --> 00:22:11.680 But what you find out is people like Otto Skorzeni, 319 00:22:11.960 --> 00:22:14.440 who did go to Nuremberg, but he was found quote 320 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:16.960 unquote innocent. Right now, he's one of. 321 00:22:16.880 --> 00:22:18.799 The miracle guys who got away with it. He was 322 00:22:18.839 --> 00:22:22.279 involved in so much underhanded stuff. I had a guest 323 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:25.440 on who wrote a book about him called the Devil's Disciple, 324 00:22:25.880 --> 00:22:28.599 because he was in he rescued for people who don't 325 00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:32.759 know he rescued Mussolini. He was involved in Battle of 326 00:22:32.759 --> 00:22:36.519 the Bulge of like fake stuff and just all kinds 327 00:22:36.559 --> 00:22:40.640 of subjects on the Eastern Front, possibly involved in like 328 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:43.359 burning down synagogues. Like wow, he's. 329 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:47.519 Something else, Yes, he is something else. So this network 330 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:50.839 set him up. Originally he went to Paris because that's 331 00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:55.359 where they're going to set up NATO, and he was 332 00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:58.599 going to be because eventually NATO takes over the When 333 00:22:58.759 --> 00:23:02.160 NATO stands up NATO in charge of the Gladio program. 334 00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:06.079 There were two organizations inside of NATO. One was called 335 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:12.880 the ally Clandestine acc Committee and then the CPC the 336 00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:18.039 Clandestine Planning Committee, And these two entities, which are covered 337 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:22.519 in Danielle Ganser's book, were the kind of coordination body 338 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:25.680 for Operation Gladio. So they're going to have Auto Skorzeni 339 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:29.079 be their trainer because he trained all of the Hitler 340 00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:32.839 Gladio people. That's what he did working for Reinhard Galen 341 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:35.240 and so they're going to put him in Paris. So 342 00:23:35.319 --> 00:23:38.559 he's closed, but he has this huge scar on his 343 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:42.119 base and he's immediately recognized. So they're like, Okay, that's 344 00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:43.440 not going to work. We're going to put him in 345 00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:47.119 Spain because Franco will protect him. And he did, and 346 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:49.839 so he gets a partner and he sets up a 347 00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:52.759 construction company. But we've got to figure out a way 348 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:55.079 to pay him, and we really don't want to use 349 00:23:55.119 --> 00:23:57.640 all these covert funds because this is going to be 350 00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:00.720 an ongoing thing, so let's figure out how we're going 351 00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:04.440 to pay him. Well, it just so happens that he 352 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:09.839 is paid out of the Department of Defense construction business 353 00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:16.759 called Logistics Hello Line and Lemonsker to build bases in Spain. Now, 354 00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:20.640 first of all, being a military officer, my first question 355 00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:24.680 was why are we building bases in Spain when it's 356 00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:27.279 a fascist dictator. I thought we didn't like those people. 357 00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:29.680 Didn't we just bite a war to get rid of one. Yes, 358 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:32.799 we did, but we don't care because we're looking for 359 00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:37.559 an illicit way to channel money to Auto SCORSNY. And so, 360 00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:42.000 weirdly enough, Auto SPORTSNY gets the contract to build all 361 00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:47.359 of the US military bases in Spain, and it's grossly overpriced. 362 00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:50.000 So that was the way we ended up paying Auto 363 00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:54.079 Sportsny to be the trainer for NATO. So he sets 364 00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:59.920 up all over the border near France, these terrorist training camps, 365 00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:04.359 because that's what they are. They're terrorists, and so they're 366 00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:07.920 producing and there are several of them. The school that 367 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:12.480 specialized in kidnapping was on Sardinia, the island off the 368 00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:14.839 coast of Italy, which just so happens to be around 369 00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:19.119 the coast from France. They use the Canary Islands to 370 00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:22.400 do the water how you can you know, be like 371 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:24.599 a scuba diver and come up on a boat and 372 00:25:24.680 --> 00:25:30.839 kill people. Weirdly enough, Maxwell, Robert Maxwell, gets murdered off 373 00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:34.640 the coast of the Canary Islands on his boat. I 374 00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:36.480 don't know that there's a connection, but they don't find 375 00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:42.319 that really weird. So all of the operations are being 376 00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:44.799 set up and the people are going through the training. 377 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:49.839 But then what I noticed is Autoskorzeni is involved in 378 00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:54.000 a whole bunch of operations that's nowhere near Europe. He's 379 00:25:54.039 --> 00:25:59.039 in Algeria. He ends up in the Congo. When we 380 00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:03.000 killed Patrice lu Mamba, he was in charge of that 381 00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:05.440 operation and I was. 382 00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:08.680 In the sixties was it sixty one? 383 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:15.200 Three days before JFK took office, Eisenhower signed the Fonts, 384 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:21.640 signed the finding that authorized the execution of Patrice Lumamba. 385 00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:27.000 And so now I'm getting a different sense of operation 386 00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:32.960 Gladio totally because it wasn't just confined to Europe. And 387 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:36.880 you find two of the gray Wolves out of Turkey 388 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:40.920 are the two guys that eventually were convicted of shooting 389 00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:47.039 the pope in Italy. And so now we've got an 390 00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:53.400 international rorist organization. And so again I just continue kind 391 00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:55.839 of looking this, and then I find out how's for 392 00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:59.279 as any travels to Latin America all the time? Well, 393 00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:02.160 in that way we rautlined all of his buddies. Yes 394 00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:06.680 it is. And then what you find out is that 395 00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:12.920 a lot of the beginnings of the CIA coups all 396 00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:19.319 over South America begin happening. And so you look at Brazil, 397 00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:25.519 you look at Guatemala. So Guatemala happens the year after 398 00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:28.880 we coued Iran in nineteen fifty three. So it happens 399 00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:32.039 in nineteen fifty four. Then in nineteen sixty three we 400 00:27:32.119 --> 00:27:39.200 overthrow Brazil, we overthrow ten years later Chile. We're instrumental 401 00:27:39.319 --> 00:27:42.759