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smartphone or tablet, and again, thank you so much for

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your support. Maybe we should pay people to leave the country.

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That's what the Trump administration is proposing. And I gotta

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tell you, I like the idea. I like the idea.

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I'll tell you in a minute, I'll give you the details.

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But before we do that, I feel it's important to

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revisit something that happened the other day, which was a

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federal judge in Texas appointed by President Trump invalidated Trump's

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invocation of the Alien n Act from seventeen ninety eight,

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which Trump was using to direct the summary deportation of

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Venezuelans alleged to be members of the Trende Ragua TDA.

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Judge Francisco Rodriguez Junior wrote, quote, the historical record renders

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clear that the president's invocation of the AEA through the

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proclamation that Trump issued exceeds the scope of the statute

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and is contrary to the plain ordinary meaning of the

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statute's terms. Judge Rodriguez determined that designations are not insulated

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from judicial as polit Okay, a second lend me back up.

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This is, by the way Andrew McCarthy at National Review.

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Judge Rodriguez determined, contrary to the Trump Justice Department's position

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that designations are not insulated from judicial as political questions,

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relying on the Supreme Court's World War Two era decision

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in lou Deca versus Watkins, the designations are not insulated

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from the judiciary. He agreed. And this is interesting because

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again this is a Trump appointed judge, but he agrees

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with a lot of what the Trump administration is doing

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and arguing. But he's saying this Alien Enemies Act cannot

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be used the way you're using it. He agreed with

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the Trump Justice Department that a state of actual war

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is not required. Okay, So that's been one of the

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contentions from the left that you know, there's no declaration

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of war against Trende Arragua or you know, Venezuela or whatever.

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So without a declaration of war, then you can't invoke

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the Alien Enemies Act. But the judge is agreeing with Trump,

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saying there doesn't have to be an actual war, but

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to trigger the AEA, an invasion or predatory incursion must

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involve an organized armed force entering the United States to

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engage in conduct destructive of property and human life in

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a specific geographical area. Right, So, a criminal gang, a

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criminal enterprise coming into the country is not the same

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as a military incursion, an invasion of troops, that kind

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of thing. The judge also said that while the true

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administration had successfully linked so it did link, and the

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judge agrees here it did link TDA to the ruling

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regime in Venezuela, the Maduro regime. However, tda's activities in

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the United States, even assuming they are directed by the

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Venezuelan regime quote, do not fall within the plain ordinary

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meaning of invasion or predatory incursion, even though the gang's

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activities may well be unambiguously harmful to society in this country.

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So he's saying, the terms invasion and predatory incursion means something,

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and they meant something at the time the law was written,

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and a gang coming across the border. Even if they're

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trying to coordinate with Maduro, that's not the same thing

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as was understood in the AEA. Again, this is just

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a report on the judge's ruling. You can disagree with it,

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and I'm I'm pretty sure they're going to appeal this.

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But Rodriguez ruled that a permanent injunction would bar the

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Trump administration from using the AEA proclamation against these Venezuelan aliens.

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He also certified a class of similarly situated Venezuelans, but

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he restricted. So that's one of the other things that

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a lot of the lawsuits that have been brought that

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have gotten these injunctions that you know, we've talked about

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for the last few months now that there's there hasn't

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been a certified class in the court, which takes some doing.

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And you need to do that though, in order to say,

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like all of these people are harmed in the same way,

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they are all part of a class of complaintants, right

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or complainants whatever. So he did that. The judge did

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certify this class of people, certified a class of similarly

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situated Venezuelans, but he restricted it only to the U. S.

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District Court for the Southern District of Texas. That was

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another argument that has been made that these judges in

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these you know, sole districts are issuing injunctions and banning

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things across the country and that's an abuse of their power.

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So this judge restricted his ruling to just his district,

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and I think that's the proper way to go. And

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then if you get other judges that you know, make

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different rulings, then you have a conflict in the district

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court level. That then rises to the US Supreme Court

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for them to decide because there's conflicting rulings at the

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lower levels. He also deemed that the class is entitled

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to the same protection. Rodriguez made clear that his decision

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was not an impediment to the Trump administrations continuing to

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pursue removal proceedings and enforce any final removal orders against

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the Venezuelans in question, so they can continue with their

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process to try to remove them through the process. But

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he's talking about the use of the proclamation and the

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designation of these guys under the AEA. Specifically, Andy McCarthy

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at National Review says the judge appeared sympathetic to the

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Trump administration's prioritization of immigration law enforcement. He even sided

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with the Trump administration on important questions about the AEA,

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like whether it could only be invoked under war conditions

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he said no, and whether TDA was a de facto

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arm of the Maduro regime. He said yes. McCarthy says

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the judge is obviously correct, however, that there has been

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no invasion or predatory incursion as those terms were understood

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when the AEA was enacted. This is an originalist approach.

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This is what conservatives have been asking for in their judges. Right,

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what did the lawmakers mean at the time when they

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wrote the law, and that's what he's referring to. The

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administration would be better off abandoning the AEA, says McCarthy,

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and then deporting TDA members based on the State Department's

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designation of TDA as a terrorist organization. That's the way

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to do it. These guys are TDA. TDA is a

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terrorist organization. You gotta go. The administration would still have

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to afford due process, but you could expedite the proceedings.

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See once again, Congress is the problem here, right. Congress

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can allocate money and build up immigration courts to clear

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out the backlog. The problem with immigration enforcement is not

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that federal law is too burdensome for the government. It

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is that the government went way too long failing to

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enforce the law, and Congress has not provided sufficient resources

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to deal with the backlaw, and now we have crisis levels.

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That's the problem. They need to dedicate resources to build

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up an expedited system and clear the backlog as quickly

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In an interview on Fox News, Vice President jd Vance

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said that the administration will be quote aggressively appealing this

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ruling out of Texas by US District Court Judge Fernando

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Rodriguez Junior, as well as other rulings that limit the

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president's deportation powers. He said, quote the judge doesn't make

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that determination whether the Alien Enemies Act can be deployed.

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I think the President of the United States is the

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one who determines whether this country is being invaded. That's

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a fair point, too, right. He's obviously going to be

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privy to information that we are not and the judge

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is not. The proclamation triggered a flurry of litigation as

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the administration tried to ship migrants it claimed were gang

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members to a notorious prison in l Salvador. Of course,

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Rodriguez' ruling is significant because it is the first formal,

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permanent injunction against the administration using the AEA and contends

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the President is misusing the law. This is a piece

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over at the Associated Press, The judge wrote, quote, the

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proclamation that Trump issued makes no reference to and in

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no manner suggests that a threat exists of an organized,

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armed group of individuals entering the United States at the

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direction of Venezuela to conquer the country or assume control

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over a portion of the nation. Well except apartment complexes, right,

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I mean, there is that that slight ten t we

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needs a little matter of the of the taking over

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of an apartment complex. Right. But then again, if they didn't,

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you know, go after the chaz Chop when they secede

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it basically from America, and they claimed some area of

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Seattle to be their own, in Portland to be their own,

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then if they can do it, why can't TDA Rodriguez said, quote. Thus,

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the proclamations language cannot be read as describing conduct that

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falls within the meaning of the word invasion for purposes

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of the AEA. So what happens well. JD. Vance says

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they're going to appeal. That means it would go to

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the New Orleans based Fifth US Circuit Court of Appeals.

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That is among the most conservative appeals courts in America,

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and it has also ruled against what it saw as

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an overreach on immigration matters, both by the Obama administration

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and the Biden administration. In those cases, Democrats were trying

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to make it easier for immigrants to stay in the

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US just in case anybody was unclear as to what's

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going on here. Democrats effected an open borders policy. Democrats

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wanted there to be this massive, Oh, I can't call

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it an invasion, this influx of migrants into America.

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Speaker 2: I have.

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Speaker 1: Posited that it is in order to increase the head

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counts ahead of the twenty thirty census. They want more

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people in certain areas so they can maintain their numbers

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in the US House of Representatives, because those House seats

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are assigned based on population. And if you can bring

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a whole bunch of people in, who, by the way,

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can't vote legally, but you bring a bunch of people in,

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you do count them. And so when the census counts

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them all that keeps your numbers high, that allows Democrats

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to keep their seats. If I recall correctly, the analysis

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that was run from the twenty twenty census count was

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that there would have been a I want to say

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it was like a twenty seven seat majority for Republicans

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in the House had they not counted illegal aliens. That's

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the difference, and to me, that's why Democrats are employing

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this strategy. They don't care what it's doing to the country,

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what impact it has on the economy, or anything. All

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of those arguments a secondary the primary goal is power,

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is to maintain their power. Because remember with Democrats, it's

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never their message, it's always the messaging, right, So they

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don't they they just believe that their message is the

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correct one. Their policies are the correct ones. You just

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don't understand why they're the correct ones. So they have

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to They've got to keep their power somehow, just until

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they figure out the messaging. So you get convinced that

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the policies they're pushing are really for your benefit. You

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just don't understand that yet, Okay, you just you're just

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like a child. You don't get it. So they're going

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to I suspect they're going to appeal. It'll go to

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the Fifth Circuit, and the administration Trump administration, as it

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has in other cases, could turn to appellate courts. They

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could go all the way right to the Supreme Court

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with an emergency motion of some kind. Supreme Court has

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already weighed in once on the issue of deportations under

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this Act, and the Supreme Court held that migrants alleged

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to be gang members must be given reasonable time to

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contest their removal from the country. And the Court has

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not specified, though what length of time that actually is.

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They just said a reasonable amount of time. All right.

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This then will bring us to the pay to self

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deport proposal, which I kind of like. Here's a great idea.

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Russ who says, I am a believer in the idea

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that Democrats were pumping up their census numbers to maintain seats. However,

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there were also all the very red districts that were

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flooded with immigrants under Biden. I'm having a hard time

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squaring the two theories. I think that. I mean, I

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don't know if they were sent specifically to red areas.

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they were being sent to cities, and I think I

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think the point there is and I would have to

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see a list of all the cities where they were sent,

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but they were getting sent all over the place, right, So,

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to spread it around because you can't overload one city

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all at once. You got to give, you know, here's

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a couple hundred for you, a couple hundred for you,

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a couple hundred for you. You just kind of keep moving around.

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It may just be sort of a tactical strategy because

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you can't you can't just, you know, fly ten twenty

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thousand illegal aliens, you know, one after the other after

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the other, flight after flight into one city and then

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completely overwhelm the city in a matter of weeks, right,

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that would be too obvious. But if you do it

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with a bus load here, a plane ride there, and

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you spread it all around, and if you're sending them

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into the cities versus rural communities, where you know, you

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would be more cognizant of an overwhelming number of people

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coming in in a short period of time versus a city.

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But if they were getting sent to blue cities in

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red states, I think that squares with the strategy of

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juicing the census count. But I don't know, Like that's

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the thing we like, it's speculation because there isn't any

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other explanation that we can come up with that makes

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any kind of logical sense. I guess maybe you hate

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the country, right, like you hate America or something, and

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so that's why you're doing it. Because I don't know,

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I have like it's one of these things. This is

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one of these issues where fifteen years ago, ten years ago,

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not even when was Obama president through eight by two

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thousand and eight, twelve sixteen, Yeah, so not even ten

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years ago, Obama talked tough about the border. Hillary Clinton

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was talking tough about the border, Chuck Schumer was talking

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tough about the border, and then all of a sudden

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everything changes. Because demographics is destiny. There was also that

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part of the belief that if we bring in enough

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people from overseas, then they'll vote for democrats, especially if

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Democrats can can take control and give amnesty, you know,

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take control of the Senate, in the House and the presidency,

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and then they can then solidify their permanent majority with

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a mass amnesty and then that's the way they hold

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onto power forever. Like that's another strategy, sure, because like

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try to think through like why would you do these things?

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do these policies, and then you see the human cost

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to that, how do you how do you square that

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in your own head? How are you not racked with

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guilt that the system that you are running, that you

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have built, and the ignoring of certain laws in order

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to facilitate the mass migration across the border, and all

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of the all of the atrocities that occur to the

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people that are making that journey along the way, the

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brutality of it, right, the sexual assaults, the physical assaults,

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the kidnappings, the holding for ransom, the murders, Like why

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would you why would you defend that system? Why would

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you participate in that system? And like I struggle to

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find a reason. And the only thing I hear from

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like you know, people who aren't shot callers, these are

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just sort of run of the mill lefties, you know,

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in your neighborhood and whatever, and they, oh, you know,

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nobody is a criminal and nobody is illegal, or something

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like we should welcome the refugee like that kind of thing.

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But that's not like you have a program that you

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can use for this, and not everybody coming across is

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an actual asylum seeker. They're not fleeing violence, and they're

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not fleeing the kind of you know, atrocities that you

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normally associate with seeking asylum. It was it was a

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ruse the Biden administration. Alejandro Mayorcis, that's what he got

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impeached for was creating this ruse of the asylum program

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where everybody just got asylum, blanket asylum in contradiction to

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the law. He got an impeachment charge filed against him,

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and then the Senate, controlled by Democrats, never did anything

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with it. This is why people got so fed up,

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and this is why you're seeing. This is the backlash.

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This is the they're saying, get them all out, we're done.

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You can't open the gates and then expect people not

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to note. So this is an interesting approach, and I

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think that there's a fellow named Jeff Blair, and I

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think he's exactly right in the tactic that the Trump

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administration is utilizing here. So first, what is the trumpet

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announcement that the Department of Homeland Security, according to their

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press release, has announced a historic opportunity for illegal aliens

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to receive both financial and travel assistance to facilitate travel

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back to their home country through the CBP home app.

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It's right on your phone. You can apply to go

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home and will pay your way home. Any illegal alien

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who uses the CBP Home app to self deport voluntarily

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will receive a stipend of one thousand dollars paid after

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their return to their home country has been confirmed through

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the app. Self deportation, they say in the statement, is

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a dignified way to leave the US and will allow

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illegal aliens to avoid being encountered by US Immigration and

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Customs enforcement. Even with the cost of the stipend, it

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is projected that the use of this app will decrease

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the costs of a deportation by about seventy percent. Currently,

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the average cost to arrest, detain, and remove an illegal

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alien is about seventeen thousand dollars. This is what Biden

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Russ with a follow up to his earlier message that

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he says, I just reminded him that earlier. Today, he says,

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I saw a car with two stickers on it. One

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said in a democracy, no one is above the law,

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and the second one said, no human being is illegal. Nice.

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That's uh, no one's above the law, nobody is illegal.

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Good lord. All right, let's head over to the phones

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and talk with Pete. Hello, Pete, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks, Pete. Yes, sir, I think this Home Act

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is probably brilliant in a lot of different ways. I mean,

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you avoid the courts, right, you get the people to

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self deport. But the other thing is you may get

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the same people smuggled into the country for money, smuggling

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them not even smuggling them out, just get them out

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at one thousand dollars ahead plus plus transportation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, if you can get the people to

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make the decision on their own, that it alleviates some

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of the burden. I don't know how much. I don't

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know how many people are going to do it, but

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it would alleviate some of the burden at a lower cost.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, much lower. But the other thing too, is on

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the larger point, Pete, no matter what do you think

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about Trump? This administration is loaded with billionaires, and you know,

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billionaires don't get to be billionaires by not being real bright, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, generally. Yes, yeah, so.

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Speaker 2: This is this is innovative to me. I mean, you know,

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on the surface, you say, geez, you know, we don't

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want to got lee. You know, we're throwing more money

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at it. But like you say, it's pennies on the dollar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, compared to the running through the process, which they

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pegged that cost to arrest, detain and remove an illegal

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alien is over seventeen thousand dollars. So if you can, yeah,

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if you can you can pay the stipend then of

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one thousand dollars, then that's you're saving sixteen k per person.

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Speaker 2: Well but plus you got the course, right, Well that's.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what they're including the cost to arrest, detain,

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and remove. I think all three of those. I think

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that covers the whole process.

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Speaker 2: Well, the delay also, right, because he's said many times

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loved this has just begun the works.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, all the lawsuits and such absolutely so. Yeah,

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so if you get people that start making this decision

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to go back on their own, yeah, it saves you,

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It saves you from the litigation, and it saves you

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the money.

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Speaker 2: So plus, you got the cartel guys that don't you know,

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let's be honest, they got a financial incentive to round

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these folks up and get them out.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you're going to see it going. Well, no,

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you're not going to have You're not gonna have coyotes

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running them back across the border, because the whole point

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of the app is that you self identify. You come

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out and say I'm here illegally. I'm going to take

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your stipend and go home. And then it's like, okay,

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take care and that's it, and your slate's clean with us.

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And so you're going to voluntarily go back. You don't

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have to, you know, trek across the desert and do

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all of that. Again, you can get a plane ride,

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so it's much safer for you to go home.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, Yeah it is. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Pee appreciate the call man. According to the UH

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the press release from the Department of Homeland Security, this

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has already been done, so the first use of travel

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assistance has already proven successful. An illegal alien that the

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Biden administration allowed into our country utilized this program to

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get a ticket for a flight from Chicago back to Honduras.

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Additional tickets have already been booked for this week and

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next week. If you don't like, if you don't want

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to live in fear, you don't want to you know,

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be separated from your your family or friends or whatever.

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And some you know pt or some trauma PTSD, but

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some traumatic ice intervention. Like in fact, our own sheriff, Gary,

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not my fault, McFadden, he should be promoting this program.

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He should be. This would prevent more arrests outside of

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his jail, right, he's very upset about the arrests that

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I did in front of his jail the other day.

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And so here's a good way for you to cooperate, Gary,

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You can promote this program. The CBP home app Self

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deportation is the best, safest and most cost effective way

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to leave the United States to avoid arrest. So you

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get financial travel assistance and the stipend to return to

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your home country. It's the safest option for law enforcement

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for the illegal aliens. It's a savings to US taxpayers.

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But here's a great insight, Jeff Blair, he writes for

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a National Review, and he says, I actually think this

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is a fine idea and they should have it ready

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to go from the jump. Mitt Romney would have tried

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something like this too, in case you don't recall the

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self deportation remember that line and got him in all

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the trouble when he was running for president. This is

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incentivized self deportation with a chainmailed fist lurking behind it. See.

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And this is why I think this can work versus

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what Mitt Romney may have thought of or whatever his

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effort would have looked like. I don't know, because the

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idea here is that you've shown them this is what

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we are going to do. Right, We're going to implement

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this deportation policy. We're going to come pick you up.

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We're not going to make any distinction. You know, we're

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going after the people on our lists. And if you're

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in a courthouse now, we don't care. We're coming in

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a school, We're coming in right. And that is the

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that's the stick, and here's the carrot. But if you

477
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had offered it at the same time, just from a

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strategy standpoint, right, people probably wouldn't believe that the deportations

479
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would happen. Right, So you first, your first wave is deportations,

480
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lots of you know, lots of operations. You want word

481
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to go out. Government's cracking down. They're coming to get

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the you know, the criminals, the violent offenders, and they're

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going to work their way through the whole list and

484
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all of that. And then as people recognize, oh my gosh,

485
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and you see the stories, everybody's in a state of

486
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fear and panic. Okay, here's your way home. I will

487
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pay for you to go home. Now, take this generous

488
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offer now, or you could end up down in Louisiana

489
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or maybe you end up in the notorious prison in

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El Salvador. Right, we've already shown you what we're this

491
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is our plan, this is what we're going to do,

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and at some point we're going to come across you.

493
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Our paths will cross, and when they do, you know

494
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what's coming. So you can now take this offer and

495
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avoid the stick. I don't know if this was their

496
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intent from the very beginning, but if it was, it's

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a pretty good strategy I think, and it can help

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reduce the numbers much more rapidly than if everybody has

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to go through the process. All right, that'll do it.

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while I'm gone.