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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Path went Chili.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Robin, I'm Jules, and I'm Ashley. Let's dive right

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<v Speaker 2>into this week's case.

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<v Speaker 3>July tenth, nineteen fifty eight, Monterey County, California. Twenty six

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<v Speaker 3>year old First Lieutenant Paul Whipkey leaves Fort Ord, the

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<v Speaker 3>Army base where he stationed, but he fails to return

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<v Speaker 3>and is declared a deserter. Thirty days later, five weeks

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<v Speaker 3>after you went missing, Whipkey's abandoned car is discovered nearly

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<v Speaker 3>five hundred miles away in a remote section of Death Valley.

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<v Speaker 3>Since Whipkey's body cannot be found, the Army believes he

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<v Speaker 3>suffered a mental breakdown and wandered into the desert and died. However,

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<v Speaker 3>Whitpkey's family discovers troubling discrepancies to make them believe the

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<v Speaker 3>Army staged his disappearance, possibly because he was recruited for

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<v Speaker 3>a secret mission. In nineteen eighty two, the Army officially

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<v Speaker 3>changes Whipkey's status from deserter to die in the line

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<v Speaker 3>of duty, but he's never found and the full truth

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<v Speaker 3>about what actually happened to him remains unknown.

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<v Speaker 1>After that, the Path went Chiley. Today, we've got a

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<v Speaker 1>very strange military mystery to cover, the nineteen fifty eight

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<v Speaker 1>disappearance of Paul Whipkey. This case was once featured on

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<v Speaker 1>Unsolved Mysteries, which did its fair share of stories about

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<v Speaker 1>servicemen who died or went missing under seemingly suspicious circumstances,

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<v Speaker 1>and the victim's families were certain that the military was

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<v Speaker 1>involved and orchestrated some sort of cover up. Well, quite frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel that some of these segments had an overly

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<v Speaker 1>conspiratle tone, and that Unsolved Mysteries had a tendency to

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<v Speaker 1>exaggerate certain details to make the cases seem more mysterious

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<v Speaker 1>than they really were. However, the disappearance of Paul Whipkey,

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<v Speaker 1>a first lieutenant serving in the United States Army, is

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty bizarre story, and I think there are enough

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<v Speaker 1>odd details to suggest that the military knew a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more than they were letting on at the time he vanished.

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<v Speaker 1>Lieutenant Whipkey was stationed at Fort Orton, California, before he

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<v Speaker 1>left the base one day and went absent without leave.

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<v Speaker 1>When Whipkey's abandoned car was discovered in Death Valley over

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<v Speaker 1>one month later, the Army believed that he simply wandered

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<v Speaker 1>out into the desert and died, but there is compelling

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<v Speaker 1>evidence to suggest that someone else may have planted the

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<v Speaker 1>car there. Whipkey's family has always clung to two potential theories.

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<v Speaker 1>The Army either recruited Whipkey for a top secret mission

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<v Speaker 1>where they staged his disappearance to cover up their culpability

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<v Speaker 1>in assigning him to work on Operation plumb Bob, a

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<v Speaker 1>series of atomic tests which may have caused a severe

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<v Speaker 1>nos get an impact on Whipkey's physical and mental health.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're going to explore all different possibilities in today's episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm already in. This is a very fascinating case.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't hear a lot about cover ups where you go.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually believe there's some truth to this, especially with

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when you talk about the military and things

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<v Speaker 2>like that. When I hope you guys are going to

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<v Speaker 2>give me some evidence to show that one of those

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<v Speaker 2>two possibilities is possible where the Army actually could be

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<v Speaker 2>accountable in both scenarios. What I find really interesting here, though,

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<v Speaker 2>is that they do change the classification for him from

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<v Speaker 2>a wall or deserter to died in align a duty.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's something to be said about that that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a family would think of. My loved one

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<v Speaker 2>is classified as a wall that they just abandoned their

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<v Speaker 2>position in the military, which is one of the most degrading,

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<v Speaker 2>horrible things you could do, is to desert your posts.

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<v Speaker 2>And somehow in nineteen eighty two they change it to

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<v Speaker 2>died in the line of duty. So do you know

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<v Speaker 2>more about that why they changed the classification.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's one of the most frustrating things about this case,

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<v Speaker 1>as we're going to talk about, because it was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a bittersweet feeling for the family because their loved

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<v Speaker 1>one is no longer recognized as a deserter. But at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time they changed to him dying the line

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<v Speaker 1>of duty, but they don't explain why, or produce his

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<v Speaker 1>body or share any details about how he supposed Lee died.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you just drove off and wandered off into

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<v Speaker 1>the desert, that's technically not dying in the life of duty.

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<v Speaker 1>So that gives off the impression that the military knew

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more about what happened to them, but unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>kept his family in the dark.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, it almost feels like that they know something

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<v Speaker 2>and they changed it to appease the family because they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want further investigation. Where at least if we change

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<v Speaker 2>it from this, you know, horrible mark on his record,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe there is some solace there in the family. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>move forward.

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<v Speaker 3>This reminds me of the plot of the show on

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<v Speaker 3>Paramount plus Linus of the current season, where she's recruiting

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<v Speaker 3>a new Lioness, which is somebody to go out and

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<v Speaker 3>work in the field, and she ends up recruiting somebody

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<v Speaker 3>who's in active duty in I can't remember Iraq at

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<v Speaker 3>that moment, and she's flying helicopters and they basically have

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<v Speaker 3>to get her a dishonorable discharge, like a fake one,

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<v Speaker 3>so that she can come in believably and work and

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<v Speaker 3>then infiltrate this gang in Mexico because they're somehow orchestrating

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<v Speaker 3>these attacks on America like they had kidnapped a senator.

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<v Speaker 3>Find it really interesting that we're going to get to

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<v Speaker 3>explore this a little bit deeper, and we're also really

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<v Speaker 3>lucky to have Ashley on this case because her father

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<v Speaker 3>was a marine and Ashley spent time as a professor

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<v Speaker 3>at the Citadel, so she's military adjacent and she's one

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<v Speaker 3>of the best people when it comes to opinions on institutions,

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm really excited to hear your takes Ash.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Jules. Yeah, I'll tell you what men and women

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<v Speaker 2>and who serve our country. They are my hero. My

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<v Speaker 2>dad is a marine. He obviously retired after Vietnam, but

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<v Speaker 2>once marine, always a marine, and he's literally my hero,

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<v Speaker 2>and so are all the men and women who serve

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<v Speaker 2>our country. I do get frustrated with the institution of

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<v Speaker 2>the military, like you mentioned, but I think that's all institutions.

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<v Speaker 2>So I can't wait to hear more about what happens

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<v Speaker 2>to Paul and these missions that they could have sent

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<v Speaker 2>him on, because in my gut, I'm feeling like the

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<v Speaker 2>Army feels some accountability or that classification just would not

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<v Speaker 2>have changed.

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<v Speaker 3>Our story begins in California in nineteen fifty eight. Our

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<v Speaker 3>central figure is twenty six year old Paul Whipkey, who

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<v Speaker 3>originally hails from Murriesville, Pennsylvania. After graduating from high school,

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<v Speaker 3>Whikey went on to earn a civil engineering degree at

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<v Speaker 3>Pennsylvania State University and was an honors graduate in the

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<v Speaker 3>Reserve Officers Training Corps, where he received his Army commission

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<v Speaker 3>as an officer. After completing basic training in nineteen fifty four,

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<v Speaker 3>Whipkey began aviation school and eventually earned his Army's pilot wings.

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<v Speaker 3>In July nineteen fifty six. He would be posted at

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<v Speaker 3>Fort Ord, located in California's Monterey County, and achieved the

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<v Speaker 3>rank of first lieutenant. After nearly two years there, he

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<v Speaker 3>was assigned the duties of company commander. On the afternoon

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<v Speaker 3>of July tenth, Whickey left Fort Ord in his nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>fifty six red and white Chevrolet. He told his friends

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<v Speaker 3>that he was planning to get a drink in the

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<v Speaker 3>town of Monterey, which was located less than a mile

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<v Speaker 3>away from the base. However, Whipkey never returned to the base,

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<v Speaker 3>and when he failed to surface by morning, he was

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<v Speaker 3>declared absent without leave aka a WALL. After thirty days past,

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<v Speaker 3>Whipkey had still not turned up, so the Army officially

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<v Speaker 3>declared him a deserter, But the case would take a

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<v Speaker 3>bizarre turn only one week later. On August seventeenth, over

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<v Speaker 3>a month after he originally went missing, Whipkey's abandoned Chevrolet

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<v Speaker 3>was discovered by a fishing game warden in a remote

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<v Speaker 3>section of Death Valley. The desolate location is nearly five

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<v Speaker 3>hundred miles east from Fort Ord, forty two miles from

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<v Speaker 3>the nearest town, and fifteen miles from the main road.

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<v Speaker 3>The Keys were still in the ignition and a suitcase

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<v Speaker 3>containing some of whip Key's personal belongings and his military

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<v Speaker 3>dog tags was found inside the vehicle. Well, there are

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<v Speaker 3>no obvious signs of a struggle or foul play. Whippi

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<v Speaker 3>himself was nowhere to be found.

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<v Speaker 2>This is really interesting because he's dedicated his career to

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<v Speaker 2>the army and he's even become a pilot. That's such

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<v Speaker 2>an amazing opportunity in the military, and he's really achieving

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<v Speaker 2>these ranks very fast. It seems like they put a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of responsibility in with him and that they trust him,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're using him as a leader in his position

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<v Speaker 2>and in his station, and so it's odd, it's odd behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not some enlisted kid who comes in. This

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<v Speaker 2>is someone who's making a career out of the military,

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<v Speaker 2>and so for him to quote a wall, it really

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<v Speaker 2>is a fascinating scenario because he has such heavy steak

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<v Speaker 2>in the military. He has a clout and position and

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<v Speaker 2>so for him to go all the way through to

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<v Speaker 2>become a pilot and then just to abandon the military

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<v Speaker 2>does seem quite odd. Of course, when mental health is

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<v Speaker 2>to play, that can always be something that doesn't quote

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<v Speaker 2>make sense or doesn't really follow the normal script of

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<v Speaker 2>how people behave. But this is the fifties, and so

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, how much would we have known and

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<v Speaker 2>how many signs would you have picked up on if

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<v Speaker 2>he was in fact struggling with mental health. So I'll

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<v Speaker 2>be interested to hear more about that, but very odd,

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<v Speaker 2>given again that he has worked so diligently to achieve

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<v Speaker 2>so much in the military, and it goes to do

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<v Speaker 2>what a lot of military men and women do. They

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<v Speaker 2>go off to have a drink and hang out with

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<v Speaker 2>friends when they're not at their posts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're going to go into more detail about this

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<v Speaker 1>later on, but it sounds like by all accounts, Whipkey

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<v Speaker 1>did have a stellar service record, but he got involved

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<v Speaker 1>in a particular operation which did cause a change in

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<v Speaker 1>his behavior, and if he was having mental health struggles,

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<v Speaker 1>this could have been the source of it. But overall,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like it would have been bury out of

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<v Speaker 1>character for him to just desert his post and then

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<v Speaker 1>just drive away, and the fact that his vehicle was

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<v Speaker 1>found five hundred miles away from the base in pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much the hottest climate in the United States is particularly unusual.

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<v Speaker 1>Investigators attempted to attrack Whipkey's movements after he left ford

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<v Speaker 1>Or on July to tenth. It turned out that later

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<v Speaker 1>that same day, Whipkey had apparently driven over three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>miles to Mojave, as his signature was on the guest

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<v Speaker 1>registry of a local establishment called White's Motel. A receipt

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<v Speaker 1>was found in Whipkey's car which showed that he purchased

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen gallons of gasoline in Mojave on July the eleventh,

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<v Speaker 1>and the spot where the Chevrolet was abandoned was approximately

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and forty five miles from this location. The

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<v Speaker 1>Army concluded that Whipke likely suffered some sort of mental

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<v Speaker 1>breakdown pause due to the added stress of becoming a

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<v Speaker 1>company commander, and this prompted him to drive nearly five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred miles to an isolated area and Death Valley. He

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<v Speaker 1>subsequently watered out into the desert and succumbed to the

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<v Speaker 1>extreme heat, which could reach temperatures of up to one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty degrees fahrenheit in July. The army believed

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<v Speaker 1>that the shifting sands of the desert would make it

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<v Speaker 1>nearly impossible to recover Whipkey's body, but oddly they never

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<v Speaker 1>even made an attempt to search for his body until

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<v Speaker 1>nine months after his car was found. This was just

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<v Speaker 1>one of the many reasons that Whipkey's family became suspicious

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<v Speaker 1>about the official cover story.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm wondering if their excuse was that a desert

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<v Speaker 2>so vast that there's so many spaces that a body

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<v Speaker 2>could go that he could have again like they said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, fall down and the sand covers him and

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<v Speaker 2>things like that. Did they claim that it was just

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<v Speaker 2>too big of an unknown place to search, like I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't have a pinpointed area to search enough until

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<v Speaker 2>that car's found and then they say, oh, now we

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<v Speaker 2>they actually went out and had publicity that they have

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<v Speaker 2>a soldier who's a.

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<v Speaker 1>Wall I'm trying to remember I researched this case. When

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<v Speaker 1>I did it on the trail went cold, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't recall seeing many newspaper articles in newspapers dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>But let me just double check that. I'm just curious

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<v Speaker 1>to see no looking back on it. It really didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get any publicity at all, and this case was completely

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<v Speaker 1>unknown until about the nineteen eighties, which is when Whippy's

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<v Speaker 1>to died in the line of duty and they took

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<v Speaker 1>his story to the press. But prior to that, his

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<v Speaker 3>Paul's older brother, Carl Whipkey, a veteran who'd served in

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<v Speaker 3>of troubling discrepancies. Carl immediately became troubled when he attempted

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<v Speaker 3>days after he originally went missing. Karl learned that a

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<v Speaker 3>pair of soldiers had collected all of Paul's personal belongings

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<v Speaker 3>from miss Barracks the previous day, right after he was

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<v Speaker 3>declared a wall Even though Paul would not officially be

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<v Speaker 3>declared a deserter for thirty more days, his belongings were

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<v Speaker 3>subsequently packed into eleven wooden crates and sent to his family.

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<v Speaker 3>According to Karl, this was against army regulations, as a

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<v Speaker 3>soldier's next of kin or legal representative are supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>be notified before their belongings are packed up. When Paul's

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<v Speaker 3>it by accident. He had made an unofficial call to

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<v Speaker 3>an enlisted man at Fort Ord, who subsequently phoned him

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<v Speaker 3>a half hour later. The soldier told Karl that Paul's

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<v Speaker 3>vehicle had been discovered in Death Valley, but asked Karl

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<v Speaker 3>not to tell anyone where he'd heard this because it

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<v Speaker 3>was classified information. There were more odd details about the

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<v Speaker 3>circumstances of how Paul's car was found. Four weeks after

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<v Speaker 3>he originally went missing, a rancher reported seeing a red

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<v Speaker 3>and white Chevrolet driving through Death Valley, about twelve miles

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<v Speaker 3>from the spot that it was eventually discovered. However, he

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<v Speaker 3>claimed that the driver was dressed in a military uniform,

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<v Speaker 3>but Paul had been dressed in civilian clothing when he

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<v Speaker 3>left board Or. In addition, a pile of cigarette butts

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<v Speaker 3>was found outside the car in the desert, even though

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<v Speaker 2>Very interesting, you would think that the moment a soldier

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<v Speaker 2>went a wall, the military would start contacting people they

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<v Speaker 2>knew to say, do you know where they are? This

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<v Speaker 2>is serious. Your son is missing, Your brother is missing.

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<v Speaker 2>He's abandon his post or we believe he has, and

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<v Speaker 2>see if he's been in contact with anybody. It is

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<v Speaker 2>also odd that you have people who have packed up

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<v Speaker 2>all of his belongings so quickly, just two days, right

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<v Speaker 2>after he went missing, everything's packed up. What if he

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<v Speaker 2>came back and had been in a car accident or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they found him in a hospital somewhere, then

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<v Speaker 2>why was all this stuff packed up?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right, it's not like this was a soldier

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<v Speaker 1>with a history of discipline problems who was known for

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<v Speaker 1>like going a wall and escaping off base, like this

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<v Speaker 1>was very out of character for Paul, Like he had

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<v Speaker 1>a stellar service record. So it's just very suspicious that

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<v Speaker 1>they would think, well, he didn't come back after two days,

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<v Speaker 1>let's clear out his barracks because there's no way he's

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<v Speaker 1>ever coming back. Even though there's so many logical reasons

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<v Speaker 1>for why he might have disappeared.

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<v Speaker 3>The family was really fortunate that Karl had served time

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<v Speaker 3>in the military as well and knew who to call

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<v Speaker 3>and look questions to ask to get this kind of information,

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<v Speaker 3>because if he didn't, like what state would the case

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<v Speaker 3>have been in, the family wouldn't have really had anything

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<v Speaker 3>to lobby for at that point because they just wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>have had the information to move forward.

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<v Speaker 2>So odd that they'd be told, hey, don't share this information,

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<v Speaker 2>it's classified. When something's so important as his car being found,

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<v Speaker 2>it's his family, don't they have a right to know, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a while brother. We discovered his car and we

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<v Speaker 2>don't know where he is. That seems like something that

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<v Speaker 2>the family should be aware of. That's his well being.

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<v Speaker 1>So prior to his disappearance, Paul had stopped communicating with

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<v Speaker 1>his family, and Carl would learn a potential reason for

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<v Speaker 1>this when Karl received Paul's personal blongings from ford Ord.

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<v Speaker 1>They mistakenly included a list of Paul's assignments, which revealed

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<v Speaker 1>that he had been assigned a temporary duty at Camp

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<v Speaker 1>Desert Rock in Nevada from July into October of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven. This was a camp for servicemen who participated

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<v Speaker 1>in nuclear weapons testing, and this particular series of tests

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<v Speaker 1>was known as Operation Plumbbob. During this time period, a

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<v Speaker 1>total of twenty nine explosions, all of but two of

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<v Speaker 1>which were nuclear wound up being set off. Paul's duties

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<v Speaker 1>included flying an observation plane and relaying radio messages to

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<v Speaker 1>and from ground troops advancing on ground zero. His list

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<v Speaker 1>of assignments showed that he had logged thirteen hours of

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<v Speaker 1>flying time and witness to total of five atomic tess

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<v Speaker 1>the largest of which was a forty four kiloton blast.

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<v Speaker 1>Carl Whipkey would later speak to his brother's commanding officer,

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<v Speaker 1>Lieutenant Colonel Charles Lewis, who said he noticed a number

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<v Speaker 1>of troubling changes with Paul following his assignment at Camp

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<v Speaker 1>Desert Rock, which may have stemmed from exposure to radioactive fallout.

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<v Speaker 1>Upon returning to Fort Ord, Paul noticed that some unusual

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<v Speaker 1>blotches started appearing on his skin, as well as black

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<v Speaker 1>moles on his body and warts on his hands. He

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<v Speaker 1>started suffering from constant colds and losing weight, and things

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<v Speaker 1>reached the point where Paul needed to have all of

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<v Speaker 1>his teeth removed before he was fitted with dentures. Lieutenant

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<v Speaker 1>Colonel Lewis also said that Paul's personality changed as he

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<v Speaker 1>became more nervous and withdrawn and had trouble delegating authority

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<v Speaker 1>in his new role as company commander. Much like Carl,

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis was also troubled by the circumstances of Paul's disappearance,

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<v Speaker 1>but claimed that when he attempted to make further inquiries,

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<v Speaker 1>he was always advised to drop the matter because the

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<v Speaker 1>case was closed.

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<v Speaker 2>Because this was the fifties, I guarantee you medical care

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<v Speaker 2>was lacking when it came to what you did when

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<v Speaker 2>soldiers were exposed to these kinds of radioactive levels, knowing

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<v Speaker 2>the impact on the body would have been less than

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<v Speaker 2>we have now. And so when you start seeing poor

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<v Speaker 2>Paul literally physically fall apart, he has to have all

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<v Speaker 2>of his teeth removed, he's losing weight. It's clear that

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<v Speaker 2>radiation poisoning or something has occurred, and other military members

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<v Speaker 2>are concerned. Remember his brother, Carl served in the military,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's talking to his brother's commanding officer saying something's wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>and that commanding officer standing up for Paul, saying, right,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a reason why he's a leader. There's a reason

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<v Speaker 2>he's been put in charge of these other soldiers, and

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<v Speaker 2>yet he's failing to delegate. He's failing to behave the

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<v Speaker 2>way we all know he behaves, and so he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to bat for Paul and saying, he' all got to

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<v Speaker 2>explain to me what happened, and no one wants to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to, even the commanding officer. So there's a big

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<v Speaker 2>problem there. This is his subordinate that he's checking on.

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<v Speaker 2>He has a family member who's inquiring, but he himself

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<v Speaker 2>is inquiring and he still can't get information. It's very,

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<v Speaker 2>very suspicious.

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<v Speaker 3>This is so upsetting. Like listening to the list of

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<v Speaker 3>his side effects, I can't imagine how his brain was

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<v Speaker 3>impacted by the nuclear fallout. And to have all of

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<v Speaker 3>your teeth basically fall apart, I don't know if they

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<v Speaker 3>rotted or disintegrated. What happened to is the rest of

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<v Speaker 3>his skeletal structure, Like were his bones falling apart? As well?

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<v Speaker 3>To be trapped inside a body that is failing you

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<v Speaker 3>at the age that he is, the impact would be catastrophic.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't even imagine. And it would be so difficult

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<v Speaker 3>if you weren't able to express your emotions or to

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<v Speaker 3>be able to talk about what you did with your

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<v Speaker 3>family because the information was classified. Like my heart breaks

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<v Speaker 3>for him having to experience that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, because this is another case where Karl was

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<v Speaker 1>lucky because he wasn't supposed to note that his brother

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<v Speaker 1>participated an Operation plumb Bob, and he only found out

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<v Speaker 1>because they accidentally sent a list of Paul's assignments in

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<v Speaker 1>his belongings, but otherwise, because it was top secret, Paul

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<v Speaker 1>never told anyone from his family about it, and they

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<v Speaker 1>never would have learned if Carl had not received that sheet.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure that costed some awful thoughts to go

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<v Speaker 1>in his head because this is the fifties and nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>testing has only been around for just over a decade

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<v Speaker 1>or so, and they just probably do not understand or

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<v Speaker 1>they don't care about the negative physical and mental effects

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<v Speaker 1>hes could have on the soldiers who are involved, who

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<v Speaker 1>don't have adequate protection, And this would eventually skyrocket into

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<v Speaker 1>a scandal with a massive lawsuit from all the people

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<v Speaker 1>who were forced to participate in Operation plumb Bob and

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<v Speaker 1>did not get protection and started suffering from health issues.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is just a shame that Paul suffered through

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<v Speaker 1>all this, but he never really got to receive justice

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<v Speaker 1>because he went missing and was no longer around when

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<v Speaker 1>this lawsuit became a big story.

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<v Speaker 3>UIs had been stationed with Whipkey at count Desert Rock

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<v Speaker 3>in nineteen fifty seven and recalled an incident where he

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<v Speaker 3>saw two men dressed in civilian clothing speaking to Whipkey

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<v Speaker 3>and another officer on the airfield. For security reasons, Lewis

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<v Speaker 3>decided to approach the two men and asked to see

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<v Speaker 3>their identification, and they produced ID cards which showed they

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<v Speaker 3>were Army intelligence agents. Lewis said that over the course

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<v Speaker 3>of the next few weeks he would frequently see these

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<v Speaker 3>same two men return to the airfield. They conversed with

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<v Speaker 3>Whikey two or three times per week, and Whikey always

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<v Speaker 3>appeared to be nervous and uptight afterwards. Whenever Lewis asked

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<v Speaker 3>Whitkey if there was anything wrong, Whipkey always assured him

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<v Speaker 3>that everything was fine, but never discussed his conversations with

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<v Speaker 3>the two men. Louis would later express his beliefs that

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<v Speaker 3>these men had been affiliated with the CIA. During this

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<v Speaker 3>time period, the CIA would often recruit servicemen to assist

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<v Speaker 3>them on classified, top secret assignments, and Lewis felt that

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<v Speaker 3>Wikey's excellent service record would have made him a promising

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<v Speaker 3>candidate for them. Lewis's story prompted Carl Whitkey to remember

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<v Speaker 3>our conversation he had with his brother in January of

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen fifty eight, where Paul told Carl that he was

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<v Speaker 3>going on assignment in which he would quote make a

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<v Speaker 3>name for himself. But before Paul could share any more details,

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<v Speaker 3>he told Carl that there were some officers near his desk,

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<v Speaker 3>so he couldn't say anything else, and this was the

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<v Speaker 3>only time Carl ever heard about this subject before Paul disappeared.

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<v Speaker 3>This caused Carl to theorize that his brother might have

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<v Speaker 3>been recruited into some sort of joint Army CIA program.

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<v Speaker 3>If so, it provided a possible explanation for Paul's decision

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<v Speaker 3>to stop at White's motel in Mojave. Edward's Air Force

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<v Speaker 3>base was located nearby, so perhaps Paul met up with

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<v Speaker 3>the CIA contacts at the motel, who subsequently flew him

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<v Speaker 3>out of the country on some sort of secret mission.

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<v Speaker 3>They also may have held on to Paul's Chevrolet until,

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<v Speaker 3>for unknown reasons, they decided to abandon it in Death

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<v Speaker 3>Valley and fabricated cover story about Paul wandering out into

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<v Speaker 3>the desert.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it possible that he needed to disappear that whatever

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<v Speaker 2>assignment he had gone on. I know that sounds crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>but that something like witness protection or changing his identity,

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<v Speaker 2>that something that severe was needed for whatever operation he

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<v Speaker 1>That is a possibility that it could have been something

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<v Speaker 1>where we really need you to serve your country, but

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<v Speaker 1>in order to protect your identity and protect the assignment,

422
00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:29.079
<v Speaker 1>we have to make it look like you went a

423
00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:32.759
<v Speaker 1>wall and disappeared and will abandon your car in the desert.

424
00:23:32.839 --> 00:23:35.279
<v Speaker 1>And I know Jules was talking about the show Linus

425
00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:37.640
<v Speaker 1>having a similar plot line, So does this kind of

426
00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:42.079
<v Speaker 1>sound something like that where they practically destroy someone's reputation

427
00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:43.839
<v Speaker 1>to make it look like they're a deserter, but they

428
00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:46.400
<v Speaker 1>think it's for the greater good because their assignment is

429
00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:47.640
<v Speaker 1>so important.

430
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<v Speaker 3>In that show, the CIA was like, well, if she

431
00:23:50.839 --> 00:23:53.240
<v Speaker 3>lives through this assignment, she can come and work for us.

432
00:23:53.599 --> 00:23:56.799
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, they said, basically, her reputation with the army

433
00:23:56.920 --> 00:23:58.960
<v Speaker 3>will be destroyed forever, but.

434
00:23:58.960 --> 00:24:01.079
<v Speaker 1>If she's successful, then he can work with the CIA.

435
00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:02.920
<v Speaker 1>So it could be the same thing with Paul, where

436
00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:05.319
<v Speaker 1>it's like it's destroying his Army career, but if he's

437
00:24:05.319 --> 00:24:07.720
<v Speaker 1>successful on this mission, he's got a permanent job with

438
00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:10.920
<v Speaker 1>the CIA. It also turned out that there was a

439
00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:13.920
<v Speaker 1>bizarre side story involving a twenty five year old first

440
00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:17.000
<v Speaker 1>lieutenant from four Door named Charles Guests, who was also

441
00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:20.279
<v Speaker 1>a pilot in one of Whipkey's closest friends. They had

442
00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:23.400
<v Speaker 1>both been stationed together at Camp Desert Rock, but while there,

443
00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:26.759
<v Speaker 1>Lieutenant Colonel Lewis claimed he saw Guests get interviewed on

444
00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:29.319
<v Speaker 1>at least one occasion by the same two men who

445
00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:32.839
<v Speaker 1>frequently converse with Whipkey. On the morning of July to

446
00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:36.400
<v Speaker 1>twenty second, nineteen fifty eight, just twelve days after Whipkey

447
00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:40.079
<v Speaker 1>originally went missing, Guest took off from Bishop, California in

448
00:24:40.119 --> 00:24:43.440
<v Speaker 1>an L nineteen reconnaissance plane in order to perform a

449
00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:46.480
<v Speaker 1>topographic survey for the Army. He was supposed to land

450
00:24:46.519 --> 00:24:49.799
<v Speaker 1>in Winnemucca, Nevada, but the plane never arrived and an

451
00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:53.359
<v Speaker 1>extensive search failed to turn up any trace of them. However,

452
00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:56.440
<v Speaker 1>in September of nineteen fifty nine, a pair of deer

453
00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:59.319
<v Speaker 1>hunters spotted wreckage from a crashed plane on the west

454
00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:03.440
<v Speaker 1>slope of wh Mountain in Inyo National Forest, located about

455
00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:07.440
<v Speaker 1>thirty five miles northeast of Bishop Skeletal remains, which were

456
00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:11.519
<v Speaker 1>identified as belonging to guests were found nearby. On the surface,

457
00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:14.759
<v Speaker 1>this seemed like a tragic accident, but there was one problem.

458
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:18.759
<v Speaker 1>The plane's wreckage apparently had a different serial number than

459
00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:21.960
<v Speaker 1>the plane guests had taken off. In the fact that

460
00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:25.079
<v Speaker 1>Guess and Whipkey had both been involved in atomic testing

461
00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:27.880
<v Speaker 1>at Camp Desert Rock and happened to go missing less

462
00:25:27.880 --> 00:25:30.960
<v Speaker 1>than two weeks apart led to speculation that there might

463
00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:32.960
<v Speaker 1>be a connection between the two cases.

464
00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:37.799
<v Speaker 2>That whole scenario doesn't even sound plausible, but you would

465
00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:41.839
<v Speaker 2>have this young military man take off to do a

466
00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:47.960
<v Speaker 2>geographical assessment and then he just crashes. And when you

467
00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:51.799
<v Speaker 2>have this crash discovered, it's a different plane than the

468
00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:54.440
<v Speaker 2>one he took off in the serial number is completely different.

469
00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:57.880
<v Speaker 2>And when you go back, he's exposed to these same

470
00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:02.279
<v Speaker 2>two men who say they're from the CIA and they're

471
00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:06.880
<v Speaker 2>here to interview these soldiers, and both men go missing

472
00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:11.759
<v Speaker 2>and or end up deceased shortly after. Definitely raises the

473
00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:14.519
<v Speaker 2>hair on your neck and makes you say, what happened?

474
00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:17.359
<v Speaker 2>Who were these men? What were these kids involved? And

475
00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:20.640
<v Speaker 2>they were just young soldiers at the time, and did

476
00:26:20.680 --> 00:26:23.480
<v Speaker 2>it lead to death or are these cover ups because

477
00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:26.440
<v Speaker 2>these two men proved to be soldiers that could handle

478
00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:30.319
<v Speaker 2>a bigger operation. It's very, very, very bizarre, and coincidence

479
00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:34.480
<v Speaker 2>is possible, but it also does open up this door

480
00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:37.680
<v Speaker 2>to say, hey, it sounds crazy, but could both men

481
00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:40.960
<v Speaker 2>be involved in a disappearance or death?

482
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<v Speaker 1>And the weird thing about Guess is that there's very

483
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:46.200
<v Speaker 1>little information about his death other than a brief mention

484
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:49.200
<v Speaker 1>on the Unsolved Mystery segment. But I'd be very curious

485
00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:52.039
<v Speaker 1>to find out how they identify these remains because this

486
00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:55.839
<v Speaker 1>is the nineteen fifties and they wouldn't have done DNA testing.

487
00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:58.519
<v Speaker 1>It's not clear if they found his teeth and identified

488
00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:01.519
<v Speaker 1>them by a dental records. So theoretically, if they wanted

489
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:03.680
<v Speaker 1>to fake his death, they could just like say, hey,

490
00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:06.599
<v Speaker 1>he crashed into this forest and died in a plane

491
00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:09.519
<v Speaker 1>crash and we found these remains. But if they wanted

492
00:27:09.559 --> 00:27:11.759
<v Speaker 1>to stage it, they could just toss out some parts

493
00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:13.759
<v Speaker 1>with a different serial number in order to fake the

494
00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:14.240
<v Speaker 1>whole thing.

495
00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:16.720
<v Speaker 3>It seems like a lot of effort to go to

496
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:20.599
<v Speaker 3>to like plant somebody else's remains and try to fake

497
00:27:20.680 --> 00:27:22.799
<v Speaker 3>his death like that when he'd been missing for so

498
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:25.599
<v Speaker 3>many years and the chances of them actually recovering the

499
00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:28.799
<v Speaker 3>plane seemed like they were slim to none. It just

500
00:27:28.839 --> 00:27:31.680
<v Speaker 3>seems like there is a possibility that maybe there was

501
00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:34.400
<v Speaker 3>an oversight and it was like was it a completely

502
00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:37.519
<v Speaker 3>different type of plane or was it just that the

503
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:40.519
<v Speaker 3>serial numbers were different? Like could they have got the

504
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:43.079
<v Speaker 3>serial numbers on the plane that he took off in wrong.

505
00:27:43.599 --> 00:27:45.960
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm thinking as well, is that I don't

506
00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:48.720
<v Speaker 1>see any indication that it was a completely different plane,

507
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:50.839
<v Speaker 1>So it could just be some sort of clerical era

508
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:53.079
<v Speaker 1>where they just wrote down the wrong serial numbers when

509
00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:54.880
<v Speaker 1>he toocked off, and then then when they found the

510
00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:57.559
<v Speaker 1>wreckage they just saw a different number and assumed it

511
00:27:57.640 --> 00:28:01.119
<v Speaker 1>wasn't the same plane. But yeah, it seems like if

512
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:03.400
<v Speaker 1>they just wanted him to disappear, they wouldn't even bother

513
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:06.119
<v Speaker 1>planting the remains or something like that. They would just say, oh,

514
00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:08.880
<v Speaker 1>he crashed and was never found. And it doesn't sound

515
00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:12.119
<v Speaker 1>like Charles's guests had like the same service record as

516
00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Paul Whikey where it would be worth faking his death

517
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:17.440
<v Speaker 1>in order to send him on some sort of secret mission.

518
00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:21.519
<v Speaker 3>And just to confirm, this is around the flight path

519
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:24.720
<v Speaker 3>that he was on originally when he disappeared. Look where

520
00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:25.680
<v Speaker 3>he was found it was.

521
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I think if he was heading to Winnemuck

522
00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:29.960
<v Speaker 1>in Nevada, he would have flown over this area.

523
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:32.880
<v Speaker 3>If he was in like a completely different state or

524
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:35.640
<v Speaker 3>found somewhere totally different, then I would believe that it

525
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:38.039
<v Speaker 3>could have been some secret mission on a different plane.

526
00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:40.839
<v Speaker 3>But because it's the same flight path, I'm more inclined

527
00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:44.720
<v Speaker 3>to think it's a clerical error. For the next two decades,

528
00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:48.200
<v Speaker 3>Karl Whike would fight diligently to uncover the truth about

529
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:51.720
<v Speaker 3>what happened to his brother. In June nineteen seventy seven,

530
00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:55.160
<v Speaker 3>Carl sent a Freedom of Information Act request to the FBI,

531
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:58.759
<v Speaker 3>asking them to turn over all information they had about

532
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:03.799
<v Speaker 3>Paul's disappearance. The following year, the FBI answered Carl and

533
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.359
<v Speaker 3>informed him that they had destroyed fourteen boxes containing field

534
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:10.599
<v Speaker 3>files about the case six months after they received his request.

535
00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:14.000
<v Speaker 3>In spite of this, Carl still managed to accumulate nearly

536
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:18.720
<v Speaker 3>three thousand pages of government documents, affidavits, and transcripts which

537
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:22.519
<v Speaker 3>were related to his brother. He noticed some more odd discrepancies,

538
00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:25.839
<v Speaker 3>such as the fact that the list of Paul's assignments

539
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:28.279
<v Speaker 3>from the Army made no mention of his three month

540
00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:33.000
<v Speaker 3>stint at Camp Desert Rock. Karl also uncovered one document

541
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:35.559
<v Speaker 3>which stated that his brother had once used the alias

542
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:40.400
<v Speaker 3>Paul B. Whipper, though no additional explanation was provided. One

543
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:43.240
<v Speaker 3>of Carl's goals was to change Paul's official status with

544
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:45.839
<v Speaker 3>the Army so that he could no longer be classified

545
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:49.640
<v Speaker 3>as a deserter. Carl's persistence finally paid off in April

546
00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:53.240
<v Speaker 3>of nineteen eighty two, when he successfully lobbied the Army

547
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:56.680
<v Speaker 3>Board of Correction to Military Records to undertake a new

548
00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.839
<v Speaker 3>review of his brother's case. The board held a three

549
00:29:59.880 --> 00:30:02.880
<v Speaker 3>year hearing and concluded there was no evidence to support

550
00:30:02.920 --> 00:30:06.599
<v Speaker 3>Paul's status as a deserter. Their final report stated that

551
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:10.799
<v Speaker 3>his unauthorized absence was excused as unavoidable and that his

552
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:13.559
<v Speaker 3>death was incurred in the line of duty, not due

553
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:17.039
<v Speaker 3>to his own misconduct. As a result, Paul's status was

554
00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:19.960
<v Speaker 3>officially changed. She died in the line of duty, and

555
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:23.680
<v Speaker 3>the Army Adjudged General's Office issued a certificate of honorable

556
00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:24.640
<v Speaker 3>service in his name.

557
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:28.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm wondering if at the time they looked at records

558
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:32.799
<v Speaker 2>that showed his physical health declining, and they had reports

559
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:36.200
<v Speaker 2>where even his commander and things like that were saying, listen,

560
00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:39.559
<v Speaker 2>his mental health is fading. He's not commanding the same,

561
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:43.279
<v Speaker 2>he's not responding the same. His personality has shifted. Remember

562
00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:45.599
<v Speaker 2>they said he was much more kind of inward and

563
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:48.599
<v Speaker 2>anxious and couldn't really lead.

564
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:49.400
<v Speaker 1>The way he had.

565
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:53.240
<v Speaker 2>And so if they know he was in this radiation

566
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:56.759
<v Speaker 2>testing and they know it's having these physical effects, Remember

567
00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.920
<v Speaker 2>they're reviewing this case in the eighties now when they

568
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:02.799
<v Speaker 2>occurred in the fifties, And so I'm wondering if that

569
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:06.359
<v Speaker 2>change in knowledge and what they knew at the time,

570
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:09.160
<v Speaker 2>looking at the totality of the event, if that's why

571
00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:11.400
<v Speaker 2>they changed it. Not that we had anything to do

572
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:15.680
<v Speaker 2>with it, but that obviously he was struggling so significantly

573
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:17.880
<v Speaker 2>that he had to have all of his teeth removed

574
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:21.200
<v Speaker 2>because they were all falling out, and he was losing weight,

575
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:24.559
<v Speaker 2>and he had sores on his skin and moles growing

576
00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:29.720
<v Speaker 2>on his skin that were unexplainable. Clearly, we affected this

577
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:34.319
<v Speaker 2>man significantly. He paid for his service with his life,

578
00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:37.279
<v Speaker 2>the livelihood that he had and so I'm wondering if

579
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:41.839
<v Speaker 2>that alone would allow them to change the classification. Even

580
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:47.599
<v Speaker 2>if they think Paul quote voluntarily left, they would say, hey, well,

581
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:50.680
<v Speaker 2>because what we put him through probably led to that.

582
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Were they really covering their bases there and saying our

583
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:59.640
<v Speaker 2>exposure and what we put him through would have resulted

584
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:01.759
<v Speaker 2>in this for many of people. And therefore in the

585
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:05.160
<v Speaker 2>eighties they say enough's enough. He didn't desert the military.

586
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:08.279
<v Speaker 2>He clearly gave so much that we're going to change

587
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:09.119
<v Speaker 2>his classification.

588
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:11.759
<v Speaker 3>That was exactly my thoughts too.

589
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, would definitely make sense because obviously in the nineteen

590
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:18.960
<v Speaker 1>eighties there was a much better understanding of nuclear testing

591
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:22.079
<v Speaker 1>and atomic radiation and the after effects of it than

592
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:24.160
<v Speaker 1>there was in the fifties, because that was the era

593
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:26.880
<v Speaker 1>where they were still releasing duck and cover videos where

594
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:28.759
<v Speaker 1>they would try to tell people that if you're in

595
00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:31.759
<v Speaker 1>a nuclear exposion, just duck under a desk somewhere and

596
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:34.880
<v Speaker 1>you'll be fine, which is obviously not true. So they

597
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:38.000
<v Speaker 1>were looking at these reports now with more advanced eyes

598
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:40.359
<v Speaker 1>and thinking, wow, we really kind of screwed this guy

599
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:43.200
<v Speaker 1>over by putting him in this testing without a new protection,

600
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:45.680
<v Speaker 1>and they don't want to flat out admit that, but

601
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:48.640
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of the interesting wording the way that they

602
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>said that his absence was unavoidable and his death was

603
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:55.039
<v Speaker 1>incurred in the line of duty, not to his own misconduct,

604
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:58.599
<v Speaker 1>So it's almost like an admission without actually admitting that

605
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:02.240
<v Speaker 1>our nuclear testing cat changes in Paul's behavior and could

606
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:04.759
<v Speaker 1>have led to him driving out into the middle of

607
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:08.000
<v Speaker 1>nowhere and dying. So technically will say that he died

608
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:10.680
<v Speaker 1>in the line of duty without actually admitting it. So,

609
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:12.839
<v Speaker 1>like we said, it is kind of a bittersweet victory

610
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:15.680
<v Speaker 1>for the family because Paul is no longer classified as

611
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:19.440
<v Speaker 1>a deserter, but they still don't exactly have conclusive answers

612
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:24.960
<v Speaker 1>about what actually happened to him and why he's still missing. However,

613
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:27.839
<v Speaker 1>even though the board concluded that Whipley likely died the

614
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:31.000
<v Speaker 1>day after he disappeared from ford Ord, they still never

615
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:34.880
<v Speaker 1>provided any official explanation about what actually happened to him.

616
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:37.960
<v Speaker 1>While their official reporting knowledge that Whipkey had been assigned

617
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:41.119
<v Speaker 1>to Camp Desert Rock in nineteen fifty seven, they denied

618
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:44.200
<v Speaker 1>he was ever involved in atomic testing, even though this

619
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:47.279
<v Speaker 1>duty had been specified on the list of assignments which

620
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:50.759
<v Speaker 1>were accidentally shipped to Whipkey's family with his personal belongings.

621
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:55.279
<v Speaker 1>Lieutenant Colonel Charles Lewis had testified on Whipkey's behalf at

622
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:57.880
<v Speaker 1>the three day hearing, but claimed that he ran into

623
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:01.599
<v Speaker 1>some issues. A short time later an audit from the IRS,

624
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:05.359
<v Speaker 1>Lewis also received a phone call from a man identifying

625
00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:08.320
<v Speaker 1>himself as an agent from the Department of Defense, who

626
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:11.199
<v Speaker 1>asked a number of questions about the Whipkey case, But

627
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:14.719
<v Speaker 1>when Lewis contacted the DoD later on, they maintained that

628
00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:17.440
<v Speaker 1>none of their agents had ever phoned him, so Lewis

629
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:20.559
<v Speaker 1>never found out who the caller really was. This story

630
00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:23.119
<v Speaker 1>would be featured on an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, which

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<v Speaker 1>aired in April of nineteen ninety one and featured interviews

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<v Speaker 1>with Lewis and Carl Whipkey. Carl hoped that someone who

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<v Speaker 1>had been stationed with Paul at Fort Ord might remember

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<v Speaker 1>something and come forward with new information, but this never

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<v Speaker 1>took place, so after more than sixty four years, Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Whipkey is still a missing person, and his disappearance continues

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<v Speaker 1>to remain shrouded in mystery. So I guess you could

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<v Speaker 1>say the path wait Chili.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what we said earlier that this is just bittersweet. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it's changed from a wall which is a disgrace to you,

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<v Speaker 2>missing the line of duty or the acknowledging the significance

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<v Speaker 2>service that Paul gave to the military. But when you

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<v Speaker 2>start looking at this idea that you know you changed it,

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<v Speaker 2>but we still have no explanation for what happened. They

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<v Speaker 2>never recovered a body. Where is he? It really does

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<v Speaker 2>leave those open ended questions, just like a missing child

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<v Speaker 2>would do, or a missing family member under any other circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he still alive? You know, did mental health cause

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<v Speaker 2>him to wander off, but that he didn't know where

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<v Speaker 2>he was or who he was, or you know, doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>understand who is what his identity is at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>or did he go on a CIA mission and had

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<v Speaker 2>to change his name and go into witness protection. Your

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<v Speaker 2>mind would wander so much that it would be devastating

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<v Speaker 2>to say, what if he's still alive and he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>call me. What if he missed our parents' funerals or

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<v Speaker 2>birthdays or Christmas or the birth of my child and

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<v Speaker 2>he's alive somewhere, and what if he's dead and alone

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<v Speaker 2>and no one ever found him. So to me, this

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<v Speaker 2>change of classification, it's incredible in the fact that he's

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<v Speaker 2>no longer disgraced our military because he gave his life

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<v Speaker 2>for his service. He fought to become a pilot, he

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<v Speaker 2>fought to become a leader in his squadron, and things

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<v Speaker 2>like that, and so you clearly know the military was

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<v Speaker 2>important to him and he really did get exposed to

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<v Speaker 2>things that why they denied it, I don't know why

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't in his records, I don't know. But everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>aware that he served time with these nuclear testing sites

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<v Speaker 2>and he paid for it with his physical health. So

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<v Speaker 2>when you look at it, I want to know where

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<v Speaker 2>he is. You want the family to have that body

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<v Speaker 2>to lay at rest. You want them to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to say, this is exactly what happened to him. We

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<v Speaker 2>know for a fact, you know he's deceased or he's alive,

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<v Speaker 2>And unfortunately they're just not going to get that. This

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<v Speaker 2>was in the fifties, in the eighties they made significant progress,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're talking about twenty twenty four now in a case,

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<v Speaker 2>like Robin said, didn't receive a lot of attention. It's

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<v Speaker 2>really frustrating as much as it's rewarding that they changed

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<v Speaker 2>the status, it's frustrating.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And even though un saw mysteries generally would feature

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<v Speaker 1>missing persons cases from so many decades earlier, I know

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<v Speaker 1>that in nineteen ninety one there was still a chance

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<v Speaker 1>that someone who knew Paul or have been serving with

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<v Speaker 1>him might still be alive and could come forward with

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<v Speaker 1>new information that offered insight into what happened to him.

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<v Speaker 1>But that never happened, and I think the chances of

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who knew Paul being still alive in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four are very remote, So I don't know if his

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<v Speaker 1>family will ever receive conclusive answers, But it is frustrating

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<v Speaker 1>because there are signs that he could have had a

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<v Speaker 1>mental breakdown and just drove out into Death Valley and

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<v Speaker 1>wandered off and died of the severe heat. But he

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<v Speaker 1>also checked into a motel when he left the base,

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<v Speaker 1>so it seemed like he had some sort of purpose,

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<v Speaker 1>that he had a reason for being there. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>a good reason to think that the army knew an

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<v Speaker 1>awful lot, knew a lot more than they were letting on,

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<v Speaker 1>and just refused to share with Paul's family. And I

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<v Speaker 1>remember Carl Whipkey's on Saw Mysteries interview. He said that

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<v Speaker 1>I will if we find out that Paul Lot died

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<v Speaker 1>in the line of duty while serving his country on

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of secret mission. That's okay, Well, accept that

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<v Speaker 1>we like the idea of knowing that Paul died a

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<v Speaker 1>hero like helping his country, but to not know is

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<v Speaker 1>just so frustrating. And even if they don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>tell us the details, at least confirm if he's dead

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<v Speaker 1>or alive. So this would be a good time to

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<v Speaker 1>bring an end to part one. So join us next

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<v Speaker 1>week as we present part two of our series about

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<v Speaker 1>the disappearance of Paul Whipkey.

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<v Speaker 4>Robin, do you want to tell us a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>about the Trail Went Cold Patreon?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, The Trail Cold Patreon has been around for three

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<v Speaker 1>years now, and we offer these standard bonus features like

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<v Speaker 1>early ad free episodes, and I also send out stickers

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<v Speaker 1>the cases featured in this episode. And incidentally, the very

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<v Speaker 1>first episode that I did a commentary track over was

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<v Speaker 1>the episode featuring this case. So if you want to

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<v Speaker 4>So I want to let you know a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>about the Jewels and Nashty patreons. So there's early ad

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<v Speaker 4>So we hope you'll check out those patreons.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll link them in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to thank you all for listening, and

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<v Speaker 1>You can email us at the Pathwentchili at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>You can reach us on Twitter at the Pathwink. So

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<v Speaker 1>until next time, be sure to bundle up because cold

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<v Speaker 1>trails and chili pass call for warm clothing.

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<v Speaker 3>Music by Paul Rich from the podcast Cold Callers Comedy
