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Speaker 2: Welcome to the vermeth This Lens podcast asked the place
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Speaker 2: I got a good one lined up for you. This
Speaker 2: is a man that I met through a brother, David Paxton.
Speaker 2: This is a writer, a filmmaker, a researcher and explorer.
Speaker 2: And me and this man we'll probably talked close to
Speaker 2: an hour pre roll, so we're kind of kindred spirits.
Speaker 2: So I'm really excited to see where this conversation goes
Speaker 2: and some of the cool stories and legends and stuff.
Speaker 2: This guy has just dug up here recently because he's
Speaker 2: working on some documentaries that are in the works and
Speaker 2: should be out pretty soon. But I like to welcome
Speaker 2: to the show for the first time, first of many,
Speaker 2: hopefully Nestor Or say did I get that right?
Speaker 4: You got it right?
Speaker 5: Nice? Yeah, thanks for having me. This is such an honor.
Speaker 2: Hey, man, No, I actually got to see your episode
Speaker 2: one before you took it down because you said that
Speaker 2: you had found one of your sources was a little
Speaker 2: off and you wanted to get it right, so you
Speaker 2: pulled it down. But I'm definitely excited to see some
Speaker 2: of the other stuff, but good quality stuff.
Speaker 5: Man. Yeah, So, as you mentioned before, I did end
Speaker 5: up pulling the episode down. Because there was just one
Speaker 5: piece of information there that wasn't completely accurate. So I
Speaker 5: ended up pulling the episode down and I'm going to
Speaker 5: be revising certain shots and just certain things in the
Speaker 5: episode that I feel like when I first start the
Speaker 5: first time, I was like, I.
Speaker 4: Could probably be a little better.
Speaker 5: But overall, the impression that I got from people who
Speaker 5: saw it, especially people in Puerto Rico, they loved the episode,
Speaker 5: and a lot of them came up to me, They're like, man,
Speaker 5: I didn't know this. I didn't know that, you know.
Speaker 5: So you had like people who were like lifetime locals
Speaker 5: like watching this and like being enlightened and finding out
Speaker 5: all this information for the first time in their lives,
Speaker 5: which I thought was really it was humbling to hear.
Speaker 5: So I think, I think I'm doing some pretty good
Speaker 5: work here, you know, not to sort of prop myself up,
Speaker 5: but in the sense that when I worked on this documentary,
Speaker 5: I really my job.
Speaker 4: Was to.
Speaker 5: Find sort of the source of my roots and sort
Speaker 5: of rediscover my roots. And as I started digging into it,
Speaker 5: I started finding out things about my own culture and
Speaker 5: my own country that just blew my mind. And as
Speaker 5: you're going to see throughout the series. It really connects
Speaker 5: to just the larger creation worldview. So I'm really excited
Speaker 5: for people to see this when it comes out.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, man, before we get too deep in it,
Speaker 2: just give everybody just a little synopsis, a little background.
Speaker 2: Let everybody know who Nasture is, what kind of writing
Speaker 2: you do or what kind of filming you do, likes, interest, expertise,
Speaker 2: you know, are you a Capricorn? Do you like long
Speaker 2: walks in the forest, barefoot? You know? Give everybody a
Speaker 2: good feel.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So my name is nes Star, I say, and outside
Speaker 5: of that, outside of filmmaking and traveling and writing, I'm
Speaker 5: just the regular guy. I love Jesus, I'm married, I
Speaker 5: have a dog. I live in New York City. I
Speaker 5: actually teach special ed children in pre school, so that's
Speaker 5: a really really I love that field and I've been
Speaker 5: doing it for over a decade. When I'm not doing
Speaker 5: that more lighting as a filmmaker, writer, adventure, I just
Speaker 5: finished up an article called Pirates and Voodoo for a
Speaker 5: coffee company called Expedition Society Adventure Coffee, and they have
Speaker 5: a journal section there where you can find the story
Speaker 5: that I wrote on Robert Doci, who was considered the
Speaker 5: last great Pirate of the Caribbean, and also a little
Speaker 5: weird morbid tail concerning a Manning John Stevens and how
Speaker 5: his inerts basically became entoumbed inside a pot. So I
Speaker 5: don't want to spoil too much, but if you're into
Speaker 5: those kind of stories, you know, said to the Caribbean,
Speaker 5: make sure you check it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that's awesome. Well, this recent I don't know,
Speaker 2: this recent excursion that that that you went on in
Speaker 2: this documentary that you're working on. What is the name
Speaker 2: of the series and what's the subject matter?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so the name of the series is Myths and
Speaker 5: Legends from Mols On Juan and Bits and Legend from
Speaker 5: most Sonjuan dives deep into four of the most important
Speaker 5: monuments across the old District of San Juan in Puerto Rico.
Speaker 5: So we're going to take a look a closer look
Speaker 5: at the monuments of La Grita Diablo, the Double Sentry Box.
Speaker 5: We're going to be looking into Lativa, which is a
Speaker 5: statue that represents just a great miracle that occurred during
Speaker 5: a siege where San Juan and the whole of Puerto
Speaker 5: Rico were almost taken by the English. We're going to
Speaker 5: be looking into the legend of Fan Ponce de Leon,
Speaker 5: which we looked at in the first episode and his
Speaker 5: ties to the Fountain of Youth. And then the last
Speaker 5: one we're going to be looking into is going to
Speaker 5: be La Caapilla Cristo, which is the Chapel of Christ.
Speaker 5: And the story there is really interesting and it involved
Speaker 5: a man who was in the middle of a horse
Speaker 5: race and basically fell off the cliff, and it is
Speaker 5: said in the legend that when he fell off the cliff,
Speaker 5: this priest was praying for him and he up surviving
Speaker 5: the fall, and so in order to commemorate that miracle,
Speaker 5: they built a chapel there, and when you go inside,
Speaker 5: there's like a bunch of like really cool trinkets like
Speaker 5: silver and stuff like that, and people go there and
Speaker 5: they pray for healing, and there's been supposedly a lot
Speaker 5: of miracles that have happened in that area. Now, the
Speaker 5: weird thing about legends is that they tend to have
Speaker 5: a lot of variations through culture, so that one version
Speaker 5: the guy and the horse end up surviving, but then
Speaker 5: there's other versions that recorded that both the man and
Speaker 5: the horse die. So we're going to be exploring all
Speaker 5: that stuff and not to go into too much spoilers,
Speaker 5: but then I do believe that there is a grander
Speaker 5: connection to the spiritual creation worldview in that. So that's
Speaker 5: basically the gist of it.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm definitely interested to see what you found in
Speaker 2: some of the cool stories because that's a section of
Speaker 2: the world I've really not looked into much. So this
Speaker 2: is going to be a learning experience for me and
Speaker 2: I'm sure some of the listeners too. You are the
Speaker 2: field god on this journey, sir. So wherever you want
Speaker 2: to start us off and take us through, man, go
Speaker 2: right ahead.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll give you a list of options, right Puerto Rico.
Speaker 5: Puerto Rico is an island that is often overlooked. It
Speaker 5: is considered a lot of people don't know this, but
Speaker 5: it is considered part of the US.
Speaker 4: It is a US territory.
Speaker 5: A lot of people are trying to convert Puerto Rico
Speaker 5: into its own fifty first state. So there's a lot
Speaker 5: of significance when it comes to its geo geography, and
Speaker 5: it's a political power in the world.
Speaker 4: So I'll say this.
Speaker 5: If you like adventure, you like pirates, you like aliens,
Speaker 5: you like Bigfoot, you like cryptid stuff, you like government conspiracies.
Speaker 5: I mean, what doesn't Puerto Rico have. So there's just
Speaker 5: so much to expe war there. When it comes to
Speaker 5: even ghost if you're into ghost stuff, there's tons of
Speaker 5: ghost stories and supposedly haunted places there. So yeah, there's
Speaker 5: so much we could get into, and even like with
Speaker 5: the whole like Tino stuff, the Tino Indian who first
Speaker 5: inhabited the island, you know, many hundreds thousands of years ago.
Speaker 5: I was doing research a little bit and have you
Speaker 5: ever heard of the Nazario Collection. This is really fascinating.
Speaker 5: So the Nazario codec that.
Speaker 2: The river winds Joseph, Yes, Joseph, Hey, he's from down there.
Speaker 2: That was his tried the Tiano correct.
Speaker 5: So I'm actually reading his book right now as part
Speaker 5: of my research for the documentary. So I do want
Speaker 5: to get into some of that stuff, but it's it's
Speaker 5: really fascinating. So this connects into a little bit into
Speaker 5: the Nazario collection. So the story goes back sometime during
Speaker 5: the eighteen hundreds. There was a priest named follow the Nazario,
Speaker 5: and he was in touch with a Tino tribe there,
Speaker 5: and so he knew a local woman there who was
Speaker 5: passing away. The story goes as this woman who was
Speaker 5: about to pass away, she says, Hey, this is like
Speaker 5: collection of like weird rocks like out in the jungle
Speaker 5: that I think you should like take a look at
Speaker 5: before I pass away. He goes out into the middle
Speaker 5: of the jungle. He finds his collection of stones, and
Speaker 5: some of these stones are like tablets, some of these
Speaker 5: stones that look like like little idols. But then the
Speaker 5: really strange part is that on these stones there's inscriptions
Speaker 5: of an unknown language. This is really fascinating and till
Speaker 5: this day they haven't been able to decipher what this
Speaker 5: language is. But if you look at it, a lot
Speaker 5: of people theorize that it could potentially be ancient Hebrew,
Speaker 5: it could be Babylonian. It doesn't look like it's from
Speaker 5: the island. And so there's a theory that these stones
Speaker 5: and the Tinianos are then connected to them the lost
Speaker 5: tribes of Israel, which is I mean, you talk about
Speaker 5: Puerto Rico, like this is not something that you would
Speaker 5: ever think you find in the middle of like an
Speaker 5: island in the Caribbean. But yet here we are and
Speaker 5: some of these stones, they've been separated. I think there's
Speaker 5: all's a collection of like eight hundred stones, so that
Speaker 5: they found tons of wild things, eight hundreds of them,
Speaker 5: and some of them been separated in different museums of
Speaker 5: the world, including the Smithsonian Institute. But if you get
Speaker 5: a chance to like look into it is really really
Speaker 5: fascinating stuff. So it's kind of going, you know, just
Speaker 5: to give you an idea of sort of just the
Speaker 5: untapped history of Puerto Rico because you think, you know,
Speaker 5: when you go to school, what do you learn, Oh,
Speaker 5: you know, Christopher Columbus discovered America in fourteen ninety two.
Speaker 4: May not be fully accurate.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, that's one of those things. It's you
Speaker 2: kind of get the the thirty thousand foot view of
Speaker 2: history and whether it's lies, whether it's misconceptions, either way,
Speaker 2: it just it ain't right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, I mean up until just recently, I mean when
Speaker 5: I was growing up in school, I will say, hey,
Speaker 5: who discovered America's Christopher Columbus. But then when you do
Speaker 5: your own research, Laife Garrison, who's this dude like Viking?
Speaker 4: Like what?
Speaker 5: And then you're finding out there finding all these Viking
Speaker 5: artifacts all over America and possibly even like some Chinese
Speaker 5: or artifacts as well. So it just makes you think, well,
Speaker 5: if they're finding this kind of stuff in America, then
Speaker 5: what else are they finding in Puerto Rico. I mean,
Speaker 5: they've already found those Zara collection and who knows what
Speaker 5: else is out there that has yet to be discovered
Speaker 5: you can go into like lost treasures.
Speaker 4: Some people.
Speaker 5: Actually there's this island next to Puerto Rico, culqu and
Speaker 5: Viekas two islands, So these two islands, smaller islands are
Speaker 5: next to Puerto Rico. They still believe that there's lost
Speaker 5: treasure over there as well. So that's really interesting. So
Speaker 5: if you want to go digging up for some treasure,
Speaker 5: I feel like that's be a good place to start.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah man.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Now with our pre roll talk, we were talking a
Speaker 2: little bit about Bigfoot and you said there's even Bigfoot
Speaker 2: stories down there. Now that blew my mind.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So Puerto Rico has its own version of the Bigfoot.
Speaker 5: And I actually found this out before we started recording.
Speaker 5: So I'm in touch with a man down there.
Speaker 4: His name is.
Speaker 5: Horte Martin Miranda. Well, we typically call him hort Martin
Speaker 5: and Horte Martin. If you know Puerto Rican culture, this
Speaker 5: dude is huge, and he was the guy who was
Speaker 5: the main investigator, one of the main investigators.
Speaker 4: I would say he was the main one though.
Speaker 5: Back in the nineties when the whole tripa Gabba craze
Speaker 5: was happening on the island. He was the guy who
Speaker 5: was like at the forefront. He was like making documentaries
Speaker 5: and he was reporting on all the the attacks that
Speaker 5: were happening on farms with animals being drained of blood,
Speaker 5: basically being this figure this you know, dismantled, it's still
Speaker 5: happening now, which is crazy. He actually just reported two
Speaker 5: days ago that there was an attack in the town
Speaker 5: where I'm from, Kaya, which is really crazy. So this
Speaker 5: is the guy you want to talk to when it
Speaker 5: comes to any sort of like UFO stuff. So from
Speaker 5: him I actually learned because I was doing research. You know,
Speaker 5: is there bigfoot like in Puerto Rico. It's really interesting
Speaker 5: because they have their own version of the Bigfoot, and
Speaker 5: I think they call it the Yetioid. The reason they
Speaker 5: call it the yetioid, it's because it's a cross between
Speaker 5: what they believe to be an alien being and a bigfoot.
Speaker 5: So these are you know, bipedal cree matures. They're about
Speaker 5: four to eight feet tall, so they're in varying degrees
Speaker 5: and various various sizes. But they're built like like how
Speaker 5: you would think saw squads would be built. So they
Speaker 5: have red eyes, you know, they're very hairy all over,
Speaker 5: and there's been stories of these things going around and
Speaker 5: attacking very similar to how the Chroopagabta attacks animals, just
Speaker 5: feeding off their blood, you know, disfiguring these animals and
Speaker 5: just leaving them out to dry. The crazy thing is
Speaker 5: that when they do find these animals, they're completely like
Speaker 5: dry of blood. So this is really crazy how this
Speaker 5: is happening. There have been rumors though that potentially these
Speaker 5: could be satanic sacrifices. Puerto Rico is just a huge
Speaker 5: hotbed of Santa ri Palomayombe. It's a big mix of
Speaker 5: a lot of old African pagan worship and religion and
Speaker 5: customs that migrated to Puerto Rico during the slave trade,
Speaker 5: and so a lot of people believe, because these traditions
Speaker 5: are still being practiced and we're carried down from back then,
Speaker 5: that this is what it could potentially be. But when
Speaker 5: you really look into some of these photos and just
Speaker 5: read some of these reports from these eyewitnesses that are
Speaker 5: just finding their livestock dead on their farms.
Speaker 4: It's just really weird stuff, really more good.
Speaker 2: Stuff, Yeah, especially to you. I mean, like if you're
Speaker 2: a farmer and you know something's attacking your cattle or
Speaker 2: your sheep or whatever the case may be. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's your livelihood, that's how you make your money. So
Speaker 2: not only is it spooky and scary, it's hitting them
Speaker 2: in their wallet, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's very stressful. I mean it's like you mentioned,
Speaker 5: it's really stressful. And then on top of that, you're
Speaker 5: being told, way, this isn't being done by like a
Speaker 5: non human, Like, how do you even explain that to
Speaker 5: your family? How do you even explain that to your neighbors?
Speaker 5: So you have stuff like that happening all over the island.
Speaker 5: So actually, I have a couple of stories that occurred
Speaker 5: to me while there, and a lot of these stories
Speaker 5: are what served as stepping stones, stepping stones as to
Speaker 5: why I am doing what I am. Now, I'll tell
Speaker 5: you one of them. I actually said the story on
Speaker 5: another podcast, but it really it really affected me on
Speaker 5: a personal level because it happened when I was a child,
Speaker 5: and so I remember just sitting down TV one they
Speaker 5: I was five years old.
Speaker 4: This happened back.
Speaker 5: In nineteen ninety I say, nineteen ninety five, nineteen ninety six, and.
Speaker 2: This which is in Puerto Rico.
Speaker 5: This was in Puerto Rico, right, And another really interesting
Speaker 5: parallel there is that during this time was the height
Speaker 5: of the Troupacabra attacks.
Speaker 4: Very interesting. So I was watching TV in Puerto Rico.
Speaker 5: This was in the town of kaya and it was
Speaker 5: in a precinct of Kaye, but it was in a
Speaker 5: town called Doita. So I was living in Toita with
Speaker 5: my parents, a nice little pink house.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: We had a yard around and everything, fencing, yard.
Speaker 4: Life was good.
Speaker 5: So one day my mom she would let me watch
Speaker 5: this like Puerto Rican sketch comedy show that would come
Speaker 5: on Wednesday nights at nine o'clock. And that was the
Speaker 5: only time she would allow me to stay up just
Speaker 5: to watch that show at nine o'clock. And as soon
Speaker 5: as that show was over, straight to the side to
Speaker 5: go to bed and go to school you know.
Speaker 4: The next day.
Speaker 5: So I was watching this show and as I'm watching
Speaker 5: the show, in Puerto Rico, we have screen doors because
Speaker 5: it's so hot on the island, so these doors basically
Speaker 5: have screens. That way, you could just let in fresh
Speaker 5: air during the daytime and in the evening just gets
Speaker 5: nice and cool. So the door was on the screen door,
Speaker 5: and we also had a separate door on the inside,
Speaker 5: like the actual door that was open. As I'm sitting
Speaker 5: there watching TV. I don't know why, I felt like
Speaker 5: someone or something was standing on the screen door. You
Speaker 5: just I don't know if you've ever felt that presence
Speaker 5: of something just watching you, someone just spy on him.
Speaker 4: And I'm sitting with Yeah, your shoulders or something.
Speaker 5: Right, It's like a weight on your shoulder. You just
Speaker 5: feel something looking at you. And so I naturally just
Speaker 5: turned around to see if there was something there. And
Speaker 5: as soon as I turn my head, all I see
Speaker 5: is just a red cape just sort of soosh past
Speaker 5: the screen door.
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Speaker 5: The best way I could describe it's just a red cake.
Speaker 5: Mind you, I'm like five years old at this time.
Speaker 5: I'm like, Okay, who is this is a superman?
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: Around that time, it was like it was Three Kings
Speaker 5: Day that we celebrate in Puerto Rico. Three Kings Day
Speaker 5: is basically Christmas Part two for us, where we celebrate
Speaker 5: the Avenue Christ and the Mages basically visiting Christ to
Speaker 5: celebrate his birth. This happened around January, so I'm thinking, okay, like,
Speaker 5: the Three Kings are here, cool man, they bring me presents.
Speaker 5: I go outside, I look around the yard and there's
Speaker 5: no one. There's nothing there. And that was my first big,
Speaker 5: I would say, paranormal experience on the island of Puerto Rico.
Speaker 5: And so from then on throughout my childhood, every time
Speaker 5: things would get really difficult in my life, I would
Speaker 5: always recall back to that one moment and it would
Speaker 5: remind me, Man, there's just so much more to this
Speaker 5: life than just the physical. Like there's something there that
Speaker 5: although it could be tangible in another dimension, it's not
Speaker 5: really tangible to us. We can't really understand it. But
Speaker 5: it's just something there.
Speaker 4: So that whole incident.
Speaker 5: Set me on the path that I'm in now and
Speaker 5: trying to understand Puerto Rican culture, Puerto Rican history, and
Speaker 5: how that ties into the grander creation worldview. Well with.
Speaker 2: Like your initiation or first step on the journey, you know,
Speaker 2: I like to pick people's brains, like if they wrote
Speaker 2: a book or done a documentary or something like that,
Speaker 2: there's usually like a lot Buld moment, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, where you're just like that's what I want
Speaker 2: to do, yeah, you know, or something like that. What
Speaker 2: was your light bulb moment to be like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: going to dig into my culture's history and I'm going
Speaker 2: to film this stuff.
Speaker 5: Wow, So you really hit on something here, because all right,
Speaker 5: so this is another story that actually happened to me
Speaker 5: last year. This was another what I believe to be
Speaker 5: a paranormal encounter. And I've never shared this with anyone
Speaker 5: outside of specific people, but I am willing to shirt
Speaker 5: now because I am ready, and I think it does
Speaker 5: provide important context to why I am doing ITTs and
Speaker 5: Legends from als On Haun. One thing that I didn't
Speaker 5: see in the intro is that I've actually served as
Speaker 5: a missionary in countries in South America. So last year
Speaker 5: I actually went on Mississtrip to Guatemala. Guatemala is a
Speaker 5: really interesting country, very like Puerto Rico. Just a lot
Speaker 5: of paranormal stuff and people are also very open to
Speaker 5: talking about it as well. So the light bulb moment
Speaker 5: comes one night last year around February, when I was
Speaker 5: in the middle of Guatemala and we were like deep.
Speaker 5: We were in this Western Highlands is what they call it,
Speaker 5: So this is like almost on the other side towards
Speaker 5: the Pacific.
Speaker 4: So we basically.
Speaker 5: Got off off the plane in Guatemala City, we got
Speaker 5: on a chicken bus and we drove about eight hours
Speaker 5: away from the city through the mountains and we landed
Speaker 5: on the village called Nebah, so we were in nearby.
Speaker 5: We stayed at the mission center that we were at,
Speaker 5: being hosted by just an amazing couple.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to start their names just to protect
Speaker 4: them because.
Speaker 5: What I'm about to explain happen on their property. So
Speaker 5: we had just come back from a service where we
Speaker 5: were praying for people, and I decided, all right, I'm
Speaker 5: going to take off my my blazer and just put
Speaker 5: on my gear and I'm just going to go off
Speaker 5: for our little night hike. And the thing is that
Speaker 5: they had a huge they have a huge property in
Speaker 5: their land where and they have like little hiking trails
Speaker 5: you can go on. There's like a field in the
Speaker 5: middle of this property that you could just go up
Speaker 5: and you could just look at the night stys night
Speaker 5: night sky, and it's beautiful.
Speaker 4: You can see all the stars.
Speaker 5: You know. So I decide, all right, I'm just gonna
Speaker 5: go out there kind of explore at night, see what's up.
Speaker 5: You know. It's a beautiful evening. It's not too hot,
Speaker 5: not too cold. And I had my headlamp on, so
Speaker 5: that was like the only light source I had. In
Speaker 5: the middle of like there's guadam all in forest. So
Speaker 5: as I'm going, I had to walk up a trail
Speaker 5: man made trail, and then veer past the right, and
Speaker 5: then once you veer on the right, there's like a villa.
Speaker 5: And so I'm making mental notes in my mind, and
Speaker 5: I'm thinking, Okay, so if I ever get lost in
Speaker 5: the woods, that's going to be like my landmark, the
Speaker 5: porch light on that villa. So I keep going and
Speaker 5: right before you get to like the section where the
Speaker 5: forest is at there's actually a fence or barbed wire.
Speaker 5: So basically I took the I opened the fence, I
Speaker 5: went into the open part of the forest, and I
Speaker 5: started just walking around beautiful, just exploring, looking at the
Speaker 5: trees at night and just how quiet it was. It
Speaker 5: was kind of scary, but it was like really exciting
Speaker 5: at the same time, just being out there because you
Speaker 5: just can't hear it.
Speaker 2: That's where I find God Man. Yeah, get me out
Speaker 2: in the woods or something like that, and just get
Speaker 2: me a nature something that makes me just feel really small. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, that's where I find God Man every time.
Speaker 4: Amen.
Speaker 5: But I'll tell you on this night, I did not
Speaker 5: find God out there. I know he's there. I know
Speaker 5: he's omni President. So God was there, but I found
Speaker 5: something else, is what I meant to say. So, uh,
Speaker 5: I'm like going around. So I go past the open field,
Speaker 5: start walking across, start looking at the stars, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 5: that's a really nice night. Let me just keep going.
Speaker 5: And as you walk across the field, there's also another
Speaker 5: barbedier fence. So I'm thinking, all right, I'm just gonna
Speaker 5: just loop around, go past the barbarier fence, get on
Speaker 5: the main road, and then come back to the mission
Speaker 5: center and just end the night. As I'm going past
Speaker 5: the second barbedire fence, I close it behind me, and
Speaker 5: as I'm walking up the hill to go into the
Speaker 5: main road, i start hearing rustling of leaves and I'm thinking, okay,
Speaker 5: I'm in the middle of Guatama. I'm by myself, people
Speaker 5: very little people know I'm out here. I don't know
Speaker 5: if maybe this is a dog. I don't know what
Speaker 5: it is, but it was kind of spooking me a
Speaker 5: little bit. So I decide, all right, I don't know
Speaker 5: what this is. I think I'm just gonna go back
Speaker 5: around the other way where I came back, start heading
Speaker 5: back because I don't know what's happening, just to be
Speaker 5: on the safe side, you know. And the time that
Speaker 5: we were at is you know, at night. It's also
Speaker 5: like a lot of drunks and just a drug addicts,
Speaker 5: so it wasn't the safest place at night.
Speaker 4: So I made the white decision to come back.
Speaker 5: As I'm coming back, I'm like, whatever this is, whoever
Speaker 5: this is, they've probably already seen me because I have
Speaker 5: my headlamp on. So I decided to put it on
Speaker 5: the red mode. That way, it could just dim the
Speaker 5: light a little bit, and I slowly start calling back.
Speaker 5: I close the fence behind me, and I start slowly
Speaker 5: walking across the field. And at a certain point, as
Speaker 5: I'm making my way back, I decide to put the
Speaker 5: headline back onto this regular light because I can't see
Speaker 5: where I'm going. Almost twist my leg on a hole
Speaker 5: in the middle of the field. And as I'm walking
Speaker 5: across the field, I don't know how else to explain this,
Speaker 5: but I hear a growl behind my ear, very ominous growl.
Speaker 5: This point, I'm thinking this is an animal. It's just
Speaker 5: like some sort of like spirit. I don't know what's happening.
Speaker 5: At this point, I just started poking it right now.
Speaker 4: As a Christian, yeah, so.
Speaker 5: As a Christian, I'm thinking, Look, I wasn't thinking a time. Look,
Speaker 5: I have the authority of Christ on me. I could
Speaker 5: have just rebuked that. But I'm also human. So at
Speaker 5: that point, FEDG just overtook me because it could be
Speaker 5: a wild animal, so I just start running and running
Speaker 5: and running. At this point, I can't find the second
Speaker 5: fence where I came from, so I ended up jumping
Speaker 5: over the bar boar fence, and I'm trying to find Okay,
Speaker 5: where's the villa with the light source?
Speaker 4: Where is it? Where is it? Where is it?
Speaker 5: I hear another growl and I'm running. Suddenly I see
Speaker 5: the villa up ahead, and because I see the porch light,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, all right, I'm heading the right way.
Speaker 5: I just keep running head back to the mission center,
Speaker 5: and right there, I go back into my room and
Speaker 5: the other guys are looking at me like why is
Speaker 5: this guy out of breath? Like what's happening? Like he
Speaker 5: go out for like a night jog or whatever. And
Speaker 5: I was very open and I told him, look, this
Speaker 5: is what ended up happening to me. Guys like I
Speaker 5: just I cannot explain it. So I got a little curious.
Speaker 5: I you know, my anxiety was hype, but it fell asleep.
Speaker 5: So I got a little curious. A couple of days later,
Speaker 5: maybe a day later, I don't remember the timeframe, but
Speaker 5: I decided to sort of investigate a little bit, and
Speaker 5: I'm like, I wonder if anyone else around here has
Speaker 5: had any weird experiences. So I spoke to one of
Speaker 5: my friends and she's like, yeah, you should speak to
Speaker 5: this other girlfriend of mine, this other one who's on
Speaker 5: the missions trip. She's told me something that she's experienced
Speaker 5: while she was here.
Speaker 4: On the campground.
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, So I pulled her over, I speak
Speaker 5: to her in private, and she tells I tell her
Speaker 5: my experience, like, look, this is what I experienced out
Speaker 5: there when I was out in the field that night.
Speaker 5: And she looks at me like she's like, I gotta
Speaker 5: tell you something, And I said, okay. She says, the
Speaker 5: other night, while I was taking a shower in the villa,
Speaker 5: the window from the shower was open, and she heard
Speaker 5: a growl, but it was outside of the window. Now,
Speaker 5: mind you, she heard this growl outside of the window
Speaker 5: spook to her so much that she practically just didn't
Speaker 5: even finish her shower. She ran back to her room.
Speaker 5: But the interesting part is that this was on a
Speaker 5: second floor window, and there's no ledges underneath this window,
Speaker 5: so that was really weird. So that's somebody else having
Speaker 5: an experience. And then a few days after that, I
Speaker 5: was approached by a couple of other ladies that were
Speaker 5: on the Mississ trip with us, and they told us, Hey,
Speaker 5: were you like hiking out like at five in the
Speaker 5: morning this morning. I was like, what, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: we were out in the field at five in the morning.
Speaker 5: We went to go, you know, pray it and praise
Speaker 5: the Lord, and we thought we saw you.
Speaker 4: We saw you with your cap.
Speaker 5: On, just standing in the middle of the field, just
Speaker 5: looking up into the sky.
Speaker 4: Now I told the story to the Kais.
Speaker 5: I'm like, guys, when have you ever seen me wake
Speaker 5: up at five in the morning and go back out
Speaker 5: into that field? And that's the encounter that I had.
Speaker 5: And so from then on I came back home to
Speaker 5: New York and it just peaked this curiosity in me.
Speaker 5: I'm like, this was really weird. This happened during the
Speaker 5: mission strip. Was there a spiritual connection between what we
Speaker 5: were doing there? And could this have been maybe some
Speaker 5: sort of retribution against maybe whatever principalities were in that area.
Speaker 5: I just can't explain it. That's kind of like my
Speaker 5: personal theory territorial spirit, right. And then from there, I'm like,
Speaker 5: I have to find out what this is. So my
Speaker 5: whole life, I've always had these sort of encounters, and
Speaker 5: so I decided, all right, the best place to start
Speaker 5: at is in my own home country. I wonder if
Speaker 5: they have anything similar with territorial spirits or these sort
Speaker 5: of encounters and stuff like that. And yeah, sure enough,
Speaker 5: there's tons of material in that one island. And so
Speaker 5: that's where the concept of meds and legends from Alsa
Speaker 5: one came from, from that one experience I had last year.
Speaker 5: So you're the first person to have been told that story.
Speaker 2: So there you go, man, I thank you for sharing
Speaker 2: it with me.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, well, when you started looking through these and once
Speaker 2: you started, you know, combing through and if you could
Speaker 2: pick like one that was I don't know, either just
Speaker 2: the craziest, wildest story or like a paradigm shift story.
Speaker 2: I mean, is there is there one that really just
Speaker 2: like blew your mind?
Speaker 5: Between the one I just shared and the one that
Speaker 5: happened to me at five years old, it's.
Speaker 2: Hardly like the missing legends and stuff that you had
Speaker 2: found of the area.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well, you know, I think it's all connected.
Speaker 5: I think, you know, it's it's really hard to choose
Speaker 5: one one or the other because as I've looked in
Speaker 5: Puerto Rico specifically, there's this one thing that I found
Speaker 5: which I'm trying to get some consultation on which I
Speaker 5: have shown to David and he was pretty blown away
Speaker 5: by So I don't want to go too much into
Speaker 5: it because it is like a big spoiler, and I
Speaker 5: do want to reveal it towards the end of the series.
Speaker 5: But I may have found something really really fascinating that
Speaker 5: just it really blew me away and really changed my
Speaker 5: concept of not just the city of San Juan, but
Speaker 5: just Puerto Rico and you know as a whole. So
Speaker 5: in time you'll get to see that. But from what
Speaker 5: I've been doing research on what I've shown David, and
Speaker 5: I'm actually going to be consulting with a lot of
Speaker 5: other people, a lot of people don't know about this,
Speaker 5: which is really crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I was talking about the start of
Speaker 2: the show. That's something that I'm ignorant on. I've not
Speaker 2: really looked into. But like you said, that that's a
Speaker 2: region that is heavily overlooked and it's you know, has
Speaker 2: to be right full of supernatural activity and legends and
Speaker 2: lore and like you said, just put the spiritual stuff
Speaker 2: just to the side, but just all the the pirates
Speaker 2: and the stealing of gold and you know, uh, I'm
Speaker 2: sure there's plenty of stories of pirates crossing each other
Speaker 2: and killing each other and hiding the treasure and died
Speaker 2: before they came back, and their spirits. You know, you
Speaker 2: have all those kind of cool stories throughout the world,
Speaker 2: so I'm sure you had found some in your home
Speaker 2: country too.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: As I said, Puerto Rico is such a beautiful country,
Speaker 5: but it is very underrated and unfortunately there's a lot
Speaker 5: of corruption there and there's just a lot of just
Speaker 5: not so great infrastructure. To this day, there is a
Speaker 5: huge issue with the electrical system, like something.
Speaker 4: Could just stick. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was actually in the middle of one of them
Speaker 5: when I was filming. Actually, I'm going to show it
Speaker 5: off in the second episode where I actually went out
Speaker 5: during the middle of this hurricane and I was just shooting,
Speaker 5: and I was with a buddy of mine at the time,
Speaker 5: and we were just like locked up in the hotel
Speaker 5: and something told me, look.
Speaker 4: We're in Puerto Rico.
Speaker 5: I don't care if there's like asteroids coming. We're going
Speaker 5: to enjoy the strip. And I got some work to do.
Speaker 5: So I took out my camera, put on my backpack,
Speaker 5: put on my my my ring my ring jacket or
Speaker 5: how do you call those, you know, the parks right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: the ponchos there you go. So I put on my
Speaker 5: poncho and we just had it out and sure enough,
Speaker 5: I ended up running into probably one of the most
Speaker 5: fascinating stories I've heard from a local there. So you
Speaker 5: will see that in an episode two, actually illustrated by
Speaker 5: this really cool artists from Egypt called Huda Amien, So
Speaker 5: you'll kind of get to see that story of what
Speaker 5: it is that I discovered during that little excursion that
Speaker 5: I took in the middle of the hurricane. And it's
Speaker 5: fascinating because they really just set the tone for the
Speaker 5: rest of the episode and just to give people backdrop
Speaker 5: a little just a little backdrop of what the episode
Speaker 5: is going to be about. It's going to be exploring
Speaker 5: the spiritual world of Puerto Rico. So we're going to
Speaker 5: be diving into Tiana gods, We're going to be diving
Speaker 5: into local legends, haunted places. We're going to be looking
Speaker 5: into just maybe even your fox stuff and how that
Speaker 5: is potentially connected to just significance of Ol San Juan
Speaker 5: because there is a spiritual significance to it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's all interconnected. Well, if you don't care,
Speaker 2: I know you had released that first episode, but had
Speaker 2: took taken it down. But I recall one of the
Speaker 2: stories was the devil Sentry Box. Yeah, you care to
Speaker 2: tell that to the listener?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 5: So, yeah, that actually that was a really fascinating story
Speaker 5: because I would say, that's even another point in my
Speaker 5: life that really just set the stretjectory for why I'm
Speaker 5: doing the documentary now. When I first heard about the
Speaker 5: double sentry Box, I had just come from youth group,
Speaker 5: the church youth group. And I know this is gonna
Speaker 5: sound really weird, but I would come back from church
Speaker 5: youth group on Friday nights and then I would come home.
Speaker 5: I would just lay in my bed and I will
Speaker 5: turn on the History Channel, and on the History Channel,
Speaker 5: I don't know if you remember this, but they would
Speaker 5: give like a little marathon on the show called Haunted History,
Speaker 5: and Haunted History would basically visit different cities across America
Speaker 5: and it basically just recount like the haunted history of
Speaker 5: like certain cities or monuments or just things like that.
Speaker 5: So one really late Friday night, I was just laying
Speaker 5: in bed, must have been like one two in the morning,
Speaker 5: and they had done an episode on Puerto Rico and
Speaker 5: I'm like, I have to watch this, like this is cool.
Speaker 4: I wonder what they have.
Speaker 5: In Puerto Rico and behold, one of the segments that
Speaker 5: they had on that episode was the devil Sentry Box.
Speaker 5: This is probably one of my favorite legends from Puerto
Speaker 5: Rican lore because it's just really fast.
Speaker 4: I don't know why. It just captivated me when I
Speaker 4: was a kid.
Speaker 2: And a century box is basically, for those that don't know,
Speaker 2: is like a guard's watch tower.
Speaker 5: Right right, Yeah, it is a guard's watch tower. And
Speaker 5: so this guard's watch tower is basically considered the oldest
Speaker 5: part of the.
Speaker 4: I want to say.
Speaker 5: It's called the Castillo Cristoval, which is the Saint Christopher
Speaker 5: Fort in Puerto Rico, which I believe it's considered the
Speaker 5: largest fort Spanish built fort Indie America's this thing.
Speaker 4: You go inside.
Speaker 5: This thing is huge, but it was even bigger back
Speaker 5: in the day. But unfortunately, due to development and erosion,
Speaker 5: much of the fort has been taken down, you know,
Speaker 5: has been demolished and stuff like that. So when you
Speaker 5: go to San Juan now you basically have just a
Speaker 5: small portion of that fort, which is still huge.
Speaker 4: You can go in there.
Speaker 5: You pay like ten bucks. You can explore the whole
Speaker 5: fort fort for the day and it's really fascinating. But
Speaker 5: going back to the Devil sentry box, the double sentry
Speaker 5: box is the oldest part of that fort, and you
Speaker 5: could tell the difference between like the architecture where a
Speaker 5: lot of it in the newer part of the fort.
Speaker 5: You see it's all built with like stone and bricks
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. But then this portion of the fort,
Speaker 5: I want to say, it's probably cement or some sort
Speaker 5: of like sediment, but it just looks so radically different
Speaker 5: from the rest of the fort, and it's really isolated too.
Speaker 5: So the story goes and one day, this happened in
Speaker 5: the fifteen hundreds, when the Spanish were occupying Puerto Rico,
Speaker 5: there was a man who was posted on that sentry
Speaker 5: box and every night he would singing songs on his
Speaker 5: guitar and he would just play songs on his guitar
Speaker 5: and the guards would basically listen to him, and that
Speaker 5: was like his their indicator of Okay, this guy is
Speaker 5: like in his post, no problem. This was the common occurrence.
Speaker 5: Every night he would come in, he would settling his post,
Speaker 5: he would play his guitar.
Speaker 4: He was singing.
Speaker 5: Then when the shift was done in the morning, he
Speaker 5: would just head back out to his barracks and.
Speaker 4: That's a game over.
Speaker 5: One night, the guards were walking around and they hear
Speaker 5: this blood curling scream come from from the sentry box,
Speaker 5: and they're wondering, okay, are we under attack?
Speaker 4: Who coming? Now?
Speaker 5: The English, the French, the Dutch? Are pirates attacking? What's happening?
Speaker 5: Are we being ambushed? So they all run down to
Speaker 5: the sentry box. The story says that when they get
Speaker 5: to the sentry box, the guard is no longer found,
Speaker 5: and so they believe or rather they saw just his
Speaker 5: uniform on the floor, a broken guitar, and his weapon
Speaker 5: on the floor. But a really particular detail in that
Speaker 5: story was the smell of sofur. The guards explained that
Speaker 5: they smell the smell of sufur inside of the sentry box.
Speaker 5: So to this day, a lot of people don't know
Speaker 5: what happened to the guard. They don't know if maybe he.
Speaker 4: Deserted his position, maybe the devil himself took him.
Speaker 5: I've heard stories of that specific guard box guard tower
Speaker 5: being maybe a place where portal opened up and he
Speaker 5: just fell into it. For maybe even suicide stories I
Speaker 5: have heard. The story itself is not real, but it
Speaker 5: is just so fascinating to me, and that kind of
Speaker 5: just opens up another world spiritually of portals being in
Speaker 5: Puerto Rico. Could there be portals to other dimensions in
Speaker 5: Puerto Rico? I mean, we hear those kind of stories
Speaker 5: from the Ufoon encounters. Just these different cryptis that are
Speaker 5: showing up. Even you go to other monuments, you're seeing
Speaker 5: spirits showing.
Speaker 4: Up and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: Could these potentially be maybe other beings, all the worldly
Speaker 5: beings that are sort of entering our dimension and trying
Speaker 5: to disrupt whatever is happening in our side of the realm.
Speaker 5: And we're going to get into the double sentry box
Speaker 5: and all that stuff in the second episode more in detail.
Speaker 5: But it's something that I've always found really fascinating, just
Speaker 5: that whole realm of spiritual portals in Puerto Rico. And
Speaker 5: just sticking to that topic, my wife and I we
Speaker 5: were in my family's property many years ago, I think
Speaker 5: this must have been twenty nineteen, and we had just
Speaker 5: come back from just an excursion on the island that day,
Speaker 5: and so we hopped out of the car and my
Speaker 5: family lives like in the middle of nowhere. They live
Speaker 5: on the mountains, so living on the mountains, and so
Speaker 5: we naturally just like to head up on top of
Speaker 5: the hill because my family lives on Their home is
Speaker 5: on top of the like probably one of the tallest
Speaker 5: mountains in that region. So when you get out, you
Speaker 5: could just see the entire just the valley and everything.
Speaker 4: It's beautiful.
Speaker 5: So my wife and I we get out, you know,
Speaker 5: we're enjoying the sunset.
Speaker 4: But on that day, it was.
Speaker 5: Really weird because the sky it wasn't like I don't
Speaker 5: think it was sunny. I think it was like partly
Speaker 5: cloudy on like one side of the country, and then
Speaker 5: like behind us it was sunny. Because Puerto Rico is
Speaker 5: like that, like you'll literally drive around the island and
Speaker 5: there's parts of the island that are just super cloudy
Speaker 5: and just rainy, and then like the other side will
Speaker 5: be just completely sunny. So it's like one of those days.
Speaker 5: So we get out, we're looking over the valley, we're
Speaker 5: looking at the clouds, and my wife looks up and
Speaker 5: she's like, hey, what's that. What's that in the sky,
Speaker 5: And I'm like where and she points like right there,
Speaker 5: and she sees what looks like these two objects just
Speaker 5: flying in front of the clouds. And it's weird because
Speaker 5: as they're flying, you're seeing this partying in the cloud
Speaker 5: just open and inside of the cloud. It looks really
Speaker 5: like orange and like a golden orange. And these two
Speaker 5: objects just go inside of this party in the cloud
Speaker 5: and just closes back up.
Speaker 2: Oh wow. Yeah, and you both saw this.
Speaker 4: We both saw this. Oh saw that.
Speaker 5: And I'll share with you another story that happened on
Speaker 5: that exact same spots. So on that exact same spot,
Speaker 5: on another night that we were there. I think this
Speaker 5: must have happened before that incident, but on that night
Speaker 5: we were both just stargazing. So again, out there, it's
Speaker 5: just open country. You're looking at stars. We're laying down
Speaker 5: the middle of the road, and there's no cars that
Speaker 5: pass through there at night. It's a very just isolated
Speaker 5: part of the island. So I bring on my camera.
Speaker 5: I'm taking pictures of the stars, you know, doing some
Speaker 5: sort of like you know, low exposure photography, and we
Speaker 5: hear this scream from like one of the just coming
Speaker 5: from like the other side of the mountain.
Speaker 4: Just a guy just go just echoes throughout the mountain side,
Speaker 4: and we're thinking, what was that?
Speaker 5: Probably just some couple of guys like on the other
Speaker 5: side of the mountain having fun, because like a mile
Speaker 5: or two or three down the road, there's like this
Speaker 5: big strip of restaurants and bars where people tend to
Speaker 5: party on Saturday the night. So we're thinking, maybe it's
Speaker 5: just a couple of dudes just having fun and screaming out.
Speaker 4: And then.
Speaker 5: As I turn around to look at my wife who
Speaker 5: was standing behind me, I see this little white wisp
Speaker 5: just go right past her and.
Speaker 4: Just completely disappears.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, did I just.
Speaker 4: I just saw that it was just a white, just wisp.
Speaker 5: And mind you, it's pitch black. The only the only
Speaker 5: light source is like the moon and the stars, and
Speaker 5: I just see this white wisp just sort of materialized
Speaker 5: behind her and then just disappears, like just a cloud
Speaker 5: of smoke.
Speaker 4: It was really weird, and.
Speaker 2: It was in conjunction with the scream. Like you heard
Speaker 2: the scream, you look back to her, Yeah, this was
Speaker 2: and that's when it happens.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this has happened literally just a few seconds after
Speaker 5: we heard the scream. After we heard the scream, I
Speaker 5: turned back at my wife and I'm thinking, what was that.
Speaker 5: We might've heard the scream a second time. I don't,
Speaker 5: I'm not too sure, but I just know that we
Speaker 5: just heard a scream and then one of the times
Speaker 5: and I just saw like a white wisp just it
Speaker 5: was almost like it was just floating, floating on the
Speaker 5: road just right behind her. And I told her, hey,
Speaker 5: I just saw something behind you. It just disappeared, and
Speaker 5: she just got so really creeped out. She's like, I
Speaker 5: want to run back to the house, like I'm not
Speaker 5: doing this, And me, being the crazy guy that.
Speaker 4: Am, I was like, I want to check this out.
Speaker 4: Let's see what this.
Speaker 5: Is, you know, And so of course, you know, I
Speaker 5: had to listen to the wife. Man, I'm like, all right, fine,
Speaker 5: let's go back inside the house. And yeah, that that
Speaker 5: was just really weird. And that happened right in that
Speaker 5: same property where we saw those two flying objects go
Speaker 5: into that party in the cloud, which is really fascinating.
Speaker 5: I also had another encounter there when I was younger
Speaker 5: as well, on that same spot, which is really weird.
Speaker 5: I guess I can add into that because I think
Speaker 5: there's just something there. So when I was a kid,
Speaker 5: this was it must have been around eight. I think
Speaker 5: I was like eight years old. My parents have sent
Speaker 5: me to Puerto Rico one summer. I think they were
Speaker 5: like having like memorial issues, and so in order to
Speaker 5: just sort of like get us out of the house
Speaker 5: and away from that, they just decided to send us
Speaker 5: with our family for the summer.
Speaker 4: So I was hanging out.
Speaker 5: I was with my aunt and uncle, and so there's
Speaker 5: a tradition on Saturday nights where most people on the
Speaker 5: island go to Catholic church. Now over here in the States,
Speaker 5: we tend to have Catholic masks on Sundays. When Puerto
Speaker 5: Rico is very popular to then have Catholic masks on
Speaker 5: a Saturday night, and then after the Mass is finished,
Speaker 5: then you go out and party and drink and do
Speaker 5: all that. Oh that don't holy stuff, right, So you know,
Speaker 5: that's just how we are as Puerto Ricans.
Speaker 2: I've cleans the temple to dirty it up again.
Speaker 5: That's right there you go, man, It's like Marty Graut
Speaker 5: every weekend. So yeah, my and an uncle had just
Speaker 5: taken us to the Mass and we came out, and
Speaker 5: so we had this little tradition. As soon as they
Speaker 5: came out of church. They would take us to a
Speaker 5: local bakery. We got a little sugar doughnut, and then
Speaker 5: we used to have some quick, some chocolate quick. They
Speaker 5: used to call it quick back in the day. Now
Speaker 5: it's called nest quick or I don't even know what
Speaker 5: it's called now. It was chocol mill. It was like
Speaker 5: my favorite treat ever. And they're like, all right, now
Speaker 5: that we got settled, we got our snacks for the night,
Speaker 5: let's head back on to the property. So we would
Speaker 5: drive up the mountain about like a nice little fifteen
Speaker 5: minute drive. It's so dark you can't barely even see
Speaker 5: the hand in front of you, and so the only
Speaker 5: light source is maybe just a couple of like lamp
Speaker 5: posts spread across the road and just you know, the
Speaker 5: lights on your car. And so we ended up pulling
Speaker 5: up to the property. We went into the garage, and
Speaker 5: I decided just to go out to the top of
Speaker 5: the hill, the same spot where the first two stories
Speaker 5: took place at I'm like, huh, it's really nice, Like
Speaker 5: I don't know why I'm being drawn to this area.
Speaker 5: So I walk up to the area, to the top
Speaker 5: of the hill where we're at, and at this time,
Speaker 5: there used to be not anymore because right in this day,
Speaker 5: I think they had cleared out the area where the
Speaker 5: lot is at out. But when I was younger, that
Speaker 5: a lot did not exist. It was all just forced
Speaker 5: from top to bottoms, just all trees and just high
Speaker 5: blade grass.
Speaker 4: And all that stuff. I don't know why.
Speaker 5: It's like, I feel like something's drawing me to this place.
Speaker 5: I don't know what it is, but I feel like
Speaker 5: I just need to stand here and I need to
Speaker 5: look into the forest. So I was standing in that
Speaker 5: area and I'm looking. I'm like, okay, it's like, why
Speaker 5: am I looking into the deep dark recess of this forest?
Speaker 5: And I'm looking, and I'm looking, and I'm looking and
Speaker 5: I'm looking. And sure enough, as I start looking closer
Speaker 5: in the back of the forest, not too far, like
Speaker 5: it's pretty close to me.
Speaker 4: I would say it was about.
Speaker 5: Maybe fifty sixty feet away from like the edge of
Speaker 5: the forest, I see a pair of red eyes. And
Speaker 5: this pair of red eyes they're right behind just the
Speaker 5: tall blade of grass. So whatever I was looking at
Speaker 5: wasn't too huge.
Speaker 4: It must have been about maybe three four feet.
Speaker 5: But I noticed that as I'm looking at this pair
Speaker 5: of red eyes, I'm noticing that this thing is not
Speaker 5: standing still. It's rather it's almost like swang from side
Speaker 5: to side, and of course it naturally freaks me out
Speaker 5: and I just run.
Speaker 4: Back to the house.
Speaker 5: I locked myself in the little dormitory next to the
Speaker 5: garage where I was sleeping at and I could not
Speaker 5: sleep for the rest of the night. So the next day,
Speaker 5: my uncle takes me to Blockbuster. They had a Blockbuster
Speaker 5: at the time. Yeah, you remember those glory.
Speaker 2: Days, bed please rewind.
Speaker 5: Yeah, although I wasn't always kind, I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 5: but then again, I'm not the one who held the account.
Speaker 5: I didn't care, so but yeah, we went to a
Speaker 5: Blockbuster and I'm like, looking for like movies, and I enter.
Speaker 5: I think they had like a paranormal section and they
Speaker 5: had a VHS on Puerto Rico and the paranormal documentary
Speaker 5: specifically ons and I'm like, hey, that looks like the
Speaker 5: thing I saw last night. So of course I let
Speaker 5: my uncle. My uncle is he's amazing, he's awesome. He's like, hey,
Speaker 5: you want to watch that? Yeah, sure, take it out.
Speaker 5: And I must have spend the entire night, like over
Speaker 5: that weekend just rewatching this documentary, And this is the
Speaker 5: documentary that thin the guy I had mentioned before. This
Speaker 5: was the guy who had produced a documentary, and they
Speaker 5: showed off a lot of the takata attacks on the island.
Speaker 5: And as I'm watching it, I'm noticing, Hey, this like
Speaker 5: this is like sharing very similar characteristics to what I
Speaker 5: had seen the night before. She's really fascinating, just the
Speaker 5: red eyes thing that it sways, one particular story that
Speaker 5: really caught my attention from that documentary but I could
Speaker 5: recall correctly, was the story of a guy who had
Speaker 5: seen the creature on his property, and it was a
Speaker 5: really crazy story. I think he got freaked out and
Speaker 5: he pulled out his pistols started shooting at it, and
Speaker 5: this thing just wrapped itself up into a ball and
Speaker 5: basically just rolled behind his car into the garage.
Speaker 4: Just crazy stuff.
Speaker 5: And this, like documentary just Phil was just just some
Speaker 5: really crazy testimonies from people on the island who were
Speaker 5: witnessing this thing around that same time.
Speaker 4: So all this was happening during.
Speaker 5: Like that whole craze, you know, Like I would say,
Speaker 5: Puerto Rico has always had like a paranormal craze. Like
Speaker 5: there's even stories like in the seventies and stuff like
Speaker 5: in the nineties around that was like that was it.
Speaker 2: It was world news.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was talk that.
Speaker 5: That's when people they realize, wait, there's a country called
Speaker 5: Puerto Rico. What That's when it got really like started
Speaker 5: popping off.
Speaker 2: M And uh do you think with all this stuff?
Speaker 2: Of course, I mean, I'm sure you do. But I
Speaker 2: was about to say, do you think there's like a
Speaker 2: lot of spiritual connections behind this, because I know you'd
Speaker 2: mentioned all the uh the witch doctors, the voodoo and
Speaker 2: would you say Saint Uh? Is that like that the
Speaker 2: Hispanic angel of death? Like that they worship her?
Speaker 5: Am I getting So, I know, I'm not too familiar
Speaker 5: with that in Puertoco. Han't done my researcher yet on that,
Speaker 5: but I know that they have a a goddess of death.
Speaker 5: I know, like if you go to like Mexico, they
Speaker 5: have the something what Day.
Speaker 4: I believe it.
Speaker 2: Is what I was thinking.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there's probably something similar in Puerto Rico to
Speaker 5: somethime what they ask which is the patron saint of death.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, all that stuff is all connected.
Speaker 5: It's just a mix of like Catholicism and voodoo and
Speaker 5: bamyom be. It's just a really dark world. I'm not
Speaker 5: sure if I want to go too deep into it
Speaker 5: even in my research, because in the past that I've
Speaker 5: done research on the occult, it hasn't like ended too
Speaker 5: well for me. And praise God, he brought me out
Speaker 5: of that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, all that.
Speaker 5: Stuff is all interconnected. There's just been a lot of influences,
Speaker 5: especially during the time period where we are exploring the
Speaker 5: documentary of myths and legends from most On Juan. A
Speaker 5: lot of that stuff takes place majority in the fifteen
Speaker 5: sixteen hundreds, seventeen hundreds, where you had just you know,
Speaker 5: you had the slave trade, you had the Catholic Church
Speaker 5: coming in and building their own churches and sort of
Speaker 5: you know, structuring the island to their preferences and stuff
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, all that stuff, even like the the
Speaker 3: the genocide of the Tinos, like, all that stuff is
Speaker 3: all connected on a spiritual level.
Speaker 5: It's really fascinating. It's tragic, but also really fascinating in
Speaker 5: that sense. And that's why I, like, I do believe
Speaker 5: that all this stuff is just just this huge spiritual
Speaker 5: warfare that has been playing out on the island for
Speaker 5: just a long long time.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm a big giants guy. Yeah, that's kind of
Speaker 2: what got me into this, you know, fringe space. That
Speaker 2: was my my gateway drug as some people say. Uh,
Speaker 2: and that's something that I've found this nation or not nation,
Speaker 2: but global. How about said nation? Why? But you know
Speaker 2: it's global. Every single culture throughout history has stories of giants.
Speaker 2: Have you found any giants down there in San Juan
Speaker 2: or Puerto Rico or just anywhere in one of those
Speaker 2: chains of islands.
Speaker 5: I'll have to get back to you on that, but
Speaker 5: that's actually really interesting. I'm actually gonna be having a
Speaker 5: phone call with what have I been this week so
Speaker 5: I could ask them about that. See we's found anything.
Speaker 5: If I find anything, absolutely, I'll let you know. But yeah,
Speaker 5: that's really interesting. I know there was a guest in
Speaker 5: the past who you brought on who spoke about giants
Speaker 5: in Aruba, which was really fascinating.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I.
Speaker 5: Wouldn't be surprised if there are giant things in Puerto Rico.
Speaker 5: I mean, you find anything in Puerto Rico just about.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's not one thing at this point that
Speaker 5: I don't think you can find there. So giants is
Speaker 5: very plausible, especially with the Tainos and them having just
Speaker 5: a lot of legends and stories of giants. I wouldn't
Speaker 5: put it past anybody yet.
Speaker 2: M Yeah, that's definitely something that's always been just I've
Speaker 2: been personally fascinated with. And Heather Arnold she found all
Speaker 2: kinds of cool stuff down there in Aruba, and you
Speaker 2: know that's you know, I mean it's not like next
Speaker 2: door neighbors, but I mean we're talking about a good
Speaker 2: general vicinity right right there. That was kind of like
Speaker 2: a springboard I think for a lot of cultures. Because
Speaker 2: I'm a diffusionist. I think we were selling the seas
Speaker 2: and trading and exploring and doing all this stuff thousands
Speaker 2: of years before Columbus, and a lot of the natural tides,
Speaker 2: like from Europe and Africa leads straight into you know, Cuba,
Speaker 2: Aruba and down there in that Gulf of Mexico area
Speaker 2: and these guys, you know, like Columbus and I can't
Speaker 2: remember that guy's name now that Heather had found, but
Speaker 2: she found some of his journals and he was talking
Speaker 2: about the giants that they encountered and all this stuff,
Speaker 2: and then how they were just bouncing around Island Island
Speaker 2: and some of them, you know, were cannibals, and and
Speaker 2: that this that area was honestly just because even how
Speaker 2: the tides took these sailors there and then they springboarded
Speaker 2: to South America, to North America and just kind of
Speaker 2: went around. So I think that's a high potential for
Speaker 2: just a shmortgash board of cultures and legends and stories
Speaker 2: and even the giants, you know, because they took their
Speaker 2: ships over here. I believe the phnicians.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean, as we were talking about it,
Speaker 5: even in the beginning, they you know, the Nozariro collection,
Speaker 5: like that's not, at least from what I've seen the research,
Speaker 5: like that's not native to Puerto Rico. Just to just
Speaker 5: find that in the middle of nowhere, like stuff that
Speaker 5: has possible traces to like the Middle East, Like what
Speaker 5: is that stuff doing there? And to this day, no
Speaker 5: one's been able to decipher the actual like language of
Speaker 5: those stones. And again take this with a grain of salt.
Speaker 5: I also believe that they have done some like studies
Speaker 5: on the material and it's not native.
Speaker 4: To Puerto Rico.
Speaker 5: She's really fascinating, but again, don't quote me on that,
Speaker 5: Like I do advice your audience do all your own research,
Speaker 5: Like take everything that I'm saying with a grain of salt.
Speaker 5: You know, my word is not gospel, but you know,
Speaker 5: look into this stuff, and yeah, you might be surprised
Speaker 5: with like the stuff that you find out about this country.
Speaker 5: It's it's incredibly fascinating. Like Puerto rican I always call
Speaker 5: it like a Petri dish, right, Petri dish of just
Speaker 5: so many different experiments when it comes to just you know,
Speaker 5: the grander creation worldview. You want ghosts, you want giants,
Speaker 5: you want any of that, You're gonna find it there
Speaker 5: most likely. It's such a fascinating country. And if you
Speaker 5: really want to like understand just how God plays into
Speaker 5: sort of the world in terms of like how he
Speaker 5: engages with like pagan societies or how he engages with
Speaker 5: just all of these different cosmic forces that are at large,
Speaker 5: Like it's all on that one island. It's if you
Speaker 5: want to start, like if you want like a really
Speaker 5: good starting point, like starting Puerto Rico.
Speaker 4: Puerto Rico is just just so fascinating.
Speaker 5: And there's so many stories that I can't even like
Speaker 5: count them off the top of my head because they've
Speaker 5: just been going on for thousands of years, thousands of years,
Speaker 5: just relentless, like you had Tinos, and even like modern
Speaker 5: day people having these just really interesting experiences.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: One thing that stands out to me is just because
Speaker 2: where I know Chief Joseph, you know, me and him
Speaker 2: is pretty good friends. And he lives just you know,
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes down the road from me. But he was
Speaker 2: talking to me and he gets worked up over Columbus,
Speaker 2: you know, even at the interview that we've done together,
Speaker 2: and his wife talked about it, and it was like
Speaker 2: his wife was like, you know, if any of your
Speaker 2: listeners or teachers stop perpetuate perpetuating this live Christopher Columbus
Speaker 2: and Joseph, he said, yeah, he said it was my people.
Speaker 2: He said that welcome don with open arms. He said
Speaker 2: they were starving and about to die thirst He said,
Speaker 2: our people was the ones that met them on the
Speaker 2: beach and took them in and fed them and watered them,
Speaker 2: and you know, he said, helped them and all this stuff.
Speaker 2: He said. Knowing what we know now, he said, he said,
Speaker 2: I'd go back and tell my ancestors to burn their ships.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Man, And that was something that was really interesting
Speaker 5: in the first episode we saw that animated portion. That's
Speaker 5: something that we try to represent, you know, just the
Speaker 5: whole relationship with the Tainos and the Spanish who came
Speaker 5: in and eventually colonized the entire island, and truth to
Speaker 5: be told, that's still a really sore spot for a
Speaker 5: lot of Puerto Ricans to this day. They had a
Speaker 5: lot of them on a cultural leve will have just
Speaker 5: a huge distrust for the government. And yeah, rightfully so
Speaker 5: there's been a lot of abuses from just both the
Speaker 5: local government and just even the government here on the mainland.
Speaker 5: Just a lot of just abuse and finances. In fact,
Speaker 5: there was a secon in that first episode where I
Speaker 5: showed off just the handling of how they handled Hurricane Maria,
Speaker 5: which was like the worst hurricane at the country's ever had,
Speaker 5: and the fact that they held back so many resources.
Speaker 4: I don't know why.
Speaker 5: I don't know if maybe they didn't have enough manpower,
Speaker 5: I don't know, if they were like incompetent, like all
Speaker 5: this stuff, Like I showed the news footage and all
Speaker 5: this stuff was just locked away like in storage for like.
Speaker 4: A whole year.
Speaker 5: Meanwhile, you have Puerto rican Sta till this day have
Speaker 5: not recovered from the damage of the storm, Like a
Speaker 5: lot of them lost their businesses, they lost their homes,
Speaker 5: and even there are even still parts of the island
Speaker 5: that have not recovered, like they're still trying to get
Speaker 5: the electricity up.
Speaker 4: It's really bad.
Speaker 5: And so a lot of that those wounds, you know,
Speaker 5: they stemmed from that time period with Christopher Columbus, with
Speaker 5: Juan Pons de Leon, where they came in and they say, hey,
Speaker 5: you know what we're going to bring in our kingdom,
Speaker 5: you know, to you little people, quote unquote, and there's
Speaker 5: nothing you could do about it.
Speaker 4: And that's just been.
Speaker 5: A wound that has lingered on for centuries now, and
Speaker 5: it really is tragic to just see a lot of
Speaker 5: people on the island still have that attitude.
Speaker 4: But one thing that.
Speaker 5: I see from the Puerto Rican people is that they
Speaker 5: are extremely resilient, man, Like these are people that you
Speaker 5: just can't break them, like history has tried to break them.
Speaker 5: And yet you still go out there into the island
Speaker 5: and these people are still enjoying our lives. You know,
Speaker 5: they go out with their families, they go out and party,
Speaker 5: they go.
Speaker 4: Out to restaurants.
Speaker 5: You know, they still have their faith and it's really
Speaker 5: just an incredible thing to see, you know, and it's
Speaker 5: it's good when when it's really a cool testimony to
Speaker 5: see when you see just an abuse of people that
Speaker 5: just has happened for hundreds of years, and then even
Speaker 5: then you're still choosing to say, no, that's not going
Speaker 5: to define.
Speaker 4: Us, like this is who we are, this is who
Speaker 4: our culture are, and that's it, you know.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that was my little, like I guess, my
Speaker 5: words of passion for Puerto Rico.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I couldn't imagine because I mean, honestly, like you said,
Speaker 2: I mean, with all the storms that they get down there.
Speaker 2: I mean, these people probably if they live long enough,
Speaker 2: you know, if they live to sixty or seventy, you know,
Speaker 2: they get a good hurricane at least every decade. Could
Speaker 2: you imagine? I mean, I couldn't imagine having to totally
Speaker 2: just rebuild my entire life, my home, everything, every you know,
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen years for storms.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I might be able to do it once after
Speaker 2: the second one, man, I'd be like I'm getting the
Speaker 2: al out agree.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Now a lot of people can't handle Puerto Rico, even
Speaker 5: a lot of people who like move here, from like
Speaker 5: the mainland, Like Puerto Ricans that moved from the mainland
Speaker 5: they go to Puerto Rico, they're like, yeah, after six
Speaker 5: months of like, yeah, I can't handle this, Like yeah,
Speaker 5: island of enchantment, what now you know? But it really is,
Speaker 5: like I think it just takes a certain character, like
Speaker 5: for me being raised on the island and like having
Speaker 5: lived in New York for such a long time, I
Speaker 5: do see a lot of the cons in Puerto Rico.
Speaker 5: It's not for everybody, but man, trust me when I
Speaker 5: tell you, Like, if you just go there and you
Speaker 5: visit once, the chances are you're not want to not
Speaker 5: gonna want to come back. And everything that the country
Speaker 5: has to offer, Man, it just outweighs so many of
Speaker 5: the negatives because you're practically at peace. Like Puerto Rico's
Speaker 5: like an island where yeah, okay, like it's not perfect,
Speaker 5: but for the most part, people are very loving, people
Speaker 5: are very gracious.
Speaker 4: There's a big move of.
Speaker 5: God, even on the island where a lot of the
Speaker 5: older generations would hold on really strict to like Catholicism,
Speaker 5: and lately they've been moving Like the younger generation, I've
Speaker 5: noticed it has been moving more towards like Protestantism.
Speaker 4: She's really encouraging to see.
Speaker 5: And so just to see a lot of younger people
Speaker 5: embrace the message of gospel and just be so passionate
Speaker 5: about it is really cool. So yeah, I'm really hopeful
Speaker 5: for the future of Puerto Rico.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And honestly, I think that has a lot to
Speaker 2: do with just roots and what you get used to.
Speaker 2: And because I hear people all the time. I mean,
Speaker 2: every place has its pros and its cons. But even
Speaker 2: our mutual friend La Marzouli, I've talked to him several
Speaker 2: times about, you know, moving because I mean he lost
Speaker 2: everything in a fire, and every couple of years, those
Speaker 2: Santa Ana wins down there in California, you know, lare
Speaker 2: up and he has to evacuate and wait and hope
Speaker 2: that he doesn't, you know, get burned out again and
Speaker 2: all the just the politics and the drugs and the
Speaker 2: crime and all that stuff California. But people just they
Speaker 2: love it, man, they don't want to leave. But I've
Speaker 2: told La, I'm like, man, I've moved Tennessee or something.
Speaker 2: You guys are fighting these fires every year, and He's like, no,
Speaker 2: this is my home. I ain't going nowhere. I love
Speaker 2: it here.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's hard to argue that too. I mean it's
Speaker 5: also based on conviction.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: Sometimes God causes to move away, and God says, no,
Speaker 5: this is your battleground. Like you have to stand here
Speaker 5: and just remember that even though you are in this
Speaker 5: region of the planet, this is not your permanent home.
Speaker 5: This is more just like your mission center. This is
Speaker 5: just like your area of missions. You know, your true
Speaker 5: home is in the Kingdom of God. And so when
Speaker 5: you start adopting that mindset, which as Christians we should
Speaker 5: all adopt that mindset right for His kingdom is not
Speaker 5: of this world, it becomes a lot easier to sort
Speaker 5: of digest a lot of the trials that come our
Speaker 5: way where the region where they're personal, you know. So
Speaker 5: it can be really difficult, you know, because as Christians,
Speaker 5: we want better and we know that God wants better
Speaker 5: for us. But at the same time we also have
Speaker 5: to recognize now, like this is the place that God
Speaker 5: has me in, and if God feels like He's going
Speaker 5: to use me in this place even though I don't
Speaker 5: want to be in it, then I have to be
Speaker 5: obedient to that. Like you look at the story of Daniel,
Speaker 5: Daniel who's stuck in Babylon, and even then he reigned
Speaker 5: like God blessed him, even in that place of wickedness,
Speaker 5: right to the point where he became the mouthpiece of
Speaker 5: God in that place, and many people repented before God
Speaker 5: because of him. And so I always like to look
Speaker 5: at that story, and because I you know, I live
Speaker 5: in New York City and it's not the most ideal place.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, there's a.
Speaker 5: Lot of cool restaurants, you have the MTA. It's easy
Speaker 5: to get to work and to go here and there.
Speaker 5: But then like when I hear, oh man, you're from Tennessee,
Speaker 5: like you can do what I wish I could do
Speaker 5: that up here, the most I can get is just
Speaker 5: a pepper spray, and even then, like I might have
Speaker 5: to register that as well. But it can be tough.
Speaker 5: But when you start taking to perspective like I have,
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't normally tell this to people, but
Speaker 5: you know, there's times where I'll see homeless people and
Speaker 5: I'll just buy them a meal, you know, and just
Speaker 5: bless them and pray for them. And I remember when
Speaker 5: COVID came in and the city just went crazy with
Speaker 5: lockdowns and all that, and they were telling people.
Speaker 4: Hey, stand six feet apar or you're.
Speaker 5: Gonna die, Like I was out there feeding homeless guys,
Speaker 5: hugging them, praying for them, like I was just doing
Speaker 5: this on my own because I felt like, hey, like
Speaker 5: where all the Christian guys, Like where's everybody? Like the
Speaker 5: churches are shutting down, Like who's going to take up
Speaker 5: the gospel during these days where like everybody's just bailing out.
Speaker 5: And so I decided, you know, I have nobody's gonna
Speaker 5: do it. I'm gonna go out there and iver. I
Speaker 5: have to put my life in danger and so be it.
Speaker 5: And I feel like the Lord has responded to me
Speaker 5: from that season and he's rewarded me because of that obedience.
Speaker 5: And was it easy to do at the time, No,
Speaker 5: it wasn't because at that time, had it been caught,
Speaker 5: you know, hugging a homeless guy, you know, when they
Speaker 5: were telling us, hey, six feet apart and praying for them,
Speaker 5: I probably could have been arrested. But I didn't care
Speaker 5: because I knew that the desire and the mission that
Speaker 5: the Lord had put in my heart was more important
Speaker 5: than any earthly power and any earthly threat, you know,
Speaker 5: threat at that time. So yeah, you know, Christian Christians
Speaker 5: in the big cities are man, they've built different.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know how we do it.
Speaker 5: Man, Like we can be pretty on fire for God,
Speaker 5: because at that choice, you know, we don't have a choice.
Speaker 5: It's like either you stake, you know, either you gold
Speaker 5: out or you just get stumped out. And I'd rather
Speaker 5: go out. And if I get stumped a while going out,
Speaker 5: so be it.
Speaker 4: Man, m yep.
Speaker 2: And not only that too, just the unsurty of the time.
Speaker 2: All you had was all the news stations and stuff
Speaker 2: were all you know, hook line and sinker and pitching
Speaker 2: the same thing, and everybody was saying, you know, you're
Speaker 2: gonna die, You're gonna die, you know if you don't
Speaker 2: get what was it Biden said, if you don't get
Speaker 2: your vaccines, it's going to be a long, dark winner
Speaker 2: of death for the unvaccinated. And so it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: especially in the beginning, everybody was scared of death, you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that hug or feeding that homeless guy, you know,
Speaker 2: could have potentially been your death in your mind at
Speaker 2: that time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's very true, you know, And it's funny because
Speaker 5: at the beginning when it's all started. I actually I
Speaker 5: believe it was COVID because it was really weird, because
Speaker 5: a lot of people are saying it was just the flu.
Speaker 5: But I'm like, I've never had a flu like this before.
Speaker 5: And I remember one night I just like got out
Speaker 5: of bed and I just started shivering and shivering and shivering.
Speaker 5: I'm like, why am I like convulsively?
Speaker 4: What is going on?
Speaker 5: And I'm trying to like drink water and I'm coughing,
Speaker 5: and I started coughing so hard that I started actually
Speaker 5: spitting out blood, vomiting blood to the sink, and I'm like.
Speaker 4: This is not the flu. What is happening?
Speaker 5: So yeah, like you know, we can go into all
Speaker 5: sorts of rabbit holes in there, which I mean I
Speaker 5: once in the middle of the whole thing that was happening,
Speaker 5: I did say, yo, I think this is like some
Speaker 5: sort of like biological attack, Like there's just no other
Speaker 5: way man. And sure enough, like the information has been
Speaker 5: has come out in the last few months, last few years,
Speaker 5: has proven that, so you know, this was something serious. Yeah,
Speaker 5: this was something very serious. And my mother in law
Speaker 5: actually worked in a hospital and there were a lot
Speaker 5: of people at least here in the city regionally that
Speaker 5: ended up dying. A lot of the people who died,
Speaker 5: they weren't in the best of health. A lot of
Speaker 5: them had respiratory issues, a lot of them had like
Speaker 5: prior conditions to receiving this. So a lot of people
Speaker 5: did end up dying here in New York City because
Speaker 5: over here we're just all closed up close quarters. It's like,
Speaker 5: you know, I've been sneezed on the train, I've been
Speaker 5: like punching kicked on the train, and it's like it's
Speaker 5: difficult to sort of get away from people, and so
Speaker 5: you still have sort of that lingering, I guess paranoia
Speaker 5: here in the city. You still see people wearing masks
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. I don't want to judge those people.
Speaker 5: Some of them could be crazy so be paranoid, but
Speaker 5: I do believe that some of them legitimately have fear
Speaker 5: because of the trauma, because of their health issues.
Speaker 4: And stuff like that.
Speaker 5: But I feel like that trauma still resides here in
Speaker 5: that sense, but not as many people. I feel like
Speaker 5: the majority of people for because of the information that
Speaker 5: has come out, and also because I think people just
Speaker 5: got tired of just being on the lockdown and say, hey,
Speaker 5: you got to take this booster. If not, you can't
Speaker 5: go to work, or you can't get paid, you can't
Speaker 5: support your family, like all that stuff.
Speaker 4: I feel like, for the most part, has been pushed
Speaker 4: out the window.
Speaker 5: And I've been noticing because people saw sort of what
Speaker 5: happened during this time.
Speaker 4: I'm noticing almost.
Speaker 5: Like just this mass migration of people just coming back
Speaker 5: to the Lord, picking up their bibles, dusting it off,
Speaker 5: and be like, all right, Like we listen to what
Speaker 5: the world powers have.
Speaker 4: To say, but what does God's power have to say?
Speaker 5: And I've been seeing that a lot in New York City,
Speaker 5: just the churches I've been filling up. People are kind
Speaker 5: of coming back to the norm, you know, and it's
Speaker 5: been really encouraging to see.
Speaker 4: Really cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah man, well master brother man, I definitely appreciate you
Speaker 2: coming and sharing your stories and your testimony. I mean,
Speaker 2: I couldn't imagine standing out in the field and seeing
Speaker 2: a basically a portal open up in the sky and
Speaker 2: two UFOs flying into it and it closing up, and
Speaker 2: then turning around to ask your wife if she's seen it,
Speaker 2: and seeing a specter. Yeah, man, but yeah, I'd love
Speaker 2: to have you back if you want, you know, as
Speaker 2: you start releasing some of these episodes and come on
Speaker 2: and give some teasers to the listeners and maybe push
Speaker 2: them your way to check out some of your stuff
Speaker 2: as you're releasing. Yeah, before we go, man, just let
Speaker 2: everybody know where they can find YouTube channel, websites or
Speaker 2: anything like that that you want to direct the listener's
Speaker 2: attention to.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So uh yeah, once again, thank you for having me on.
Speaker 5: This was such an awesome conversation and you can find
Speaker 5: me at the Neesta RSA, on YouTube, Facebook, and Instagram.
Speaker 5: I am most active on Instagram and on YouTube whenever
Speaker 5: I decide to drop something big. I'm currently working on
Speaker 5: a bit of an alien encounter that happened in a
Speaker 5: drink it. We actually did not get into that, but
Speaker 5: that was a really freaky story that happened. Dunk is
Speaker 5: basically America's rainforest, and there's a whole lot of stuff
Speaker 5: that happens in that one region when it comes to
Speaker 5: your foes and aliens, abductions in like four to one
Speaker 5: one missing cases. So I'll be dropping a video based
Speaker 5: on one of those cases very soon. But yeah, if
Speaker 5: you want to know more information, you can find me
Speaker 5: on those channels at the Nesta RC handle.
Speaker 2: Nice man. Well, seriously, once again, I thank you for
Speaker 2: your time because I tell people time is life's most
Speaker 2: valuable asset. That's the one thing you can never get back.
Speaker 2: So I appreciate you spending your time with us and
Speaker 2: telling us some of your fascinating stories.
Speaker 4: Brother, it was a pleasure. Man.
Speaker 5: Anytime I got some more if you want to hear
Speaker 5: them next time, definitely.
Speaker 4: Definitely.
Speaker 2: Like I said at the beginning of the show, I
Speaker 2: hope this is the first of many conversations.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope so too, man, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Hey, you guys be sure to check out next you
Speaker 2: stuff and if you're late to the party, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I actually got to see episode one before he took
Speaker 2: it down, So you guys got some good stuff coming
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Speaker 2: enjoyed it until next time, until which just high guys.
Speaker 3: H m hm.