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Speaker 1: The boys in their short shorts. My days and short
Speaker 1: shorts are probably behind me, but no, they're definitely. So
Speaker 1: we have a pod Porio topic today, a bunch of
Speaker 1: things that we're going to check in on. Some of
Speaker 1: them are a little old because they're not that old,
Speaker 1: but they're not up to the minute. Let's just say
Speaker 1: our podcasting schedule got interrupted a couple of times because
Speaker 1: May has the Metcala and the cam Film Festival, and
Speaker 1: that just eats up a lot of our time, and
Speaker 1: to be honest, I wasn't sure we were going to
Speaker 1: get one done this week, but I pushed through. I said, bitch,
Speaker 1: we're going to do it. We're going to talk about it.
Speaker 1: He comes to my dick imline, but this is exactly
Speaker 1: what I're I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm like hiding in my room. And he comes
Speaker 2: to go, like, we're doing a podcast that is not
Speaker 2: true at all.
Speaker 1: Now I'm just joking, but I love this image that
Speaker 1: you sell.
Speaker 3: I know, hiding under the bed from me, Tom, I know, tinyrand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, trust me people you trust anyway. Anyway, so we
Speaker 1: have a bunch of topics talk about, one of which
Speaker 1: is the Odyssey trailer. This is what I mean about
Speaker 1: things not being completely up to the minute, because that's
Speaker 1: dropped like two weeks ago and immediately turned into a thing.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan's Odyssey trailer stars dot A cast and Hathaway,
Speaker 1: Tom Holland, uh Zunday, Robert Pattinson, Matt Damon. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: did sell.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, keep up with my list anyway, and uh,
Speaker 2: of course Lupede and yougo as the letwoy Jerry Helen
Speaker 2: of Troy perfect choice in my opinion, of.
Speaker 1: Course, but I guess we can. One of the things
Speaker 1: we can unpack here is did Christopher Nolan the director? Uh,
Speaker 1: he had to have known there would be backlash against
Speaker 1: the choice of Lupita. And I wonder if I hate
Speaker 1: to say that, because that sounds I don't know a
Speaker 1: little bit more I don't. I don't know if I could.
Speaker 1: I don't know that Lupita would agree to that.
Speaker 2: All right, well, find we did, But what about the
Speaker 2: American extent?
Speaker 1: Well, no, no, I do want to talk about the
Speaker 1: Lupita thing. This is what I'm trying to unpack, which
Speaker 1: is Christopher Nolan had to know that casting a black
Speaker 1: woman as one of the most legendarily beautiful women of
Speaker 1: ancient Greek mythology, the most legendarily beautiful woman of Greek mythology,
Speaker 1: we don't know. Well, that's what I mean. There is mythology,
Speaker 1: there's no ob history. And uh, yeah, So he had
Speaker 1: to know in the times that we live in, with
Speaker 1: the kind of chuds that we have to deal with
Speaker 1: all day, every day, and the rise of racism and
Speaker 1: misogyny and all the other crap we're dealing with, he
Speaker 1: had to have known, and I feel like Lupita had
Speaker 1: to have known that this casting was going to be
Speaker 1: met with outcry right now, as as is the case
Speaker 1: with these sorts of uh, you know, I can't even
Speaker 1: Traditionally these are called color blind castings, where you know,
Speaker 1: you cast someone that doesn't matter what race they are,
Speaker 1: because etcetera. Helena Troy is not a real figure. She's
Speaker 1: not a real person. She was never a real person.
Speaker 1: So it's a story, it's a mythology. And in that instance,
Speaker 1: you I obviously I have not read the original, you know, odesty,
Speaker 1: I have not read it in the original language, so
Speaker 1: I don't know how she's described. Is she described as
Speaker 1: having white skin and blonde hair? I kind of doubt it.
Speaker 1: These were not the beauty ideals of the Bronze Age.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's done anything to violate the text
Speaker 1: by having her, by casting her.
Speaker 2: I think it's very different if you if you have
Speaker 2: a movie, like I've mentioned to you, like in a
Speaker 2: small island in Scotland or or Ireland, and you have
Speaker 2: people with an American accent, you know that lapte. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I'm talking about or Asian people, you know, in
Speaker 2: a small Island in Scotland. I mean, I sometimes you
Speaker 2: have to stick to a certain you know, right, I
Speaker 2: don't know type, but in this case, I mean, you
Speaker 2: could go in anything.
Speaker 1: And really what this comes down to, and let's just
Speaker 1: unpack that. The of course, the outcry against her casting
Speaker 1: is coming from a lot of right wing people, a
Speaker 1: lot of Manisphere people, and a lot of this is
Speaker 1: being led by the man himself, Elon Musk on Twitter.
Speaker 1: He really led the charge about this being like white
Speaker 1: erasure or whatever.
Speaker 2: He has the microphone.
Speaker 1: But the thing here is, I'm not suggesting that there's
Speaker 1: anything about this that isn't her horrifying racism, but I
Speaker 1: do think, I do think this gets to the idea
Speaker 1: of who gets to claim the mantle of beautiful in
Speaker 1: our culture, and this is one of the most glaring
Speaker 1: example who was allowed to be called beautiful and who isn't.
Speaker 1: Lupitao is un mistakably beautiful Fortunes and anybody who tries
Speaker 1: to argue otherwise is clearly arguing from a very white centric,
Speaker 1: racist perspective. What are your thoughts about beauty about race?
Speaker 2: It's always been that way, I mean always, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: it's the skinny white blonde person wins always. So I
Speaker 2: when they cast her, I was like, all right, this
Speaker 2: is gonna be you know, trouble for people are going
Speaker 2: to talk about it.
Speaker 1: They had to have known. Yes, I have to believe
Speaker 1: that Nolan and Lupedin understood what was called.
Speaker 2: I mean, if she she's not dumb, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: she knows what she was about to face, you know,
Speaker 2: in terms of everything, So maybe that's what she wants.
Speaker 2: Star Wars for God's So. I mean, we've we've seen
Speaker 2: this a lot, especially with with comedy, not comedy movies
Speaker 2: like the there's big superhero movies, you know, we seebusters,
Speaker 2: and we see that a lot people are going after
Speaker 2: women in general.
Speaker 1: The people who are going after them are not watching
Speaker 1: small art films. The only thing they watch are Marvel movies.
Speaker 1: And you know exactly, and the Odyssey is right up.
Speaker 2: Has she made any statement I couldn't find.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that she has. If she's well, I
Speaker 1: don't think she's not to me to say how she
Speaker 1: should handle it, but I hope she she shouldn't.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think she should do anything. I hope
Speaker 2: she can survive this because you know, she'll be fine.
Speaker 2: She'll be fine, I hope so, because you need to Yeah,
Speaker 2: we in general, collective speaking, of course, we need to
Speaker 2: not accept that kind of thing. You know, I agree,
Speaker 2: we have to fight that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Now here's I'm gonna throw a lit match into this.
Speaker 1: Just something to think about. What if he had cast
Speaker 1: a light skinned black women with long, straight hair, you know, so,
Speaker 1: in other words, a black woman who embodied basically white
Speaker 1: beauty ideals, and there are plenty of actresses who are
Speaker 1: like that. Do you think there would have been this
Speaker 1: because the thing is Lupida is dark sor.
Speaker 2: I think I think I think it would matter. If
Speaker 2: if it wouldn't matter, they would go.
Speaker 1: I think it would be as bad.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I think they would go
Speaker 2: after anybody who wasn't white.
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Don't get me wrong. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that. I mean, I'm not suggesting that, you know,
Speaker 1: Lupita isn't pretty enough or whatever.
Speaker 2: I think they were expecting them to cast like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, some Moneia Taylor Joy or whatever. You know,
Speaker 2: someone that, someone like that, someone like that and hadway,
Speaker 2: you know, somebody like that, and it doesn't matter if
Speaker 2: you with Asian Latin black, they would go after what.
Speaker 1: The other thing that came out with this trail or
Speaker 1: was this Everyone going was very much up in arms
Speaker 1: over the fact that there was not a consistent accent
Speaker 1: across the board for these characters, and that not only
Speaker 1: did Nolan not force the Americans to speak in a
Speaker 1: British accent, which is essentially how all films set in
Speaker 1: the ancient world have been shot. English language films set
Speaker 1: in the ancient world always give the characters British accent.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's time to change it.
Speaker 1: Well, he not only didn't ask the Americans to do it,
Speaker 1: but he had Robert Pattinson speaking in an American accent and.
Speaker 2: Tom Holland I believe so, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think anybody has a British accent. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure I have to go back on life.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen versions that they all they do,
Speaker 2: you know, pick you to Vicheo accent. It doesn't matter
Speaker 2: in some movies, you know, I've watched movies where they
Speaker 2: have like British accent.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the Star Wars films are kind of
Speaker 1: famously it is that all the Empire people have British
Speaker 1: accents and most of the people the rebels have American accents,
Speaker 1: and that actually made a lot of sense and it
Speaker 1: actually worked. Game of Thrones, there was a collect everybody
Speaker 1: had an accent from the British or Scotland or Wales.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: There were no Americans in that in the casting, and
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone had an Australian accent or anything
Speaker 1: like that. But there were a range of accents in that.
Speaker 1: I remember it was a bit and I didn't pick
Speaker 1: up on this, and I laughed my ass off when
Speaker 1: I faked when I realized what they had done. The
Speaker 1: Rings of Power, the Token adaptation where all everybody else,
Speaker 1: I think everybody else in it has a you know,
Speaker 1: English received pronunciation accent. And all of the Hobbits, which
Speaker 1: I should explain if you haven't seen the show, this
Speaker 1: is thousands of years before the Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 1: So the Hobbits are basically like these rural gypsy I
Speaker 1: shouldn't use the term gypsy, but you know wanderers who
Speaker 1: there's like sticks in their hair and they're you know,
Speaker 1: they're pre writing and all that there there, it's a
Speaker 1: pretty low version of the Hobbits, and they all have
Speaker 1: and I didn't even catch it until all these bodies
Speaker 1: in Ireland were like what the people with sticks in
Speaker 1: their hair, I know, the ones that have Irish accents.
Speaker 2: I think, I think this is a great you know,
Speaker 2: I think that's a great decision to make them always
Speaker 2: speak uh, I don't know, speak with an American accent,
Speaker 2: because that that I.
Speaker 1: Think if you break that tradition, to break that tradition.
Speaker 2: And by doing that, maybe you raking the tradition that
Speaker 2: also that these people have to be white, you know
Speaker 2: that's true.
Speaker 1: Are feeding into that hole.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's that's great.
Speaker 1: You're centric.
Speaker 2: I have a problem when he when he sucks up
Speaker 2: through the story like Lady Gago with with it speaking
Speaker 2: English with an Italian next, and what the fuck is that? About?
Speaker 1: The only thing I'll say? I mean, she was an
Speaker 1: Italian character, and I guess you have to assume that
Speaker 1: that character is actually speaking English and all of those scenes,
Speaker 1: why would she be? I don't know.
Speaker 2: This is this is so old fashioned and and pathetic.
Speaker 2: You see that with interpreters, like when you listen to
Speaker 2: the radio and they.
Speaker 1: And they get an interpreter, we get interpreted.
Speaker 2: With an accent. So that okay, Well then then it's fine,
Speaker 2: it's okay, it's legit here because the interpreter has an excent.
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, that is so.
Speaker 1: Stories from that is very small mind. People who had
Speaker 1: to do you know, interpret for like local news stories,
Speaker 1: like they had to interpret what someone was saying on
Speaker 1: camera and they were basically advised to like beef up
Speaker 1: their accent. People will believe it more. Yes, exactly, if
Speaker 1: it's someone with my accent translating someone speaking Spanish, there
Speaker 1: is a portion of the audience that are going to
Speaker 1: be like, does that guy even know what he's talking about?
Speaker 2: This is pathetic, so small minded. So someone cannot have
Speaker 2: to you know, speak more than the language.
Speaker 1: Connected to that is Pattinson has the line and the
Speaker 1: thing about missing your daddy and he uses the word
Speaker 1: daddy there quick to me again, this goes to the
Speaker 1: same point if you want living, breathing characters. You know,
Speaker 1: of course, I don't know what the ancient Greek word
Speaker 1: would have been, but the point that because they were like, well,
Speaker 1: he could have said father, but then you would not
Speaker 1: have gotten the point across that he is making fun
Speaker 1: of him, that he is putting him down for being
Speaker 1: a baby, for being childish, for pining after a parent.
Speaker 1: Father would have not had that tone. Daddy has that tone.
Speaker 2: I think as long as it is consistent. I don't
Speaker 2: have a problem with, you know, contemporary sounding.
Speaker 1: I don't think slang is a good idea, Like I
Speaker 1: really don't too far you. I don't think slang is
Speaker 1: a good idea in a setting like that, But conversational
Speaker 1: twenty first century English, right, that actually makes the most
Speaker 1: sense for those characters.
Speaker 2: American English English people come off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just dumb. Yeah, all right, have we beaten
Speaker 1: that one to death? Yes, all right, let's take a
Speaker 1: short break and then we'll come back and Lorenzo has
Speaker 1: some TikTok stuff. We'll be right back. We're back, and
Speaker 1: Lorenzo is going to tell us what's going on in
Speaker 1: the world of TikTok this week.
Speaker 2: Anyway. Two topics that I think are interesting. The first
Speaker 2: one is that apparently Candell Jenner is dating Jacob Elordi, and.
Speaker 1: I think nobody in that family dates anyone who isn't
Speaker 1: super famous.
Speaker 2: Apparently she signed another another Kardashian sign, another contract with
Speaker 2: a famous actor or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know how they pull all the guys fight.
Speaker 2: It interesting. The thing is that I you know, I
Speaker 2: used to blame them more than I blame them, but
Speaker 2: I think they're just fame whrror as much the guys.
Speaker 1: You guys, Yes, I think so.
Speaker 2: Like we saw that happening with Tim Michella May and
Speaker 2: I think Jacob earlrd is the same thing. I mean,
Speaker 2: I watch a lot of TikTok videos and the reason
Speaker 2: why I like to watch them is because you actually
Speaker 2: see them in action talk and giving interviews, and you know,
Speaker 2: it's better than just read what they said because you
Speaker 2: can sort of react to how they react to the questions.
Speaker 2: And lately I've seen that Jacob Elordi is getting more
Speaker 2: and more full of himself, you know, as he.
Speaker 1: Gets nothing at Kardashian. Woman loves more than a man
Speaker 1: who's full of them as he gets wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just find it interesting that the most the
Speaker 2: most hyped up rising actors of the moment, you know, Timo,
Speaker 2: Tay and Jacob, the most overrated actors at the moment,
Speaker 2: are dating Kardashian. I just find that funny. And then
Speaker 2: everyone is talking about how gorgeous here together and the
Speaker 2: power couple blah blah blah, and I you know, I
Speaker 2: just find it funny that that can't you date somebody
Speaker 2: else talking about the Kardisian And these guys are clearly
Speaker 2: looking because if you go and you know, the the
Speaker 2: top twenty five TikTok with the biggest account on Instagram,
Speaker 2: the top twenty five, all the Kardashians are on the list,
Speaker 2: all of them, right except the mother, but all the
Speaker 2: ladies are there. So these people have a huge folly.
Speaker 2: And I can't not think, I mean that these guys
Speaker 2: are going after that, they're going up, you know, because
Speaker 2: they get photographed a lot, they get talked about a lot.
Speaker 2: I think think they're going for that. I mean, fine,
Speaker 2: they're they're they're beautiful women, so yes, they're dating beautiful
Speaker 2: women women. But at the same time, I think it
Speaker 2: it's it's a little more than just dating someone. I
Speaker 2: think there's a whole package.
Speaker 1: If you're dating a member of that family, there's got
Speaker 1: to be some strategic, uh thinking involved in it. I mean,
Speaker 1: the timidity thing has been going on for a while.
Speaker 1: These are real relationships. I don't think that these are
Speaker 1: things that they're faking for the camera.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get yeah, I don't know, you don't I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think someone like Timothy shalame and for that matter,
Speaker 1: Jacob Elordi, both of whom who have been Oscar nominee,
Speaker 1: I don't think they need to enter into fake romances
Speaker 1: for the cameras. I really don't think they. I think
Speaker 1: they're young guys. These are hot young girls. They're they're
Speaker 1: all famous. They all like being famous, they all like
Speaker 1: being And I don't know about Jacob Elordi, but Timothy
Speaker 1: Shalomey loves being famous. Oh yeah, loves being photo, loves
Speaker 1: being the center of attention. So similarly, like with Kim
Speaker 1: going all the way back to Kanye, she she broked
Speaker 1: a man who wanted that level of attention.
Speaker 2: Because she also wanted acceptance, and he was accepted.
Speaker 1: And there is also a level of from the man's perspective,
Speaker 1: I bagged a Kardashian. Oh yeah, there's very much.
Speaker 2: Bags like the new version of like I'm dating a
Speaker 2: model basically yeah, well he is dating a model.
Speaker 1: So yeah, whatever. I don't I mean, I can't speak
Speaker 1: for first I just think it's the lord all that.
Speaker 1: But Timothy, that was a real thing. The thing is
Speaker 1: everyone said the Kanye thing was a fake thing. It
Speaker 1: was a real marriage. I had several kids together.
Speaker 2: I have to say, from my perspective watch watching all
Speaker 2: these videos and TikTok, I was shocked by Timo Tishella.
Speaker 2: When he started dating Kylie. I was not expected.
Speaker 1: People thought he was some like artsy New York intellectually
Speaker 1: more like all of them.
Speaker 2: But then when it you know, it's not confirmed, confirmed yet,
Speaker 2: but when they started talking about these two together Jacob
Speaker 2: and and and and Candle, I was like, ah, makes
Speaker 2: makes sense, it makes total sense.
Speaker 1: So what are they They're they're what's what's the TikTok angle?
Speaker 1: What are they saying?
Speaker 2: They're just just oh my god, run away from her,
Speaker 2: and and you can do better. You know, they always
Speaker 2: think they can do better. But no, these they are
Speaker 2: just as bad as they are in my opinion.
Speaker 1: They they're very famous, very wealthy women, and it's perfectly
Speaker 1: understandable why. And they're hot. I'm not gonna they're they're
Speaker 1: they're young, hot, and they're all hot, and yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's they're going to attract. And they almost all exclusively
Speaker 1: date celebrity men and not just celebrity men, but very
Speaker 1: famous celebrity men. They do not do B list story, no.
Speaker 2: No, no, But because they can do it, you know,
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, it's it's sort of like, you know,
Speaker 2: it pleases and and everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: And anyway, the second one is that uh, Harry Styles,
Speaker 2: they're all mad at him his fans. The thing but
Speaker 2: Harrick Start's very funny is that he has the same
Speaker 2: fan base, like huge enormous fan base like Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of the same reacting when reaction when
Speaker 2: you read about him and the comments. He's out promoting
Speaker 2: his new album I Believe, and then he's doing a show.
Speaker 2: He's doing his tour of the Together Together, which is
Speaker 2: ironic the title Together Together, because you can't barely see
Speaker 2: the guy on stage. But they started because the tickets
Speaker 2: were too expensive. They were all complaining that his tickets
Speaker 2: were way crazy expensive, and then they went to the show.
Speaker 2: He started his tour in Amsterdam, I believe, and they
Speaker 2: can't see anything. People bought VIP tickets paid I believe,
Speaker 2: like three fifty euros, which is insane for a ticket.
Speaker 2: I don't know how these people can afford it. But anyway.
Speaker 2: So if you go and look at the pictures, it's
Speaker 2: a huge stadium and also a huge like uh stage
Speaker 2: that he literally runs like a marathon because it's so big.
Speaker 2: And people were complaining that they bought the VIP floor
Speaker 2: tickets and they could see him, they couldn't see him.
Speaker 2: They you know, they didn't even know where he was.
Speaker 2: They had to look up the screen and to see
Speaker 2: where he was running, and I think and so everyone
Speaker 2: was complaining. But the complaint got so bad that that
Speaker 2: they they actually, you know, his PR team had to
Speaker 2: put a statement out there and say that they're changing
Speaker 2: the format because it's really really bad. If you look
Speaker 2: at the stage, uh, some parts has like bridges and
Speaker 2: he like, so I'm urging you to go online and look,
Speaker 2: that's why the tickets are so fucking so huge that
Speaker 2: all you see is a little dot running you can't
Speaker 2: even you don't even know who that is. And the
Speaker 2: thing is that people were saying, it's not like Taylor
Speaker 2: Swift Swift that she had all these people, like, I know,
Speaker 2: fifty sixty people on stage dancing and singing with her.
Speaker 2: He's pretty much most of the time by himself. He
Speaker 2: does have a few people every now and then, but
Speaker 2: most of the time he's just alone with a microphone
Speaker 2: and the side of the stage is insane with bridges
Speaker 2: that he goes up and down and he runs around.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I think these things are getting crazy. I mean,
Speaker 2: Beyonce is another one with cars and airplanes or whatever
Speaker 2: the hell you know on stage with her. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that you should go back to just
Speaker 2: you know, the single with a microphone on stage, because
Speaker 2: you can't do that because you keep selling tickets and
Speaker 2: there we're talking about thousands and thousands of tickets here,
Speaker 2: so you have to show these people something.
Speaker 1: Right, you know, you have to have some sort of
Speaker 1: spectacle to justify.
Speaker 2: To justify the size of the stage number one, and
Speaker 2: the front of the tickets and everything. So I just
Speaker 2: thought it was interesting, and he keeps seeing that more
Speaker 2: and more and more. And when you have someone doing
Speaker 2: so successfully like Taylor Swift, then you know everybody wants
Speaker 2: to do the same, but you know they don't. I mean,
Speaker 2: you have to do it in a way that can
Speaker 2: justify three hundred and fifty years a ticket. I mean,
Speaker 2: I've seen videos people at the VIP section paying three
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty years. You can't see a thing. You
Speaker 2: couldn't see him. You could not see him anyway. So
Speaker 2: that's what they're angry about his fans, particularly because you
Speaker 2: you know, fans always defend these people. But no, they're
Speaker 2: they're mad too. So we'll see. I'm curious to see
Speaker 2: what they're going to do about the stage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have no thoughts because I have I know,
Speaker 1: I have not been to a stadium concert in a
Speaker 1: very long time. But yeah, I see puttie from these
Speaker 1: concerts and I'm like, what what I mean, why would
Speaker 1: you pay? Like, just go watch it at home, watch
Speaker 1: the video at home.
Speaker 2: I've seen people with the fans, obviously defanning them, saying
Speaker 2: that were we there to have a good time? Whither
Speaker 2: we are friends? I was like, all right, just stay
Speaker 2: home and put on put on the record, you know,
Speaker 2: put on the you know the track, and dance at
Speaker 2: home with your friends. But anyway, I don't know, but
Speaker 2: I guess you want to be there. You want to
Speaker 2: pay three hundred and fifty years, Well power to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I think it's too quick to go
Speaker 1: to a break, So before we do that, I do
Speaker 1: want to just give a quick shout out to uh,
Speaker 1: it's Colbert's last night, I know, and it's been a
Speaker 1: sad thing watching him go. I think I understand why
Speaker 1: this sendoff is so elaborate. All of his celebrity friends
Speaker 1: are coming out and making a big deal in all
Speaker 1: of this other stuff, and also because he is, in
Speaker 1: the minds of so many, including myself, was unfairly fired
Speaker 1: from his job for political reasons, so that's why everyone's
Speaker 1: coming out. But I do think we're I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a good thing it's ending, because it's it's gotten to
Speaker 1: the point of a little bit of overkill, like people
Speaker 1: coming out and just singing these cheerful goodbyes to him
Speaker 1: and everything. And you know, it's not Johnny Carson after
Speaker 1: thirty years, you know what I mean, It's not. It's
Speaker 1: not that level of even I like Colbert, I do,
Speaker 1: and his leaving is tragic and politically it's infuriating, but
Speaker 1: he was never a cultural institution the way that and
Speaker 1: that's the way everyone's acting right now. It's like, I
Speaker 1: get it, they want to give him a big send off,
Speaker 1: but he was one of four hosts in a very
Speaker 1: dwindling late night market and many people think he was
Speaker 1: the best. It's not really for me to say because
Speaker 1: I don't watch Late Night all that much, but I think.
Speaker 2: I think it's how it was, why it was done,
Speaker 2: you know why he right.
Speaker 1: I do think it's getting a little on the obnoxiy
Speaker 1: right side.
Speaker 2: And I and I appreciate people coming out and say something,
Speaker 2: making a statement because when you do as a celebrity
Speaker 2: of someone famous, and it once again it's out there
Speaker 2: for people to be reminded why he was fired. At
Speaker 2: the same time, the man has been doing this for
Speaker 2: what twenty years.
Speaker 1: I believe, right, not even mean on CBS now like
Speaker 1: the two Colbert Report, any right of that.
Speaker 2: He's a zillionaire. He has more money than he'll be
Speaker 2: so he'll be fine, and he's probably gonna start his
Speaker 2: own YouTube zone now.
Speaker 1: I think he has a bunch of different things lined up, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like Pulbert. I'm not suggesting he doesn't deserve his accolades,
Speaker 1: but I do think the sort of weepy, overwrought goodbyes
Speaker 1: are starting to get to be a bit much, that's all.
Speaker 1: And it's it's time to it's time to go. It's
Speaker 1: just time to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand why it's done, I understand, and as
Speaker 2: I said, because people just pay attention when he's out
Speaker 2: there right in front of them. So uh so if
Speaker 2: celebrities are doing that, I think it's always a reminder
Speaker 2: again and again and again why he was fired. And
Speaker 2: I think that point needs to be you know, uh,
Speaker 2: people need to need to be reminded why he was fired.
Speaker 1: I agree. All right, now we'll go to a break, yes,
Speaker 1: and we'll be right back to chat about a few
Speaker 1: more things than our pod pory. We're back, and now
Speaker 1: we're going to check in on the little scandal, the
Speaker 1: little Disney scandal surrounding the Mandalorian.
Speaker 2: I mentioned that on the Less podcast about you know,
Speaker 2: fan things now go ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's not a big story, but I think
Speaker 1: everyone kind of latched onto it because it's indicative of
Speaker 1: such a long trend in the Hollywood promotions. So the
Speaker 1: Mandalorian and Grogu, the Star Wars spin offs movie starring
Speaker 1: Pedro Pescal has opened, and all indications are that it's
Speaker 1: going to be like the worst performing Star Wars movie. Really, yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: nobody wants this. The show has has just plummeted in quality.
Speaker 1: There was too much he has had not the best
Speaker 1: luck in his movie. I mean, I know, Fantastic Four
Speaker 1: did okay, but it didn't do Crazy okay. Oh that
Speaker 1: sucks for him, and this is probably not going to
Speaker 1: do well and possibly because of that reason. Disney stage
Speaker 1: this thing at Disneyland, as you know, it was for
Speaker 1: social media. Essentially, a bunch of people were going were
Speaker 1: in line to get on the Millennium Falcon Smugglers Run
Speaker 1: ride and someone came out in a Mandalorian costume and
Speaker 1: took off his helmet and it was Pedro Pascal and
Speaker 1: oh my god, pictures and crying and all this other stuff.
Speaker 1: And you know, it was billed as you know, Pedro
Speaker 1: Pascal Surprise as Star Wars fans. But everybody there was
Speaker 1: like an influencer of some form, some sort of Star
Speaker 1: Wars on the stage, of which there are a lot.
Speaker 2: That's what.
Speaker 1: There's money to be made there.
Speaker 2: I see that happening a lot on TikTok. I mean,
Speaker 2: all the influencers on TikTok get invited to the red carpet.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, the critics don't, but influencers do.
Speaker 2: The Devil Wears product, for example, had several mini mini
Speaker 2: fan events and it was all like, these people get invited, it's.
Speaker 1: Fine, but this sort of stage surprise thing they do
Speaker 1: this is what blew up. I'm sorry, guys, it's the same.
Speaker 2: Thing at celebrity showing up to somebody's wedding as a
Speaker 2: surprise thing. That to me that he's so selfish, selfish.
Speaker 1: Theday it was doing the wedding Chapel in Vegas and
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I mean, I'm sure people loved it,
Speaker 1: but I would be annoyed my wedding turned into a movie.
Speaker 2: I swip show up at my wedding. I would send
Speaker 2: her out, go thank you, Taylor, But no, no, it's
Speaker 2: my day, girl, not yours. So I kind of see
Speaker 2: the same thing here. I guess people would again there
Speaker 2: they rely on their I don't know, celebrity status.
Speaker 1: I guess it's oh, well, I'm going to need to
Speaker 1: show up this story. Here is the way critics, actual
Speaker 1: legitimate critics, are being forced out of these conversations, forced
Speaker 1: out of these commercial events. And you're bringing in people
Speaker 1: who by their nature will never say anything bad exactly
Speaker 1: because because they're influencers, because they're fans. Yes, and you know,
Speaker 1: I I'm an independent blogger, and I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people think that that's somehow akin to being an influencer,
Speaker 1: but it actually isn't. I am not selling proper. I'm
Speaker 1: selling my own work basically. I mean, I sell products too,
Speaker 1: but that's you know, you got to do that to
Speaker 1: make money.
Speaker 2: But I try to be careful because you know, we
Speaker 2: are bloggers, and there was a time when they invited
Speaker 2: bloggers to everything anything.
Speaker 1: But we took that shit seriously.
Speaker 2: Well that's us, and a lot of people did too.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can only speak for myself. At the
Speaker 2: time when we got invited, you got invited to something
Speaker 2: that you did, which means that we cover red carpet
Speaker 2: and a TV show, so we got invited to that. Nowadays,
Speaker 2: you just have to have a big number of followers.
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter what you do, you get invited to these things.
Speaker 2: I've seen people on TikTok. I'm not gonna name names.
Speaker 2: These people do something completely different. They live in a
Speaker 2: different country or whatever, and their TikTok account is all
Speaker 2: about traveling or Paris or whatever, and now they're getting
Speaker 2: invited to all these red carpet events because of the
Speaker 2: numbers they have. So that's the problem, and as you mentioned,
Speaker 2: it's a very smart move because none of these people
Speaker 2: are going to bed mouth anything.
Speaker 1: Now, that's the whole I idea. And I mean when
Speaker 1: we first started those blockers and we were invited to
Speaker 1: places I no one ever said you're not allowed to
Speaker 1: say anything bad, but it was kind of the understanding,
Speaker 1: like we're inviting you, so just be on your best behavior.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of why we don't really do events
Speaker 1: like that anymore, because the expectation is what we have
Speaker 1: to be nice or we'll never get invited back, and
Speaker 1: that's just death.
Speaker 2: For I don't care about that anymore.
Speaker 3: One of the.
Speaker 1: Reasons I firmly last year or the year before, I
Speaker 1: was at a social event with people that basically I
Speaker 1: most of whom I had not seen since I was
Speaker 1: a teenager. We were part of the same teenager crowd
Speaker 1: social event, and someone came up to me and said,
Speaker 1: I heard you're an influencer now, and I got bent
Speaker 1: the fuck out of shape and I was like, I
Speaker 1: am not. I am a writer. Here's the thing. Influencers
Speaker 1: are selling their influence. They're selling their ability to generate
Speaker 1: an audience and to tell them what to buy, what
Speaker 1: to think. Where to go, and that has now been
Speaker 1: That is the difference. And I remember sometimes like getting
Speaker 1: dismissive comments in our own comments section where people would
Speaker 1: refer to us as influencers, and when I came back
Speaker 1: and said we're not influencers, they would get all, excuse me.
Speaker 1: But there is a difference.
Speaker 2: There is a major difference, and I think it's a
Speaker 2: very misused word to begin with it.
Speaker 1: It is a misused one.
Speaker 2: I hate the term yeah, to be honest, because it's
Speaker 2: not about what you do, what you came up with
Speaker 2: as an idea for for what you for a channel,
Speaker 2: for for a TikTok channel or YouTube channel. No, it's
Speaker 2: it's just because you have the numbers, no matter what
Speaker 2: you do. Doesn't matter what you do, Yeah, you have
Speaker 2: the numbers, So we're gonna send you soap, and you're
Speaker 2: gonna talk about it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I mean the worst sorts of influencers are the ones
Speaker 1: that don't really have any principles or preferences. Although don't
Speaker 1: it's constantly for sale, yes, yes, but whatever. There are
Speaker 1: good influencers. It's not an evil position to be in.
Speaker 1: And I don't even think I would badmount these Star
Speaker 1: Wars fans. But I think it's shitty to do these
Speaker 1: posts like go ahead and just have a like you
Speaker 1: were talking about the fan events or Devilwarre's product. That
Speaker 1: doesn't bother me because they're literally labeled this fan event.
Speaker 1: I would go, of course, I come, but this sort
Speaker 1: of staged oh surprise. No, that's that's where you're getting into.
Speaker 1: And I think that was the backlash, Like you're getting
Speaker 1: into not being honest with your audience about what sort
Speaker 1: of promotional work you're doing.
Speaker 2: One thing, if you had showed up to real people there, right, attity.
Speaker 1: They've done that in the past. Yeah. I remember Chadwick
Speaker 1: Boseman showed up during Black Panther and he surprised a
Speaker 1: bunch of people, and I think it was on the
Speaker 1: Tonight Show at the time. They do these things. That's fine,
Speaker 1: but Orchestra tell me, yeah, you surprised a bunch of
Speaker 1: random fans when it's quite clear you surprised people who
Speaker 1: have probably a million followers on social media.
Speaker 2: Right, and they're gonna post videos about it, and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say, oh my god, I was whatever, and you
Speaker 2: know they're not honest about it, and they they yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just crazy. Again goes back to what I said,
Speaker 2: it's exhausting to watch or read anything today because you're like,
Speaker 2: it is Israel.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like always.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll tell you what if it's coming from Telo,
Speaker 1: it's real, it's real, it's real. It's our real opinions
Speaker 1: that we really typed out or wrote out or thought
Speaker 1: off ourselves. No, Ai, I know nothing. So you're always
Speaker 1: going to get the real ship with Tilo. That should
Speaker 1: be our tagline, the real Ship whenever we're whenever we
Speaker 1: travel uh to another country, I always we all love
Speaker 1: it was one of the things I will I love
Speaker 1: to do, like if we're in a city like Paris
Speaker 1: or Lisbon or something like that, is to just sort
Speaker 1: of wander off into an area where it's away from tourists.
Speaker 1: And we were. It was in Lisbon the first time
Speaker 1: I used the term, where we were in this alleyway
Speaker 1: going up very steep. We were going somewhere, but we
Speaker 1: have found ourselves off the beaten path. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: a rough neighborhood, but it was. It was a residential
Speaker 1: one and an urban one, so there was graffiti and
Speaker 1: there was laundry, hanging out the windows, and I kept
Speaker 1: taking all these pictures and I'm like, I know, I know,
Speaker 1: it's not tourist stuff, but this is the real ship.
Speaker 1: This is I love graffiti and other countries. And I
Speaker 1: bet you, I bet your wings of desires? Why I
Speaker 1: bet you. That's that's why I love it. Anyway, moving on,
Speaker 1: we actually have one one more topic. Okay, it's an
Speaker 1: easy one, and we're just going out the door with this.
Speaker 1: Who should be the next change?
Speaker 2: Well, they're finally auditioning people. I think that's what they say.
Speaker 1: But I'm not in love with any of the people
Speaker 1: on the list. I mean, they're fine, but I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: a bunch of like square jowed white guy.
Speaker 2: Well, I think, but didn't we have a conversation like that.
Speaker 2: Is there some specific language language about what the character
Speaker 2: needs to be? Is he supposed to be British white whatever?
Speaker 1: I believe? I mean, he does have to be British,
Speaker 1: uh huh. And he's described in the books. In fact,
Speaker 1: I think he's I think, no, I know he's described
Speaker 1: in the books because I know when Daniel Craig was cast,
Speaker 1: there was a big to do about him being blonde
Speaker 1: and that is not how described in the books.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: Aside from that, I think he's referred to as having
Speaker 1: dark hair. I think, given the times, he would not
Speaker 1: have been referred to as white, because the assumption is
Speaker 1: every character in a book is white until you tell
Speaker 1: them otherwise.
Speaker 2: I haven't no problemly if they picked someone who isn't white.
Speaker 1: I mean, given the racial makeup and the colonial history
Speaker 1: of Great Britain, I think it would be a really
Speaker 1: good idea to have someone like Henry Golding or Dev
Speaker 1: Patel or Riz Ahmed, any of those those men would
Speaker 1: make great bonds. I don't think you just cast when
Speaker 1: you talk about a diverse bond. To me, and I'm
Speaker 1: an American, I understand that. You know I'm speaking as
Speaker 1: an outsider. To me, it should be reflective of British history,
Speaker 1: British colonial history, and obviously that doesn't leave black actors
Speaker 1: out of the conversation. But I do think it would
Speaker 1: be more powerful to have, say a Pakistani actor or
Speaker 1: a Chinese actor. I'm not arguing against the black actor,
Speaker 1: but I never thought Idris Elbow was right for the part.
Speaker 1: They talked about him for years and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it has nothing to do with his race.
Speaker 1: That is, there are very swave looking black factors, right,
Speaker 1: that's not who Idriss is. He's sexy, he's powerful, he's aggressive.
Speaker 1: He just did not say Bond to me. He also
Speaker 1: was famously, at least among our set, he doesn't like
Speaker 1: to get dressed up. He's not a very right stylish man.
Speaker 1: And again it's like, wow, you I never thought he
Speaker 1: was right for the part.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I know. I don't think so, because, as
Speaker 2: you said, I think it has to be someone stylish,
Speaker 2: you know, with with.
Speaker 1: They're going for someone. They said they want an under thirty,
Speaker 1: which actually makes sense because they probably want him to
Speaker 1: do five movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my pigs are Aaron Taylor Johnson, Eron Taylor Johnson
Speaker 2: and Aaron Taylor.
Speaker 1: I And maybe I don't think he's got it either.
Speaker 2: I know he's getting old.
Speaker 1: I think he's he's getting a little old. Number one.
Speaker 1: He's got that sort of uh, I'm just gonna say
Speaker 1: he's got that sort of work, working class vibe to him.
Speaker 1: And I really don't think that's what they're looking for
Speaker 1: with Bond. You know, who I think would be great. Okay,
Speaker 1: So the names that are out there are like Callum
Speaker 1: Turner and he is the number one.
Speaker 3: He would be perfect, he'd be okay, yeah, right, he'd
Speaker 3: be like, come on, he's gorgeous, but he's okay looking,
Speaker 3: but I mean he is gorgeous, square John White guy,
Speaker 3: like all right, it's just not you know who I
Speaker 3: think of the name.
Speaker 1: And they're also talking Henry Cavill too big, what about
Speaker 1: Harris Dickenson? Very bland, very fucking bland. Josh O'Connor. Josh
Speaker 1: O'Connor would be my pick because he looks good and clothes,
Speaker 1: he's English, he's young enough, interesting, and he's sexy in
Speaker 1: an unconventional way. That's what I want. I think is
Speaker 1: I don't want a pretty Bond because we've had pretty bond.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say he's not pretty enough, but
Speaker 1: we've had like Daniel Craig was probably the prettiest Bond
Speaker 1: therever was, and maybe maybe next to Sean Connery. It's
Speaker 1: always been like elegant, very good looking men like you know,
Speaker 1: Pierce Brosnan, and you know, no, let's get someone in
Speaker 1: there who's got a little bit of roughness to him
Speaker 1: but still comes off interesting. Because I do think bond
Speaker 1: does have to be a little bit posh.
Speaker 2: I agree, And and Joshakon is very talented, he's a
Speaker 2: great actor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he would want to be I mean,
Speaker 1: they would have to offer him a shit ton of
Speaker 1: money because he's a rising star. Why would he lock himself.
Speaker 1: It's probably gonna be Callum Turner because he's not a
Speaker 1: big enough name.
Speaker 2: I know, but it changed your career, I mean your career.
Speaker 1: Daniel Craig wanted out of it after three movies. It's
Speaker 1: it's and he talked about that you can't eat. You
Speaker 1: literally cannot eat, like because you're either wrapping up a
Speaker 1: film or doing the promotional work for a film, or
Speaker 1: you're working on the next one. Why and he said
Speaker 1: he's like I starved for like ten years.
Speaker 2: I can't I can't see Joshua Kana doing that.
Speaker 1: No, naturally, think he wouldn't have to say no.
Speaker 2: But my point is that he doesn't care about things
Speaker 2: like that. I mean, I don't think he cared that
Speaker 2: much about his apperienced That's why Aaron Taylor Johnson could
Speaker 2: be the one, because he's too old at this point.
Speaker 2: I mean, I would have to check, but anyway.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying, according to what they're looking for,
Speaker 1: they are gonna want at least three films out of
Speaker 1: the next James Bond, probably five.
Speaker 2: He's uh thirty five, he's not too old now, and
Speaker 2: he's coacheous.
Speaker 1: He he's you No, I mean he's gorgeous. My number
Speaker 1: one is Josh O'Connor. My number two was Callum Turner
Speaker 1: only because he fits. He wouldn't make a bad James
Speaker 1: Pollen is gorgeous. I don't necessary. I don't think Aaron
Speaker 1: Taylor Johnson is right for it at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think Henry Calvill Callen is actually
Speaker 2: older thirty six.
Speaker 1: So Callum Turner's older. Wow, he looks younger.
Speaker 2: He looks younger. He's so pretty. He's very handsome with
Speaker 2: dal Leap and they look corgeously.
Speaker 1: They are a beautiful couple together anyway, So what are
Speaker 1: your picks?
Speaker 2: I say, Aaron Taylor Johnson.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, yeah, I think he's Kalen Turner here. He
Speaker 1: is so bland. You have he talk about you?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: The other one people were talking about Jacob ALORDI godknew
Speaker 1: number one number one. I really don't think he should
Speaker 1: be Australian like I just and I know George Lasmbee,
Speaker 1: who was an Australian actor played him for one role.
Speaker 2: He's not talented.
Speaker 1: I do think they should be English. Whoever plays Green
Speaker 1: should be English. That's me, but I'm not English, so whatever.
Speaker 1: I also think he's too tall. I think Jacob Elordi
Speaker 1: is literally too tall to be an action star because
Speaker 1: you have to shoot action sequences and he is going
Speaker 1: to be so much bigger than everybody that he's just
Speaker 1: going to dominate them, or that it makes shooting action
Speaker 1: sequences difficult because then you have to sort of obscure
Speaker 1: the fact that the lead actor is a foot taller
Speaker 1: than everybody else. No, he's not. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: a good No, he can't even sit in an aston
Speaker 1: Martin likes even get into those little Bond He's six five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not happening.
Speaker 2: He's too tall and he's not talented.
Speaker 1: So how I disagree?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Do we have anything else?
Speaker 2: No, that's sonxiety. I love the movies. In fact, Netflix
Speaker 2: had all the Bond movies. Yeah, the Netflix had all
Speaker 2: the old movies and I watched pretty much all of
Speaker 2: them again.
Speaker 1: And something you may not know about Lorenzo when this
Speaker 1: might surprise you. Number one is that he's a huge
Speaker 1: Bond fan and he's seen them all and Western. He's
Speaker 1: a huge John Wayne fan.
Speaker 2: Oh God, don't say this would be crazy.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, everyone's gonna John Way. It was a
Speaker 1: wonderful actor. Politics.
Speaker 2: Can we expand this a little more? I love Western's period.
Speaker 1: You thought John Wayne was hot when he was very young?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm gonna get in too much trouble now,
Speaker 2: trouble when he was young? Yes, I I thought he
Speaker 2: was gorgeous. And I'm a huge fan of Western. Love
Speaker 2: love them, love them. If they're playing on Netflix, I
Speaker 2: watch all of them. And yeah, he's he's he was
Speaker 2: great person, but he was queen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to defend it, all right. Well, anyway,
Speaker 1: that's it for this week. We will be back. Actually tomorrow,
Speaker 1: we're watching To Die For for the Ritter Kitten Movie Club,
Speaker 1: so we'll be back with a short pot on that,
Speaker 1: and then we'll be back next week after the holiday.
Speaker 1: So have a happy Memorial Day all. We'll be American kittens.
Speaker 1: We'll be back with whatever crosses are as across their desks.
Speaker 1: Until then, take care of yourselves, love you mean it,
Speaker 1: Bye bye bye