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Speaker 1: We're Tom Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion

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best Helegant is Welcome back to another edition of the

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Pso I am the team your Tello, Tom Fitzgerald, and

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I'm here with the low and your t love Lorenzo

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because my love husband day, are your lovely husband wonderful.

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Speaker 2: It's very very hot.

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Speaker 1: Which is nice, which is nice cold spring here in Philly,

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and we finally had a a heat wave. In fact,

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a friend of ours was up from Dallas and he

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could not get over how hot it was here.

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Speaker 2: It was so funny because I was like, you're from Dalla,

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what are you talking about? Anyway, I love it because

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you know, it's short, short season. We get we see

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the boys out there.

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Speaker 1: The boys in their short shorts. My days and short

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shorts are probably behind me, but no, they're definitely. So

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we have a pod Porio topic today, a bunch of

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things that we're going to check in on. Some of

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them are a little old because they're not that old,

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but they're not up to the minute. Let's just say

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our podcasting schedule got interrupted a couple of times because

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May has the Metcala and the cam Film Festival, and

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that just eats up a lot of our time, and

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to be honest, I wasn't sure we were going to

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get one done this week, but I pushed through. I said, bitch,

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we're going to do it. We're going to talk about it.

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He comes to my dick imline, but this is exactly

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what I're I'm.

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Speaker 2: Like, I'm like hiding in my room. And he comes

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to go, like, we're doing a podcast that is not

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true at all.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm just joking, but I love this image that

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you sell.

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Speaker 3: I know, hiding under the bed from me, Tom, I know, tinyrand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, trust me people you trust anyway. Anyway, so we

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have a bunch of topics talk about, one of which

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is the Odyssey trailer. This is what I mean about

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things not being completely up to the minute, because that's

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dropped like two weeks ago and immediately turned into a thing.

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan's Odyssey trailer stars dot A cast and Hathaway,

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Tom Holland, uh Zunday, Robert Pattinson, Matt Damon. Yeah, I

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did sell.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, keep up with my list anyway, and uh,

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of course Lupede and yougo as the letwoy Jerry Helen

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of Troy perfect choice in my opinion, of.

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Speaker 1: Course, but I guess we can. One of the things

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we can unpack here is did Christopher Nolan the director? Uh,

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he had to have known there would be backlash against

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the choice of Lupita. And I wonder if I hate

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to say that, because that sounds I don't know a

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little bit more I don't. I don't know if I could.

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I don't know that Lupita would agree to that.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, find we did, But what about the

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American extent?

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Speaker 1: Well, no, no, I do want to talk about the

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Lupita thing. This is what I'm trying to unpack, which

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is Christopher Nolan had to know that casting a black

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woman as one of the most legendarily beautiful women of

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ancient Greek mythology, the most legendarily beautiful woman of Greek mythology,

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we don't know. Well, that's what I mean. There is mythology,

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there's no ob history. And uh, yeah, So he had

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to know in the times that we live in, with

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the kind of chuds that we have to deal with

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all day, every day, and the rise of racism and

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misogyny and all the other crap we're dealing with, he

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had to have known, and I feel like Lupita had

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to have known that this casting was going to be

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met with outcry right now, as as is the case

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with these sorts of uh, you know, I can't even

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Traditionally these are called color blind castings, where you know,

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you cast someone that doesn't matter what race they are,

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because etcetera. Helena Troy is not a real figure. She's

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not a real person. She was never a real person.

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So it's a story, it's a mythology. And in that instance,

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you I obviously I have not read the original, you know, odesty,

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I have not read it in the original language, so

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I don't know how she's described. Is she described as

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having white skin and blonde hair? I kind of doubt it.

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These were not the beauty ideals of the Bronze Age.

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I don't think he's done anything to violate the text

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by having her, by casting her.

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Speaker 2: I think it's very different if you if you have

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a movie, like I've mentioned to you, like in a

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small island in Scotland or or Ireland, and you have

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people with an American accent, you know that lapte. Yeah,

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a small Island in Scotland. I mean, I sometimes you

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have to stick to a certain you know, right, I

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don't know type, but in this case, I mean, you

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Speaker 1: And really what this comes down to, and let's just

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unpack that. The of course, the outcry against her casting

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is coming from a lot of right wing people, a

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lot of Manisphere people, and a lot of this is

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being led by the man himself, Elon Musk on Twitter.

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He really led the charge about this being like white

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erasure or whatever.

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Speaker 2: He has the microphone.

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Speaker 1: But the thing here is, I'm not suggesting that there's

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anything about this that isn't her horrifying racism, but I

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do think, I do think this gets to the idea

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of who gets to claim the mantle of beautiful in

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our culture, and this is one of the most glaring

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example who was allowed to be called beautiful and who isn't.

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Lupitao is un mistakably beautiful Fortunes and anybody who tries

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to argue otherwise is clearly arguing from a very white centric,

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racist perspective. What are your thoughts about beauty about race?

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Speaker 2: It's always been that way, I mean always, uh, you know,

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it's the skinny white blonde person wins always. So I

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when they cast her, I was like, all right, this

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is gonna be you know, trouble for people are going

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to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: They had to have known. Yes, I have to believe

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that Nolan and Lupedin understood what was called.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if she she's not dumb, I mean, you know,

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she knows what she was about to face, you know,

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in terms of everything, So maybe that's what she wants.

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Star Wars for God's So. I mean, we've we've seen

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this a lot, especially with with comedy, not comedy movies

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like the there's big superhero movies, you know, we seebusters,

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and we see that a lot people are going after

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women in general.

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Speaker 1: The people who are going after them are not watching

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small art films. The only thing they watch are Marvel movies.

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And you know exactly, and the Odyssey is right up.

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Speaker 2: Has she made any statement I couldn't find.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that she has. If she's well, I

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don't think she's not to me to say how she

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should handle it, but I hope she she shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think she should do anything. I hope

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she can survive this because you know, she'll be fine.

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She'll be fine, I hope so, because you need to Yeah,

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we in general, collective speaking, of course, we need to

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not accept that kind of thing. You know, I agree,

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we have to fight that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: Now here's I'm gonna throw a lit match into this.

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Just something to think about. What if he had cast

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a light skinned black women with long, straight hair, you know, so,

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in other words, a black woman who embodied basically white

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beauty ideals, and there are plenty of actresses who are

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like that. Do you think there would have been this

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because the thing is Lupida is dark sor.

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Speaker 2: I think I think I think it would matter. If

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if it wouldn't matter, they would go.

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Speaker 1: I think it would be as bad.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I think they would go

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after anybody who wasn't white.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. Don't get me wrong. I'm not

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saying that. I mean, I'm not suggesting that, you know,

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Lupita isn't pretty enough or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I think they were expecting them to cast like, I

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don't know, some Moneia Taylor Joy or whatever. You know,

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someone that, someone like that, someone like that and hadway,

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you know, somebody like that, and it doesn't matter if

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you with Asian Latin black, they would go after what.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that came out with this trail or

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was this Everyone going was very much up in arms

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over the fact that there was not a consistent accent

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across the board for these characters, and that not only

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did Nolan not force the Americans to speak in a

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British accent, which is essentially how all films set in

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the ancient world have been shot. English language films set

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in the ancient world always give the characters British accent.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's time to change it.

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Speaker 1: Well, he not only didn't ask the Americans to do it,

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but he had Robert Pattinson speaking in an American accent and.

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Speaker 2: Tom Holland I believe so, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think anybody has a British accent. I'm

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not sure I have to go back on life.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen versions that they all they do,

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in some movies, you know, I've watched movies where they

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean the Star Wars films are kind of

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famously it is that all the Empire people have British

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accents and most of the people the rebels have American accents,

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and that actually made a lot of sense and it

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actually worked. Game of Thrones, there was a collect everybody

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: There were no Americans in that in the casting, and

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I remember it was a bit and I didn't pick

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up on this, and I laughed my ass off when

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Rings of Power, the Token adaptation where all everybody else,

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English received pronunciation accent. And all of the Hobbits, which

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So the Hobbits are basically like these rural gypsy I

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shouldn't use the term gypsy, but you know wanderers who

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there's like sticks in their hair and they're you know,

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they're pre writing and all that there there, it's a

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pretty low version of the Hobbits, and they all have

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in Ireland were like what the people with sticks in

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Speaker 2: I think, I think this is a great you know,

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I think that's a great decision to make them always

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speak uh, I don't know, speak with an American accent,

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Speaker 1: Think if you break that tradition, to break that tradition.

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Speaker 2: And by doing that, maybe you raking the tradition that

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also that these people have to be white, you know

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that's true.

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Speaker 1: Are feeding into that hole.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's that's great.

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Speaker 1: You're centric.

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Speaker 2: I have a problem when he when he sucks up

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through the story like Lady Gago with with it speaking

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English with an Italian next, and what the fuck is that? About?

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Speaker 1: The only thing I'll say? I mean, she was an

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Italian character, and I guess you have to assume that

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that character is actually speaking English and all of those scenes,

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why would she be? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: This is this is so old fashioned and and pathetic.

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You see that with interpreters, like when you listen to

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the radio and they.

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Speaker 1: And they get an interpreter, we get interpreted.

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Speaker 2: With an accent. So that okay, Well then then it's fine,

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it's okay, it's legit here because the interpreter has an excent.

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I mean, come on, that is so.

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Speaker 1: Stories from that is very small mind. People who had

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to do you know, interpret for like local news stories,

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like they had to interpret what someone was saying on

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camera and they were basically advised to like beef up

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their accent. People will believe it more. Yes, exactly, if

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it's someone with my accent translating someone speaking Spanish, there

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is a portion of the audience that are going to

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be like, does that guy even know what he's talking about?

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Speaker 2: This is pathetic, so small minded. So someone cannot have

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Speaker 1: Connected to that is Pattinson has the line and the

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thing about missing your daddy and he uses the word

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daddy there quick to me again, this goes to the

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same point if you want living, breathing characters. You know,

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of course, I don't know what the ancient Greek word

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would have been, but the point that because they were like, well,

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he could have said father, but then you would not

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have gotten the point across that he is making fun

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of him, that he is putting him down for being

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a baby, for being childish, for pining after a parent.

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have a problem with, you know, contemporary sounding.

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really don't too far you. I don't think slang is

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a good idea in a setting like that, But conversational

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twenty first century English, right, that actually makes the most

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sense for those characters.

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Speaker 2: American English English people come off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just dumb. Yeah, all right, have we beaten

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that one to death? Yes, all right, let's take a

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short break and then we'll come back and Lorenzo has

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some TikTok stuff. We'll be right back. We're back, and

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Lorenzo is going to tell us what's going on in

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Speaker 2: Anyway. Two topics that I think are interesting. The first

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one is that apparently Candell Jenner is dating Jacob Elordi, and.

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Speaker 1: I think nobody in that family dates anyone who isn't

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super famous.

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Speaker 2: Apparently she signed another another Kardashian sign, another contract with

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a famous actor or something. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how they pull all the guys fight.

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Speaker 2: It interesting. The thing is that I you know, I

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used to blame them more than I blame them, but

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I think they're just fame whrror as much the guys.

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Speaker 1: You guys, Yes, I think so.

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Speaker 2: Like we saw that happening with Tim Michella May and

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I watch a lot of TikTok videos and the reason

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why I like to watch them is because you actually

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see them in action talk and giving interviews, and you know,

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it's better than just read what they said because you

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can sort of react to how they react to the questions.

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and more full of himself, you know, as he.

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Speaker 1: Gets nothing at Kardashian. Woman loves more than a man

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who's full of them as he gets wrong.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just find it interesting that the most the

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most hyped up rising actors of the moment, you know, Timo,

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Tay and Jacob, the most overrated actors at the moment,

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are dating Kardashian. I just find that funny. And then

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everyone is talking about how gorgeous here together and the

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power couple blah blah blah, and I you know, I

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just find it funny that that can't you date somebody

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else talking about the Kardisian And these guys are clearly

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looking because if you go and you know, the the

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top twenty five TikTok with the biggest account on Instagram,

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the top twenty five, all the Kardashians are on the list,

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all of them, right except the mother, but all the

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ladies are there. So these people have a huge folly.

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are going after that, they're going up, you know, because

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they get photographed a lot, they get talked about a lot.

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I think think they're going for that. I mean, fine,

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they're they're they're beautiful women, so yes, they're dating beautiful

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women women. But at the same time, I think it

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it's it's a little more than just dating someone. I

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think there's a whole package.

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Speaker 1: If you're dating a member of that family, there's got

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to be some strategic, uh thinking involved in it. I mean,

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the timidity thing has been going on for a while.

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These are real relationships. I don't think that these are

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things that they're faking for the camera.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I get yeah, I don't know, you don't I

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don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think someone like Timothy shalame and for that matter,

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Jacob Elordi, both of whom who have been Oscar nominee,

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I don't think they need to enter into fake romances

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for the cameras. I really don't think they. I think

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they're young guys. These are hot young girls. They're they're

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all famous. They all like being famous, they all like

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being And I don't know about Jacob Elordi, but Timothy

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Shalomey loves being famous. Oh yeah, loves being photo, loves

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being the center of attention. So similarly, like with Kim

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going all the way back to Kanye, she she broked

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a man who wanted that level of attention.

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Speaker 2: Because she also wanted acceptance, and he was accepted.

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Speaker 1: And there is also a level of from the man's perspective,

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I bagged a Kardashian. Oh yeah, there's very much.

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Speaker 2: Bags like the new version of like I'm dating a

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model basically yeah, well he is dating a model.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, whatever. I don't I mean, I can't speak

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for first I just think it's the lord all that.

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everyone said the Kanye thing was a fake thing. It

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was a real marriage. I had several kids together.

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Speaker 2: I have to say, from my perspective watch watching all

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these videos and TikTok, I was shocked by Timo Tishella.

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When he started dating Kylie. I was not expected.

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Speaker 1: People thought he was some like artsy New York intellectually

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more like all of them.

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Speaker 2: But then when it you know, it's not confirmed, confirmed yet,

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but when they started talking about these two together Jacob

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and and and and Candle, I was like, ah, makes

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makes sense, it makes total sense.

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Speaker 1: So what are they They're they're what's what's the TikTok angle?

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Speaker 2: They're just just oh my god, run away from her,

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and and you can do better. You know, they always

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think they can do better. But no, these they are

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just as bad as they are in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: They they're very famous, very wealthy women, and it's perfectly

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understandable why. And they're hot. I'm not gonna they're they're

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they're young, hot, and they're all hot, and yeah, that's

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that's they're going to attract. And they almost all exclusively

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date celebrity men and not just celebrity men, but very

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famous celebrity men. They do not do B list story, no.

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Speaker 2: No, no, But because they can do it, you know,

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I think, yeah, it's it's sort of like, you know,

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it pleases and and everybody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 2: And anyway, the second one is that uh, Harry Styles,

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they're all mad at him his fans. The thing but

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fan base, like huge enormous fan base like Taylor Swift.

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you read about him and the comments. He's out promoting

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his new album I Believe, and then he's doing a show.

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He's doing his tour of the Together Together, which is

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ironic the title Together Together, because you can't barely see

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the guy on stage. But they started because the tickets

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were too expensive. They were all complaining that his tickets

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were way crazy expensive, and then they went to the show.

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can't see anything. People bought VIP tickets paid I believe,

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like three fifty euros, which is insane for a ticket.

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I don't know how these people can afford it. But anyway.

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a huge stadium and also a huge like uh stage

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that he literally runs like a marathon because it's so big.

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tickets and they could see him, they couldn't see him.

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where he was running, and I think and so everyone

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was complaining. But the complaint got so bad that that

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they they actually, you know, his PR team had to

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put a statement out there and say that they're changing

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the format because it's really really bad. If you look

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at the stage, uh, some parts has like bridges and

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he like, so I'm urging you to go online and look,

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that's why the tickets are so fucking so huge that

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all you see is a little dot running you can't

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even you don't even know who that is. And the

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thing is that people were saying, it's not like Taylor

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Swift Swift that she had all these people, like, I know,

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fifty sixty people on stage dancing and singing with her.

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does have a few people every now and then, but

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most of the time he's just alone with a microphone

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and the side of the stage is insane with bridges

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that he goes up and down and he runs around.

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Beyonce is another one with cars and airplanes or whatever

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the hell you know on stage with her. I don't know.

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I'm not saying that you should go back to just

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you know, the single with a microphone on stage, because

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you can't do that because you keep selling tickets and

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there we're talking about thousands and thousands of tickets here,

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so you have to show these people something.

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Speaker 1: Right, you know, you have to have some sort of

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spectacle to justify.

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Speaker 2: To justify the size of the stage number one, and

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the front of the tickets and everything. So I just

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thought it was interesting, and he keeps seeing that more

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and more and more. And when you have someone doing

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so successfully like Taylor Swift, then you know everybody wants

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to do the same, but you know they don't. I mean,

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you have to do it in a way that can

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justify three hundred and fifty years a ticket. I mean,

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I've seen videos people at the VIP section paying three

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hundred and fifty years. You can't see a thing. You

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couldn't see him. You could not see him anyway. So

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that's what they're angry about his fans, particularly because you

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you know, fans always defend these people. But no, they're

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they're mad too. So we'll see. I'm curious to see

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what they're going to do about the stage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have no thoughts because I have I know,

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I have not been to a stadium concert in a

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very long time. But yeah, I see puttie from these

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concerts and I'm like, what what I mean, why would

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you pay? Like, just go watch it at home, watch

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the video at home.

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Speaker 2: I've seen people with the fans, obviously defanning them, saying

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that were we there to have a good time? Whither

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we are friends? I was like, all right, just stay

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home and put on put on the record, you know,

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put on the you know the track, and dance at

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home with your friends. But anyway, I don't know, but

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I guess you want to be there. You want to

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pay three hundred and fifty years, Well power to you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I think it's too quick to go

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to a break, So before we do that, I do

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want to just give a quick shout out to uh,

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it's Colbert's last night, I know, and it's been a

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sad thing watching him go. I think I understand why

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this sendoff is so elaborate. All of his celebrity friends

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are coming out and making a big deal in all

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of this other stuff, and also because he is, in

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the minds of so many, including myself, was unfairly fired

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from his job for political reasons, so that's why everyone's

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coming out. But I do think we're I mean, it's

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a good thing it's ending, because it's it's gotten to

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the point of a little bit of overkill, like people

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coming out and just singing these cheerful goodbyes to him

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and everything. And you know, it's not Johnny Carson after

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thirty years, you know what I mean, It's not. It's

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not that level of even I like Colbert, I do,

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and his leaving is tragic and politically it's infuriating, but

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he was never a cultural institution the way that and

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that's the way everyone's acting right now. It's like, I

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get it, they want to give him a big send off,

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but he was one of four hosts in a very

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dwindling late night market and many people think he was

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the best. It's not really for me to say because

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I don't watch Late Night all that much, but I think.

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Speaker 2: I think it's how it was, why it was done,

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you know why he right.

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Speaker 1: I do think it's getting a little on the obnoxiy

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right side.

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Speaker 2: And I and I appreciate people coming out and say something,

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making a statement because when you do as a celebrity

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of someone famous, and it once again it's out there

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for people to be reminded why he was fired. At

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00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,799
the same time, the man has been doing this for

471
00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:51,599
what twenty years.

472
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 1: I believe, right, not even mean on CBS now like

473
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,720
the two Colbert Report, any right of that.

474
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 2: He's a zillionaire. He has more money than he'll be

475
00:25:00,519 --> 00:25:02,440
so he'll be fine, and he's probably gonna start his

476
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:03,799
own YouTube zone now.

477
00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:06,039
Speaker 1: I think he has a bunch of different things lined up, right.

478
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

479
00:25:06,759 --> 00:25:10,599
Speaker 1: I like Pulbert. I'm not suggesting he doesn't deserve his accolades,

480
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,519
but I do think the sort of weepy, overwrought goodbyes

481
00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:17,839
are starting to get to be a bit much, that's all.

482
00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:20,640
And it's it's time to it's time to go. It's

483
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:21,359
just time to go.

484
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand why it's done, I understand, and as

485
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,200
I said, because people just pay attention when he's out

486
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,799
there right in front of them. So uh so if

487
00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:36,319
celebrities are doing that, I think it's always a reminder

488
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,000
again and again and again why he was fired. And

489
00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:42,759
I think that point needs to be you know, uh,

490
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,599
people need to need to be reminded why he was fired.

491
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,599
Speaker 1: I agree. All right, now we'll go to a break, yes,

492
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,960
and we'll be right back to chat about a few

493
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,759
more things than our pod pory. We're back, and now

494
00:25:55,759 --> 00:25:58,319
we're going to check in on the little scandal, the

495
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,480
little Disney scandal surrounding the Mandalorian.

496
00:26:01,759 --> 00:26:05,599
Speaker 2: I mentioned that on the Less podcast about you know,

497
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:06,920
fan things now go ahead.

498
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's not a big story, but I think

499
00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:13,960
everyone kind of latched onto it because it's indicative of

500
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:18,279
such a long trend in the Hollywood promotions. So the

501
00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:22,640
Mandalorian and Grogu, the Star Wars spin offs movie starring

502
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:29,039
Pedro Pescal has opened, and all indications are that it's

503
00:26:29,039 --> 00:26:32,759
going to be like the worst performing Star Wars movie. Really, yeah, Oh,

504
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:37,440
nobody wants this. The show has has just plummeted in quality.

505
00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:41,079
There was too much he has had not the best

506
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,160
luck in his movie. I mean, I know, Fantastic Four

507
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,400
did okay, but it didn't do Crazy okay. Oh that

508
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,319
sucks for him, and this is probably not going to

509
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:54,640
do well and possibly because of that reason. Disney stage

510
00:26:54,759 --> 00:27:00,200
this thing at Disneyland, as you know, it was for

511
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,920
social media. Essentially, a bunch of people were going were

512
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,599
in line to get on the Millennium Falcon Smugglers Run

513
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,799
ride and someone came out in a Mandalorian costume and

514
00:27:10,839 --> 00:27:12,920
took off his helmet and it was Pedro Pascal and

515
00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:16,319
oh my god, pictures and crying and all this other stuff.

516
00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:19,480
And you know, it was billed as you know, Pedro

517
00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:23,480
Pascal Surprise as Star Wars fans. But everybody there was

518
00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:26,319
like an influencer of some form, some sort of Star

519
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,240
Wars on the stage, of which there are a lot.

520
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 2: That's what.

521
00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: There's money to be made there.

522
00:27:31,599 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: I see that happening a lot on TikTok. I mean,

523
00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:37,920
all the influencers on TikTok get invited to the red carpet.

524
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, the critics don't, but influencers do.

525
00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:45,039
Speaker 2: The Devil Wears product, for example, had several mini mini

526
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:49,680
fan events and it was all like, these people get invited, it's.

527
00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: Fine, but this sort of stage surprise thing they do

528
00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:55,079
this is what blew up. I'm sorry, guys, it's the same.

529
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 2: Thing at celebrity showing up to somebody's wedding as a

530
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,759
surprise thing. That to me that he's so selfish, selfish.

531
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: Theday it was doing the wedding Chapel in Vegas and

532
00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:07,839
I was like, well, I mean, I'm sure people loved it,

533
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,480
but I would be annoyed my wedding turned into a movie.

534
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 2: I swip show up at my wedding. I would send

535
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,079
her out, go thank you, Taylor, But no, no, it's

536
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,000
my day, girl, not yours. So I kind of see

537
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:24,319
the same thing here. I guess people would again there

538
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,559
they rely on their I don't know, celebrity status.

539
00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: I guess it's oh, well, I'm going to need to

540
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,559
show up this story. Here is the way critics, actual

541
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,640
legitimate critics, are being forced out of these conversations, forced

542
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,200
out of these commercial events. And you're bringing in people

543
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:43,000
who by their nature will never say anything bad exactly

544
00:28:43,559 --> 00:28:48,960
because because they're influencers, because they're fans. Yes, and you know,

545
00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:52,559
I I'm an independent blogger, and I think a lot

546
00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:55,319
of people think that that's somehow akin to being an influencer,

547
00:28:55,359 --> 00:29:00,519
but it actually isn't. I am not selling proper. I'm

548
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:04,000
selling my own work basically. I mean, I sell products too,

549
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,640
but that's you know, you got to do that to

550
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:06,160
make money.

551
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: But I try to be careful because you know, we

552
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,640
are bloggers, and there was a time when they invited

553
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,400
bloggers to everything anything.

554
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: But we took that shit seriously.

555
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: Well that's us, and a lot of people did too.

556
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:21,559
I mean, I can only speak for myself. At the

557
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,359
time when we got invited, you got invited to something

558
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,039
that you did, which means that we cover red carpet

559
00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:31,119
and a TV show, so we got invited to that. Nowadays,

560
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,799
you just have to have a big number of followers.

561
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:35,759
Doesn't matter what you do, you get invited to these things.

562
00:29:35,799 --> 00:29:38,720
I've seen people on TikTok. I'm not gonna name names.

563
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:42,039
These people do something completely different. They live in a

564
00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:46,039
different country or whatever, and their TikTok account is all

565
00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:48,880
about traveling or Paris or whatever, and now they're getting

566
00:29:48,839 --> 00:29:51,359
invited to all these red carpet events because of the

567
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,960
numbers they have. So that's the problem, and as you mentioned,

568
00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:57,960
it's a very smart move because none of these people

569
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,160
are going to bed mouth anything.

570
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: Now, that's the whole I idea. And I mean when

571
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,640
we first started those blockers and we were invited to

572
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,079
places I no one ever said you're not allowed to

573
00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:09,400
say anything bad, but it was kind of the understanding,

574
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,279
like we're inviting you, so just be on your best behavior.

575
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:17,200
And that's kind of why we don't really do events

576
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,960
like that anymore, because the expectation is what we have

577
00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:22,480
to be nice or we'll never get invited back, and

578
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:23,759
that's just death.

579
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: For I don't care about that anymore.

580
00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:26,079
Speaker 3: One of the.

581
00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:31,119
Speaker 1: Reasons I firmly last year or the year before, I

582
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,960
was at a social event with people that basically I

583
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,640
most of whom I had not seen since I was

584
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,279
a teenager. We were part of the same teenager crowd

585
00:30:39,559 --> 00:30:41,960
social event, and someone came up to me and said,

586
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,799
I heard you're an influencer now, and I got bent

587
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,720
the fuck out of shape and I was like, I

588
00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:52,920
am not. I am a writer. Here's the thing. Influencers

589
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,920
are selling their influence. They're selling their ability to generate

590
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,200
an audience and to tell them what to buy, what

591
00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:00,359
to think. Where to go, and that has now been

592
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:05,400
That is the difference. And I remember sometimes like getting

593
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,720
dismissive comments in our own comments section where people would

594
00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:10,680
refer to us as influencers, and when I came back

595
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,440
and said we're not influencers, they would get all, excuse me.

596
00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:14,799
But there is a difference.

597
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: There is a major difference, and I think it's a

598
00:31:16,839 --> 00:31:18,519
very misused word to begin with it.

599
00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: It is a misused one.

600
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,759
Speaker 2: I hate the term yeah, to be honest, because it's

601
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:24,680
not about what you do, what you came up with

602
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,440
as an idea for for what you for a channel,

603
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:30,440
for for a TikTok channel or YouTube channel. No, it's

604
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,400
it's just because you have the numbers, no matter what

605
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,680
you do. Doesn't matter what you do, Yeah, you have

606
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:36,680
the numbers, So we're gonna send you soap, and you're

607
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,599
gonna talk about it, you know what I mean.

608
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,359
Speaker 1: I mean the worst sorts of influencers are the ones

609
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,000
that don't really have any principles or preferences. Although don't

610
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:48,000
it's constantly for sale, yes, yes, but whatever. There are

611
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:51,200
good influencers. It's not an evil position to be in.

612
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,480
And I don't even think I would badmount these Star

613
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:56,480
Wars fans. But I think it's shitty to do these

614
00:31:56,519 --> 00:31:58,759
posts like go ahead and just have a like you

615
00:31:58,759 --> 00:32:01,160
were talking about the fan events or Devilwarre's product. That

616
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,799
doesn't bother me because they're literally labeled this fan event.

617
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,279
I would go, of course, I come, but this sort

618
00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:10,079
of staged oh surprise. No, that's that's where you're getting into.

619
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,640
And I think that was the backlash, Like you're getting

620
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,359
into not being honest with your audience about what sort

621
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:16,839
of promotional work you're doing.

622
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:20,759
Speaker 2: One thing, if you had showed up to real people there, right, attity.

623
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: They've done that in the past. Yeah. I remember Chadwick

624
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,279
Boseman showed up during Black Panther and he surprised a

625
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:29,119
bunch of people, and I think it was on the

626
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:31,759
Tonight Show at the time. They do these things. That's fine,

627
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,440
but Orchestra tell me, yeah, you surprised a bunch of

628
00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:39,559
random fans when it's quite clear you surprised people who

629
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:42,160
have probably a million followers on social media.

630
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: Right, and they're gonna post videos about it, and I'm

631
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,000
gonna say, oh my god, I was whatever, and you

632
00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:48,759
know they're not honest about it, and they they yeah,

633
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,480
it's just crazy. Again goes back to what I said,

634
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:56,039
it's exhausting to watch or read anything today because you're like,

635
00:32:56,039 --> 00:32:57,319
it is Israel.

636
00:32:57,359 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: That's true.

637
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like always.

638
00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll tell you what if it's coming from Telo,

639
00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:05,440
it's real, it's real, it's real. It's our real opinions

640
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:07,880
that we really typed out or wrote out or thought

641
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,640
off ourselves. No, Ai, I know nothing. So you're always

642
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,079
going to get the real ship with Tilo. That should

643
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:20,000
be our tagline, the real Ship whenever we're whenever we

644
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:24,279
travel uh to another country, I always we all love

645
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:26,880
it was one of the things I will I love

646
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,000
to do, like if we're in a city like Paris

647
00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:31,440
or Lisbon or something like that, is to just sort

648
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,960
of wander off into an area where it's away from tourists.

649
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,680
And we were. It was in Lisbon the first time

650
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,640
I used the term, where we were in this alleyway

651
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,000
going up very steep. We were going somewhere, but we

652
00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:46,279
have found ourselves off the beaten path. And it wasn't

653
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:49,319
a rough neighborhood, but it was. It was a residential

654
00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:53,119
one and an urban one, so there was graffiti and

655
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,759
there was laundry, hanging out the windows, and I kept

656
00:33:55,799 --> 00:33:57,799
taking all these pictures and I'm like, I know, I know,

657
00:33:57,839 --> 00:33:59,880
it's not tourist stuff, but this is the real ship.

658
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:04,319
This is I love graffiti and other countries. And I

659
00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:07,559
bet you, I bet your wings of desires? Why I

660
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:12,400
bet you. That's that's why I love it. Anyway, moving on,

661
00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:15,920
we actually have one one more topic. Okay, it's an

662
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,000
easy one, and we're just going out the door with this.

663
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,079
Who should be the next change?

664
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:25,119
Speaker 2: Well, they're finally auditioning people. I think that's what they say.

665
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: But I'm not in love with any of the people

666
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,159
on the list. I mean, they're fine, but I'm like, Okay,

667
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,119
a bunch of like square jowed white guy.

668
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 2: Well, I think, but didn't we have a conversation like that.

669
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:39,559
Is there some specific language language about what the character

670
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:42,840
needs to be? Is he supposed to be British white whatever?

671
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,119
Speaker 1: I believe? I mean, he does have to be British,

672
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,760
uh huh. And he's described in the books. In fact,

673
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:54,840
I think he's I think, no, I know he's described

674
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,199
in the books because I know when Daniel Craig was cast,

675
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,159
there was a big to do about him being blonde

676
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:01,000
and that is not how described in the books.

677
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 2: Interesting.

678
00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:05,679
Speaker 1: Aside from that, I think he's referred to as having

679
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,840
dark hair. I think, given the times, he would not

680
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,119
have been referred to as white, because the assumption is

681
00:35:11,199 --> 00:35:13,719
every character in a book is white until you tell

682
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:14,360
them otherwise.

683
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: I haven't no problemly if they picked someone who isn't white.

684
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: I mean, given the racial makeup and the colonial history

685
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,639
of Great Britain, I think it would be a really

686
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:25,280
good idea to have someone like Henry Golding or Dev

687
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:30,079
Patel or Riz Ahmed, any of those those men would

688
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:34,519
make great bonds. I don't think you just cast when

689
00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:37,480
you talk about a diverse bond. To me, and I'm

690
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,679
an American, I understand that. You know I'm speaking as

691
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:44,480
an outsider. To me, it should be reflective of British history,

692
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:49,320
British colonial history, and obviously that doesn't leave black actors

693
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,719
out of the conversation. But I do think it would

694
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,119
be more powerful to have, say a Pakistani actor or

695
00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:59,559
a Chinese actor. I'm not arguing against the black actor,

696
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:01,679
but I never thought Idris Elbow was right for the part.

697
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,679
They talked about him for years and I was like,

698
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,199
I'm sorry, it has nothing to do with his race.

699
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,559
That is, there are very swave looking black factors, right,

700
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,480
that's not who Idriss is. He's sexy, he's powerful, he's aggressive.

701
00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:19,519
He just did not say Bond to me. He also

702
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:23,360
was famously, at least among our set, he doesn't like

703
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to get dressed up. He's not a very right stylish man.

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And again it's like, wow, you I never thought he

705
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was right for the part.

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Speaker 2: I yeah, I know. I don't think so, because, as

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you said, I think it has to be someone stylish,

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you know, with with.

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Speaker 1: They're going for someone. They said they want an under thirty,

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which actually makes sense because they probably want him to

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do five movies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my pigs are Aaron Taylor Johnson, Eron Taylor Johnson

713
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and Aaron Taylor.

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Speaker 1: I And maybe I don't think he's got it either.

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Speaker 2: I know he's getting old.

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Speaker 1: I think he's he's getting a little old. Number one.

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He's got that sort of uh, I'm just gonna say

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00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:04,960
he's got that sort of work, working class vibe to him.

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And I really don't think that's what they're looking for

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with Bond. You know, who I think would be great. Okay,

721
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:13,360
So the names that are out there are like Callum

722
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Turner and he is the number one.

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Speaker 3: He would be perfect, he'd be okay, yeah, right, he'd

724
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be like, come on, he's gorgeous, but he's okay looking,

725
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but I mean he is gorgeous, square John White guy,

726
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,719
like all right, it's just not you know who I

727
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:26,480
think of the name.

728
00:37:26,519 --> 00:37:29,039
Speaker 1: And they're also talking Henry Cavill too big, what about

729
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:36,679
Harris Dickenson? Very bland, very fucking bland. Josh O'Connor. Josh

730
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,599
O'Connor would be my pick because he looks good and clothes,

731
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he's English, he's young enough, interesting, and he's sexy in

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an unconventional way. That's what I want. I think is

733
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I don't want a pretty Bond because we've had pretty bond.

734
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,679
I was just gonna say he's not pretty enough, but

735
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,519
we've had like Daniel Craig was probably the prettiest Bond

736
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:04,719
therever was, and maybe maybe next to Sean Connery. It's

737
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,079
always been like elegant, very good looking men like you know,

738
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,519
Pierce Brosnan, and you know, no, let's get someone in

739
00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:13,280
there who's got a little bit of roughness to him

740
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,519
but still comes off interesting. Because I do think bond

741
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,199
does have to be a little bit posh.

742
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,119
Speaker 2: I agree, And and Joshakon is very talented, he's a

743
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:22,800
great actor.

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00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he would want to be I mean,

745
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:27,079
they would have to offer him a shit ton of

746
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:31,039
money because he's a rising star. Why would he lock himself.

747
00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:33,039
It's probably gonna be Callum Turner because he's not a

748
00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:33,840
big enough name.

749
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Speaker 2: I know, but it changed your career, I mean your career.

750
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Speaker 1: Daniel Craig wanted out of it after three movies. It's

751
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:45,760
it's and he talked about that you can't eat. You

752
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,400
literally cannot eat, like because you're either wrapping up a

753
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,400
film or doing the promotional work for a film, or

754
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,800
you're working on the next one. Why and he said

755
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,599
he's like I starved for like ten years.

756
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Speaker 2: I can't I can't see Joshua Kana doing that.

757
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: No, naturally, think he wouldn't have to say no.

758
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 2: But my point is that he doesn't care about things

759
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,719
like that. I mean, I don't think he cared that

760
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,320
much about his apperienced That's why Aaron Taylor Johnson could

761
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be the one, because he's too old at this point.

762
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,880
I mean, I would have to check, but anyway.

763
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying, according to what they're looking for,

764
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they are gonna want at least three films out of

765
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the next James Bond, probably five.

766
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Speaker 2: He's uh thirty five, he's not too old now, and

767
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he's coacheous.

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00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: He he's you No, I mean he's gorgeous. My number

769
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one is Josh O'Connor. My number two was Callum Turner

770
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,280
only because he fits. He wouldn't make a bad James

771
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,400
Pollen is gorgeous. I don't necessary. I don't think Aaron

772
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,639
Taylor Johnson is right for it at all.

773
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think Henry Calvill Callen is actually

774
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older thirty six.

775
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,079
Speaker 1: So Callum Turner's older. Wow, he looks younger.

776
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Speaker 2: He looks younger. He's so pretty. He's very handsome with

777
00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:56,960
dal Leap and they look corgeously.

778
00:39:57,119 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: They are a beautiful couple together anyway, So what are

779
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:00,440
your picks?

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Speaker 2: I say, Aaron Taylor Johnson.

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Speaker 1: Oh, okay, yeah, I think he's Kalen Turner here. He

782
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,079
is so bland. You have he talk about you?

783
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Speaker 2: Yes?

784
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: Oh?

785
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: The other one people were talking about Jacob ALORDI godknew

786
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number one number one. I really don't think he should

787
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be Australian like I just and I know George Lasmbee,

788
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,760
who was an Australian actor played him for one role.

789
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Speaker 2: He's not talented.

790
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Speaker 1: I do think they should be English. Whoever plays Green

791
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,800
should be English. That's me, but I'm not English, so whatever.

792
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I also think he's too tall. I think Jacob Elordi

793
00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:39,000
is literally too tall to be an action star because

794
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:42,039
you have to shoot action sequences and he is going

795
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:46,079
to be so much bigger than everybody that he's just

796
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:48,760
going to dominate them, or that it makes shooting action

797
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,480
sequences difficult because then you have to sort of obscure

798
00:40:51,519 --> 00:40:54,039
the fact that the lead actor is a foot taller

799
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than everybody else. No, he's not. I don't think he's

800
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,000
a good No, he can't even sit in an aston

801
00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:02,880
Martin likes even get into those little Bond He's six five. Yeah,

802
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:03,800
that's not happening.

803
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Speaker 2: He's too tall and he's not talented.

804
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,079
Speaker 1: So how I disagree?

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00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: Do we have anything else?

807
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:14,159
Speaker 2: No, that's sonxiety. I love the movies. In fact, Netflix

808
00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:16,679
had all the Bond movies. Yeah, the Netflix had all

809
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,880
the old movies and I watched pretty much all of

810
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:19,320
them again.

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Speaker 1: And something you may not know about Lorenzo when this

812
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,320
might surprise you. Number one is that he's a huge

813
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,159
Bond fan and he's seen them all and Western. He's

814
00:41:26,199 --> 00:41:27,559
a huge John Wayne fan.

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Speaker 2: Oh God, don't say this would be crazy.

816
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, everyone's gonna John Way. It was a

817
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,320
wonderful actor. Politics.

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00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 2: Can we expand this a little more? I love Western's period.

819
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Speaker 1: You thought John Wayne was hot when he was very young?

820
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm gonna get in too much trouble now,

821
00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:49,360
trouble when he was young? Yes, I I thought he

822
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,360
was gorgeous. And I'm a huge fan of Western. Love

823
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:55,400
love them, love them. If they're playing on Netflix, I

824
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,960
watch all of them. And yeah, he's he's he was

825
00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:01,119
great person, but he was queen.

826
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to defend it, all right. Well, anyway,

827
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that's it for this week. We will be back. Actually tomorrow,

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we're watching To Die For for the Ritter Kitten Movie Club,

829
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so we'll be back with a short pot on that,

830
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,559
and then we'll be back next week after the holiday.

831
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So have a happy Memorial Day all. We'll be American kittens.

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00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:21,239
We'll be back with whatever crosses are as across their desks.

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Until then, take care of yourselves, love you mean it,

834
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Bye bye bye