Speaker 1: So we'd like to introduce to Vessel Magic and ECW original,
Speaker 1: a former ECW television champion, a former e c W
Speaker 1: Tag team champion as part of the bit Bulls, Gary Wolf. Hello, Gary,
Speaker 1: how are you awesome?
Speaker 2: How you guys doing today? Very good?
Speaker 3: Thank you? That's awesome all right, Glad to have you here,
Speaker 3: mister Wolf. So I've heard recently that you have released
Speaker 3: a book.
Speaker 4: Is that true?
Speaker 2: Yes, it's called The Pitbull Unleashed. Actually here I must
Speaker 2: show it to you guys.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's to cover. Missy Hyatt wrote the back. Todd
Speaker 2: Gordon wrote the forward. Uh, it's a pretty good book,
Speaker 2: first one I ever wrote. Right now, it's number six
Speaker 2: out of wrestling books, which is pretty good, number forty
Speaker 2: nine at all sports books on Amazon which are one hundreds,
Speaker 2: so it's getting up there. It's getting pretty good hits.
Speaker 2: And people who know the pit bulls seeing the pit
Speaker 2: Bulls but never knew the behind stories of the pit bulls.
Speaker 2: You know, it's cool. Check out and it's a good read.
Speaker 3: Okay man, nice little history for us all to hear about.
Speaker 3: And I'm glad that you were able to write it
Speaker 3: and put your memoir in a way in this book,
Speaker 3: so we can read it and we can retell later
Speaker 3: on about it, but without further Ado Scully, what kind
Speaker 3: of questions do we have? Four pit Bull number one?
Speaker 4: This is really exciting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so fastly before we spoke about before we speak
Speaker 1: about the best thing, I wanted to ask more about
Speaker 1: you as a person, like growing up as a child
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. If you don't mind, Is that
Speaker 1: okay with you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? That's fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So growing up, was you always a fan of
Speaker 1: wrestling or Yeah?
Speaker 2: When I was a young little kid, I mean I'd
Speaker 2: watch wrestling with my grandpa. He was a tang right
Speaker 2: off the boat man from Zigulian. Yeah, so he had
Speaker 2: the white hair, blue eyes, and he would he would
Speaker 2: watch wrestling because he liked Bruno San Martino. You know.
Speaker 2: So I was in the Superstar Billy Graham and you know,
Speaker 2: I'd love Andre the Giant. It was cool, you know,
Speaker 2: but I never thought I would become a wrestler, you know,
Speaker 2: because those guys were bigger than life back then. You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like my dad always told me about like because
Speaker 1: obviously I'm fair. Uage used to tell me about like
Speaker 1: Giant for the UK wrestling like giant hay stacks and
Speaker 1: manners and stuff like that. And when he showed me,
Speaker 1: I was like, you found this, Like compared to what
Speaker 1: I seen that entertainment side, it was very different, if
Speaker 1: you get what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, especially in the UK. It's I think it's
Speaker 2: always different. Wrestling is different in all different countries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd definitely say American wrestling is twenty times more entertainment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and maybe.
Speaker 2: Tr what you're into, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So that's fair.
Speaker 3: So along with the childhood portion, I wanted to ask you,
Speaker 3: were you ever an amateur wrestler in school or anything
Speaker 3: like that?
Speaker 2: Or yeah? I did that one year one sixty eight class,
Speaker 2: and then I ended up doing I was more a
Speaker 2: football player. I was a linebacker, defensive end. You know.
Speaker 2: I like to hit people, That's what I like to do. So,
Speaker 2: but then when I got out of high school, I mean,
Speaker 2: when I was younger, you got to realize my dad
Speaker 2: sent me a military academy. I was in military school
Speaker 2: because I'd go to schools and if I got picked on,
Speaker 2: I'd end up beating it out of a person and
Speaker 2: then I'd get in trouble. You know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 2: you know, my dad put me in this school. Then
Speaker 2: I went to a Greenway academy which was for bad kids,
Speaker 2: and some kids was picking on me there and I
Speaker 2: threw them down a flight of steps. I didn't care
Speaker 2: at that point, you know. So then my dad sent
Speaker 2: me a military academy. It was called the Hardgrave Military
Speaker 2: Academy in Chatham, Virginia. Bad school ran by all Vietnam vets. Tough,
Speaker 2: mean motherckers man. I mean, they beat it at me
Speaker 2: every day. I mean it was rough, man, but it
Speaker 2: was good because it got me tough, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. I was there from like nine years old
Speaker 2: to like probably fourteen fifteen. When it was time to
Speaker 2: go to high school. I went back to my regular
Speaker 2: high school and people didn't even recognize me because you know,
Speaker 2: I have had big arms and I was in shape,
Speaker 2: you know, because military school made it tough. You know,
Speaker 2: I was gonna be airborne Ranger Special Forces. So that
Speaker 2: was my plan. You know. I had my own businesses
Speaker 2: on the boardwalk and like that. My Grandpap invented the
Speaker 2: first poker machine. And I don't know if you've been
Speaker 2: on the boardwalk where you shoot the water gun game
Speaker 2: and you go into the clown's mouth and it blows
Speaker 2: up the balloon. Well, my grandpa invented that really, so
Speaker 2: all the all them Carni games. You know, that's where
Speaker 2: I'm from, you know what I'm saying. Uh, it was.
Speaker 2: It was very weird growing up because to hell, Vincent
Speaker 2: Price used to always be at my grandpa's house, which
Speaker 2: was very odd, you know what I mean, because he
Speaker 2: was a movie star. My grandpa had friends with everybody,
Speaker 2: you know, he was just that type of person. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but uh, definitely a quaranty. So I grew up as
Speaker 2: a quaranty. On the boardwalk. I would always have a
Speaker 2: skateboard in my hand period, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: If I wasn't a military school, I'd be surfing, boogie
Speaker 2: board and BMX bike and I always was doing some
Speaker 2: kind of sport, you know. And then eventually, then eventually
Speaker 2: bodybuilding got in my mind. So I started working out young,
Speaker 2: which was good because when I decided to become a wrestler,
Speaker 2: I already had a pretty good frame going, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So I was we were bigger than
Speaker 2: most tag teams, you know what I'm saying. That young.
Speaker 4: I see, I see.
Speaker 3: So one last question before I passed back off to Scully,
Speaker 3: But I do want to ask you. Do you think
Speaker 3: the military Academy was beneficial for you? And do you
Speaker 3: think it really sets you up for your wrestling career?
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, because it you know there you couldn't There
Speaker 2: was only three rules. You can't lie, cheat, or steal.
Speaker 2: Everything else goes. You know, you have a problem with somebody,
Speaker 2: you go to the match and you fight. You don't
Speaker 2: tell the colonel or the major. You know, you don't
Speaker 2: listen under their business. They don't want to hear about it,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So my first year, it
Speaker 2: was like I had one hundred and sixty eight hours.
Speaker 2: That they're called tours, and you have only two hours
Speaker 2: a day of free time and you could do, you know,
Speaker 2: play football or you know, do whatever you want to do,
Speaker 2: but you got two hours. My two hours were staring
Speaker 2: at a wall getting water boarded, you know. For I
Speaker 2: had one hundred and sixty eight hours. Man, I broke
Speaker 2: the record, and I was like, you know, my second
Speaker 2: year there, when I got there, I said, I can't
Speaker 2: beat these guys. I got to join them, you know,
Speaker 2: I decided you know, let me just go with it.
Speaker 2: And they broke me down and changed me. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean. I mean I was a sniper. I
Speaker 2: mean I hit a quarter one hundred yards away. Wow,
Speaker 2: in seventh in seventh grade, you know, so no bullet.
Speaker 2: I was ready. I was. I was. I wasn't even
Speaker 2: going to go to West Point like they had me set.
Speaker 2: When I graduated high school there, I go to West
Speaker 2: Point for four years. I told them, no, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to college because I'm going to end up going
Speaker 2: to a war. And you know, I walk on the
Speaker 2: field as a lieutenant. You know what I'm saying right
Speaker 2: off the bat, But I'm not going to go there
Speaker 2: to college for four years while those guys are fighting,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And then pop up, I said, Dad,
Speaker 2: I don't need to go to college. You know, I
Speaker 2: was already. You guys taught me what to do. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean, that shoot people and get ahead.
Speaker 2: You know that that was it. So I said, I
Speaker 2: don't want to go to college. I'd rather go into
Speaker 2: the service and get those four years in there, and
Speaker 2: I just get out four years sooner, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. That's how I looked at it, and they
Speaker 2: have respected that, and they were cool with that, you know.
Speaker 2: But then once I seen, you know, I was going
Speaker 2: to be airborne ranger. You know, that's where they drop
Speaker 2: you off on the opposite side, you know. So but
Speaker 2: my scene what they did to my uncle, and because
Speaker 2: he was in the military, and that's when I decided,
Speaker 2: you know, in ninth grade, tenth grade, I want to
Speaker 2: go back to high school. I want to get out
Speaker 2: of there. That's what I did.
Speaker 4: That's fair.
Speaker 3: I mean, my father and both grandfathers actually were all
Speaker 3: hair born, so I hear you. They're not quite the
Speaker 3: same as everybody else, kind of perceives anyone else. So
Speaker 3: I understand completely what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean mad respect for your family. Man.
Speaker 3: Shit, Skully, here up, buddy.
Speaker 1: So how did that? How did you transfer to wrestling
Speaker 1: from there?
Speaker 2: I was at a gym working out. It was called
Speaker 2: a Tellis Gym in Wildwood, New Jersey, and WWE would
Speaker 2: come in and do this is when they were taping RAW.
Speaker 2: They weren't doing live yet, so they were going to
Speaker 2: the convention center to tape RAW. So the owners of
Speaker 2: the gym came up to me and my partner, a
Speaker 2: friend of mine named Andy Bronowski. He does he's leather
Speaker 2: Face in the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Okay guy, the real
Speaker 2: big guy. Yeah, he's a friend of mine. And then
Speaker 2: another guy named Waldough. He had passed away, but his
Speaker 2: wrestling name was cry Baby Waldough. Big guy, like four
Speaker 2: or five hundred pound guy. It was huge. So they
Speaker 2: asked us, you know, yo, do you want to do security?
Speaker 2: And we were like, yeah, you know, that's cool. We
Speaker 2: don't buish Bulldog was going to be here. A lot
Speaker 2: of good big names were there, so we were like,
Speaker 2: hell yeah. So we snuck in the building Monday afternoon
Speaker 2: before the show. It wasn't until Monday night. So we
Speaker 2: snuck in and we jumped in the ring man, and
Speaker 2: we didn't know what we were doing. We just you know,
Speaker 2: started hitting the ropes, taking bumps, and before you know it,
Speaker 2: that ring whooped our hands so bad, Like I couldn't
Speaker 2: go to the gym for two weeks, that's how sore
Speaker 2: my body was. I had no idea what I was doing.
Speaker 2: I had no idea how to take a bump, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I remember Dick Whirl, he was
Speaker 2: sitting in the audience sitting in the crowd in the chairs.
Speaker 2: Nobody was in the building, just him. He was just
Speaker 2: sitting there watching us, you know. And then I sat
Speaker 2: next to him and went up and started talking to him.
Speaker 2: And he's like, who's that big blond guy. You know.
Speaker 2: I was Andy, of course, and I go, oh, that's
Speaker 2: my friend Andy. He goes he's huge. I said, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's a bodybuilder. He goes, Man, he's going to be
Speaker 2: another haulk Hogan, that guy, I said, naw, I said,
Speaker 2: he the same for him. I said, he's going to
Speaker 2: Hollywood and you know he wants to acting like that,
Speaker 2: you know. And he was like okay, and then he
Speaker 2: just checked us out, and you know, I just remember
Speaker 2: the next day waking up being so sore, you know,
Speaker 2: and my partner Anthony was just like, yeah, he was
Speaker 2: sore too, but I was, you know, he's he kind
Speaker 2: of liked it. I was just like that, man, I
Speaker 2: ain't doing that. It's just not you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to do it, you know. And
Speaker 2: then next thing, you know, I had like a Hamburger
Speaker 2: Chief Steak place on the beach between Mary's Peer and
Speaker 2: Hunts Peer. So I had a beach grill, and then
Speaker 2: I had some water ice carts on the boardwalk and
Speaker 2: on the one of the piers, so I'd open up
Speaker 2: every day. And I figured, let's go to the beach.
Speaker 2: And we're in the beach about knee high water and
Speaker 2: we're practicing like soup lexes and like that, and we're
Speaker 2: doing it in the beach and you know, and about
Speaker 2: water up to you about knees, you know. So the
Speaker 2: water broke or fall and we didn't really get hurt.
Speaker 2: And that's how we started learning how to do. And
Speaker 2: then right after summer it was winter time and when
Speaker 2: we went back home and come to find out, the
Speaker 2: Monster Factory was only forty five minutes from our house
Speaker 2: where we both lived in that town, that small town
Speaker 2: in Hamilton, New Jersey. So Anthony one day came up
Speaker 2: to me and said, yo, man, they have a pro
Speaker 2: wrestling school right there. Man, the real original nature boy,
Speaker 2: Buddy Rogers opened it. It's his school. Larry Sharp runs it,
Speaker 2: Charlie Fulton trains with him. You know a lot of
Speaker 2: guys been in there, you know, and been out of there,
Speaker 2: and big names, you know. When I went there, Bam
Speaker 2: Bam Biggel, I was just leaving, you know, and the
Speaker 2: Godfather was still was just leaving to go to Japan,
Speaker 2: you know. So we got in there and he told
Speaker 2: me he signed up, and I said, well, give me
Speaker 2: like about thirty days to make a couple of hours.
Speaker 2: And I remember going talking to Larry and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: Anthony's been here a month, and he goes, what do
Speaker 2: you want to join? I said yeah, and he goes
Speaker 2: and I said, at that time, it was three thousand
Speaker 2: dollars to join a wrestling school, a legit good wrestling school.
Speaker 2: And I told him, and I got five hundred I
Speaker 2: could put down and I'll make payments. And he said, absolutely,
Speaker 2: no problem. And that's how it started in nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 3: Interesting. Interesting, So did you have any other notable names
Speaker 3: with you at that time, because I believe, if I
Speaker 3: remember correctly, Raven also went through the Monster.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he went through the Monster Factory. I believe. Were
Speaker 4: there any others that were also.
Speaker 2: With you at that Oh, Ken, Shamrock, Uh, Katanka Uh.
Speaker 2: They were in South Atlantic with me. Vince TERRELLI was Shamrock.
Speaker 2: Katanka was called Chris Chevis. He was doing the Indian
Speaker 2: gimmick there. We had Ricky Steamboat working with us there.
Speaker 2: Flair would pop in once in a while, the Malakos,
Speaker 2: the Fantastics would come in from Japan, Big John stud
Speaker 2: would pop in. We were in the stud state, but
Speaker 2: with Robert Fuller and Matt Bourne Maniac Matt Bourne, which
Speaker 2: was great, you know. And we started off as baby
Speaker 2: faces there, you know, and the Nasty Boys weren't even
Speaker 2: there yet. And I remember, like I kept telling Robert,
Speaker 2: I kept telling the Paul Jones and George Scott. I
Speaker 2: was like, look, man, I said, let us can we
Speaker 2: do a heel promo? I said, you know, I like
Speaker 2: being baby faced, don't get me wrong, but you know,
Speaker 2: I just have a feeling we're better heels, you know.
Speaker 2: And he didn't believe me. So finally, after a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks he finally got one of the tapings. He said, okay,
Speaker 2: just to shut you look up, you know, cut theffing
Speaker 2: promo and then I don't want to hear nothing else.
Speaker 2: And I said, okay, no problem. So we cut the
Speaker 2: promo and he got pitt his jawl hit the ground
Speaker 2: and he threw his notebook down and he goes after
Speaker 2: he put his hands in the air, and Paul Jones
Speaker 2: just looked at us and said, you guys are natural heels,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like natural born killers. Man.
Speaker 2: We were. We had it in us. That's how we are,
Speaker 2: you know. We're Philly Jersey guys. You know, gangsters. Man.
Speaker 2: We don't give them you know, sorry, but but you know,
Speaker 2: you know, that's how we are, you know. And they
Speaker 2: were like, Okay, well the Nasty boys are coming in,
Speaker 2: and I guess they're going to be the babyfaces. I said, yes,
Speaker 2: they are, you know. I was like, cool, we turned
Speaker 2: the nasty boy's baby face. That's pretty impressive, I think,
Speaker 2: you know. But we were lucky, like you got to remember,
Speaker 2: we were We worked for Jerry Lawler and that was
Speaker 2: six seven nights a week. We worked for Jeff Jarrett
Speaker 2: and his dad. You know, when Jarrett was a kid,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, he's only I think he's
Speaker 2: my age, maybe a year younger or something like that.
Speaker 2: But I was on the road with him when he
Speaker 2: was in his twenties. Man, and his dad was our boss.
Speaker 2: You know. We would do five, six, at least six
Speaker 2: seven shows a week, you know, so we were lucky.
Speaker 2: We were able to hit those territories, you know. And
Speaker 2: the last one was Paul Jones and George Scott in
Speaker 2: South Atlantic, which was good because we entered in the
Speaker 2: stable and they worked out because Vince, you know, he
Speaker 2: sent us there. You know, I remember Cowboy Bob Warton
Speaker 2: came down to the school. Always a lot of guys
Speaker 2: from WA would be there. Uh, and he was in
Speaker 2: the office talking to front of Larry. Now he left,
Speaker 2: said goodbye to us, and then Larry said, come on
Speaker 2: in the office, I want to talk to you guys.
Speaker 2: Because we were already working for Vincent eight nine while
Speaker 2: we were going to school, we were working for WWS.
Speaker 2: But we would do all like Tri state area, like
Speaker 2: New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania. We would do all their shows,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And then we got in
Speaker 2: good because Grillham monsoon liked us, so we then we
Speaker 2: started doing overseas tours with that. So I'd be on
Speaker 2: a two week tour in Austria. You know, it's me.
Speaker 2: It's the pit Bulls versus Jimmy Snook and Brutush the
Speaker 2: Barbara beefcake I mean, come on, you couldn't ask for
Speaker 2: anything better than that. I mean, that was cakewalk you know, easy, easy,
Speaker 2: and we just and us we looked at it as
Speaker 2: we're learning, you know, and that's the best way. Nikita,
Speaker 2: cole Off and magnum Ta. There's so many guys out there,
Speaker 2: Lex Luger, they didn't go to wrestling school. They learned
Speaker 2: on the road, you know what I'm saying. So we
Speaker 2: did both, you know, and learning on the road, especially
Speaker 2: going in eighty eight, going to going to New Zealand
Speaker 2: against the British Bulldogs was a fantastic I mean, that's
Speaker 2: what got us over because those guys went back to
Speaker 2: work and everybody talks, you know, how was your tour?
Speaker 2: It was good man. We worked against you know, these
Speaker 2: guys and they were cool, and that's what happened, you know,
Speaker 2: because the first night wasn't It was a scary night,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. We were young kids all
Speaker 2: the way to the other side of the world going
Speaker 2: in front of fifty five thousand people against the British
Speaker 2: Bulldogs and they don't want to give us a finish.
Speaker 2: They're like, we'll call it out there, see out there.
Speaker 2: You know, that was a test.
Speaker 4: You know, that's fair.
Speaker 3: And I'll be honest with you, I totally agree you guys.
Speaker 3: You have the heel look, that intimidating stature, and just
Speaker 3: the way you guys forming the ring so intensely. It
Speaker 3: makes sense to be heels for the two of you.
Speaker 4: And I'll be honest, it's the most good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Even if we're baby faces, we don't change our
Speaker 2: style of work. You know, we hate We keep the
Speaker 2: same style baby face and heel, and I mean we're
Speaker 2: like the road Warriors, man, we were in the Steiners.
Speaker 2: I mean they budot us or they cheered us. It
Speaker 2: didn't make a difference to us. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: That's valid, And I do agree that turning the Nasty
Speaker 3: boys baby face that's impressive because I feel like they
Speaker 3: were always kind of heels, you know, absolutely absolutely, that's
Speaker 3: got to go ahead.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you worked with a lot of wrestlers, a lot
Speaker 1: of big names, and you traveled all over the place.
Speaker 1: But I always wondered, like I can imagine in my head,
Speaker 1: but how hard was it like for your body and
Speaker 1: your mental strength, like traveling from here to there? Like
Speaker 1: for me, I have a job, it's only ten minutes
Speaker 1: down the road to go to the same boarding place
Speaker 1: every day. But you've got to go here, there, and everywhere.
Speaker 2: Well, being young, it was great because, like I said,
Speaker 2: we started traveling young, like nineteen twenty. We weren't even
Speaker 2: I mean we were drinking age because it was eighteen
Speaker 2: at the time until they switched to twenty one, you know,
Speaker 2: so we were already locked in. So it was cool
Speaker 2: for us. But going to the UK, going all over
Speaker 2: the world was fantastic. I mean, at one point we
Speaker 2: looked at each other and we're like, yeah, we're getting
Speaker 2: groomed to work for Vince, but man, I'm having more
Speaker 2: fun going all over the world. I only don't give
Speaker 2: it if I work in the United States, I'll be
Speaker 2: honest with you. That's where we were at at one point,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, because and then when we were
Speaker 2: in South Atlantic when Japan came looking for us, you know,
Speaker 2: out of the blue, you know now was just from talk.
Speaker 2: That was from the malinkos coming in, the fantastics coming in,
Speaker 2: you know, and British bulldogs that you know got to
Speaker 2: work with us, and you know they talk. Everybody talks.
Speaker 2: You know. We ended up wrestling the Wild Samoans and
Speaker 2: it was over from there because they would all talk,
Speaker 2: you know, because if they're doing an independent show. The
Speaker 2: booker back in them days would be like, who do
Speaker 2: you want to wrestle? And the Simons will go bring
Speaker 2: to Pimples and they're local and we would do it,
Speaker 2: you know, and it was perfect. You know, we ended
Speaker 2: up being really I was. Kevin Sullivan was like a
Speaker 2: father to me, man, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 2: he opened so many doors. He introduced us to Don Morocco,
Speaker 2: King Curtis, you know, Jimmy Snook who ended up marrying
Speaker 2: my girls aunt right now before he passed away. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And you know, it's crazy because
Speaker 2: I never realized I'd be able to be a part
Speaker 2: of the business because back in the day, you know,
Speaker 2: I'd look at these guys. Even the first time I
Speaker 2: was in their locker room, I couldn't believe how big
Speaker 2: men these guys were. You know what I'm saying. We
Speaker 2: were kids, man, these guys were men and they were big.
Speaker 2: I remember Ted DBIASI was, I mean, this guy's a
Speaker 2: big dude. He hit me so hard. I hit my
Speaker 2: pants okay in the ring, no bullshrub. He hit me
Speaker 2: right across the face with the clotheslines so hard like
Speaker 2: I said, Man, it was like because you know, when
Speaker 2: you got butterflies in your stomach and you're going in
Speaker 2: front of Yeah, I'd never been in front of thirty
Speaker 2: something thousand people. You know what I'm saying. You know,
Speaker 2: you know when I first started, you know, our first
Speaker 2: match was against a Heart Foundation. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: You know, we were kids, Thank goodness. Gorilla Monsoon was
Speaker 2: doing commentary with Vince McMahon, and Gorilla was tapping him
Speaker 2: on the leg like, look at these guys. They're only
Speaker 2: like twenty years old, nineteen years old. Looking, they're already built,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, let's get him out and look,
Speaker 2: let's get him on the road. Let's get him ready.
Speaker 2: That's what happened.
Speaker 3: We were lucky, you know, Okay, man and I agree.
Speaker 3: People do talk, and that's something that a lot of
Speaker 3: people don't really appreciate enough, is the fact that word
Speaker 3: of mouth goes so far. If you're able to get
Speaker 3: it out there enough, you just got to make everybody know, hey,
Speaker 3: I'm here, and then keep projecting that until everybody talks
Speaker 3: about you.
Speaker 2: Oh. When I walk into locker room, dude, I mean
Speaker 2: I know locker room etiquette. I go up to every
Speaker 2: single person and introduce myself, shake their hand made event,
Speaker 2: Thanks for the house. You know I'm saying, that's how
Speaker 2: I was taught all school, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: never changed, you know, never, And I've been almost almost
Speaker 2: what thirty something for almost forty years in the business.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's incredible, I gotta say. So, where exactly did
Speaker 3: you feel that the start of your biggest successes really
Speaker 3: started to come in? When did it really all come
Speaker 3: into play for you?
Speaker 2: Once Japan came down looking for us, and that's New
Speaker 2: Japan Pro Wrestling back in the day. That's when Hasse
Speaker 2: and Sasaki had the tag belts, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: That's when Vader and Bigelow had the heavyweight titles. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, like monsters, you know. Uh, we
Speaker 2: went to New Zealand. We did. We had a great
Speaker 2: two weeks. We learned so much. They went back. They
Speaker 2: must have put the word out the pit bulls are cool.
Speaker 2: They're good workers. They're young, but they're they're good kids,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And next thing, you know,
Speaker 2: man like she's just started happening, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: the American pit bulls versus the British Bulldogs. You know,
Speaker 2: we drew fifty five thousand people in New Zealand. You know,
Speaker 2: we filled the Olympic Stadium. It was amazing, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean working against them guys, and we did
Speaker 2: it in two weeks, which was awesome, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. We learned. We went back again against the
Speaker 2: Guerrero brothers. Okay, that's Eddie Guerrero's dad, Hondo and Mondo okay,
Speaker 2: and then Ray Mysterio's dad. You know, I went back
Speaker 2: again against the Bushwhackers, which were the sheep Herders because
Speaker 2: they're from New Zealand. As the sheep Herders, they were hardcore.
Speaker 2: It was crazy. So you know what was good about
Speaker 2: us is you know, I talked to Vince McMahon, you know,
Speaker 2: and I said, look, here's a contract from New Japan
Speaker 2: Pro Wrestling. Can you match his contract. If you match it,
Speaker 2: I'm staying here. If you don't, I'm going to go
Speaker 2: to Japan. Okay. There's guys that are working for Vince
Speaker 2: McMahon right now that's never been to Japan, Okay, especially
Speaker 2: on their own. You know, they'll probably go with WWE,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But you know, I was
Speaker 2: going to Japan because they scouted as Tokyo. Joe scouted
Speaker 2: me as my partner and said, you guys are japan material. Man,
Speaker 2: Look at you. I want to see more sue plexes.
Speaker 2: Because he came in. He would come and visit us
Speaker 2: in North Carolina, you know, but we were kept going
Speaker 2: to NWA. I kept going to the NWA shows anytime
Speaker 2: they were in Charlotte because I was trying to get
Speaker 2: a job with them. You know. I was into the
Speaker 2: Rick Flair, the Magnum, the Ora Anderson's and the Four Horsemen,
Speaker 2: and you know that was more grown up, you know,
Speaker 2: to me. When I would look at WWE, back then,
Speaker 2: it was all characters. It was like, you know, a
Speaker 2: comic book strip, you know what I'm saying. Even though
Speaker 2: it was great, I mean, the work was easy. I mean,
Speaker 2: you barely. I mean I would have to make eye
Speaker 2: contact with the boss man just to make sure I
Speaker 2: knew he was hitting me. That's how late he was,
Speaker 2: you know, even akeem how big he was, he would
Speaker 2: drop an elbow on me. I disappeared. People would think
Speaker 2: I went through the ring. I barely felt him. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, one man gang is an awesome guy. Man,
Speaker 2: he could work as apt these guys are. You know,
Speaker 2: I didn't realize what work working was until I went
Speaker 2: to Vince McMahon and started working with them guys. You know,
Speaker 2: the Rougeau Brothers, and you know the powers of Pain.
Speaker 2: You know all them guys. You know, they were all there.
Speaker 2: We wrestled all of them and it was a great experience.
Speaker 2: You know. It helped us so much, and it got
Speaker 2: us respect from them, you know what I mean. Because
Speaker 2: we were young. I mean, they could have took advantage
Speaker 2: and beat this out of us. You know, we would
Speaker 2: have took it. We would have gave it back as
Speaker 2: much as we could, but we don't. You know, when
Speaker 2: Devias hit me with a clothesline, I had to come
Speaker 2: in to me, you know what I mean, because he
Speaker 2: set up the spot. You know, he told me, he said, listen,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna send Virgil over to you. This was for TV,
Speaker 2: because Virgil is going to come in off for you
Speaker 2: one hundred bucks. You say, no, get outside the apron,
Speaker 2: get outside the ring. When I come over to you,
Speaker 2: I'm going to come and hit you. You can give
Speaker 2: me a shoulder tackle and then slingshot yourself in the ring,
Speaker 2: give me a sunset flip. And I'm like, okay, no problem,
Speaker 2: yes sir. You know, we go out there, I do
Speaker 2: the spot. But I try to hold him down, man,
Speaker 2: I would I tried to hold him down on purpose.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I don't know what I was thinking. Man, Honestly,
Speaker 2: I really don't know what I was thinking, because but
Speaker 2: I knew he was gonna nail me. He got up
Speaker 2: and he cut me off with a clothesline. Like I said,
Speaker 2: I show my pants. Man. I had to go before
Speaker 2: I had to go out there anyway, so I was
Speaker 2: probably squeezing it might anyway, you know. So once he
Speaker 2: hit me with that clothesline, bro, I was just like fu.
Speaker 2: But he came in the back room and he was
Speaker 2: waiting for me to I could just see him because
Speaker 2: he kept going like this with his hand, you know,
Speaker 2: rubbing his jaw and opening his mouth. You know, he
Speaker 2: was waiting for me to break his balls, you know, dude.
Speaker 2: I walked up, shook his hands and think very much.
Speaker 2: You know. Of course I changed and already showered through
Speaker 2: that shaway and came back in. You know, when I
Speaker 2: seen him, like I said, he was waiting for me
Speaker 2: to fin. I just said, thank you, sir, I appreciate it. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I was a little snug on the sunset. I said
Speaker 2: the receipt it was nice. It's all good, bro, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? That was it, And Virgils like,
Speaker 2: give me that fie hundred hour build back. He took
Speaker 2: the hundred dollar build back. And they both were like
Speaker 2: talking to each other as they were going away, and
Speaker 2: I heard Debios say, see that, now that guy's gonna
Speaker 2: last because he's not big, you know, because that's all
Speaker 2: they he was waiting for me to say, is yo,
Speaker 2: what's all being stiff? You know what I mean. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna say that number one I had it coming to.
Speaker 2: I mean number two, I'm not gonna bet anything ever
Speaker 2: like that. We never did that because, believe me, I
Speaker 2: potato people a lot. I'm snug, you know. I like
Speaker 2: d Russell.
Speaker 3: Strong style, you know, yeah, nothing wrong with that. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's plenty of guys, especially in the Japanese scene, who
Speaker 3: have made so much success off the Strong style. Just
Speaker 3: because it's not necessarily w WE style doesn't mean that
Speaker 3: it's wrong, And I think it's a fair way to go,
Speaker 3: you know, makes it look realistic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I said, me and Anthony like we
Speaker 2: were able to adapt to like you know, we could
Speaker 2: do Triple A, we could do Japan, we could do
Speaker 2: Puerto Rico, you name it, down South, you name it.
Speaker 2: We could wrestle it. We could wrestle every style there is,
Speaker 2: so we can adapt to anybody's style. First people, the
Speaker 2: first tag team that Ray Mastereo and Move into Guerrero
Speaker 2: wrestled in America in New York was the pit Bulls, okay,
Speaker 2: and we had a great match with them. Guys. I
Speaker 2: remember Paul haym And pointing to Ray mystereo and Move
Speaker 2: in two and saying, you're wrestling these two guys. And
Speaker 2: I look at Paul Hayman and I said, they look
Speaker 2: like they're twelve and thirteen years old? Are you sure
Speaker 2: you who'd have wrote them here? He's like, Conan brought
Speaker 2: them here. He goes, they're lucha doors. I'm like, oh, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: so they wear masks and stuff so nobody will see
Speaker 2: their face. He's like, no, nobody will tell. Nobody's going
Speaker 2: to know how old they are. So I'm just saying
Speaker 2: they look twelve years old, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Ray is tiny, you know, but we went out there
Speaker 2: and we were actually balls at a wall man for
Speaker 2: like thirty five forty minutes. I mean, Paul was actually
Speaker 2: kind of pissed and be be honest with you, He's
Speaker 2: like he gave them too much. I'm like, yeah, but
Speaker 2: it was fun. I mean they could really they really
Speaker 2: work great, you know what I mean. They fly all
Speaker 2: over the place. You know, you just got to catch them.
Speaker 2: So that's what we were doing, you know, And I
Speaker 2: ended up becoming good friends with y. You know, it
Speaker 2: was cool.
Speaker 3: Dude, that's welled, Scully, go ahead, man, I don't mean
Speaker 3: hug the spot.
Speaker 1: That's yeah. I was going to ask about your relationship
Speaker 1: with your tag team partner, Like, obviously he was a
Speaker 1: team in the ring, he was a team on television,
Speaker 1: but what about your friendship stage.
Speaker 2: We grew up in the same town, went to the
Speaker 2: same school. I ended up getting in trouble. I had
Speaker 2: to go to jail. So I ran into Anthony in
Speaker 2: the gym. You know, he had his clique. I had
Speaker 2: my click, you know, and then we just started working
Speaker 2: out together and we became friends. And then I introduced
Speaker 2: them of the mic boys from the City of Philadelphia
Speaker 2: and they would go down to wild Wood every summer
Speaker 2: and we'd get a house down there. We'd stayed the
Speaker 2: whole summer on the beach and let work out at
Speaker 2: a Tellnis gym it was called. It was like it
Speaker 2: was like a gold gym, like it was for just
Speaker 2: for Jim rats, you know what I mean, guys, I
Speaker 2: just want to get big, and that's all we would do.
Speaker 2: And I would, like I said, you know, I'd had
Speaker 2: my businesses on the boardwalk, so it was like a
Speaker 2: vacation and I work. I'd work all summer, but it
Speaker 2: was like a vacation and they I would I would
Speaker 2: work out twice a day. It'd be like early, like
Speaker 2: before I would go to the beach, I'd work out,
Speaker 2: and then I would when I would get done bouncing
Speaker 2: at the club at two am, I'd go do another.
Speaker 2: I'd do a small body part before I'd go back
Speaker 2: to my place and go to sleep. So I was
Speaker 2: I wanted to be a bodybuilder. I mean, that's what
Speaker 2: I was getting myself ready for, you know at that point.
Speaker 2: And then like I said, and I found wrestling, and
Speaker 2: you know, there was there was I used to work
Speaker 2: out with Johnny Jackson who's a pro. So, I mean
Speaker 2: I've been I've trained with pro bodybuilders in my day,
Speaker 2: many pro bodybuilders. The lifestyle I have eventually realizes if
Speaker 2: for me. So that's when I realized, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: let me try wrestling to see what happens, you know,
Speaker 2: and and ended up being good because we had good attitudes.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You gotta have you know,
Speaker 2: you don't have to like everybody, but you don't let
Speaker 2: them know you don't like them. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's like you know what I mean, It's like you
Speaker 2: gotta like it's our business is very very very political.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's like you got to
Speaker 2: know how to navigate your way through, you know, and
Speaker 2: be cool with everybody. You know. Robert Fuller would introduce
Speaker 2: me to to Maniac Matt Bourne, and you know when
Speaker 2: I met him, I would meet I would meet Mark
Speaker 2: Callous who's the Undertaker. I met him and said vicious
Speaker 2: together because you know, Robert Fuller training them guys, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, and meeting them, you know, I
Speaker 2: became tight with the Undertaker at a young age, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. He was cool with us, man,
Speaker 2: he liked us. He'd come up with good ideas, and
Speaker 2: I remember one time he's like, man, I want to
Speaker 2: bring you guys in and make these the mad dogs
Speaker 2: from hell. You know what I mean. You're in my yard,
Speaker 2: you're my two dogs. You know what I'm saying. I'd
Speaker 2: come out with you in the chains. But he would
Speaker 2: mention it the Vince, and Vince would say no because
Speaker 2: Vince wouldn't come up with the idea. Because that's how
Speaker 2: Vince says, you know, getting his idea sometimes he you know,
Speaker 2: if it's his idea, you know, you got to make
Speaker 2: him think he came up with it. He'll do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, That's how my boss is the same.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean there's people like that, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. You have to understand in this world,
Speaker 2: they are just people that want to do their own way.
Speaker 3: You know, That's just how it is, so right right,
Speaker 3: you got to push it into their ego, let them think, oh,
Speaker 3: it was my idea, I'm the genius behind this, and
Speaker 3: then yeah, I have.
Speaker 2: No with that man.
Speaker 5: You know, Like the only thing I wish I would
Speaker 5: have did was work for Vince long enough to do
Speaker 5: a WrestleMania or two, and then you know, then did whatever.
Speaker 2: I was gonna do. You know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, once I was leaving ECW, we were going
Speaker 2: to w CW. We were signed that contract with him,
Speaker 2: We already had the deal made. I just remember calling
Speaker 2: Bischoff up to get my flight information and him telling
Speaker 2: me Vince McMahon just bought WCW and he can't sign
Speaker 2: any new talent. And they killed me, Manu. He was
Speaker 2: gonna give me and my partner a three year deal
Speaker 2: for one point five That's a lot of money, man.
Speaker 2: He was paying them guys a lot of funny. Man.
Speaker 2: Back then, Kevin Nash and Scott Hall are making nine
Speaker 2: hundred a piece a year. Because you got to realize,
Speaker 2: Ted Turner use that wrestling company has a write off
Speaker 2: just like ae w's Dylan, you know what I mean
Speaker 2: a w I mean, they're oil money and they own
Speaker 2: the Jaguars, you know, so all their loss is going
Speaker 2: to be the wrestling. You know, that's all a right
Speaker 2: off man. The old man gave it to the Tony
Speaker 2: Kahan and said, here, kid, get out of my hair,
Speaker 2: go do something with your life. You like wrestling, so
Speaker 2: I bought your wrestling company, Now do something, So it's a.
Speaker 4: Better way to put it.
Speaker 1: They own Fulham Football Club?
Speaker 2: Is about that? Please? Yah? Yeah? Yeah, they're they're update
Speaker 2: they like I said to me, that's how I look
Speaker 2: at it, you know, I look at it like he
Speaker 2: probably writes everything off from ae W so they can
Speaker 2: pay all them guys what they pay them, and they
Speaker 2: don't give it. You know, they don't care, you know.
Speaker 2: I I know guys at work there who tell me.
Speaker 2: You know, they're supposed to be agents telling the guys
Speaker 2: what to do, and guys don't listen. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 2: just different error of wrestlers.
Speaker 4: So that's fair.
Speaker 3: Moving on a little bit, so I do want to
Speaker 3: ask you what was your experience like working in ECW
Speaker 3: and working in front of that Philly crowd.
Speaker 2: How did it feel? Man? Awesome? Man, it was great
Speaker 2: because they weren't they were smart, marks they weren't stupid.
Speaker 2: So I mean, working in that building, you have to know.
Speaker 2: If you're not ready for that building and you go
Speaker 2: in there and you say you screw up a spot,
Speaker 2: you know, the crowd will let you know and they'll
Speaker 2: never let you forget about it. So I always tell
Speaker 2: people you know, you know, because they're all happy and young.
Speaker 2: I'm going to that building. I'm going to wrestle there,
Speaker 2: so I'd be very honest them. I said, well, I
Speaker 2: suggest you put your thinking cap on. And they're not
Speaker 2: stupid people, they're smart marks. So if you would try
Speaker 2: to insult their you know, insult their intelligence by doing
Speaker 2: something stupid, they're going to tell you about it. You're
Speaker 2: gonna hear about it, and they'll never gonna let you
Speaker 2: forget about it. So don't mess up. And I always
Speaker 2: tell people that you know, and if you mess up,
Speaker 2: make sure you recover quickly and they'll forgive you.
Speaker 4: That's valid. So what was the creative process? Like with
Speaker 4: Paul Hayman, he.
Speaker 2: Would tell us what he wanted and then give us
Speaker 2: the opportunity would Now this is something Vince wouldn't do.
Speaker 2: Give us the opportunity of using our own imagination what
Speaker 2: we've been taught in this business to do, and put
Speaker 2: our you know, our five six cents into what we're doing,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And we're part of the
Speaker 2: creative part, which was fantastic. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Nobody you know who does that and don't do that man.
Speaker 2: I mean I used to remember working for them and
Speaker 2: they would Pritchard would come up to me, Bruce. You know,
Speaker 2: you gotta remember Bruce was working for Vince McMahon when
Speaker 2: he was eighteen years old, so he understood me and
Speaker 2: Anthony because we were young. You know. They would tell
Speaker 2: They would tell me and Anthony, you guys, you guys
Speaker 2: got fifteen minutes, you know what I mean, have a
Speaker 2: good match, you know. And when we get up to
Speaker 2: the curtain, he would look at us and be like,
Speaker 2: all right, four minutes, you know, and then we're looking
Speaker 2: at each other, like four minutes. We talked about a
Speaker 2: match for fifteen How we got to cut it down
Speaker 2: to four minutes? And it's like, okay, go you know
Speaker 2: that's how That's how hard it was for us to learn.
Speaker 2: And that's the position. They what I said, Because TV
Speaker 2: is very important, we realized, you know, every minute counts.
Speaker 2: So it's you know, when Bruce Pritcher is sitting there
Speaker 2: looking at the monitors and he tells Bret Hart to
Speaker 2: go out there and cut a promo for five minutes
Speaker 2: and come out. Brent's out there for fifteen minutes, and
Speaker 2: you know, Bruce Pritcher's pulling his hair out, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, losing his mind because you're losing all
Speaker 2: that time, you know, and that's a lot of time.
Speaker 2: So you know, he could trust guys like Triple Ags.
Speaker 2: He could trust guys like Heartbreak Kid, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Sean Michaels, because you know they knew to
Speaker 2: keep to their times, you know what I'm saying. That's
Speaker 2: how it was back in the day. You know, I'd
Speaker 2: go to shows back in the day and first match,
Speaker 2: I mean, they don't even want to see a clothesline,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, A couple of arm drags,
Speaker 2: maybe a body slam, you know what I mean. That's
Speaker 2: about it, man, you know, save the rest of the
Speaker 2: killing for the main event. At Rick Flair, tell me that.
Speaker 3: Interesting, interesting, Scully, go for it man.
Speaker 1: Yes, I was going to ask, like, obviously you went
Speaker 1: from wrestling normal matches to hardcore wrestling. What was that
Speaker 1: like using weapons and such?
Speaker 2: Uh? We were okay with it. I mean, I'd loved
Speaker 2: breaking tables, ladders and share I hate ladders, I mean,
Speaker 2: but i'd like the chairs. I liked like breaking tables.
Speaker 2: I mean I was in the barbed wire baseball bats.
Speaker 2: I mean sometimes if I if I go to Japan
Speaker 2: for fm W or Wings that was a very hardcore company,
Speaker 2: h a lot of weapons in that company as well.
Speaker 2: Then both of those companies, uh knew Japan was more.
Speaker 2: You know, you're going against Master Chono. You know, I'm wrestling.
Speaker 2: I'm doing an hour against uh Under Lagger. You know.
Speaker 2: They would tell me forty five minutes pit bull against Lagger,
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm like, holy, you know, thank God,
Speaker 2: I was in good shape, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I was. You know, I made sure I was in
Speaker 2: great shape before I even went to Japan, you know,
Speaker 2: because I was told ahead of time, you know, you
Speaker 2: better be able to do five hundred free squads and
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, you should better be ready
Speaker 2: to do an hour. You know what I mean is
Speaker 2: what I was told. So me and my partner were
Speaker 2: in JAT when we first went to Japan, man, I mean,
Speaker 2: we were in shape like motherfucker. I mean, we looked
Speaker 2: like bodybuilders, but we were wrestling shape ready. Three week tour,
Speaker 2: first tour, it was rough. We were there with the
Speaker 2: Killer Bees, the Samoan SWAT team which was Yoka Zuna
Speaker 2: and Sambu, the Canadian Canadian guys who was Lafont and
Speaker 2: Doug Furnace, great tag team, Ben Ben wahb would be
Speaker 2: there with us. Jericho Owen Hart, Dean Malenko, Eddie Guerrero,
Speaker 2: Sad Boo. I mean that was the clique that we
Speaker 2: kind of hung with, me and my partner because we
Speaker 2: were all short guys five nine, five ten. You know,
Speaker 2: we weren't big guys. We were you know, short guys,
Speaker 2: but we do it. Just made up for it, you know,
Speaker 2: in our moves and whatever we did. You know, Steiners
Speaker 2: also would be there with us, you know Bam Bam,
Speaker 2: Invader Chung Lee who you know, Master Chono, Master Saito,
Speaker 2: Tiger Jet Singh's dad. Okay, I mean I got to
Speaker 2: work with these guys. You know, these guys were silver
Speaker 2: medal gold medalists, silver medalists. You know, I hurt myself
Speaker 2: one night. I blew my hamstring. Man I remember, no,
Speaker 2: actually I blew my quad. My knee was blown. He
Speaker 2: was shot and masters it was a zuki, Yeah, the
Speaker 2: one that was in the Olympics and won a silver medal.
Speaker 2: He saw my knee and was like really pissed off.
Speaker 2: He was just like, what happened? And I told him
Speaker 2: what happened, and he started he started hitting Tiger jet
Speaker 2: seing one of the referees Tiger, and he was like,
Speaker 2: why didn't you take him to the hospital, you know,
Speaker 2: And he's like, WHOA, I don't know, you know, He's like,
Speaker 2: take him the hospital, you know. So he told me
Speaker 2: to the hospital. They didn't did just gave me regular
Speaker 2: X rays. They didn't give me an MRI, so they
Speaker 2: couldn't see what was really wrong with my knee. So
Speaker 2: to them, they're just like, oh, bad bruise, bad bruise.
Speaker 2: So I didn't care because I didn't want to get
Speaker 2: sent home, you know. I wanted to still stay. So
Speaker 2: I just kept icing it and icing and icing it
Speaker 2: until the swellen went down, and then I'd had the
Speaker 2: black Cat. He was called the black Cat. He was
Speaker 2: a tape master, Like he knew how he could tape,
Speaker 2: Like I tore a hamstring once and he would tape
Speaker 2: my hamstring and I'd give me it. He would tape
Speaker 2: a hamstring to my body so I could still work.
Speaker 2: That's how amazing this guy was. So what I told
Speaker 2: him to do is I can't. I had dead leg.
Speaker 2: I couldn't raise my like sitting down. I could not
Speaker 2: raise my foot, okay, because my quad was completely torn off.
Speaker 2: So what I told him to do is tape it
Speaker 2: like a fin peg leg, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: like a stiff leg. So that's what he did. Because
Speaker 2: we had to wrestle Haasei and Sasaki in the Tokyo
Speaker 2: Dome in front of sixty five thousand people. And I
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna miss that, you know what I mean. Hurt
Speaker 2: or not hurt, I still wrestled. We lost, but we
Speaker 2: cut the ring off. We wrestled smart, and I still
Speaker 2: we still got the respect from the fans because I
Speaker 2: mean they would come up to us and they said, look,
Speaker 2: we understand you lost, but you had a good fight
Speaker 2: and you didn't back down. You still fall even though
Speaker 2: you were hurt. I had one leg. I still would
Speaker 2: body slam them, you know, fall to the ground, roll,
Speaker 2: use my other leg, kick them out of the ring,
Speaker 2: you know, roll outside the ring. You know. You know
Speaker 2: I'm hobbling around, but I'm still picking them up and
Speaker 2: body slamming them on the concrete. I don't care. Then
Speaker 2: I would tag Anthony and throw him right back in.
Speaker 2: You know, we would just cut the ring off. I
Speaker 2: mean it was a good match, you know, we lost,
Speaker 2: but we still got the respect of the fans. They
Speaker 2: liked us anyway, so they would. That's how it is
Speaker 2: in Japan. They respect you even though win, lose, or draw,
Speaker 2: as long as you don't act like a baby and
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying and do something stupid where
Speaker 2: they make fun of you. If you're tough and you
Speaker 2: give it your all, and they see that because they
Speaker 2: sit there and watch you work, they don't clap unless
Speaker 2: you do something to impress them, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Just silence, man, You can hear a pen drop, and
Speaker 2: so you do something where they all will stand up
Speaker 2: and clap for you. That's how it was when I
Speaker 2: was there. Man, it was very different than.
Speaker 3: The States I see, and that's pretty cool. I'm glad
Speaker 3: that you got to have that experience over in Japan.
Speaker 3: The Japanese crowd is very interesting. But one thing that
Speaker 3: I do want to ask you, because we're coming kind
Speaker 3: of close on time here, and one important question at
Speaker 3: least to me, if you could have one last dream
Speaker 3: match as the pit Bulls and to go against anybody
Speaker 3: from history, who would you choose.
Speaker 2: What we want. Tag teams of later days or tag
Speaker 2: teams of.
Speaker 3: Today, anytime you want, and you can even go with
Speaker 3: more than one if you'd like.
Speaker 2: Well, you gotta remember we worked with almost everybody. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I would say I would like to live go on
Speaker 2: against the young Bucks. I think they'd be fun work
Speaker 2: to work with. Me and my partner would have a
Speaker 2: good time with them. The guy remember the Briscoes, and
Speaker 2: you know they used to come to my school. So
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I'm a tag team specialist,
Speaker 2: so I trained a lot of tag teams man in
Speaker 2: my day. Uh. Probably. I don't think we ever worked
Speaker 2: demolition Okay, yeah, I never worked dem militia. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: I like I said, people don't realize how many guys,
Speaker 2: how many people we've been in the ring with. Man,
Speaker 2: it's you know, I can tell you that I can
Speaker 2: just go off. Roujo Brothers, Heart Foundation, British Bulldogs. You
Speaker 2: named the tag team we went against them? All Money,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, dB Irs, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, The Windham Brothers, the Malinkos, the Fantastics, the
Speaker 2: Rock and Roll Express, Steiners, Lesion of Doom. You name
Speaker 2: the tag team we went against them.
Speaker 3: It's really hard to say, you know, it's fair Scully.
Speaker 3: Any last questions before we start wrapping up.
Speaker 1: Not really. I was just gonna say, obviously, back when
Speaker 1: you as a team, there's a lot of proper tag teams,
Speaker 1: there isn't as many anymore. Why do you think the
Speaker 1: tag team division's not as prominent?
Speaker 4: I guess, good question.
Speaker 2: Well, I remember in Vince McMahon's mind, he would always
Speaker 2: be like, you know, I got to pay four guys
Speaker 2: instead of two guys. You see what I'm saying. So
Speaker 2: he was killing the he was killing the tag team
Speaker 2: division when he CW was bringing the tag team division back. Okay,
Speaker 2: in W, CW was bringing it back. I mean when
Speaker 2: they signed, when they were going to sign us, they
Speaker 2: were signing us for the December pay per view was
Speaker 2: going to be our first night out, and they were
Speaker 2: putting us against the Steiners and the Steiners were dropping
Speaker 2: the belts to the Pitbulls on Christmas Night pay per view.
Speaker 2: That's what they told us, and that's why we said, well,
Speaker 2: sign a three year deal, no problem, because I knew
Speaker 2: once we signed that three year deal, I knew we
Speaker 2: would get another three year deal. I knew he would,
Speaker 2: so then we were going to retire and we were done,
Speaker 2: so unless Vince went to bring us back, like ninety eight,
Speaker 2: he called us up. They put us against the head Bangers.
Speaker 2: We had a pretty good match. I thought we had
Speaker 2: a great match, very easy. They were going to put
Speaker 2: Terry Reynolds as our manager and they were supposed to
Speaker 2: bring us back, but then they never did. So that's
Speaker 2: when I moved to Melbourne, Australia, and I worked for
Speaker 2: Hardcore Championship Wrestling there and I was there for almost
Speaker 2: a year, and we were the tag team champs there.
Speaker 2: And the guys that were there were no slouches. The
Speaker 2: Bruce Brothers were there, the Samoans were there, the Canadian
Speaker 2: tag team was there, the city else who else was there?
Speaker 2: The Headhunters, I say the Headhunters. Headhunters. They had a
Speaker 2: good tag We had to get a really good tag
Speaker 2: team division there. And they put the straps on us.
Speaker 2: Just like Puerto Rico. They put the straps on us. Man.
Speaker 2: We always, I don't care where we were, we got
Speaker 2: the straps, you know, especially down South. They threw the
Speaker 2: belts on us in South Atlantic. You know, we were
Speaker 2: in the stud stable with the with the tag belts,
Speaker 2: nasty boys chasing us all. They always wanted the heels
Speaker 2: to hold the belts and have the baby faces chase them.
Speaker 2: That's how it was, old school style. So being a heeled,
Speaker 2: they would always throw the belts on us, you know,
Speaker 2: So it was cool. I had no problem with it.
Speaker 3: You know, that's valid. I really like that. And you know,
Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you. I feel like this is
Speaker 3: the most genuine interview that I've had you seen. I'm
Speaker 3: like a very genuine person with all this information. You're
Speaker 3: just giving it to us as it was from how
Speaker 3: you were back then, and it's just how it is.
Speaker 4: I kind of like this, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't tell you what it did three
Speaker 2: minutes ago, but I know I remember my that happened
Speaker 2: a long time ago, man, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like Sam Man always says, how do you get remembered
Speaker 2: as shit? I'm like, I I mean, I get up
Speaker 2: and go in the kitchen. I don't know what I
Speaker 2: got up for, you know, because I've had so many concussions,
Speaker 2: but I remember what happened in the past, which is
Speaker 2: crazy because a lot of guys, I mean, I could
Speaker 2: see it on their face. They feel bad because they
Speaker 2: don't remember, because that's how you messed up. We were
Speaker 2: not much. We partied. I mean, you got to remember
Speaker 2: when I was in the Vince McMahon's locker room in
Speaker 2: they ate the late eighties. They didn't even have a
Speaker 2: drug policy yet, they weren't even testing anybody yet. Okay,
Speaker 2: it was insanity. Man. When I walked in that locker room,
Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, you know. And then eventually and
Speaker 2: all the other locker rooms it wasn't like that. And
Speaker 2: then next thing you know, I'm in the E. CW
Speaker 2: locker room, And what a different locker room that was.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean I was in the Philly Click,
Speaker 2: so you know, we were like the city was me
Speaker 2: and my partner, City Bro. I ran all the security
Speaker 2: and all the night clubs there. So anytime we were
Speaker 2: in Philly and we went out afterwards, I would take
Speaker 2: everybody out with us, you know, and we'd get in
Speaker 2: the clubs for free. We drank for free. I mean,
Speaker 2: we had everything handed to us, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That's why I remember, you know, Vince called us that
Speaker 2: in ninety eight and we went I mean Dwayne to
Speaker 2: Rod Johnson I remember Dwayne when he was a little kid.
Speaker 2: He was like ten years old or something, you know,
Speaker 2: or twelve years old, and I met him. Next thing
Speaker 2: I know, I see him in the locker room. He's
Speaker 2: a grown man now and he's like, come on, man,
Speaker 2: Pitt Bulls, you're gonna take me out. You're gonna take
Speaker 2: me out, right, take me out, Philly, show me a
Speaker 2: good time, you know. And I look at Anthony, I'm like,
Speaker 2: do I'm not. We're not taking you out, man. All
Speaker 2: we gotta do is take you out, and you get
Speaker 2: in trouble. What's gonna happen? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Rocky Johnson's gonna be knocking on my door. Oh man,
Speaker 2: I ain't having that, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 2: don't want to get in trouble. You know. Then Heartbreak
Speaker 2: kid would be like, you know, Seawan Michaels. You know,
Speaker 2: he's like, oh, Marty told me about you guys. You
Speaker 2: know you guys are partiers. Man, You're gonna take me out,
Speaker 2: take me out. I look at my partner and I'll
Speaker 2: be blunt. You know, why would I take Shawn Michaels out.
Speaker 2: So then the next day he tells everybody what we did,
Speaker 2: you know, just to show on us, you know, make
Speaker 2: us get in trouble, and Vince don't want to hire us,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, So what do we do?
Speaker 2: We were tight with Steve Austin, he's my boy. You
Speaker 2: would be at my house. He would come. Steve Austin
Speaker 2: would come hang out with me at my house before
Speaker 2: we would go to the E CW Arena because I
Speaker 2: was only about ten blocks away my house, So we
Speaker 2: would party at my place. Rick Rude Mango, anybody that
Speaker 2: went through ECW would always be at my house, in
Speaker 2: the pit Bulls house, and we you know, and that's
Speaker 2: that's how it was. I mean, we had a reputation.
Speaker 2: If you're in Philadelphia, get with the pit Bulls and
Speaker 2: you're gonna have a good time. Hell yeah.
Speaker 3: But uh, all right, So we're getting towards the end
Speaker 3: of the show here, So last question that we will
Speaker 3: ask you interview wise, sir, do you have any recommendations
Speaker 3: for the audience this week?
Speaker 4: So it can be.
Speaker 3: Anything, movie, TV show, video game, poem, recipe, food, cat breed.
Speaker 3: I don't care. Anything that really says something about you.
Speaker 2: Man. Well, I had to change my diet recently, and
Speaker 2: I love pizza. So I decided what can I do
Speaker 2: to satisfy that urge without get you know, without calls
Speaker 2: and problems than my health. So I buy a couple
Speaker 2: pounds of ground chick in, put it in a pan,
Speaker 2: flatten it as flat as I possibly can. I bake that.
Speaker 2: Take that out, so you got that's that instead of
Speaker 2: having dough, that's what I use chicken. Then I throw sauce, cheese,
Speaker 2: everything that you want on a pizza back in the
Speaker 2: oven for about fifteen to twenty minutes. Take it out.
Speaker 2: It's like a chicken parm So you guys can eat
Speaker 2: your pizza cheat and still get your protein. So that's
Speaker 2: my secret recipe that I'm giving out to you guys. Awesome,
Speaker 2: great right before I put it before I put my
Speaker 2: cookbook out. But don't forget brothers. Also, just so you know,
Speaker 2: I am interested in wrestling the Billington Boys. Really, yeah,
Speaker 2: I do have a I just signed a new tag
Speaker 2: team partner. He's pit Bull three because pit Bull two
Speaker 2: did pass away in two thousand and three. So I
Speaker 2: just signed finally a pit Bull three, and uh, we
Speaker 2: are interested in going against the Billington Boys, So step up,
Speaker 2: shut up getting the ring with the pit Bulls. I
Speaker 2: think we'll make history like we did with the Bulldogs.
Speaker 2: I think it would be a good thing. I love Dynamite.
Speaker 2: He was a really cool dude. I got along with
Speaker 2: him and Davy Boy very much. Also, I own the
Speaker 2: Women's Hall of Fame and I own the Tag Team
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. And we're gonna be inducting Soreya Page's mom, Julia.
Speaker 2: Is that her name her first name?
Speaker 4: I think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, We're gonna be inducting her into the Women's Wrestling
Speaker 2: Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame, and we're gonna make her
Speaker 2: part of the pit Bulls Mad Dogs of War. So
Speaker 2: when we need a girl, she's going to wrestle with us.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna use some England people with us. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Awesome?
Speaker 3: Awesome, And where can some people reach you to talk
Speaker 3: about this kind of stuff. We're just get in contact
Speaker 3: with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just hit me up my Facebook page pit Bull,
Speaker 2: it says Gary Wolf, and you'll see me standing there. Also,
Speaker 2: I have an email pit Bull lowercase GW six seven
Speaker 2: GW gmail dot com. Like I said, you guys are
Speaker 2: looking for a good read Amazon Walmart, you name it,
Speaker 2: Barnes and Noble. Everybody's got my book out, Go get
Speaker 2: the book. I'm trying to get number one. I'm a
Speaker 2: number six right now out of wrestling books. I want
Speaker 2: to get to be number one. So let's get that
Speaker 2: and I'm going to make that happen. I'm still doing signings.
Speaker 2: I'm still doing wrestling in the ring. Any promoters need
Speaker 2: to get in touch with me, they can go through you.
Speaker 2: You can contact me, brother, I have no problem with that.
Speaker 3: Whatever goes to so o yeah, man, greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Scully. Do you have any recommendations for this week?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: That's all right, I'll cover for you.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: So I tried something interesting this week, something I never
Speaker 3: thought I would try. Kangaroo steak. If anybody can get
Speaker 3: out there and get your hands on some give it
Speaker 3: a try.
Speaker 4: It's not bad, mister Wolf. Have you ever tried any No?
Speaker 2: I did a Buffalo Burgers in California and they were amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I never did kangaroo. Some Owens took me out in Japan,
Speaker 2: me and my partner our first tour, and they ribbed us.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you a little quick story. They ribbed us
Speaker 2: and said we're gonna buy steaks and we're like, oh cool,
Speaker 2: you know. So you know, we eat like two each
Speaker 2: and next thing, you know, we started feeling funny. We're like, man,
Speaker 2: I don't feel right, you know, and he's like, well, yah,
Speaker 2: and enough horse tonight for like two weeks. And I
Speaker 2: was like what. He's like, yeah, you ate horse. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, I got sick and throw
Speaker 2: up man, because I felt like I was going to
Speaker 2: pug anyway. So they got me good on that, me
Speaker 2: and my partner.
Speaker 4: So that's pretty odd.
Speaker 2: I don't advise that. I don't advise that.
Speaker 1: I did eat some that was nice yesterday actually, which
Speaker 1: I've never had. And it was called a two in
Speaker 1: one pie, okay, So it was like in a big
Speaker 1: pot like this. We had it at like a pub
Speaker 1: restaurant near me, and it was eighteen pounds for a
Speaker 1: large one. It's just like that. And it was half
Speaker 1: and half in the pot, so half of it I
Speaker 1: had steak and kidney in there and this half was
Speaker 1: cauliflower and cheese, and then on the top of here
Speaker 1: it had a bit of pastry and it was really nice.
Speaker 1: The only sad thing is it would have been better
Speaker 1: if I had pastry around the side as well.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was good to be good, sounds good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's nice. I know I was very full up
Speaker 1: after having a couple of siders with it as well.
Speaker 3: Of course that's about But all right, so Scully, where
Speaker 3: can the people reach you?
Speaker 2: Men?
Speaker 1: Well, wherever they want on X which I don't really
Speaker 1: go on anymore. I'm on their Mike riscally eighty six,
Speaker 1: and I'm also on TikTok as you know, I do
Speaker 1: silly videos MAV and yeah, that's about it really, and
Speaker 1: I think we're going to make a Vessel Magic channel, aren't.
Speaker 4: We looking to at some point?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'd like to make a YouTube channel and a
Speaker 3: TikTok if we can soon. But yeah, enough about that
Speaker 3: for the moment. You guys know where to reach me
Speaker 3: at maintenance MAV on Twitter. Like I always say before
Speaker 3: signing off, do some nice for somebody. Never know who
Speaker 3: needs it out there, somebody always.
Speaker 2: Always be humble, guys always.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, definitely definitely. But yeah, no, where's are my
Speaker 3: friend Memphis Mark?
Speaker 2: We're out.
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