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<v Speaker 1>Ready, get ready for.

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<v Speaker 2>October eighth, twenty twenty five, allegedly, according to that thing

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<v Speaker 2>we call a calendar, this the Ocelly effect. How do

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<v Speaker 2>I know that because you found us and I'm glad

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<v Speaker 2>you did. Anyway, Wednesday it's the middle of the week,

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<v Speaker 2>they say, and some places, I guess they still call

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<v Speaker 2>it Hume Day. I'm not sure. But either way, we're

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<v Speaker 2>not talking about that. We're not gonna talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>days of the week or the uh you know what

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<v Speaker 2>do they call that? The etymology of the names and

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<v Speaker 2>the nomenclature. No, we're not doing all that, but we

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<v Speaker 2>are gonna be sophisticated. Why do I say that. Larry

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<v Speaker 2>Hancock is with me live today and we're gonna tackle

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<v Speaker 2>guess what, some JFK stuff And maybe next time we

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<v Speaker 2>get together we're gonna do something way different. So stick around.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's always different with Larry anyway. If you go

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<v Speaker 2>to Larrydashancock dot com you read his blog, you know

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<v Speaker 2>he's got a diverse array of interest that he could

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<v Speaker 2>be relating to you on that blog. He's definitely written

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<v Speaker 2>a great many books that cover a lot of ground

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to the behavior of the national security state,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera, et cetera. Let's see most relevant books today

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<v Speaker 2>on this discussion would have to be the Oswald puzzle

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<v Speaker 2>tipping point. Someone would have talked, Yeah, all that, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe nexus nexus might be one. I know I don't

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<v Speaker 2>mention that one often, but nexus is a good one,

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<v Speaker 2>and I also just love that word. But anyway, Larry

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<v Speaker 2>dash Hancock or Larry Hypenhancock dot com. In the show notes,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll see it along with links to books, etc. So

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<v Speaker 2>now that I've gotten that out of the way as

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<v Speaker 2>quickly as I could, Larry, how are you doing tonight, sir?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I'm doing fine this evening, Chuck. Happy to be back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, listen, I am thrilled. And recently I was doing

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<v Speaker 2>an interview with somebody who wanted me to break down

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<v Speaker 2>films on the jfk assassination, and I brought you up

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<v Speaker 2>and how I'm so happy to have you on, and

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<v Speaker 2>I had to reference something that we recently spoke about,

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<v Speaker 2>not because you and I talk about films, but just

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<v Speaker 2>so happens, you and I talk about evidence, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about evidence collection and how it is you

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<v Speaker 2>should view things in history and context. So as soon

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<v Speaker 2>as I mentioned the word context. I said, Larry Hancock's

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<v Speaker 2>name has to come up here anyway, I did that.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is interesting because recent file releases, Jeff Morley

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<v Speaker 2>got very happy because he got at least part of

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<v Speaker 2>what he's been asking for for I don't know twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years now regarding the Joe and Edes file, etc. People

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<v Speaker 2>have made declarations about this. Jeff has written about it

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<v Speaker 2>quite a bit. Of course. JFK facts and he does

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<v Speaker 2>his zoom calls and he's got that thing going. And

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<v Speaker 2>he's the author of many books. We know that former reporter,

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<v Speaker 2>and we saw the article in his publication that he

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<v Speaker 2>used to work for at one point about this. And

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<v Speaker 2>he's been involved with Representative Luna and the Oversight Committee.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm trying to catch everybody up. Larry, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not trying to kill the air. I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get things out of the way for you. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot here to unpack, so to speak. And Jeff

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<v Speaker 2>has said a few things about what's been discovered. And oh,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, a name that I didn't used to

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<v Speaker 2>hear very much, but did hear in short bursts in

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<v Speaker 2>different time periods in research, Lore William King Harvey's name

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<v Speaker 2>comes up a bit lately, and one would wonder, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, how should we begin to look at,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what Jefferson Morley has been declaring, what he's

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<v Speaker 2>been writing about, what they're writing about at JFK Facts, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll give you guys the link to JFK Facts

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<v Speaker 2>tonight too, just because you should follow what Jeff is

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<v Speaker 2>doing over there. Of course, he's also the vice chair

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<v Speaker 2>of Mary Farrell Foundation. I think you owd a position

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<v Speaker 2>with them too, don't you, Larry.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, Yes, sir, I am a board member.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a board member as well. Okay, Look, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>keep track of all this, but I'm just saying there's

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<v Speaker 2>been a lot said, and I'm wondering, what about the progress, Larry,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think about the progress? Have we learned

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<v Speaker 2>something really truly new with the personnel files, etc? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>do you have an independent evaluation of this or what

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<v Speaker 2>do you think of what Jeff has been writing? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>not personally about what Jeff is writing necessarily, but about

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<v Speaker 2>the information that he's been writing about and what is

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<v Speaker 2>known that maybe previously wasn't etc. I'm throwing a ball

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<v Speaker 2>of questions at you where should we begin, Larry.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think it gets back and you mentioned context,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think it's fascinating at this point time, we

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<v Speaker 3>have spent decades essentially building context for what was going

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<v Speaker 3>on in nineteen sixty three, nineteen sixty two, nineteen sixty three.

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<v Speaker 3>Who was doing what, who had what job? You know,

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<v Speaker 3>who would be suspects? It just JFK Research has spent

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of time building data structures, if he will,

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<v Speaker 3>about who was doing what now while we were doing that,

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<v Speaker 3>which is largely grunt work, you know, what everybody is

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<v Speaker 3>hoping for is, Oh, for some reason, the government actually

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<v Speaker 3>knew what really happened, and it's all in some files somewhere,

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<v Speaker 3>and if we could just get them to release them,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we could avoid all that nonsense. We don't

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<v Speaker 3>have to do it ourselves. It's there and they will

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<v Speaker 3>tell us, you know, like that would be great because

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<v Speaker 3>that shortcuts the whole process. They know, their studies, their reports.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just great.

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<v Speaker 2>What'd you call it?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, now that the files are being released, we see

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<v Speaker 3>that that is not true. You know that. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know that many of us ever really thought that that

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<v Speaker 3>was going to happen, but it was. It was kind

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<v Speaker 3>of a hope. So what we're getting is more bits

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<v Speaker 3>and pieces to put into this structure that we built.

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<v Speaker 3>And a real question that comes out of all of

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<v Speaker 3>that is which of those bits are significant? And do

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<v Speaker 3>any of them really open a door?

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, Wait a second, here's the thing, right the

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<v Speaker 2>general public is almost in in some researchers are almost

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<v Speaker 2>in the perpetual search for the smoking gun. Okay, that's

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<v Speaker 2>really what I call that, where it's like I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to find this one clutch of documents or document that

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely proves insert in something into the blank, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean, and therefore the case is now totally

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<v Speaker 2>different or we have and I've always said, you know, look,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not going to get like, hello, I'm the agent

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<v Speaker 2>in charge, and I here is my confession, okay as

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<v Speaker 2>to how I allowed this to happen, participated in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Fill in the blank. Again. You're not gonna get that

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<v Speaker 2>the smoking gun is not going to be there. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be We knew this, and we knew

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<v Speaker 2>it this time, and this is how it went down

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<v Speaker 2>on one page. You're not getting that, okay, So you

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<v Speaker 2>got to remove the less than realistic expectations of the

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<v Speaker 2>general public from the equation. And then you also have

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<v Speaker 2>to remove some of the anxiety from researchers who maybe

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<v Speaker 2>have been in a pitched sort of work cycle trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get at a particular corner of the information field

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<v Speaker 2>right where they're particularly interested in, let's just say the Cubans,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're particularly interested in a group of Cubans. And

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, that might come up in a minute here,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just saying, right, because Joe and Edes we

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<v Speaker 2>got to talk Cubans, it's going to happen, and all

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<v Speaker 2>of that needs to be taken in context here. First

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<v Speaker 2>of all, remove your expectations and let's examine the evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>what tidbits there are, because that's really what keeps happening

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<v Speaker 2>is the collection. It's like collecting change in a jar.

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<v Speaker 2>Eventually you're going to have a bank that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>pay for something big, but you've got to collect that

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<v Speaker 2>change a while in that water bottle, right, Larry, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't that what we're looking at here?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? It is. And but if you step back for

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<v Speaker 3>a minute, what Jeff is pursued for all these years,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you might say, it's oh, it's real simple.

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<v Speaker 3>It has to do with the student director at the

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<v Speaker 3>Dre Joe and Edies. But what's at the bottom of

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<v Speaker 3>all of it really is the question of did the

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<v Speaker 3>CIA have a level of knowledge of Lee har Harvey Oswald?

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<v Speaker 3>Were they using him operationally or thinking about using him

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<v Speaker 3>operationally before the assassination? And did they withhold that from

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<v Speaker 3>the Warrant Commission and the HSCA. And was the CIA

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<v Speaker 3>guilty of obstruction of justice? Because if you said that,

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<v Speaker 3>that is a big thing. I mean literally, if I

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<v Speaker 3>said stood up and said, yes, the CIA had information

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<v Speaker 3>and they withheld it and you can't trust them. Therefore

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<v Speaker 3>there should be a new investigation because the investigation that

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<v Speaker 3>was conducted was flawed. That's a big deal. So at

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<v Speaker 3>the core of what Jeff is doing is really questioning

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<v Speaker 3>the credibility of the CIA in terms of what they

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<v Speaker 3>said or didn't say about Lee Harvey Oswald.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, shouldn't we be satisfied at this point though that

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<v Speaker 2>the CIA certainly acted in a way to manipulate the

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<v Speaker 2>investigation on some level due to the fact that if

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<v Speaker 2>Joe and Edes was attached to the HSCA when there

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<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be nobody involved in the circumstance sent

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<v Speaker 2>to the HSCA to be a liaison. I may not

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<v Speaker 2>be using the exact proper terms here, but I'm representing

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<v Speaker 2>this pretty well. Isn't that kind of a clear case

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<v Speaker 2>of you intentionally sent us a guy who's going to

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<v Speaker 2>have inside knowledge on certain things when you were told

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<v Speaker 2>not to to be a liaison. That indicates to me

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<v Speaker 2>that there is some effort to guide the investigation at

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<v Speaker 2>the very least in the direction or two. Is that

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<v Speaker 2>not a fair thing to say in your mind?

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<v Speaker 3>See would I would take a contrarian view of that,

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<v Speaker 3>because some people are saying that that's what's really come

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<v Speaker 3>out of this. I think that's a diversion because what

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<v Speaker 3>the bottom line is, the HCA and everybody knew this

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<v Speaker 3>was focused on collecting information relating to Cuba, the attempted

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<v Speaker 3>assassination of cast Or, so you know, the HSCA to

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<v Speaker 3>some extent was a follow on to the Church Committee.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you're going to provide a liaison to them,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean you are going to need to pick somebody

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<v Speaker 3>that knows something about those affairs that were going on

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<v Speaker 3>in sixty two sixty three. You're going to have to

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<v Speaker 3>send somebody Now, what's the role of the liaison If

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<v Speaker 3>you look at at what hard Way says and what

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<v Speaker 3>others says, that we were just hoping for someone who

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<v Speaker 3>would point us to information, not you know, so you

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<v Speaker 3>your question of improper behavior is then did they not

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<v Speaker 3>point them to certain information that would have helped their

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<v Speaker 3>investigation that would be culpable? And so in one hand,

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<v Speaker 3>I can say assigning Joan Edes who was worked at

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<v Speaker 3>Miami station, you know, did work with a student directorate.

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<v Speaker 3>Did we're in he's He's the kind of person that

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<v Speaker 3>you would want, I mean to help you. Then the

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<v Speaker 3>question is did he help you? Now? Was he acting

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<v Speaker 3>under orders not to help you? Did he make that

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<v Speaker 3>decision not to help you? Clearly he did obfuscate and

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<v Speaker 3>obstruct their efforts, There's no doubt about that that he did.

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<v Speaker 3>But I personally consider that, you know, as part of

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<v Speaker 3>all the things that the CIA knew and could have

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<v Speaker 3>helped with. That's only one part of it. So their

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<v Speaker 3>lack of support is much broader than that.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, that's true, But for context, Larry again, right now,

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<v Speaker 2>now here's where I had context. Wow, I'm stepping into it.

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<v Speaker 2>They also offered scientists to the HSCA when they said,

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<v Speaker 2>that previously worked with this stuff. We want fresh people

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<v Speaker 2>on it. And guess what a disingenuous offering once again

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<v Speaker 2>from the government to the HSCA, you know, the House

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<v Speaker 2>Select Committee, the government offering to itself. Yes again people

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<v Speaker 2>under false pretense. Right, Look, we don't want people that

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<v Speaker 2>were and they did this with the scientists. You know

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I think that's different. Check because this case,

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<v Speaker 3>the HSCA wanted somebody like that knew this subject, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and they didn't want somebody neutral or objected. They wanted

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<v Speaker 3>and Cuba. They did.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh oh uh oh, Sorry you dropped off for a

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<v Speaker 2>the CIA station there, but go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I would say that's a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 3>They wanted the liaison is there to help them things. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't want someone that doesn't know anything about the

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<v Speaker 3>has to have some credibility in terms of of knowing

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<v Speaker 3>that they had to whether it was Joan Es or

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<v Speaker 3>some other officer that was familiar with this, they did

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<v Speaker 3>have to pick somebody that supposedly knew where to go

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<v Speaker 3>and could provide advice and and and knew the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>joann Edies per se. I'm just saying to me, this

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<v Speaker 3>goes along and doesn't proactively give the investigation what it needs. Well, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I just see that as one more.

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<v Speaker 2>Time simultaneously, though, they didn't disclose this though to the

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Joannides didn't disclose it.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when I say they, I mean it wasn't disclosed

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<v Speaker 2>to them, I should say properly, right right right, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>fair enough, And yes, in the scientific arena, I would

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<v Speaker 2>say that, indeed, it's a little bit more of a

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<v Speaker 2>red flag because look, if you're asking for scientific you know,

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<v Speaker 2>experimentation to be conducted, you don't require somebody who's already

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<v Speaker 2>familiar with the material, because science is science. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 2>therefore familiarity is a factor here, and that's an adequate

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<v Speaker 2>counterpoint to what I said, and that's why I presented it.

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<v Speaker 2>But still I see a pattern of behavior here though,

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<v Speaker 2>where disclosure is not exactly upfront regarding did you work

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<v Speaker 2>with this stuff before? I'm just saying from more than

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<v Speaker 2>one government agency, Okay, And I think that's a fair assessment, right,

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<v Speaker 2>That's all I.

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<v Speaker 3>Would certainly yeah, I would certainly agree that the disclosure

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<v Speaker 3>is not a priority, right, Okay, enough, And it gets

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<v Speaker 3>much worse than that. I mean, that's what That's what

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<v Speaker 3>join Edes really tells us, and that the door that

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<v Speaker 3>is join Edes has opened is the fact, and Jeff

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<v Speaker 3>has opened with join Edes. Was that knowledge of Lee

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<v Speaker 3>Harvey Oswald at the Miami station within the Special Affairs

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<v Speaker 3>staff was far greater than we could ever document before.

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<v Speaker 3>Far more people were aware of Oswald, far more people

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<v Speaker 3>were aware of Oswald in New Orleans, of his activities,

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<v Speaker 3>of what he had done with the Student Directorate, with

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<v Speaker 3>what was going on at Oswald. In contemporary fashion, we

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<v Speaker 3>combine what the door that opened through join Edes with

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<v Speaker 3>the door that Simpacha had opened early, which shows all

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<v Speaker 3>these same people were also being told about Oswoll by

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<v Speaker 3>the FBI, not just the Student Directorate, but by the FBI.

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<v Speaker 3>So I can give you half a dozen people at

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<v Speaker 3>Miami Station who knew all this contemporary information on Oswal. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>they all know that he's been arrested. They all know

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<v Speaker 3>that he's working with the FPCC, and there's an association

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<v Speaker 3>there they all know about. You know, this is knowledge

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<v Speaker 3>that's fairly broadly spread across both Miami Station and Jim Wave,

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<v Speaker 3>SAS and jam Way. Yet they all know this in September,

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<v Speaker 3>they all know this in October. Yet when Oswell shows

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<v Speaker 3>up in Mexico City and my Mexico City Station asked

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<v Speaker 3>for information, nobody provides that information. Now you might think, well,

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<v Speaker 3>this is just a mistake, it's a clerical mistake because

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<v Speaker 3>that information is just in one file and it's at

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<v Speaker 3>headquarters and it's in security, and we don't share stair

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<v Speaker 3>stuff that's in security files, et cetera, et cetera. But no,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not just in that one place. It's all over

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<v Speaker 3>the Cuba Project and the Spatial Affair staff, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>withheld from Mexico City Station. So this really shows a

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<v Speaker 3>level of compartment it shows a level of operational It

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<v Speaker 3>proves I'll go beyond that, it proves a level of

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<v Speaker 3>operational compartmentalization that we just thought about before we speculated

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<v Speaker 3>about it. Jeff and John questioned, Buttermer and she says, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it looks like that. Well, now there's no looks like it.

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<v Speaker 3>It is absolutely confirmed in two independent directions that there

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<v Speaker 3>was something going on with nolg Edge about Lee Rvy Oswald,

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<v Speaker 3>that the Cuba project, that Gerald's people were shielding from

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<v Speaker 3>the rest of the CIA.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you have that. Also, I think it's worthy

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<v Speaker 2>to mention though, that you have Oswald being noticed, let's say,

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<v Speaker 2>in a lot of halls of investigation, okay, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of halls of intelligence, and yet he never quite makes

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<v Speaker 2>it to the you know, the big ring binder of

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<v Speaker 2>threat assessment when it comes to the Secret Service. You

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<v Speaker 2>know it. And some people would say, look, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>product of the time, et cetera. But you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>had known threats. If the President was going to a city,

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<v Speaker 2>the known threats were tracked down. They had a little

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a little flip book in some cases of

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<v Speaker 2>these people that they had to go track down, figure

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<v Speaker 2>out where they would be on the day the President

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<v Speaker 2>would be there. Things like that. The advanced team had

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<v Speaker 2>to do this stuff. So I'm just saying, look, there

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<v Speaker 2>is a difference in the continuity of these agencies from

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<v Speaker 2>then to now, certainly, but from then from a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of different points of view here. And you also have

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<v Speaker 2>the oddity of you know, the FBI and the threat

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<v Speaker 2>assessment and how that changed and there was an alert

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<v Speaker 2>on them and it got dropped, And a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>things are going on here. This is not like some

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<v Speaker 2>stale old information either, Larry right. This is all current stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>including the alleged visit to Mexico City.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, but there I think we've learned that there's

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<v Speaker 3>that may make more sense than it looked like in

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning. First of all, as far as the Secret

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<v Speaker 3>Service and threat assessment, there's absolutely no reason that Oswald

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<v Speaker 3>would have been considered a threat. You only got on

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<v Speaker 3>the threat list if you expressed a threat, if you

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<v Speaker 3>said the President ought to be shocked, the president, we

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<v Speaker 3>got to get rid of him, so on and so forth.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, he's a trader, he said. Oswell never said

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<v Speaker 3>anything like that. If anything, he said just the opposite.

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<v Speaker 3>So there was nothing that Now what would make him

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<v Speaker 3>of serious interest. And what jayek Er who were complained about,

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<v Speaker 3>is that the CIA. Mexico City, not the CIA. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>Mexico City, who was generating the information on Oswald in

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<v Speaker 3>their station, basically didn't up the ante. They if they

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<v Speaker 3>had known about his recent activities, if they had known

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<v Speaker 3>about his arrest, if they had known about his connection

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<v Speaker 3>to the affair Play for Cuba committee, clearly they would

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<v Speaker 3>have amped up attention to Lee Harvey Oswall, not just

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<v Speaker 3>within the CIA, but with the other agencies. Now that

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<v Speaker 3>they did report his they didn't did report his visit

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<v Speaker 3>to other agencies, but they didn't report all the elements

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<v Speaker 3>of it, and they didn't give it any recent history.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't talking about context, They didn't give it any

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<v Speaker 3>current context because that was withheld from them. So even Hoover,

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<v Speaker 3>we know, famously made a note on the thing that

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<v Speaker 3>was like, we just cannot trust the CIA to provide

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<v Speaker 3>us with current correct information. And he was right right now,

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<v Speaker 3>why wasn't that provided Well, it was because Mexico City

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<v Speaker 3>station wasn't given it. So why was it withheld from them? Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>the only thing that makes any sense is that Oswald

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<v Speaker 3>was at a minimum being considered for operational use by

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<v Speaker 3>the CIA. So I would agree with part of this

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<v Speaker 3>there are a lot of things going on with Oswald,

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<v Speaker 3>but it wasn't. The system as a whole was being

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<v Speaker 3>neutered to a certain extent because of this compartmentalization of information,

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<v Speaker 3>which makes it a lot more important if you think

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<v Speaker 3>about it. We've always talked about it. It's because what

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<v Speaker 3>was the net result of all of this. The net

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<v Speaker 3>result was to keep Oswald's profile at a low level,

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<v Speaker 3>and the CIA did another action that was the same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>The Student Directorate had been promoting Oswald. They had been

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<v Speaker 3>not just in New Orleans, but they had been sending

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<v Speaker 3>out flyers and letters to Congress drawing attention to Oswald

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<v Speaker 3>and proud about it because that's what they were supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to be doing in terms of propaganda. So what happens

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<v Speaker 3>does the CIA seize on that and make it a

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<v Speaker 3>big deal, and because it was great, it was working,

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<v Speaker 3>it was great media stuff. No, it gets shut down.

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<v Speaker 3>So not only does the information on Oswald gets compartmentalized,

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<v Speaker 3>the propaganda that the DRE had started gets shut down,

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<v Speaker 3>and suddenly what was a great story and what they

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<v Speaker 3>thought they had done really goes away. So it's all

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<v Speaker 3>being dampened down domestically inside the United States and your

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<v Speaker 3>point earlier. The point is Oswald's profile is lower than

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<v Speaker 3>it should have been, maybe not as a threat, but

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<v Speaker 3>just in terms of visibility.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and we also still to this day, I don't think, no,

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<v Speaker 2>precisely what was in the hands of the what is it,

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<v Speaker 2>the House on an American Activities Committee, right, because I've

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<v Speaker 2>heard of allegations. I've read of allegations that indeed Oswald's

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<v Speaker 2>name and other informa might have traveled to that, right

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<v Speaker 2>and those files are still classified all the way around

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<v Speaker 2>as far as I know. Maybe I'm wrong about that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, somebody could check on.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, that could be good considering what the dr the

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<v Speaker 3>letters that they were writing to Congress, the flyers they

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<v Speaker 3>were sending that that certainly wouldn't be. In fact, you'd

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<v Speaker 3>almost expect some of that to hand up with the

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<v Speaker 3>HFCA because obviously they were sending it to conservative, right

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<v Speaker 3>wing android you know, anti communist legislators, right who you know?

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<v Speaker 3>That seems like that would be a logical thing. So no,

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<v Speaker 3>we don't know about that, right, No.

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<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to point that out. Okay, So let's

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<v Speaker 2>get back on track. What have we learned very recently though?

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<v Speaker 2>Outside of what you've already pointed out that is of

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<v Speaker 2>significance in your mind. I mean, is there some other

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<v Speaker 2>bullet point here to be made regarding this? And oh,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, why did I mention William King Harvey earlier?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe we should get to that. Give somebody a thumbnail

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<v Speaker 2>in case they've never heard that name. I've heard it

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<v Speaker 2>really way out of context in other fields of study.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's say, you know where people talk about, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>his behavior and where he got sent and everything else.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, who is this guy? And you know, how

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<v Speaker 2>do we enter that into the discussion? But also what

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<v Speaker 2>have we learned as of late? That's like brand new?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there something brand new?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, go ahead, there is something brand new? And I

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<v Speaker 3>think here we get back to So let's let's have

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<v Speaker 3>a picture of Mexico City Station station in the summer

417
00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:51.519
<v Speaker 3>fall of nineteen sixty three. What's going on, Well, there's

418
00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:55.119
<v Speaker 3>a lot going on. But on one side over with

419
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:59.880
<v Speaker 3>the Fitzgerald's Special Affairs staff, which is the Cuba Project.

420
00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:04.319
<v Speaker 3>We just talked about the fact that Oswell is visible.

421
00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:07.640
<v Speaker 3>He's visible to a number of people there, both in

422
00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:15.920
<v Speaker 3>the propaganda section, the counterintelligence section, and that information we can't.

423
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:19.440
<v Speaker 3>One of our problems, of course, is that, as I been,

424
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:22.279
<v Speaker 3>one of our problems is that all of the memoranda

425
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:27.559
<v Speaker 3>and reports that we should see related the information being

426
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:33.880
<v Speaker 3>passed on from the student Directorate is gone, literally gone.

427
00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:39.680
<v Speaker 3>It's just missing. The case officer reports, joined EDI's reports

428
00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:44.599
<v Speaker 3>are gone. We look at the history of the group

429
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:48.559
<v Speaker 3>for that year at headquarters and we find nothing about this,

430
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:54.519
<v Speaker 3>which is insane. But so we know that the special

431
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:59.160
<v Speaker 3>affairs staff there know about Oswell, they know about Oswell's

432
00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:03.759
<v Speaker 3>engagement with the DRE. Uh. That information would have been

433
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.079
<v Speaker 3>shared with the other people at the station that have

434
00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:11.240
<v Speaker 3>been working the DRE issue, and that would include David Morales,

435
00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:16.599
<v Speaker 3>and it would include uh, you know Morales because he

436
00:28:16.640 --> 00:28:21.279
<v Speaker 3>had actually been the military officer advisor to the DRE

437
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:27.119
<v Speaker 3>up until about the beginning of the year. Uh, that

438
00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:30.920
<v Speaker 3>information would have been passed on. Uh. He was, he

439
00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:33.759
<v Speaker 3>was one of the he was. His complaints were one

440
00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:38.119
<v Speaker 3>of the main reasons why Helms brought in Joann Edes

441
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:41.279
<v Speaker 3>and they put the dr into new management. So, you know,

442
00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:45.680
<v Speaker 3>that's an obvious thing. So people in Miami station know

443
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:48.880
<v Speaker 3>about Oswald, what else is going on? So and that's

444
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:51.680
<v Speaker 3>been hidden Okay, so let's just look at what's been hidden.

445
00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:58.519
<v Speaker 3>The knowledge of Oswell has been hidden, sanitized, scrub whatever

446
00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:03.000
<v Speaker 3>you want. And and after the assass it's amazing. After

447
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:07.160
<v Speaker 3>the assassination, all of those people whose names that we

448
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:11.720
<v Speaker 3>see copied on distribution from the FBI. Oh, the FBI

449
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:16.039
<v Speaker 3>told none of those people ever admitted having heard of Oswald.

450
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:20.240
<v Speaker 3>It's like, yes, there was a there was a knowledge

451
00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:23.960
<v Speaker 3>of Oswald that everybody chose not to talk about, not

452
00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:27.200
<v Speaker 3>just join Edies, but a lot of other people, John

453
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:30.720
<v Speaker 3>Ed's boss, Tilton, the CI people, a lot of people

454
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:35.799
<v Speaker 3>just wasn't just join Edies holding back information. Uh. But

455
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:40.000
<v Speaker 3>then again, nobody asked them the right questions, you know. Okay,

456
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:44.799
<v Speaker 3>of course, yes, So let's let's go to to William

457
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:48.680
<v Speaker 3>King Harvey, who, after his testimony to the House Select Committee,

458
00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:52.960
<v Speaker 3>was quoted by reporters as saying, oh, they didn't ask

459
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:57.960
<v Speaker 3>me the right questions, like can you see law enforcement

460
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:01.079
<v Speaker 3>things going on like this? It's like I won't tell

461
00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:03.960
<v Speaker 3>the police. You know, they didn't ask me if my

462
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:07.359
<v Speaker 3>cousin killed this guy, so I don't have to tell them, right,

463
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.039
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's unless they ask me the right questions.

464
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:14.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm safe, everybody's say, But William. The other thing that's

465
00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:20.359
<v Speaker 3>going on in Miami that is totally mysterious and totally

466
00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:26.480
<v Speaker 3>compartmentalized is the Castro assassination project that's been going on

467
00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:30.279
<v Speaker 3>for about two and a half years by that point

468
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:33.880
<v Speaker 3>in time, and it's known under the crypt z R

469
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:42.200
<v Speaker 3>rifle slash m I, which means uh assassin assassination project

470
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:49.000
<v Speaker 3>targeting Castro run through Miami station right, very specific. So

471
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:51.039
<v Speaker 3>there are a group of people that have been involved

472
00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:55.680
<v Speaker 3>there supporting this for some time and they're still supporting it,

473
00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:00.160
<v Speaker 3>and there are no records of this. And when inquire

474
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:05.799
<v Speaker 3>were made, the people said, basically, we never wrote memoranda

475
00:31:05.880 --> 00:31:08.480
<v Speaker 3>about those sorts of things, We never made documents. It

476
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:13.279
<v Speaker 3>was all on telephone conversations. It's was never discussed anywhere.

477
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:16.119
<v Speaker 3>So you're never going to find any record of it, Okay.

478
00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:21.319
<v Speaker 3>But one of the things that we've kind of missed

479
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:24.960
<v Speaker 3>in a way was that that project was still very

480
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:29.759
<v Speaker 3>live up until the time of the assassination, and the

481
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:34.000
<v Speaker 3>person who had been running it was William King Harvey.

482
00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:40.559
<v Speaker 3>William King Harvey had had started he hadn't started the effort,

483
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:45.240
<v Speaker 3>It had started before him. Under Richard Bissell. Okay, Richard

484
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Bissell started this assassin executive action project, if you will,

485
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:54.599
<v Speaker 3>to set up a system by one whereby you could

486
00:31:54.880 --> 00:32:01.279
<v Speaker 3>kill senior foreign leaders if somebody unquote press the button.

487
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:05.960
<v Speaker 3>That task was given to Harvey by Bissell. He started

488
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:08.839
<v Speaker 3>working on it. How you would set it up, who

489
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:11.400
<v Speaker 3>would you would use, how would you make it deniable?

490
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:17.759
<v Speaker 3>And then shortly after that he was assigned to the

491
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:22.319
<v Speaker 3>UH the New Cuba project that came out after the

492
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:28.440
<v Speaker 3>missile crisis. I'm sorry. After Bay of Pigs and et

493
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:34.160
<v Speaker 3>took over Mongoose under Lansdale and and revived the assassination

494
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:37.839
<v Speaker 3>project and made it part of this. You know, we've

495
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:41.920
<v Speaker 3>got an assassination project. Castro is a foreign leader. He qualifies,

496
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:46.000
<v Speaker 3>So we'll call it ZR Rifle am I, and we'll

497
00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:49.599
<v Speaker 3>target it on Castro. So, if you think about it

498
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:53.319
<v Speaker 3>in for a minute, William King, Harvey is like, how

499
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:59.839
<v Speaker 3>many people inside the CIA are actually trusted, selected felt

500
00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:05.319
<v Speaker 3>to have the fortitude, the moral quotient whatever to kill

501
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:14.039
<v Speaker 3>presidents and national leaders at direction? You know, there aren't

502
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:17.599
<v Speaker 3>a lot of those guys. He's very unique in the

503
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:20.039
<v Speaker 3>fact that they picked him in the first place that

504
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:23.160
<v Speaker 3>he took the assignment and that he carries on with

505
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:30.000
<v Speaker 3>it through nineteen sixty three. We never really understood the

506
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:32.480
<v Speaker 3>fact that he carried under We thought we thought it

507
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:35.720
<v Speaker 3>was done in nineteen sixty three. We thought we had

508
00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:38.680
<v Speaker 3>been misled by the fact that it had been closed down,

509
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:43.039
<v Speaker 3>he'd gotten rid of the assets, and he had been

510
00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:48.079
<v Speaker 3>transferred to Rome as a political officer in Rome, headed

511
00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:52.039
<v Speaker 3>the CI station there, And so really he as of

512
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:58.960
<v Speaker 3>April March April he had he should have been off

513
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:02.440
<v Speaker 3>the map, as it were, inside the US. He shouldn't

514
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:07.160
<v Speaker 3>have been doing anything in the US. But what Jeff's

515
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:11.519
<v Speaker 3>work is uncovered, and what the committee hascovered is a

516
00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:15.760
<v Speaker 3>document showing at exactly that point in time, there is

517
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:22.880
<v Speaker 3>an application to the FAA for a new credential that

518
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:29.559
<v Speaker 3>would give Harvey essentially an FAA cover. Okay, suddenly he's

519
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:34.960
<v Speaker 3>working for the United States the FAA and he has

520
00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:41.079
<v Speaker 3>FAA credentials in his name, which is very interesting because

521
00:34:41.800 --> 00:34:44.280
<v Speaker 3>what comes out of that It appears that he could

522
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:50.280
<v Speaker 3>use those credentials to travel at will anywhere by air

523
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:53.559
<v Speaker 3>domestically that he wanted. And I think it's interesting that

524
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:58.400
<v Speaker 3>his biographer rights that he was at such a level

525
00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:02.039
<v Speaker 3>inside the agency that he didn't have to get permission

526
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:06.119
<v Speaker 3>for anything that he did, any travel. He doesn't have

527
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:08.360
<v Speaker 3>to you know, he doesn't have to have projects, he

528
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:11.440
<v Speaker 3>doesn't have to get assignments. He just goes and does

529
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:14.360
<v Speaker 3>whatever he wants to do and if he decides he

530
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:16.360
<v Speaker 3>wants to file an expense report.

531
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:21.440
<v Speaker 2>And also being assigned to Rome, at this point, one

532
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:24.800
<v Speaker 2>would beg the very simple question of what you need

533
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.840
<v Speaker 2>FAA credentials for? If you are now attached to the

534
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:35.280
<v Speaker 2>station in Rome, you're not given to really through your work,

535
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:39.480
<v Speaker 2>have to fly in the US. So much seems like

536
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:41.800
<v Speaker 2>or do you have to be involved? You know how

537
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:44.400
<v Speaker 2>much involvement with the FAA do if you're in Rome.

538
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:46.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just basic.

539
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:50.880
<v Speaker 3>You have none. It makes That's that's why I consider

540
00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:54.800
<v Speaker 3>this another. What this has really raised the bar on

541
00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:58.760
<v Speaker 3>is and you know this Chuck that listeners may not

542
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:03.280
<v Speaker 3>know this is that for a period of time we

543
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:06.840
<v Speaker 3>have known that this this group that Harvey had put

544
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:13.199
<v Speaker 3>together to kill Castro in various ways, had himself John Roselli,

545
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:21.199
<v Speaker 3>Antonio Verona, and a few guys Uh Morales out of

546
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:23.880
<v Speaker 3>the Miami station that was that was the core of

547
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:29.000
<v Speaker 3>the group. Okay, it's been known for some time that

548
00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:34.320
<v Speaker 3>that Roselli actually went to Washington, d C. At the

549
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:40.000
<v Speaker 3>time the Garrison investigation was started and tried and talked

550
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:43.639
<v Speaker 3>to Jack Anderson flowed a story that got all the

551
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:48.039
<v Speaker 3>way to Hoover Johnson, basically that there had been a

552
00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:55.599
<v Speaker 3>conspiracy and that the conspiracy involved Fidel Castro taking a

553
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:59.760
<v Speaker 3>group of CIA assets that have been trying to kill

554
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:04.199
<v Speaker 3>him and killing the President of the United States instead.

555
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.159
<v Speaker 3>Now that that story never made much sense if you

556
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:09.800
<v Speaker 3>think about it a bit. One of the things this

557
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:13.639
<v Speaker 3>is raised the whole question of we need to take

558
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:20.000
<v Speaker 3>another look at these guys, Harvey, Roselli, Morales what they're

559
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:24.079
<v Speaker 3>doing in nineteen sixty three, because Harvey is obviously doing

560
00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:27.880
<v Speaker 3>something operationally that we didn't know about and that we

561
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:31.440
<v Speaker 3>don't know about. And one of the things I've been doing,

562
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:35.199
<v Speaker 3>I've just just been reading through the best biography of

563
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:40.760
<v Speaker 3>Harvey called Floyd Patriot. But I find that Harvey was

564
00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:48.480
<v Speaker 3>among his closest friends independently circulating that same story. Rosselli was, Yeah,

565
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:52.440
<v Speaker 3>Castro killed JFK. And he used these Cubans to do it.

566
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:57.199
<v Speaker 3>And you know that they CEI thought there were there

567
00:37:57.239 --> 00:38:01.000
<v Speaker 3>guys and they were actually Castro's guys. So Castro's behind

568
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:05.280
<v Speaker 3>it all. It just looks like it was anti Castro

569
00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:09.039
<v Speaker 3>Cubans because it was so well done and everything. So

570
00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:15.000
<v Speaker 3>Harvey is spreading this conspiracy story independently as well. Something

571
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:20.239
<v Speaker 3>is going on. These guys have even got their story synchronized, right,

572
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:23.840
<v Speaker 3>Why would this be? Why should they even be know

573
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:27.159
<v Speaker 3>each other, why should they be friends long term? As

574
00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:30.599
<v Speaker 3>we now know they were? What's going on in nineteen

575
00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:34.559
<v Speaker 3>sixty three that they felt that they had to defend

576
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:38.239
<v Speaker 3>with his story When Garrison starts his investigation.

577
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Well, and there's the trouble, right, because it's not necessarily

578
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:45.559
<v Speaker 2>that the story is accurate. But what is being covered

579
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:49.679
<v Speaker 2>with this story? Because one would think also that you know,

580
00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:52.920
<v Speaker 2>what about the sabotage operations that were going on, right

581
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:58.199
<v Speaker 2>and things like that, which were going on concurrently with

582
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:03.760
<v Speaker 2>the assassination against Castro. Right, these things are going on

583
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:06.760
<v Speaker 2>at the same time, the pig flu and you know,

584
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:11.519
<v Speaker 2>the swine virus whatever, swine flu, all these weird sabotage

585
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:14.000
<v Speaker 2>operations and things, right, So.

586
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:19.079
<v Speaker 5>One might say the interesting thing is yeah, good, yeah,

587
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.559
<v Speaker 5>Jack you got The really fascinating thing about is we

588
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:26.679
<v Speaker 5>know about all those Yeah, those have been revealed and documented.

589
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:30.840
<v Speaker 3>Those were sanctioned, as as nasty as they might be, right,

590
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:34.800
<v Speaker 3>they were sanctioned projects. We know about them. The Church

591
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:37.719
<v Speaker 3>Committee flushed them out and investigate them, and we know

592
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:41.719
<v Speaker 3>when they stopped or started, when they stopped, who was involved.

593
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:44.440
<v Speaker 3>We know about all those other things. We know about

594
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:48.199
<v Speaker 3>the missions that were being ordered against Cuba out of

595
00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:53.119
<v Speaker 3>JM Wave, We know about the Amworld project, We know

596
00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:56.239
<v Speaker 3>about the Regime chan we know about all this other stuff.

597
00:39:56.599 --> 00:40:00.559
<v Speaker 3>We know nothing about what Harvey was doing with the

598
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:05.360
<v Speaker 3>r rifle. And it appears that that was totally undocumented,

599
00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:11.239
<v Speaker 3>totally out of uncontrolled, and it's unclear that Fitzgerald even

600
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:15.199
<v Speaker 3>knew about it. It literally is unclear that anybody knew

601
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:18.800
<v Speaker 3>what Harvey was doing. Yet Harvey was doing something so

602
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:24.800
<v Speaker 3>significant that he gets an FAA cover and credentials and

603
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:27.519
<v Speaker 3>it's invisible. What and the heck was that?

604
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:34.760
<v Speaker 2>And studying what Jack Anderson winds up floating, okay, as

605
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:39.000
<v Speaker 2>a journalist in air quotes, but you know how much

606
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:42.639
<v Speaker 2>agency contact he had and how much propaganda he was

607
00:40:42.679 --> 00:40:48.920
<v Speaker 2>putting out there in order to steer the narratives. Let's say. Look,

608
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:51.280
<v Speaker 2>I'll leave that for someone else to study, and I'm

609
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.559
<v Speaker 2>not going to ask you to explain it. But one

610
00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:57.400
<v Speaker 2>would say that it is rather curious that this story

611
00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:00.400
<v Speaker 2>is being floated by a guy like him and a

612
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:04.480
<v Speaker 2>guy like Harvey, because you would think normally they would

613
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:11.760
<v Speaker 2>give Anderson the disinformation right in order to cover the

614
00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:13.960
<v Speaker 2>thing that Harvey knows about that. This is the way

615
00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:17.239
<v Speaker 2>I would see the pattern normally that Harvey's doing. Here's

616
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:20.519
<v Speaker 2>Jack Anderson with the cover story to kind of steer

617
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:24.840
<v Speaker 2>people away from the real deal, and we have synchronization

618
00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:28.559
<v Speaker 2>of these two things, am I reading?

619
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:32.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Right, Okay, now that's exactly. Well. First of all,

620
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:36.719
<v Speaker 3>you would expect everybody not to talk to Jack Anderson.

621
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:40.199
<v Speaker 3>I mean, at that point in time, Roselli was actually

622
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:44.679
<v Speaker 3>under heavy FBI pressure, he was under legal pressure, he

623
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:47.599
<v Speaker 3>was likely to be deported, he was likely to go

624
00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:52.880
<v Speaker 3>to You know, there's no reason for Roselle to make

625
00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:58.039
<v Speaker 3>himself visible. You would want to be as invisible as possible.

626
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:00.920
<v Speaker 3>You don't want people, you know, the fb's our eyes

627
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:03.519
<v Speaker 3>already on your case. Now they're going to be on

628
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:07.159
<v Speaker 3>your case because the President assigned us to interview about

629
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:11.559
<v Speaker 3>your assassination story. You know, last thing he needs is

630
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:16.559
<v Speaker 3>more interviews with the FBI diddle with Harvey. Harvey had

631
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:22.199
<v Speaker 3>already been under express censure actually internally, and could have

632
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:26.639
<v Speaker 3>been fired because he had continued to meet with Roselli,

633
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:31.519
<v Speaker 3>a known criminal figure. I mean, the CIA guys that

634
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:34.679
<v Speaker 3>knew about that thought, why this is insane, Why would

635
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:38.280
<v Speaker 3>he do this. There's something going on between these two

636
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:42.440
<v Speaker 3>guys that is just strange. And so I think you've

637
00:42:42.440 --> 00:42:44.920
<v Speaker 3>got a real point there. First of all, they would

638
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:49.760
<v Speaker 3>have been saying nothing. Something put them under so much

639
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:54.440
<v Speaker 3>pressure that they felt that they had to personally start

640
00:42:54.559 --> 00:43:00.639
<v Speaker 3>circulating disinformation. What was that? Was it? Because they thought

641
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:03.800
<v Speaker 3>there was going to be an investigation and the investigation

642
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:07.280
<v Speaker 3>was going in the right direction. Because we do know

643
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:12.039
<v Speaker 3>at that point in time when that happened, that Garrison

644
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:16.599
<v Speaker 3>had his investigation buried and nobody knew about it, and

645
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:19.719
<v Speaker 3>he was going to Miami and he was going after

646
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:23.559
<v Speaker 3>Cubans that had been associated with us Oswald and he

647
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:27.480
<v Speaker 3>ended up being directed to Bernardo, to Taurus, who is

648
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:30.280
<v Speaker 3>a prime suspect is being part of all of this,

649
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:33.639
<v Speaker 3>and Detaurus worked with him for a bit and then

650
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:36.000
<v Speaker 3>immediately took it to the press and blew open his

651
00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:43.679
<v Speaker 3>whole investigation, which started his downfall. But you know, obviously

652
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:48.360
<v Speaker 3>one thought is that somebody was really afraid that Garrison

653
00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:52.400
<v Speaker 3>was starting to look in the right direction. So if

654
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:54.800
<v Speaker 3>anybody's going to look towards Cuba, we want him to

655
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:59.280
<v Speaker 3>look at Fidel, not our Cubans, right, right.

656
00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:01.760
<v Speaker 2>And the other strange thing here is that, you know,

657
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:04.320
<v Speaker 2>when they're talking about, well, the anti Castro Cubans were

658
00:44:04.360 --> 00:44:08.480
<v Speaker 2>turned back around the other way, well, Oswald was like

659
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:13.519
<v Speaker 2>a pro castro guy you know, out there, which is weird,

660
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:17.639
<v Speaker 2>right because and not even officially, because he wasn't officially

661
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:21.639
<v Speaker 2>part of the Fair Play for Cuba committee, Right, So

662
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:26.599
<v Speaker 2>he's out there with a chapter that really wasn't established,

663
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:29.920
<v Speaker 2>claiming to be the treasurer I think in the interviews,

664
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:35.400
<v Speaker 2>right and literally you know, doing the flyer work and

665
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:39.559
<v Speaker 2>everything else without actually establishing a legit chapter.

666
00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:44.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it makes no sense, you just it makes about

667
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:46.840
<v Speaker 3>us little sense. I keep going into my mind. It's

668
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:49.400
<v Speaker 3>sort of like, Okay, I've got a team of anti

669
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:54.960
<v Speaker 3>Castro Cubans, right, They're going into Cuba. Castros, people catch them.

670
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:59.519
<v Speaker 3>They don't kill them. Castro just says, hey, good news,

671
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:01.920
<v Speaker 3>We're going to release you if you go back to

672
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:05.599
<v Speaker 3>the United States and promise to kill the president. And

673
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:09.519
<v Speaker 3>the guys go, oh yeah, cool, Well show us the

674
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:11.519
<v Speaker 3>way to the boat and they go back to the

675
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:14.880
<v Speaker 3>United States and immediately go to the You know what

676
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:18.599
<v Speaker 3>hole does he have over them if he returns them

677
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:23.559
<v Speaker 3>to the US. They're fanatically anti q Castro. He catches them,

678
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:25.880
<v Speaker 3>sends them back, and then they do what he asked

679
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:26.400
<v Speaker 3>him to do.

680
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:32.199
<v Speaker 2>I doubt it, right, And meanwhile, you got them in

681
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:37.159
<v Speaker 2>proximity to different people that don't belong in proximity with them.

682
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:42.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just it's really strange. I mean, if

683
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:45.000
<v Speaker 2>you put these guys with David Ferry, you say, okay,

684
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.000
<v Speaker 2>this kind of makes a little bit of sense, right,

685
00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:51.079
<v Speaker 2>But putting them with all right, look, it just gets

686
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:54.800
<v Speaker 2>it gets my head spinning. But ultimately, Larry, you know,

687
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:57.119
<v Speaker 2>what are we looking at here that that's you know,

688
00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:00.360
<v Speaker 2>brand new? Like I said, Okay, now we know certain

689
00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:04.039
<v Speaker 2>things that were speculated about in the past, but there's

690
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:07.320
<v Speaker 2>still more to be uncovered here because I mean, obviously

691
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:11.119
<v Speaker 2>Jefferson Morley didn't get everything. He wanted. He got a

692
00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:13.679
<v Speaker 2>lot more than he you know, got all these you know,

693
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:17.400
<v Speaker 2>all these many years now with the lawsuits and Bret

694
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:21.480
<v Speaker 2>Kavanaugh finally putting it to bed, you know, and all that.

695
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:25.760
<v Speaker 2>But you know, how much progress do we make here

696
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:29.239
<v Speaker 2>out of this? We have a better idea that you know,

697
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:33.760
<v Speaker 2>it's not just the fingerprints but literally the greasy handprints

698
00:46:33.800 --> 00:46:37.639
<v Speaker 2>of intelligence on Oswald now right where it's like, look,

699
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:41.880
<v Speaker 2>they were doing something with him, but can we be

700
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:44.519
<v Speaker 2>certain what it was? Was he just going to be

701
00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:48.679
<v Speaker 2>useful as an asset? Was he somebody that could be directed?

702
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:52.280
<v Speaker 2>You know what? What are we looking at there? We

703
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:55.639
<v Speaker 2>don't know still right? Or is there something to be

704
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:56.800
<v Speaker 2>gleaned there that I'm missing?

705
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:04.800
<v Speaker 3>It's a long shot. I think The point is we

706
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:08.599
<v Speaker 3>have we actually have had a lot of documents released

707
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:13.559
<v Speaker 3>from Miami Station and the Special Affairs staff over on

708
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:19.239
<v Speaker 3>the military side. You were talking about it, sabotage operations, infiltrations,

709
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:25.400
<v Speaker 3>attacks we know we've seen virtually and we know what

710
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:27.679
<v Speaker 3>their budget was, and we know that half of their

711
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:31.039
<v Speaker 3>budget was for propaganda and political actions. We've seen none

712
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:36.039
<v Speaker 3>of that. If Osweald was being considered for use in anything,

713
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:39.400
<v Speaker 3>it would have been that. So do those records still

714
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:43.880
<v Speaker 3>exist and we've just not seen them? Mike, you find

715
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.960
<v Speaker 3>someone we know who join Edie's boss was. We know

716
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:49.960
<v Speaker 3>it's a fellow named Tilton. We know who some of

717
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:53.519
<v Speaker 3>these other people were. If if you did a real

718
00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:57.679
<v Speaker 3>if you went to CIA and gave them these names

719
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:00.960
<v Speaker 3>and say, you know, we need their operation files, we

720
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:04.599
<v Speaker 3>need the projects they were working on, might that turn up?

721
00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:09.719
<v Speaker 3>I hope so, because Luna's got that list. Okay, So

722
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:14.039
<v Speaker 3>could that clarify matters in regard to Oswald and and

723
00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:18.760
<v Speaker 3>how far and to what extent and how exposed the

724
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:22.920
<v Speaker 3>CI was, you know, like, what were they planning for him?

725
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:25.880
<v Speaker 3>How were they planning to use them? That would be

726
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:28.880
<v Speaker 3>that would be interesting. I mean, that's not going to

727
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:33.119
<v Speaker 3>give us the conspiracy. On the other hand, if we

728
00:48:33.400 --> 00:48:40.840
<v Speaker 3>have a new focus on Harvey and Roselle and Morales

729
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:45.239
<v Speaker 3>and these z R rifle slash m I guys as

730
00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:48.199
<v Speaker 3>to what they were really doing. You know, maybe everything

731
00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:54.079
<v Speaker 3>was talked about over the telephone, but still, I mean, Harvey,

732
00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:57.760
<v Speaker 3>is there any record of his travel? He had to

733
00:48:57.800 --> 00:49:00.800
<v Speaker 3>be doing something. I mean, there was a budge for

734
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:04.000
<v Speaker 3>ZR rifle that was a brew for sixty three, we

735
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:07.199
<v Speaker 3>have one, you still have one? Still?

736
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:10.960
<v Speaker 2>My question right there, because that's where I was, is

737
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:14.039
<v Speaker 2>that the financial Look here, here's the thing, right, and

738
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:18.519
<v Speaker 2>I call this the mk Ultra solution because look, there's

739
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:23.199
<v Speaker 2>financial documentation here. Nothing happens without funding. Okay, even if

740
00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:24.920
<v Speaker 2>you got a okay, it was phone calls, well, who

741
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:28.159
<v Speaker 2>paid for the phone line? Something happened. If there was

742
00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:31.639
<v Speaker 2>man hours invested, if there was cash given, if there

743
00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:35.920
<v Speaker 2>were flyers printed, if there was you know anything, right, transportation,

744
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:41.039
<v Speaker 2>money is spent, and generally speaking, those are the receipts

745
00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:44.320
<v Speaker 2>that will survive, even if people are trying to purge

746
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:46.679
<v Speaker 2>the files, so to speak. And that's what happened with

747
00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:50.519
<v Speaker 2>mk Ultra in a nutshell, right, this is how it

748
00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:53.679
<v Speaker 2>was reconstructed and people figured things out was from the

749
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:58.199
<v Speaker 2>financial records. So I would imagine again that when money

750
00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:00.920
<v Speaker 2>is spent, there has to be an account for it somewhere.

751
00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:03.559
<v Speaker 2>Nobody's gonna hand just cash here, Ego, take it out

752
00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:06.599
<v Speaker 2>of petty cash. Nobody will count it. No receipts got

753
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:13.159
<v Speaker 2>to come back. Okay, it's it's it's the government. I'm sorry,

754
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:15.239
<v Speaker 2>but that's the way it is now. I know that

755
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:18.559
<v Speaker 2>there are black budgets, and there are you know, off

756
00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:24.000
<v Speaker 2>off the radar sort of you know, revenue streams, let's

757
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:27.480
<v Speaker 2>call them. I know that, but for this, this revenue

758
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:30.800
<v Speaker 2>stream wouldn't have been like, Okay, we're gonna sell cocaine

759
00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:33.239
<v Speaker 2>in order so that we can take that cash which

760
00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:35.679
<v Speaker 2>nobody can account for, and then we're gonna do this

761
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:38.400
<v Speaker 2>with it. That was not happening here. This is the

762
00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:40.519
<v Speaker 2>kind of thing where money had to come from somewhere

763
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:43.719
<v Speaker 2>in order to fund some of this stuff. So there

764
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:48.079
<v Speaker 2>should be a financial trail of breadcrumbs so to speak

765
00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:51.400
<v Speaker 2>to this, don't you think, Larry, that was my whole question.

766
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:56.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. The only reason we even know that there was

767
00:50:56.480 --> 00:51:01.119
<v Speaker 3>a canastroussassination project in the first place, right, and what

768
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:04.159
<v Speaker 3>the Church committee you know, allowed them to dig into

769
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:09.400
<v Speaker 3>it is, Yeah, money has to be spent. So during

770
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:13.079
<v Speaker 3>the early on in the first Cuba project before the

771
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:19.400
<v Speaker 3>BAFPX landing, you know, how do you fund this? We

772
00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:21.800
<v Speaker 3>need some cash. We're going to have to give some cash.

773
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:24.760
<v Speaker 3>So these guys were using inside Cuba, We're going to

774
00:51:25.480 --> 00:51:29.920
<v Speaker 3>there's got to be you know, we need fifty thousand dollars, Okay, right, Well,

775
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:33.639
<v Speaker 3>who's what manager is going to sign off for fifty

776
00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:38.360
<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars? Horrible, Somebody's got to sign that off and

777
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:40.519
<v Speaker 3>it's got to come out. It's got to have a

778
00:51:40.599 --> 00:51:44.199
<v Speaker 3>signing authority on it. And so what really happened is

779
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:47.480
<v Speaker 3>somebody had to call up somebody else and say, would

780
00:51:47.480 --> 00:51:52.280
<v Speaker 3>you just sign me, you know, a voucher for this,

781
00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:56.400
<v Speaker 3>and the guy immediately the guy goes, what am I

782
00:51:56.480 --> 00:52:01.920
<v Speaker 3>signing it for? You know, okay tell me that. Oh well, okay,

783
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:04.599
<v Speaker 3>there's a point in time where somebody has to disperse

784
00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:07.280
<v Speaker 3>funds and they're going to want to know what it's for,

785
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:10.599
<v Speaker 3>and they want to going to cover themselves, right because

786
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:13.880
<v Speaker 3>when the ig shows up and says, you know, we

787
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:17.559
<v Speaker 3>can't find that fifty thousand dollars and we understand you've

788
00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:21.119
<v Speaker 3>got a bookie, I'm going I want this piece of paper,

789
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:25.199
<v Speaker 3>you know, memoranda do self soft file. You know, here's

790
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:29.880
<v Speaker 3>here's where it went. Go talk you want something. So yeah,

791
00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:35.559
<v Speaker 3>I think the funny thing is Harvey was a real

792
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:39.199
<v Speaker 3>focus of interest for a period of time and then

793
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:43.280
<v Speaker 3>he dropped off the radar because I think we fool ourselves.

794
00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:47.719
<v Speaker 3>It's like, he can't have been involved in nineteen sixty

795
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:53.800
<v Speaker 3>three because he was in Rome, and then we come

796
00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:59.719
<v Speaker 3>up with this FAA credential that suggests no, he was

797
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:05.480
<v Speaker 3>doing continued to do something with this ZR Rifle Executive

798
00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:08.239
<v Speaker 3>Action project that we don't know anything about and it

799
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:12.880
<v Speaker 3>should be researched. So I think that's the real opening here.

800
00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:17.800
<v Speaker 3>It's another It's like our attention is shifted back to

801
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:20.840
<v Speaker 3>something we we thought had no legs. You know, we

802
00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:23.599
<v Speaker 3>just thought, well, he's he's gone. He can't really be

803
00:53:23.679 --> 00:53:27.960
<v Speaker 3>part of this. He can't have initiated. But now we

804
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:31.400
<v Speaker 3>know we don't know, and that's always important to know.

805
00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:34.199
<v Speaker 3>Wait a minute, I should have looked at that further.

806
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:38.199
<v Speaker 3>Is there an expense trail? Is there a travel trail?

807
00:53:39.039 --> 00:53:42.000
<v Speaker 3>Or by the way, how often did he come back

808
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:44.800
<v Speaker 3>from Rome? Did he did he come back from Rome?

809
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:48.760
<v Speaker 3>Did he work this issue? Or you know, could is

810
00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:50.880
<v Speaker 3>this something that he could have just started off and

811
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:56.800
<v Speaker 3>it ran himself? Maybe? You know? So I think that's

812
00:53:56.840 --> 00:53:59.199
<v Speaker 3>the real key when when you say what is new,

813
00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:03.480
<v Speaker 3>we have a couple of keys that we didn't have before.

814
00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:06.400
<v Speaker 3>And that's always the way it's worked, right, you know,

815
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:09.360
<v Speaker 3>you never you're not going to look into the files

816
00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:10.440
<v Speaker 3>and find a solution.

817
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:11.119
<v Speaker 2>Right.

818
00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:13.199
<v Speaker 3>The best that you can get is you're going to

819
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:16.559
<v Speaker 3>find keys that let you find something for yourself. This

820
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:20.199
<v Speaker 3>is this is not AI. This is this has got

821
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:23.159
<v Speaker 3>to be a human intelligence, right or wrong. It can't

822
00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:27.119
<v Speaker 3>be AI because there's not a database for its to sert.

823
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:29.480
<v Speaker 3>You can't have trained it on this nonsense.

824
00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Well no, and I'll give you an example as to why.

825
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Let's just say, okay, Larry, that's indicative of this, and

826
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:39.199
<v Speaker 2>I insist upon that you better hold your horses because look,

827
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:42.400
<v Speaker 2>an FAA credential. Let me give you a potential idea

828
00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:44.679
<v Speaker 2>for where that could have went to. Maybe he's got

829
00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:47.800
<v Speaker 2>to deal with people at an Italian airport, so he

830
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<v Speaker 2>shows up as an American FAA official. You see, it

831
00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:57.039
<v Speaker 2>doesn't necessarily absolutely, so that's a possibility. But until we

832
00:54:57.119 --> 00:54:59.440
<v Speaker 2>know it, we don't know it. And that's the thing

833
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:03.840
<v Speaker 2>that was just a clearly hypothetical I pulled it out

834
00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:07.199
<v Speaker 2>of thin air idea of where that FAA credential could

835
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:10.760
<v Speaker 2>be justified in another way. Right, So until we know it,

836
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:11.800
<v Speaker 2>we don't know It's go ahead.

837
00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:17.280
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, what we're what's being researched now is with that

838
00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:21.719
<v Speaker 3>credential or who approved it? Who authorized it? Looks like

839
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:25.320
<v Speaker 3>it had to be approved by the head of the FAA.

840
00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:30.719
<v Speaker 3>Was that a standard practice? Did lots of CIA officers

841
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:38.079
<v Speaker 3>have this sort of certificate? What you know is this?

842
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:42.360
<v Speaker 3>What does this credential give you? Can you The speculation

843
00:55:42.639 --> 00:55:45.320
<v Speaker 3>is that you can just walk up to the gate,

844
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:51.599
<v Speaker 3>show this credential and deadhead on any aircraft and you'll

845
00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:56.559
<v Speaker 3>never show up on any roster or any passenger list.

846
00:55:57.079 --> 00:56:00.559
<v Speaker 3>You'll just get on board, which I think you and

847
00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:03.800
<v Speaker 3>I have talked about this before. It immediately made me

848
00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:07.960
<v Speaker 3>think of David Morales. I talked to his friend Rubin.

849
00:56:08.039 --> 00:56:12.440
<v Speaker 3>His friend Rubens was very impressed. One day when David

850
00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:15.679
<v Speaker 3>needed to leave go back to DC. They went to

851
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:18.320
<v Speaker 3>the airport. He didn't have tickets. You know, the flight

852
00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:21.079
<v Speaker 3>was full, and Ruben is saying, you're never get to

853
00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:24.039
<v Speaker 3>get on this flight, and Morales just looks at him

854
00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:27.760
<v Speaker 3>and kind of sneers, walks over, flashes some kind of credential,

855
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:33.920
<v Speaker 3>walks on the flight, no ticket, no nothing, Well because Ruboves.

856
00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:36.039
<v Speaker 2>Are impressed, Yeah, because they're off the record ways to

857
00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:38.599
<v Speaker 2>dead head on a flight, which is by the way,

858
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:41.079
<v Speaker 2>they do this for airline pilots all the time because

859
00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:42.800
<v Speaker 2>they end up landing somewhere and they got to go

860
00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:46.119
<v Speaker 2>back home. So there's always a seat for them almost

861
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:49.000
<v Speaker 2>on every flight where they can just stick a guy

862
00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:51.480
<v Speaker 2>there who shows up and looks like an airline pilot.

863
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:54.239
<v Speaker 2>And we learned that in the movie Catch Me if

864
00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:58.079
<v Speaker 2>you can, right. I mean, this is something that went

865
00:56:58.119 --> 00:57:01.679
<v Speaker 2>on for quite a while where pre nine to eleven airports,

866
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:06.679
<v Speaker 2>especially if you looked right, they gave you access to

867
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:10.960
<v Speaker 2>things and there you go and all you have a credential,

868
00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:14.559
<v Speaker 2>government credential. I mean, look, there are guys that had

869
00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:17.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, an FBI and a CIA, you know, a

870
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:20.400
<v Speaker 2>piece of plastic in their pockets, right, and a local

871
00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:25.320
<v Speaker 2>badge to you know, various cities. They would have these

872
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:28.679
<v Speaker 2>things in their pockets ready to go, because you know,

873
00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:33.320
<v Speaker 2>you get access to places just by flashing car go ahead.

874
00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:37.519
<v Speaker 3>The interesting thing is that this isn't. If this is not.

875
00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:41.519
<v Speaker 3>Harvey did have another alias that he was using, and

876
00:57:41.559 --> 00:57:44.039
<v Speaker 3>that's another thing that's come up. We didn't talk about that,

877
00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:47.320
<v Speaker 3>but at this same time or shortly, he had an

878
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:52.880
<v Speaker 3>alias that he continued to use. If you're station chef

879
00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:56.960
<v Speaker 3>in Rome, you do not need an alias for the US,

880
00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:00.239
<v Speaker 3>you really don't. And so what was he using that

881
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:05.000
<v Speaker 3>alias for? The FAA is going to have to explain

882
00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:10.239
<v Speaker 3>this practice to Luna, to Kyle. It's like and apparently

883
00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:12.960
<v Speaker 3>as agreed. You know, we're going to research it. How

884
00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:16.639
<v Speaker 3>often did this happen, who was given these passes, what

885
00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:20.199
<v Speaker 3>was the you know, what was going on. So there's

886
00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:26.760
<v Speaker 3>some more things that we can learn, regardless of you know,

887
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:29.880
<v Speaker 3>not having documents on a lot of stuff, just just

888
00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:31.920
<v Speaker 3>the fact that you have to do something like that.

889
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:36.480
<v Speaker 3>If I'm going to be deniable within the agency, I'm

890
00:58:36.519 --> 00:58:38.920
<v Speaker 3>going to have to do something that puts me on

891
00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:43.280
<v Speaker 3>record with another agency. Oh great, So you know, by

892
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:46.119
<v Speaker 3>the way, how many times did you use your credential

893
00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:49.760
<v Speaker 3>or how long did you carry it? What were there

894
00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:52.719
<v Speaker 3>any restrictions? That will be interesting to find out. But

895
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:56.199
<v Speaker 3>I so I guess that's yes, we have new stuff

896
00:58:56.599 --> 00:58:59.920
<v Speaker 3>and it opens new doors. It doesn't give us an

897
00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:03.480
<v Speaker 3>any final answers. But I think the most most important

898
00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:07.519
<v Speaker 3>thing to me is it does expand the extent towards

899
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:12.320
<v Speaker 3>the CIA, as you maintained earlier, did obstruct justice in

900
00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:15.559
<v Speaker 3>regard to their knowledge of oswaldt right and it certainly

901
00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:18.920
<v Speaker 3>opens the door to you know, if you take the

902
00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:23.079
<v Speaker 3>scenario that, oh, a team that was supposed to kill

903
00:59:23.159 --> 00:59:29.440
<v Speaker 3>Castro was turned and kill JFK, I would probably consider

904
00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:33.440
<v Speaker 3>that would be more reasonable that it was turned inside

905
00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:35.960
<v Speaker 3>the US than outside the US.

906
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:41.079
<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, that would make most sense, right because you

907
00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:43.119
<v Speaker 2>got all kinds of things that can happen if you

908
00:59:43.159 --> 00:59:45.800
<v Speaker 2>have to import people. That was the other trouble with

909
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:48.159
<v Speaker 2>many of the other scenarios that were presented, you know,

910
00:59:48.199 --> 00:59:51.519
<v Speaker 2>earlier on in my research path. Let's say where it's like,

911
00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:53.079
<v Speaker 2>why do you need to go to all this trouble?

912
00:59:53.119 --> 00:59:56.000
<v Speaker 2>You got people here that can do these things. You know,

913
00:59:56.840 --> 01:00:00.480
<v Speaker 2>just just saying, you know, if somebody's already in town

914
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:02.559
<v Speaker 2>and they're a mechanic, why not get them to fix

915
01:00:02.599 --> 01:00:05.840
<v Speaker 2>the car instead of having a guy drive three hours

916
01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:09.679
<v Speaker 2>to come and fix your car. Uh, you know, very simple.

917
01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:11.559
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, they're just.

918
01:00:11.679 --> 01:00:14.639
<v Speaker 3>They're known and trusted and they and they come cheap

919
01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:15.440
<v Speaker 3>by the way.

920
01:00:15.440 --> 01:00:17.519
<v Speaker 2>Usually you know, and they happen to be right there,

921
01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:21.320
<v Speaker 2>which means speedy service as well. Anyway, it is what

922
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<v Speaker 2>it is. Larry Hancock, again the author of many books,

923
01:00:24.880 --> 01:00:28.239
<v Speaker 2>I will point to the Oswald puzzle, Uh, because that's

924
01:00:28.360 --> 01:00:31.400
<v Speaker 2>quite relevant here. But also I think tipping point as well,

925
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Uh is quite relevant. Uh, someone would have talked definitely.

926
01:00:36.559 --> 01:00:39.320
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, all those things and much more go to

927
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<v Speaker 2>Larry dash Handcock dot com, Larryhypenhancock dot com and uh, yeah, Larry,

928
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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you anything you want to throw in on

929
01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:48.079
<v Speaker 2>your way out the door here.

930
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<v Speaker 3>Now I would say, since you're talking about books, what

931
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:54.920
<v Speaker 3>I would say, it's fascinating to me. The book is

932
01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:57.559
<v Speaker 3>probably the most your Maine is a book called Nexus,

933
01:00:58.719 --> 01:01:01.559
<v Speaker 3>where I sat down about, oh, I don't know, ten

934
01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:04.800
<v Speaker 3>twelve years ago and said, from what I know about

935
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:07.920
<v Speaker 3>the CIA at this point in time, where would I

936
01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:12.199
<v Speaker 3>look if this were to come together within the CIA?

937
01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:17.239
<v Speaker 3>You know, let's see how the CIA did assassinations, Who

938
01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:19.880
<v Speaker 3>were the people that were involved, who had the authority,

939
01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:25.039
<v Speaker 3>how could it be done? And that was the origin

940
01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:28.480
<v Speaker 3>of the book Nexus. The whole point was where could

941
01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:33.719
<v Speaker 3>a presidential assassination gel within the CIA? There you go

942
01:01:33.840 --> 01:01:40.840
<v Speaker 3>so quite frankly that I think we're getting closer, unfortunately,

943
01:01:41.239 --> 01:01:45.559
<v Speaker 3>to finding that hypothesis is credible, but it goes back

944
01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:46.039
<v Speaker 3>that far.

945
01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:48.519
<v Speaker 2>That's right, and that's why I brought it up at

946
01:01:48.519 --> 01:01:51.880
<v Speaker 2>the beginning of the show Nexus, by the way, But anyway,

947
01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:54.800
<v Speaker 2>I was focusing on the assassination there this time, thinking

948
01:01:54.800 --> 01:01:56.440
<v Speaker 2>about that. But Nexus, I brought it up at the

949
01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:58.199
<v Speaker 2>beginning of the show. And I don't mention it often

950
01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:03.880
<v Speaker 2>enough because it is again not just an interesting book,

951
01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:07.800
<v Speaker 2>but an interesting word in and of itself, because there

952
01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:12.400
<v Speaker 2>are nexta seas I guess if it's plural, that you know,

953
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:16.360
<v Speaker 2>present to us some very interesting scenarios that are possible here.

954
01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:20.400
<v Speaker 2>And as we learn more, we'll learn what is more

955
01:02:20.599 --> 01:02:26.280
<v Speaker 2>likely and what is less possible, I guess, and all

956
01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:30.000
<v Speaker 2>of that. Anyway, Arry, and again I think you.

957
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<v Speaker 1>Uncle, do you remember that time when Benjamin Fulford said

958
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<v Speaker 1>that an Asian secret society was going to dispatch Ninja's

959
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<v Speaker 1>to take down the Illuminati?

960
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<v Speaker 6>That's interesting, Yeah, in the clutchoon?

961
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah did that ever work out too good?

962
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<v Speaker 3>No?

963
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<v Speaker 1>It didn't, did it? But here on o'chelly dot com

964
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<v Speaker 1>Radio network things work out a bit better, don't.

965
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<v Speaker 4>They much better?

966
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967
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<v Speaker 6>how much clearer getting live people into it. They really

968
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<v Speaker 6>have a good conversation going.

969
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970
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<v Speaker 1>and his ninjas and listen to the o'chelly dot com

971
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972
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986
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<v Speaker 8>Of revelation for conversation.

988
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<v Speaker 7>of my soul.

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<v Speaker 4>You are the effect revelation through conversation.

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<v Speaker 8>It about the JFA assassination.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, well, what do you want to know Toddy Baker's

1001
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<v Speaker 2>wild claim Oswald girlfriends he knew? Ruby and Barrie answer weapons. Really,

1002
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<v Speaker 2>I imagine I could claim I have four wheels. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't make me a wagon.

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<v Speaker 7>But okay, Oswal was on the building and trying to

1005
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<v Speaker 7>prevent the murder of John Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on now has a real effort on the DAFA

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1010
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<v Speaker 2>own words and the known evidence in the case to

1011
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<v Speaker 2>get at well a different perspective. Let's say you can

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<v Speaker 2>It's a fun book, and it actually dissects the many,

1016
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<v Speaker 2>many fantastic claims. Judith Vary Baker, in her own words,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you.

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<v Speaker 8>In digital or physical faces.

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<v Speaker 4>Around Tama, Tanada, what's your name?

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<v Speaker 8>Around?

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<v Speaker 4>Around the glasses?

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<v Speaker 6>No wams, grass and dabas Come?

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<v Speaker 4>Why don't it's one time around so kingcup? We'll burn

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<v Speaker 4>it on the

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<v Speaker 6>No okay, no, no, come, you've got to sing the

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<v Speaker 6>farest one and went wild and for the smallest drunken

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<v Speaker 6>sex in three districts align with regulated and LAS