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<v Speaker 1>Hello, everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the

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<v Speaker 1>Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donny Peters, and I

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<v Speaker 1>will not be the only voice you are hearing on

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<v Speaker 1>this microphone. I got my guy Remco Rinkim along side

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<v Speaker 1>of me. Plus we got some audio from plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>players as well. We're gonna get into all of that

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<v Speaker 1>as we recap day one of the w s AP

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<v Speaker 1>Main Event Final Table. I guess day nine overall, ten, whatever, twelve, eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like today was four days in one with

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<v Speaker 1>how long these guys played, well over one hundred hands

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<v Speaker 1>on day one. The plan coming into the day was

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<v Speaker 1>to go from nine down to six. They didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>make it there. They only got down to seven. They

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<v Speaker 1>ended up calling it quits at the end of level

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<v Speaker 1>forty one. Lucas Jumalan's the chip leader. Han Feng had

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<v Speaker 1>a surge. He's second in chips. Greg went the other way.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the short stack, but he's still alive. It just

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely crazy scenes here at Horseshoe Down on the Loss

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<v Speaker 1>of Vegas trip Remcro just first off the cuff, thoughts,

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<v Speaker 1>what did you see here? The atmosphere, whatever you want

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<v Speaker 1>to throw at me, just throw it.

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<v Speaker 2>At me, Well, this is why past my bedtime.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very true, very true.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta correct myself. We've we've now made day ten.

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<v Speaker 2>This was day nine. And the reason I was thinking

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<v Speaker 2>of that is because I spoke to Michael Gagliano, who

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<v Speaker 2>said that it's important to mention that he's made day ten,

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<v Speaker 2>which is not something you ever say when you play

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<v Speaker 2>poker poker tournaments. But yeah, it's it's it's it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of surreal, this this final table business. I was never

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<v Speaker 2>fortunate enough to travel out for November nine because I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't live in Vegas at the time, so my final

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<v Speaker 2>liple memories of the main event are sort of in

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<v Speaker 2>the post November nine era, and I've been to all

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<v Speaker 2>of them since, which have all been really cool experiences

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<v Speaker 2>in and of itself. And this is another first for

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<v Speaker 2>us because you know, at poker Go, we're no longer

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<v Speaker 2>doing our thing the way we have in the past,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're a little bit more on the sidelines, which

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's you know, it's neither good nor bad

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<v Speaker 2>for our experience, but it does change the way we

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<v Speaker 2>we sort of move around here a little bit and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, trying to find our footing. But the one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that I think cannot be understated is how freaking

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<v Speaker 2>cool this whole set is, this whole stage, the entire production.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, tons of people from pocer Goo is still

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<v Speaker 2>you know, involved in some capacity or at least people

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<v Speaker 2>that we work with at poker Go. And just the energy,

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<v Speaker 2>the atmosphere, the excitement from from the players, the rail

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<v Speaker 2>you can even see, you know, the staff is buzzing,

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<v Speaker 2>the waiters are walking one step faster. There's just a

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<v Speaker 2>certain energy in the room. Ran into Michaelmas, Rocky, Maria

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<v Speaker 2>j Brin Kenny was walking around. There was like a

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<v Speaker 2>VIP lounge for the sponsor Solana. So all in all,

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<v Speaker 2>fantastic first night of poker. From that perspective, the atmosphere

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<v Speaker 2>was definitely great, but don him curious to hear your thoughts.

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely felt like things fell very flat when you

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<v Speaker 2>look at this from a poker fan slash consumer perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>just because of you know, I guess the expected style

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<v Speaker 2>of play coming into the final table.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's two different buckets for how fans would

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<v Speaker 1>look at this first day of the Final table. There

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<v Speaker 1>are the diehard poker enthusiasts who I think you and

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<v Speaker 1>I would probably fall under, and a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>listeners of this podcast would also fall into that category

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<v Speaker 1>as well, where they love the shit right, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>care if it might be ICM ball out there and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a little bit more boring, and the pre flop

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<v Speaker 1>all ins just aren't there every other hand and that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of stuff. But then on the other side of things,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this is now back on ESPN. This first

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<v Speaker 1>night was on ESPN two. They're going to be moving

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<v Speaker 1>to ESPN one or just ESPN on Wednesday or sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday and Wednesday. And if you're just flipping through the channels,

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking for something to land on. The kids have

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<v Speaker 1>gone to sleep, you know, maybe the wife is dozing

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<v Speaker 1>off as well. You're like, what am I gonna land on?

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<v Speaker 1>There's not really that many sports on, especially this late

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<v Speaker 1>at night. Oh what, Poker's back on ESPN. But then

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<v Speaker 1>you start watching it, and if you're more of a

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<v Speaker 1>casual viewer era as Nick Shulman might say, a civilian,

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<v Speaker 1>you maybe you're like, well, what this is so boring?

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<v Speaker 1>No one's doing anything. You know, there's one guy dressed

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<v Speaker 1>like mister Wall Street bets. There's another guy looking like

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<v Speaker 1>do Flamingo over there with the pink boa no buttons

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<v Speaker 1>on his shirt. That's Han Fang. We'll get into all

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of stuff later. But for as loud as

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<v Speaker 1>the players and the rail and everything, the actual play

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't that loud, right, So I think it depending on

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<v Speaker 1>what side of a fan you are. If you're the

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<v Speaker 1>die hard, you love it and you like getting into

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<v Speaker 1>the nitty grittiness of it all, and you don't mind

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<v Speaker 1>the small wall approach and the tight folds that people

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<v Speaker 1>are making because you understand the ICM dynamics at play

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the game within the game. But for the

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<v Speaker 1>casual fan, you might be like, where's the aces versus queens?

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<v Speaker 1>Where's the suck out, where's the ace king versus you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the the pocket tens and the guy flops an ace

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<v Speaker 1>and rivers that, Like, where is all this sort of stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what is happening? So it's hard, right. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was a good first night. I thought that night

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<v Speaker 1>one was gonna go like this. You know, we had

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<v Speaker 1>some pre we had our regular work meetings, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know some of the people were saying like, oh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go so fast. I thought it was so fast,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, no, no shot. Like, if you

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<v Speaker 1>watch these guys playing on day eight getting down to

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<v Speaker 1>the final table, a lot of them once the page

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<v Speaker 1>jumps got bigger and bigger, it was like, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta kind of lock down. And that's also what allowed

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<v Speaker 1>Lucas Jumlan to get that huge chip lead, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>then you couple that with the fact that they give

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<v Speaker 1>these guys two and a half to three weeks off.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's going home, all these players, I mean, even someone

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<v Speaker 1>like Greg Mueller, Like I know, he's not necessarily the

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<v Speaker 1>most studied player out there, and you touched a lot

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<v Speaker 1>on the Faciase podcast with him, by the way, listen

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<v Speaker 1>to that if you haven't already, it's back on this

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<v Speaker 1>feed or on the Pokagro YouTube channel. But even someone

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<v Speaker 1>like him, he sure has like Sean Buchannan in his

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<v Speaker 1>ear like Okay, you should do this, you should do that.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was evidence on the second hand of the

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<v Speaker 1>day when Michael Gagliano opens early Position and Mueller fold

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<v Speaker 1>days Jack suited, So it's like immediately out of the gate,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, that's how Greg's gonna approach this, and

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<v Speaker 1>He's the last one you would expect to approach it

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Now, the play did kind of loosen up

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, and players acted a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>cavalier as things went on, But early on it was

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<v Speaker 1>very evident that the players were going to just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of lock in. And I think part of that is, like,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously the pay jumps getting much bigger. You're now under

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<v Speaker 1>the final table, bright lights, everyone is watching. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're on ESPN two Live. You probably don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>make an ass to yourself and make some big mistake,

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<v Speaker 1>And then you probably had a lot of people in

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<v Speaker 1>your ears being like, Hey, this is the chip position,

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<v Speaker 1>this is your ICM value, this is how you got

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<v Speaker 1>to approach things. These are the only hands that you

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<v Speaker 1>can raise from early position like that, you can't do this,

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<v Speaker 1>this and this. You can't just be defending from the

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<v Speaker 1>big blind with the Queen three off suit anymore. Like

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just how it is. You can't go broke

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<v Speaker 1>with top pair or second pair. If you have a

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<v Speaker 1>flush straw, don't go nuts. Like all that sort of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff just starts getting into everyone's minds and then they

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<v Speaker 1>kind of just play everything a bit more close to

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<v Speaker 1>the vest, which we saw you also had two short

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<v Speaker 1>stacks who really weren't going anywhere. That didn't help, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the speed of play or the excitement of play out there.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, the diehard in me did enjoy it. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought the rails were pretty good overall.

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<v Speaker 1>I did want find myself wanting a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>chanting like they did get after its Yeah, like that's

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<v Speaker 1>when it started to really pick up, right, But before

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<v Speaker 1>that I expected to see a little bit more chanting,

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<v Speaker 1>mostly from I think Greg's rail Mueller Israel, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I thought that was good overall, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>excited to see what happens going forward. Han Feng had

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<v Speaker 1>himself one hell of a day. Started second to last

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<v Speaker 1>and Chips finished second to first, and Chips so had

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<v Speaker 1>an incredible run of things. Probably, I mean, we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>to him a little bit later. I interviewed him afterwards,

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<v Speaker 1>and he'll tell you like, he couldn't have imagined a

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<v Speaker 1>better start. Lucas Jumlan, he started off kind of hot,

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<v Speaker 1>then he had a lull where it was like, oh, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>here comes the slide, and then he hit this run

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<v Speaker 1>of hands where it was like five six, seven, eight,

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<v Speaker 1>hands in a row where he just won them all

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<v Speaker 1>and it was like boom, I'm back over two hundred million.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Greg Mueller had some interesting moments throughout it, like he

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<v Speaker 1>was he pulled out the check dark at one point

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<v Speaker 1>we were both like, what the hell is happening here?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's important with this in the Jumalan first

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<v Speaker 2>because you know he touched briefly upon getting coached by

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick Leonard, and also how you know, and also you know,

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<v Speaker 2>me being face to face with him talking to him

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<v Speaker 2>just minutes after play concluded. Just the guy just seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be made for this spot. He's so cold, he's

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<v Speaker 2>so relaxed, he just seems ready for the moment. And

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<v Speaker 2>that was great to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, let's just go to it right now.

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<v Speaker 1>So here is Lucas Jumalan immediately following the bagging of

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<v Speaker 1>chips talking to Remco.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Lucas, this first night for you, it seems as

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<v Speaker 2>though you had a game plan, you stuck to it.

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<v Speaker 2>You were able to pressure your opponents, which is something

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<v Speaker 2>you of course have to do with the big stack.

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<v Speaker 2>But how you look back on it, are you satisfied

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<v Speaker 2>with where you are right now?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean satisfied to still be in the tournament

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<v Speaker 3>right and what the chip lead still is great and

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<v Speaker 3>we're just gonna adapt to the situation tomorrow and whatever

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<v Speaker 3>whatever they throw out as we'll be okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick Leonard told me and Donnie before play started. He goes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on team USA for today, and he posted some

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<v Speaker 2>stuff on his stories studying with you, perhaps running some sims.

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<v Speaker 2>What wasn't been like to work with someone like Pats?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he's the emptt goat, so it's just been

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<v Speaker 3>truly an honor and I can't thank him enough. And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I wouldn't have played nearly as well today

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<v Speaker 4>In the work with him.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just so thankful for all of his support and

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<v Speaker 3>time that he's put in him.

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<v Speaker 2>What is this daven like? Was it what you expected

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<v Speaker 2>it to be? Did you feel any more adrenaline? Were

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I've like never gotten too high, too low.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just like not me.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, I'm I'm good. I'm ready to go

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<v Speaker 3>tomorrow and we'll it'll probably set in after it's all over,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know, I'm just just right in the wave.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the things I would be curious and

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<v Speaker 1>we can never like replay this. But had Lucas Jummelan

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<v Speaker 1>ended the night, had the night come to an end

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<v Speaker 1>when he was on the slide, I wonder how he

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<v Speaker 1>would have talked to you right right like, because he

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<v Speaker 1>got down to a run one hundred and fifty hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and sixty million, right, and it would look like not

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<v Speaker 1>that he was really ever in jeopardy of losing the chipley,

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<v Speaker 1>but you had Lori Sascelotti starting to come up. You

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<v Speaker 1>had Han Fang starting to come up at the end,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was like, wait, hold on. Even at one

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<v Speaker 1>point you had Greg Mueller starting to come up. He

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<v Speaker 1>hit over eighty million, it was like, wait, is this

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<v Speaker 1>gonna start to go the wrong way for Jumalan. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>he did course correct towards the end. He caught some

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<v Speaker 1>heat to finish things out. So spirits are high. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I just in an alternate universe, I would

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<v Speaker 1>have been like, hey, your first question would have been

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<v Speaker 1>something like, hey, maybe it didn't go as you might

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<v Speaker 1>have expected. You know, how are you going to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of regroup overnight, refocus, lock back in for tomorrow? I said,

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<v Speaker 1>On the last podcast, when I was doing it myself,

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of previewing the table, I said, I think

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<v Speaker 1>this kid wants the smoke, meaning I think he wants

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<v Speaker 1>to be champion, he wants the spotlight, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that. I think there are two different things to want.

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<v Speaker 1>There's wanting to win the WSP main event. There's wanting

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<v Speaker 1>to win ten million dollars and like, you get the

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<v Speaker 1>glory of the bracelet all that sort of stuff, But

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<v Speaker 1>do you really want to be Poker's ambassador and be

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<v Speaker 1>in the spotlight. That is an entirely different thing, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of just thrust on players, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think everyone in their heart of hearts would admit that

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<v Speaker 1>they want that. They want to everything else and then

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<v Speaker 1>they don't want to have to do that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Lucas Jumelan wants it all, every single part

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<v Speaker 1>of it, which I think is great.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think Patter Lenard also tweeted or put it

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<v Speaker 2>to be the champion, And you make a really good point.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a difference between wanting to win ten million and

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to be the champion. And carried carried that torture

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<v Speaker 2>or how you want to call it, because that was

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<v Speaker 2>very apparent from the way he was sort of carrying

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<v Speaker 2>himself around the table. He also, you know, in true

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<v Speaker 2>chip leader style. You know, we think back of guys

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<v Speaker 2>like Joe McKee and kry Aldemir Jose Ensan who had

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<v Speaker 2>dominating chip leads. He also played like a chip leader.

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<v Speaker 2>And there was one streak where you and I were

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<v Speaker 2>watching as we were dipping in and out. I think

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<v Speaker 2>he won five or six hands in a row, and

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<v Speaker 2>then a double up hand Fang, which was sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a pivotal hand. That sort of change changed things around

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<v Speaker 2>for Feng, who had been short for a very long time,

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<v Speaker 2>literally just waiting for for a hand for him then

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<v Speaker 2>to get it in. I was thinking it was Queen

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<v Speaker 2>Jack of clubs on Queen ten nine with two clubs

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<v Speaker 2>versus Ace four with only the ace of clubs from

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<v Speaker 2>Jumalan that allowed him to double up, and that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, halted his I guess way of running

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<v Speaker 2>over the table for just a few minutes, but he

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<v Speaker 2>continued pressing and pressing and pressing, and he back to

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and twelve million chips. Eighty five big blinds

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<v Speaker 2>Han Feg second and chips with forty three bigs, which

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<v Speaker 2>you know very unlikely, but you had a chance to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to him. I did talk to him afterwards. Cameras

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<v Speaker 2>were all over this guy, rightfully so, wearing that pink bow.

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<v Speaker 1>As I mentioned. If you guys haven't seen the photos,

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<v Speaker 1>if you haven't seen the coverage, you need to check

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<v Speaker 1>it out. For what Han Feng showed up in I

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<v Speaker 1>had to ask him about it in the interview. Also

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<v Speaker 1>asked him about his day. Here is me talking to

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<v Speaker 1>Han Feng immediately following play. All right, Han Feng, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>second shortest to come into the day, second biggest stack,

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<v Speaker 1>going through the secondary of the final table. Could you

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<v Speaker 1>have imagined a better day?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 6>This is this is like if I could choose.

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<v Speaker 2>An outcome, this was it. This was it.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think I get much better way unless like

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<v Speaker 6>somehow I have more chips in lucas, but that's almost

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<v Speaker 6>impossible mathematically, right, But this is as good as it gets.

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<v Speaker 6>So second and chips come back tomorrow five PM. A

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<v Speaker 6>lot of time to prepare. I'm a little sweaty, a

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<v Speaker 6>little stinky, very thirsty. Uh yeah, they got really good

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<v Speaker 6>shots on me. I can't wait to see those.

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<v Speaker 1>So talk to me about the mindset where you're battling

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<v Speaker 1>for as one of the shorter stacks for much of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, right, and then you get that late serge.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, how is you just stay in the moment

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<v Speaker 1>and be able to focus through it all when you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're when you're rushing towards the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 6>It's just hand by hand, man, That's all I can say.

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<v Speaker 6>It's just hand by hand. Uh, just know my strategy

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<v Speaker 6>go as I like. It's just one hand at a time.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, it's it's just as simple as that. I

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<v Speaker 6>don't have like a uh, I'm not like trying to

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<v Speaker 6>do anything. It's just you know, I know my spot,

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<v Speaker 6>I know my hand, and then I just I just

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<v Speaker 6>play that no no ego, no.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It kept going over to your rail quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe not the biggest rail here at final table, but

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<v Speaker 1>definitely one that you're close with. You talked a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>you got Michael Joe's up there helping you coaching. Just

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<v Speaker 1>talk to me about having that support system right behind you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's awesome.

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<v Speaker 6>It's kind of like a nice little mental stability sort

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<v Speaker 6>of thing.

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<v Speaker 7>Keep me saying, and yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He got picked out.

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<v Speaker 4>The guy was screaming. I don't know if you guys heard.

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<v Speaker 1>That's unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 6>But yeah, he's like a lot of people here that

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<v Speaker 6>are like big brothers to me. Love the support from Houston,

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<v Speaker 6>repping Houston. Maybe we do it again, Tomaio, And now

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<v Speaker 6>I'm next.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk to me about the fit. I got, what went

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<v Speaker 1>into it? What's the inspiration behind it?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay?

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<v Speaker 6>So I told the other interviewers early on before we started,

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<v Speaker 6>this is I'm dope Flamingo from One Piece, which is

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<v Speaker 6>One Piece of anime. I think it's the most profitable

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<v Speaker 6>anime there is. And I was watching so he's like

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<v Speaker 6>in one of the he was one of the arcs

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<v Speaker 6>in one of the arcs are I'm very tired in

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<v Speaker 6>one of the major arcs of One Piece where everything

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<v Speaker 6>starts to happen. This is the main villain in that.

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<v Speaker 6>And and I was watching all this during days like

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<v Speaker 6>three to six on day breaks.

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<v Speaker 2>I just got very inspired. I felt the calling.

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<v Speaker 6>So I bought this uniform across student and I was

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<v Speaker 6>just the biggest thing was hoping his fit right, and a.

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<v Speaker 1>Fit amazing, A fit amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't complain.

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<v Speaker 6>So, yeah, and it's good TV.

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<v Speaker 2>It's good TV.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's definitely great TV.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, last question here, So now you're second in

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<v Speaker 1>Chip's heading forward to the second day. What's the mentality now?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, before you're probably trying to ladder up a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of spots, but now it's like, I got a

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<v Speaker 1>shot to win this game.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing.

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<v Speaker 4>I was never trying the ladder, that's my answer.

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<v Speaker 1>You heard Hans ay they're tired, thirsty. Right before the interview,

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<v Speaker 1>before I officially started asking him questions, He's like, is

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<v Speaker 1>there a water around? There's no water around. I was like, no, man,

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<v Speaker 1>it just looks like empty beers everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's the opposite of Greg Mueller who kept saying, man,

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<v Speaker 2>drink so much water. I have to peel like every

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<v Speaker 2>he So.

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<v Speaker 1>For people who don't know a little bit inside baseball here,

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<v Speaker 1>but we were set up in media row. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>curtain between us. Then there's a bunch of like the

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<v Speaker 1>salon of VIP Lounge or the production area, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>We're a good fifty to one hundred feet away from

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<v Speaker 1>the table. We can't exactly see the table due to

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<v Speaker 1>the curtains. But they didn't have official breaks due to

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<v Speaker 1>the coverage, right, But they did have commercial breaks of

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<v Speaker 1>course on ESPN two, and during those, let's say anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>from two minutes to maybe five, six, seven minutes of

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<v Speaker 1>a commercial break, the players would get up and run

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<v Speaker 1>to the bathroom. And Mueller for sure was the most

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<v Speaker 1>frequent bathroom goer by far. Oh yeah, Laurie Sascolotti always

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<v Speaker 1>went swell those two. Han Fang, I would say it

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<v Speaker 1>was a probably third. But other than that, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I saw Lucas Jumlan one time. I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>he probably didn't drink any water today. Mario Boose I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't see him at all, you know. But but Mueller

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<v Speaker 1>was back here a plenty, which was which was pretty crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Mueller seemed in good spirits overall with things. He was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of all over the place, as I think we

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<v Speaker 1>would expect coming into this final table.

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<v Speaker 2>His brother was here with his kids.

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<v Speaker 1>His brother was here with his kids. He had he

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<v Speaker 1>had pretty sure the biggest rail. They were loud at times,

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<v Speaker 1>not tallest, yes, for sure. Rick Talckett, former NHL player

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<v Speaker 1>coach of the Philadelphia Flyers, called a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Called him a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>It was such a hot It was the kids just

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<v Speaker 1>out there doing it like it's such such a hockey thing.

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<v Speaker 1>That was cool to see. I didn't see Sean Buchanan,

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<v Speaker 1>but I didn't really walk out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Sean mcannon was probably covered under a hoodie like he

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<v Speaker 2>always does. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>David Odie be bigger friend of the pod, always a listener.

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<v Speaker 1>He was out there as well with his wife. They

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<v Speaker 1>were in the FBT shirts. I gotta say, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not digging the Shadow hat. I know what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's obviously for Shadow Creek, but it just treads a

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<v Speaker 1>bit too much on Jerry Yang the Shadow.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, it's so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Mueller's nickname is FBT, and I think if you tune in,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll be like, oh, this guy is the Shadow. You

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<v Speaker 1>start calling in the Shadow. Well he's not the Shadow.

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<v Speaker 1>The fucking Shadow is Jerry Yang. Okay, that's just how

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<v Speaker 1>it is. I'm sorry, Greg.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought maybe he like come out with like a

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<v Speaker 2>hockey themed hat or something, but the shadow thing is

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<v Speaker 2>just stuck. And he mentioned it on the podcast that

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<v Speaker 2>I did with him, how Mad Glands and Natcho were

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<v Speaker 2>calling him the Shadow, which obviously you can't change your

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<v Speaker 2>nickname mid career, which is not allowed.

421
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<v Speaker 1>It's like a guy in his corner Bucky. People call

422
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<v Speaker 1>Matthew Wantman Bucky, and I'm like, yeah.

423
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<v Speaker 2>But no, it's not Bucky. No, it's the same. Whenever

424
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<v Speaker 2>someone has Bucky. I'm like, I didn't know Sean M.

425
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<v Speaker 2>Cannon was here, and then he's I done. He read

426
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<v Speaker 2>for some stats. Yeah, let's go. Okay. I ran some

427
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<v Speaker 2>numbers using the old AI shadowed by by the Poconoos,

428
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<v Speaker 2>doing hand for hand coverage. It's it's a it's a job.

429
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<v Speaker 2>Someone has to do it, and I'm.

430
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<v Speaker 1>Happy to think I was. I was slamming refresh. I'm like,

431
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<v Speaker 1>what hand are they on? What's going on? You know

432
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<v Speaker 1>you have to It's it's God's work they're they're doing

433
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<v Speaker 1>out there.

434
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<v Speaker 2>So okay, here we go. One and thirty one hands played.

435
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<v Speaker 2>I believe that's correct. My talian perhaps ended a bit

436
00:20:05.559 --> 00:20:07.920
<v Speaker 2>too soon because they were still playing by the time

437
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<v Speaker 2>we were recording on the On the broadcast, let me

438
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<v Speaker 2>just refresh real quick. Jumalan had thirty four preflub raises Geez,

439
00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:18.079
<v Speaker 2>and second best was Jamie Shavell, who had eighteen preflub

440
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<v Speaker 2>raises and Shavell was all in five times. Han Feng

441
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<v Speaker 2>was all in seven times, So like goes to show

442
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<v Speaker 2>that those guys were getting after it. If we look

443
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<v Speaker 2>at the standings now, Shavell was not rewarded for his aggression.

444
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<v Speaker 2>He's got thirteen bigs coming into the next day.

445
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<v Speaker 1>But one of those all ins he lost to Rami Hamoud. Yes,

446
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<v Speaker 1>and he had the tens versus the acet Queen that

447
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<v Speaker 1>left him pretty short and he had to fight from

448
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<v Speaker 1>there but still alive.

449
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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, exactly, And that's whole that's the whole thing.

450
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<v Speaker 2>It's all about survival. Greg Mueller went into that as well.

451
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<v Speaker 2>I spoke to him at length. The first question, by

452
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<v Speaker 2>the way, I'll tee this up. First question is is

453
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<v Speaker 2>inside baseball And only if you listen to the podcast

454
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<v Speaker 2>that I did with him will it all make sense.

455
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<v Speaker 2>But Greg explains it a little bit. So tonight chicken

456
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<v Speaker 2>in broccoli or ice cream?

457
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<v Speaker 4>You know what, there's no plan. I mean, we might

458
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<v Speaker 4>end up at Johnny Rockets, which would have milkshake, which

459
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<v Speaker 4>is like ice cream, will not be chicken and broccoli.

460
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<v Speaker 4>But not because I'm tilted or anything. I'm just hungry.

461
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<v Speaker 4>So whatever I'm craving, you know. I feel like I

462
00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:28.680
<v Speaker 4>made one air. It's arguably hard to say it was

463
00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:31.759
<v Speaker 4>an air. I played the hand poorly from start to finish.

464
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<v Speaker 4>If I three bet, I win the hand. If I

465
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<v Speaker 4>lead on the flop, I win the hand. If I

466
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<v Speaker 4>check raise, I win the hand. If I bet the turn,

467
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<v Speaker 4>I win the hand. The only way I don't win

468
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<v Speaker 4>the hand is when I check fold the river, which

469
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<v Speaker 4>I had full intentions of check calling. That was a

470
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<v Speaker 4>big pot. It was a big turning point. I'd be

471
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<v Speaker 4>at the time, like endless chips, a little irritated about that.

472
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<v Speaker 4>Other than that, I'm very happy with my play. I

473
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<v Speaker 4>didn't get too many cards, and I battle in there

474
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<v Speaker 4>so there would be no reason for me to go

475
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<v Speaker 4>on to the ice cream. And I realize how blessed

476
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<v Speaker 4>I am see this rail, I mean incredible to see

477
00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:06.880
<v Speaker 4>incredible like these guys took time from their lives, flying

478
00:22:06.920 --> 00:22:13.160
<v Speaker 4>in from everywhere and relentless cheer support like positivity. I mean,

479
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<v Speaker 4>it's unbelievable.

480
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<v Speaker 2>There's so many things that I can bring up here.

481
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<v Speaker 2>We could talk for an hour straight just about tonight

482
00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:22.160
<v Speaker 2>because I saw so many, so many different things unfold

483
00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:24.359
<v Speaker 2>in front of my eyes. But I want to start

484
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<v Speaker 2>with the rail because the amount of noise, the amount

485
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<v Speaker 2>of beverages that were being consumed, the amount of just

486
00:22:31.599 --> 00:22:34.960
<v Speaker 2>overall cheer that was going on. Yeah, does that add

487
00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:37.559
<v Speaker 2>more pressure to perform because you don't want these guys

488
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<v Speaker 2>to come here and girls for a ninth place finish.

489
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I mean, truthfully, there's a bit of pressure. I said,

490
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<v Speaker 4>you know, these I gotta, we gotta you know, I

491
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<v Speaker 4>want to do it for them. So, but I mean

492
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<v Speaker 4>the amount they fired me up and they could see

493
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<v Speaker 4>maybe I was hunched over a little bit, you know,

494
00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:57.640
<v Speaker 4>st pepped me up, and when I did win a hand,

495
00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:02.559
<v Speaker 4>never stopping singing okay, you know, like in a classy,

496
00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:04.759
<v Speaker 4>positive way, going at it with the other rail like

497
00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:08.359
<v Speaker 4>it was. I mean, I'm a winner winner. It was

498
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<v Speaker 4>just based on that.

499
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<v Speaker 2>You know, his name escases me of the code to

500
00:23:12.680 --> 00:23:15.799
<v Speaker 2>Philadelphia Flyers coach talk Rick talking. He was on the

501
00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:18.240
<v Speaker 2>broadcast in the ESPN and he called you a kid.

502
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<v Speaker 2>I thought that was the most purest hockey sort of

503
00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:25.559
<v Speaker 2>speeches or hockey speak, if you will, y, And I

504
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<v Speaker 2>just love how it felt like, you know, I could

505
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<v Speaker 2>feel the camaraderie. I could feel sort of the spirit

506
00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:33.279
<v Speaker 2>that you guys all sort of carrys as hockey players play.

507
00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Playing with the alumni, do you feel like you you

508
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<v Speaker 2>have all their support and how what is it like

509
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<v Speaker 2>to have that sort of I guess you know hockey

510
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<v Speaker 2>spirit here.

511
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's it's it's that's what's so great about the

512
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<v Speaker 4>hockey community. You know, we're we're all the boys, and

513
00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:50.160
<v Speaker 4>it's a team game. Everybody's in it for each other,

514
00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:53.240
<v Speaker 4>and you have fun. You juice each other, you make

515
00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:55.279
<v Speaker 4>fun of each other, but it's all in good fun

516
00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:57.799
<v Speaker 4>and you have each other's backs. And like I said,

517
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<v Speaker 4>it's uh so fortunate just for this experience is some

518
00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:04.799
<v Speaker 4>I'll never forget ever, regardless of how much money I

519
00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:06.519
<v Speaker 4>make or what place I finish. I mean, this is

520
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<v Speaker 4>just a moment I'll cherish forever.

521
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<v Speaker 2>Important question about the hand that you are a little

522
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<v Speaker 2>frustrated with. What was it in the moment that didn't

523
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<v Speaker 2>allow you to make those better decisions?

524
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I don't. I just kept changing my game plan

525
00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:27.400
<v Speaker 4>throughout the hand, and you know, ultimately I got to

526
00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:30.839
<v Speaker 4>give him credit. He barreled very big, put his not

527
00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:33.680
<v Speaker 4>his tournament life because he had me cover. But if

528
00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:37.319
<v Speaker 4>I call that he is extremely crippled and I'm cruising,

529
00:24:37.640 --> 00:24:40.039
<v Speaker 4>and hey, he made a good play. He didn't have

530
00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:42.160
<v Speaker 4>a better hand, and he won the plot. So I

531
00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:43.839
<v Speaker 4>don't want to take anything away from him. Just a

532
00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:46.720
<v Speaker 4>little frustrated myself because I feel like I had a

533
00:24:46.759 --> 00:24:49.000
<v Speaker 4>beat on him and I had a plan and just

534
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<v Speaker 4>kind of straight a bit from him.

535
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<v Speaker 2>You know, final thing here? What sort of preparation or

536
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<v Speaker 2>maybe contemplation is necessary for tomorrow?

537
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I need a good sleep and I just got

538
00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:05.039
<v Speaker 4>to have a good, good, good energy and positive attitude

539
00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:09.759
<v Speaker 4>because you know, these things as you see change so fast.

540
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:15.200
<v Speaker 4>Hand hit a three outer and now he's crushing, right,

541
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:18.440
<v Speaker 4>it just goes so quick. He's not crushing it's numberin level,

542
00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:20.119
<v Speaker 4>but he's crushing it. You know.

543
00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:22.839
<v Speaker 2>That's right here.

544
00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:25.720
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, I mean you just have to come back

545
00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:29.359
<v Speaker 4>and not give up. Be positive. Hey, if somebody told

546
00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:31.240
<v Speaker 4>me you're going to be the shortest stack with seven

547
00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:34.680
<v Speaker 4>left at the main event on the final table, Like,

548
00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:36.920
<v Speaker 4>where would I sign the dotted line? Like do you

549
00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:39.160
<v Speaker 4>know what I mean? So I can't I can't be negative.

550
00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:41.839
<v Speaker 4>I have to be positive, coming with a good attitude

551
00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:43.519
<v Speaker 4>and ready to go. Hey, don't kill me.

552
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<v Speaker 1>Out down, but not out is Greg Mueller. And you

553
00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:49.960
<v Speaker 1>guys heard him talk about it there, and we want

554
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<v Speaker 1>to get into this hand because it was one of

555
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<v Speaker 1>the bigger, more interesting and also entertaining hands at the

556
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<v Speaker 1>final table. It was the one where Greg had the

557
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<v Speaker 1>King jack off from the blind against his finished counterpart

558
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:06.680
<v Speaker 1>to Lourie Sascolotti, who opened queen Ate suited and then

559
00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:11.000
<v Speaker 1>just barreled off on the King six four five six board,

560
00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:15.039
<v Speaker 1>leading to a river fold from Muller, putting the best

561
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<v Speaker 1>hand in the muck and allowing Sascolotti to chip up

562
00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:24.759
<v Speaker 1>quite nicely. But it also allowed Mueller to drop right back.

563
00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:27.160
<v Speaker 1>This was right after he was kind of surging right,

564
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:30.680
<v Speaker 1>He was kind of started slipping early on just just

565
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<v Speaker 1>not not like losing any really big pods. It was

566
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<v Speaker 1>more like a couple of million here, a couple of

567
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<v Speaker 1>million there.

568
00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Whatever.

569
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<v Speaker 1>Then he starts running back up, back up, back up.

570
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:40.160
<v Speaker 1>He's got eighty million. Then he plays this big hand.

571
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<v Speaker 1>And honestly, when when we were watching it, I saw

572
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<v Speaker 1>the open, I see him call, I see the flop

573
00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:51.119
<v Speaker 1>come out, and I say, okay, Mueller is about to

574
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<v Speaker 1>fucking have one hundred million, Like he's about to just

575
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:57.839
<v Speaker 1>cause because Sascallotti's a very interesting cat, Like he's on

576
00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:02.480
<v Speaker 1>one side of things, he he'll like opt to play conservative.

577
00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:04.440
<v Speaker 1>On the other side of things, he'll like just have

578
00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:06.440
<v Speaker 1>these moments. When I was like, you know what, fa yolo,

579
00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:08.640
<v Speaker 1>let's go like I'm the Finnish guy who likes plo.

580
00:27:09.079 --> 00:27:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's just bos the wall. So I was like, okay,

581
00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:14.079
<v Speaker 1>he might just like go nuts here. And when he

582
00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:16.559
<v Speaker 1>when Soascallotti bet the turn, I was like, oh, like

583
00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:19.000
<v Speaker 1>he's he's going for it. And then I was like, Midler,

584
00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:21.279
<v Speaker 1>you just got to click call, I know, and the

585
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:26.319
<v Speaker 1>blind check was like he baffling. Yeah, So on the

586
00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:30.119
<v Speaker 1>so Soascallott he bets the turn, and Mueller does two

587
00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:33.000
<v Speaker 1>things that I thought were very interesting. One he called

588
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:36.759
<v Speaker 1>within two seconds yep, and then he immediately checked dark.

589
00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:39.519
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, God, this is the ubas be made

590
00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:41.880
<v Speaker 1>of that file table. Why are we snap calling?

591
00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:42.599
<v Speaker 2>I listen.

592
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:45.200
<v Speaker 1>I know we don't want people to be tanking out there,

593
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:48.400
<v Speaker 1>but the snap call check dark, I mean, that's Phil

594
00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:50.400
<v Speaker 1>help me, that's not Greg Mueller.

595
00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:53.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean what was that. I have no idea, and

596
00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:55.319
<v Speaker 2>I think Greg still doesn't know why he did that.

597
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:57.880
<v Speaker 2>I think he was, you know, actively trying to still

598
00:27:57.880 --> 00:27:59.480
<v Speaker 2>figure it out as we were talking.

599
00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:01.599
<v Speaker 1>But I think it was I think it was him

600
00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:05.519
<v Speaker 1>just like rushing. He was rushing at the time, and

601
00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:07.119
<v Speaker 1>he was like whatever, I can just do no wrong,

602
00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:09.319
<v Speaker 1>like I'm just act act ac dak dak. And then

603
00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:10.880
<v Speaker 1>he got to the river and he was like, oh shit,

604
00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:13.400
<v Speaker 1>this guy just bet thirty five million, Like what the

605
00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:14.119
<v Speaker 1>heck's going on?

606
00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:17.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and if he if he calls Sasklott is really

607
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:19.240
<v Speaker 2>short and he's got over one hundred million, and you know,

608
00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:21.880
<v Speaker 2>he's basically one of the top contenders. And now we're

609
00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:24.440
<v Speaker 2>looking at the board. Here twenty nine point five million,

610
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:28.640
<v Speaker 2>twelve big bines from Mueller. You know, Han Feng was

611
00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:30.799
<v Speaker 2>down to five bigs. So you know, this doesn't say much,

612
00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:33.319
<v Speaker 2>but you definitely sleep a lot better when you have

613
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:35.279
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and six million, which is what Han Feng

614
00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:37.920
<v Speaker 2>now has going into day two. But Mueller still is

615
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:40.200
<v Speaker 2>in there, he's still he's still fighting, he's still battling,

616
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:42.599
<v Speaker 2>and he still has a chance. So that's that's obviously

617
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:45.079
<v Speaker 2>good to see because he clearly had a ton of support.

618
00:28:57.799 --> 00:28:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Before we move on to the next interview. I just

619
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<v Speaker 2>wanted to point ot couple of small things Mike Madisow

620
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:05.240
<v Speaker 2>and you know, Twitter of course is always great during

621
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:07.559
<v Speaker 2>the WSP Man Event final table. You know, it has

622
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:09.119
<v Speaker 2>been better in the past, and I feel like Twitter

623
00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:11.359
<v Speaker 2>of course has lost lost a lot of it shine

624
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:14.519
<v Speaker 2>in recent years. I guess I wonder why Mike Madisaw

625
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:16.799
<v Speaker 2>tweeted out watching his main event final table is so

626
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:21.359
<v Speaker 2>brutal to watch. And that was quote tweeted by Sam Greenwood,

627
00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:25.359
<v Speaker 2>who is always negative about people's plays, which he loves

628
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<v Speaker 2>to call out in his I believe is the substack

629
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<v Speaker 2>that he has. And Sam Greenwood said, punt of the day,

630
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<v Speaker 2>punted the day exactly. Greenwood said, and I quote all

631
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<v Speaker 2>I do is criticize the play of the people at

632
00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:38.799
<v Speaker 2>Big FT's and the WSP. And this has been an

633
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:41.920
<v Speaker 2>extremely enjoyable FT thus far. Pace, the play has been fine,

634
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:43.920
<v Speaker 2>quality of poker has been good, and no one is

635
00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:48.279
<v Speaker 2>playing scared. So that's the Greenwood perspective. And then terms Chan,

636
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:51.279
<v Speaker 2>who is just you know, tweeting. He's not responding to

637
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:55.480
<v Speaker 2>this at all. Teran Chan tweets LoJack opens cut off

638
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:58.160
<v Speaker 2>folds a seven suited small one Folds seven's Baby on

639
00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Folds King King nine off. I assume they're all correct, But

640
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:03.960
<v Speaker 2>how do you guys watch this stuff? Obviously you know?

641
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:06.279
<v Speaker 2>Indicating that, I mean that goes back to what I

642
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:08.279
<v Speaker 2>was saying earlier. You have the two camps. Yeah, but

643
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:10.720
<v Speaker 2>like two things can be true. Greenwood is enjoying this

644
00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:13.400
<v Speaker 2>from like almost like you know, an artistic perspective, like

645
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:15.799
<v Speaker 2>the art of poker and all the method is involved

646
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:18.960
<v Speaker 2>in it. And TAM's chan you know who is not

647
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:22.400
<v Speaker 2>watching it for that type of enjoyment. He's watching it

648
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:25.640
<v Speaker 2>to be entertained. Is not getting it getting that out

649
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:28.240
<v Speaker 2>of this final table. And I think that really speaks

650
00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:31.839
<v Speaker 2>to the two different ways the game is being viewed.

651
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I I would would say that it's it's

652
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:39.920
<v Speaker 1>similar to viewing soccer. A casual person who's going to

653
00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:42.319
<v Speaker 1>sit down and watch a ninety minute match is going

654
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:44.119
<v Speaker 1>to sit there and bitch and complain and say, what

655
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:46.119
<v Speaker 1>the hell is this? So no one's scoring, they're not

656
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:48.960
<v Speaker 1>even taking shots, what's going on? Whereas I mean, you

657
00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:51.240
<v Speaker 1>and I love soccer, right and we might say, like

658
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:53.920
<v Speaker 1>this is awesome, look at the flow. It's it's for

659
00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:56.519
<v Speaker 1>using a word you just use It's very artistic out there,

660
00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, whereas somebody on the more casual side of

661
00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:02.160
<v Speaker 1>thing that just wants the highlight reel, they're gonna do

662
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:04.480
<v Speaker 1>just that, watch the highlight reel. And this is why

663
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:08.000
<v Speaker 1>poker from an entertainment perspective not to go too far

664
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:12.599
<v Speaker 1>down this path. But like poker on ESPN itself, just

665
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:15.119
<v Speaker 1>using that as an example, because that's where this is

666
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.960
<v Speaker 1>being aired, is almost best served as an edited episode

667
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:22.680
<v Speaker 1>because the casuals will just tune in. You can put

668
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:25.720
<v Speaker 1>banger after banger after banger of hands and you can

669
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:28.000
<v Speaker 1>just cram it into an hour or two hours. Boom,

670
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:31.200
<v Speaker 1>that's it. That's your highlight reel. Right. But then you know,

671
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:32.720
<v Speaker 1>as you and I know, I mean, we work for

672
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Poker Girl, we're live streaming all the time. Like it's

673
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:38.519
<v Speaker 1>unless you are really into it, it's hard to watch

674
00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:41.599
<v Speaker 1>live poker. It's just it's hard to do. And like

675
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Terrence Chance said, like I'm assuming all this stuff is correct,

676
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:47.119
<v Speaker 1>and it is likely correct, but you as a viewer

677
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:48.720
<v Speaker 1>at home, like you want the guy to just pile

678
00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:50.839
<v Speaker 1>the A seven suited, like you want to just go

679
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:52.759
<v Speaker 1>all and go nuts, like you want Greg to click

680
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.039
<v Speaker 1>call there with the King Jack like, you want all

681
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>this stuff to happen, but it's hard. I always, you know,

682
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:02.039
<v Speaker 1>we always commonly mentioned. One thing that I think it

683
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:03.960
<v Speaker 1>was Nick Petrangelo told you is that these guys are

684
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:06.440
<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out a math exam. Yeah, at the

685
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:08.559
<v Speaker 1>Final Table, that's what they're trying to do. What is

686
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:10.759
<v Speaker 1>the best decision that makes me the most money in

687
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:13.599
<v Speaker 1>the long run. And that is not necessarily exciting.

688
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:14.200
<v Speaker 2>It is not.

689
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:16.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, it's just not. But that's why it's tricky

690
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.160
<v Speaker 1>because then you stick something live like this on TV.

691
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:24.039
<v Speaker 1>So a person who just wants to watch fireworks, they're

692
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:25.359
<v Speaker 1>not going to get all the fireworks.

693
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:27.720
<v Speaker 2>And that's why I was going to close out what

694
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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to say by saying that the worst

695
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:34.799
<v Speaker 2>kind of review you can get for your product in

696
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:39.160
<v Speaker 2>this specific scenario is when Sam Greenwood loves it. That

697
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:41.799
<v Speaker 2>is the worst review you can get because the punt

698
00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:44.279
<v Speaker 2>of the day, which is something that he writes, that

699
00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:46.920
<v Speaker 2>is what you want. You want the first hand of

700
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:49.319
<v Speaker 2>the Final Table to be the punt of the day.

701
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:51.880
<v Speaker 2>And then people who are casually watching at home, sitting

702
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:56.359
<v Speaker 2>on their couch in Kentucky or somewhere in Iowa are

703
00:32:56.440 --> 00:32:58.839
<v Speaker 2>watching this and like, oh my god, ah Jack versus

704
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:02.839
<v Speaker 2>King ten offsuit, this is super entertaining. And to your point,

705
00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:06.680
<v Speaker 2>I think that from a mainstream, mainstream perspective, having poker

706
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:10.240
<v Speaker 2>on ESPN is phenomenal. Like it it's exciting for me

707
00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:13.839
<v Speaker 2>to see, you know, chips and cards on the table,

708
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:16.440
<v Speaker 2>seeing Jeff Platt, hearing the voices of Nick and Ali

709
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:20.440
<v Speaker 2>by the way, who are phenomenal tonight again as always

710
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Jason Kuhn too. Will get to him in a minute.

711
00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:27.799
<v Speaker 2>But I do think that the game of poker itself

712
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:33.880
<v Speaker 2>is best served in a compacted format. Same let's it's

713
00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:36.400
<v Speaker 2>who you're serving it too. But like I'm saying, for

714
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:37.680
<v Speaker 2>that audience.

715
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:41.759
<v Speaker 1>Like on ESPN, I think edited stuff is probably the best, right.

716
00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:44.240
<v Speaker 1>And then if the diehards like you and I and

717
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:46.839
<v Speaker 1>Sam Green I said, I want to seek out more

718
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:50.720
<v Speaker 1>than that, then you go to a full livestream product, right,

719
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:54.480
<v Speaker 1>And that's where it gets tricky because then it you know,

720
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:57.039
<v Speaker 1>then obviously I mean again not to get too far

721
00:33:57.079 --> 00:33:58.880
<v Speaker 1>down this path, which we already are way too far

722
00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:01.680
<v Speaker 1>down this path. But then it's like it's like resources

723
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:03.680
<v Speaker 1>and editing time and where do you put it where

724
00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:05.279
<v Speaker 1>and at what time do you put it out there?

725
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:07.079
<v Speaker 1>And if you do something live but then wait for

726
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:10.119
<v Speaker 1>edited episodes, are you spoiling the result? And like it's

727
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:12.800
<v Speaker 1>that whole thing, right, So I don't really know what

728
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:16.239
<v Speaker 1>the best answer is necessarily, right, I like, I guess

729
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:18.599
<v Speaker 1>in a perfect world, you would have two broadcasts running

730
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:21.599
<v Speaker 1>at the same time. One is live and one is

731
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:25.360
<v Speaker 1>somehow a live but edited episode. Like I don't even

732
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:28.440
<v Speaker 1>know if that's possible, but maybe that's just where my

733
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:30.079
<v Speaker 1>mind goes. But it is tricky.

734
00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:32.719
<v Speaker 2>It is. It is definitely fun to go on Twitter

735
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:34.679
<v Speaker 2>and to search for WSP and see what people are

736
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:38.320
<v Speaker 2>saying who are not living the poker life every single day.

737
00:34:38.360 --> 00:34:42.000
<v Speaker 2>And I think that because Twitter has not been as

738
00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:44.920
<v Speaker 2>popular of a platform as it was in the past,

739
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:48.519
<v Speaker 2>we're not getting a lot of those opinions. I have

740
00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:50.960
<v Speaker 2>a feeling, and maybe I'm wrong, but I have a

741
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:54.960
<v Speaker 2>feeling that probably five, six, seven years ago, Twitter was

742
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.840
<v Speaker 2>a place where the everyman will sort of just say

743
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:00.519
<v Speaker 2>random things like, oh, I'm having a same which, oh

744
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:03.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm watching poker on TV. And I feel like that

745
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:05.159
<v Speaker 2>sort of part of Twitter has sort of died out

746
00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:07.800
<v Speaker 2>as we are no longer in this sort of oversharing

747
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:11.719
<v Speaker 2>state of the world, and it's more, I guess, boiled

748
00:35:11.719 --> 00:35:17.119
<v Speaker 2>down to people following. People are following, the influencers are

749
00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:18.960
<v Speaker 2>following the people that they want to follow because they

750
00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:23.039
<v Speaker 2>live interesting lives. They're no longer broadcasting themselves as much,

751
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:25.960
<v Speaker 2>so we're not able to see that in the same way.

752
00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:30.320
<v Speaker 2>But still I saw a few tweets from casual fans,

753
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:33.400
<v Speaker 2>which always warms my heart because you know, this will

754
00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:36.480
<v Speaker 2>reach some people who will you know, perhaps for sure,

755
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:38.440
<v Speaker 2>perhaps bring an old home game back to life, or

756
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:41.199
<v Speaker 2>maybe you know, find a way to play online poker,

757
00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:43.079
<v Speaker 2>and that's obviously all ultimately the goal with this.

758
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it's you know, I agree with you

759
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:50.119
<v Speaker 1>in terms of like just just seeing people post about

760
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:52.480
<v Speaker 1>it on social media, whether it is positive or negative,

761
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:54.559
<v Speaker 1>I still think is a good thing because it's being

762
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:58.000
<v Speaker 1>talked about. Whereas those people if this wasn't on ESPN

763
00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:01.440
<v Speaker 1>or you know, if it wasn't anywhere else are available

764
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:03.760
<v Speaker 1>out there, then people aren't seeing it and they're not

765
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:06.840
<v Speaker 1>talking about it, So you know, at least it is

766
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:09.000
<v Speaker 1>being talked about it, and I think that's good overall.

767
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:11.280
<v Speaker 1>I think it was the very positive show. I was

768
00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:13.079
<v Speaker 1>a big fan of it, and I would say that,

769
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:14.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think you. I think a lot of

770
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:18.159
<v Speaker 1>the listeners out there for this podcast were definitely into it, right,

771
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:21.119
<v Speaker 1>I fully understand like where someone like a Terrence Chan

772
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:26.000
<v Speaker 1>is coming from, or Mike Madisow is coming from, and

773
00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:29.800
<v Speaker 1>just Mike Madison, Like the problem that I have with

774
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:34.599
<v Speaker 1>opinions like that are he's just like yelling to yell,

775
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:38.599
<v Speaker 1>like he's not offering any sort of suggestions or ideas

776
00:36:38.639 --> 00:36:41.239
<v Speaker 1>to improve it. He's just like this is horrible. Like

777
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:43.960
<v Speaker 1>can you just like be like, hey, this should be

778
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:46.239
<v Speaker 1>better because X y Z, like that would be a

779
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:48.800
<v Speaker 1>better way to do it. You know, I don't know. Anyway,

780
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:50.119
<v Speaker 1>We're all over the place.

781
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:53.199
<v Speaker 2>I think we do. We still have Gagliano.

782
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:55.679
<v Speaker 1>Cute, we do still have Gagliano ready to go. He's

783
00:36:55.719 --> 00:37:00.599
<v Speaker 1>one of the final seven players remaining. Gagliano came in

784
00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:03.920
<v Speaker 1>with forty four million or so something like that, finished

785
00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:07.440
<v Speaker 1>with forty two million. Like he just coming in. He

786
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:09.719
<v Speaker 1>punched the clock for the nine to five. He went

787
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:12.000
<v Speaker 1>to work. He was he was kind of up a

788
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:14.119
<v Speaker 1>little bit early and you were like, oh, here comes

789
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:16.679
<v Speaker 1>Gags was second for second and and then he kind

790
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:18.920
<v Speaker 1>of which second in chips. That was a spot where

791
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.679
<v Speaker 1>so Lucas Jumalan never lost the top spot, even though

792
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:24.119
<v Speaker 1>he did slide a little bit at some point from

793
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:27.360
<v Speaker 1>his peak, he never lost the top spot. Second place, though,

794
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:31.880
<v Speaker 1>was a revolving door you had. I think did Greg

795
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Muller get up to the second place at one point?

796
00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:36.639
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember. I think he was started there. Maybe

797
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:41.239
<v Speaker 1>Greg Mueller, Lori Sascelotti for sure. Michael Gagliano, Yes, it

798
00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:43.639
<v Speaker 1>ends up with Han Feng up there as well. So

799
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:46.239
<v Speaker 1>like all these players had a chance at second place,

800
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:48.719
<v Speaker 1>and it was like, oh and all all that was

801
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:51.880
<v Speaker 1>happening while the Jumalan slide was happening, So it was like, oh,

802
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:54.519
<v Speaker 1>is somebody going to really get the heat and catch

803
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:58.639
<v Speaker 1>up to Jumalan. One of those players was Gagliano. Played

804
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:06.079
<v Speaker 1>I think as expected in that it was just very

805
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:12.360
<v Speaker 1>very technically sound, you know, not probably the most above

806
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:16.000
<v Speaker 1>the rim high level poker stuff, but in terms of

807
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:19.639
<v Speaker 1>like just playing your best game from start to finish

808
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:22.719
<v Speaker 1>across all the hands that were played. He was just

809
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:25.000
<v Speaker 1>consistent across the board, and that's what you get from

810
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:27.079
<v Speaker 1>Michael Gagilian. He's been in the game forever, He's played

811
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:29.920
<v Speaker 1>a bazillion hands, he's a coach, he plays online, he

812
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:32.599
<v Speaker 1>plays live, all that sort of stuff. So yeah, I

813
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:34.119
<v Speaker 1>mean there was the one big hand where he three

814
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:36.719
<v Speaker 1>bet with the ace king against Jumalan's open. When Jumalan

815
00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:40.519
<v Speaker 1>had the ace Queen, Jumalan calls it comes Queen Queen

816
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:44.039
<v Speaker 1>X So Jumalan flops, trips, and Gagliano just loses the

817
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:48.320
<v Speaker 1>sea bet ultimately folds to the check raise from Jumalan,

818
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:50.119
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, he lost that pop. But it's like he

819
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:53.360
<v Speaker 1>doesn't get married to hands, he doesn't get caught in

820
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:57.079
<v Speaker 1>big situations. So yeah, maybe he didn't finish on the

821
00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:00.719
<v Speaker 1>high that he once was, but a very good overall

822
00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:03.880
<v Speaker 1>for Gagliano. And you know, I don't think he's somebody

823
00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:07.039
<v Speaker 1>who I think he's both unassuming but also wouldn't be

824
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:09.239
<v Speaker 1>a surprise if he ultimately goes on to win. And

825
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:15.679
<v Speaker 1>here is Remco talking to Gagliano after play Day one ended.

826
00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:18.840
<v Speaker 2>What a roller coaster it has been watching on the sidelines.

827
00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:19.880
<v Speaker 2>How would you describe today?

828
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:22.800
<v Speaker 8>First off, that was day nine. I am very happy

829
00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:25.239
<v Speaker 8>to have a Day ten coming up because you don't

830
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:25.840
<v Speaker 8>get many.

831
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:27.280
<v Speaker 4>Double digit days in poker.

832
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:31.440
<v Speaker 8>You know, I'm a little tired. It was a longer

833
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:34.119
<v Speaker 8>day than kind of anticipated. But it wasn't like this

834
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:35.719
<v Speaker 8>was in the books. This could have happened, you know,

835
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:38.920
<v Speaker 8>shipstacks were lined up in a way where if the

836
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.280
<v Speaker 8>all in stack won a bunch of all in you

837
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:43.880
<v Speaker 8>could have played for a while. So that happened, and

838
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:45.519
<v Speaker 8>we played for a while. I kind of had a

839
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:47.920
<v Speaker 8>pretty good start, kind of ran it up a little bit,

840
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:49.280
<v Speaker 8>and then kind of just had a few knock on

841
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:52.760
<v Speaker 8>our way. I think I just kind of got made

842
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:54.519
<v Speaker 8>the second best hand a few times and got away

843
00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:57.679
<v Speaker 8>from it what I did, which was fortunate, And I'll

844
00:39:57.719 --> 00:39:59.800
<v Speaker 8>just see what happened tomorrow, you know, kind of same thing.

845
00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:01.760
<v Speaker 8>I'm little on the short side, but just in that

846
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:04.079
<v Speaker 8>zone where I'm gonna just kind of have my game and.

847
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:04.719
<v Speaker 7>See what happens.

848
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:08.039
<v Speaker 2>How different if it was different? Does this feel to

849
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:10.800
<v Speaker 2>your your other final tables that you played in your career?

850
00:40:11.719 --> 00:40:13.559
<v Speaker 8>I mean every final table is different feel to it,

851
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:15.440
<v Speaker 8>you know, just the group of guys and uh.

852
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Just the atmosphere.

853
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:19.079
<v Speaker 8>Obviously, the atmosphere is ridiculous.

854
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:20.679
<v Speaker 4>Here a lot of.

855
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:22.960
<v Speaker 8>Loud, energetic rails, which has been a lot of fun.

856
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:25.360
<v Speaker 7>I wear Earbucks for most of the day because I

857
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:25.840
<v Speaker 7>don't like a.

858
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:28.280
<v Speaker 8>Lot of loud noises and just a little easier.

859
00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:28.840
<v Speaker 4>To lock in.

860
00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:31.559
<v Speaker 8>Kind of a shame that it's about, because I really

861
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:33.440
<v Speaker 8>like talking with this corooper guys. We had a lot

862
00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:35.360
<v Speaker 8>of fun you know, leading up to the funnel table

863
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:35.840
<v Speaker 8>and stuff.

864
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.000
<v Speaker 7>So we'll see what that holds for the you know,

865
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:40.039
<v Speaker 7>the next day.

866
00:40:40.119 --> 00:40:42.519
<v Speaker 4>And uh, a lot of fun though. The roads were great,

867
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:44.280
<v Speaker 4>you know, a lot of back and forth. The O

868
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:45.599
<v Speaker 4>Canada was amazing, you know.

869
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:48.199
<v Speaker 7>So, uh, you have to say, final.

870
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:51.039
<v Speaker 2>Question, how has the support been for you? Obviously there

871
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:52.880
<v Speaker 2>is a few moments every now and then to talk

872
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:55.639
<v Speaker 2>to the rail even just from a mental perspective, to

873
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:58.360
<v Speaker 2>like sort of break the ice literally almost to have

874
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:00.000
<v Speaker 2>sort of someone to get some feedback from.

875
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:03.480
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it's been amazing. I have family here, friends here,

876
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:04.920
<v Speaker 8>a bunch of hooker players I don't get to see

877
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:08.400
<v Speaker 8>too much, which is nice. The support online has been unbelievable.

878
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:10.840
<v Speaker 8>The amount of messages I got in the last few days,

879
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:12.719
<v Speaker 8>just pushing me a walk and tell me how you know,

880
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:13.480
<v Speaker 8>everyone's proud of me.

881
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Regardless.

882
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:16.679
<v Speaker 7>A result has been just just unbelievable.

883
00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:19.559
<v Speaker 8>I haven't had my phone all day, so I'm I'm

884
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:23.119
<v Speaker 8>sure I have some messages and Twitter, you know, acts

885
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:26.239
<v Speaker 8>and stuff, so I'll check it out later. But it's unbelievable.

886
00:41:26.239 --> 00:41:27.639
<v Speaker 8>It's been a lot of fun. They got some great

887
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:29.639
<v Speaker 8>hats and shirts and I can't wait to, you know,

888
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:30.199
<v Speaker 8>bring those home.

889
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:31.000
<v Speaker 4>It'll be a lot of fun.

890
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:35.000
<v Speaker 1>That was Michael gaglian I felt like he was almost

891
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:36.880
<v Speaker 1>in a rush to get out. I mean in a

892
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:38.360
<v Speaker 1>way like he was done.

893
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:40.760
<v Speaker 2>He was being open about the fact that he was tired.

894
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:41.519
<v Speaker 5>Uh.

895
00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:44.360
<v Speaker 2>He said he thought it was went longer than he expected.

896
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:49.400
<v Speaker 2>And and this this is something I've said before. The

897
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:54.920
<v Speaker 2>players who are the most well studied also get the

898
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:59.039
<v Speaker 2>most fatigued because there's constant thoughts running through their mind

899
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:03.079
<v Speaker 2>on every single decision. And for players who are more recreational,

900
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:06.599
<v Speaker 2>they just play the hand that's dealt and then deal

901
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:10.280
<v Speaker 2>with the circumstances and they aren't necessarily being I guess

902
00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:16.519
<v Speaker 2>zapped from an energy perspective because of how much is

903
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:18.800
<v Speaker 2>at stake or how big this decisions are. And I

904
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:22.480
<v Speaker 2>think Gagliano, of all the players, is probably feeling that

905
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:23.480
<v Speaker 2>the most.

906
00:42:23.719 --> 00:42:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would agree, you know, he's I think he's

907
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:29.199
<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent locked in at all times. And then

908
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:32.360
<v Speaker 1>to your point that that ends up being pretty mentally taxing,

909
00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:35.519
<v Speaker 1>and also to his point about it going longer than expected,

910
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:38.400
<v Speaker 1>I do think everyone expected this thing to be done

911
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:42.280
<v Speaker 1>in for day one, it'd be done in two and

912
00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:44.719
<v Speaker 1>a half to three and a half hours in that window,

913
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:47.599
<v Speaker 1>it ended up going what five or six hours, so

914
00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:50.960
<v Speaker 1>it went went very long. And then it's not only

915
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:53.679
<v Speaker 1>that the full length of the time is long, but

916
00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:58.599
<v Speaker 1>everything is just drawn out. Like you play like three hands,

917
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:01.800
<v Speaker 1>there's a commercial break, you come back, you play three

918
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:05.079
<v Speaker 1>more hands, and every hand takes you know, five ten minutes.

919
00:43:05.119 --> 00:43:05.840
<v Speaker 2>It's just long.

920
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:08.760
<v Speaker 1>It's drawn out. Then you come back from the break,

921
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:11.480
<v Speaker 1>but you're still kind of standing around because they're waiting

922
00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:13.519
<v Speaker 1>for the commercial wrap up. Then it's boom, you're back

923
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:15.360
<v Speaker 1>in your seat. So like there's just a lot of

924
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:19.039
<v Speaker 1>stuff going on. So it's just everything is just drawn

925
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:20.760
<v Speaker 1>out and you're almost sitting there like, oh man, is

926
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:22.880
<v Speaker 1>this day gonna end? You know, is this day gonna end?

927
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:27.679
<v Speaker 1>Plus I think that part of maybe feeling drained is

928
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:33.119
<v Speaker 1>if the play itself had a bit more really really

929
00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:36.679
<v Speaker 1>big climactic moments, really really big all ins. We had

930
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:38.119
<v Speaker 1>a few of them, but not a ton of them.

931
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Let's say you a dozen instead of like the four

932
00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:43.440
<v Speaker 1>or five that we had. Then everyone's adrenaline's pumping a

933
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:45.199
<v Speaker 1>little bit more. It's easier to get through the day

934
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:47.719
<v Speaker 1>versus if you're just sitting there and like everyone's kind

935
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:50.599
<v Speaker 1>of folding a lot, then you're kind of just like

936
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:53.280
<v Speaker 1>this is boring, and when you're bored, you can kind

937
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:56.239
<v Speaker 1>of doze off, But then you're fighting with your your

938
00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:58.880
<v Speaker 1>brain to like stay focused, so that I feel like

939
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:02.199
<v Speaker 1>that plays into it too. So yeah, I mean it's

940
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:04.559
<v Speaker 1>a big it's a big mind fuck out there, honestly,

941
00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:07.960
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes not just in this poker tournament, but this

942
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:10.679
<v Speaker 1>is the one that where things are generally emphasized the most.

943
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:14.599
<v Speaker 1>But the player who wins might be the one who

944
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:17.199
<v Speaker 1>is maybe able to just maintain focus for the longest time.

945
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and also the and not blow up, the player

946
00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:24.679
<v Speaker 2>who can let all the side show, all the noise,

947
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:29.360
<v Speaker 2>all the all the past decisions sort of slide slide

948
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:32.800
<v Speaker 2>or glide off of their shoulders the most easily, Like

949
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:35.719
<v Speaker 2>you cannot allow yourself, you know, in like a Mueller's case,

950
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:39.400
<v Speaker 2>to get stuck in thinking back of the hand where

951
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:43.199
<v Speaker 2>things didn't go your way. And obviously, like Greg's a professional,

952
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:44.920
<v Speaker 2>he's been doing this for a very long time, but

953
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:48.079
<v Speaker 2>it's very possible that he goes to sleep tonight still

954
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:50.519
<v Speaker 2>thinking about that hand because of what could have been.

955
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:52.960
<v Speaker 2>So the player who's able to, you know, shut off

956
00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:56.079
<v Speaker 2>the brain in the moments that it can can be

957
00:44:56.119 --> 00:44:58.760
<v Speaker 2>shut off, those are the players who will have the

958
00:44:58.760 --> 00:44:59.920
<v Speaker 2>most success long term.

959
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, that's that's a great point by you.

960
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:04.599
<v Speaker 1>And it's such a big thing is if you're able

961
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:08.679
<v Speaker 1>to just once a hand is played and done, whether

962
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:11.639
<v Speaker 1>you win it or you lose it, it's done. It's

963
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:13.920
<v Speaker 1>in the past. And I know Pad's was on the rail,

964
00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:16.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, in the Lucas Jumlan corner, Patrick Leonard, and

965
00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:19.480
<v Speaker 1>he's always talked about this. The only thing that matters

966
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:22.760
<v Speaker 1>is the next hand, how many big blinds you have,

967
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:25.000
<v Speaker 1>your position at the table, and trying to play that

968
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:27.679
<v Speaker 1>hand the best, like that's all you can focus on.

969
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:31.719
<v Speaker 1>And and I just don't know if Greg Mueller is

970
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:33.639
<v Speaker 1>that type of player or if he's gonna let this

971
00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:37.039
<v Speaker 1>one stew on him right. I'm sure his camp namely

972
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Sean Buchanan. It is just like, be like, forget about it.

973
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:41.360
<v Speaker 1>Forget about it, man, forget about it. And he might

974
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:43.119
<v Speaker 1>be saying like, man, if I just if I just

975
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:45.280
<v Speaker 1>called there, if I just three bat pre if I

976
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:47.400
<v Speaker 1>just check raise the flop, you know, if I if

977
00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:50.000
<v Speaker 1>I do anything different in that hand, I probably win

978
00:45:50.079 --> 00:45:53.840
<v Speaker 1>that hand, right yeap. And it's it's hard to forget

979
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:55.800
<v Speaker 1>about that stuff in the moment, but you have to

980
00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:58.679
<v Speaker 1>forget about it. And I will say that, while I

981
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:02.400
<v Speaker 1>don't know how Greg will, I will say that he's

982
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:04.639
<v Speaker 1>been in the game a long time and going back

983
00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:05.840
<v Speaker 1>to a lot of stuff that he said on the

984
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:07.920
<v Speaker 1>podcast with You to Face the Ace podcast, it's like

985
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:10.639
<v Speaker 1>he understands that, like there's gonna be highs, there's gonna

986
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:12.760
<v Speaker 1>be lows, and you do have to just forget about

987
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:15.239
<v Speaker 1>it and move on. So and we're gonna see, you know,

988
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:19.519
<v Speaker 1>come come tomorrow, come Tuesday, when everyone is listening to this,

989
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:22.199
<v Speaker 1>how how he reacts from that all, and we'll see

990
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:24.440
<v Speaker 1>if he can spin it up. He's got what's gonna

991
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:27.039
<v Speaker 1>be just under ten big blinds, because the blinds are

992
00:46:27.079 --> 00:46:29.079
<v Speaker 1>going to go up to one point five to three million,

993
00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:32.559
<v Speaker 1>so he'll have just Shy have ten big blinds to

994
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:36.119
<v Speaker 1>start the day. Jamie Shavel will have eleven big Linds

995
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:39.559
<v Speaker 1>right ahead of him. So it's there are two fewer

996
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:42.639
<v Speaker 1>players than there were when they're started on the final table,

997
00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:44.960
<v Speaker 1>but it's kind of a very similar situation. You have

998
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:47.079
<v Speaker 1>a very big chip leader, you have a guy who's

999
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:49.079
<v Speaker 1>comfortably in second, and then you have two guys who

1000
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:51.639
<v Speaker 1>are very short and kind of probably gonna try and

1001
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:54.320
<v Speaker 1>wait each other out, and then you have these middling stacks.

1002
00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:57.119
<v Speaker 1>So even though two fewer players, it does set up

1003
00:46:57.320 --> 00:46:59.960
<v Speaker 1>very similar to how it's set up coming into Monday,

1004
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:01.239
<v Speaker 1>which is interesting.

1005
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:16.519
<v Speaker 2>So we'll see how it goes. Donnie, I got to

1006
00:47:16.519 --> 00:47:18.840
<v Speaker 2>ask you for prediction. Is they two also going to

1007
00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:19.480
<v Speaker 2>be a slow day?

1008
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:25.079
<v Speaker 1>I think it starts slow, but I think in this

1009
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:28.360
<v Speaker 1>case where what we didn't see today is we saw

1010
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:31.280
<v Speaker 1>the bust out from Eva Gorus Evil Goru, and that

1011
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:34.360
<v Speaker 1>didn't really open the floodgates, right, It just kept pretty

1012
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:36.880
<v Speaker 1>much par for the course, pretty much a grind throughout.

1013
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:40.239
<v Speaker 1>I think if let's say Muler for example, finds a

1014
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:42.480
<v Speaker 1>hand earlier, he goes that he gets picked off, he's out.

1015
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:45.800
<v Speaker 1>I think we open the floodgates, right. I think part

1016
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:49.840
<v Speaker 1>of that is because people will have locked up what

1017
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:52.679
<v Speaker 1>is it, one point seventy five million at that point,

1018
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:57.400
<v Speaker 1>So it's it's a bit more definitely coming into today.

1019
00:47:57.559 --> 00:47:59.599
<v Speaker 1>Nobody wants to be the first player to go home.

1020
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:01.679
<v Speaker 1>Who does doesn't get any extra money, right, that's a

1021
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:04.760
<v Speaker 1>big thing. Right, But now it's like, okay, I made

1022
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:07.400
<v Speaker 1>an extra seven hundred and fifty k, Like, let's go.

1023
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:09.320
<v Speaker 1>We started gotta start getting after it. We got to

1024
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:12.559
<v Speaker 1>start trying to put ourselves in position to win. Another

1025
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:15.480
<v Speaker 1>factor in this is and he said it in the interview,

1026
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:18.199
<v Speaker 1>Han Feng said he was never coming in just the

1027
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:23.559
<v Speaker 1>ladder up, but he was handcuffed by his chip stack.

1028
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:25.519
<v Speaker 1>Right now, he's gonna knock it. He's in second place,

1029
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:28.039
<v Speaker 1>like he might just be like, you know what, fit,

1030
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:30.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna try and go for the damn thing. I'm

1031
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna try and finish day two of the final table

1032
00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:35.480
<v Speaker 1>to really put myself in position to win ten million

1033
00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:38.159
<v Speaker 1>dollars on the third and final day, which means at

1034
00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:42.880
<v Speaker 1>times that could mean challenging Lucas Jumlan and another player,

1035
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Laurie Sasclatti. That guy didn't give a shit in a

1036
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:46.480
<v Speaker 1>lot of spots.

1037
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:48.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it was great to see.

1038
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:51.000
<v Speaker 1>He was like, listen, I'm the Finn here and I'm

1039
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:52.239
<v Speaker 1>gonna play like well he even.

1040
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:54.639
<v Speaker 2>Said like he prefers po Yeah, of course at first

1041
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:57.760
<v Speaker 2>he's from Finland. That's why this is probably boring to him.

1042
00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:00.679
<v Speaker 1>So those three being the top three stacks, I feel

1043
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:03.159
<v Speaker 1>like it could be a lot of fun on this

1044
00:49:03.239 --> 00:49:04.079
<v Speaker 1>second day of play.

1045
00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:06.119
<v Speaker 2>We'll see how it goes. Looking forward to it, what

1046
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:06.840
<v Speaker 2>do you what do you you.

1047
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Got a prediction here or how things will play out?

1048
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:13.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean looking at the board right now. The Jumalan

1049
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:16.639
<v Speaker 2>Fang Sasclott three handed battle, if that's what we end

1050
00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:20.239
<v Speaker 2>up with, would be phenomenal, Like those three guys all

1051
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:22.920
<v Speaker 2>have what it takes to make that a very entertaining battle.

1052
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:27.079
<v Speaker 2>And then at the same time, I like the mechanical

1053
00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:31.559
<v Speaker 2>tactical play of Gagliano. I love Rami Hamoud with his

1054
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:33.039
<v Speaker 2>Canadian rail and.

1055
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:35.960
<v Speaker 1>The and the he had the fossil Man sunglasses Greg

1056
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Ramer because he knocked out Greg Grahmer. Greg Grahmer gave

1057
00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:40.719
<v Speaker 1>him the fossil gave him the glasses, the snake eyes glasses.

1058
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:41.400
<v Speaker 1>He had both of.

1059
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:44.480
<v Speaker 2>Them on the table. Was so crazy, Yeah, brilliant. And

1060
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:46.199
<v Speaker 2>then they also made reference to it in the broadcast,

1061
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:50.679
<v Speaker 2>which is awesome. And then a Shavel you know, had

1062
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:53.199
<v Speaker 2>the big ups and downs, he was all in multiple times,

1063
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:55.559
<v Speaker 2>won a big one, lost the big one, and then

1064
00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:59.119
<v Speaker 2>there's Mueller at the bottom of the counts. Really, you know,

1065
00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:01.079
<v Speaker 2>this is one of those things that has happened so

1066
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:03.159
<v Speaker 2>many times where you come into a final table and

1067
00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:05.920
<v Speaker 2>you're you're thinking to yourself, like, you know, I don't

1068
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:07.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't know these people. I have no connection with

1069
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:10.559
<v Speaker 2>these people. And then as you watch the episodes you know,

1070
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:13.679
<v Speaker 2>which we're now airing on ESPN, as you learn some

1071
00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:16.280
<v Speaker 2>more about them, and then as you watch them play

1072
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:18.800
<v Speaker 2>for a whole day today and then obviously again tomorrow,

1073
00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:23.039
<v Speaker 2>you're you're you're slowly but surely finding reasons why you

1074
00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:25.719
<v Speaker 2>can buy into the story of each and every one

1075
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:28.559
<v Speaker 2>of these players. There's something that that all of them

1076
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:30.079
<v Speaker 2>have going for them, and you know, some of the

1077
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:32.760
<v Speaker 2>stories might be a little harder to do uncover, or

1078
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:35.280
<v Speaker 2>perhaps you know the story doesn't run as deep, but

1079
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:36.960
<v Speaker 2>I can I can sort of find a way for

1080
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:38.800
<v Speaker 2>myself to root for all of these players, which is

1081
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:41.800
<v Speaker 2>really cool to see. Lots of positive energy, no negativity,

1082
00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:44.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, no conflict. It's just been really really good

1083
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:47.119
<v Speaker 2>to see. And then Donnie, I think all that's left

1084
00:50:47.119 --> 00:50:51.480
<v Speaker 2>for us is to do a hard pivot into the

1085
00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:53.679
<v Speaker 2>Manda myth, the legend, Jason Kuhn.

1086
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:57.639
<v Speaker 1>The legend he is. So as part of the festivities

1087
00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:00.440
<v Speaker 1>for this first day of the WSP Main Event Final Table,

1088
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:04.760
<v Speaker 1>they did announce the Hall of Fame inductees or inductee

1089
00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:07.400
<v Speaker 1>I should say, because it was just a single player

1090
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:10.599
<v Speaker 1>for the twenty twenty six class, and that was, of

1091
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:17.400
<v Speaker 1>course Jason Kuhn, the Legend, the icon. I mean, I know,

1092
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:19.800
<v Speaker 1>we throw around the world Goat all the time. He

1093
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:22.480
<v Speaker 1>very much might be the actual goat, like he is

1094
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:26.079
<v Speaker 1>that good of a player. He's won two bracelets on

1095
00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:29.519
<v Speaker 1>his resume, countless Triton titles, bunch of PGT tos. He

1096
00:51:29.559 --> 00:51:32.159
<v Speaker 1>won the PGT Championship a bunch of years ago when

1097
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:34.519
<v Speaker 1>it was winner take all for that five hundred K prize.

1098
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Of course, his casket cash game resume speaks for itself.

1099
00:51:38.800 --> 00:51:43.559
<v Speaker 1>He plays insanely high stakes throughout his career up to

1100
00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:45.880
<v Speaker 1>numbers that are like, you know, here's a small house,

1101
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:47.920
<v Speaker 1>here's a big house in the small blind, the big blind.

1102
00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:50.920
<v Speaker 1>That's where bettan in this one. He's done it online,

1103
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:53.559
<v Speaker 1>he's done it live, you know, all that sort of stuff.

1104
00:51:53.559 --> 00:51:56.800
<v Speaker 1>I really I can't think of, Like, if you were

1105
00:51:56.840 --> 00:51:59.000
<v Speaker 1>to make a yeah butt for Jason Kuhn, I don't

1106
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:01.039
<v Speaker 1>really know what it would be. Maybe it's like, well, yeah,

1107
00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:03.079
<v Speaker 1>but he doesn't play mixed games, but it's like, Okay,

1108
00:52:03.400 --> 00:52:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't really care because everything that he does in

1109
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:09.800
<v Speaker 1>the big bet space so far outweighs anything anyone else

1110
00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:11.400
<v Speaker 1>has done in a lot of spaces that it just

1111
00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:13.760
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter. He really is a true one of one

1112
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:16.559
<v Speaker 1>in the industry. Also honestly one of the fucking nicest

1113
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:20.480
<v Speaker 1>guys in the universe. Yes, just for as big as

1114
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:23.960
<v Speaker 1>he is as a poker player, as successful as he is,

1115
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:26.920
<v Speaker 1>likely as rich as he is all this sort of stuff,

1116
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.679
<v Speaker 1>he is just a down to earth dude who will

1117
00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:32.039
<v Speaker 1>just come in and just shoot the shit with you,

1118
00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:34.960
<v Speaker 1>ask you how you're doing, talk about your kids with you,

1119
00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:37.760
<v Speaker 1>all that sort of stuff. Just a great person and

1120
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:39.840
<v Speaker 1>it's an honor to see him go into the Hall

1121
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:43.039
<v Speaker 1>of Fame. He was the only player inducted, which I'm

1122
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:45.960
<v Speaker 1>sure there will be plenty to talk about with that.

1123
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:47.960
<v Speaker 1>I saw some stuff on social media.

1124
00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:49.639
<v Speaker 2>Well, they fix the voting to get more people in.

1125
00:52:50.039 --> 00:52:52.239
<v Speaker 1>They fix the voting where it could allow for more

1126
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:53.960
<v Speaker 1>people to go in, and then you have just one

1127
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:56.199
<v Speaker 1>player go in. So now it's gonna be a whole thing.

1128
00:52:56.239 --> 00:52:58.559
<v Speaker 1>And this is the year when it's like, Okay, the

1129
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:00.800
<v Speaker 1>backlog is here, is deep to get in? Is sever

1130
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:03.079
<v Speaker 1>going to get in? Is east I Sheinberg going to

1131
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:04.800
<v Speaker 1>get in? Like what's going to happen?

1132
00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:07.119
<v Speaker 2>But by the way, I want to just point this out,

1133
00:53:07.360 --> 00:53:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Diane and I have been been super I guess I

1134
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:12.519
<v Speaker 2>don't want to say against the Hall of Fame. We've

1135
00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:15.000
<v Speaker 2>been super unhappy with the way the Hall of Fame

1136
00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:18.159
<v Speaker 2>has been operating in the past. And I was really

1137
00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:21.280
<v Speaker 2>excited for this change. And of course you cannot you

1138
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:26.360
<v Speaker 2>could not steer the voting public, which are the Hall

1139
00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:28.800
<v Speaker 2>of Fame members, into a way for them to like

1140
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:32.079
<v Speaker 2>hash out how can we get multiple people inducted? That's

1141
00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:34.519
<v Speaker 2>just not how this works. But I was excited to

1142
00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:35.719
<v Speaker 2>have multiple people inducted.

1143
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:38.159
<v Speaker 1>Now I thought we were going to get two. I

1144
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:40.039
<v Speaker 1>thought it was just gonna be there would have been two.

1145
00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:42.679
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was going to be Coon and Deep.

1146
00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I thought it was probably gonna be Coon and sever. Yeah,

1147
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:49.599
<v Speaker 1>that was my third and then maybe Deep next year.

1148
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:51.519
<v Speaker 1>But you know either way.

1149
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:53.719
<v Speaker 2>But the one thing I wanted to emphasize here is

1150
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:58.440
<v Speaker 2>that this sort of quote unquote problem of having this

1151
00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:02.519
<v Speaker 2>backlog is only going to get worse every single year.

1152
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Mike Madisow is never getting into the Hall of Fame.

1153
00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:07.960
<v Speaker 2>If you don't get in on your first ballot, it

1154
00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:09.960
<v Speaker 2>is almost a guarantee that you're not going to get

1155
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:12.519
<v Speaker 2>in because more and more guys are going to turn

1156
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:16.159
<v Speaker 2>forty that have these insane resumes. Chidwick is not forty yet.

1157
00:54:16.239 --> 00:54:19.239
<v Speaker 2>Brin Kenny is not forty yet. Jason Kuhn inducted into

1158
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:21.679
<v Speaker 2>the Poker Hall of Fame as the third player on

1159
00:54:21.719 --> 00:54:24.639
<v Speaker 2>the all time money list right now. So anyone who

1160
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:27.119
<v Speaker 2>is younger than Kuhn and who is in the top

1161
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:31.000
<v Speaker 2>fifty whenever they become eligible, unless you know they're like

1162
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:33.440
<v Speaker 2>a one off, are going to probably have a good

1163
00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:35.039
<v Speaker 2>case to get into the Poker Hall of Fame because

1164
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:36.920
<v Speaker 2>guess what if you can be this high up in

1165
00:54:36.920 --> 00:54:39.320
<v Speaker 2>the ALTI Money List rankings right now, in the current

1166
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:41.559
<v Speaker 2>state of the game, then the case for you to

1167
00:54:41.559 --> 00:54:44.000
<v Speaker 2>be the Hall of Fame is going to be incredible.

1168
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:45.639
<v Speaker 2>So let me just go through some of these names.

1169
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:48.480
<v Speaker 2>And this is sort of hard to hear, perhaps if

1170
00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:50.760
<v Speaker 2>you are nominated right now, or if you have been

1171
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:53.000
<v Speaker 2>in the past and you haven't gotten in yet, and

1172
00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:56.039
<v Speaker 2>this is these are names that you know may or

1173
00:54:56.119 --> 00:54:58.000
<v Speaker 2>may not get in the future. But I think you

1174
00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:00.000
<v Speaker 2>can make the case for all of these guys. Adrian Matat,

1175
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Isaac Haxton, Dan Smith, Alex Foxen, David Peters, Faeder Holtz,

1176
00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:10.039
<v Speaker 2>Steve O'Dwyer, Christoph Vogel saying, I mean this is where

1177
00:55:10.039 --> 00:55:11.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm still in the top twenty of the AULL Time

1178
00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Money List, Nick Petreangelo, Sean Winter Like, all these guys

1179
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:18.079
<v Speaker 2>have stood in the test of time. All these guys

1180
00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:21.360
<v Speaker 2>have over forty million in career earnings. All these guys

1181
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:23.840
<v Speaker 2>have plenty of arguments for them to be in the

1182
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame. And none of these guys are forty yet.

1183
00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:29.199
<v Speaker 2>So it is insane to think that in the next

1184
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:32.880
<v Speaker 2>five years all of them are turning forty and none

1185
00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:37.599
<v Speaker 2>of them have a spot locked up because of how

1186
00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:40.320
<v Speaker 2>crazy the backlog is, because you know, there's a good

1187
00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:42.079
<v Speaker 2>chance that sever is the only one to get in

1188
00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:46.199
<v Speaker 2>next year, for example, because he was closest to getting

1189
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:49.000
<v Speaker 2>enough votes this year, and now Kuhn gets added. And

1190
00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:53.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean Kuhn even in his conversation with me, talked

1191
00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:56.480
<v Speaker 2>about how much he respected Sever. So it's very possible

1192
00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:59.239
<v Speaker 2>that next year Sever's turned. With every passing year the

1193
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:02.320
<v Speaker 2>only one player it's in the backlog gets worse and

1194
00:56:02.360 --> 00:56:04.239
<v Speaker 2>there are going to be a lot of players who

1195
00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:05.599
<v Speaker 2>are going to miss out on being part of the

1196
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:07.159
<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame, even though they're very deserving.

1197
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I can't disagree. You know, I think

1198
00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:13.800
<v Speaker 1>you put it very well there. I would guess that

1199
00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:16.400
<v Speaker 1>just seeing some of this initial pushback here from some

1200
00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:18.519
<v Speaker 1>of the people out there who wanted more than one

1201
00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:21.320
<v Speaker 1>people and made the arguments for other people. In addition

1202
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:24.480
<v Speaker 1>to kuon getting in, I think there's no pushback on

1203
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Jason getting in everyone. I think like he was number

1204
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:29.480
<v Speaker 1>one on their list, right, but it was like, these

1205
00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:33.039
<v Speaker 1>other players are deserving, so they should also be in

1206
00:56:33.079 --> 00:56:36.320
<v Speaker 1>there as well. And I'm gonna maybe just go out

1207
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:38.320
<v Speaker 1>on a lim and say next year, we definitely get

1208
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:42.320
<v Speaker 1>two or three, just because there might be some pressure

1209
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:45.280
<v Speaker 1>where it's like, oh, well, remember last year, maybe we

1210
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:47.400
<v Speaker 1>didn't get that exactly right, so let's make up for

1211
00:56:47.440 --> 00:56:47.920
<v Speaker 1>it this year.

1212
00:56:48.440 --> 00:56:51.480
<v Speaker 2>And then one thing before he played the interview, the

1213
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:54.440
<v Speaker 2>fact that Kuon got in by himself and the fact

1214
00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:57.519
<v Speaker 2>that he's first ballot, I think made it that much

1215
00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:00.920
<v Speaker 2>more special because Kuon is up there doing the interview

1216
00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:03.639
<v Speaker 2>with Jeff Platt on the est PM broadcast, and then

1217
00:57:03.639 --> 00:57:07.800
<v Speaker 2>he gets brought over to the poker room where his

1218
00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:11.840
<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame picture was unveiled. I was there with

1219
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:13.920
<v Speaker 2>the other poker media and we all we all spoke

1220
00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:15.800
<v Speaker 2>to him. He was there with his with his wife Bianca,

1221
00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:19.559
<v Speaker 2>his two incredible kids. Bianca has a third on the way.

1222
00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:23.599
<v Speaker 2>Andrew Robo was there with his wife, and it was

1223
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:26.719
<v Speaker 2>very It was very intimate because it was just him

1224
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:29.800
<v Speaker 2>getting inducted. If you're standing there with Sean Deeven Scott,

1225
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:33.639
<v Speaker 2>sever the atmosphere is completely different. You know, it's not

1226
00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:36.840
<v Speaker 2>just your thing, you're part of your event. It is

1227
00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:39.760
<v Speaker 2>for all these guys. So I think that you know

1228
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:43.199
<v Speaker 2>and and perhaps deservingly so as well. Given Kuhne's stature

1229
00:57:43.199 --> 00:57:46.119
<v Speaker 2>in the game, having that moment with him and having

1230
00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:48.000
<v Speaker 2>a chance to talk to him was just really cool,

1231
00:57:48.039 --> 00:57:50.400
<v Speaker 2>and he had a lot of incredible things to say,

1232
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:53.760
<v Speaker 2>as as Jason qun always does. Jason is from from

1233
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:55.360
<v Speaker 2>West and West Virginia.

1234
00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:58.039
<v Speaker 1>To stand here.

1235
00:57:57.039 --> 00:57:59.360
<v Speaker 2>At the Horseshoe, you get the Hall of Fame photos

1236
00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:02.519
<v Speaker 2>behind you, you got suppour of your closest friends.

1237
00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:04.199
<v Speaker 1>And your family described this.

1238
00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:06.960
<v Speaker 5>Moment, yeah, man, I mean, honestly, I haven't talked about

1239
00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:09.039
<v Speaker 5>it today because we've kind of been in hyper speed

1240
00:58:09.039 --> 00:58:12.400
<v Speaker 5>with everybody. But to think about it, you know, I

1241
00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:14.360
<v Speaker 5>was the first person in my family to go to college.

1242
00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:18.039
<v Speaker 5>I suffered a hip injury that I thought was the

1243
00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:20.559
<v Speaker 5>worst thing that had ever happened to me, and I

1244
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:22.840
<v Speaker 5>set in my bed with stitches in my leg and

1245
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:25.960
<v Speaker 5>started playing online poker. And to think that that happened,

1246
00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:27.840
<v Speaker 5>and for me to find my love at such a

1247
00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:32.559
<v Speaker 5>young age because that injury happened, it's a wild story. Man,

1248
00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:34.400
<v Speaker 5>twenty years later here, I am. I really can't. I

1249
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:35.039
<v Speaker 5>can't believe it.

1250
00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:41.280
<v Speaker 2>The steps you took in poker were not linear growth, right, Yeah,

1251
00:58:41.280 --> 00:58:44.719
<v Speaker 2>there's ups and downs, there's setbacks, there's big moments forward,

1252
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:45.320
<v Speaker 2>that's right.

1253
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:47.760
<v Speaker 1>What comes to mind when you hear the words that

1254
00:58:47.800 --> 00:58:48.639
<v Speaker 1>you are inducted.

1255
00:58:48.719 --> 00:58:52.239
<v Speaker 2>What are some of those big moments, both forward and backwards.

1256
00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:54.599
<v Speaker 7>You know you would think back of rather than thinking

1257
00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:55.159
<v Speaker 7>in moments.

1258
00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:58.079
<v Speaker 5>I tend to think of my mentors and the people

1259
00:58:58.119 --> 00:58:59.360
<v Speaker 5>that were with me along the way.

1260
00:58:59.880 --> 00:59:04.000
<v Speaker 7>And I've had such a great group of friends that

1261
00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:04.719
<v Speaker 7>are now my family.

1262
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:06.679
<v Speaker 5>As you know, you know, you and ourn pals, But like,

1263
00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:09.199
<v Speaker 5>if you really you look at my group of poker friends,

1264
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:11.000
<v Speaker 5>it's like an Avengers cast for a movie.

1265
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:13.159
<v Speaker 7>It's insane and every.

1266
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:16.440
<v Speaker 5>Chapter, you know, there's been there's been, like you said,

1267
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:18.159
<v Speaker 5>ups and downs at the biggest stakes in the world.

1268
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:20.400
<v Speaker 5>But I've just had these guys and you you just

1269
00:59:20.480 --> 00:59:22.559
<v Speaker 5>know you're solid. We can all relate with each other.

1270
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:26.480
<v Speaker 5>You're you're pushing each other every day to be better.

1271
00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:26.719
<v Speaker 7>You know.

1272
00:59:26.800 --> 00:59:29.280
<v Speaker 5>It's like straight up, last week, I don't plan on

1273
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:31.920
<v Speaker 5>playing for the next six months. Last week me and

1274
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:33.920
<v Speaker 5>six of the best poker players in the world studied

1275
00:59:33.960 --> 00:59:34.440
<v Speaker 5>every day.

1276
00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:37.079
<v Speaker 7>I'm not planning again for six months. It's just like that.

1277
00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:39.519
<v Speaker 5>We're like a family. We push each other. It's the

1278
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:41.800
<v Speaker 5>only way to be and Uh. Yeah, I'm just so

1279
00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:43.000
<v Speaker 5>blessed to have my team.

1280
00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:45.599
<v Speaker 2>I like to refer back to a moment we had

1281
00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:48.960
<v Speaker 2>backstage during WSP where you mentioned that some of these

1282
00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:52.039
<v Speaker 2>guys are just different. Yeah, you mentioned IQ, you mentioned Shitwick. Yeah,

1283
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:55.400
<v Speaker 2>you said their brains operate on a level that's just different.

1284
00:59:55.639 --> 00:59:57.639
<v Speaker 2>It seems to me like you often forget that you

1285
00:59:57.719 --> 01:00:00.320
<v Speaker 2>are also among that crowd and you're now on this wall.

1286
01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:02.719
<v Speaker 1>So what is it that separates you from the rest of.

1287
01:00:02.960 --> 01:00:05.679
<v Speaker 5>Well, you know, that's a question I asked myself all

1288
01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:09.000
<v Speaker 5>the time, because I truly you know, oftentimes I'm sitting

1289
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:11.880
<v Speaker 5>here like how did this happen? And I've done two

1290
01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:15.159
<v Speaker 5>things extraordinarily well in my career. The first thing is

1291
01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:18.880
<v Speaker 5>I'm ridiculously persistent, like I just never stopped, you know me,

1292
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:23.119
<v Speaker 5>I'm so energetic, I never stop. And secondly, I've been

1293
01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:26.199
<v Speaker 5>great at finding people to push me to be better.

1294
01:00:26.519 --> 01:00:29.800
<v Speaker 5>And that those things kind of intersect, because you have

1295
01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:32.239
<v Speaker 5>to be persistent at driving people crazy enough to work

1296
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:34.760
<v Speaker 5>with you. Like Ike's a great example. I said, hey,

1297
01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:36.719
<v Speaker 5>coach me. He said no. I said, hey, I'll pay

1298
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:37.559
<v Speaker 5>you this an hour.

1299
01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:38.079
<v Speaker 7>He said no.

1300
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:40.760
<v Speaker 5>I said, okay, I just sent you twenty thousand dollars

1301
01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:42.920
<v Speaker 5>to your account. You have to coach me, And he said,

1302
01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:46.320
<v Speaker 5>damn it, okay, And that's how our relationship started. Like

1303
01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:48.239
<v Speaker 5>things like that, I just would not take no for

1304
01:00:48.280 --> 01:00:50.960
<v Speaker 5>an answer, not just with relationships but with myself.

1305
01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:52.920
<v Speaker 7>You know, I would hit barriers where.

1306
01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:55.320
<v Speaker 5>I just couldn't win, and I just my life has

1307
01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:58.480
<v Speaker 5>been very binary. It's it's I have something I need

1308
01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:01.280
<v Speaker 5>to accomplish or I die. That's how I look at things.

1309
01:01:01.400 --> 01:01:03.360
<v Speaker 5>So I'm gonna do the thing. And my life's just

1310
01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:05.000
<v Speaker 5>been that way since I was seven years old.

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01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:10.159
<v Speaker 2>In poker, it's often dangerous to critject or forecast how

1312
01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:12.920
<v Speaker 2>things are gonna go. Yeah, but was there a moment

1313
01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:15.880
<v Speaker 2>in time where you might have thought, for the first time,

1314
01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:18.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm on track to be in the Hall of Fame.

1315
01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:21.480
<v Speaker 2>I now belong or I will belong at some point.

1316
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:21.800
<v Speaker 1>On this wall.

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01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:22.599
<v Speaker 7>Well, I knew.

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01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:26.639
<v Speaker 5>I knew maybe nine years ago that special things were

1319
01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:30.519
<v Speaker 5>starting to happen when I was holding the lobbies on

1320
01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:33.320
<v Speaker 5>specific apps against the best players in the world, and

1321
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:35.519
<v Speaker 5>I was the guy that was no one would play

1322
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:36.960
<v Speaker 5>me heads up anymore, and I was the guy that

1323
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:39.119
<v Speaker 5>was winning the most that ring and then I had

1324
01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:42.119
<v Speaker 5>the tournament runs that I had. I started to think, Wow,

1325
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:45.199
<v Speaker 5>like this career is it's been a good one, you know.

1326
01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:47.440
<v Speaker 5>And I was thinking that maybe eight or nine years ago,

1327
01:01:47.559 --> 01:01:50.840
<v Speaker 5>and some good stuff's happened between those nine years too,

1328
01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:54.800
<v Speaker 5>and it doesn't make sense to me. I still can't

1329
01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:56.920
<v Speaker 5>believe it happened. Like I said, it was almost it's

1330
01:01:56.960 --> 01:01:59.440
<v Speaker 5>almost all been like a weird dream. But all I

1331
01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:01.800
<v Speaker 5>can say is, every single day I do something.

1332
01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:04.760
<v Speaker 2>One of the things about the Hall of Fame that

1333
01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:06.599
<v Speaker 2>makes it so special, and I know they've changed the

1334
01:02:06.679 --> 01:02:09.639
<v Speaker 2>rules a little bit this year, is that you need

1335
01:02:10.119 --> 01:02:14.159
<v Speaker 2>your peers to recognize your accomplishments and your longevity in

1336
01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:18.719
<v Speaker 2>the game and your success. When the nominees were announced,

1337
01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:22.360
<v Speaker 2>there were people running campaigns and whatnot. There's phone calls

1338
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:25.760
<v Speaker 2>going at what has the reception been from the members

1339
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:28.079
<v Speaker 2>that were already in about your nomination?

1340
01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:31.039
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, honestly, that's been the most overwhelming thing about this

1341
01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:34.840
<v Speaker 5>entire experience. There's been guys like Eric's Sidel, John Jowanda,

1342
01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:38.199
<v Speaker 5>Phil Ivy. I was taking a leak in the bathroom

1343
01:02:38.199 --> 01:02:39.880
<v Speaker 5>and Phil Helmuth walks up to me and he goes,

1344
01:02:39.920 --> 01:02:40.360
<v Speaker 5>you got my.

1345
01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:42.199
<v Speaker 7>Vote, kid literally teared up.

1346
01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:45.039
<v Speaker 5>I was like washing my hands, like, wow, Phil Hellmuth's

1347
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:46.760
<v Speaker 5>just voted for me to get into the Poker Hall

1348
01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:50.559
<v Speaker 5>of Fame. Like these are overwhelming, These are idols of mine,

1349
01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:53.039
<v Speaker 5>you know, Like I came in and these guys were it.

1350
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:55.480
<v Speaker 5>You know, even guys like Jack Binyon voted for me.

1351
01:02:56.760 --> 01:03:01.199
<v Speaker 5>Bobby Baldwin like goat, you know, like incredible sending me text,

1352
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:02.519
<v Speaker 5>hey kid, you had my vote.

1353
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:05.199
<v Speaker 7>I just Maury like it's it's unbelievable.

1354
01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:08.480
<v Speaker 5>So it just means so much to me that these

1355
01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:11.760
<v Speaker 5>guys actually, uh, you know, they think I'm legit, and

1356
01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:13.559
<v Speaker 5>that's you know, you call that vain call of what

1357
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:15.400
<v Speaker 5>you want. But when your heroes kind of give you

1358
01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:17.199
<v Speaker 5>a tap and say, hey, yeah, I've voted for you,

1359
01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:18.320
<v Speaker 5>it's a big moment.

1360
01:03:18.920 --> 01:03:21.360
<v Speaker 2>A few more small ones, but I know you're not

1361
01:03:21.559 --> 01:03:23.519
<v Speaker 2>one to rest or, one to sit back.

1362
01:03:23.599 --> 01:03:24.719
<v Speaker 7>Now, Jos's crazy.

1363
01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:26.840
<v Speaker 2>So when you say you know you're not playing for

1364
01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:29.400
<v Speaker 2>six months, I know number three is on the way, yeah,

1365
01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:32.039
<v Speaker 2>but I also know you're not part of this elite club.

1366
01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:34.599
<v Speaker 7>If you will, Yeah, what does this mean.

1367
01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:37.800
<v Speaker 2>For your ongoing longevity in the game? And you're perhaps

1368
01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:40.239
<v Speaker 2>your goals and ambitions because you know what's left in

1369
01:03:40.280 --> 01:03:40.599
<v Speaker 2>a way.

1370
01:03:40.840 --> 01:03:43.599
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so I already told these guys I'm basically technical

1371
01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:45.639
<v Speaker 5>support for the next six months. I said, I'll study

1372
01:03:45.679 --> 01:03:48.320
<v Speaker 5>with you every day. I'll help you prep for final tables.

1373
01:03:48.320 --> 01:03:50.840
<v Speaker 5>That'll keep me sharp. I'll help you guys work on PLO.

1374
01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:53.400
<v Speaker 5>If there's cash games, we can game plan together. That's

1375
01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:55.519
<v Speaker 5>kind of the idea to keep me keep the blade sharp.

1376
01:03:55.559 --> 01:03:57.280
<v Speaker 5>For me, I'm going to have a baby strapped to

1377
01:03:57.360 --> 01:03:59.559
<v Speaker 5>my chest, which I'm looking forward to so much. Third

1378
01:03:59.559 --> 01:04:03.159
<v Speaker 5>time round, you realize how fast those moments go. And

1379
01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:07.159
<v Speaker 5>even you know, since the WSB ended for me, say

1380
01:04:07.199 --> 01:04:09.800
<v Speaker 5>four weeks ago or something, I've been sprinting five days

1381
01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:12.719
<v Speaker 5>a week, powerlifting Like like you.

1382
01:04:12.639 --> 01:04:13.719
<v Speaker 7>Said, I can't rest.

1383
01:04:13.840 --> 01:04:17.000
<v Speaker 5>So I'm just gonna lose myself in things I'm passionate

1384
01:04:17.000 --> 01:04:19.960
<v Speaker 5>about my family, my health, and helping my buddies win poker,

1385
01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:21.760
<v Speaker 5>and hopefully if they go over there and take down

1386
01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:23.320
<v Speaker 5>some titles, it'll it'll feel like I did it.

1387
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:26.719
<v Speaker 2>The final question, your kids are young, you know, third

1388
01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:27.360
<v Speaker 2>ones on the way.

1389
01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:31.920
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, but there's something about the fact that you've accomplished

1390
01:04:31.920 --> 01:04:35.639
<v Speaker 9>this while their awareness of the world around them is

1391
01:04:35.760 --> 01:04:38.480
<v Speaker 9>only slowly starting to creep in. Yeah, what is that

1392
01:04:38.559 --> 01:04:40.840
<v Speaker 9>conversation going to be like with them ultimately when they

1393
01:04:40.840 --> 01:04:42.519
<v Speaker 9>are old enough to understand.

1394
01:04:42.119 --> 01:04:42.599
<v Speaker 1>What's going on?

1395
01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:44.079
<v Speaker 5>You know. It's one of those things I've thought a

1396
01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:47.119
<v Speaker 5>lot about, and I just want them to understand. One

1397
01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:49.519
<v Speaker 5>thing that I really appreciate the poker brings to the

1398
01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:51.920
<v Speaker 5>table for them is they see me lose, and they

1399
01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:55.079
<v Speaker 5>see me lose often, and I come home and everything's okay,

1400
01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:57.559
<v Speaker 5>and I feel good about myself and I hug my

1401
01:04:57.639 --> 01:04:59.280
<v Speaker 5>kids and I say and they say, Daddy, is you

1402
01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:00.159
<v Speaker 5>want I said, no, I got.

1403
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:01.760
<v Speaker 7>Killed a dat but I'm fine.

1404
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:04.800
<v Speaker 5>And they're learning that, you know, even that, if that's

1405
01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:08.039
<v Speaker 5>enough from a starting point for them, that's an amazing

1406
01:05:08.079 --> 01:05:08.719
<v Speaker 5>place to begin.

1407
01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:11.599
<v Speaker 7>And to look back. I think they'll.

1408
01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:13.559
<v Speaker 5>Understand their dad worked really, really hard at something, and

1409
01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:16.000
<v Speaker 5>they might walk in here one day and say, holy shit,

1410
01:05:16.199 --> 01:05:17.239
<v Speaker 5>that's my dad on the watch.

1411
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:33.440
<v Speaker 1>One more quick thought, and this is something that I

1412
01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:36.719
<v Speaker 1>just started thinking about while you and I were conversing

1413
01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:40.039
<v Speaker 1>about this. But what if it wasn't just a thing

1414
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:43.039
<v Speaker 1>that's done every single year during the World Series of Poker.

1415
01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:46.360
<v Speaker 1>What if they just inducted people whenever they wanted. Yeah,

1416
01:05:46.400 --> 01:05:48.119
<v Speaker 1>like if they kind of got together as a committee

1417
01:05:48.119 --> 01:05:50.119
<v Speaker 1>and said, like, you know what, let's discuss maybe they

1418
01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:52.960
<v Speaker 1>get together let's say quarterly, and they just said, you

1419
01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:55.280
<v Speaker 1>know what, it's time for Jason to get in. Let's

1420
01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:57.159
<v Speaker 1>put him in. Here's what we're going to do the ceremony.

1421
01:05:57.239 --> 01:05:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Let's go, which goes to your point of like then

1422
01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:02.920
<v Speaker 1>you get a ceremony for one person, right then maybe

1423
01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:05.400
<v Speaker 1>it's next month. They're like, you know what, it's Sever's time.

1424
01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:08.920
<v Speaker 1>These are the reasons, like can everyone in the room vote,

1425
01:06:08.960 --> 01:06:11.519
<v Speaker 1>like if there's a certain number or whatever, then they say, okay,

1426
01:06:11.559 --> 01:06:14.400
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do sever whenever. Maybe then you go, you

1427
01:06:14.440 --> 01:06:16.599
<v Speaker 1>go like three years when there's no one because there's

1428
01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:18.920
<v Speaker 1>no one meets the criteria for whatever reason. I don't

1429
01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:20.639
<v Speaker 1>think we're in that period now, but I'm just you know,

1430
01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:22.760
<v Speaker 1>just to make an argument, does like why does it

1431
01:06:22.800 --> 01:06:24.960
<v Speaker 1>have to be like every single year on this date,

1432
01:06:25.119 --> 01:06:26.639
<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame voting comes up? Like I know that's

1433
01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:28.800
<v Speaker 1>how like other places do it, but like why does

1434
01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:29.719
<v Speaker 1>it have to be like that?

1435
01:06:29.719 --> 01:06:32.880
<v Speaker 2>I'll do you on better. The committee gathers once a

1436
01:06:32.960 --> 01:06:36.239
<v Speaker 2>year and can be on Zoom too. Because there's there's

1437
01:06:36.280 --> 01:06:38.039
<v Speaker 2>not enough people in all in one place. But the

1438
01:06:38.039 --> 01:06:40.760
<v Speaker 2>committee gathers once a year, and let's just say like

1439
01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:45.159
<v Speaker 2>this is in January, and they they have their arguments

1440
01:06:45.199 --> 01:06:47.519
<v Speaker 2>they can make for each player. Jason Jason Kuon can

1441
01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:51.119
<v Speaker 2>go into this meeting pitching the induction of Scott sever

1442
01:06:51.519 --> 01:06:53.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, and and you know, Brian Rask can come

1443
01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:56.440
<v Speaker 2>in there and pitch the induction of Sean Deep and

1444
01:06:56.480 --> 01:06:57.920
<v Speaker 2>then they have they have a couple of weeks to

1445
01:06:58.559 --> 01:07:00.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, think about it, and then have a second

1446
01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:03.639
<v Speaker 2>meeting in which they decide who gets in this year,

1447
01:07:03.719 --> 01:07:07.679
<v Speaker 2>the class of twenty twenty seven, and then during the WSOP,

1448
01:07:08.119 --> 01:07:11.480
<v Speaker 2>and this all stays under wraps. Then during the WSOP,

1449
01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:16.079
<v Speaker 2>depending on how many there are during the main event

1450
01:07:16.719 --> 01:07:20.199
<v Speaker 2>on day one A one induction Day one B one

1451
01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:22.639
<v Speaker 2>induction Day one, see one induction. And if there's five

1452
01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:24.719
<v Speaker 2>people that year, there's just five days in a row

1453
01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:26.639
<v Speaker 2>where a person gets inducted, and if there's only one,

1454
01:07:27.280 --> 01:07:30.840
<v Speaker 2>there's only one. But I think that way, you talk

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01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:36.360
<v Speaker 2>among the Hall of Fame crowd who is worthy and deserving,

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01:07:37.360 --> 01:07:42.440
<v Speaker 2>and the voting can be on each player individually. If

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01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Kun suggests that sever has to get in, and he

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01:07:46.039 --> 01:07:48.960
<v Speaker 2>as a member can do that. Then the other members

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01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:52.639
<v Speaker 2>have to vote yes or no on that person. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if Jack Binyon wants to nominate someone, he

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01:07:57.280 --> 01:07:59.719
<v Speaker 2>also is free to do so. I think that could

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01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:01.760
<v Speaker 2>be a good way to expand this format.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean basically, I think what we're getting at

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01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:08.280
<v Speaker 1>is you're having a single ceremony for one person getting in,

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01:08:08.360 --> 01:08:11.360
<v Speaker 1>and then you're almost reverse engineering the whole process from there. Yeah,

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01:08:11.519 --> 01:08:13.159
<v Speaker 1>like you're being like, Okay, how do we celebrate this

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01:08:13.239 --> 01:08:15.960
<v Speaker 1>one person for their accomplishments in the game and what

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01:08:16.039 --> 01:08:19.720
<v Speaker 1>they did on the biggest stage. Okay, that's great, Now

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01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:21.960
<v Speaker 1>how do we reverse engineer all of it to get

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<v Speaker 1>them there? And then we can do that multiple times.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe it is during the WSB made event. Maybe

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01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:28.880
<v Speaker 1>it's once a week during the summer, right, whatever it is,

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01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:32.760
<v Speaker 1>but it's it's everyone gets their flowers on their own

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01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:35.600
<v Speaker 1>special occasion. They're celebrated. Whatever. You could even do cool

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01:08:35.640 --> 01:08:37.199
<v Speaker 1>things like you know, when they showed the NFL, like

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01:08:37.239 --> 01:08:39.199
<v Speaker 1>they the Hall of Fame member goes to the guy's

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01:08:39.199 --> 01:08:41.880
<v Speaker 1>house and knocks on the door, like Nick Shulman just

1478
01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:43.920
<v Speaker 1>like walks up to Jason Kuhon always playing the hunter

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01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:46.000
<v Speaker 1>k like right about they're about to go on break,

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01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:48.560
<v Speaker 1>shakes his hand. There's cameras around Jason Kuhn, like what

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01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:50.560
<v Speaker 1>the hell is going on? Nick's like you're in buddy

1482
01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:53.760
<v Speaker 1>like that like that, like shit like that, Like let's

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01:08:53.960 --> 01:08:56.760
<v Speaker 1>like that would be dope anyway, too much talk tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fore should we take over the Hall of Fame?

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01:08:58.680 --> 01:09:01.800
<v Speaker 1>No we should not. It's it's twelve fifty two in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning. Normally I say what time it is done?

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<v Speaker 1>There's no one here, There is no one here. We

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01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:06.520
<v Speaker 1>are the last ones here.

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01:09:06.560 --> 01:09:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Does make me feel like like ten fifteen years ago,

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01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:11.000
<v Speaker 2>It does when you and I were always the last

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01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:13.239
<v Speaker 2>ones here. It does, or whoever we were working with

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01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:13.640
<v Speaker 2>at the time.

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01:09:14.319 --> 01:09:16.760
<v Speaker 1>Main event, Baby, we probably wouldn't be the last ones

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01:09:16.800 --> 01:09:19.000
<v Speaker 1>here if this thing didn't go six hours today.

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01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:21.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh I thought you were going to say if Marco

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01:09:21.319 --> 01:09:23.039
<v Speaker 2>Valerio didn't show up. That is true.

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01:09:23.119 --> 01:09:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Agent Marco in the Flesh showed up, had a conversation

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01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:28.039
<v Speaker 1>with us, doing great.

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01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:32.279
<v Speaker 2>And I love how Agent Marco is always Agent Marco.

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01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:35.399
<v Speaker 2>The way he talks, it's it's authentic.

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01:09:35.520 --> 01:09:37.359
<v Speaker 1>It's just who he said to me when you were

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01:09:37.399 --> 01:09:38.880
<v Speaker 1>off to the side for second and we were talking.

1503
01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:41.359
<v Speaker 1>He's like, not to sound like I'm interviewing you, and

1504
01:09:41.399 --> 01:09:43.479
<v Speaker 1>then he just kept asking questions like he was actually

1505
01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:45.800
<v Speaker 1>interviewing me. And I was like, no, man, it's it's okay,

1506
01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Like it's totally fine. I'm here for it.

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01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:49.560
<v Speaker 2>So there's donuts left by the way.

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01:09:50.439 --> 01:09:53.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm not I'm not doing it. I faded the donuts

1509
01:09:53.439 --> 01:09:55.079
<v Speaker 1>all day today and I'm still going to try and

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01:09:55.119 --> 01:09:58.159
<v Speaker 1>fade them. So anyway, it's about to be one am

1511
01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:00.359
<v Speaker 1>Remco and I are going to get the heck ou here.

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01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:03.319
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna be back on Tuesday, August fourth. We'll do

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01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:05.720
<v Speaker 1>the same sort of recap style pod at the end

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01:10:05.800 --> 01:10:08.479
<v Speaker 1>of that. I think the goal is to get down

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01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:10.079
<v Speaker 1>to three handed play.

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01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:10.840
<v Speaker 2>Now.

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01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:13.960
<v Speaker 1>The goal today was to get down to six handed play.

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01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:16.760
<v Speaker 1>They didn't exactly reach that, so we'll see what comes.

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01:10:16.800 --> 01:10:19.159
<v Speaker 2>I think we should have the people, uh leave a

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01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:21.279
<v Speaker 2>comment on the video if you're watching it on YouTube

1521
01:10:22.359 --> 01:10:25.079
<v Speaker 2>with who your top three is gonna be? Yeah, I

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01:10:25.159 --> 01:10:27.960
<v Speaker 2>like that. Let's go. I'm gonna I'm gonna go. I'll

1523
01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:33.920
<v Speaker 2>just kick this off. I'm gonna go. Jumalan Fang and Gagliano.

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01:10:34.079 --> 01:10:36.199
<v Speaker 1>God, I was gonna say the exact same three I

1525
01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:38.279
<v Speaker 1>can't say the same same thing now, So I'm gonna go.

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01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:46.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go Jumalan fang and I'll say Jamie Chevelle

1527
01:10:47.399 --> 01:10:49.439
<v Speaker 1>runs it back up. Got eleven big mindes to work with,

1528
01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:52.359
<v Speaker 1>buddies in there. It's gotta have some good fortune on

1529
01:10:52.359 --> 01:10:55.039
<v Speaker 1>on on day two, the final table. All right, that's

1530
01:10:55.039 --> 01:10:57.479
<v Speaker 1>gonna do it for us, for Remka Rikima. I am

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01:10:57.640 --> 01:10:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Donnie Peters, and we will talk to you guys next.

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01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Start rat to night on the

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<v Speaker 7>Change Express.
