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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the

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Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donny Peters, and I

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will not be the only voice you are hearing on

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this microphone. I got my guy Remco Rinkim along side

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of me. Plus we got some audio from plenty of

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players as well. We're gonna get into all of that

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as we recap day one of the w s AP

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Main Event Final Table. I guess day nine overall, ten, whatever, twelve, eighteen.

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I feel like today was four days in one with

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how long these guys played, well over one hundred hands

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on day one. The plan coming into the day was

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to go from nine down to six. They didn't even

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make it there. They only got down to seven. They

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ended up calling it quits at the end of level

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forty one. Lucas Jumalan's the chip leader. Han Feng had

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a surge. He's second in chips. Greg went the other way.

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He's the short stack, but he's still alive. It just

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absolutely crazy scenes here at Horseshoe Down on the Loss

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of Vegas trip Remcro just first off the cuff, thoughts,

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what did you see here? The atmosphere, whatever you want

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to throw at me, just throw it.

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Speaker 2: At me, Well, this is why past my bedtime.

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Speaker 1: That's very true, very true.

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Speaker 2: I gotta correct myself. We've we've now made day ten.

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This was day nine. And the reason I was thinking

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of that is because I spoke to Michael Gagliano, who

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said that it's important to mention that he's made day ten,

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which is not something you ever say when you play

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poker poker tournaments. But yeah, it's it's it's it's kind

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of surreal, this this final table business. I was never

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fortunate enough to travel out for November nine because I

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didn't live in Vegas at the time, so my final

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liple memories of the main event are sort of in

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the post November nine era, and I've been to all

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of them since, which have all been really cool experiences

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in and of itself. And this is another first for

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us because you know, at poker Go, we're no longer

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doing our thing the way we have in the past,

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so we're a little bit more on the sidelines, which

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you know, it's you know, it's neither good nor bad

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for our experience, but it does change the way we

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we sort of move around here a little bit and

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you know, trying to find our footing. But the one

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thing that I think cannot be understated is how freaking

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cool this whole set is, this whole stage, the entire production.

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Of course, tons of people from pocer Goo is still

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you know, involved in some capacity or at least people

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that we work with at poker Go. And just the energy,

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the atmosphere, the excitement from from the players, the rail

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you can even see, you know, the staff is buzzing,

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the waiters are walking one step faster. There's just a

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certain energy in the room. Ran into Michaelmas, Rocky, Maria

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j Brin Kenny was walking around. There was like a

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VIP lounge for the sponsor Solana. So all in all,

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fantastic first night of poker. From that perspective, the atmosphere

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was definitely great, but don him curious to hear your thoughts.

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I definitely felt like things fell very flat when you

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look at this from a poker fan slash consumer perspective,

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just because of you know, I guess the expected style

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of play coming into the final table.

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Speaker 1: I think there's two different buckets for how fans would

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look at this first day of the Final table. There

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are the diehard poker enthusiasts who I think you and

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I would probably fall under, and a lot of the

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listeners of this podcast would also fall into that category

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as well, where they love the shit right, they don't

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care if it might be ICM ball out there and

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it's a little bit more boring, and the pre flop

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all ins just aren't there every other hand and that

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sort of stuff. But then on the other side of things,

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you know, this is now back on ESPN. This first

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night was on ESPN two. They're going to be moving

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to ESPN one or just ESPN on Wednesday or sorry,

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Tuesday and Wednesday. And if you're just flipping through the channels,

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you're looking for something to land on. The kids have

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gone to sleep, you know, maybe the wife is dozing

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off as well. You're like, what am I gonna land on?

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at night. Oh what, Poker's back on ESPN. But then

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you start watching it, and if you're more of a

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casual viewer era as Nick Shulman might say, a civilian,

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you maybe you're like, well, what this is so boring?

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No one's doing anything. You know, there's one guy dressed

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like mister Wall Street bets. There's another guy looking like

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do Flamingo over there with the pink boa no buttons

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on his shirt. That's Han Fang. We'll get into all

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that sort of stuff later. But for as loud as

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the players and the rail and everything, the actual play

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wasn't that loud, right, So I think it depending on

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what side of a fan you are. If you're the

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die hard, you love it and you like getting into

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the nitty grittiness of it all, and you don't mind

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the small wall approach and the tight folds that people

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are making because you understand the ICM dynamics at play

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and that's the game within the game. But for the

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casual fan, you might be like, where's the aces versus queens?

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the the pocket tens and the guy flops an ace

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and rivers that, Like, where is all this sort of stuff?

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Like what is happening? So it's hard, right. I thought

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it was a good first night. I thought that night

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one was gonna go like this. You know, we had

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some pre we had our regular work meetings, and I

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know some of the people were saying like, oh, it's

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gonna go so fast. I thought it was so fast,

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and I was like, no, no shot. Like, if you

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watch these guys playing on day eight getting down to

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the final table, a lot of them once the page

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jumps got bigger and bigger, it was like, Okay, I

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gotta kind of lock down. And that's also what allowed

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Lucas Jumlan to get that huge chip lead, right, And

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then you couple that with the fact that they give

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these guys two and a half to three weeks off.

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Everyone's going home, all these players, I mean, even someone

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like Greg Mueller, Like I know, he's not necessarily the

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most studied player out there, and you touched a lot

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on the Faciase podcast with him, by the way, listen

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to that if you haven't already, it's back on this

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feed or on the Pokagro YouTube channel. But even someone

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like him, he sure has like Sean Buchannan in his

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ear like Okay, you should do this, you should do that.

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And that was evidence on the second hand of the

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day when Michael Gagliano opens early Position and Mueller fold

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days Jack suited, So it's like immediately out of the gate,

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you're like, oh, that's how Greg's gonna approach this, and

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like that. Now, the play did kind of loosen up

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a little bit, and players acted a little bit more

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cavalier as things went on, But early on it was

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very evident that the players were going to just kind

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of lock in. And I think part of that is, like,

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obviously the pay jumps getting much bigger. You're now under

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the final table, bright lights, everyone is watching. You know,

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you're on ESPN two Live. You probably don't want to

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make an ass to yourself and make some big mistake,

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And then you probably had a lot of people in

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your ears being like, Hey, this is the chip position,

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this is your ICM value, this is how you got

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to approach things. These are the only hands that you

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can raise from early position like that, you can't do this,

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this and this. You can't just be defending from the

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big blind with the Queen three off suit anymore. Like

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it's not just how it is. You can't go broke

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with top pair or second pair. If you have a

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flush straw, don't go nuts. Like all that sort of

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stuff just starts getting into everyone's minds and then they

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kind of just play everything a bit more close to

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the vest, which we saw you also had two short

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stacks who really weren't going anywhere. That didn't help, you know,

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the speed of play or the excitement of play out there.

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But again, the diehard in me did enjoy it. I

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thought the rails were pretty good overall.

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Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 1: I did want find myself wanting a little bit more

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chanting like they did get after its Yeah, like that's

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when it started to really pick up, right, But before

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that I expected to see a little bit more chanting,

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mostly from I think Greg's rail Mueller Israel, you know.

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But yeah, I thought that was good overall, and I'm

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excited to see what happens going forward. Han Feng had

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himself one hell of a day. Started second to last

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and Chips finished second to first, and Chips so had

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an incredible run of things. Probably, I mean, we'll talk

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to him a little bit later. I interviewed him afterwards,

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and he'll tell you like, he couldn't have imagined a

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better start. Lucas Jumlan, he started off kind of hot,

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then he had a lull where it was like, oh, oh,

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here comes the slide, and then he hit this run

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of hands where it was like five six, seven, eight,

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hands in a row where he just won them all

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and it was like boom, I'm back over two hundred million.

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Speaker 2: Here we go.

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Speaker 1: Greg Mueller had some interesting moments throughout it, like he

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was he pulled out the check dark at one point

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we were both like, what the hell is happening here?

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Speaker 2: I think it's important with this in the Jumalan first

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because you know he touched briefly upon getting coached by

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Patrick Leonard, and also how you know, and also you know,

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me being face to face with him talking to him

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just minutes after play concluded. Just the guy just seems

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to be made for this spot. He's so cold, he's

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so relaxed, he just seems ready for the moment. And

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that was great to hear.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, let's just go to it right now.

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So here is Lucas Jumalan immediately following the bagging of

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chips talking to Remco.

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Speaker 2: So, Lucas, this first night for you, it seems as

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though you had a game plan, you stuck to it.

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You were able to pressure your opponents, which is something

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you of course have to do with the big stack.

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But how you look back on it, are you satisfied

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with where you are right now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean satisfied to still be in the tournament

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right and what the chip lead still is great and

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we're just gonna adapt to the situation tomorrow and whatever

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whatever they throw out as we'll be okay.

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Speaker 2: Patrick Leonard told me and Donnie before play started. He goes,

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I'm on team USA for today, and he posted some

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stuff on his stories studying with you, perhaps running some sims.

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What wasn't been like to work with someone like Pats?

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Speaker 3: You know, he's the emptt goat, so it's just been

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truly an honor and I can't thank him enough. And

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you know, I wouldn't have played nearly as well today

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if I hadn't put.

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Speaker 4: In the work with him.

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Speaker 3: I'm just so thankful for all of his support and

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time that he's put in him.

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Speaker 2: What is this daven like? Was it what you expected

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it to be? Did you feel any more adrenaline? Were

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able to sort of keep a levelhead?

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Speaker 3: You know, I've like never gotten too high, too low.

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Speaker 4: It's just like not me.

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Speaker 3: So you know, I'm I'm good. I'm ready to go

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tomorrow and we'll it'll probably set in after it's all over,

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but you know, I'm just just right in the wave.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things I would be curious and

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we can never like replay this. But had Lucas Jummelan

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ended the night, had the night come to an end

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when he was on the slide, I wonder how he

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would have talked to you right right like, because he

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got down to a run one hundred and fifty hundred

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and sixty million, right, and it would look like not

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that he was really ever in jeopardy of losing the chipley,

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but you had Lori Sascelotti starting to come up. You

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had Han Fang starting to come up at the end,

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and it was like, wait, hold on. Even at one

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point you had Greg Mueller starting to come up. He

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hit over eighty million, it was like, wait, is this

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gonna start to go the wrong way for Jumalan. Obviously

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he did course correct towards the end. He caught some

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heat to finish things out. So spirits are high. But

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have been like, hey, your first question would have been

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something like, hey, maybe it didn't go as you might

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have expected. You know, how are you going to kind

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of regroup overnight, refocus, lock back in for tomorrow? I said,

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just kind of previewing the table, I said, I think

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this kid wants the smoke, meaning I think he wants

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to be champion, he wants the spotlight, and I don't

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think that. I think there are two different things to want.

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There's wanting to win the WSP main event. There's wanting

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to win ten million dollars and like, you get the

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glory of the bracelet all that sort of stuff, But

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do you really want to be Poker's ambassador and be

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in the spotlight. That is an entirely different thing, and

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it's kind of just thrust on players, and I don't

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think everyone in their heart of hearts would admit that

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they want that. They want to everything else and then

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they don't want to have to do that sort of stuff.

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I think Lucas Jumelan wants it all, every single part

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of it, which I think is great.

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Speaker 2: And I think Patter Lenard also tweeted or put it

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on Instagram that this kid is more ready than anyone

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to be the champion, And you make a really good point.

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There's a difference between wanting to win ten million and

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wanting to be the champion. And carried carried that torture

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or how you want to call it, because that was

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very apparent from the way he was sort of carrying

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himself around the table. He also, you know, in true

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chip leader style. You know, we think back of guys

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like Joe McKee and kry Aldemir Jose Ensan who had

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dominating chip leads. He also played like a chip leader.

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And there was one streak where you and I were

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watching as we were dipping in and out. I think

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he won five or six hands in a row, and

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then a double up hand Fang, which was sort of

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a pivotal hand. That sort of change changed things around

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for Feng, who had been short for a very long time,

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literally just waiting for for a hand for him then

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to get it in. I was thinking it was Queen

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Jack of clubs on Queen ten nine with two clubs

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versus Ace four with only the ace of clubs from

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Jumalan that allowed him to double up, and that sort

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of you know, halted his I guess way of running

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over the table for just a few minutes, but he

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continued pressing and pressing and pressing, and he back to

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two hundred and twelve million chips. Eighty five big blinds

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Han Feg second and chips with forty three bigs, which

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you know very unlikely, but you had a chance to

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talk to him. I did talk to him afterwards. Cameras

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were all over this guy, rightfully so, wearing that pink bow.

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned. If you guys haven't seen the photos,

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if you haven't seen the coverage, you need to check

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it out. For what Han Feng showed up in I

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had to ask him about it in the interview. Also

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asked him about his day. Here is me talking to

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Han Feng immediately following play. All right, Han Feng, Yeah,

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second shortest to come into the day, second biggest stack,

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going through the secondary of the final table. Could you

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have imagined a better day?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 6: This is this is like if I could choose.

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Speaker 2: An outcome, this was it. This was it.

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Speaker 6: I don't think I get much better way unless like

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somehow I have more chips in lucas, but that's almost

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impossible mathematically, right, But this is as good as it gets.

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So second and chips come back tomorrow five PM. A

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lot of time to prepare. I'm a little sweaty, a

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little stinky, very thirsty. Uh yeah, they got really good

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shots on me. I can't wait to see those.

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Speaker 1: So talk to me about the mindset where you're battling

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for as one of the shorter stacks for much of

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the day, right, and then you get that late serge.

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You know, how is you just stay in the moment

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and be able to focus through it all when you're

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you're when you're rushing towards the end of the day.

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Speaker 6: It's just hand by hand, man, That's all I can say.

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It's just hand by hand. Uh, just know my strategy

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go as I like. It's just one hand at a time.

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I mean, it's it's just as simple as that. I

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don't have like a uh, I'm not like trying to

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do anything. It's just you know, I know my spot,

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I know my hand, and then I just I just

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play that no no ego, no.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It kept going over to your rail quite a bit.

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Maybe not the biggest rail here at final table, but

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definitely one that you're close with. You talked a lot,

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you got Michael Joe's up there helping you coaching. Just

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talk to me about having that support system right behind you.

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Speaker 2: It's awesome.

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Speaker 6: It's kind of like a nice little mental stability sort

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of thing.

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Speaker 7: Keep me saying, and yeah.

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Speaker 1: He got picked out.

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Speaker 4: The guy was screaming. I don't know if you guys heard.

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Speaker 1: That's unfortunate.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, he's like a lot of people here that

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are like big brothers to me. Love the support from Houston,

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repping Houston. Maybe we do it again, Tomaio, And now

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I'm next.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about the fit. I got, what went

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into it? What's the inspiration behind it?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 6: So I told the other interviewers early on before we started,

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this is I'm dope Flamingo from One Piece, which is

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One Piece of anime. I think it's the most profitable

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anime there is. And I was watching so he's like

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in one of the he was one of the arcs

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in one of the arcs are I'm very tired in

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one of the major arcs of One Piece where everything

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starts to happen. This is the main villain in that.

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And and I was watching all this during days like

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three to six on day breaks.

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Speaker 2: I just got very inspired. I felt the calling.

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Speaker 6: So I bought this uniform across student and I was

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just the biggest thing was hoping his fit right, and a.

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Speaker 1: Fit amazing, A fit amazing.

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Speaker 2: I can't complain.

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Speaker 6: So, yeah, and it's good TV.

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Speaker 2: It's good TV.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's definitely great TV.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: All right, last question here, So now you're second in

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Chip's heading forward to the second day. What's the mentality now?

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You know, before you're probably trying to ladder up a

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couple of spots, but now it's like, I got a

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shot to win this game.

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Speaker 2: Thing.

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Speaker 4: I was never trying the ladder, that's my answer.

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Speaker 1: You heard Hans ay they're tired, thirsty. Right before the interview,

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before I officially started asking him questions, He's like, is

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there a water around? There's no water around. I was like, no, man,

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it just looks like empty beers everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's the opposite of Greg Mueller who kept saying, man,

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drink so much water. I have to peel like every

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he So.

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Speaker 1: For people who don't know a little bit inside baseball here,

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but we were set up in media row. There's a

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curtain between us. Then there's a bunch of like the

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salon of VIP Lounge or the production area, et cetera.

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We're a good fifty to one hundred feet away from

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the table. We can't exactly see the table due to

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the curtains. But they didn't have official breaks due to

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the coverage, right, But they did have commercial breaks of

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course on ESPN two, and during those, let's say anywhere

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from two minutes to maybe five, six, seven minutes of

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a commercial break, the players would get up and run

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to the bathroom. And Mueller for sure was the most

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frequent bathroom goer by far. Oh yeah, Laurie Sascolotti always

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went swell those two. Han Fang, I would say it

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was a probably third. But other than that, I don't

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think I saw Lucas Jumlan one time. I'm pretty sure

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he probably didn't drink any water today. Mario Boose I

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didn't see him at all, you know. But but Mueller

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was back here a plenty, which was which was pretty crazy.

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Mueller seemed in good spirits overall with things. He was

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kind of all over the place, as I think we

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would expect coming into this final table.

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Speaker 2: His brother was here with his kids.

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Speaker 1: His brother was here with his kids. He had he

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had pretty sure the biggest rail. They were loud at times,

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not tallest, yes, for sure. Rick Talckett, former NHL player

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coach of the Philadelphia Flyers, called a kid.

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Speaker 2: Called him a kid.

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Speaker 1: It was such a hot It was the kids just

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out there doing it like it's such such a hockey thing.

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That was cool to see. I didn't see Sean Buchanan,

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but I didn't really walk out there.

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Speaker 2: Sean mcannon was probably covered under a hoodie like he

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always does. I know.

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Speaker 1: David Odie be bigger friend of the pod, always a listener.

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He was out there as well with his wife. They

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were in the FBT shirts. I gotta say, I'm not

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I'm not digging the Shadow hat. I know what it is.

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It's obviously for Shadow Creek, but it just treads a

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bit too much on Jerry Yang the Shadow.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's so funny.

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Speaker 1: Mueller's nickname is FBT, and I think if you tune in,

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you'll be like, oh, this guy is the Shadow. You

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start calling in the Shadow. Well he's not the Shadow.

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The fucking Shadow is Jerry Yang. Okay, that's just how

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it is. I'm sorry, Greg.

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Speaker 2: I thought maybe he like come out with like a

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hockey themed hat or something, but the shadow thing is

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just stuck. And he mentioned it on the podcast that

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I did with him, how Mad Glands and Natcho were

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calling him the Shadow, which obviously you can't change your

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nickname mid career, which is not allowed.

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Speaker 1: It's like a guy in his corner Bucky. People call

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Matthew Wantman Bucky, and I'm like, yeah.

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Speaker 2: But no, it's not Bucky. No, it's the same. Whenever

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someone has Bucky. I'm like, I didn't know Sean M.

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Cannon was here, and then he's I done. He read

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for some stats. Yeah, let's go. Okay. I ran some

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numbers using the old AI shadowed by by the Poconoos,

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doing hand for hand coverage. It's it's a it's a job.

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Someone has to do it, and I'm.

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Speaker 1: Happy to think I was. I was slamming refresh. I'm like,

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what hand are they on? What's going on? You know

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you have to It's it's God's work they're they're doing

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out there.

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Speaker 2: So okay, here we go. One and thirty one hands played.

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I believe that's correct. My talian perhaps ended a bit

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too soon because they were still playing by the time

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we were recording on the On the broadcast, let me

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just refresh real quick. Jumalan had thirty four preflub raises Geez,

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and second best was Jamie Shavell, who had eighteen preflub

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raises and Shavell was all in five times. Han Feng

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was all in seven times, So like goes to show

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that those guys were getting after it. If we look

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at the standings now, Shavell was not rewarded for his aggression.

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He's got thirteen bigs coming into the next day.

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Speaker 1: But one of those all ins he lost to Rami Hamoud. Yes,

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and he had the tens versus the acet Queen that

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left him pretty short and he had to fight from

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there but still alive.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, exactly, And that's whole that's the whole thing.

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It's all about survival. Greg Mueller went into that as well.

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I spoke to him at length. The first question, by

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the way, I'll tee this up. First question is is

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inside baseball And only if you listen to the podcast

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that I did with him will it all make sense.

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But Greg explains it a little bit. So tonight chicken

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in broccoli or ice cream?

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Speaker 4: You know what, there's no plan. I mean, we might

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end up at Johnny Rockets, which would have milkshake, which

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is like ice cream, will not be chicken and broccoli.

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But not because I'm tilted or anything. I'm just hungry.

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So whatever I'm craving, you know. I feel like I

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made one air. It's arguably hard to say it was

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an air. I played the hand poorly from start to finish.

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If I three bet, I win the hand. If I

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lead on the flop, I win the hand. If I

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check raise, I win the hand. If I bet the turn,

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I win the hand. The only way I don't win

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the hand is when I check fold the river, which

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I had full intentions of check calling. That was a

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big pot. It was a big turning point. I'd be

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at the time, like endless chips, a little irritated about that.

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Other than that, I'm very happy with my play. I

473
00:21:53,279 --> 00:21:55,160
didn't get too many cards, and I battle in there

474
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,039
so there would be no reason for me to go

475
00:21:57,079 --> 00:21:59,480
on to the ice cream. And I realize how blessed

476
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,039
I am see this rail, I mean incredible to see

477
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,880
incredible like these guys took time from their lives, flying

478
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:13,160
in from everywhere and relentless cheer support like positivity. I mean,

479
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,359
it's unbelievable.

480
00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 2: There's so many things that I can bring up here.

481
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,160
We could talk for an hour straight just about tonight

482
00:22:18,279 --> 00:22:22,160
because I saw so many, so many different things unfold

483
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,359
in front of my eyes. But I want to start

484
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:29,039
with the rail because the amount of noise, the amount

485
00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:31,519
of beverages that were being consumed, the amount of just

486
00:22:31,599 --> 00:22:34,960
overall cheer that was going on. Yeah, does that add

487
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,559
more pressure to perform because you don't want these guys

488
00:22:37,559 --> 00:22:40,240
to come here and girls for a ninth place finish.

489
00:22:40,559 --> 00:22:44,599
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, truthfully, there's a bit of pressure. I said,

490
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,000
you know, these I gotta, we gotta you know, I

491
00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:50,440
want to do it for them. So, but I mean

492
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,440
the amount they fired me up and they could see

493
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,319
maybe I was hunched over a little bit, you know,

494
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,640
st pepped me up, and when I did win a hand,

495
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:02,559
never stopping singing okay, you know, like in a classy,

496
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,759
positive way, going at it with the other rail like

497
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,359
it was. I mean, I'm a winner winner. It was

498
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:09,160
just based on that.

499
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,279
Speaker 2: You know, his name escases me of the code to

500
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,799
Philadelphia Flyers coach talk Rick talking. He was on the

501
00:23:15,799 --> 00:23:18,240
broadcast in the ESPN and he called you a kid.

502
00:23:19,519 --> 00:23:22,240
I thought that was the most purest hockey sort of

503
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,559
speeches or hockey speak, if you will, y, And I

504
00:23:25,599 --> 00:23:27,960
just love how it felt like, you know, I could

505
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,480
feel the camaraderie. I could feel sort of the spirit

506
00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:33,279
that you guys all sort of carrys as hockey players play.

507
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,960
Playing with the alumni, do you feel like you you

508
00:23:36,079 --> 00:23:37,920
have all their support and how what is it like

509
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,400
to have that sort of I guess you know hockey

510
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:40,920
spirit here.

511
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's that's what's so great about the

512
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,079
hockey community. You know, we're we're all the boys, and

513
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,160
it's a team game. Everybody's in it for each other,

514
00:23:50,319 --> 00:23:53,240
and you have fun. You juice each other, you make

515
00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:55,279
fun of each other, but it's all in good fun

516
00:23:55,319 --> 00:23:57,799
and you have each other's backs. And like I said,

517
00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:01,880
it's uh so fortunate just for this experience is some

518
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,799
I'll never forget ever, regardless of how much money I

519
00:24:04,839 --> 00:24:06,519
make or what place I finish. I mean, this is

520
00:24:06,599 --> 00:24:08,519
just a moment I'll cherish forever.

521
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 2: Important question about the hand that you are a little

522
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,640
frustrated with. What was it in the moment that didn't

523
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,920
allow you to make those better decisions?

524
00:24:18,839 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 4: Yeah? I don't. I just kept changing my game plan

525
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,400
throughout the hand, and you know, ultimately I got to

526
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,839
give him credit. He barreled very big, put his not

527
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,680
his tournament life because he had me cover. But if

528
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,319
I call that he is extremely crippled and I'm cruising,

529
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,039
and hey, he made a good play. He didn't have

530
00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:42,160
a better hand, and he won the plot. So I

531
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,839
don't want to take anything away from him. Just a

532
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,720
little frustrated myself because I feel like I had a

533
00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:49,000
beat on him and I had a plan and just

534
00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:50,880
kind of straight a bit from him.

535
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,599
Speaker 2: You know, final thing here? What sort of preparation or

536
00:24:56,039 --> 00:24:58,240
maybe contemplation is necessary for tomorrow?

537
00:24:58,839 --> 00:25:01,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I need a good sleep and I just got

538
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,039
to have a good, good, good energy and positive attitude

539
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:09,759
because you know, these things as you see change so fast.

540
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:15,200
Hand hit a three outer and now he's crushing, right,

541
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,440
it just goes so quick. He's not crushing it's numberin level,

542
00:25:18,519 --> 00:25:20,119
but he's crushing it. You know.

543
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:22,839
Speaker 2: That's right here.

544
00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean you just have to come back

545
00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:29,359
and not give up. Be positive. Hey, if somebody told

546
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,240
me you're going to be the shortest stack with seven

547
00:25:31,319 --> 00:25:34,680
left at the main event on the final table, Like,

548
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,920
where would I sign the dotted line? Like do you

549
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,160
know what I mean? So I can't I can't be negative.

550
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,839
I have to be positive, coming with a good attitude

551
00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:43,519
and ready to go. Hey, don't kill me.

552
00:25:43,519 --> 00:25:47,559
Speaker 1: Out down, but not out is Greg Mueller. And you

553
00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:49,960
guys heard him talk about it there, and we want

554
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,519
to get into this hand because it was one of

555
00:25:51,519 --> 00:25:55,799
the bigger, more interesting and also entertaining hands at the

556
00:25:55,799 --> 00:25:58,400
final table. It was the one where Greg had the

557
00:25:58,519 --> 00:26:03,000
King jack off from the blind against his finished counterpart

558
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,680
to Lourie Sascolotti, who opened queen Ate suited and then

559
00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:11,000
just barreled off on the King six four five six board,

560
00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:15,039
leading to a river fold from Muller, putting the best

561
00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:20,160
hand in the muck and allowing Sascolotti to chip up

562
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,759
quite nicely. But it also allowed Mueller to drop right back.

563
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:27,160
This was right after he was kind of surging right,

564
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,680
He was kind of started slipping early on just just

565
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,400
not not like losing any really big pods. It was

566
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:34,720
more like a couple of million here, a couple of

567
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:35,160
million there.

568
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 2: Whatever.

569
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: Then he starts running back up, back up, back up.

570
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,160
He's got eighty million. Then he plays this big hand.

571
00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:44,240
And honestly, when when we were watching it, I saw

572
00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:47,960
the open, I see him call, I see the flop

573
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,119
come out, and I say, okay, Mueller is about to

574
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,200
fucking have one hundred million, Like he's about to just

575
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:57,839
cause because Sascallotti's a very interesting cat, Like he's on

576
00:26:57,839 --> 00:27:02,480
one side of things, he he'll like opt to play conservative.

577
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,440
On the other side of things, he'll like just have

578
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,440
these moments. When I was like, you know what, fa yolo,

579
00:27:06,519 --> 00:27:08,640
let's go like I'm the Finnish guy who likes plo.

580
00:27:09,079 --> 00:27:11,880
Let's just bos the wall. So I was like, okay,

581
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,079
he might just like go nuts here. And when he

582
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,559
when Soascallotti bet the turn, I was like, oh, like

583
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:19,000
he's he's going for it. And then I was like, Midler,

584
00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:21,279
you just got to click call, I know, and the

585
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:26,319
blind check was like he baffling. Yeah, So on the

586
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,119
so Soascallott he bets the turn, and Mueller does two

587
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,000
things that I thought were very interesting. One he called

588
00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:36,759
within two seconds yep, and then he immediately checked dark.

589
00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:39,519
And I'm like, God, this is the ubas be made

590
00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:41,880
of that file table. Why are we snap calling?

591
00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:42,599
Speaker 2: I listen.

592
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: I know we don't want people to be tanking out there,

593
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,400
but the snap call check dark, I mean, that's Phil

594
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,400
help me, that's not Greg Mueller.

595
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 2: I mean what was that. I have no idea, and

596
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,319
I think Greg still doesn't know why he did that.

597
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,880
I think he was, you know, actively trying to still

598
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,480
figure it out as we were talking.

599
00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:01,599
Speaker 1: But I think it was I think it was him

600
00:28:01,759 --> 00:28:05,519
just like rushing. He was rushing at the time, and

601
00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:07,119
he was like whatever, I can just do no wrong,

602
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,319
like I'm just act act ac dak dak. And then

603
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,880
he got to the river and he was like, oh shit,

604
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,400
this guy just bet thirty five million, Like what the

605
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:14,119
heck's going on?

606
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if he if he calls Sasklott is really

607
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,240
short and he's got over one hundred million, and you know,

608
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:21,880
he's basically one of the top contenders. And now we're

609
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,440
looking at the board. Here twenty nine point five million,

610
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,640
twelve big bines from Mueller. You know, Han Feng was

611
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,799
down to five bigs. So you know, this doesn't say much,

612
00:28:31,319 --> 00:28:33,319
but you definitely sleep a lot better when you have

613
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,279
one hundred and six million, which is what Han Feng

614
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,920
now has going into day two. But Mueller still is

615
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,200
in there, he's still he's still fighting, he's still battling,

616
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:42,599
and he still has a chance. So that's that's obviously

617
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,079
good to see because he clearly had a ton of support.

618
00:28:57,799 --> 00:28:59,480
Before we move on to the next interview. I just

619
00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:02,839
wanted to point ot couple of small things Mike Madisow

620
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,240
and you know, Twitter of course is always great during

621
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,559
the WSP Man Event final table. You know, it has

622
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:09,119
been better in the past, and I feel like Twitter

623
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,359
of course has lost lost a lot of it shine

624
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:14,519
in recent years. I guess I wonder why Mike Madisaw

625
00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:16,799
tweeted out watching his main event final table is so

626
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:21,359
brutal to watch. And that was quote tweeted by Sam Greenwood,

627
00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:25,359
who is always negative about people's plays, which he loves

628
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,559
to call out in his I believe is the substack

629
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,640
that he has. And Sam Greenwood said, punt of the day,

630
00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:33,759
punted the day exactly. Greenwood said, and I quote all

631
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:35,640
I do is criticize the play of the people at

632
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,799
Big FT's and the WSP. And this has been an

633
00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:41,920
extremely enjoyable FT thus far. Pace, the play has been fine,

634
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,920
quality of poker has been good, and no one is

635
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,279
playing scared. So that's the Greenwood perspective. And then terms Chan,

636
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,279
who is just you know, tweeting. He's not responding to

637
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:55,480
this at all. Teran Chan tweets LoJack opens cut off

638
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,160
folds a seven suited small one Folds seven's Baby on

639
00:29:58,279 --> 00:30:01,160
Folds King King nine off. I assume they're all correct, But

640
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,960
how do you guys watch this stuff? Obviously you know?

641
00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:06,279
Indicating that, I mean that goes back to what I

642
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:08,279
was saying earlier. You have the two camps. Yeah, but

643
00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:10,720
like two things can be true. Greenwood is enjoying this

644
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:13,400
from like almost like you know, an artistic perspective, like

645
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,799
the art of poker and all the method is involved

646
00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:18,960
in it. And TAM's chan you know who is not

647
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:22,400
watching it for that type of enjoyment. He's watching it

648
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,640
to be entertained. Is not getting it getting that out

649
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,240
of this final table. And I think that really speaks

650
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:31,839
to the two different ways the game is being viewed.

651
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I I would would say that it's it's

652
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,920
similar to viewing soccer. A casual person who's going to

653
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,319
sit down and watch a ninety minute match is going

654
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,119
to sit there and bitch and complain and say, what

655
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,119
the hell is this? So no one's scoring, they're not

656
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,960
even taking shots, what's going on? Whereas I mean, you

657
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,240
and I love soccer, right and we might say, like

658
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:53,920
this is awesome, look at the flow. It's it's for

659
00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:56,519
using a word you just use It's very artistic out there,

660
00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:59,640
you know, whereas somebody on the more casual side of

661
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,160
thing that just wants the highlight reel, they're gonna do

662
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,480
just that, watch the highlight reel. And this is why

663
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,000
poker from an entertainment perspective not to go too far

664
00:31:08,079 --> 00:31:12,599
down this path. But like poker on ESPN itself, just

665
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:15,119
using that as an example, because that's where this is

666
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,960
being aired, is almost best served as an edited episode

667
00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:22,680
because the casuals will just tune in. You can put

668
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,720
banger after banger after banger of hands and you can

669
00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:28,000
just cram it into an hour or two hours. Boom,

670
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,200
that's it. That's your highlight reel. Right. But then you know,

671
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:32,720
as you and I know, I mean, we work for

672
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,880
Poker Girl, we're live streaming all the time. Like it's

673
00:31:35,319 --> 00:31:38,519
unless you are really into it, it's hard to watch

674
00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:41,599
live poker. It's just it's hard to do. And like

675
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,200
Terrence Chance said, like I'm assuming all this stuff is correct,

676
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,119
and it is likely correct, but you as a viewer

677
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,720
at home, like you want the guy to just pile

678
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:50,839
the A seven suited, like you want to just go

679
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,759
all and go nuts, like you want Greg to click

680
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:55,039
call there with the King Jack like, you want all

681
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:59,920
this stuff to happen, but it's hard. I always, you know,

682
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:02,039
we always commonly mentioned. One thing that I think it

683
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:03,960
was Nick Petrangelo told you is that these guys are

684
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,440
trying to figure out a math exam. Yeah, at the

685
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,559
Final Table, that's what they're trying to do. What is

686
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:10,759
the best decision that makes me the most money in

687
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:13,599
the long run. And that is not necessarily exciting.

688
00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: It is not.

689
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's just not. But that's why it's tricky

690
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,160
because then you stick something live like this on TV.

691
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,039
So a person who just wants to watch fireworks, they're

692
00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:25,359
not going to get all the fireworks.

693
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 2: And that's why I was going to close out what

694
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:30,519
I was trying to say by saying that the worst

695
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,799
kind of review you can get for your product in

696
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,160
this specific scenario is when Sam Greenwood loves it. That

697
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,799
is the worst review you can get because the punt

698
00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:44,279
of the day, which is something that he writes, that

699
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:46,920
is what you want. You want the first hand of

700
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,319
the Final Table to be the punt of the day.

701
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,880
And then people who are casually watching at home, sitting

702
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:56,359
on their couch in Kentucky or somewhere in Iowa are

703
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,839
watching this and like, oh my god, ah Jack versus

704
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,839
King ten offsuit, this is super entertaining. And to your point,

705
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:06,680
I think that from a mainstream, mainstream perspective, having poker

706
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,240
on ESPN is phenomenal. Like it it's exciting for me

707
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,839
to see, you know, chips and cards on the table,

708
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,440
seeing Jeff Platt, hearing the voices of Nick and Ali

709
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,440
by the way, who are phenomenal tonight again as always

710
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:23,480
Jason Kuhn too. Will get to him in a minute.

711
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,799
But I do think that the game of poker itself

712
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:33,880
is best served in a compacted format. Same let's it's

713
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,400
who you're serving it too. But like I'm saying, for

714
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:37,680
that audience.

715
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,759
Speaker 1: Like on ESPN, I think edited stuff is probably the best, right.

716
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,240
And then if the diehards like you and I and

717
00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:46,839
Sam Green I said, I want to seek out more

718
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:50,720
than that, then you go to a full livestream product, right,

719
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,480
And that's where it gets tricky because then it you know,

720
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:57,039
then obviously I mean again not to get too far

721
00:33:57,079 --> 00:33:58,880
down this path, which we already are way too far

722
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,680
down this path. But then it's like it's like resources

723
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,680
and editing time and where do you put it where

724
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,279
and at what time do you put it out there?

725
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:07,079
And if you do something live but then wait for

726
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,119
edited episodes, are you spoiling the result? And like it's

727
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:12,800
that whole thing, right, So I don't really know what

728
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,239
the best answer is necessarily, right, I like, I guess

729
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,599
in a perfect world, you would have two broadcasts running

730
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:21,599
at the same time. One is live and one is

731
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:25,360
somehow a live but edited episode. Like I don't even

732
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,440
know if that's possible, but maybe that's just where my

733
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,079
mind goes. But it is tricky.

734
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 2: It is. It is definitely fun to go on Twitter

735
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,679
and to search for WSP and see what people are

736
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,320
saying who are not living the poker life every single day.

737
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,000
And I think that because Twitter has not been as

738
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:44,920
popular of a platform as it was in the past,

739
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:48,519
we're not getting a lot of those opinions. I have

740
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:50,960
a feeling, and maybe I'm wrong, but I have a

741
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,960
feeling that probably five, six, seven years ago, Twitter was

742
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,840
a place where the everyman will sort of just say

743
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,519
random things like, oh, I'm having a same which, oh

744
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:03,159
I'm watching poker on TV. And I feel like that

745
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,159
sort of part of Twitter has sort of died out

746
00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:07,800
as we are no longer in this sort of oversharing

747
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:11,719
state of the world, and it's more, I guess, boiled

748
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:17,119
down to people following. People are following, the influencers are

749
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:18,960
following the people that they want to follow because they

750
00:35:19,039 --> 00:35:23,039
live interesting lives. They're no longer broadcasting themselves as much,

751
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:25,960
so we're not able to see that in the same way.

752
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,320
But still I saw a few tweets from casual fans,

753
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,400
which always warms my heart because you know, this will

754
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,480
reach some people who will you know, perhaps for sure,

755
00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:38,440
perhaps bring an old home game back to life, or

756
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,199
maybe you know, find a way to play online poker,

757
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,079
and that's obviously all ultimately the goal with this.

758
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's you know, I agree with you

759
00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:50,119
in terms of like just just seeing people post about

760
00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:52,480
it on social media, whether it is positive or negative,

761
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,559
I still think is a good thing because it's being

762
00:35:54,599 --> 00:35:58,000
talked about. Whereas those people if this wasn't on ESPN

763
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,440
or you know, if it wasn't anywhere else are available

764
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,760
out there, then people aren't seeing it and they're not

765
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,840
talking about it, So you know, at least it is

766
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,000
being talked about it, and I think that's good overall.

767
00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:11,280
I think it was the very positive show. I was

768
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,079
a big fan of it, and I would say that,

769
00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:14,559
you know, I think you. I think a lot of

770
00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:18,159
the listeners out there for this podcast were definitely into it, right,

771
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:21,119
I fully understand like where someone like a Terrence Chan

772
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:26,000
is coming from, or Mike Madisow is coming from, and

773
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:29,800
just Mike Madison, Like the problem that I have with

774
00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:34,599
opinions like that are he's just like yelling to yell,

775
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,599
like he's not offering any sort of suggestions or ideas

776
00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:41,239
to improve it. He's just like this is horrible. Like

777
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,960
can you just like be like, hey, this should be

778
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,239
better because X y Z, like that would be a

779
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,800
better way to do it. You know, I don't know. Anyway,

780
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,119
We're all over the place.

781
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,199
Speaker 2: I think we do. We still have Gagliano.

782
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,679
Speaker 1: Cute, we do still have Gagliano ready to go. He's

783
00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:00,599
one of the final seven players remaining. Gagliano came in

784
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:03,920
with forty four million or so something like that, finished

785
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,440
with forty two million. Like he just coming in. He

786
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:09,719
punched the clock for the nine to five. He went

787
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,000
to work. He was he was kind of up a

788
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:14,119
little bit early and you were like, oh, here comes

789
00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:16,679
Gags was second for second and and then he kind

790
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,920
of which second in chips. That was a spot where

791
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,679
so Lucas Jumalan never lost the top spot, even though

792
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:24,119
he did slide a little bit at some point from

793
00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:27,360
his peak, he never lost the top spot. Second place, though,

794
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,880
was a revolving door you had. I think did Greg

795
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,400
Muller get up to the second place at one point?

796
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,639
I can't remember. I think he was started there. Maybe

797
00:37:36,679 --> 00:37:41,239
Greg Mueller, Lori Sascelotti for sure. Michael Gagliano, Yes, it

798
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,639
ends up with Han Feng up there as well. So

799
00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:46,239
like all these players had a chance at second place,

800
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,719
and it was like, oh and all all that was

801
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,880
happening while the Jumalan slide was happening, So it was like, oh,

802
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:54,519
is somebody going to really get the heat and catch

803
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:58,639
up to Jumalan. One of those players was Gagliano. Played

804
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:06,079
I think as expected in that it was just very

805
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:12,360
very technically sound, you know, not probably the most above

806
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,000
the rim high level poker stuff, but in terms of

807
00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:19,639
like just playing your best game from start to finish

808
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,719
across all the hands that were played. He was just

809
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,000
consistent across the board, and that's what you get from

810
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:27,079
Michael Gagilian. He's been in the game forever, He's played

811
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:29,920
a bazillion hands, he's a coach, he plays online, he

812
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,599
plays live, all that sort of stuff. So yeah, I

813
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:34,119
mean there was the one big hand where he three

814
00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:36,719
bet with the ace king against Jumalan's open. When Jumalan

815
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,519
had the ace Queen, Jumalan calls it comes Queen Queen

816
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,039
X So Jumalan flops, trips, and Gagliano just loses the

817
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:48,320
sea bet ultimately folds to the check raise from Jumalan,

818
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,119
And yeah, he lost that pop. But it's like he

819
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:53,360
doesn't get married to hands, he doesn't get caught in

820
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,079
big situations. So yeah, maybe he didn't finish on the

821
00:38:57,159 --> 00:39:00,719
high that he once was, but a very good overall

822
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,880
for Gagliano. And you know, I don't think he's somebody

823
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,039
who I think he's both unassuming but also wouldn't be

824
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:09,239
a surprise if he ultimately goes on to win. And

825
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:15,679
here is Remco talking to Gagliano after play Day one ended.

826
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 2: What a roller coaster it has been watching on the sidelines.

827
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:19,880
How would you describe today?

828
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 8: First off, that was day nine. I am very happy

829
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,239
to have a Day ten coming up because you don't

830
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:25,840
get many.

831
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 4: Double digit days in poker.

832
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 8: You know, I'm a little tired. It was a longer

833
00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:34,119
day than kind of anticipated. But it wasn't like this

834
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,719
was in the books. This could have happened, you know,

835
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,920
shipstacks were lined up in a way where if the

836
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,280
all in stack won a bunch of all in you

837
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,880
could have played for a while. So that happened, and

838
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:45,519
we played for a while. I kind of had a

839
00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:47,920
pretty good start, kind of ran it up a little bit,

840
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,280
and then kind of just had a few knock on

841
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,760
our way. I think I just kind of got made

842
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,519
the second best hand a few times and got away

843
00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:57,679
from it what I did, which was fortunate, And I'll

844
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,800
just see what happened tomorrow, you know, kind of same thing.

845
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,760
I'm little on the short side, but just in that

846
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,079
zone where I'm gonna just kind of have my game and.

847
00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 7: See what happens.

848
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:08,039
Speaker 2: How different if it was different? Does this feel to

849
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:10,800
your your other final tables that you played in your career?

850
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,559
Speaker 8: I mean every final table is different feel to it,

851
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:15,440
you know, just the group of guys and uh.

852
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 2: Just the atmosphere.

853
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,079
Speaker 8: Obviously, the atmosphere is ridiculous.

854
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:20,679
Speaker 4: Here a lot of.

855
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 8: Loud, energetic rails, which has been a lot of fun.

856
00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 7: I wear Earbucks for most of the day because I

857
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:25,840
don't like a.

858
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 8: Lot of loud noises and just a little easier.

859
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 4: To lock in.

860
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,559
Speaker 8: Kind of a shame that it's about, because I really

861
00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:33,440
like talking with this corooper guys. We had a lot

862
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,360
of fun you know, leading up to the funnel table

863
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:35,840
and stuff.

864
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 7: So we'll see what that holds for the you know,

865
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:40,039
the next day.

866
00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:42,519
Speaker 4: And uh, a lot of fun though. The roads were great,

867
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,280
you know, a lot of back and forth. The O

868
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:45,599
Canada was amazing, you know.

869
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,199
Speaker 7: So, uh, you have to say, final.

870
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,039
Speaker 2: Question, how has the support been for you? Obviously there

871
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:52,880
is a few moments every now and then to talk

872
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,639
to the rail even just from a mental perspective, to

873
00:40:55,679 --> 00:40:58,360
like sort of break the ice literally almost to have

874
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,000
sort of someone to get some feedback from.

875
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's been amazing. I have family here, friends here,

876
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:04,920
a bunch of hooker players I don't get to see

877
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,400
too much, which is nice. The support online has been unbelievable.

878
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,840
The amount of messages I got in the last few days,

879
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,719
just pushing me a walk and tell me how you know,

880
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:13,480
everyone's proud of me.

881
00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: Regardless.

882
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,679
Speaker 7: A result has been just just unbelievable.

883
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:19,559
Speaker 8: I haven't had my phone all day, so I'm I'm

884
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:23,119
sure I have some messages and Twitter, you know, acts

885
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:26,239
and stuff, so I'll check it out later. But it's unbelievable.

886
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,639
It's been a lot of fun. They got some great

887
00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:29,639
hats and shirts and I can't wait to, you know,

888
00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:30,199
bring those home.

889
00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 4: It'll be a lot of fun.

890
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: That was Michael gaglian I felt like he was almost

891
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,880
in a rush to get out. I mean in a

892
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,360
way like he was done.

893
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 2: He was being open about the fact that he was tired.

894
00:41:41,199 --> 00:41:41,519
Speaker 5: Uh.

895
00:41:41,559 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 2: He said he thought it was went longer than he expected.

896
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,400
And and this this is something I've said before. The

897
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,920
players who are the most well studied also get the

898
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,039
most fatigued because there's constant thoughts running through their mind

899
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,079
on every single decision. And for players who are more recreational,

900
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,599
they just play the hand that's dealt and then deal

901
00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:10,280
with the circumstances and they aren't necessarily being I guess

902
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:16,519
zapped from an energy perspective because of how much is

903
00:42:16,559 --> 00:42:18,800
at stake or how big this decisions are. And I

904
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,480
think Gagliano, of all the players, is probably feeling that

905
00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:23,480
the most.

906
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree, you know, he's I think he's

907
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,199
one hundred percent locked in at all times. And then

908
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,360
to your point that that ends up being pretty mentally taxing,

909
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,519
and also to his point about it going longer than expected,

910
00:42:36,039 --> 00:42:38,400
I do think everyone expected this thing to be done

911
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,280
in for day one, it'd be done in two and

912
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,719
a half to three and a half hours in that window,

913
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,599
it ended up going what five or six hours, so

914
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,960
it went went very long. And then it's not only

915
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,679
that the full length of the time is long, but

916
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,599
everything is just drawn out. Like you play like three hands,

917
00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:01,800
there's a commercial break, you come back, you play three

918
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,079
more hands, and every hand takes you know, five ten minutes.

919
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 2: It's just long.

920
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 1: It's drawn out. Then you come back from the break,

921
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,480
but you're still kind of standing around because they're waiting

922
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:13,519
for the commercial wrap up. Then it's boom, you're back

923
00:43:13,559 --> 00:43:15,360
in your seat. So like there's just a lot of

924
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,039
stuff going on. So it's just everything is just drawn

925
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:20,760
out and you're almost sitting there like, oh man, is

926
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,880
this day gonna end? You know, is this day gonna end?

927
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,679
Plus I think that part of maybe feeling drained is

928
00:43:28,519 --> 00:43:33,119
if the play itself had a bit more really really

929
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:36,679
big climactic moments, really really big all ins. We had

930
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,119
a few of them, but not a ton of them.

931
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:40,280
Let's say you a dozen instead of like the four

932
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,440
or five that we had. Then everyone's adrenaline's pumping a

933
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,199
little bit more. It's easier to get through the day

934
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:47,719
versus if you're just sitting there and like everyone's kind

935
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,599
of folding a lot, then you're kind of just like

936
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,280
this is boring, and when you're bored, you can kind

937
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,239
of doze off, But then you're fighting with your your

938
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,880
brain to like stay focused, so that I feel like

939
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:02,199
that plays into it too. So yeah, I mean it's

940
00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:04,559
a big it's a big mind fuck out there, honestly,

941
00:44:04,679 --> 00:44:07,960
and sometimes not just in this poker tournament, but this

942
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,679
is the one that where things are generally emphasized the most.

943
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,599
But the player who wins might be the one who

944
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,199
is maybe able to just maintain focus for the longest time.

945
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also the and not blow up, the player

946
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,679
who can let all the side show, all the noise,

947
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,360
all the all the past decisions sort of slide slide

948
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,800
or glide off of their shoulders the most easily, Like

949
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,719
you cannot allow yourself, you know, in like a Mueller's case,

950
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:39,400
to get stuck in thinking back of the hand where

951
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,199
things didn't go your way. And obviously, like Greg's a professional,

952
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,920
he's been doing this for a very long time, but

953
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,079
it's very possible that he goes to sleep tonight still

954
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:50,519
thinking about that hand because of what could have been.

955
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,960
So the player who's able to, you know, shut off

956
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,079
the brain in the moments that it can can be

957
00:44:56,119 --> 00:44:58,760
shut off, those are the players who will have the

958
00:44:58,760 --> 00:44:59,920
most success long term.

959
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's that's a great point by you.

960
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,599
And it's such a big thing is if you're able

961
00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:08,679
to just once a hand is played and done, whether

962
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,639
you win it or you lose it, it's done. It's

963
00:45:11,639 --> 00:45:13,920
in the past. And I know Pad's was on the rail,

964
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:16,480
you know, in the Lucas Jumlan corner, Patrick Leonard, and

965
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:19,480
he's always talked about this. The only thing that matters

966
00:45:20,119 --> 00:45:22,760
is the next hand, how many big blinds you have,

967
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,000
your position at the table, and trying to play that

968
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:27,679
hand the best, like that's all you can focus on.

969
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,719
And and I just don't know if Greg Mueller is

970
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,639
that type of player or if he's gonna let this

971
00:45:33,679 --> 00:45:37,039
one stew on him right. I'm sure his camp namely

972
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:39,800
Sean Buchanan. It is just like, be like, forget about it.

973
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,360
Forget about it, man, forget about it. And he might

974
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,119
be saying like, man, if I just if I just

975
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:45,280
called there, if I just three bat pre if I

976
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,400
just check raise the flop, you know, if I if

977
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,000
I do anything different in that hand, I probably win

978
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:53,840
that hand, right yeap. And it's it's hard to forget

979
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,800
about that stuff in the moment, but you have to

980
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,679
forget about it. And I will say that, while I

981
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,400
don't know how Greg will, I will say that he's

982
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,639
been in the game a long time and going back

983
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:05,840
to a lot of stuff that he said on the

984
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,920
podcast with You to Face the Ace podcast, it's like

985
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,639
he understands that, like there's gonna be highs, there's gonna

986
00:46:10,639 --> 00:46:12,760
be lows, and you do have to just forget about

987
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,239
it and move on. So and we're gonna see, you know,

988
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:19,519
come come tomorrow, come Tuesday, when everyone is listening to this,

989
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:22,199
how how he reacts from that all, and we'll see

990
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:24,440
if he can spin it up. He's got what's gonna

991
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,039
be just under ten big blinds, because the blinds are

992
00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:29,079
going to go up to one point five to three million,

993
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,559
so he'll have just Shy have ten big blinds to

994
00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:36,119
start the day. Jamie Shavel will have eleven big Linds

995
00:46:36,199 --> 00:46:39,559
right ahead of him. So it's there are two fewer

996
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:42,639
players than there were when they're started on the final table,

997
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,960
but it's kind of a very similar situation. You have

998
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,079
a very big chip leader, you have a guy who's

999
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:49,079
comfortably in second, and then you have two guys who

1000
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:51,639
are very short and kind of probably gonna try and

1001
00:46:51,679 --> 00:46:54,320
wait each other out, and then you have these middling stacks.

1002
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:57,119
So even though two fewer players, it does set up

1003
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,960
very similar to how it's set up coming into Monday,

1004
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,239
which is interesting.

1005
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:16,519
Speaker 2: So we'll see how it goes. Donnie, I got to

1006
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:18,840
ask you for prediction. Is they two also going to

1007
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:19,480
be a slow day?

1008
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:25,079
Speaker 1: I think it starts slow, but I think in this

1009
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,360
case where what we didn't see today is we saw

1010
00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:31,280
the bust out from Eva Gorus Evil Goru, and that

1011
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,360
didn't really open the floodgates, right, It just kept pretty

1012
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,880
much par for the course, pretty much a grind throughout.

1013
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:40,239
I think if let's say Muler for example, finds a

1014
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,480
hand earlier, he goes that he gets picked off, he's out.

1015
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,800
I think we open the floodgates, right. I think part

1016
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:49,840
of that is because people will have locked up what

1017
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,679
is it, one point seventy five million at that point,

1018
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:57,400
So it's it's a bit more definitely coming into today.

1019
00:47:57,559 --> 00:47:59,599
Nobody wants to be the first player to go home.

1020
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:01,679
Who does doesn't get any extra money, right, that's a

1021
00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:04,760
big thing. Right, But now it's like, okay, I made

1022
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,400
an extra seven hundred and fifty k, Like, let's go.

1023
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:09,320
We started gotta start getting after it. We got to

1024
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,559
start trying to put ourselves in position to win. Another

1025
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:15,480
factor in this is and he said it in the interview,

1026
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,199
Han Feng said he was never coming in just the

1027
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:23,559
ladder up, but he was handcuffed by his chip stack.

1028
00:48:23,679 --> 00:48:25,519
Right now, he's gonna knock it. He's in second place,

1029
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:28,039
like he might just be like, you know what, fit,

1030
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:30,000
I'm gonna try and go for the damn thing. I'm

1031
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,400
gonna try and finish day two of the final table

1032
00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:35,480
to really put myself in position to win ten million

1033
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,159
dollars on the third and final day, which means at

1034
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:42,880
times that could mean challenging Lucas Jumlan and another player,

1035
00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:45,920
Laurie Sasclatti. That guy didn't give a shit in a

1036
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:46,480
lot of spots.

1037
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:48,079
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was great to see.

1038
00:48:48,119 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: He was like, listen, I'm the Finn here and I'm

1039
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,239
gonna play like well he even.

1040
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,639
Speaker 2: Said like he prefers po Yeah, of course at first

1041
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,760
he's from Finland. That's why this is probably boring to him.

1042
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:00,679
Speaker 1: So those three being the top three stacks, I feel

1043
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:03,159
like it could be a lot of fun on this

1044
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:04,079
second day of play.

1045
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,119
Speaker 2: We'll see how it goes. Looking forward to it, what

1046
00:49:06,159 --> 00:49:06,840
do you what do you you.

1047
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: Got a prediction here or how things will play out?

1048
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,079
Speaker 2: I mean looking at the board right now. The Jumalan

1049
00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:16,639
Fang Sasclott three handed battle, if that's what we end

1050
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,239
up with, would be phenomenal, Like those three guys all

1051
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,920
have what it takes to make that a very entertaining battle.

1052
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:27,079
And then at the same time, I like the mechanical

1053
00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:31,559
tactical play of Gagliano. I love Rami Hamoud with his

1054
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:33,039
Canadian rail and.

1055
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: The and the he had the fossil Man sunglasses Greg

1056
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,960
Ramer because he knocked out Greg Grahmer. Greg Grahmer gave

1057
00:49:38,039 --> 00:49:40,719
him the fossil gave him the glasses, the snake eyes glasses.

1058
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:41,400
He had both of.

1059
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: Them on the table. Was so crazy, Yeah, brilliant. And

1060
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,199
then they also made reference to it in the broadcast,

1061
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,679
which is awesome. And then a Shavel you know, had

1062
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,199
the big ups and downs, he was all in multiple times,

1063
00:49:53,639 --> 00:49:55,559
won a big one, lost the big one, and then

1064
00:49:55,559 --> 00:49:59,119
there's Mueller at the bottom of the counts. Really, you know,

1065
00:49:59,199 --> 00:50:01,079
this is one of those things that has happened so

1066
00:50:01,079 --> 00:50:03,159
many times where you come into a final table and

1067
00:50:03,199 --> 00:50:05,920
you're you're thinking to yourself, like, you know, I don't

1068
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,719
I don't know these people. I have no connection with

1069
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,559
these people. And then as you watch the episodes you know,

1070
00:50:10,599 --> 00:50:13,679
which we're now airing on ESPN, as you learn some

1071
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,280
more about them, and then as you watch them play

1072
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,800
for a whole day today and then obviously again tomorrow,

1073
00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:23,039
you're you're you're slowly but surely finding reasons why you

1074
00:50:23,079 --> 00:50:25,719
can buy into the story of each and every one

1075
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,559
of these players. There's something that that all of them

1076
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:30,079
have going for them, and you know, some of the

1077
00:50:30,119 --> 00:50:32,760
stories might be a little harder to do uncover, or

1078
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,280
perhaps you know the story doesn't run as deep, but

1079
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:36,960
I can I can sort of find a way for

1080
00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:38,800
myself to root for all of these players, which is

1081
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,800
really cool to see. Lots of positive energy, no negativity,

1082
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,760
you know, no conflict. It's just been really really good

1083
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,119
to see. And then Donnie, I think all that's left

1084
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:51,480
for us is to do a hard pivot into the

1085
00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:53,679
Manda myth, the legend, Jason Kuhn.

1086
00:50:54,039 --> 00:50:57,639
Speaker 1: The legend he is. So as part of the festivities

1087
00:50:57,679 --> 00:51:00,440
for this first day of the WSP Main Event Final Table,

1088
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,760
they did announce the Hall of Fame inductees or inductee

1089
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,400
I should say, because it was just a single player

1090
00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:10,599
for the twenty twenty six class, and that was, of

1091
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:17,400
course Jason Kuhn, the Legend, the icon. I mean, I know,

1092
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,800
we throw around the world Goat all the time. He

1093
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,480
very much might be the actual goat, like he is

1094
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:26,079
that good of a player. He's won two bracelets on

1095
00:51:26,119 --> 00:51:29,519
his resume, countless Triton titles, bunch of PGT tos. He

1096
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:32,159
won the PGT Championship a bunch of years ago when

1097
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:34,519
it was winner take all for that five hundred K prize.

1098
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:38,760
Of course, his casket cash game resume speaks for itself.

1099
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,559
He plays insanely high stakes throughout his career up to

1100
00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:45,880
numbers that are like, you know, here's a small house,

1101
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,920
here's a big house in the small blind, the big blind.

1102
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:50,920
That's where bettan in this one. He's done it online,

1103
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,559
he's done it live, you know, all that sort of stuff.

1104
00:51:53,559 --> 00:51:56,800
I really I can't think of, Like, if you were

1105
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,000
to make a yeah butt for Jason Kuhn, I don't

1106
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,039
really know what it would be. Maybe it's like, well, yeah,

1107
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:03,079
but he doesn't play mixed games, but it's like, Okay,

1108
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,960
I don't really care because everything that he does in

1109
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,800
the big bet space so far outweighs anything anyone else

1110
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,400
has done in a lot of spaces that it just

1111
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,760
doesn't matter. He really is a true one of one

1112
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,559
in the industry. Also honestly one of the fucking nicest

1113
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:20,480
guys in the universe. Yes, just for as big as

1114
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:23,960
he is as a poker player, as successful as he is,

1115
00:52:24,519 --> 00:52:26,920
likely as rich as he is all this sort of stuff,

1116
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,679
he is just a down to earth dude who will

1117
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,039
just come in and just shoot the shit with you,

1118
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,960
ask you how you're doing, talk about your kids with you,

1119
00:52:35,079 --> 00:52:37,760
all that sort of stuff. Just a great person and

1120
00:52:38,039 --> 00:52:39,840
it's an honor to see him go into the Hall

1121
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,039
of Fame. He was the only player inducted, which I'm

1122
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:45,960
sure there will be plenty to talk about with that.

1123
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:47,960
I saw some stuff on social media.

1124
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:49,639
Speaker 2: Well, they fix the voting to get more people in.

1125
00:52:50,039 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: They fix the voting where it could allow for more

1126
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:53,960
people to go in, and then you have just one

1127
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,199
player go in. So now it's gonna be a whole thing.

1128
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,559
And this is the year when it's like, Okay, the

1129
00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:00,800
backlog is here, is deep to get in? Is sever

1130
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,079
going to get in? Is east I Sheinberg going to

1131
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:04,800
get in? Like what's going to happen?

1132
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,119
Speaker 2: But by the way, I want to just point this out,

1133
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,440
Diane and I have been been super I guess I

1134
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,519
don't want to say against the Hall of Fame. We've

1135
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:15,000
been super unhappy with the way the Hall of Fame

1136
00:53:15,039 --> 00:53:18,159
has been operating in the past. And I was really

1137
00:53:18,199 --> 00:53:21,280
excited for this change. And of course you cannot you

1138
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:26,360
could not steer the voting public, which are the Hall

1139
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,800
of Fame members, into a way for them to like

1140
00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:32,079
hash out how can we get multiple people inducted? That's

1141
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:34,519
just not how this works. But I was excited to

1142
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:35,719
have multiple people inducted.

1143
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:38,159
Speaker 1: Now I thought we were going to get two. I

1144
00:53:38,159 --> 00:53:40,039
thought it was just gonna be there would have been two.

1145
00:53:40,119 --> 00:53:42,679
Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be Coon and Deep.

1146
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 1: Okay, I thought it was probably gonna be Coon and sever. Yeah,

1147
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,599
that was my third and then maybe Deep next year.

1148
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:51,519
But you know either way.

1149
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 2: But the one thing I wanted to emphasize here is

1150
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:58,440
that this sort of quote unquote problem of having this

1151
00:53:58,519 --> 00:54:02,519
backlog is only going to get worse every single year.

1152
00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:05,280
Mike Madisow is never getting into the Hall of Fame.

1153
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:07,960
If you don't get in on your first ballot, it

1154
00:54:08,039 --> 00:54:09,960
is almost a guarantee that you're not going to get

1155
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,519
in because more and more guys are going to turn

1156
00:54:12,599 --> 00:54:16,159
forty that have these insane resumes. Chidwick is not forty yet.

1157
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,239
Brin Kenny is not forty yet. Jason Kuhn inducted into

1158
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,679
the Poker Hall of Fame as the third player on

1159
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,639
the all time money list right now. So anyone who

1160
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,119
is younger than Kuhn and who is in the top

1161
00:54:27,159 --> 00:54:31,000
fifty whenever they become eligible, unless you know they're like

1162
00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:33,440
a one off, are going to probably have a good

1163
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,039
case to get into the Poker Hall of Fame because

1164
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:36,920
guess what if you can be this high up in

1165
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,320
the ALTI Money List rankings right now, in the current

1166
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,559
state of the game, then the case for you to

1167
00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:44,000
be the Hall of Fame is going to be incredible.

1168
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,639
So let me just go through some of these names.

1169
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,480
And this is sort of hard to hear, perhaps if

1170
00:54:48,519 --> 00:54:50,760
you are nominated right now, or if you have been

1171
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,000
in the past and you haven't gotten in yet, and

1172
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,039
this is these are names that you know may or

1173
00:54:56,119 --> 00:54:58,000
may not get in the future. But I think you

1174
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,000
can make the case for all of these guys. Adrian Matat,

1175
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,960
Isaac Haxton, Dan Smith, Alex Foxen, David Peters, Faeder Holtz,

1176
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:10,039
Steve O'Dwyer, Christoph Vogel saying, I mean this is where

1177
00:55:10,039 --> 00:55:11,400
I'm still in the top twenty of the AULL Time

1178
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,960
Money List, Nick Petreangelo, Sean Winter Like, all these guys

1179
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,079
have stood in the test of time. All these guys

1180
00:55:18,639 --> 00:55:21,360
have over forty million in career earnings. All these guys

1181
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:23,840
have plenty of arguments for them to be in the

1182
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,440
Hall of Fame. And none of these guys are forty yet.

1183
00:55:26,639 --> 00:55:29,199
So it is insane to think that in the next

1184
00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:32,880
five years all of them are turning forty and none

1185
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:37,599
of them have a spot locked up because of how

1186
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,320
crazy the backlog is, because you know, there's a good

1187
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,079
chance that sever is the only one to get in

1188
00:55:42,159 --> 00:55:46,199
next year, for example, because he was closest to getting

1189
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,000
enough votes this year, and now Kuhn gets added. And

1190
00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:53,039
I mean Kuhn even in his conversation with me, talked

1191
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:56,480
about how much he respected Sever. So it's very possible

1192
00:55:56,519 --> 00:55:59,239
that next year Sever's turned. With every passing year the

1193
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,320
only one player it's in the backlog gets worse and

1194
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,239
there are going to be a lot of players who

1195
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:05,599
are going to miss out on being part of the

1196
00:56:05,639 --> 00:56:07,159
Hall of Fame, even though they're very deserving.

1197
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I can't disagree. You know, I think

1198
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,800
you put it very well there. I would guess that

1199
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,400
just seeing some of this initial pushback here from some

1200
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,519
of the people out there who wanted more than one

1201
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:21,320
people and made the arguments for other people. In addition

1202
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,480
to kuon getting in, I think there's no pushback on

1203
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,800
Jason getting in everyone. I think like he was number

1204
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,480
one on their list, right, but it was like, these

1205
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,039
other players are deserving, so they should also be in

1206
00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:36,320
there as well. And I'm gonna maybe just go out

1207
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,320
on a lim and say next year, we definitely get

1208
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,320
two or three, just because there might be some pressure

1209
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,280
where it's like, oh, well, remember last year, maybe we

1210
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,400
didn't get that exactly right, so let's make up for

1211
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:47,920
it this year.

1212
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 2: And then one thing before he played the interview, the

1213
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:54,440
fact that Kuon got in by himself and the fact

1214
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,519
that he's first ballot, I think made it that much

1215
00:56:57,519 --> 00:57:00,920
more special because Kuon is up there doing the interview

1216
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:03,639
with Jeff Platt on the est PM broadcast, and then

1217
00:57:03,639 --> 00:57:07,800
he gets brought over to the poker room where his

1218
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,840
Hall of Fame picture was unveiled. I was there with

1219
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:13,920
the other poker media and we all we all spoke

1220
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,800
to him. He was there with his with his wife Bianca,

1221
00:57:16,039 --> 00:57:19,559
his two incredible kids. Bianca has a third on the way.

1222
00:57:20,199 --> 00:57:23,599
Andrew Robo was there with his wife, and it was

1223
00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:26,719
very It was very intimate because it was just him

1224
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,800
getting inducted. If you're standing there with Sean Deeven Scott,

1225
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,639
sever the atmosphere is completely different. You know, it's not

1226
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,840
just your thing, you're part of your event. It is

1227
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,760
for all these guys. So I think that you know

1228
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,199
and and perhaps deservingly so as well. Given Kuhne's stature

1229
00:57:43,199 --> 00:57:46,119
in the game, having that moment with him and having

1230
00:57:46,119 --> 00:57:48,000
a chance to talk to him was just really cool,

1231
00:57:48,039 --> 00:57:50,400
and he had a lot of incredible things to say,

1232
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,760
as as Jason qun always does. Jason is from from

1233
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,360
West and West Virginia.

1234
00:57:55,519 --> 00:57:58,039
Speaker 1: To stand here.

1235
00:57:57,039 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 2: At the Horseshoe, you get the Hall of Fame photos

1236
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,519
behind you, you got suppour of your closest friends.

1237
00:58:02,199 --> 00:58:04,199
Speaker 1: And your family described this.

1238
00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 5: Moment, yeah, man, I mean, honestly, I haven't talked about

1239
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,039
it today because we've kind of been in hyper speed

1240
00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:12,400
with everybody. But to think about it, you know, I

1241
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,360
was the first person in my family to go to college.

1242
00:58:14,599 --> 00:58:18,039
I suffered a hip injury that I thought was the

1243
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:20,559
worst thing that had ever happened to me, and I

1244
00:58:20,639 --> 00:58:22,840
set in my bed with stitches in my leg and

1245
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,960
started playing online poker. And to think that that happened,

1246
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:27,840
and for me to find my love at such a

1247
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:32,559
young age because that injury happened, it's a wild story. Man,

1248
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:34,400
twenty years later here, I am. I really can't. I

1249
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:35,039
can't believe it.

1250
00:58:36,159 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 2: The steps you took in poker were not linear growth, right, Yeah,

1251
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,719
there's ups and downs, there's setbacks, there's big moments forward,

1252
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:45,320
that's right.

1253
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: What comes to mind when you hear the words that

1254
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:48,639
you are inducted.

1255
00:58:48,719 --> 00:58:52,239
Speaker 2: What are some of those big moments, both forward and backwards.

1256
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,599
Speaker 7: You know you would think back of rather than thinking

1257
00:58:54,639 --> 00:58:55,159
in moments.

1258
00:58:55,199 --> 00:58:58,079
Speaker 5: I tend to think of my mentors and the people

1259
00:58:58,119 --> 00:58:59,360
that were with me along the way.

1260
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 7: And I've had such a great group of friends that

1261
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:04,719
are now my family.

1262
00:59:04,719 --> 00:59:06,679
Speaker 5: As you know, you know, you and ourn pals, But like,

1263
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,199
if you really you look at my group of poker friends,

1264
00:59:09,239 --> 00:59:11,000
it's like an Avengers cast for a movie.

1265
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,159
Speaker 7: It's insane and every.

1266
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 5: Chapter, you know, there's been there's been, like you said,

1267
00:59:16,519 --> 00:59:18,159
ups and downs at the biggest stakes in the world.

1268
00:59:18,239 --> 00:59:20,400
But I've just had these guys and you you just

1269
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,559
know you're solid. We can all relate with each other.

1270
00:59:24,119 --> 00:59:26,480
You're you're pushing each other every day to be better.

1271
00:59:26,519 --> 00:59:26,719
Speaker 7: You know.

1272
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 5: It's like straight up, last week, I don't plan on

1273
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,920
playing for the next six months. Last week me and

1274
00:59:32,039 --> 00:59:33,920
six of the best poker players in the world studied

1275
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:34,440
every day.

1276
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,079
Speaker 7: I'm not planning again for six months. It's just like that.

1277
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:39,519
Speaker 5: We're like a family. We push each other. It's the

1278
00:59:39,519 --> 00:59:41,800
only way to be and Uh. Yeah, I'm just so

1279
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:43,000
blessed to have my team.

1280
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,599
Speaker 2: I like to refer back to a moment we had

1281
00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:48,960
backstage during WSP where you mentioned that some of these

1282
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,039
guys are just different. Yeah, you mentioned IQ, you mentioned Shitwick. Yeah,

1283
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:55,400
you said their brains operate on a level that's just different.

1284
00:59:55,639 --> 00:59:57,639
It seems to me like you often forget that you

1285
00:59:57,719 --> 01:00:00,320
are also among that crowd and you're now on this wall.

1286
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:02,719
Speaker 1: So what is it that separates you from the rest of.

1287
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,679
Speaker 5: Well, you know, that's a question I asked myself all

1288
01:00:05,719 --> 01:00:09,000
the time, because I truly you know, oftentimes I'm sitting

1289
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,880
here like how did this happen? And I've done two

1290
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,159
things extraordinarily well in my career. The first thing is

1291
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,880
I'm ridiculously persistent, like I just never stopped, you know me,

1292
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,119
I'm so energetic, I never stop. And secondly, I've been

1293
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,199
great at finding people to push me to be better.

1294
01:00:26,519 --> 01:00:29,800
And that those things kind of intersect, because you have

1295
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,239
to be persistent at driving people crazy enough to work

1296
01:00:32,239 --> 01:00:34,760
with you. Like Ike's a great example. I said, hey,

1297
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,719
coach me. He said no. I said, hey, I'll pay

1298
01:00:36,719 --> 01:00:37,559
you this an hour.

1299
01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:38,079
Speaker 7: He said no.

1300
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 5: I said, okay, I just sent you twenty thousand dollars

1301
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:42,920
to your account. You have to coach me, And he said,

1302
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:46,320
damn it, okay, And that's how our relationship started. Like

1303
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,239
things like that, I just would not take no for

1304
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,960
an answer, not just with relationships but with myself.

1305
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 7: You know, I would hit barriers where.

1306
01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 5: I just couldn't win, and I just my life has

1307
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,480
been very binary. It's it's I have something I need

1308
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,280
to accomplish or I die. That's how I look at things.

1309
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,360
So I'm gonna do the thing. And my life's just

1310
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,000
been that way since I was seven years old.

1311
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:10,159
Speaker 2: In poker, it's often dangerous to critject or forecast how

1312
01:01:10,239 --> 01:01:12,920
things are gonna go. Yeah, but was there a moment

1313
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,880
in time where you might have thought, for the first time,

1314
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,440
I'm on track to be in the Hall of Fame.

1315
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,480
I now belong or I will belong at some point.

1316
01:01:21,239 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: On this wall.

1317
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:22,599
Speaker 7: Well, I knew.

1318
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,639
Speaker 5: I knew maybe nine years ago that special things were

1319
01:01:26,639 --> 01:01:30,519
starting to happen when I was holding the lobbies on

1320
01:01:30,639 --> 01:01:33,320
specific apps against the best players in the world, and

1321
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,519
I was the guy that was no one would play

1322
01:01:35,519 --> 01:01:36,960
me heads up anymore, and I was the guy that

1323
01:01:37,039 --> 01:01:39,119
was winning the most that ring and then I had

1324
01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:42,119
the tournament runs that I had. I started to think, Wow,

1325
01:01:42,239 --> 01:01:45,199
like this career is it's been a good one, you know.

1326
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,440
And I was thinking that maybe eight or nine years ago,

1327
01:01:47,559 --> 01:01:50,840
and some good stuff's happened between those nine years too,

1328
01:01:51,079 --> 01:01:54,800
and it doesn't make sense to me. I still can't

1329
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:56,920
believe it happened. Like I said, it was almost it's

1330
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,440
almost all been like a weird dream. But all I

1331
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,800
can say is, every single day I do something.

1332
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 2: One of the things about the Hall of Fame that

1333
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,599
makes it so special, and I know they've changed the

1334
01:02:06,679 --> 01:02:09,639
rules a little bit this year, is that you need

1335
01:02:10,119 --> 01:02:14,159
your peers to recognize your accomplishments and your longevity in

1336
01:02:14,239 --> 01:02:18,719
the game and your success. When the nominees were announced,

1337
01:02:19,119 --> 01:02:22,360
there were people running campaigns and whatnot. There's phone calls

1338
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:25,760
going at what has the reception been from the members

1339
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,079
that were already in about your nomination?

1340
01:02:28,159 --> 01:02:31,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, honestly, that's been the most overwhelming thing about this

1341
01:02:31,199 --> 01:02:34,840
entire experience. There's been guys like Eric's Sidel, John Jowanda,

1342
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,199
Phil Ivy. I was taking a leak in the bathroom

1343
01:02:38,199 --> 01:02:39,880
and Phil Helmuth walks up to me and he goes,

1344
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:40,360
you got my.

1345
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,199
Speaker 7: Vote, kid literally teared up.

1346
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,039
Speaker 5: I was like washing my hands, like, wow, Phil Hellmuth's

1347
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:46,760
just voted for me to get into the Poker Hall

1348
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,559
of Fame. Like these are overwhelming, These are idols of mine,

1349
01:02:50,599 --> 01:02:53,039
you know, Like I came in and these guys were it.

1350
01:02:53,199 --> 01:02:55,480
You know, even guys like Jack Binyon voted for me.

1351
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:01,199
Bobby Baldwin like goat, you know, like incredible sending me text,

1352
01:03:01,199 --> 01:03:02,519
hey kid, you had my vote.

1353
01:03:02,599 --> 01:03:05,199
Speaker 7: I just Maury like it's it's unbelievable.

1354
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 5: So it just means so much to me that these

1355
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,760
guys actually, uh, you know, they think I'm legit, and

1356
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,559
that's you know, you call that vain call of what

1357
01:03:13,679 --> 01:03:15,400
you want. But when your heroes kind of give you

1358
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,199
a tap and say, hey, yeah, I've voted for you,

1359
01:03:17,519 --> 01:03:18,320
it's a big moment.

1360
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 2: A few more small ones, but I know you're not

1361
01:03:21,559 --> 01:03:23,519
one to rest or, one to sit back.

1362
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:24,719
Speaker 7: Now, Jos's crazy.

1363
01:03:25,199 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 2: So when you say you know you're not playing for

1364
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,400
six months, I know number three is on the way, yeah,

1365
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,039
but I also know you're not part of this elite club.

1366
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:34,599
Speaker 7: If you will, Yeah, what does this mean.

1367
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 2: For your ongoing longevity in the game? And you're perhaps

1368
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,239
your goals and ambitions because you know what's left in

1369
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:40,599
a way.

1370
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I already told these guys I'm basically technical

1371
01:03:43,639 --> 01:03:45,639
support for the next six months. I said, I'll study

1372
01:03:45,679 --> 01:03:48,320
with you every day. I'll help you prep for final tables.

1373
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,840
That'll keep me sharp. I'll help you guys work on PLO.

1374
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,400
If there's cash games, we can game plan together. That's

1375
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:55,519
kind of the idea to keep me keep the blade sharp.

1376
01:03:55,559 --> 01:03:57,280
For me, I'm going to have a baby strapped to

1377
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,559
my chest, which I'm looking forward to so much. Third

1378
01:03:59,559 --> 01:04:03,159
time round, you realize how fast those moments go. And

1379
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,159
even you know, since the WSB ended for me, say

1380
01:04:07,199 --> 01:04:09,800
four weeks ago or something, I've been sprinting five days

1381
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,719
a week, powerlifting Like like you.

1382
01:04:12,639 --> 01:04:13,719
Speaker 7: Said, I can't rest.

1383
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 5: So I'm just gonna lose myself in things I'm passionate

1384
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,960
about my family, my health, and helping my buddies win poker,

1385
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,760
and hopefully if they go over there and take down

1386
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,320
some titles, it'll it'll feel like I did it.

1387
01:04:23,639 --> 01:04:26,719
Speaker 2: The final question, your kids are young, you know, third

1388
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:27,360
ones on the way.

1389
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, but there's something about the fact that you've accomplished

1390
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,639
this while their awareness of the world around them is

1391
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,480
only slowly starting to creep in. Yeah, what is that

1392
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:40,840
conversation going to be like with them ultimately when they

1393
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,519
are old enough to understand.

1394
01:04:42,119 --> 01:04:42,599
Speaker 1: What's going on?

1395
01:04:42,639 --> 01:04:44,079
Speaker 5: You know. It's one of those things I've thought a

1396
01:04:44,119 --> 01:04:47,119
lot about, and I just want them to understand. One

1397
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:49,519
thing that I really appreciate the poker brings to the

1398
01:04:49,559 --> 01:04:51,920
table for them is they see me lose, and they

1399
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,079
see me lose often, and I come home and everything's okay,

1400
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,559
and I feel good about myself and I hug my

1401
01:04:57,639 --> 01:04:59,280
kids and I say and they say, Daddy, is you

1402
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:00,159
want I said, no, I got.

1403
01:05:00,119 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 7: Killed a dat but I'm fine.

1404
01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 5: And they're learning that, you know, even that, if that's

1405
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,039
enough from a starting point for them, that's an amazing

1406
01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:08,719
place to begin.

1407
01:05:09,159 --> 01:05:11,599
Speaker 7: And to look back. I think they'll.

1408
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,559
Speaker 5: Understand their dad worked really, really hard at something, and

1409
01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:16,000
they might walk in here one day and say, holy shit,

1410
01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:17,239
that's my dad on the watch.

1411
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: One more quick thought, and this is something that I

1412
01:05:33,519 --> 01:05:36,719
just started thinking about while you and I were conversing

1413
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:40,039
about this. But what if it wasn't just a thing

1414
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:43,039
that's done every single year during the World Series of Poker.

1415
01:05:43,079 --> 01:05:46,360
What if they just inducted people whenever they wanted. Yeah,

1416
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,119
like if they kind of got together as a committee

1417
01:05:48,119 --> 01:05:50,119
and said, like, you know what, let's discuss maybe they

1418
01:05:50,159 --> 01:05:52,960
get together let's say quarterly, and they just said, you

1419
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,280
know what, it's time for Jason to get in. Let's

1420
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,159
put him in. Here's what we're going to do the ceremony.

1421
01:05:57,239 --> 01:05:59,280
Let's go, which goes to your point of like then

1422
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,920
you get a ceremony for one person, right then maybe

1423
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,400
it's next month. They're like, you know what, it's Sever's time.

1424
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,920
These are the reasons, like can everyone in the room vote,

1425
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,519
like if there's a certain number or whatever, then they say, okay,

1426
01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:14,400
we're gonna do sever whenever. Maybe then you go, you

1427
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:16,599
go like three years when there's no one because there's

1428
01:06:16,639 --> 01:06:18,920
no one meets the criteria for whatever reason. I don't

1429
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,639
think we're in that period now, but I'm just you know,

1430
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,760
just to make an argument, does like why does it

1431
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:24,960
have to be like every single year on this date,

1432
01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:26,639
Hall of Fame voting comes up? Like I know that's

1433
01:06:26,639 --> 01:06:28,800
how like other places do it, but like why does

1434
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:29,719
it have to be like that?

1435
01:06:29,719 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 2: I'll do you on better. The committee gathers once a

1436
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,239
year and can be on Zoom too. Because there's there's

1437
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,039
not enough people in all in one place. But the

1438
01:06:38,039 --> 01:06:40,760
committee gathers once a year, and let's just say like

1439
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:45,159
this is in January, and they they have their arguments

1440
01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:47,519
they can make for each player. Jason Jason Kuon can

1441
01:06:47,559 --> 01:06:51,119
go into this meeting pitching the induction of Scott sever

1442
01:06:51,519 --> 01:06:53,559
you know, and and you know, Brian Rask can come

1443
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:56,440
in there and pitch the induction of Sean Deep and

1444
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:57,920
then they have they have a couple of weeks to

1445
01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:00,679
you know, think about it, and then have a second

1446
01:07:00,679 --> 01:07:03,639
meeting in which they decide who gets in this year,

1447
01:07:03,719 --> 01:07:07,679
the class of twenty twenty seven, and then during the WSOP,

1448
01:07:08,119 --> 01:07:11,480
and this all stays under wraps. Then during the WSOP,

1449
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,079
depending on how many there are during the main event

1450
01:07:16,719 --> 01:07:20,199
on day one A one induction Day one B one

1451
01:07:20,199 --> 01:07:22,639
induction Day one, see one induction. And if there's five

1452
01:07:22,679 --> 01:07:24,719
people that year, there's just five days in a row

1453
01:07:24,719 --> 01:07:26,639
where a person gets inducted, and if there's only one,

1454
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,840
there's only one. But I think that way, you talk

1455
01:07:31,519 --> 01:07:36,360
among the Hall of Fame crowd who is worthy and deserving,

1456
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:42,440
and the voting can be on each player individually. If

1457
01:07:42,519 --> 01:07:45,960
Kun suggests that sever has to get in, and he

1458
01:07:46,039 --> 01:07:48,960
as a member can do that. Then the other members

1459
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,639
have to vote yes or no on that person. And

1460
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:57,239
you know, if Jack Binyon wants to nominate someone, he

1461
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,719
also is free to do so. I think that could

1462
01:07:59,719 --> 01:08:01,760
be a good way to expand this format.

1463
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean basically, I think what we're getting at

1464
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:08,280
is you're having a single ceremony for one person getting in,

1465
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,360
and then you're almost reverse engineering the whole process from there. Yeah,

1466
01:08:11,519 --> 01:08:13,159
like you're being like, Okay, how do we celebrate this

1467
01:08:13,239 --> 01:08:15,960
one person for their accomplishments in the game and what

1468
01:08:16,039 --> 01:08:19,720
they did on the biggest stage. Okay, that's great, Now

1469
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:21,960
how do we reverse engineer all of it to get

1470
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,199
them there? And then we can do that multiple times.

1471
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,600
And maybe it is during the WSB made event. Maybe

1472
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:28,880
it's once a week during the summer, right, whatever it is,

1473
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:32,760
but it's it's everyone gets their flowers on their own

1474
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,600
special occasion. They're celebrated. Whatever. You could even do cool

1475
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,199
things like you know, when they showed the NFL, like

1476
01:08:37,239 --> 01:08:39,199
they the Hall of Fame member goes to the guy's

1477
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:41,880
house and knocks on the door, like Nick Shulman just

1478
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:43,920
like walks up to Jason Kuhon always playing the hunter

1479
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,000
k like right about they're about to go on break,

1480
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:48,560
shakes his hand. There's cameras around Jason Kuhn, like what

1481
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:50,560
the hell is going on? Nick's like you're in buddy

1482
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,760
like that like that, like shit like that, Like let's

1483
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,760
like that would be dope anyway, too much talk tonight.

1484
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:58,520
Speaker 2: It's fore should we take over the Hall of Fame?

1485
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 1: No we should not. It's it's twelve fifty two in

1486
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,000
the morning. Normally I say what time it is done?

1487
01:09:04,039 --> 01:09:05,600
There's no one here, There is no one here. We

1488
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:06,520
are the last ones here.

1489
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,119
Speaker 2: Does make me feel like like ten fifteen years ago,

1490
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:11,000
It does when you and I were always the last

1491
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,239
ones here. It does, or whoever we were working with

1492
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:13,640
at the time.

1493
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: Main event, Baby, we probably wouldn't be the last ones

1494
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,000
here if this thing didn't go six hours today.

1495
01:09:19,159 --> 01:09:21,199
Speaker 2: Oh I thought you were going to say if Marco

1496
01:09:21,319 --> 01:09:23,039
Valerio didn't show up. That is true.

1497
01:09:23,119 --> 01:09:26,560
Speaker 1: Agent Marco in the Flesh showed up, had a conversation

1498
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,039
with us, doing great.

1499
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:32,279
Speaker 2: And I love how Agent Marco is always Agent Marco.

1500
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,399
The way he talks, it's it's authentic.

1501
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,359
Speaker 1: It's just who he said to me when you were

1502
01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:38,880
off to the side for second and we were talking.

1503
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,359
He's like, not to sound like I'm interviewing you, and

1504
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:43,479
then he just kept asking questions like he was actually

1505
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,800
interviewing me. And I was like, no, man, it's it's okay,

1506
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:47,640
Like it's totally fine. I'm here for it.

1507
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:49,560
Speaker 2: So there's donuts left by the way.

1508
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,159
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not doing it. I faded the donuts

1509
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,079
all day today and I'm still going to try and

1510
01:09:55,119 --> 01:09:58,159
fade them. So anyway, it's about to be one am

1511
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,359
Remco and I are going to get the heck ou here.

1512
01:10:00,399 --> 01:10:03,319
We're gonna be back on Tuesday, August fourth. We'll do

1513
01:10:03,359 --> 01:10:05,720
the same sort of recap style pod at the end

1514
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,479
of that. I think the goal is to get down

1515
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,079
to three handed play.

1516
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 2: Now.

1517
01:10:11,119 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: The goal today was to get down to six handed play.

1518
01:10:14,039 --> 01:10:16,760
They didn't exactly reach that, so we'll see what comes.

1519
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,159
Speaker 2: I think we should have the people, uh leave a

1520
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:21,279
comment on the video if you're watching it on YouTube

1521
01:10:22,359 --> 01:10:25,079
with who your top three is gonna be? Yeah, I

1522
01:10:25,159 --> 01:10:27,960
like that. Let's go. I'm gonna I'm gonna go. I'll

1523
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:33,920
just kick this off. I'm gonna go. Jumalan Fang and Gagliano.

1524
01:10:34,079 --> 01:10:36,199
Speaker 1: God, I was gonna say the exact same three I

1525
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:38,279
can't say the same same thing now, So I'm gonna go.

1526
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:46,399
I'm gonna go Jumalan fang and I'll say Jamie Chevelle

1527
01:10:47,399 --> 01:10:49,439
runs it back up. Got eleven big mindes to work with,

1528
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:52,359
buddies in there. It's gotta have some good fortune on

1529
01:10:52,359 --> 01:10:55,039
on on day two, the final table. All right, that's

1530
01:10:55,039 --> 01:10:57,479
gonna do it for us, for Remka Rikima. I am

1531
01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,960
Donnie Peters, and we will talk to you guys next.

1532
01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:03,520
Speaker 2: Start rat to night on the

1533
01:11:05,039 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 7: Change Express.