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<v Speaker 1>In September of twenty fifteen, the quiet Mountain communities of

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<v Speaker 1>Blairmore and Coleman in Alberta, Canada were shaken by a

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<v Speaker 1>series of violent crimes that unfolded over the course of

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<v Speaker 1>less than a week. It began with the murder of

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<v Speaker 1>a sixty nine year old woman living alone, followed days

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<v Speaker 1>later by the killing of a young father in the

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<v Speaker 1>disappearance of his two year old daughter. What started as

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<v Speaker 1>separate investigations quickly merged into one of the most disturbing

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<v Speaker 1>criminal cases the area had ever seen, and as police

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<v Speaker 1>searched for a missing child under a multi province hamber alert,

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<v Speaker 1>they soon also uncovered tips and evidence that pointed to

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<v Speaker 1>a perpetrator within the very family of those who called

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<v Speaker 1>in the tips. This is a story of murder and abduction.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the story of the monster known as Derek Sureski.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim, a true crime podcast. Warning.

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<v Speaker 1>The following material intend more matual audience listener discretion.

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<v Speaker 2>It was our Honey's Gotcha Day this week.

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<v Speaker 1>It was If you don't know what a gotcha day.

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<v Speaker 2>Is, We're going to tell you three years of basically

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<v Speaker 2>having Honey in our life officially from adoption.

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<v Speaker 1>And Honey is our dog for the record, one of

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<v Speaker 1>our dogs. So yeah, the gotcha day is like the

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<v Speaker 1>anniversary of when we officially adopted, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we don't actually know her birthday per se, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we just celebrate her gotcha day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, three years with a little honey bunny.

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<v Speaker 2>Be oh, and this is the longest she's ever been

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<v Speaker 2>with a home because previously she had been with one

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<v Speaker 2>for a year and then another one with two years.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think it's a big one because it marks

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<v Speaker 2>like the longest the longest time, and it's just going

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<v Speaker 2>to carry on, hun because we're not getting rid of you,

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<v Speaker 2>that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also actually managed to celebrate that day by

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<v Speaker 1>getting a tattoo of a honeybee or honey. I also

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<v Speaker 1>got a couple other tattoos and related to other animals

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<v Speaker 1>we have ripley, I always color my sweetheart, so I

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<v Speaker 1>got like one of those little like candy super cute

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<v Speaker 1>candy like hearts that's his sweetheart on it. And then

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, I got some other tattoos too, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>those are the ones that I think pertained to this conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is pretty cool way to celebrate a dog's

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<v Speaker 2>gotcha day? It is.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't, honestly, it was an accident that had just happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I booked the pointment.

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<v Speaker 2>I pointed it out to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, you were like you realized that's her,

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh, well, I'm getting a tattoo

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<v Speaker 1>for her on her gotcha day.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess yeah. I made her homemade dog cookies. But

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't seem as cool as getting a tattooed now, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Either way, We're happy that she's on her life. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you guys are ever able, we highly recommend adopting

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<v Speaker 1>an animal from a shelter. They are highly in need

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<v Speaker 1>and if you can ever help them, we definitely havevocate

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<v Speaker 1>for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this was our We have had adopted cats previously,

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<v Speaker 2>but this was our first adopted dog. Previously, we had

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<v Speaker 2>gotten our other two as puppies, so it's quite different.

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<v Speaker 1>It does.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of it's really a nice feeling actually to

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<v Speaker 2>give them this new life.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really nice. But also something else that's really nice

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<v Speaker 1>is the Olympic ceremonies are starting today. Yes, opening ceremony

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<v Speaker 1>the Olympics are officially starting over in Italy, So good

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<v Speaker 1>luck to all the participants, whatever country you're involved in.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it's going to be a good games. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really looking forward to, of course hockey. I mean we're

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<v Speaker 1>hockey people in Canadians, so that just kind of goes

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<v Speaker 1>without saying, and yeah, it's going.

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<v Speaker 3>To be good.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what a big deal for all those athletes that

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<v Speaker 2>made the freaking Olympics, even if they think their performance

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<v Speaker 2>isn't like their best or something, right, I think I

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<v Speaker 2>know someone already got injured just in their prelim stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>which sucks, but they still were that good that they

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<v Speaker 2>freaking made the Olympics, which that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool, bonkers. So I want to just dedicate this drink

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<v Speaker 1>to all the Olympians who are out there doing their

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<v Speaker 1>best representing their country. Even if you unfortunately, hey don't

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<v Speaker 1>get to go far, you get injured, whatever, you still

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<v Speaker 1>made it to the Olympics. And that's one hell of

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<v Speaker 1>a big deal. So I'm raising the glass to you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, cheers to them. I'm looking forward to watching this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be really good. But we do have

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting case today, Oh yeah, we do. And an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting scenario because you usually don't know much about the cases,

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<v Speaker 1>if anything at all, But this case, you watched the

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<v Speaker 1>documentary and you recommended it, so you know a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about this case as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this might happen a little bit more now that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of taking a bit more of a role

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<v Speaker 2>in Wicked and Grim and helping fine cases and stuff, right, well,

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<v Speaker 2>the back end of Wicked and Grim, I should say. So,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been indulging in some true crime cases to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of for recommendations. And this is a frickin' gooder.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a doozy. It's bad though, So and I do

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<v Speaker 1>want to say, I mean, we gave enough trigger warnings

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<v Speaker 1>in the intro. Just take the intro to heart when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to any sort of trigger warnings for today.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I'll let you know that. But if you're ready,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a case that needs to be heard, so

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<v Speaker 2>let's do it.

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<v Speaker 3>So.

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<v Speaker 1>In the late summer of twenty fifteen, the Crow's Nest

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<v Speaker 1>Pass felt much the same as it always had. September

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<v Speaker 1>in southwestern Alberta, Canada usually arrives quietly the heat of August. Here, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it faded mornings were starting to be cooler, and people

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<v Speaker 1>started to pull the light jackets out from the back

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<v Speaker 1>of their closets again. And the mountains that surrounded the town,

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<v Speaker 1>like Blairmore and Coleman, they were still green, but hints

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<v Speaker 1>of autumn were beginning to show with some pops of

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<v Speaker 1>yellow in the trees. Nights also came a little earlier

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<v Speaker 1>in the air well it felt sharper. It had that

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<v Speaker 1>familiar autumn scent that was beginning to linger just a

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<v Speaker 1>bit in the mornings. Winter was still a ways away,

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone who lived there knew it was coming, though,

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<v Speaker 1>but life in the past it still moved at a

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<v Speaker 1>casual pace. Most people knew their neighbors and recognized each

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<v Speaker 1>other's vehicles. They ran into the same faces at the

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<v Speaker 1>grocery store, in the gas station and local restaurants. News

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<v Speaker 1>here had a habit of traveling very quickly, usually through

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<v Speaker 1>conversations rather than headlines. For families, routines were simple and

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<v Speaker 1>very predictable. Parents worked their shifts and kids were settling

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<v Speaker 1>back into daycare or preschool. Evenings were spent cooking dinner,

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<v Speaker 1>watching television, or walking dogs before dark. Weekends this time

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<v Speaker 1>of year meant people were getting ready for things like

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<v Speaker 1>hunting season, and still enjoying backyard barbecues and drives through

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<v Speaker 1>the mountains. It was the kind of place where nothing

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<v Speaker 1>much seemed to change from one week to the next.

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<v Speaker 1>In blairmore small rental homes and modest houses lined quiet streets,

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<v Speaker 1>and in Coleman, older trailers and cottages sat closer together,

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<v Speaker 1>many of them owned by people who had lived there

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<v Speaker 1>for decades. These weren't towns were people expected surprises. Serious

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<v Speaker 1>crimes were extremely rare, and most problems were handled with

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<v Speaker 1>a simple phone call or a conversation, or even a

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<v Speaker 1>knock on the neighbor's door. By early September, children were

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<v Speaker 1>getting into their new school schedules, parents were adjusting their routines,

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<v Speaker 1>and summer vacation was officially over. Life was settling back

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<v Speaker 1>into that familiar rhythm. No one knew that within days

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<v Speaker 1>that rhythm would be shattered, that police car search teams

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<v Speaker 1>and national news media crews would soon be filling their streets.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, it was just another quiet stretch of

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<v Speaker 1>late summer in the small Canadian community where people went

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<v Speaker 1>to work, took care of their families, and assumed tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>would look a lot like it did today. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the evening of September ninth, twenty fifteen. Not The small

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<v Speaker 1>town of Coleman, Alberta, was quiet in a way it

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<v Speaker 1>usually was. With a population of only a few hundred people,

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<v Speaker 1>most residents knew each other by name. Hannah Mattek lived

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<v Speaker 1>in Coleman for years. She was sixty nine years old

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<v Speaker 1>and well known in the community. Originally from Copenhagen, she

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<v Speaker 1>had built a quiet life in southern Alberta, and she

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<v Speaker 1>was known for being independent, strong willed, and involved in

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<v Speaker 1>local activities. She worked at a thrift store, helped others

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<v Speaker 1>when she could, and she earned a reputation as someone

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<v Speaker 1>who didn't shy away from speaking her mind. Friends and

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<v Speaker 1>neighbors described her as kind but also tough, especially when

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<v Speaker 1>she felt that she was being treated unfairly. But essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>what they're saying is she's the kind of person we

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<v Speaker 1>all hope to be when we start growing a little older.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, There's nothing wrong with sticking up for yourself exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>She's strong willed, tough minded, and she ain't going to

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<v Speaker 1>take no shit from nobody.

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<v Speaker 2>Sort of thing which I respect.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that now. On that night of September ninth,

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<v Speaker 1>Hannah was at home in her trailer preparing for bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometime late that night, someone broke into her home. Investigators

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<v Speaker 1>would later determine that the door had been forced open.

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<v Speaker 1>The doorframe had shown clear signs of damage, suggesting that

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<v Speaker 1>the person whoever entered did so forcefully rather than by invitation,

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<v Speaker 1>and once inside, the person confronted Hannah in her bedroom

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<v Speaker 1>and attacked. According to the medical examiner's findings, Hannah suffered

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<v Speaker 1>multiple blunt force injuries to her head. Investigators believed that

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<v Speaker 1>she had likely been struck with a heavy object, possibly

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<v Speaker 1>a baseball bat, and in addition to her head injuries,

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<v Speaker 1>she was stabbed twice in the neck and had superficial

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<v Speaker 1>cuts across her throat. There was also defensive wounds present

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<v Speaker 1>on her hands and arms, which indicated that she tried

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<v Speaker 1>to fight back against whoever this was that it entered

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<v Speaker 1>her home. Blood was all throughout the layout of her

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<v Speaker 1>home and of the scene. It suggested a very vicious

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<v Speaker 1>struggle rather than a quick and controlled attack. Nothing of

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<v Speaker 1>value appeared to be taken. There were no signs of theft,

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<v Speaker 1>no indication that robbery had been a motive. Nothing like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Some time later, after the attack, a neighbor noticed that

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<v Speaker 1>something was wrong. On the morning of September tenth. The

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<v Speaker 1>neighbor saw that the door to Hannah's trailer was left open,

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<v Speaker 1>which was unusual, so concerned that something might be wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>they contacted police, and when officers arrived and entered the home,

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<v Speaker 1>they discovered Hannah's body inside, along with the horrific bloody scene.

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<v Speaker 1>The Royal Canadian Mounted Police or the RCMP, secured the

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<v Speaker 1>area and forensic teams were quickly called in. They documented

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<v Speaker 1>the damage to the door, the blood pattern inside the trailer,

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<v Speaker 1>and the position of Hannah's body. The sheer brutality of

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<v Speaker 1>the assault alone stood out immediately. Even the experienced officers

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<v Speaker 1>on scene had a little trouble with this despite it,

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<v Speaker 1>Although their efforts everything, they couldn't do much. There was

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<v Speaker 1>no obvious suspect. It didn't lead anywhere right away. Hannah

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<v Speaker 1>had lived alone, she had known enemies. There was no

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<v Speaker 1>clear personal dispute that explained what had happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Her ex husband and another individual who had recently been

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<v Speaker 1>released from custody, were briefly considered as possible persons of interest,

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<v Speaker 1>but both were eventually ruled out. At the time, police

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<v Speaker 1>had a little to work with beyond the physical evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that was left behind. There were no public reports of

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<v Speaker 1>suspicious vehicles in the area, no witnesses that came forward

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<v Speaker 1>when they do find a suspect. In the days that followed,

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<v Speaker 1>officers continued working the case quietly, but no one knew

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<v Speaker 1>yet that this would be only the first part of

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<v Speaker 1>something much larger. At this point, Hannah's murderer stood alone,

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<v Speaker 1>but within five days that would change.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know too much about Hannah's murder, but I

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<v Speaker 2>than in bigger cities. Like I've lived in quite a

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<v Speaker 2>few small towns growing up, and yeah, something like this

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<v Speaker 2>happening when everyone knows each other. I don't know, it

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<v Speaker 2>just hits so much different.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's like hitting within a community rather than like

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<v Speaker 1>a large city. Large cities don't get me wrong, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just as tragic when someone passes away and gets murdered.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's so much easier to overlook.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so much easier.

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<v Speaker 3>You probably didn't know the person kind of thing, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>or just assume you know they you know what, they

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<v Speaker 2>But in a.

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<v Speaker 1>Community like this, it's your neighbor, it's your your cousin's friend,

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<v Speaker 1>or someone you went fishing with last.

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<v Speaker 2>Year, or the lady that works at the thrift store.

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<v Speaker 1>Those sort of things, so it becomes much more personal

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<v Speaker 1>and close to home. And you're right, it hits so

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<v Speaker 1>much harder, so much harder.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and even a bit more scary, I suppose to,

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<v Speaker 2>because the suspect pool, you know, is a little bit less,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's like who did this? Yeah? Now.

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<v Speaker 1>In the early morning hours of Monday, September fourteenth, twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>the town of Blairmore was quiet, in the way it

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<v Speaker 1>Blenchett's home were awakened by an unfamiliar sound. One resident

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<v Speaker 1>later told police that he heard what sounded like metal

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<v Speaker 1>being struck or kicked, possibly sheets of roofing material that

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<v Speaker 1>had been stacked nearby. Others reported hearing noise coming from

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<v Speaker 1>looked outside, they noticed a white commercial style van parked.

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<v Speaker 2>In the area.

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<v Speaker 1>One neighbor even said that it was sitting in the

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<v Speaker 1>driveway of an elderly resident who didn't drive, which made

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<v Speaker 1>the presence of it just a little more unusual. And remember,

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<v Speaker 1>Blairmore is a small town here, people were accustomed to

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<v Speaker 1>seeing familiar vehicles. This one, on the other hand, it

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<v Speaker 1>stood out much more. But as much as it was odd,

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<v Speaker 1>the sound that followed, well, it was even more so.

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<v Speaker 1>At least one neighbor reported hearing what sounded like a

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<v Speaker 1>child crying or maybe whimpering. The noise was faint but

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<v Speaker 1>noticeable in the stillness of the early morning. Some witnesses

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<v Speaker 1>believe they may have heard an adult voice as well,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly trying to calm the child, though no one could

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<v Speaker 1>be certain now at the time that this was actually happening,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no clear reason to be believe that a

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<v Speaker 1>serious crime was taking place. Blairmore was considered a very

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<v Speaker 1>safe community. Strange noises could be explained by many ordinary situations.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, someone leaving for work, early vehicle problems, or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a late night delivery. Who knows. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>plethora of different things, and without any obvious signs of

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<v Speaker 1>danger or concern, people simply just went back to sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>Some witnesses did say they saw the van leave the area,

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<v Speaker 1>though several later told police that it drove away quickly

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<v Speaker 1>heading west. One neighbor noticed that the vehicle had an

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<v Speaker 1>unusual antenna described as a buggy whip style antenna on

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<v Speaker 1>the back of the van with a blue tip. At

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<v Speaker 1>approximately three point thirty one am, surveillance footage from the

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<v Speaker 1>Best Canadian Motor Inn captured a white van traveling westbound

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<v Speaker 1>on twentieth Avenue two. The vehicle it matched the general

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<v Speaker 1>description given by witnesses. An additional footage from a gas

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<v Speaker 1>station in the town of Coleman had also recorded a

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<v Speaker 1>similar van days earlier, near the time of Hannah's murder.

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<v Speaker 1>Later on that same morning, William Blanchett was driving through

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<v Speaker 1>the Crow's Nest pass on his way from Elkford, British Columbia,

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<v Speaker 1>to Calgary, Alberta, where he was planning to have some

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<v Speaker 1>work done in his vehicle. As he passed through Blairmore,

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<v Speaker 1>he decided to stop and visit his son and granddaughter. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>William had often helped care for his granddaughter Haley while

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<v Speaker 1>his son, Terry was at work, and the two stayed

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<v Speaker 1>in very close contact. When William arrived at Terry's home,

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<v Speaker 1>he saw his son's car parked in the driveway, which

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<v Speaker 1>made him assume that Terry and Haley were, of course inside,

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<v Speaker 1>so he walked up to the front door and he knocked,

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<v Speaker 1>expecting to be let in, but there was no answer.

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<v Speaker 1>He sent Terry a text message to let him know

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<v Speaker 1>he was there, and after waiting briefly and not receiving

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<v Speaker 1>any reply, he assumed that he might have just stepped

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<v Speaker 1>out and decided to continue on his way. So William

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<v Speaker 1>drove to the neighboring community of frank to get some fuel.

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<v Speaker 1>While at the gas station, though he tried to call

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<v Speaker 1>Terry several times, but each call went straight to voicemail.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this began to worry him. Terry was usually quick

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<v Speaker 1>to answer or return some calls, and, combined with the

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<v Speaker 1>unusual unanswered, knocked the door with his car in the

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<v Speaker 1>driveway in the lack of response. All of this just

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<v Speaker 1>made William uneasy, and he decided to return to the

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<v Speaker 1>house to check again. When he drove back to Terry's home,

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<v Speaker 1>he noticed that the front door was left unlocked. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Terry often left it that way. That was nothing unusual,

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<v Speaker 1>even just when leaving briefly sort of thing right. And

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<v Speaker 1>the unlocked door, now, though, it added a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a more another layer to this. If he were

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<v Speaker 1>to just, you know what, have an unlocked door, that's

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<v Speaker 1>one thing. But he's not answering the door. He's not

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<v Speaker 1>answering calls, and there's an unlocked door. Things started to

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<v Speaker 1>not feel right every time something else popped up. He

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<v Speaker 1>opened the door and went inside and immediately noticed how

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<v Speaker 1>quiet the house was. Now with a two year old

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<v Speaker 1>living there, the home was rarely completely silent. He called

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<v Speaker 1>out Terry, and then he called out to Haley, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was no one that responded. As he walked through

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<v Speaker 1>the main floor, William began to notice some things. He

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<v Speaker 1>saw Terry's comforter lying on the floor, between the bedroom

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<v Speaker 1>and the bathroom, and he noticed what appeared to be

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<v Speaker 1>blood on parts of the kitchen floor and nearby surfaces.

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<v Speaker 1>There were signs that something had clearly happened, although he

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<v Speaker 1>did not yet understand what he was seeing. With each

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<v Speaker 1>step through the house, his concern grew more and more.

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<v Speaker 1>He continued towards the bathroom, which was dark, and when

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<v Speaker 1>he turned on the light, that's when he saw his

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<v Speaker 1>son lying on the floor between the toilet and the vanity.

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<v Speaker 1>Terry's body was partially wrapped in a blood soaked blanket,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was blood on the floor and surrounding area.

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<v Speaker 1>It was obvious right away that Terry had suffered a

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<v Speaker 1>serious head injury, but worse of as William stared down

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<v Speaker 1>at him, he saw that his son's throat had been cut.

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot that the dad found him.

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<v Speaker 1>He rushed to Terry's side and tried to lift him,

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<v Speaker 1>hoping that there might be still a chance that he's alived,

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<v Speaker 1>But as soon as he made contact with his son's skin,

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<v Speaker 1>Terry was cold. He was already dead. William was devastated,

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<v Speaker 1>but he immediately began searching for his granddaughter Haley. He

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<v Speaker 1>ran upstairs frantically calling her name as he moved through

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<v Speaker 1>the house, and when he reached her bedroom, that's when

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<v Speaker 1>he found that her crib was empty. The bedding, blankets, pillows,

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<v Speaker 1>and toys were usually inside, but they were missing too,

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<v Speaker 1>and he also noticed blood on the bedroom door and

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<v Speaker 1>on one of her dolls, as well as bloody footprints

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<v Speaker 1>on the stairs and parts of the floor. In that instant,

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<v Speaker 1>it was clear to William that Haley had been taken.

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<v Speaker 1>At approximately eleven ti twelve am, William dialed nine one

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<v Speaker 1>one and reported what he had found.

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<v Speaker 2>This scene would just be not okay for like a parent,

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<v Speaker 2>parents aren't supposed to lose their children. So I just

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<v Speaker 2>can't even imagine him going into this, this just complete

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<v Speaker 2>crime scene and finding his son dead and his granddaughter missing,

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<v Speaker 2>Like holy shit, it just freakin' rips my heart out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gut wrenching. Yeah, And honestly, it's beyond a crime scene,

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is a murder scene.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, brutal one, Yeah, no, it would have been.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, no one should, like even investigators, gosh, having

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<v Speaker 2>to go into these houses and their lives are never

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the same after seeing all the shit.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Emergency responders and RCNP officers were sent to the house immediately,

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<v Speaker 1>and when they arrived, officers saw all the blood smears

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the home, beginning in the bedroom and continuing into

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<v Speaker 1>the bathroom. Drag marks were also on the floor that

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<v Speaker 1>showed that Terry had been attacked in his bed and

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<v Speaker 1>then pulled through the house. Investigators also documented the blood

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<v Speaker 1>evidence in Haley's room, including stains on her crib, personal belongings,

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<v Speaker 1>all which suggested that whoever had taken her had blood

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<v Speaker 1>on their hands and clothing at the time, which means

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<v Speaker 1>it was the same person who had killed Terry. Within hours,

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<v Speaker 1>the house was declared a major crime scene and RCMP

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<v Speaker 1>Major Crimes Unit investigators based in Calgary were contacted and

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<v Speaker 1>dispatched to Blairmore. By the afternoon, police began canvassing nearby homes,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking with neighbors and checking whether anyone had seen Haley

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<v Speaker 1>that morning. Officers were going door to door asking if

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<v Speaker 1>anyone heard unusual noises or anything that had happened overnight

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<v Speaker 1>seen suspicious activity. They also checked with friends, family members,

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<v Speaker 1>and child care contacts to rule out the possibility that

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<v Speaker 1>Hayley had been picked up by someone that she knew now.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, officers worked to contact information for

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<v Speaker 1>Haley's mother, Cheyenne Dunbar, who was living in Edmonton at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. Investigators soon learned that Cheyenne had not been

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<v Speaker 1>seen or spoken to Terry or Haley that morning and

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<v Speaker 1>had no idea that anything was wrong. She was, of

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<v Speaker 1>course shattered to learn that her daughter was missing and

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<v Speaker 1>that Terry had been killed. She was heartbroken, but she

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<v Speaker 1>also immediately began cooperating with investigators and provided any information

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<v Speaker 1>that she could about the custody agreement that she and

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<v Speaker 1>Terry had. There was recent communications maybe you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe whatever, who might have access to Terry's home, things

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<v Speaker 1>like that she's trying to share, and as evidence continued

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<v Speaker 1>to be reviewed, police focused on narrowing down the likely

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<v Speaker 1>time frame of the abduction. Based on witness statements and

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<v Speaker 1>early findings, They determined that Haley had most likely been

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<v Speaker 1>taken from the home at approximately three point thirty am,

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<v Speaker 1>which meant that she'd be missing for several hours before

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<v Speaker 1>Terry's body had even been discovered, which greatly increased concern

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<v Speaker 1>for her safety. By two fourteen PM, an Amber alert

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<v Speaker 1>was issued across the province of Alberta. The alert included

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<v Speaker 1>a description of Haley, including her age and the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that she'd been abducted from her home. The Amber Alert

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<v Speaker 1>also asked the public to report any sightings immediately and

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<v Speaker 1>warned and also warned them that she might be in

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<v Speaker 1>danger now. Given Blair Moore's location near the British Columbia

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<v Speaker 1>feared that whoever had taken Haley could attempt to flee

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<v Speaker 1>the area, and an hour later, at three point fifteen pm,

423
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<v Speaker 1>the Amber Alert was expanded into British Columbia, Saskatchewan, and

424
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<v Speaker 1>the United State of Montana. Since Haley was abducted during

425
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<v Speaker 1>the night, police were faced with a possibility that she

426
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<v Speaker 1>could be already hundreds of kilometers away, so URCMP officers

427
00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:55.960
<v Speaker 1>worked urgently to piece anything they could together, any information

428
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<v Speaker 1>that might indicate how she been taken, where she might

429
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<v Speaker 1>be taken and now. Witness statements collected earlier from the

430
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<v Speaker 1>day had neighbors mentioning that they saw that white van

431
00:24:05.599 --> 00:24:08.640
<v Speaker 1>in the area, those noises during the early mornings, those

432
00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:11.640
<v Speaker 1>sort of things, and investigators reviewed these accounts carefully and

433
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<v Speaker 1>started comparing them to each other in order to determine

434
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<v Speaker 1>whatever they were describing to see if it was the

435
00:24:16.480 --> 00:24:19.480
<v Speaker 1>same vehicle in the same incident, and it seemed very

436
00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:22.480
<v Speaker 1>much so like they were. They saw a white commercial

437
00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:25.000
<v Speaker 1>style van leaving the area at around three thirty am

438
00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:27.319
<v Speaker 1>at a high rate of speed, with a large antenna

439
00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:29.960
<v Speaker 1>on the back with something blue on the end. Although

440
00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:32.279
<v Speaker 1>no one had managed to record a license plate number,

441
00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:37.839
<v Speaker 1>the consistency of the details suggested everything was connected. Based

442
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<v Speaker 1>on this information, RCMP updated the Amber alert to include

443
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<v Speaker 1>a description of the suspected vehicle and the public was

444
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<v Speaker 1>asked to watch out for it and report any sightings immediately.

445
00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Investigators also began reviewing available surveillance footage from businesses and

446
00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:55.720
<v Speaker 1>hotels in the area. This is, of course, when they

447
00:24:55.759 --> 00:24:58.960
<v Speaker 1>found the CCTV footage showing the white van traveling westbound

448
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<v Speaker 1>at approximately three thins one on the morning of the abduction,

449
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<v Speaker 1>as well as the one recorded earlier in the day

450
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<v Speaker 1>that also showed a similar van in the area around

451
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<v Speaker 1>the time of Hanna's murder. Although this connection was not

452
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<v Speaker 1>publicly discussed at the time, it was noted by investigators

453
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<v Speaker 1>and was added to the growing file of evidence. Now,

454
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<v Speaker 1>as the Amber alert spread, tips began to pour in.

455
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<v Speaker 1>RCMP dispatch centers received calls from people who thought they

456
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<v Speaker 1>had seen similar vehicles on highways and parking lots and

457
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<v Speaker 1>at rest stops, and of course all of them had

458
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<v Speaker 1>to be checked out. Search teams were also deployed throughout

459
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<v Speaker 1>the region. Officers, volunteers, search and rescue personnel checked wooded areas,

460
00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:41.359
<v Speaker 1>rural roads, abandoned buildings and campsites. Helicopters and areily units

461
00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:43.799
<v Speaker 1>had been up in the air to scan remote terrain

462
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<v Speaker 1>in what would have been very difficult areas to access

463
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<v Speaker 1>on foot. The rugged geography of the Crow's Nest Pass

464
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<v Speaker 1>made the search especially challenging, as large areas of forest

465
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<v Speaker 1>and mountain trains surrounded the communities now. Meanwhile, anxiety continued

466
00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:04.440
<v Speaker 1>to grow amongst the residents. Parents kept their children indoors.

467
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<v Speaker 1>Schools and businesses began discussing safety measures, and many people

468
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<v Speaker 1>followed news updates very closely throughout the day and the night.

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't thought about this before, but it just dawned

470
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<v Speaker 2>on me. Being in a small community too, there would

471
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<v Speaker 2>be or you know, places that just have more wilderness

472
00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:24.000
<v Speaker 2>and stuff. There would be less footage like camera footage, Yeah,

473
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<v Speaker 2>capturing things.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, definitely one gosh.

475
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<v Speaker 2>Which would make it just so much harder. Hmm okay.

476
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<v Speaker 1>Now, social media also became flooded with posts sharing Haley's

477
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:35.960
<v Speaker 1>photo and details of the Amber alert too. This is

478
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<v Speaker 1>a place, like you kind of said, it's small town, right,

479
00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:41.640
<v Speaker 1>so people talk more than like there is news. Really

480
00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:46.200
<v Speaker 1>words spreads fast personally in conversations on social media, that

481
00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:48.640
<v Speaker 1>sort of thing, And that's what's happening here. People are

482
00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:51.640
<v Speaker 1>trying to figure this out, spreading any information they could

483
00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:55.200
<v Speaker 1>and helping in any way they can. Now in Blairmore,

484
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:58.599
<v Speaker 1>there was one business that would stand out amongst this case.

485
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<v Speaker 1>It was called Prestige Cleaners. It was a family owned

486
00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:06.559
<v Speaker 1>dry cleaning business that had operated in the community for decades,

487
00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:09.759
<v Speaker 1>and they owned several white commercial vans that were used

488
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<v Speaker 1>for deliveries. Now, these vehicles actually matched the description provided

489
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:18.079
<v Speaker 1>by witnesses, including the distinctive antenna mounted on the back.

490
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<v Speaker 1>The business was owned by brothers Kevin and Larry Siretsky,

491
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<v Speaker 1>who had taken over operations from their parents after years

492
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:28.799
<v Speaker 1>of working in the family company. Now, as news of

493
00:27:28.839 --> 00:27:31.599
<v Speaker 1>the Amber alerts spread through the town, Kevin and Larry

494
00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:34.799
<v Speaker 1>heard descriptions of the van police were looking for, and

495
00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:36.960
<v Speaker 1>so they went to take a look at the ones

496
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<v Speaker 1>that they owned, and that's when they realized that one

497
00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:44.599
<v Speaker 1>of their company vehicles fit the profile almost exactly. This

498
00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:48.000
<v Speaker 1>realization prompted them to check their fleet records and inspect

499
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:50.880
<v Speaker 1>the vehicles a little more closely. And when they reviewed

500
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:54.960
<v Speaker 1>their logs, they noticed something troubling. One of the vans

501
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:58.680
<v Speaker 1>had been used for deliveries on September eleventh, twenty fifteen,

502
00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:01.759
<v Speaker 1>and it so dominant reading had been recorded at that

503
00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:05.640
<v Speaker 1>time and was standard practice for the business. When they

504
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:08.119
<v Speaker 1>checked the same van after hearing about the abduction, though,

505
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:11.960
<v Speaker 1>the odometer showed additional kilometers that could not be explained

506
00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:16.359
<v Speaker 1>by any authorized use. Now, the Shiretzki family were very

507
00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:20.319
<v Speaker 1>much so aware that Larry Siretzky's son Derek had a

508
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:23.839
<v Speaker 1>history of using company vehicles without authorization.

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<v Speaker 2>Good for them, though, I just have to say for

510
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:30.279
<v Speaker 2>going and checking and note because and they're still trying

511
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<v Speaker 2>to figuring this out, knowing that they're going to.

512
00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:37.279
<v Speaker 1>Know like who is involved, Yes, for sure.

513
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<v Speaker 2>So I feel like some business owners would maybe just

514
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:43.920
<v Speaker 2>keep it to themselves potentially, So this is good now.

515
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<v Speaker 1>Derek was twenty two years old at the time. He

516
00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:49.359
<v Speaker 1>had worked at Prestige Cleaners for a period but had

517
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<v Speaker 1>recently quit. Family members knew that he still had access

518
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:56.160
<v Speaker 1>to the building and was familiar with the vehicles, so

519
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.559
<v Speaker 1>concerned about what all this could mean, both Kevin and

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<v Speaker 1>Larry contacted the RCMP and informed them about the missing

521
00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:08.519
<v Speaker 1>van and the unexpected mileage. They also gave investigators permission

522
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:12.680
<v Speaker 1>to seize and examine the vehicle as part of the investigation, and,

523
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:16.240
<v Speaker 1>as it would turn out, their cooperation provided police with

524
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:18.640
<v Speaker 1>their first solid physical lead.

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<v Speaker 2>Good job Now.

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<v Speaker 1>When RCMP forensic teams examined the van using luminol, a

527
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:28.680
<v Speaker 1>chemical that reacts with blood and glows under UV light,

528
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:35.160
<v Speaker 1>investigators detected multiple bloodstains throughout the interior. Blood was found

529
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:38.680
<v Speaker 1>on the steering wheel, door handles, window cranks, light switches,

530
00:29:38.759 --> 00:29:42.599
<v Speaker 1>floor surfaces, and inside the cargo area. A large smear

531
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:46.559
<v Speaker 1>on the floor even contained two bare footprints, suggesting that

532
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:52.039
<v Speaker 1>someone had stepped in blood inside the vehicle. Investigators also

533
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:54.200
<v Speaker 1>noticed the floor mats from the rear section of the

534
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:55.400
<v Speaker 1>van were missing too.

535
00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:56.720
<v Speaker 2>Now.

536
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<v Speaker 1>At the same time, while this was all happening, Derek's dad,

537
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Larry Suretsky, began noticing changes in his son's behavior. Derek

538
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:10.240
<v Speaker 1>seemed nervous, withdrawn and unwilling to really explain anything, and

539
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:13.799
<v Speaker 1>during a conversation about the missing child and the ongoing investigation,

540
00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:17.799
<v Speaker 1>Derek even made a statement that immediately alarmed his father.

541
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<v Speaker 1>He told Larry that Haley was quote in heaven.

542
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:24.359
<v Speaker 2>End quote oh shit.

543
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:29.799
<v Speaker 1>When pressed for clarification on this, Derek became incoherent and

544
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:33.319
<v Speaker 1>began speaking in ways that made little sense. His responses

545
00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:36.359
<v Speaker 1>shifted between vague statements to gibberish, and he didn't offer

546
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:38.920
<v Speaker 1>any clear explanation for even what he meant by that.

547
00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:44.839
<v Speaker 1>Larry was growing increasingly concerned, and he contacted police again

548
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:47.480
<v Speaker 1>and told them that his son had said something disturbing

549
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:49.680
<v Speaker 1>and he needed to be questioned.

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00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:52.519
<v Speaker 2>This right, there is a reason just like to not

551
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<v Speaker 2>have kids, in my opinion, because I don't know if

552
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:57.359
<v Speaker 2>I would be able to deal with that.

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00:30:57.359 --> 00:30:59.799
<v Speaker 1>That's it's definitely, I mean, that's gonna be so rare.

554
00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:02.400
<v Speaker 2>It's a rarity, for sure, but still but.

555
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:04.559
<v Speaker 1>Even still mean that could be a sibling or an

556
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:07.480
<v Speaker 1>uncle or an aunt, or parents who commit a murder

557
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:09.960
<v Speaker 1>just as easily as it is your own child, I.

558
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:13.240
<v Speaker 2>Guess, but I just think I would. I don't know.

559
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:15.720
<v Speaker 2>I would just be like, I'm out, I'm done.

560
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:17.240
<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, I can't blame you for that.

561
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<v Speaker 3>Now.

562
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:20.799
<v Speaker 1>By the time investigators finished processing the van, they began

563
00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:24.400
<v Speaker 1>focusing their attention directly on Derek. By this point, police

564
00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:27.440
<v Speaker 1>even had enough information to actually justify searching his living

565
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:30.880
<v Speaker 1>spaces and examining his personal belongings a lot more closely.

566
00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Derek lived in an apartment in Blairmore, located next to

567
00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:38.839
<v Speaker 1>the dry cleaning business. Officers quickly obtained a search warrant

568
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:42.400
<v Speaker 1>and entered the residence for any sign of the missing

569
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:46.400
<v Speaker 1>child or evidence that might explain her disappearance. From the

570
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:49.640
<v Speaker 1>moment they began searching, it became clear that the apartment

571
00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:55.400
<v Speaker 1>contained potential evidence. Investigators noticed what appeared to be blood

572
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:58.920
<v Speaker 1>on the inside doorknob of the front entrance, as well

573
00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:01.799
<v Speaker 1>as droplets on the floor or leading into the living room.

574
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Additional stains were found on walls and nearby staircases leading

575
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:09.359
<v Speaker 1>to the second floor. In the upstairs bathroom, police located

576
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:12.799
<v Speaker 1>blood on a cupboard and nearby surfaces. During the search,

577
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:16.079
<v Speaker 1>officers also discovered latex gloves that appeared to have blood stains,

578
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:18.279
<v Speaker 1>along with a pair of boots that were found to

579
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:23.119
<v Speaker 1>have containing human blood on them too. Several tools and

580
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:25.960
<v Speaker 1>weapons were also located in the apartment, including a hatchet,

581
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:31.119
<v Speaker 1>box cutters, and multiple knives. Police also found books related

582
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:35.559
<v Speaker 1>to cannibalism, serial killers, medical anatomy, and violent crime, which

583
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:38.039
<v Speaker 1>were noted and cataloged as part of the investigation.

584
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:40.680
<v Speaker 2>He really went out of his way to clean up

585
00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:44.720
<v Speaker 2>any evidence, inn't he Not really, No, I'm kidding.

586
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:47.720
<v Speaker 1>It seems like he did try and clean, but it

587
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:50.720
<v Speaker 1>was sloppy cleaning, Like the inside of the van, there

588
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:53.079
<v Speaker 1>was no obvious signs of blood. It was like you

589
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:55.319
<v Speaker 1>had to use the luminol on that sort of thing.

590
00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:59.119
<v Speaker 1>And I think there's a good chance that investigators had

591
00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:01.279
<v Speaker 1>caught up with him far before he had a chance

592
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:04.079
<v Speaker 1>to continue cleaning. Is possibly a way of looking at it,

593
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:07.880
<v Speaker 1>that's true, But either way, there was a lot of

594
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:08.880
<v Speaker 1>evidence left behind.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of hope one day, I don't know, this

596
00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:14.039
<v Speaker 2>is so morbid, so I apologize, but it would be

597
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:19.079
<v Speaker 2>very interesting to have the opportunity to use that spray lumino. Yeah,

598
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:21.839
<v Speaker 2>because you just see that on documentaries and stuff, and

599
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:25.359
<v Speaker 2>it just like I just imagine the anticipation of like

600
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:27.599
<v Speaker 2>spraying it and wondering what you're gonna find, and then

601
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:30.240
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden it just fucking lights up, right

602
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:31.200
<v Speaker 2>like that would.

603
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<v Speaker 1>Just I don't know, I'd be scary.

604
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:35.279
<v Speaker 2>It would be scary, but it's kind of interesting in

605
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:37.720
<v Speaker 2>the same sense for sure. Now.

606
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:41.519
<v Speaker 1>Some handwritten materials in the apartment also provided additional insight

607
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:45.400
<v Speaker 1>into derek state of mind too. Investigators recovered a notebook

608
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:51.160
<v Speaker 1>containing a list that include names such as Hannah, Terry, Shy,

609
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:56.240
<v Speaker 1>and the Hideous Baby, along with phrases such as sleepers

610
00:33:56.240 --> 00:34:01.640
<v Speaker 1>for the dogs and medicine Fresh. Of these entries were

611
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:09.039
<v Speaker 1>crossed out. Names of deceased like Terry were crossed out,

612
00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:13.480
<v Speaker 1>but so were Quote, the Hideous Baby, and Shy. Now

613
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:16.679
<v Speaker 1>Shy likely refers to Cheyenne, who was very much so

614
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:22.639
<v Speaker 1>alive and was Haley's mother, But as for the rest, well,

615
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:23.719
<v Speaker 1>let's just keep talking.

616
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:24.880
<v Speaker 2>That's so alarming.

617
00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:30.079
<v Speaker 1>A calendar was found with handwritten notes including phrases such

618
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:34.199
<v Speaker 1>as set me free and strength written across several dates

619
00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:37.639
<v Speaker 1>in early weeks of September twenty fifteen on a coffee

620
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:41.000
<v Speaker 1>table inside the apartment, police found graffiti scrawled across it

621
00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:44.119
<v Speaker 1>that read one shot, one kill and this is not

622
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:46.360
<v Speaker 1>the end. Death is only the beginning.

623
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<v Speaker 2>Now.

624
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Investigators searched here, and they also searched the home of

625
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Derek's mother in Coleman. This is where he sometimes stayed,

626
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:57.679
<v Speaker 1>and in his room they located two hammers, a baseball bat,

627
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:00.480
<v Speaker 1>and rolled up mats that appeared to be similar to

628
00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:04.840
<v Speaker 1>the ones in the missing floormats for the van. Needless

629
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:07.800
<v Speaker 1>to say, evidence was mounting fast, and as police continued

630
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:11.199
<v Speaker 1>gathering physical evidence, they also paid close attention to Derek's

631
00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:15.599
<v Speaker 1>behavior along the way. Family members described him as quiet

632
00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:19.000
<v Speaker 1>and withdrawn, someone who largely kept to himself. He also

633
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:22.159
<v Speaker 1>had a history of minor criminal charges, though including breaking

634
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:24.960
<v Speaker 1>and entering in possession of stolen property, and he was

635
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:27.880
<v Speaker 1>unemployed at the time of the murders. He seemed to

636
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:30.599
<v Speaker 1>be a young man who was struggling to find his

637
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:34.119
<v Speaker 1>stability in his life, and by the end of September fifteenth,

638
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.119
<v Speaker 1>it was obvious to investigators that they were no longer

639
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:41.679
<v Speaker 1>dealing with circumstantial concerns or vague suspicions. Even so, Haley,

640
00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:44.920
<v Speaker 1>the most important piece of the puzzle while she currently

641
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:49.519
<v Speaker 1>had still not been found. Now, while investigators were processing

642
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.400
<v Speaker 1>all the evidence and building the case and searching for Haley,

643
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:57.400
<v Speaker 1>an unexpected development was unfolding. A new lead came in

644
00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:00.000
<v Speaker 1>from another member of Derek's family who had noticed something

645
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:03.960
<v Speaker 1>disturbing on some private property. It was on September fifteenth

646
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.760
<v Speaker 1>when Shane Suretsky, Derrek's cousin, returned to a family owned

647
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:10.800
<v Speaker 1>ranch property near the Crow's Nest passed after being away

648
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:14.159
<v Speaker 1>for several days. The property had been used by members

649
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:18.039
<v Speaker 1>of the Suretzky family for camping, hunting, and recreational purposes

650
00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:21.159
<v Speaker 1>for years. It was remote, surrounded by trees and very

651
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:24.199
<v Speaker 1>rugged terrain, and rarely visited by anyone outside the family.

652
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:28.840
<v Speaker 1>When Shane arrived at the site, he noticed something that

653
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:33.000
<v Speaker 1>almost immediately struck him as wrong. Near one of the campsites,

654
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:36.079
<v Speaker 1>a fire pit appeared to have been recently used, which

655
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:38.800
<v Speaker 1>was unusual. There was no one who was supposed to

656
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:40.719
<v Speaker 1>have been there staying at the ranch at that time.

657
00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:44.960
<v Speaker 1>The fire pit even still contained warm ashes and freshly

658
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:48.920
<v Speaker 1>burnt debris, suggesting the fire had been burning there not

659
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.840
<v Speaker 1>long before he had arrived, and as he looked closer

660
00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:56.079
<v Speaker 1>that the remains of the fire, Shane noticed something in

661
00:36:56.119 --> 00:37:01.039
<v Speaker 1>the ashes, something that didn't resemble ordinary treeh being burned

662
00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:06.119
<v Speaker 1>or would. Amongst the burnt material, he saw what appeared

663
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:10.599
<v Speaker 1>to be small bones and pieces of fabric. Given the

664
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:14.280
<v Speaker 1>ongoing search for Haley in the widespread media coverage, Shane

665
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:17.679
<v Speaker 1>immediately thought about the possibility of what that fire pit

666
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:23.199
<v Speaker 1>could contain, and rather than disturbing anything, he immediately contacted authorities.

667
00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:27.679
<v Speaker 1>RCMP officers were dispatched to the ranch and arrived shortly

668
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:31.480
<v Speaker 1>after receiving the call. Now, while all this was going down,

669
00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:34.800
<v Speaker 1>Derek was being held for questioning in relation to Terry's

670
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:38.840
<v Speaker 1>death and Hailey's disappearance. By this point, police had already

671
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:42.079
<v Speaker 1>gathered substantial physical evidence linking him to the case, but

672
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:44.760
<v Speaker 1>they still needed to establish exactly what had happened.

673
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Now.

674
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:51.000
<v Speaker 1>During interviews with RCMP investigators, Derek initially well. He stated

675
00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:54.599
<v Speaker 1>things that were inconsistent and very difficult to follow. He

676
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:58.719
<v Speaker 1>gave vague answers, changed deep tails repeatedly, and sometimes spoken

677
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.480
<v Speaker 1>ways that didn't seem connect did to the questions he

678
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:04.719
<v Speaker 1>was even being asked. At times, he claimed that he'd

679
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:08.599
<v Speaker 1>been influenced by voices or supernatural forces. In other moments,

680
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:11.920
<v Speaker 1>he suggested that he had acted under the control of

681
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:15.800
<v Speaker 1>the devil. It was very clear that Derek was suffering

682
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:19.800
<v Speaker 1>from some sort of mental struggles, but investigators worked carefully

683
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:25.159
<v Speaker 1>with him and the questioning continued. Now, Derek gradually began

684
00:38:25.239 --> 00:38:29.960
<v Speaker 1>to break down and in tears. At one point, with

685
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:33.559
<v Speaker 1>an investigator kneeling in front of him encouraging him to speak,

686
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:40.360
<v Speaker 1>he acknowledged his involvement in the crimes. He admitted that

687
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:43.840
<v Speaker 1>he entered Terry Blanchette's home during the night of September fourteenth,

688
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:48.119
<v Speaker 1>using forced entry to gain access. According to his statements,

689
00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:53.000
<v Speaker 1>he attacked Terry with a blunt object later identified as

690
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:57.000
<v Speaker 1>a crowbar, and then he proceeded to slit his throat.

691
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:03.039
<v Speaker 1>After killing Terry, he abducted Hailey from the home and

692
00:39:03.119 --> 00:39:06.599
<v Speaker 1>placed her in the white van belonging to Prestige Cleaners.

693
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Derek told investigators that he drove Hailey to the family

694
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:13.679
<v Speaker 1>owned ranch property in the Crow's Nest pass. He described

695
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:16.079
<v Speaker 1>taking her to a campsite that he was familiar with

696
00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:20.679
<v Speaker 1>from previous visits. But the thing is he didn't just

697
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:26.760
<v Speaker 1>tell them. Investigators asked him to lead them to the site,

698
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:30.840
<v Speaker 1>and he did exactly that. They arrived at the property

699
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:33.960
<v Speaker 1>where police were already beginning to investigate the scene from

700
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:37.559
<v Speaker 1>the tip off from Derek's cousin. There, he walked them

701
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:41.079
<v Speaker 1>through the property and stopped next to the fire pit,

702
00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:46.039
<v Speaker 1>looking at the smoldering embers. He said there he had

703
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:51.719
<v Speaker 1>built a fire and next admitted to killing Haley by

704
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:55.960
<v Speaker 1>strangling her to death. Afterwards, he said he dismembered her

705
00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:58.719
<v Speaker 1>body there by the fire, collected her blood in a

706
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:04.159
<v Speaker 1>plastic container, and burned her remains, And there he stood

707
00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:06.519
<v Speaker 1>next to the flames as they were burning Haley's body,

708
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:11.239
<v Speaker 1>and Derek admitted to drinking her blood in order to

709
00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:16.039
<v Speaker 1>gain a little bit of her energy. He also explained

710
00:40:16.039 --> 00:40:18.320
<v Speaker 1>that he had returned to his apartment after the crimes

711
00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:22.159
<v Speaker 1>and attempted to clean himself up as well as his belongings.

712
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:25.480
<v Speaker 1>As part of his confession, Derek also described the weapons

713
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:29.440
<v Speaker 1>he had used, and throughout the whole time, Derek appeared

714
00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:34.559
<v Speaker 1>detached and unemotional. At other times he became very agitated

715
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:39.079
<v Speaker 1>or spoke in those religious or symbolic type languages, speaking

716
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:42.320
<v Speaker 1>just talking about God and the devil and being controlled

717
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:44.599
<v Speaker 1>in what they were doing. It wasn't him, it was them,

718
00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:49.440
<v Speaker 1>and investigators documented these changes very carefully, very aware that

719
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:52.719
<v Speaker 1>his mental state would certainly become a very important issue

720
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:57.239
<v Speaker 1>in court proceedings. By the end of the interviews, police

721
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:00.320
<v Speaker 1>had obtained a detailed account of how Derek had moved

722
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:03.760
<v Speaker 1>from Terry's home to the ranch property, and what he

723
00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:06.920
<v Speaker 1>had done at each location, and how he had attempted

724
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:08.360
<v Speaker 1>to cover up his actions.

725
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it takes her breath away. It's like a gut

726
00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:15.559
<v Speaker 2>punch what he did to that sweet, sweet little baby.

727
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:19.719
<v Speaker 1>It's disgusting in so many ways. Yeah, I can't believe.

728
00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:24.519
<v Speaker 1>And then he sat there as she's burning, drinking her blood.

729
00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:27.880
<v Speaker 1>That makes me want to fucking throw up.

730
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it is.

731
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:29.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh.

732
00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:33.519
<v Speaker 2>I say this almost every episode. It doesn't seem like

733
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:37.239
<v Speaker 2>that could be true. How on earth could someone actually

734
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:38.119
<v Speaker 2>fucking do that.

735
00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:41.159
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm gonna quote you directly. I can't even fathom this,

736
00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:44.039
<v Speaker 1>or can't even fathom someone doing that. Yeah, the word fathom.

737
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:46.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It just brings tears to my eyes.

738
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:49.119
<v Speaker 2>That someone is just that, Like we live among people

739
00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:50.320
<v Speaker 2>that pure evil.

740
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Now, I don't get me wrong, Derek's responsible. Derek did this,

741
00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:58.119
<v Speaker 1>but clearly he's suffering in certain ways on his own.

742
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:01.079
<v Speaker 1>That too, on its own, is scary as shit.

743
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that whatever is going on there killed a

744
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:09.000
<v Speaker 2>little innocent baby, well two years old, still pretty much

745
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:12.039
<v Speaker 2>a baby. And the dad, Yeah, like, what the actual

746
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:14.199
<v Speaker 2>shit is happening in this scut.

747
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:19.159
<v Speaker 1>It's beyond fucked now. The investigator secured the entire property,

748
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:20.960
<v Speaker 1>of course, when he was arrived in telling them and

749
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:23.639
<v Speaker 1>showing this by the fire police were already there securing

750
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:26.119
<v Speaker 1>the property, and they began a careful examination of the

751
00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:29.719
<v Speaker 1>fire pit and surrounding campsite. Forensic specialists were brought in

752
00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:33.199
<v Speaker 1>to collect any potential evidence and documented the scene in details.

753
00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:37.199
<v Speaker 1>And as investigators sifted through the ashes, which were still warm,

754
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:41.199
<v Speaker 1>one investigator reportedly even burning his hand collecting pieces out

755
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:46.119
<v Speaker 1>of the fire, their fears were confirmed. They recovered several

756
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:49.599
<v Speaker 1>bone fragments that appeared to be from a child. They

757
00:42:49.639 --> 00:42:53.280
<v Speaker 1>recovered pieces of burned clothing and other materials that suggested

758
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:57.679
<v Speaker 1>human remains had been present in the fire. Forensic teams

759
00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:02.840
<v Speaker 1>worked for hours to collect every fragment that they could teeth,

760
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:09.119
<v Speaker 1>rib bones, femurs, broken pieces. They recovered everything. Now, police

761
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:12.000
<v Speaker 1>still hadn't made a public announcement about the discovery. They

762
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:14.599
<v Speaker 1>first needed to confirm the identity of the remains through

763
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:20.320
<v Speaker 1>forensic testing and notify Hailey's family before releasing any information. However,

764
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:25.599
<v Speaker 1>unfortunately DNA testing was not available through these bones, they

765
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:28.760
<v Speaker 1>were burnt far too much and they could not confirm

766
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:34.519
<v Speaker 1>the identity of Haley. However, through the confession through Derek

767
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:37.679
<v Speaker 1>leading them there, they were able to confidently say that

768
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:38.840
<v Speaker 1>it was in fact her.

769
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, it must have just been like a roaring fire.

770
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:46.079
<v Speaker 1>Hey, it would have been large, yes, But as it

771
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:49.719
<v Speaker 1>sat right now, as far as the public knew, there

772
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:52.360
<v Speaker 1>was the possibility still that Haley was alive, but it

773
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:56.199
<v Speaker 1>was looking grim. More than twenty four hours had passed

774
00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:58.440
<v Speaker 1>and many people were beginning to fear that Haley would

775
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:00.960
<v Speaker 1>not be found alive. That didn't mean that they didn't

776
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:05.039
<v Speaker 1>hold out for any hope. Hundreds of residents gathered that

777
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:07.760
<v Speaker 1>night for a candlelight vigil, hoping for good news and

778
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:12.360
<v Speaker 1>showing support for the family. The vigil took place in Baltimore,

779
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:18.039
<v Speaker 1>not far from Terry Blanchett's home. Community members brought candles, flowers,

780
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:21.559
<v Speaker 1>and handwritten messages. Parents stood with their children, neighbors stood

781
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:26.119
<v Speaker 1>with neighbors and strangers comforted one another. Shortly after nine pm,

782
00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:33.079
<v Speaker 1>RCMP Victims Services representatives arrived at the vigil looking for

783
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Haley's mother. It was there that they informed her and

784
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Hailey's family that they had located her remains earlier that

785
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:47.280
<v Speaker 1>day at her rural property near Blairmore words spread quietly

786
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:53.400
<v Speaker 1>through the crowd, and within minutes almost everyone was in tears.

787
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, what a terrible announcement to have to make it

788
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:01.239
<v Speaker 2>her vigil, I know, right, heartbreaks. I mean, there would

789
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:04.159
<v Speaker 2>probably be no time, no good time to ever have

790
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:06.800
<v Speaker 2>to make that announcement. But still, that just seems like

791
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:12.599
<v Speaker 2>it is a frickin' hammer across your face. Really, Like

792
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:13.440
<v Speaker 2>that's terrible.

793
00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, what do you do? Do you do it at

794
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:17.159
<v Speaker 1>the vigil? Do it after the vigil? Do you do

795
00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:19.519
<v Speaker 1>it when they're quietly sitting at home, like trying to

796
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:21.199
<v Speaker 1>go to bed. Do you do it in the morning

797
00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:23.559
<v Speaker 1>when they've likely not slept all night and they're probably

798
00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:26.760
<v Speaker 1>contacting more people or looking or doing things, putting up posters,

799
00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:27.960
<v Speaker 1>missing posters.

800
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:30.239
<v Speaker 2>When I mean, they would have had like a lot

801
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:32.159
<v Speaker 2>of support at that time, right for sure?

802
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:35.679
<v Speaker 1>And you're right, like, when is the good time. So yeah,

803
00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:39.039
<v Speaker 1>it's hard work, but I mean they're there to do it,

804
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:41.320
<v Speaker 1>and I'm glad that there are, you know le those

805
00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:44.119
<v Speaker 1>people to do that job, because it's not going to

806
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:47.719
<v Speaker 1>be an easy one, no now. Later that same evening,

807
00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:52.960
<v Speaker 1>RCMP Superintendent Tony Hamori held immediate briefing to confirm what

808
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:57.519
<v Speaker 1>they had already feared. At apparent approximately ten pm, he

809
00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:00.360
<v Speaker 1>announced the body of two year old Haley Dunbarblench had

810
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:03.960
<v Speaker 1>been found in a rural location near Blairmore. He explained

811
00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:06.280
<v Speaker 1>that the discovery had been made during a police search

812
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:10.119
<v Speaker 1>based on information obtained through the investigation, that the scene

813
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:13.800
<v Speaker 1>had been secured and forensic teams were processing the area.

814
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:17.159
<v Speaker 1>He also confirmed that the public was no longer being

815
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:19.440
<v Speaker 1>asked to look for a white van and that the

816
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:24.039
<v Speaker 1>Amber alert had officially been called off. At the same time,

817
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:26.719
<v Speaker 1>he made it very clear that many details would not

818
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:30.360
<v Speaker 1>be released immediately, as the investigation was still ongoing and

819
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:35.199
<v Speaker 1>charges had not yet been finalized. At that point. He

820
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:37.559
<v Speaker 1>did say a male suspect who had been arrested earlier

821
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:40.880
<v Speaker 1>in the day remained in police custody and was being questioned.

822
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:44.199
<v Speaker 1>He said his identity would be made public Once those

823
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:48.679
<v Speaker 1>formal charges were officially laid, and for Haley's mother, Cheyenne Dunbar,

824
00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:51.760
<v Speaker 1>and for Terry's family, the announcement marked the end of

825
00:46:51.800 --> 00:46:56.719
<v Speaker 1>any remaining hope that she would be returned safely. Within hours,

826
00:46:57.079 --> 00:47:00.719
<v Speaker 1>messages of sympathy began appearing online and in local memorials.

827
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:04.159
<v Speaker 1>Flowers and stuffed animals were placed near Terry's home and

828
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:09.119
<v Speaker 1>in public spaces throughout the region. On September sixteenth, twenty fifteen,

829
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:13.559
<v Speaker 1>RCMP formally charged Derek Seretsky with two counts of first

830
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:17.199
<v Speaker 1>degree murder in the death of Terry Blanchette and Haley

831
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:21.079
<v Speaker 1>Dunbar Blanchett. Police stated that they believed the murders had

832
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:24.760
<v Speaker 1>been planned, and his identity was released to public for

833
00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:28.760
<v Speaker 1>the first time, ending days of speculation. Now, while Derek

834
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:31.800
<v Speaker 1>had provided a general account of what he claimed had happened,

835
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:35.840
<v Speaker 1>police could not rely on his statements alone. Every detail

836
00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:39.840
<v Speaker 1>needed to be verified independently, and forensic teams conducted an

837
00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:43.639
<v Speaker 1>extensive examination of everything they could. They found that the

838
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:45.960
<v Speaker 1>blood found in the home, the van on tools, and

839
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:49.119
<v Speaker 1>items in Derek's home were consistent with both Terry and

840
00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:53.360
<v Speaker 1>Haley's DNA. Scientific evidence removed any doubt that the crimes

841
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:57.639
<v Speaker 1>were connected and committed by the same person. Now, while

842
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:00.360
<v Speaker 1>all of this had come to lights, another question began

843
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:03.719
<v Speaker 1>to be asked. Five days before Terry was murdered and

844
00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:07.119
<v Speaker 1>Haley was kidnapped and murdered, a sixty nine year old

845
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:11.079
<v Speaker 1>woman named Hannah MacTech had been found dead in her

846
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:14.320
<v Speaker 1>home in Coleman and nearby community in the Crow's Nest past.

847
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:17.440
<v Speaker 1>At the time, her death had been treated as a

848
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:20.880
<v Speaker 1>separate case with no obvious connection to anyone or anything,

849
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:23.800
<v Speaker 1>But now the question was could Derek be responsible for

850
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:26.840
<v Speaker 1>this as well? Now, Hannah lived alone and was known

851
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:29.440
<v Speaker 1>in the community as quiet and an independent woman. But

852
00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:32.280
<v Speaker 1>she had strong personality and according to people who knew her,

853
00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:34.800
<v Speaker 1>she was not easily intimidated, and on the morning of

854
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:37.599
<v Speaker 1>September ninth, twenty fifteen, she was found dead in her

855
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:41.800
<v Speaker 1>home after neighbors became concerned and contacted police. Officers who

856
00:48:41.800 --> 00:48:44.559
<v Speaker 1>responded discovered that she had been violently attacked, and an

857
00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:48.360
<v Speaker 1>autopsy later revealed that Hannah had suffered five blunt force

858
00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:50.519
<v Speaker 1>injuries to the head and two stab wounds to the

859
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:54.400
<v Speaker 1>neck and superficial cutzecaw across her throat. Now, the combination

860
00:48:54.519 --> 00:48:58.480
<v Speaker 1>of blunt force and sharp force injuries immediately suggested the

861
00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:01.679
<v Speaker 1>attack had been personal or very intense at the very least,

862
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:05.719
<v Speaker 1>and at first police had few solid leads when this occurred. However,

863
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:09.400
<v Speaker 1>when Terry was found murdered and Hailey disappeared on September fourteenth,

864
00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:14.840
<v Speaker 1>resources were immediately redirected because finding a missing child while

865
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:17.960
<v Speaker 1>it became top priority, and so Hannah's murder investigation was

866
00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:22.079
<v Speaker 1>put on hold. But after Derek was arrested and her

867
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:25.360
<v Speaker 1>remains were discovered, while the team returned to Hannah's case

868
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:29.039
<v Speaker 1>with a fresh perspective, the similarities between the two scenes

869
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:33.800
<v Speaker 1>stood out almost immediately. Terry had been beaten and stabbed,

870
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:38.199
<v Speaker 1>Hannah had been beaten and stabbed. Both attacks involved extreme violence,

871
00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:40.119
<v Speaker 1>and both appeared to have been carried out by someone

872
00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:45.079
<v Speaker 1>willing to take very significant risks. A major breakthrough in

873
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:48.760
<v Speaker 1>the potential correlation came on September twenty fourth, when officers

874
00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:53.000
<v Speaker 1>reviewed a photograph taken inside Derek's apartment. The photo showed

875
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:57.960
<v Speaker 1>a handwritten list, a handwritten list that we already talked about.

876
00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:03.480
<v Speaker 1>It said, medicine fresh. It followed several crossed out entries,

877
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:06.760
<v Speaker 1>and among them were the names of Hannah, Terry, and

878
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:11.679
<v Speaker 1>quote the Hideous Baby, which investigators were believed referred to Haley.

879
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:16.280
<v Speaker 1>This indicated that Derek was in fact responsible for Hannah's

880
00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:18.920
<v Speaker 1>death too, and that he had been thinking about his

881
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:22.079
<v Speaker 1>victims ahead of time, and that may he may be

882
00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:26.079
<v Speaker 1>you know what, tracking his actions for investigators. This document

883
00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:28.400
<v Speaker 1>was one of the strongest pieces of evidence tying him

884
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:32.000
<v Speaker 1>to all three of the killings. The police also learned

885
00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:35.679
<v Speaker 1>that Hannah lived next door to Derek's grandparents, which placed

886
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:37.960
<v Speaker 1>him in close proximity to her home and gave him

887
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:40.559
<v Speaker 1>reason to be in the area without raising any sort

888
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:45.760
<v Speaker 1>of suspicion. During later interviews, Derek would ultimately admit to

889
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:48.840
<v Speaker 1>killing Hannah as well. He told police he broke into

890
00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:52.480
<v Speaker 1>her home, struck her with a baseball bat, and stabbed her,

891
00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:56.960
<v Speaker 1>and when he was asked directly whether this murder was

892
00:50:57.039 --> 00:50:59.639
<v Speaker 1>kind of a practice for whatever he was going to

893
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:03.199
<v Speaker 1>do later to Terry and Haley, he replied that it was.

894
00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:08.400
<v Speaker 1>He directly acknowledged that he'd used his first killing to

895
00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:11.800
<v Speaker 1>build confidence for others.

896
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that is just so hard to hear that he

897
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:21.679
<v Speaker 2>murdered her to practice like, are you fucking kidding me?

898
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:24.039
<v Speaker 1>I know, well, even if you look, there was superficial

899
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:27.679
<v Speaker 1>cuts across her neck, almost like he's seeing what sort

900
00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:29.840
<v Speaker 1>of pressure he needs to apply to cut a throat.

901
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:33.079
<v Speaker 1>And then when it comes to Terry, he was successful

902
00:51:33.199 --> 00:51:36.159
<v Speaker 1>because he knew a little more how to do it.

903
00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:39.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I am not okay. That is just

904
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:40.360
<v Speaker 2>not okay.

905
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:43.079
<v Speaker 1>Perhaps he even went and got a sharper knife. Perhaps

906
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:45.440
<v Speaker 1>he sharpened his knife because the other one just wasn't

907
00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:48.039
<v Speaker 1>good enough. So he realized what he was doing, how

908
00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:50.880
<v Speaker 1>he needed to do it, got ready and executed it

909
00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:52.920
<v Speaker 1>properly the next time. And when I say properly, I

910
00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:55.559
<v Speaker 1>mean properly in his own fucked up mind.

911
00:51:56.119 --> 00:51:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit. I don't know if you're going to say

912
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:01.840
<v Speaker 2>something about this too, but I I remember hearing something

913
00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:06.519
<v Speaker 2>about Terry had like given him a dirty look or

914
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:09.639
<v Speaker 2>something that he perceived that he had given him a

915
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:11.000
<v Speaker 2>dirty look at one point.

916
00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's I don't really go over that because that's

917
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:17.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of it's so gray, but that is essentially his

918
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:23.000
<v Speaker 1>reasoning for targeting them. Yes, he knew Cheyenne, who was

919
00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:27.719
<v Speaker 1>Hailey's mother and Terry's ex a long time ago, and

920
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:30.960
<v Speaker 1>he had seen them in town, Terry in town or something,

921
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:33.840
<v Speaker 1>and thought that Terry had given him a dirty look,

922
00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:36.400
<v Speaker 1>So then he was angry towards him and just decided

923
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:37.000
<v Speaker 1>to murder him.

924
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:39.719
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, which is so messed up. I bet you anything.

925
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Terry didn't even He was probably just busy or thinking

926
00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:45.880
<v Speaker 2>about something, or thinking about Oh man, I forgot to

927
00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:48.039
<v Speaker 2>get milk or something, or maybe.

928
00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:50.719
<v Speaker 1>It's like a is that guy familiar I might recognize?

929
00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:51.639
<v Speaker 1>Who knows? Right?

930
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, the reasoning behind these killings is just.

931
00:52:56.679 --> 00:52:59.599
<v Speaker 1>One of the most absurd motives I've ever heard.

932
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:00.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

933
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:04.039
<v Speaker 1>Now, In April twenty sixteen, Derek was formally charged with

934
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:07.440
<v Speaker 1>first degree murder in Hannah's death as well.

935
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:09.159
<v Speaker 2>Now.

936
00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:12.639
<v Speaker 1>In the weeks following his arrest, Derek Siretzky's behavior became

937
00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:17.320
<v Speaker 1>a major concern for both investigators and court officials. Correctional

938
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:20.599
<v Speaker 1>staff and medical professionals were tasked with monitoring his physical

939
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:25.079
<v Speaker 1>and mental condition inside custody, and almost immediately questions began

940
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:29.039
<v Speaker 1>to arise about his stability. Then, on September twenty third,

941
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:31.920
<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen, just one week after he was charged with

942
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:35.000
<v Speaker 1>two counts of first degree murder, his mental state took

943
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:39.519
<v Speaker 1>a turn. Derek was rushed from the Lethbridge Correctional Center

944
00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:45.480
<v Speaker 1>to hospital after suffering a medical emergency. Sources later reported

945
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:47.960
<v Speaker 1>that he had attempted to take his own life while

946
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:51.880
<v Speaker 1>left alone to shower. He was found by guards and

947
00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:55.480
<v Speaker 1>transported to Chinook Regional Hospital, where doctors placed him in

948
00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:58.719
<v Speaker 1>a medically induced coma and for a couple days, his

949
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:02.599
<v Speaker 1>condition remained uncertain, but on September twenty fifth, officials confirmed

950
00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:04.679
<v Speaker 1>that he had been brought out of the coma and

951
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:09.000
<v Speaker 1>was recovering under medical supervision. He was eventually returned to

952
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:14.199
<v Speaker 1>custody once doctors determined he was physically stable. Now during

953
00:54:14.239 --> 00:54:17.599
<v Speaker 1>this period, reports emerged that Derek had lost a significant

954
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:21.519
<v Speaker 1>amount of weight and appeared increasingly withdrawn. Correctional staff noticed

955
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:24.960
<v Speaker 1>changes in behavior, including long periods of isolation and limited

956
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:28.800
<v Speaker 1>communication with others. Now, As the case moved forward, defense

957
00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:31.840
<v Speaker 1>lawyers began raising concerns about whether Derek was mentally fit

958
00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:34.320
<v Speaker 1>to stand trial, and soon the court ordered him to

959
00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:38.519
<v Speaker 1>go for a thirty day psychiatric assessment. The goal was

960
00:54:38.599 --> 00:54:41.280
<v Speaker 1>determined whether he understood the charges against him and could

961
00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:47.079
<v Speaker 1>meaningfully participate in his defense. Psychiatrists evaluated Derek over several weeks,

962
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:50.280
<v Speaker 1>reviewing his medical history, interviewing him directly, and observing his

963
00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:54.920
<v Speaker 1>behavior and custody. During these assessments, he continued to reinforce

964
00:54:54.960 --> 00:55:00.320
<v Speaker 1>these religious and supernatural explanations for his actions, repeated peated

965
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:03.159
<v Speaker 1>claims that he'd been influenced by the devil or directed

966
00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:06.880
<v Speaker 1>by God. He also spoke about having stopped taking prescribed

967
00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:11.440
<v Speaker 1>antipsychotic medications before the killings as well. It was heavy stuff,

968
00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:14.360
<v Speaker 1>and the doctors requested the assessment period be extended for

969
00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:18.599
<v Speaker 1>another thirty days, to which the judge approved. Ultimately, on

970
00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:22.199
<v Speaker 1>November twenty fifth, twenty fifteen, the court ruled that Derek

971
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:26.119
<v Speaker 1>was in fact mentally fit to stand trial. Medical experts

972
00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:30.480
<v Speaker 1>concluded that despite his disturbing statements and past medical health issues,

973
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:34.519
<v Speaker 1>he understood the nature of the proceedings and was capable

974
00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:38.400
<v Speaker 1>of working with lawyers now. Although he was deemed fit,

975
00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:42.519
<v Speaker 1>questions about his mental states still did not disappear during interviews.

976
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:45.599
<v Speaker 1>In later testimony, he continued to shift blame towards those

977
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:50.079
<v Speaker 1>outside forces rather than fully accepting his responsibility. At times

978
00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:53.400
<v Speaker 1>he expressed regret. At other times, he minimalized his actions

979
00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:58.280
<v Speaker 1>or spoke in detached symbolic language. Prosecutors would later argue

980
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:02.159
<v Speaker 1>that these patterns reflected attempts to avoid accountability rather than

981
00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:03.960
<v Speaker 1>genuine psychological impairment.

982
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:09.480
<v Speaker 2>That's so interesting because just you know, sitting here listening

983
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:13.000
<v Speaker 2>to this, I would not have thought he would be fit,

984
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:17.199
<v Speaker 2>stand fit, like he drank the blood of a child

985
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:19.480
<v Speaker 2>and stuff. He doesn't seem like he as well. But

986
00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:23.000
<v Speaker 2>then he also could, like you're saying here, being playing

987
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:25.159
<v Speaker 2>into that, which is really messed up.

988
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:28.679
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's not so much that he's playing into it.

989
00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:33.480
<v Speaker 1>It's that, yeah, he's messed up, but he still understands

990
00:56:33.559 --> 00:56:36.840
<v Speaker 1>what he did. He still understands the consequences. He still

991
00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:40.400
<v Speaker 1>understands what the trial and the defense and the prosecution

992
00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:45.480
<v Speaker 1>is all about. He understands it. Okay, he's saying, I

993
00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:47.880
<v Speaker 1>get it. It wasn't me. The devil did it. The

994
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:49.840
<v Speaker 1>devil made me do it. I had no control, but

995
00:56:49.880 --> 00:56:51.880
<v Speaker 1>I totally know what's going on.

996
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

997
00:56:52.880 --> 00:57:00.400
<v Speaker 1>He's coherent's he's there, he understands, he's rational, but there's

998
00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:03.800
<v Speaker 1>it's like a flip side to him where it's almost

999
00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:06.360
<v Speaker 1>like he's getting possessed. I mean he's not, but it's

1000
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:08.760
<v Speaker 1>like he's getting possessed, and that possession is making him

1001
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:11.840
<v Speaker 1>say and do things gosh and act in ways and

1002
00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:15.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of like an extreme bipolar and extreme

1003
00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:19.760
<v Speaker 1>situation of schizophrenia something along those lines. Those are not diagnoses.

1004
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Those are just kind of examples I'm trying to share

1005
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:24.800
<v Speaker 1>to kind of put that perspective on it. It's like there's

1006
00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:26.840
<v Speaker 1>two sides to the coin, and no matter what side

1007
00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:31.480
<v Speaker 1>he's on, he at least understands what's going on around him.

1008
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:34.519
<v Speaker 2>To just listen to someone though, hey, that's speaking that

1009
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:37.679
<v Speaker 2>way would be I don't know, very alarming.

1010
00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh this sends a chill up my spine thinking about

1011
00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:42.960
<v Speaker 1>it now, regardless of whatever he said.

1012
00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:43.239
<v Speaker 2>Though.

1013
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:47.960
<v Speaker 1>After nearly two years of investigations, forensic testing, psychiatric evaluations,

1014
00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:51.639
<v Speaker 1>and legal motions, Derek Suatzky's trial finally began in the

1015
00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:56.280
<v Speaker 1>spring of twenty seventeen. Proceedings started in Lethbridge in early May,

1016
00:57:56.639 --> 00:57:59.960
<v Speaker 1>with pre trial hearings injury selections taking place before testimony

1017
00:58:00.079 --> 00:58:03.239
<v Speaker 1>he officially began, but by the end of the month,

1018
00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:05.320
<v Speaker 1>a jury had been seated and the trial moved into

1019
00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:08.679
<v Speaker 1>its main face. Now from the onset, it was clear

1020
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:12.599
<v Speaker 1>that the case would be emotionally difficult for everyone involved,

1021
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:16.239
<v Speaker 1>and prosecutors warned durors that they would be presented with

1022
00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:20.559
<v Speaker 1>very disturbing evidence, including crime scene photographs, forensic reports, and

1023
00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:26.079
<v Speaker 1>video recordings of Derek's own statements. The Crown's case focused

1024
00:58:26.119 --> 00:58:29.679
<v Speaker 1>on building a detailed chronological account of how the three

1025
00:58:29.760 --> 00:58:35.559
<v Speaker 1>murders unfolded. Prosecutors presented evidence beginning with the death of Hannahmacatech.

1026
00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Sorry almost got her name wrong there. It's a difficult

1027
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:41.039
<v Speaker 1>name to pronounce, so and on September ninth, twenty fifteen,

1028
00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:43.559
<v Speaker 1>followed by the murder of Terry Blanchette and the abduction

1029
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:47.639
<v Speaker 1>of Haley on September fourteenth, saying that the killings were

1030
00:58:47.639 --> 00:58:52.760
<v Speaker 1>not isolated incidents, but more so instead part of a pattern. Now,

1031
00:58:52.760 --> 00:58:54.880
<v Speaker 1>one of the most significant pieces of evidence john in

1032
00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:58.079
<v Speaker 1>court was video of Derek's police interviews and is recorded

1033
00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:01.159
<v Speaker 1>reenactment at the Rant property.

1034
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Now.

1035
00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:04.719
<v Speaker 1>The footage was played in court under strict conditions, and

1036
00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:08.320
<v Speaker 1>several jurors were visibly distressed, and at times proceedings were

1037
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:12.599
<v Speaker 1>even paused to allow them time to recover. Medical experts

1038
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:16.599
<v Speaker 1>also testified about the injuries suffered by the victims. Pathologists

1039
00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:19.679
<v Speaker 1>described the extent of Terry's wounds, including multiple blunt force

1040
00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:22.800
<v Speaker 1>injuries and several cuts to his neck. In Hannah's case,

1041
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:26.360
<v Speaker 1>doctors explained how she'd been struck and stabbed, likely while

1042
00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:30.360
<v Speaker 1>trying to defend herself. Because of the condition of Haley's remains,

1043
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:33.000
<v Speaker 1>a precise cause of death could not be determined, but

1044
00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:37.400
<v Speaker 1>evidence supported Derek's confession that she had in fact been strangled.

1045
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:41.599
<v Speaker 1>What evidence that is I could not find, but apparently

1046
00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:47.480
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote evidence supported it now. RCMP forensic specialists presented

1047
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:51.000
<v Speaker 1>detail findings from the crime scene too and Derek's apartment.

1048
00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:54.599
<v Speaker 1>They explained how blood pattern showed Terry had been attacked

1049
00:59:54.639 --> 00:59:56.800
<v Speaker 1>in his bed, dragged through his house and dena. Evidence

1050
00:59:56.840 --> 00:59:59.480
<v Speaker 1>linked Haley's blood to Derek's boots, and there were traces

1051
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:01.920
<v Speaker 1>of blood on the door handle's floor, clothing, and more,

1052
01:00:02.199 --> 01:00:06.920
<v Speaker 1>which all helped establish his movements after the murders. Investigators

1053
01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:09.719
<v Speaker 1>also testified about the discovery of the handwritten list in

1054
01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:13.079
<v Speaker 1>Derek's apartment. The crown argued that the list showed planning

1055
01:00:13.440 --> 01:00:18.760
<v Speaker 1>intent and supported the charge of first degree murder. Family

1056
01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:21.239
<v Speaker 1>members and friends of the victims were called to testify

1057
01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:25.559
<v Speaker 1>as well. Cheyenne Dunbar described her relationship with Terry, their

1058
01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:30.079
<v Speaker 1>shared custody agreement, and her past friendship with Derek. She

1059
01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:32.159
<v Speaker 1>told the court that she had not been in contact

1060
01:00:32.159 --> 01:00:34.679
<v Speaker 1>with him for years and had never suspected he was

1061
01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:38.760
<v Speaker 1>capable of violence. Terry's relatives and friends spoke about his

1062
01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:41.639
<v Speaker 1>dedication as a father and his efforts to build a

1063
01:00:41.679 --> 01:00:45.719
<v Speaker 1>stable life for Haley. The defense, on the other hand,

1064
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:48.800
<v Speaker 1>didn't dispute that Derek had committed the killings. There was

1065
01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:52.400
<v Speaker 1>too much evidence not to mention his recorded confessions. Their

1066
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:58.119
<v Speaker 1>strategy instead focused on his mental state now in the courtroom.

1067
01:00:58.159 --> 01:01:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Derek's lawyers argued that his history of mental illness, medication issues,

1068
01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:06.519
<v Speaker 1>and unusual beliefs affected his ability to form intent. They

1069
01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:10.679
<v Speaker 1>suggested that he had been experiencing psychological deterioration in the

1070
01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:14.800
<v Speaker 1>weeks leading up to the crimes. Psychiatrists and psychologists were

1071
01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:17.920
<v Speaker 1>both called on both sides to discuss Derek's mental health.

1072
01:01:18.400 --> 01:01:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Some experts acknowledged that he had struggled with mental illness.

1073
01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:25.199
<v Speaker 1>Others testified that despite this, he still understood his actions

1074
01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:30.400
<v Speaker 1>and their consequences. Throughout the trial, Derek remained mostly quiet.

1075
01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:34.679
<v Speaker 1>He rarely showed visible emotion and often avoided eye contact

1076
01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:38.280
<v Speaker 1>with witnesses. Observers noted that there were moments when he

1077
01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:41.480
<v Speaker 1>appeared very detached and others when he seemed to follow

1078
01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:46.519
<v Speaker 1>the testimony extremely closely. By the time the closing arguments approached,

1079
01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:50.519
<v Speaker 1>jurors had reviewed weeks of testimony, hundreds of exhibits, and

1080
01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:54.960
<v Speaker 1>hours of recorded footage, and in late June of twenty seventeen,

1081
01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:58.320
<v Speaker 1>the jury was given its final instructions by Justice William

1082
01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:04.119
<v Speaker 1>Tilleman and sent out to deliberate. After approximately only three hours,

1083
01:02:04.639 --> 01:02:08.280
<v Speaker 1>the jury returned to the courtroom with its verdict. Derrek

1084
01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:12.559
<v Speaker 1>Sretzki was found guilty on all counts of first degree

1085
01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:16.599
<v Speaker 1>murder for the death of Hannah MaCTec, for the death

1086
01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:20.519
<v Speaker 1>of Terry Blanchett and the death of Hailey Dunbar Blanchett,

1087
01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:24.760
<v Speaker 1>as well as one more account of committing an indignity

1088
01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:27.960
<v Speaker 1>to a dead body in relation to the cannibalism of

1089
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Hailey Dunbar Blanchett. Following the verdict, the court moved to

1090
01:02:33.559 --> 01:02:37.159
<v Speaker 1>the sentencing phase. Because first degree murder in Canada carries

1091
01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:40.880
<v Speaker 1>a mandatory life sentence, the main issue before the judge

1092
01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:44.559
<v Speaker 1>was whether that period of parole ineligibility would be served

1093
01:02:44.679 --> 01:02:48.280
<v Speaker 1>consecutively with each case. Now at the time, the law

1094
01:02:48.360 --> 01:02:53.159
<v Speaker 1>allowed judges to stack parole ineligibility periods for multiple murders,

1095
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:55.880
<v Speaker 1>meaning an offender could be required to serve far more

1096
01:02:55.920 --> 01:02:59.320
<v Speaker 1>than twenty five years before ever receiving eligibility for parole.

1097
01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:04.079
<v Speaker 1>Before sentencing was imposed, Victim impact statements were read in court.

1098
01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:07.920
<v Speaker 1>These statements gave family members and loved ones an opportunity

1099
01:03:07.960 --> 01:03:11.559
<v Speaker 1>to describe how the crimes had affected their lives. Cheyenne

1100
01:03:11.639 --> 01:03:14.039
<v Speaker 1>Dunbar spoke about the loss of her daughter and the

1101
01:03:14.079 --> 01:03:17.360
<v Speaker 1>permanent change that it had caused. She told the court

1102
01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:21.400
<v Speaker 1>that grief, anxiety, and depression had become daily struggles. She

1103
01:03:21.519 --> 01:03:24.679
<v Speaker 1>told them how every milestone Haley would ever have reached

1104
01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:28.639
<v Speaker 1>would forever remind her of what had been taken from her.

1105
01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:33.639
<v Speaker 1>Terry's sister, Amanda Blanchett, addressed the court as well. She

1106
01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:36.239
<v Speaker 1>said that Derek had stolen not just one life, but

1107
01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:39.360
<v Speaker 1>the future of an entire family. She spoke about the

1108
01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:42.360
<v Speaker 1>pain of losing her brother and the horror of knowing

1109
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:46.199
<v Speaker 1>what her niece had to endure. Friends and relatives of

1110
01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:50.719
<v Speaker 1>Hannah MaCTec also, while he submitted some statements One close

1111
01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:53.800
<v Speaker 1>friend described how Hannah's death had shattered the sense of

1112
01:03:54.159 --> 01:03:57.840
<v Speaker 1>safety in the community and left lasting emotional scars. She

1113
01:03:57.920 --> 01:04:01.119
<v Speaker 1>told the court that forgiveness was in in the face

1114
01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:06.119
<v Speaker 1>of such violence. When it was time for sentencing, Justice

1115
01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Tillman addressed the court. He stated that Derek had shown

1116
01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:13.639
<v Speaker 1>no regard for human life, community standards, or the rule

1117
01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:18.559
<v Speaker 1>of law. He described the crimes as terrible and incomprehensible,

1118
01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:23.119
<v Speaker 1>and emphasized the lasting harm that they had caused. The

1119
01:04:23.239 --> 01:04:28.320
<v Speaker 1>judge imposed three life sentences to be served consecutively, and

1120
01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:31.480
<v Speaker 1>he ordered that Derek would not be eligible to apply

1121
01:04:31.559 --> 01:04:36.159
<v Speaker 1>for parole for a total of seventy five years, effectively

1122
01:04:36.280 --> 01:04:38.000
<v Speaker 1>ensuring that he would never be released.

1123
01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Dang, dang, that's a good sentence.

1124
01:04:40.199 --> 01:04:42.960
<v Speaker 1>The sentence was one of the harshest available in Canada

1125
01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:47.559
<v Speaker 1>at the time. With sentencing complete, Derek was formally transferred

1126
01:04:47.559 --> 01:04:50.400
<v Speaker 1>to a feder a federal prison system sorry to begin

1127
01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:53.320
<v Speaker 1>serving his life sentence. But like many people convicted of

1128
01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:56.440
<v Speaker 1>serious crimes, he of course exercised his right to appeal

1129
01:04:56.480 --> 01:04:59.519
<v Speaker 1>both his conviction and his sentence. About a month after

1130
01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:02.280
<v Speaker 1>the verdict, his legal team filed formal appeals arguing that

1131
01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:04.639
<v Speaker 1>there were errors that had been made during the trial

1132
01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:09.320
<v Speaker 1>that the censing imposed was in was unconstitutional. One of

1133
01:05:09.320 --> 01:05:11.679
<v Speaker 1>the main arguments raised by the defense focused on the

1134
01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:16.280
<v Speaker 1>consecutive parole ineligibility periods. Defense lawyers argued that such a

1135
01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:20.119
<v Speaker 1>sentence amounted to cruel and unusual punishment and violated the

1136
01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:24.159
<v Speaker 1>Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. They claimed that denying

1137
01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:27.679
<v Speaker 1>any realistic chance a parole removed incentives for rehabilitation and

1138
01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:32.960
<v Speaker 1>stripped inmates of hope for eventual reintegration into society. The

1139
01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Alberta Court of Appeal reviewed those arguments, and in November

1140
01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:39.639
<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty they dismissed the appeal and upheld both

1141
01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:45.880
<v Speaker 1>his convictions and his sentence. However, the legal landscape shifted

1142
01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:49.719
<v Speaker 1>again in twenty twenty two. That year, the Supreme Court

1143
01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:53.119
<v Speaker 1>of Canada ruled that the provisions allowing judges to impose

1144
01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:57.760
<v Speaker 1>consecutive periods of parole ineligibility from multiple murders was in

1145
01:05:57.800 --> 01:06:02.800
<v Speaker 1>fact unconstitutional. The court determined that such sentences violated the

1146
01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:07.719
<v Speaker 1>Charter because they eliminated any meaningful possibility for parole of life.

1147
01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:11.320
<v Speaker 1>As a result of this decision, individuals who had received

1148
01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:16.599
<v Speaker 1>stacked parole ineligibility periods became eligible to apply for parole

1149
01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:20.480
<v Speaker 1>after serving twenty five years, regardless of the number of

1150
01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:26.119
<v Speaker 1>murders they had committed. The ruling applied retroactively, affecting cases

1151
01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:30.960
<v Speaker 1>across the country, including Derek's. And that decision makes my

1152
01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:31.840
<v Speaker 1>stomach turn.

1153
01:06:32.320 --> 01:06:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, that is so messed up because then it just

1154
01:06:35.559 --> 01:06:39.039
<v Speaker 2>like doesn't even matter how many people you kill, really.

1155
01:06:38.840 --> 01:06:41.199
<v Speaker 1>Correct, because you are allowed to apply for parole after

1156
01:06:41.199 --> 01:06:42.159
<v Speaker 1>twenty five years, So.

1157
01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Matter what, Yeah, if you freaking kill one person or

1158
01:06:44.960 --> 01:06:48.920
<v Speaker 2>you killed ten, it's like you get you can apply

1159
01:06:49.039 --> 01:06:50.559
<v Speaker 2>for parole at the same fucking time.

1160
01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Exactly. Just messed up, which means honestly, like in this case,

1161
01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:56.559
<v Speaker 1>Derek can apply for parole after twenty five years, but

1162
01:06:56.840 --> 01:07:00.320
<v Speaker 1>I do have to state approval is not automatic and

1163
01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:04.079
<v Speaker 1>many applicants are denied repeatedly, Yes.

1164
01:07:03.960 --> 01:07:07.679
<v Speaker 2>Which is good, and I feel like he would be denied.

1165
01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:10.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would hope so many times.

1166
01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:10.719
<v Speaker 2>I would think.

1167
01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:14.599
<v Speaker 1>Now, for the families of Terry, Haley and Hannah, that

1168
01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:18.199
<v Speaker 1>really meant that, beginning in early twenty forties, they could

1169
01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:21.280
<v Speaker 1>be required to relive the case every two years. If

1170
01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:25.119
<v Speaker 1>Derek chose to apply for parole. Each hearing would involve

1171
01:07:25.320 --> 01:07:30.360
<v Speaker 1>reviewing the crimes, submitting statements, and confronting the possibility of

1172
01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:35.159
<v Speaker 1>his eventual release. Victim advocates and family members across Canada

1173
01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:38.960
<v Speaker 1>criticized the decision, arguing that it placed additional emotional burden

1174
01:07:39.280 --> 01:07:43.840
<v Speaker 1>on those already affected by violent crimes. And I wholeheartedly

1175
01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:44.679
<v Speaker 1>agree with that.

1176
01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that's punishing them. I also think every two

1177
01:07:47.880 --> 01:07:51.239
<v Speaker 2>years is unreasonable. Yes, I think that should be changed

1178
01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:52.280
<v Speaker 2>to say every five.

1179
01:07:52.880 --> 01:07:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I agree. Actually, you're right. You know what, if

1180
01:07:56.320 --> 01:07:57.760
<v Speaker 1>you have I'm going to go out on a limb

1181
01:07:57.960 --> 01:08:03.039
<v Speaker 1>and say this, if you receive one murder sentence, you

1182
01:08:03.039 --> 01:08:05.800
<v Speaker 1>get a parole of twenty five years. Maybe after that,

1183
01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:09.800
<v Speaker 1>you know what, because there's so many situations, right, and

1184
01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:12.800
<v Speaker 1>so maybe in that situation you get every two maybe,

1185
01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:17.239
<v Speaker 1>but if you are killing multiple it should definitely not

1186
01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:19.079
<v Speaker 1>be too. If they're bringing it down to twenty five,

1187
01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:22.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking even twenty five and then every ten for parole.

1188
01:08:22.600 --> 01:08:25.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because imagine even just changing that, that would save

1189
01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:28.560
<v Speaker 2>a lot of money in people's time. It would because

1190
01:08:28.600 --> 01:08:31.279
<v Speaker 2>two years two years is I am going to say

1191
01:08:31.279 --> 01:08:34.119
<v Speaker 2>it again, unreasonable. It's not very much time.

1192
01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:36.439
<v Speaker 1>And exactly as you said too. There's almost no difference

1193
01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:38.960
<v Speaker 1>now in serving a sentence of if you kill one

1194
01:08:39.039 --> 01:08:42.800
<v Speaker 1>verse a dozen, yeah, which is bonkers. So you need

1195
01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:45.399
<v Speaker 1>to create a system where that balances out if you

1196
01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:48.000
<v Speaker 1>want to level the playing field on the you know what,

1197
01:08:48.079 --> 01:08:50.239
<v Speaker 1>maybe one day I can rehabilitate, maybe one day I

1198
01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:52.680
<v Speaker 1>can get out. Sure, do that, but you still need

1199
01:08:52.720 --> 01:08:55.720
<v Speaker 1>to account for the severity of their fucking crimes and

1200
01:08:55.800 --> 01:08:58.880
<v Speaker 1>how long they will spend behind bars. Yes, you want

1201
01:08:58.880 --> 01:09:00.760
<v Speaker 1>to give them the parole, give them the fucking parole,

1202
01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:03.199
<v Speaker 1>but limit their fucking parole.

1203
01:09:03.319 --> 01:09:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my god, damn it. Limited.

1204
01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'm getting I'm getting fucking angry. I'm starting to swear,

1205
01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:13.119
<v Speaker 1>so I'm getting angry. Anyways, regardless of the parle and

1206
01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:16.880
<v Speaker 1>legal decisions, the case is closed for now, and life

1207
01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:19.399
<v Speaker 1>in the Crow's Ness past slowly began to return to

1208
01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:23.399
<v Speaker 1>something resembling normal for residents of Blairmore, Coleman and the

1209
01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:26.640
<v Speaker 1>surrounding communities. However, the events of twenty fifteen left a

1210
01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:29.520
<v Speaker 1>lasting mark. The murders in the search for Haley had

1211
01:09:29.600 --> 01:09:32.680
<v Speaker 1>drawn national attention to a region that was normally quiet

1212
01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:35.199
<v Speaker 1>and close knit for many people who lived there. The

1213
01:09:35.239 --> 01:09:38.039
<v Speaker 1>sense of safety had been taken for granted and was

1214
01:09:38.119 --> 01:09:41.600
<v Speaker 1>permanently altered. In the months and years following the case,

1215
01:09:41.720 --> 01:09:45.600
<v Speaker 1>community members made deliberate efforts to focus on healing rather

1216
01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:49.399
<v Speaker 1>than the violence itself. One of the most visible examples

1217
01:09:49.399 --> 01:09:52.199
<v Speaker 1>of this was the creation of a playground and park

1218
01:09:52.279 --> 01:09:57.199
<v Speaker 1>in Blairmore named in Haley Dunbar Blanchette's memory, built through

1219
01:09:57.239 --> 01:10:00.720
<v Speaker 1>volunteer labor, labor and local fundrais seeing the park was

1220
01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:03.640
<v Speaker 1>meant to honor her life, becoming a place where families

1221
01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:06.960
<v Speaker 1>could gather and children could play, offering a small measure

1222
01:10:07.039 --> 01:10:11.159
<v Speaker 1>of hope in the aftermath of tragedy. Public memorials and

1223
01:10:11.199 --> 01:10:15.880
<v Speaker 1>private acts of remembrance continue as well. Vigils, anniversary gatherings,

1224
01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:19.039
<v Speaker 1>and charitable efforts help keep the victim's names present in

1225
01:10:19.039 --> 01:10:21.880
<v Speaker 1>the community without turning them into a symbol of fear.

1226
01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Residents often speak about the importance of remembering Terry as

1227
01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:30.119
<v Speaker 1>a devoted father and Hannah as a kind and generous

1228
01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:32.359
<v Speaker 1>neighbor who ain't going to take no shit from nobody's

1229
01:10:32.359 --> 01:10:34.920
<v Speaker 1>sort of attitude because fuck yeah, I love that, And

1230
01:10:35.000 --> 01:10:38.479
<v Speaker 1>rather than defining them only by their deaths, they're remembering

1231
01:10:38.520 --> 01:10:42.880
<v Speaker 1>them for Cheyenne Dunbar. Hailey's mother life after the case

1232
01:10:42.960 --> 01:10:47.479
<v Speaker 1>involved rebuilding in the face of overwhelming loss. In interviews

1233
01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:50.560
<v Speaker 1>following the trial, she spoke openly about the long term

1234
01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:54.520
<v Speaker 1>effects of grief, anxiety, and depression. Losing her daughter so

1235
01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:58.960
<v Speaker 1>suddenly and violently reshaped every aspect of her life. While

1236
01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:02.199
<v Speaker 1>she largely withdrew public attention later in the years, her

1237
01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:05.359
<v Speaker 1>testimony and statement during the trial reflected the depth of

1238
01:11:05.399 --> 01:11:10.680
<v Speaker 1>her commitment to preserving Haley's memory. Terry Blanchette's family also

1239
01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:14.720
<v Speaker 1>continued to navigate life without him. His sister, parents and

1240
01:11:14.800 --> 01:11:17.800
<v Speaker 1>extended relatives worked to keep his role as a loving

1241
01:11:17.840 --> 01:11:21.439
<v Speaker 1>father at the center of how he was remembered. Friends

1242
01:11:21.439 --> 01:11:24.239
<v Speaker 1>and former co workers frequently described him as someone who

1243
01:11:24.319 --> 01:11:27.079
<v Speaker 1>had been trying to improve his life and focus on

1244
01:11:27.159 --> 01:11:30.399
<v Speaker 1>his daughter, a narrative that stood in contrast to the

1245
01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:36.000
<v Speaker 1>violence that ended it. In Coleman, Hannah Macatac's absence was

1246
01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:39.520
<v Speaker 1>felt deeply among longtime residents and friends. She'd been a

1247
01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:42.920
<v Speaker 1>very familiar presence in town, and her death highlighted the

1248
01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:47.840
<v Speaker 1>vulnerability of elderly people living alone. Neighbours became more tentative

1249
01:11:47.880 --> 01:11:51.800
<v Speaker 1>to one another and informal support networks grew stronger in response.

1250
01:11:52.920 --> 01:11:56.520
<v Speaker 1>More than anything, though, the lasting legacy of the story

1251
01:11:56.560 --> 01:11:59.600
<v Speaker 1>in Crow's Nest Past is tied to the people who

1252
01:11:59.600 --> 01:12:04.399
<v Speaker 1>were law Ust, Terry, Hannah, and Haley are all remembered

1253
01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:07.520
<v Speaker 1>not for the violence inflicted on them, but for the

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<v Speaker 1>lives they lived within their families and communities. The story,

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<v Speaker 1>when followed from beginning to end, shows us how an

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<v Speaker 1>ordinary place was disrupted by extraordinary harm, how three people

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<v Speaker 1>were brutally killed, but it also shows how tragedy can

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<v Speaker 1>be turned into remembrance. All three victims are gone, and

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<v Speaker 1>another family lost their son to his actions and now

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<v Speaker 1>he's sitting behind bars. Yet their loved ones all still

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<v Speaker 1>hold on to their memories. They remember, they celebrate, and

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<v Speaker 1>in some cases, thanks to their beliefs, they wait for

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<v Speaker 1>the day they get to see them and embrace them

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<v Speaker 1>once again in another life. And that's the story of

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<v Speaker 1>Derek Suretzky.

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<v Speaker 2>That one is just so maddening.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very frustrating, to say the least two it is

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<v Speaker 1>because there's.

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<v Speaker 2>Just absolutely no point to any of that. It's fricking

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<v Speaker 2>sucks that it.

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<v Speaker 1>Happened, for sure, And I did kind of say it

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<v Speaker 1>at the end. But even Derek's family, like, they're grieving

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<v Speaker 1>heavily for what their son did, for what they lost

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<v Speaker 1>their son. Not only that, but it was the family

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<v Speaker 1>who turned him in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they had to make that choice, the right choice,

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<v Speaker 2>but that would not have been easy.

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<v Speaker 1>No. Now, don't get me wrong, He's still alive. But

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<v Speaker 1>the other three unfortunately or not, but they did lose

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<v Speaker 1>their son too.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not alive in the same way. Yes, And I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know about the playground that they made. That is

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<v Speaker 2>that is one of the most awesome memorials I think

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever heard of. Isn't it for a child? Hey?

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<v Speaker 2>That is really great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like that. Anyways, I don't think I want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk a whole lot about this one after the fact.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fucking sucked. I Derek is one hundred percent responsible.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've made it very clear before my views

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<v Speaker 1>on people with mental health issues committing murders. You still

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<v Speaker 1>fucking did it. You should still be behind bars. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you get rehabilitated though, but you should still be

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<v Speaker 1>behind fucking bars. So yeah, I'm gonna leave it at that.

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<v Speaker 1>How about you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think everyone just needs a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, to deflate a little bit right after

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<v Speaker 2>this one, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you guys for being here, and thank Nicole for

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<v Speaker 1>telling me to do this case she recommended it to me. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>other people, you know what, look at the podcast think hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I might want to listen to that too, So if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't us, If you don't, though, that's cool too.

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<v Speaker 1>We just appreciate you being here, so thank you, and

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<v Speaker 1>of course, until next

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<v Speaker 2>Time, stay wicked.
