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Speaker 1: And joining us online right now. Charles Richardson from The

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Charles Richardson Show, Charles, are you there?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Also president accounted for yes, yes.

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Speaker 3: Wo wow, you brought a crowd. I love it. A

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studio audience. How are you, man? How are you?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? This has been this is being recorded in front

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of a live studio audience.

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Speaker 3: That's amazing.

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Speaker 2: But not really.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, I was gonna say.

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Speaker 2: I'm listening to I was listening to the intro. I

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was just coming out and said, listen. Even Will Ferrell's

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movies have a only a significant number of outtakes. I

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mean that was just that was that was brutal. So

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I'm glad they could get done. Yeah it.

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Speaker 3: It just took a little bit. But I love outtakes.

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Speaker 2: So now things are right down here. It's not ninety

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eight and sweating, so but it is what it is

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in Florida.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I always get a little bit because here, you know,

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you get to this point in August it starts to

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cool off, and I get a little melancholy about it

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because summer is my favorite time of year. I love summer,

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and when it starts slipping away, it's like I don't

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like it. I don't mind the heat, you know, so,

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but it's humid where you.

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Speaker 2: Are, right, Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Most people, most people think I'm strange.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of winter, So whenever it starts

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to feel too hot to me, I just think about

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winter and how much I don't like the cold, and

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then I'm fine. I can live with it pretty easily.

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Speaker 2: Then you, you and I need to like trade place,

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get back up the mine down here where where you're comfortable?

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so?

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Speaker 2: Uh now how would how would Jenny? How would Jenny

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treat the heat down here?

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Speaker 4: I actually spent a lot of my childhood in Florida.

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Nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jenny does not do well in humidity, right, Jenny, no.

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Speaker 5: Ramps up symptoms, so I end up stuck in the

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air conditioning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so, which I never used to.

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Speaker 4: Be one for air conditioning, right, Likes what is it

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hot a week in the summer?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? We don't need that right now?

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Speaker 5: It's like, is there ever a week I'm not running it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be about eighty six today, so not not bad.

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But yeah when it gets up above ninety, yeah, then

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Jenny's usually ready for the air conditioning. But so, now,

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do you want to give us any before we I

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know we're going to talk some wrestling and and I

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don't know if you've been listening to the Tough Pumps

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podcast Eric Pilch and I do. And by the way,

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I did invite Eric to join us if you wanted,

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but I know with his schedule it might not be

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possible for him.

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Speaker 3: So but if not, he'll hear this later.

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Speaker 1: But do you want to give us a do you

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want to talk at all about the Charles Richardson Show?

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For because longtime listeners of this program are familiar with

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you and with the Charles Richardson Show, of course, but

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you haven't been on with us in a while, so

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newer listeners might not know. So for the uninitiated, do

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you want to tell us about about your show?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, it's a it's a very lame comparison to

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your show, Don't do so. It is basically a hodgepodge

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of topics that were just throwing together, uh, some humorous,

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some serious. Uh. Me and my wife usually do it.

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recently joined us. That kind of pop in and out

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every now and then. So I'm getting back to a

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formula where it's gonna be more fun. We uh, I

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think Monday's show we had not Monday, it's the last

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Wednesday show. We had everybody join us. So with those

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like four co hosts on there, so I was able

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to run Jeopardy. Uh So it was actually it was

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actually pretty cool the first time I had.

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Speaker 3: A game on.

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Speaker 2: Oh in so long, and it was so much fun

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it and time flow. It was just like, man, we

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gotta go already. Yeah, so it was a lot of

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fun to have a whole bunch of people on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, No doubt. And what's the schedule for

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the show?

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Speaker 3: When are you on?

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Speaker 2: Whenever I feel like it? No, So it's Monday and

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Monday and Wednesday is the scheduled days eight pm to

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ten pm Eastern Time. And we're on primarily Facebook and YouTube.

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And my flagship station now is a music station, no

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competitive to yours. It's called Power one Radio. It's the

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number one and we primarily played twenty four to seven,

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with the exception of the show eighties and nineties dancing

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Oh okay, tempo high energy. If you ever do that, that.

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That's awesome and Christian. If you still want to DJ,

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you're welcome to if you want.

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Speaker 1: Oh interesting, interesting? What are they looking for or are you?

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I don't know, I don't know how much involvement you

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have in that station, Like is the station looking for DJs?

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's my it's my personal creation, and.

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Speaker 3: It is Oh so you are, oh very cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't have a lot of like

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involvement right now. I'm just kind of like overshadowing. I'm

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like a silent partner to my own partner, okay.

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Speaker 3: To me.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's like I make sure the station is running,

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and I have the the the sweepers and everything that

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are running through, and I make sure the bills are paid.

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But as far as getting a lineup going, it wasn't

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like it used to be like around five six years ago,

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where I actually had a weekend lineup, hip hop lineup

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on Wednesday, Monday, we had a techno lineup, so it

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was it was pretty interactive back then. But eventually, when

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I go ahead and get a little bit more time,

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I'll go ahead and ramp it up. But yeah, that's

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primarily where the show runs Facebook, YouTube and that station

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just searched the Charles Richardson Show for all my Facebook

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crap and YouTube crap.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yeah uh.

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Speaker 1: And of course people can google it to You're very

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googleable if you're looking for the show. You know, it's

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funny you mentioned you mentioned about you know, not always

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necessarily being consistent with with when it's on. I've been

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having conversations with people recently about because you know, obviously,

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when you're doing a show on FM radio, you know,

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we're we're in a set time, you know, every week.

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different podcasts that I'm involved in, like Tough Bumps that

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I do with Eric, and there's another there's a political

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podcast that I'm doing now called Hanging Left with Todd Air.

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show for you know, conversations and things that we want

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to do that are not that do not fit the

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current format of the radio version of the show.

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Speaker 3: But we haven't been doing those.

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Speaker 1: None of the podcasts that I'm currently doing are on

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any particular schedule. Because I've noticed over the past few years,

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especially that a lot of and this is something I

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talk about with Todd about the political podcast that we do,

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because I use as an example a lot of the

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political streamers now, like the ones you see, especially the

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ones you see on Twitch. There's a lot of political

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of the it's on when it's on approach, but they

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media accounts, They get as many people as they can

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on social media, and then when they're going live, a

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notification goes out I'm live, and then people see the

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notifications and they either join the show or they just

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get it later, right, because that's that's one of the

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great things about a podcast. You can access it whenever

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really well. There's a lot of successful streamers that they're

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Speaker 1: If you see it live, great, you see the notification

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you click in live great, If not, you get it later.

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so it almost doesn't matter and I feel like that's

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the way things are going. I mean, what's your thought

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Speaker 2: My thought is that is a great way. If you're

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a radio announcer since I was ten. Yeah, I got

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show and this guy was just being edgy. I'm thinking,

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that's who I want to be. I want to do

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that that. I want to be heard on multiple stations

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all over the country. I want to be that. And

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it wasn't how it's turned. It was a local dude

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in Miami. But that's who I want to be. Yeah,

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love of it because this is what I've always dreamed

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for or thirty plus years, I'm still I'm still gunning

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with the microphone. Hell transforming my garage now we're actually

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finally got the money to transform it, building it into

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not making any money on it. That just shows you,

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one good friend who does a wrestling podcast which I'm

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he records it and drops it, and he's able to

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be successful with he's market it and advertise it. I'm

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not a marketing guy, so that's where I lack. If

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I'd be raking at the dollars, but unfortunately that's not me.

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Speaker 2: So the podcast is the podcast that's called the Josh

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Zodiac Podcast. It stars him his brother called the Psycho Nerd.

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the matches. Yeah, but but he does this it's like

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an hour. It's it's an hour podcast and discuss various

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with the next ple e or other wrestling rumors, like

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Scarlett not being re signed. We talked about how bad

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they are. It's just it's just completely uh all over

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that we're going to cover in depth, and then but

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Speaker 3: So then the main event.

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Speaker 1: Will be whatever it is, like, uh like this past weekend,

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the main event was AW kind of the history of

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ae W. So we kinda we kind of do it

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that way. But I mean that's but that's another great

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thing about podcasting too, is you know you can do

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it anyway.

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Speaker 3: You want to.

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Speaker 1: There's no there's no rules, there's no format to follow.

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it can devolve, it can you know however you want to,

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however you want to do it. I feel like you've

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have you worked with Josh Zodiac before. The reason I

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ask is I've heard that name and I think I've

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heard you mentioned the name before Josh Zodiac.

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Speaker 2: No, I've actually just recently come on to his UH

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podcast UH as an official co host. He had me

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on a guest a couple of times. But it's like, hey, listen,

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you're really good. I like you the interaction that we have.

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sure if you want, absolutely, so Okay, Usually every Saturday

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but no, it's it's only been for a few months now.

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Speaker 1: Oh cool, Okay, I may I may have heard of

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him elsewhere then I might have U, I might have

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seen something of Eric, might even know him.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. No, that's very cool. That's very cool.

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Speaker 1: And and and then so when of the wheer the

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new episodes come out? When should people look for him?

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Speaker 2: Is it two a week Sunday? Usually it's it's just

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it's just one a week. Usually they drop on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Okay, he is.

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Speaker 2: We're taking September off and then we're gonna ramp up

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afterwards to get ready for or after Survivor series and

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then we'll go ahead and jump back into it. But

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I may I may do Survivor series on my end,

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because I know I think that what that's two nights

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Speaker 3: The Survivor series two nights and one night.

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Speaker 2: I figure, yeah, I don't know. I think they're all

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going to two nights for crying out loud. That's what

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WW is all about right now, is that they're all

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about making money. And it's just really sad of how

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how downtry it is with the new ESPN deal going on.

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It's like, gee, whiz, guys. I mean, listen, you're already

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you're already firing up and everything. How about giving the

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fans a break?

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Speaker 3: Huh yeah, it is.

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Speaker 2: Uh, it's just crazy.

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Speaker 5: I am not buying ESPN. No, I am not buying it.

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They can pound Sand.

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Speaker 3: I'm done.

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Speaker 5: Well, I already have.

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Speaker 4: I got I got Netflix to watch raw, I got

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Peacock to watch PL's, I got you know, I gotta

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go to empty different places to watch.

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Speaker 5: Stuff to begin with. I'm done. I'm not chasing them

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to ESPN Pound Sand.

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Speaker 2: Well. So I heard that if you already subscribe to ESPN,

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do your linear cable subscription. I think you're covered. Yeah

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to go.

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Speaker 5: No, I don't do cable.

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Speaker 1: We cut the We cut the court a long time ago. Yeah,

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we don't have cable. We cut the court a long

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time ago.

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Speaker 5: Ridiculous costs.

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Speaker 3: It won't do it.

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Speaker 1: It's so expensive for But now in terms of though,

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and this is a conversation that I had with Eric

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on Tough Bumps, the easy workaround is you just get

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a you know, you can get a VPN for like

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six bucks a month and connect to it because the

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pols will still be available internationally on Netflix, just not

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in the US. So you just get a you just

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get a VPN. Netflix doesn't know where you're connecting from.

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You can have access to everything.

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Speaker 2: I mean really or just or just or just contact

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me after the show and I'll go ahead and give

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you information about you know, adding you on to my

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family subscription on YouTube TV.

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Speaker 4: Ooh, well, I I agree with what you were saying before,

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and now it just went out of my head.

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Speaker 3: Oh about it it being so expensive now to be

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a fan? Yeah, right, it's really.

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Speaker 4: It really gives something back to the fans, hih. I

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mean we spend enough money by and i'mpting different subscriptions

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to watch I'm doing different things, and you know, but

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I agree with you one hundred percent, and I hate

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the direction they're going in. I don't like the way

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they're treating talent, especially truth that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, I think talent's being treated a lot better

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than they were with Vince. To be honest with you,

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there may be some one offs, yes, for for talent

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that I think. I think Truth was brought back based

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on fan pressure, which if you think about it, wouldn't

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have not affected Vince one bit. But because the fans

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are calling out for names, Triple H is listening to

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the fans. So I think the talent is treated a

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lot better nowadays.

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Speaker 5: I agree, Well maybe a little bit in that regard.

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Speaker 4: But to drop somebody with no notice, no nothing, just ah,

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yeah we've been with us for decades, but goodbye, see

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it hour get out. That's the way that they've dropped people,

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you know, is awful. They don't have discussions with them.

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They just wait till the end and then go, oh,

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yeah you're gone.

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Speaker 5: And people have been with them, people their lives are invested.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how you treat.

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Speaker 2: People before, Jenny, they they've they've they've done massive cuts

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before just to save mine. They've done that way before.

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The truth. Yeah, it's just the fact of the matter

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that Truth is such a such is so beloved. Yeah,

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he's such a he's basically and I guarantee you when

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he retires, he finally hangs up his boots, I guarantee you,

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he's going to be an ambassador.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he'll always have some sort of a connection

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to the company. I'm sure. Yeah, regardless, but uh not.

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Speaker 4: The only one though that they just drop like that. Well, yeah,

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been around forever and it's just you're gone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think. I do think though, with with

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some people. I mean, if you reach a point where

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you don't think you can, you know, then have a.

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Speaker 5: Discussion with him. Be honest, don't be like Cross all

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the get to hear.

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Speaker 1: Well, they carrying Cross seems like a unique situation.

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Speaker 3: Did you watch did you watch him? Excuse me, I'm

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losing my voice, Charles? Did you watch?

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Speaker 1: Jenny and I watched both the documentary The Killer Cross

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Part two slash My Contract Just Ended or whatever it's called.

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And we watched the Ariel Helwane interview where Carrion Cross

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to me comes across no pun intended really well and

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in the documentary, both he and Scarlett come across really well,

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and it's easy to have a lot of sympathy for them.

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Speaker 3: Did you watch either of those or both of those?

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Speaker 2: No? Unfortunately I can't say I have. Yeah, but here's

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my take on Carrion's I'm gonna be honest with you,

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and this is just what I see. Either Creative has

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dropped the ball massively, yes, or Carrion just does not

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get over with the fans at all. I mean he

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number one. If you take a look at in ring work,

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I can see why the guy only wrestles one time

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a year. The guy's dan dress. You think that that match,

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that match is nami zaye. Literally I saw one or

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two inches where he could be paralyzed. The Yeah, it was.

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It was some scary stuff. Me, me and Joshua We're

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talking about that match, and it's like, yeah, he is unsafe.

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He is unsafe. It's it's not a good performance at all.

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His character is lackluster at best. I loved it when

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he was with AOP and had the final testament. That

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was where he That is where I think he should.

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He needs to be surrounded by talent. He cannot hold

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himself with his character, he cannot. So either creative is

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dropping the ball finding nothing legitimate that he can do well,

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or he just excuse French sucks and he just needs

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to go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would.

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Speaker 1: I would definitely put it on creative because you know,

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just hearing the guy talk, even in see I've always

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been impressed with him in in interviews, various podcast interviews

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I've seen with him over the years and whatnot. He's

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so articulate and so interesting. It's like, how do you

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not find something to do with this guy? And then

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in recent days when he did that that promo that

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was like a worked shoot where you know he did

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he did that that promo after WrestleMania where he was

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complaining about not being on the show and and he

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threw down the microphone and said that's killer cross and everything.

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And then people really got behind him after that, and

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apparently his merchandise sales through WWE dot com spiked massively,

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and his book, his new book that just came out,

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Life is Fighting, is doing very well. So there's clearly

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the fans want him, they want to get behind him.

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I put it all on creative. How do you not

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make money with this guy? And I've always felt that

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like they they they did well with him in NXT

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when Triple H was running NXT, but then you know,

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they brought him up to the main roster, Vince was

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still in charge, so Vince immediately ruined him. They released him,

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they brought him back, and then they's like they can't

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figure out what to do with him, and it's like,

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how do you not find something for this guy to do?

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know, I.

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Speaker 2: Not not every NXT champion or or somebody that's rising

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up from NXT goes to the main roster and succeeds.

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It's it's just not that. And also there may be

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other works behind the scenes. There could be some back back, Uh,

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there could be some drama going on backstage. There could

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be some obviously creative differences, I'm sure backstage. But the

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thing is, though, just just seeing what I've seen on camera,

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it's very bland. It's it's it's not it's not entertaining

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for me at least. I mean again, it sounds like

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you and Jenny feel differently, but it's not entertaining for me.

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And and and I find his wrestling style is very dangerous.

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Speaker 1: I will say, I don't think his ring work. I've

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never noticed the dangerous aspect of that, but I would

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be curious. Like Jenny said, you know, maybe we'll go

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back and watch that match. But I will say I've

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never found his ringwork to be particularly spectacular. Like I

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don't expect to hear a this is awesome chant during

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a Carrion cross match.

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Speaker 3: No, but but again, it's it's it's it's.

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Speaker 2: Far but it's it's far from spectacularly. It's down it's

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downright bad. It really is the the I don't know,

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because listen, when you take a look and you're inside

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that ring, you are dancing with your dance partner. I mean, yes,

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it's kind of sad to say because they're wearing tight

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tight shorts and everything like that, and you know, it's

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just you just think about that. It's just like, Okay,

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you're dancing with the dude, all right, whatever, But they're

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dancing your dance partner. Somebody has to lead, somebody has

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to Communication is always a spot, Sammy Zain, whether it

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be with Jay Usso, whether it be with the Bloodline,

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whether it be with Kevin Owens, Sammy Zaine's beautiful, he's

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he he twinkled, toes around that ring like nobody ever. Sure, great,

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I Seemy carrying crussing, and I'm almost ready to cry

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because there is no twinkle toes. Something's off and it's

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can't be Sammy because I've seen Sammy interact with other

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wrestlers and he is just beautiful. It's great. It's artwork.

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It's not art, it's it's just it's maybe it's not dangerous,

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but it's just not good.

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Speaker 1: I do think they had a good match at SummerSlam.

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I thought it was I thought it was very good.

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I mean, I you know, I didn't have any complaints

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about it, certainly.

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Speaker 2: But I think the I think the drum and the interaction,

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the interference with Scarlet with the bar, Yeah, I like that.

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But there was a couple of bumps there where I

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was like, please get up, Sammy, please get up, Please

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don't do the referee, don't do the x uh. It's

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just it's there's there's some of the bumps that I

472
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,519
just taught like, I mean, okay, that didn't look that

473
00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:20,400
didn't look good.

474
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:21,799
Speaker 3: I do have to acknowledge.

475
00:24:21,799 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: My favorite part of any carrying cross match has always

476
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been the entrance. I think the entrance is incredible. I

477
00:24:27,759 --> 00:24:29,400
think I think that I think that's the whole thing

478
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,759
is really good. But but he also said.

479
00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:36,279
Speaker 2: It is the best part of carrying cross is the entrance.

480
00:24:36,279 --> 00:24:37,160
You're absolutely right.

481
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: He did say during the uh the Ariel hill Wana

482
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,319
interview too that uh they so you said you didn't

483
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,880
watch it, correct, He said that, uh No, He said

484
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,960
that it's it's really it's really good. But he said

485
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,960
that they they did make him an offer. It's not

486
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,319
that they didn't make him an offer. They did make

487
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,000
him an offer. But there were two things that there

488
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,839
were a problem. One is he wanted to know how

489
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,599
they arrived at that number. So I assume it was

490
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,240
a low number because he again, there's been a just recently,

491
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,640
there was a pretty big spike in his merchandise sales apparently,

492
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,839
so they wanted to know how they arrived at number

493
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,079
at that number. He didn't say no, He just said,

494
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,200
you know, let's continue the conversation. And the other sticking

495
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,960
point was they did not offer her Scarlet anything. They

496
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,359
offered him a new deal. They did not offer Scarlet

497
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,839
a new deal. And he says that what they told

498
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,279
him was that they would sign him. Let's get your

499
00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:31,680
deal locked in and then we'll we'll figure out Scarlet,

500
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which I can understand him being very concerned about that

501
00:25:35,559 --> 00:25:37,880
for two reasons. Number One, she's a huge part of

502
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,839
the act. You know, it's hard to imagine him without her.

503
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:44,279
But also I would be worried about Okay, so you

504
00:25:44,319 --> 00:25:46,480
want to sign me, You want me to hurry up

505
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,519
and sign this deal and then we'll and then we'll

506
00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:53,240
deal with Scarlet afterward. I'm worried that there's not going

507
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:54,839
to be a follow through there. Okay, I'm going to

508
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,160
sign this deal that you, for some reason, are in

509
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,799
such a hurry for me to go ahead and sign,

510
00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:00,400
because you're telling me, if I don't sign it in

511
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,319
twenty four hours, you're rescinding the offer. No ongoing contract negotiations.

512
00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:06,880
I either signed this or you resinned, and then I'm

513
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,119
supposed to just trust you that then you're going to

514
00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:12,960
talk to Scarlet or we're going to sit down and

515
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,599
negotiate something for Scarlett as well. That that is. That

516
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,000
sounded pretty sketchy to me, So I don't blame him

517
00:26:20,039 --> 00:26:21,000
for saying no, agreed.

518
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, because listen, what does my

519
00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:28,480
deal have to do with Scarlett? Scarlett has her own deal.

520
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,000
How about we get Scarlett on board first, Yeah, and

521
00:26:32,039 --> 00:26:34,599
then talk to me. I think, honestly, it's a way

522
00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:36,680
to go ahead and break this two apart. Because number one,

523
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,319
Scarlet's not a wrestler. She has not wrestled. She is

524
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,480
a valet. I think she hasn't she has, Unfortunately, I think, you.

525
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,039
Speaker 3: Know, I thought she had wrestled in the net to.

526
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 2: My recollection, if she had had a long time.

527
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably been a long time. But I mean, I

528
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,480
know she takes bumps and everything. I thought she had

529
00:26:54,519 --> 00:26:56,359
wrestled at one time. I'm looking it up now.

530
00:26:56,519 --> 00:27:01,839
Speaker 2: Yes, she she probably has trained before. Yeah, definitely look

531
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,079
it up. Yeah, but she's probably trained before to go

532
00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:07,640
ahead and said bumps. But she's primarily of VLA, and

533
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,200
I don't think WWE, especially with them cracking down on

534
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,920
salary and everything like that, I don't think they're gonna

535
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,440
go ahead and pay a VLA, which is weird. You're

536
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,680
going ahead and bumping up to ESPN for thirty dollars

537
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,599
a month. You're already telling people to pay for Netflix

538
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,400
for raw, and you're cutting salary really okay, I mean

539
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,440
you know, I don't get it.

540
00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking on Wikipedia, it looks like for the Yeah.

541
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:41,599
Speaker 2: And Rosso and they're also bumping up because they said

542
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,359
when they signed this deal with ESPN that their first

543
00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:49,319
pl e was gonna be wrestle Mania next year. They're

544
00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:52,559
bumping it up to like, yep, something called Russell Polluta

545
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,519
yep for in September yep, y she with.

546
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 4: I think their money. I think they're greedy as heck.

547
00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:05,839
They got that company's got so much money now then

548
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,640
Nicol and Diamond, the artists who are contracted, they don't

549
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,839
get healthcare. They got to pay their own healthcare everything else. Right,

550
00:28:13,519 --> 00:28:15,680
That's why I think people don't understand that sometimes too,

551
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,279
because they think they're employees, right, They're non employees. They're

552
00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:23,599
independent contractor yep. They got to work around from the

553
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,559
government basically, and it stuck.

554
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:32,599
Speaker 2: They yeah, they're I mean, obviously there's there's another wrestling

555
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,759
promotion out there. If you don't wake it a WWE

556
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:37,519
go over to AWE. What they can do. You got

557
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:41,119
full creative control. You have another con and debt that's

558
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,119
in charge. So you go from Tony to Neck or

559
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,559
Nick to Tony. I don't know, I forgot whose con

560
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:47,000
is open.

561
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: They're both cons Sorry, I had to do it.

562
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: God, I can't go over to the AW there. You

563
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,000
know they did you know that they're they're thriving as well.

564
00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:05,400
I mean, look how awesome they are. I mean look,

565
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,000
I mean just just think about it. Chris Jericho went

566
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,200
from w w E to a W possibly back.

567
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 3: To w WE most likely.

568
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:15,759
Speaker 2: I thought that, Come on, now, Tody Rhoades goes ahead

569
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,559
and flicks off w w E when he goes to AW.

570
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:21,599
Now it's back to w w E. Yeah, what's going on?

571
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,000
How come eight? You can't keep their talent, talent that

572
00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:28,359
they take from w w E. Well, it's not working out.

573
00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:30,960
Next thing, you know, we're getting Dean Ambrose back, right,

574
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,559
Is that what's gonna happen next? Oh?

575
00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: I hope, so, I hope. So that was something that

576
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,519
Eric and I talked about too on Tough Bumps. So,

577
00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:38,839
by the way, if you're just joining us, we have

578
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,799
Charles Richardson from the Charles Richardson Show on the line

579
00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:45,640
with us, and and uh oh, and of course the

580
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,400
pot what's the name of the wrestling podcast? Is it

581
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,720
the Josh Zodiac Show?

582
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: Yes, there's the Josh Zodiac Podcast, The.

583
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,119
Speaker 3: Josh Sodiac Podcast. I want to make sure I get

584
00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:59,200
it right when uh when when we did? Uh Yeah.

585
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,799
Speaker 1: This past Sunday, on the newest edition of Tough Bumps,

586
00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:03,839
it was a history of AEW and Eric and I

587
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,839
talked a lot about how the worst thing that happened

588
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:11,279
to AW was And Eric and I disagree on a

589
00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:13,160
lot of things, but on this I think we agreed

590
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,759
is that when Vince ended up having to permanently leave

591
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,920
WWE because with Triple H in charge of creative because

592
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,319
the whole reason that AEW was so successful in the

593
00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:28,519
beginning and to a large extent still is I mean,

594
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:32,599
doing thirty thousand people in a stadium in Texas is

595
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,839
pretty impressive. But the reason they were so successful initially

596
00:30:36,839 --> 00:30:38,799
was because they were offering an alternative to what had

597
00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:42,200
become very very stale, a very stale product under Vince.

598
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,119
I was saying to Eric, you know, for years, I

599
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,359
didn't even sit down. I wouldn't even sit down and

600
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,680
sit through an episode of Raw or SmackDown. I would

601
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,599
just go on YouTube and find find out whatever happened,

602
00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:56,000
and just watch whatever clips looked interesting to me. And

603
00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:59,079
that was it. So I never fully disengaged from the product,

604
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:01,960
but so you know, so ae W was filling that

605
00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:05,160
void and then of course Triple H, who I wasn't

606
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,920
surprised because I was watching NXT because when Triple H

607
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,160
was in charge of NXT, NX was phenomenal.

608
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 3: And uh, you know, so when.

609
00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:16,039
Speaker 1: Triple H got to take over full creative, on the

610
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:19,480
full roster, on the main roster, you know, that was

611
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,960
all of a sudden ae W. It's kind of like,

612
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,920
don't really need it after all now that WWE is

613
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,720
running on all cylinders again for the first time in

614
00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:31,640
a long time. But that's but I do think that

615
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,200
ae W is a net positive for the business. I

616
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,319
think that the wrestling business always thrives when you have

617
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:40,799
competitive forces within it. The more promotions that are successful,

618
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:44,319
the better, because a high tide raises all ships interests

619
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:47,200
in wrestling. You know, it's it's so strong right now.

620
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,880
Even TNA, Jenny and I were watching a little bit

621
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,359
of Slammiversary, they were that was their biggest North American

622
00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:57,680
crowd for Slammiversary, almost eight thousand people. I think their

623
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,799
partnership with WWE helps drive that. But I do think

624
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:04,079
AEW holds an important place in the market, and I

625
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:06,519
think they're I think it's in that positive that they're around.

626
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's definitely going to be a net positive

627
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,119
for AW no matter what, because it's an alternative. And

628
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,680
when you can go ahead and finally get your creative

629
00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:22,440
brains intact and actually bump heads literally sometimes and you

630
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:26,200
go ahead and get Edge and Christian back together, that's

631
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,279
going to generate some interests like, hmm, how's this rated

632
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:35,000
R superstar Adam Copeland gonna do with Christian Cage now

633
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:41,079
that they're reunited. Hmmm, interesting storyline. It drove me interest

634
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,960
in ae W because I want to see what these

635
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,039
two are gonna go at, right, and that was the

636
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:50,559
first time I heard of Spike apparently with that back

637
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:52,599
and just oh gruesome. Yeah.

638
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm like, I'm like, you.

639
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,119
Speaker 2: Know what, let's see what happens. Let's see where they

640
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,000
go from here, because they're taking a definite tag team,

641
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:09,240
a formidable tag team, hall of Fame tag team, and

642
00:33:09,599 --> 00:33:12,960
they're bringing it to their forefront. Now let's see how

643
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:13,279
they do.

644
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think, uh so, we don't. We don't

645
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,240
watch much a w uh.

646
00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: Basically, if there's a you know, if they have a

647
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,480
a big event or something, there's a website Toki video

648
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:27,480
dot com that posts, uh, the individual matches from their

649
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,680
pay per views, you know, usually a week or two

650
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:30,400
after they happen.

651
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: But but yeah, I think I think you know, are

652
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:33,400
they not?

653
00:33:33,599 --> 00:33:36,599
Speaker 2: Are they not? Are they not streaming on Max? There

654
00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:38,680
are there their pay per views? I know they're streaming

655
00:33:38,759 --> 00:33:41,880
like Dynamite in oh yeah Vision on Max Max.

656
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have Max Max.

657
00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: We've we've actually watched one of the shows on Max.

658
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,480
We've never watched any of their pls on Max. But

659
00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:52,240
I think you're right. Yeah, with all the streaming services,

660
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,240
it gets confusing. It's hard to keep up with it all.

661
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:55,799
Speaker 5: I'm ready to dump them.

662
00:33:56,079 --> 00:34:01,519
Speaker 3: But but part of why.

663
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: It's amazing, Mat, it's it's it's amazing, Mat. The cord. Yeah,

664
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:12,719
cut the cord, everybody, cut the streaming. You're spending more

665
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:13,760
now on streaming than you did.

666
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 3: I'm not.

667
00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:17,159
Speaker 4: I'm actually not spending more on streaming than I was

668
00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:18,719
paying the cable because it was.

669
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 5: Expensive.

670
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 2: People are a lot of people are though cable.

671
00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:27,159
Speaker 3: Cable is far from dead, that's for sure.

672
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

673
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 4: I Uh.

674
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,639
Speaker 1: Part of why we were having that conversation on Tough

675
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:36,000
Bumps was Eric is Eric is much more negative on

676
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:39,480
a W than I am. Like I said, I think,

677
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,079
I think uh. I think Cody Rhads his return to

678
00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:48,079
w w E UH would not have been nearly as

679
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:50,559
important and as big a deal had it not been

680
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:55,000
for a W even CM punk, you know, I mean,

681
00:34:55,039 --> 00:34:57,679
it still would have been a big deal him returning

682
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,559
to w W E. His surprise appearance had survived series

683
00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:03,719
UH when he returned. But again, had it had it

684
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,519
not been for his UH, had it not been for

685
00:35:06,559 --> 00:35:09,440
ae W getting him back into the game first, I

686
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,280
don't think it would have meant as much. You know,

687
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,639
I think AW. I think AW has directly benefited WWE

688
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:16,320
in some ways.

689
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 3: I really do.

690
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 2: I agree, and then I disagree because Cody Rhodes developed

691
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,559
himself in the Indies BEFOREAW even took place. That was

692
00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:33,760
Eric's reinventive, That the American Nightmare persona theme song and

693
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,280
everything was before AW right, So he actually went ahead

694
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,440
and created himself before then he was able to make

695
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,039
a stage on AW. So I agreed to that point.

696
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,000
I agreed to that point that Cody went ahead and

697
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,599
turned some heads like, Wow, this guy can actually perform.

698
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,440
You don't have to put him in a goofy gold

699
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,960
out and called Stardust, Right, that's great, see them punk

700
00:35:56,039 --> 00:35:58,519
on the other hand, seem punk on the other hand,

701
00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:03,079
he had to try another promotion because of his experience

702
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:06,480
with w W E, his negative experience with w W

703
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:10,079
and at the time he went to a w Vincent

704
00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:12,440
Stone charge anyway, so why would he go back to

705
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,679
a toxic relationship with that, right And of course if

706
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,880
you haven't seen Unreal, we watched you to know that. Yeah,

707
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:25,000
it's it's that. That's freaking great, it really is. But

708
00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:29,599
that right there not even unreal, just just a hole

709
00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:32,280
behind the scenes of how Sam Punk got back. It

710
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,960
was the last minute deal. This thing wasn't like etchton

711
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:39,039
Stone before a Survivor series hit. Nobody knew except three people,

712
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:42,960
and one of them was aj So he he and

713
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,039
he was hidden behind everything. He got into Gorilla Formation

714
00:36:46,199 --> 00:36:50,440
and like wow, seampunk is here. Yep, yeah, it's just

715
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:54,599
he literally signed that contract like ten minutes before. So

716
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,760
there was a coming to Jesus moment with Triple H

717
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,480
saying listen, we know we messed up. We know this

718
00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:06,360
hap happened. We know that happened. This is how it

719
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,079
is now. We know there's a lot of wrongs that

720
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:11,280
have been righted and and this is this is what

721
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,320
we can offer you. And I think Sampunk came back,

722
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,599
but I think he had to try another promotion to

723
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:21,639
see what exactly what it's like outside of w w

724
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,480
E before he came back.

725
00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 3: Right right.

726
00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:27,559
Speaker 1: I also have a theory, you know that you know

727
00:37:27,679 --> 00:37:31,000
that show that CM Punk showed up at. This was

728
00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:32,880
when he was on the outs with ae W. He

729
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,039
was still under contract, but he he was out with

730
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:37,360
his with his injury.

731
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 3: Poor guy, He's had a lot of injuries.

732
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,199
Speaker 1: But so he was he was away from the promotion

733
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:44,480
and and of course it was an ongoing story that

734
00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:47,159
he was at odds with some of the people there

735
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:50,639
and like Jack Perry, and his relationship with Tony Cohn

736
00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:52,880
was pretty strange. And then there was that WWE show

737
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,559
that he showed up at just to say hi to

738
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:59,400
some people backstage, and yep, and and Vince Scott went

739
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,119
and Vince got wind of it and kicked him out.

740
00:38:01,559 --> 00:38:04,559
And and by the way, Vince I think was probably

741
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:06,400
right to do that, because Vince does not want to

742
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,719
be sued for contract hampering, you know, because if he's

743
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,519
aware of the situation, he knows assuming he was aware

744
00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:15,599
he knew that cmpunk was still under contract with AEW

745
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,599
but having problems, So it's not necessarily a great look that,

746
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,599
you know, while still under contract with AEW, Cmpunk is

747
00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:24,760
just showing up at a show. But that night, apparently

748
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,440
before before Vince gave word that no, you got to

749
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,039
get him out of here. We can't have him in

750
00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:34,039
the building. Kick him out, he did have a brief

751
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:39,000
interaction with Triple H. I just wonder how that interaction went,

752
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:42,559
because I have this, I have a theory. It's just

753
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:44,960
a theory, I you know, can't base it on anything,

754
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:47,840
But is it possible that part of that introduction Apparently

755
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,039
it was very very brief, just kind of saying hello

756
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:53,800
to each other. But I wonder if Punk said something like,

757
00:38:55,199 --> 00:38:58,400
you know, to Triple H, hey, you know, someday, when

758
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,440
I'm not under contract somewhere else, I'm I like to

759
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,519
come back here, you know, just kind of throwing that

760
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:05,360
out there in Triple H may have said something like, hey,

761
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:08,119
you know, if you weren't under contract, we'd love to

762
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:09,880
have you back. Who knows what the future, you know,

763
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,719
just something just a brief interaction like that, and they'll

764
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,199
know And if that conversation did take place. They'll never

765
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,559
admit it, but I just know. But I can't help

766
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:20,760
but wonder if it did.

767
00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 2: You know, I have my own theory and it's it's

768
00:39:26,679 --> 00:39:30,760
it's definitely not wrestling related. So my theory is damn

769
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,880
punk walks up to Triple H and it's like, hey,

770
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,639
how are you and Stephanie doing? Yeah, we're doing great,

771
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:39,440
and me, you're doing great. Won't get together and have

772
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:40,000
a foursome?

773
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 3: Really that's your theory?

774
00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: And yeah, so well, Charles, I mean you're definitely thinking

775
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:54,360
outside the box because I can honestly tell you with

776
00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:57,400
all those sincerity that never occurred to me.

777
00:40:00,119 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure.

778
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, uh, what do you watch any a W now?

779
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,239
Or do you only watch w W E?

780
00:40:14,559 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: It's it's mainly w w E. But you know, I

781
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:20,159
kind of keep tabs on stuff with ae W like

782
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,199
I you know, I wouldn't have known about edging Christian.

783
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:24,440
I knew they were feuding with you with with with

784
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:27,000
each other. I think, yeah there was one time Christian

785
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:30,360
hug edge until you know f oh yeah yeah and

786
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,760
that's okay, wow, Yeah, but you know, no, I I

787
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,639
I kind of keep tabs, like you know, apparently they

788
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,920
got something going now, which okay, maybe I might tune

789
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,840
in to see what's going on if they're advertised, uh,

790
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,679
and and see what what's doing, but I'm I'm primarily

791
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:48,239
w W.

792
00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll watch any Will Osprey match. Uh and he

793
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:54,519
of course, you know an a W and you know,

794
00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:57,719
a big fan of MJF. Haven't kept up, haven't kept

795
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,320
up with what they've been doing. But boy, there's so much.

796
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,440
There's just so much content now, I mean, and WWE

797
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,960
is pumping out more content than ever.

798
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: Is MJF like part of the hurt cyndykit now with

799
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,000
lash Lee in the MVP.

800
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: From what I saw online, he was, but now he's out.

801
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,639
They kicked him out or something, so I don't know,

802
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,679
I haven't but that's you know, it's hard though. See

803
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:24,880
that's the other thing with AEW. And this is something

804
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,280
where I think Tony Kahn probably has something in common

805
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,199
with Vince McMahon that wanting to have full control over

806
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,719
creative to the point where you know nothing's being delegated

807
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,119
or if it is being well. Obviously in WW events

808
00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:39,280
was delegating because he had a full writing team, but

809
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:40,960
then you know he'd end up tearing up the script

810
00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:43,599
and rewriting it himself anyway. And I think that you

811
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:47,159
know what aw needs, what Tony Kahn needs is somebody

812
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,000
or a team of people who can do what Triple

813
00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:53,280
H has done. Recommit to long term, logical storytelling where

814
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,679
you can get really invested in these characters, because that's

815
00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:58,840
the most important thing. That's what makes w WE, in

816
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,000
my opinion, so successful.

817
00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 3: Now.

818
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,639
Speaker 1: I've argued to Eric that to me, wrestling is better

819
00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:08,599
than it's ever been because there's more, there's more of

820
00:42:08,639 --> 00:42:11,960
a focus on long term storytelling. There's surprises, but everything

821
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:15,280
is logical, but also character development. I can't remember ever,

822
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:16,679
and I've been watching since I was a kid, I

823
00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:18,480
can't remember ever a time when there was as much

824
00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:21,800
character development as we see now and a willingness to

825
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,440
make these characters complex and you know they've got levels

826
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,480
to them. That's why now you'll see babyfaces fighting with

827
00:42:28,559 --> 00:42:31,239
other babyfaces that used to be never a thing, but

828
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,039
now you know you can have that, or heels fighting

829
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:37,039
with other heels because the audience has been conditioned to

830
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:39,960
accept these are complex characters and not everything is black

831
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,480
and white, and people who are you know, good guys

832
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,840
can actually fight with other good guys, and bad guys

833
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,719
can actually fight with other bad guys, because you know

834
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,199
sometimes in real life that happens, right, So I think aew,

835
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,280
if Tony Kahn would just allow somebody who really has

836
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,800
a good creative mind, who can do what Triple Ah

837
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:04,000
is done, coming to aw and recommit to long term storytelling,

838
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,159
I think they'd be a lot more successful. And they're

839
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:08,760
already pretty successful, let's be honest, but I think they'd

840
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:09,920
be a lot more successful.

841
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, they still have a long way to go. They're

842
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:15,000
still in the baby's, the d the infant stages, maybe

843
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:20,039
even the Toddless stages, but definitely, definitely. I do have

844
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:22,159
a couple of questions because I know we're running out

845
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:23,480
of time here, so I want to I have a

846
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,840
couple of questions. Number one, and please assume that I

847
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,480
have not heard this on Tough Bumps. Okay, but tell

848
00:43:30,559 --> 00:43:33,079
me what was your reaction to Hogan's death.

849
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:37,039
Speaker 1: So we tried on Tough Bumps, we tried to present

850
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:41,599
kind of a measured, fair assessment. I mean, I can

851
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:44,320
tell you my personal reaction. When I saw the news

852
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,079
alert on my phone, I was kind of numb. It

853
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:50,000
was like Wow, you know, because on one hand, a

854
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:53,400
huge part of my childhood and obviously Hogan a huge

855
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,119
part of professional wrestling, something that I'm I'm passionate about,

856
00:43:57,199 --> 00:44:00,920
So so it was like, wow, is kind of stunning,

857
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,280
But it's also hard to get past because I don't

858
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,639
think he ever effectively dealt with it. You know, his

859
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,639
racist comments that were recorded during that encounter with Bubba

860
00:44:12,679 --> 00:44:16,440
the love Sponges wife, which is still even weird to say,

861
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:23,480
but you know, the just objectively extraordinarily racist, shockingly racist

862
00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:26,840
things that he said during that conversation that was recorded,

863
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,920
which yeah, he did the whole apology tour and everything,

864
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,480
but he never really dealt with the central His comments

865
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:38,800
were very specific and he never dealt with specifically what

866
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,360
he was wrestling with no pun intended when expressing himself

867
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,719
during that conversation. He never dealt with that specifically, at

868
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,159
least not publicly, and a lot of people felt like

869
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:54,400
his apologies were half hearted and insufficient, and he never

870
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,960
fully recovered from that, obviously, so we tried to so

871
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,239
we tried to be very fair about it, and.

872
00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, he was apparently, in his

873
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,880
private life a very manipulative person because Brooke Hogan, his daughter,

874
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,840
called in on Bubba and they haven't spoken in years

875
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,119
because of the fallout between Hogan and Bubba. Yeah, and

876
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:24,000
Brooke even said that, hey, my dad told me about

877
00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:26,840
the tape and he knew you didn't have anything to

878
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,159
do with it. Even though Bubba lost his home, he

879
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:33,920
got fired, everything that laid down, Hogan never came to

880
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,039
his defense, even though he admitted to Brooke that, yeah,

881
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,760
I know Bubba had nothing to do with it, right, So,

882
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:46,639
just on that alone, I think he was not a

883
00:45:46,679 --> 00:45:49,000
good human being. Let's put it that way. Now. Is

884
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:52,079
that justified to say, like, well, thank god he's dead, No,

885
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,239
of course not. I mean I think the way he died,

886
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,000
there's actually a criminal investigation going on that he may

887
00:45:59,039 --> 00:45:59,760
have been murdered.

888
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:01,559
Speaker 3: Jenny and I were talking about that earlier.

889
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,199
Speaker 5: Not murdered, there may be a medical medical.

890
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:10,159
Speaker 1: Malpractice yeah, yeah, okay, okay, yeah.

891
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:11,119
Speaker 5: Question during a surgery.

892
00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 4: He had a surgery apparently recently, and there's question as

893
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,920
to whether or not his frontic nerve was damaged or

894
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,280
severed and restitched or something. And he also had a

895
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,239
fib so I guess the combo wasn't too good. And

896
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,039
they think that might have actually been what caused his death,

897
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,639
in which case it would be a medical practice.

898
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know. There was a police investigation going on.

899
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:38,840
I think it's still going on.

900
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's still it's still going on. It's still

901
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,320
going on. Yeah, could be wrongful death, who knows.

902
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 2: Another question, Matt, how do you feel of Sina's so

903
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,440
called heel turn versus face turn? It was that a

904
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,719
flop or is that you think was successful?

905
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: I so, I'm I'm I know, I'm very much in

906
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,480
the minority when I say this. I loved, first of all,

907
00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:10,079
the heel turn itself was amazing, and I think most

908
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:12,320
people would agree on that. The actual heel turn itself

909
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,880
was fantastic. It was so so, so well done. The

910
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,760
subsequent him as a heel, the heel version of John Cena. Again,

911
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,800
I know, I'm in the minority. I was really enjoying it.

912
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,000
I understand why people didn't like that he I think

913
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,880
people a lot of people wanted him to be more

914
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,920
overtly evil and whatnot, where he actually underplayed it. But

915
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:36,559
I liked it. I thought it was cool. I thought

916
00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:39,559
it was very intriguing. I really enjoyed it, and I

917
00:47:39,559 --> 00:47:41,760
thought the face turn back seemed a little rushed.

918
00:47:42,119 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 3: What were you gonna say? Oh, yeah, that was so funny.

919
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,360
Yeah when he's like, I'm going to ruin wrestling.

920
00:47:48,159 --> 00:47:48,639
Speaker 5: I loved that.

921
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:49,679
Speaker 3: I loved that too.

922
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: I thought it was cool. I really enjoyed heel John Cena,

923
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:53,119
what did you think?

924
00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. I really enjoyed his promos, But it

925
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:03,679
started to get a little repetitive, like he didn't have

926
00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:06,880
anything new coming out. It's just kept saying the same

927
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,760
thing over and over again. It's just it kind of

928
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,719
got repetitive. So I think when Cody finally because you're right,

929
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,280
it did feel rushed a little bit. But you saw

930
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,960
bits and pieces of good Sena coming out the past

931
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,679
few weeks before that, and I think I think they

932
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,440
were trying to lead up to it, but obviously they

933
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,079
wanted to take the belt off him and put on Cody. So, uh,

934
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:33,559
mister Lesnar can go ahead and a big introduction.

935
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:40,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you think about that one coming back?

936
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:41,679
Speaker 5: What do you think about Lesner coming back?

937
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 2: I love it, I love it. I know I know

938
00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:49,239
it was basically it was basically John's wish to go

939
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,760
ahead and wrestle Lesnar. That's why he's back. It's it

940
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,320
has nothing to do with well, he's gonna draw big

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money and no, no, he'll he'll draw big money. But

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that was a request from Sena. Sina wants to get

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all his adversaries. Yes, it was reported Scena requested Lesna. Yeah,

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so he wants to fight lesno one more so this

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retirement tour is basically to get all. If you ever

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seen Rocky five where it's like, listen, I got to

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get the beast out of me. I can't hold on.

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He's trying to get the beast out of literally in

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this case, he's trying to get the beast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, she should take care of everybody that he

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needs one more time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense, which I

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don't agree.

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't agree with Logan Paul. Why would

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he be on that list? I don't. I don't understand

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that that storyline with one bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Charles, we are approaching the top of the hour,

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so we got to begin to wrap up.

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Speaker 3: The time goes so quickly.

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Speaker 1: But we should definitely do this more often, my friend,

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because uh, I always enjoy having you on and uh

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you know, and anytime you want me to have be

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on your show, I'd love to do that as well.

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But I do want to make sure, so where should

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people go to find not only your show well, but

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also the show that you do with Josh Zodiac. I

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want to make sure everyone knows where to go to

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find your content.

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Speaker 2: So my show Search the Charles Richardson Show on Facebook

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like my page. All my shows go live on that

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page from eight to ten pm Monday Wednesday, hopefully both

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and any interaction or possible topics I may be talking

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about will be listed there as well. I used as

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my reference sheet YouTube same thing search Search the Charles

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Richardson Show. I have a channel with so many subscribers, kidding,

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but so many subscribers that you can go ahead and

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do it. It's free for now, but after that it's

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gonna be twenty nine ninety five. I'm launching my own

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app with competing against ESPN. The Josh Zodiac Podcast. Same

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Thing Josh Zodiac podcast on all social media. He is

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available on podcast on the podcast on iHeartRadio, Apple podcasts,

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anywhere podcasts are done. You can search that right there

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and boom it pops up.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic fantastic. Well, Charles, thank you so much, my friend.

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Like I said, we must do this more often. And

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I really appreciate you, appreciate you joining us today, and

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we'll we'll talk again soon, I'm sure.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Just have Jenny get in contact with me. I'm

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able to do it, all right.

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Speaker 1: Sounds great, All right, Charles, try to try to stay

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cool down there.

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Speaker 3: I know it's hot, so.

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Speaker 1: And we'll talk to you all right, You got it, Thanks,

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take care all right. That was Charles Richardson from The

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Charles Richardson Show, and I always love talking to Charles